If negotiations proceed according to plan, Malkovich will be playing Spider-Man’s nemesis the Vulture, who packs a punch despite his advanced age. The Vulture is able to fly through the air and brandish his sharp wings to attack Spider-Man.
As for Hathaway, that’s where things get tricky.
The 27-year-old actress is currently the top choice for Felicia Hardy, who’d been long-rumored as one of the new characters in this installment. (Other names bandied about for the role included Julia Stiles, Rachel McAdams, and Romola Garai.) However, unlike in the comic books, this Felicia Hardy doesn’t transform into the Black Cat. Instead, Raimi’s Felicia will become a brand-new superpowered figure called the Vulturess.
What does this mean for poor Dylan Baker, who’s patiently played Curt Connors in the last two installments? As much as it would seem that the series is setting up his eventual transformation into supervillain the Lizard, we hear that the suits simply can’t bring themselves to sign off on such an odd-looking enemy — instead, they’d rather hew closer to villains with a human face. Perhaps, then, it’s the best-case scenario for Baker: He gets to remain the subject of fanboy interest, but he doesn’t have to cede his role to a motion-captured reptile in a lab coat.
Did people really buy that BS about SM3 only sucking because of studio involvement? Raimi is trolling spider-man fans really hard.
I'd love, love, love to see Mysterio brought to the screen, but I'll gladly take anything that's not another science experiment gone awry.
Looks like everyone's friendly neighborhood web slinger has been been placed on indefinite hold said an inside source exclusively to the IESB today.http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7951:spider-man-4-production-on-indefinite-hold&catid=41:news&Itemid=71
Apparently, several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday. Spidey and friends have some issues that need to be dealt with before production can move forward once again. Oh, and the film is known as SPIDER-M4N within the production offices so take note! Who wants to be the first to start the trending topic on Twitter #SPIDER-M4N?
An inside source working on the project tells IESB that there are some major issues director Sam Raimi is dealing with that include an incomplete script. And why is the script incomplete? Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.
Raimi is pushing hard for the Vulture to be the big baddie, something he also pushed for in the third film to star alongside the Sandman but didn't get and we all know how that one turned out. Vulture was to do his evil deeds alongside the new Goblin and Sandman. A single concept art sketch can be seen in "The Art of Spider-Man 3" book. Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes.
On the flip side, who does the studio want to be the villain? Our source says they seem to only be interested in featuring which ever character is selling books right now but basically they have no idea, just not the Vulture.
So, production on SPIDER-M4N grinded to a halt this past Thursday and isn't budging until some compromises are made. Sony is in a bit of a dilemna though because they are insistent upon getting a film shooting as soon as possible. Our source also said these issues aren't being handled in the most friendliest of fashions. There is apparently some definite anger within the production with several people very "pissed off".
Perhaps they will use the time over the holidays to calm down in order to make some compromises to decide which way the film will be headed as the new year begins in January.
We will have to wait and see!
Looks like everyone's friendly neighborhood web slinger has been been placed on indefinite hold said an inside source exclusively to the IESB today.
Apparently, several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday. Spidey and friends have some issues that need to be dealt with before production can move forward once again. Oh, and the film is known as SPIDER-M4N within the production offices so take note! Who wants to be the first to start the trending topic on Twitter #SPIDER-M4N?
An inside source working on the project tells IESB that there are some major issues director Sam Raimi is dealing with that include an incomplete script. And why is the script incomplete? Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.
Raimi is pushing hard for the Vulture to be the big baddie, something he also pushed for in the third film to star alongside the Sandman but didn't get and we all know how that one turned out. Vulture was to do his evil deeds alongside the new Goblin and Sandman. A single concept art sketch can be seen in "The Art of Spider-Man 3" book. Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes.
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Oh well, Raimi was an idiot for taking the money anyway.
I don't get why people love Raimi so much. This is that man that let Kevin Costner ruin For the Love of the Game.
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IESB Exclusive: SPIDER-MAN 4 Production on Indefinite Hold
Looks like everyone's friendly neighborhood web slinger has been been placed on indefinite hold said an inside source exclusively to the IESB today.
Apparently, several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday. Spidey and friends have some issues that need to be dealt with before production can move forward once again. Oh, and the film is known as SPIDER-M4N within the production offices so take note! Who wants to be the first to start the trending topic on Twitter #SPIDER-M4N?
An inside source working on the project tells IESB that there are some major issues director Sam Raimi is dealing with that include an incomplete script. And why is the script incomplete? Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.
Raimi is pushing hard for the Vulture to be the big baddie, something he also pushed for in the third film to star alongside the Sandman but didn't get and we all know how that one turned out. Vulture was to do his evil deeds alongside the new Goblin and Sandman. A single concept art sketch can be seen in "The Art of Spider-Man 3" book. Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes.
On the flip side, who does the studio want to be the villain? Our source says they seem to only be interested in featuring which ever character is selling books right now but basically they have no idea, just not the Vulture.
So, production on SPIDER-M4N grinded to a halt this past Thursday and isn't budging until some compromises are made. Sony is in a bit of a dilemna though because they are insistent upon getting a film shooting as soon as possible. Our source also said these issues aren't being handled in the most friendliest of fashions. There is apparently some definite anger within the production with several people very "pissed off".
Perhaps they will use the time over the holidays to calm down in order to make some compromises to decide which way the film will be headed as the new year begins in January.
We will have to wait and see!
This morning, IESB reported a rumor that Spider-Man 4 "has been been placed on indefinite hold."
The site continued by saying that "several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday. Spidey and friends have some issues that need to be dealt with before production can move forward once again."
Our studio source tells us this is not true. They are simply on hiatus for the holidays and production will resume in the new year. This is a very common practice on films, and not really surprising.
The fourth installment is scheduled for a release in conventional and IMAX theaters on May 5, 2011.
Sam Rami should dump this like a hot turd and get to the Warcraft movie so that Bruce Fucking Campbell can get his Oscar for Best Actor Of The Forever already. :-*
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Why is there a Pirates 4?
There should be a law that states that if a movie scores below a certain percentage on an aggregate list of critical reviews, a sequel cannot be released for seven years.
Pirates 4 is also based on an awesome novel (http://www.amazon.com/Stranger-Tides-Tim-Powers/dp/1930235321/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263150210&sr=8-1) from an awesome author :wag
Bloom and Knightly are finally gone!
Spider-Man: Summer 2012: Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.
Could it be he's going back as a teacher\teaching assistant?Quote from: Sony Pictures TwitterSpider-Man: Summer 2012: Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.
Holy Crap! They're rebooting the series, starting from scratch. Word on the street is that Raimi is out too.
:o
Could it be he's going back as a teacher\teaching assistant?Quote from: Sony Pictures TwitterSpider-Man: Summer 2012: Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.
Holy Crap! They're rebooting the series, starting from scratch. Word on the street is that Raimi is out too.
:o
I don't get this. Just let Raimi do what he wants. Why go against the creative force that got you to Spider-Man 4 in the first place, because it didn't really work out the last time around.
Oh well, Raimi was an idiot for taking the money anyway.
Quote from: Sony Pictures TwitterSpider-Man: Summer 2012: Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.
Holy Crap! They're rebooting the series, starting from scratch. Word on the street is that Raimi is out too.
:o
EXCLUSIVE: 'SPIDER-MAN 4' SCRAPPED; SAM RAIMI & TOBEY MAGUIRE & CAST OUT; FRANCHISE REBOOT FOR 2012
BREAKING NEWS! 2ND UPDATE: Mike Fleming and Nikki Finke have just confirmed that Sony Pictures decided today to reboot the Spider-Man franchise after franchise director Sam Raimi pulled out of Spider-Man 4 because he felt he couldn't make its summer release date and keep the film's creative integrity. This means that Raimi and the cast including star Tobey Maguire are out. There will be no Spider-Man 4. Instead, Mike Fleming is told, the studio will focus on a Summer 2012 reboot from a script by Jamie Vanderbilt with a new director and a new cast. All this took place today at meeting on the lot today. An official Sony Pictures news release about it is expected out now (see below).
Immediately, the news brought celebration and consternation equally to webslinger fanboys who say the reboot plot puts Peter Parker back in high school. There's also much unconfirmed speculation that this new franchise will be in 3D. And the fans also recall that, in 1991, James Cameron wrote a treatment for Spider-Man and now they're wondering if he might helm the reboot. (Sony ended up acquiring his treatment in a legal settlement.)
Here's what went down: My sources tell me that Raimi told Sony Pictures: "I can't make your date. I can't go forward creatively." And, so, once he said "That's it", Sony Pictures co-chairman Pascal and Columbia Pictures' Matt Tolmach decided they didn't want to replace him and instead chose to reboot the franchise. Insiders also tell me that Tobey Maguire heard the news in a phone call with Amy today. I'm told Tobey wasn't upset. "He's made 3 great Spider-Man movies. He's done really well. But he's the kind of guy who, if Sam wanted to go forward, would have been there for Sam and the studio. Absolutely."
Mike Fleming has heard that, from Spidey, Raimi could move to World Of Warcraft, or to The Given Day, that terrific novel by Dennis Lehane, author of Shutter Island and Mystic River. Both are worthy projects, but World Of Warcraft is a huge franchise.
Fortunately for the studio, Sony was not yet "pay or play" on some of the talent negotiations which were still only at the tail end. Raimi was insisting that John Malkovich play the villain, and the studio was looking to cast Anne Hathaway. "I'm not so sure we're going in that direction," an insider told me on January 5th. Sony had been hot for her until bigwigs realized she'd cost too much and they probably don't need "such a big star" for the pic, I was told. (See my previous, Anne Hathaway Wanted For 'Spider-Man 4'.)
As for those repeated rumors that Spider-Man 4 might shoot in 3D, I've learned it would have added at least 6 months to the production schedule and "no one on the pic has any idea how to do that," a source confided. You've got to figure 3D now is uppermost on Sony minds given the post-Avatar climate, and Summer 2012 is more than enough time to make the reboot with new technology. Back in April, Sony Pictures' co-chairmen Amy Pascal and Michael Lynton told Forbes magazine: "People are paying a premium to see movies in 3-D and that's a very big deal. It's never been done before that someone says you have to pay more to see Spider-Man than a romantic comedy."
The events that led to today's shocking decision to scrap Spider-Man 4 can be traced to mid-December when I saw a December 11th email alerting the pic's special effects crew that the fourquel would not be starting as planned "but Sam Raimi has story issues [that] need to be resolved before we are ready to shoot". At that point, it wasn't well known that the Spider-Man franchise director helming the 4th installment had huge problems with the script that has run through screenwriters Jamie Vanderbilt, David Lindsay-Abaire, and Gary Ross. I was told Sam Raimi had been very vocal inside Sony that he "hated" it. I broke this story on January 5th, and reported that Raimi and Sony were anxiously waiting for still another version from screenwriter Alvin Sargent, who wrote Spidey 2 & 3 and is married to Spidey franchise producer Laura Ziskind. "It is unlikely that May 11, 2011, date will be made," a Sony insider told me that day. "It depends on how quickly the script can get in." However, agents told clients in the movie to already expect the film to be pushed back.
My sources said Sony still intends to release that summer, even if the new date is July 2011. But Spider-Man has always owned that coveted early May date. Even as far back as September 2008 when I reported my exclusive that Sony Locks Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire For 'Spider-Man 4'.
What a giant opportunity for other studios planning their 2011 schedules to grab this big opening. And they did. Paramount and Marvel Entertainment pushed up the release of Thor by two weeks to May 6, 2011. Thor was set to have opened May 20, 2011, a slot which Disney grabbed for Pirates of the Caribbean 4: On Stranger Tides.
Spider-Man 4 was supposed to start filming in February, which Tobey Maguire echoed repeatedly in publicity appearances for Brothers. Then it pushed to March. Then late March/early April. And by January 5th there was no date at all, according to my Sony insiders who emailed me: "Some decisions have been made over the holiday about Spider-Man 4. We will be extending the production hiatus on the film. The studio is firmly committed to this franchise but, for us, the script must come first. We intend to notify members of the crew immediately. As you know, Alvin Sargent is currently working on the screenplay. When we have more news, we will keep you posted."
Pascal and Tolmach, who have shepherded the Spider-Man franchise from Day One, have been wrestling with this script problem for months. "I'm going to do everything I can to make May," she has repeatedly told Hollywood types involved with the movie. "But I'm not going to start a movie where the script isn't right yet. Not unless I want my career to be over."
Here is the Sony press release:
Culver City, CA (January 11, 2010) -- Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012. Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios announced today they are moving forward with a film based on a script by James Vanderbilt that focuses on a teenager grappling with both contemporary human problems and amazing super-human crises.
The new chapter in the Spider-Man franchise produced by Columbia, Marvel Studios and Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, will have a new cast and filmmaking team. Spider-Man 4 was to have been released in 2011, but had not yet gone into production.
“A decade ago we set out on this journey with Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire and together we made three Spider-Man films that set a new bar for the genre. When we began, no one ever imagined that we would make history at the box-office and now we have a rare opportunity to make history once again with this franchise. Peter Parker as an ordinary young adult grappling with extraordinary powers has always been the foundation that has made this character so timeless and compelling for generations of fans. We’re very excited about the creative possibilities that come from returning to Peter's roots and we look forward to working once again with Marvel Studios, Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin on this new beginning,” said Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment.
“Working on the Spider-Man movies was the experience of a lifetime for me. While we were looking forward to doing a fourth one together, the studio and Marvel have a unique opportunity to take the franchise in a new direction, and I know they will do a terrific job,” said Sam Raimi.
“We have had a once-in-a-lifetime collaboration and friendship with Sam and Tobey and they have given us their best for the better part of the last decade.This is a bittersweet moment for us because while it is hard to imagine Spider-Man in anyone else’s hands, I know that this was a day that was inevitable,” said Matt Tolmach, president of Columbia Pictures, who has served as the studio’s chief production executive since the beginning of the franchise. “Now everything begins anew, and that’s got us all tremendously excited about what comes next. Under the continuing supervision of Avi and Laura, we have a clear vision for the future of Spider-Man and can’t wait to share this exciting new direction with audiences in 2012.”
"Spider-Man will always be an important franchise for Sony Pictures and a fresh start like this is a responsibility that we all take very seriously," said Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures. "We have always believed that story comes first and story guides the direction of these films and as we move onto the next chapter, we will stay true to that principle and will do so with the highest respect for the source material and the fans and moviegoers who deserve nothing but the best when it comes to bringing these stories and characters to life on the big screen."
The studio will have more news about Spider-Man in 2012 in the coming weeks as it prepares for production of the film.
Good for Raimi. Now we can watch World of Warcraft sabotage his career instead.
Warcraft will turn out to be worse than Spidey 3. Has there ever been a truly great videogame adaptation, the incredibly cheesy and merely entertaining Mortal Kombat excluded?
I think Silent Hill is the best video game adaptation and is a a fairly good movie.
the story for part 4 included a baby and the script was "legendarily awful."
stolen from gafQuotethe story for part 4 included a baby and the script was "legendarily awful."
i guess a bullet was dodged then.
I'm going to send the idea over to Sony tomorrow after I talk to a lawyer.
I hope you keep it to yourself, because I'd hate for someone to steal it from you.Green Shinobi :lol
You should make a Millar hero:
"He's like Spider-Man, only he was bitten by a praying mantis. His name is The Mantis. THINK ABOUT IT."
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You should make a Millar hero:
"He's like Spider-Man, only he was bitten by a praying mantis. His name is The Mantis. THINK ABOUT IT."
what if the punisher, instead of killing killers, raped rapists? think about it
C'mon Green Man, let's hear it. Clones? Spider-GIRL? High-school Spidey in an alternate new universe?
All major new approaches ust waiting to be exploited IMHO.
Okay so here's the idea:
An older Peter Parker is still working at the daily bugle (though in a high paying position) when he finds out that a teenaged co-worker, much like himself back in the day, needs a bone marrow transplant. So him and everyone else at the Bugle give blood to see if they're a match and sure enough, Peter is. Now Peter being a man of science and reason knows that he runs the risk of giving his spider-powers to this young lad but what's he going to do, say no and look like a total dickface? I don't think so.
So peter goes through with it and sure enough kid get's spider-man powers and puts it all together. He confronts Peter one day, who admits that he's spider-man and that he feels like he can't be anymore. Constantly putting a strain on is relationship with Mary Jane, Peter realizes that he just can't be the Husband he needs to be and the hero everyone depends on (its one or the other).
Peter offers his iconic costume to said teenager, who accepts seeing this opportunity as the reason he's still alive (fate and all that). Peter begins to show him the ropes, and our new hero's story begins....
SPIDER-MAN: A NEW BEGINNING
I'm tired of reboots and I'm tired of Spiderman. Give the franchise a rest please.
Especially after the shit that was #3.
My Spider-Man origin story would be as follows. The African spider God\thing Anansi comes to America, has an affair and impregnates a married white woman. The unknowing husband thinks the child is his until of course the child is born. He eventually is driven mad and decides to kill him and his wife while driving his car. Nobody wants to do anything with the child so Anansi takes pity on him and becomes Uncle Ben (of rice fame) and I give up.
You should make a Millar hero:
"He's like Spider-Man, only he was bitten by a praying mantis. His name is The Mantis. THINK ABOUT IT."
In my Spider-Man script treatment, Spider-Man and Mr. Fantastic are running some experiments with CERN's Large Hardon Collider when they open a black hole that sucks up Spider-Man and spits him out in Gotham City and he has to fight Batman. Also Wolverine is in it.
My idea for Spiderman is that Mary Jane dies in some comic fashion. Due to the tragedy, Peter Parker realizes he can never love a woman like her ever again. So he becomes gay.
The title would be "The Adventures of Gay Spiderman."
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Yeah, if this Hollywood thing falls through, I could always write shitty Spider-Man books.I think my Spider-Man's dad is Anansi is *almost* better than the Straczynski guy.
My Anansi idea could still work. A mulatto struggling with his African and American identity, his uncle's presumed death and his ascent into the presidency.
My idea for Spiderman is that Mary Jane dies in some comic fashion. Due to the tragedy, Peter Parker realizes he can never love a woman like her ever again. So he becomes gay.
The title would be "The Adventures of Gay Spiderman."
I really would like a reboot\origins story for the Phantom.
I think Silent Hill is the best video game adaptation and is a a fairly good movie.Dude, the Mortal Kombat movie was FUCKING AWESOME. 8)
I think Silent Hill is the best video game adaptation and is a a fairly good movie.Dude, the Mortal Kombat movie was FUCKING AWESOME. 8)
I really would like a reboot\origins story for the Phantom.i would like a fucking good Shadow or Doc Bronze movie
I want Fox to reboot X-Men with Claremont writing it so he'll kill Wolverine before the opening credits.
I really would like a reboot\origins story for the Phantom.i would like a fucking good Shadow or Doc Bronze movie
I'm SUPER curious about Pixar's John Carter of Mars. Pixar? Live action? Michael Chabon screenplay?!
I really would like a reboot\origins story for the Phantom.i would like a fucking good Shadow or Doc Bronze movie
Sad we never got that Arnie Doc Savage flick, it could've been interesting.
I'm SUPER curious about Pixar's John Carter of Mars. Pixar? Live action? Michael Chabon screenplay?!
that would be great but i fear
it's not like licensed pulp fantasy has had a charmed life in hollywood
They should call it 'Avastory'
They should call it 'Avastory'
well avastory is better than no story at all!
Its a pixar movie so it wont be better than Avatar.
the billy zane one is actually quite faithfulMake a live action version of Phantom 2040. That interpretation of the Phantom was awesome.
but it's also really goofy. didn't really survive the transition, i think
i would like a fucking good Shadow or Doc Bronze movie
It's like the love for the old X-Men cartoon.
New Frontier kind of sucked. I don't get the love for all these mediocre DCU cartoons that simplify comic book storylines (albeit remain somewhat faithful to canon). It's like the love for the old X-Men cartoon. They are really not that great.
It's pretty bad. Some of the voice acting is awful and the animation is terrible. People are blinded by nostalgia. The only animated superhero show that has held up is Batman: The Animated Series - which was legitimately awesome. Even the first animated feature, Mask of the Phantasm, was pretty great.
It's pretty bad. Some of the voice acting is awful and the animation is terrible. People are blinded by nostalgia. The only animated superhero show that has held up is Batman: The Animated Series - which was legitimately awesome. Even the first animated feature, Mask of the Phantasm, was pretty great.
Pryde of the X-Men was the best X-Men animated version, but no one remembers it.
not surprisingly the issue i stopped reading that series
i knew that i was in trouble as a regular reader when "by popular demand" venom made an appearance
fucking venom
fucking "fans"
most of those dcu direct-to-dvd features have been pretty shitty
i kind of liked The Batman Vs Dracula
The Absolute edition consoles me however :heartbeat
While a WoW movie could very likely turn out ridiculous and bad, I'm more excited about it than The Hobbit, which is just two (TWO!) more Lord of the Rings movies we sure as hell don't needIf you're not excited about Guillerlellermo Del Bull's THE HOBBIT, you have coal for a heart.
While a WoW movie could very likely turn out ridiculous and bad, I'm more excited about it than The Hobbit, which is just two (TWO!) more Lord of the Rings movies we sure as hell don't needIf you're not excited about Guillerlellermo Del Bull's THE HOBBIT, you have coal for a heart.spoiler (click to show/hide)COAL! :'([close]
Is WoW definitely the next course on Raimi's plate, or will he maybe do an Evil Dead sequel/reboot/remake?
While a WoW movie could very likely turn out ridiculous and bad, I'm more excited about it than The Hobbit, which is just two (TWO!) more Lord of the Rings movies we sure as hell don't need
Q: Is it going to be more intimate?
I wish I could spoil it! All I can say is that we have an incredibly good team of people who know we are not making another Rings. We are not trying to make a quadrilogy, or a pentilogy. We’re tying to make two films that flow with those but that stand on their own completely.
We want to avoid stuff that is not part of the DNA, that is not part of the lexicon, but we also don’t want people to feel “We’ve seen this”.
Except where that familiarity is comforting, like Hobbiton or Rivendell – then you want to feel like you’re coming back home to a movie that you love and cherish.
Q: Presumably it will also be a bit more magical? Have a stronger fairytale vibe?
It is in many ways just what you enjoy in the book. You enjoy an almost chamber piece, like when the stone trolls talk about cooking the dwarves.
It’s such a small piece but at the same time it’s magical and it’s almost a comedy, that you have these enormous creatures talking about cooking these dwarves!
Q: It wouldn’t be a Guillermo del Toro movie unless it possessed a poetic quality, surely?
There is a lot of magic in the film. Peter has the eye of a strong historian, in the sense that the trilogy is incredibly accurate to a world that was created. He’s like an archaeologist who’s digging something that existed. I think that The Hobbit has a little bit more poetic licence.
It has… How can I say it? It has a little bit more flamboyance.
Uh, nobody is decrying it for taking liberties with the source material, we're just saying there is absolutely no excuse for two films, other than to make it overwrought and pry dollars from fanboy wallets.I wasn't pointing at you. I was pointing at other nerds. Like ones at GAF who complain that they're interjecting Gandalf's stories into it from the works and coming up with bits by themselves. The only part directed at anybody in this thread was regarding the "tone" of the movies. Like I said. Do not care. I'm seeing this more so I can have PJ and Del Toro wank material than I am for my LOTR or Hobbit wanking.
Buy, yeah, have fun with that.
Yes, as if Del Toro would say, "Yeah, my goal is to make a derivative prequel that plays on fanboy sensibilities."
There's no reason for a Hobbit movie in the first place, but there's no good reason why it should be two films.
I'm expecting Pan's Labyrinth of the Rings.
He actually pretty much says when there is a need for it, such familiarity will exist in his two films. Good to know you read your own quote there!
Except where that familiarity is comforting, like Hobbiton or Rivendell – then you want to feel like you’re coming back home to a movie that you love and cherish.
My point was to address your claim that he says that the films won't even overlap in style or tone, but within the context of your own quote he says that's not necessarily true. And if you think the similarities and fanboy pandering will stop at Hobbiton and Rivendell, I have a bridge to Gravina Island to sell you.
Q: Presumably it will also be a bit more magical? Have a stronger fairytale vibe?
It is in many ways just what you enjoy in the book. You enjoy an almost chamber piece, like when the stone trolls talk about cooking the dwarves.
It’s such a small piece but at the same time it’s magical and it’s almost a comedy, that you have these enormous creatures talking about cooking these dwarves!
I think that The Hobbit has a little bit more poetic licence.
It has… How can I say it? It has a little bit more flamboyance.
We are not trying to make a quadrilogy, or a pentilogy.
All I can say is that we have an incredibly good team of people who know we are not making another Rings.
And I'm saying, what do you expect him to say? "Uh, yeah, I'm making the same movie."
If by "hate" you mean "not being terribly excited about a venture born solely out of money that is turning a light children's story into a two-part LOTR epic", then yes, it's totally hate.
Fanboys. ::)
I expect him to say what he just said. It's all Hollywood babble. I'm not quoting or referencing anything Del Toro is saying, because it's irrelevant. The relevant facts are that the production was started solely for money (unless it's always been Peter Jackson's dream to executive produce a two-part adaptation of The Hobbit for a lump sum of cash following a very successful trilogy) and that it's two fucking films.
And if you think for one second that any studio is financing a project that they can't market as LORD OF THE RINGS 2: RING HARDER, you're just delusional.
I hate movies!
Oh, I think I get TEEPO's argument. He's trying to say that all productions are born solely as money-making ventures, which is not true.
Most blockbusters are, but even Hollywood suits know that a good film makes good money most times. Then there are times you leverage brand strength for box office dollars, such as The Hobbit or any of the shitty X-Men films.
isn't the point of any studio film to create a franchise be it through the title, genre, director, actor or even the writers for the sake of exploiting and maximizing future profit potential?
and are you trying to tell me that quality some how negates the incentive of making profit?
Yes, they want money. Yes, they'll market this as LOTR Part 2. Yes, they probably split it into two movies because they want to maximize their profits on the endeavor.
Yes, they want money. Yes, they'll market this as LOTR Part 2. Yes, they probably split it into two movies because they want to maximize their profits on the endeavor.
So they're only splitting The Hobbit into two films because they want to maximize profits, and each will only be 80 minutes long, instead of, y'know, two overly long films?
Fox begs to differ, border. :smug
(http://www.technofile.com/images/alien_quadrilogy.jpg)
Wow, that changes everything. So now it's overlong and needlessly convoluted.Well that's just like... your opinion... man.
They made four Alien movies? ???
They made four Alien movies? ???
They made three Alien movies ???
Well that's just like... your opinion... man.
Thats weird, i thought willco really cared about studio profits and loves financially motivated decision making.
Would you prefer people use the term "tetralogy" instead?
I probably won't care enough to do so, Great Rumbler. I like Del Toro as a filmmaker. I wouldn't necessarily gloat at his failure and I'm pretty sure nobody sets out to make a bad movie (or two), but I just have no interest in it for the reasons already stated. Similar to Avatar.
Of course you wouldn't think that. :smug
A werewolf falling in love with a baby. This is why Thomas Edison invented this shit in the first place. So we could see a werewolf fall in love with a baby.:rofl :rofl :rofl
Not if you ignore the third one, like I do.Fox begs to differ, border. :smug
(http://www.technofile.com/images/alien_quadrilogy.jpg)
They made four Alien movies? ???
You know what other books are being expanded into two films? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ... and Breaking Dawn.
No fanbase milking to see here, move along. :smug