Author Topic: star trek (Read 335143 times)

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2340 on:** January 10, 2020, 06:52:09 PM »

tom paris is lame as hell

Himu · « **Reply #2341 on:** January 10, 2020, 07:46:43 PM »

Tom Paris is the most boring "renegade" character I've ever seen. What a total bore.

VomKriege · « **Reply #2342 on:** January 11, 2020, 04:15:06 PM »

They're laying it really thick with Janeway but I think it works better as it is now, with her getting very stiff very quickly to browbeat her crew into some hastily decided hard stances out of guilt.

Counterpoint was a legit good episode : The character dynamics were engaging, some make up work a lot stronger than the average and even a bit of stylistic flair.

The Cardassian Mengele one was ok too, even if very on the nose.

I don't mind Kes but 7 of 9 is a much better conduit to have some conflict going (though I would agree she gets away with it a little too much, as Mulgrew thought at the time).

Edit : Fuck "the janitor is the one making or breaking Starfleet Academy". It's whimsical in TNG but they went 150% too hard in Voyager.

nachobro · « **Reply #2343 on:** January 11, 2020, 06:00:44 PM »

Quote from: MMaRsu on January 10, 2020, 06:52:09 PM

tom paris is lame as hell

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on January 10, 2020, 07:46:43 PM

Tom Paris is the most boring "renegade" character I've ever seen. What a total bore.

captain proton episodes

VomKriege · « **Reply #2344 on:** January 12, 2020, 04:17:36 PM »

Oh TVTropes

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In Star Trek, almost everything that happens revolves around military officers. Military officers doubling as explorers, but military officers all the same. An unintended consequence of this is creating the (almost certainly unintentional) impression that the supposedly utopian Federation is a military society. For example, in the Deep Space Nine episode "Paradise Lost," there is an attempted military coup, which has no trouble with civilian resistance, but instead is only opposed by the good military officers. Why don't more people inside the Trek-verse notice this?
Massive glorification of the military is a common theme in communist regimes. And the Federation is, by any definition, a communist regime.
"By any definition"? An odd statement, considering there are several definitions by which it doesn't fit.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/StarTrek

I'm not deep in the lore, and I get the society is "post scarcity" and "moneyless" but as far as I can tell the mainline series have always been a bit fuzzy about the details of how Earth function as a society or on an economical level.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2345 on:** January 12, 2020, 04:56:29 PM »

Quote from: nachobro on January 11, 2020, 06:00:44 PM

Quote from: MMaRsu on January 10, 2020, 06:52:09 PM
tom paris is lame as hell
Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on January 10, 2020, 07:46:43 PM
Tom Paris is the most boring "renegade" character I've ever seen. What a total bore.

captain proton episodes

instant skips

VomKriege · « **Reply #2346 on:** January 12, 2020, 07:33:58 PM »

There's lengthy regulations about fucking aliens and you need clearance from the CO and the medical staff ?

Nobody told Will

VomKriege · « **Reply #2347 on:** January 12, 2020, 09:21:40 PM »

Ouch

nachobro · « **Reply #2348 on:** January 13, 2020, 08:43:19 AM »

Federation government/socity never made much sense. Theres a president with a cabinet, a council, and a supreme court but I have no idea what they would actually do. Money and various forms of scarcity don't exist but it seems its possible to own private property, so it's not socialist.

Also some Federation worlds still do have money and money would be needed to deal with non-Federation groups so who knows. Probably best not to think too hard on it.

VomKriege · « **Reply #2349 on:** January 14, 2020, 04:44:18 PM »

Chakotay has a boxing vision quest. Also WTF is that haircut ?

VomKriege · « **Reply #2350 on:** January 14, 2020, 06:20:57 PM »

JANEWAY MURDERED COSTANZIX.

Edit : Man, Roxann Dawson is pretty fit.

VomKriege · « **Reply #2351 on:** January 15, 2020, 05:31:02 PM »

Janeway great great (etc) grandma flashbacks.

Edit : JASON !? JASON !

Edit : Time travel

VomKriege · « **Reply #2352 on:** January 16, 2020, 06:00:13 PM »

Wait a minute : Tom Paris is a discount, stale, William Riker... And the Equinox second in command is a discount, stale (no offence meant to Titus Welliver), Tom Paris ?

I was a bit let down by Equinox, which is part of many lists of the best Voyager episodes. It's a good premise but the conclusion is really dealt in a hurry, I didn't like the moral escape hatch for the antagonist (and most of the ethical issues really). Janeway is so blatantly hypocritical it's hard to take it seriously... And the script glazes over that also anyway.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #2353 on:** January 17, 2020, 12:06:48 PM »

Quote from: VomKriege on January 16, 2020, 06:00:13 PM

I was a bit let down by Equinox, which is part of many lists of the best Voyager episodes. It's a good premise but the conclusion is really dealt in a hurry, I didn't like the moral escape hatch for the antagonist (and most of the ethical issues really). Janeway is so blatantly hypocritical it's hard to take it seriously... And the script glazes over that also anyway.

Which ultimately is an indictment of voyager as a whole that its clearly one of the stronger episodes and actually memorable

VomKriege · « **Reply #2354 on:** January 17, 2020, 02:05:20 PM »

I wouldn't be so harsh maybe but I'll say a lot of Voyager episodes rush and fumble their finishing acts. I often feel frustrated that the intricacies of a premise I find interesting get left in the side of the road.

Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo are having a blast every episode. That Doctor recital of Rigoletto in the mess

Occam · « **Reply #2355 on:** January 17, 2020, 05:08:55 PM »

Quote from: VomKriege on January 16, 2020, 06:00:13 PM

Wait a minute : Tom Paris is a discount, stale, William Riker... And the Equinox second in command is a discount, stale (no offence meant to Titus Welliver), Tom Paris ?

I was a bit let down by Equinox, which is part of many lists of the best Voyager episodes. It's a good premise but the conclusion is really dealt in a hurry, I didn't like the moral escape hatch for the antagonist (and most of the ethical issues really). Janeway is so blatantly hypocritical it's hard to take it seriously... And the script glazes over that also anyway.

And the Equinox crew members who join Voyager at the end of the episode are never seen or mentioned again.

VomKriege · « **Reply #2356 on:** January 19, 2020, 05:53:37 PM »

Star Trek really has a grudge with the Irish, hasn't it ?

VomKriege · « **Reply #2357 on:** January 19, 2020, 08:33:36 PM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShittyDaystrom/comments/eq38pm/voyager_never_used_the_variable_nacelle/

Kara · « **Reply #2358 on:** January 19, 2020, 11:26:01 PM »

Quote from: VomKriege on January 19, 2020, 05:53:37 PM

Star Trek really has a grudge with the Irish, hasn't it ?

In The Next Generation there's a throwaway line in an episode stating that Irish reunification took place in this decade thanks to the occasional efficacy of terrorism. That episode was censored on broadcasts in the UK until ~2008 because they're always having a normal one there and I don't think it's ever actually been aired by RTE.

Momo · « **Reply #2359 on:** January 20, 2020, 03:22:18 AM »

Occam · « **Reply #2360 on:** January 20, 2020, 05:08:49 PM »

Quote from: Kara on January 19, 2020, 11:26:01 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on January 19, 2020, 05:53:37 PM
Star Trek really has a grudge with the Irish, hasn't it ?

In The Next Generation there's a throwaway line in an episode stating that Irish reunification took place in this decade thanks to the occasional efficacy of terrorism. That episode was censored on broadcasts in the UK until ~2008 because they're always having a normal one there and I don't think it's ever actually been aired by RTE.

Hah, the part about Irish reunification in 2024 may actually come true thanks to Brexit.

VomKriege · « **Reply #2361 on:** January 21, 2020, 06:04:09 PM »

I'll say for Voyager that some of the VFX work get really good for what it is in the back half of the series. It's hit and miss but it wouldn't be Star Trek otherwise.

VomKriege · « **Reply #2362 on:** January 21, 2020, 07:35:54 PM »

The Borg Queen concept is like the poster child of a terrible idea born out of narrative creep (never saw First Contact but AFAIK it's the same) but I'll admit Susanna Thompson squeezes a lot of good scenes out of that Unimatrix Zero plot. The episodes themselves are very Voyager : pretty pleasant background noise, very uneven, don't ever stop to think about the plot details and as a piece of world building it's a little bit jarring.

benjipwns · « **Reply #2363 on:** January 21, 2020, 09:40:58 PM »

The Borg Queen vaguely makes sense in First Contact as similar to the Locutus idea and representing the collective as a contact point for Picard/Data. (When they "kill" her the gas shit also kills all the rest of the Borg so it's not as egregious as it seems.)

By Voyager she's totally an individual in a group of individuals, but then so are like half the Borg on the show lol

The CGI and makeup advances are indeed quite real, Voyager winds up looking as good as First Contact, and First Contact had a limited number of Borg they could fully makeup at like three or something, by the end of Voyager they're all over the place.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2364 on:** January 22, 2020, 03:08:36 AM »

I heard people have seen the first 3 episodes amd it sucks ass

VomKriege · « **Reply #2365 on:** January 22, 2020, 04:54:02 AM »

Those Voyager Barclay / Troi visits are

but Deanna is closer to doing actual "counseling" (per TV standard) than 95% of TNG.

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Barclay end up not listening to her, break up in his place of employment, disobey direct orders but somehow it turns fine so OK ?

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I feel (second half of) the series does a lot better with its "small scale" stories in general. The comedic episodes too generally land well. I got the impression Janeway was better nailed down but she's still written mightily rash and flip-floppy in those Epic™ two-parters, her indirect alien body count is out of control, especially with the whole endorsing of Borg-Shia. I prefer that over the excessive motherly attitude she tended to have at the beginning though.

Also have the feeling the holodreck episodes were kept to tolerable levels compared to TNG but I don't know if it's accurate if you do an actual episode count. And the recurring sets are really glaring (though the worst is that fucking beach resort).

On reflection that can't be right because I recall a LOT of them ("Oh yeah Janeway was stuck into a dollar store British novel..."). Maybe not paying my full attention to whenever the show is running helped me get through it.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #2366 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:05:19 PM »

If Voyager has one saving grace it is that

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Lwaxana Troi never shows up

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MMaRsu · « **Reply #2367 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:14:38 PM »

Brent Spiner is taking a break from twitter just on the safe side

Tuckers Law · « **Reply #2368 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:21:02 PM »

That does not fill me with confidence.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2369 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:22:34 PM »

tl;dr it's shite.

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Star TP indeed.

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MMaRsu · « **Reply #2370 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:24:16 PM »

Quote from: Tuckers Law on January 22, 2020, 01:21:02 PM

confidence

You still had some?

Quote from: D3RANG3D on January 22, 2020, 01:22:34 PM

tl;dr it's shite.

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Star TP indeed.
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What an annoying persona.. dafuq.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2371 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:26:40 PM »

Shaddap faqqit.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2372 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:29:15 PM »

Quote from: D3RANG3D on January 22, 2020, 01:26:40 PM

Shaddap faqqit.

This guy is like a fake Jim Sterling but a million times worse. Does he just record himself making these gestures and then adding the sound later?

Also cmon going on 4chan rumors.. Look at his channel its all negative shit towards new shows/movies all with clickbaity thumbnails

This guy truly is the anal wart of the internet

Tuckers Law · « **Reply #2373 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:29:50 PM »

Quote from: MMaRsu on January 22, 2020, 01:24:16 PM

Quote from: Tuckers Law on January 22, 2020, 01:21:02 PM

confidence

You still had some?

not really, still sucks to think about

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2374 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:30:13 PM »

Nah Doomcock is almost 100% right on his rumors/insider information.

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A Jim Sterling he is not.

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Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2375 on:** January 22, 2020, 01:46:03 PM »

But let's be fair, it probably will suck.

nachobro · « **Reply #2376 on:** January 22, 2020, 04:07:15 PM »

i'm still excited to watch it tho

VomKriege · « **Reply #2377 on:** January 22, 2020, 08:37:24 PM »

Oh man Risa turned into a dump.

"- Last time you were singing with Data.
- It was LaForge birthday party !"
TNG pandering.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2378 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:45:04 AM »

So the first ep is out for DL..

let me check it

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2379 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:52:47 AM »

Jesus christ wont even give picard more than 5 minutes in the intro, gotta have someone shooting and getting attacked

" SHES ACTIVITING " what shit dialogue

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2380 on:** January 23, 2020, 08:52:18 AM »

it was pretty good?

Himu · « **Reply #2381 on:** January 23, 2020, 09:48:58 AM »

Quote from: MMaRsu on January 23, 2020, 08:52:18 AM

it was pretty good?

You can't shit on this for days, weeks, months and be like,"they won't give Picard time in his own intro!!" and then just say,"it was pretty good?"

DETAILS.

If we had negative reputation system I would NEG you!

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2382 on:** January 23, 2020, 09:58:55 AM »

Quote from: MMaRsu on January 23, 2020, 08:52:18 AM

it was pretty good?

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2383 on:** January 23, 2020, 10:07:42 AM »

Allright well I'll just say that even though there were a few things I didn't like that much, its still better than Discovery. It feels like its own thing

I feel like I would have appreciated a little bit more slow approach, and after having met Picard have the action take place at the tail end of the pilot instead of the beginning, but the story might be interesting. Not a huge fan of dialogue sometimes, like the " SHES ACTIVATING " bullcrap.

Im interested to see where it all goes, sadly I think once he gets a ship and some crewmates it might devolve into funny jokes and a lot of action ala Discovery..but we'll see.

Himu · « **Reply #2384 on:** January 23, 2020, 10:31:58 AM »

I'm 7 minutes in and the production on this is incredible and I'm already fucking hooked.

Himu · « **Reply #2385 on:** January 23, 2020, 11:08:57 AM »

Holy fuck this was the most Trek thing in years. So much TALKING. When we can sit down, and have NICE LITTLE STAR TREK CHAT. The action is minimal and only serves the plot.

I'm all in.

I really liked it.

Tuckers Law · « **Reply #2386 on:** January 23, 2020, 01:12:19 PM »

Why y’all giving me hope? I was happy in my pessimism.

Himu · « **Reply #2387 on:** January 23, 2020, 01:36:29 PM »

The show doesn't rely on fan service at all in the first episode. That isn't to say it doesn't have it, but it's often in the background where it exists to seen and is part of the larger story. Kind of like how now and then you see Jean Luc's instrument from Inner Light on his desk. It doesn't force the attention of it. It's a very natural flow from TNG's style but more modernized. Even the way Data and the girl are handled is done elegantly.

Originally I thought Data would be shoehorned the way Discovery has shoehorned Spock. "Remember Spock?!" is how Discovery handles its fan service. It's tacky and forced. But Picard, at least so far, handles things in a far more elegant manner. Data is used only to further the plot and done in such a charming way. You think it's about a generic synthetic Girl of Destiny that we've seen so much before in sci-fi but she's so much more than that. The first episode has twists and turns and misdirection. It's wonderfully paced in a TNG way that considers, brings up issues, and is highly introspective. The first episode is the real deal and hours after seeing I can't wait to rewatch it.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2388 on:** January 23, 2020, 03:19:45 PM »

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2389 on:** January 23, 2020, 03:37:58 PM »

@D3RANG3D

When you gonna watch it curious to know what u think of it

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2390 on:** January 23, 2020, 03:56:24 PM »

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I don't know what high seas route to take to get my yargh on.

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nachobro · « **Reply #2391 on:** January 23, 2020, 03:58:01 PM »

eztv used to be the go to waaaay back in the day, dunno if they do streaming stuff

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2392 on:** January 23, 2020, 04:52:22 PM »

plenty of torrent sites out there cmon bro

rarbg or something

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #2393 on:** January 23, 2020, 05:48:15 PM »

Quote from: MMaRsu on January 23, 2020, 04:52:22 PM

plenty of torrent sites out there cmon bro

rarbg or something

Will give not-Picard a pre-emptive review gobshite/10

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Will sign up for a free trial for cbs all access, to binge when the season is over not getting dmca'd for this shit.

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VomKriege · « **Reply #2394 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:01:09 PM »

Voyager : Body & Soul is a delight. Jeri Ryan is having the time of her life (that's an awesome impression of the Doctor) and Picardo is pulling some insane faces in this.

Coffee Dog · « **Reply #2395 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:03:20 PM »

I thought Picard was really stupid.

you're telling me these people got in a gunfight on top of the starfleet archives and nobody noticed?

Didn't like the script. Couldnt take the action seriously. The final reveal made me laugh. I'm not going to watch any more.

Himu · « **Reply #2396 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:22:03 PM »

Quote from: Coffee Dog on January 23, 2020, 07:03:20 PM

you're telling me these people got in a gunfight on top of the starfleet archives and nobody noticed?

Jean Luc woke up at home. Sorry Starfleet wasn't there within 10 seconds and they didn't show the transport?

Baffling complaint.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #2397 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:29:39 PM »

Quote from: VomKriege on January 23, 2020, 07:01:09 PM

Voyager : Body & Soul is a delight. Jeri Ryan is having the time of her life (that's an awesome impression of the Doctor) and Picardo is pulling some insane faces in this.

fun episode 2 best chars

nachobro · « **Reply #2398 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:45:24 PM »

aight got picard, will watch in a bit. you guys got me pretty curious now with this praise

VomKriege · « **Reply #2399 on:** January 23, 2020, 09:18:03 PM »

Voyager : Flesh & Blood is a neverending conga of Janeway adding more kills to her body count, Holy Christ.

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Author Topic: star trek (Read 335143 times)