Global social networks should not be owned by individuals, corporations or governments.So who are you imagining owning them?
Can't abandon it if you've never bothered to engage with it.
Thankfully there is an open source alternative: Mastodon
Some more info regarding Mastodon:
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/technology/mastodon-the-open-source-alternative-to-twitter-now-has-an-official-android-app-8383101.html
It's still rather small compared to Twitter (4.4 million users versus Twitter's 217 million), but I assume Twitters new ownership may cause a few people to give it a try.
Thankfully there is an open source alternative: Mastodon
:crowdlaff :girlaff
Discord is trending right now
Abandon centralised social media platforms.
It's time to go back to message boards.
Imagine letting billionaires/China/"the algorithm" police what you can and can't post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
yr welcome
https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1518681666633486341
Mastodon is actually good in concept in terms of protecting free speech because it's decentralizedI've been reading this is bad because it doesn't allow Mutual Aid Requests and things like #TransCrowFund to trend meaning that marginalized people will not even be able to live now that Musk has destroyed Twitter.
when Gab went to Mastodon there was nothing anyone could do to stop them, other than some of the bigger nodes blocking them to try to cordon them off, because anyone can spin up their own server and join the fediverse
it's social media where you can only get banned from your chosen entry node and its particular moderators
if it started seeing more broad adoption you would see all kinds of smaller narrow interest nodes of varying purposes and beliefs, there'd be the Marvel fan instance and the Star Wars fan instance and the Joe Rogan fan instance, not unlike subreddits, but without admins over all
:rejoice
I've come to the conclusion social media is a net loss for humanity and we're better off without it. :donot :whatisthis
Mar 2022 Summary
Tweets
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Profile visits
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Mentions
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There is no benefit in allowing destructive lies to be repeated on a large stage over and over again. This just allows them to infect more minds which in turn paves the way for a fascist takeover. And fascists invariably do away with your freedom of speech completely the first chance they get, because it's the only way they can retain control.It's simple. We, uh,
Democracy and uncontested lies can't coexist, as Trumpism should have made abundantly clear to anyone paying attention.
Half of forum content is basically posting tweets you can't escape it
Why would I? Twitter is a cesspool. That doesn't mean I don't see its importance as a global tool of communication that is used by most politicians/states/companies/organizations/institutions/scientists/celebrities and so on. It's practically impossible to avoid if you read the news.
Half of forum content is basically posting tweets you can't escape it
I just don’t understand your dog in this fight.
Yeah, imagine if someone were to tweet any criticism of an invasion without Congressional approval of a sovereign nation in order to permanently occupy their natural resources. :existentialI just don’t understand your dog in this fight.
Too much right-wing authoritarianism/reality denial in this world as it is. No need to enable any more of it to further hasten the destruction of our habitat, curtail freedom and erode democracy.
Has anyone posted this thread in the shitbin thread? This seems like something that belongs there.You sound like a butthurt freeze peach chud angry that everyone is leaving Muskrat's Folly.
My butt hurts, but it's probably the hemorrhoids.Has anyone posted this thread in the shitbin thread? This seems like something that belongs there.You sound like a butthurt freeze peach chud angry that everyone is leaving Muskrat's Folly.
The world is how you make it.
By pretending that lies are a valid opinion (the other side of reality and just as acceptable), the American media enabled Trump and everything that follows. Reality does not have two sides.
The world is how you make it.
this is at odds:QuoteBy pretending that lies are a valid opinion (the other side of reality and just as acceptable), the American media enabled Trump and everything that follows. Reality does not have two sides.
either the world is what it is and facts are unchanging regardless of what we want, or our desires are able to shape reality and change what is true
https://twitter.com/joinmastodon/status/1519157267857293312 (https://twitter.com/joinmastodon/status/1519157267857293312)
Mastodon seems to be talked about now more than ever before.
https://www.engadget.com/twitter-alternative-mastodon-open-source-021001965.html (https://www.engadget.com/twitter-alternative-mastodon-open-source-021001965.html)
And probably at least half of that 42k are still on Twitter.This reminds me of Google talking about signups to Google+
https://twitter.com/joinmastodon/status/1519157267857293312 (https://twitter.com/joinmastodon/status/1519157267857293312)
Mastodon seems to be talked about now more than ever before.
https://www.engadget.com/twitter-alternative-mastodon-open-source-021001965.html (https://www.engadget.com/twitter-alternative-mastodon-open-source-021001965.html)And probably at least half of that 42k are still on Twitter.This reminds me of Google talking about signups to Google+
Everyone still remained on Facebook and just hedged their bets.
We know how that turned out.
The world is how you make it.
this is at odds:QuoteBy pretending that lies are a valid opinion (the other side of reality and just as acceptable), the American media enabled Trump and everything that follows. Reality does not have two sides.
either the world is what it is and facts are unchanging regardless of what we want, or our desires are able to shape reality and change what is true
Our world is what we make of it. While we cannot change the nature of reality, we obviously have the ability to change our world. We can either make it a great place and live in harmony with nature and each other, or we can allow poison to flow (literally and figuratively) and make the world (more) poisonous.
Which is what is about to happen to Twitter thanks to an obscene manchild who couldn't take criticism.
I just think it's silly to frame this as "this is obvious bad thing done by obvious bad man which will have obvious bad consequences"lmao dudes will literally "both sides" capitalism instead of just ending it and finally liberating people to have true free speech and democracy
everything will have consequences which some rationalize as good and others rationalize as bad, and sometimes they're both a bit wrong in the grand scheme
either the world is what it is and facts are unchanging regardless of what we want, or our desires are able to shape reality and change what is true
man if musk gets rid of that stupid pop up about joining he will have won.
man if musk gets rid of that stupid pop up about joining he will have won.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/breakthrough-twitter-logi/ohhifopcgokjpbnppnmjbdnjnfcfnlep
https://twitter.com/cabot_phillips/status/1518790478589841408
:hmm
Seeing journalists, mostly lib ones in this case, freak out because they realized hey maybe building your brand entirely around a for-profit social network isn't the best strategy has been schadenfreude-tastic.
Hey idiots, maybe if the news didn't constantly shove Twitter in our faces maybe it wouldn't have as much sway over society. :thinking
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519179787163652099
Do I get unsuspended then?
OK ?
Seems a little weird to disparage the company you just bought on the basis of an obscure, mysterious metric that have a couple of really mundane common sense explanations.
Like Truth being still in launch and early adoption mode versus a years old app that may be even pre-installed on a non trivial number of phones.
So should Twitter be governed like a conventional public company, with a board of directors focused primarily on reaping the greatest amount of money possible for shareholders, with little regard to the interests of other groups?
In the eyes of some influential business and legal experts, the answer is no. The company’s directors should have also evaluated the qualifications of Mr. Musk to serve as a responsible steward for a vital public communications channel — and, based on the public comments made by Twitter’s board of directors, there is no evidence that it did so.
Bret Taylor, Twitter’s chairman, hewed closely to that doctrine on Monday when he said that the board had evaluated Mr. Musk’s offer by focusing on “value, certainty and financing” and that the deal would deliver a “substantial cash premium.”
He might as well have been talking about a tool-and-die manufacturer.
Mr. Musk has said he isn’t buying Twitter to make money (even as he claims that he has plans to “unlock” the company’s potential). That is arguably cause for concern. Public shareholders, like any other owner seeking to maximize profits, have a financial incentive to attract and maintain the broadest number of users. That means management needs to bar extremists, in order to avoid offending or driving away many more users, while seeking to prohibit as few others as possible, in order to increase the platform’s value to advertisers.
Since his takeover bid became public earlier this month, Mr. Musk has been talking up his plans to promote Twitter as a bastion of free speech. On Monday, he said he hoped that “even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means.”
While Mr. Musk’s public comments so far have been soothing to champions of free expression, especially those on the right who claim that Big Tech has silenced conservative viewpoints, there’s no guarantee that Mr. Musk will continue to espouse those broad-minded views once he’s in control.
I wish nintex was here to grace us with his take on this :fbmIt's actually pretty simple.
:lucasIt's like being a former crack addict and the Easter Psaki and Joe Biden are handing out free crack pipes on every block
Damn. If Musk buying Twitter can bring back Nintex, maybe he really can resurrect the MiiVerse
Furthermore, the EU just passed the Digital Markets Act and the Digital Services Act, which will of course apply to Muskrat's Twitter, too.In the end member states still need to set up government bodies and regulators to uphold these laws and pass them in their parliaments. Not to mention this act lines up with much of what Elon Musk wants:
the possibility to challenge platforms' content moderation decisions and seek redress, either via an out-of-court dispute mechanism or judicial redress;i.e. no more shadow banning
transparency measures for online platforms on a variety of issues, including on the algorithms used for recommending content or products to users;he wants to open source the algorithm.
New safeguards for the protection of minors and limits on the use of sensitive personal data for targeted advertising.he wants to reduce the advertising
Considering Muskrat has promised to end anonymity on Twitter, at least European "conservatives" are going to start having a lot of fun with local law enforcement. That is, unless they continue to censor themselves.
it doesn't make a whole lot of sense as even elon would see the value in bot-based posting when it's harmless or entertaining, like an AI generating goofy polls
https://twitter.com/WYR_bot/status/1519040337368555520
https://twitter.com/WYR_bot/status/1518903949645987840
or informative bots that automatically create tweets based on other feeds or data elsewhere
as he seems to revel in nerd things I don't see him ending the nerd fun of useful bots by forcing literally every user to tie themselves to a living being
it sounds like specifically he wants to get rid of artificially inflated follower counts or the more insidious/subversive legions of bots
He wants to ban the ElonJet bot without looking like he wants to ban the ElonJet bot
:curious
Quite interesting. The day before yesterday Muskrat flew 296 miles in his private jet, from Austin to Brownsville.Imagine thinking Musk is the true enemy of the environment...
Flight Fuel Info
~ 371 gallons (1686 liters).
~ 2,483 pds (1,126 kg) of jet fuel used.
~ $2,298 cost of fuel.
~ 4 tons of CO2 emissions.
Yeah, that man truly cares about the environment.
Insightful article, good summary:lol at thinking this willfully ignorant gibberish is "insightful"
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/26/business/twitter-elon-musk-board.htmlspoiler (click to show/hide)
Elon Musk to Buy Twitter
Common sense
Selling Twitter to Elon Musk Is Good for Investors. What About the Public?
The company’s decision to sell seems to have been based purely on the financials, with little if any regard for other stakeholders.
By James B. Stewart
April 26, 2022
Twitter is “the digital town square, where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated,” a triumphant Elon Musk proclaimed in announcing his deal to buy the social media platform.
In other words, Twitter is no ordinary corporation. It serves as something akin to a public utility, a unique global means of communication.
So should Twitter be governed like a conventional public company, with a board of directors focused primarily on reaping the greatest amount of money possible for shareholders, with little regard to the interests of other groups?
In the eyes of some influential business and legal experts, the answer is no. The company’s directors should have also evaluated the qualifications of Mr. Musk to serve as a responsible steward for a vital public communications channel — and, based on the public comments made by Twitter’s board of directors, there is no evidence that it did so.
“The board should have considered the interest of stakeholders like employees and users in evaluating the long-term value of the company,” said Lenore Palladino, associate professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and a fellow at the progressive Roosevelt Institute in New York.
Mr. Musk is a polarizing figure. He is a world-changing entrepreneur, responsible for companies, like PayPal and Tesla, that have revolutionized enormous industries. He has used his considerable influence — he has 85 million Twitter followers — to inveigh against what he sees as a censorious liberal culture in technology and media.
He is also at times reckless and capricious — traits that have landed him in trouble with federal regulators and on the receiving end of a defamation lawsuit, among other troubles. Just last week, he mocked Bill Gates’s beer belly after the Microsoft co-founder was said to have bet against Tesla’s stock price.
The question is whether any of that actually or should have factored into the decision by Twitter’s board of directors to sell the company to Mr. Musk.
In recent decades American corporations and their boards have operated under a legal doctrine known as “shareholder primacy,” which posits that corporate boards should focus on a single goal, which is maximizing returns to shareholders.
Bret Taylor, Twitter’s chairman, hewed closely to that doctrine on Monday when he said that the board had evaluated Mr. Musk’s offer by focusing on “value, certainty and financing” and that the deal would deliver a “substantial cash premium.”
He might as well have been talking about a tool-and-die manufacturer.
There wasn’t even lip service paid to Twitter’s other stakeholders — its users, employees and advertisers, to name a few — or its profound importance to public discourse. It’s unclear whether the board members, in what appears to have been a whirlwind weekend of deliberations, even touched on these topics.
Under current law, mostly established by Delaware courts, boards have “the discretion but not the obligation” to consider the interests of people other than their investors, said Jill Fisch, a professor of business law at the University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School. But few, if any, have exercised that discretion, she said.
In recent years, this shareholder primacy model has come under attack from critics who contend it has enriched shareholders at the expense of just about everything and everyone else: workers, customers, innovation, the planet.
“Corporate leaders and practitioners have been increasingly pledging to pay close attention to the interests of stakeholders, such as customers or society in the case of Twitter, and not only shareholders,” said Lucian Bebchuk, a professor at Harvard Law School. Even so, a study of more than 100 recent $1 billion-plus deals that Mr. Bebchuk recently completed found that there had been little impact, with “large gains” for shareholders and corporate leaders and little or nothing for other constituencies.
The Twitter situation shows how “we need to fundamentally change the approach to corporate governance,” said Ms. Palladino, the Massachusetts professor.
Mr. Musk has said he isn’t buying Twitter to make money (even as he claims that he has plans to “unlock” the company’s potential). That is arguably cause for concern. Public shareholders, like any other owner seeking to maximize profits, have a financial incentive to attract and maintain the broadest number of users. That means management needs to bar extremists, in order to avoid offending or driving away many more users, while seeking to prohibit as few others as possible, in order to increase the platform’s value to advertisers.
On the other hand, it leaves the company’s management hostage to the whims of Wall Street, whose interests may not be well aligned with those of the broader public.
Since his takeover bid became public earlier this month, Mr. Musk has been talking up his plans to promote Twitter as a bastion of free speech. On Monday, he said he hoped that “even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means.”
While Mr. Musk’s public comments so far have been soothing to champions of free expression, especially those on the right who claim that Big Tech has silenced conservative viewpoints, there’s no guarantee that Mr. Musk will continue to espouse those broad-minded views once he’s in control.
Having forsworn the profit motive, Mr. Musk might not care whom he offends, either by welcoming extremists or by banning people who denounce him. This is a man who once called a rescue worker a “pedo guy” after the worker criticized Mr. Musk. He has been careful not to say where he would draw the line between free expression and hateful or violent speech, which Twitter’s existing management has, with a notably imperfect record, tried to curtail.
In one sense, it’s easy to sympathize with the eagerness of the Twitter board to get out of this hornet’s nest while enriching shareholders. Turning down a takeover offer at a premium to the company’s current share price would have been a recipe for litigation. Accepting the bid was the path of least resistance, and Ms. Fisch said it was unlikely to be successfully challenged in court or held up by federal regulators.
On the other hand, there’s far more at stake with Twitter than in a normal corporate transaction (though you could make a similar argument about CNN, whose parent company was acquired this month by Discovery Inc., or for that matter any other company that purportedly serves the public interest).
Perhaps Mr. Musk will prove a fine steward of the digital town square he will soon own; it’s certainly plausible that the board, if it had seriously considered the likelihood that Mr. Musk would meddle to suit his ideology or personal interests, would have concluded he was a relatively safe pair of hands. After all, it’s not as if Twitter, in its current cacophonous state, is some utopia of mild-mannered civic discourse.
But the board’s response to Mr. Musk need not have been based on any subjective evaluation of his character or motives.
As Ms. Palladino points out, the board could have taken the position that serving the public interest matters most to Twitter’s long-term value, and that selling Twitter to any single, private buyer wasn’t in the interests of anyone other than short-term speculators and Mr. Musk himself.[close]
I wish nintex was here to grace us with his take on this :fbmIt's actually pretty simple.
They can explain it to themselves however they like but Mr. Musk has owned the libs beautifully and will continue to own them in the weeks, months and perhaps even years ahead even on this very website. :trumps
That NYT word salad is just another fantasy brainfart of someone who hangs around Starbucks during the day and watches CNN on repeat at night.
Apparently missing the flamethrower sale, Elon's SNL skit about Peach cheating on Mario, him backing DOGE coin as the worlds new reserve currency and many other great endeavors of Mr. Musk.
Will he try to attract top billing talent that has recently left or was fired from Twitter Corp?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519367926708588545 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519367926708588545)
I dunno
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144)
:trumps
Much has been made of my recent $44 billion acquisition of Twitter. Reactions have ranged from elation to outrage, all of which I welcome; this is the type of robust exchange that a social media platform should guarantee. But Twitter isn’t the only company in dire need of a culture shift; other, more traditional businesses have badly lost their way. And that is why I’m pleased to announce that I have acquired the sub sandwich restaurant Jimmy John’s for a price of $3.6 billion.
This is an exciting new venture for me. Anyone who knows me knows that I’ve always wanted to master three realms: Space, green technology, and big, beefy subs with lots of gooey cheese melting out the sides. These are, you could say, my passions. And thought I’m immensely proud of what we’ve achieved at SpaceX and Tesla, I’ll be so bold as to predict that we can surpass what we’ve done with what we plan to accomplish at Jimmy John’s. We’re entering a bold new era of hoagies, friends.
But this purchase isn’t just about pushing the boundaries of what can be achieved with freshly baked bread and high-quality meats. It’s also about principle. It’s about what I believe a sub sandwich shop should be, about the implicit contract that a provider of grinders and flatbreads makes with its customers. I feel that Jimmy John’s has fallen sadly short in this obligation. This acquisition is largely to transform Jimmy John’s into the honest, delicious public forum that the people deserve.
Consider: What is the essence of the relationship between a sandwich chain restaurant and its customers? Surely, it’s trust. To quote Thomas Paine: “A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody.” Jimmy John’s has become one such unaccountable body. They have broken promises; they have ruled with a haughty arrogance that would shame the great tyrants of yore. I speak specifically of their blithe abuse of the Jimmy John’s Freaky Fast Rewards Program.
Quote from: https://imightbewrong.substack.com/p/guest-column-im-also-buying-jimmyThis is an exciting new venture for me. Anyone who knows me knows that I’ve always wanted to master three realms: Space, green technology, and big, beefy subs with lots of gooey cheese melting out the sides.
It’s also about principle. It’s about what I believe a sub sandwich shop should be, about the implicit contract that a provider of grinders and flatbreads makes with its customers. I feel that Jimmy John’s has fallen sadly short in this obligation. This acquisition is largely to transform Jimmy John’s into the honest, delicious public forum that the people deserve.
It’s about what I believe a sub sandwich shop should be
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1521605949521203200 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1521605949521203200)"Yo, George, you running a massive conspiracy to control access to information?"
So how are all those blue tick people going with their pledge to delete Twitter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOy1_lBS1zk
rambling video, summary:
part 1
- musk just sold 8 billion in tesla stock
- terminating the twitter deal would incur a 1 billion penalty, but that can be written off against the gains from selling the stock
- tesla stock is massively overvalued and may be at its highest price, set to drop
- because musk sold the stock ostensibly to "fund buying twitter" he gets an easy out to avoid the public panic from selling for no reason
part 2
- musk knows how to manipulate SEO; just before a tesla whistleblower came forward, he made this "lolrandom" tweet and product
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1465838829370228737
- doing this generated articles that dominated all search results for "elon musk tesla whistleblower" and made the real story difficult to find
- elon's drug use has always negatively affected tesla stock, see marijuana on joe rogan etc. so of course he tries to keep a lid on it
- musk used to date amber heard, who is on trial
- her drug use has been brought up in court, the two of them at least did ambien together
- guess what elon tweeted which has recently dominated articles
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519480761749016577:whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo
“Elon is the one person we know and perhaps the only person in the world who has the courage, brilliance, and skills to fix all of these and build the public square that we all hoped for and deserve,”
Is it me of there's some tendency for owning the libs™ types to go with individuals while "the libs"© will innately more accept the premise that Facebook or Twitter as collective institutions could/would/should do a better job at managing those spaces than calling up on Zuckerberg or Dorsey or some enlightened tycoon type, no matter how flawed entrusting private companies with this might be ?They believe in humanity while the libs believe in systems.
That's probably crude and oversimplistic but the whole cult of personality stuff seems more pronounced among some segments.
Rumors and leaks that Musk plan is to decrease reliance on advertising and introducing a paid subscription system... Sounds like a good way to, indeed, possibly kill it but I'm not the richest man on earth or a big tech expert.Doesn't sound too bad honestly.
:yeshrug
Rumors and leaks that Musk plan is to decrease reliance on advertising and introducing a paid subscription system... Sounds like a good way to, indeed, possibly kill it but I'm not the richest man on earth or a big tech expert.Doesn't sound too bad honestly.
:yeshrug
If only a small proportion of people are responsible for the majority of tweets, then you charge them for the privilege of posting (and blue check marks) while letting everyone else view for free. You could do a tiered system:Blue check wankers already claim Twitter is an indispensible part of their lives and democracy (lol) so I think you'd convert most of them over to a paid tier. You'd also get rid/limit the ability of the majority of the terminally online morons who shit up the place with harassment campaigns.
- Two tweets a day = free tier
- Up to 10 tweets = cheap tier
- 10+ or corporate users = expensive tier.
What savage third world country do you live in where text messages are charged individually and not as part of a plan?Rumors and leaks that Musk plan is to decrease reliance on advertising and introducing a paid subscription system... Sounds like a good way to, indeed, possibly kill it but I'm not the richest man on earth or a big tech expert.Doesn't sound too bad honestly.
:yeshrug
If only a small proportion of people are responsible for the majority of tweets, then you charge them for the privilege of posting (and blue check marks) while letting everyone else view for free. You could do a tiered system:Blue check wankers already claim Twitter is an indispensible part of their lives and democracy (lol) so I think you'd convert most of them over to a paid tier. You'd also get rid/limit the ability of the majority of the terminally online morons who shit up the place with harassment campaigns.
- Two tweets a day = free tier
- Up to 10 tweets = cheap tier
- 10+ or corporate users = expensive tier.
The text message model?
Lol no
here is the model:
- you can make as many normal tweets or photo tweets as you like for free
- video tweets or ones with images over 10 MB cost 5 twitcoins
- every user gets one twitcoin per day for free and can earn more through gamified activities that demonstrate engagement like liking one tweet every day for a week/month etc.
- also if you go sufficiently viral you earn a bunch of twitcoins
- also you can tip people with them if you really liked their tweet and this shows up as a separate like metric, a "superlike"
- you can buy twitcoins wholesale, 200 for $10
- monthly $10 sub also gets you 200 twitcoins per month as well as other privileges like the blue check
- you can also spend 600 twitcoins to get a t-shirt made out of any tweet you really like, or printed on coffee mugs or urinal cakes
Tesla down another 8% today, down 30% this year.
Musk is going to lose it all lol
Tesla down another 8% today, down 30% this year.
Musk is going to lose it all lol
As long as the banks put up the money he won't have a problem.
You forgot the part where Russia declared war on Elon Musk and the US wants a climate neutral army.Tesla down another 8% today, down 30% this year.
Musk is going to lose it all lol
As long as the banks put up the money he won't have a problem.
>banks existing
>ww3 beng a real possibility
Good luck with that.
Furthermore, the EU just passed the Digital Markets Act and the Digital Services Act, which will of course apply to Muskrat's Twitter, too.
But so is Trump...
Twitter shares have fallen to about $46, well below Elon Musk’s purchase price of $54.20.
The sell-off has created a $9 billion gap between where Twitter is valued and how much Musk agreed to pay.
Market Summary
> Tesla Inc
716.18 USD -270.77 (-27.44%)
past month
if twitter is going to be privately owned though I'm not sure it matters what the stock is valued at :idont
if twitter is going to be privately owned though I'm not sure it matters what the stock is valued at :idont
Why would you loan money to the guy willing to pay $54.20 when you can buy it yourself for $40?
if twitter is going to be privately owned though I'm not sure it matters what the stock is valued at :idont
Why would you loan money to the guy willing to pay $54.20 when you can buy it yourself for $40?
Best outcome is not that Elon actually fixes Twitter, but instead that twitter dies a quick death.
Well, I don't really want them to suffer, I just want them gone.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiH1Bk6WmvI
I don't like the current owners and direction of Twitter so Elon buying it is something I support.
However, that doesn't change the fact that he looks like a dog chasing a bone.
He buys Twitter and lifts the bans.
The libs are owned. But then what?
I don't like the current owners and direction of Twitter so Elon buying it is something I support.
However, that doesn't change the fact that he looks like a dog chasing a bone.
He buys Twitter and lifts the bans.
The libs are owned. But then what?
He buys Twitter
He unbans Trump.
Scenario A: Trump starts tweeting his same stupid shit, people boycott Twitter AND people boycott Tesla (his highest sales continue to be in California)
Scenario B: Trump doesnt tweet or promotes truth social, people boycott Twitter AND people boycott Tesla (his highest sales continue to be in California)
I don't like the current owners and direction of Twitter so Elon buying it is something I support.
However, that doesn't change the fact that he looks like a dog chasing a bone.
He buys Twitter and lifts the bans.
The libs are owned. But then what?
He buys Twitter
He unbans Trump.
Scenario A: Trump starts tweeting his same stupid shit, people boycott Twitter AND people boycott Tesla (his highest sales continue to be in California)
Scenario B: Trump doesnt tweet or promotes truth social, people boycott Twitter AND people boycott Tesla (his highest sales continue to be in California)
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/4/28/twitter-daily-user-growth-rises-as-musk-readies-to-take-control
Tallo found that the former juggernauts barely ranked, with Facebook a favorite for only 4% of Zoomers, and Twitter taking just 2% of the vote.
Startpage.com (a privacy-focused search engine like duckduckgo.com) started advertising Mastodon a while ago.
https://www.startpage.com/
Why would you loan money to the guy willing to pay $54.20 when you can buy it yourself for $40?
They can explain it to themselves however they like but Mr. Musk has owned the libs beautifully and will continue to own them in the weeks, months and perhaps even years ahead even on this very website. :trumps
He stated, "I have voted overwhelmingly for Democrats, historically – overwhelmingly. Like, I'm not sure, I might never have voted for a Republican, just to be clear. Now this election, I will."
I wouldn't be shocked if Muskrat was having buyers remorse, by nearly every account Twitter is a terrible business :trumps
I still remember that mini submarine shit and his meltdown.
He's really just a troll who managed to convince the same archetype of personality who fell for Trump (=not the same people) of being their savior.One of the people I know that unironically follows Musk went to high school for a total of three days so I'd say this checks out. :doge
As I said before, just like Trump is a simpleton's idea of a rich person, Musk is a simpleton's idea of a genius.
He's really just a troll who managed to convince the same archetype of personality who fell for Trump (=not the same people) of being their savior.One of the people I know that unironically follows Musk went to high school for a total of three days so I'd say this checks out. :doge
As I said before, just like Trump is a simpleton's idea of a rich person, Musk is a simpleton's idea of a genius.
So the dude was a pig with a woman and he is just gaslighting everyone with “political attacks”:I don't know, maybe pump your brakes about believing accusations against someone you already hate?
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5?r=MX&IR=T
Almost believed it was too convenient until I remembered that he was warning everyone of political attacks. ::)
PLOT TWISTHe's really just a troll who managed to convince the same archetype of personality who fell for Trump (=not the same people) of being their savior.One of the people I know that unironically follows Musk went to high school for a total of three days so I'd say this checks out. :doge
As I said before, just like Trump is a simpleton's idea of a rich person, Musk is a simpleton's idea of a genius.
It does check out. Occam also follows musk and reposts his tweets on a regular basis and he wanted to invade brazil to save the environment :lol
So the dude was a pig with a woman and he is just gaslighting everyone with “political attacks”:I don't know, maybe pump your brakes about believing accusations against someone you already hate?
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5?r=MX&IR=T
Almost believed it was too convenient until I remembered that he was warning everyone of political attacks. ::)
Re-Truthed (https://i.imgur.com/uyVQVHA.png)
Re-Truthed (https://i.imgur.com/uyVQVHA.png)
Re-Truthed (https://i.imgur.com/uyVQVHA.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/0yBeUNT.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/fRzmbAW.png)
Here fixed em up a little bit. :P
I would have given him the benefit of doubt (like I said, I feel it was too convenient) if he didnt started with "this is a political attack" before the news drop.Yeah, this is conspiratorial thinking. A claim about a 2016 incident that was settled for peanuts in 2018 isn't a "news drop" that you or anyone else needs to be "gaslit" about. If you seriously think all of Musk's shitposting the other day was an elaborate attempt to cover up a complete non-story he had somehow heard a semi-tabloid was going to report I don't know what to tell you other than to try to be a little more skeptical in life.
A claim about a 2016 incident that was settled for peanuts in 2018 isn't a "news drop" that you or anyone else needs to be "gaslit" about. If you seriously think all of Musk's shitposting the other day was an elaborate attempt to cover up a complete non-story he had somehow heard a semi-tabloid was going to report I don't know what to tell you other than to try to be a little more skeptical in life.
After Insider contacted Musk for comment, he emailed to ask for more time to respond and said there is "a lot more to this story."
"If I were inclined to engage in sexual harassment, this is unlikely to be the first time in my entire 30-year career that it comes to light," he wrote, calling the story a "politically motivated hit piece."
Insider extended the deadline and reiterated the offer to Musk to comment on the claims. He did not respond.
Reached via cell phone, SpaceX vice president of legal Christopher Cardaci said, "I'm not going to comment on any settlement agreements." SpaceX did not respond to requests for comment to its general media contact email address.
Musk has denied the allegations in a series of tweets over the past two days, calling them "wild accusations" that are "utterly untrue" and challenging the flight attendant's friend to describe any feature of his anatomy, such as scars or tattoos, "that isn't known by the public."
According to John Cook, investigations editor at Insider, the publication reached out to Musk at around 9 a.m. EDT (1300 GMT) on Wednesday — about three hours before Musk posted his "dirty tricks" tweet.
Just remember, none of this was important enough to report until Musk started threatening the blue ticks' little fiefdoms.
It was particularly not important enough to report when Musk was the darling of the blue ticks and was single handedly saving the planet from climate change.
Has this story taken off? Is it even a story?
Just remember, none of this was important enough to report until Musk started threatening the blue ticks' little fiefdoms.
It was particularly not important enough to report when Musk was the darling of the blue ticks and was single handedly saving the planet from climate change.
Just remember, none of this was important enough to report until Musk started threatening the blue ticks' little fiefdoms.
It was particularly not important enough to report when Musk was the darling of the blue ticks and was single handedly saving the planet from climate change.
It's no coincidence this was on the eve of starliner flying and the FAA once again hemming and hawing over letting musk launch starship tests.
really makes your think
“Tesla is on my mind 24/7," adding “So may seem like below, but not true.”
Just remember, none of this was important enough to report until Musk started threatening the blue ticks' little fiefdoms.
It was particularly not important enough to report when Musk was the darling of the blue ticks and was single handedly saving the planet from climate change.
It's no coincidence this was on the eve of starliner flying and the FAA once again hemming and hawing over letting musk launch starship tests.
really makes your think
You said that like that was occupying Musk mind:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-not-happy-meme-115447784.htmlQuote“Tesla is on my mind 24/7," adding “So may seem like below, but not true.”
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527748229470646272 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527748229470646272)
Just remember, none of this was important enough to report until Musk started threatening the blue ticks' little fiefdoms.
It was particularly not important enough to report when Musk was the darling of the blue ticks and was single handedly saving the planet from climate change.
It's no coincidence this was on the eve of starliner flying and the FAA once again hemming and hawing over letting musk launch starship tests.
really makes your think
You said that like that was occupying Musk mind:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-not-happy-meme-115447784.htmlQuote“Tesla is on my mind 24/7," adding “So may seem like below, but not true.”
Spacex is arguably the largest and most profitable company in the world and will quintuple their value in the next two years.
Elons tweets about voting republican are some wild nonsense, if he’s being serious.
That said, all he’s got to do at any given moment is respirate and, if online mob sees him do it:
:gamergate :rethread :gamergate :rethread
Elons tweets about voting republican are some wild nonsense, if he’s being serious.
That said, all he’s got to do at any given moment is respirate and, if online mob sees him do it:
:gamergate :rethread :gamergate :rethread
I mean, I feel is kind of difficult to Twitter to ignore him when he is buying twitter. Is not like he doesn’t love the attention, in any case.
There may be actual Russian interference but...
QuoteThere may be actual Russian interference but...
Somebody at twitter just told him there was, didn’t it?
Damn for 250k I'd even swallow.
Mr. Musk’s lawyers said that Twitter was “actively resisting” his requests.https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/06/business/elon-musk-twitter.html
Elon Musk is threatening to pull out of his $44 billion acquisition of Twitter if the company does not provide more information on how it calculates the number of fake accounts.
In a letter delivered to Twitter on Monday and filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Mr. Musk’s lawyers at the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom argued that Twitter was “actively resisting and thwarting” Mr. Musk’s rights under the terms of his deal to acquire the social media company. His lawyers accused Twitter of a “clear material breach” of its obligations and said that Mr. Musk had the right to break off the agreement as a result.[...]
Muskrat threatens to pull out of Twitter deal without more information about fake accounts.QuoteMr. Musk’s lawyers said that Twitter was “actively resisting” his requests.https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/06/business/elon-musk-twitter.html
Elon Musk is threatening to pull out of his $44 billion acquisition of Twitter if the company does not provide more information on how it calculates the number of fake accounts.
In a letter delivered to Twitter on Monday and filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Mr. Musk’s lawyers at the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom argued that Twitter was “actively resisting and thwarting” Mr. Musk’s rights under the terms of his deal to acquire the social media company. His lawyers accused Twitter of a “clear material breach” of its obligations and said that Mr. Musk had the right to break off the agreement as a result.[...]
You mean, “new grift”.
Ken Paxton is a scumbag to take it seriously.
But blanketing thousands of people across the company with repeated unsolicited emails and asking them to sign letters and fill out unsponsored surveys during the work day is not acceptable,
One email across a company DL of even mild criticism of that company’s CEO is enough to terminate over. Because it’s criticism of Elon doesn’t change that.
If you’re that serious about it, you’re not forced to work for them.
Musk appeared to address the report on Twitter Thursday, where he has expressed his previous views that people should have more children.
“Doing my best to help the underpopulation crisis," he tweeted. "A collapsing birth rate is the biggest danger civilization faces by far.”
https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/8/23200961/elon-musk-files-back-out-twitter-deal-breach-of-contract (https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/8/23200961/elon-musk-files-back-out-twitter-deal-breach-of-contract)We did it
I guess it comes down to the exact verbiage that was written down if he has some legitimate foundation to do so but lol.
That's $1 billion for Twitter and Elon walks away with $43 billion and probably knocked up some lawyers along the way.
I say this is a good deal for both parties involved.
LMAO they're going to force him to buy it. :lol
That's $1 billion for Twitter and Elon walks away with $43 billion and probably knocked up some lawyers along the way.
I say this is a good deal for both parties involved.
LMAO they're going to force him to buy it. :lol
If all he has to do is prove that twitter lied about metrics i'd say his chances are good.He's wrong about that and clearly doesn't understand the issue but it's irrelevant. He signed the agreement. Whether he's forced to go through with the purchase or ends up eating a massive (more than 1b) fine, he's gonna take an L.
If all he has to do is prove that twitter lied about metrics i'd say his chances are good.
Considering that the value of twitter has depreciated 14.6 billion dollars since he pledged to acquire, a $1 Billion termination fee is a steal. And if Twitter gave incorrect figures it's not a leap that the acquisition could be voided, and he wouldn't even be on the hook for $1 Billion (which is what he agreed to pay only if he failed to acquire financing, which he did, so it's irrelevant).
There's another belief floated by Josh Wolfe (an investor with Lux Capital) who claimed it was a ruse to liquidate Tesla stock en masse without Tesla hodlers getting suspicious and tanking the inflated stock price.
https://twitter.com/wolfejosh/status/1545387947578597376
If someone's stock is as incredibly overinflated as Tesla has been for so long, choosing the most effective way to liquidate stock without triggering a run becomes a social engineering problem with the incentive of a multi-billion dollar payoff.
Honestly I think other people trying to read this situation in some way that ignores a multi billion dollar incentive just sitting there is utterly naive.
If they fudged the user metrics that's misrepresentation, and all the signatures in the world wouldn't be worth a plugged nickel.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/misrepresentation.asp
https://content.next.westlaw.com/practical-law/document/I3f4a478be8db11e398db8b09b4f043e0/Misrepresentation?transitionType=Default&contextData=%28sc.Default%29&firstPage=true&viewType=FullText#:~:text=An%20untrue%20statement%20of%20fact,misrepresentation%20of%20fact%20or%20law.
Are you really going to let me dunk on you when literally my only knowledge of the law is watching archive footage of Ted Bundy defend himself in 1979, and four episodes of Extraordinary Attorney Woo?
:trumps :elon
Haven’t followed this but Twitter has gotten annoyingly aggressive about making an account. Past week they’ve hidden the x to close the pop up and repeatedly returns as you scroll. Lurking is a dying art.
Haven’t followed this but Twitter has gotten annoyingly aggressive about making an account. Past week they’ve hidden the x to close the pop up and repeatedly returns as you scroll. Lurking is a dying art.
Haven’t followed this but Twitter has gotten annoyingly aggressive about making an account. Past week they’ve hidden the x to close the pop up and repeatedly returns as you scroll. Lurking is a dying art.Heard there was an extension to possibly change this but don't know which one was being talked about, might be this one:
Sorry I forgot in the states it's called Fuck, Marry, Kill not Kill, Fuck, Marry
Hey tech bros, don't marry hot gold digging sluts that are out of your league. Eventually someone with more cash comes along and you're out of the picture.
It was a "brief" affair, reflecting the period of time that Elon was the richest man in the world.Hey tech bros, don't marry hot gold digging sluts that are out of your league. Eventually someone with more cash comes along and you're out of the picture.
*whispers* Sergey has more money than Elon.
Great save, dude. :dogeIt was a "brief" affair, reflecting the period of time that Elon was the richest man in the world.Hey tech bros, don't marry hot gold digging sluts that are out of your league. Eventually someone with more cash comes along and you're out of the picture.
*whispers* Sergey has more money than Elon.
https://twitter.com/adamhoov/status/1551951681004269569 (https://twitter.com/adamhoov/status/1551951681004269569)
:yeshrug :elon
Elon Musk sells 7.92 million Tesla shares worth $6.88 billion
Introducing NFT profile pictures
What is an NFT?NFTs (short for Non-Fungible Tokens) are digital items that you own. Proof of ownership is stored on a blockchain, a digital database that is publicly accessible. Learn more
So what does this mean?
NFT profile pictures are displayed in a special hexagonal shape
To choose an NFT as your profile picture you must connect your crypto wallet
QuoteIntroducing NFT profile pictures
What is an NFT?NFTs (short for Non-Fungible Tokens) are digital items that you own. Proof of ownership is stored on a blockchain, a digital database that is publicly accessible. Learn more
So what does this mean?
NFT profile pictures are displayed in a special hexagonal shape
To choose an NFT as your profile picture you must connect your crypto wallet
The fuck is this
Please stop body shaming :social
The hell is Vigour Times?
Elon Musk tells Twitter he'll go forward with acquisition if lawsuit stops
Kanye West, the rapper who also also goes by the name Ye, has reached an agreement to buy "uncancelable free speech platform" Parler, the two said in a statement Monday, in a move they said will help individuals express their conservative opinions freely. From a report:
As part of the deal, financial terms of which were not disclosed, Parler has agreed to sell fully to West but the social network will continue to receive technical support from Parlement Technologies, including access to its private cloud services and its data center infrastructure. The deal is expected to close in the ongoing quarter. West, who has accused Meta and Twitter of censoring him in recent weeks, said in a statement: "In a world where conservative opinions are considered to be controversial we have to make sure we have the right to freely express ourselves."
Is this also a good place to talk about Kanye?
Kanye West To Acquire 'Uncancelable' Social Media Platform ParlerQuoteKanye West, the rapper who also also goes by the name Ye, has reached an agreement to buy "uncancelable free speech platform" Parler, the two said in a statement Monday, in a move they said will help individuals express their conservative opinions freely. From a report:
As part of the deal, financial terms of which were not disclosed, Parler has agreed to sell fully to West but the social network will continue to receive technical support from Parlement Technologies, including access to its private cloud services and its data center infrastructure. The deal is expected to close in the ongoing quarter. West, who has accused Meta and Twitter of censoring him in recent weeks, said in a statement: "In a world where conservative opinions are considered to be controversial we have to make sure we have the right to freely express ourselves."
https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/17/kanye-west-to-acquire-uncancelable-social-media-platform-parler/
Today, Kanye announces he's purchasing Parlor. Who is the CEO of Parlor, you may ask?
The only reason Parlor is back on the app store is because they started moderating content.Is this some kind of joke about how pallor the skin color of people on it are? :hmm
Today, Kanye announces he's purchasing Parlor. Who is the CEO of Parlor, you may ask?The only reason Parlor is back on the app store is because they started moderating content.Is this some kind of joke about how pallor the skin color of people on it are? :hmm
Musk’s $44 billion bid, though hostile, is a golden ticket for the struggling company — potentially helping its leadership avoid painful announcements that would have demoralized the staff and possibly crippled the service’s ability to combat misinformation, hate speech and spam.
The impact of such layoffs would likely be immediately felt by millions of users, said Edwin Chen, a data scientist formerly in charge of Twitter’s spam and health metrics and now CEO of the content-moderation start-up Surge AI. He said that while he believed Twitter was overstaffed, the cuts Musk proposed were “unimaginable” and would put Twitter’s users at risk of hacks and exposure to offensive material such as child pornography.
“It would be a cascading effect,” he said, “where you’d have services going down and the people remaining not having the institutional knowledge to get them back up, and being completely demoralized and wanting to leave themselves.”
https://twitter.com/exec_sum/status/1583226406430945281 (https://twitter.com/exec_sum/status/1583226406430945281)
:elon
Now do the other 25% :rejoice
(well, it's properly mostly the banks' money).Don't make me report you to the Federal Republic of Germany for spreading disinformation online. :ufup
https://twitter.com/exec_sum/status/1583226406430945281 (https://twitter.com/exec_sum/status/1583226406430945281)
:elon
Now do the other 25% :rejoice
:whoo
(https://i.imgur.com/Ujyw6DF.gif)
:maf
(well, it's properly mostly the banks' money).Don't make me report you to the Federal Republic of Germany for spreading disinformation online. :ufup
(well, it's properly mostly the banks' money).Don't make me report you to the Federal Republic of Germany for spreading disinformation online. :ufup
Seems autocorrect somehow turned probably into properly (mobile device), I normally don't use it.
It was wild the other week seeing all the Blue Checks running around gloating and claiming that Musk couldn't afford it and was going to lose all of Tesla and then probably go bankrupt and wind up in jail when he had already sold enough stock and that's not how any of it works anyway.One of my personal favorites in this genre, not a single statement in any of these tweets from this Harvard-employed lawyer is true, the replies to the first two are full of cheering, celebration gifs, "haha get fucked elon", "good things do happen", etc. and the tweets go unredacted, uncorrected and there's no apology for completely making shit up because lol why:
Thankfully there is an open source alternative: Mastodon
Global social networks should not be owned by individuals, corporations or governments.
Mastodon just got an Android version 5 days ago:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.joinmastodon.android&gl=US
For those of us who don't use Google accounts, download Aurora Store using F-Droid and then open the link above with Aurora Store.
How it's going:
Mastodon.technology is shutting down (https://ashfurrow.com/blog/mastodon-technology-shutdown/)
How it's going:
Mastodon.technology is shutting down (https://ashfurrow.com/blog/mastodon-technology-shutdown/)
mastodon itself is not shutting down (and it really can't, since it's decentralized)
mastodon.technology is shutting down
it's like if reddit.com/r/technology was closed, but not reddit.com
and people are already spinning up a replacement
price too high imo
My favourite bit is going to be wheneveryone threatening to leave (oh no!) either comes back after a few weeks max because the alternatives fucking suck, or don't bother ever logging off, because they need that sweet sweet attention.
And they get to pretend to be the persecuted as blue tick intellectuals, and we all know playing the victim is the hot thing online now :phil
My hope is Musk makes terrible decisions, tanks whatever value it has, and the service withers and dies, probably changing hands multiple times over in the process.
My favourite bit is going to be wheneveryone threatening to leave (oh no!) either comes back after a few weeks max because the alternatives fucking suck, or don't bother ever logging off, because they need that sweet sweet attention.
And they get to pretend to be the persecuted as blue tick intellectuals, and we all know playing the victim is the hot thing online now :phil
My hope is Musk makes terrible decisions, tanks whatever value it has, and the service withers and dies, probably changing hands multiple times over in the process.
Knowing how some people over value the verified status, disrupting it would be a funny choice.
My limited understanding of the current process involved sending various notes of personal data to get approved?
Twitter is losing its most active users, internal documents show
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/25/twitter-losing-most-active-users-internal-documents.html
Interesting: "“Heavy tweeters” account for less than 10% of monthly overall users but generate 90% of all tweets and half of global revenue."
How it started
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgEF-jDXEAANu6G?format=jpg)
How it is going
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgEF1rwXoAAXcEQ?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgEF7dEXEAAE_i1?format=jpg)
Tesla engineers at Twitter to review the code. LFG!
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1585796844126457856
:elon
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1585796844126457856
:elon
:sabu
CEO is getting a briefcase with $60million to never have to listen to Musk.Is that figure accurate? The Lakers might be on line one asking Musk to hold off because they have a deal to offer first.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1585796844126457856
:elon
:sabu
You know this means they get to collect severance right
CEO is getting a briefcase with $60million to never have to listen to Musk.
Thats called winning.
This isnt like the time you got fired from the 7-11 eating a hotdog without paying
(https://i.imgur.com/xIWsvtO.gif)They need to bring back Limitless like they did Dexter. Only, it should be good like the original series.
:phil Time to burn :rejoice
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1585796844126457856
https://twitter.com/neilcybart/status/1585796124400840704
CEO is getting a briefcase with $60million to never have to listen to Musk.Is that figure accurate? The Lakers might be on line one asking Musk to hold off because they have a deal to offer first.
twitter.com/edzitron/status/1585844417126051840https://twitter.com/BlueDogsGuitar/status/1585835124280610816
Being fair, he is not beyond being a petty asshole. Don’t forget the scuba diver saga, Benji. :ufup
Welcome to Hell, Elon.
You fucked up real good, kiddo.
Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself, and there is no possible way to grow users and revenue without making a series of enormous compromises that will ultimately destroy your reputation and possibly cause grievous damage to your other companies.
I say this with utter confidence because the problems with Twitter are not engineering problems. They are political problems. Twitter, the company, makes very little interesting technology; the tech stack is not the valuable asset. The asset is the user base: hopelessly addicted politicians, reporters, celebrities, and other people who should know better but keep posting anyway. You! You, Elon Musk, are addicted to Twitter. You’re the asset. You just bought yourself for $44 billion dollars.
The problem when the asset is people is that people are intensely complicated, and trying to regulate how people behave is historically a miserable experience, especially when that authority is vested in a single powerful individual.
What I mean is that you are now the King of Twitter, and people think that you, personally, are responsible for everything that happens on Twitter now. It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
Twitter, the company, makes very little interesting technology; the tech stack is not the valuable asset. The asset is the user base: hopelessly addicted politicians, reporters, celebrities, and other people who should know better but keep posting anyway.
How do I use dogecoin to buy followers
How do I use dogecoin to buy followers
You cut out the middleman and light your money on fire in your backyard.
https://twitter.com/georgehahn/status/1585838141881163779
https://twitter.com/JoJoFromJerz/status/1585823703832887296
https://twitter.com/indictmentduck/status/1585805481892888582
https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1585827015617298432
https://twitter.com/CompanyHooch/status/1585814159559905281
https://twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1585798514885693440
:mouf
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1585993471084482560
There's no liberal media!!!!!
And the Verge shows the lows of liberal reactionary emotional displays :sabu
https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderationQuoteWelcome to Hell, Elon.
You fucked up real good, kiddo.
Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself, and there is no possible way to grow users and revenue without making a series of enormous compromises that will ultimately destroy your reputation and possibly cause grievous damage to your other companies.
I say this with utter confidence because the problems with Twitter are not engineering problems. They are political problems. Twitter, the company, makes very little interesting technology; the tech stack is not the valuable asset. The asset is the user base: hopelessly addicted politicians, reporters, celebrities, and other people who should know better but keep posting anyway. You! You, Elon Musk, are addicted to Twitter. You’re the asset. You just bought yourself for $44 billion dollars.
The problem when the asset is people is that people are intensely complicated, and trying to regulate how people behave is historically a miserable experience, especially when that authority is vested in a single powerful individual.
What I mean is that you are now the King of Twitter, and people think that you, personally, are responsible for everything that happens on Twitter now. It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
This is journalism?
I still remain dumbfounded by those people who are going insane over Elon buying Twitter. If you asked any of those left wing blue checkmark people they'll tell you that twitter is already filled with nazis, harassers and -phobes of every kind, so what exactly are they so terrified about? That Trump comes back? The guy who had a twitter account for years and years? I'm sure him coming back will be what ruins democracy ::)
https://web.archive.org/web/20160113194132/https://nextshark.com/nilay-patel-apple-watch-review-bracelet-tantrum/
I still remain dumbfounded by those people who are going insane over Elon buying Twitter. If you asked any of those left wing blue checkmark people they'll tell you that twitter is already filled with nazis, harassers and -phobes of every kind, so what exactly are they so terrified about? That Trump comes back? The guy who had a twitter account for years and years? I'm sure him coming back will be what ruins democracy ::)
https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderationQuoteWelcome to Hell, Elon.
You fucked up real good, kiddo.
Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself, and there is no possible way to grow users and revenue without making a series of enormous compromises that will ultimately destroy your reputation and possibly cause grievous damage to your other companies.
I say this with utter confidence because the problems with Twitter are not engineering problems. They are political problems. Twitter, the company, makes very little interesting technology; the tech stack is not the valuable asset. The asset is the user base: hopelessly addicted politicians, reporters, celebrities, and other people who should know better but keep posting anyway. You! You, Elon Musk, are addicted to Twitter. You’re the asset. You just bought yourself for $44 billion dollars.
The problem when the asset is people is that people are intensely complicated, and trying to regulate how people behave is historically a miserable experience, especially when that authority is vested in a single powerful individual.
What I mean is that you are now the King of Twitter, and people think that you, personally, are responsible for everything that happens on Twitter now. It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
This is journalism?
What I mean is that you are now the King of Twitter, and people think that you, personally, are responsible for everything that happens on Twitter now. It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderationQuoteWelcome to Hell, Elon.
You fucked up real good, kiddo.
Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself, and there is no possible way to grow users and revenue without making a series of enormous compromises that will ultimately destroy your reputation and possibly cause grievous damage to your other companies.
I say this with utter confidence because the problems with Twitter are not engineering problems. They are political problems. Twitter, the company, makes very little interesting technology; the tech stack is not the valuable asset. The asset is the user base: hopelessly addicted politicians, reporters, celebrities, and other people who should know better but keep posting anyway. You! You, Elon Musk, are addicted to Twitter. You’re the asset. You just bought yourself for $44 billion dollars.
The problem when the asset is people is that people are intensely complicated, and trying to regulate how people behave is historically a miserable experience, especially when that authority is vested in a single powerful individual.
What I mean is that you are now the King of Twitter, and people think that you, personally, are responsible for everything that happens on Twitter now. It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
This is journalism?QuoteWhat I mean is that you are now the King of Twitter, and people think that you, personally, are responsible for everything that happens on Twitter now. It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
i-in the digital realm...?
It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160113194132/https://nextshark.com/nilay-patel-apple-watch-review-bracelet-tantrum/
:lol :lol :lol
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586059953311137792lmao this is already cringe as fuck.
Oh my god, what a monster
The qualifier lets him get away with it because he'll just claim that person wasn't an absolute monarch. Or probably that shit didn't go sideways or something.QuoteIt also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
[citation needed]
Benji?
More Verge cringe :clapDidn't they go around copyright striking people who tried to mock this?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/the-verges-gaming-pc-build-video
Weird, it's like everything they do somehow always has the same solution: deny everyone else their rights. Very odd, there must be some explanation somewhere because what is the actual probability that every problem can actually be solved by outlawing the sharing of the truth?I still remain dumbfounded by those people who are going insane over Elon buying Twitter. If you asked any of those left wing blue checkmark people they'll tell you that twitter is already filled with nazis, harassers and -phobes of every kind, so what exactly are they so terrified about? That Trump comes back? The guy who had a twitter account for years and years? I'm sure him coming back will be what ruins democracy ::)
You don't understand: It would be too much to ask private media companies and private citizens to consciously not report on Donald Trump's tweets, which become existential threat death con 3 status once they gain traction. Terrible nazi-like things just happen from peoples' mouths and keyboards and we're helpless to stop the words. And once the words come out, it's all over. Clamping down on words is our last defense.
If they don't like the moderation, they're free to create their own platformMarginalized people can't create their own platforms, fascist. You're arguing that they should be denied their right to speak by a method of their choosing, which is literally treason to advocate. This is why Twitter needs to be owned and operated by the federal government and make it so when you tweet @FBI they actually do go and arrest that person and throw away the key. Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
It remains a fact that the only two ways I and most other functional human beings ever find out about all the racist, misogynistic, bigoted and vile tweets is because all these blue check mark knobs constantly signal boost them all over other media. If they all left like they keep threatening, then no one would ever read them.Everyone in the media freaks out about Trump for months, outrages each other into a frenzy, then leaves Twitter to go to their actual media jobs with people who are all also on Twitter freaking out and decides to fill every outlet with constant outrage about Trump tweets to where Trump brags to people about how he can get CNN to cover his tweets and says "watch this" then tweets random shit until CNN does BREAKING NEWS. (All the while everyone does as normal and doesn't trust the media so assumes Trump must be a truth-teller if he's getting this much coverage and the media is upset about it.)
btw the kid who was tracking elon's jet is not yet bannedBubububu Elon is a short fused, thin skinned rich billionaire! He hates free speech!
https://twitter.com/ElonJet/status/1585491249544536065
benji you betrayed us, that's a cryptobro trollinSo you're saying there should be limits to free speech? Checkmate, atheist. :smug
The Empire in Star Wars had a counsel too!!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-29/darth-vader-designer-suit-elon-musk-twitter-takeover-domination/101591612
My tax dollars paid for this.
Do you think Darth Vader learned to Force choke his disappointing underlings mostly because a lack of gravity in space prevented him simply chucking people off the Death Star?It'd still kill them though?
It remains a fact that the only two ways I and most other functional human beings ever find out about all the racist, misogynistic, bigoted and vile tweets is because all these blue check mark knobs constantly signal boost them all over other media. If they all left like they keep threatening, then no one would ever read them.Everyone in the media freaks out about Trump for months, outrages each other into a frenzy, then leaves Twitter to go to their actual media jobs with people who are all also on Twitter freaking out and decides to fill every outlet with constant outrage about Trump tweets to where Trump brags to people about how he can get CNN to cover his tweets and says "watch this" then tweets random shit until CNN does BREAKING NEWS. (All the while everyone does as normal and doesn't trust the media so assumes Trump must be a truth-teller if he's getting this much coverage and the media is upset about it.)
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:pika HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN? THEY ASK REPEATEDLY! THIS IS NOT NORMAL! :pika
The Empire in Star Wars had a counsel too!!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-29/darth-vader-designer-suit-elon-musk-twitter-takeover-domination/101591612
My tax dollars paid for this.
An emboldened cast of anonymous trolls spewed racist slurs and Nazi memes onto Twitter in the hours after billionaire industrialist Elon Musk took over the social network, raising fears that his pledge of unrestricted free speech could fuel a new wave of online hate.Only source Erin Reed is the known liar and Twitter nut ErinInTheMorn and is not actually employed as an activist or researcher.
The flood of racist posts was among the most prominent signs of how Twitter had changed in the first hours of Musk’s ownership. But those who were expecting even bigger changes, such as the restoration of former president Donald Trump’s account and the layoff of hundreds if not thousands of Twitter employees, will have to wait longer.
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Racial slurs were posted rampantly. One single-word tweet, showing a single racial slur in all capital letters, was retweeted more than 700 times and liked more than 5,000 times. It was tweeted Thursday night and remained online more than 16 hours later.
One account, created this month, included a Nazi swastika as its profile picture and retweeted quotes from Musk alongside antisemitic memes. Another tweet, showing a video montage glorifying Nazi Germany with the comment, “I hear that there have been some changes around here,” was liked more than 400 times.
The Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI), a group that analyzes hundreds of millions of messages across social media, said use of the n-word on the app spiked nearly 500 percent over the 12 hours after Musk’s deal was finalized.
By Friday afternoon, misogynistic and anti-LGBTQ messages had become increasingly prominent, including from accounts calling for the harassment and misnaming of transgender people or the use of terms, like “groomer,” to insinuate that they sexually recruit children.
“Almost immediately I noticed an increase in anti-trans harassment, it’s very visible,” said Erin Reed, a trans activist and legislative researcher. “I’m seeing more people in comments with explicit threats, more misgendering, more harmful slurs. I’ve gotten pictures of me getting shot by a shotgun. It’s a pretty scary environment on Twitter right now.”
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Alex Goldenberg, NCRI’s lead intelligence analyst, said the swarm of racial slurs organized on anonymous forums such as 4chan was intended “to make as big a mess as possible for Twitter’s new management.”
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Some Twitter rules, however, still appeared to apply. Stew Peters, a far-right conspiracy theorist and radio host who was banned from Twitter, created a new account Thursday night and posted, “I’m BAAAAAAAAAAACK.” By Friday morning, however, the account had been suspended.
Minutes after Elon Musk became Twitter’s official owner, the platform was filled with vile hate speech as users celebrated.The only sources for any of this? Known liars and Twitter nuts Taylor Lorenz and Alejandra Caraballo. :lol
The very first hours of Musk’s stewardship of the social media platform have been dominated by his supporters relishing their ability to use profane slurs and racial epithets, and a torrent of racist, antisemitic, Islamophobic, homophobic, and transphobic hate speech continued Friday morning.
“Since Elon Musk made Twitter free speech haven, I'll say this: FUCK N*****S,” one account tweeted. “Fuck n*****s and fuck the jews,” another tweeted alongside a picture of Pepe the Frog, a far-right symbol.
Other Twitter users documented other examples of hate speech proliferating on the site Thursday evening and into Friday morning.
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Many of the earlier tweets have been deleted and some of the accounts suspended, indicating that Twitter’s moderation policies remain in place. However, those systems are being harshly tested on Friday morning as a search of the latest tweets for a variety of hateful phrases shows a seemingly unending stream of toxic content.
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Users celebrating Musk’s Twitter takeover have also felt emboldened to directly target others. A number of users, predominantly women, have said that the level of abuse they’re receiving has shot up in the hours since Musk’s takeover.
When it was announced that Musk was officially in charge of Twitter, racist slurs were shared on the platform in droves overnight. For example, one tweet displayed a video montage praising Nazi Germany and was captioned: “I hear that there have been some changes around here.”
It was like more than 400 times.
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The man has owned Twitter for less than 48 hours and racists are beside themselves. Honestly, it will probably continue to go even further downhill from here.
#BlackTwitter, which has been identified as “an internet community largely consisting of African-American users on the social network Twitter focused on issues of interest to the Black community in the United States,” has functioned not only as a haven for joy, jokes and trending memes on Twitter but also as a corner of the platform where anti-Black racism has been unapologetically called out and where Black organizers have mobilized in efforts to aggressively combat white supremacy in every iteration it presents itself.
Will Musk’s Twitter allow space for pointed language and content that fiercely challenges systems of white supremacy? Will it censor Black and other marginalized advocates from sharing information relevant to the struggle for liberation? Will it exist as a space where only Black culture and entertainment and merriment will be accepted but resistance and strategic activism will be met with dismissals from the site?
Musk says that there is “currently great danger that social media will splinter into far right-wing and far left-wing echo chambers that generate more hate and divide our society,” but who is he most likely to muzzle if the heat of the “town square” bonfire morphs into an inferno?
Conventional wisdom would suggest that the likes of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and neo-Nazis will be unrestricted in their ability to plan, plot and strategize in plain view in Musk’s Twitterverse, whereas freedom fighters of color might very well find their timelines interrupted.
I am not of the belief that the new “Chief Twit” in charge will be impartial about what brand of “open dialogue” his Twitter will allow. I am of reasonable concern as to what may be the consequences of his acquisition with regard to who will get the mic back.
The bigots are already back out to play on the bird app. And I can very well see myself leaving that nest sooner than later.
Elon Musk’s first tweet since taking over Twitter has already been flooded with racial slurs.https://twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/1585829588361687040
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It remains unclear whether any action will be taken against the offending tweets at this time.
https://twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/1585829588361687040
(https://i.imgur.com/bLTT12J.jpeg)Seems like the smartest play would be building the hype for a Trump return later on down the road rather than making your big move to bring about fascism after just a few weeks. Get The Resistance locked in thinking nothing is going to change and they've saved democracy, then BAM, Trump's back in time for 2024 and returning Twitter to the market!
Director and activist Rob Reiner — who previously expressed concern about Musk taking over the platform — tweeted: “For those who are fighting to preserve our Constitutional Democracy, now is not the time to leave Twitter. Now is the time to VOTE BLUE!”
Mia Farrow, for example, said she would flee the platform if it became more toxic under Musk, then deleted the tweet and instead wrote to Musk: “You gave us Tesla ♥️ and Space X♥️👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽. Thank you! Hope you can keep Twitter worthy of your previous achievements and of lawful people everywhere.”
The Good Place and She-Hulk actress Jameela Jamil quit Twitter on April 25, according to People, and declared, “I fear this free speech bid is going to help this hell platform reach its final form of totally lawless hate, bigotry, and misogyny. Best of luck.” She later deleted the tweet and returned to the platform.
Billions showrunner Brian Koppelman similarly tweeted, “Y’all’s, for real, come find me over on instagram and the tok. Gonna really try to take a breather from here for a minute or a month come deal close time.”
"don't flee twitter, vote blue"You mean the Democrats currently in power? :hmm
what does voting blue have to do with this? would the democrats have prevented him from buying it?
Stephanie Ruhle Hubbard[1] (born December 24, 1975) is the host of The 11th Hour and a Senior Business Analyst for NBC News.[2] Previously, Ruhle was managing editor and news anchor for Bloomberg Television and editor-at-large for Bloomberg News.
You know this means they get to collect severance right
CEO is getting a briefcase with $60million to never have to listen to Musk.
Thats called winning.
This isnt like the time you got fired from the 7-11 eating a hotdog without paying
I don't fuck with Elon on any level but...why wouldn't you expect him to fire front office people, find his own CEO, etc. This is pretty standard. And when the dust is settled I'd expect a crackdown on some of the ugly shit going on right now in terms of the hate speech. He says he wants advertisers and it won't be a free-for-all atmosphere so I'd expect some bans and deletions.
I expect him to create another Blue Check like system but behind-the-scenes and shift those people into a more human appeal process for bans, maybe even automatically holding bans/suspensions until they're confirmed rather than banning and requiring an appeal. There is no way gobs of people would not pay for a more first-class Twitter status even if it's not visible.
Yup, I expect these sort of Discord type subscriptions and things.I expect him to create another Blue Check like system but behind-the-scenes and shift those people into a more human appeal process for bans, maybe even automatically holding bans/suspensions until they're confirmed rather than banning and requiring an appeal. There is no way gobs of people would not pay for a more first-class Twitter status even if it's not visible.
Two things I'd expect him to do to make money that the only people who will be mad about it are the twitterati who are already doing this but dont want the hoi palloi to;
- Just sell blue ticks for a monthly / annual fee; this is roundabout how the system already works tbh.
- Sell 'boosters' (bot follows) directly, cutting out the middle man; again, people already do this and pretend they don't, but this would just go to twitter instead of botfarms.
here is the model:
- you can make as many normal tweets or photo tweets as you like for free
- video tweets or ones with images over 10 MB cost 5 twitcoins
- every user gets one twitcoin per day for free and can earn more through gamified activities that demonstrate engagement like liking one tweet every day for a week/month etc.
- also if you go sufficiently viral you earn a bunch of twitcoins
- also you can tip people with them if you really liked their tweet and this shows up as a separate like metric, a "superlike"
- you can buy twitcoins wholesale, 200 for $10
- monthly $10 sub also gets you 200 twitcoins per month as well as other privileges like the blue check
- you can also spend 600 twitcoins to get a t-shirt made out of any tweet you really like, or printed on coffee mugs or urinal cakes
Man, the dude is so high of his own farts. It truly feels like he only bought twitter to shitpost.
Man, the dude is so high of his own farts. It truly feels like he only bought twitter to shitpost.
Good for him. It's a much better use of his money than taking a trip into space.
It's not stupid, it's a great idea. Twitter is not an essential service. Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to use twitter. That badge is a status and credibility marker and now you have to pay for it or go screw. It's a genius move putting people on the spot to choose between making Twitter and Elon money or losing that free status/cred signal that gets you more popularity/business/taken more seriously, etc. Pick one. Also makes convictionless hypocrites more apparent. Complaining about Elon's business ethics, the way he gets rich, how much of a dick he is, while you directly contribute to his business from your own pocket? It's brilliant.
Only thing that would suck is if anyone could buy the badge, but I don't think that's what this is. I think the badge requirements stay the same, you just have to pay for it now.
It's not stupid, it's a great idea. Twitter is not an essential service. Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to use twitter. That badge is a status and credibility marker and now you have to pay for it or go screw. It's a genius move putting people on the spot to choose between making Twitter and Elon money or losing that free status/cred signal that gets you more popularity/business/taken more seriously, etc. Pick one. Also makes convictionless hypocrites more apparent. Complaining about Elon's business ethics, the way he gets rich, how much of a dick he is, while you directly contribute to his business from your own pocket? It's brilliant.
Only thing that would suck is if anyone could buy the badge, but I don't think that's what this is. I think the badge requirements stay the same, you just have to pay for it now.
Yeah like I said, if anyone can just buy the badge, that's bad and defeats the purpose. I have a feeling it's just simply adding a fee on top of the current badge standard, though.
Yeah like I said, if anyone can just buy the badge, that's bad and defeats the purpose. I have a feeling it's just simply adding a fee on top of the current badge standard, though.
Why are you giving the fucker the benefit of doubt?
Deep down he is just a shitposter and doesn’t care about free speech. He justa misses the validation he used to have as “IRL Tony Stark”.
I think is more likely that he just wants to squeeze money from corporations and Journalists, the people that will actually pay for it.
Why are you giving the fucker the benefit of doubt?Because that's what good people do.
Most people will not pay and the people that will pay will be journos as a business expense and corpos.People like Brianna Wu, MovieBob, etc. losing their Blue Checks to people who are at least actually employed in the field they claim in some capacity is probably a good thing for increasing the status of the Blue Check itself.
People usually use social media because it is free. Is a private owned town square, but still a town square most people used for free. Monetizing blue marks is not a genius idea just because I bet you they already though about the idea way before Musk went full autistic, but was probably too stupid of an idea to do.
Why are you giving the fucker the benefit of doubt?Because that's what good people do.
Most people will not pay and the people that will pay will be journos as a business expense and corpos.People like Brianna Wu, MovieBob, etc. losing their Blue Checks to people who are at least actually employed in the field they claim in some capacity is probably a good thing for increasing the status of the Blue Check itself.
Don’t disagree with that, but there is also people that are not exactly scum that are going to lose it and corporations and some insane journos and media personalities will probably afford it. Probably people with bigger cloud than MovieBob.
That's not at all what I said, I said good people give others the benefit of the doubt. I would never claim that only good people deserve the benefit of the doubt. I consider that immoral.Why are you giving the fucker the benefit of doubt?Because that's what good people do.
Because Elon Musk is good people and worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Just like Brianna Wu, MovieBob, etc. ;)
Come on, Benji.
It gets straight to the crux of the essential question of what Twitter is. It is not the town square. It is not an essential service. The government does not ensure you have a right to speak on it. It's a private company with a service that you now have to pay for. You now have to pay for that verified marker, and if you don't, you lose all the goodies that come with it. You either enrich Elon or leave. Or stay on and cry about it.Twatter is and always was a service for the most self-absorbed and narcissistic idiots to express their private thought bubble onto the rest of the self-absorbed and narcissistic userbase. It became a public nuisance when twats could embed their tweets all over the internet, thus making tweets newsworthy in themselves and allowing idiots to report on the opinions of other idiots.
This whole thing is basically akin to the robber barons buying newspaper publishers back in the day to shape public opinion in their favor.Trying to back out completely and claiming the main goal is reducing top-down censorship is a weird way to try to "shape public opinion" to... boost Tesla and SpaceX?
That's not at all what I said, I said good people give others the benefit of the doubt. I would never claim that only good people deserve the benefit of the doubt. I consider that immoral.Why are you giving the fucker the benefit of doubt?Because that's what good people do.
Because Elon Musk is good people and worthy of the benefit of the doubt. Just like Brianna Wu, MovieBob, etc. ;)
Come on, Benji.
I actually have no idea what you're even attempting to say we're giving Musk the benefit of the doubt on. He's monetizing an exclusive aspect of his platform, isn't that what we said he's doing? We just didn't think that's a bad thing, Musk's motives are irrelevant to that determination.
How often you read about Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos calling a scuba diver a pedophile? Or implying that the reason why the husband of a congresswoman was attacked at his house is because he has a gay lover?I do not expect China to leverage Musk calling someone a pedophile in order to censor anti-China content on Twitter, no.
Musk makes himself easily unsympathetic even when people have tried to make charitable interpretations of his actions.
nobody is buying YouTube Premium.
nobody is buying YouTube Premium.
It has more than 25 million US users.
Making people pay for the checkmark seems like a dumb idea. Vain checkmark club idiots aside, the checkmark serves everyone by verifying that this is an official account and not one of the million randos/bots who claimed a similar sounding Twitter handle. I'd wager seeing tweets from someone like the real Elijah Wood is a bigger gain for the user base than Elijah Wood himself. So if he decides he can't be fucked to pay that fee Twitter loses part of its appeal
Time for Musk to buy Reddit.
that one sentence
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Time for Musk to buy Reddit.
He literally could do this with the change in his couch.
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What sub it is, my dear?
Because there is genuinely awful subs with shitty opinions that don’t even need to be Nazis.
Musk’s inner circle worked through the weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans
The first round of layoffs will target 25 percent of the workforce
(WaPo)
If Elon were smart hed start a red check so we could have a red vs blue situation
If Elon were smart hed start a red check so we could have a red vs blue situation
the red check also costs $20/month but must be purchased using cryptocurrency
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1585964490335522816If Elon were smart hed start a red check so we could have a red vs blue situation
the red check also costs $20/month but must be purchased using cryptocurrency
https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1587042605627490304
this billionaire skinflint bitch is still tweeting
Is the Washington Post a legitimate organization anymore? Taylor Lorenz writes for it. We can skip that one. Carl Milton Bernstein probably rolling in his grave reading some of that journalism.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587499283573530625
I deleted that post! What you're doing is misinformation. The truth dies in darkness you fucking bitch. That's where I left that post.
I deleted that post! What you're doing is misinformation. The truth dies in darkness you fucking bitch. That's where I left that post.
I just pulled a name out of thin air
a check for @CNN so people aren't fooled by @CNNOfficial or @CNN0fficial or @CNNdesk or whatever
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587499283573530625
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587499283573530625
lol it used to be free. :yeshrug
Bluemarks are a problem… but this is gonna backfire.
Your hate blind you.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587499283573530625
People will predictably complain that some checkmarks are billionaires like Joanne and others are starving artists, no matter the country, so this makes no sense. Because Twitter is a beloved essential public institution, Elon needs to take up the mantle of being the world's corporate egalitarian and do it by average income by ethnicity, according to aggregate census data in sample countries. *crowd goes wild* "Err, hold on American Jews and Indians you will have to pay quite a bit more than others. How much more? That's up to our new social media treasury rep, Mr. Kanye West. Kanye, you have the floor!"
There is NO downside to any of this. The conclusion is self-evident: If this destroys the website, it needed to be destroyed because it would mean it was worthless shit to begin with.
There is NO downside to any of this. The conclusion is self-evident: If this destroys the website, it needed to be destroyed because it would mean it was worthless shit to begin with.
well, it has the same downside as era clear or neogaf gold: is there an internal "second/third/fourth chance" for rulebreakers who are paying customers
lol it used to be free. :yeshrug
Bluemarks are a problem… but this is gonna backfire.
Your hate blind you.
BoredFrom, why are you so intent on avoiding the fact that it will inject a much-needed impetus for conscious decision making of its users into this website. More thoughtful intentionality on a website that essentially runs on addiction-validation is a good thing. It's a good thing that people will have to stop and think about if they want to directly support the owner and platform they disagree with. The exposure of having to put your money on the table is a good contingency for thoughtful decisions. This website is so obnoxious because it's completely thoughtless - people farm likes and retweets using the most provactive and smarmy 250 or whatever character wordbites. Everyone tries to be a fucking comedian. People have their reputations destroyed by thoughtless mobs engaging in collective smothering that costs each of them nothing - and bluechecks get to lead those mobs. It will turn the incessant Elon shittalkers into obvious hypocrites the moment they have to decide if a shiny badge on a website is worth more than their pretend-convictions that they constantly tweet about.
There is NO downside to any of this. The conclusion is self-evident: If this destroys the website, it needed to be destroyed because it would mean it was worthless shit to begin with.
yea you do
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lol lool loool
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I get the feeling everyone has turned off their thinking skills
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1587647032457449473
Like does she not understand that it's $8 for the verified mark, not for posting at all?
That said...
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587627120355934208
Now Musk himself is presenting it like you'd have to pay $8 to keep posting.
Does no one understand what is going on?
I'm not sure whether he's just abjectly stupid or deliberately sabotaging the platform to drive certain people away. It's clear that facts don't matter to him and he will not back down on being wrong. He was wrong about bots before the purchase and is still wrong; I'd imagine multiple engineers have shown him the data over the last week. He doesn't understand the point of the blue check system, which was to entice celebs (by preventing them from being drowned in thousands of replies/notifications to their posts) and provide verified accounts the ability to tweet out news/information (politicians, news and sports journalists, etc).
So the result will be a flood of troll/spam blue checks posting fake news. Fake Woj accounts announcing fake NBA trades, fake Fox News accounts announcing the death of world leaders, etc. Elon has said that scam/fake accounts will lose their blue check but we've all been on the internet long enough to know that's not going to stop what's coming. Perhaps more importantly none of this adds up to a big enough financial incentive for this to make sense. I'm sure some true believers will purchase a blue check. Most people won't.
I'm not sure whether he's just abjectly stupid or deliberately sabotaging the platform to drive certain people away. It's clear that facts don't matter to him and he will not back down on being wrong. He was wrong about bots before the purchase and is still wrong; I'd imagine multiple engineers have shown him the data over the last week. He doesn't understand the point of the blue check system, which was to entice celebs (by preventing them from being drowned in thousands of replies/notifications to their posts) and provide verified accounts the ability to tweet out news/information (politicians, news and sports journalists, etc).
So the result will be a flood of troll/spam blue checks posting fake news. Fake Woj accounts announcing fake NBA trades, fake Fox News accounts announcing the death of world leaders, etc. Elon has said that scam/fake accounts will lose their blue check but we've all been on the internet long enough to know that's not going to stop what's coming. Perhaps more importantly none of this adds up to a big enough financial incentive for this to make sense. I'm sure some true believers will purchase a blue check. Most people won't.
I didn't even think about that part. It's not just that someone like AOC will presumably not have a blue check anymore, making harder to identify if it's the real account, it's that someone else with the A0C handle will now have a blue check, claiming to be the real one.
I'm not sure whether he's just abjectly stupid or deliberately sabotaging the platform to drive certain people away. It's clear that facts don't matter to him and he will not back down on being wrong. He was wrong about bots before the purchase and is still wrong; I'd imagine multiple engineers have shown him the data over the last week. He doesn't understand the point of the blue check system, which was to entice celebs (by preventing them from being drowned in thousands of replies/notifications to their posts) and provide verified accounts the ability to tweet out news/information (politicians, news and sports journalists, etc).
So the result will be a flood of troll/spam blue checks posting fake news. Fake Woj accounts announcing fake NBA trades, fake Fox News accounts announcing the death of world leaders, etc. Elon has said that scam/fake accounts will lose their blue check but we've all been on the internet long enough to know that's not going to stop what's coming. Perhaps more importantly none of this adds up to a big enough financial incentive for this to make sense. I'm sure some true believers will purchase a blue check. Most people won't.
I didn't even think about that part. It's not just that someone like AOC will presumably not have a blue check anymore, making harder to identify if it's the real account, it's that someone else with the A0C handle will now have a blue check, claiming to be the real one.
So the result will be a flood of troll/spam blue checks posting fake news. Fake Woj accounts announcing fake NBA trades, fake Fox News accounts announcing the death of world leaders, etc. Elon has said that scam/fake accounts will lose their blue check but we've all been on the internet long enough to know that's not going to stop what's coming.
So the result will be a flood of troll/spam blue checks posting fake news. Fake Woj accounts announcing fake NBA trades, fake Fox News accounts announcing the death of world leaders, etc. Elon has said that scam/fake accounts will lose their blue check but we've all been on the internet long enough to know that's not going to stop what's coming.
The verification part of the process isn't just suddenly going to disappear though, no? Though I haven't paid enough attention to Twitter to know whether they've verified users posing as others before.
Edit: took too long to post :doge
I don't think we have to worry too much about the idea of people buying blue checks just to troll and scam, because buying leaves a paper trail, the legal name attached to the credit card or paypal account or whatever, right ???Musk is already implying that you'll be able to pay with crypto lol.
maybe after all it wasn't such a great idea building global political discourse around a publicly traded business that anybody could buy out and do whatever the fuck they wanted with.Another piece of Obama's legacy :obama
maybe after all it wasn't such a great idea building global political discourse around a publicly traded business that anybody could buy out and do whatever the fuck they wanted with.
people correcting AOC in her replies are getting the boilerplate "weird nerds caping for musk" memesThere's some YouTube video they post a lot about how you shouldn't engage the alt-right, just tell them to shut the fuck up because they're all dishonest and will manipulate/sealion/JAQoff/botspam/troll/etc. you into harming democracy. (You can tell if someone is alt-right by if they say something you don't like.) And outright Nazis like anyone who defends anything that will lead to fascism (free speech, civil liberties, rational thinking, etc.) you just need to do what we do when we defeated Nazis the first time. Not to mention how anyone who corrects you with facts or logic is someone you need to block for your personal safety.
:mindblown
it's literally true, it's not defending anyone
AOC: "Trump says the moon was constructed by the Jews, get this dangerous antisemite out of politics"
humans: "...what, no he didn't say that"
AOC stans: "WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING TRUMP LOL BLOCKED"
just curious what comes nextlawyers and court rooms.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587891883421798400 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587891883421798400):playa
THE SNEETCHES
by Theodor Geisel (1961)
Now, the Star-Belly Sneetches
Had bellies with stars.
The Plain-Belly Sneetches
Had none upon thars.
Those stars weren't so big. They were really so small
You might think such a thing wouldn't matter at all.
But, because they had stars, all the Star-Belly Sneetches
Would brag, "We're the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches."
With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they'd snort
“We'll have nothing to do with the Plain-Belly sort!"
And whenever they met some, when they were out walking,
They'd hike right on past them without even talking.
When the Star-Belly children went out to play ball,
Could a Plain-Belly get in the game...? Not at all.
You could only play if your bellies had stars
And the Plain-Belly children had none upon thars.
When the Star-Belly Sneetches had frankfurter roasts
Or picnics or parties or marshmallow toasts,
They never invited the Plain-Belly Sneetches.
They left them out cold, in the dark of the beaches.
They kept them away. Never let them come near.
And that's how they treated them year after year.
Then ONE day, it seems...while the Plain-Belly Sneetches
Were moping and doping alone on the beaches,
Just sitting there wishing their bellies had stars...
A stranger zipped up in the strangest of cars!
"My friends," he announced in a voice clear and keen,
"My name is Sylvester McMonkey McBean.
And I've heard of your troubles. I've heard you're unhappy.
But I can fix that. I'm the Fix-it-Up Chappie.
I've come here to help you. I have what you need.
And my prices are low. And I work at great speed.
And my work is one hundred per cent guaranteed!"
Then, quickly, Sylvester McMonkey McBean
Put together a very peculiar machine.
And he said, "You want stars like a Star-Belly Sneetch...?
My friends, you can have them for three dollars each!”
“Just pay me your money and hop right aboard!"
So they clambered inside. Then the big machine roared
And it clonked. And it bonked. And it jerked. And it berked
And it bopped them about. But the thing really worked!
When the Plain-Belly Sneetches popped out, they had stars!
They actually did. They had stars upon thars!
Then they yelled at the ones who had stars from the start,
"We're exactly like you! You can't tell us apart.
We're all just the same, now, you snooty old smarties!
And now we can go to your frankfurter parties."
"Good grief!" groaned the ones who had stars at the first.
"We're still the best Sneetches and they are the worst.
But, now, how in the world will we know," they all frowned,
"If which kind is what, or the other way round?"
Then up came McBean with a very sly wink
And he said, "Things are not quite as bad as you think.
So you don't know who's who. That’s perfectly true.
But come with me, friends. Do you know what I'll do?
I'll make you, again, the best Sneetches on beaches
And all it will cost you is ten dollars eaches.”
Belly stars are no longer in style," said McBean.
"What you need is a trip through my Star-Off machine.
This wondrous contraption will take off your stars
So you won't look like Sneetches who have them on thars."
And that handy machine
Working very precisely
Removed all the stars from their tummies quite nicely.
Then, with snoots in the air, they paraded about
And they opened their beaks and they let out a shout,
"We know who is who! Now there isn't a doubt.
The best kind of Sneetches are Sneetches without!"
Then, of course, those with stars all got frightfully mad.
To be wearing a star now was frightfully bad.
Then, of course, old Sylvester McMonkey McBean
Invited them into his Star-Off Machine.
Then, of course from then on, as you probably guess,
Things really got into a horrible mess.
All the rest of that day, on those wild screaming beaches,
The Fix-it-Up Chappie kept fixing up Sneetches.
Off again! On again!
In again! Out again!
Through the machines they raced round and about again,
Changing their stars every minute or two.
They kept paying money. They kept running through
Until neither the Plain nor the Star-Bellies knew
Whether this one was that one...or that one was this one
Or which one was what one...or what one was who.
Then, when every last cent
Of their money was spent,
The Fix-it-Up Chappie packed up
And he went.
And he laughed as he drove
In his car up the beach,
"They never will learn.
No. You can't teach a Sneetch!"
But McBean was quite wrong. I'm quite happy to say
The Sneetches got really quite smart on that day,
The day they decided that Sneetches are Sneetches
And no kind of Sneetch is the best on the beaches.
That day, all the Sneetches forgot about stars
And whether they had one, or not, upon thars.
The end.
Thought for the day: If Twatter were to disappear tomorrow, would democracy be better or worse off?Assumes facts not in evidence.
Better, because journalists would actually have to go back to actually researching and speaking to real sources instead of just linking a tweet and thinking of a one line zinger for a headline.
Thought for the day: If Twatter were to disappear tomorrow, would democracy be better or worse off?
Better, because journalists would actually have to go back to actually researching and speaking to real sources instead of just linking a tweet and thinking of a one line zinger for a headline.
https://twitter.com/growing_daniel/status/1587636218782568448 (https://twitter.com/growing_daniel/status/1587636218782568448)I see the blue check sycophants/nobodies are taking this well
https://twitter.com/tara_chara/status/1587898660884549640 (https://twitter.com/tara_chara/status/1587898660884549640)
also keep looking benjihttps://twitter.com/RobertKazinsky/status/1587929030120341504
i need it to get new followers when i repost what you find
https://twitter.com/Sigmundine2/status/1587548144937615363
https://twitter.com/Sigmundine2/status/1587548144937615363
Providing more context to a story, classic Soviet tactic
What still amuses me the most is the 180 from "Twitter is a private company, they can do what they want" after Trump got banned to "Twitter is too important to be in the hand of a private individual" after Musk bought it
Thought for the day: If Twatter were to disappear tomorrow, would democracy be better or worse off?Nah because it's not a vacuum where the existence of twitter is the problem. If twitter disappears there will be a new app at some point, where all these people flock to. Just like MySpace dying didn't stop people from having online friends.
Better, because journalists would actually have to go back to actually researching and speaking to real sources instead of just linking a tweet and thinking of a one line zinger for a headline.
here's my genuine question of the day: will we ever know if twitter is actually dying/performing worse, either as a global service or in terms of the underlying technology failing, or will it just be a series of "owns" shouted loudly without proper evidence from both sides?
What still amuses me the most is the 180 from "Twitter is a private company, they can do what they want" after Trump got banned to "Twitter is too important to be in the hand of a private individual" after Musk bought itFACT CHECK: It's not hypocritical because their position is there should only be Good Private Owners and Elon Musk is Bad.
Well, he seems to be pretty bad at it. :elonFiring existing management is a totally normal thing for new owners to do.
I have a crazy theory.
Anyone, right or left, who complains about shadow banning and shit like that has 99% of the time no idea what they're talking about
She couldn’t eat the tendies before or after filming the video? :kobeyuckGotta appeal to the feeder base too.
She couldn’t eat the tendies before or after filming the video? :kobeyuckThat was the best part though.
https://twotter.xyz/ (https://twotter.xyz/)"Free speech."
Im going to sell my Tesla stock. At the end of the day, this will end poorly for musk.
Not because of the blue check meltdowns, but simply because the companies that spend the most on ads are very risk conscious. Companies like Toyota, Progressive Insurance, Proctor and Gamble etc have nothing to lose by leaving twitter ads. The vast majority of people that consume Twitter content do it 2nd hand via embedded tweets in articles and such where no ads are displayed.
She couldn’t eat the tendies before or after filming the video? :kobeyuckThat was the best part though.
Im hearing rumors that Tesla engineers are visiting blue checks at night and executing them with a shot to the head. This isnt being reported on twitter because any post about it is immediately deleted. By the time the people realize whats happening it will be too lateIt's really sus that there's nothing on Twitter about this. Elon's is having his censors cleanse the platform completely of free speech. That's how you know there must be something to this.
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1588257225260138497 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1588257225260138497)
Trump was right when he said she was just like him. :doge
It's funny because it seems like such an avoidable issue. Give people their 60 day notice, what difference does it really make for musk?
https://twitter.com/TheHorrorGuru/status/1588004069439901698
https://twitter.com/TheHorrorGuru/status/1588004069439901698
What people forget about the cave thing is AFTER the kids were rescued, Musk said he would send in a submarine anyway just to prove he was right.
Of course he never did
It's funny because it seems like such an avoidable issue. Give people their 60 day notice, what difference does it really make for musk?
How does the saying go...the cruelty is the point. Granted these are top tier employees who will be snatched up in a heart beat. But uncertainty is never a good thing, and certainly not when it comes to losing healthcare during what is supposed to be open enrollment.
We'll see what happens. The state of California and the AG will likely go pretty hard on this but at the same time, he can probably delay this legally. I was confident he was fucked on the Twitter deal case (and turned out to be correct) because rich people were involved. A class action lawsuit tho...ehhh. Who knows. Maybe the AG wants to be the next senator from CA and goes wild on this. We'll see.
https://twotter.xyz/ (https://twotter.xyz/)From the folks that brought you this
https://twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1588569650136109061I thought this was fake lmaooo
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
https://twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1588569650136109061
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
https://twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1588569650136109061
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
i'm confused, how is the added context doing anything but reinfoce what he just stated? what am i missing?
https://twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1588569650136109061
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
i'm confused, how is the added context doing anything but reinfoce what he just stated? what am i missing?
Musk: Theyre leaving because of activists
Fact check reality: Theyre leaving because Musk fired all the content moderators
Also, if you dont see it on your account, the fact checks dont always show up.
Why does Musky need advertiser money in order to have free speech?
If a childish employee can suspend major accounts without oversight, and it’s celebrated, can’t act surprised when a supreme man child like musk does it.
(https://i.redd.it/adv8jl968zx91.jpg)Clearly, Musk is only targeting the best Twatter employees for termination. The best.
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1588565313188417536 (https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1588565313188417536)
:elon
Nintex, you need to use real sources not tweets :karen
Well I went directly to the source of your sources :snob
https://imgur.com/gallery/bf8lkQh
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:doge :doge :doge
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1588565313188417536[/url]Please don't post disinformation sources like Ben Collins on The Bire, thank you.
Whenever twitter sends me one of those ad-tweet surveys, ("do you remember seeing an ad about x") i always respond noThey still fed you the ad though
lick my balls corpo shitters :lol
1/ There is some pretty substantial context about Twitter's 2023 revenue and advertisers that I think partly help explains why Musk is really losing it...
And it involves upfront ad sales. Let me explain...
2/ Back Twitter (like a lot of digital companies) participates in an event called new fronts. At this event, they sell large chunks of ads for the following year.
Typically, Twitter sells like ~600-900M in ads at new fronts. That's guaranteed revenue for following year.
3/ This year, they didn't sell much of anything.
A coalition called Stop The Deal spent time educating and using media buyers and big advertisers at the event to ask Twitter some basic questions about potential Musk takeover before giving him a guaranteed income for 2023.
4/ Media buyers did ask those questions. Twitter had zero answers or assurances, the presentation imploded and ended shockingly early. Twitter from what I understand basically sold almost nothing and locked in extremely little 2023 revenue.
5/ This means that instead of heading into 2023 with 15-20% of 2023 already secured as they typically would have, Twitter heads into next year with almost none of that. All because of Musk's red pilled edgelord approach.
6/ @elonmusk has had months to address these concerns or even learn about them. But instead, he's insisted on antagonizing the very businesses and people that sustain Twitter.
Back in May, the groups and companies weren't calling for a boycott, they were asking basic questions.
7/ My point here is: It's actually worse than that I think a lot of people even appreciate all because Musk's conduct and commitments to roll back brand safety and community safeguards essentially obliterated Twitter's new front sales event that woulda secured 2023 revenue.
Doesn't the amount of shit you're allowed to say about Elon Musk on Twitter sort of prove his point that he doesn't plan on censoring people?
Doesn't the amount of shit you're allowed to say about Elon Musk on Twitter sort of prove his point that he doesn't plan on censoring people?
Is never Musk fault. :awesomeOr maybe we should be rational instead of being lunatics because we've decided to hate a dude.
In a statement posted on the microblogging site, Mr Dorsey - who quit as CEO in November and left the board of directors in May - said Twitter staff "are strong and resilient. They will always find a way no matter how difficult the moment. I realize [sic] many are angry with me. I own the responsibility for why everyone is in this situation: I grew the company size too quickly. I apologize [sic] for that."https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63527893?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_campaign=64&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_medium=custom7&at_custom3=%40BBCWorld&at_custom4=C64426B2-5D2F-11ED-962C-1AF44744363C&at_custom2=twitter
"I am grateful for, and love, everyone who has ever worked on Twitter. I don't expect that to be mutual in this moment...or ever…and I understand," he added.
His statement appeared to endorse the need for dismissals at the firm. The 45-year-old Mr Dorsey has been supportive of Mr Musk's takeover.
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:lol
Now... What kind of person would be willing to say yes to that?
https://mobile.twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1589075543420325888
:lol
Now... What kind of person would be willing to say yes to that?
:lol
Now... What kind of person would be willing to say yes to that?
i was laid off once, but i never took it personally since it was just an order from the parent org "get rid of so and so many people". pretty much the same scenario as the twitter thing
i just said "i don't accept that" and let the union sort it for me. no big deal. worked there for another 10 years :elon
:lol
Now... What kind of person would be willing to say yes to that?
i was laid off once, but i never took it personally since it was just an order from the parent org "get rid of so and so many people". pretty much the same scenario as the twitter thing
i just said "i don't accept that" and let the union sort it for me. no big deal. worked there for another 10 years :elon
“Union”?
What kind of commie gobbledygook is that? :kinison
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1589127834005819392
https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1589339117279903744Been suspended since I posted this. :lol
I am genuinely curious about how random people used to get blue checks
because from what I understand, it's been possible to pay or game your way into them for a long time now, which is evidenced by all the random nobodies who have them and cherish them
there must be forums or discords where people swap tips or give each other "ins" right?
was it as simple as paying for a bot farm and getting vouched for in some incestuous network like breadtube?
I am genuinely curious about how random people used to get blue checks
because from what I understand, it's been possible to pay or game your way into them for a long time now, which is evidenced by all the random nobodies who have them and cherish them
there must be forums or discords where people swap tips or give each other "ins" right?
was it as simple as paying for a bot farm and getting vouched for in some incestuous network like breadtube?
Idiots: I'M GOING TO DELIBERATELY VIOLATE LONG ESTABLISHED TWITTER RULES TO SOMEHOW SPITE ELON
*Idiots get banned*
Idiots: ELON IS SHUTTING DOWN MY FREE SPEECH ON BEHALF OF THE SAUDIS TO STEAL THE ELECTION
:doge :doge :doge
But it used to be free. And the service is still the same to declare it is better…
You guys are sounding like Musk fanboys day by day…
:doge :doge :doge
But it used to be free. And the service is still the same to declare it is better…
You guys are sounding like Musk fanboys day by day…
Look on the bright side, it's not free anymore.
They all have to pay for it!
:doge :doge :dogeLove you constantly calling us Musk fanboys just because we aren't hateful lunatics losing our shit because some dumb "elites" will have to openly pay for special services that will also be open to the masses.
But it used to be free. And the service is still the same to declare it is better…
You guys are sounding like Musk fanboys day by day…
:doge :doge :doge
But it used to be free. And the service is still the same to declare it is better…
You guys are sounding like Musk fanboys day by day…
Look on the bright side, it's not free anymore.
They all have to pay for it!
Then why act like is Elon master plan when is clear the guy is desperate for making buck fast?
:doge :doge :dogeLove you constantly calling us Musk fanboys just because we aren't hateful lunatics losing our shit because some dumb "elites" will have to openly pay for special services that will also be open to the masses.
But it used to be free. And the service is still the same to declare it is better…
You guys are sounding like Musk fanboys day by day…
But I have expressed that I don’t care about people paying or not (he’ll, I even agreed that must internet nobodies are the ones more affected by this), just that it is not going to be successful and that could backfire spectacularly.Yet you're crying about us being "Elon fanboys" because we don't think it's the end of the world and think it's funny that morons are losing their minds.
Who cares about what anyone thinks about Elon Musk.
But I have expressed that I don’t care about people paying or not (he’ll, I even agreed that must internet nobodies are the ones more affected by this), just that it is not going to be successful and that could backfire spectacularly.Yet you're crying about us being "Elon fanboys" because we don't think it's the end of the world and think it's funny that morons are losing their minds.
Did I say it was the end of the world, Benji?Did I say you said it? ???
How is laughing at morons caring about Elon Musk? ???
I just dunno if I can call another assholes morons when the big moron is Elon himself. :yeshrug
Because the biggest moron has been Musk. :elonThis does not make any sense at all.
I just dunno if I can call another assholes morons when the big moron is Elon himself. :yeshrugBecause the biggest moron has been Musk. :elonThis does not make any sense at all.
Dude has a rocketship and car company, and he's wasting his time being a janny for 60-year old women shitposting on social media. :lol
So it's being a fanboy to notice people being incredibly stupid because someone else is also stupid? Okay, you have fun with that fanboy of incredibly stupid people.
Hes got the same thin skin as EviloreI think Musk could probably take him in a fight too, despite Lore's thousands of fights worth of experience.spoiler (click to show/hide)But his IQ is indeed 50 points higher[close]
benji you've let the mask slip a few times now, you're pro-Musk, we all know it. Come out of the closet of neutrality already.What can I say? I've been with a number of African Americans (including first "real" girlfriend) before. :trumps
benji you've let the mask slip a few times now, you're pro-Musk, we all know it. Come out of the closet of neutrality already.What can I say? I've been with a number of African Americans (including first "real" girlfriend) before. :trumps
benji you've let the mask slip a few times now, you're pro-Musk, we all know it. Come out of the closet of neutrality already.What can I say? I've been with a number of African Americans (including first "real" girlfriend) before. :trumps
benji you've let the mask slip a few times now, you're pro-Musk, we all know it. Come out of the closet of neutrality already.What can I say? I've been with a number of African Americans (including first "real" girlfriend) before. :trumps
Can we charge $8 per post in the US Politics thread?
We can charge just benji, Nintex and Himu. One month would easily cover the webhosting costs of this site for over 100 years.Jokes on you, I'm a cheapskate. :snob
We can charge just benji, Nintex and Himu. One month would easily cover the webhosting costs of this site for over 100 years.Jokes on you, I'm a cheapskate. :snob
I'm going to spend my social media energy towards more productive things, starting with doing more Speedrunning on Twitch.
Just gonna say it, people who chase world-records are some of the saddest sad sacks I can only barely comprehend. Especially non-athletic records.
Human excellence should be celebrated. Speedrunning as a career should be lightly mocked.
Just gonna say it, people who chase world-records are some of the saddest sad sacks I can only barely comprehend. Especially non-athletic records.Honestly, we may need to shut down speedrunning until we can figure out what's going on.
Human excellence should be celebrated. Speedrunning as a career should be lightly mocked.
Just gonna say it, people who chase world-records are some of the saddest sad sacks I can only barely comprehend. Especially non-athletic records.Honestly, we may need to shut down speedrunning until we can figure out what's going on.
Human excellence should be celebrated. Speedrunning as a career should be lightly mocked.
Just gonna say it, people who chase world-records are some of the saddest sad sacks I can only barely comprehend. Especially non-athletic records.Honestly, we may need to shut down speedrunning until we can figure out what's going on.
Human excellence should be celebrated. Speedrunning as a career should be lightly mocked.
If it's legitimate speedrunning, society has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
Is Elno the new Drumpf? :kobeyuckhttps://twitter.com/benrains/status/1589443905959100417
https://twitter.com/CasuallyGreg/status/1589444749815353345
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:trigger
What still amuses me the most is the 180 from "Twitter is a private company, they can do what they want" after Trump got banned to "Twitter is too important to be in the hand of a private individual" after Musk bought it
why did you just sell and not buy puts
No need to announce your departure Whoopie, you're not a train, just fucking leave.
if you enjoyed ratioing people and dunking on others with goofs and jocularity, your engagement will be magnitudes less
Dunno man, I think I'd rather have Twatter idiots than the Spanish inquisition, but it's a close call.if you enjoyed ratioing people and dunking on others with goofs and jocularity, your engagement will be magnitudes less
This is abhorrent behavior that should be excised from humanity.
Like Pinocchio smoking a cigar, people are just too childish and stupid to realize it's actually bad for them.
If humans still exist in 50 years, this will be seen as humanity's most childish era.
if you enjoyed ratioing people and dunking on others with goofs and jocularity, your engagement will be magnitudes less
This is abhorrent behavior that should be excised from humanity.
Like Pinocchio smoking a cigar, people are just too childish and stupid to realize it's actually bad for them.
If humans still exist in 50 years, this will be seen as humanity's most childish era.
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People desperately leaving twitter while the only real policy enforcement so far has been to not allow impersonating someone else :lol
People desperately leaving twitter while the only real policy enforcement so far has been to not allow impersonating someone else :lolIt's all like that Whoopi clip above, they "feel" it's not good anymore, they "feel" the wrong people are back, they "feel" the whole vibe is ruined, Elon is messing with their follows, Elon is sending trolls to their replies, Elon is stopping their tweets from trending, Elon is desperately searching for his name to find all the criticism of him so he can silence it, etc. They want to DO SOMETHING about the horrific injustice of rich people owning their favorite website but all they can do is not post so they have to come up with a bunch of justifications for why this is somehow principled to do so they can be praised for it. And this requires them inventing hypothetical things that are supposed to have changed since Friday since all the actual good reasons to not post on Twitter are unchanged from the last few years these people have all been obsessively devoted to it.
Trump saved Twitter :trumps
that's actually an interesting thread, starting here:
https://twitter.com/stevekrenzel/status/1589700721121058817
the tl;dr is that a big company demanded that the twitter app track when users walked into its competitors' stores, eventually reaching a point of wanting to know every detail of when everyone left home, went to work, went to startbucks etc
the only reason this didn't happen is apparently this twitter protagonist with integrity, the Last Capable Engineer who went directly to jack dorsey and got him to shut down the project
also be very afraid that elon will not be so nice :omg
Criticizing whistleblowers for their timing is poor form and could lead to chilling effects imo. We don't know what's been going on in their lives or the decisions they've made. It's hard to make such serious moral judgments without much if any context.
Better to know than to not.
kathy griffin is at stake :-*
https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1589645384082952193
Dunno man, I think I'd rather have Twatter idiots than the Spanish inquisition, but it's a close call.if you enjoyed ratioing people and dunking on others with goofs and jocularity, your engagement will be magnitudes less
This is abhorrent behavior that should be excised from humanity.
Like Pinocchio smoking a cigar, people are just too childish and stupid to realize it's actually bad for them.
If humans still exist in 50 years, this will be seen as humanity's most childish era.
;)
the only reason this didn't happen is apparently this twitter protagonist with integrity, the Last Capable Engineer who went directly to jack dorsey and got him to shut down the project
also be very afraid that elon will not be so nice :omg
I also absolutely hate apps and just use the websites whenever possible, often have to choose to view in desktop mode to get them to work right because the mobile pages beg and plead and demand you use the appI have the Twitter app on my phone because at one point the videos weren't playing in Chrome but did in the app. But I've never used it otherwise. (I don't actually "go on Twitter" on my phone but for like embedded Bire video or something.) I go to the website for Twitter. But wait, there's more. I basically don't follow anyone but people I know and a few legacy follows from like 2009 or so. I literally go to the url for the account I want to look at. Like BadLegalTakes above, I don't follow it I just type t and "twitter.com" comes up and and I put "badlegaltakes" (or pick one of the suggestions) and then go to the page and look at it.
The company rolled out a new version of the app on Saturday with release notes that said the new Blue was now available. (The copy, written by Calacanis, was widely derided for sounding like a phishing email.) The problem is that Blue was not available, and so those who did subscribe found that they had merely gotten access to the current version of Blue.
Then, after a debate about the potential effects of unleashing thousands of new verified accounts onto the platforms in the middle of the US midterm elections, the company postponed the launch.
But the new Blue likely faces larger problems. The existing version only had a little more than 100,000 active subscribers, Platformer has learned. The new version will be 37.5 percent more expensive, and its value seems murky for most regular users of the platform. It’s unclear how the company will persuade enough people to subscribe to justify the effort.
Twitter employees tried to sell Musk and Sacks on the idea of asking business accounts to pay for extra features, since many of them use Twitter to reach large audiences. But they were dismissed in favor of offering wide-scale verification first, I’m told.
Other employees have warned about a secondary feature of the new Blue that Musk added at the last minute: reducing ad load in the Twitter app by half. Estimates showed that Twitter will lose about $6 in ad revenue per user in the United States by making that change, sources said. Factoring in Apple and Google’s share of the $8 monthly subscription, Twitter would likely lose money on Blue if the ad-light plan is enacted.
"The business fundamentals are just not there,” said one former employee who worked on the plans.
This was actually one of the things I figured but was surprised so many suddenly declared experts weren't talking about. This makes some sense, why give companies the ability to just pay $8 a month when you can strike specific deals with them? I'm not sure this isn't the "best" way to do it for organizations because you could let charities and advocacy organizations in for free and then negotiate with businesses. (I would include the Republican and Democratic Parties in the latter. :teehee)QuoteTwitter employees tried to sell Musk and Sacks on the idea of asking business accounts to pay for extra features, since many of them use Twitter to reach large audiences. But they were dismissed in favor of offering wide-scale verification first, I’m told.
https://www.platformer.news/p/musk-discusses-putting-all-of-twitter
This was actually one of the things I figured but was surprised so many suddenly declared experts weren't talking about. This makes some sense, why give companies the ability to just pay $8 a month when you can strike specific deals with them? I'm not sure this isn't the "best" way to do it for organizations because you could let charities and advocacy organizations in for free and then negotiate with businesses. (I would include the Republican and Democratic Parties in the latter. :teehee)QuoteTwitter employees tried to sell Musk and Sacks on the idea of asking business accounts to pay for extra features, since many of them use Twitter to reach large audiences. But they were dismissed in favor of offering wide-scale verification first, I’m told.
https://www.platformer.news/p/musk-discusses-putting-all-of-twitter
https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1589796702843998208
:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
QuoteThe company rolled out a new version of the app on Saturday with release notes that said the new Blue was now available. (The copy, written by Calacanis, was widely derided for sounding like a phishing email.) The problem is that Blue was not available, and so those who did subscribe found that they had merely gotten access to the current version of Blue.
Then, after a debate about the potential effects of unleashing thousands of new verified accounts onto the platforms in the middle of the US midterm elections, the company postponed the launch.
But the new Blue likely faces larger problems. The existing version only had a little more than 100,000 active subscribers, Platformer has learned. The new version will be 37.5 percent more expensive, and its value seems murky for most regular users of the platform. It’s unclear how the company will persuade enough people to subscribe to justify the effort.
Twitter employees tried to sell Musk and Sacks on the idea of asking business accounts to pay for extra features, since many of them use Twitter to reach large audiences. But they were dismissed in favor of offering wide-scale verification first, I’m told.
Other employees have warned about a secondary feature of the new Blue that Musk added at the last minute: reducing ad load in the Twitter app by half. Estimates showed that Twitter will lose about $6 in ad revenue per user in the United States by making that change, sources said. Factoring in Apple and Google’s share of the $8 monthly subscription, Twitter would likely lose money on Blue if the ad-light plan is enacted.
"The business fundamentals are just not there,” said one former employee who worked on the plans.
https://www.platformer.news/p/musk-discusses-putting-all-of-twitter
Absolutely zero planning went into this
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
Fast growth has led to overload and server glitches. Seeing economist Paul Krugman struggling to get his Mastodon account running, Musk on Monday mocked the upstart network.
"If you don't like Twitter any more there is awesome site called Masterbatedone," he wrote in a swiftly deleted tweet above a screenshot of Krugman's misfired toots.
Rochko, whose Mastodon foundation runs on a shoestring crowdfunded budget topped up with a modest grant from the European Commission, has found a particularly receptive audience among privacy-conscious European regulators.
Germany's data protection commissioner Ulrich Kelber is waging a campaign to get government bodies to close their Facebook pages, since, he says, there is no way of hosting a page there that conforms to European privacy laws.
Authorities should move to the federal government's own Mastodon instance, he says. The European Commission also maintains a server for European Union bodies to toot from.
"No exclusive information should be sent over a legally questionable platform," Kelber said earlier this year.
The idea behind it is great, a global communication utility not owned by a single individual or corporation.Yeah, but that's not what the people fleeing Twitter for it want.
on twitter, blocking someone you don't like has never been enough, you want them banned and gone forever, but the best you can do on the fediverse is block them or their node
If Mastodon is so decentralized, how do they handle illegal content? Overall this ironically sounds more like a libertarian's dream, not exactly what the Twitter liberals would want to escape to.
If Mastodon is so decentralized, how do they handle illegal content? Overall this ironically sounds more like a libertarian's dream, not exactly what the Twitter liberals would want to escape to.
If Mastodon is so decentralized, how do they handle illegal content? Overall this ironically sounds more like a libertarian's dream, not exactly what the Twitter liberals would want to escape to.
for the child porn obvs :jared
https://twitter.com/Em_alllam/status/1589663034686902272$8 :money
...surely this is a less environmentally friendly solution than Twitter?
https://twitter.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1589735961893556224"Not only kys, but do it with a bullet through your vagina."
I give that an 8/10 for disturbing creativity.https://twitter.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1589735961893556224"Not only kys, but do it with a bullet through your vagina."
:hmm
TWITTER JUST FUCKING DIE ALREADY$8 :money
(https://i.imgur.com/V4u5Cc7.gif)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fg1jXF-WAAAcTl2?format=jpg&name=small)
The blue ticks are now getting an "official" badge under their names
wtf why can't I buy this for $8 a month
The blue ticks are now getting an "official" badge under their names
wtf why can't I buy this for $8 a month
Lol it looks horrible
So a two caste system becomes a three-caste system.This was always my complaint, two castes is just so disgustingly American. The lower Blue Checks thinking they were equal with all Blue Checks is unacceptable.
Progress!
https://twit ter.c om/HeheWaitWhut/status/1590489781502611458
https://twit ter.c om/ThaReaI0J32/status/1590459464125386752
Honestly, I don't see any negatives right now
https://twit ter.c om/MisterRatt/status/1590632287544438784
:clap
https://twit ter.c om/HeheWaitWhut/status/1590489781502611458
https://twit ter.c om/ThaReaI0J32/status/1590459464125386752
Honestly, I don't see any negatives right nowhttps://twit ter.c om/MisterRatt/status/1590632287544438784
:clap
https://twitter.com/dBenShapiro/
https://twitter.com/pantscord/
https://twitter.com/ThaReaI0J32/
https://twitter.com/GeorgeWBushs/
https://twitter.com/MPTonyBlair/
again, I don't get the "lool look at musk's horrific twitter shitshow"
it's all swiftly dealt with and everyone who did it paid $8 for the meme and burned a phone number on it
no one is leaving twitter
https://twitter.com/HaysKali/status/1590729727459086337
:pika
no one is leaving twitter
Everyone stays to look at the train wreck but nobody sticks around to pick up the wreckage
again, I don't get the "lool look at musk's horrific twitter shitshow"They are calling attention to the threat of disinformation, it's simply too dangerous to be allowing people to tweet falsely to the zero people who would have been searching for Tony Blair accounts and that's why it's important to spread far and wide these fake Tony Blair accounts saying nothing interesting to make the danger known until Musk concedes and turns Twitter over to The People (who have been verified under the old system) as it used to be.
it's all swiftly dealt with and everyone who did it paid $8 for the meme and burned a phone number on it
again, I don't get the "lool look at musk's horrific twitter shitshow"They are calling attention to the threat of disinformation, it's simply too dangerous to be allowing people to tweet falsely to the zero people who would have been searching for Tony Blair accounts and that's why it's important to spread far and wide these fake Tony Blair accounts saying nothing interesting to make the danger known until Musk concedes and turns Twitter over to The People (who have been verified under the old system) as it used to be.
it's all swiftly dealt with and everyone who did it paid $8 for the meme and burned a phone number on it
…No, it is not. This is literally the democracy of the entire planet on the line and these Blue Checks are irresponsibly using their divinely granted platforms to bring about global fascism instead.
Guys, it is just trolling. Is not that complicated.
Of course, if you don’t care about Twitter, this is is a genuinely funny shitshow.
There are literally millions of lives at stake and you two are laughing?
Of course, if you don’t care about Twitter, this is is a genuinely funny shitshow.
That's the spirit
Twatter truly is the "town square" when people are literally begging in it. Congrats twatteratti, you've finally done it.There are literally millions of lives at stake and you two are laughing?
Of course, if you don’t care about Twitter, this is is a genuinely funny shitshow.
That's the spirit
https://twitter.com/prpltnkr/status/1589730134499946498
There are literally millions of lives at stake and you two are laughing?
Of course, if you don’t care about Twitter, this is is a genuinely funny shitshow.
That's the spirit
https://twitter.com/prpltnkr/status/1589730134499946498
https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1590881747746828288 (https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1590881747746828288)
For a flickering candle of hope in a dark world.
:goty2Quote from: Oh, for fuck's sakeFor a flickering candle of hope in a dark world.
What a wanker
Musk, who was forced to buy Twitter for $44 billion just two weeks ago after trying to back out of the deal, clearly has no idea what he’s doing with the social media company. The billionaire almost immediately fired half the Twitter staff, only to backtrack and ask some people to return because they were desperately needed to make the changes Musk wants to see at the site
...
Normally, Gizmodo would reach out to Twitter’s communications team for comment. But Twitter no longer has a communications team. In fact, Twitter doesn’t have much of a team at all, according to the latest reports. Several top Twitter executives quit on Thursday, including Twitter’s head of moderation and safety Yoel Roth, chief information security officer Lea Kissner, and chief compliance officer Marianne Fogarty.
And it looks like smart people at Twitter are concerned about the changes Musk is making to squeeze every last dollar out of the social media platform. Twitter has an agreement with the Federal Trade Commission that it will no longer user personal information to target ads. But Musk doesn’t have much interest in abiding by the FTC agreement, according to the Verge, and Musk’s personal lawyer was even quoted as saying, “Elon puts rockets into space, he’s not afraid of the FTC.” The fines for noncompliance could reach billion of dollars.
Apparently at least one lawyer inside Twitter has taken to Slack to say that Musk is acting against the best interests of Twitter’s users, which includes human rights activists and other dissidents who could face severe consequences if their identities are exposed. The unnamed lawyer even encouraged any Twitter employee to become a whistleblower and notify the FTC if workers “feel uncomfortable about anything you’re being asked to do,” according to the Verge.
Musk has even discussed the possibility this week that Twitter may need to declare bankruptcy, according to the Financial Times, which is an incredible place to be in such a short period of time. Remember, Musk took over the site just two weeks ago. It’s hard to imagine that literally anyone with half a brain could fuck things up this bad.
It’s hard to imagine that literally anyone with half a brain could fuck things up this bad.
If Twitter collapses after only two weeks of a new CEO, I don't care who that CEO is, that business has had some serious problems for a long time.
If Twitter collapses after only two weeks of a new CEO, I don't care who that CEO is, that business has had some serious problems for a long time.
If Twitter collapses after only two weeks of a new CEO, I don't care who that CEO is, that business has had some serious problems for a long time.Nope, the verified users (so not allowed to post misinformation) have assured me that Musk has ruined Twitter's massive financial success in just a week and it probably won't make it to Thanksgiving let alone the new year now because of Musk's FREEZE PEACH FOR $8 stupidity. We're just lucky he was able to ruin the company completely before he could destroy democracy like he nearly did on Tuesday and definitely would have if Twitter made it to 2024. If Musk wasn't the stupidest man on the planet he would have lulled everyone into a false sense of security while cashing the fat Twitter checks so he could unban Trump for 2024 and bring in the fascism he desires. Thankfully, the powerful conspiracy that operates all of society in pursuit of a singular goal is once again full of morons who can't walk and chew gum at the same time let alone run the most essential and profitable corporation on the planet as well as the average clickbait journalist or politically obsessed YouTuber who gives all their unparalleled business advice for free to the public constantly.
If Twitter collapses after only two weeks of a new CEO, I don't care who that CEO is, that business has had some serious problems for a long time.
If Twitter collapses after only two weeks of a new CEO, I don't care who that CEO is, that business has had some serious problems for a long time.
I know this is the thread, or at least the latest thread iteration, for terminally online people to point at others and go 'look at those terminally online people', so excuse me if I'm doing this wrong, but you don't consider the state of Twitter before and after the firings to be that evidence? It feels a bit contrarian to see what is happening and go, everyone is saying this is a disaster, but excuse me if I don't believe a bunch of blue-hairs. Getting rid of flabby middle management in the middle of a recession is just standard business practice. You can't cut people and make big structural changes while also making big changes to the product. A janitor is an essential employee when someone is shitting on the floor.The state of Twitter before: losing millions of dollars a day, never really profitable, no clear plan of monetization ever found.
Ya, that's true. I imagine the numbers work like this. There were 3,700 people cut. One of them was an activist UN Human Rights Advocates doing 'Important Work' for Ethiopia (insert starvation joke because it's the 90's) and if there was one of them, then we probably could find one for Chad, Syria, and the rest of them. Generalizing that, we have 195 activist UN Human Rights Advocates at Twitter, one for each county of course. And because we know no one does anything at twitter, we know that for every one person doing 'Important Work' for Ethiopia, there will be one doing 'Unimportant Work' for Ethiopia. Extrapolating that gets us to 390 useless employees who certainly weren't doing anything to improve the bottom line of the company or the user experience. Now we need to factor in each one of their unique managers who we can assume exist and don't do anything but manage the people doing 'Important and Unimportant Work': that's 780 people right there. That's already 20% of the people cut. An absolute nuthouse.You're probably lowballing the ratio of useless managers to useless employees, really.
This is a company that has been losing millions of dollars a day for how long yet somehow the burden has been completely shifted. :lol
Dave Troy
@davetroy
Investigative journalist addressing threats to democracy.
https://twitter.com/evan_greer/status/1590871245486112768
https://twitter.com/evan_greer/status/1591154143015866368
https://twitter.com/B3nSh4p1ro/status/1591492192350384129
Jack Dorsey does seem like the kind of soft touch who'd be easily convinced that bringing in loads of people was needed.Even better the loads of people they brought in apparently told them to hire more outside contractors to do the actual work :lol
A Twitter manager says laid-off engineers he's rehired are 'weak, lazy, unmotivated'
- A Twitter manager described laid-off engineers he rehired as "weak, lazy, unmotivated."
- A screenshot of what appeared to be Slack messages has circulated on the Blind app.
- A source confirmed the manager worked for Twitter and said his comments sparked much internal debate.
A Twitter manager who rehired engineers after they lost their jobs in the recent mass layoffs appeared to criticize them on the company's internal messaging system.
A screenshot of the comments made by the senior director of engineering were posted by another Twitter worker on the anonymous forum Blind. They read: "This is going to be the challenge. The engineers I am bringing back are weak, lazy, unmotivated, and they may even be against an Elon Twitter."
"They were cut for a reason, so we need to think of these people as just needing to be around until the knowledge transition is completed," the manager continued.
A source at Twitter who spoke on condition on anonymity confirmed the manager's identity to Insider. The individual's LinkedIn profile showed that they had worked for Twitter since 2013.
The manager has been contacted for comment by Insider.
The comments have sparked much internal debate on Slack, according to Insider's source.
A screenshot of the messages also circulated online, which was also shared by data journalist Joshua Byrd.
The managing editor of the tech-and-democracy focused newsletter Platformer, Zoë Schiffer, tweeted that she had confirmed the manager did work at Twitter but later deleted her tweet saying: "I don't think naming someone at his level is necessary (not because the screenshot isn't real)."
Insider also surveyed Blind, a forum where employees can hold anonymous conversations, and found a post asking users whether they thought Elon Musk would take action following the manager's comments.
Of 157 responses, 60 thought Musk would promote the manager, 56 thought he would do nothing and 41 said he would fire the individual.
Musk fired half Twitter's workforce after taking control, but a few days later some employees were already been asked to come back.
Twitter didn't immediately respond to a request for comment by Insider.
:elonThis seems like a dumb thing to do, Elon seems like the kind of guy who would call your bluff by posting internal spreadsheets on Twitter.
Heidi Legghttps://twitter.com/heidilegg/status/1591792818359599105
@heidilegg
Media Accountability. @IQSS @Harvard @ShorensteinCtr @Kennedy_School. Journalism=Democracy. Founder http://TheEditorial.com. Retweets—in awe. Canadian/American.
https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/1591902285403418624 (https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/1591902285403418624)Looks like that Eric bitch sat back down. His Twatter profile is :picard
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1591937998551130117 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1591937998551130117)
:elon
filler come get yo girl
https://twitter.com/animeweedfart69/status/1591121864172396546
The tweet roughly translates as:QuoteElon Musk, the new CEO of Twitter, has reprinted my picture on Twitter without permission, so please give me 1 billion for the usage fee. in dollars.
Satou Kentarou on Twitter
Cancel culture is out of control
https://mobile.twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1592539948745650176
Many people don't seem to understand that freedom of speech means the government won't censor you. It does not mean that private corporations can't restrict your speech.
Musk probably didn't get this either when he claimed he'd bring back "free speech" to Twitter.
Are the people he fires entitled to severance packages?Other than any minor legal requirements by the state this would depend on their contract if they have one. While tech companies are often unique, Twitter is old enough and has been public long enough that I would assume only the executives have them. Although that one guy had been there for a while he still seems to be more of a random engineer from what I saw.
If so, getting kicked out now may not be the worst thing. There is lots of demand for software engineers.
https://gizmodo.com/mastodon-toot-retired-twitter-tweet-equivalent-1849786221
Urge to install my own Mastodon instance rising :idont
Eugen Rochko, the software’s German creator, explained amid a flood of new users this month that he’d adopted the word “toot” early on at the urging of a popular Youtuber who’d offered him financial support as long as he continued using the term, which in addition to describing the noise created by a horn is — in American English at least — a synonym for the word “fart.”Gross.
Rochko said at the time he was unaware of the connotation.
Are the people he fires entitled to severance packages?
If so, getting kicked out now may not be the worst thing. There is lots of demand for software engineers.
https://twitter.com/EclipseShade69/status/1592689786049159168
https://twitter.com/thebeepthemeep/status/1592691821217746944
https://twitter.com/JoeyBFutureMVP/status/1592688742846050305
https://twitter.com/jimmyfallon/status/1592707609513324545
honestly should have led with this form initially and THEN done the mass firing once you weeded out the people who aren't hardcore
People really are that stupid James. They really are.
WTF would anyone stay?
The whole reason to crunch is for a massive payoff via an IPO or being bought by Google.
Or, in very specific cases, working "for the greater good" if youre into the "Mars for humanity" style dream.
Twitter offers neither.
Everyone knows he massively overpaid, so if he offloads it, it would be for significantly less.
And ranting about "potential bankruptcy" and slashing costs left and right doesnt exactly spell "big payoff soon".
Unless youre on a visa, "work 12 hour days so people can pay money to shitpost" is nobodies dream.
And while Elon is all about the "impending recession" talk, none of that is reflected in the data. Hiring is still robust. Walmart just reported very high sales. The big news about Amazon firing people? 1.2%.
https://twitter.com/greenTetra_/status/1592914266117795840
Who wouldn't want to work for a fickle narcissist who went to the Kim Jong-Un School of Leadership? So what's Elmo going to do now?You really got to stop picking up all your lingo from BlueAnon orbiting grifters my man. :jeanluc
I do not waste my time following these people around.You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical of this considering how much you post all their favorite scams like The Lincoln Project and are often on about every topic they are. BIONIC (and others) probably wishes I would refrain from telling people when they're being openly "cringe" anyway so they keep doing it.
I do not waste my time following these people around.You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical of this considering how much you post all their favorite scams like The Lincoln Project and are often on about every topic they are. BIONIC (and others) probably wishes I would refrain from telling people when they're being openly "cringe" anyway so they keep doing it.
Resignations Roil Twitter as Elon Musk Tries Persuading Some Workers to Stay
Mr. Musk, Twitter’s new owner, had given employees a Thursday deadline to decide whether to leave or stay “to build a breakthrough Twitter 2.0.”
Mr. Musk and his advisers held meetings with some Twitter workers whom they deemed “critical” to stop them from leaving, four people with knowledge of the conversations said. He sent out confusing messages about the company’s remote work policy, appearing to soften his stance on not allowing people to work from home before warning their managers, according to those people and internal emails viewed by The New York Times.
All the while, two people said, resignations started to roll in. By the deadline, 5 p.m. Eastern time, hundreds of Twitter employees appeared to have decided to depart with three months of severance pay, the people said. Twitter later announced via email that it would close “our office buildings” and disable employee badge access until Monday.
I don't really understand what Musk was planning there.
"Alright we're going hardcore, if you don't like that you can quit"
*People quit*
Musk: :pika
Either he's truly an idiot or he wanted people to quit
In a twist shocking no one, turns out that Musk is a fraud who has been lying about having a scientific degree for decades and actually was in the USA illegally for a few years.
Someone took the time to research this using publicly available court documents:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1593307541932474368.html
Blue checks don't like Musk so it doesn't count to themIn a twist shocking no one, turns out that Musk is a fraud who has been lying about having a scientific degree for decades and actually was in the USA illegally for a few years.
Someone took the time to research this using publicly available court documents:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1593307541932474368.html
Pretty sure that's doxxing according to bluechecks on twitter :ufup
announced via email that it would close “our office buildings” and disable employee badge access until Monday.(NYT)
https://twitter.com/SamAdlerBell/status/1593463977824071681
The panic about twitter dying is a bit curious. Pretty anecdotal but going by my follows it's mainly Americans who talk about how it's basically over while for Europeans it's just another day.
Also, while I'm not really sure if Musk knows what he's doing, this could be an interesting experiment in how many workers a social media website really needs
https://twitter.com/ChrisJBakke/status/1593622087603625988
How long until
"twitter has suffered a massive hack / user data breach"
?
Is Elon alone in the building?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593673844996288512
Cool, looks completely fair and balanced. Note sure how any 'side' could have issue with this.
One worker who wanted to resign said she had spent two days looking for her manager, whose identity she no longer knew because so many people had quit in the days beforehand. After finally finding her direct supervisor, she tendered her resignation. The next day, her supervisor also quit.
If you were Trump, what would you first tweet back be?
I would say "The 2020 election was stolen and the proof is in Hunters laptop"
QuoteOne worker who wanted to resign said she had spent two days looking for her manager, whose identity she no longer knew because so many people had quit in the days beforehand. After finally finding her direct supervisor, she tendered her resignation. The next day, her supervisor also quit.
:neogaf
If you were Trump, what would you first tweet back be?@realDonaldTrump
I would say "The 2020 election was stolen and the proof is in Hunters laptop"
She got banned for impersonating Elon to say ‘donate to democrats’ and then used her dead mom’s account to complain.
She’ll 100% be tweeting again by tomorrow.
yeah this is THE time to remain on payroll and let the automated systems keep you afloat, just hide in the empty maze of the building somewhere until they stop paying you
She got banned for impersonating Elon to say ‘donate to democrats’ and then used her dead mom’s account to complain.
She’ll 100% be tweeting again by tomorrow.
And it will be embarrassing because I have seen so many liberals tweet that they are leaving only to comeback. Like I have no idea who said what at this point, but I do have a vague sense of hypocrisy permeating the entire group of them.
“May harm our business” is an understatement. Failure to adhere to Apple and Google’s guidelines would be catastrophic, risking Twitter’s expulsion from their app stores and making it more difficult for billions of potential users to access Twitter’s services. This gives Apple and Google enormous power to shape the decisions Twitter makes.By Yoel Roth
Apple’s guidelines for developers are reasonable and plainly stated: They emphasize creating “a safe experience for users” and stress the importance of protecting children. The guidelines quote the Supreme Court justice Potter Stewart’s “I know it when I see it” quip, saying the company will ban apps that are “over the line.”
In practice, the enforcement of these rules is fraught.
In my time at Twitter, representatives of the app stores regularly raised concerns about content available on our platform. On one occasion, a member of an app review team contacted Twitter, saying with consternation that he had searched for “#boobs” in the Twitter app and was presented with … exactly what you’d expect. Another time, on the eve of a major feature release, a reviewer sent screenshots of several days-old tweets containing an English-language racial slur, asking Twitter representatives whether they should be permitted to appear on the service.
Reviewers hint that app approval could be delayed or perhaps even withheld entirely if issues are not resolved to their satisfaction — although the standards for resolution are often inferred. Even as they appear to be driven largely by manual checks and anecdotes, these review procedures have the power to derail company road maps and trigger all-hands-on-deck crises for weeks or months at a time.
Whose values are these companies defending when they enforce their policies? While the wide array of often conflicting global laws no doubt play a part, the most direct explanation is that platform policies represent the preferences of a small group of predominantly American tech executives. Steve Jobs didn’t believe porn should be allowed in the App Store, and so it isn’t allowed. Stripped bare, there’s a dismaying lack of legitimacy to the decisions here.
It’s this very lack of legitimacy that Mr. Musk, correctly, points to when he calls for greater free speech, and for the establishment of a “content moderation council” to guide the company’s policies — an idea Google and Apple would be right to borrow for the governance of their app stores. But even as he criticizes the capriciousness of platform policies, he perpetuates this same lack of legitimacy through his impulsive changes and tweet-length pronouncements about Twitter’s rules. In appointing himself “Chief Twit,” Mr. Musk has made clear that at the end of the day, he’ll be the one calling the shots.
It was for this reason that I ultimately chose to leave the company: A Twitter whose policies are defined by unilateral edict has little need for a trust and safety function dedicated to its principled development.
So where will Twitter go from here? Some of the company’s decisions in the weeks and months to come, like the near-certainty of allowing Donald Trump’s account back on the service, will have an immediate, perceptible impact. But to truly understand the shape of Twitter going forward, I’d encourage looking not just at the choices the company makes but at how Mr. Musk makes them. Should it materialize, will the moderation council represent more than just the loudest, predominantly American voices complaining about censorship — including, critically, the approximately 80 percent of Twitter users who reside outside of the United States? Will the company continue to invest in features like Community Notes, which bring Twitter users into the work of platform governance? Will Mr. Musk’s tweets announcing policy changes become less frequent and abrupt?
Longer term, the moderating influences of advertisers, regulators and — most critically of all — app stores may be welcome for those of us hoping to avoid an escalation in the volume of dangerous speech online. Twitter will have to balance its new owner’s goals against the practical realities of life on Apple and Google’s internet — no easy task for the employees who have chosen to remain. And as I departed the company, the calls from the app review teams had already begun.
She got banned for impersonating Elon to say ‘donate to democrats’ and then used her dead mom’s account to complain.
She’ll 100% be tweeting again by tomorrow.
And it will be embarrassing because I have seen so many liberals tweet that they are leaving only to comeback. Like I have no idea who said what at this point, but I do have a vague sense of hypocrisy permeating the entire group of them.
Attention is a hell of a drug :elon
One team known as Twitter Command Center, a 20-person organization crucial to preventing outages and technology failures during high-traffic events, had multiple people from around the world resign, two former employees said. The “core services” team, which handles computing architecture, was cut to four people from more than 100. Other teams that deal with how media appears in tweets or how profiles show follower counts were down to zero people.(NYT)
Im not a tech person, so I really have no concept as to how many engineers are needed to keep a website running.
For comparison, how many software engineers work full time at The Bore? How many were added to handle new registrations when that was opened up? How big is our health and safety team?
In my time at Twitter, representatives of the app stores regularly raised concerns about content available on our platform. On one occasion, a member of an app review team contacted Twitter, saying with consternation that he had searched for “#boobs” in the Twitter app and was presented with … exactly what you’d expect.
Im not a tech person, so I really have no concept as to how many engineers are needed to keep a website running.
For comparison, how many software engineers work full time at The Bore? How many were added to handle new registrations when that was opened up? How big is our health and safety team?
Just one.
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I think he took his severance earlier this year though.
Occam read the room, man. If you want to contribute maybe try a platitude like: Elon has a history of high expectations and exploiting workers. It's pretty :brain for Twitter employees to think that they wouldn't be treated just the same as someone working at Tesla and Space-X, despite never agreeing to work for those companies. This really just shows how entitled and unprofessional these people are for publicly complaining about being expected to work harder and cover for all the people who just got fired. Also, as a twitter user myself, I know for certain that they could have been working harder in any case. Like imagine publicly advocating for fair working conditions and not expect any consequences. The worst thing in all this is the tweets from SJWs exaggerating the situation, not the situation visa workers who can't leave now face.
My whole take on the situation is that at first I really didn't like this Musk guy, but then I saw a tweet where some loony compared his take over to apartheid, and now I just don't know what to think. Like clearly all sides are awful, but it's kind of nice when one of the most powerful people in the world can give a little push back, you know? Anyways, I think the rational position here is just to say that the world is as it is and anyone who expects anything different is nuts.
Oh, I just ventured into the Culture War thread and saw 100 more loony tweets shared by the best people. Kinda low key rooting for Musk now. It's funny how I'm generally anti-establishment and for workers but, those Twitter people man. I know just the kind of people they are and I don't like them.
I'm a pretty smart guy and to have my opinion changed so easily by the tweets from a bunch of terminally online losses really says something about them.
Cool, looks completely fair and balanced. Note sure how any 'side' could have issue with this. Wonder who Trump gets traded for. Also remember how five pages back, people where like it's day one of the take over and he hasn't made any changes to the moderation policy, guess all the SJWs are over reacting, who would have though?
And it will be embarrassing because I have seen so many liberals tweet that they are leaving only to comeback. Like I have no idea who said what at this point, but I do have a vague sense of hypocrisy permeating the entire group of them.So should I put in the newspaper that you're mad or not?
Imagine fucking Nintex
He's not mad, he's just having a bad run is all...Occam read the room, man. If you want to contribute maybe try a platitude like: Elon has a history of high expectations and exploiting workers. It's pretty :brain for Twitter employees to think that they wouldn't be treated just the same as someone working at Tesla and Space-X, despite never agreeing to work for those companies. This really just shows how entitled and unprofessional these people are for publicly complaining about being expected to work harder and cover for all the people who just got fired. Also, as a twitter user myself, I know for certain that they could have been working harder in any case. Like imagine publicly advocating for fair working conditions and not expect any consequences. The worst thing in all this is the tweets from SJWs exaggerating the situation, not the situation visa workers who can't leave now face.My whole take on the situation is that at first I really didn't like this Musk guy, but then I saw a tweet where some loony compared his take over to apartheid, and now I just don't know what to think. Like clearly all sides are awful, but it's kind of nice when one of the most powerful people in the world can give a little push back, you know? Anyways, I think the rational position here is just to say that the world is as it is and anyone who expects anything different is nuts.Oh, I just ventured into the Culture War thread and saw 100 more loony tweets shared by the best people. Kinda low key rooting for Musk now. It's funny how I'm generally anti-establishment and for workers but, those Twitter people man. I know just the kind of people they are and I don't like them.
I'm a pretty smart guy and to have my opinion changed so easily by the tweets from a bunch of terminally online losses really says something about them.Cool, looks completely fair and balanced. Note sure how any 'side' could have issue with this. Wonder who Trump gets traded for. Also remember how five pages back, people where like it's day one of the take over and he hasn't made any changes to the moderation policy, guess all the SJWs are over reacting, who would have though?And it will be embarrassing because I have seen so many liberals tweet that they are leaving only to comeback. Like I have no idea who said what at this point, but I do have a vague sense of hypocrisy permeating the entire group of them.So should I put in the newspaper that you're mad or not?
Imagine fucking Nintex
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nah my friends call me mad, but you should quote me as mr bad in your paper benji. Or use my given name of father mike.It appears I have been let go from the paper from talking about its operations publicly on the internet.
yeah this is THE time to remain on payroll and let the automated systems keep you afloat, just hide in the empty maze of the building somewhere until they stop paying you
Imagine fucking Nintex
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Fixed
Imagine Nintex getting fucked
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Fixed
QuoteIn my time at Twitter, representatives of the app stores regularly raised concerns about content available on our platform. On one occasion, a member of an app review team contacted Twitter, saying with consternation that he had searched for “#boobs” in the Twitter app and was presented with … exactly what you’d expect.
We used to be a society
Honestly this further demonstrates Twitter's technical incompetency. Somehow bewbs and penor are harder to find on YouTube and Google SafeSearch... :idont And those two don't even have hashtags explicitly telling the algorithm the content of the post... (I mean YouTube does have hashtags for uploads, but someone uploading porn doesn't tag it "#porn" like someone on Twitter would.)I don't see it as technical incompetency necessarily as much as different priorities. Google's goal is to scan everything in existence and identify it. Twitter's goal is... uh... well, let me get back to you on that if the new owner ever figures one out and sticks to it longer than a few hours.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593767953706921985 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593767953706921985)
:rejoice
Already ~200k votes at 65/35
100k more votes in literally seconds
When Donald Trump loses the next election, pillow guy is going to cite this poll as his main exhibit in his court filingYou seriously think he'd believe a poll run on MACHINES?!?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593673339826212864james, what's your Twitter account? I am going to report every single tweet as "negative" including anything you retweet. Especially if it's Splatoon art.
Hey Elon, those guys don't look very hardcore to me, they just look like nerds.Tech has been inflitrated by fake nerds for way too long.
The employee, whose identity remains anonymous, specifically pointed to a December 19th tweet from Trump, which asked his supporters to join him in “protest” of the 2020 election results. “Be there. Will be wild,” the tweet said. According to the anonymous employee, that message was seen by many within Twitter as directly responsible for the violence that followed, which left five dead and has resulted in more than 700 arrests.
When people say he used Twitter to do this no one means that it was because he organized the thing directly in a single tweet, but the months of unhinged election misinformation he constantly posted between losing the election and the Capital attack where he purposefully worked people into a frenzy. You're looking at a drop of water while standing in an ocean and going 'is this water?'
Yes, he has other options for doing bad things, therefore the reach of those options doesn't matter is a silly argument. Literally, you can see that banning him from Twitter worked just by looking at Nintex posts here. Whereas he would repost every dumbass thing Trump said 11 times a day before the ban, after he had to post second hand-tweets from Jared Kushner or some shit that went "Just spoke to the president, ..." or post the stupid Trump press releases that no one looked at but Nintex. If the cat is out of the bag you don't just let it wander the house, you put it back in the bag and drown it.
Also, yes AOC is a known exaggerater, so let's give uncharitable readings to everything she says just to further show what an exaggerater she is. What a fun game to do. It's not like repeatedly doing this day in day out is the reason why Nintex has the reasoning skills of a wombat.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1593790066987442176
This had me look up the evidence that Trump incited the riot on Twitter and it seems... quite flimsy? https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23205723/donald-trump-twitter-tweets-january-6th-us-capitol-rally-riot-stop-the-stealQuoteThe employee, whose identity remains anonymous, specifically pointed to a December 19th tweet from Trump, which asked his supporters to join him in “protest” of the 2020 election results. “Be there. Will be wild,” the tweet said. According to the anonymous employee, that message was seen by many within Twitter as directly responsible for the violence that followed, which left five dead and has resulted in more than 700 arrests.
Basically he announced the rally on Twitter and then people came. Seems like something he would have been able to do through a ton of other avenues as well? He's been successfully organizing rallies after his Twitter ban too. Twitter definitely played a big role in his rise during the presidential campaign but I think it's also fair to say that the cat is already out of the bag, whether he has an account or not
Enough with the nutjob shit.The less of the sell outs and censors remain, the better.
:tinfoil
Back to it-
https://mobile.twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1593770866457853957
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1593790066987442176
This had me look up the evidence that Trump incited the riot on Twitter and it seems... quite flimsy? https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23205723/donald-trump-twitter-tweets-january-6th-us-capitol-rally-riot-stop-the-stealQuoteThe employee, whose identity remains anonymous, specifically pointed to a December 19th tweet from Trump, which asked his supporters to join him in “protest” of the 2020 election results. “Be there. Will be wild,” the tweet said. According to the anonymous employee, that message was seen by many within Twitter as directly responsible for the violence that followed, which left five dead and has resulted in more than 700 arrests.
Basically he announced the rally on Twitter and then people came. Seems like something he would have been able to do through a ton of other avenues as well? He's been successfully organizing rallies after his Twitter ban too. Twitter definitely played a big role in his rise during the presidential campaign but I think it's also fair to say that the cat is already out of the bag, whether he has an account or not
The attempt on Mike Pence is a Q-level conspiracy from the people that told you Iraq had WMD's.
Basically the story goes that Mike Pence refused to leave with the Secret Service detail present as they were under orders to abduct, torture and/or kill him. Either at a remote location or simply by delivering him to the crowd.
While at the same time Trump had a fight with them in the car(?).
Not to mention the riot at the Capitol had already begun before Trump had ended his speech and called for a peaceful protest at the Capitol. By the time Alex Jones and the other protestors or those attending the rally arrived the Capitol was already breached.
In fact, the worries about security is why the Secret Service didn't allow Trump to join the protest. All in all January 6 was a string of unrelated events organized by different groups, including extreme right wing groups, former cops, anarchists, veterans and professional protestors.
Now you could argue that Trump created the opportunity for them to head for the Capitol under false pretenses. But that's like saying that the George Floyd protest was also a coup attempt (after all Trump had to hide in the White House bunker for security reasons). You could also blame Trump for not acting fast enough, however days or weeks prior they had specifically told him not to use emergency powers, call up the national guard or indeed involve the military at all. Thus on January 6th you had the strange situation where Nancy Pelosi and Schumer were watching the protest unfold and calling on Trump to send in the troops which is something they had specifically tried to prevent. After all they didn't approve the Trump administration way of cracking down on the protestors during the summer.
Trump should come back and his first and only tweet should be
"elon is a sad little nerd and he bought a broken website. Come find me on Truth Social where freedom is free."
Enough with the nutjob shit.
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Back to it-
https://mobile.twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1593770866457853957
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1593790066987442176
That's not really Twatter's fault though. That's all on herhttps://twitter.com/AOC/status/1593790066987442176
Fucking hell I hate Twitter. Elected federal representaties writing "Idk man" and following with pure snark is just fucking pathetic for our nation.
When people say he used Twitter to do this no one means that it was because he organized the thing directly in a single tweet, but the months of unhinged election misinformation he constantly posted between losing the election and the Capital attack where he purposefully worked people into a frenzy. You're looking at a drop of water while standing in an ocean and going 'is this water?'Without the amplification all of Trump's tweets received from left leaning media and the hysterical reaction to them, Trump would never have even been elected, let alone been able to organise what was a pretty poorly organised insurrection.
Yes, he has other options for doing bad things, therefore the reach of those options doesn't matter is a silly argument. Literally, you can see that banning him from Twitter worked just by looking at Nintex posts here. Whereas he would repost every dumbass thing Trump said 11 times a day before the ban, after he had to post second hand-tweets from Jared Kushner or some shit that went "Just spoke to the president, ..." or post the stupid Trump press releases that no one looked at but Nintex. If the cat is out of the bag you don't just let it wander the house, you put it back in the bag and drown it.
Also, yes AOC is a known exaggerater, so let's give uncharitable readings to everything she says just to further show what an exaggerater she is. What a fun game to do. It's not like repeatedly doing this day in day out is the reason why Nintex has the reasoning skills of a wombat.
You understand being contrarian doesn't make you smart Uncle? As well as engaging in the very low-effort snark comments that supposedly is the problem of other social media sites.
When people say he used Twitter to do this no one means that it was because he organized the thing directly in a single tweet, but the months of unhinged election misinformation he constantly posted between losing the election and the Capital attack where he purposefully worked people into a frenzy. You're looking at a drop of water while standing in an ocean and going 'is this water?'Without the amplification all of Trump's tweets received from left leaning media and the hysterical reaction to them, Trump would never have even been elected, let alone been able to organise what was a pretty poorly organised insurrection.
Yes, he has other options for doing bad things, therefore the reach of those options doesn't matter is a silly argument. Literally, you can see that banning him from Twitter worked just by looking at Nintex posts here. Whereas he would repost every dumbass thing Trump said 11 times a day before the ban, after he had to post second hand-tweets from Jared Kushner or some shit that went "Just spoke to the president, ..." or post the stupid Trump press releases that no one looked at but Nintex. If the cat is out of the bag you don't just let it wander the house, you put it back in the bag and drown it.
Also, yes AOC is a known exaggerater, so let's give uncharitable readings to everything she says just to further show what an exaggerater she is. What a fun game to do. It's not like repeatedly doing this day in day out is the reason why Nintex has the reasoning skills of a wombat.
Don't blame the medium, blame the people who facilitated these things, both intentionally and unintentionally.
When people say he used Twitter to do this no one means that it was because he organized the thing directly in a single tweet, but the months of unhinged election misinformation he constantly posted between losing the election and the Capital attack where he purposefully worked people into a frenzy. You're looking at a drop of water while standing in an ocean and going 'is this water?'
Yes, he has other options for doing bad things, therefore the reach of those options doesn't matter is a silly argument. Literally, you can see that banning him from Twitter worked just by looking at Nintex posts here. Whereas he would repost every dumbass thing Trump said 11 times a day before the ban, after he had to post second hand-tweets from Jared Kushner or some shit that went "Just spoke to the president, ..." or post the stupid Trump press releases that no one looked at but Nintex. If the cat is out of the bag you don't just let it wander the house, you put it back in the bag and drown it.
Also, yes AOC is a known exaggerater, so let's give uncharitable readings to everything she says just to further show what an exaggerater she is. What a fun game to do. It's not like repeatedly doing this day in day out is the reason why Nintex has the reasoning skills of a wombat.
If you spend your days constantly looking at bullshit, it eventually starts to influence you.
That goes for both Nintex and the people wasting all their time reading Resetera and posting about it here. It's not healthy.
You gain nothing of value. It just makes your mind rot away slowly. And you end up with a distorted view of reality, prone to stereotyped thinking.
If you spend your days constantly looking at bullshit, it eventually starts to influence you.
That goes for both Nintex and the people wasting all their time reading Resetera and posting about it here. It's not healthy.
You gain nothing of value. It just makes your mind rot away slowly. And you end up with a distorted view of reality, prone to stereotyped thinking.
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cursed image :yuck
https://twitter.com/ManMadeMoon/status/1594201559612608512
Btw. I didn't try to uncharitable read her. Like I bothered to Google the January 6 Twitter statements she referred to because I thought maybe I had missed something
“Be there. Will be wild,” the tweet said. According to the anonymous employee, that message was seen by many within Twitter as directly responsible for the violence that followed, which left five dead and has resulted in more than 700 arrests.
I'm glad that he clarified that what he was saying wasn't a lieHe seems to be implying that he falsely claims things are funny quite regularly.
twitter.com/triketora/status/1594348646396559361(https://i.imgur.com/P63iAKj.png)(https://i.imgur.com/OMdczBN.png)
:doge
So mastadon is moderated like reddit, where the worst dredges of society get their only happiness by arbitrarily blocking people?
Looooool
So mastadon is moderated like reddit, where the worst dredges of society get their only happiness by arbitrarily blocking people?
Looooool
mastodon.social is the equivalent of just one very large subreddit, like, you're not signing up to only see what's said in r/mastodon, you're signing up to view all of reddit (the fediverse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse))
basically every server is like a subreddit where the individual powertripping mods can ban you from there, but not from other subreddits
but they also have the ability to block entire other subreddits, so no one in THIS subreddit (mastodon) can see the icky people posting over in r/joerogan or whatever, because we decided collectively as the mastodon mods that they're transphobic over there and no one here should be able to read what they say
:dizzy
So mastadon is moderated like reddit, where the worst dredges of society get their only happiness by arbitrarily blocking people?
Looooool
mastodon.social is the equivalent of just one very large subreddit, like, you're not signing up to only see what's said in r/mastodon, you're signing up to view all of reddit (the fediverse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse))
basically every server is like a subreddit where the individual powertripping mods can ban you from there, but not from other subreddits
but they also have the ability to block entire other subreddits, so no one in THIS subreddit (mastodon) can see the icky people posting over in r/joerogan or whatever, because we decided collectively as the mastodon mods that they're transphobic over there and no one here should be able to read what they say
:dizzy
But like, nothing's stopping you from visiting the url directly right? I guess you'd have to make a new account there instead of reusing your mastodon.social account, but honestly that's better imo. My personality, posting style and content are all different depending on the context. I don't want all my shit tied together for easy doxxing either lol.
https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1594723126658576384
Sounds like people are ditching Mastodon and are now running to "hive" which is app only so far and has like three devs working on it
https://www.hivesocial.app/
While it’s extremely impressive that what is there on Hive has been built and maintained by two people, that raises some pretty serious questions about its ability to scale, and if you spend much time on the app, its shortcomings compared to much more established social media sites are pretty apparent.
- The app feels…fragile, like it’s about to break at a moment’s notice. There’s significant UI and loading lag a lot of the time, and it just does not feel technically stable. That may get worse the more people join.
- There is no desktop version of Hive Social…at all. It doesn’t exist, which is bad since at least half my Twitter time is on desktop.
- You can’t thread tweets, and it’s easy to lose track of comments.
- I don’t think you can embed Hive posts anywhere else.
Sharing an article on Hive doesn’t even give me a thumbnail preview, just a literal hyperlink.
- You can’t search people by name. Searching “Paul Tassi” or “@paultassi” turns up no results, you have to search “paultassi” only.
- Speaking of @ names, if Twitter’s new verification poses an identity-stealing problem, apparently on Hive multiple people can all claim the same @ name. I’m already seeing things like @Brand accounts that are definitely not the main company. If this gets more and more popular, this is about to start happening at scale, and be very bad.
So mastadon is moderated like reddit, where the worst dredges of society get their only happiness by arbitrarily blocking people?
Looooool
mastodon.social is the equivalent of just one very large subreddit, like, you're not signing up to only see what's said in r/mastodon, you're signing up to view all of reddit (the fediverse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse))
basically every server is like a subreddit where the individual powertripping mods can ban you from there, but not from other subreddits
but they also have the ability to block entire other subreddits, so no one in THIS subreddit (mastodon) can see the icky people posting over in r/joerogan or whatever, because we decided collectively as the mastodon mods that they're transphobic over there and no one here should be able to read what they say
:dizzy
But like, nothing's stopping you from visiting the url directly right? I guess you'd have to make a new account there instead of reusing your mastodon.social account, but honestly that's better imo. My personality, posting style and content are all different depending on the context. I don't want all my shit tied together for easy doxxing either lol.
Yeah, you would need to make a second account on that "rogue" server or find another server that chooses not to defederate others.
How is that different than Twitter? Closed source, just waiting to be bought out if it manages to get enough traction.
If you actually want full control, why not just run your own mastodon server?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/11/21/twitter-alternative-hive-social-is-having-a-viral-sign-up-moment/QuoteWhile it’s extremely impressive that what is there on Hive has been built and maintained by two people, that raises some pretty serious questions about its ability to scale, and if you spend much time on the app, its shortcomings compared to much more established social media sites are pretty apparent.
- The app feels…fragile, like it’s about to break at a moment’s notice. There’s significant UI and loading lag a lot of the time, and it just does not feel technically stable. That may get worse the more people join.
- There is no desktop version of Hive Social…at all. It doesn’t exist, which is bad since at least half my Twitter time is on desktop.
- You can’t thread tweets, and it’s easy to lose track of comments.
- I don’t think you can embed Hive posts anywhere else.
Sharing an article on Hive doesn’t even give me a thumbnail preview, just a literal hyperlink.
- You can’t search people by name. Searching “Paul Tassi” or “@paultassi” turns up no results, you have to search “paultassi” only.
- Speaking of @ names, if Twitter’s new verification poses an identity-stealing problem, apparently on Hive multiple people can all claim the same @ name. I’m already seeing things like @Brand accounts that are definitely not the main company. If this gets more and more popular, this is about to start happening at scale, and be very bad.
What a shitshow.
3) It gets acquired by Big Tech, and scaled up that way, given its initially attractive fun
By the way, what's going on with people saying it's difficult to sign up at mastodon?? You go to https://mastodon.social/ click on create account, select a server, enter a username, password and email address. You verify your email adress. You are done.
The Mastodon organization provides a partial list of servers -- about 100 -- on its joinmastodon.org site. You can filter the servers by geographic region, language, topic registration process and whether or not they're hosted by individuals or organizations. All servers on the official Mastodon site have agreed to follow the best practices of the Mastodon Server Covenant.
If you're just testing Mastodon out, you might consider one of the official server instances run by the Mastodon organization. While the first and biggest -- mastodon.social -- has temporarily paused registration, a newer mastodon.online server is still open and picking up the slack.
If you want a bigger list of Mastodon servers to review, your best bet right now is instances.social, which offers a sortable list of about 4,000 Mastodon servers, as well as a wizard-style app that helps you choose a server that fits your requirements.
The site provides useful data about each Mastodon instance, including number of users, number of "statuses" (posts), server uptime percentage and which versions of the Mastodon software it is running. It also lets you filter servers by language; minimum/maximum number of users; and prohibited/allowed content such as nudity, pornography, advertisements or entertainment spoilers. You can also click any instance name -- fosstodon.org, for example, a server devoted to open-source software -- to read a brief description of the community.
Once you're actually on a Mastodon site, you can learn about the instance from its "about" page, browse community users on its "explore" page or view recent posts on its "public" page.
You should read the server rules for each Mastodon instance to make sure it's a good fit, but don't worry too much about which server you join. You can follow users on other servers and join and leave as many Mastodon servers as you'd like. If you do move around, Mastodon allows you to migrate all of your followers and lists with you.
Each Mastodon instance will have its own sign-up process, but the vast majority are the same. You provide a username, email address and password, check the box agreeing to the terms of service and server rules, and click "Sign Up."
You'll then see a notification asking you to check your email for a verification message. Click the "Verify email address" in that email message, and you're done. You can now start posting on your Mastodon server and follow anyone in the Fediverse.
Because of the increased traffic to Mastodon servers since Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter, some of those registration emails are taking a long time to show up or never arriving at all.
When I registered for the mas.to server last week, I got a confirmation email in about 15 minutes. I'm still waiting for a verification email from sfba.social for a registration attempt three days ago. Be patient, and try a new server if you can't complete the registration for another.
After you verify your email address, your Mastodon account should be up and running. You can start posting or following people, though it will take a while to build up your feed. Web tools like Debirdify and FediFinder can jump-start the process by helping you find your Twitter contacts on Mastodon.
While most Mastodon servers offer the quick registration process described above, other, more private instances will ask that you apply for an invitation to the instance, which requires a manual review and longer registration time.
https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1594723126658576384
Sounds like people are ditching Mastodon and are now running to "hive" which is app only so far and has like three devs working on it
https://www.hivesocial.app/
How is that different than Twitter? Closed source, just waiting to be bought out if it manages to get enough traction.
If you actually want full control, why not just run your own mastodon server?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/11/21/twitter-alternative-hive-social-is-having-a-viral-sign-up-moment/QuoteWhile it’s extremely impressive that what is there on Hive has been built and maintained by two people, that raises some pretty serious questions about its ability to scale, and if you spend much time on the app, its shortcomings compared to much more established social media sites are pretty apparent.
- The app feels…fragile, like it’s about to break at a moment’s notice. There’s significant UI and loading lag a lot of the time, and it just does not feel technically stable. That may get worse the more people join.
- There is no desktop version of Hive Social…at all. It doesn’t exist, which is bad since at least half my Twitter time is on desktop.
- You can’t thread tweets, and it’s easy to lose track of comments.
- I don’t think you can embed Hive posts anywhere else.
Sharing an article on Hive doesn’t even give me a thumbnail preview, just a literal hyperlink.
- You can’t search people by name. Searching “Paul Tassi” or “@paultassi” turns up no results, you have to search “paultassi” only.
- Speaking of @ names, if Twitter’s new verification poses an identity-stealing problem, apparently on Hive multiple people can all claim the same @ name. I’m already seeing things like @Brand accounts that are definitely not the main company. If this gets more and more popular, this is about to start happening at scale, and be very bad.
What a shitshow.
Can I be your CEO.
Can I be your CFO
Can I be your CFO
You can be my Eduardo Saverin.
I'm getting the feeling that people just jump on the next new thing without really thinking much about it. Not sure how that site is planning to moderate content either.It reminds me of when there was a big deal about people leaving Substack because they wouldn't (and at the time said they didn't have enough people to) moderate authors for non-illegal content. All kinds of stories about the brave and stunning people who refused to participate with anywhere that allowed transphobia and were leaving for Ghost instead.
On second thought, you don’t even have to pay me :drool
can I draw your logo icon in mspaint
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1594861031670820864ALWAYS TRUST THE BIRE:
I expect him to create another Blue Check like system
If Elon were smart hed start a red check so we could have a red vs blue situation
For when he checks The Bire for advice
https://mobile.twitter.com/damienviel/status/1594323607970369539
The head of Twitter France quit, saying "it's over."
:dead What is it with the mainstream media and treating Twitter uber fucking seriouslyMy independently established theory is that they think their Twitter feed is literally reality, voice of the people or something. The number of stories they write based on something they saw on Twitter and sourced only from Twitter people (qualified or not) is too high for me to dismiss this theory.
they think their Twitter feed is literally reality, voice of the people or something.
QuoteI'm going to spend my social media energy towards more productive things, starting with doing more Speedrunning on Twitch.
newsfeed
Just gonna say it, people who chase world-records are some of the saddest sad sacks I can only barely comprehend. Especially non-athletic records.Brianna Wu finally streamed speedrunning on Twitch for the first time ever:
Human excellence should be celebrated. Speedrunning as a career should be lightly mocked.
QuoteI'm going to spend my social media energy towards more productive things, starting with doing more Speedrunning on Twitch.
newsfeedJust gonna say it, people who chase world-records are some of the saddest sad sacks I can only barely comprehend. Especially non-athletic records.Brianna Wu finally streamed speedrunning on Twitch for the first time ever:
Human excellence should be celebrated. Speedrunning as a career should be lightly mocked.
https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1595039467668226049
https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1595064382911922178
Then went back to tweeting multiple times like every single day since previously announcing giving up Twitter.
edit: The above claim is true, Wu is indeed the second fastest Peach speedrunner in Super Mario Advance. Second place of the two people who have posted times: https://www.speedrun.com/sma?h=Peach_Only-Any&x=9d8n35wd-9l75y1p8.z19wz9kq
Well now someone has to take second place from Wu.
wasn't wu running for congress or something?
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1595413143034920960
Suffice it to say, yikes.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1595413143034920960
i know he's the saddo who posts ALL of the trump clips, but has he also appointed himself internet hall monitor? :doge
MORE ENGAGEMENT TIME
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595473875847942146
So, after 23 pages of this shit thread, has any borean claiming to want leave it actually abandoned Twatter or are you all just giant pussies?
So, after 23 pages of this shit thread, has any borean claiming to want leave it actually abandoned Twatter or are you all just giant pussies?
I quit in 2020. :smug
And I'm also making my own site. :win
did twitter finally die forever due to historic mismanagement in the time it took the bire to return ???In spite of the many threats from blue check marks and non-blue check marks to quit and several alternative platforms being suggested, Twatter is, in fact, still alive. But don't worry, those people will quit as soon as possible...tomorrow maybe, or the next day...
A bunch of them are trying to get the media to convince Apple and Google to ban Twitter from the app stores until Musk sells or something.did twitter finally die forever due to historic mismanagement in the time it took the bire to return ???In spite of the many threats from blue check marks and non-blue check marks to quit and several alternative platforms being suggested, Twatter is, in fact, still alive. But don't worry, those people will quit as soon as possible...tomorrow maybe, or the next day...
Lol, based on what? Musk being a shit boss? Apple and Google have first hand experience/culpability there.A bunch of them are trying to get the media to convince Apple and Google to ban Twitter from the app stores until Musk sells or something.did twitter finally die forever due to historic mismanagement in the time it took the bire to return ???In spite of the many threats from blue check marks and non-blue check marks to quit and several alternative platforms being suggested, Twatter is, in fact, still alive. But don't worry, those people will quit as soon as possible...tomorrow maybe, or the next day...
(https://i.imgur.com/ZcPUDs2.png)"Say one thing wrong and you can be booted from that server (think a reddit mod getting pissy) and then what happens?"
Apparently Twitter's automated content flagging system doesn't work anymore. People have uploaded entire movies (cut into chunks) and terror videos, too, and they were not detected and deleted.
Now I'm legitimately curious what an Apple Walled Garden twitter clone exclusively for iDevices reception would be from bluetick tech bloggers, particularly ones whove been vocal about apples antitrust issuesApple bitches would eat that shit up. They get to be exclusive twice. Remember their reaction when Instagram went Android?
Now I'm legitimately curious what an Apple Walled Garden twitter clone exclusively for iDevices reception would be from bluetick tech bloggers, particularly ones whove been vocal about apples antitrust issues
Apparently Twitter's automated content flagging system doesn't work anymore. People have uploaded entire movies (cut into chunks) and terror videos, too, and they were not detected and deleted.
that's wild, could you link some of those movies so I can illegally watch them :playa
If rumors are to be believed, Apple is still going to launch a search engine, sometime... any day now. We've been hearing about it for almost 10 years, so it's got to be pretty close.
If rumors are to be believed, Apple is still going to launch a search engine, sometime... any day now. We've been hearing about it for almost 10 years, so it's got to be pretty close.
Do you mean Apple car?
Keeping him off as someone running for president could be seen as a form of election interference surely?
Keeping him off as someone running for president could be seen as a form of election interference surely?
I dunno, that seems weird
suppose I am banned from resetera because I called royalan fat
then I run for president, and they are forced to unban me and let me say what I like, otherwise they would be interfering in the process?
or the same for reddit, or youtube? what about a lesser race like guvnah? they HAVE to let anyone running for office have an account?
Now I'm legitimately curious what an Apple Walled Garden twitter clone exclusively for iDevices reception would be from bluetick tech bloggers, particularly ones whove been vocal about apples antitrust issues
dead beat jobs tried to do a social network based on music.
This is just Twitter's secret rules (Facebook has said the same thing) that's why Trump and MTG had personal accounts banned but still had their office accounts to tweet from (as MTG discovered) which are held to different rules. (And why they don't ban dictators, etc.) Also, if Trump had won the election he would have never been banned. The entire thing is because they irrationally freaked out and created a one-time exception that had never been used before or since.Keeping him off as someone running for president could be seen as a form of election interference surely?
I dunno, that seems weird
suppose I am banned from resetera because I called royalan fat
then I run for president, and they are forced to unban me and let me say what I like, otherwise they would be interfering in the process?
or the same for reddit, or youtube? what about a lesser race like guvnah? they HAVE to let anyone running for office have an account?
This is just Twitter's secret rules (Facebook has said the same thing) that's why Trump and MTG had personal accounts banned
https://twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/1572632908115886080This is just Twitter's secret rules (Facebook has said the same thing) that's why Trump and MTG had personal accounts banned
Wait. Lib Twitter banned Magic the Gathering? Are they on Master dong?
Good for the EU. Lies without consequence are the downfall of democracy.
What’s more, Mastodon software has no auto-update or even update-availability feature.
“You have to check the GitHub releases, personally,” Lendvay said. “I try to do that weekly. But for many, I would imagine they would hear through the grapevine. I've seen disparate versions running, so who knows what the consistency will be.”
“You have to check the GitHub releases, personally,” Lendvay said. “I try to do that weekly. But for many, I would imagine they would hear through the grapevine. I've seen disparate versions running, so who knows what the consistency will be.”
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how this very forum is updated.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how this very forum is updated.
You could simply run a python script that automatically checks github for updates.
By the way, I am not disagreeing, of course that could be automated. But it's not a severe issue.
You just don't get it, do you?
Good for the EU. Lies without consequence are the downfall of democracy.
Does this mean they should enforce mandatory content moderation on spastadon too?
Maybe the influx of new users will lead to more donations and mastodon will be able to afford a few more coders.
Elizabeth Warren says Elon Musk should not be able to go into a "dark room" alone and make decisions.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1598048008079540224 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1598048008079540224)
Later in the hearing, attorneys representing the DNC claim that the Democratic National Committee would be well within their rights to “go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way.”
Anyway, enough about how terrible Twitter is. We all know how terrible it is. That’s never going to change, by the way. I know some very good people who are working on making Twitter better, but I honestly don’t think they can overcome the institutional inertia that has allowed it to get to the point its at now. It may get incrementally better, but the fundamental problem of random, mostly-anonymous people being terrible isn’t going to change, because that’s not a Twitter problem. That’s a humanity — and specifically a social media — problem.
I thought I’d find something different. I thought I’d find a smaller community that was more like Twitter was way back in 2008 or 2009. Cat pictures! Jokes! Links to interesting things that we found in the backwaters of the internet! Interaction with friends we just haven’t met, yet! What I found was … not that.
I found a harsh reality that I’m still trying to process: thousands of people who don’t know me, who have never interacted with me, who internalized a series of lies about me, who were never willing to give me a chance. I was harassed from the minute I made my account, and though I expected the “shut up wesley”s and “go fuck yourself”s to taper off after a day or so, it never did. And even though I never broke any rules on the server I joined (Mastodon is individual “instances” which is like a server, which connects to the “federated timeline”, which is what all the other servers are), one of its admins told me they were suspending my account, because they got 60 (!) reports overnight about my account, and they didn’t want to deal with the drama.
I respect and support that person’s decision, because it’s a private server and it’s run with their time, energy, attention, and (presumably) money. I don’t agree with it at all, and I think it’s deeply unfair, as well as rewarding abuse of a reporting system that’s meant to protect users, but it’s their site and it’s their rules, and I can’t say I blame them. The people going after me were pretty awful, and I can only imagine that an admin would get fed up with them, too.
Before I leave, I want to just make something very clear, because I’ve spent most of my life being yelled at by people who don’t know me at all, and I want the record to be clear. 2/x
During GamerGate, I was dogpiled and mobbed and brigaded and attacked by thousands of accounts. I started using a blocklist that was supposed to help stop that. I did not know that the blocklist I signed up for also had a lot of trans women on it. When I found out, I did everything I could to remove those women from the list I shared. When there were still innocents on the list, I stopped sharing the list entirely. Despite this, a mob has decided that I’m anti-trans. 3/x
This lie that I am anti-trans, or anti-LGBQ, is deeply hurtful to me (I know it’s nothing like the pain LGBTQ people deal with every day, as they simply try to *exist* in a world that treats them so badly, but it is still hurtful in its own way to me). I just want to make it extremely clear: that is a lie, and the people spreading it are misinformed.
So I’m leaving the Fediverse, which has treated me with more cruelty, vitriol, hatred, and contempt than than anyone on the birdsite ever did. 4/x
I see this in the online space all the time now: mobs of people, acting in bad faith, can make people they don’t know and will likely never meet miserable, or even try to ruin their lives and careers (look at what they did to James Gunn). And those mobs’ bad behaviors are continually rewarded, because it’s honestly easier to just give them what they want. We are ceding the social space to bad people, because they have the most time, the least morals and ethics, and are skilled at relentlessly attacking and harassing their targets. It only takes few seconds for one person to type “fuck off” and hit send. That person probably doesn’t care and doesn’t think about how their one grain of sand quickly becomes a dune, with another person buried beneath it. That’s a huge problem that seems to be baked into social media, and I tried to mitigate it with a blocklist that I never intended to be problematic, but ultimately was. (And for what it’s worth, the part of me that wants to apologize to the people who ended up on it by mistake is overwhelmed by the part of me who was attacked really viciously by a lot of those people and feels like maybe blocking them wasn’t such a bad idea, after all.)
Like, I know that I’m not a transphobe, but holy shit that lie just won’t die, and right now as I am writing this, someone at Mastodon is telling me that I am, because people said so, and I should apologize to them. I mean, how am I supposed to respond to that, when it happens over and over and over again? “You’ve been lied to about me. Please give me a chance” just doesn’t seem like a viable way forward with people who are, for whatever reason, very, very angry. And these people seem to have an idea of me in their head that doesn’t fit with the idea of myself that I have in my head. It’s honestly caused me to rethink a lot of stuff. Like, am I really the terrible person they say I am? I don’t think I am, but I’m doing my best to listen, and when I say, “please stop yelling at me and let’s have a conversation that I can grow from” I get yelled at for “tone policing” and honestly I just get exhausted and throw up my hands. Maybe I’m not this person they tell me I am, but I represent that person in their heads, and they treat me accordingly? This is one of those times when my mental illness makes it very hard for me to know what’s objective reality and what’s just in my head.
relevant to twitter/mastodon shenanigans, I stumbled across a story from 4 years ago:This is the reality people like Wil created on Twatter and the internet more broadly yet they only seem to care when it affects them personally.
https://wilwheaton.net/2018/08/the-world-is-a-terrible-place-right-now-and-thats-largely-because-it-is-what-we-make-it/
TLDR:
wil wheaton was so mad at twitter that he left it 4 years ago, went to mastodon, and got so relentlessly abused for his perceived transphobia that he had to leave it too
(side note: wil knew some wonderful people on the inside of twitter who were quietly trying to uh, "fix" it...probably all fired now)QuoteAnyway, enough about how terrible Twitter is. We all know how terrible it is. That’s never going to change, by the way. I know some very good people who are working on making Twitter better, but I honestly don’t think they can overcome the institutional inertia that has allowed it to get to the point its at now. It may get incrementally better, but the fundamental problem of random, mostly-anonymous people being terrible isn’t going to change, because that’s not a Twitter problem. That’s a humanity — and specifically a social media — problem.
his experience at mastodon:QuoteI thought I’d find something different. I thought I’d find a smaller community that was more like Twitter was way back in 2008 or 2009. Cat pictures! Jokes! Links to interesting things that we found in the backwaters of the internet! Interaction with friends we just haven’t met, yet! What I found was … not that.
I found a harsh reality that I’m still trying to process: thousands of people who don’t know me, who have never interacted with me, who internalized a series of lies about me, who were never willing to give me a chance. I was harassed from the minute I made my account, and though I expected the “shut up wesley”s and “go fuck yourself”s to taper off after a day or so, it never did. And even though I never broke any rules on the server I joined (Mastodon is individual “instances” which is like a server, which connects to the “federated timeline”, which is what all the other servers are), one of its admins told me they were suspending my account, because they got 60 (!) reports overnight about my account, and they didn’t want to deal with the drama.
I respect and support that person’s decision, because it’s a private server and it’s run with their time, energy, attention, and (presumably) money. I don’t agree with it at all, and I think it’s deeply unfair, as well as rewarding abuse of a reporting system that’s meant to protect users, but it’s their site and it’s their rules, and I can’t say I blame them. The people going after me were pretty awful, and I can only imagine that an admin would get fed up with them, too.
how was wil transphobic? well, during GAMERGATE he used a poorly-coded block list which also blocked people who were engaging with the GAMERGATORS which included a lot of trans people, so he was inadvertently blocking a lot of trans peopleQuoteBefore I leave, I want to just make something very clear, because I’ve spent most of my life being yelled at by people who don’t know me at all, and I want the record to be clear. 2/x
During GamerGate, I was dogpiled and mobbed and brigaded and attacked by thousands of accounts. I started using a blocklist that was supposed to help stop that. I did not know that the blocklist I signed up for also had a lot of trans women on it. When I found out, I did everything I could to remove those women from the list I shared. When there were still innocents on the list, I stopped sharing the list entirely. Despite this, a mob has decided that I’m anti-trans. 3/x
This lie that I am anti-trans, or anti-LGBQ, is deeply hurtful to me (I know it’s nothing like the pain LGBTQ people deal with every day, as they simply try to *exist* in a world that treats them so badly, but it is still hurtful in its own way to me). I just want to make it extremely clear: that is a lie, and the people spreading it are misinformed.
So I’m leaving the Fediverse, which has treated me with more cruelty, vitriol, hatred, and contempt than than anyone on the birdsite ever did. 4/x
alt-right dogwhistles:QuoteI see this in the online space all the time now: mobs of people, acting in bad faith, can make people they don’t know and will likely never meet miserable, or even try to ruin their lives and careers (look at what they did to James Gunn). And those mobs’ bad behaviors are continually rewarded, because it’s honestly easier to just give them what they want. We are ceding the social space to bad people, because they have the most time, the least morals and ethics, and are skilled at relentlessly attacking and harassing their targets. It only takes few seconds for one person to type “fuck off” and hit send. That person probably doesn’t care and doesn’t think about how their one grain of sand quickly becomes a dune, with another person buried beneath it. That’s a huge problem that seems to be baked into social media, and I tried to mitigate it with a blocklist that I never intended to be problematic, but ultimately was. (And for what it’s worth, the part of me that wants to apologize to the people who ended up on it by mistake is overwhelmed by the part of me who was attacked really viciously by a lot of those people and feels like maybe blocking them wasn’t such a bad idea, after all.)
:thinkingQuoteLike, I know that I’m not a transphobe, but holy shit that lie just won’t die, and right now as I am writing this, someone at Mastodon is telling me that I am, because people said so, and I should apologize to them. I mean, how am I supposed to respond to that, when it happens over and over and over again? “You’ve been lied to about me. Please give me a chance” just doesn’t seem like a viable way forward with people who are, for whatever reason, very, very angry. And these people seem to have an idea of me in their head that doesn’t fit with the idea of myself that I have in my head. It’s honestly caused me to rethink a lot of stuff. Like, am I really the terrible person they say I am? I don’t think I am, but I’m doing my best to listen, and when I say, “please stop yelling at me and let’s have a conversation that I can grow from” I get yelled at for “tone policing” and honestly I just get exhausted and throw up my hands. Maybe I’m not this person they tell me I am, but I represent that person in their heads, and they treat me accordingly? This is one of those times when my mental illness makes it very hard for me to know what’s objective reality and what’s just in my head.
:thinking :thinking :thinking
Good for the EU. Lies without consequence are the downfall of democracy.I agree if this is true, I can't wait for the EU to start shutting down access to any website that allows anyone, especially foreigners (or worse, the British), to post on them. Blasphemy against the Church should be allowed no quarter anywhere.
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1598505803580841984
:yeshrug
Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, slurs against Black Americans showed up on the social media service an average of 1,282 times a day. After the billionaire became Twitter’s owner, they jumped to 3,876 times a day.
Slurs against gay men appeared on Twitter 2,506 times a day on average before Mr. Musk took over. Afterward, their use rose to 3,964 times a day.
And antisemitic posts referring to Jews or Judaism soared more than 61 percent in the two weeks after Mr. Musk acquired the site.
[...]
Last week, Mr. Musk proposed a widespread amnesty for accounts that Twitter’s previous leadership had suspended. And on Tuesday, he ended enforcement of a policy against Covid misinformation.
[...]
The lack of action extends to new accounts affiliated with terror groups and others that Twitter previously banned. In the first 12 days after Mr. Musk assumed control, 450 accounts associated with ISIS were created, up 69 percent from the previous 12 days, according to the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a think tank that studies online platforms.
Other social media companies are also increasingly concerned about how content is being moderated on Twitter.
When Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, found accounts associated with Russian and Chinese state-backed influence campaigns on its platforms last month, it tried to alert Twitter, said two members of Meta’s security team, who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak publicly. The two companies often communicated on these issues, since foreign influence campaigns typically linked fake accounts on Facebook to Twitter.
But this time was different. The emails to their counterparts at Twitter bounced or went unanswered, the Meta employees said, in a sign that those workers may have been fired.
I agree. Because social media isn't something that actually influences anything or causes any problems, the solution is just to personally log off to not be affected by it. You know the old saying, what happens on Facebook stays on Facebook and it doesn't lead to armed individuals patrolling ballot drop-offs and drag shows. Nor can someone actually like to use Twitter and be a proponent of making it better. Twitter is bad, so getting worse, shouldn't concern anyone and it's hypocritical and a secret shame to indulge in it.
Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, slurs against Black Americans showed up on the social media service an average of 1,282 times a day. After the billionaire became Twitter’s owner, they jumped to 3,876 times a day.
Slurs against gay men appeared on Twitter 2,506 times a day on average before Mr. Musk took over. Afterward, their use rose to 3,964 times a day.
what if someone were to go on a site like reddit or resetera and read something that makes them feel sad or angry?
what if someone were to go on a site like reddit or resetera and read something that makes them feel sad or angry? like if they heard about how russia is attacking ukraine and their despair led them to decide to attack russian people in the streets? or negative news about climate change could make someone develop crazy ideas about harming their neighbors for using gas-guzzling vehicles? can't we hold these sites responsible for allowing the propagation of such violence-inducing information?
ideally there would be a near universal ban on content that could make anyone feel negative toward anyone else, because people are unpredictable, and their tendencies toward violence find their inception in such threads
made-up leftwing violence like attacking Russians
Therefore the outcome is 1) there would be a near-universal ban on all speech
Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a think tank that studies online platforms.
The idea that people are not influenced by social media interactions is absurd.
We can not allow people to say "the Jews did a thing", which is a nice downplaying of what people actually say
Please, go on and expand on that Nintex. I'd like to hear your thoughts. What do you mean by 'funny'? What are you implying by this observed shift? Are those concerns mutually exclusive? Can a conversation shift without it implying something 'funny' about what is being argued? Do you think that those summaries are accurate to what has been said or are they a bit coloured by stances on the issues?I think all this panic over Twitter and Elon Musk is way overblown. As is the panic over Ye and Trump. In fact the panic is what keeps Trump's political brand alive to this day.
The idea that people are not influenced by social media interactions is absurd.
uh yeah man, I'm agreeing with you here ???
The concern is not about ownership, it's the concern of content getting worse under a new owner. Your point about just logging off being a solution to that and not doing so being hypocritical was dumb enough to warrant the sarcasm. To look at the way social media has compounded social issues over the last decade and then to write off any concern over that as moral panic just because you have seen a few Tweets of people saying the sky is falling because Musk bought Twitter is disingenuous from the start.
The concern is not about ownership, it's the concern of content getting worse under a new owner. Your point about just logging off being a solution to that and not doing so being hypocritical was dumb enough to warrant the sarcasm. To look at the way social media has compounded social issues over the last decade and then to write off any concern over that as moral panic just because you have seen a few Tweets of people saying the sky is falling because Musk bought Twitter is disingenuous from the start.
So explain to me how the pixels of social media are capable of transforming young men into mass murderers yet the pixels of Grand Theft Auto aren't?
Like you can just look for yourself and go history shows video games don't cause violence but hate speech does.
All you have pointed out is that social media is not the sole cause of violence? That is not a proof that it does not contributing factor. Also, those are a wild set of examples to pull from. Social media does no harm because Stalin and Buddy lived before social media. Explain that!
On the speech analogy that is like saying we shouldn't let gays on the forum because it riles up the Himus which is clearly a different response than saying Himu should be banned.
Cool reply man. Let's not focus on your perplexing women analogy.
Elon posting all of Hunter’s dick pics in 10!
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1598778884639653891
Ah, I see, so the women are the bigots in the analogy. And because we don't dictate how women dress, we also can not dictate bigotry. This makes a lot of sense, because, again, if we don't do one set of actions in one situation, it means that we can't do another set of actions in a different situation where those situations are connected on the tenuous analogy that a women dressing a certain way is the same as someone engaging in hate speech.
K again, you are just both-sidings the issue and trying to pretend no one can differentiate between people calling for bigotry to be shut down and bigots calling for gender-affirming care to be shut down. Just because, on abstraction, two groups of people are calling for two things to be shut down does not make them the same nor is it very hard to see the difference between the two unless you are stupid enough to twist yourself into dumb analogies.
Yep, for instance did you know that no real people died because of covid disinformation?
I bet there were 50 people in Christchurch who severely regret not logging off of 4chan in order to protect themselves from being shot, but they just couldn't admit to being addicted to it. Probably looking at cartoon frogs just before bullets started flying.What exactly are you two advocating for here?
And Taibbi is releasing it Tweet by tweet. :snoopThis was always the risk of giving it to someone like Taibbi. :elon
Yep, for instance did you know that no real people died because of covid disinformation?I bet there were 50 people in Christchurch who severely regret not logging off of 4chan in order to protect themselves from being shot, but they just couldn't admit to being addicted to it. Probably looking at cartoon frogs just before bullets started flying.What exactly are you two advocating for here?
Twitter had moderation before COVID and Christchurch, did after both those things and Musk has not said he will eliminate moderation and has even suggested things will be stricter than the Brandenburg standard despite previously suggesting all legal content will be allowed. 4chan and YouTube, two of the three websites Brenton Tarrant told police he used for inspiration, have and had moderation. Twitch and Facebook, two other websites with live streamed violence including mass shootings, have and had moderation. The only "large" website, 8chan, that refused to moderate (except people who made fun of its owners obviously) has all but been driven off the surface web specifically because it refuses to moderate illegal content such as child pornography.
There are bucketfuls of bodies piling up from the terrorism yet you seem not to want the perpetrators of these acts (people like yourself, who may semi-anonymously, who have posted legal content online) to avoid prison for what they've done. Do you want to change US and EU law to create a duty to moderate specific legal content, something that would violate current US and EU law and outlaw Twitter, Facebook, etc.?
And again, it is easy to determine hates speech and harassment. It is not some nebulous thing. Using the exact same words can mean different things depending on the context. This is basic linguistics.
Real question Benji, as the biggest free speech advocate here, why were you willing to engage with Himu on just about anything, but were quiet as a mouse when it came to his bigoted rants? I want us to have a concrete example to work on. Is this the correct response or sensible solution to bigotry? Is your stance, that this is just Himu and nothing can be done, and if others are uncomfortable they should leave?No poster has a duty to respond to anything, I would not post on a forum that compelled speech.
Real question Benji, as the biggest free speech advocate here, why were you willing to engage with Himu on just about anything, but were quiet as a mouse when it came to his bigoted rants? I want us to have a concrete example to work on. Is this the correct response or sensible solution to bigotry? Is your stance, that this is just Himu and nothing can be done, and if others are uncomfortable they should leave?No poster has a duty to respond to anything, I would not post on a forum that compelled speech.
You don't have a duty or a responsibility to do anything, I'm asking why didn't you. Is saying someone is wrong about something a limit on their free speech? Is banning a poster for hate speech a bridge too far?Uh, no, I support free speech.
I care about free speech but not religious nutters? Is that weird?
I value fighting hate over free speech. It's weird to me to see a value system that seemingly stops at free speech. Like there are things that get us going, and no one will be consistent about their values, but I truly do not understand about being passionate about free speech and then being able to dismiss bigotry as religious nuttery. And I see how that goes, as religious nuttery is free speech too, but man does that seem like bunk in practice. It's one thing to argue why laws need to respect that, it's another thing to argue for moderation to respect that, and it's totally another thing to make it a personal philosophy about engagement.I have no idea what you're even trying to accuse me of at this point.
I'm honestly asking because it feels like the Bore is evidence that the kind of free speech haven and hands-off moderation being at least implicitly argued for does not work.
I'm honestly asking because it feels like the Bore is evidence that the kind of free speech haven and hands-off moderation being at least implicitly argued for does not work.
what real-world violence can be traced back to statements made on thebore?
or it doesn't work because you find it distasteful and it makes you not want to post here? isn't that your decision and no one else's? as long as real world consequences don't occur beyond speech, what basis is there to criticize?
The saner ones get driven away and eventually only the refuse remains.
I value fighting hate over free speech. It's weird to me to see a value system that seemingly stops at free speech. Like there are things that get us going, and no one will be consistent about their values, but I truly do not understand about being passionate about free speech and then being able to dismiss bigotry as religious nuttery. And I see how that goes, as religious nuttery is free speech too, but man does that seem like bunk in practice. It's one thing to argue why laws need to respect that, it's another thing to argue for moderation to respect that, and it's totally another thing to make it a personal philosophy about engagement.I have no idea what you're even trying to accuse me of at this point.
You asked why I posted about one thing (you and Occam seemingly alleging that scores of deaths were directly caused by too much free speech) and did not respond to some other post (unspecified Himu post) and I told you. From this you decided I have "a value system that seemingly stops at free speech" and now after saying I didn't have a duty to respond to any posts you're back to attacking me for not responding to a specific post you wanted me to respond to but never asked me to? And what does any of this have to do with free speech? Or moderation?
I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm saying that in the same way I think people do not have a duty to help an old lady as she is getting robbed, people that don't help her are kind of gross, especially if they are the kind of people who have advocated to create the kind of situation where old ladies get robbed. You are advocating for minimal moderation, and then when something happens, 'going not my duty', or worse, saying nothing ought to be done because it goes against your personal free speech beliefs or infringes on others' free speech, as if free speech on the bore and in the law are the thing. You saw something and said nothing. You had no duty to say anything but you did have the option. Sure, you can argue that a duty is implied if you face the social stigma of me questioning you for not doing it, but I'm not going to buy that. The point is we have seen what you advocate for in action and I'm questing if that is actually good and something desirable. Sure free speech is a great value, and something no sane person would argue against, surely, but it seems like Himu is a decent case study against your philosophy in application. It seem like if you value free speech above all things, the solution to bigotry is to sit back and watch.What are you even talking about dude? When did I not respond to Himu because of something to do with free speech beliefs? When did I advocate for minimal moderation other than outline my general principles after you started asking?
You don't have a duty or a responsibility to do anything, I'm asking why didn't you. Is saying someone is wrong about something a limit on their free speech? Is banning a poster for hate speech a bridge too far?Uh, no, I support free speech.
Actually, I am accusing you of something. You did not reply to Himu's bigotry. You said that it was because of your lack of religious expertise. That is bullshit. Do you seriously think you need to be able to argue the Quran in depth to be able to say, 'this makes me or other people uncomfortable, knock it off our I'm done engaging with you?', I'm assuming that such a response goes against your notion of free speech and hence why it was not done.So you do think I have a duty to respond to posts you want me to? Whatever post you wanted me to respond but didn't ask me to I probably didn't even read, especially if it was a giant Himu post where I knew where it was going from the start. Apparently now my not responding to posts I didn't read is some kind of "notion of free speech"? And that I should be going around denouncing posters for posts I didn't even read? Even if I did read it now I have a duty to respond to it and try to convince Himu of the error of his ways rather than think "lol dum" and look at something else? Or else what? An accusation this is somehow a betrayal of my principles? Somehow proof that imprisoning people for speech is superior to free speech? Or just a warning that I'll be added to the list next?
If thinking posters should be able to respond to others and moderators should be able to ban posters is "miminal moderation" then, yes, I advocate for it. :lolYou don't have a duty or a responsibility to do anything, I'm asking why didn't you. Is saying someone is wrong about something a limit on their free speech? Is banning a poster for hate speech a bridge too far?Uh, no, I support free speech.
We do not agree. When did you advocate for minimal moderation? Right there bud.
You saw something and said nothing.
Do you seriously think you need to be able to argue the Quran in depth to be able to say, 'this makes me or other people uncomfortable, knock it off our I'm done engaging with you?'
Somehow proof that imprisoning people for speech is superior to free speech? Or just a warning that I'll be added to the list next?
You saw something and said nothing.Do you seriously think you need to be able to argue the Quran in depth to be able to say, 'this makes me or other people uncomfortable, knock it off our I'm done engaging with you?'
if you saw it then where were you? I see a lot of occam posts in proximity to himu, but no madrun
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Ok, now you are pretending to not be aware of what Himu was posting because you didn't read it as you did not want to engage with his bigotry. Again not a duty, just a schmuck for ignoring those posts while replying to others.Ah, so you were just being a complete asshole by accusing innocent people of having caused mass death. You didn't actually have any point here other than to spread hate and try to take me to task for something you claim I don't need to do and you never asked me to do.Somehow proof that imprisoning people for speech is superior to free speech? Or just a warning that I'll be added to the list next?
And there it is, we have already established that this was a non-sense thing from the start. You came in hot because of your free speech fetishism, trying to mischaracterize my argument as wanting the EU to imprison people for free speech, and get right back at it when trying to dismiss what is being said now. When you come in hot for this, but ignore Himu that says something about you and the things you value. Maybe it was a free speech thing, maybe religious expertise, maybe you didn't read his posts. Sure. And before you come back to duty or compelled speech, shut the fuck up.
You're right. I see that you are a dumb fucking animal. I see it, got to say it. Thanks for the motivation.
Ok, now you are pretending to not be aware of what Himu was posting because you didn't read it as you did not want to engage with his bigotry. Again not a duty, just a schmuck for ignoring those posts while replying to others.Ah, so you were just being a complete asshole by accusing innocent people of having caused mass death. You didn't actually have any point here other than to spread hate and try to take me to task for something you claim I don't need to do and you never asked me to do.Somehow proof that imprisoning people for speech is superior to free speech? Or just a warning that I'll be added to the list next?
And there it is, we have already established that this was a non-sense thing from the start. You came in hot because of your free speech fetishism, trying to mischaracterize my argument as wanting the EU to imprison people for free speech, and get right back at it when trying to dismiss what is being said now. When you come in hot for this, but ignore Himu that says something about you and the things you value. Maybe it was a free speech thing, maybe religious expertise, maybe you didn't read his posts. Sure. And before you come back to duty or compelled speech, shut the fuck up.
Let me know when you want to get back to free speech or moderation or Twitter or Elon Musk instead of whatever crawled up your ass about me personally for not meeting your undeclared standards.
You're right. I see that you are a dumb fucking animal. I see it, got to say it. Thanks for the motivation.
that's perfect, that's the kind of fiery intensity required to make sure hate is kept as far as possible from social media platforms
:wow
You're right. I see that you are a dumb fucking animal. I see it, got to say it. Thanks for the motivation.
You're right. I see that you are a dumb fucking animal. I see it, got to say it. Thanks for the motivation.
Careful, now. That sounds like hate speech. You don't want to make Uncle do a genocide.
Sure Benjo, will do. edit: Also cool conflation of hate speech and being mean. Great minds think a like.I did no such conflation.
Cool conflation of hate speech with being mean to you. Or do you identify as a dumb fucking animal now and think that's a protected group?
Sure Benjo, will do. edit: Also cool conflation of hate speech and being mean. Great minds think a like.I did no such conflation.
hate speech directed at the millions of bigots I'm accusing of being active participants in a horrific crime ... It's not odd to compare the plight bigots faceYou just did it again, you accused all these people of being bigots based on a single characteristic you know about them.
What the fuck is wrong with you people :mindblownLack of appropriate levels of moderation.
The saner ones get driven away and eventually only the refuse remains.Imagine calling the Shostacord the "sane" ones...lol
She pointed out that under the new leadership, Twitter is “taking child exploitation seriously.” However, there is still much work to be done. There is an ongoing lawsuit against the social media platform that began before Elon Musk purchased it. The plaintiffs, John Doe 1 and John Doe 2 were minors who were sexually exploited, and videos of that exploitation were posted to Twitter. When the two, who are now adults, begged Twitter to remove the content, Twitter refused.
The content that the plaintiffs wanted Twitter to remove had over 167,000 views and 2,223 retweets.
anyway, those tweets :whewGood on Ro Khanna, I don't necessarily see a concern with Twitter blocking whatever they want but he made a much better case against this than many of the people who just want to use it as an inciting event to hobble free speech overall.
twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598837337584062466
twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598838041371516929
anyway, those tweets :whewGood on Ro Khanna, I don't necessarily see a concern with Twitter blocking whatever they want but he made a much better case against this than many of the people who just want to use it as an inciting event to hobble free speech overall.
twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598837337584062466
twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598838041371516929
anyway, those tweets :whewGood on Ro Khanna, I don't necessarily see a concern with Twitter blocking whatever they want but he made a much better case against this than many of the people who just want to use it as an inciting event to hobble free speech overall.
twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598837337584062466
twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598838041371516929
I don't think you understand, Benji. The stochastic terrororisms of it all must be prevented! Hate speech kills more people than bullets! DO YOU NOW SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM?!?
You know I was on the fence on tolerance for gay people but some of Himu's posts recently have been mighty convincing and articulate amiright fellas?Literal bullets
I don't think you understand, Benji. The stochastic terrororisms of it all must be prevented! Hate speech kills more people than bullets! DO YOU NOW SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM?!?Unfortunately as a pacifist committed to non-violence there's nothing I can do.
You know I was on the fence on tolerance for gay people but some of Himu's posts recently have been mighty convincing and articulate amiright fellas?This isn't about you, narcissist, this is about the endless masses of slack-jawed morons out there who instantly adopt every component of the last thing they heard, often to the greatest extreme, who will then go out there and democracy wrong purely because of a quirk mandated by linear time.
Unfortunately as a pacifist committed to non-violence there's nothing I can do.
It was obviously glossed over by the MSM but the Hunter Biden censorship story is bigger than watergate. A couple of Twitter activists right then and there decided the election and willingly put the US at risk of blackmail.Like I said to another poster, you're allowed to think for yourself, you don't have to just repeat the exact phrasings you read on Twitter.
Holy shit, the Trump staffer mailing "at least pretend to care".
It was obviously glossed over by the MSM but the Hunter Biden censorship story is bigger than watergate. A couple of Twitter activists right then and there decided the election and willingly put the US at risk of blackmail. What's even more shocking is that they knew at the highest levels on the hill. No wonder Trump was so pissed at the Republicans.
Most western media is simply no better than north korean state TV but at least in North Korea they don't mix the lies with moral grand standing.
It really is a bombshell moment Benji the walls are closing in the President is under pressure to resign and very nervous according to people familiar with the matter.
Same place you can find Iraq WMD's :idontHoly shit, the Trump staffer mailing "at least pretend to care".
It was obviously glossed over by the MSM but the Hunter Biden censorship story is bigger than watergate. A couple of Twitter activists right then and there decided the election and willingly put the US at risk of blackmail. What's even more shocking is that they knew at the highest levels on the hill. No wonder Trump was so pissed at the Republicans.
Most western media is simply no better than north korean state TV but at least in North Korea they don't mix the lies with moral grand standing.It really is a bombshell moment Benji the walls are closing in the President is under pressure to resign and very nervous according to people familiar with the matter.
https://youtu.be/VGTMcyVx9-4
Only a handful of Twitter users who have threatened to leave the social network for open-source alternative Mastodon have actually deleted their Twitter accounts.:elon
An analysis of more than 140,000 Twitter users shows that although plenty of people have said they are leaving the site, only 1.6 per cent have wholly abandoned the platform, which was bought by entrepreneur Elon Musk in late October.
I know you do. That is kind of the issue. One is clearly hate speech directed towards LGBT people. Now I don't know if you actually see a difference between hate speech directed at this group vs hate speech directed at the millions of bigots I'm accusing of being active participants in a horrific crime (?) or if one is just hate and the other hate speech or if your free speech sensibilities lead you to think that hate speech isn't thing, which some people believe, or if you are just trying to make a quip. Either way, the hate is the same because once you abstract each group it's just a set of people being disliked. It's not odd to compare the plight bigots face to the plight of LGBT people at all. In the same way, it's not odd that uncle compared women and bigots. You clowns sharing accounts?
Anyways I'm done replying but I will let you know when I want to get back to free speech or moderation or Twitter or Elon Musk instead of whatever crawled up my ass about you personally for not meeting my undeclared standards.spoiler (click to show/hide)Teehee, Uncle, I'm seeing the next post and not saying anything. What a hypocrite! Good joke.[close]
I get your point, but it is not correct. It is not true that the only way to prevent bigotry is to change hearts and minds. That is, the only way to stop bigotry is to stop it from existing, but it is not the only way for it to stop harming other people, which is generally the main concern. I don't care what Himu thinks about gay people as long as he is not acting on it, which includes speech. We allowed him to say shit here, how did that help him change his mind? Who sat down with him and changed his mind? Is he the kind of person that will change his mind given evidence or just double down and make posts along the lines 'if you are all upset it means I'm doing it right'? Another example is incels. Just because banning incel communities does not fix these people's views on women or their self-esteem, it does not mean it doesn't stop them from egging each other on and making the situation worse. What is the evidence that suppressing speech further radicalizes people? You seem to be deducing that isolating them just prevents opportunities to change hearts and minds, which is true, but it only works on the assumption that changing hearts and minds is the ultimate goal and anything short of that doesn't solve bigoty. The issue with open communication is that is rarely works, and it works far less than the amount that bigoted communities recruit new members, leading to large communities that are easily insular and safe from criticism and more harm than good. This is also not to mention that the best way to prevent bigotry is to prevent them from becoming one in the first place, which is more likely to happen if such people can not be easily exposed to cush communities.
I agree that you can't kill an ideology. ... If it's not from a mosque, then it is most likely that he got it from online, which is a solvable thing. Or, maybe it is from a mosque and he is actively searching out online communities that support it, in which case it would be better if they did not exist.This is exactly the kind of thing that leads me into misinterpreting you into having the same goals as Occam.
I agree that you can't kill an ideology. ... If it's not from a mosque, then it is most likely that he got it from online, which is a solvable thing. Or, maybe it is from a mosque and he is actively searching out online communities that support it, in which case it would be better if they did not exist.This is exactly the kind of thing that leads me into misinterpreting you into having the same goals as Occam.
Sorry for replying to the content of your posts, in the future I will think about only replying to the posts that you want me to in the ways you want me to without ever informing anyone of this standard you will then hold against others who reply solely to the content of your posts and who have clearly aggravated you through objecting to imprisoning people for their speech. Especially their legal speech.
I'm obviously referencing the online communities not existing not mosques. Also saying it would be better if they didn't exist does not imply that the EU needs to set up gulags. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me think you don't argue in good faith when it comes to your free speech baby.What's the "solvable thing" you would propose for these online communities then? You ruled out legal changes.
I see accusing millions of people of being active participants in a horrific crime on the basis of a shared characteristic to be an equivalent form of hate as accusing LGBT+ people of being groomers, especially if in both cases you're saying "someone should do something to stop this" without getting specific about what you want, sorry.
Can I suggest some more liberal use of paragraphs in this thread please?
It's just a big long wall of text right now.
there's so little happening -- twitter not actually collapsing and no one actually leaving, hate speech moderated more or less the same as ever, twitter regaining lost advertisers and not being delisted anywhere -- that discussion just spirals into meta-analysisYou just can't see the stochastic terrorisms wreaking actual violence in this thread and in the greater Twatterverse, uncle. Stop it before you commit a genocide.
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there's so little happening -- twitter not actually collapsing and no one actually leaving, hate speech moderated more or less the same as ever, twitter regaining lost advertisers and not being delisted anywhere -- that discussion just spirals into meta-analysis:elon
:doge
So Musk, being the new homeowner, gets to set the rules because he is legally allowed to do so and it is uncouth to advocate against what the homeowner wants (and we can ignore the fact that the analogy of Twitter being a home and not social media with the same set of social standards is bunk). I assume the proposed solution to not being hurt is to just leave the neighborhood. This is a value claim that it is more important to respect the homeowner over respecting those who might be hurt by what goes on in that home. It also does not say how you think moderation should be, other than you being a guest should not have an opinion on moderation. I do not agree with this. The fact that you can not legally dictate what a homeowner does in their home, does not mean you should not advocate for them doing better, and this is where the analogy breaks down, because unlike someone owning a home, you can advocate for standards on social media. When you don't advocate for such standards, it seems like it is because you prefer minimal standards, or I guess, its just respect for the owners standards that is more important. Is it really uncouth to be publicly concerned with Musk's policies causing social harm?No, I am simply saying that if the owner has told you the rules, it's not good form to enter his property and complain about the rules. If you did it anyway and the owner dismissed your concerns, it is extremely bad form to try and debate it with him. If you continue it is highly likely he will consider you to be trespassing.
Additionally am I the only person who is concerned with stochastic terrorism and not calling for the criminalization of speech, because you have done the same thing you did above and assume that because you don't believe that moderation can prevent such things, it necessitates lawful intervention? You made a false inference that legal intervention was the inevitable outcome based on not seeing that others might have a different assumption. Likewise, and this is where it gets tricky, in terms of the law, other people, including myself, believe that there are degrees of free speech and it is not an all or nothing thing. I know you do not believe this, and I understand your argument, and it is not important here. But, you must understand, that given others beliefs that there are degrees of free speech, that then allows one to propose different solutions to stochastic terrorism, some involving legal intervention, BUT that does not mean that any concern about stochastic terrorism necessarily requires legal intervention? The reason why I say this is, because if you hold that freedom of speech is an absolute thing, as you do, it might cause you to dismiss actual claims about when or if legal intervention is being advocated for as just an attack on the absoluteness of free speech and thus lumping everyone into the same 'stochastic terrorism means no free speech' group. I know you say you just having seen anyone else make the argument this way, I'm saying maybe you didn't fairly consider what those arguments were because you value absolute free speech and do not like attacks on it. Again, just to be clear, this isn't saying that valuing absolute free speech is wrong, just that you seem to get hotheaded and prone to giving uncharitable readings when it comes to that and so maybe this 'stochastic terrorism' lump group isn't actually what you think it is.Yes, I am bigoted towards people who use the term "stochastic terrorism" unironically.
"Money is speech". You are not the billionaire who owns the social network? Tough luck, you don't get any say regarding the rules.We already know you don't want any press but the state press, but yes, in a liberal democracy you are not allowed to just take other people's property just because you want to unless you actually are the cops. (Ideally, even they would not be able to do this but apparently there was a loophole written on the back of the contract.)
Anyways I'm done replying
Anyways I'm done replying
Also....
It makes me wonder what those 7000+ employees were working on. Obviously they didn't need all of them to work on maintaining the site but it's also not like twitter constantly hit people with new updates or innovations. If the site doesn't evolve at all from now own it's probably going to be fine for quite a while.They were working on human rights issues and important issues such as protesting against Elon Musk.
Of course there's also content moderation but afaik is the actual grunt work of that outsourced to the Philippines where some poor sods have to look at all that graphic shit that needs to be deleted
It makes me wonder what those 7000+ employees were working on. Obviously they didn't need all of them to work on maintaining the site but it's also not like twitter constantly hit people with new updates or innovations. If the site doesn't evolve at all from now own it's probably going to be fine for quite a while.
Of course there's also content moderation but afaik is the actual grunt work of that outsourced to the Philippines where some poor sods have to look at all that graphic shit that needs to be deleted
I’m surprised how horrible everyone in this shitshow is regardless of being Pro or AntiMusk. Is like a bad miracle…
CIA spooks can no longer call the censors and get wrecked in the comments :rejoicehaha this guy lied to Congress about the crimes he was committing and nobody cared or cares, now he's lecturing people on Twitter about having class :american
https://twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/1601949081189900288
Elon Musk Is a Far-Right Activisthttps://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/12/elon-musk-twitter-far-right-activist/672436/
One tweet says it all.
By Charlie Warzel
If there’s one tweet that will tell you everything you need to know about Elon Musk, it’s this one from early this morning:
My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 11, 2022
In five words, Musk manages to mock transgender and nonbinary people, signal his disdain for public-health officials, and send up a flare to far-right shitposters and trolls. The tweet is a cruel and senseless play on pronouns that also invokes the right’s fury toward Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden, for what they believe is a government overreach in public-health policy throughout the pandemic and an obfuscation of the coronavirus’s origins. (Fauci, for his part, has said he would cooperate with any possible investigations and has nothing to hide.)
Beyond its stark cruelty, this tweet is incredibly thirsty. As right-wing troll memes go, it is Dad-level, 4chan–Clark Griswold stuff, which is to say it’s desperate engagement bait in the hopes of attracting kudos from the only influencers who give Musk the time of day anymore: right-wing shock jocks. But that is the proper company for the billionaire, because whether or not he wants to admit it, Musk is actively aiding the far right’s political project. He is a right-wing activist.
Currently, Musk’s politics are a subject of debate in the press. On Saturday, The New York Times’ Jeremy W. Peters attempted to offer a nuanced portrait of the Twitter owner’s ideologies, arguing that Musk “continues to defy easy political categorization.” But Peters’ laundry list of Musk’s recent lib-trolling and “woke” scolding—such as Musk’s November recommendation to his millions of followers to vote Republican—undermines the very thesis of the article. The nuance Peters is looking for does not exist: Musk’s actions and associations make a clear case that he is a right-wing reactionary.
Musk, for his part, has maintained that he is a centrist, that his politics have remained unchanged, and that it is the Democratic Party that has veered dramatically leftward. (Musk and Twitter did not immediately respond to a request for comment.) Musk’s logic—that wayward leftism has given a lifelong moderate liberal no choice but to support right-wing causes—is a common trope among far-right activists. It has been employed by many in the so-called Intellectual Dark Web and influencers such as Dave Rubin, Joe Rogan, Glenn Greenwald, and others. The argument stretches far back in American politics. The neoconservative movement in the United States was originated by liberals who grew disillusioned with the Democratic Party, especially in relation to the left’s Vietnam protests.
Beyond Musk’s political affiliations, his actual political convictions—by which I mean the bedrock set of values, ideologies, and organizing principles through which he sees the world and wishes it to be structured—are a slightly different conversation. Here, I tend to agree with The Verge’s Liz Lopatto, who wrote recently that Musk doesn’t really have political beliefs, only personal interests. But one can have vapid or nonexistent political beliefs and still be a political activist. Political activism is about actions. Here’s what those actions look like in practice:
I am gratified for the reinstatement of my account on Twitter and am grateful to @ElonMusk for his commitment to fairness and free speech.
God Bless America and thank you, Jesus.
— Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) December 7, 2022
I affirm your pronouns Elon.
— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (@RepMTG) December 11, 2022
Publicly, Musk appears deeply committed to the right’s culture war against progressivism in most forms. His purchase of Twitter was an explicitly political act couched in the notion of preserving free speech. But Musk’s notion of free speech is a broad course correction that involves amplifying and advancing the interests of right-wing reactionaries while trolling the left. Musk might argue that this is restoring balance to the system, but if we are judging based only on actions and outcomes, it is very hard to see his tenure at Twitter as anything other than a series of policies intended to benefit a particular ideology.
Musk also simply loves palling around with far-right influencers on Twitter. A scroll through his Twitter replies is a rather remarkable document of a man who has (or at least had) more money than any human being in the history of humanity, a fair amount of power, and an endless supply of options for how to spend his time, and who chooses to spend his time as a reply guy for prominent MAGA voices, such as a user who goes by the handle @catturd2 and Turning Points USA’s Charlie Kirk.
In a similar fashion, Musk’s “Twitter Files” project, for which he has been releasing Twitter’s old internal documents concerning controversial content-moderation decisions to independent journalists, is an attention spectacle dressed up in the style of investigative journalism designed to delight Musk’s Twitter friends. As I wrote on Friday, some of the internal conversations and screenshots from Musk’s company are fascinating documents that shed light on the intractable problem of content moderation at scale. But they are presented in a blatantly partisan and misleading manner, and have been released only to journalists who share Musk’s pet ideological issues: that the mainstream media is ethically bankrupt, that social media and most elite institutions are biased and colluding with the government.
The hypocrisy at the center of Musk’s Twitter tenure is crucial to the understanding of Musk’s political activism. He has championed ideals of free-speech maximalism and amnesty to those who’ve offended his rules. Twitter, under his management, has let back on organizers of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia; neo-Nazis such as Andrew Anglin; and January 6–investigation personalities such as Roger Stone. At the same time, Twitter has suspended accounts that have mocked Musk or expressed left-leaning views. Whether intentionally or not, Musk has, in effect, been governing Twitter using the classic Frank Wilhoit maxim: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Put differently, the billionaire has been advancing a long-running right-wing political project described recently by my colleague Adam Serwer as a “belief in a new constitutional right. Most important, this new right supersedes the free-speech rights of everyone else: the conservative right to post.”
Why is Musk doing all of this? The answer is reasonably simple. Musk’s far-right activism clearly seems to be, like all else in his life, personally motivated, not by a strong political ideology or value system but, as Lopatto argues, by the accumulation of money and “being perceived as a visionary who will reshape human society.” Musk is interested in preserving the political values and systems that keep him on top as a revered member of culture. It’s a philosophy that the writer John Ganz has described as “bossism” or “bosses on top.” For Musk, right-wing activism serves that role. Musk’s tweets—like his dismissive tweet this morning, or his concerning insinuations that, perhaps, his former trust-and-safety employees did not stop child-exploitation posts for motivated reasons—are cruel for the shallowest reasons: because they are likely to draw engagement to the platform that Musk has plunged into financial uncertainty, due to both his piling on of debt and his alienation of advertisers.
But even as a far-right shitposter, Musk is hapless. Unlike somebody such as Donald Trump, who remains the Twitter troll template, Musk is a try-hard. And although the Twitter shock jocks will happily lap him up because he triggers the libs and serves their purposes, Musk is still seen as a dilettante by the inveterate shitposters and bigots. Over on 4chan, the far-right message board, Musk’s Fauci tweet barely merited discussion. “Elon is just being controversial to drive traffic to his website,” one poster mused. Even in his thirsty attempts to be an edgelord, Musk is failing to be anything other than cringey.
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1602257153234194432
:walkaway
(But also boo at the twitter guy for not knowing that the horn is part of the catchphrase)
It’s difficult to tell from the videos precisely what percentage of the crowd was booing during the cringeworthy episode, but some on social media estimated it was the vast majority of people in the 18,000-capacity stadium.
This idiot is going up have nightmares about this for the rest of his life
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602305628734599168
I'm cackling
Odds of Musk shooting up one of his workplaces have gone upNot dramatic enough. He'll lock himself up in a SpaceX facility in Venezuela with his crew of weird nerds, Putin and Kanye surrounded by PMC's from the dissolved Russian Empire.
This is the type of dude we would have trolled the fuck out of.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
Technically it's not a lie, Apartheid Elton only mentioned banning, not shadow banning.
Odds of Musk shooting up one of his workplaces have gone upNot dramatic enough. He'll lock himself up in a SpaceX facility in Venezuela with his crew of weird nerds, Putin and Kanye surrounded by PMC's from the dissolved Russian Empire.
Threatening to crash Starlink sattelites into government buildings overrun by communists and woke power centers.
President Trump sends Secretary of State Tulsi Gabbard and FBI Director Joe Rogan to make a deal.
This idiot is going up have nightmares about this for the rest of his life
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602305628734599168
I'm cackling
Is there a go fund me for the hero that got the camera in
Kinda weird to write a whole article accusing someone of "far-right activism" while spending so much time of your article about this not leveling any specific accusations of any "far-right" views (except some incoherent nonsense from an idiot about how people have a "free speech right" to keep others off a platform they don't own) and instead explaining how you both do and don't think he has any actual "far-right" views.QuoteBeyond Musk’s political affiliations, his actual political convictions—by which I mean the bedrock set of values, ideologies, and organizing principles through which he sees the world and wishes it to be structured—are a slightly different conversation. Here, I tend to agree with The Verge’s Liz Lopatto, who wrote recently that Musk doesn’t really have political beliefs, only personal interests. But one can have vapid or nonexistent political beliefs and still be a political activist. Political activism is about actions.https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/12/elon-musk-twitter-far-right-activist/672436/
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The hypocrisy at the center of Musk’s Twitter tenure is crucial to the understanding of Musk’s political activism. He has championed ideals of free-speech maximalism and amnesty to those who’ve offended his rules. Twitter, under his management, has let back on organizers of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia; neo-Nazis such as Andrew Anglin; and January 6–investigation personalities such as Roger Stone. At the same time, Twitter has suspended accounts that have mocked Musk or expressed left-leaning views. Whether intentionally or not, Musk has, in effect, been governing Twitter using the classic Frank Wilhoit maxim: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Put differently, the billionaire has been advancing a long-running right-wing political project described recently by my colleague Adam Serwer as a “belief in a new constitutional right. Most important, this new right supersedes the free-speech rights of everyone else: the conservative right to post.”
Why is Musk doing all of this? The answer is reasonably simple. Musk’s far-right activism clearly seems to be, like all else in his life, personally motivated, not by a strong political ideology or value system but, as Lopatto argues, by the accumulation of money and “being perceived as a visionary who will reshape human society.” Musk is interested in preserving the political values and systems that keep him on top as a revered member of culture. It’s a philosophy that the writer John Ganz has described as “bossism” or “bosses on top.”
As first reported on The Bire weeks ago, the first new colored checks are out: underhydrated piss.
(https://i.imgur.com/w0wD3Ci.png)
Twitter dissolves Trust and Safety Council
Meanwhile, a former top Twitter official fled his home amid attacks following Musk tweets
Twitter on Monday night abruptly dissolved its Trust and Safety Council, the latest sign that Elon Musk is unraveling years of work and institutions created to make the social network safer and more civil.
Members of Twitter’s Trust and Safety Council received an email with the subject line, “Thank You,” that informed them the council was no longer “the best structure” to bring “external insights into our product and policy development work.”
The email dissolution arrived less than an hour before members of the council were expecting to meet with Twitter executives via Zoom to discuss recent developments
Dozens of civil rights leaders, academics and advocates from around the world had volunteered their time for years to help improve safety on the platform.
“We are grateful for your engagement, advice and collaboration in recent years and wish you every success in the future,” said the email, which was simply signed “Twitter.”
[...]
The Trust and Safety Council unraveled after Musk himself had pitched the creation of a content moderation council that would have weighed in on key content moderation decisions, but later appeared to change his mind about introducing such a body.
Many members were already on the verge of resigning, said Larry Magid, chief executive of ConnectSafely, a Silicon Valley nonprofit that advises consumers about children’s internet use.
“By disbanding it, we got fired instead of quit,” he said. “Elon doesn’t want criticism, and he really doesn’t want the kind of advice he would very likely get from a safety advisory council, which would likely tell him to rehire some of the staff he got rid of, and reinstate some of the rules he got rid of, and turn the company in another direction from where he is turning it.”
Twitter first formed the Trust and Safety Council in 2016, as social networks were coming under greater scrutiny for their role in amplifying hate, terrorism, child exploitation and other problematic content online. The council convened a wide range of civil society groups, think tanks — and even some of Silicon Valley’s biggest critics. Twitter executives would regularly brief the council on new products in development and policies.
The Committee to Protect Journalists, a non-profit that promotes press freedom around the world, decried the dissolution of the council. “Safety online can mean survival offline," the group’s president, Jodie Ginsburg, said in a statement. “Today’s decision to dissolve the Trust and Safety Council is cause for grave concern, particularly as it is coupled with increasingly hostile statements by Twitter owner Elon Musk about journalists and the media.”
[...]
The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which was a member of the council, will be “keeping a lookout for how they restructure,” said Gavin Portnoy, the center’s vice president.
“For the moment, we’ll continue to encourage reporting to the CyberTipline and hope to continue to have a seat at the table to address child safety on Twitter,” he said.
Last week, three members of the Trust and Safety Council resigned, warning that the “safety and wellbeing of Twitter’s users are on the decline.”
Musk responded to replies to their tweet announcing their resignation, writing, “It’s a crime that they refused to take action on child exploitation for years!”
Jack Dorsey, the company’s former CEO, responded to Musk, calling the claim “false.” But Musk’s comment nonetheless prompted a wave of threats and harassment at the board members who left the council, as well as some who remained.
Yoel Roth, Twitter’s former head of trust and safety, and his family were forced from their home after Elon Musk’s tweets misrepresented Roth’s academic writing about sexual activity and children. The online mob also sent threats to people Roth had replied to on Twitter, forcing some of Roth’s family and friends to delete their Twitter accounts, according to a person familiar with Roth’s situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to concerns about Roth’s safety.https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-twitter-harass-yoel-roth/
Musk’s followers also directed harassment at professors who reviewed the dissertation that Roth wrote in 2016, as well as at his graduate school, the University of Pennsylvania, the person said. The university did not respond to a request for comment.
As head of trust and safety at Twitter, Roth was involved in many of the platform’s decisions about what posts to remove and what accounts to suspend. His communications with other Twitter officials have been posted in recent days as part of what Musk calls the Twitter Files, a series of tweets by journalists Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss.
Musk’s tweets to his tens of millions of followers have for years prompted his supporters to deluge the targets of his ire with online threats — famously, a participant in the rescue of a boys soccer team trapped in a cave in Thailand, whom Musk branded “pedo guy.” But now that Musk owns one of the most powerful social networks in the world and has gutted the company division that previously policed online harassment, the stakes are even higher.
Musk tweets about Roth recalled the QAnon conspiracy movement, which claims incorrectly that Democratic Party leaders direct a child sex abuse network.
“Looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to access adult Internet services in his PhD thesis,” Musk tweeted Saturday, attaching a screenshot of Roth’s dissertation.
In the text, Roth suggested that services like the gay dating app Grindr should adopt safety strategies to accommodate teenagers using their platforms, rather than drive them out entirely. Musk also commented on a 2010 tweet in which Roth wrote, “Can high school students ever meaningfully consent to sex with their teachers?” Roth then linked to an article about a Washington State Supreme Court ruling about what age students can consent to having sex with their teachers.
Musk’s critical comments about Roth are something of an about-face from his early days at the company, when Roth appeared to be one of the few high-level Twitter executives Musk supported. On Oct. 30, the billionaire tweeted, “I want to be clear that I support Yoel. My sense is that he has high integrity, and we are all entitled to our political beliefs.”
As first reported on The Bire weeks ago, the first new colored checks are out: underhydrated piss.
(https://i.imgur.com/w0wD3Ci.png)
Roth’s academic writing about sexual activity and children.
As first reported on The Bire weeks ago, the first new colored checks are out: underhydrated piss.
(https://i.imgur.com/w0wD3Ci.png)
You can do really cool holofoil effects in pure CSS these days.
https://deck-24abcd.netlify.app/
Instead, they went with piss.
Twitter blue check marks made it very clear that these people were doing a "very bad job©®™" at making Twatter a "safe space" though...now we are led to believe they were essential?QuoteTwitter dissolves Trust and Safety Council
Meanwhile, a former top Twitter official fled his home amid attacks following Musk tweets
Twitter on Monday night abruptly dissolved its Trust and Safety Council, the latest sign that Elon Musk is unraveling years of work and institutions created to make the social network safer and more civil.
Members of Twitter’s Trust and Safety Council received an email with the subject line, “Thank You,” that informed them the council was no longer “the best structure” to bring “external insights into our product and policy development work.”
The email dissolution arrived less than an hour before members of the council were expecting to meet with Twitter executives via Zoom to discuss recent developments
Dozens of civil rights leaders, academics and advocates from around the world had volunteered their time for years to help improve safety on the platform.
“We are grateful for your engagement, advice and collaboration in recent years and wish you every success in the future,” said the email, which was simply signed “Twitter.”
[...]
The Trust and Safety Council unraveled after Musk himself had pitched the creation of a content moderation council that would have weighed in on key content moderation decisions, but later appeared to change his mind about introducing such a body.
Many members were already on the verge of resigning, said Larry Magid, chief executive of ConnectSafely, a Silicon Valley nonprofit that advises consumers about children’s internet use.
“By disbanding it, we got fired instead of quit,” he said. “Elon doesn’t want criticism, and he really doesn’t want the kind of advice he would very likely get from a safety advisory council, which would likely tell him to rehire some of the staff he got rid of, and reinstate some of the rules he got rid of, and turn the company in another direction from where he is turning it.”
Twitter first formed the Trust and Safety Council in 2016, as social networks were coming under greater scrutiny for their role in amplifying hate, terrorism, child exploitation and other problematic content online. The council convened a wide range of civil society groups, think tanks — and even some of Silicon Valley’s biggest critics. Twitter executives would regularly brief the council on new products in development and policies.
The Committee to Protect Journalists, a non-profit that promotes press freedom around the world, decried the dissolution of the council. “Safety online can mean survival offline," the group’s president, Jodie Ginsburg, said in a statement. “Today’s decision to dissolve the Trust and Safety Council is cause for grave concern, particularly as it is coupled with increasingly hostile statements by Twitter owner Elon Musk about journalists and the media.”
[...]
The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which was a member of the council, will be “keeping a lookout for how they restructure,” said Gavin Portnoy, the center’s vice president.
“For the moment, we’ll continue to encourage reporting to the CyberTipline and hope to continue to have a seat at the table to address child safety on Twitter,” he said.
Last week, three members of the Trust and Safety Council resigned, warning that the “safety and wellbeing of Twitter’s users are on the decline.”
Musk responded to replies to their tweet announcing their resignation, writing, “It’s a crime that they refused to take action on child exploitation for years!”
Jack Dorsey, the company’s former CEO, responded to Musk, calling the claim “false.” But Musk’s comment nonetheless prompted a wave of threats and harassment at the board members who left the council, as well as some who remained.QuoteYoel Roth, Twitter’s former head of trust and safety, and his family were forced from their home after Elon Musk’s tweets misrepresented Roth’s academic writing about sexual activity and children. The online mob also sent threats to people Roth had replied to on Twitter, forcing some of Roth’s family and friends to delete their Twitter accounts, according to a person familiar with Roth’s situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to concerns about Roth’s safety.https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-twitter-harass-yoel-roth/
Musk’s followers also directed harassment at professors who reviewed the dissertation that Roth wrote in 2016, as well as at his graduate school, the University of Pennsylvania, the person said. The university did not respond to a request for comment.
As head of trust and safety at Twitter, Roth was involved in many of the platform’s decisions about what posts to remove and what accounts to suspend. His communications with other Twitter officials have been posted in recent days as part of what Musk calls the Twitter Files, a series of tweets by journalists Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss.
Musk’s tweets to his tens of millions of followers have for years prompted his supporters to deluge the targets of his ire with online threats — famously, a participant in the rescue of a boys soccer team trapped in a cave in Thailand, whom Musk branded “pedo guy.” But now that Musk owns one of the most powerful social networks in the world and has gutted the company division that previously policed online harassment, the stakes are even higher.
Musk tweets about Roth recalled the QAnon conspiracy movement, which claims incorrectly that Democratic Party leaders direct a child sex abuse network.
“Looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to access adult Internet services in his PhD thesis,” Musk tweeted Saturday, attaching a screenshot of Roth’s dissertation.
In the text, Roth suggested that services like the gay dating app Grindr should adopt safety strategies to accommodate teenagers using their platforms, rather than drive them out entirely. Musk also commented on a 2010 tweet in which Roth wrote, “Can high school students ever meaningfully consent to sex with their teachers?” Roth then linked to an article about a Washington State Supreme Court ruling about what age students can consent to having sex with their teachers.
Musk’s critical comments about Roth are something of an about-face from his early days at the company, when Roth appeared to be one of the few high-level Twitter executives Musk supported. On Oct. 30, the billionaire tweeted, “I want to be clear that I support Yoel. My sense is that he has high integrity, and we are all entitled to our political beliefs.”
Looks like Yoel Roth got free speeched out of his home.
Good luck with that in SF. BTW I think this is the first step in him relocating their HQ toTexas or FloridaJoe Rogan's basement
Good luck with that in SF. BTW I think this is the first step in him relocating their HQ to Texas or Florida.
Twitter relocating to Trump Tower :lawdGood luck with that in SF. BTW I think this is the first step in him relocating their HQ to Texas or Florida.
Just imagining tomorrow's headline: "Musk to relocate Twitter HQ to upscale Manhattan office valued at $2.7 bil"
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twitter-shakeup.html
Mr. Musk appears to be gearing up for legal battles at Twitter, which he purchased in October for $44 billion, according to seven people familiar with internal conversations. He and his team have revamped Twitter’s legal department and pushed out one of his closest advisers in the process. They have also instructed employees to not pay vendors in anticipation of potential litigation, the people said.
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To cut costs, Twitter has not paid rent for its San Francisco headquarters or any of its global offices for weeks, three people close to the company said. Twitter has also refused to pay a $197,725 bill for private charter flights made the week of Mr. Musk’s takeover, according to a copy of a lawsuit filed in New Hampshire District Court and obtained by The New York Times.
Twitter’s leaders have also discussed the consequences of denying severance payments to thousands of people who have been laid off since the takeover, two people familiar with the talks said. And Mr. Musk has threatened employees with lawsuits if they talk to the media and “act in a manner contrary to the company’s interest,” according to an internal email sent last Friday.
They're broke and he's about to lose a bunch of court cases for nothing.
No matter how bad Musk fucks up, he will still be more competent than the idiots who ran Twatter before him.
No. Happy for you to bring it up next year so we can discuss.No matter how bad Musk fucks up, he will still be more competent than the idiots who ran Twatter before him.
This will age very poorly in a year’s time, won’t it?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
https://www.thedailybeast.com/twitter-account-following-elon-musks-private-jet-gets-shadow-banned
Technically it's not a lie, Apartheid Elton only mentioned banning, not shadow banning.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
https://www.thedailybeast.com/twitter-account-following-elon-musks-private-jet-gets-shadow-banned
Technically it's not a lie, Apartheid Elton only mentioned banning, not shadow banning.
Now proper banned
https://twitter.com/mannyfidel/status/1603012723939459074
:elon
who cares?
He banned the personal account of the kid too.
He banned the personal account of the kid too.
The best part is how hes been angry all day and every hour goes back to the computer to issue another ban
Which famous podcast or talk show will have the kid on first? Jimmy Kimmel?
He banned the personal account of the kid too.
So you are no longer allowed to post any newly taken photos or videos of people which contain discernible location info, such as public places. Hahah.
So you are no longer allowed to post any newly taken photos or videos of people which contain discernible location info, such as public places. Hahah.
Live location.
Check the twitter guidelines
Jeez
Elonjet is back
Take that James!
So fElon …
https://twitter.com/ElonJet/
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944
Reminder that just three days ago Musky had no problem to falsely imply Yoel Roth was supporting pedophilia in front of his 120 million followers, causing him to be driven from his home.
If teenagers dating teenagers is pedophilia, then I guess he was supporting pedophilia. My bad.
If teenagers dating teenagers is pedophilia, then I guess he was supporting pedophilia. My bad.
If teenagers dating teenagers is pedophilia, then I guess he was supporting pedophilia. My bad.
wait did he specify teens dating teens and not older men they find on grindr or
Tinder grew so fast by seeding its app with college students in the US, assuming they’d be an influential group because, as Mateen puts it: “as someone who’s younger in high school, you want to be a college kid. And a lot of adults are envious of college kids too”.
He adds that Tinder is broadening out now, though. “Early on, over 90% of our user base was aged between 18 and 24. Today, that number is about 51%,” he says. “13-17 year-olds are now over 7%, 25-32 year-olds are about 32%, 35-44 is about 6.5% and the remainder are older than 45.”
Still, it's clear that more and more teens are turning to the internet in pursuit of romance. Like Tinder, dating apps MeetMe and Skout are open to anyone above the age of 13, while MyLOL and OurTeenNetwork were specifically created for the high school set. And it's not just specialized services that have gained traction: Olivia, a 17-year-old from Pennsylvania, says she would be more willing to meet up with someone she connected with on social media than on a dating app. "I met one of my ex-boyfriends on Facebook and things went really well for us," she says, adding, "I've also gained a lot of close friends by using it."
NYT said he proposed they "adopt safety strategies" for teenagers, does that sound like promoting pedophilia or
You had those teen dating articles bookmarked, didn’t you, James? :society :kermit
NYT said he proposed they "adopt safety strategies" for teenagers, does that sound like promoting pedophilia or
I feel like when it comes to an app explicitly designed to organize sex hookups, there's not really a way to sanitize it?
like for example if you advocated for "adopting safety strategies" to allow teens to upload porn of themselves to pornhub, which would still be illegal
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944My man learning a lot about what the Brandenburg standard actually is.
NYT said he proposed they "adopt safety strategies" for teenagers, does that sound like promoting pedophilia or
I feel like when it comes to an app explicitly designed to organize sex hookups, there's not really a way to sanitize it?
like for example if you advocated for "adopting safety strategies" to allow teens to upload porn of themselves to pornhub, which would still be illegal
For fuck sake, Uncle.
Elon called him a pedophile because he is an asshole not because he genuinely cares about whatever argument he made in the thesis.
Is not the first time he calls someone a pedophile because his ego got hurt.
NYT said he proposed they "adopt safety strategies" for teenagers, does that sound like promoting pedophilia or
I feel like when it comes to an app explicitly designed to organize sex hookups, there's not really a way to sanitize it?
like for example if you advocated for "adopting safety strategies" to allow teens to upload porn of themselves to pornhub, which would still be illegal
For fuck sake, Uncle.
Elon called him a pedophile because he is an asshole not because he genuinely cares about whatever argument he made in the thesis.
Is not the first time he calls someone a pedophile because his ego got hurt.
Elon is an asshole but he didn't call that guy a pedophile, he said "Looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to access adult Internet services in his PhD thesis", with a screencap of exactly that.
He had to sell $3b in stock to fund his twitter habit
:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000089924322038522/xslF345X03/doc4.xml
December 2022
You may not publish or post other people's private information without their express authorization and permission. We also prohibit threatening to expose private information or incentivizing others to do so.
In addition, you may not share private media, such as images or videos of private individuals, without their consent.
"In addition, you may not share private media, such as images or videos of private individuals, without their consent."Again, this has been the rule on Twitter for a long time and yes, they have banned at times for those videos even though they're not private.
So no more Karen/public freakout/shaming videos? That's even dumber than when tumblr ditched nudes. You know 10% of me still thought there might be some master plan and twitter would experience some sort of massive reversal of fortune, but I guess his ego is just too huge for him to make smart business decisions.
"In addition, you may not share private media, such as images or videos of private individuals, without their consent."Again, this has been the rule on Twitter for a long time and yes, they have banned at times for those videos even though they're not private.
So no more Karen/public freakout/shaming videos? That's even dumber than when tumblr ditched nudes. You know 10% of me still thought there might be some master plan and twitter would experience some sort of massive reversal of fortune, but I guess his ego is just too huge for him to make smart business decisions.
"In addition, you may not share private media, such as images or videos of private individuals, without their consent."Again, this has been the rule on Twitter for a long time and yes, they have banned at times for those videos even though they're not private.
So no more Karen/public freakout/shaming videos? That's even dumber than when tumblr ditched nudes. You know 10% of me still thought there might be some master plan and twitter would experience some sort of massive reversal of fortune, but I guess his ego is just too huge for him to make smart business decisions.
basically make nearly everything against the rules but don't take stuff down most of the time, just apply them inconsistently when convenient
and until recently, have the foresight to obfuscate that everything is against the rules so you can do this subtly
This one is for you BenjiWhat's he going to do, yell loudly?
https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1603557011114889216
https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1603574688457936897
https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1603574688457936897
Of course it didn’t happen. Dude drives around in a car that has a 360 always on camera. If somebody did jump on the car he would’ve posted that footage.
https://twitter.com/ForeverEversley/status/1603612770892918784
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Might as well suspend every user in the chat room. See how far you can take it before people leave. The gaf way..
Well of course. It was an autocorrect error. Elmo meant to write he was a free speech absurdist.
Might as well suspend every user in the chat room. See how far you can take it before people leave. The gaf way..Those are probably the worst soy reeeeee Russiagate tumblr tier journo'sTM of all of them.
https://twitter.com/ForeverEversley/status/1603612770892918784
:point
Either hes about to kill himself or the satellites are about to start bombing cities
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603804175858429952
What are the odds the feds are about to drop some spicy spicy incitements and hes banning everyone who would report on them?Wouldn't he have suspended people who might actually report these kinds of things though?
Why the fuck Keffals is there? Elon could have just won any argument by pointing Keffals being in that conversation lol. It would be more worthwhile than anything he has done in last year.Not just Keffals, there's barely any "journalists" shown in this screenshot of supposed journalists. Lots of Twitter obsessives though.
Either hes about to kill himself or the satellites are about to start bombing cities
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603804175858429952
Either hes about to kill himself or the satellites are about to start bombing cities
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603804175858429952
Give him some time and he’ll be pepper spraying journalists and storming out of meetings saying “don’t call anybody”
twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1603857581503569929[/url]Wild stuff, the FBI sent me an e-mail the other day too:
twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1603857609118859264[/url]
FBI demanding Twitter comedians to be banned. :dead
Seeing people going on CNN to talk about how they got banned is just too funny to me. I know it's a little bit more serious but the feeling prevails that this is kind of like someone going on TV because they just got banned from the Marvel subreddit.
Seeing people going on CNN to talk about how they got banned is just too funny to me. I know it's a little bit more serious but the feeling prevails that this is kind of like someone going on TV because they just got banned from the Marvel subreddit.Is it though?
We just need to kick off all the people that can't install their own GPU's or open PDF's. Make the internet Great Again.Seeing people going on CNN to talk about how they got banned is just too funny to me. I know it's a little bit more serious but the feeling prevails that this is kind of like someone going on TV because they just got banned from the Marvel subreddit.
Perhaps I’m eternally stuck in Web 1.0 mind, or whatever it’s considered, because that’s still how I see it. Internet life is different from real life. There’s a reason I’m Polident Hive and not character actor Scott Glenn. We as a society need to return to internet normalcy. Zero Cool and Acid Burn. Neo and Trinity. xX_pwng0d_Xx > Jeff.
https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1603574688457936897
Of course it didn’t happen. Dude drives around in a car that has a 360 always on camera. If somebody did jump on the car he would’ve posted that footage.
Even a photo of a scratch on the car would have been nice lol
$20 to ban a user of your choice on twitter
Strong Keep This page is a historical artifact at this point illustrating just how far left and biased wikipedia has become. Deleting it would be a disservice to the absolute absurdity of this page, it authors, and every editor and source who blatantly misrepresented the facts and illustrated such sensationalism over this matter. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Once again we're seeing who were posters and who weren't. Real dudes remember when a mod/admin overstepped his authority, made a mistake, started banning people to cover up their tracks, etc etc. It never ends well for the mod/admin. It's nothing worth crying about or proclaim this the end of free speech. Let Elon cook himself. It won't be tomorrow, next week, next month. But it's gonna happen.
A date that will live in infamy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_15,_2022_Twitter_suspensionsThe original author used the title "Thursday night massacre" until other users changed it for obvious reasons :lol
Thursday Night Massacre (Twitter) → December 15, 2022 Twitter suspensions – While the current title is certainly funny, article titles are not an appropriate place for tongue-in-cheek hyperbole. Compare this with the other events listed at the disambiguation page for "Thursday Massacre":
Hundreds of soldiers killed in the Battle of Tampere
Two separate incidents in 1934 where workers on strike were killed
Dozens of demonstrators shot dead in the 1956 Hungarian Revolution
Over a hundred people injured when police fired into a crowd in Berkeley in 1969
Four protestors killed in Bahrain in 2011
A search for articles with "massacre" in their titles returns almost entirely incidents in which large numbers of people were killed: Nanjing Massacre, Mỹ Lai massacre, Katyn massacre, etc. Given that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, our titles for articles should be attempts to describe them in terms that are accurate and neutral. jp×g 10:43, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
I'm drunk as hell and this Twitter drama is so petty and so stupid and so pointless I'm just laughing endlessly.It really is great, isn't it?
I'm drunk as hell and this Twitter drama is so petty and so stupid and so pointless I'm just laughing endlessly.It's payback for every time we had to mutter to the "normies" that they just wouldn't get it.
I'm drunk as hell and this Twitter drama is so petty and so stupid and so pointless I'm just laughing endlessly.It really is great, isn't it?
I'm drunk as hell and this Twitter drama is so petty and so stupid and so pointless I'm just laughing endlessly.
https://twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/1604163227574603776
https://twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/1604170885841256448
https://twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/1604173239151779840
not sure if this is a bit or a meltdown or both but when you manage to outwhine besada talking about his lack of fruitbaskets it's not just a little bit patheticDavid Leavitt is not a bit (if he is, it's amazing) he has just recently tried to report people to Child Protective Services for tweets and among these Elon tweets was demanding another woman, attorney general of some state, be put in prison for life for misleadingly repeating the thing about fentanyl being harmful to police who touch it on Twitter.
this was totally worth 40 billion of someone elses money :lol
not sure if this is a bit or a meltdown or both but when you manage to outwhine besada talking about his lack of fruitbaskets it's not just a little bit patheticDavid Leavitt is not a bit (if he is, it's amazing) he has just recently tried to report people to Child Protective Services for tweets and among these Elon tweets was demanding another woman, attorney general of some state, be put in prison for life for misleadingly repeating the thing about fentanyl being harmful to police who touch it on Twitter.
this was totally worth 40 billion of someone elses money :lol
https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1604366284958973953 (https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1604366284958973953)
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"I asked him like for a comment like as a journalist, is that like crayzeyy?"
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"I asked him like for a comment like as a journalist, is that like crayzeyy?"
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Elon knows people won't leave his website. He can basically do whatever he wants.
twitter.com/PhillyD/status/1604543846892855297The man's trying to put all the hard working doxers out of business!
Elon Musk on Wednesday told a Delaware judge that he plans to "reduce my time at Twitter and find somebody else to run Twitter over time."
From a few days ago:
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/16/elon-musk-twitter-ceo-new-leaderQuoteElon Musk on Wednesday told a Delaware judge that he plans to "reduce my time at Twitter and find somebody else to run Twitter over time."
He has made up his mind already.
The poll is meaningless.
twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1604578066956800002FACT CHECK: Erdogan is a man of the people who gets praised for his good works by average passerbys:
That famous classic New York hospitality. love to see ittwitter.com/donmoyn/status/1604578066956800002FACT CHECK: Erdogan is a man of the people who gets praised for his good works by average passerbys:
https://twitter.com/mathaiaus/status/1571612919682695168
Dr. Tressie McMillan Cottom is an award-winning author, professor, and sociologist, whose work has earned national and international recognition for the urgency and depth of its incisive critical analysis of technology, higher education, class, race, and gender. Her most recent accolades include a 2020 MacArthur Foundation Fellowship(link is external), informally known as the “genius grant.”
Were they right tho, he's turned out like 95% of message board owners (a gotten to, thin skinned flip flopper) rather than South African Hitler like the shit libs were screeching about :elon
Emile Myburghhttps://nyti.ms/3BHDxAz#permid=122085756
Johannesburg3h ago
As a fellow South African of the same generation as Elon Musk, it seems to me that his conduct can best be described by the rigid apartheid school system that we were subjected to. Petty, vindictive teachers who made up rules on the fly, who didn’t tolerate any criticism, whose word had to be accepted as the gospel, without question were the norm. More so at Elon Musk’s alma mater Pretoria Boys High. The trauma has clearly impacted him heavily and was clear for the whole world to see since he took over twitter. He has, in effect, become a reincarnation of his high school principal. All that he didn’t do at twitter, because he couldn’t, was to inflict corporal punishment with a rod.
they also said the site was running on duct tape and falling apart at the seams after having the employees gutted, and that on top of the technology failing and imploding, everyone would stop using it for moral/principled reasons and leave
Elon probably thought that people would consider a CEO of a social media company that engages with the community and not as much the goverment or the big media corporations is a 'positive' overall even though change is messy and scary.Were they right tho, he's turned out like 95% of message board owners (a gotten to, thin skinned flip flopper) rather than South African Hitler like the shit libs were screeching about :elon
I mean, the most sane people would have tell you that he was full of shit regarding free speech being priority and his thin skinned flip flopping was clear given his behavior this last years. Thin skinned and free speech are not that compatible.
I would have liked to see Twitter get an overhaul in moderation and policies, something that Elon is must probably clueless about given he is a CEO of tech companies (social media is trickier). He also has the same issue as Trump of wanting to be loved by the liberal Elites and centrist middle class while mocking them (I’m going to appear with Dave Chappelle because his public totally love clueless white rich people).
I will say this, I don’t think Elon Musk is (or was) an idiot, he probably did a lot of good business decisions before his middle life crisis kicked on and social media rot his brain.
they also said the site was running on duct tape and falling apart at the seams after having the employees gutted, and that on top of the technology failing and imploding, everyone would stop using it for moral/principled reasons and leaveHmm do I believe your blatant fanboy lies in promotion of fascism or the truthful experts (who would never stoop to paying for a Blue Check and are extensively quoted by mainstream media journalists) who assured me the site would probably be gone by Thanksgiving and definitely wouldn't make it to the end of the year. :hmm
He's stupid, a special fellow, and possibly on drugs. Those are the only explanations. This is now the second time he has made an emotional decision that either disregarded the law or suggested he didn't know about the law. I'm of course referring to him firing EU Twitter employees via email which is illegal there, as well as the ban on "competitor" links which is also illegal there. Both decisions resulted in quick reversals. Now of course the question is did he simply not know, or was he warned by legal? I think it's both in the sense that his people tell him this stuff and he simply disregards it and does whatever he wants. That may work in some areas but not tech.he has Asperger's syndrome.
Even with the app store 20% thing, he was talking about that back in April 2022. Yet still tried to big dick Apple last month on it, only to have to concede defeat. None of this is rational behavior.
So now you're woke now too. Western society doomed. :dogeHe's stupid, a special fellow, and possibly on drugs. Those are the only explanations. This is now the second time he has made an emotional decision that either disregarded the law or suggested he didn't know about the law. I'm of course referring to him firing EU Twitter employees via email which is illegal there, as well as the ban on "competitor" links which is also illegal there. Both decisions resulted in quick reversals. Now of course the question is did he simply not know, or was he warned by legal? I think it's both in the sense that his people tell him this stuff and he simply disregards it and does whatever he wants. That may work in some areas but not tech.he has Asperger's syndrome.
Even with the app store 20% thing, he was talking about that back in April 2022. Yet still tried to big dick Apple last month on it, only to have to concede defeat. None of this is rational behavior.
Astonishing amount of dumb motherfuckers on this website. :lol
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God has moved to mastodon.Elon drives another fraudulent account off his platform! :rejoice
https://mastodon.social/@TheTweetOfGod@universeodon.com
But he said he's real.More disinformation on Elon's Twitter smh
https://twitter.com/TheTweetOfGod
He's stupid, a special fellow, and possibly on drugs. Those are the only explanations. This is now the second time he has made an emotional decision that either disregarded the law or suggested he didn't know about the law. I'm of course referring to him firing EU Twitter employees via email which is illegal there, as well as the ban on "competitor" links which is also illegal there. Both decisions resulted in quick reversals. Now of course the question is did he simply not know, or was he warned by legal? I think it's both in the sense that his people tell him this stuff and he simply disregards it and does whatever he wants. That may work in some areas but not tech.
Even with the app store 20% thing, he was talking about that back in April 2022. Yet still tried to big dick Apple last month on it, only to have to concede defeat. None of this is rational behavior.
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:juche
Twitter added a public view count so everyone can see how many people saw your tweet but didn't bother to like it
30 views and 0 likes this is devastating
- Fewer intrusive ads. Most ads seem tailored to the topic at hand. When I'm looking at video game tweets I get ads for video games not some Chinese winter circus, garden hose bullshit or whateverlol at you whitelisting Twitter
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1609813773862289408 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1609813773862289408)
:iface
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1609813773862289408 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1609813773862289408)So it really is a Twitter replacement after all. :ohyou
Elon Musk drove more than a million people to Mastodon – but many aren’t sticking around
More than 130,000 people were joining the new independent social media network a day in November. So why hasn’t it taken off?
The number of active users on the Mastodon social network has dropped more than 30% since the peak and is continuing a slow decline, according to the latest data posted on its website. There were about 1.8 million active users in the first week of January, down from over 2.5 million in early December.
Mastodon, an open-source network of largely independently hosted servers, has often been touted as an alternative to Twitter. And its growth appears connected to controversies at Twitter. But for many it doesn’t fulfil the role that Twitter did and experts say it may be too complicated to really replace it.
For many, Mastodon may have proved too hard to port over their communities and was just too complicated. Some may have gone back to Twitter, while others, said Coffey, may have dropped social media entirely.
“Everybody went and signed up [on Mastodon] and realised how hard it was, and then got back on Twitter and were like, ‘Oh, that’s, that’s hard. Maybe we won’t go there,’” she said.
“It’s like the people that said ‘I’m moving to Canada’ when Donald Trump was elected. They never actually moved to Canada.”
“It’s like the people that said ‘I’m moving to Canada’ when Donald Trump was elected. They never actually moved to Canada.”:dead
Lol, The Guardian's e-begging is getting ridiculous.
Also:Yes, can definitely tell who they think their most willing to give audience is. :lolQuote“It’s like the people that said ‘I’m moving to Canada’ when Donald Trump was elected. They never actually moved to Canada.”:dead
I suspect the people who read The Guardian, those that threatened to move to Canada and didn't, and those that threatened to leave Twatter and didn't have a very high overlap in a Venn diagram.
I think they changed their recommended tweets algorithm with the "for you" timeline? Because for some reason Twitter now thinks I'm really into clips of people fighting
One thing I'm grateful about Twitter is waking me up to the major literacy problem we have in this country, maybe especially among the college educated.:ohyou
Twitter remains in the grip of an advertising squeeze, with the social media platform hit by a 40% drop in revenue after more than 500 clients paused their spending, according to reports.
The company’s daily revenue was down 40% year-over-year, the tech newsletter the Platformer reported, while the news site the Information said staff were told more than 500 of Twitter’s top advertisers had halted spending since Elon Musk bought it in October.
Advertising is the main source of income for Twitter, accounting for more than 90% of its $5.1bn in revenue in 2021, but clients including Audi and Pfizer are among the firms that have paused after the Tesla CEO’s $44bn (£35bn) takeover.
According to The Verge, one feature will show a feed of articles posted by people that the user chose to follow and will include commentary on the posts.
The app will include publishers from both the left and right ends of the political spectrum, but Systrom said only outlets that adhere to quality editorial standards will be permitted to remain on the app. Artifact will reportedly work to remove outlets and posts that promote misinformation and will exercise its own judgment as to what can remain on the platform
https://gizmodo.com/instagram-artifact-social-media-news-1850054951 (https://gizmodo.com/instagram-artifact-social-media-news-1850054951)QuoteThe app will include publishers from both the left and right ends of the political spectrum, but Systrom said only outlets that adhere to quality editorial standards will be permitted to remain on the app. Artifact will reportedly work to remove outlets and posts that promote misinformation and will exercise its own judgment as to what can remain on the platform
I'm sure no one's going to have a problem with any of this. Nope.
What about outlets that completely fabricate stories without any sources (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers-penetrated-us-electricity-grid-through-a-utility-in-vermont/2016/12/30/8fc90cc4-ceec-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html)?QuoteThe app will include publishers from both the left and right ends of the political spectrum, but Systrom said only outlets that adhere to quality editorial standards will be permitted to remain on the app. Artifact will reportedly work to remove outlets and posts that promote misinformation and will exercise its own judgment as to what can remain on the platform
https://gizmodo.com/instagram-artifact-social-media-news-1850054951QuoteAccording to The Verge, one feature will show a feed of articles posted by people that the user chose to follow and will include commentary on the posts.
Holy shit! They just invented blogging and RSS!QuoteThe app will include publishers from both the left and right ends of the political spectrum, but Systrom said only outlets that adhere to quality editorial standards will be permitted to remain on the app. Artifact will reportedly work to remove outlets and posts that promote misinformation and will exercise its own judgment as to what can remain on the platform
I'm sure no one's going to have a problem with any of this. Nope.
bernie wass an asset all alongWhat about outlets that completely fabricate stories without any sources (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers-penetrated-us-electricity-grid-through-a-utility-in-vermont/2016/12/30/8fc90cc4-ceec-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html)?QuoteThe app will include publishers from both the left and right ends of the political spectrum, but Systrom said only outlets that adhere to quality editorial standards will be permitted to remain on the app. Artifact will reportedly work to remove outlets and posts that promote misinformation and will exercise its own judgment as to what can remain on the platform
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/814999056439214080
Usually their definition for the moderate left is Pol Pot while anything to the right of and including Chris Pratt is considered a Nazi.https://gizmodo.com/instagram-artifact-social-media-news-1850054951 (https://gizmodo.com/instagram-artifact-social-media-news-1850054951)QuoteThe app will include publishers from both the left and right ends of the political spectrum, but Systrom said only outlets that adhere to quality editorial standards will be permitted to remain on the app. Artifact will reportedly work to remove outlets and posts that promote misinformation and will exercise its own judgment as to what can remain on the platform
I'm sure no one's going to have a problem with any of this. Nope.
Will be hilarious when all the lefty misinformation bloggers and YouTubers get banned.spoiler (click to show/hide)I'm sure it goes without saying that the sperging right wingers will be up in arms also[close]
You couldn't pick a worse name for a social media platform than "Mastodon"Yeah, but it's a good fucking band though
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1623006806749614085
:fbm :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacrymaybe it's because you tweet constantly about a frivolous lawsuit against his company?https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1623782297831981062
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1623746103689547778[close]
You couldn't pick a worse name for a social media platform than "Mastodon", let alone how baffling it was for the average user to understand and navigate through their fetty wap-iverses or whateverthefuck. I still have no idea what that feta cheese shit is. Some STEM neckbeard probably thought he was a genius for that one.
Just got a notification that mobile number 2FA is now a bluetick only feature, and I don't like that
Just got a notification that mobile number 2FA is now a bluetick only feature, and I don't like that
:roflJust got a notification that mobile number 2FA is now a bluetick only feature, and I don't like that
2FA is overrated, you just need a looooong password with words that are banned in China/Russia (i.e. the mecca of hackers).
So something like:
"Xi%Jinping#Loves!Winnie@The$Pooh@Putin!Is#A$Beautiful@Trans+Women"
They will have to decide if they want to hack you or be send to a prison/death camp and in some cases with their baked in censorship they will see your password as: ******************** :trumps
is this because there's an incredibly minor cost associated with sending a text, but app 2FA is just synchronized math?
It’s remarkable to watch this march toward subscription plans on every service. No, thanks.
It’s remarkable to watch this march toward subscription plans on every service. No, thanks.The ad business is pretty much dead and selling user data leads to bad PR situations so the only way to make money from these platforms is subscriptions.
It’s remarkable to watch this march toward subscription plans on every service. No, thanks.It's the ultimate consequence of the web being "free". Advertising has been a sustainable model because the barriers to entry were traditionally high in print, radio and television.
Fuck ads, fuck advertising, and fuck all the advertisers behind them. If everything goes to subscription because of the industry dying: Good.Look into the attempts to quantify the value of it, especially online advertising.
I've long been convinced that advertising and marketing has done actual and substantial harm to human society as a whole, and nothing has yet convinced me otherwise.
:whewhttps://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1633261069534724096
I don't get the Musk sycophants on Twitter eager to temper criticism with praise for whatever he does. Like... what do they hope to get from it, a small chance of a Musk re-tweet at most?
That Simpsons meme made sense when it was relating to Tesla fanboys but this feels as pathetic as users trying to suck up to forum mods.
Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet.
I don't get the Musk sycophants on Twitter eagerhttps://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1633609663626493954
I don't get the Musk sycophants on Twitter eager to temper criticism with praise for whatever he does. Like... what do they hope to get from it, a small chance of a Musk re-tweet at most?I agree, but I also feel it's dumb in the other direction. people who just blindly hate anything the guy does no matter what. it's not exactly the worst thing in the world to have a billionaire who isn't so old and out of touch, or a robotic dork like zuck. elon does understand the internet well enough and is often just being a troll. he also understands tech and invests in cool stuff and is most likely a good source of funding for a lot of tech people who praise him.
That Simpsons meme made sense when it was relating to Tesla fanboys but this feels as pathetic as users trying to suck up to forum mods.
Commentary: If Twitter finally dies, where do we find the smart people?
For a decade, Twitter was the premier watering hole for the chattering classes. But where does everybody go if it dries up?
But the reality is we don’t have — and may never again have — another one-stop watering hole where many of the planet’s most interesting celebrities, politicians, activists, scientists, journalists, comedians and other assorted smart people will rub elbows with one another and also with you. Twitter, in its heyday, revealed that brilliant and well-informed people are everywhere, most of them aren’t famous, and sometimes they’d appear in your mentions in the dead of night. Sometimes you’d see talented people simply ruining themselves. There are surely books that don’t exist because smart people were tweeting so much instead of working. The service was lively, authentic and substantive enough to serve as a de facto assignment editor for working journalists — sometimes too often.
Now that peculiar experience is fading away. We’ll have to work harder to seek out the brilliant, for reasons that are more subtle than you’d think.
Like a lot of people, I post on social media in my free time to satisfy an admittedly mortifying existential desire for recognition. However, also like a lot of people, I have more dignity than to ever pay a single cent to Musk to publicly indulge that impulse. I’d rather hang out somewhere that actually wants to have people like me around. But where?:hmm
We’re getting something like two decades deep into our international social media experiment, and a lot of us aren’t satisfied with the results. Congress’ recent trashing of ultra-hot video app TikTok has been interestingly bipartisan, with critiques going beyond the company’s ties to China in ways that implicate all our major platforms. The very mass of the platforms themselves poses unusual systemic risks for our democracies, especially in terms of their ability to structure debate both online (through content moderation) and offline (through lobbying and political mobilization).
It was Twitter’s mass, its strong network effect, that made it such a valuable service for many years. Twitter was kind of like a Silicon Valley Bank for newsmakers and news followers; you could deposit almost all your time into Twitter knowing others like you were doing it too. And now that the place seems to be imploding, it seems like the systemic risks were a little bigger than we expected.
Consider how the world worked before Twitter’s creation in 2006. A lot of Americans lived in places that had well-staffed and profitable local newsrooms, magazines, radio stations and other independent media outlets that served as cultural and intellectual portals to the world, with the nascent internet giving a huge boost to the variety of your average consumer’s options. Survey data nonetheless showed more people reading a newspaper more often than getting news from the internet.
As much as we love newspapers and magazines around here, even your trusty L.A. Times writer knows consumption habits are far different now and won’t be going back, so there’s no point in getting sentimental about it. But the point is that a hypothetical world without Twitter in 2023 is far different from the world without Twitter in 2006 — we are now missing a whole middle layer of cultural institutions that helped provide the fiber for how we intellectually process the chaos of the world. Countless journalists who interrogated the political, cultural and social issues of the day no longer work in the industry, especially in suburban and rural communities. Many newspapers, magazines, alt-weeklies and other journals simply no longer exist; many more exist as mere shadows of themselves. Knowledge work has been deindustrializing itself from its geographic constraints and offshored to the internet, where the labor is cheaper and often free.
Now that labor is yours. If you’re leaving Twitter today, you are going to have to really sweat to find the same quantity and quality of thinkers who interest you. They might be secluding themselves on Instagram or LinkedIn, or experimenting with the visual anarchy of TikTok. They might have started a Substack and are charging a subscription rate that might have once bought you a whole magazine’s worth of writers. They could have started a podcast, though it’s possible their show might be on the chopping block. Maybe they’re on Mastodon, but, then again, maybe not. YouTube? Facebook? There’s only so much the New York Times op-ed page can say to us.
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1642946079669866496
:elon
Gonna need a source on this one, bud.
Gonna need a source on this one, bud.
I saw it myself like an hour before it was posted here, I thought there might be some weird reason behind it like a google doodle but just shrugged
by the time the tweet was here I think it was changed back, it was very brief
Whats the problem with that badge?The blue checks were designed to prevent impersonations but now that Elon sells those to everyone for $8 a second badge is necessary.
Whats the problem with that badge?The blue checks were designed to prevent impersonations but now that Elon sells those to everyone for $8 a second badge is necessary.
Which basically means that we're back to square one, special badges for special people.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1645155537904889857 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1645155537904889857)
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Also since when did anon become suck cucks :neogaf
twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1646115621032325122Elon let him off pretty easy but Darren Grimes let him off even more, the guy argued he doesn't even read Twitter anymore so wouldn't know and was just repeating something he heard somebody else say. :lol
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Great journalisming
Guy could've just opened Medvedev's feed for some casual holocausting.
how hard is it to say, all I am looking for is your opinion on all the people who say twitter has gotten worse, if your official response is that they don't like you and it's not true then that's fine, but it's not my claim you're countering, it's theirsA journalist not making themselves the center of their story is how fascism wins.
how hard is it to say, all I am looking for is your opinion on all the people who say twitter has gotten worse, if your official response is that they don't like you and it's not true then that's fine, but it's not my claim you're countering, it's theirsIf he wasn't so soy he could've just whipped out his phone and literally searched for any recent event :doge
or say, any example I could possibly give you would be anecdotal and not necessarily representative of a trend, so what's the point in me naming one thing, I just want to know what you think of the claim
I don't really get the upset about the government funded label? Hasn't YouTube done this for quite a while for various publications?
twitter.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1649262376485568512
I paid because if George Washington was alive today, he’d be paying too.:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
twitter.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1649423693838274564Maybe they won't pay $8 because they don't see the value? They think the rich celebrities were getting verified for the status instead of trying to protect their brand? Those were never who anybody was talking about when they criticized the Blue Check, nor the admitted benefits Twitter gave them in moderation/etc. That was more about people like fraudsters like Alejandra Caraballo/Brianna Wu or advanced humans like MovieBob.
Somehow it now went from "they think they're better than us because they have a checkmark" to "they think they're better than us because they're not buying a checkmark"
I wish Occam was here for this :stahpPetition to change the thread title to
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https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1649168451028799488 (https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1649168451028799488)Stick to being the hot mum in Spiderman films Alyssa. You're better at that.
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https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1649168451028799488
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Stick to being the hot mum in Spiderman films Alyssa. You're better at that.
Stick to being the hot mum in Spiderman films Alyssa. You're better at that.
:trigger Alyssa Milano is the 90s hot girl Starlord named his spaceship after, Marisa Tomei is the AILF from the new Spiderman movies, and once dated George Constanza :expert
https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1649168451028799488
Starting to notice the effect of Twitter blue and how the first replies under any tweet are from checkmark people
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1646115621032325122 (https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1646115621032325122)
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Great journalisming
Guy could've just opened Medvedev's feed for some casual holocausting.
I have a Bluesky invite code to give out now, not to any of you tho
https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1649168451028799488
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She's an actress. I get the impression she's barely capable of understanding the difference between an apple and an orange.https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1649168451028799488 (https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1649168451028799488)
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You do understand the difference between rich people paying a fair share of taxes to contribute to a functioning society, and a monthly subscription fee for an optional service because Muskrat doesn't have a working business plan, right?
Answer found, BlueSky:Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-03-29/commentary-if-twitter-diesCommentary: If Twitter finally dies, where do we find the smart people?
For a decade, Twitter was the premier watering hole for the chattering classes. But where does everybody go if it dries up?
She's an actress. I get the impression she's barely capable of understanding the difference between an apple and an orange.
Honeysucklebommie
10 years ago
She showed she has a decent IQ by thinking oranges and vitamin C, and her first answer "to C / see the vitamin." .
If the little troll talked like real man instead of like a posing nine year old girl maybe she could understand him better when he comes back and blurts the real answer.
Dan Frederiksen
12 years ago
@Hexy69sCHILDREN because it doesn't say 'concentrate on the carton' on the carton. just says concentrate so under the assumption she would be vacuous enough to take that as a command and do it she would not be prompted to concentrate on the carton as was the premise of the joke. he confuses his semantics and the bottom line is that his material is lame..
she handled herself well there, she knew she was being set up and all he achieved was being an ass. Strutter was something, that... is lame
SAIDON92
13 years ago
not all the ornage juice say"concentrate" on the carton
this is a dumb joke
In her defence, English is clearly her second language.She's an actress. I get the impression she's barely capable of understanding the difference between an apple and an orange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGc3wrf5b6E
Connor, 29, says that the "click here" meme left him feeling "excluded on a very fundamental level".:elon
Newsbeat contacted Twitter for a comment but it replied in the same way it does to all media, with a poo emoji.
In today's episode of no fun allowed:BRB, trying to convince my boss to change our media relations policy to "poo emoji"...
Click here: Twitter alt text meme that isn't funny for blind people
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-65473838QuoteConnor, 29, says that the "click here" meme left him feeling "excluded on a very fundamental level".:elon
Newsbeat contacted Twitter for a comment but it replied in the same way it does to all media, with a poo emoji.
If you want to be a member of Mozilla.Social, Mozilla’s new Mastodon instance, you’re not allowed to harass other users. You’re also not allowed to use derogatory language about gender, sex, sexual orientation, race, age, ability, or any other “physical, social or cultural attributes or classifications.” You can’t spread misinformation and disinformation, either. Or impersonate someone. Some of these are normal policies, some are unusually heavy-handed, and they’re all hard to litigate. But Mozilla’s stance is pretty simple and extremely unusual in the social media universe: if it’s debatable, it’s gone.
“We’re not going to advertise that we’re some kind of neutral platform,” says Steve Teixeira, Mozilla’s chief product officer. He says too many platforms try to find a middle ground between, say, people who want to do others harm and people that don’t, when in reality, there is no middle ground at all. “You have to land on the side of people who don’t want to do harm to others.” By not pretending to be neutral and not claiming to be the free speech wing of anything, Mozilla hopes it can be much more active in making Mastodon a good place to be.
Mozilla’s content policies also make clear that the platform will err on the side of protecting people who need to be protected, who tend to be more vulnerable in most online spaces. Teixeira says he expects to take some heat for that stance, but he’s okay with it. That’s kind of the whole point. “This is what it means to stake out a point of view on content,” he says. Above all, he wants to make Mozilla.Social a place where people can go and have the experience they mean to have. “And I don’t mean to go on there and be harassed, or receive death threats, or whatever,” he says. “We believe that it’s really important that people can go online and, like, engage and share cat pictures or yuk it up with my friends.”
Mastodon is making it easier for newcomers to create an account on the platform. On Monday, the decentralized network announced that it will start directing new users to create an account on mastodon.social instead of prompting them to choose from one of the thousands of other servers on the platform.
This update doesn’t mean that Mastodon’s taking away the ability for new users to sign up for an account in a specific community, though. It will simply present two separate options on its signup page: “Join mastodon.social” or “Pick my own server.”
Carlson’s pivot to Twitter comes after the site has become more welcoming to mostly-conservative accounts previously banned for spreading hate speech and disinformation under Elon Musk’s new direction. The billionaire took over the site in October 2022 and promptly allowed previously banished accounts to return, including that of Donald Trump.
Carlson did not make any mention of Musk in his video.
Twitter responded to a request for comment with a poop emoji.
Elon wants to turn Twitter into a content platform. I can see others jump ship too depending on how succesful Tucker is.
spoiler (click to show/hide)The ideal is a platform of nothing but likes.[close]
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1656747082571722753 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1656747082571722753)
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A female CEO?!? ELON SELLING OUT TO THE WOKE IN UNDER A YEAR! :maf :maf :mafA female WEF chair from NBC
twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1657070606687297536Maybe don't click through to see a "cat in a blender" if you don't want to see it?
twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1657070606687297536Maybe don't click through to see a "cat in a blender" if you don't want to see it?
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Benjamin, the discussion is about how 11 year old children are being exposed to itWhy are you showing children Twitter searches and clicking immediate suggestions?
can't believe those clowns started paying $8 simply because its "not woke" :lol
can't believe those clowns started paying $8 simply because its "not woke" :lol
https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1661113356277653507
Are they saying it hasn't always been? :social
Ifind it funny tbh, idiots locking themselves into a sort of personal hell they refuse to leave because of their narcissism.
maybe he just wants to be seen as the kingmaker and that would never happen if he backed biden or trump?there's always a grift :lol
Florida Gov. DeSantis signed into law a spaceflight bill that protects companies such as SpaceX and Blue Origin from legal liability if crewmembers or passengers are injured or killed during missions.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841
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The clash of the tech industry titans has shifted from the business world to martial arts – as Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg appear to have agreed to take each other on in a cage fight.
The Twitter and Facebook owners have traded barbs in recent weeks after it emerged that Mr Zuckerberg was planning to launch a competitor to the social media platform Mr Musk bought last year. But until Wednesday their sparring was purely verbal, as Mr Musk responded to a Twitter post about Mr Zuckerberg’s “Twitter rival” by saying “I’m sure Earth can’t wait to be exclusively under Zuck’s thumb”.
When another user commented that Mr Zuckerberg “does Jiu Jitsu now”, Mr Musk replied:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671364992665264131
Mr Zuckerberg quickly replied with a screenshot on Instagram, appearing to throw down the gauntlet with the caption: “Send me location.” Mr Musk then responded by suggesting the “Vegas Octagon” as a potential venue, referring to the main fighting arena of the Ultimate Fighting Championship in Las Vegas, Nevada.
In an apparent confirmation that the possible fight is serious, a Meta spokesman said: “The story speaks for itself.”
https://youtu.be/fGx6K90TmCI