Game of Thrones Season 8, we can finally stop waiting on GURM

[agrajag]

yes her motivations have seemed to change in the span of one episode because Tormund snubbed her at an awards ceremony, while her entire life mission was laser focused on the singular goal of reclaiming the crown and ruling, not going on a nihilistic killing spree.

I edited because I misread your wording.

[MMaRsu]

Her entire life was ruling, that doesn't mean she has to rule from that particular city.

[Himu]

Agrajag, I was talking on the phone for work while chatting earlier.

Anyways, my point wasn't directed towards you specifically. My point was that many people are like,"WHAT IS HER MOTIVATION?!!?!?" and using that as a criticism of the episode when you don't even see her face during the sack. It's like, wait till the next episode?

[Himu]

Like as flawed as the writing is this season...

Lots of folks are fully on board the idea that because you don't know her motivation it equates to bad writing. It's like some people have forgotten how to watch a tv show.

Criticism is fine. But when you're all,"we don't know her motivation for this and therefore it's bad" it makes me wonder if some people have forgotten how to watch a tv show that airs week to week rather than something they binge.

[Himu]

Why are you guys paying attention to anything the showrunners even say?

[agrajag]

haha, fuck you reeotous

[Himu]

He’s ignored every post about her possible motivations.

Like her very clearly spelled out belief that the people will want Jon as King.

Whether she needed to burn down the entire city or not to make people too scared to go that route is besides the point, it’s a pretty obvious set up for a motivation.  She also may not have needed to crucify people or burn them alive but she did.  Including people she found out were innocent and didn’t give 2 shits about.

But I guess she’s been completely sane and purely good for 8 and a half seasons and this sudden heal turn is shocking because the show runners claimed she was good in some interview a while back.

Even fear probably won't fully cover it. Creating fear can't be the sole factor for going street by street and burning every person alive. She was ready to execute anyone who betrayed her father in the past, especially Jaime. Revenge has been on her mind a lot. That, and entitlement. Which is why I say wait for the next episode. There's multiple things leading to this.

[El Babua]

what a horrible monster that was ready to indiscriminently burn down innocent women and children at any moment! It's all there in the books, this ending is all according to Keikaku! The signs were there she was a mad titan all along!

 

Having skipped all the posts following this, I'll say that Dany still has a savior complex going on here, despite her kindness to those suffering. She's also shown a tendency to deliver tremendous suffering on those who she felt has wronged her, in many more cases in the books compared to the show. The final chapter of ADWD may be GRRM setting up her turn.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bnzlv7/spoilers_main_daenerys_x_adwd_in_light_of_8x05/

Consider this, you have a motivated Daenerys fresh off liberating Essos of slavery arriving in Westeros with her army, slave soldiers, and (book wise, anyway) Red Priests calling her Azhor Ahai, the savior. She finds success in the Fire and Blood mentality by destroying the slave trade in Essos and being held up as a savior coming home to see her birthright snatched by some kid calling himself Aegon VI. He's considered the savior of the realm deposing Cersei, and Lannister tyranny. He has allies all throughout the realm, from Dorne, the Stormlands, and probably the Reach as well. Totally store Khaleesi's thunder. She's seen as a foreigner with a foreign army that will only bring more suffering as Winter only gets worse and worse. (I'm pretty sure GRRM won't forget Winter am i right)

I can see Dany being like, "You want to see what a real Targaryen looks like?" to them.

[agrajag]

Meh. I don't want to keep going in circles, but nothing you have brought up suggests her suddenly mowing down tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Nothing in the show or the books establishes that she would do that. But it seems we will never come to a head on this, so it's a pointless debate. I could see the outcome ending up being similar in the book when GRRM gets around to it, but it will likely be mass casualties of war. I suspect stuff that doesn't make sense here will make sense in the book.

[shosta]

nope, not gonna rope me back in

[Himu]

A lot of stories don’t work on the show without fAegon.

For example Cersei lasting this long is what has made Jaime’s story end the way it did.

[agrajag]

Shosta, if people keep @ing me, I must be given a chance to respond. 

the only one I will not engage with is reeeotous, that disingenuous fuck

[Mandark]

Meh. I don't want to keep going in circles, but nothing you have brought up suggests her suddenly mowing down tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Nothing in the show or the books establishes that she would do that.

She yells something about burning cities to the ground like once a season. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[agrajag]

That's a figure of speech. 

[agrajag]

you never threaten to burn people's cities to the ground when they cross you? I do it all the time

[mormapope]

I found a very NSFW spoiler pic for the series finale.

This is a huge spoiler and NSFW.


   

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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Winter is nothing compared to this!

[bluemax]

It seems like all Daeny has said this season is how throne is her birthright and nothing about how she will be a good queen or change the world.  The show hasn't really been subtle about her change in attitude for awhile.

[Raist]

Daenerys is trash, been since the beginning (book or show). She's second only to Sansa.

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PuppetBeast
juego de haciendas:

Stark= Los Estrada de Hacienda Las Nieves del Norte
Lannister= Los Linares de Hacienda Castillo de Roca
Baratheon= Los Barraza de Hacienda Tierra Tormentosa
Arryn= Los Arriaga de Hacienda Las Aguilas del Valle
Tully= Los Tellez de Hacienda Los Rios
Tyrell= Los Toledo de Hacienda La Rosa del Altiplano
Martell= Los Martinez de Hacienda Las Lanzas
Greyjoy= Los Grijalva de Hacienda Las Islas de Hierro
Targaryen=Los Torres de Hacienda Los Dragones

King's Landing= Guadalajara, Jalisco

Dothraki=Tribus del norte de Mexico

the night watch= la guardia charra

the night king: Tlatoani oscuro o algun antepasado de Trump

white walkers= momias de Tenochtitlan

fe de los siete: iglesia catolica

culto al dios ahogado: adoracion a Tlaloc

Señor de la luz: Huitzilopochtli

el dios de muchos rostros: santa muerte

Niños del bosque: Aluxes

mother of dragons= madre de las serpientes

the prince that was promised: El charro que fue prometido

[agrajag]

[agrajag]

[Brehvolution]

As someone who didn't read the books, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.   

[BisMarckie]

As someone who didn't read the books, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.   

Thousands of parents who named their kid Khaleesi now having to look into options to change their legal name.

[Brehvolution]

Still better than Brayden, Kayden, Jaidan, or Aidan. 

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[MMaRsu]

  yes hilarious memes please post more im laughing so hard right now

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[Nintex]

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[Himu]

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the replies to this tweet are hilarious

https://twitter.com/ihatefritos/status/1128369518030364672

https://twitter.com/teflond0nna/status/1128352662557286403

he never said it was an actual deliberate allegory

https://twitter.com/CentreNothing/status/1128243544043532288

[agrajag]

Valyrians not colonizers? FOH 

[shosta]

Get new writers and redo the last season as two good ones. Just do it.

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

[Momo]

PJSalt

[Himu]

i think the problem is that they definitely did steps 1-7. But they missed out on steps 8 and 9 and went straight to 10. Dany didn't do something morally questionable prior to this so it falls flat for some. Again a casualty to the shorter episode length. I think if they showed the journey to King's Landing, with them stopping over at, I don't know, the Riverlands and Dany demanding piety while also claiming to be a liberator and ending up burning people who don't bend the knee - not soldiers, not lords, but civilians - it would be that "oh shit" moment that would have led to proper build up. Instead, they teleported around the map and the character development suffered.

Because right now a lot of people saying this is out of character are saying her past kills are justified. She needs that one morally questionable kill before the big bang. To me, that morally questionable kill is burning the Tarley's. But many of her defenders consider that justified between they wouldn't bend the knee during wartime.

[VomKriege]

Remind me of how they ruined Sugar Cane Throne with Napo trying to re-enslave the population. WTF, totally inconsistent !

[agrajag]

PJSalt

saw this video too, it's good but I didn't want to post it and maki riotous go

[Momo]

never be afraid to mine salt borne of salt borne of salt

[Don Rumata]

PJSalt

You'd have to pay me actual money for me to click on a video from a channel called "trope anatomy", tbqh.

[MMaRsu]

Never saw this but its awesome

[TEEEPO]

youtube was a mistake

[agrajag]

no one is saying she's not been nuts dumdum, people are saying that spontaneously burning down an entire city of innocent peasants is out of character.

[Nintex]

[shosta]

no one is saying she's not been nuts dumdum, people are saying that spontaneously burning down an entire city of innocent peasants is out of character.

[Himu]

GUYS

Two

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Days

Till the last episode of Game of Thrones! We will be free from GRRM!!!

[CatsCatsCats]

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*until the shitty spin offs

[Himu]

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*until the shitty spin offs

No, we will still be free from GRRM’s incomplete story.

[agrajag]

GUYS

Two

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Days

Till the last episode of Game of Thrones! We will be free from D&D!!!

ftfy

and I have no wish to be free from GRRM until he finishes his homework.

[Himu]

GUYS

Two

More

Days

Till the last episode of Game of Thrones! We will be free from D&D!!!

ftfy

and I have no wish to be free from GRRM until he finishes his homework.

I’ll admit that I’m more hyped for Winds than ever!

[Nola]

no one is saying she's not been nuts dumdum, people are saying that spontaneously burning down an entire city of innocent peasants is out of character.

I think the fact it has been a week and the entire fanbase is divided to the point of essays and YouTube videos about whether the character development presented to the audience adequately established the motive's for her decision says all that needs to be said about whether D & D actually developed the character effectively or stuck this landing with the story.

[MMaRsu]

More like a fraction of the fanbase can't get over the fact that these aren't the fucking books, and some corners have to be cut to make it within these seven seasons.

People literally talking about and debating if dragonfire can tear down stone walls..

Who fucking cares honestly. It's an enjoyable tv show, not the word of god.

[agrajag]

  Nola

[Don Rumata]

GUYS

Two

More

Days

Till the last episode of Game of Thrones! We will be free from GRRM!!!

Never been that hyped for GoT, to be honest, my peak was probably around season 3 or 4, but then i just followed it through inertia.
I'm curious to see how they resolve the Dany thing now, but not much beyond that.

[Himu]

The only way an entire season of “Game of Thrones” appears overnight is if you ignore it. And for about eight years and seven seasons that’s what I did. I thought I was being principled. The show started in 2011, deep in President Obama’s first term, and a feudal fantasy seemed like a complacent retreat. Whatever progress was supposed to look like, it seemed unlikely to be happening in this show’s fictional country of Westeros. But I also didn’t want to repeat the work I had already tried to do with other bleak, saga television, like “The Walking Dead.” Other people were going to have to watch the show for me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/16/arts/television/binge-watch-game-of-thrones.html

[nachobro]

GUYS

Two

More

Days

Till the last episode of Game of Thrones! We will be free from GRRM!!!

i'll never be free cause he's never gonna finish the goddamn books

[Nintex]

The more you look at the lore, the more the following theory makes sense.

For the finale D&D asked George "Who wins the Game of Thrones?"
And he said: "Isn't it obvious Littlefinger is the protagonist. He set everything in motion, made every move and started nearly every war. From the murder of John Arryn, the Betrayal of Ned, the feud between the Lannisters and the Starks, the alliance between the Lannisters and the Tyrels(that finished off Stannis) to telling the Faith Militant that Cersei had commited a sin.". Varys said: "A man with no morals, he'd stand to be king of the ashes"

"Oops we killed him last season because it looked cool"

[daemon]

i think the problem is that they definitely did steps 1-7. But they missed out on steps 8 and 9 and went straight to 10. Dany didn't do something morally questionable prior to this so it falls flat for some. Again a casualty to the shorter episode length. I think if they showed the journey to King's Landing, with them stopping over at, I don't know, the Riverlands and Dany demanding piety while also claiming to be a liberator and ending up burning people who don't bend the knee - not soldiers, not lords, but civilians - it would be that "oh shit" moment that would have led to proper build up. Instead, they teleported around the map and the character development suffered.

Because right now a lot of people saying this is out of character are saying her past kills are justified. She needs that one morally questionable kill before the big bang. To me, that morally questionable kill is burning the Tarley's. But many of her defenders consider that justified between they wouldn't bend the knee during wartime.

Dany: I want to burn things for my throne
Tyrion:You probably shouldn't
Dany: Advisor said I shouldn't do it so I won't do it

*Advisor loses 3 alliances and a significant portion of her fleet*

Tyrion: When you hear the bells pls stop
Dany:



PS: she's not mad, she realized she can only go the usurper way, which means gaining the throne by bloodshed.

[Himu]

i think the problem is that they definitely did steps 1-7. But they missed out on steps 8 and 9 and went straight to 10. Dany didn't do something morally questionable prior to this so it falls flat for some. Again a casualty to the shorter episode length. I think if they showed the journey to King's Landing, with them stopping over at, I don't know, the Riverlands and Dany demanding piety while also claiming to be a liberator and ending up burning people who don't bend the knee - not soldiers, not lords, but civilians - it would be that "oh shit" moment that would have led to proper build up. Instead, they teleported around the map and the character development suffered.

Because right now a lot of people saying this is out of character are saying her past kills are justified. She needs that one morally questionable kill before the big bang. To me, that morally questionable kill is burning the Tarley's. But many of her defenders consider that justified between they wouldn't bend the knee during wartime.

Dany: I want to burn things for my throne
Tyrion:You probably shouldn't
Dany: Advisor said I shouldn't do it so I won't do it

*Advisor loses 3 alliances and a significant portion of her fleet*

Tyrion: When you hear the bells pls stop
Dany:

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PS: she's not mad, she realized she can only go the usurper way, which means gaining the throne by bloodshed.

I’m not saying I agree with them. Just that their criticism makes sense.

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