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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: ManaByte on December 10, 2009, 03:05:29 PM

Title: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: ManaByte on December 10, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
http://www.movieline.com/2009/12/exclusive-spider-man-4-circling-john-malkovich-anne-hathaway.php?page=1

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If negotiations proceed according to plan, Malkovich will be playing Spider-Man’s nemesis the Vulture, who packs a punch despite his advanced age. The Vulture is able to fly through the air and brandish his sharp wings to attack Spider-Man.

As for Hathaway, that’s where things get tricky.

The 27-year-old actress is currently the top choice for Felicia Hardy, who’d been long-rumored as one of the new characters in this installment. (Other names bandied about for the role included Julia Stiles, Rachel McAdams, and Romola Garai.) However, unlike in the comic books, this Felicia Hardy doesn’t transform into the Black Cat. Instead, Raimi’s Felicia will become a brand-new superpowered figure called the Vulturess.

What does this mean for poor Dylan Baker, who’s patiently played Curt Connors in the last two installments? As much as it would seem that the series is setting up his eventual transformation into supervillain the Lizard, we hear that the suits simply can’t bring themselves to sign off on such an odd-looking enemy — instead, they’d rather hew closer to villains with a human face. Perhaps, then, it’s the best-case scenario for Baker: He gets to remain the subject of fanboy interest, but he doesn’t have to cede his role to a motion-captured reptile in a lab coat.

Vulture...new villain Vulturess...and the suits won't allow Lizard in the movies?
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 10, 2009, 03:11:01 PM
I heard about this the other day on GAF. Felicia Hardy as anything other than the Black Cat is just wrong.

And besides, The Lizard in a Raimi movie would be perfect.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2009, 03:26:03 PM
As long as Hathaway is flying around in a revealing suit...sold
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on December 10, 2009, 03:28:09 PM
I'd love, love, love to see Mysterio brought to the screen, but I'll gladly take anything that's not another science experiment gone awry.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 03:38:02 PM
Did people really buy that BS about SM3 only sucking because of studio involvement? Raimi is trolling spider-man fans really hard.

Considering Raimi did not want to do Venom (and was pretty adamant about it) and Avi Arad has gone on record saying that he really pushed for it (for the fans, of course!), I'd say the studio is primarily at fault. The guy churned out two commercially and critical successful films, and then got vetoed on the thing that matters the most - the script.

Both Raimi and Maguire have balked at returning to the franchise since, and their return only makes me more hesitant. This isn't a return to form or anything, this is pretty much Sony giving them so much money for the services that they couldn't possibly say no.

I have no doubt this will be a soulless, awful film.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 03:40:09 PM
I'd love, love, love to see Mysterio brought to the screen, but I'll gladly take anything that's not another science experiment gone awry.

See, that's what I don't get. The success of the first two films and other comic book properties should show studio executives that folks will pay to see an entertaining film, regardless of what the villain looks like.

There were rumors about Bruce playing Mysterio, Dylan Baker as the Lizard, etc. Those are infinitely better than VENOM (he's so extreme, y'know).

The only good news about this is that Raimi will get his wish of the Vulture, which was the original villain (alongside Sandman) planned for Spidey 3. He likes his old school thugs.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Disposable White Guy on December 10, 2009, 08:47:08 PM
When is Spider-Man going to team up with Ben Affleck to fight Black Kingpin?
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Bildi on December 11, 2009, 12:08:36 AM
I wonder if Spiderman will go like Batman where they run it into the ground with a string of shit and then someone comes along and makes a good movie years down the line.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 11, 2009, 12:10:05 AM
I hope it goes the tracjectory of Superman, personally.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 11, 2009, 02:01:06 AM
IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT $$$
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 11, 2009, 02:47:17 AM
A LIZARD WE CANT MARKET A LIZARD LIZARDS DONT PUT BUTTS IN SEATS JOHN MALKOVICH DOES WE NEED TO SEE THE FACE AND SELL TICKETS ITS ALL ABOUT THAT $$$
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 11, 2009, 06:46:59 AM
Raimi fucked up. He had a killer story line with the Goblin/Hobgoblin and could have based the entire second movie around an MJ breakup and then meeting Gwen Stacey (who gets killed). Part 3 is your Doc Ock movie where he reunites with MJ. Then you still have your symbiote storyline for part 4.

Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Solo on December 11, 2009, 08:19:31 AM
Im not anywheres near as cynical as Willco about this. I cant fathom any scenario in which this is even remotely as bad as 3 was.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Cravis on December 11, 2009, 08:29:16 AM
I like Malkovitch. He makes a good villain. It will be interesting to see how the Vulture is handled. I'm sure it will be some dumbass mechanical suit just like the butchered Green Goblin costume.

I second Bruce as Mysterio. Sadly he's not getting any younger.

Maybe I'll be able to sit through all of Spider-Man 4 but I doubt it. I fast forwarded through most of Spider-Man 3 just to see the action. Everything else sucked.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: chronovore on December 12, 2009, 08:17:44 AM
I like Malkovitch, but just as I like Jeremy Irons, his presence is a far cry from guaranteeing quality. Moneyhats all around!

I'm happy Raimi's successful now, but I liked him better when he had to make money stretch.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Purple Filth on December 12, 2009, 01:20:01 PM
Why don't they just go back to the one villain formula since it has worked pretty well and you wont have this "Felicia Hardy not being Black Cat" bullshit.

If the suits are being bitches about Lizard just concentrate on Vulture.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Tucah on December 12, 2009, 05:44:58 PM
Vulturess sounds stupid. I'd much rather have Black Cat. Or the Lizard.

Still, I have hopes that this is going to at least be better than SM3.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Diunx on December 14, 2009, 09:17:00 PM
The lizard sucks dick, Malkovich is awesome and the news that he is playing the vulture are great, my problem is with Felicia, why even have her in the movie if is not going to be even remotely the same character as in the books? can they just name her something else?
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 14, 2009, 09:19:25 PM
Vulture, Lizard, Black Cat, who cares? We need:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Rhinopreview.jpg)
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Solo on December 17, 2009, 12:36:44 PM
Ruh roh!

Spider-Man 4: Spider-Man 3 Part 2  :'(

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Looks like everyone's friendly neighborhood web slinger has been been placed on indefinite hold said an inside source exclusively to the IESB today.

Apparently, several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday. Spidey and friends have some issues that need to be dealt with before production can move forward once again. Oh, and the film is known as SPIDER-M4N within the production offices so take note! Who wants to be the first to start the trending topic on Twitter #SPIDER-M4N?

An inside source working on the project tells IESB that there are some major issues director Sam Raimi is dealing with that include an incomplete script. And why is the script incomplete? Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.

Raimi is pushing hard for the Vulture to be the big baddie, something he also pushed for in the third film to star alongside the Sandman but didn't get and we all know how that one turned out. Vulture was to do his evil deeds alongside the new Goblin and Sandman. A single concept art sketch can be seen in "The Art of Spider-Man 3" book. Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes.

On the flip side, who does the studio want to be the villain? Our source says they seem to only be interested in featuring which ever character is selling books right now but basically they have no idea, just not the Vulture.

So, production on SPIDER-M4N grinded to a halt this past Thursday and isn't budging until some compromises are made. Sony is in a bit of a dilemna though because they are insistent upon getting a film shooting as soon as possible. Our source also said these issues aren't being handled in the most friendliest of fashions. There is apparently some definite anger within the production with several people very "pissed off".

Perhaps they will use the time over the holidays to calm down in order to make some compromises to decide which way the film will be headed as the new year begins in January.

We will have to wait and see!
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7951:spider-man-4-production-on-indefinite-hold&catid=41:news&Itemid=71
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Purple Filth on December 17, 2009, 12:43:21 PM

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Looks like everyone's friendly neighborhood web slinger has been been placed on indefinite hold said an inside source exclusively to the IESB today.

Apparently, several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday. Spidey and friends have some issues that need to be dealt with before production can move forward once again. Oh, and the film is known as SPIDER-M4N within the production offices so take note! Who wants to be the first to start the trending topic on Twitter #SPIDER-M4N?

An inside source working on the project tells IESB that there are some major issues director Sam Raimi is dealing with that include an incomplete script. And why is the script incomplete? Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.

Raimi is pushing hard for the Vulture to be the big baddie, something he also pushed for in the third film to star alongside the Sandman but didn't get and we all know how that one turned out. Vulture was to do his evil deeds alongside the new Goblin and Sandman. A single concept art sketch can be seen in "The Art of Spider-Man 3" book. Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes.





good man Raimi, good man
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Robo on December 17, 2009, 12:46:40 PM
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SPIDER-M4N

smh
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Solo on December 17, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
2 FAST 2 SPIDERM4N
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 17, 2009, 12:50:44 PM
I don't get this. Just let Raimi do what he wants. Why go against the creative force that got you to Spider-Man 4 in the first place, because it didn't really work out the last time around.

Oh well, Raimi was an idiot for taking the money anyway.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Solo on December 17, 2009, 12:54:21 PM

Oh well, Raimi was an idiot for taking the money anyway.

Hes in a bad situation. Took the money to return despite every reason to walk away after how Sony fucked him on S-M3, and now here he is on S-M4, and the same shit is happening again.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Disposable White Guy on December 17, 2009, 01:15:02 PM
I don't get why people love Raimi so much. This is that man that let Kevin Costner ruin For the Love of the Game.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Solo on December 17, 2009, 01:23:41 PM
Sam Raimi also made Evil Dead 2, A Simple Plan, Spider-Man 2 and Drag Me To Hell.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 17, 2009, 01:25:05 PM
He also made Army of Darkness, Darkman, Spider-Man, etc.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2009, 01:39:31 PM
And Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Barry Egan on December 17, 2009, 01:46:40 PM
HE DID?!?!

:bow Raimi :bow2

I neatly came when Kevin Sorbo showed up on the OC.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Tauntaun on December 17, 2009, 01:48:28 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.bruceheinsiusimages.com/Headshot-Clint-Howard-smSFW.jpg)
(http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/w/L/8/curious01280613.jpg)
THIS IS RON HOWARD'S BROTHER
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:lol  Why post this?
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2009, 01:51:28 PM
HE DID?!?!

:bow Raimi :bow2

Yeah, he was the executive producer on the entire runs of Hercules and Xena.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: ManaByte on December 17, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7951:spider-man-4-production-on-indefinite-hold&catid=43:exclusive-features&Itemid=73

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IESB Exclusive: SPIDER-MAN 4 Production on Indefinite Hold

Looks like everyone's friendly neighborhood web slinger has been been placed on indefinite hold said an inside source exclusively to the IESB today.

Apparently, several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday. Spidey and friends have some issues that need to be dealt with before production can move forward once again. Oh, and the film is known as SPIDER-M4N within the production offices so take note! Who wants to be the first to start the trending topic on Twitter #SPIDER-M4N?

An inside source working on the project tells IESB that there are some major issues director Sam Raimi is dealing with that include an incomplete script. And why is the script incomplete? Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.

Raimi is pushing hard for the Vulture to be the big baddie, something he also pushed for in the third film to star alongside the Sandman but didn't get and we all know how that one turned out. Vulture was to do his evil deeds alongside the new Goblin and Sandman. A single concept art sketch can be seen in "The Art of Spider-Man 3" book. Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes.

On the flip side, who does the studio want to be the villain? Our source says they seem to only be interested in featuring which ever character is selling books right now but basically they have no idea, just not the Vulture.

So, production on SPIDER-M4N grinded to a halt this past Thursday and isn't budging until some compromises are made. Sony is in a bit of a dilemna though because they are insistent upon getting a film shooting as soon as possible. Our source also said these issues aren't being handled in the most friendliest of fashions. There is apparently some definite anger within the production with several people very "pissed off".

Perhaps they will use the time over the holidays to calm down in order to make some compromises to decide which way the film will be headed as the new year begins in January.

We will have to wait and see!
 
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Robo on December 17, 2009, 02:21:17 PM
Does being a townie leper prevent you from reading your own damn thread?
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Ganhyun on December 17, 2009, 02:22:50 PM
Already posted?

Edit:  Beaten twice.

But good for Raimi to hold out. Hopefully he can force Sony to see reason.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Solo on December 17, 2009, 02:31:44 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Solo on December 17, 2009, 02:57:09 PM
Gotcha!

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This morning, IESB reported a rumor that Spider-Man 4 "has been been placed on indefinite hold."

The site continued by saying that "several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday. Spidey and friends have some issues that need to be dealt with before production can move forward once again."

Our studio source tells us this is not true. They are simply on hiatus for the holidays and production will resume in the new year. This is a very common practice on films, and not really surprising.

The fourth installment is scheduled for a release in conventional and IMAX theaters on May 5, 2011.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8930
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 17, 2009, 02:59:24 PM
That is pretty true. I'm working on something that just got dry humped by a production company, but we don't have our second meeting until sometime next month. Los Angeles is so transient that the film and television industry kind of shut down between Thanksgiving and New Year's.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on December 17, 2009, 08:35:18 PM
Sam Rami should dump this like a hot turd and get to the Warcraft movie so that Bruce Fucking Campbell can get his Oscar for Best Actor Of The Forever already.  :-*
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Tauntaun on December 18, 2009, 01:47:55 PM
Sam Rami should dump this like a hot turd and get to the Warcraft movie so that Bruce Fucking Campbell can get his Oscar for Best Actor Of The Forever already.  :-*

If done right, I repeat, DONE RIGHT!  That movie could be awesome.  :punch
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: ManaByte on January 06, 2010, 03:05:05 PM
After Sony denied any problems, it's been re-confirmed:
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-spider-man-4-officially-has-no-start-date-as-of-today-because-of-script-problems-sony-unlikely-to-make-5112010-release-date/

Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 06, 2010, 03:21:54 PM
Yeah, I heard over break, from someone who knows, that it is a total clusterfuck right now.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 06, 2010, 03:27:24 PM
Plus side is that the rumors of Sony using the time to ready a shoot in 3D is true. And if there's any practical application for the technology, Spider-Man is certainly it. They need something to lure audiences back in the fold, because after the last installment, they won't be able to rely on brand strength alone.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: ManaByte on January 06, 2010, 03:29:14 PM
And you better believe they'll have a Mary Jane wet T-Shirt shot ready for the 3D trailer.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Powerslave on January 06, 2010, 03:37:15 PM
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SPIDER-M4N

smh

After that...

5PIDER-MAN
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 06, 2010, 03:44:22 PM
Yes, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.nordestfm.ro/images/Image/BILLY%20CORGAN.jpg)
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Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Diunx on January 06, 2010, 03:53:49 PM
Looks better than the other one.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Powerslave on January 06, 2010, 03:55:51 PM
lmao he does resemble Dunst a lot
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: ManaByte on January 07, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
Paramount moved Thor into Spidey's old release date of May 6 2011 and Disney moved Pirates 4 into Thor's old spot of May 20th. So if it isn't delayed Thor and Spider-Man will come out on the same day.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2010, 11:01:20 PM
Yes, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.nordestfm.ro/images/Image/BILLY%20CORGAN.jpg)
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I'd never realized how similar she looks to Billy Corgan. They have about the same-sized tits, too.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Boogie on January 10, 2010, 11:49:34 AM
Why is there a Pirates 4?

There should be a law that states that if a movie scores below a certain percentage on an aggregate list of critical reviews, a sequel cannot be released for seven years.

wat

That's so hilariously random.  :lol
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 10, 2010, 02:02:12 PM
Pirates 4 is also based on an awesome novel (http://www.amazon.com/Stranger-Tides-Tim-Powers/dp/1930235321/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263150210&sr=8-1) from an awesome author :wag

I hated Pirates 2 and 3 but the Tim Powers connexion is enough to get me curious about 4.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2010, 02:45:44 PM
Pirates 4 is also based on an awesome novel (http://www.amazon.com/Stranger-Tides-Tim-Powers/dp/1930235321/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263150210&sr=8-1) from an awesome author :wag

As of right now that's really the only thing that's got me interested in another Pirates movie.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Powerslave on January 10, 2010, 10:55:36 PM
nice postcount
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Purple Filth on January 10, 2010, 10:57:51 PM
Bloom and Knightly are finally gone!

Main reason i'm looking forward to 4

Sparrow and Barbossa FTW
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: brawndolicious on January 11, 2010, 01:46:34 AM
It's show business.

Not show art.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 11, 2010, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: Sony Pictures Twitter
Spider-Man: Summer 2012: Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.

Holy Crap!  They're rebooting the series, starting from scratch.  Word on the street is that Raimi is out too.
 :o
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2010, 05:44:11 PM
lol, really?

maybe he just gets a younger girlfriend so he doesn't have to deal with grown up issues in a failed attempt to reclaim his youth
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 05:47:02 PM
Quote from: Sony Pictures Twitter
Spider-Man: Summer 2012: Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.

Holy Crap!  They're rebooting the series, starting from scratch.  Word on the street is that Raimi is out too.
 :o
Could it be he's going back as a teacher\teaching assistant?
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Purple Filth on January 11, 2010, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: Sony Pictures Twitter
Spider-Man: Summer 2012: Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.

Holy Crap!  They're rebooting the series, starting from scratch.  Word on the street is that Raimi is out too.
 :o
Could it be he's going back as a teacher\teaching assistant?

i wonder if it will be based on the Spectacular Spiderman animated series they had for a while
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: bork on January 11, 2010, 07:08:30 PM
Is this really going to be a reboot in the sense that they are going to retell Spider-Man's origin story?  SMH.
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 07:15:08 PM
What kind of engines are on this suck train, anyhow?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://eightiesology.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/back_to_the_future_part_iii_large_18.jpg)
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OH SHI--
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train continues
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 11, 2010, 07:53:55 PM
I don't get this. Just let Raimi do what he wants. Why go against the creative force that got you to Spider-Man 4 in the first place, because it didn't really work out the last time around.

Oh well, Raimi was an idiot for taking the money anyway.

lol, I wish I'd seen this during the Avatar Wars
Title: Re: The Spider-Man suck train has derailed!
Post by: ManaByte on January 11, 2010, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Sony Pictures Twitter
Spider-Man: Summer 2012: Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.

Holy Crap!  They're rebooting the series, starting from scratch.  Word on the street is that Raimi is out too.
 :o

http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/urgent-spider-man-4-scrapped-as-is-raimi-and-cast-out-franchise-reboot-planned/

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EXCLUSIVE: 'SPIDER-MAN 4' SCRAPPED; SAM RAIMI & TOBEY MAGUIRE & CAST OUT; FRANCHISE REBOOT FOR 2012



BREAKING NEWS! 2ND UPDATE: Mike Fleming and Nikki Finke have just confirmed that Sony Pictures decided today to reboot the Spider-Man franchise after franchise director Sam Raimi pulled out of Spider-Man 4 because he felt he couldn't make its summer release date and keep the film's creative integrity. This means that Raimi and the cast including star Tobey Maguire are out. There will be no Spider-Man 4. Instead, Mike Fleming is told, the studio will focus on a Summer 2012 reboot from a script by Jamie Vanderbilt with a new director and a new cast. All this took place today at meeting on the lot today. An official Sony Pictures news release about it is expected out now (see below).

Immediately, the news brought celebration and consternation equally to webslinger fanboys who say the reboot plot puts Peter Parker back in high school. There's also much unconfirmed speculation that this new franchise will be in 3D. And the fans also recall that, in 1991, James Cameron wrote a treatment for Spider-Man and now they're wondering if he might helm the reboot. (Sony ended up acquiring his treatment in a legal settlement.)

Here's what went down: My sources tell me that Raimi told Sony Pictures: "I can't make your date. I can't go forward creatively." And, so, once he said "That's it", Sony Pictures co-chairman Pascal and Columbia Pictures' Matt Tolmach decided they didn't want to replace him and instead chose to reboot the franchise. Insiders also tell me that Tobey Maguire heard the news in a phone call with Amy today. I'm told Tobey wasn't upset. "He's made 3 great Spider-Man movies. He's done really well. But he's the kind of guy who, if Sam wanted to go forward, would have been there for Sam and the studio. Absolutely."

Mike Fleming has heard that, from Spidey, Raimi could move to World Of Warcraft, or to The Given Day, that terrific novel by Dennis Lehane, author of Shutter Island and Mystic River. Both are worthy projects, but World Of Warcraft is a huge franchise.

Fortunately for the studio, Sony was not yet "pay or play" on some of the talent negotiations which were still only at the tail end. Raimi was insisting that John Malkovich play the villain, and the studio was looking to cast Anne Hathaway. "I'm not so sure we're going in that direction," an insider told me on January 5th. Sony had been hot for her until bigwigs realized she'd cost too much and they probably don't need "such a big star" for the pic, I was told. (See my previous, Anne Hathaway Wanted For 'Spider-Man 4'.)

As for those repeated rumors that Spider-Man 4 might shoot in 3D, I've learned it would have added at least 6 months to the production schedule and "no one on the pic has any idea how to do that," a source confided. You've got to figure 3D now is uppermost on Sony minds given the post-Avatar climate, and Summer 2012 is more than enough time to make the reboot with new technology. Back in April, Sony Pictures' co-chairmen Amy Pascal and Michael Lynton told Forbes magazine: "People are paying a premium to see movies in 3-D and that's a very big deal. It's never been done before that someone says you have to pay more to see Spider-Man than a romantic comedy."

The events that led to today's shocking decision to scrap Spider-Man 4 can be traced to mid-December when I saw a December 11th email alerting the pic's special effects crew that the fourquel would not be starting as planned "but Sam Raimi has story issues [that] need to be resolved before we are ready to shoot". At that point, it wasn't well known that the Spider-Man franchise director helming the 4th installment had huge problems with the script that has run through screenwriters Jamie Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross. I was told Sam Raimi had been very vocal inside Sony that he "hated" it. I broke this story on January 5th, and reported that Raimi and Sony were anxiously waiting for still another version from screenwriter Alvin Sargent, who wrote Spidey 2 & 3 and is married to Spidey franchise producer Laura Ziskind. "It is unlikely that May 11, 2011, date will be made," a Sony insider told me that day. "It depends on how quickly the script can get in." However, agents told clients in the movie to already expect the film to be pushed back.

My sources said Sony still intends to release that summer, even if the new date is July 2011. But Spider-Man has always owned that coveted early May date. Even as far back as September 2008 when I reported my exclusive that Sony Locks Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire For 'Spider-Man 4'.

What a giant opportunity for other studios planning their 2011 schedules to grab this big opening. And they did. Paramount and Marvel Entertainment pushed up the release of Thor by two weeks to May 6, 2011. Thor was set to have opened May 20, 2011, a slot which Disney grabbed for Pirates of the Caribbean 4: On Stranger Tides.

Spider-Man 4 was supposed to start filming in February, which Tobey Maguire echoed repeatedly in publicity appearances for Brothers. Then it pushed to March. Then late March/early April. And by January 5th there was no date at all, according to my Sony insiders who emailed me: "Some decisions have been made over the holiday about Spider-Man 4. We will be extending the production hiatus on the film. The studio is firmly committed to this franchise but, for us, the script must come first. We intend to notify members of the crew immediately. As you know, Alvin Sargent is currently working on the screenplay. When we have more news, we will keep you posted."

Pascal and Tolmach, who have shepherded the Spider-Man franchise from Day One, have been wrestling with this script problem for months. "I'm going to do everything I can to make May," she has repeatedly told Hollywood types involved with the movie. "But I'm not going to start a movie where the script isn't right yet. Not unless I want my career to be over."

Here is the Sony press release:

    Culver City, CA (January 11, 2010) -- Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012. Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios announced today they are moving forward with a film based on a script by James Vanderbilt that focuses on a teenager grappling with both contemporary human problems and amazing super-human crises.

    The new chapter in the Spider-Man franchise produced by Columbia, Marvel Studios and Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, will have a new cast and filmmaking team. Spider-Man 4 was to have been released in 2011, but had not yet gone into production.

    “A decade ago we set out on this journey with Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire and together we made three Spider-Man films that set a new bar for the genre. When we began, no one ever imagined that we would make history at the box-office and now we have a rare opportunity to make history once again with this franchise. Peter Parker as an ordinary young adult grappling with extraordinary powers has always been the foundation that has made this character so timeless and compelling for generations of fans. We’re very excited about the creative possibilities that come from returning to Peter's roots and we look forward to working once again with Marvel Studios, Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin on this new beginning,” said Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment.

    “Working on the Spider-Man movies was the experience of a lifetime for me. While we were looking forward to doing a fourth one together, the studio and Marvel have a unique opportunity to take the franchise in a new direction, and I know they will do a terrific job,” said Sam Raimi.

    “We have had a once-in-a-lifetime collaboration and friendship with Sam and Tobey and they have given us their best for the better part of the last decade.This is a bittersweet moment for us because while it is hard to imagine Spider-Man in anyone else’s hands, I know that this was a day that was inevitable,” said Matt Tolmach, president of Columbia Pictures, who has served as the studio’s chief production executive since the beginning of the franchise. “Now everything begins anew, and that’s got us all tremendously excited about what comes next. Under the continuing supervision of Avi and Laura, we have a clear vision for the future of Spider-Man and can’t wait to share this exciting new direction with audiences in 2012.”

    "Spider-Man will always be an important franchise for Sony Pictures and a fresh start like this is a responsibility that we all take very seriously," said Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures. "We have always believed that story comes first and story guides the direction of these films and as we move onto the next chapter, we will stay true to that principle and will do so with the highest respect for the source material and the fans and moviegoers who deserve nothing but the best when it comes to bringing these stories and characters to life on the big screen."

    The studio will have more news about Spider-Man in 2012 in the coming weeks as it prepares for production of the film.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 08:02:43 PM
Spider-Man suck train has RE-RAILED

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Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Diunx on January 11, 2010, 08:29:09 PM
Just give the franchise to Cameron, I want the spider web sex scene in 3d :drool
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 11, 2010, 08:37:35 PM
Good for Raimi. Now when can watch World of Warcraft sabotage his career instead.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2010, 08:42:19 PM
Evil Dead 4: Drag Me to Hell 2
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 08:42:45 PM
Good for Raimi. Now we can watch World of Warcraft sabotage his career instead.

Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 11, 2010, 08:49:25 PM
Warcraft will turn out to be worse than Spidey 3. Has there ever been a truly great videogame adaptation, the incredibly cheesy and merely entertaining Mortal Kombat excluded?
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 11, 2010, 08:51:24 PM
Good stuff. Here's hoping WoW tanks so he doesn't get tied to making assloads of sequels.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2010, 08:53:18 PM
I'm tired of reboots and I'm tired of Spiderman. Give the franchise a rest please.

Especially after the shit that was #3.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 08:53:49 PM
Warcraft will turn out to be worse than Spidey 3. Has there ever been a truly great videogame adaptation, the incredibly cheesy and merely entertaining Mortal Kombat excluded?

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Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: brawndolicious on January 11, 2010, 08:59:56 PM
^Why does he have two swords, shouldn't one of them be a dagger?
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 11, 2010, 09:00:09 PM
I think Silent Hill is the best video game adaptation and is a a fairly good movie.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: brawndolicious on January 11, 2010, 09:02:51 PM
The Hitman movie was good, shallow entertainment.

The Book of Eli basically looks like Fallout 3 too so that should count.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2010, 09:12:08 PM
I think Silent Hill is the best video game adaptation and is a a fairly good movie.

You won't find a lot of people who agree with this opinion but I actually do. A genuinely good and weird horror movie. 
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Purple Filth on January 11, 2010, 09:24:57 PM
stolen from gaf

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the story for part 4 included a baby and the script was "legendarily awful."

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp93/spikespiegel_ngaf/comic_gaf/mayday.jpg)

i guess a bullet was dodged then.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 11, 2010, 09:32:55 PM
There's no chance of that happening, Green Man.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 11, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
I'm saying that you cannot act and that the rights are not reverting back to Marvel anytime soon.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 09:47:23 PM
And write it as well.

I hope they get Zac Efron to play Peter Parker.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 11, 2010, 09:58:38 PM
I hope you keep it to yourself, because I'd hate for someone to steal it from you.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 10:02:59 PM
stolen from gaf

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the story for part 4 included a baby and the script was "legendarily awful."

i guess a bullet was dodged then.

How bad does a script have to be for even Hollywood to think it sucks? ???
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 11, 2010, 10:03:48 PM
A reboot? really? Can't they just assume that everybody knows how he got to be Spider-man by now and just skip to the good bits? It's a good story but really, just do a splash intro with 'Dork bit by radioactive spider! Stood by while uncle was murdered! Fights crime!' and call it good.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: demi on January 11, 2010, 10:07:47 PM
[youtube=560,345]IwnoW6g-wtA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 10:09:19 PM
I'm going to send the idea over to Sony tomorrow after I talk to a lawyer.

I hope you're being sarcastic? No one at Sony will ever speak to you, ever. Also they already have their idea, that's why they put out the press release.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 10:13:10 PM
I hope you keep it to yourself, because I'd hate for someone to steal it from you.
Green Shinobi :lol
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 10:16:38 PM
You should make a Millar hero:

"He's like Spider-Man, only he was bitten by a praying mantis. His name is The Mantis. THINK ABOUT IT."
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 11, 2010, 10:18:12 PM
C'mon Green Man, let's hear it. Clones? Spider-GIRL? High-school Spidey in an alternate new universe?

All major new approaches ust waiting to be exploited IMHO.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Oblivion on January 11, 2010, 10:21:43 PM
Maybe it'll be good this time.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 10:39:13 PM
Seriously, though, what's your idea.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2010, 10:39:23 PM
You should make a Millar hero:

"He's like Spider-Man, only he was bitten by a praying mantis. His name is The Mantis. THINK ABOUT IT."

what if the punisher, instead of killing killers, raped rapists?  think about it
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 10:39:33 PM
[youtube=560,345]IwnoW6g-wtA[/youtube]

Demi, FOR YOU: http://zoomzip.clunkbin.com/zoomzip_vs_thatbestbuycommercial.mp3
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 10:39:57 PM
You should make a Millar hero:

"He's like Spider-Man, only he was bitten by a praying mantis. His name is The Mantis. THINK ABOUT IT."

what if the punisher, instead of killing killers, raped rapists?  think about it

Actually this is a good idea for a porno called SEXTER.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 10:42:14 PM
My idea is that Spider-Man is actually a spider with the proportional strength of a human.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 11, 2010, 10:42:19 PM
C'mon Green Man, let's hear it. Clones? Spider-GIRL? High-school Spidey in an alternate new universe?

All major new approaches ust waiting to be exploited IMHO.

Okay so here's the idea:

An older Peter Parker is still working at the daily bugle (though in a high paying position) when he finds out that a teenaged co-worker, much like himself back in the day, needs a bone marrow transplant. So him and everyone else at the Bugle give blood to see if they're a match and sure enough, Peter is. Now Peter being a man of science and reason knows that he runs the risk of giving his spider-powers to this young lad but what's he going to do, say no and look like a total dickface? I don't think so.

So peter goes through with it and sure enough kid get's spider-man powers and puts it all together. He confronts Peter one day, who admits that he's spider-man and that he feels like he can't be anymore. Constantly putting a strain on is relationship with Mary Jane, Peter realizes that he just can't be the Husband he needs to be and the hero everyone depends on (its one or the other).

Peter offers his iconic costume to said teenager, who accepts seeing this opportunity as the reason he's still alive (fate and all that).  Peter begins to show him the ropes, and our new hero's story begins....

SPIDER-MAN: A NEW BEGINNING

In other words, the She-Hulk origin story. :rofl
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 11, 2010, 10:46:41 PM
Better to hear it from me than the suits at Sony though. That could have gotten ugly.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2010, 10:53:30 PM
In my Spider-Man script treatment, Spider-Man and Mr. Fantastic are running some experiments with CERN's Large Hardon Collider when they open a black hole that sucks up Spider-Man and spits him out in Gotham City and he has to fight Batman. Also Wolverine is in it.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 11, 2010, 10:57:50 PM
I'm tired of reboots and I'm tired of Spiderman. Give the franchise a rest please.

Especially after the shit that was #3.

I'm tired of studios stating that these will be trilogies.  Then a year or two later they basically say, "lol, we're just kidding, here's a fourth one."

See: X-Men Origins, Spider-Man 4, Pirates of Caribbean 4, etc.

I thought the Spiderman movies were overrated.  The third one was bad but the second one gets overrated a lot.  Just because a comic book movie doesn't make you cringe in how corny it is doesn't make it awesome.  I liked it but some are calling it the greatest comic book movie out there.  No, no it isn't.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 11:08:09 PM
My Spider-Man origin story would be as follows. The African spider God\thing Anansi comes to America, has an affair and impregnates a married white woman. The unknowing husband thinks the child is his until of course the child is born. He eventually is driven mad and decides to kill him and his wife while driving his car. Nobody wants to do anything with the child so Anansi takes pity on him and becomes Uncle Ben (of rice fame) and I give up. 
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 11:09:02 PM
My Spider-Man origin story would be as follows. The African spider God\thing Anansi comes to America, has an affair and impregnates a married white woman. The unknowing husband thinks the child is his until of course the child is born. He eventually is driven mad and decides to kill him and his wife while driving his car. Nobody wants to do anything with the child so Anansi takes pity on him and becomes Uncle Ben (of rice fame) and I give up. 

so the J. Michael Straczynski Spider-Man, then
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 11:12:02 PM
Really? No idea is original  :'(
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 11, 2010, 11:13:42 PM
You should make a Millar hero:

"He's like Spider-Man, only he was bitten by a praying mantis. His name is The Mantis. THINK ABOUT IT."

Only if he can be called Mantis Toboggan, M.D.

(http://20.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktjns7mGcd1qz7p46o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 11, 2010, 11:18:41 PM
My idea for Spiderman is that Mary Jane dies in some comic fashion.  Due to the tragedy, Peter Parker realizes he can never love a woman like her ever again.  So he becomes gay.

The title would be "The Adventures of Gay Spiderman."
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 11:21:38 PM
My Anansi idea could still work. A mulatto struggling with his African and American identity, his uncle's presumed death and his ascent into the presidency.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 11:24:39 PM
I really would like a reboot\origins story for the Phantom.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Diunx on January 11, 2010, 11:29:00 PM
In my Spider-Man script treatment, Spider-Man and Mr. Fantastic are running some experiments with CERN's Large Hardon Collider when they open a black hole that sucks up Spider-Man and spits him out in Gotham City and he has to fight Batman. Also Wolverine is in it.

wtf dude!!? that's my Deadpool vs Batman idea!!!, only that the mad thinker is the one that sends deadpool to the dc universe, since he failed a job he had to do for AIM and agreed to let them run experiments on him for a week instead of returning the half of the money he already got.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 11, 2010, 11:33:11 PM
Beyond reboots, is there a "format and reinstall" analog for entertainment franchises?
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2010, 11:53:03 PM
My idea for Spiderman is that Mary Jane dies in some comic fashion.  Due to the tragedy, Peter Parker realizes he can never love a woman like her ever again.  So he becomes gay.

The title would be "The Adventures of Gay Spiderman."

That would be Spider-Man: Reign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_Reign), where Mary Jane dies from cancer caused by Peter Parker's radioactive sperm. Once more, with feeling:

Mary Jane dies from cancer caused by Peter Parker's radioactive sperm.

It's stated outright he gave up on women after that; making him gay isn't much of a stretch.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 11:56:02 PM
So in essence when evilboreans try to be funny = comic book writers try to be dramatic.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 11, 2010, 11:57:13 PM
Most comic book writers are terrible, and I say that having no writing talents of my own and having known quite a few authors. I like my funny books, but have you read most of the stuff Marvel and DC publish? It's terrible.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 11:59:04 PM
Nah it would explain why I did not realise Spider-Man was retconned into a magik user. Except for Deadpool but then I gave up on him too.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 12, 2010, 12:00:47 AM
The "money shot" from Spider-Man: Reign

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Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 12, 2010, 12:03:13 AM
:rofl

Kosma = Spider-Man?
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 12, 2010, 12:05:35 AM
Jesus, how many times do you have to cum inside someone to give them radiation poisoning?
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2010, 12:07:55 AM
The "money shot" from Spider-Man: Reign

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 :S
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 12, 2010, 12:09:34 AM
EVERY FLUID.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 12, 2010, 12:10:28 AM
That's up there with JMS trying to sell us that Gwen Stacy was banging Norman Osborn and carried his mutant babies to term.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 12, 2010, 12:11:59 AM
Forget about this "back to high school" half-assed reboot. If we're turning back the clock, what we REALLY need is to take Spider-Man back to the 1950s, when we can see sexy 17-year-old flower child Aunt May boyfriend-swap Uncle Ben with Peter Parker's parents. All teens, all fucking, all the time!

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Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 12, 2010, 12:16:01 AM
See some of us can make it as comic book writers.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 12, 2010, 12:20:21 AM
Yeah, if this Hollywood thing falls through, I could always write shitty Spider-Man books.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: demi on January 12, 2010, 12:21:45 AM
lol, hes telling a dead body his cum is poison. I could almost fap to that.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2010, 12:29:17 AM
lol @radioactive Spideycum

'I'm filled with radioactive blood!'

just how big was that f'in spider anyway.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 12, 2010, 12:29:33 AM
Yeah, if this Hollywood thing falls through, I could always write shitty Spider-Man books.
I think my Spider-Man's dad is Anansi is *almost* better than the Straczynski guy.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: chronovore on January 12, 2010, 12:43:55 AM
Does Avi Arad do anything other than claim responsibility for the success of comic book movies in general? He's like Marvel's own creepy, fondly uncle.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2010, 12:51:55 AM
*shrug*

what any producer does is largely opaque to the consumer.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Oblivion on January 12, 2010, 01:02:30 AM
My Anansi idea could still work. A mulatto struggling with his African and American identity, his uncle's presumed death and his ascent into the presidency.

(http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/files/2009/01/obamacover.jpg)
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: ManaByte on January 12, 2010, 02:04:08 AM
I want Fox to reboot X-Men with Claremont writing it so he'll kill Wolverine before the opening credits.
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: ManaByte on January 12, 2010, 04:23:03 AM
Shia LeBouf is Spidey.

Nonononononononononononono 
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2010, 09:53:09 AM
My idea for Spiderman is that Mary Jane dies in some comic fashion.  Due to the tragedy, Peter Parker realizes he can never love a woman like her ever again.  So he becomes gay.

The title would be "The Adventures of Gay Spiderman."

stickiest bukkake party ever
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2010, 09:53:52 AM
I really would like a reboot\origins story for the Phantom.

the billy zane one is actually quite faithful

but it's also really goofy.  didn't really survive the transition, i think

i would like a fucking good Shadow or Doc Bronze movie
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 12, 2010, 09:57:31 AM
Sam Raimi was attached to The Shadow for awhile. Maybe he'll come back to it.
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Post by: Tauntaun on January 12, 2010, 10:10:09 AM
touching me....LOVING ME!   :spiderman
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Post by: ferrarimanf355 on January 12, 2010, 11:51:57 AM
I think Silent Hill is the best video game adaptation and is a a fairly good movie.
Dude, the Mortal Kombat movie was FUCKING AWESOME.  8)
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Post by: Ganhyun on January 12, 2010, 11:55:29 AM
I think Silent Hill is the best video game adaptation and is a a fairly good movie.
Dude, the Mortal Kombat movie was FUCKING AWESOME.  8)

Yes it is.

Too bad they tried to ruin my memory of it with a shitty second movie.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 12, 2010, 01:30:19 PM
I really would like a reboot\origins story for the Phantom.
i would like a fucking good Shadow or Doc Bronze movie

Sad we never got that Arnie Doc Savage flick, it could've been interesting.

I'm SUPER curious about Pixar's John Carter of Mars. Pixar? Live action? Michael Chabon screenplay?!
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Post by: Flannel Boy on January 12, 2010, 01:31:20 PM
I want Fox to reboot X-Men with Claremont writing it so he'll kill Wolverine before the opening credits.

It's always good to get a killing out of the way as soon as possible. No reason to delay. Get it over with.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2010, 01:39:31 PM
I really would like a reboot\origins story for the Phantom.
i would like a fucking good Shadow or Doc Bronze movie

I'm SUPER curious about Pixar's John Carter of Mars. Pixar? Live action? Michael Chabon screenplay?!

Do want.
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Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2010, 01:39:52 PM
I really would like a reboot\origins story for the Phantom.
i would like a fucking good Shadow or Doc Bronze movie

Sad we never got that Arnie Doc Savage flick, it could've been interesting.

I'm SUPER curious about Pixar's John Carter of Mars. Pixar? Live action? Michael Chabon screenplay?!

doc bronze?

fuck i shouldn't have tried posting before caffeine

Doc Savage, Man of Bronze.

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 12, 2010, 01:45:42 PM
right ... I'm hoping John Carter ends up with that sort of tone. it's still a period piece set during the Civil War and such
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Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2010, 01:50:10 PM
that would be great but i fear

it's not like licensed pulp fantasy has had a charmed life in hollywood
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2010, 02:01:01 PM
As long as Wolverine is in the movie I'm sold!
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 12, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
that would be great but i fear

it's not like licensed pulp fantasy has had a charmed life in hollywood

yeah, I mean, it's Pixar and Chabon working together and I'm still like only 30% looking forward to it, 70% dreading it
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Post by: ManaByte on January 13, 2010, 02:16:26 AM
Apparently Pixar's John Carter is extremely faithful to the original as they are REALLY sucking up to the estate seeing as how Walt had difficulty doing John Carter 70 years ago. If things worked out back then John Carter, not Snow White, would've been their first feature length animated movie.

With all the performance capture, the Pixar one is being called "Avatar, but with a story". 

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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2010, 02:20:21 AM
They should call it 'Avastory'
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 08:19:48 AM
They should call it 'Avastory'

well avastory is better than no story at all!
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
They should call it 'Avastory'

well avastory is better than no story at all!

:lol
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Post by: Diunx on January 13, 2010, 10:26:37 AM
Its a pixar movie so it wont be better than Avatar.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2010, 10:34:50 AM
Its a pixar movie so it wont be better than Avatar.

 :wag
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 13, 2010, 10:52:38 AM
Well, Green Shinobi is right, Avatar does have a story:

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/130283/original.jpg)

... too bad it was stolen from something else. :smug
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Post by: Cravis on January 13, 2010, 10:57:23 AM
the billy zane one is actually quite faithful

but it's also really goofy.  didn't really survive the transition, i think

i would like a fucking good Shadow or Doc Bronze movie
Make a live action version of Phantom 2040. That interpretation of the Phantom was awesome.

The sad thing is the best super hero movie is animated. Justice League: New Frontier > All other super hero movies.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 13, 2010, 11:07:42 AM
New Frontier kind of sucked. I don't get the love for all these mediocre DCU cartoons that simplify comic book storylines (albeit remain somewhat faithful to canon). It's like the love for the old X-Men cartoon. They are really not that great.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2010, 11:09:53 AM
It's like the love for the old X-Men cartoon.

X-Men: The Animated Series was awesome, Willco, you take that back!!  :maf
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 13, 2010, 11:11:10 AM
It's pretty bad. Some of the voice acting is awful and the animation is terrible. People are blinded by nostalgia. The only animated superhero show that has held up is Batman: The Animated Series - which was legitimately awesome. Even the first animated feature, Mask of the Phantasm, was pretty great.
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 11:26:05 AM
New Frontier kind of sucked. I don't get the love for all these mediocre DCU cartoons that simplify comic book storylines (albeit remain somewhat faithful to canon). It's like the love for the old X-Men cartoon. They are really not that great.

New Frontier is really horrible.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 13, 2010, 11:57:41 AM
most of those dcu direct-to-dvd features have been pretty shitty

as far as spider-man goes, if they're gonna do a reboot i'd like to see a return to the ditko roots, where parker was a fucked-up, bitter nerd at the beginning and wanted to use his new powers for revenge
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 13, 2010, 12:54:50 PM
I always felt Bendis' early Ultimate Spidey run lent itself well to film, as long as you don't read past issue 60 (or whatever issue number was the one where Carnage killed Gwen Stacy).
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 01:51:05 PM
not surprisingly the issue i stopped reading that series

i knew that i was in trouble as a regular reader when "by popular demand" venom made an appearance

fucking venom

fucking "fans"

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 13, 2010, 01:57:38 PM
speaking of things that need a reboot after seven years, boy howdy Ultimate continuity!

on the other hand, Ultimate Swarm :teehee

a sexy Nazi lady made of BEADS BEES

(http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/images/ultimateswarmweb.jpg)
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Post by: ManaByte on January 13, 2010, 02:03:59 PM
It's pretty bad. Some of the voice acting is awful and the animation is terrible. People are blinded by nostalgia. The only animated superhero show that has held up is Batman: The Animated Series - which was legitimately awesome. Even the first animated feature, Mask of the Phantasm, was pretty great.

Pryde of the X-Men was the best X-Men animated version, but no one remembers it.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 13, 2010, 02:12:43 PM
It's pretty bad. Some of the voice acting is awful and the animation is terrible. People are blinded by nostalgia. The only animated superhero show that has held up is Batman: The Animated Series - which was legitimately awesome. Even the first animated feature, Mask of the Phantasm, was pretty great.

Pryde of the X-Men was the best X-Men animated version, but no one remembers it.

I've got that on VHS. Aside from Wolverine's Australian accent, it's great.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 13, 2010, 04:14:29 PM
not surprisingly the issue i stopped reading that series

i knew that i was in trouble as a regular reader when "by popular demand" venom made an appearance

fucking venom

fucking "fans"



Yeah, I think that was the jumping off point for me as well.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 13, 2010, 04:35:24 PM
most of those dcu direct-to-dvd features have been pretty shitty

Most? I think we can safely say "all".
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Post by: ManaByte on January 13, 2010, 04:55:19 PM
The PG-13 Batman Beyond Return of the Joker is great. As is Mr. Freeze: Sub Zero.

Superman Doomsday was insulting.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 13, 2010, 05:04:16 PM
Okay, yeah, Return of the Joker was good, but all of those new ones they've released in the past 2-3 years?  :yuck Gotham Night might be the best as it was merely mediocre, Superman/Doomsday was a travesty, and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies was just hilariously bad. President Luthor frames Superman for murdering Metallo, am I actually seeing this shit? That's the best idea you could come up with for a Superman/Batman crossover?
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 05:09:46 PM
i kind of liked The Batman Vs Dracula

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Post by: Purple Filth on January 13, 2010, 05:48:08 PM
Return of the Joker was great.

The best scene IMO was McGinnis fucking with the Joker at the end  :lol
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2010, 01:38:18 AM
New Frontier left a bad taste in my mouth, and just looking at the Blu-Ray on my shelf annoys me now. Just a mediocre half-assed compromise. The Absolute edition consoles me however :heartbeat
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Post by: cool breeze on January 14, 2010, 01:51:32 AM
I liked New Frontier.  Well, more as something to accompany the comic, and it was refreshing to see them make animation without the same art style (the best was superman doomsday where it was the same stuff as Justice League except with lines on his face).  I thought the Wonder Woman movie was entertaining too in the sense that I didn't hate Wonder Woman (quite a feat).

Already mentioned, but Doomsday sucked.  The Green Lantern one sucked.  The Gotham knight anime stuff sucked.  The recent Superman Batman Public enemies sucked.  The second two Batman TAS movies, the Mr. Freeze and Batwoman ones, sucked.  Return of the Joker is pretty awesome.  Mask of the Phantasm is amazing, yeah. 

I might be forgetting some.

i kind of liked The Batman Vs Dracula



oh yeah, I didn't really like that one either.  I was never a fan of "The" Batman Batman series.

also, all those Hulk movies.  Wolverine vs The Hulk sucked.  Hulk vs Thor sucked.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2010, 01:59:27 AM
I feel almost the same about New Frontier as I do about Watchmen. On first viewing, I gave it points for effort and authenticity to the source. On second viewing, I just thought 'this is boring and lifeless and not worth my time'.

Yet I can read the comics over and over.
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Post by: Eric P on January 14, 2010, 08:13:02 AM
The Absolute edition consoles me however :heartbeat

first absolute edition i bought
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Post by: border on January 14, 2010, 05:48:24 PM
Does this move up the timetable on the World of Warcraft movie, then?
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 14, 2010, 06:03:37 PM
That's the assumption, yes.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
The World of Warcraft movie will be the most-downloaded-and-watched-via-Alt+Tab movie ever. Just a hunch.
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Post by: border on January 14, 2010, 11:48:09 PM
I don't really care that much for Warcraft lore, but it'll be nice to see the movie in theatres before 2015.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2010, 12:08:55 AM
I've never really payed attention to WoW lore, and have gotten kicked out of groups for "lol lore nerd" trolls  :lol

That being said, I did like playing through W2/W3's stories, and Arthas is pretty cool, although not new. I'm a sucker for fantasy flicks so I'll wind up seeing the movie unless it's total trash. But lol @ Raimi for going from being in contention to direct The Hobbit to directing World of Warcraft lolol
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Post by: border on January 15, 2010, 12:58:14 AM
I though Guillermo Del Toro was already locked in to direct The Hobbit?
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 12:58:46 AM
Yeah, he was the guy tapped to direct after Raimi passed on it. I think that's what Maurice is referring to.
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Post by: border on January 15, 2010, 01:00:27 AM
Ehhhh, anyone taking over The Hobbit would be forced to take a backseat to Peter Jackson anyway....it's like taking over The Tonight Show.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 01:07:12 AM
Yeah, I believe that was along the lines of Raimi's thinking as well. Although, I think he was more worried about the scrutiny that would come from following up The Lord of the Rings rather than dealing with Peter Jackson's interference.

Ultimately, he really wanted to do another Spidey flick to expunge the demons of Spider-Man 3.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2010, 01:16:36 AM
all those hundreds of millions of demons, tearing at his soul. awww
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 01:29:10 AM
I think, in all honesty, he obviously felt bad about the experience after Spider-Man 3 wrapped - both professionally and for the fans. It's why he was so reluctant to start rolling on Spider-Man 4, but I think it's become apparent that rebooting the series has been Sony's plan for quite some time.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2010, 01:29:58 AM
Eh, so far it sounds like it's a pretty collaborative effort between Jackson's camp and Del Toro; that wasn't a concern. Makes more sense that he was concerned about the scrutiny/hype. No matter how good The Hobbit turns out I doubt it will live up to the expectations of many fans.

I'm excited about Del Toro being involved, and was also hella excited when Raimi's name was attached. Would have definitely been an interesting marriage
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 01:34:02 AM
It has potential, but I'm pretty lukewarm on the whole effort. It seems like a production born out of a sole desire to make money, rather than a heartfelt commitment to the source material. Even with Del Toro, it could still turn out to be mediocre.

I'm not excited about World of WarCraft either. That's one step up from directing a Super Mario Bros. sequel. But Sam's got to eat. Besides, who else will cast his brother if he doesn't take a directing gig?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2010, 01:41:38 AM
Agreed on both counts. On one hand I have faith in Jackson/Walsh/Boyens, on the other hand I'm concerned about this being the bastard child of studio drama and greed (the book is 300 pages, come on). And then there's the question of whether they LOTR-ize the movie. The Hobbit is very different from LOTR, both in tone and scale. If they make something that feels like the beginning of FOTR for instance, that would work. But turning this into a blockbuster, huge adventure to destroy some sinister evil would be a mistake.

Warcraft meh. I dunno which story they're going to use; seems like Arthas is the best place to start.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2010, 03:17:13 AM
Yeah, the Hobbit should be light and frothy and relatively brief - all indications are that this will be overwrought and 'epic'. Skeptical in the extreme.
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Post by: border on January 15, 2010, 03:23:11 AM
I'm mostly wondering whether they will actually call the movie "World of Warcraft" or just "Warcraft".  Or maybe something with a subtitle like "Warcraft: The Fall of Arthas".

Is WoW definitely the next course on Raimi's plate, or will he maybe do an Evil Dead sequel/reboot/remake?
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 15, 2010, 03:25:22 AM
While a WoW movie could very likely turn out ridiculous and bad, I'm more excited about it than The Hobbit, which is just two (TWO!) more Lord of the Rings movies we sure as hell don't need
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Post by: Green Shinobi on January 15, 2010, 03:32:58 AM
Speak for yourself. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing Smaug on the big screen.
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Post by: chronovore on January 15, 2010, 04:06:22 AM
While a WoW movie could very likely turn out ridiculous and bad, I'm more excited about it than The Hobbit, which is just two (TWO!) more Lord of the Rings movies we sure as hell don't need
If you're not excited about Guillerlellermo Del Bull's THE HOBBIT, you have coal for a heart.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
COAL!  :'(
[close]
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 15, 2010, 04:19:28 AM
While a WoW movie could very likely turn out ridiculous and bad, I'm more excited about it than The Hobbit, which is just two (TWO!) more Lord of the Rings movies we sure as hell don't need
If you're not excited about Guillerlellermo Del Bull's THE HOBBIT, you have coal for a heart.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
COAL!  :'(
[close]

I prefer The Hobbit to the Lord of the Rings but I don't need to see a movie, especially an overwrought movie in the style of LotR. Also I want to see The Strain, In the Mountains of Madness, some Spanish horror movie, Jesus, ANYTHING from Del Toro. What a fucking waste of a talented man.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Is WoW definitely the next course on Raimi's plate, or will he maybe do an Evil Dead sequel/reboot/remake?

There is no Evil Dead project in the works, no matter how hard fans wish to make it so. I think a remake is still on the table, but Raimi would just serve as producer and have limited input. The real last hope for Bruce Campbell to reprise his role was Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, but you can pretty much blame Raimi for nixing that idea.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2010, 10:18:30 AM
While a WoW movie could very likely turn out ridiculous and bad, I'm more excited about it than The Hobbit, which is just two (TWO!) more Lord of the Rings movies we sure as hell don't need

That's pretty ridiculous. WoW is going to suck. At the least, The Hobbit will look amazing and bring some great scenes to life. Can't wait to see Smaug
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Post by: cool breeze on January 15, 2010, 10:20:42 AM
I want a Warcraft movie if only to get a video game tie-in, hopefully one that isn't a stupid mmo
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 15, 2010, 12:16:21 PM
It will be so exciting to see Smaug brought to life! I mean, he's a dragon, and, uh, er, he's a dragon...
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
Yes, but in the novel, it is an amazing moment with a dragon! Imagine a mediocre, overwrought epic that is three hours too long with one, incredible moment! Are you not excited?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 12:36:40 PM
The Hobbit pre-hate? Lolololol
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 12:40:51 PM
If by "hate" you mean "not being terribly excited about a venture born solely out of money that is turning a light children's story into a two-part LOTR epic", then yes, it's totally hate.

Fanboys. ::)
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Post by: Eric P on January 15, 2010, 12:43:47 PM
you are an antifan!

you are a yobnaf!

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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 12:47:06 PM
From what Del Toro has said, The Hobbit movies aren't going to be carbon copies of the LOTR trilogy with a different story/characters.

Quote
Q: Is it going to be more intimate?

I wish I could spoil it! All I can say is that we have an incredibly good team of people who know we are not making another Rings. We are not trying to make a quadrilogy, or a pentilogy. We’re tying to make two films that flow with those but that stand on their own completely.

We want to avoid stuff that is not part of the DNA, that is not part of the lexicon, but we also don’t want people to feel “We’ve seen this”.

Except where that familiarity is comforting, like Hobbiton or Rivendell – then you want to feel like you’re coming back home to a movie that you love and cherish.

Q: Presumably it will also be a bit more magical? Have a stronger fairytale vibe?

It is in many ways just what you enjoy in the book. You enjoy an almost chamber piece, like when the stone trolls talk about cooking the dwarves.

It’s such a small piece but at the same time it’s magical and it’s almost a comedy, that you have these enormous creatures talking about cooking these dwarves!

Q: It wouldn’t be a Guillermo del Toro movie unless it possessed a poetic quality, surely?

There is a lot of magic in the film. Peter has the eye of a strong historian, in the sense that the trilogy is incredibly accurate to a world that was created. He’s like an archaeologist who’s digging something that existed. I think that The Hobbit has a little bit more poetic licence.

It has… How can I say it? It has a little bit more flamboyance.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
Yes, as if Del Toro would say, "Yeah, my goal is to make a derivative prequel that plays on fanboy sensibilities."

There's no reason for a Hobbit movie in the first place, but there's no good reason why it should be two films.

I'm expecting Pan's Labyrinth of the Rings.
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Post by: Mupepe on January 15, 2010, 01:40:35 PM
Sounds good to me.

Sounds like Hobbit fanboys are the ones getting their panties in a bunch.  i just want some of Jackson's and Del Toro's fuckbaby covering my face in IMAX.  Call it Lord of the Hobbits or Pan's Hobbit or The Hobbit.  I don't give a shit.  I want to see what they come up with.  just being honest.  I don't give a shit how faithful it is to the hobbit's story or tone.  I have the book for that.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 01:41:46 PM
Uh, nobody is decrying it for taking liberties with the source material, we're just saying there is absolutely no excuse for two films, other than to make it overwrought and pry dollars from fanboy wallets.

Buy, yeah, have fun with that.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on January 15, 2010, 01:54:20 PM
Has the length of the two films been discussed? Maybe they prefer 2 ~90-120min movies instead of creating movies with a more light-hearted tone that is 3+ hours long.
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Post by: Mupepe on January 15, 2010, 01:58:44 PM
Uh, nobody is decrying it for taking liberties with the source material, we're just saying there is absolutely no excuse for two films, other than to make it overwrought and pry dollars from fanboy wallets.

Buy, yeah, have fun with that.
I wasn't pointing at you.  I was pointing at other nerds.  Like ones at GAF who complain that they're interjecting Gandalf's stories into it from the works and coming up with bits by themselves.  The only part directed at anybody in this thread was regarding the "tone" of the movies.  Like I said.  Do not care.  I'm seeing this more so I can have PJ and Del Toro wank material than I am for my LOTR or Hobbit wanking.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 02:11:54 PM
Yes, as if Del Toro would say, "Yeah, my goal is to make a derivative prequel that plays on fanboy sensibilities."

There's no reason for a Hobbit movie in the first place, but there's no good reason why it should be two films.

I'm expecting Pan's Labyrinth of the Rings.

Uh, more likely he would have said "We're working to tie in the two Hobbits movies with the three LOTR movies by using the established tone and style."

But he didn't.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 02:16:09 PM
He actually pretty much says when there is a need for it, such familiarity will exist in his two films. Good to know you read your own quote there!

Again, no sane filmmaker is going to say, "YEAH YOU'RE TOTALLY GOING TO FEEL LIKE IT'S THE SAME MOVIE"
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 02:26:14 PM
He actually pretty much says when there is a need for it, such familiarity will exist in his two films. Good to know you read your own quote there!

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Except where that familiarity is comforting, like Hobbiton or Rivendell – then you want to feel like you’re coming back home to a movie that you love and cherish.

So, a few scenes then. Why, that's pretty much the entire movie!
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 02:29:10 PM
My point was to address your claim that he says that the films won't even overlap in style or tone, but within the context of your own quote he says that's not necessarily true. And if you think the similarities and fanboy pandering will stop at Hobbiton and Rivendell, I have a bridge to Gravina Island to sell you.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on January 15, 2010, 02:31:33 PM
Regarding the "tone", you can't change the fact the Hobbit was written as a children's book completely before, and independant of LotR, but the LotR movies already exist and I don't see how they can be ignored.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 02:33:02 PM
My point was to address your claim that he says that the films won't even overlap in style or tone, but within the context of your own quote he says that's not necessarily true. And if you think the similarities and fanboy pandering will stop at Hobbiton and Rivendell, I have a bridge to Gravina Island to sell you.

I think it's pretty clear what he said, and what I said about what he said, they're not going to tear down the Rivendell and Hobbiton sets and build new ones that are completely different because they do want some connection between The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy, but that The Hobbit is still its own story with its own particularly style.

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Q: Presumably it will also be a bit more magical? Have a stronger fairytale vibe?

It is in many ways just what you enjoy in the book. You enjoy an almost chamber piece, like when the stone trolls talk about cooking the dwarves.

It’s such a small piece but at the same time it’s magical and it’s almost a comedy, that you have these enormous creatures talking about cooking these dwarves!

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I think that The Hobbit has a little bit more poetic licence.

It has… How can I say it? It has a little bit more flamboyance.

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We are not trying to make a quadrilogy, or a pentilogy.

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All I can say is that we have an incredibly good team of people who know we are not making another Rings.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 02:34:03 PM
And I'm saying, what do you expect him to say? "Uh, yeah, I'm making the same movie."

Geez, Great Rumbler, you're such a Talkbacker sometimes.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 02:38:03 PM
And I'm saying, what do you expect him to say? "Uh, yeah, I'm making the same movie."

What do you expect him to say? "Uh, yeah, the LOTR movies are pretty much overwrought, overlong and mediocre epics. We're completely going to ignore that they ever existed and just do our own thing."
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 02:41:51 PM
I expect him to say what he just said. It's all Hollywood babble. I'm not quoting or referencing anything Del Toro is saying, because it's irrelevant. The relevant facts are that the production was started solely for money (unless it's always been Peter Jackson's dream to executive produce a two-part adaptation of The Hobbit for a lump sum of cash following a very successful trilogy) and that it's two fucking films.

And if you think for one second that any studio is financing a project that they can't market as LORD OF THE RINGS 2: RING HARDER, you're just delusional.
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Post by: TEEEPO on January 15, 2010, 02:55:47 PM
If by "hate" you mean "not being terribly excited about a venture born solely out of money that is turning a light children's story into a two-part LOTR epic", then yes, it's totally hate.

Fanboys. ::)

tell me if i'm reading this right. you're selling the idea that integrity takes precedence over money and profits in the realm of first cinema hollywood productions, because the problem i'm having is i can't think of a single studio movie that is not born solely out of remunerative incentives.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 03:14:50 PM
Huh, do you have a reading comprehension problem?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
I don't know why you guys are arguing with Wilco, he didn't even like GOLDEN GLOBE® NOMINEE and Highest Grossing Film of All-Time, James Cameron's Avatar. Sounds like he just doesn't like movies.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 03:17:25 PM
I hate movies!

Oh, I think I get TEEPO's argument. He's trying to say that all productions are born solely as money-making ventures, which is not true. Most blockbusters are, but even Hollywood suits know that a good film makes good money most times. Then there are times you leverage brand strength for box office dollars, such as The Hobbit or any of the shitty X-Men films.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 03:34:51 PM
I expect him to say what he just said. It's all Hollywood babble. I'm not quoting or referencing anything Del Toro is saying, because it's irrelevant. The relevant facts are that the production was started solely for money (unless it's always been Peter Jackson's dream to executive produce a two-part adaptation of The Hobbit for a lump sum of cash following a very successful trilogy) and that it's two fucking films.

And if you think for one second that any studio is financing a project that they can't market as LORD OF THE RINGS 2: RING HARDER, you're just delusional.

Yes, they want money. Yes, they'll market this as LOTR Part 2. Yes, they probably split it into two movies because they want to maximize their profits on the endeavor.

Now what does that have to with whether or not The Hobbit is going to be a carbon copy of the LOTR movies?
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Post by: TEEEPO on January 15, 2010, 03:41:19 PM
I hate movies!

Oh, I think I get TEEPO's argument. He's trying to say that all productions are born solely as money-making ventures, which is not true.

i'm not trying to make an arguement, i'm just trying to figure out yours since its rather difficult at times with your incessant whining.

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Most blockbusters are, but even Hollywood suits know that a good film makes good money most times. Then there are times you leverage brand strength for box office dollars, such as The Hobbit or any of the shitty X-Men films.

isn't the point of any studio film to create a franchise be it through the title, genre, director, actor or even the writers for the sake of exploiting and maximizing future profit potential? and are you trying to tell me that quality some how negates the incentive of making profit?
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 03:55:10 PM
isn't the point of any studio film to create a franchise be it through the title, genre, director, actor or even the writers for the sake of exploiting and maximizing future profit potential?

No.

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and are you trying to tell me that quality some how negates the incentive of making profit?

I never said that either.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 03:58:39 PM
Yes, they want money. Yes, they'll market this as LOTR Part 2. Yes, they probably split it into two movies because they want to maximize their profits on the endeavor.

So they're only splitting The Hobbit into two films because they want to maximize profits, and each will only be 80 minutes long, instead of, y'know, two overly long films?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 03:59:30 PM
Yes, they want money. Yes, they'll market this as LOTR Part 2. Yes, they probably split it into two movies because they want to maximize their profits on the endeavor.

So they're only splitting The Hobbit into two films because they want to maximize profits, and each will only be 80 minutes long, instead of, y'know, two overly long films?

Anything more than "80 minutes" is overly long?  :wtf
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 04:00:03 PM
If The Hobbit is over three hours, then yes, it is overly long.
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Post by: Mupepe on January 15, 2010, 04:01:09 PM
But it's not just the hobbit as we know it.  They said they're taking side stories from his other works and interjecting them as well. 
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 04:01:35 PM
Wow, that changes everything. So now it's overlong and needlessly convoluted.
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Post by: border on January 15, 2010, 04:03:15 PM
It's always disappointing to see educated artists who fail to understand that there is no such thing as a "quadrilogy". 
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 04:05:06 PM
Fox begs to differ, border. :smug

(http://www.technofile.com/images/alien_quadrilogy.jpg)
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Post by: border on January 15, 2010, 04:06:03 PM
Uggggh, that stupid box set ruined everything.

At least Raimi bailing on Spider Man means that I will have to hear the word "quadrilogy" 90% less than I would have otherwise.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 04:06:31 PM
Fox begs to differ, border. :smug

(http://www.technofile.com/images/alien_quadrilogy.jpg)

They made four Alien movies?  ???
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 04:07:20 PM
Would you prefer people use the term "tetralogy" instead?
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Post by: Mupepe on January 15, 2010, 04:07:26 PM
Wow, that changes everything. So now it's overlong and needlessly convoluted.
Well that's just like... your opinion... man.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 04:08:05 PM
They made four Alien movies?  ???

They made three Alien movies ???
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Post by: Eric P on January 15, 2010, 04:10:41 PM
they made two alien movies?  ???
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Post by: Eric P on January 15, 2010, 04:10:49 PM
:smug
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 04:11:09 PM
They made four Alien movies?  ???

They made three Alien movies ???

Uh...maybe? I remember something about the Fight Club guy wanting to do one, but I don't think anything came out of it. Wasn't it canceled right before release or something?
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 04:11:44 PM
Well that's just like... your opinion... man.

Opinions are like cowboy hats, everybody has one. That's true.

... but you'd be hard pressed to find a filmmaker that will tell you the proper way to adapt a self-contained story is to spread it out and fill it with stuff from ancillary works. That's just ridiculous. And that is why I have pretty much no faith in The Hobbit. The novel could make for a pretty good, self contained film, but this desire to turn it into a sprawling epic just reeks of trying to placate fanboys.
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Post by: Mupepe on January 15, 2010, 04:18:25 PM
I see where you're coming from, Willco.  Like I said, I'm just blinded by my love for PJ and Del Toro.  Because of the source material and talent involved, I have faith that it will turn out pretty awesome anyways.  Plus, to be honest, I don't really care for the hobbit.  :teehee  I'd rather it be re-imagined.  :omg

Now some hobbit dude is going to come in here and hate me.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2010, 04:20:55 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61TH9LgHCFL._SS500_.jpg)

They made 6 Alien movies? ???
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 15, 2010, 04:23:54 PM
Thats weird, i thought willco really cared about studio profits and loves financially motivated decision making.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 04:30:35 PM
Thats weird, i thought willco really cared about studio profits and loves financially motivated decision making.

I do care about studio profits when it impacts the industry I'm trying to make a living in, but I'm not a financially-motivated guy. That said, if a studio makes a financial decisions that doesn't stack up at first glance, are we not allowed to second guess? I fail to see how you could equate that to my wanton destruction of artistic integrity for the sake of the almighty dollar, but okay!
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Post by: border on January 15, 2010, 04:37:45 PM
Would you prefer people use the term "tetralogy" instead?

It's the proper term, so yes.  I think the term "quadriliogy" is only an invention of the last decade or so, when Hollywood believed people were too stupid to understand a prefix meaning "four" that wasn't "quad".
Title: Re: Spider-Man 4 canned. Current franchise dead. Reboot in 2012 with no Raimi
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 04:38:21 PM
If The Hobbit movies turn out bad we'll let you say "I told you so".
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 04:40:32 PM
I probably won't care enough to do so, Great Rumbler. I like Del Toro as a filmmaker. I wouldn't necessarily gloat at his failure and I'm pretty sure nobody sets out to make a bad movie (or two), but I just have no interest in it for the reasons already stated. Similar to Avatar.

... border, the problem is that people really are that stupid.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 15, 2010, 04:41:29 PM
When you say "the Hobbit movies," do you mean the entire films? Or only the parts taken from The Hobbit? :smug
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 04:43:22 PM
I probably won't care enough to do so, Great Rumbler. I like Del Toro as a filmmaker. I wouldn't necessarily gloat at his failure and I'm pretty sure nobody sets out to make a bad movie (or two), but I just have no interest in it for the reasons already stated. Similar to Avatar.

I was only kidding anyway. They won't turn out bad.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 04:44:29 PM
Of course you wouldn't think that. :smug
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2010, 04:50:03 PM
Of course you wouldn't think that. :smug

Well, I am at least basing my opinion on something other than a nebulous feeling that some sort of greed is being exuded by the production.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 15, 2010, 05:00:31 PM
Your opinion is based on affection for the filmmaker, while disregarding the fact that is now multiple films from one book or the circumstances around the production.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 15, 2010, 05:16:15 PM
You know what other books are being expanded into two films? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ... and Breaking Dawn.

No fanbase milking to see here, move along. :smug
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Post by: Mupepe on January 15, 2010, 05:22:47 PM
Breaking Dawn is going to be two films?  Fucking hell.  I just want the crazy shit from the fourth.
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Post by: border on January 15, 2010, 05:34:23 PM
Breaking Dawn is the fourth Twilight book!

I don't think we will get to see a werewolf fall in love with a baby (http://revgoomba.tumblr.com/post/264783498/the-devins-advocate-why-breaking-dawn-must-be-made) until the 5th film though :lol
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Post by: Mupepe on January 15, 2010, 05:37:30 PM
ah shit!  i get all this furry bullshit mixed up!

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A werewolf falling in love with a baby. This is why Thomas Edison invented this shit in the first place. So we could see a werewolf fall in love with a baby.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 15, 2010, 05:46:27 PM
4th movie should give us Edward performing a C-section with his teeth, though! 8)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2010, 08:08:41 PM
I trust Del Toro/Jackson. If anyone can do it right it's them. Trying not to get my hopes up too much though simply due to the money grubbing shit. I mean, initially the second movie was supposed to bridge The Hobbit to LOTR, which sounded cool and would give them lots of creative freedom.

Now...eh. I can't even think of a point in The Hobbit that would make a nice "to be continued next year folks!" ending for the first movie. smh 
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Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2010, 10:51:49 AM
Fox begs to differ, border. :smug

(http://www.technofile.com/images/alien_quadrilogy.jpg)

They made four Alien movies?  ???
Not if you ignore the third one, like I do.
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Post by: Purple Filth on January 16, 2010, 12:11:00 PM
You know what other books are being expanded into two films? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ... and Breaking Dawn.

No fanbase milking to see here, move along. :smug

interesting.

Best way to get the fans out as much as they can i guess.