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« Reply #1260 on: June 01, 2020, 07:16:42 PM »
More than being a Hitler wannabe, he looks more like a Evangelical version of Franco.

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« Reply #1261 on: June 01, 2020, 07:17:18 PM »
ETA until Trump says the phrase: Deus lo vult ?

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« Reply #1263 on: June 01, 2020, 07:18:31 PM »
Military police attacked peaceful protesters while the president threatened to unleash the military on American citizens all so he could get the area cleared to take a photo op with a bible in front of a church
i remember benji saying a couple years back how reagan was a ‘great’ president in that he understood how to manipulate the spectacle of the presidency (“tear down that wall“ in front of the cameras, and whatot). trump is like the sharknado version of that

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« Reply #1264 on: June 01, 2020, 07:19:05 PM »
This is the guy that cheated on his pregnant wife with a pornstar taking a photo op with a bible? 

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« Reply #1265 on: June 01, 2020, 07:19:15 PM »
twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1267594813710446593

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thank god for videojournalism because the "then as farce" iteration of fascism would have been completely unbelievable otherwise
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« Reply #1267 on: June 01, 2020, 07:21:57 PM »
time will tell if he actually takes any military action but it sounded to me like he was trying to take credit for what's already happening, telling governors to take advantage of the mobilized national guard, so when the riots end he can pretend like this speech is what did it
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« Reply #1268 on: June 01, 2020, 07:22:05 PM »
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« Reply #1269 on: June 01, 2020, 07:24:20 PM »
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« Reply #1270 on: June 01, 2020, 07:26:24 PM »
Well, you have to hand it to Trump.

After 4 nights of rioting and everyone thinking 'this can't get any crazier' the motherfucker dialed the crazy up to 11 within less than 30 minutes
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« Reply #1271 on: June 01, 2020, 07:26:47 PM »
White men discovering monotheism to prevent natives from being cannibals (2020, colorized)
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« Reply #1272 on: June 01, 2020, 07:27:22 PM »
Nike and video game companies have found their social conscience.

Note: The black lives that matter are not the underpaid workers in the sweatshops, the consumer base that was whipped into a killing frenzy, or the developers who are overworked and oftentimes laid off to preserve shareholders' profits.


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« Reply #1273 on: June 01, 2020, 07:28:51 PM »
Always funny that there are parts of the culture war where Trump really mind-melds with his base (the racism, xenophobia, macho posturing) and other aspects that he obviously doesn't grok but knows they play well (guns & bibles).

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Re: Is the world burning?
« Reply #1275 on: June 01, 2020, 07:30:31 PM »
Where the fuck is Kara
He's probably out there instead of shitposting like us
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« Reply #1276 on: June 01, 2020, 07:34:30 PM »
everyone arguing over the efficacy of violent protest at their keyboards  :rejoice

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« Reply #1277 on: June 01, 2020, 07:35:27 PM »
I have medical concerns, this is my frontline :ufup

Me too.  I'm Canadian.

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« Reply #1278 on: June 01, 2020, 07:39:24 PM »
What tv show do you think Biden is watching in his basement right now?

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« Reply #1279 on: June 01, 2020, 07:41:08 PM »
What tv show do you think Biden is watching in his basement right now?

Hopefully The Last Airbender, he probably missed out on it when it first aired.

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« Reply #1280 on: June 01, 2020, 07:45:53 PM »
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1267602006279024640

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« Reply #1281 on: June 01, 2020, 07:50:18 PM »
Surprised they didn't include some trophy protestors. 


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« Reply #1284 on: June 01, 2020, 08:00:22 PM »
Tom Cotton's always been that genocidal
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« Reply #1286 on: June 01, 2020, 08:06:41 PM »
213372bu's tired of Third Way Clintonite horserace centrist idpol MSM neoliberalism and is ready to burn it all down until his posts get likes.

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« Reply #1287 on: June 01, 2020, 08:08:14 PM »
"No quarter"? Mass domestic murder 'dogwhistles' are the move now for GOP?
This is the part where a Bore poster quotes me with:

"As if they only just began doing that  :lol "

and gets 11 more likes than me  :maf

11 more than zero is still zero since numbers are just opinions. 


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« Reply #1289 on: June 01, 2020, 08:10:12 PM »
"No quarter"? Mass domestic murder 'dogwhistles' are the move now for GOP?
This is the part where a Bore poster quotes me with:

"As if they only just began doing that  :lol "

and gets 11 more likes than me  :maf

Likes cannot be chased down, they have to be attracted

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« Reply #1290 on: June 01, 2020, 08:11:05 PM »
https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1267608993129693184

this is the tweet that made me realize everyone is insane
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« Reply #1291 on: June 01, 2020, 08:12:34 PM »
that 2A reference though. my dude is a few months away from letting boogaloo groyper guys be the freikorps against people who use picrew avatars

I need to stop making cursed posts :titus

https://twitter.com/MattZeitlin/status/1267600479703482368

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« Reply #1292 on: June 01, 2020, 08:12:48 PM »
"No quarter"? Mass domestic murder 'dogwhistles' are the move now for GOP?

As if they only just began doing that :lol
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« Reply #1293 on: June 01, 2020, 08:16:49 PM »

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« Reply #1294 on: June 01, 2020, 08:19:32 PM »
no soup for you
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« Reply #1295 on: June 01, 2020, 08:20:04 PM »
Someone call in the National Guard to kettle the other forums thread.

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« Reply #1296 on: June 01, 2020, 08:20:43 PM »
"No quarter"? Mass domestic murder 'dogwhistles' are the move now for GOP?

As if they only just began doing that.  :lol

Edit: GODDAMN IT, JOE.

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« Reply #1297 on: June 01, 2020, 08:22:49 PM »
Was warned about being outflanked by Tom Cotton, didn't realize it would be with an actual cavalry unit.

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« Reply #1298 on: June 01, 2020, 08:22:55 PM »
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« Reply #1300 on: June 01, 2020, 08:31:35 PM »
But in seriousness, I have not seen a single actionable plan about how to achieve police reform, except for maybe reinstating Obama's demilitarization stuff.  It's crazy how everyone in the media can simultaneously agree that racism is bad and structural but don't engage with the question of how to change that.   And in an election year, you think that would be the first thing that happens.  Shame the Dem primaries finished when they did.

The only thing that can fix it is pouring an absolute fucking ton of money into policing; training, graduate career programs, higher wages, more ancillary staff, structural changes. If you don't want to attract the kind of people that get off on exerting authority over people, you have to make it an attractive career for normal people.

But how is anyone going to put that into a manifesto without it looking like rewarding them for their bad behaviour?
Or justify pouring money into the police over things like urban regeneration, education or healthcare?

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« Reply #1301 on: June 01, 2020, 08:32:20 PM »
That's completely wrong.
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« Reply #1302 on: June 01, 2020, 08:34:48 PM »
the left is pushing abolition, not reform
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« Reply #1303 on: June 01, 2020, 08:42:11 PM »
I think I saw that the NYPD officer who pushed the woman down and called her a bitch made ~$250k last year.

Jobs in security will always attract guys who are, let's say a bit too comfortable physically exerting authority over other people.

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« Reply #1304 on: June 01, 2020, 08:44:58 PM »
The cops make a lot of money anyway, NYPD has a budget of 6 BILLION apparently. The issue isn't just who it attracts. What you really need is consequences for abuse of power in the position and actual punishment. As it stans cops are above the law, it's not about whether normal people join in or not.

Thats what structural change means.
If you don't have people concerned about improving community relations running things and you give them a bigger budget, they'll just spend it on new toys like cars and helicopters, not on things like recruiting people with backgrounds in sociology or behavioural psychology to come up with new operational methods.

e: Like, if you have people already doing the job a certain way ask for more money, they will spend it on things to make their jobs easier. What the money needs to be spent on is on doing the job better.

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« Reply #1305 on: June 01, 2020, 08:45:02 PM »
If you can designate Antifa a terrorist organization you can designate the NYPD as one.  Hope you guys get a lefty president that can abuse terror laws someday. 

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« Reply #1306 on: June 01, 2020, 08:45:15 PM »
Where the fuck is Kara

Liking my Evangelion tweets. :heart

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« Reply #1307 on: June 01, 2020, 08:45:26 PM »
I think I saw that the NYPD officer who pushed the woman down and called her a bitch made ~$250k last year.

Jobs in security will always attract guys who are, let's say a bit too comfortable physically exerting authority over other people.

 :brain mandatory all petite female police force nationwide  :brain
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« Reply #1313 on: June 01, 2020, 08:56:21 PM »
Thats what structural change means.
No. To be only slightly tautological... structural change must change the structure of policing. You can't just do the Biden plan and somehow take the racist bits out of the police department (because it's not possible), you need to fundamentally alter the de jure relationship that police have with the community. You need to disarm the police, mandate what percent of the budget can go into new equipment, you need to set up expedient community recall procedures, you need to abolish their unions, you need to repeal qualified immunity, you need to enforce the community residence requirement which is routinely violated, you need body camera laws in every state, you need drug decriminalizations, you need to get rid of ticket quotas and all the other harassment beats, you need to get rid of cash bail, etc. etc. etc. That is what's meant by STRUCTURAL change.

This is why I get so annoyed when mainstream politicians all pay lip service to ending "systemic racism" and then say absolutely nothing consequential. What is it about the SYSTEM - the abstract relationship between sovereign and citizen, all the moving parts and procedures that make up the institution of criminal justice - that is being changed which will make it less racist? These words we use are specific and their specific meanings matter greatly.
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« Reply #1314 on: June 01, 2020, 08:56:51 PM »
hoping for a Positive Touch like to make up for that time we got in a fight
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« Reply #1315 on: June 01, 2020, 09:12:03 PM »
https://twitter.com/ajitxsingh/status/1267533879797149696

clearly what this man needs is more money
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« Reply #1316 on: June 01, 2020, 09:17:10 PM »
Thats what structural change means.
No. To be only slightly tautological... structural change must change the structure of policing. You can't just do the Biden plan and take the racist bits out (because it's not possible), you need to do fundamentally alter the de jure relationship that police have with the community. You need to disarm the police, mandate what percent of the budget can go into new equipment, you need to set up expedient community recall procedures, you need to abolish their unions, you need to repeal qualified immunity, you need to enforce the community residence requirement which is routinely violated, you need body camera laws in every state, you need drug decriminalizations, you need to get rid of ticket quotas and all the other harassment beats, you need to get rid of cash bail, etc. etc. etc. That is what's meant by STRUCTURAL change.

This is why I get so annoyed when mainstream politicians all pay lip service to ending "systemic racism" and then say absolutely nothing consequential. What is it about the SYSTEM - the abstract relationship between sovereign and citizen, all the moving parts and procedures that make up the institution of criminal justice - that is being changed which will make it less racist? These words we use are specific and their specific meanings matter greatly.

If things like passing sensitivity training and non-lethal takedown procedures are as mandatory as fitness checks or firearms training, the kind of person that is in it mostly to exert power over others is going to quit or be flunked out. Realistically you can't disarm the police without disarming the populace. I live in a country where guns are difficult to obtain, and extremely heavily legislated against with severe penalties for ownership, but still have an armed police force. As long as you have the 2nd amendment interpreted as it currently is, you just don't get the luxury of having armed police only deployed surgically, unfortunately.

Qualified immunity should be - as the name implies - qualified, not a blanket shield against all actions.
Yes, body cameras should be mandatory in all districts, and having 'malfunctioning' equipment should be assumed to be negligence, with the corresponding loss of coverage of things like legal protections or insurance. If your body camera mysteriously breaks down right before a suspect gets executed, you should face the consequences of that as a private citizen.

Things like decriminalising drugs or community residency I don't see as being particularly big factors tbh.
Communities in bad areas don't want junkies or drug dealers on their streets, and would rather see police not from their area than having no police presence at all.
People living in bad neighbourhoods aren't upset there's too many police there. They're upset they only show up when things get really bad. Better community policing doesn't mean only having people who live there policing things; it means having people there enough that they can think of them as part of the community.
Likewise you can have better treatment of drug addicts by pushing for detox programs over imprisonment without making heroin legal or permitting drug dealers free reign.

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« Reply #1317 on: June 01, 2020, 09:18:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/ajitxsingh/status/1267533879797149696

clearly what this man needs is more money

I assume his argument is that by offering better pay, you would attract different demographics in the long term.

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« Reply #1318 on: June 01, 2020, 09:28:11 PM »
People living in bad neighbourhoods aren't upset there's too many police there. They're upset they only show up when things get really bad. Better community policing doesn't mean only having people who live there policing things; it means having people there enough that they can think of them as part of the community.
I'm the one who showed you this polling ::) They want both. They want more beat cops because petty crime is real but they want to only be policed by people they know and trust and who are invested in the community.

We can debate the rest of it to any level of detail but my point is that funneling more money isn't a solution
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« Reply #1319 on: June 01, 2020, 09:32:29 PM »
Thats what structural change means.
No. To be only slightly tautological... structural change must change the structure of policing. You can't just do the Biden plan and take the racist bits out (because it's not possible), you need to do fundamentally alter the de jure relationship that police have with the community. You need to disarm the police, mandate what percent of the budget can go into new equipment, you need to set up expedient community recall procedures, you need to abolish their unions, you need to repeal qualified immunity, you need to enforce the community residence requirement which is routinely violated, you need body camera laws in every state, you need drug decriminalizations, you need to get rid of ticket quotas and all the other harassment beats, you need to get rid of cash bail, etc. etc. etc. That is what's meant by STRUCTURAL change.

This is why I get so annoyed when mainstream politicians all pay lip service to ending "systemic racism" and then say absolutely nothing consequential. What is it about the SYSTEM - the abstract relationship between sovereign and citizen, all the moving parts and procedures that make up the institution of criminal justice - that is being changed which will make it less racist? These words we use are specific and their specific meanings matter greatly.

If things like passing sensitivity training and non-lethal takedown procedures are as mandatory as fitness checks or firearms training, the kind of person that is in it mostly to exert power over others is going to quit or be flunked out. Realistically you can't disarm the police without disarming the populace. I live in a country where guns are difficult to obtain, and extremely heavily legislated against with severe penalties for ownership, but still have an armed police force. As long as you have the 2nd amendment interpreted as it currently is, you just don't get the luxury of having armed police only deployed surgically, unfortunately.

Qualified immunity should be - as the name implies - qualified, not a blanket shield against all actions.
Yes, body cameras should be mandatory in all districts, and having 'malfunctioning' equipment should be assumed to be negligence, with the corresponding loss of coverage of things like legal protections or insurance. If your body camera mysteriously breaks down right before a suspect gets executed, you should face the consequences of that as a private citizen.

Things like decriminalising drugs or community residency I don't see as being particularly big factors tbh.
Communities in bad areas don't want junkies or drug dealers on their streets, and would rather see police not from their area than having no police presence at all.
People living in bad neighbourhoods aren't upset there's too many police there. They're upset they only show up when things get really bad. Better community policing doesn't mean only having people who live there policing things; it means having people there enough that they can think of them as part of the community.
Likewise you can have better treatment of drug addicts by pushing for detox programs over imprisonment without making heroin legal or permitting drug dealers free reign.

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"Just pay them more! It'll attract more than the power-hungry! Just drop the second amendment! It'll lower the guns to defend yourself with over the pigs that use them on you for thinking YOU HAVE A FUCKING GUN despite not conceal carrying or having a history of owning one! (Oh, or just being black and them being white and looking to murder someone!)"


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People living in bad neighbourhoods aren't upset there's too many police there. They're upset they only show up when things get really bad. Better community policing doesn't mean only having people who live there policing things; it means having people there enough that they can think of them as part of the community.

They're "upset," because they're being profiled just like the people that live their that are making the drugs. Ever heard of the "War on Drugs?" Yeah, that's been a dismal failure. You can throw more money at the problem (getting more DEA/agents) but that doesn't solve the issue (drug dealers just move and/or get more crafty)

It's the same with brutality: Paying folks more isn't suddenly going to get folks like the cop that murdered George to lay off. They'll just get PAID MORE until they find a chance to kill someone that looks at them wrong.

"So do sensitivity training!"

They do that. Often. It doesn't work if the people that want to kill don't listen and/or are paranoid that the next black person they meet will pull a gun/knife/whatever on them and shoot first instead of asking questions.