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« Reply #9600 on: June 29, 2020, 07:15:23 PM »
US is at +44,235 today.  Last Monday was +31,514 and +20,889 was Monday two weeks ago.  These half measure lockdowns won't do much and it will take a while before they change the curve.  You guys are in real trouble. 

Canada had a really bad day with +668 new cases and +44 deaths.  That is almost triple new cases that we have been having and looks like 3 weeks ago. 
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« Reply #9601 on: June 29, 2020, 07:27:08 PM »
Even the states that got hit early and are looking "good" now haven't suppressed it to the same level as EU countries, much less Asian ones.

Meanwhile the Sun Belt continues to explode. GA/TN/AL haven't spiked as hard as AZ/TX/FL yet, but they're all trending up and we've seen this shit get out of hand quickly before.

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« Reply #9602 on: June 29, 2020, 07:30:11 PM »
I don't see how this is going to end without a second shutdown and locking regional travel and that is going to go really badly. 


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« Reply #9607 on: June 29, 2020, 10:16:03 PM »
Seems like all bars should be closed.  You hate to single out any single enterprise, but it’s the one most rife with careless customers, workers and owners.
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« Reply #9608 on: June 29, 2020, 10:19:53 PM »
I don't understand why my homeland has such a blatant death wish. :snoop
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« Reply #9609 on: June 29, 2020, 11:28:43 PM »
Seems like all bars should be closed.  You hate to single out any single enterprise, but it’s the one most rife with careless customers, workers and owners.

Shit makes me so sad, I have such a love for the American dive bar and the communities that sprout up around them

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« Reply #9611 on: June 30, 2020, 12:46:25 AM »
What the fuck are Europe, Canada, Japan, and Korea doing to kill this versus America and why are local governments not copying them?
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« Reply #9612 on: June 30, 2020, 12:54:22 AM »
Caring about people? Or rather, having enough of their populace care about people

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« Reply #9613 on: June 30, 2020, 01:13:43 AM »
We’re a population of cats and you can’t tell us what to do. If we had a leadership that was more bold in enforcing mask wearing and contact tracing for those that do get infected, then we’d see similar results. I feel that it’s really that simple.

We’re going to have to lose half a million people (or more) until we get to that point though. People are numb to death in this country and/or the “muh freedoms” crowd holds too much political sway in an election year.

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« Reply #9614 on: June 30, 2020, 01:17:10 AM »
Pretty frustrating hearing these governors pull back on the shutdowns then chide people for being reckless.

People took their cues from your actions as government leaders and not from the fine print disclaimers about social distancing? No shit! If you tell people they can go to bars, they're going to go to bars.

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« Reply #9615 on: June 30, 2020, 01:27:36 AM »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1277507826529660928

Chud Musk said we would be at 0 cases by the end of April so he can shut the fuck up with his shitty knowledge of science.

Seems like all bars should be closed.  You hate to single out any single enterprise, but it’s the one most rife with careless customers, workers and owners.

The bar thing in LA County is so misleading as well. Because it only applies to places that serve alcohol only. So if your bar has a kitchen, its exempt from this shut down!

I was saddened to see my local burrito place that I've been going to every Friday had setup an outdoor table today. And there were 3 men sitting at it at lunch time, no masks. That's the end of my Friday nachos for a few weeks.

Oh and on the subject of the beaches, the Sheriff said he isn't going to enforce it on beaches, only parking lots. He had the audacity to say "CARE NOT JAILS". Meanwhile they're murdering people.

Pretty frustrating hearing these governors pull back on the shutdowns then chide people for being reckless.

People took their cues from your actions as government leaders and not from the fine print disclaimers about social distancing? No shit! If you tell people they can go to bars, they're going to go to bars.

I think on Friday Mayor Garcetti had a tweet about how we should all remember the virus is still here etc, and people in the replies were just shitting on him for the fact that earlier in the day they announced more reopenings or whatever. It's fucking nuts.

https://twitter.com/MayorOfLA/status/1276674125612740608 the replies are amazing.

And then two days later:

https://twitter.com/MayorOfLA/status/1277338968149749761

Fucking amateur hour.


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« Reply #9616 on: June 30, 2020, 01:41:27 AM »
Why are Americans distinguished mentally-challenged? Is it because of the Pilgrims?
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« Reply #9617 on: June 30, 2020, 01:43:56 AM »
Why are Americans distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed? Is it because of the Pilgrims?

It's definitely something deep rooted and systemic. But I suppose when you look back to the people who started this country, I would say yeah, the roots probably go that far back.
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« Reply #9618 on: June 30, 2020, 01:44:09 AM »
comfort makes us soft. hardship is what builds character.
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« Reply #9619 on: June 30, 2020, 01:53:25 AM »
comfort makes us soft. hardship is what builds character.

And Canada, Europe, and Asia don't have comfort?
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« Reply #9620 on: June 30, 2020, 01:56:53 AM »
yeah maybe we just suck
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« Reply #9621 on: June 30, 2020, 02:02:03 AM »
What I say about America when this shit started, huh? What I say?!
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« Reply #9622 on: June 30, 2020, 02:05:43 AM »
Rugged individualism is pretty effective when settling land, pretty shitty when faced with a pandemic.

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« Reply #9623 on: June 30, 2020, 04:17:56 AM »
I read it in the voice of Kaz Miller 10/10 post
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« Reply #9624 on: June 30, 2020, 07:49:00 AM »
I don't buy the American personal independence argument and think it's more just American exceptionalism.  What has happened is you have a very fractured political climate and turned a pandemic into a political issue.  You don't need to go back to the founding fathers to explain this. 

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« Reply #9625 on: June 30, 2020, 08:08:46 AM »
Some of it, too, is the almost total vacuum of leadership at the federal level. Trump is dithering idiot who can't focus for more than two seconds and only cares about positive economic numbers and rally crowds and the GOP is a flailing mess that would rather kill everyone in the country than do anything that might remotely be construed as "socialism" or at least beneficial to Democrats in the election. Democrats in general have handled things a bit better, but mayors and governors are hobbled without robust federal aid.
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« Reply #9626 on: June 30, 2020, 08:14:43 AM »
agree it's both of the above points in addition to the shit state of our healthcare being for profit.

this doesn't go against our fiber, it's just people not caring about the greater good or being driven there by leadership...look at FDR in WW2. There were riots/protests etc, but pretty sure nothing on mess we have now, although we didn't have 24-hour news or social media echo chambers back then. which would be yet another factor in this.

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« Reply #9627 on: June 30, 2020, 08:44:03 AM »
About a month ago, Poland opened up fitness clubs, cinemas, theatres, operas, amusement parks, etc and lifted limits on seating in restaurants. I think much of this was wrong, nevertheless masks are still mandatory in public transport and indoors if social distancing cannot be observed. How many new cases today for Poland (which is about twice the size of Florida): 239 (down from 599 on June 8th).

As far as I know, Japan never mandated mask wearing in public, but almost all Japanese people do so anyway. There are other countries which have successfully fought COVID that haven't made it mandatory (at least nationally), Australia, Greece, New Zealand, Canada (Canada was anti-mask for at least a month). That said, you can't expect all Americans to do the right thing (though the CDC was also anti-mask). To state the obvious, the US cannot open up its economy without making masks mandatory indoors in every fucking county.



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« Reply #9628 on: June 30, 2020, 09:05:31 AM »
And Canada is slowly moving to mandatory masks in a few areas.  Public transport in Toronto and Montreal is about to require maks, and a bunch of mayors in the GTA tried to punt the decision of making masks mandatory for Ontario to Ford (who declinded, leaving it to the mayors).

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« Reply #9630 on: June 30, 2020, 09:19:46 AM »
I'd stop posting Ontario numbers cause only F-Boy and I care, but what is going on in the US is abnormal, so I kind of feel like a missionary bringing the Truth to you savages down south.  It's a hard job and one I don't expect to be rewarded for in this lifetime. 

Also, Florida is 5,266, on a Monday which is generally their low days with a positivity rate of 16%.  Last Monday it was 2,926.

Also also, just looking at headlines, seems like the rest of the American airlines have announced they are stopping social distancing.  Also, virus drugs might cost people a few thousand dollars. 

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« Reply #9631 on: June 30, 2020, 09:45:20 AM »
I don't buy the American personal independence argument and think it's more just American exceptionalism.  What has happened is you have a very fractured political climate and turned a pandemic into a political issue.  You don't need to go back to the founding fathers to explain this. 

I don't think it's American exceptionalism to acknowledge that there is a strong identity in this country that has been fostered over many decades and then became a culture. Which was then seized upon by conservatives in the latter part of the century to elect populist candidates.

The Frontier Thesis was formulated in the late 1800's, taught in most schools and colleges for the early part of the following century and then was mythologized in pop culture as we came out of WWII. So, you still have people from rural Oklahoma, suburban Missouri (and many more places) that carry this as their identity as an American even though they didn't live it.

You can also see a little bit of that culture in the 1918 epidemic. Almost all the US cities that made masking mandatory (with stiff fines/jail if you disobeyed) were Western cities. I think it speaks to combating the mentality.


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« Reply #9632 on: June 30, 2020, 09:51:18 AM »
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-mayor-will-support-bylaw-making-it-mandatory-to-wear-a-mask-while-indoors-1.5005358

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Tory says that the bylaw will take effect on July 7, provided that it is approved by members of city council later today.

The announcement comes as Peel Region gets set to announce its own bylaw making it mandatory for residents to wear face masks.

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« Reply #9633 on: June 30, 2020, 09:56:48 AM »
The anti-mask crowd are a bunch of bootlickers that would have been the first to put on masks had Trump wanted it and said the Democrats didn't.  It doesn't come from some innate characteristic about individualism.  Yes the right has seized on individualism mythology as propaganda but that doesn't make it real. 

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« Reply #9634 on: June 30, 2020, 09:58:07 AM »
I think it‘s way too simplistic to divide anti-mask.and pro-mask crowds alongside party lines.

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« Reply #9635 on: June 30, 2020, 10:01:40 AM »
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020/06/30/council-agrees-to-start-lifting-travel-restrictions-for-residents-of-some-third-countries/

EU lifting travel restrictions for the following countries:

Algeria
Australia
Canada
China subject to confirmation of reciprocity
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« Reply #9636 on: June 30, 2020, 10:11:10 AM »
I think it‘s way too simplistic to divide anti-mask.and pro-mask crowds alongside party lines.

That's not exactly what I was saying, I was giving a hypothetical where the most vocal anti-maskers would wear masks, as a counter to the idea that it is just in their character not to.  I had poor wording.  Of course, it doesn't split right into party lines. However, polling shows Democrats are far more likely to wear masks and support mask requirements.   And much more importantly, the leadership on masks and other pandemic responses is mostly divided by party lines.  My main point is that I think the fact that you can't have party agreement on a pandemic response is what explains the poor response and you do not need to resort to rugged frontier living or the American revolution or whatever to explain it.  The idea that American's were never going to wear masks because of America is pretty silly. 

Remember this idea started as 'Westerners would never wear masks' and that was disproven.  To say that it is still true just for American's because of individualistic culture is still just to buy into the propaganda. 
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« Reply #9637 on: June 30, 2020, 10:38:18 AM »
Silly, scary, likely true!

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« Reply #9639 on: June 30, 2020, 11:24:07 AM »
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« Reply #9641 on: June 30, 2020, 11:25:16 AM »
Maybe america was the real corona virus all along :ohhh
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« Reply #9643 on: June 30, 2020, 11:58:18 AM »
Really we've had a science and particularly medicine skeptic current in our culture forever. Not really surprising that the antivaxx crowd is having their moment right now. I remember growing thinking we were the only country in the core that debated whether evolution was real. I'm sure we're still having that debate now. Squatter mentality, fundamentalism and small business tyranny dovetail in a certain way here that makes any collective action on issues that need buy in impossible. Remember masks are communism.

I'm curious what you mean by "small business tyranny"... I do know that those people who tend to be SBOs around here also are more in line with Trump because they see the Dems as a party of unnecessary regulations and high business taxes.
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« Reply #9645 on: June 30, 2020, 12:12:57 PM »
Anybody here can explain to me exactly what the deal is with Sweden? I looked at a few articles and the wikipedia of COVID-19 in Sweden over the weekend and was surprised that nothing about their strategy deals with "well if we don't do anything we will have herd immunity". Instead I learned that "well the constitution tells we can't use a country wide quarantine and besides our citizens would not stand for it."

This left me rather  ??? Really? In that case it seems like Sweden is failing big time and not helping their citizens much at all compared to other European countries. I don't get it. Am I having a completely wrong read on Sweden? To me it looks like their government has done a much poorer job than anyone else on that continent.

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« Reply #9646 on: June 30, 2020, 12:18:53 PM »
I don't get Sweden either.  As someone who identifies as a Norwegian without any reason to other than eating Flatbrød at xmas, this hits my Scandy-pride.  But I hear through the grape-vine-we-call-the-internet that the Norwegians and Swedes have a rivalry, so maybe this should just boost my Wegy-pride. 

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« Reply #9647 on: June 30, 2020, 12:26:14 PM »
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Ottawa plans to extend the sweeping travel ban that bars entry to all travellers who are not Canadian citizens, permanent residents or Americans [only essential] for at least another month.

The order, which was set to expire tonight, "has been extended until July 31 for public health reasons," Rebecca Purdy, spokesperson for the Canada Border Services Agency, said in a statement to CBC News.

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« Reply #9648 on: June 30, 2020, 12:27:44 PM »
Lmao

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It's local politics rearing its head. The previous sheriff had the backing of the current L.A. County Supervisors (think of them as the city council for a large city, but there's no mayor that they have to share power with). And Alex Villanueva got elected on a platform that was supposedly progressive (Denying ICE admittance to the county jails, etc) from the previous sheriff (Jim McDonnell). The position is also officially non partisan, but Villanueva or his supporters also ran it as a Democrat (Villanueva) vs. Republican (McDonnell). Villanueva's actual tenure been more conservative than McDonnell mostly because McDonnell was way more open on doing police reform than Villanueva seems to be currently. Villanueva will also try to fight any oversight the county supervisors will try to enact over him including investigations into the recent killing of a 18 year security guard a week or two ago in the city of Gardena.

Anyway, Villanueva and the County Supervisor still have a contentious relationship, and the county just passed a budget that took away at least $100 million from the L.A. County Police Department. So Villanueva's taking his pot shots when he can.

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« Reply #9650 on: June 30, 2020, 01:41:42 PM »
some people still like cd's, okay?!!?
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« Reply #9651 on: June 30, 2020, 02:28:57 PM »
My mom got tested for COVID-19 on Monday because she had a slight fever and other symptoms.
Just now she got the call with results. No Corona and her temperature has normalized again :whew
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« Reply #9652 on: June 30, 2020, 02:29:57 PM »
Momma Nintex  :rejoice
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« Reply #9653 on: June 30, 2020, 02:40:04 PM »
lol
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« Reply #9654 on: June 30, 2020, 02:50:17 PM »
I was confused until I saw the date it was tweeted then I lol'd.

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« Reply #9655 on: June 30, 2020, 02:50:56 PM »
same
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« Reply #9656 on: June 30, 2020, 02:50:58 PM »
It was a dumb tweet even back then!
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« Reply #9657 on: June 30, 2020, 03:24:35 PM »
some people still like cd's, okay?!!?

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« Reply #9658 on: June 30, 2020, 03:27:20 PM »
*notices bulging coronavirus numbers* OwO what's this?
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« Reply #9659 on: June 30, 2020, 03:46:56 PM »
Anybody here can explain to me exactly what the deal is with Sweden? I looked at a few articles and the wikipedia of COVID-19 in Sweden over the weekend and was surprised that nothing about their strategy deals with "well if we don't do anything we will have herd immunity". Instead I learned that "well the constitution tells we can't use a country wide quarantine and besides our citizens would not stand for it."

This left me rather  ??? Really? In that case it seems like Sweden is failing big time and not helping their citizens much at all compared to other European countries. I don't get it. Am I having a completely wrong read on Sweden? To me it looks like their government has done a much poorer job than anyone else on that continent.

This is accurate. We don't have any mandate in our constitution to do any national lockdown (in peacetime) as other european countries did. Initially, the response was very tentative, but at the same time when our neighbouring countries locked down, Sweden did put some restrictions into place, mostly regarding maximum attendance for public events and generally with a focus on protecting high-risk groups. A legal provision was made to enable the government to close all schools, but it was never used; instead only grades 10 through 12 and universities were closed and told to shift to remote teaching in mid-March.

After this, a lot of the mitigation for the spread has been based on voluntary actions by the population, in combination with strong recommendations (basically orders) for public places like restaurants. All government-owned museums have been closed and remain so for the time being. The Stockholm region had a fairly fast community spread, peaking in mid-to-late April. This also included a comprehensive spread into senior citizens' homes in the region, leading to a very high death rate (certainly higher than expected). The region's ICU capacity was at the very limit for a period of a couple of weeks, although a temporary ICU hospital was never brought online.

The biggest clusterfuck of the Swedish response has been the testing, which is really the only part of the "strategy" that has been the responsibility of the national and regional governments (the rest of the strategy and recommendations has entirely come from the apolitical Department of Public Health). The stated target was to scale up to test 100k people per week by mid-May, but this has been a colossal failure by means of miscommunication and blame gaming between regional coordinators. This month, after additional funding was provided by the national government, testing numbers are finally increasing. Last week, 74 076 people were tested, which is still only 3/4 of the goal that was supposed to be reached over a month ago. With the increased testing, we've also seen an increase in new cases reported, but these are to a very large extent mild cases because these weren't even registered before (only symptomatic people being admitted to hospitals were tested prior to this). So, our case numbers have seen a spike, but ICU admittal numbers and, crucially, death rates, are steadily coming down.

We'll see what the summer months will bring. There is still a general recommendation against traveling abroad, even to reopened countries, and most of the reopening countries are also making an exception by blocking Swedish travelers. All major amusement parks and concert venues are closed for the whole summer, so most big gatherings are still out of the picture. The national soccer league has restarted but are playing for empty stands.
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