Author Topic: Hip Hop (Read 728459 times)

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #2220 on:** October 05, 2014, 11:49:45 PM »

Quote from: Courage on October 05, 2014, 11:01:53 PM

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Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2014, 11:16:49 PM

we gonna pretend like Prodigy wasn't top 5 from 95-97? Hell you could take it to 2000 if you want.

Outkast>Gangstarr>Mobb Deep>Showbiz and A.G.

I swear you mirror many of my hiphop opinions. I gladly take it to 2000. Murda Muzik and HNIC were

Then Jay burned his soul with the summer jam screen and he hasn't been the same to this day...still puts out quality music but far from the level of his prime lyrically.

Good to see Show and AG mentioned too....Goodfellas is one of my favorite albums ever

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #2221 on:** October 06, 2014, 02:07:18 AM »

Saying Mobb had no influence is absolutely ridiculous. How dare you question P's trendsetting, look what he brought to the table.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2222 on:** October 06, 2014, 08:16:25 AM »

Well Prostate P is right about one thing: conscious rap was pretty trash in the early aughts, especially production wise.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2223 on:** October 06, 2014, 02:52:07 PM »

https://medium.com/@byroncrawford/beatings-by-dr-dre-3c8e62bec8f1

ouch

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2224 on:** October 06, 2014, 02:55:34 PM »

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on October 05, 2014, 04:23:22 AM

Bore-Hop consensus on Mobb Deep vs Outkast for the best rap duo of all times?

Old school mobb deep innovated the queens sound and influenced quite a few people.

But Outkast helped create a whole new style.

Plus Outkast's first album is a must have in anybodies collection....Mobb Deep really you only need Shook ones II.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2225 on:** October 06, 2014, 02:57:02 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2014, 11:16:49 PM

we gonna pretend like Prodigy wasn't top 5 from 95-97? Hell you could take it to 2000 if you want.

Outkast>Gangstarr>Mobb Deep>Showbiz and A.G.

Gangstarr>Outkast>>>mobb deep>The Lost Boyz>Black Sheep>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Showbiz and A.G.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2226 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:00:51 PM »

Quote from: Death Ghidorah on October 06, 2014, 02:59:37 PM

Most underrated duo though? Tha Dogg Pound

Their work on The Chronic and Doggystyle, that Dogg Food album

Kurupt is the best no question, but man is Daz slept on like a motherfucker.

Eric B and Rakim.

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #2227 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:07:01 PM »

8Ball & MJG

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2228 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:10:02 PM »

Quote from: Death Ghidorah on October 06, 2014, 03:04:37 PM

Eric B and Rakim are NOT underrated. Rakim is regularly considered one of the GOAT MCs by everyone who matters. Paid In Full is one of the most undisputed classics out there.

Some youngings will only talk about Jay & Nas, sure. But Eric B & Rakim will always matter.

Despite having the same status among rappers, DJ Polo & Kool G Rap probably count more as slept on. Too many haven't listened to Rags to Riches.

If you're over 30 and not a stan? Sure.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2229 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:10:22 PM »

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 06, 2014, 03:07:01 PM

8Ball & MJG

Definitely not underrated.

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #2230 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:10:54 PM »

MOP doesnt get enough props outside of Ante Up

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #2231 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:12:44 PM »

left field, but:

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #2232 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:13:49 PM »

Camp Lo might be a one hit/album wonder but Uptown Saturday Night is fantastic.

An album full of 70s/blaxploitation references over prime Ski production

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #2233 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:13:58 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 03:10:22 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 06, 2014, 03:07:01 PM
8Ball & MJG

Definitely not underrated.

breh, in what universe are Eric B and Rakim underrated yet 8Ball and MJG aren't?

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #2234 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:17:20 PM »

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 06, 2014, 03:12:44 PM

Dirty
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Aw man, I definitely forgot about these dudes

One of my favorite album intros if just for the pure evilness of that beat

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2235 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:30:36 PM »

Quote from: Esch on October 06, 2014, 03:28:21 PM

Am_I_Anonymous:

Most of the people here are under 30 so you should take our word for this regarding our generation of hip hop fans. Proportionally, a decent amount of people are fairly aware of Paid In Full and it's impact on hip hop. People use it as a symbolic album for the shift in lyricism and rapping between the golden age and the gangsta era. When people make big pastiches of classic album cover art, it's there. Conversely you would probably not see some of what people are bigging up right now, Super Tight by UGK, Comin' Out Hard by 8ball and MJG, Das EFX' Dead Serious, Kool G Rap and DJ Polo Wanted Dead or Alive etc.

infact i might say that Paid in Full and Straight Outta Compton might be the most recommended hip hop albums from the 80s.

What are you even saying? Das Efx was my time, so was Kool G Rap...etc.

I lived it... you listen to it.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2236 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:34:40 PM »

Quote from: Esch on October 06, 2014, 03:32:01 PM

I'm saying among people younger than 30, Paid In Full isn't some hidden gem or underrated like you said it was. People who listen to hip hop tend to be aware of it, the same way they are of say, Illmatic or 36 Chambers or The Chronic. They know exactly how good it is, and by extension Eric and Rakim.

Ah, perhaps here yes. But in personal experience most of them either hate on or don't know guys like Biz Markie (as seen here), Rakim (that God), Pete Rock, etc.

In fact I had a guy who works for me matter of factly tell me that Drake is as good of a rapper as Biggie. Which is kinda.....idiotic.

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #2237 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:37:02 PM »

Quote from: Esch on October 06, 2014, 03:28:21 PM

infact i might say that Paid in Full and Straight Outta Compton might be the most recommended hip hop albums from the 80s.

along w/ It Takes a Nation, Raising Hell, and Licensed to Ill

the Holy Petrarchy of 80's rap

Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #2238 on:** October 06, 2014, 03:57:40 PM »

I think Am_I_Anonymous is more worried about the type of guy that would answer this question with Run The Jewels.

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #2239 on:** October 06, 2014, 04:00:16 PM »

Quote from: Pickles the Firecat on October 06, 2014, 03:57:40 PM

I think Am_I_Anonymous is more worried about the type of guy that would answer this question with Run The Jewels.

I thought that album was alright but both have done better

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2240 on:** October 06, 2014, 05:11:12 PM »

Follow the Leader>Paid in Full by a mile. It's on another level production wise.

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #2241 on:** October 06, 2014, 05:43:06 PM »

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 06, 2014, 03:37:02 PM

along w/ It Takes a Nation, Raising Hell, and Licensed to Ill

the Holy Petrarchy of 80's rap

It's PENTARCHY Jake, PENTarchy

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mea culpa Jake, I offer my back in order to absolve my ignorance of Greek numerical conventions

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Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #2242 on:** October 06, 2014, 09:40:30 PM »

Arca's album just dripped out

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2243 on:** October 06, 2014, 09:44:30 PM »

Honestly I don't even consider Eric B & Rakim a duo since Eric B was more of a muscle man. Marly Marl and Large Professor produced most of that shit. Whereas Mobb Deep is a legit duo considering Havoc produced most of their shit.

Same applies to G Rap and DJ Polo...

larrydavid · « **Reply #2244 on:** October 06, 2014, 09:52:13 PM »

havoc production

they interviewed him for this videogame music doc happening right now but he hasn't really been saying anything, just blaze talking a lot about genesis music though

Courage · « **Reply #2245 on:** October 06, 2014, 10:27:13 PM »

This Arca album

The strings on Family Violence

The wind instruments on Lonely Thugg

The metallic synths on Tongue

Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #2246 on:** October 06, 2014, 10:38:33 PM »

Arca sacraficed his health and well being to bring this record back from whatever alternate dimension/separate plane/circle of hell he was trapped in.

toku · « **Reply #2247 on:** October 06, 2014, 11:16:31 PM »

I'm playing it while on xbox live party chat, lowish volume but one of the dudies in my party hears it and says "who is playing that weird fucking space shit in the background? Is that a movie?"

doctavius bonbon · « **Reply #2248 on:** October 07, 2014, 03:58:39 AM »

just downloaded it myself out of pure curiosity.

perhaps my ears are just too plebeian for this kind of sound.

toku · « **Reply #2249 on:** October 07, 2014, 04:04:08 AM »

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on October 07, 2014, 03:58:39 AM

just downloaded it myself out of pure curiosity.

perhaps my ears are just too plebeian for this kind of sound.

*musicchartwithambientdroneandnoise.jpg*

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2250 on:** October 07, 2014, 08:23:12 AM »

Quote from: Pickles the Firecat on October 06, 2014, 03:57:40 PM

I think Am_I_Anonymous is more worried about the type of guy that would answer this question with Run The Jewels.

You wouldn't even be close. But please tell me how to appreciate hip hop...I'm all ears.

sarslip · « **Reply #2251 on:** October 07, 2014, 09:03:12 AM »

some good lesser known duo's

Binary Star
Latyrx
Unspoken Heard
Siah and Yeshua
Kool Keith and Tim Dog (Ultra)
Leak Bros.
Artifacts

Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #2252 on:** October 07, 2014, 10:30:57 AM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 07, 2014, 08:23:12 AM

Quote from: Pickles the Firecat on October 06, 2014, 03:57:40 PM
I think Am_I_Anonymous is more worried about the type of guy that would answer this question with Run The Jewels.

You wouldn't even be close. But please tell me how to appreciate hip hop...I'm all ears.

It wasn't a comment RE: the quality of RTJ. Just that the type of person you were describing (younger, less appreciation for that specific era) might lean more toward RTJ because of recency.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #2253 on:** October 07, 2014, 10:31:58 AM »

LOL I'm in my late 30's bub. Not sure where you got that I was younger.

team filler · « **Reply #2254 on:** October 07, 2014, 12:07:06 PM »

http://phatfriend.com/2014/10/07/i-hooked-up-with-riff-raff-vol-4/

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #2255 on:** October 07, 2014, 01:32:57 PM »

Quote from: sarslip on October 07, 2014, 09:03:12 AM

some good lesser known duo's

Leak Bros.
Artifacts

Good album but I think that Leak Bros. outing fried Tame One's brain. Other than that project with Del, everything since has been...haphazard at best.

Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #2256 on:** October 07, 2014, 02:39:59 PM »

Xen is doper than I hoped it would be. Definitely the type of album that forces you to reevaluate everything you've heard recently. Still trying to form better thoughts around it but I'm in love.

Arcas composition and song structure and just general musical sensibilities remind me a lot of Amon Tobin. That's one of the biggest compliments I can give, I consider Amon a genius. And Xen is better than Foley Room and ISAM, the work it most closely resembles.

toku · « **Reply #2257 on:** October 07, 2014, 03:10:58 PM »

I still listen to that SC3 soundtrack and Foley Room a lot.

I dunno if I'd says Xen is better than Foley Room but it's definitely the more "challenging" listen of the two.

toku · « **Reply #2258 on:** October 07, 2014, 03:26:59 PM »

Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #2259 on:** October 07, 2014, 04:14:48 PM »

Quote from: toku on October 07, 2014, 03:10:58 PM

I still listen to that SC3 soundtrack and Foley Room a lot.

I dunno if I'd says Xen is better than Foley Room but it's definitely the more "challenging" listen of the two.

Being honest it's too early to say Xen better than Foley Room, but my snap reaction is that I enjoy it a bit more. Feels like its individual tracks have clearer intent and direction. While Amon was really toying with how music is made in and of itself, the first half of the album is kind of...mechanical? Like the project forced him into certain directions with songs. Xen feels more organic, more meaningful beyond the craft. I "get" the frame of mind behind the music more if that makes sense. Just a loose comparison either way.

Horsefish tho

Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #2260 on:** October 07, 2014, 06:28:42 PM »

Suicideyear is in LA for the first time and dude is playing four sets in four nights (Low End, a party at Lash, some art thing, and a concert). That's how you put work in

Courage · « **Reply #2261 on:** October 07, 2014, 06:40:46 PM »

I gave Xen a few more listens and it's honestly AOTY material. Puts instrumental hip hop on a whole new level.

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #2262 on:** October 07, 2014, 09:43:32 PM »

Quote from: Pickles the Firecat on October 07, 2014, 04:14:48 PM

Quote from: toku on October 07, 2014, 03:10:58 PM
I still listen to that SC3 soundtrack and Foley Room a lot.

I dunno if I'd says Xen is better than Foley Room but it's definitely the more "challenging" listen of the two.

Being honest it's too early to say Xen better than Foley Room, but my snap reaction is that I enjoy it a bit more. Feels like its individual tracks have clearer intent and direction. While Amon was really toying with how music is made in and of itself, the first half of the album is kind of...mechanical? Like the project forced him into certain directions with songs. Xen feels more organic, more meaningful beyond the craft. I "get" the frame of mind behind the music more if that makes sense. Just a loose comparison either way.

Horsefish tho

I'm a huge fan of Amon too. I'm ten minutes into Xen and can confidently say I like it better than Foley Room, which I love. Still not sure if it's topping the SC:CT album, but this is amazing.

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #2263 on:** October 08, 2014, 08:33:33 AM »

toku · « **Reply #2264 on:** October 08, 2014, 01:37:48 PM »

We all gotta start somewhere bruh

WanderingWind · « **Reply #2265 on:** October 08, 2014, 01:49:13 PM »

Goddamn. Game put out one hell of a record.

No, really.

Stop laughing.

WanderingWind · « **Reply #2266 on:** October 08, 2014, 01:55:48 PM »

Act like Ali Bombaya isn't still on your phone

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2267 on:** October 08, 2014, 02:02:24 PM »

See No Evil ft. Kendrick Lamar

Ali Bombaya

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #2268 on:** October 08, 2014, 02:10:09 PM »

I havent listened to Game since LAX and bits and pieces of the Red album

I imagine I'm not missing much

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #2269 on:** October 08, 2014, 02:23:28 PM »

Quote from: WanderingWind on October 08, 2014, 01:55:48 PM

Act like Ali Bombaya isn't still on your phone

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2014, 02:02:24 PM

Ali Bombaya

track was so hot y'all can't even remember how to spell it

Eric P · « **Reply #2270 on:** October 08, 2014, 04:03:36 PM »

new Gunplay.

http://www.livemixtapes.com/download/30150/gunplay.html

I guess we're not getting an actual album from him after all?

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #2271 on:** October 09, 2014, 03:32:03 AM »

I wouldn't be surprised. Dude's name is "Gunplay," what label is ever gonna put that shit out?

Looks like Meow the Jewels is happening, and Just Blaze, Alchemist and a grip of other producers will be contributing:
http://pitchfork.com/news/57008-zola-jesus-just-blaze-skywlkr-will-produce-run-the-jewels-meow-the-jewels-if-kickstarter-is-successful/