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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3361 on: July 24, 2017, 06:23:43 PM »
Weekus horribilis for Macron  :P
His deputies at the Assembly have started slighty raising their voices & some malcontents in his party are fighting the new statute (as a new movement it was freeform until now) and claiming the affiliation numbers are fraudulent (people counted multiple times). There's been the whole stuff with the army that was mentioned and more over the government announced they would like to decrease the Aide Pour le Logement (APL which is basically "Welfare for low income tenants", a sum they receive to pay rent and which can be sent directly to the landlord. It maxes out at under 300 euros IANM) by 5 euros per month to save a few handful of millions. The sum might seem benign but APL is a major help to many -millions- students and retirees so it's a touchy subject. Some agree it has to be reformed but they're going for the most unpopular method and in the most weak-limped way. Things got worse when the government tried to justified itself by saying this cut was decided under the former administration but never acted upon, which was promptly denied by the former Secretary of State for Housing -It's unclear to me where the truth lies here-.

Macron is sort of fumbling his state of grace, the policies so far have been muddled and confusing, like when the Prime Minister announced in front of the National Assembly that the cuts on the tax for tenants were postponed to a later year only for the message to backpedal just a few days later that it was back on track to start now. I suspect the omnipresent PR starts to get grating as well.

Anyway he lost 10 points in the latest favorability poll and he is now slighty below Hollande at the same point in their mandates.

There's also the neverending struggle of a bankrupt car parts subcontractor that have lingered in the media for several months now : long story short, the employees have rigged their factory with makeshift explosives and are blocking a nearby site of car manufacturer Renault (one of their major clients). The court keeps pushing back the decision, as there's only one company lined to salvage it and it ask for massive guarantees from Renault and PSA Peugeot-Citroën. It's only a relatively small number of jobs (260 or so, there's much announcements of downsizing by bigger companies since then) but the Minister of Economy has gone down to meet them yet the situation hasn't been solved even partially. Probably doesn't project the image of a strong decisive public actor in the labor market.

Also, french anti-vaxxers say they will file a class-action against four labs. Probably a reaction and media blitz after 11 vaccines have been made mandatory for kids. Anti-vaxxing is starting to gain more traction over here and while most parents can be convinced, it's apparently a huge time-sink for doctors to debunk all the shit they heard and made them anxious.
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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3362 on: July 26, 2017, 03:28:26 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40715595

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Iranian state television presenter Azadeh Namdari has faced accusations of hypocrisy on social media after a video emerged showing her drinking beer and not wearing her hijab while on holiday in Switzerland.

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This time wearing a hijab, she explained she was sitting with family members and "maharem" - close relatives among whom a woman does not need to wear a hijab - in a park. She said her scarf fell suddenly and the video was taken at that instant by an unknown person.

She gave no explanation about drinking beer in the video.

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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3363 on: July 28, 2017, 06:23:18 PM »
Macron is what ? What follows will shock you !

So the French government decided to use their preemption privilege on the last day to do so in order to nationalize  :ussrcry the Saint-Nazaire naval yard. I mentioned the yard a couple of time, formerly bought by now bankrupted South Korean STX. President Hollande's administration passed a deal with Fincantieri, an Italian shipbuilder (controlled by the Italian state) so they would buy back STX shares for 54% of the capital. But concerns about jobs, Fincantieri syphoning R&D and orders to their Italian yards, the strategic value of the largest site in Europe (though they mostly do civilian boats) and nested Chinese interests in Italy pushed the new government to recant on the earlier deal and try to impose a 50/50% distribution between the French state and Italian shareholders. Rome refused so nationalization has been triggered. It's only supposed to be temporary but you know how those things have a way of sticking.

Italians are not happy about this, especially since Hollande somewhat begged them to jump in...
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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3364 on: August 06, 2017, 12:09:10 PM »
Damn plebs, how dare you!

god emperor macron will crush you!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/APFN_EU_FRANCE_MACRONS_FADING_STAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-08-06-06-04-07

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France's Ifop polling agency put it bluntly: "Apart from Jacques Chirac in July 1995, a newly elected president has never seen his popularity rate falling as quickly during the summer after the election."

His declining approval is striking given that Macron was being credited two months ago with giving France a boost of much-needed confidence after years of security fears and economic stagnation. Increasingly, he instead is portrayed as power-hungry and inexperienced.

The French media have started calling Macron "Jupiter," a reference to the mythological king of the Roman gods and what is perceived as the president's superior attitude after he upended France's political landscape and shot from relative obscurity to the nation's top post at age 39.

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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3365 on: August 07, 2017, 03:41:26 AM »
Macron :snoop

I guess this means Merkel is the leader of the EU now

Only now ?

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Actually Macron is doing a lot more to win German favors with an aggressive push to respect Maastricht commitments. Of course not the most popular thing at home.
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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3366 on: August 09, 2017, 03:25:15 PM »
Another day, another gang of greasy wogs raping schoolkids on airstrip one. Same pattern as well, drugs (their "community" is dealing the shit), Alcohol (corner shops) and Taxis for ferrying the girls around.

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« Reply #3367 on: August 14, 2017, 09:11:04 PM »
 :brazilcry :brazilcry :brazilcry

https://www.yahoo.com/news/french-falling-love-macron-100-days-103309763.html
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Paris (AFP) - Emmanuel Macron, the 39-year-old former investment banker who was catapulted to the French presidency in May, faces widespread disillusionment as he prepares to mark his first 100 days in office.

The man shown walking on water on the cover of The Economist magazine after his startling rise has seen his approval ratings nosedive, with only 36 percent of respondents giving him the thumbs up in one recent poll.

The French are "falling out of love" with Macron, the right-leaning daily Le Figaro headlined Sunday.

No French president has seen such a steep drop in popularity so early in his rule since Jacques Chirac in 1995.

French don't deserve god emperor Macron :'(

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« Reply #3368 on: August 14, 2017, 10:27:07 PM »
why are people being disillusioned?  other than them being French I mean.

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« Reply #3369 on: August 15, 2017, 07:41:55 PM »
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has since come under fire for his labour reform programme, budget and public spending cuts as well as a plan to create an official First Lady position for his 64-year-old wife Brigitte.

France's youngest ever president is especially out of favour with civil servants after vowing to put a brake on their salary increases.

Macron "must come down to earth and assume the political cost of his decisions," leading pollster Jerome Fourquet told AFP.

Proposed defence cuts -- part of a plan to trim 4.5 billion euros ($5.3 billion) to bring France's budget deficit within EU limits -- led to a public row last month with the head of the French armed forces, General Pierre de Villiers.
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Macron has fulfilled a key campaign promise, winning passage of legislation to clean up politics following a series of scandals, and tough new anti-terror measures are in the pipeline.

But prominent right-wing politician Eric Woerth scoffed that "nothing difficult has been done yet".
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The young president will come back from summer holidays to face protests against his labour reforms, with unions calling for strikes and marches while the radical left France Unbowed party plans a "people's rally".

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Ovie  yesterday
This man has deep psychological issues, first off he was molested and sexually abused as a young child by his current wife and her ex husband, when became of legal age his wife divorced her husband and married Macron. This is sick and anyone with half a functioning moral brain can see nothing but problems from that point on out.

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Expected outcome as Macron is the pro globalist Rothschild's choice since day one when they made it so that Marine Le Pen got blanked from any financing re loans in a Rothschild controlled banks in France.

They and their complicit media tricked the populace of the Republic.....again.

HelenHelen   yesterday
The worst is yet to come for voting for this loser. Le Pen should have been the president, the idiocy of the French people will cost them dearly.

Echo   yesterday
When the Global Deceit is this BIG, saying told so you translates to: TOO F'N LATE NOW! The left is always so surprised when their fantasies get exposed and they finally see their tiny emperor with no clothes to cover the inflated ego.

Welcome to the Apocalypse doused by inflammatory labels of the fake elites on the left and now ignited by the parroting goats of those same leftist demonic deceivers.

This is not hyperbole. You were warned. You ignored. You now will pay.

Dumb sheep didn't realize there is only one nature to the wolf. You either get eaten standing beside him, or you get chased down and eaten. The wolf sees only food.

Nom-nom time.

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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3370 on: August 16, 2017, 03:37:10 AM »
Also the novelty wore off fast. The whole Jupiter stuff probably fed up quite a few people a couple of weeks in.
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« Reply #3371 on: August 16, 2017, 06:21:14 AM »

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Ovie  yesterday
This man has deep psychological issues, first off he was molested and sexually abused as a young child by his current wife and her ex husband, when became of legal age his wife divorced her husband and married Macron. This is sick and anyone with half a functioning moral brain can see nothing but problems from that point on out.

SwervedriverSwervedriver  yesterday
Expected outcome as Macron is the pro globalist Rothschild's choice since day one when they made it so that Marine Le Pen got blanked from any financing re loans in a Rothschild controlled banks in France.

They and their complicit media tricked the populace of the Republic.....again.

HelenHelen   yesterday
The worst is yet to come for voting for this loser. Le Pen should have been the president, the idiocy of the French people will cost them dearly.

Echo   yesterday
When the Global Deceit is this BIG, saying told so you translates to: TOO F'N LATE NOW! The left is always so surprised when their fantasies get exposed and they finally see their tiny emperor with no clothes to cover the inflated ego.

Welcome to the Apocalypse doused by inflammatory labels of the fake elites on the left and now ignited by the parroting goats of those same leftist demonic deceivers.

This is not hyperbole. You were warned. You ignored. You now will pay.

Dumb sheep didn't realize there is only one nature to the wolf. You either get eaten standing beside him, or you get chased down and eaten. The wolf sees only food.

Nom-nom time.


Mélenchon stans are always entertaining.

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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3372 on: August 16, 2017, 07:13:10 AM »
those comments might not be the best examples as they have fairly standard English so i assume they're native speakers, but there's ones in the comments that are ever so slightly off in the various "tells" that they're likely from non-native speakers and i've seen this elsewhere post-French-election and even in German (being an American (and banned from NeoGAF.com -ed) the only other language i can read) where they all use metaphorical language like that last guy and in the same way with similar imagery, i just find it funny because it's new (post-Gamergate really...no, really it was on Gamergate articles i first started seeing it) and it's so relentlessly copied to where it's been backported even both into other groups and other languages, and there must be some origin point i'm unfamiliar with, though i never did read the redpill stuff maybe it's from that

some might note it's also similar to someone else we might be familiar with...no names please, talking behind his back is rude

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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3373 on: August 24, 2017, 08:04:46 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/24/emmanuel-macron-has-spent-26000-makeup-first-three-months-french/
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In potentially damaging news for the 39-year old centrist leader, whose popularity is waning, Le Point reported that his personal makeup artist - referred to only as Natacha M - put in two bills, one for €10,000 and another for €16,000.

The Elysee Palace defended the high fee saying: “We called in a contracter as a matter of urgency”.

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« Reply #3374 on: August 25, 2017, 04:31:33 AM »
Wow he's hitting those split times at record speed. Hollande had exactly the same with a hair stylist but "only" in year four or five, I believe.
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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3375 on: August 25, 2017, 01:21:00 PM »
So...is Le Pen going to be the French PM before the end of the year?
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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3376 on: August 25, 2017, 04:24:38 PM »
Macaron really is le petit Sarkozy

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« Reply #3377 on: August 25, 2017, 10:38:37 PM »
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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3378 on: August 26, 2017, 01:48:26 PM »
Canada GAF was pushing the line it only ever meant actual refugees and not economic migrants (it's the same with Macron). I guess it's true and fair but it really amounts to say you're adressing only the tiniest part of the issue (considering it's a massive gray area between the two and potential "proper" refugees aren't always treated with kid's gloves either). Isn't there millions of political refugees fleeing the war in Syria anyway ? Put up or shut up. Lebanon is doing it (not that they have a choice) and they bleed for it.

It's hard to shake the impression he tried to score brownie points as long as there was no effect to deal with.
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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3379 on: August 26, 2017, 02:06:38 PM »
This is just the Haitian migrants, Latin America migrants are the next group already moving to Canada because they figure Canada will never actually deport them.

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« Reply #3380 on: August 26, 2017, 07:35:06 PM »
the last part of that Treudeau post is basically a tautology

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« Reply #3381 on: August 26, 2017, 10:20:25 PM »
Except for Libertarian paradise Somalia, a country of no laws. :bow2
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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3382 on: August 26, 2017, 10:26:20 PM »
Somali society has operated under the Xeer system for millennia no matter who claimed a state of which Somalia has had an internationally recognized central government for all but nine of the last 70 years :bolo

You really stepped in it this time Molotov. I'll expect your resignation letter on my desk tomorrow if only to allow you to save face in front of the rest of The Bore.

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« Reply #3383 on: August 27, 2017, 08:34:54 AM »
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Majority of people in France now dissatisfied with Macron: poll

PARIS (Reuters) - Most French voters are now dissatisfied with Emmanuel Macron’s performance, a poll showed on Sunday, a dramatic decline for a president who basked in a landslide election victory less than four months ago.

The poll, conducted by Ifop for newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD), showed Macron’s “dissatisfaction rating” rising to 57 percent, from 43 percent in July.

Forty percent expressed satisfaction with the centrist leader - down 14 points from July.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-idUSKCN1B60RG?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59a2b8f204d3012d78c9d79e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Whomst could have predicted this

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« Reply #3384 on: August 29, 2017, 07:09:48 PM »
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The British prime minister, who is hungry for new trade agreements to show the benefits of Brexit, is expected to discuss a UK-Japan version of the deal Tokyo agreed in principle with the EU last month when she meets her Japanese counterpart Shinzo Abe.

But Japanese officials say their priority is completing the deal with Brussels, while negotiations with Britain will be difficult until there is clarity about its future relationship with the EU.

“I don’t think there will be substantial progress,” said one Japanese trade official. “We haven’t finished [free trade] negotiations with the EU, just agreed at the political level, and many issues still remain.”

The official said the UK side was being “quite aggressive” in pushing for a commitment on a future trade deal with the world’s fourth-largest economy. Mrs May will argue that such an arrangement would be mutually beneficial.

“We were big supporters of the EU/Japan trade deal and were engaged in negotiating it,” said one of Mrs May’s allies. “It would make sense for that deal to be replicated for us.”


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« Reply #3385 on: August 31, 2017, 10:44:19 AM »

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« Reply #3386 on: August 31, 2017, 12:17:22 PM »
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Majority of people in France now dissatisfied with Macron: poll

PARIS (Reuters) - Most French voters are now dissatisfied with Emmanuel Macron’s performance, a poll showed on Sunday, a dramatic decline for a president who basked in a landslide election victory less than four months ago.

The poll, conducted by Ifop for newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD), showed Macron’s “dissatisfaction rating” rising to 57 percent, from 43 percent in July.

Forty percent expressed satisfaction with the centrist leader - down 14 points from July.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-idUSKCN1B60RG?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59a2b8f204d3012d78c9d79e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

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What's driving the dis-satisfaction?
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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3387 on: August 31, 2017, 09:14:38 PM »

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« Reply #3388 on: September 01, 2017, 11:32:08 PM »
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A North Korean court sentenced two south Korean journalists and their publishers to death for “seriously insulting the dignity” of the country by reviewing and interviewing the British authors of a book about life in the North, its state media said on Thursday.
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The book, based on interviews with North Korean defectors, diplomats and traders, depicts a growing market economy where ordinary North Koreans enjoy access to south Korea music and TV dramas, fashion and smuggled Chinese and American films. Pearson wrote the book, published in 2015, before joining Reuters.

The Korean-language edition, published earlier this month with the title translated as “Capitalist Republic of Korea”, was reviewed by south Korea’s Dong-A Ilbo and Chosun Ilbo newspapers.

A spokesman for the North’s Central Court said in a statement carried by the country’s official KCNA news agency that the book “viciously slandered the reality of the DPRK”, the initials for North Korea’s official name of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. The book painted life in the country as increasingly capitalistic where money can buy power and influence, the spokesman said.

The south Korean journalists who reviewed the book “committed a hideous crime of seriously insulting the dignity of the DPRK with the use of dishonest contents” carried by “North Korea Confidential”, the court spokesman said.

The Central Court has ordered the execution of the journalists, Son Hyo-rim of the Dong-A Ilbo and Yang Ji-ho of the Chosun Ilbo, and the publishers of the newspapers. It also demanded the south Korean [puppet] government investigate their crimes and punish them, the state media said.

The court statement did not make any mention of punishment for the book’s authors.
Good to see someone speaking out against these conservative puppet reptile writers and their constant stream of imperialist lies.

Wouldn't be surprised if the puppet government gives these criminals medals instead of convicting them for their crimes as demanded.

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« Reply #3389 on: September 03, 2017, 09:01:29 PM »
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Majority of people in France now dissatisfied with Macron: poll

PARIS (Reuters) - Most French voters are now dissatisfied with Emmanuel Macron’s performance, a poll showed on Sunday, a dramatic decline for a president who basked in a landslide election victory less than four months ago.

The poll, conducted by Ifop for newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD), showed Macron’s “dissatisfaction rating” rising to 57 percent, from 43 percent in July.

Forty percent expressed satisfaction with the centrist leader - down 14 points from July.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-idUSKCN1B60RG?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59a2b8f204d3012d78c9d79e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Whomst could have predicted this

Who could have predicted that a supposed lib savior who put a charismatic face on the same old politics would end up being a disappointment

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« Reply #3390 on: September 03, 2017, 11:11:08 PM »
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin

BBC officially reporting in Nigerian pidgin.

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« Reply #3391 on: September 03, 2017, 11:54:17 PM »
I think the Norks have pushed the world a little too far over the last few days, I don't see a peaceful resolution to this at all :/

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« Reply #3392 on: September 04, 2017, 12:08:02 AM »
I think the Norks have pushed the world a little too far over the last few days, I don't see a peaceful resolution to this at all :/

I can't believe that "a seat at the grown-up table" is worth the kind of bullshit brinksmanship they've been pulling. There's part of me that hopes this will mean a short, sharp shove, and a unified, democratic Korea at the end of it. But there's no way they're going down without tremendous violence.

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« Reply #3393 on: September 04, 2017, 01:03:28 AM »
Continued bribes are far less costly than a war only maniacs want. Any war would be quite short, especially if it had China's full blessing (not to mention Japan and Russia's), but it would likely cost tens of millions of Korean lives alone unless the dead man's switch can be deactivated somehow.

Not to mention that the entirely peaceful re-unification of Germany had tremendous costs that weren't anticipated even with one side bending over backwards to absorb them and those parts weren't as far apart developmentally as the divided Koreas are.

The main point of the six-party talks with North Korea have always been to attempt to manipulate its decision making by letting it play the powers against each other in superficial ways. The best example being when we got "mad" at South Korea for holding its own talks with North Korea without our prior approval...something everybody in the region had wanted for years but only by the play-acting was North Korea finally roped in and agreed to things. That China, Japan and Russia also got to let off a bit of steam with each other in the process was the gravy. The five powers are far more in alignment than we pretend because otherwise we don't get that sixth party to do anything but pull back and shoot at stuff. (We essentially did the same thing, in two stages and with different parties, to certain factions within Iran much to the consternation of Johm McCain and neoconservatives.)

Of course, it often comes at odd times when the "world" finally decides to stop the easy route and just break it. Often for no apparent reason. Both Saddam and Ghaddafi twice found out how quickly promises aren't worth anything. How many lives has Basair al-Assad had since taking office? There are factions within North Korea that have to know that China's limited interest in the continued existence of it as a state are only out of China's short term interests which they would gladly waive with proper American assurances.

The main problem is that those assurances can't be made without tipping the hand that kills tens of millions of Koreans.

edit: what North Korea's been incredibly good at and the reason they even probably still exist as they do, is being flat out amazing at continuing to maintain a single facade for decades on end

iirc, there was some hope when the Soviet archives were opened that there'd be a strategy guide in there, but nope, they held the same single face to their benefactors, all the basics are useless, defectors almost never bring out useful information, etc.
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« Reply #3394 on: September 04, 2017, 03:38:17 AM »
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Majority of people in France now dissatisfied with Macron: poll

PARIS (Reuters) - Most French voters are now dissatisfied with Emmanuel Macron’s performance, a poll showed on Sunday, a dramatic decline for a president who basked in a landslide election victory less than four months ago.

The poll, conducted by Ifop for newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD), showed Macron’s “dissatisfaction rating” rising to 57 percent, from 43 percent in July.

Forty percent expressed satisfaction with the centrist leader - down 14 points from July.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-idUSKCN1B60RG?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59a2b8f204d3012d78c9d79e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Whomst could have predicted this

Who could have predicted that a supposed lib savior who put a charismatic face on the same old politics would end up being a disappointment

Yeah pretty much.
His popularity was really quite shallow to begin with.
His PR was too heavy handed all while his government discourse was confusing and muddied (with prominent promises pushed back than reinstated earlier). The only thing clear is that spending cuts (some he didn't campaigned on) are now while the good stuff is "soonish".

Also his Assembly majority had a rough time entering the mold and following the orderly traditions. Some MP apparently assaulted to the point if hospitalization a former Socialist cadre in a café last week, for instance

The facade that he had a master plan already cracked quite a bit.

Also labor reform is now starting and it's not exactly the avenue most conductive to being popular short term.
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« Reply #3395 on: September 04, 2017, 03:45:09 AM »
I don't get what the fuss is with North Korea, US could launch a strike and the country would be gone in seconds while they are sleeping. They wouldn't never know what hit them. Just poof.

Yeah it's horrible but fuck it. We would have some fallout to deal with but better then a rogue state with nukes making demands.

Better for Japan and South Korea too this way.

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« Reply #3396 on: September 04, 2017, 04:03:31 AM »
I don't get what the fuss is with North Korea, US could launch a strike and the country would be gone in seconds while they are sleeping. They wouldn't never know what hit them. Just poof.

Yeah it's horrible but fuck it. We would have some fallout to deal with but better then a rogue state with nukes making demands.
Well, one other than the state that just pre-emptively wiped another sovereign state off the map, killed tens of millions of people directly and who knows how many indirectly from the literal fallout of whatever munitions are used to accomplish the "poof" of 45,000+ square miles.

One that intervenes in and makes demands of other states constantly. And holds a Security Council veto.

Other than that one.

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« Reply #3397 on: September 04, 2017, 04:26:53 AM »
You really don't need to nuke the entire country just any bigger hot spots or military targets. A few dozen smaller nukes should do the trick. I doubt they will be launching ICBM from Pyong fucking nang.

If you have jungle rot in a limb you better cut it off. North Korea is jungle rot.

Better then them finally launching a nuke at Tokyo to make a point or something, whole of North Korea has a 25 million pop and we wont even kill them all.

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« Reply #3398 on: September 04, 2017, 04:35:29 AM »
The second nukes are used (again) in a non-retaliatory way all bets are off.  Why wouldn't Russia just drop a friendly nuke on a neighbor to soften them up? Why would other nations then not pursue nukes of their own to get to MAD status post haste?

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« Reply #3399 on: September 04, 2017, 04:37:30 AM »
This is really a scenario to prevent people joining the nuclear club. It wouldn't be "all bets are off" more like "gloves are off now" so the next country (and there is no other North Korea) will listen to reason.

The justification is world peace.

Also Russia really doesn't give a shit what the US does like that, if they wanted to drop a nuke they would.

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« Reply #3400 on: September 04, 2017, 04:48:04 AM »
You really don't need to nuke the entire country just any bigger hot spots or military targets. A few dozen smaller nukes should do the trick. I doubt they will be launching ICBM from Pyong fucking nang.

If you have jungle rot in a limb you better cut it off. North Korea is jungle rot.

Better then them finally launching a nuke at Tokyo to make a point or something, whole of North Korea has a 25 million pop and we wont even kill them all.
Taking out the ability of North Korea to launch a missile with a nuke on it is not something you do with a nuclear weapon. Israel didn't nuke Osirak for what should be blatantly obvious reasons.

That wouldn't even be the first target of any military strike on North Korea, the first target is taking out all of the weapons that will massacre Seoul if they aren't destroyed first. And the American military isn't convinced it can do that last I knew. And with a reckless nuclear attack potentially in the equation?

Deploying nukes as a first strike here or ever should not be desired. Using them to wipe a sovereign state, even one with a monstrous government like North Korea, off the map is barbaric. India and Pakistan have avoided nuclear war ffs.

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« Reply #3401 on: September 04, 2017, 04:54:13 AM »
Yes India and Pakistan are in a stalemate. Of course they wont be launching nukes and destroy each other.

North Korea is in no position to win or do real damage except maybe shell Seoul in the event of first strike, if the individual units evn would shell once it sinks in the country is done and the regime is gone.

This is the smaller price to pay then to let them develop even further as to where they can actually pin point nuke what they want!

Time of appeasement is over imho, it doesn't work with these people.

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« Reply #3402 on: September 04, 2017, 05:07:41 AM »
Yeah, these types of situations are real easy to make decisions about when you write off tens of millions of lives as a "small price to pay." Considering saving those exact lives is kinda the whole fucking point of the diplomatic dance we've been doing for decades.

Nobody thinks North Korea can "win", now or long term, but you're proposing starting a mass slaughter on a peninsula with 75 million people using significant numbers of nuclear weapons as a preemptive first strike. A line that's never been crossed in human history. Because at some point in the future North Korea may be able to cross that line first before being obliterated instead of during.

This is not to mention the literal fallout that China and Japan will enjoy. And the mass refuge crisis that will swamp the region as well.

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« Reply #3403 on: September 04, 2017, 05:12:50 AM »
You know we should just keep talking to them I'm sure they will come around soon now that they have WMD and delivery capabilities within reach.

Reasonable lad that Kim.

If we just give him what he wants he will back down and hand over his toys. I suggest giving South Korea first as a sign of goodwill. Next Japan. Maybe some parts of China.

We're getting further and further away from a peaceful solution every hour they have to improve their arsenal.

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« Reply #3404 on: September 04, 2017, 05:15:27 AM »
are you trolling or are you really this fucking stupid

you're dumb even for an arsenal supporter

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« Reply #3405 on: September 04, 2017, 05:19:00 AM »
Clearly you have a better solution.

Please let me hear how you suggest to have Kim fall in line.

More sanctions? Less sanctions?

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« Reply #3406 on: September 04, 2017, 05:29:12 AM »
my solution is we nuke your dumb ass

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« Reply #3407 on: September 04, 2017, 05:31:27 AM »
If the North Korean government wishes to stay in power, and rather more importantly in my view, alive then it will make rational decisions none of which include starting a war it will immediately lose and wind up with its leadership decimated. (Though this is of course no guarantee as to individual lives of those who cross the leadership.) As such we can engage in fairly reasonable diplomacy with them that prevents the murder of millions of Koreans as the minimum cost. None of which implies handing them territory they couldn't control considering they have larger problems. You know, like was done with Iran.

If the North Korean government is not a rational actor and/or does not value its power enough to not immediately blow its nuclear wad on a foreign city then you'll get your mass slaughter and war anyway.

So there's no point in the United States starting it with the largest scale first attack in human history almost assuredly against the wishes of the largest nuclear power in the region.

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« Reply #3408 on: September 04, 2017, 05:39:46 AM »
Iran was never at the stage where Korea is though.

Anyway what do I know, I'm just commenting from a perspective of growing up sandwiched between Germany and Russia, losing 25% of the population of our country 80 years ago, having my grandma survive horrible shit in Auschwitz and other camps, having my whole city leveled to the ground etc. This by a dictator who was given too much leeway because surely he would never ever ever but he did and so here we are still cleaning up the debris almost a century later.

Maybe its a different mentality, a survivors mentality, its different in the west where there is the lets just keep the status quo mentality. This is also why Americans often fail to understand the Russian mind set, who also share this fatalistic viewpoint with us.



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« Reply #3409 on: September 04, 2017, 05:40:56 AM »
my solution is we nuke your dumb ass
I cannot endorse this action either, even if Lager is becoming a rogue state threatening to nuke others.

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« Reply #3410 on: September 04, 2017, 05:51:05 AM »
Anyway what do I know, I'm just commenting from a perspective of growing up sandwiched between Germany and Russia, losing 25% of the population of our country 80 years ago, having my grandma survive horrible shit in Auschwitz and other camps, having my whole city leveled to the ground etc. Maybe its a different mentality, a survivors mentality, its different in the west where there is the lets just keep the status quo mentality.

This by a dictator who was given too much leeway because surely he would never ever ever but he did and so here we are still cleaning up the debris almost a century later.
I mean you know why there's a North and South Korea right? They already did this whole part too, only kept one half (and for a while the other half too) as an authoritarian shit hole. And the whole point is trying to avoid their reunification coming after leveling the two largest cities and who knows what else to the ground. Again.

You're just proposing some kind of nuclear holocaust to kick start the slaughter out of impatience or whatever.

The whole point of obtaining a nuke is to try and regain some leverage because of how weak they are. Except it doesn't change anything in the larger scheme because it's still a suicidal threat.

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Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
« Reply #3411 on: September 04, 2017, 06:16:34 AM »
Just send in Snake. It's not that hard.

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« Reply #3412 on: September 04, 2017, 06:21:23 AM »
Just send in Snake. It's not that hard.

Pliskin or Solid?

Also LOL at curly's "response" to Lager's question.

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« Reply #3413 on: September 04, 2017, 10:04:00 PM »
Just send in Snake. It's not that hard.

Pliskin or Solid?

Also LOL at curly's "response" to Lager's question.

Both. And all the James Bonds, just to be sure.
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« Reply #3414 on: September 06, 2017, 09:01:40 AM »
Meanwhile Polish PIS regime is contemplating officialy asking Germany for aroun 800-1000 billion euro war damage payment.

Hard to say how I feel about this, on one hand it makes sense of course.

On the other hand the Peoples Republic of Poland waived reparation claims. So if we assume continuity of government... and if we say it doesn't count cause commies then we can also say Nazi government doesn't count.
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« Reply #3416 on: September 08, 2017, 05:41:18 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/08/uk-response-to-hurricane-irma-was-swift-says-no-10

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The criticism spread to the Conservative ranks when Lord Naseby, a Conservative peer, demanded ministers explain why they had failed to do more to protect “hundreds of thousands of British citizens potentially in peril”.

“Given that hurricanes are not new in the Caribbean and always happen at this time of the year, why it is there was no standby facility to deal with this sort of emergency given that we see that France and Holland had prepared and as a result were able to react much more speedily than we were able to do?

Brits slow as fuck to reply to any sort of weather-related issue. News at 11, Lord Naseby.

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« Reply #3417 on: September 10, 2017, 02:56:28 AM »
time for a little of my ignorant foreign election round-up

I'll have to look into it, but Norway votes Monday and practically overnight they went from a guaranteed left majority to re-election of the current right majority in the polling. I don't know if it was a debate or what but Labour imploded, they've dropped over ten points in a week. The Centre Party which was the other hope for a left majority also has fallen. And there's been no major shift to another party really, it's that they seemingly re-allocated across the spectrum, like the Left Party got a bump from Labour's collapse but it was only a couple points.

Basically every poll since August started has shown what was looking like a 5-10 point left victory is now showing a 5-10 point incumbent right majority victory. Just to take one polling firm, Kantar, back near the middle of May had a 53-42 win for the left, end of June they showed a 50-43 win for the left, but then suddenly in Mid August they showed 45-45 tie, now they're showing a 48-50/43-44 win for the right incumbents in their rolling poll.

Even in the last election where the right-coalition won, Labour still got the top vote (as they have in every election since 1927) and they won by four points over the Conservatives. Polls these last few weeks have shown the parties basically tied, though a reading of the polls as a two point Labour lead is probably more accurate. Still, back in July they were up 32-21 in a poll that now shows them tied 25-25. I am definitely going to have to look into what's been going on.

At the same time Norwegian Labour is collapsing, New Zealand Labour has had a corresponding jump from the 25-ish range they were stuck in to 43% and they're now the favored coalition majority.

They'll be overlooked because Germany votes the next day. But I don't think Martin Schulz (who I still find weird) is going to become Chancellor.

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« Reply #3418 on: September 12, 2017, 02:04:36 AM »
Norway government held on to be re-elected with 95% reporting. Even with all four parties losing at least one seat. Labour with its worst overall performance since 2001 and before that 1924. Red Party, the once Maoist splinter of the Communist Party, won its first seat due to its sexy leader. (I assume.) First time a self-declared Communist party will have a seat since 1957.

Onto NZ and Deustchsland.

Singapore was scheduled to have a Presidential election but it turns out that only one candidate was found to be eligible. Weird.

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« Reply #3419 on: September 14, 2017, 05:58:01 PM »
Macron is hitting those home runs, it's crazy.

Subsidies to help tenants might be cut way deeper than 5 euros, but we must not fear as public companies managing social housing are expected to cut rents accordingly, something they just learnt. They're not thrilled. No measures to try to curb private landlords -where half of those subsidies go- practices are being considered.

The government also cut a ton of "helped contracts". Now granted those subsidized contracts for small jobs are a band aid, but just cutting them on a whim is bad, especially as it impacts schools (among other administrations and associations) as classes open for the new year. Local politicians are furious (up to right wing mayors) about the disruption on top of facing revenue cuts with the downsizing of the tenant's tax and credits from the state. Because of this Macron is expected to face his first electoral hard times in the upcoming Senate renewal : Senators are elected indirectly by local office holders...

Macron also moaned about "cynics and slackers" blocking labor reform in France. It was later clarified that the slackers were in fact the previous administrations for slacking on reforms. Didn't convince a lot of people.

There's also word of the government trying to negotiate the end of the special pension system for train drivers at the national railways SNCF (an "infamous" case being bandied about at each reform) in exchange for the state buying some of the SNCF debt (mostly contracted because of infrastructure investment for new high speed line). It's a bizarre deal idea and train drivers don't really understand why they would have to pay for their employer's unrelated policies (mostly shaped by political agendas).

Oh and rebuilding St Martin and St Bart after Irma is also gonna cost hundreds of millions. There's some controversy on how first aid and rescue efforts were conducted.

All in all the government really seems flippant and haphazard. They want to cut something, anything. And now. The labor reform was negotiated beforehand with unions but most of the rest are surprises that were never on the table and that they're trying to jam through.

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