Corona Thread |OT| Nu variant, who dis?

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https://twitter.com/DavePostsTweets/status/1263506430667247618

 

[Mr Gilhaney]

Restaurants and shit fully opened here now. Went to get a steak and the place was absolutely packed. Looking back, I probably shouldn't have taken salad from the buffet.

[CatsCatsCats]

Restaurants and shit fully opened here now. Went to get a steak and the place was absolutely packed. Looking back, I probably shouldn't have taken salad from the buffet.

I hear a song in the distance..

[Occam]

It's absolutely moronic to enter crowded enclosed spaces at the moment.

[Tripon]

California leading deaths today. 

[Flannel Boy]

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1263507332224475136

If we use official death figures, that's an IFR of 1.1%. If we use the Financial Times' excess deaths figure of 55,000, we get 1.65%.

To get herd immunity in the UK, we need 500-750k deaths.

[Flannel Boy]

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California leading deaths today. 

Looks like the US will be close to 1,500 by the end of the day. I'm not saying there won't be a second wave in the US, but it's more likely we'll just see a never-ending first wave.

[Occam]

It just occurred to me, if the cabronavirus had hit in 2016, there would have been no Brexit and no President Tmurp.

[Mandark]

I dunno about all that.

[Mr Gilhaney]

It's absolutely moronic to enter crowded enclosed spaces at the moment.

time to man up, get corona and die if that is the will of Allah. 

[Mandark]

Looks like the US will be close to 1,500 by the end of the day. I'm not saying there won't be a second wave in the US, but it's more likely we'll just see a never-ending first wave.

Yeah, feels like we're settling in to a period where R₀ = ~1, which would be a lot cooler if we'd smashed infections down to a South Korea level.

OTOH deaths are a lagging indicator and cases are slowly going down despite a higher amount of testing so maybe it's looking a bit better than that.

[Tripon]

The coronavirus pandemic continues its deadly march through rural counties and small towns across the country, led by flareups in Southern and Midwestern states that are becoming new epicenters of the outbreak.

Almost 80 percent of Americans now live in counties where the virus is spreading widely, according to an analysis by the Brookings Institution demographer William Frey.

In the last week, 176 counties have started to see substantial spread of the virus. The vast majority of those, 159, are smaller exurban or rural counties. The increased transmission in those areas shows the virus's spread outward from its initial hubs in major cities like New York, Detroit, San Francisco, Seattle and New Orleans and into neighboring regions.

But the virus is also beginning to attack some cities that avoided an initial wave, a troubling reminder that it could still infect millions of Americans who have so far been safe.

Highly populated areas like Tampa and St. Petersburg, Fla., are now reporting dozens of new cases. Collin County, Texas, in the Dallas metroplex, and Wake County, N.C., are also showing signs of broader spread.

So are smaller, more rural communities like Yell County, Ark., and exurban areas outside of major cities like Minneapolis, Milwaukee and Columbus, Ohio.

"The U.S. is very large and diverse in terms of population density and movement. This is partially why we are seeing different experiences across the country," said Amira Roess, an epidemiologist at George Mason University's College of Health and Human Services. "In general, we are continuing to see outbreaks in less urban areas in the U.S."

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/499009-covid-19-spreading-through-southern-midwestern-states

[Occam]

It's absolutely moronic to enter crowded enclosed spaces at the moment.

time to man up, get corona and die if that is the will of Allah. 

God obviously hates stupid people, why else would he punish them as much as he does?

[Mandark]

don't

[Mr Gilhaney]

God obviously hates stupid people, why else would he punish them as much as he does?

0 new cases in my area and the ones neighboring for a week now. 

But I am going to the hospital like once a week at this rate for tests. If I will catch it from fucking anywhere... 

[shosta]

Looks like the US will be close to 1,500 by the end of the day. I'm not saying there won't be a second wave in the US, but it's more likely we'll just see a never-ending first wave.

Worth pointing out that the apparent constancy in US deaths is two trends: New York cases going down and other areas going up.

[Nintex]

It just occurred to me, if the cabronavirus had hit in 2016, there would have been no Brexit and no President Tmurp.

Not true, big part of their victories involved the death cult of ISIS running amok and economic difficulties.
Plus it is unlikely that Obama would've closed the borders first like Trump did.
It would've probably meant a bigger role for Bannon in the White House and an aggressive China policy and sealing borders completely from the start.

COVID-19 in the middle of the ISIS conquest and refugee crisis? 

COVID-19 in 2015 would've made had a different outcome for the US. Trump would've been focused on keeping his hotel business alive and wouldn't have announced, by 2016 he was already on the path of no return.
Without Trump in the race it would've likely been President Jeb! or Cruz. Hillary would've had pneumonia and COVID-19 on 9/11 and probably wouldn't have made it. 

[Mr Gilhaney]

agreed. obama couldnt have handled the corona crisis.

[Tripon]

It just occurred to me, if the cabronavirus had hit in 2016, there would have been no Brexit and no President Tmurp.

Republicans tried to use Ebola back in 2014/2015 as an attack on Obama despite only a few cases and no community spread.

If anything, if this novel coronavirus got hit in 2016, half the state would have tried to burn off the other half. And we would have gotten vice president Rand Paul because he's a fake doctor. 

[Mandark]

"Imagine if [Democratic president] did this thing Trump did!" has been run into the ground, but if Obama was president and encouraging shelter-at-home orders while asking Congress for trillions of dollars of emergency funds?

It would have gotten messy.

[shosta]

There would have been a lot “suspect” about the logistics and perception of the logistics.

don't

To you, unacceptable exists within a framework that is probably disjointed from the intention of what he posted.

[Mandark]

Remember how the governor of Texas acted like Jade Helm was a real thing? How Rubio was running as a mainstream Republican by saying Obama was knowingly and deliberately trying to sabotage the country?

Then Obama says* we're shutting down all the businesses, telling cops to arrest small business owners for giving people haircuts, and we're going to explode the deficit so I can give money to people who aren't working. More money than they'd make if they were working, even.

Those nutjob protests get a lot bigger, lemme tell ya.

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Or backs up governors who order shutdowns, not like anyone would be making the distinction.

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[Nintex]

The media would've kept their 'it's just the flu' spiel up longer as they wouldn't necessarily have wanted to fight the White House (except for maybe the Fox News a few other outlets), which would've made a reverse in course harder.
The Obama White House was ill prepared for something like this in 2016 when all eyes were on the Middle East and the transition to a new administration.

It would've hit China and probably the war zones in Syria/Iraq first through Russia.
Air traffic between the US/EU/China would've not been halted as quickly, allowing it to spread further much faster including to the millions of refugees stuck in camps or migration centers.
The only way this has a better outcome is if China had decided to come clean and warned everybody, which wouldn't have happened.

Instead Wolf Blitzer would've been interviewing 'renowned businessman' Donald Trump about the need for a bailout for hotels and airlines because people are afraid to travel plus what a mess it was in New York.

Other countries would've been in a worse position too, Greece dealing with the refugee crisis, France with President Hollande and the Tories caught completely off guard in the middle of their leadership contest.
Most nations would've been paralyzed and few leaders would have had the political capital to do a lockdown.

[Occam]

There would have been a lot “suspect” about the logistics and perception of the logistics.

don't

To you, unacceptable exists within a framework that is probably disjointed from the intention of what he posted.

What is unacceptable to one, may be imperative to another.

[Mandark]

Okay 20 points to shosta for that.

[Tripon]

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If the Flu Pandemic of 2009 happened today, it would have exploded as a topic.

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[Flannel Boy]

Yeah, feels like we're settling in to a period where R₀ = ~1, which would be a lot cooler if we'd smashed infections down to a South Korea level.
OTOH deaths are a lagging indicator and cases are slowly going down despite a higher amount of testing so maybe it's looking a bit better than that.

The R₀ is ~1 (0.99 from 0.91 a couple of weeks ago) according to https://covid19-projections.com, which is run by Youyang Gu. Apparently over the last month, he's had the most accurate projections.

OTOH deaths are a lagging indicator and cases are slowly going down despite a higher amount of testing so maybe it's looking a bit better than that.

We're at 25,964 new cases today at worldometers.info, which I think is the most in about a week. Youyang Gu says that the 7-day avg of new confirmed cases has been ticking up in the past few days, after consistently falling for a straight month.

The more expansive testing is the less likely the additional tests will yield positives.

[shosta]

Okay 20 points to shosta for that.

this is like tripping and still hitting the bullseye... I take full credit

[Cauliflower Of Love]

obama would have given mcconnel & friends 1/3rd of a trillion of dollars for them to fuck over their constituents in order to get the resources needed to get thermometers.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/rumireports/status/1263352830225551360

#madcoronavibes

[Positive Touch]

when nintex makes long posts i like to imagine his avatar babbling at me like a Rare character while i smile and nod before patting him on the head and sending him away

[Nintex]

The media would've kept their 'it's just the flu' spiel up longer as they wouldn't necessarily have wanted to fight the White House (except for maybe the Fox News a few other outlets), which would've made a reverse in course harder.
The Obama White House was ill prepared for something like this in 2016 when all eyes were on the Middle East and the transition to a new administration.

It would've hit China and probably the war zones in Syria/Iraq first through Russia.
Air traffic between the US/EU/China would've not been halted as quickly, allowing it to spread further much faster including to the millions of refugees stuck in camps or migration centers.
The only way this has a better outcome is if China had decided to come clean and warned everybody, which wouldn't have happened.

Instead Wolf Blitzer would've been interviewing 'renowned businessman' Donald Trump about the need for a bailout for hotels and airlines because people are afraid to travel plus what a mess it was in New York.

Other countries would've been in a worse position too, Greece dealing with the refugee crisis, France with President Hollande and the Tories caught completely off guard in the middle of their leadership contest.
Most nations would've been paralyzed and few leaders would have had the political capital to do a lockdown.

The Obama White House LITERALLY HAD A PANDEMIC PLAYBOOK to handle exactly this situation in 2016 you nard

They would've had the same setbacks of China not telling everyone there was a deadly virus in the first place or lying about how human to human transmission wasn't possible.
There would've also been the same worldwide shortages of PPE's and other materials needed to handle such an outbreak.

Many countries that had a playbook for events like this like the UK and The Netherlands completely botched their response anyway.
While countries with little to no resources to handle this situation like Taiwan did a fantastic job (mostly because they didn't trust China).
A playbook wouldn't have guaranteed a different outcome. Fauci is pretty much the most renowned expert in this field of viral outbreaks and pretty much all his recommendations have been followed.
We're seeing the same type of response on a global level just different levels of 'lockdown' depending on specific conditions in the country.

How would the Obama administration for example have been more effective in containing the outbreak in New York? What could they have done differently?
Do you think Obama would've banned all travel from and to China when the virus started in Wuhan? Doing the opposite of the other G7 members?

The Obama White House would've been completely overwhelmed by this, just like the world is now. Perhaps even more so considering the fact that many other events were happening at the same time.

[Nintex]

The Trump administration had nothing to do with containing the outbreak in NY or any other state/city as that's all been handled locally. The travel ban from China didn't matter because 1. Nearly half a million people came in from China after the ban and the virus came to the west coast that way anyway and 2. No one gave a fuck about European travel and what hit New York and the rest of the east coast came from Italy, not China.

Exactly, so you would've more or less had the same outcome playbook or not until now at least.

What happens next is where things get more dicey. Opening up too early could have big consequences but restrictions being lifted is also currently a worldwide trend.

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[Nintex]

In other 2020 news, Iran is entering its second wave.

[Nintex]

The Trump administration had nothing to do with containing the outbreak in NY or any other state/city as that's all been handled locally. The travel ban from China didn't matter because 1. Nearly half a million people came in from China after the ban and the virus came to the west coast that way anyway and 2. No one gave a fuck about European travel and what hit New York and the rest of the east coast came from Italy, not China.

Exactly, so you would've more or less had the same outcome playbook or not until now at least.

What happens next is where things get more dicey. Opening up too early could have big consequences but restrictions being lifted is also currently a worldwide trend.

You're arguing the Obama administration would have done worse than the Trump administration by using both Trump administration failures and also successes they had nothing to do with as examples why Trump is doing a better job than Obama would have. You stupid fuck.

Not really, I'm saying they both failed but Obama would've been in a worse position given the fact that the world in its entirety was in a bad place in 2016, hence the reason why Trumpo got elected in the first place
I don't see anything that Obama or anyone but the Chinese government could've done that would've made the start of the outbreak any different.

So I'm asking you specifically, what you think Obama could've done or would've done that would've changed the outcome of the outbreak.

[Akala]

I'd riskily be in an open Vegas now if Obama was pres.

[shosta]

Akala, fuck it, let's go the casinos once they're back open, dude.

BoreCon 2020: You either live like a bitch or die like a man.

[shosta]

porkbun still won't tell me where all the illegal cockfighting is around here though

[Akala]

We are probably going to wait till Julyish depending on/to see how bad it spikes, want to balance having the most amount of shit open versus getting in before the 2nd/Fall wave shuts everything down again.

[shosta]

There's no guarantee I'll be alive by then

[Tripon]

Akala, fuck it, let's go the casinos once they're back open, dude.

BoreCon 2020: You either live like a bitch or die like a man.

Go get that diamond status at Caesars, and Wyndham. Free parking, free valet, $100 restaurant credit, discounted tickets, waived resort fee, etc.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g45963-i10-k12591339-o10-Shortcut_to_Caesars_Diamond-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html

[Akala]

implying I don't have diamond till like 2022 at this point 

[shosta]

six months from now I'll be apologizing for all the people I killed because borecon turned out to be a so-called superspreader event that singularly caused the second wave of coronavirus

on the bright side, the bore dot com will get a ton of visibility

[Mandark]

I can see the headline: "From Jordan Peterson Superfan to Coronavirus Superspreader: A Story of the Dark Web"

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[thisismyusername]

Job is only getting 2-10 folks coming a day.

Director of the business is like "Y'aLl ShOuLd Be HaPpY yOu EvEn HaVe A jOb!!!!!!" and I'm like " But I'd get paid more if you just furloughed me..."

[Cryo]

had to sit through a meeting where the head of our company told us after checking the numbers every day, he declared "corona is over" while simultaneously asking the two coworkers who don't work 5 days a week (bc no childcare available) to come in 5 days a week

[Positive Touch]

i'm preparing to quit my job within the month because they say they've got it figured out so we can all sit in the same small-ass room and somehow not infect each other. i went in today and the solution was having people sit along the walls while having everyone walk against the walls in the hallway   sorry but i'd rather die from going broke than from getting infected  at a job that pays me poverty-level wages.

it's bad enough they've been up my ass about doing meaningless busywork at home when i could have been making more while furloughed, but now i gotta die so this fucking company can keep bringing in money? stupid

[bluemax]

So when do we talk about how absolutely fucked Brazil is?

[Tripon]

[Great Rumbler]

Latest numbers from the county neighboring mine [I do most of my shopping and eating there since my home county is pretty barren]:



 

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[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1263673000668233729
https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1263673013972553729
https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1263673015591530496
https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1263673030535901184
https://twitter.com/_amburgerrr/status/1263225000171102220

https://twitter.com/HernandezJavier/status/1263677612510949377
https://twitter.com/breakfast_dogs/status/1263680643122126849

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/_amburgerrr/status/1263225000171102220

Slightly related:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-lockdown-breaking-madrid-miami-entitled-americans-a9517476.html

To quote filler and *autistic screeching*: Sounds about White.

filler, bb: You can quote me and put this in your "THE WHITES!!!!" thread.

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[thisismyusername]

I heard the front door open. The kids ran out. I hoped they’d do what I told them: “Do not let anyone in the house, not even a cop. Do not tell them I’m here. Just say hi to Mami Vicky.”


I heard voices. I heard footsteps. Minutes later, Vicky and the kids came upstairs. The cop was gone. The coast was clear.

It took Vicky hours to relax. She told me the story. She told my mom, her brother, her sister. She had her story down.


She said, “They held me for an hour. It was police brutality. The cop at the checkpoint looked at my paperwork and told me to make a U-turn. I said I came through four days ago with my kids. He said, ‘You should not have been let through; turn around.’ I pulled over. I wasn’t going to leave. I said I needed to speak to a deputy. I said I left my kids alone. The deputy told me to shut up. That’s when I started crying. I said I went out to run errands. I tried to show him the plastic drawers I just bought at Walmart. But he was not interested in evidence. He said, ‘Listen, lady, I’ve been here 13 hours listening to bulls**t stories like yours.’”

Like, I get wanting to be with your family. But hollllllllllllllllllllllllly shiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt

[Ghoul]

Judging by the fuckery going on with unlimited exercise and being able to travel 2+ hours to beaches and the bank holiday weekend being this weekend in the U.K. I can see there being a large build up of cases over next 14 days from Monday, could even be what starts second peak. Boris has also gone missing he’s not done a briefing in absolutely ages and the limited info we are getting is absolute shit. Meant to have the tracing app by 1st June but that sure as fuck isn’t happening. Apparently the app is shit and barely works lol.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1263703916946087936
https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1263596505203486720

[nudemacusers]

Daddy needs more corobabux; where they at.