Corona Thread |OT| Nu variant, who dis?

[OnlyRegret]

italian newspaper comparison
https://dump.video/i/PgFtDR.mp4

[VomKriege]

Those UK projections (worst case ?) are similar to the one Le Monde mentioned for France, between 300k and 500k deaths...

Also I said it a number of times and I won't copy paste the long emails in French but basically supervisors in the hospitals of Eastern France are being grim : they're constantly reorganizing but any adjustement is rendered obsolete in the day by the escalation of cases. They've reached capacity for beds, supplies are getting hammered (despite one of the hospital having decent stocks, they're supposed to take in charge any issue that might arise for a nearby nuclear power plant). Emergencies are clogged by COVID related cases despite filtering aggressively all other causes. All of their deaths are COVID-related in the last day.

I'm afraid the number of deaths will start to ramp up pretty severely in the next week. I didn't check the exact timeline but basically we only maybe escalated to the level of Italian measures a couple of days early.

[BisMarckie]

Don't Speak

Please make quarantine playlist suggestions in the appropriate thread.

[VomKriege]

Also we learned that partially shutting down the economy and borders wasn't so hard after all. I'm afraid nationalists are going to coast on that fact soon enough.
 

[Himu]

italian newspaper comparison
https://dump.video/i/PgFtDR.mp4

holy fuck

[team filler]

[Bebpo]

I just told more of our employees to WFH and we are getting the distance thing working. Still have no idea how to handle our front desk for calls in (1980 phone system can't have calls be picked up off-site) and mail in (lots of checks and things coming in) and mail out (checks and stuff), so we still need a receptionist at least. So if they mandatory office closed/wfh we are gonna have issues, but otherwise I think everyone else can wfh and it'll work.

Our marketing is also a mass mailing campaign and need to use our commercial printer at work to print all the letters & envelopes and have someone stamp and mail them all. Not very wfh and drives a lot of business in, but may have to pause it I guess.


I saw in our county (OC) on Friday they finally released some numbers after the lack of transparency. As of Thursday only 124 people tested in the county total (3.19 million population), and 13 positives including 1 community spread, 1,100 test kits total available.
So basically we have no idea how many people, how spread out it is, who has it, in our community right now because they're not testing hardly anyone!

And everyone was out at packed bars and clubs last night and now newsom closes the bars/clubs -_-

Better than nothing, but we're always behind the bar on this stuff and being reactive instead of proactive. It'll help but we definitely could've saved a lot more lives by doing more sooner.

[Leadbelly]

Also, the original hosts of the virus is likely bats. Fucking bats! I mean for fuck sake.

[VomKriege]

I don't think testing at this stage can offer more than a representative sample... That said, the US authorities really messed it up with keeping up at what should have been appropriate efforts on that front.

[Madrun Badrun]

Just heard this hits diabetics particullary hard.  Well fuck. 

[Madrun Badrun]

Alberta is announcing community spread

[Leadbelly]

thing has been propagating for months, no way all those famous people caught it and somehow missed loads of people in between
though, thanksgiving is a bit too far back given the thing has likely been spreading en masse in late 2019 in china

The whole economy is going to fall apart and Republicans will pass a tax cut and hope for the best

a great happening is upon, socialism or barbarism here we go

I read that the earliest known case was traced back to November. And that might not even be the earliest case, only that it is the earliest known case.
https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html

[nachobro]

only 17 cases here so far, seems okay considering we have drive thru and free testing now

[Leadbelly]

only 17 cases here so far, seems okay considering we have drive thru and free testing now

lol

[VomKriege]

Internet brimming with rumors of Paris placed into curfew soon. Often come in semi-bullshit package of an Uncle working at Nintendo but it's probably coming either way.

[Madrun Badrun]

Alberta - 'we have community spread, but its imperative we keep buisness open as much as possible becuse oil just tanked.'  SMH

[Madrun Badrun]

You have a lossed lipped uncle that works at Nintento?  Lucky.

[VomKriege]

You have a lossed lipped uncle that works at Nintento?  Lucky.

Apparently lots of people on the Internet know someone who knows a lawyer/banker/public servant/army officer...

[Bebpo]

Just heard this hits diabetics particullary hard.  Well fuck.

Alberta is announcing community spread

Stay safe Madrun.

[Bebpo]

There are cities in the US that have implemented curfews and NYC is considering doing it in the next couple of days, wouldn't be surprising that Paris would

What cities in the US are doing a curfew?

Also what cities are doing drive-thru testing? I hope they do that in my city, cause I'd like friends/family to be able to get tested without risk if they need to. Most of my family and myself included, are afraid of going to doctors offices right now and delaying follow ups for other non-life threatening stuff, because of the risk.

[bluemax]

One of my local Ralph's announced they are closing at 8pm to restock and reopening at 8am. Hopefully food and supply situations normalize a bit this next week.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1239293512019062785

[Leadbelly]

I was thinking actually... If the true figure of people infected with the coronavirus is almost certainly considerably higher than the reported figure, then perhaps the mortality rate is also off and is actually considerably lower than reported. My reasoning behind this is, it seems to me that the reported deaths would be much more accurate than reported cases. Mainly because you would imagine that anyone severely ill would be tested and/or a cause of death would be ascertained.

[Don Rumata]

Internet brimming with rumors of Paris placed into curfew soon. Often come in semi-bullshit package of an Uncle working at Nintendo but it's probably coming either way.

Unless you subscribe to the English model, what is the point of not starting with it as soon as possible?
The sooner you can get people contained, the most effective the infection slow down will be.
Unless you're just hoping it won't hit your area as bad, but you'd be delusional to think so, when you're not some remote island only reachable by seaplane.

italian newspaper comparison
https://dump.video/i/PgFtDR.mp4

So basically a 10x increase in obituaries.

[VomKriege]

I was thinking actually... If the true figure of people infected with the coronavirus is almost certainly considerably higher than the reported figure, then perhaps the mortality rate is also off and is actually considerably lower than reported. My reasoning behind this is, it seems to me that the reported deaths would be much more accurate than reported cases. Mainly because you would imagine that anyone severely ill would be tested and/or a cause of death would be ascertained.

Yes. Most certainly. Sadly the exact mortality rate is a bit of an academic consideration at this point, Euro hospitals are getting hammered as is.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1239331517916217345

If Sports league follow this, that means at least no games until mid May.

[VomKriege]

Internet brimming with rumors of Paris placed into curfew soon. Often come in semi-bullshit package of an Uncle working at Nintendo but it's probably coming either way.

Unless you subscribe to the English model, what is the point of not starting with it as soon as possible?
The sooner you can get people contained, the most effective the infection slow down will be.
Unless you're just hoping it won't hit your area as bad, but you'd be delusional to think so, when you're not some remote island only reachable by seaplane.

To be honest, I (and many others) have treated it too lightly. I agree with you. I don't know if the French authorities are entirely reactive or if they're boiling the frog a bit but we went to Macron's address on Thursday closing schools to a possible curfew and stricter lockdown (rumors of one person per household being allowed to go shopping food, basically) on four days... With the somewhat contradictory decision to keep elections for mayor's today on.

In retrospect they should maybe have had just gone maximum on Thursday but heh...

I guess that's it until April 15, at the very least.

[Leadbelly]

I was thinking actually... If the true figure of people infected with the coronavirus is almost certainly considerably higher than the reported figure, then perhaps the mortality rate is also off and is actually considerably lower than reported. My reasoning behind this is, it seems to me that the reported deaths would be much more accurate than reported cases. Mainly because you would imagine that anyone severely ill would be tested and/or a cause of death would be ascertained.

Yes. Most certainly. Sadly the exact mortality rate is a bit of an academic consideration at this point, Euro hospitals are getting hammered as is.

Yeah. It doesn't change the fact that thousands of people are going to die. One thing it does emphasise though is that your chances dying from it is pretty low.

[EchoRin]

Damn. I guess the NBA and NHL will have to immediately go into playoffs mode. Perhaps even a limited version of cutting down the number of rounds instead of just making series best of 5. And to make playoffs fair make it so the records are those of equal games, they should go to every teams respective record to be the... o m g.

Simply put if one team in the league has only played 69 games, then teams that have played 70 or 71 will all be reverted to their record when they only played 69 games. There!

[Leadbelly]

I will say though, the one thing that Atlantic article pointed out was, the fact that it is mild or asymptomatic in most people is exactly the reason it is so dangerous. And that is interesting in itself. It is able to kill so many people exactly because it is able to spread through so many people. Viruses with a much higher mortality rate only seem to kill people in the hundreds worldwide in contrast. That is because killing the host so quickly means it doesn't have a chance to spread. The coronavirus seems to have the right balance to potentially kill hundreds of thousands of people.

[OnlyRegret]

I was thinking actually... If the true figure of people infected with the coronavirus is almost certainly considerably higher than the reported figure, then perhaps the mortality rate is also off and is actually considerably lower than reported. My reasoning behind this is, it seems to me that the reported deaths would be much more accurate than reported cases. Mainly because you would imagine that anyone severely ill would be tested and/or a cause of death would be ascertained.

Hence why the Diamond Princess represents an excellent source of study.
A ship packed with people, average age ~70, turned into a virus city and loads of people tested and monitored.

[OnlyRegret]

On that note, latest update.
Total cases: 696
Recovered: 456
Deaths: 7
Active: 233
Serious: 15

Recovery:Death is 98.5/1.5
Current serious is 6.4% of cases

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/VitalVegas/status/1239330426948214784

[Nintex]

In between the lines a Dutch report said that if schools would be closed, they would be closed until the summer holidays (which would be June/July).
Next week will see production halted of everything but the most essential things like food, power, medicine and such.

I don't think people quite understand what it means when (air) travel is suspended globally and everyone is locked in their homes.
Existing work can be finished from home sure, but how to get new clients and jobs and who would risk investing 'anything' or signing any contracts?
There's also the health issues. From the minor ones (not being able to see a dentist when a tooth breaks) to the big ones (no ICU for a heart attack) or no immediate mental care for those in need.
Expect a rise in suicides from already depressed people locked up in their homes for weeks as well as a rise in deaths from this virus.

With the way this has been going I fully expect we've all been told to remain indoors with a curfew imposed next weekend across Europe and the United States.
Countries in Europe such as Germany and the Netherlands have also recalled all their troops from overseas operations and positions.

The only thing that could work at this point is a universal basic income of sorts.
The interests rates are 0 and most economies run on credit so no one really has any savings beyond a month or so and that includes businesses.
So unless businesses don't have to pay their employees wages or taxes during the lock down a lot are going under.

[OnlyRegret]

people tracker

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_coronavirus_disease_2019

didn't know Olga got it
https://www.rt.com/news/483199-kurylenko-bond-coronavirus-actress/

[Leadbelly]

I was thinking actually... If the true figure of people infected with the coronavirus is almost certainly considerably higher than the reported figure, then perhaps the mortality rate is also off and is actually considerably lower than reported. My reasoning behind this is, it seems to me that the reported deaths would be much more accurate than reported cases. Mainly because you would imagine that anyone severely ill would be tested and/or a cause of death would be ascertained.

Hence why the Diamond Princess represents an excellent source of study.
A ship packed with people, average age ~70, turned into a virus city and loads of people tested and monitored.

Yeah, but if the average age is 70 it wouldn't be an accurate reflection of the population. It would give some idea how the elderly fare though.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/CHellerTVNews/status/1239345591714344960

Soon ACAI

(all cops are infected)

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/UnaHajdari/status/1239277840232841217

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/UnaHajdari/status/1239277840232841217

China be like

[bork]

Worked over the weekend (four hours each day)- they were concerned that the increase in people working remotely meant more help was needed.  It was pretty much dead, lol.  So dead today that after going two hours without having done anything, my boss told me I could sign off for the day if I wanted...but I ended up staying on because two more hours of overtime pay for doing very little was pretty awesome.

Now they're sending emails out encouraging people in our main office to work remotely and thinking again that it's going to be a panic.  Was told we're all going to have to work an hour later than usual and to let them know if we can work more past that.  I need some fuckin' rest here. 

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/Prof__Marvel/status/1239060530905653248

[Madrun Badrun]

Work is locking doors after monday.  I expect the university will follow soon.

[OnlyRegret]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/marty-makary-on-coronavirus-in-the-us-183558545.html

need a word for mega exponential growth

[shosta]

They will, within the week IMO.

https://twitter.com/timjhogan/status/1239357645389250561

Alright... you win.

[bluemax]

I have been wondering if California was gonna do anything about the homeless. There are tents and tent cities all over the place in my neighborhood. It's gonna be real bad for all of these unfortunate people.

[shosta]

https://twitter.com/ABC7Jory/status/1239298581305020417

wow, looks like we had the ability to do this the whole time. dats so crazy d00d who woulda thunk

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1239337542161518595

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-confirms-that-donald-trump-tried-to-buy-firm-working-on-coronavirus-vaccine/amp/

I really hope Trump dies.

[BisMarckie]

I really hope Trump dies.

Shosta doesn't because he is greedy.

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/CHellerTVNews/status/1239345591714344960

Soon ACAI

(all cops are infected)

Guess I need to update my tag.

[BisMarckie]

Looking forward to having to kill a man for securing the last pack of diapers tomorrow.
I will not switch to cloth diapers even if I have to kill more people.

[shosta]

Shosta doesn't because he is greedy.

He can die after the 1st.

[BisMarckie]

Shosta doesn't because he is greedy.

He can die after the 1st.

I would never take part in such unethical bets.


btw. James how are our Vegas stonks doing now that they are all closing?

[james]

Shosta doesn't because he is greedy.

He can die after the 1st.

I would never take part in such unethical bets.


btw. James how are our Vegas stonks doing now that they are all closing?

I'll be able to check around noon tomorrow

[nachobro]

went to the store to get cat food...people are still out of control but at least there was toilet paper. also got chocodiles cause they will last far beyond any length of quarantine and were on sale.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1239386847253430273

[Bebpo]

So the bars around me are posting on their twitter/emails that "we understand the situation is fluid....but we need the money so we're gonna stay open until police come and shut us down. We'll be careful about Covid19"

Get the feeling there's gonna be a lot of places doing that. Will be interesting to see if they actually go around shutting places down.

[Don Rumata]

ICU units coordinator (sorry quick translation):
"Between a 3rd and a 4th of people that goes to the hospital [for Covid] has to go into ICU, even the young do".
"This is a sanitary catastrophy, a contagion that resembles the Spanish Flu"
"Mortality not being high isn't true, lethality is low (individual probability of dying if infected, around 3%); But the infected could be 35% of Italians, let's round to a 3rd, 20 millions Italians, if the 3% of 20 millions dies, you do the math, it's 600.000 dead... that's the dead from WWI"
 

Then the reanimation nurse (5:11), getting angry with the people around the country/planet not taking this seriously, as he has to see people die and intubate them when their lungs fail, kind of got to me. 

I'm starting to get nervous, lads. 

The math on mortality i still find dubious, because Chinese numbers on age groups are pretty clearly no evenly spread across age, but still, it's obvious that saniraty systems getting cripples is pretty devastating on multiple levels.

[Leadbelly]

[G The Resurrected]

So this is how prohibition really started?

Someone earlier said they were shocked we could do something about the homelessness issue here in California. We could only really do something about it with the emergency declaration and the funds being freed up, otherwise it would just be blocked in bureaucratic bullshit and never get done.