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« Reply #14400 on: October 10, 2011, 07:31:52 PM »
Off the top of my head:  Once you get past $50/million a year, most of those people are going to be getting money from returns on capital rather than from salary.  So how do you cap that?  If someone invests $1 million in a start-up and eventually that stock is worth $500 million, do you stop them from selling it?  Do they only get to sell $50mil a year?

Even just looking at salaries, do you limit what residents of the US can make, or what US companies can pay people?  Then you've got a ton of possible workarounds like living abroad or taking deferred payments, etc.  Of course the "it's complicated and you'll need a lot of extra rules to make sure it's not abused" is a criticism of almost any policy, and by itself it isn't a good argument against it.  But in this case, it's just not going to happen and higher taxes would probably address the core problems anyways.

It's not that people get rich so much as capital keeps accumulating at the top to the detriment of the rest of society.

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« Reply #14401 on: October 10, 2011, 08:09:43 PM »
The answer is stronger unions, so that CEOs are responsible to someone other than their shareholders.

Also you can't cap the income from a corporation, so if you tried to cap individual income then all rich people would just make themselves into an LLC. Would never work and I don't think it's just.

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« Reply #14402 on: October 10, 2011, 08:16:01 PM »
Swat teams are going to be bashing some heads tonight in boston.

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« Reply #14403 on: October 10, 2011, 08:27:03 PM »
My feeling is there are a number of less extreme tactics available that are effective and merely aren't being implemented right now.  The aim is to be as uninhibiting as humanly possible while regulating the market.  Putting a hard limit on personal income sounds like an ethical quagmire and a headache to enforce. 

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« Reply #14404 on: October 10, 2011, 08:30:43 PM »
Occupy Nashville only has like twenty people  :lol
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« Reply #14405 on: October 10, 2011, 09:07:44 PM »
What Grandpa said.  There are other countries, including the US in the past, which didn't have this problem.  So we don't necessarily need new, radical solutions.  We just need a political climate which will allow for liberal economic policy.


On a bit of a tangent, it's my understanding that the more egalitarian states (in Scandinavia, etc) achieve their results more through broad-based taxes and services than through progressive taxation.  That is taxes are generally high, and fund generous services available to everyone.  Massachusetts has a flat income tax, fwiw.

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« Reply #14406 on: October 10, 2011, 10:22:49 PM »
I'm sure the republican answer to that would be WTF SOCIALISM?!!?!! but is there really any reason to allow someone to earn more than 50 million a year?

yes, there is, because they EARNED it.

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« Reply #14407 on: October 10, 2011, 10:39:54 PM »
I'm sure the republican answer to that would be WTF SOCIALISM?!!?!! but is there really any reason to allow someone to earn more than 50 million a year?

yes, there is, because they EARNED it.

Will Paris Hilton have EARNED all the money she gets when her parents kick it? 
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« Reply #14408 on: October 10, 2011, 10:42:34 PM »
hell to the no, but an exception doesn't make a rule

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« Reply #14409 on: October 10, 2011, 10:47:00 PM »
I'm not for capping what people can make, but it sure as hell makes sense to me to tax rich people more, especially if they're gonna have most of the money. 
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« Reply #14410 on: October 10, 2011, 10:48:43 PM »
dynastic inheritance = exception?  ???
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« Reply #14411 on: October 10, 2011, 10:52:21 PM »
haha shut up

and eh, if you're going to tax people, you better make it the same percentage across the board

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« Reply #14412 on: October 10, 2011, 10:57:51 PM »
and eh, if you're going to tax people, you better make it the same percentage across the board

That would make sense, except for this:

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In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth. According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population. A PBS report by Solman on Aug. 16, 2011 now found that financial gains over the last decade in the United States have been mostly made at the "tippy-top" of the economic food chain as more people fall out of the middle class. The top 20 percent of Americans now holds 84 percent of U.S. wealth, the 2nd 20 % holds 11%, the third 20 % 4 %. The following figure shows the actual distribution of wealth in the US. The 4th 20% (0.2%) and the Bottom 20% (0.1%) are not visible.

The poorest 240,000,000 Americans own 15.3% of the nation's total wealth.
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« Reply #14413 on: October 10, 2011, 11:11:05 PM »
It's almost unfair that Drew is both stupid and terminally ill.
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« Reply #14414 on: October 10, 2011, 11:19:27 PM »
I remember a libertarian saying that a flat tax was inherently "fair" because of the fixed percentage, and I asked him about a flat-fee poll tax.  He said "that would be good too," even though that gave him two ostensibly objective measures of fairness that contradicted each other.   >:(

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« Reply #14415 on: October 10, 2011, 11:57:27 PM »
and eh, if you're going to tax people, you better make it the same percentage across the board

That would make sense, except for this:

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In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth. According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population. A PBS report by Solman on Aug. 16, 2011 now found that financial gains over the last decade in the United States have been mostly made at the "tippy-top" of the economic food chain as more people fall out of the middle class. The top 20 percent of Americans now holds 84 percent of U.S. wealth, the 2nd 20 % holds 11%, the third 20 % 4 %. The following figure shows the actual distribution of wealth in the US. The 4th 20% (0.2%) and the Bottom 20% (0.1%) are not visible.

The poorest 240,000,000 Americans own 15.3% of the nation's total wealth.

What's the source for this? I like pie charts

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« Reply #14416 on: October 11, 2011, 12:10:32 AM »
and eh, if you're going to tax people, you better make it the same percentage across the board

That would make sense, except for this:

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In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth. According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population. A PBS report by Solman on Aug. 16, 2011 now found that financial gains over the last decade in the United States have been mostly made at the "tippy-top" of the economic food chain as more people fall out of the middle class. The top 20 percent of Americans now holds 84 percent of U.S. wealth, the 2nd 20 % holds 11%, the third 20 % 4 %. The following figure shows the actual distribution of wealth in the US. The 4th 20% (0.2%) and the Bottom 20% (0.1%) are not visible.

The poorest 240,000,000 Americans own 15.3% of the nation's total wealth.

What's the source for this? I like pie charts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_distribution
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« Reply #14417 on: October 11, 2011, 01:42:04 AM »
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/

So, the daily caller (!) is angry that Obama's a corporatist? Does this mean he isn't a soshulist anymore?

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« Reply #14418 on: October 11, 2011, 01:48:51 AM »
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/

So, the daily caller (!) is angry that Obama's a corporatist? Does this mean he isn't a soshulist anymore?

No, he's both a corporatist AND a soshilust.  Just like he simultaneously is a sekrit muslin AND has a radical pastor!
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« Reply #14419 on: October 11, 2011, 10:43:55 AM »
now that "corporatist" is the new epithet to rile up the populists, expect to hear more of that from the right-wing wackadoodle set.

SEE DEM FAT CATS? NOBAMMER WANTS TO GIB EM ALL YER TAX MONIES SO NO MOAR TAXES, ALSO GAY FETUS MARRIAGE!!!!
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« Reply #14421 on: October 11, 2011, 01:08:38 PM »
now that "corporatist" is the new epithet to rile up the populists, expect to hear more of that from the right-wing wackadoodle set.

SEE DEM FAT CATS? NOBAMMER WANTS TO GIB EM ALL YER TAX MONIES SO NO MOAR TAXES, ALSO GAY FETUS MARRIAGE!!!!

Sarah Palin started using "crony capitalism" a few weeks back, too.  Once they start calling the Libya campaign "imperialist" us liberals aren't gonna have any epithets left.

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« Reply #14422 on: October 11, 2011, 03:44:04 PM »
now that "corporatist" is the new epithet to rile up the populists, expect to hear more of that from the right-wing wackadoodle set.

SEE DEM FAT CATS? NOBAMMER WANTS TO GIB EM ALL YER TAX MONIES SO NO MOAR TAXES, ALSO GAY FETUS MARRIAGE!!!!

Sarah Palin started using "crony capitalism" a few weeks back, too.

Solyandra (sp?)

Also, lol.
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« Reply #14423 on: October 12, 2011, 12:39:38 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#44868447

I wish Buddy got the time of day from his own party- I kinda respect the dude and what hes trying to represent.
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« Reply #14424 on: October 12, 2011, 01:32:01 AM »
Yeah thats whats irritating.
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« Reply #14425 on: October 12, 2011, 09:35:38 AM »
Uh oh, are we about to bomba Iran?
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« Reply #14426 on: October 12, 2011, 09:39:15 AM »
so close to an election? I doubt it
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« Reply #14427 on: October 12, 2011, 12:13:38 PM »
:piss links to videos :piss2
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« Reply #14428 on: October 12, 2011, 12:20:11 PM »
SO SORRY
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« Reply #14429 on: October 12, 2011, 06:30:54 PM »
I just found out about this Occupy thing.  Someone told me I should feel bad for not knowing until now.

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« Reply #14430 on: October 13, 2011, 08:00:27 AM »
Occupy wallstreet is spreading to Europe.

3000 people are expected in Amsterdam :)

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« Reply #14432 on: October 13, 2011, 01:54:52 PM »
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« Reply #14433 on: October 13, 2011, 02:03:25 PM »
Wait, that's actually an ANTI-Elizabeth Warren ad? Huh.

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« Reply #14434 on: October 13, 2011, 04:00:42 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/herman-cain-999-sim-city_n_1008952.html

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WASHINGTON -- In Herman Cain's America, the tax code would be very, very simple: The corporate income tax rate would be 9 percent, the personal income tax rate would be 9 percent and the national sales tax rate would be 9 percent.

But there's already a 999 plan out there, in a land called SimCity.

Long before Cain was running for president and getting attention for his 999 plan, the residents of SimCity 4 -- which was released in 2003 -- were living under a system where the default tax rate was 9 percent for commercial taxes, 9 percent for industrial taxes and 9 percent for residential taxes. (That is, of course, if you didn't use the cheat codes to get unlimited money and avoid taxes altogether.)

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Kip Katsarelis, a senior producer for Maxis, the company that created the SimCity series, was excited that politicians may be looking to video games for ideas.

"We encourage politicians to continue to look to innovative games like SimCity for inspiration for social and economic change," said Katsarelis. "While we at Maxis and Electronic Arts do not endorse any political candidates or their platforms, it's interesting to see GOP candidate Herman Cain propose a simplified tax system like one we designed for the video game SimCity 4."

Adopting such a simple tax structure, Katsarelis said, would allow fantasy political leaders to focus their energy on infrastructure and national security. "Our game design team thought that an easy to understand taxation system would allow players to focus on building their cities and have fun thwarting giant lizard attacks, rather than be buried by overly complex financial systems."

When asked about similarities between Cain's plan and SimCity's default tax rates, Cain campaign spokesman JD Gordon replied, "Well, we all like 9-9-9."

Rich Lowrie, the Ohio Wells Fargo employee who is the brains behind Cain's plan, did not return a request for comment regarding whether he is a fan of SimCity and looked to the game for inspiration.

A receptionist at Lowrie's Wells Fargo office said she doubted his idea came from SimCity. "Probably not," she told The Huffington Post. "I don't think he's much of a game person."

Presumably, under the Cain plan, disasters would be turned off.
 
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« Reply #14435 on: October 13, 2011, 10:01:35 PM »
999 plan is so busted- he doesnt even know how it would affect a computer product, with parts manufactured all over the place. Maybe he'll find an advisor for his staff that's good at being president
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« Reply #14436 on: October 13, 2011, 11:01:01 PM »
That's ok, this morning apparently Bachmann proposed going back to the tax rates from 1981... without realizing that would mean pretty substantial tax hikes for every bracket.  And people wonder why I think Republicans are stupid...
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« Reply #14437 on: October 13, 2011, 11:46:42 PM »
Bachmann keeps surprising me with her gaffes.  Not so much that I think she should be smarter, but because the New Yorker piece on her described a campaign that was working pretty hard on controlling her image and making her seem respectable.  This is a major enough proposal/talking point that someone sane-ish on the campaign should have checked it first, right?

Ah, who am I kidding.  She's nuts and probably everyone on her campaign is too.

999 plan is so busted- he doesnt even know how it would affect a computer product, with parts manufactured all over the place. Maybe he'll find an advisor for his staff that's good at being president

I think that was the plan with Dick Cheney back in the day.

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« Reply #14438 on: October 13, 2011, 11:48:06 PM »
lol
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« Reply #14439 on: October 13, 2011, 11:51:37 PM »
I am going to institute the Reagan Plan of Reagan Taxation for Reagan America. Reagan.

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« Reply #14440 on: October 13, 2011, 11:57:22 PM »
Well, Great Rumbler's already ahead of John Huntsman and Ron Paul in the latest Pew poll.

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« Reply #14441 on: October 13, 2011, 11:59:45 PM »
Bachmann is pretty much back in her normal mode from the looks of it- back in the mode of asking to put members of congress who dont agree with her on trial
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« Reply #14442 on: October 14, 2011, 12:19:15 AM »
Bachmann keeps surprising me with her gaffes.  Not so much that I think she should be smarter, but because the New Yorker piece on her described a campaign that was working pretty hard on controlling her image and making her seem respectable.  This is a major enough proposal/talking point that someone sane-ish on the campaign should have checked it first, right?

Ah, who am I kidding.  She's nuts and probably everyone on her campaign is too.

999 plan is so busted- he doesnt even know how it would affect a computer product, with parts manufactured all over the place. Maybe he'll find an advisor for his staff that's good at being president

I think that was the plan with Dick Cheney back in the day.
lol she's been running one of the most undisciplined, stupid campaigns in recent history. No wonder her advisers bail on a monthly basis

Did anyone watch the Bloomberg debate? Seems pretty clear that Rick Perry can't think on his feet. Dude just seems dumb as hell. Like, almost Palin levels of not knowing wtf he's talking about.
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« Reply #14443 on: October 14, 2011, 01:09:27 AM »
Yeah, I think it's becoming fairly obvious that Perry is dumb as hell, which of course means he'll probably get the nomination.
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« Reply #14444 on: October 14, 2011, 01:57:21 AM »
Bachmann's campaign started going south when Ed Rollins left. 

Also, I find it shocking that a party which seems to pride itself on hating education and smart people would field a bunch of dumb as fuck candidates.  Shocking, I tell you.
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« Reply #14445 on: October 14, 2011, 02:15:28 AM »
The Netherlands has 4.3% unemployment and legalized weed. What are they going to protest?

they actually made mushrooms illegal, so there's that.

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« Reply #14446 on: October 14, 2011, 03:35:10 AM »
That's ok, this morning apparently Bachmann proposed going back to the tax rates from 1981... without realizing that would mean pretty substantial tax hikes for every bracket.  And people wonder why I think Republicans are stupid...

Huh, surprised the librul blogs barely mentioned that bit of news today.

But yeah, no one should be surprised at how inept Bachmann is at pretty much everything. Her chief of staff mentioned that she has a nasty habit of reading like 60-70% of a news item, but neglecting the 30% that normally contains the crucial nugget of info that would nullify whatever point she would otherwise be making. Basically, Bachmann is the legislating equivalent of your idiot right winger roommate who gets his 'research' from chain e-mails.



Also, too. I've been saying for the longest time that Obama and the Dems should have had a marketing campaign based on reviving the Reagan tax rates. If for nothing else, than just the lols from seeing every Reagan-phile be put in such an uncomfortable position.


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« Reply #14448 on: October 14, 2011, 08:38:23 AM »
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Conservatism in the United States includes a variety of political ideologies including fiscal conservatism, supply-side economics, social conservatism, libertarian conservatism, bioconservatism and religious conservatism, as well as support for a strong military. Modern American conservatism was largely born out of alliance between classical liberals and social conservatives in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

In the US, social conservatives emphasize traditional views of social units such as the family, church, or locale. Social conservatism may entail defining marriage as relationships between one man and one woman (thereby prohibiting same-sex marriage and polygamy) and laws placing restrictions on the practice of abortion. While many religious conservatives believe that government should have a role in defending moral values, libertarian conservatives such as Barry Goldwater advocated a hands-off government where social values were concerned.

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Neoliberalism seeks to transfer control of the economy from public to the private sector, under the belief that it will produce a more efficient government and improve the economic health of the nation.
The Administration of Ronald Reagan, from 1981 to 1989, made a range of decisions that served to liberalize (in contemporary US terminology, this is more likely to be described as conservative economics rather than liberal; in the sense of this article, liberalize refers to an economic system involving few regulations) the American economy. These policies are often described as Reaganomics, and are often associated with supply-side economics (The notion that, in order to lower prices and cultivate economic prosperity, policies should appeal to producers rather than consumers.).

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Neoliberal movements ultimately changed the world's economies in many ways, but some analysts argue that the extent to which the world has liberalized may often be overstated. Some of the past thirty years' changes are clear and unambiguous, like:

    Growth in international trade and cross-border capital flows
    Elimination of trade barriers
    Cutbacks in public sector employment
    The privatization of previously public-owned enterprises
    The transfer of the share of countries' economic wealth to the top economic percentiles of the population
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Other changes are not so apparent, and are debated in the literature:

    Reduction in the size of governments. Governments do not appear to have shrunk wholesale. With the exception of exceptionally high-spending governments, government expenditures (as a percentage of GDP) appears to have stayed the same since 1980. Most of the cuts to government spending appear to have been a temporary phenomenon that took place during the 1990s

Surprise, conservatives like to have it both ways.

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« Reply #14449 on: October 14, 2011, 03:32:03 PM »
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To show how this would work, let me offer up a simplified example that is based on Kleinbard’s analysis. Take a firm with gross revenues of a hundred million dollars that pays fifty million dollars in wages and salaries and forty million dollars in other costs (raw materials, advertising, and so on). Under the current system, the firm’s taxable profits are ten million dollars, and its tax bill is $3.5 million.

Under Cain’s proposal, since the firm could no longer deduct the fifty million in wages and salaries, its taxable profit would jump to sixty million. At a tax rate of nine per cent, its tax bill would be $5.4 million. If you compare this figure to $3.5 million, you will see that the firm’s effective tax rate would jump by more than half under the Cain plan. When applied to firms throughout the economy, such a tax hike would generate a very big jump in revenues from the business tax despite the fact that it was being levied at a lower rate.

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How much of it would they be able to pass on? According to most economic studies that have looked into this type of question, the answer is almost all of it. The “incidence” of such taxes falls almost entirely on workers. (The technical reason for this is that the supply of labor is less sensitive to the level of wages than the demand for labor.) Ultimately, rather than paying nine per cent of their income in income taxes, workers would face a rate of close to eighteen per cent. Half of these taxes the I.R.S. would collect directly. The other half employers would deduct from workers’ paychecks and pass on to the government.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2011/10/9-9-9-herman-cain-middle-class.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Olivia Wilde Homo

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14450 on: October 14, 2011, 10:17:46 PM »
To me, Cain is the Fred Thompson of 2012, without the hot wife.  He'll fizzle out once his people realize that he has no shot against Obama.  As for now, I think he is just the no confidence candidate: for people who think Perry is too stupid, Romney worshipping the wrong Jesus, and Bachmann too outwardly insane to take seriously.  I think it is also a vote to attempt to spite people who consider the modern GOP to be racists.  Once the wagons circle around someone else (it won't be Cain), Cain will be done.

Anyway,

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/politics/health-care-program/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

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"We should repeal the CLASS Act and the rest of the health spending law and replace it with the type of common-sense reforms that lower costs and Americans support," McConnell said.

All he needed to put in there was "freedom" and "patriot" to round out the catchphrases of the right.  Someone should create Bingo card about the right wing for the 2012 election.
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14451 on: October 15, 2011, 12:30:21 AM »
CNN is reporting Huntsman is dropping out of the race. lol what a waste
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14452 on: October 15, 2011, 12:31:56 AM »
I won't bother to post the link, but David brooks' new piece is perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read from him.

This is a bold statement coming from someone whose intellect I respect.  I kind of want to go and read it but I'm scared the stupid will hurt my eyeballs.
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14453 on: October 15, 2011, 01:18:04 AM »
CNN is reporting Huntsman is dropping out of the race. lol what a waste

oh well, he was the only guy i was considering voting for other than YOU KNOW WHO

meanwhile, in Liberty Plaza...

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Phoenix Dark

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14454 on: October 15, 2011, 01:52:41 AM »
Dunno if he's joking or serious.

also, who do these assholes thinks has to clean up the giant messes they're making? What better way to create solidarity than trash the streets and restaurant bathrooms that the janitor/maintenance members of Teh 99% have to clean.
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14455 on: October 15, 2011, 10:22:59 AM »
also, who do these assholes thinks has to clean up the giant messes they're making? What better way to create solidarity than trash the streets and restaurant bathrooms that the janitor/maintenance members of Teh 99% have to clean.

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Dunno if he's joking or serious.

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« Reply #14456 on: October 15, 2011, 12:19:33 PM »
I'm pretty sure Brooks was a lot nicer in writing about the Tea Party when it happened, but there are probably a billion liberal blogs digging up quotes to prove that right now.

The guy is such a putz.  His columns are all some mix of lazy, sloppy, and passive-aggressive.  I ignore him as much as I can, but it kills me when I think that he and Friedman are major opinion-makers.

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14457 on: October 15, 2011, 12:35:00 PM »
Brooks somehow dismisses Occupy's "goals" because...they wouldn't balance the budget. What the fuck man, someone explain. He complains about people offering short term solutions then paints higher taxes on the rich as only lowering the deficit by minor percentage points, as if the world ends in 2013 and if we don't CUT CUT CUT now, we lose the Deficit Game.

The fact is that if we simply shit canned the Bush tax cuts and stopped jumping into wars the budget would largely balance itself. That is, assuming people start buying shit again, people start hiring, etc. I

But Occupy isn't concerned about the deficit, it's focused on ensuring people pay their fair share of taxes.
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14458 on: October 15, 2011, 01:15:57 PM »
well according to right wingers if we cut the deficit then people will get more confident and start buying/hiring again.  PD, you should run on that platform.

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #14459 on: October 15, 2011, 01:18:16 PM »
Not everyone reads each Brooks article the minute it's released, Cohen :teehee
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