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« Reply #2100 on: March 14, 2020, 07:45:25 PM »
If this thing lasts longer than two weeks the economies of already weak countries are completely fucked.
With Lagarde at the helm of the ECB everything will turn to shit soon enough. Every time she speaks the markets tumble.

https://twitter.com/FortuneMagazine/status/1238627163835969541

She basically told Italy it was their own problem.

That's why the English left. Everyone knows the Eurozone floats on Germany, The Netherlands and the Nordic countries.
If Italy defaults it'll be domino day across southern Europe. The Greek fire sale is peanuts compared to what's coming.

Germans will be happy though, cheap exports.

Netherlands, the economic bedrock of Europe due to feeding the world I presume?

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« Reply #2101 on: March 14, 2020, 07:51:57 PM »
No one IRL will ever understand my growing disdain for the Dutch :stahp

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« Reply #2102 on: March 14, 2020, 07:52:09 PM »
I feel there was little official communication anywhere on such speculations apart from the state of Ohio projecting that 100k people maybe already had it within their jurisdiction a few days ago. I mean the virus may have started doing the rounds in Europe as far back as January before the Chinese appraised how severe the issue was and started lockdown everything.

This seems likely.
Some places I read placed patient zero in November. With how contagious this stuff is I really feel the Chinese numbers are underreported considerably.
Probably quite a few people out there maybe in February in Italy had a cold that wasn't actually a cold.

And probably some excess deaths that weren't caught then.

Statistical curves being consistent in all of Europe with Wuhan seems to indicate that the Chinese numbers were largely truthful or representative, I'd say. Yeah I guess you can artificially lean on them by how many tests you do and how you qualify what counts as a COVID19 fatality but it would be hard to cover up hospitals getting swamped. Maybe I'm wrong... Further statistical studies will probably give us a better idea of how widespread the infection was and how many excess deaths happened overall deviating from the average.
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« Reply #2103 on: March 14, 2020, 07:54:16 PM »
I'm not saying cover-ups of people dying or hospital collapse. But that the true case count is significantly higher than recorded, based off consideration of how contagious this thing is and how the vast majority of cases would've gone under the radar.

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« Reply #2104 on: March 14, 2020, 07:55:24 PM »
Trump tested negative.  Maybe next time.

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« Reply #2105 on: March 14, 2020, 07:56:31 PM »
Mans a meme magician, everyone around him but him catching it would be the timeline's great joke  (or atleast among)

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« Reply #2106 on: March 14, 2020, 08:06:18 PM »

Everyone knows the Eurozone floats on Germany, The Netherlands and the Nordic countries.



Where does that Dutch sense of self-importance come from?
Surrendering to the Germans in 5 days? :heh

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« Reply #2107 on: March 14, 2020, 08:10:20 PM »
the dutch are lovers not fighters  ;)
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« Reply #2108 on: March 14, 2020, 08:12:28 PM »
Belgians are the superior Netherlands branch.
There I said it.
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« Reply #2109 on: March 14, 2020, 08:15:30 PM »
Belgians are the superior Netherlands branch.
There I said it.

Belgian food > Dutch food.

Once you had fries fried in beef tallow, you never want to go back. :lawd

Moules frites :delicious
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« Reply #2111 on: March 14, 2020, 08:38:34 PM »
Lmao the oconus mil world is pretty much pretending this isn’t completely all over every base.
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« Reply #2112 on: March 14, 2020, 08:39:46 PM »
The Italian CBC corrispondant made the 'WHO let the dogs out' joke on live air. 

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« Reply #2113 on: March 14, 2020, 09:08:25 PM »
Trump tested negative.  Maybe next time.

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« Reply #2114 on: March 14, 2020, 09:44:37 PM »
The UK's approach at the moment is basically to do nothing. The argument by the scientific experts in charge is that it may actually make things worse if you start social distancing measures too soon. This is proving quite controversial as you might imagine. lol

What's a bit depressing though is, after reading an article on The Atlantic, I have come to the conclusion that this strategy may actually be the right one. Because containing the spread of the virus might be futile.

The title of the article kind of says it all:

You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus
Most cases are not life-threatening, which is also what makes the virus a historic challenge to contain.
It's a good read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

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The Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch is exacting in his diction, even for an epidemiologist. Twice in our conversation he started to say something, then paused and said, “Actually, let me start again.” So it’s striking when one of the points he wanted to get exactly right was this: “I think the likely outcome is that it will ultimately not be containable.”

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Lipsitch predicts that within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, about 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

I'm hoping he is wrong, but it at least gives me some understanding of why we have chosen the strategy we have at the moment, i.e. do nothing(lol).

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« Reply #2115 on: March 14, 2020, 09:47:58 PM »
The UK's approach at the moment is basically to do nothing. The argument by the Scientific experts in charge is that it may actually make things worse, if you start social distancing measures too soon. This is proving quite controversial as you might imagine. lol

What's a bit depressing though is, after reading an article on The Atlantic, I have come to the conclusion that this strategy may actually be the right one. Because containing the spread of the virus might be futile.

The title of the article kind of says it all:

You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus
Most cases are not life-threatening, which is also what makes the virus a historic challenge to contain.
It's a good read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

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The Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch is exacting in his diction, even for an epidemiologist. Twice in our conversation he started to say something, then paused and said, “Actually, let me start again.” So it’s striking when one of the points he wanted to get exactly right was this: “I think the likely outcome is that it will ultimately not be containable.”

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Lipsitch predicts that within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, about 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

I'm hoping he is wrong, but it at least gives me some understanding of why we have chosen the strategy we have at the moment, i.e. do nothing(lol).

The point of social distancing is not to completely contain the spread of the virus, it's to slow it down in order to not completely overwhelm hospitals, like what's happened in Italy.

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« Reply #2116 on: March 14, 2020, 09:57:02 PM »
The UK's approach at the moment is basically to do nothing. The argument by the Scientific experts in charge is that it may actually make things worse, if you start social distancing measures too soon. This is proving quite controversial as you might imagine. lol

What's a bit depressing though is, after reading an article on The Atlantic, I have come to the conclusion that this strategy may actually be the right one. Because containing the spread of the virus might be futile.

The title of the article kind of says it all:

You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus
Most cases are not life-threatening, which is also what makes the virus a historic challenge to contain.
It's a good read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

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The Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch is exacting in his diction, even for an epidemiologist. Twice in our conversation he started to say something, then paused and said, “Actually, let me start again.” So it’s striking when one of the points he wanted to get exactly right was this: “I think the likely outcome is that it will ultimately not be containable.”

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Lipsitch predicts that within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, about 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

I'm hoping he is wrong, but it at least gives me some understanding of why we have chosen the strategy we have at the moment, i.e. do nothing(lol).

The point of social distancing is not to completely contain the spread of the virus, it's to slow it down in order to not completely overwhelm hospitals, like what's happened in Italy.

Okay. First that isn't the only argument being made at the moment for social distancing. Some want it because they believe it will save lives. Second point is, the argument made by the scientists who thought about this strategy is, at some point you have to return to normal activity, and the reality is, the peak of this outbreak is actually some months down the road. So you may have people returning to normal behaviour exactly when the virus is right at it's peak and you will get a massive spike of infection. In other words, it will make things worse because the timing was completely wrong.

Containment in itself is a problem because in many people it will present itself as very mild or completely symptomless. It's hard to contain when people don't even know they have it.


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« Reply #2117 on: March 14, 2020, 10:11:46 PM »
The UK's approach at the moment is basically to do nothing. The argument by the Scientific experts in charge is that it may actually make things worse, if you start social distancing measures too soon. This is proving quite controversial as you might imagine. lol

What's a bit depressing though is, after reading an article on The Atlantic, I have come to the conclusion that this strategy may actually be the right one. Because containing the spread of the virus might be futile.

The title of the article kind of says it all:

You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus
Most cases are not life-threatening, which is also what makes the virus a historic challenge to contain.
It's a good read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

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The Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch is exacting in his diction, even for an epidemiologist. Twice in our conversation he started to say something, then paused and said, “Actually, let me start again.” So it’s striking when one of the points he wanted to get exactly right was this: “I think the likely outcome is that it will ultimately not be containable.”

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Lipsitch predicts that within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, about 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

I'm hoping he is wrong, but it at least gives me some understanding of why we have chosen the strategy we have at the moment, i.e. do nothing(lol).

The point of social distancing is not to completely contain the spread of the virus, it's to slow it down in order to not completely overwhelm hospitals, like what's happened in Italy.

Okay. First that isn't the only argument being made at the moment for social distancing. Some want it because they believe it will save lives. Second point is, the argument made by the scientists who thought about this strategy is, at some point you have to return to normal activity, and the reality is, the peak of this outbreak is actually some months down the road. So you may have people returning to normal behaviour exactly when the virus is right at it's peak and you will get a massive spike of infection. In other words, it will make things worse because the timing was completely wrong.

Containment in itself is a problem because in many people it will present itself as very mild or completely symptomless. It's hard to contain when people don't even know they have it.

Slower spread -> hospitals can properly deal with the severe cases -> lives will be saved  ???

Quote from: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51892402
In an open letter, a group of 229 scientists from UK universities say the government's current approach will put the NHS under additional stress and "risk many more lives than necessary".

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« Reply #2118 on: March 14, 2020, 10:15:24 PM »
I see samir has met leadbelly
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« Reply #2119 on: March 14, 2020, 10:16:59 PM »
I endorse the UK government's accelerationism to eliminate the tyrannical NHS. :american

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« Reply #2120 on: March 14, 2020, 10:21:39 PM »
Quote from: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51892402
In an open letter, a group of 229 scientists from UK universities say the government's current approach will put the NHS under additional stress and "risk many more lives than necessary".

Yeah I read that article already. As I said it is proving controversial. The thing about that open letter though is this:

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In the open letter the group of scientists argue that stronger "social distancing measures" would "dramatically" slow the rate of growth of the disease in the UK, and would spare "thousands of lives".

The group, specialising in a range of disciplines, ranging from mathematics to genetics, though no leading experts in the science of the spread of diseases, said the current measures are "insufficient" and "additional and more restrictive measures should be taken immediately", as is happening in other countries.

So you have a bunch of scientists criticising the strategy, yet none of them are actually experts in that particular field. They're basically using their credentials as scientists to pass as some kind of authority on the matter, when it seems like they're not. And it is understandable because the strategy seems a little counter-intuitive. The idea of doing nothing, is obviously enough to cause alarm. In some sense though it is also not helpful.

I mean, I would like to think there are measures we could put in place right now to limit the deaths, but as I said, that Atlantic article at least gives me some understanding around this particular decision. And these are opinions from experts in that field.
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« Reply #2121 on: March 14, 2020, 10:23:22 PM »
I guess we'll just have to wait and see  :trumps

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« Reply #2122 on: March 14, 2020, 10:25:39 PM »
I don't know how the fuck my post appeared in the quote. lol

That happens some times and I can't for the life of me see what has gone wrong.

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« Reply #2124 on: March 14, 2020, 10:30:18 PM »
At this stage, anyone who is not an epidemiologist should probably shut the fuck up.
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« Reply #2125 on: March 14, 2020, 10:30:18 PM »
Why get a mortgage? Can't i just pay everything upfront? :brain :brain :brain

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« Reply #2126 on: March 14, 2020, 10:34:23 PM »
while i'll preface this with the usual boris is a knob and the tories are all alsatian fucking bumboys sentiment,  the UK's plan seems to be based on what people will actually do, rather than what you want them to do. something non-specialist health scientists wouldn't necessarily factor in.

i watched them present it and was clearly something that has been locked in a "break in case of pandemic" glass case for a while and i don't think any standing politician from any party would've had the bollocks to say no to it on the pretense that they know better.

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« Reply #2127 on: March 14, 2020, 10:35:27 PM »
Jack Nicas looks like a rat snitch.

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« Reply #2128 on: March 14, 2020, 11:03:36 PM »
I dont understand how the authorities can order restaurants to close but not teach us how to cook. Many of us will starve to death.
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« Reply #2129 on: March 14, 2020, 11:19:39 PM »
Part two:

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« Reply #2130 on: March 14, 2020, 11:21:50 PM »
Trump giving everyone in Europe 48 hour notice to get the fuck home is working out great

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« Reply #2131 on: March 14, 2020, 11:36:26 PM »
I'm not saying cover-ups of people dying or hospital collapse. But that the true case count is significantly higher than recorded, based off consideration of how contagious this thing is and how the vast majority of cases would've gone under the radar.

Actually I will mention: In the UK it was estimated the true count might be around 10,000 cases. There were 590 reported cases at the time.

That gives you idea of the difference between the cases that are reported and what is believed might be the real figure.


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« Reply #2133 on: March 14, 2020, 11:44:27 PM »
I popped into Walmart to buy some seasoning and saw that the entire aisle of soup had been wiped out. There are some nasty ass soups in that aisle. How hard up do you have to be to buy those? Imagine getting so desperate you buy the last cans of cilantro soup or generic tomato soup.

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« Reply #2134 on: March 15, 2020, 12:10:18 AM »
can't find it now but I saw something earlier saying that young and middle-aged ppl were getting the work too in France now

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« Reply #2135 on: March 15, 2020, 12:24:29 AM »
All my friends are out partying and bar crawling in packed bars tonight for St. Patrick's Day. Seems like that holiday in the USA will be the equivalent of the Lunar New Year that happened in China when they were around this stage. Wouldn't be surprised if this creates a lot more community spread here :(

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« Reply #2136 on: March 15, 2020, 12:35:06 AM »
I dont understand how the authorities can order restaurants to close but not teach us how to cook. Many of us will starve to death.

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« Reply #2138 on: March 15, 2020, 01:11:29 AM »
I popped into Walmart to buy some seasoning and saw that the entire aisle of soup had been wiped out. There are some nasty ass soups in that aisle. How hard up do you have to be to buy those? Imagine getting so desperate you buy the last cans of cilantro soup or generic tomato soup.

The walmart I went to earlier had plenty of veggies, some frozen stuff, and lots of dried beans, etc. Soups were gone except for some Progresso light veggie soups (which is perfect for me because that's what I wanted, a couple cans of chicken noodle would have been nice too) and this was the bread aisle...

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« Reply #2139 on: March 15, 2020, 01:20:22 AM »
I almost lost my store of frozen vegetables and some meat because my second fridge/freezer just died. Managed to transfer most things over, but it looks like we're eating fish fingers and popcorn chicken for dinner.
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« Reply #2140 on: March 15, 2020, 01:28:04 AM »
So when do events make you sign that they're not liable for potentially giving you the corona virus?  :thinking

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Trump's former pandemic guy basically saying that this shit don't work.

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« Reply #2142 on: March 15, 2020, 02:56:33 AM »
this shit is going to delay my autism diagnosis.
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« Reply #2143 on: March 15, 2020, 03:27:50 AM »
while i'll preface this with the usual boris is a knob and the tories are all alsatian fucking bumboys sentiment,  the UK's plan seems to be based on what people will actually do, rather than what you want them to do. something non-specialist health scientists wouldn't necessarily factor in.

i watched them present it and was clearly something that has been locked in a "break in case of pandemic" glass case for a while and i don't think any standing politician from any party would've had the bollocks to say no to it on the pretense that they know better.

This UK plan is penny wise but pound foolish.

The NHS is just going to be absolutely ate up with corona within 3 weeks with no end in sight.

Yeah, the crisis may end sooner, but you’ll have hundreds of thousands of deaths because of it.

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« Reply #2144 on: March 15, 2020, 04:47:17 AM »
can't find it now but I saw something earlier saying that young and middle-aged ppl were getting the work too in France now

Apparently half the cases in ICU are people under 60 as of yesterday. I guess that's what you're mentioning.
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« Reply #2145 on: March 15, 2020, 06:49:18 AM »
Went to vote, they had a bunch of pens that they clean on rotation and they put the booths facing a wall instead of having the curtain (that everyone would touch). Some doctors and healthcare workers are calling for people not to vote. The second round of the election might or might not be cancelled, rendering today's ballot invalid.

Bakery was open but the cops didn't seem to like they had tables out.

City to city transportation will be scaled down for the public.

The closure decree goes through to April 15th.
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« Reply #2146 on: March 15, 2020, 07:32:04 AM »
Reportedly some hospitals in the East of France are starting to get saturated. Not great.

Otherwise French authorities also project that half or two-thirds of the population will get it ultimately and that hopefully some herd immunity will emerge then. I say that because there's a lot of flack directed at the UK having a white paper along those lines informing their policies.
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« Reply #2147 on: March 15, 2020, 07:54:17 AM »
Just went to the supermarket.

Over 90% of these people wouldn't survive a real event that breaks the day to day supply chain.
They don't stock up items that could help them survive:
- Canned fruits
- Soup
- Bottled water
- Frozen meat
- Candles
- Salt
- Sugar etc.

Instead they buy mountains of toilet paper, 48 boxes of sprinkles and vegan cookies.
Also bad vibes towards me as I'm just casually browsing the shop as everyone else is running around in complete panic stuffing their carts with useless overpriced junk.

I told them the Chinese bio-weapon would come over soon enough, they didn't listen and now they all buy the wrong items.  :trumps

Now it's time for a shower to wash away all the germs these people might've carried instead of driving over to the next store to get the one sold out item. Survival 101 motherfuckers  :snob
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« Reply #2148 on: March 15, 2020, 07:58:25 AM »
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-and-us-wrestle-over-coronavirus-vaccine-report/a-52777990
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The governments of Germany and the United States are wrestling over the German-based company CureVac which is working on a vaccine for the novel coronavirus, reported German newspaper Welt am Sonntag.

The prominent German media outlet reported, citing unnamed sources, that US President Donald Trump was offering large sums of money to German scientists working on a vaccine. He wanted to secure exclusive rights to their work, the newspaper reported.

Trump was doing everything he could to secure a vaccine for the United States, "but only for the US," the newspaper quoted an anonymous German government source as saying.

Americans are really something else. Next level winner mentality, just buy success if you can't develop it.

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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2149 on: March 15, 2020, 08:12:25 AM »
Worst case scenario projection by scientists for France (including a British one, Neil Ferguson, that has been consulted by several euro countries) presented to Macron before his address this week : 300k to 500k deaths, 30k to 100k concurrent patients needing intensive care at peak. Officially there's a capacity of 5000 beds for reanimation and 7000 for ICU.

That's a guess in case no measures were taken and with the worst variables.

If those reports are accurate, you would imagine it's the same ballpark for Italy, Spain, Germany and the UK.
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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2150 on: March 15, 2020, 08:27:08 AM »
Worst case scenario projection by scientists for France (including a British one, Neil Ferguson, that has been consulted by several euro countries) presented to Macron before his address this week : 300k to 500k deaths, 30k to 100k concurrent patients needing intensive care at peak. Officially there's a capacity of 5000 beds for reanimation and 7000 for ICU.

That's a guess in case no measures were taken and with the worst variables.

If those reports are accurate, you would imagine it's the same ballpark for Italy, Spain, Germany and the UK.
The problem seems to be that the 'real' treatment in the worst cases requires a prolonged induced coma with a tube inserted into the lungs for roughly 14 days.
While other emergency treatments are often way shorter. (back when I had my first Asthma attack I needed a breathing apparatus for an afternoon and that was like a 10/10 in the scale of severity of asthma attacks.
However, a big percentage also has flu like issues for 3 - 5 days and is perfectly healthy after rest and quarantine.
The lock down is all about gaining some time to figure things out and hopefully reducing the spread but also reducing the need for other types of treatments (less car accidents, stabbings etc.)

The UK's idea of herd like immunity might either work or make it much worse killing off millions.
But without a vaccine there's not much else you can do but weather the storm and hope it gets better or do a total lock down.

Thank you good guy China for silencing the whistle blowers and allowing this to spread worldwide <(^_^)>
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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2151 on: March 15, 2020, 08:59:53 AM »
I guess doctors are saying not to use ibuprofen?  I havent seen an offical news story for this yet.

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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2152 on: March 15, 2020, 09:12:34 AM »
I guess doctors are saying not to use ibuprofen?  I havent seen an offical news story for this yet.

There's some confusion about that. There was a story doing the rounds that was fraudulently sourced to a Wien university. But the French Minister of Health did echo this a couple of days ago and asked people to be cautious, consult their physician and rather be using other families / molecules for low level self medication. Apparently some medical doctors suspect this family of medication might make the symptoms more acute and I've read third hand accounts that it's surmised on the ground in hospitals. I don't think there's any research proving or disproving it.
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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2153 on: March 15, 2020, 09:15:46 AM »
That's why the English left.
No, they very narrowly voted to leave because they were upset about free movement in the wake of austerity (and constant "EU bad" progaganda from the Murdoch press). When people feel (justly or not) that their own aren't taken care of, they get really ugly toward outsiders 'taking' things from them.

Germans will be happy though, cheap exports.
We're not going to turn into a net importer and you can't export shit to broke nations unless you want them hooked on German credit, which they should know to avoid by this point.

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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2154 on: March 15, 2020, 10:28:40 AM »
https://twitter.com/HardDriveMag/status/1239174643254276096

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BURLINGTON, Vt. — In the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, Senator Bernie Sanders has called on Nintendo to preemptively release the much-anticipated Animal Crossing: New Horizons.

“We must prepare for this disease in an unprecedented way,” Senator Sanders said at a press conference. “Gamers of all classes, both social and character, shouldn’t be forced to wait any longer for an adorable little game that is ready now. We deserve access immediately. People are suffering. It shouldn’t just be gaming journalists that have early access to what may be the best game out there.”

He went on to explain that this is not just a measure that would help those under quarantine.

“Working Americans are standing in long grocery lines, with hundreds of other bozos, being forced to listen to awful grocery store music such as Jason Mraz,” Senator Sanders continued. “The least we can do is give them a soothing game to play on handheld as they wait. President Trump must do the right thing and work with Nintendo to help working families get through this crisis.”

When asked to speak on Animal Crossing former Vice President Joe Biden said he trusts the developers to do what’s best for the game, adding “Boy that Tom Nook sure is a gumball in a marble vase! I like him!”

Experts have predicted upwards of one million Americans may die from coronavirus, prompting the CDC to praise Senator Sanders’ concerns. As of press time, CDC Director Robert Redfield released a statement recommending those with symptoms to make sure to play Animal Crossing: New Horizons before they pass away.
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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2155 on: March 15, 2020, 10:54:18 AM »

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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2156 on: March 15, 2020, 11:00:12 AM »
American Airlines just canceled every long distance international route but 3

Mom and her friends are in Brazil and just got informed the last flights out are tonight

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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2158 on: March 15, 2020, 11:20:28 AM »
Ontario just jumped up to 142 cases.  41 in 24 hours.

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Re: Corona Thread |OT| A lot of good things are going to happen.
« Reply #2159 on: March 15, 2020, 11:46:39 AM »
this shit is going to delay my autism diagnosis.

tbh i think u have ADHD :doge

I have an adhd diagnosis and it doesn't fit all my symptoms.
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