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Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6240 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:12:26 PM »

finally, a Collison sighting...but they put Fisher in to balance it out

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6241 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:12:28 PM »

Finally bosh rebounding.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6242 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:12:57 PM »

still, I expect a Thunder run now

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6243 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:23:44 PM »

pilonv1 · « **Reply #6244 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:24:12 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on June 14, 2012, 09:14:06 PM

Miami had the lead in game 1 too. Not concerned.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6245 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:25:20 PM »

Battier!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6246 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:25:31 PM »

Durant!

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6247 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:30:41 PM »

If bosh takes another three in this series I'm gonna punch somebody.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6248 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:33:24 PM »

you think Westbrook is having a terrible game but he's making a TON of layups

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6249 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:33:36 PM »

Wtf are you doing on offense Lebron.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #6250 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:33:42 PM »

3pt game. Unreal

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6251 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:34:16 PM »

Sure, LeBron, you def. want Battier driving to the hoop instead of you there

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6252 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:34:35 PM »

Heat tight as a drum here

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #6253 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:41:33 PM »

Nice comeback by the Thunder, but that's probably gonna be the game.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6254 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:42:01 PM »

Looking like Heat have this one. Huge win for Miami but its not like Okc is scared of them or anything.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6255 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:42:48 PM »

Yep, and LeBron, Wade and Bosh all did their bit so haters can't hate.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6256 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:43:41 PM »

Miami actually has a chance to close it out at home, with 3 straight home games coming. Not gonna happen of course but it shows how huge the game 2 is in the Finals.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #6257 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:44:34 PM »

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6258 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:45:00 PM »

Worst coached team in the league. Unreal.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6259 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:45:27 PM »

WHOA WHUT THE FUCK

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #6260 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:45:34 PM »

WHAT THE WHAT

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6261 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:46:05 PM »

oh my fucking GOD is this team Fun

Oklahoma Funder total

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #6262 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:47:39 PM »

Nice elbow by Lebron to win the game.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6263 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:48:02 PM »

Boneheaded plays like that at the end of game reflect lazy coaching discipline. heat lucky to escape here.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6264 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:49:42 PM »

Heat win but with brown trousers

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6265 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:53:35 PM »

Two blatant no calls for LeBron, that was pathetic. OKC certainly put themselves in a shitty position due to the slow start, but LeBron clearly got away with two fouls there.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #6266 on:** June 14, 2012, 11:59:56 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 11:53:35 PM

Two blatant no calls for LeBron, that was pathetic. OKC certainly put themselves in a shitty position due to the slow start, but LeBron clearly got away with two fouls there.

Welcome to the NBA, where a "star" based league certainly has no problems I can think of!

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Mandark · « **Reply #6267 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:06:25 AM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 14, 2012, 11:59:56 PM

I don't regularly watch the nba

Oh, I could already tell that from your post.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6268 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:12:25 AM »

In what fantasy world is Kevin Durant not a star

Robo · « **Reply #6269 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:15:09 AM »

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/14698/dan-crawford-the-heat-and-the-1-9-percent

"In the nine postseasons since 2004 (the “Dwyane Wade era”), the Heat are 13-3 in playoff games reffed by Dan Crawford and 48-40 in all other playoff games in that span. ... Adding up their point spread-based win probabilities across all 16 games, the Heat should have won about nine games on average. Even more, given the point-spread based probability of winning each game, the chance that Miami would go 13-3 or better in those 16 games is 1.9%."

Picture millions of tinfoil Hans heads baking in the sun.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #6270 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:22:35 AM »

I hope to god laker fans have posted that at gaf

Mandark · « **Reply #6271 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:27:35 AM »

The Lakers fans I know irl were all absolutely convinced that they were the victims of biased officiating.

As you can imagine, they weren't able to win a lot of sympathy with that.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #6272 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:36:23 AM »

Fucking lol

Lotta people on twitter thinking Lebron fouled that last Durante shot. Seemed like tight D to me though

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6273 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:39:42 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 15, 2012, 12:36:23 AM

Fucking lol

Lotta people on twitter thinking Lebron fouled that last Durante shot. Seemed like tight D to me though

His arm was grappling Durant's arm. And then he founded Westbrook during the rebound...

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #6274 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:42:46 AM »

Haven't gotten a good look since I got home. Seemed like a really well officiated game for the most part

etiolate · « **Reply #6275 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:57:06 AM »

seems I was right to bailout on the playoffs

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6276 on:** June 15, 2012, 08:55:05 AM »

no, still wrong - this game was won in the 1st quarter anyway (OKC tied or won every other quarter but never lead). Durant got fouled by LeBron but hey, he should have fouled out himself before that if they had been calling it tight. In general this is not going to be a tightly-called series like Boston-Heat because it'll be up and down, fast-moving basketball.

Anyway, what's the conspiracy this time? Stern wants Miami to win, after letting them lose to Dallas last year....? I just don't get it.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #6277 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:07:09 PM »

why watch basketball at all jesus christ shut up

benjipwns · « **Reply #6278 on:** June 15, 2012, 12:15:25 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 08:55:05 AM

In general this is not going to be a tightly-called series like Boston-Heat because it'll be up and down, fast-moving basketball.

Well, until the fourth when the Heat seize up, LeBron camps out by the half court line, and they try to run their "offense" off an isolation with seven seconds to go on the clock.

Last game made me semi-rage over LeBron's backing up to the half-court line on every possession. He'll get the ball inside the three point line, and back out to the logo at center court to size up his man. It's insufferable. If he doesn't do that, it doesn't change the defense he faces in anyway because he's the most unstoppable player in the league in terms of speed, size and ability to drive. All he's doing is adding two steps he has to take, and giving the defense more time to collapse on him.

I really don't know who to blame over not breaking him of this. I consider it worse than any of the concerns over whether he has a post game.

Game Six when he terrorized Boston he did none of this, he operated far closer in and they couldn't do anything.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6279 on:** June 15, 2012, 02:49:22 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 12:15:25 PM

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 08:55:05 AM
In general this is not going to be a tightly-called series like Boston-Heat because it'll be up and down, fast-moving basketball.
Well, until the fourth when the Heat seize up, LeBron camps out by the half court line, and they try to run their "offense" off an isolation with seven seconds to go on the clock.

Last game made me semi-rage over LeBron's backing up to the half-court line on every possession. He'll get the ball inside the three point line, and back out to the logo at center court to size up his man. It's insufferable. If he doesn't do that, it doesn't change the defense he faces in anyway because he's the most unstoppable player in the league in terms of speed, size and ability to drive. All he's doing is adding two steps he has to take, and giving the defense more time to collapse on him.

I really don't know who to blame over not breaking him of this. I consider it worse than any of the concerns over whether he has a post game.

Game Six when he terrorized Boston he did none of this, he operated far closer in and they couldn't do anything.

It bothers me also. It's like running a prevent defense in football or something. I get that they were trying to run the game clock but it was clearly hampering their efforts to get a good shoot. Miami is often very slow to get into what passes as their offense sets because Lebron and Wade are often doing crossovers or sizing up their guys one on one instead of passing the ball around.

On another note, I'm not sure where Battier found his shot since he didn't have it all season but I hope it stays for this finals.

To give Spolestra some credit (gasp) I also like how he is barely playing Joel Anthony. He is too much of an offensive liability.

benjipwns · « **Reply #6280 on:** June 15, 2012, 03:18:57 PM »

The LeBron-Wade pick and roll is one of the best plays in the league, and they barely run it. They were running it and then Durant had five fouls and they STOPPED RUNNING IT.

I really don't get this team at all.

Why does Bosh take threes?

Why don't they run?

Why do they stand around so much?

Why do they collapse to the paint when they have no size?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6281 on:** June 15, 2012, 03:22:43 PM »

Hey I've watched a lot of Heat basketball over the last 2 seasons and think these thoughts every game. Which is why I always harp on the idea that they need a new coach. The fact that they reached the finals again regardless of the outcome almost ensures Spolestra will stay unfortunately. Can you imagine someone like Rick Carlise coaching this team and how much better they would be.

They are one of the most frustrating teams to watch win or lose because you see all the flaws despite the talent. You don't even have to be a basketball savant to see the issues.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6282 on:** June 15, 2012, 09:12:42 PM »

SVG would do a lot of interesting things too, but that ain't happening

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6283 on:** June 15, 2012, 10:35:52 PM »

Watched the Dream Team TV special. It was good. It was basically a love letter to that era and those guys but even still certain deeper insight can be drawn into some of those guys and their relationships.

And better I think those guys come of exactly as they are both flaws and good qualities.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6284 on:** June 15, 2012, 10:56:03 PM »

Yeah, loved it. Especially the segment on the legendary MJ vs Magic game.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6285 on:** June 16, 2012, 01:11:36 AM »

For some reason I really liked Pippen in it. For a guy that was mostly boring during his playing career he came off as the most honest to me.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6286 on:** June 16, 2012, 01:44:54 AM »

Can't wait to watch it. Naturally most of the talk around here has been in relation to the MJ v Isaiah Thomas feud that ultimately led to him being left off the team. MJ has never been popular in Detroit but that was probably the last nail in the coffin.

Likewise, the Magic v Thomas involvement. At one point they were good friends, with Magic even attending Thomas' basketball camps in Detroit. That changed shortly after Detroit won their first title and only got worse over the following years. Thomas allegedly spread rumors about Magic being gay, and MJ later used that to also get Magic to essentially veto Thomas from being on the Dream Team.

Interestingly, Magic had been dogged by gay rumors for awhile, going back to his time at MSU. I find it hard to believe his sexuality was that big of a mystery given how blatant some of his escapades were.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6287 on:** June 16, 2012, 04:48:34 AM »

While MJ didn't cop to actually explicitly saying he wouldn't sign up until Isaiah was not to be asked on the team, you can sure read between the lines and see that , he waited until that was the case before he did.

One thing that really struck me was DAVID ROBINSON talking about what a 'freak of nature' MJ was in those days. By any standard, Robinson himself is surely one of the most amazing specimens sports has ever seen.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6288 on:** June 16, 2012, 05:05:44 AM »

Even Chuck Daley didn't go to bad for Isaiah. MJ was calling the shots and ultimately would get whatever he wanted. From a business perspective it was the right thing to do given the situation, but it was still shitty. Then again, who do you replace to put him on the team? I haven't seen the doc yet, but I've heard Stockton was the last replacement basically

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6289 on:** June 16, 2012, 12:22:51 PM »

On a side note about the finals what's really noticeable is the very minor differences in quality of play between the big two on both sides.

Lebron and Durant's per for the playoffs are 30.93 - 28.83

And Westbrook has now slightly outplayed Wade for the playoffs 22.80 to 22.11.

I don't think most people started this playoffs with the idea that Westbrook is a better player than Wade.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6290 on:** June 16, 2012, 01:26:40 PM »

So Westbrook is better than Wade because his PER is less than 1% higher? ok

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #6291 on:** June 16, 2012, 02:34:16 PM »

Worstbrick is painful to watch. At least Wade has a great jump shot

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6292 on:** June 17, 2012, 12:18:11 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2012, 01:26:40 PM

So Westbrook is better than Wade because his PER is less than 1% higher? ok

I was more making the point that wade has had a relatively subpar playoffs for him and for arguably one of the poorer playoff showings of his career. Not that per is the only stat that matters.

but yeah if you want to be honest westbrook has played about as well as wade over the course of this playoffs as wade has had some absolute dog games and consistently has been average in the first half of nearly every game including some lazy defense at times or not getting back to his man at all. Which is still not the same as saying westbrook is as skilled as wade or wade has a higher top end when he puts it all together.

Mandark · « **Reply #6293 on:** June 17, 2012, 12:40:11 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 16, 2012, 02:34:16 PM

Worstbrick is painful to watch. At least Wade has a great jump shot

lolwut

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6294 on:** June 17, 2012, 12:41:09 AM »

Wade has some of the most hair brained turnovers in games. Often times a play maker will turn the ball over trying to force a play. He just does the craziest, laziest looking stuff and it's just baffling.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6295 on:** June 17, 2012, 01:22:24 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 16, 2012, 02:34:16 PM

Worstbrick is painful to watch. At least Wade has a great jump shot

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6296 on:** June 17, 2012, 05:59:59 AM »

BrandNew watches like 5 mins of the games in between True Blood and Game of Thrones I think

Westbrook is easily a top 10 player and has a great jump shot up to 15 feet. He made a few bad decisions but he's still a major, major asset and he'll show that for the rest of the series, I guarantee.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #6297 on:** June 17, 2012, 03:20:06 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 05:59:59 AM

BrandNew watches like 5 mins of the games in between True Blood and Game of Thrones I think

Westbrook is easily a top 10 player and has a great jump shot up to 15 feet. He made a few bad decisions but he's still a major, major asset and he'll show that for the rest of the series, I guarantee.

lies sir! I watched the entire series between Boston and Miami, and both finals games from start to finish.

And I don't know, Westbrook's perimeter shot beyond that range have been mostly bricks that I've seen so far this post season. The reason I said that about Wade is that I think his fadeaway is one of the better ones I've seen in the league.

Meh. y'all hatin'

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6298 on:** June 17, 2012, 03:20:51 PM »

Mandark · « **Reply #6299 on:** June 17, 2012, 03:56:12 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on June 16, 2012, 02:34:16 PM

Worstbrick

Quote from: BrandNew on June 17, 2012, 03:20:06 PM

y'all hatin'

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