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Title: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on August 28, 2008, 09:44:24 PM
What book(s) are you reading?

Right now I'm reading this:

(http://en.epochtimes.com/news_images/2004-8-2-2004-8-2-1421-cover.jpg)

I'm not sure how true it is, but it's a nice story.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2008, 09:47:05 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31ED3F1GGRL._SS500_.jpg)
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Post by: CajoleJuice on August 28, 2008, 09:52:06 PM
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Pretty cool so far, but definitely much different than Blade Runner.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2008, 09:53:44 PM
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Pretty cool so far, but definitely much different than Blade Runner.
:bow

Great great book.

I'm reading

The Club Dumas
and i'm re-reading A Storm of Swords :bow

A DANCE WITH DRAGONS 2009 :bow :bow :bow
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Post by: muckhole on August 28, 2008, 09:55:48 PM
FINALLY got around to reading Old Man's War, I'm about half way through my reading has taken quite a hit with my obsessive DS playing as of late.

Finished up The Road a few weeks ago which was better than I expected as well.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on August 28, 2008, 09:56:16 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41exhwIWPlL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71E8C558HYL._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.gif)
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 28, 2008, 10:03:46 PM
Well I was reading The Road last week and finished it yesterday.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2008, 10:05:42 PM
MAF: how's that alice book?

i'm gonna make sure i read the road before the movie comes out
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Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on August 28, 2008, 10:07:49 PM
Homicide by David Simon (The Wire)
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Post by: Robo on August 28, 2008, 10:15:33 PM
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Pretty cool so far, but definitely much different than Blade Runner.

I'm actually reading this right now too.  WEIRD
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on August 28, 2008, 10:16:31 PM
Androids is one of my favorite books. Make sure you read A Scanner Darkly + Ubik also, PKD's two other best works.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tauntaun on August 28, 2008, 10:17:57 PM
Joe, Battle Royal is a great book, my sister got that for me for my last birthday.  Right now I'm reading:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bY6UNAnGL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
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Post by: Rman on August 28, 2008, 10:18:11 PM
I'm still reading No Logo.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on August 28, 2008, 10:20:48 PM
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Pretty cool so far, but definitely much different than Blade Runner.

I'm actually reading this right now too.  WEIRD

Dude what the fuck, we're on the same wavelength today.

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Androids is one of my favorite books. Make sure you read A Scanner Darkly + Ubik also, PKD's two other best works.

I have his Four Novels of the 1960's collection (the coolest book I own), which also has Ubik. It's the last one, and I will read it next. I loved Man in the High Castle and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, the first two novels.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on August 28, 2008, 10:21:54 PM
Androids is one of my favorite books. Make sure you read A Scanner Darkly + Ubik also, PKD's two other best works.

Ubik is next.  And the Library of America just released another PKD set last month, including "Martian Time-Slip", "Dr. Bloodmoney", "Now Wait for Last Year", "Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said", and "A Scanner Darkly", so I'll very likely grab that when I'm done with Ubik.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on August 28, 2008, 10:23:21 PM
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK GET OUT OF MY HEAD
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Post by: Robo on August 28, 2008, 10:23:57 PM
I am getting freaky with your brain.  That bitch is into some weird shit.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on August 28, 2008, 10:24:40 PM
I believe that is a plot for a PKD novel.
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Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on August 28, 2008, 10:24:43 PM
Just stay with Ubik, even if you don't like it in the beggining. It has a WTF twist about ~50 pages in.

But make sure you read A Scanner Darkly, even if you've seen the movie, because it's so radically different, i'd say the movie version is what Blade Runner is to Androids
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Candyflip on August 28, 2008, 10:49:02 PM
I have his Four Novels of the 1960's collection (the coolest book I own), which also has Ubik. It's the last one, and I will read it next. I loved Man in the High Castle and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, the first two novels.

Wow thanks for mentioning this. Amazon has it up right now for $23 which is probably half the price it would cost me to get all four. I was planning on picking these up eventually anyway
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Trent Dole on August 28, 2008, 10:52:39 PM
Did a reread of Siddhartha the other day.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Costanza on August 29, 2008, 04:17:21 AM
I just finished The Road a couple days ago. Great stuff.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: lordmaji on August 29, 2008, 09:58:16 AM
Guns, Germs, & Steel.
Both Homer books. (Iliad & Odyssey)
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 29, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
Guns, Germs, & Steel.

stop reading
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Post by: jiji on August 29, 2008, 01:54:10 PM
I've started into Gibson's second trilogy with Virtual Light.  I can see a few similarities to Snow Crash, except this isn't chock full of nerd fantasies and supervillain plots, and the characters feel a lot more human. Reading the book this long after its release almost makes it feel like an alternate present with a few hokey differences (faxes everywhere). I'm enjoying it.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 29, 2008, 03:13:48 PM
Reading this now:

(http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/yiddish.jpg)

Will read this next - a gift from Mandark:

(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QPkfne8FL._SS400_.jpg)

And while at the airport at Vegas, I'll be reading this:

(http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/the_road.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on August 30, 2008, 11:48:32 AM
Gardens of the Moon - Steven Erikson: Thanks, Cormacaroni! It's great so far.

Severance Package - Duane Swierczynski: Surprisingly light reading for such a violent book.

Rainbow Six - Tom Clancy: This is my third attempt at reading this POS and I think I'm just going to set fire to it and be rid of it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2008, 12:23:38 PM
Guns, Germs, & Steel.

stop reading

why?  it's an awesome book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 30, 2008, 01:27:02 PM
It sucked. He repeated the same stuff 234776 times over the 400 pages. Pulitzer Prize my ass.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2008, 01:32:26 PM
I bet this is why you get non existent facebook names instead of numbers. 

  :bow GGS  :bow2
  :piss Juice  :piss2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 30, 2008, 01:34:07 PM
That was a low blow.  :'(
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2008, 01:39:16 PM
Well now I feel bad. 
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Post by: CajoleJuice on August 30, 2008, 01:43:10 PM
You should.  :gloomy
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on August 30, 2008, 04:49:58 PM
It sucked. He repeated the same stuff 234776 times over the 400 pages. Pulitzer Prize my ass.

Cajole, re-re confirmed.  I would recommend skipping the follow-up, Collapse, since it does feel like a reheated version of GGS, despite having a different topic.  GGS does also get yawny in the last quarter or so.  And Arvie, in your search for eclecticism, I am shocked you have not checked out Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, yet.  You will have contrapuntal assholes by the time you get done with that.

Me?  I just nabbed a copy of The Bridge by Iain Banks.  Just finished The Flanders Panel.  Have the strong desire to read either The Name of the Rose or Foucault's Pendulum again, but despite being re-reads, both books are (awesome) slogs that require concentration.  Also reading, heh, my microKORG manual.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 30, 2008, 04:56:32 PM
(http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/28160000/28168454.jpg)

Urantia is the best Sci-Fi cult ever. Scientology owned.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2008, 04:59:00 PM
It sucked. He repeated the same stuff 234776 times over the 400 pages. Pulitzer Prize my ass.

Cajole, re-re confirmed.  I would recommend skipping the follow-up, Collapse, since it does feel like a reheated version of GGS, despite having a different topic.  GGS does also get yawny in the last quarter or so.  And Arvie, in your search for eclecticism, I am shocked you have not checked out Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, yet.  You will have contrapuntal assholes by the time you get done with that.

Me?  I just nabbed a copy of The Bridge by Iain Banks.  Just finished The Flanders Panel.  Have the strong desire to read either The Name of the Rose or Foucault's Pendulum again, but despite being re-reads, both books are (awesome) slogs that require concentration.  Also reading, heh, my microKORG manual.

GEB was like in the first set of books that i put on my amazon wishlist.  It's just that when ever I go to order new books it I never have the feel for it.  Someday though.

I did just watch a documentary by the same author called victim of the brain.  It's on google videos. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on August 30, 2008, 05:06:08 PM
It sucked. He repeated the same stuff 234776 times over the 400 pages. Pulitzer Prize my ass.

Cajole, re-re confirmed.  I would recommend skipping the follow-up, Collapse, since it does feel like a reheated version of GGS, despite having a different topic.  GGS does also get yawny in the last quarter or so.  And Arvie, in your search for eclecticism, I am shocked you have not checked out Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, yet.  You will have contrapuntal assholes by the time you get done with that.

Me?  I just nabbed a copy of The Bridge by Iain Banks.  Just finished The Flanders Panel.  Have the strong desire to read either The Name of the Rose or Foucault's Pendulum again, but despite being re-reads, both books are (awesome) slogs that require concentration.  Also reading, heh, my microKORG manual.

GEB was like in the first set of books that i put on my amazon wishlist.  It's just that when ever I go to order new books it I never have the feel for it.  Someday though.

I did just watch a documentary by the same author called victim of the brain.  It's on google videos. 

His other books tend to be good, as well, although I haven't read them all and I believe that most of them are compilations of his several magazine columns.  I think you'll like GEB.  Like GGS, it also kinda loses steam about 3/4ths of the way through, but it's a huge fucking book, so you get a lot of entertainment out of it.

Have you read any Oliver Sacks?  He'll make you wish you were smart enough to be a neurologist.  Check out The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat and An Anthropologist on Mars, both immensely entertaining nonfiction books.  Awakenings is also good, but the former two books work in a short essay format, whereas Awakenings is one book on one thing.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2008, 05:09:17 PM
The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat: And Other Clinical Tales is on my wishlists too, lol.


I have seen the movie Awakenings though.   :-[  Does that count?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on August 30, 2008, 05:12:19 PM
The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat: And Other Clinical Tales is on my wishlists too, lol.


I have seen the movie Awakenings though.   :-[  Does that count?

I haven't seen that in like 15 years, so I can't really say.  I'm sure it is fictionalized to some degree and that a lot of the actual medical content has been excised since lotsa medical jargon wouldn't fit in with a heartwarming Shittywood movie.

The sleeping disease in that movie (and mentioned in The Sandman comics) is incredibly interesting.  Very little is known about it.  At least the last time I checked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalitis_lethargica

It has outbreaks for a few years and then disappears.  People basically went to "sleep" for decades.  The cause is not known.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 30, 2008, 05:19:27 PM
It sucked. He repeated the same stuff 234776 times over the 400 pages. Pulitzer Prize my ass.

Cajole, re-re confirmed.  I would recommend skipping the follow-up, Collapse, since it does feel like a reheated version of GGS, despite having a different topic.  GGS does also get yawny in the last quarter or so.

Yea well, I wasn't planning on it. And obviously, I was exaggerating since this is the internet, but I really did feel he reiterated certain things more than they needed to be. The last 1/4 probably just got to me so much that I started to hate the entire book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jiji on August 30, 2008, 05:22:05 PM
Have the strong desire to read either The Name of the Rose or Foucault's Pendulum again, but despite being re-reads, both books are (awesome) slogs that require concentration.
:bow :bow

I took so long in buying The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana that I was able to find a cheap remaindered copy on the budget stacks. Maybe I'll dig into that after Virtual Light.

I'm midway through this 1970s photography book that sounds like it was written by some cantankerous professor, and it gets into all the nitty-gritty technical stuff and math that most books usually leave out.  I keep leaving it and then coming back to it because it's such a stiff read, but I need to keep reading so that I can learn about how color film emulsions work.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on August 30, 2008, 05:24:35 PM
Have the strong desire to read either The Name of the Rose or Foucault's Pendulum again, but despite being re-reads, both books are (awesome) slogs that require concentration.
:bow :bow

I took so long in buying The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana that I was able to find a cheap remaindered copy on the budget stacks. Maybe I'll dig into that after Virtual Light.

I haven't read that one yet.  I heard it was a bit on the navel gazing side, and the reviews didn't make me rush out and nab it.  I will get it eventually.

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I'm midway through this 1970s photography book that sounds like it was written by some cantankerous professor, and it gets into all the nitty-gritty technical stuff and math that most books usually leave out.  I keep leaving it and then coming back to it because it's such a stiff read, but I need to keep reading so that I can learn about how color film emulsions work.

What's the name?  I kinda dig older photography books.  It seems like most modern photography books cut out the nitty gritty in favor of saying "photography is fun and easy and everyone can do it and all the math you need to know is how to count stops and half-stops!"  I like to know a bit about my scientism, even if it is not immediately useful to me.

Arvie, post your amazon wish list.  I will tell you what you are missing.
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Post by: jiji on August 30, 2008, 05:28:26 PM
What's the name?  I kinda dig older photography books.  It seems like most modern photography books cut out the nitty gritty in favor of saying "photography is fun and easy and everyone can do it and all the math you need to know is how to count stops and half-stops!"  I like to know a bit about my scientism, even if it is not immediately useful to me.

"Understanding Photography," by Carl Shipman.  http://www.antiqbook.com/boox/cro/44869.shtml
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: archie4208 on August 30, 2008, 05:49:04 PM
Just finished Watchmen.  Good stuff.
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Post by: cubicle47b on August 30, 2008, 11:56:32 PM
Oryx and Crake.  My sister sent it to me a long time ago as a gift and I started reading it last week.  I like it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 31, 2008, 02:06:11 AM

Arvie, post your amazon wish list.  I will tell you what you are missing.

It's like 18 pages long. 

 From Lucy to Language: Revised, Updated, and Expanded  by Donald Johanson (Author), et al.     
   The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty-Two Species of Extinct Humans by G. J. Sawyer (Author),
   Brain & Behavior: An Introduction to Biological Psychology by Bob Garrett (Author)    Add to Cart             
   The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague In History by John M. Barry (Author)    
   The First Word: The Search for the Origins of Language by Christine Kenneally (Author)    
   Phantoms in the Brain: Probing the Mysteries of the Human Mind by V. S. Ramachandran (Author), et al.
   The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat: And Other Clinical Tales by Oliver Sacks (Author)    
   Cognition, Brain, and Consciousness: Introduction to Cognitive Neuroscience by Bernard J. Baars
   The Richness of Life: The Essential Stephen Jay Gould by Stephen Jay Gould (Author), et al.
   The Dragons of Eden: Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence by Carl Sagan (Author)    
   Neuroanatomy: An Atlas of Structures, Sections, and Systems (Point (Lippincott Williams & Wilkins))
   Neuroscience, Fourth Edition by Dale Purves (Author)    Add to Cart    $71.34          
   The Student's Guide to Cognitive Neuroscience by Jamie Ward (Author)    Add to Cart    $35.95          
   Thinking in Pictures, Expanded Edition: My Life with Autism by Temple Grandin (Author)    
   Autism Spectrum Disorders: The Complete Guide to Understanding Autism, Asperger's Syndrome, Pervasive Developmental Disorder, and Other ASDs by Chantal Sicile-Kira (Author), Temple Grandin (Foreword)    Add to Cart    $10.85          
   Evolution in Four Dimensions: Genetic, Epigenetic, Behavioral, and Symbolic Variation in the History of Life (Life and Mind: Philosophical Issues in Biology and Psychology) by Eva Jablonka (Author), Marion J. Lamb (Author)    
   Not by Genes Alone: How Culture Transformed Human Evolution by Peter J. Richerson (Author), Robert Boyd (Author)    
   Synaptic Self: How Our Brains Become Who We Are by Joseph LeDoux (Author)    Add to Cart    $11.56          
   Basic Instinct: The Genesis of Behavior by Mark S. Blumberg (Author), Mark Blumberg (Author)
   On Human Nature by Edward O. Wilson (Author)    Add to Cart    $18.45          
   The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins (Author)    Add to Cart    $15.71          
   Intelligence in Nature by Jeremy Narby (Author)    Add to Cart    $10.17          
   The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design by Richard Dawkins (Author)    A
   Sociobiology: The New Synthesis, Twenty-fifth Anniversary Edition by Edward O. Wilson (Author)    
   DNA Science: A First Course, Second Edition by David Micklos (Author), et al.
 A Mind of Its Own: How Your Brain Distorts and Deceives  by Cordelia Fine (Author)     Add to Cart     $10.85             
   Life: A Natural History of the First Four Billion Years of Life on Earth by Richard Fortey (Author)    A
   The Naked Brain: How the Emerging Neurosociety is Changing How We Live, Work, and Love by Richard Restak (Author)    
   The New Brain: How the Modern Age Is Rewiring Your Mind by Richard Restak (Author)    
   The Evolution of Cooperation: Revised Edition by Robert Axelrod (Author)    Add to Cart    $14.40          
   DNA by James D. Watson (Author)    Add to Cart    $21.83          
   The Ants by Bert Hölldobler (Author), Edward O. Wilson (Author)    Add to Cart    $91.20          
   Labyrinths of Reason: Paradox, Puzzles, and the Frailty of Knowledge by William Poundstone (Editor)    
   The Brain and the Inner World: An Introduction to the Neuroscience of Subjective Experience by Mark Solms (Author)
   On Aggression (Routledge Classics) by Konrad Lorenz (Author)    Add to Cart    $12.21          
   Seeing Red: A Study in Consciousness (Mind/Brain/Beh​avior Initiative) by Nicholas Humphrey (Author)    
   The Language Instinct: How the Mind Creates Language (Perennial Classics) by Steven Pinker (Author)    
   A History of the Mind: Evolution and the Birth of Consciousness by Nicholas Humphrey (Author)
   Your Inner Fish: A Journey into the 3.5-Billion-Yea​r History of the Human Body by Neil Shubin (Author)
   Oxygen: The Molecule that Made the World (Popular Science) by Nick Lane (Author)    
   Major Transitions in Vertebrate Evolution (Life of the Past) by Jason S. Anderson (Editor), Hans-Dieter Sues (Editor)    
   The Mysterious Flame: Conscious Minds In A Material World by Colin Mcginn (Author)    
   The Evolution of Organ Systems (Oxford Biology) by Andreas Schmidt-Rhaesa (Author)    
   How the Mind Works by Steven Pinker (Author)    Add to Cart    $12.89          
   The Future of the Body: Explorations Into the Further Evolution Of Human Nature by Michael Murphy (Author)    
   The Moral Animal: Why We Are, the Way We Are: The New Science of Evolutionary Psychology by Robert Wright (Author)    
   Man is the Measure by Reuben Abel (Author)    Add to Cart    $17.05          
   Supercontinent:​ Ten Billion Years in the Life of Our Planet by Ted Nield (Author)    Add to Cart    $19.77          
   The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature by Matt Ridley (Author)    Add to Cart    $10.17          
   The Emerald Planet: How Plants Changed Earth's History by David Beerling (Author)
 Continents and Supercontinents​  by John J. W. Rogers (Author), M. Santosh (Author)     Add to Cart     $39.16             
   The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature by Steven Pinker (Author)    Add to Cart    $10.88          
   The Third Chimpanzee: The Evolution and Future of the Human Animal (P.S.) by Jared M. Diamond (Author)
   Evolution for Everyone: How Darwin's Theory Can Change the Way We Think About Our Lives by David Sloan Wilson (Author)    
   The Intelligent Universe: AI, ET, and the Emerging Mind of the Cosmos by James N. Gardner (Author), Ray Kurzweil (Foreword)    Add to Cart    $17.15          
   The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology by Ray Kurzweil (Author)    See buying options             
   How Cancer Works by Lauren Sompayrac (Author)    Add to Cart    $34.95          
   The Secret History of the War on Cancer by Devra Davis (Author)    Add to Cart    $18.45          
   The Invisible Enemy: A Natural History of Viruses by Dorothy Crawford (Author)    Add to Cart    $16.15          
   How Pathogenic Viruses Work by Lauren Sompayrac (Author)

that's just whats under my biology list.  There is still history, math, philo and fiction, and default.  :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2008, 02:09:27 AM
Is there an "Add All" function in the book section of Amazon?
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Post by: Vizzys on August 31, 2008, 02:11:12 AM
damn and I thought my wish list was long
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 31, 2008, 02:11:42 AM
No it's just fucking compulsion.  Like looking at the related videos on youtube.  I just keep hitting links.  and worse yet when i get emails about stuff i might be interested in.   :'( :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 31, 2008, 12:59:01 PM
No it's just fucking compulsion.  Like looking at the related videos on youtube.  I just keep hitting links.  and worse yet when i get emails about stuff i might be interested in.   :'( :'(

Your wish list is like the required reading list for Atheism 101.

That's not really why I'd read those books besides the dawkins stuff.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 01, 2008, 12:11:34 AM
Just wrapped up The Yiddish Policemen's Union.  The story kind of falls apart in the second half, becoming bloated and cliche and eventually, totally convoluted.  Some of the characters have nice resolutions, but it's not Chabon's best work.

However, the characters are very Coen Bros. and if they follow through on their plans to adapt the book, I think we could get a terrific movie that is a lot better than the book.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 01, 2008, 12:19:22 AM
speaking of Coen bros adaptions, has anyone read NCFOM?
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Post by: ch1nchilla on September 01, 2008, 12:30:17 AM
A Wild Sheep Chase, and uh... Rashomon.
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Post by: Vizzys on September 01, 2008, 12:42:15 AM
I was rereading "the third lie"

still confusing and depressing as the first time I read it
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 01, 2008, 01:01:37 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513KX24505L._SS500_.jpg)

Shogun is such a good book.
Clavell was heavily influenced by Rand.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 01, 2008, 10:23:08 AM
The Russian Revolution - Richard Pipes

I have about 700 pages left.  I don't have a book on deck to start once I'm done but with all the studying I need to do for an important exam, this is the last book I'm going to read for a while.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 02, 2008, 09:04:13 AM
I myself am reading Jack Ketchum's Off Season, the 2006 re-release of his first novel (from 1980) which returned edited out bits and cleans up the book a bit.  I only know Ketchum through his shorter works and through The Girl Next Door, but in reading a short story he wrote called Luck in a magazine his bio mentioned that the Village Voice in its review of this book decried its publisher for publishing violent pornography.  I'm almost half way through (page 115 of 279) and so far there has been 0 deaths, and 0 graphic depictions of violence and only one violent scene, so my guess is that unless the tone radically changes in the last half (which is entirely possible) I think the VV reviewer was a bit of a ninny.

The book itself concerns a writer from Manhattan staying in a cabin in a Maine fishing town during the Off Season, that is the fall and winter.  She invites four friends from the city to come stay with her.  She's a writer/editor who is supposed to be taking a working vacation, but so far she hasn't seemed to do much aside from clean the cabin and romanticize the past which has led her to the cabin while philosophizing on the nature of writing.  Unbeknownst to her, she's being watched from the woods.

Parallel to this is investigation of an attack which was adroitly told in the opening section of the book, wherein a woman stops her car because she sees a half naked girl standing in the road covered in dirt, which turns out to be a trap as she is hounded from the highway to the sea by a pack of feral children where she flings herself from the cliffs rather than take her chances with her attackers. 

She lives and it gives us a chance for some expository dialog about previous mysterious disappearances and the like which serves as foreshadowing to what we can expect.

The attack itself serves as the prologue of the book and lays out the books tone quite well but so far it doesn't read as a horror novel at all but I don't expect everything to stay so civil as we've had our first act introduction of Chekov's gun and some insight into the socialization of the feral children with a bit of their back-story.
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Post by: Tundra on September 02, 2008, 10:49:04 AM
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Pretty cool so far, but definitely much different than Blade Runner.

I'm actually reading this right now too.  WEIRD

Dude what the fuck, we're on the same wavelength today.

Quote
Androids is one of my favorite books. Make sure you read A Scanner Darkly + Ubik also, PKD's two other best works.

I have his Four Novels of the 1960's collection (the coolest book I own), which also has Ubik. It's the last one, and I will read it next. I loved Man in the High Castle and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, the first two novels.

May i mention "The Galactic Pothealer" by PKD as well. My favourite of his writings so far ...It's humorous, deep, thought provoking, hilarious sometimes. Everything a PKD story needs.

I read  up a lot of his earlier work lately, which i don't like so much. A lot of "people living underground after the nuclear war" stories.

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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 02, 2008, 11:30:00 AM
(http://blogbahamas.typepad.com/blog_bahamas/images/2007/09/21/atlasshrugged.jpg)

 The fountainhead was fucking good.
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Post by: Eric P on September 03, 2008, 01:15:11 AM
dear god what a nasty little novel

i started to read it before bed and then pushed through to it's conclusion.

quite well done.  very tense, disturbingly gore and gory sex filled with depictions of violence to women so severe i had though TVC had written this.

i now have to wake up for work in under 5 hours but it's going to take some light cleansing of the palate after that.
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Post by: Enl on September 03, 2008, 03:45:26 AM
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c296/SamSawyr/Happy%20Fun/crispin.gif)

An informative school book on the art of rat-catching published in 1896 and written by Crispin Glover.

EDIT: Ooh, 666th post.
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Post by: Tieno on September 17, 2008, 04:50:51 AM
Just started reading the Earth's Children series.
 (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DYZF722FL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

I like it a lot, very interesting and fun to be transported so far back in time to a totally different world and era.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on September 17, 2008, 06:40:27 AM
Well I feel uncultured.
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Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2008, 07:35:37 AM
Just started reading the Earth's Children series.
 (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DYZF722FL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

I like it a lot, very interesting and fun to be transported so far back in time to a totally different world and era.

for real laughs, watch the movie based on clan of the cave bear

so bad the writer sued the movie studio

or just read this
http://www.jabootu.com/clancavebear.htm
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2008, 07:37:07 AM
i myself am reading The Shape of Water

(http://italian-mysteries.com/aca01big.jpg)

i'm about half way through.  it's light and breezy to read but this doesn't mean that it's shallow or a "comedy mystery."  it's a pretty good police procedural and pretty short at 200 pages.


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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2008, 02:18:08 PM
The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay - Michael Chabon

I really like it so far. Well written, funny at times, sad at other times.


I've kinda put Club Dumas on hold due to it. And I've still gotta finish Black Company, plus I have a Philip K Dick compilation book on hold at the library. Too much to read lol
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Post by: Tieno on October 12, 2008, 05:16:54 PM
Just finished the 5th and currently last book in the Earth's Children series. Overall I really enjoyed it, especially the 1st and 2nd book, which I loved. By the 4th and 5th book I got (slightly) annoyed by repeating introductions I had to go through every time Ayla met new people. The story isn't as strong in the later books, but still very enjoyable...some of the newness has largely worn off.
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Post by: Boogie on October 12, 2008, 06:10:18 PM
What book(s) are you reading?

Right now I'm reading this:

(http://en.epochtimes.com/news_images/2004-8-2-2004-8-2-1421-cover.jpg)

I'm not sure how true it is, but it's a nice story.

Fuck, you're actually wasting time on this shit?

I can tell you how "true" it is, it makes "The Da Vinci Code" look like "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
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Post by: CajoleJuice on October 12, 2008, 07:39:16 PM
Financial Mathematics study guide :-\
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2008, 07:43:37 PM
I just finished reading "A Canticle for Leibowitz" by Walter M. Miller Jr. and "Ubik" by Phillip K. Dick. I'm not sure what I'm going to start next.

I may try to finally finish either The Illuminatus! Trilogy or Foucault's Pendulum.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 12, 2008, 08:36:03 PM
A dozen pages left on The Russian Revolution.  My 3500 page commie reading marathon is about to come to a close.

Up on deck is The Race Beat, thanks to Eric P.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2008, 10:41:26 PM
I'd like to start reading Valis. I looked for it at all the bookstores around this weekend, but none of them had it.
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Post by: Tauntaun on October 12, 2008, 10:43:11 PM
I feel like a child in this thread, you guys all read "intelligent" novels and books about history/psychology/philosophy.  I read a lot of 40k books and other fantasy sci fi.   :-[
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Post by: muckhole on October 12, 2008, 10:46:12 PM
I feel like a child in this thread, you guys all read "intelligent" novels and books about history/psychology/philosophy.  I read a lot of 40k books and other fantasy sci fi.   :-[

I try and balance it between the two. That way you feel like you're learning something valuable, or at the very least, relevant, and still read what you want for pure entertainment.

I badly need to get some new books. Right now I'm reading some extremely forgettable fantasy novel my sister gave me, who's title I can't even recall. Time for a trip to Chapters.

I'm kind of in a sci-fi mood, anything new I should be looking for?

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Post by: Propagandhim on October 12, 2008, 11:20:14 PM
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle.  I rarely slag on books, and always try to find the good in a lot of them, but this book is real crappy so far (150 pages in).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tauntaun on October 13, 2008, 12:03:55 AM
I feel like a child in this thread, you guys all read "intelligent" novels and books about history/psychology/philosophy.  I read a lot of 40k books and other fantasy sci fi.   :-[

I try and balance it between the two. That way you feel like you're learning something valuable, or at the very least, relevant, and still read what you want for pure entertainment.

I badly need to get some new books. Right now I'm reading some extremely forgettable fantasy novel my sister gave me, who's title I can't even recall. Time for a trip to Chapters.

I'm kind of in a sci-fi mood, anything new I should be looking for?

It's fantasy but The Name of the Wind is awesome.  It's by Patrick Rothfuss.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tieno on October 14, 2008, 03:57:43 PM
Started reading Child of the Jungle by Sabine Keugler
In 1980, when Kuegler was seven, she accompanied her German linguist parents into the Papuan (New Guinea) jungle to live with the Fayu, a Stone Age tribe of naked people with bones through their noses. She felt immediately at home and by her own account had an idyllic childhood till she was 17, even though the Fayu were split into four mutually hostile subtribes in a culture of "hate, fear and tribal war," where children "knew no security or innocence" and had "little love, no forgiveness and no peace." After years of close friendship with Fayu children, eventually Kuegler was sent to boarding school in Switzerland
(http://www.hachettebookgroupusa.com/_images/ISBNCovers/Covers_Enlarged/9780446579063_388X586.jpg)
So far I really like it. Inspiring and also very fun to read the stories of her 'adventures' in the jungle, reminds me of my own childhood
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Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on October 14, 2008, 04:13:52 PM
Right now I'm reading two books.

(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/03/God_061103114531654_wideweb__300x460.jpg)

and

(http://jeremylatham.com/images/freakonomics.jpg)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2008, 04:14:01 PM
I feel like a child in this thread, you guys all read "intelligent" novels and books about history/psychology/philosophy.  I read a lot of 40k books and other fantasy sci fi.   :-[

I try and balance it between the two. That way you feel like you're learning something valuable, or at the very least, relevant, and still read what you want for pure entertainment.

I badly need to get some new books. Right now I'm reading some extremely forgettable fantasy novel my sister gave me, who's title I can't even recall. Time for a trip to Chapters.

I'm kind of in a sci-fi mood, anything new I should be looking for?

It's fantasy but The Name of the Wind is awesome.  It's by Patrick Rothfuss.

I'm gonna have to check that out. I keep hearing people say it's really good
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Post by: BlueTsunami on October 14, 2008, 05:48:38 PM
Bought it yesterday...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/2942030687_b3dded741b_o.jpg)

and for all you Philip K. Dick fans, The Library of America released another Hardcover of his assorted works...

Philip K. Dick: Five Novels of the 1960s & 70s (Hardcover): http://www.amazon.com/Philip-K-Dick-Novels-1960s/dp/1598530259/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224020111&sr=8-2

It contains...

Martian Time Slip, Dr. Bloodmoney
Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said
Now Wait For Last Year
A Scanner Darkly
Dr. Bloodmoney

I was gonna buy "A Scanner Darkly" but fuck it, I'm buying this print instead. Its only like $30 or  so after shipping.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on October 14, 2008, 06:34:54 PM
One step ahead of you, BT.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on October 14, 2008, 07:12:06 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZZPW2KQCL.jpg)

very long, kinda slow to read, but so awesome and funny.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 14, 2008, 07:28:13 PM
Started The inner Eye: social intelligence in evolution by Nicholas Humphrey today.


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Post by: Tieno on October 15, 2008, 02:23:12 PM
Finished Child of the Jungle, started "Choke" by Chuck Palahniuk (Fight Club)
(http://www.jdmfilmreviews.com/images/choke-novel12.jpg)
A sex-addicted con-man pays for his mother's hospital bills by playing on the sympathies of those who rescue him from choking to death.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2008, 05:20:12 PM
The Vampire Genevieve.

It's a collection of Warhammer stories by Jack Yeovil about that character.
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Post by: Tauntaun on October 15, 2008, 05:21:14 PM
The Vampire Genevieve.

It's a collection of Warhammer stories by Jack Yeovil about that character.

:rock  You read the Gotrek and Felix series?  :rock
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Post by: modkennylaine on October 15, 2008, 05:28:42 PM
Finished Child of the Jungle, started "Choke" by Chuck Palahniuk (Fight Club)

Ehhh, I liked Lullaby better.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on October 16, 2008, 09:14:26 AM
I'm currently reading like a ton of things, as always.

i dialed it down a bit and am reading Mike Carey's The Devil You Know, which is basically exorcist noir.  so far, so good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tieno on October 16, 2008, 09:31:12 AM
Finished Child of the Jungle, started "Choke" by Chuck Palahniuk (Fight Club)

Ehhh, I liked Lullaby better.
Maybe, I just finished it and didn't find it anything special. After Fight Club I don't think Chuck's books are my kind of thing. It was OK as a palette cleanser after the Earth's Children series and Child of the Jungle. Choke will probably be more enjoyable as a movie, which just came out I think.
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Post by: Tieno on October 17, 2008, 03:16:17 AM
Started "The shadow of the wind" by Carlos Ruiz Zafon
(http://image.aladdin.co.kr/Community/mypaper/pimg_763187193143542.jpg)
"Young Daniel Sempere is taken by his father to a place called the Cemetery of Lost Books where he is told to adopt a book to keep its memory alive. He adopts a book called “The Shadow of the Wind” by a writer named Julian Carax. After he reads he book he becomes obsessed with Carax and his work and begins a search for everything he can find out about the author

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Post by: Reb on October 17, 2008, 10:34:22 AM
I started that book, never finished it...

I'm reading "Der Klavierstimmer" and "Tirza".
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 17, 2008, 06:42:54 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Z53ECSY3L._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_AA219_PIsitb-sticker-dp-arrow,TopRight,-24,-23_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

I remember the Purple Days War. Oh do I ever.
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Post by: Tieno on October 19, 2008, 11:08:38 AM
I started that book, never finished it...

That's too bad, because I just finished it and it's a very well told moving and tragic story. Gets better the further you get. Definitely recommend.


Anyway, now I'm probably going to start Les Miserables by Victor Hugo
(http://www.scotch.vic.edu.au/Gscot/07maygs/images/70a.gif)
Been wanting to read that one for years but I was always looking for a dutch unabridged version, but can't find it so I settled with an edited one.
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Post by: Tieno on October 22, 2008, 12:29:48 PM
Finished Les Miserables, great and interesting story but even the edited version sometimes drags along.

Now I think I'm going to start The Unbearable Lightness of Being
(http://www.pearr.org/uploaded_images/unbearable-lightness-of-being-754381.jpg)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2008, 03:13:32 PM
The Vampire Genevieve.

It's a collection of Warhammer stories by Jack Yeovil about that character.

:rock  You read the Gotrek and Felix series?  :rock

No, this is the first time that I've read a Warhammer book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tieno on October 24, 2008, 05:23:00 PM
Finished Unbearable Lightness of Being...it edges more to the intellectual side than being entertaining, though it still is...but harder to approach.

Started Pallieter by Felix Timmermans. Flemish classic from 1916, about a guy "Pallieter" who lives by the saying "carpe diem".
(http://fotos.marktplaats.nl/kopen/1/00/a1IlpYAMAcHLwqHfviLN9Q==.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2008, 05:24:55 PM
I'm reading Count Zero by William Gibson. It's not as good as Neuromancer, but it's pretty good.
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Post by: Tieno on October 26, 2008, 02:10:42 PM
Finished Pallieter, it's a bit too simple for me. Don't feel why it's such a classic here.

Started Middlesex by Jeffery Eugenides, won the pulitizer price for best fiction with this one so I hope it's good. It's about someone born as both a boy and a girl or neither (hermaphrodite) and the history of her/his family.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z212/bernizzya/middlesex.jpg)
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Post by: Bocsius on October 26, 2008, 08:39:22 PM
I went out and bought Amber and Ashes this weekend. The final book of the trilogy (that trilogy being Dragonlance: The Dark Disciple) hits mass market paperback next week, so now is a good time to start the first one.
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Post by: trippingmartian on October 26, 2008, 11:10:18 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41WpqsiaaFL._SS500_.jpg)
Crime by Irvine Welsh

A follow-up to 'Filth'.
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Post by: elektrikluv on October 29, 2008, 12:42:42 PM
Two on the go at the moment;

The Secret History - Donna Tartt

Really enjoying it so far, reads like a Greek tragedy and I like the reverse style of the murder mystery, and the juxtaposition of modern with classic.

The Trial - Franz Kafka

Don't know what to think yet, can only describe it as chilling and surreal. Not looking forward to the ending though, I don't like unfinished books :(
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Post by: Tieno on October 29, 2008, 12:44:34 PM
Secret History is amazing! Really good book.
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Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 12:56:55 PM
I'm currently reading Michael Moorcock's Behold The Man.  It's a book with parallel stories of a young man's psychological difficulties with women, himself, and sex brought on by fears of inadequacy and also guilt handed to him in a rather vengeful fashion by his mother after the father split.  The other tale is about the man's traveling to 28 AD to meet Jesus and about the various politics of Roman occupation, competing Judaic sects. 

If you think about fiction for more than five minutes, you know from the first page how the story will end (assuming we are not being cheated by the Author, something in which Moorcock sometimes indulges).  It is an extremely short novel at 144 pages built upon a Nebula award winning novella of the same name.  I haven't read the novella yet, so I can't compare and contrast thematic elements nor state if the expansion works in favor of those elements.  I am guessing that there are a few more specific elements to the psychological aspects of our character's "modern" existence.

There is a new edition to this book which was put out within the past few years which cleans up the text a bit.  If you're interested in this work, then perhaps that may be the way to go.
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Post by: Bocsius on November 03, 2008, 09:08:39 AM
I finished Amber and Ashes, so now I'm reading Amber and Iron.
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Post by: Eric P on November 03, 2008, 12:20:05 PM
i started to re-read the Elric saga in the form of the Daw corrected editions from 1976

but I seem to have misplaced the second book as i was reading it.  kind of annoying.  so i moved on to book three, The Weird of the White Wolf.

i forgot just how much i enjoyed the series though when i tried to tell my GF about it, she just looked at me like i was dumb for finding it interesting.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2009, 11:27:54 PM
Picked up Blood Meridian from the school library. I got a sense of dark anarchy from the first chapter, a portrait of a not so romantic wild west. So far I'm not concerned/confused by the lack of quotation marks, but a couple looong sentences made me go wtf.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on January 29, 2009, 11:31:07 PM
I need to get a Library Card... I hope I don't have outstanding shit from my early teens :'(
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 30, 2009, 08:47:55 AM
started this last night because I wanted something small enough to get finished in two weeks.

http://www.amazon.com/What-Intelligence-Beyond-Flynn-Effect/dp/0521880076
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Post by: tiesto on January 30, 2009, 08:59:20 AM
Someone sent me a PDF of this:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/The_game.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on January 30, 2009, 09:04:44 AM
http://thekrakennaps.blogspot.com/

I wrapped up The Player of Games this morning.

up next is Philip Roth's Portnoy's Complaint
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Post by: Kestastrophe on January 30, 2009, 11:26:22 AM
Finished Predictably Irrational. What a brilliant book and it does a great job of explaining irrational tendencies that are hardwired into everyone. Best part is that it is backed by empirical research, not just casual empiricism. I would recommend it this book to everyone, but anyone with a passing interest in economics, psychology/sociology, or political ideology should give it a shot.
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Post by: Eric P on January 30, 2009, 04:28:57 PM
I'm about to start reading "The Kite Runner" which I've been meaning to do for a couple of years since my sister wouldn't stop talking about it, but I've searched EB and found a thread made by am nintenho shitting on it.

Should I start it or read something else?

i know a lot of people like it, but i'm curious if that's because of that whole cultural tourism and "thank god we don't live like that" mentality which comes from a lot of appreciation/readership of those books.

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Post by: Eric P on January 30, 2009, 04:30:24 PM
the term i was looking for was "orientalism"

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Post by: ch1nchilla on January 30, 2009, 04:34:06 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51A1HJ0GVYL._SS500_.jpg)

I'm reading it for a class... Not really a fan so far.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2009, 07:07:42 PM
I finished Book 2 of the Illuminatus! Trilogy. I'm on the home stretch now; Yog-Sothoth has broken free of his prison under the Pentagon and a legion of Nazi zombies are ready to roll over Europe.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 30, 2009, 07:30:53 PM
I finished Book 2 of the Illuminatus! Trilogy. I'm on the home stretch now; Yog-Sothoth has broken free of his prison under the Pentagon and a legion of Nazi zombies are ready to roll over Europe.

That sounds so fucking lame.  Like wilco lame. 
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Post by: TVC15 on January 30, 2009, 07:32:28 PM
I finished Book 2 of the Illuminatus! Trilogy. I'm on the home stretch now; Yog-Sothoth has broken free of his prison under the Pentagon and a legion of Nazi zombies are ready to roll over Europe.

That sounds so fucking lame.  Like wilco lame. 

Ban arvie.  You wouldn't even be able to figure the book out.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 30, 2009, 07:34:59 PM
Lame
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Post by: TVC15 on January 30, 2009, 07:35:25 PM
I doubt you'd make it 50 pages in.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 30, 2009, 07:49:38 PM
You're right.  It sounds to lame to finish.  I doubt I'd make it 10 pages in.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2009, 07:51:01 PM
It's awesome when it takes time to mock the reader, the critics, and/or the authors without even breaking the narrative.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on January 31, 2009, 12:28:28 AM
I am reading Foucault's Pendulum, which I'm enjoying a lot.
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Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2009, 10:42:08 AM
God, it's been forever since I read Foucalt's Pendulum. I loved the nonsense with the numerology.

I'm about 50 pages away from finishing "Gardens of the Moon." A thoroughly enjoyable book, if a bit thick.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2009, 08:23:00 PM
God, it's been forever since I read Foucalt's Pendulum. I loved the nonsense with the numerology.

I'm about 50 pages away from finishing "Gardens of the Moon." A thoroughly enjoyable book, if a bit thick.

you say that NOW. You'll look back at it as a mere fleeting prelude.
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Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2009, 08:38:33 PM
God, it's been forever since I read Foucalt's Pendulum. I loved the nonsense with the numerology.

I'm about 50 pages away from finishing "Gardens of the Moon." A thoroughly enjoyable book, if a bit thick.

you say that NOW. You'll look back at it as a mere fleeting prelude.

Well, thanks for the gift again, in any case. I have been hovering over the "Buy Now" button at Amazon on it, but am also reading World War Z; pretty good so far, though compared to Gardens of the Moon, the intentionally pedestrian language is jarring.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2009, 08:41:09 PM
World War Z is one of those books I feel like I've read already. Actually reading it would feel like an afterthought at this point.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2009, 09:24:06 PM
I can't really parse that. You've not read it, but you've heard so much about it or from it that it feels like you've read it?

I'll tell you one thing, I read a scene in it where families waiting, clustered in a church are being sieged by a horde of zombies. When the zombies break through, a few of the matrons freak out and scream "Don't let them get the children! Keep them away from the children!" and proceed to pick the smaller children up by the ankles and swing the heads of the children at walls, and choking the larger ones. Killing them to spare the possibility of being eaten alive, becoming infected, reanimating.

I'd read that in the genocides in Africa that they would kill children that way, but had a hard time believing it. It's difficult to believe that even with a dehumanized view of the world that anyone could kill children, much less their own. But then I read about the recent Lupoe and Rajaram family murder/suicides, apparently entirely motivated by financial problems, and realized that the world can bemore fucked up than I give it credit.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2009, 09:31:22 PM
God, it's been forever since I read Foucalt's Pendulum. I loved the nonsense with the numerology.

I'm about 50 pages away from finishing "Gardens of the Moon." A thoroughly enjoyable book, if a bit thick.

you say that NOW. You'll look back at it as a mere fleeting prelude.

Still holding out on starting that book.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
adwd 09 or bust
[close]
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2009, 10:06:31 PM
What I means is, I'm sick of WWZ before even reading it. Don't you ever get that way with movies - you see the trailer so many times, which give away so much of the story, that it feels like there's no point actually watching it?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2009, 10:07:38 PM
God, it's been forever since I read Foucalt's Pendulum. I loved the nonsense with the numerology.

I'm about 50 pages away from finishing "Gardens of the Moon." A thoroughly enjoyable book, if a bit thick.

you say that NOW. You'll look back at it as a mere fleeting prelude.

Still holding out on starting that book.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
adwd 09 or bust
[close]

oh, shit or get off the pot
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Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2009, 11:26:28 PM
What I means is, I'm sick of WWZ before even reading it. Don't you ever get that way with movies - you see the trailer so many times, which give away so much of the story, that it feels like there's no point actually watching it?

...And unknowingly, I just added to that. Sorry!
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Post by: Eric P on February 02, 2009, 12:11:13 AM
What I means is, I'm sick of WWZ before even reading it. Don't you ever get that way with movies - you see the trailer so many times, which give away so much of the story, that it feels like there's no point actually watching it?

i can totally relate, pretty specifically to that book as well

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2009, 12:36:27 AM
What I means is, I'm sick of WWZ before even reading it. Don't you ever get that way with movies - you see the trailer so many times, which give away so much of the story, that it feels like there's no point actually watching it?

...And unknowingly, I just added to that. Sorry!

Japanese etiquette is rubbing off on you if you think you need to apologize for that ;)
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Post by: chronovore on February 02, 2009, 01:16:25 AM
You said Erikson's subsequent books in that world are good? Are they sequential? Wikipedia hints at "no."
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2009, 01:34:57 AM
Was Gardens of the Moon internally sequential? The other books are approximately that sequential ;)

It's not uncommon for him to set chapters hundreds of thousands of years before the next one, and just expect you to to flip back and forward. Part of the fun is reconstructing the timeline in your own head. You mind find yourself running out of RAM first though. You really get out of it what you put into it.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on February 02, 2009, 01:39:18 AM
Just finished Beyond Freedom & Dignity today.  It was like having a commie behaviorist jizzing absinthe directly into my anus.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jiji on February 02, 2009, 02:15:59 AM
Just finished the appendices of :bow From Hell :bow2, and now I'm reading this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XHG8RAMNL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

Love it so far. Aside from some of the punctuation/dialect, the strip feels totally current.

Oh, as far as "real" books, I've put a small dent in A People's History of the United States.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2009, 11:05:52 PM
(http://www.rightstuf.com/items/2008-12/05/large/9781933164991.jpg)

edit:   :'(  hotlink didn't work
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Post by: Kestastrophe on February 06, 2009, 09:42:32 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41AxWBwMriL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Just picked this up last night. 500+ page story on the four most influential bankers during the great depression era. Told like a fictional story, kind of like Devil in the White City.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 06, 2009, 10:55:27 AM
i saw that book in the book store here and it looked interesting.

i'm still reading Faceless Killers

(http://www.inspector-wallander.org/mysteries/faceless-killers/products/book-vintageusa-1400031575-large.jpg)
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Post by: CajoleJuice on February 06, 2009, 11:25:47 AM
"Space is not the only void"

I immediately thought "anus"

goddamn you, TVC
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 06, 2009, 08:59:59 PM
(http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14730000/14738557.JPG)

(http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/24660000/24669404.JPG)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 06, 2009, 10:03:31 PM
Finished Kundera, and after 4 serious books in a row I decided it's time for some entertainment:

(http://www.alexholden.net/books/covers/The_Reality_Dysfunction_f.jpeg)


i've had this on my shelf for a couple of years now :(

I started it and quite enjoyed it but it was amazingly dense and technical. After a week or so, i had completely forgotten all the details of the 100 pgs or so I read and couldn't go back to it. aargh. Feel so guilty now....
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Post by: ch1nchilla on February 08, 2009, 04:48:33 PM
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm217/ch1nchilla/41TBXYA9E1L.jpg)

Reading it for a class... I need to finish it before I can actually pass judgment on it, but so far it's completely fucked up (and a bit challenging to read -- hence the 'Senseless').
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 09, 2009, 10:27:54 AM
currently 50 pages into The Savage Season by Joe R Lansdale.
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Post by: Tieno on February 09, 2009, 02:15:26 PM
(http://thinkinginsidethebox.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cover.jpg)

I read 90 pages in one sitting, at this rate I will finish this one in 2/3 days. Yummy.
Read that one a few months ago. It's interesting, intellectual and enjoyable, but ultimately not my thing. I do recommend you see the movie after you've finished the book. Very slow, understated and long (3 hours), but I think you'll appreciate it when you've read the book.

need to get into reading again.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 09, 2009, 02:20:25 PM
woo

Borders had The Laughing Policeman and The Man on the Balcony available today so i snagged those

<3 Martin Beck <3
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tieno on February 09, 2009, 04:01:33 PM
Started in Catch-22 by Joseph Heller. Bought it a few years ago and always wanted to read it, but never got around to it.
Joseph Heller's satirical war novel Catch-22 depicts the absurdity and inhumanity of warfare through the experiences of Yossarian, a bombardier pilot stationed on the island of Pianosa (near Italy) in World War II. Heller does not tell Yossarian's story chronologically. Instead, the novel revolves around episodes in Yossarian's life (particularly the gruesome death of Snowden, a young airmnan) and employs flashbacks and digressions to jump back and forth between events.

(http://www.lost.web.tr/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/catch22_cover.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 04:02:45 PM
I'm reading that. ABout halfway through. Took me a while to get into it.
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Post by: Eric P on February 09, 2009, 04:16:25 PM
http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/lee_02_09/

The link between The Turner Diaries and modern apocalyptic Christian fiction
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 09, 2009, 06:54:58 PM
Finally nearing the end of Empire of the Senseless... not liking it at all.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 10, 2009, 11:19:12 AM
i finished The Savage Season last night and was kind of adrift with wanting to read something.  I had a few books in hand that all looked interesting and i thought i'd read a chapter or two and see which caught my interest the most

i picked up the third book in the A Story of Crime series of books, The Man on the Balcony by Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo.  Next thing i knew it was 1 AM and I was well into the book.  This is the BEST of these books I'd read so far. 

I'll get into more detail in a bit
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tieno on February 10, 2009, 12:17:06 PM
You mean the imdb link or...?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096332/


Stopped in Catch-22, I'm not in the mood atm for such a book...so I'm going to start Foucault's Pendulum. I really liked The Name of The Rose.
(http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n3/n15761.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 10, 2009, 06:36:14 PM
"Dreams from my Father" - Obama's memoir from 1995, re-released in 2004, and a new printing recently in light of certain electoral events.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2009, 08:07:44 PM
Foucault's Pendulum is a pretty tough read so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 10, 2009, 09:18:10 PM
Also reading "Swag" ("Ryan's Rules") by Elmore Leonard. I'm kinda pissed off at Hollywood for casting Burt Reynolds as the character in the movies. Even though I've never seen them, I keep picturing smirking Burt winking at the camera while I'm reading. A young Tommy Lee Jones is much closer to the character portrayed. :-(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 11:56:36 PM
Still reading Blood Meridian, which is awesome. Awesome and confusing; I'm constantly looking things up and re-reading passages. Like for instance (spoilers imminent):

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just finished the part where Tobin tells his story of how the company came to meet the Judge. Much of the story details a huge encounter with indians. It took me awhile to "get" what happened with the gun powder, ie the Judge creating a large supply which they used to reign down terror on the indians, which were apparently in an extinct volcano according to Wiki. I could barely picture that entire scene in my mind's eye and read it multiple times.

Also concerning the first encounter with the Judge and the Delawares: what happened there with the bats and shit? They camped in a cave, lighting fires at night...then used the gunpower to shoot the indians as they spilled over the mountain top?
[close]

And the whole tarot card scene totally threw me off
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 12, 2009, 01:50:13 AM
Still reading Blood Meridian, which is awesome. Awesome and confusing; I'm constantly looking things up and re-reading passages.

Awesome to hear this is good. I'm starting to read it for my modern lit class on Friday. :)

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 12, 2009, 03:24:49 AM
Still reading Blood Meridian, which is awesome. Awesome and confusing; I'm constantly looking things up and re-reading passages.

Awesome to hear this is good. I'm starting to read it for my modern lit class on Friday. :)


god it's good.  you're teacher has good taste.

I would tend to fully agree besides fucking Empire of the Senseless, which has an interesting point but is still nearly incomprehensible and not at all worth reading, IMO.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 10:13:40 AM
i'm 70 pages into Dan Simmons's The Terror, a historical novel about a failed attempt to cross the norther passage

with added mention of a "white thing" in the snow

i thought it was going to basically be a polar bear but now I'm not so certain.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 10:14:24 AM
I'm working on downloading this right now:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3778378/Sci-fi_and_Fantasy_Library (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3778378/Sci-fi_and_Fantasy_Library)

It's a 5.83 GB torrent of a shitload of sci-fi and fantasy e-books. I'm sure I'll end up deleting 90% of it, but there are some great authors listed in there.

i like that there's some fritz leiber in there, but kind of curious as to why no john wyndham

it's the great ebook torrents out there that kind of made me wish i had a kindle
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 10:25:01 AM
Torrenting books is like really low. There are already so many legal ways to get books cheap/free.



well, project gutenberg is a great primary source of classics

there are some great readings available from that site

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tieno on February 12, 2009, 10:44:35 AM
How do you read them? On a computer screen?

I once tried reading a book on a computer screeen, couldn't get passed the first page. Local library is where I go.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 10:53:42 AM
So like really old stuff, thats cool I guess. Ill check it out once I have internet at home.

Personally I prefer a hardcopy of a book.

same, but the issue with books is that if it's out of print and has been for a while you tend to be out of luck unless you can find a used copy

as publishers have this thing called "returns" where a bookseller can send back unsold books for a refund after a period of time (where the books are then pulped) it's not like these things tend to stay on shelves for as long as you'd like

thankfully the internet makes things a bit easier in that regard but in others it's a bit nightmarish

i JUST found a copy of Graham Greene's This Gun for Hire, a book I'd only heard about previously randomly at The Strand, a huge used book store (boasting 18 miles of books) and he's an internationally famous writer.

Science Fiction and Fantasy are far worse for mid period classics.  Unless they were written be someone really,r eally, really well known, there is a HUGE chance that they may be long out of print.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 15, 2009, 11:28:39 AM
I read like two pages of Spinoza's Ethics yesterday.  Maybe I can go up to four today  :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 15, 2009, 11:58:11 AM
i'm about a quarter of the way through Dan Simmons's The Terror
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 15, 2009, 01:02:01 PM
underworld is supposed to be excellent but i haven't read it myself
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 01:03:36 PM
Blood Meridian is great. Definitely has some sentences that make you scratch your head, but overall the writing is rather poetic.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 15, 2009, 01:07:37 PM
also I finally get to read (almost) real Cicero.  I'm excited.   

http://books.google.ca/books?id=PZjMx41lnT8C&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=the+verres+scandal&source=bl&ots=TVyWsdoeU_&sig=GVRubG8b2hprKhCxY0_TY2kbg_A&hl=en&ei=Y1mYSZ6ZOYjINOvGtY8M&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA71,M1
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on February 15, 2009, 05:03:03 PM
I recently finished Let Me In which was terrifically amazing. Gonna start Slaughter House Five next.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 15, 2009, 07:39:26 PM
Reading Blood Meridian now and enjoying it quite a bit.
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Post by: drohne on February 15, 2009, 10:04:44 PM
libra's my favorite delillo. by far
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Post by: drohne on February 15, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
i realized that i don't even remember running dog that clearly -- i was just in the habit of saying it's my second-favorite delillo book. definitely read libra. it's like...the intensity gap between that book and delillo generally is as big as the intensity gap between delillo and contemporary novelists generally
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2009, 10:31:12 PM
Still reading through The Dirty Pair Strike Again. It's a really short book, but it's going to take me over a year to finish.  :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: drohne on February 15, 2009, 11:18:17 PM
bloom isn't especially hostile to genre fiction anyway -- i know he's written about ursula leguin
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: lennedsay on February 16, 2009, 02:26:54 AM
Anyone else reading Pub 17 from the IRS? I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

 :piss Tax season :piss2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 17, 2009, 03:59:27 AM
Blood Meridian is great. Definitely has some sentences that make you scratch your head, but overall the writing is rather poetic.

That's something I really liked about The Road. Parts of it were like reading T.S. Eliot in novel form.

I've heard so much good stuff about The Road that I'll have to grab it. However, I'm unwilling to read it and play Fallout 3 concurrently, else I start to disbelieve that the real world exists.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 17, 2009, 04:00:12 AM
Still reading through The Dirty Pair Strike Again. It's a really short book, but it's going to take me over a year to finish.  :'(

Is that the Adam Warren one? I like his take on the pair better than the original series, most days.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 17, 2009, 09:56:46 AM
Still reading through The Dirty Pair Strike Again. It's a really short book, but it's going to take me over a year to finish.  :'(

Is that the Adam Warren one? I like his take on the pair better than the original series, most days.

No, what I'm reading is the original light novel by Haruka Takachiho. The writing's straightforward and simple, but it's 80's scifi so you know it's good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 17, 2009, 01:42:17 PM
sweet.  my copy of All Heads Turn When The Hunt Goes By came in the mail today.

Quote
ALL HEADS TURN WHEN THE HUNT GOES BY

(1977)

            In 1942, Clipper Bradwin, a promising young army officer from a wealthy family, plans to marry a socially prominent heiress. The lavish ceremony, which takes place at an exclusive Southern military academy, is disrupted by the mysterious ringing of a silent bell, an apparent earthquake, and the bridegroom's sudden attack of sabre-wielding homicidal mania. Although Clipper, his bride, and his demagogue father are killed, his brother Champ and young mother-in-law Nhora survive. Two years later, Champ returns shattered from the War in the Pacific to Dasharoons, the huge family plantation, accompanied by Jackson Holley, a mysterious English doctor. The tragic events that follow are traced back to unpleasant experiences Jackson and Nhora had while younger at the hands of an obscure African tribe, and a race riot-cum-massacre in which Champ's father was dishonourably involved. Farris weaves a powerful and complicated story, and delivers the best modern treatment of the lamia and voodoo themes in horror literature. The novel reflects the author's interest in Africa, the military, social history and America's power elite, as also examined in his Catacombs (1982), Son of the Endless Night (1985), and Wildwood (1987).

 

No frills: All Heads Turn When the Hunt Goes By is a unique horror novel; the strongest single work yet produced by the field's most powerful individual voice.

The title countermands the phony melodramatics of drippy gerunds or the exhausted syllabary of horror's titular cliches: dark or blood or night this or that.

"This house was built on the bodies and blood of Africans," notes the half-breed prophet of the resurgent goddess Ai-da Wedo -- a "ravishing serpent woman who waxed and grew powerful as a consequence of É sexual desire." This house is Dasharoons, wellspring of three generations of Bradwins, a sprawling Southern estate still going strong at the close of America's age of slavery. Farris' strongest theme is cultural collision, represented in the collaboration of pedigree that is Little Judge -- half Bradwin, half high priest of ancient African sorcery. Farris' juxtaposition of a partially-sunken Mississippi riverboat with a voodoo temple (secreted in the swamplands that are slowly swallowing the vessel) is the fulcrum image of this complex saga of deadly erotic obsession and racial karma debt repaid.

Far from "feel good" horror that restores order to the world by the final chapter, Farris prefers to concentrate on the evils people wreak upon themselves. The restoration of balance is not always a good or pretty thing, and the ultimately poisonous mingling of disparate cultures in All Heads Turn offers not even temporary respite -- regardless of allegiance, all of the characters are doomed. Apart from being a rare racial horror novel, the fatal magnetism of the Ai-da Wedo and of Nhora Bradwin for Jackson Holley and the cursed Bradwin clan make All Heads Turn the finest modern sexual horror novel yet written.

Most fiction employing Haitian or African magic boils down to elementary vengeance-via-voodoo, or a procedural "how-to" story about little more than its own occult research. The novel's plot is a finely tangled viper's nest of incidents into which Farris has not only deftly braided the voodoo, but dovetailed two fascinating bloodlines united by a common past. The horror elements and the character narrative are inextricably interdependent.

The succinct prose artfully forms instantaneous brain pictures for the reader. Clipper's aborted wedding turns hallucinogenic as the stuffy formalities skew into a surgically dispassionate slaughter. Farris never wallows in artificially inflated detail or masturbatory excess, yet his writing is always unflinching, specific, precise. He is not terrified of good sex between adults, or confused by it, as most of his contemporaries seem to be. The veracity of his erotic passages serves well this book's unusual story, which redefines "love" and presents to us a compelling aberrancy as pure as a genetic mutation. The closing scenes, symmetrically recapitulating the wedding which opens the book, are surreal and hypnotic. The web pulls taut and knots tight. The end is unforgettable, the blackest of fade-outs, a conclusion whose potency does not pale with repeated readings.

Farris claims that he "hated every page" of All Heads Turn while it was in-work, and that "up until the last night [of writing], I had no idea how it was going to end." That night, ironically, preceded his marriage to his second wife, and today he notes the book as his personal favorite among his own novels. "There's nothing that I've seen or heard about that's remotely like it," he says.

Likewise, when Farris is on high-burn, no one can match the skill with which he puts words together. All Heads Turn When the Hunt Goes By is conclusive proof. Period.

-- David J. Schow
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Post by: Eric P on February 23, 2009, 02:32:16 PM
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All writers are grave robbers, but genre fiction writers are the most brazen of all. Of necessity, to write a romance or mystery or horror story means sticking to the narrow confines of a formulaic plot; exhuming stock character types; and, generally, digging up literary turf that's been worked and reworked to the point of exhaustion. :smug



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101032788&ft=1&f=1032

my reaction:

 ???
 ::)
 :-\

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2009, 02:37:05 PM
She starts an article by slamming genre fiction and then praising that as a rare exception to the rule?

Really?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 23, 2009, 02:44:36 PM
i'm about a quarter of the way through Dan Simmons's The Terror
:hyper

This was actually gonna be the book I was planning to pick up next.

How is it? I just finished Olympos and was thinking of picking it up. I've only read those + the Hyperions (which blew mah mind), but I really like the idea that he writes in different genres.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 23, 2009, 02:47:22 PM
Quote
Drood is a giddy scare fest, but to tell you the truth, around page 600 or so, it became a bit wearying, like listening to someone shriek for hours and hours. Maybe that's why I was receptive to turning to tales about calm, controlled vampires in the rainy Northwest; in other words, I finally decided to investigate what all the fuss is about Stephenie Meyer's Twilight series. Everyone is reading these novels: from all the girls in my daughter's fifth-grade class to most of my college students and their parents. The Twilight series — which is composed of four novels about a 17-year-old human high school student named Bella Swan and her boyfriend, Edward Cullen, who is a vampire — even has been credited, along with the Harry Potter books, by the National Endowment for the Arts for boosting American reading statistics this past year. I've read two of the novels in the series so far and, I confess, I have joined the legions of the bitten and smitten.

Perhaps, madam, you are unqualified to review Genre works because you love that Twilight broke out of the horror genre, but had absolutely no problem with the books inability to do anything new with romance.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 23, 2009, 02:50:07 PM
Oh god, why did I click that link and see her present Dan Simmons and mutha-uckin Stephenie Meyer as equal examples of genre defiers. I want to be sick.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 23, 2009, 02:54:44 PM
i'm about a quarter of the way through Dan Simmons's The Terror
:hyper

This was actually gonna be the book I was planning to pick up next.

How is it? I just finished Olympos and was thinking of picking it up. I've only read those + the Hyperions (which blew mah mind), but I really like the idea that he writes in different genres.



i'm only about 700 pages in out of 950, and aside from a few minor quibbles with specific character interactions that don't ring true along with a few expository dialogue moments, like

"...as i was told by babbage"

"charles babbage? the man who made a kind of machine for computing?"

"yes"

it's really well done and very worth reading
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 23, 2009, 03:07:08 PM
i'm about a quarter of the way through Dan Simmons's The Terror
:hyper

This was actually gonna be the book I was planning to pick up next.

How is it? I just finished Olympos and was thinking of picking it up. I've only read those + the Hyperions (which blew mah mind), but I really like the idea that he writes in different genres.



i'm only about 700 pages in out of 950, and aside from a few minor quibbles with specific character interactions that don't ring true along with a few expository dialogue moments, like

"...as i was told by babbage"

"charles babbage? the man who made a kind of machine for computing?"

"yes"

it's really well done and very worth reading
I can kinda see that. His shoe-horning of literary discussion/criticism into his hyperion/illium books were mostly successful and enjoyable, but shoe-horned nonetheless. Probably even more enjoyable to an English major rather than an Engineer like myself.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 23, 2009, 03:12:52 PM
yeah, considering the origins of those works (the illiad and canterbury tales), I can see that.

There are very few authors who i think can successfully toss that stuff in and keep me enraptured the entire time.

Neal Stephenson is the first one which springs to mind.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2009, 03:23:30 PM
I've been reading The Eye Book by Dr. Seuss to my son before bed. I think it's time to switch books since I just point at the pictures and he basically says what the book says.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: aenoble on February 23, 2009, 10:22:53 PM
Still reading Blood Meridian, which is awesome. Awesome and confusing; I'm constantly looking things up and re-reading passages.

Awesome to hear this is good. I'm starting to read it for my modern lit class on Friday. :)


god it's good.  you're teacher has good taste.

I would tend to fully agree besides fucking Empire of the Senseless, which has an interesting point but is still nearly incomprehensible and not at all worth reading, IMO.

I have to do a presentation on Kathy Acker and Empire of the Senseless sometime next month. Just started it and it doesn't seem too bad. I'm looking forward to reading Blood Meridian once I find the time though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 23, 2009, 10:34:58 PM
Still reading Blood Meridian, which is awesome. Awesome and confusing; I'm constantly looking things up and re-reading passages.

Awesome to hear this is good. I'm starting to read it for my modern lit class on Friday. :)


god it's good.  you're teacher has good taste.

I would tend to fully agree besides fucking Empire of the Senseless, which has an interesting point but is still nearly incomprehensible and not at all worth reading, IMO.

I have to do a presentation on Kathy Acker and Empire of the Senseless sometime next month. Just started it and it doesn't seem too bad. I'm looking forward to reading Blood Meridian once I find the time though.


How far in are you? Once you get further in it gets pretty fucking awful. I'm about halfway into Blood Meridian, absolutely loving the writing, even through the "boring" parts.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on February 23, 2009, 11:07:00 PM
Someone post some good Post-Apocalyptic Adventure books. I'm looking into The Road.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 23, 2009, 11:25:14 PM
The Kraken Wakes by John Wyndham
The Crystal World
The Sheep Look Up
The Drive In, The Drive In 2 - Joe R Lansdale
Alas, Babylon
A Canticle for Leibowitz

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on February 23, 2009, 11:40:23 PM
Oh god, I love you both :bow
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2009, 01:33:49 AM
The Kraken Wakes by John Wyndham
The Crystal World
The Sheep Look Up
The Drive In, The Drive In 2 - Joe R Lansdale
Alas, Babylon
A Canticle for Leibowitz


No Day of the Triffids?! (by Wyndham)

That scared the bejesus out of my 12 yr old self.

edit: oh, and awesome taste, as ever. Didn't mean to come off as critical in any way  :-*
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 24, 2009, 02:55:33 AM
Blood Meridian is awesome, but I'm going to have to read something else to distract myself before I go to bed.

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Getting into some heavy gunfighting sections. They were scalping indians before, and NOW Mexicans, just for the fuck of it. And they rode on. And the judge scalped 28 Mexicans. And they rode on. Also, the Chihuahua section was pretty funny, IMO.
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I'm going to read more McCarthy after this, the writing is simply beautiful, at least aside from the unbelievable spurts of violence throughout. The lack of much punctuation is also interesting, considering the pervasive use of the phrase "and they rode on" after nearly every situation, but I've been told it's the same with McCarthy's other books, which may or may not deal with similar themes.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 09:57:14 AM
The Kraken Wakes by John Wyndham
The Crystal World
The Sheep Look Up
The Drive In, The Drive In 2 - Joe R Lansdale
Alas, Babylon
A Canticle for Leibowitz


No Day of the Triffids?! (by Wyndham)

That scared the bejesus out of my 12 yr old self.

edit: oh, and awesome taste, as ever. Didn't mean to come off as critical in any way  :-*

to me, triffids was lead character flees to somewhere, listens to either political or philosophical speech flees to hear another speech, flees to hear another speech.  it was the post-apocalyptic political primer version of bad DnD novelizations. 

The Kraken Wakes is a far, far, FAR better book, I think, because it takes the same tack, but blends it in a bit more so that you're not inundated by wall of monologue.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 09:59:28 AM
edit: Lucifer's Hammer is also quite good.  I bought it as a kid because I was impressed with the title (i was metal) but the actual book it self is zomgawesome for the most part.  There are some quibbles, and it does seem like (The Stand - Captain Trips - Evil) + Comet = Lucifer's Hammer at times, but it's well worth reading.

I'm kind of surprised we don't have any great apocalytic fiction from continental jews post WW2.

And also, Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tauntaun on February 24, 2009, 10:06:33 AM
(i was metal)

Once it's in your blood, it's in for good.  :rock
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 10:07:57 AM
(i was metal)

Once it's in your blood, it's in for good.  :rock

this past weekend I did a dramatic reading of the lyrics to the entire Death Album "Scream Bloody Gore"

Regurgitated Guts was a crowd favorite
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tauntaun on February 24, 2009, 10:14:46 AM
(i was metal)

Once it's in your blood, it's in for good.  :rock

this past weekend I did a dramatic reading of the lyrics to the entire Death Album "Scream Bloody Gore"

Regurgitated Guts was a crowd favorite

:lol  ..... ahem, laughing isn't brootal unless it's laughing at your burnt enemy while you piss on them.    :maf  :rock

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:-*  :tauntaun
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 10:39:04 AM
a friend asked "why are these lyrics like this?"

i replied "they were eighteen year olds in floridia in the 80s"
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tauntaun on February 24, 2009, 11:48:21 AM
a friend asked "why are these lyrics like this?"

i replied "they were eighteen year olds in floridia in the 80s"

nuff said.  Fortunately everything from then on were lyrics about real life situations. 

:bow Chuck Schuldiner :bow2    :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 12:18:13 PM
i need to get the other albums.

if only to worry my roommate.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tauntaun on February 24, 2009, 12:39:12 PM
i need to get the other albums.

if only to worry my roommate.

I could wear my Death shirt and come over and we could all just sit there and I'll stare at him and sip some red wine and say "I like red wine because it looks like blood and no one questions whether it's actually red wine in there or blood."  Then I'll sip and show him a knife.   :-*
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 12:54:21 PM
she's australian so she'll be all like "that's not a knife" and then she'll stab you in the face.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tauntaun on February 24, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
she's australian so she'll be all like "that's not a knife" and then she'll stab you in the face.

That's brutal.

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on February 26, 2009, 03:47:59 AM
I'm totally taking down the suggestions but I'm also going to pick up The Neverending Story (original written work). I heard the movies diverges heavily from the book itself. Is the book any good (as in it would appeal to an adult too)?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 09:02:43 AM
finally finished the terror

the last 60 pages present such a huge shift in the book and it becomes just absolutely amazing

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 10:49:19 AM
currently reading Tim Lucas's Throat Sprockets
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Enl on February 26, 2009, 09:05:34 PM
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c296/SamSawyr/Happy%20Fun/n227703.jpg)

Only 60 pages in and so far it's pretty close to the film. The characters in the book are obviously more disturbed than how they are portrayed in the film. The biggest difference is how fucked up Hanak (Eli's go-getter) is and his twisted "love" relationship with Eli. So far it's a good read, though at times it can be a bit awkward, probably due to the translation.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2009, 09:22:52 PM
Just finished World War Z, now I'm reading The Yiddish Policemen's Union
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 26, 2009, 09:44:35 PM
Just finished. 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/WhatIsIntelligence.jpg)

Was alright.  Fell apart in the last 20 pages or so though.  Malek would probably like it. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: aenoble on February 28, 2009, 11:53:50 AM
Hey BMB, how's WWZ?

Still reading Blood Meridian, which is awesome. Awesome and confusing; I'm constantly looking things up and re-reading passages.

Awesome to hear this is good. I'm starting to read it for my modern lit class on Friday. :)


god it's good.  you're teacher has good taste.

I would tend to fully agree besides fucking Empire of the Senseless, which has an interesting point but is still nearly incomprehensible and not at all worth reading, IMO.

I have to do a presentation on Kathy Acker and Empire of the Senseless sometime next month. Just started it and it doesn't seem too bad. I'm looking forward to reading Blood Meridian once I find the time though.


How far in are you? Once you get further in it gets pretty fucking awful. I'm about halfway into Blood Meridian, absolutely loving the writing, even through the "boring" parts.

A little over a hundred pages in now and I agree. I can't wait until this and the presentation I have to do are over.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 28, 2009, 12:16:57 PM
I'm doing double duty between Teatro Grottesco and Throat Sprockets.

Throat Sprockets is really rough going because of the dense and disjointed nature of much of its content

Teatro Grottesco is also rough going because of the nature of the content.  Ligotti is amazing, even when he's infantile, like in The Clown Puppet.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Propagandhim on February 28, 2009, 12:46:32 PM
Just finished. 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/WhatIsIntelligence.jpg)

Was alright.  Fell apart in the last 20 pages or so though.  Malek would probably like it. 

I read this.  It's a good counterpoint to the Bell Curve..but you can tell he's spreading it thin when he discusses the twin studies.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on March 01, 2009, 11:39:53 PM
Throat Sprockets by Tim Lucas is currently one of the most affecting books I've yet read.

many of its details on obsession are deeply unsettling because i can see myself on the fringes of the behavior discussed.

i'm amazed this book is out of print
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ch1nchilla on March 02, 2009, 02:31:58 AM
Just started up Watchmen while finishing up Blood Meridian, and reading What I Talk About When I Talk About Running by Haruki Murakami on the side as a "relaxation" book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on March 02, 2009, 10:19:47 AM
i finished reading throat sprockets last night/this morning and was then awake for like another hour just thinking about it.

excellent first novel, but there were a few things i would have changed because they were a little too cute.

one, the name of the automobile he was working on, The Necromancer.  It's a horrid name for a car and the cutesy aspect of it ("neck romancer.  GET IT!?  GET IT!?") kind of took me out of the story each time it came up because it was so obvious.  And the moral organization which arises due to the public nature of the fetish was named STOKER.  I can't recall what i stood for, but it's a fairly laborious twisting of words to get the acronym to work.

I also felt the ending, which incredibly good, committed a cardinal sin of "laying everything out succinctly" with regards to the mystery film while keeping nearly everything else vague in the seemingly apocalyptic  coda.

But seriously, if you're a fan of transgressive novels or psychological horror novels, then i suggest you take a look at this.  You can generally find it for under $15 used through Amazon or ebay.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on March 02, 2009, 10:28:00 AM
but seriously, the book kept me re-reading bits of it to make certain i was grasping what was not being said, because at times it was more important than what WAS being said.

This morning on the train i started a quirky Science Fiction book called Outrageous Fortune, which so far reads like a lesser Hitchhiker's Guide.  The book opens in the future when a man has his house stolen, is pursued by a woman attempting to sell him encyclopedias, and lives in a city which is divided and grouped by musical genres.  he lives in chillout.

i'm only about 30 pages in but i don't know if i'm going to stick with it.  the tone just seems a bit off.  there's no weight to anything yet, the author just seems to be making it up as he goes alone.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Greatness Gone on March 03, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
Finally read Animal Farm. Decided that I'm not that into allegorical related anything, really.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Snuflupagulus on March 03, 2009, 08:24:05 PM
Anyone attempt 2666 or know anyone that has?

Just started up Watchmen while finishing up Blood Meridian, and reading What I Talk About When I Talk About Running by Haruki Murakami on the side as a "relaxation" book.

Enjoying the Murakami book? 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on March 03, 2009, 08:37:27 PM
Ghengis and I are fans of Bolano.  He bought it, but don't know if he's yet read it.

I haven't bought it because I'm cheap and waiting for the trade.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Snuflupagulus on March 03, 2009, 08:54:15 PM
Ghengis and I are fans of Bolano.  He bought it, but don't know if he's yet read it.

I haven't bought it because I'm cheap and waiting for the trade.

A hardcover that heavy would dent my chest Asperger's-style.  And yeah, I'm cheap, too.  Still tempting, though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Rman on March 04, 2009, 02:05:09 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
article on the popularity of swedish crime fiction

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aOU7tAhVjiMs&refer=home

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 21, 2009, 06:21:33 PM
I just finished A Canticle for Leibowitz and oh... man. What a powerful ending, the imagery, what it all led too, absolutely amazing. I cried a lil'.

Don't click the spoiler if you plan on reading this at some point

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The euthanasia debate, the final abbot trying his hardest to get the woman to not commit "suicide", his inner dialog when inching towards death, man always striving towards Eden... the 3rd portion of the book was just mind blowing good and insightful. I honsetly dont' think I've ever read a book that ended so strongly or that impacted me that much.
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I'm not well read when it comes to religion in general so this is definitely a book I think I'll enjoy reading again if I ever sit down and read about the origins and beliefs of Catholicism in depth. I know the basics you learn as a child in a family thats semi - religious but I could tell there were more layers that I hadn't picked up.

Thanks again for recommending this book Eric P!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Lafiel on March 21, 2009, 08:06:32 PM
Currently reading - Cryptonomicon by neal stephenson - 100 pages in, this might be the hardest stephenson book to read so far. (i've read the diamond age & snow crash), alot of the details about mathematics and crap are totally flying over my head. :lol
Might haft to do some research before i start reading this book again. :-\
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Draft on March 21, 2009, 08:12:08 PM
Finally finished Infinite Jest.

Fuck David Foster Wallace's dead ass. End your Goddamn novel, scumbag.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2009, 09:22:59 PM
Currently reading - Cryptonomicon by neal stephenson - 100 pages in, this might be the hardest stephenson book to read so far. (i've read the diamond age & snow crash), alot of the details about mathematics and crap are totally flying over my head. :lol
Might haft to do some research before i start reading this book again. :-\


it gets a lot harder in that category.

i used to read that book once a year for like 4 years straight because it was my favorite of the stephenson books.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on March 22, 2009, 02:09:53 PM
I am currently reading a short history called The Ruin of J Robert Oppenheimer, which is about the building of the thermonuclear bomb.  This is a fascinating segment of post-war history and it's a goddamn shame what we did to the men who didn't want to help America build a genocidal weapon.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 22, 2009, 06:07:06 PM
Ulysses *smh*
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on March 25, 2009, 10:57:45 PM
Just finished Vernor Vinge's "Fast Times at Fairmont High" - lots of typically good Vinge ideas wrapped around YA-accessible text. A quick read. Also reading "A Year in the Linear City" by Paul di Filipo; the shift to the density of text and vocabulary in this has left me floored, but I'm beginning to be hooked.

Also reading "Hard Candy" by Andrew Vacchs. I've enjoyed other Burke books, but the text is coming of dated and posing in this one.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Don Flamenco on March 25, 2009, 11:03:59 PM
American Psycho.  The movie follows it amazingly closely, but as usual, the book is better.

Ulysses *smh*

I'd rather stick a hot poker up my ass, than read Ulysses :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 25, 2009, 11:34:59 PM
American Psycho.  The movie follows it amazingly closely, but as usual, the book is better.

I'd rather stick a hot poker up my ass, than read Ulysses :lol
Apart from length, the other factor is that it's far too clever for it's own good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Diunx on March 25, 2009, 11:42:36 PM
Battle Pope.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 06:34:14 PM
I just finished reading David Peace's FUCK AWESOME Nineteen Seventy-Four, which is about a failed crime reporter's return to the den of corruption which is his home town.  It's not about the mystery, which is almost treated as an afterthought to everything else, but it's rather about personal success and failure and it's taken as a direct parallel to Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four.  A parallel I didn't get until the book was almost done and then when it clicked it clicked fucking HARD.  This is a great book which was just put out by Vintage / Black Lizard in a new edition.  The second book in the four book "series" (tonal series rather than sequential series) comes out next month.

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From the very first page of David Peace's first novel, 1974, it soon becomes clear that something is rotten in the state of Yorkshire: a young girl is missing. The Yorkshire Post's young but disillusioned crime correspondent, Edward Dunford, is assigned to the story, while also coping with the recent death of his father and his return to his native Yorkshire after a brief and unsuccessful stint in Fleet Street. For the jaded Dunford, it's just another story; the only intrigue is whether the girl will be found dead or alive before Christmas--that is, until she is discovered brutally murdered, face down in a ditch with a pair of swan's wings sewn into her back. As Dunford follows the case, he begins to make a series of terrifying connections with a string of child murders, plunging him into a gut-wrenching nightmare of corruption, violence, sadism, blackmail, and sexual obsession--from the upper echelons of local government to the tacky heart of Yorkshire darkness.

As Peace's tale of corruption and conspiracy unravels, it becomes clear that 1974 is as influenced by Orwell's own bleak vision of Britain in 1984 as it is by the wonderfully evoked atmosphere of the mid '70s. The Bay City Rollers, Leeds United, It Ain't Half Hot Mum, and Vauxhall Viva's all make an appearance. The novel works at several levels, from the brilliantly unsentimental homecoming of the gifted, alienated northern son to a terrifyingly accurate portrayal of an insular, tribal community. The plot is complex and frenetic, and Peace often neglects loose ends, especially as he builds to an extremely powerful climax. Yet the dialogue is fast, witty, and violent; a must-read for fans of Yorkshire Gothic. --Jerry Brotton --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

(https://www.infinitas.com.au/ProductImages/9780307455086.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 30, 2009, 07:06:20 PM
I've been reading Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. Pretty awesome book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 07:06:44 PM
I've been reading Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. Pretty awesome book.

yeah it's great fun.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 30, 2009, 07:25:57 PM
Ulysses -still. I told myself I wasn't going to buy another book until I finished the previous one I bought  :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 07:34:26 PM
Out by Natsuo Kirino

i really, really like her.

they wanted to do out as a comedy starring gina davis.  there was a more serious but seriously abysmal japanese movie based on the book
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kestastrophe on April 30, 2009, 09:18:03 PM
I finished World War Z yesterday and earlier this month I finished The Lords of Finance by Liaquat Ahmed. I will be starting God, Guns, Germs, etc. next and then I might read The Great Influenza due to the timeliness of the subject matter. I have 2 Iain Banks novels that I haven't started yet either.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 30, 2009, 09:48:07 PM
Out by Natsuo Kirino


great book.  Check out Miyuki Miyabe's "All She Was Worth" if you like out

I didn't like Grotesque so much though...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on May 01, 2009, 03:48:37 AM
I finished World War Z yesterday and earlier this month I finished The Lords of Finance by Liaquat Ahmed. I will be starting God, Guns, Germs, etc. next and then I might read The Great Influenza due to the timeliness of the subject matter. I have 2 Iain Banks novels that I haven't started yet either.

What'd you think of World War Z? I was kind of underwhelmed, after all the hype.
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There were a couple of neat insights, and it's a reasonably fresh treatment on zombies, but taking it from the "war is over" moment as a retrospective robs it of all suspense.
Note: It's only a spoiler if you count things which show up in the Author's Forward as a potential spoiler.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 01, 2009, 08:11:17 AM
What'd you think of World War Z? I was kind of underwhelmed, after all the hype.
It was alright, but it definitely wore its welcome. It was very well thought out and  I loved how he tied in politics into the story. I can't say I was expecting much, since it was the first zombie book that I've read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on May 01, 2009, 10:24:37 AM
Christ, dude. You are busy banging your way around the world, and the women send you books in return? Life must be pretty good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on May 02, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
I just bought a couple books to read over the summer:

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(http://www.lastwordbooks.org/images/cat%27s%20cradle.jpg)

What Vonnegut books should I read after Cat's Cradle? I already read Breakfast of Champions and I really enjoyed that.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 02, 2009, 01:08:03 PM
The only book I ever found actually unreadable was Catch-22...I've tried getting through it multiple times but it's tone just completely wears me down by about the 100th page, and this comes as someone who gravitates to that sort of thing. (I've liked his other books)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Rman on May 02, 2009, 01:24:53 PM
On Food and Cooking.  It's going to take me a bit, since it is really a reference book, and The Talent Code.  I'm a big reader of business and management books, weirdly. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Don Flamenco on May 02, 2009, 07:15:32 PM
getting started on these two:
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Should be interesting...I'm looking into taking slices of anti-intellectualism and applying them to our ridiculously written laws...

(http://media.us.macmillan.com/jackets/500H/9781403967060.jpg)

OMG I HOEP THEY TALK ABOUT ANIME KAWAIIIII ^_^;;;;;;;;;;;

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 02, 2009, 09:49:28 PM
I tried reading through Earth Abides but the section about Ish hitting Kentucky (or some similar state) and saying he could live like a king among the blacks sort of turned me off.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on May 02, 2009, 10:40:59 PM
uh really?

that's been sitting on my shelf for like a year to be read now

the worst "casual racism" i think i've encountered was in The Devil Rides out wherein the educated whites and an asian have a long conversation about "good blacks" and "bad blacks" and how the whites would be able to tell the difference because they'd traveled the world
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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 02, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
Jesus :/

But yeah, its a small section but the writer portrays the black family as bumbling and nervous around Ish (a white man). He praises the family for living off the land but its sort of backhanded (them being simple and all, should come naturally!).
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Post by: Eric P on May 04, 2009, 02:30:41 PM
now reading Use of Weapons
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Post by: Cyanista on May 04, 2009, 02:54:49 PM
I really liked World War Z, though not as much as I liked the Zombie Survival Guide.

Right now I'm reading The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan and The Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand and a bunch of other hacks...

Can't wait to be done with Rand so I can start on the Nicomachean Ethics.
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Post by: Eric P on May 04, 2009, 04:58:34 PM
now reading Use of Weapons
:hyper

GF just wrapped The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers who wrote Reflections in a Golden Eye, which is about sexual perversion on an Army Base.  I asked to read that so I have to put UoW on hold for now
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 04, 2009, 05:04:09 PM
scattered switching between michel foucault's "the birth of the clinic" and r. scott bakker's "the aspect-emperor" which makes for some pretty schizo late evenings
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Post by: Eric P on May 06, 2009, 11:57:33 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/IainMBanksUseofWeapons.jpg)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2009, 12:25:46 PM
Right now I'm trying to finally finish Neuromancer. I started it a long time [like two years ago], but I still haven't finished it. Maybe someday...
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Post by: Eric P on May 06, 2009, 01:09:44 PM
welcome to the monkey house
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Post by: Kestastrophe on May 06, 2009, 02:01:33 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/IainMBanksUseofWeapons.jpg)
That's what I am reading now as well. I started God, Guns, Germs and Steel but I did not like the environmental deterministic tone so I stopped for now. omg, the beginning chapters of Use of Weapons are good
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Post by: ch1nchilla on May 07, 2009, 02:58:52 AM
Starting up Bret Easton Ellis' Rules of Attraction. Am excited, loved the movie and read American Psycho about a month ago.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on May 07, 2009, 03:03:10 AM
Starting up Bret Easton Ellis' Rules of Attraction. Am excited, loved the movie and read American Psycho about a month ago.


what'd you think of American Psycho compared to the movie? 

I was little surprised at how little I got out of the first 200 pages or so of the book, since the movie did such a good job (not a slight on the book at all, more like if I had seen/read one or the other first, it would have cancelled out the other, if that makes any sense.)  there were only a few key scenes in the book that expanded his character at all for me, actually.    

looking forward to reading more of his stuff later, but I just ordered about 8 new books....


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Post by: cubicle47b on May 07, 2009, 09:26:09 AM
The Judging Eye (Aspect Emperor) by Bakker.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on May 07, 2009, 07:19:43 PM
The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco
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Post by: Akala on May 07, 2009, 08:29:14 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/1zyfx9k.jpg)
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Post by: ch1nchilla on May 12, 2009, 01:01:12 AM
Starting up Bret Easton Ellis' Rules of Attraction. Am excited, loved the movie and read American Psycho about a month ago.


what'd you think of American Psycho compared to the movie? 

I was little surprised at how little I got out of the first 200 pages or so of the book, since the movie did such a good job (not a slight on the book at all, more like if I had seen/read one or the other first, it would have cancelled out the other, if that makes any sense.)  there were only a few key scenes in the book that expanded his character at all for me, actually.    

looking forward to reading more of his stuff later, but I just ordered about 8 new books....




I read the book almost a year after watching the movie, so the movie really only "augmented" the novel for me, if that. I was somewhat disappointed with the exclusion of a LOT of things, and the film seems to only cover the first half or so of the novel, so that was disappointing as well. I'm almost finished with The Rules of Attraction right now, and from what I've read so far I can say that the film is almost an *exact* adaptation. Very good stuff, although I'd recommend reading the book first to get a better bearing of what's going on.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on May 12, 2009, 02:32:05 AM
He seems a little more human in the book to me.  Patrick Bateman in the movie is a little more larger-than-life.  The visual influence is heavy too in the murder scenes.  Towards the end of the book, I was skipping through large chunks of the murder scenes,
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since I pretty much stopped believing in them
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.  I guess that's the weirdest and coolest part about the book/movie--
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whether he's really committing all that stuff is up to the reader and either way you want to read it has support, though both interpretations have completely different meanings.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2009, 02:42:57 AM
(http://astormofwords.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/light.jpg)

(http://esvaziando.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/illuminatus1.jpg)
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Post by: Reb on May 12, 2009, 04:41:03 AM
The Unbearable Lightness of Being, I don't know what to think of it yet.
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Post by: duckman2000 on May 12, 2009, 04:46:16 AM
The Crow Road
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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 12, 2009, 08:17:50 AM
I tried to take out Book 3 of the Gunslinger series but it wasn't at the library. So I ended up getting The Shining. Man, Stephen King is fucking great. I'm 200 pages in and the slow rise to anger/madness within Jack is amazingly written. Also Danny isn't a seizure prone mute like in the movie. I love his perspective in the book.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on May 12, 2009, 09:02:53 AM
Dan Simmons' The Terror
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Post by: Eric P on May 12, 2009, 09:49:26 AM
and now to anger Patel:

"Use of Weapons was pretty good, but the whole chair and big twist at the end were really pedantic.  i can see if you read mostly sci-fi how this would be revolutionary but it's not in other genres like the Gothics or centuries of horror and darker fantasy works.  it's well written and the time divergent structure was really, really good except for a few bits, but really, everyone going 'TEH CHARE!!!!!!' really overplayed that aspect.  Ian Banks also failed to fully capitalize on the elements which led to that for the sake of his final pages really misfiring the whole plot point even further"

I'm currently reading The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers  written when she was twenty-three.  Jesus what have I been doing with my life?
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Post by: ch1nchilla on May 12, 2009, 03:59:30 PM
(http://www.connectberlin.de/bookclub/wildswans.jpg)

I had to read this book for a class in high school, and it was intensely awful. Just sayin'.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 13, 2009, 04:01:18 PM
Finished the Shining am now reading The Dead Zone.
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Post by: chronovore on May 14, 2009, 01:52:54 AM
Just started Watt's Blindsight, a Patel recommendation.
Reading on Stanza/iPod Touch thanks to the magic of free ebook wireless downloads on-the-fly.

Edit: Just finished Stross/Doctorow's Appeals Court (also free), which was fluffy and fun except when it wasn't. It's a lot like Hitchhiker's Guide, set in post-singularity America. I didn't enjoy the ending, as there was a big plothole left unexplained.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on May 14, 2009, 02:30:20 AM

(http://esvaziando.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/illuminatus1.jpg)

ahaha! I forgot all about this book.  I read the whole damn thing and I don't think I understood a word of it.  I was on lots of drugs at the time though.
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Post by: ch1nchilla on May 14, 2009, 03:33:41 AM
Just finished up 20th Century Boys vol 2. HOLY SHIT IT IS AWESOME. I WANT MORE. RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

Starting One Hundred Years of Solitude either tomorrow or this weekend.
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Post by: Eric P on May 18, 2009, 12:16:44 PM
:bow JOE R MOTHERFUCKING LANSDALE :bow2

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51tAHlLmVcL._SS500_.jpg)

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Novels in the mystery and suspense genres often get a bad rap, with aspirations to something other than the typical being overlooked, or at most touted as "transcending the genre." The second entry in Joe R. Lansdale's series starring Hap Collins and Leonard Pine, Mucho Mojo, is a book just like that.

When Leonard's uncle Chester dies, he inherits the old homeplace. This causes complex feelings in Leonard since Chester had disowned Leonard on learning that Leonard was gay. While he and Hap are fixing up the place, they discover a large wooden box in which is found a child's skeleton and a stash of child porn magazines. Despite the obvious circumstantial evidence, Hap urges Leonard to look into alternative explanations. Meanwhile, they meet up the drug dealers across the street, a local preacher with questionable motives, and the lovable MeMaw, Leonard's neighbor who always has time (and an open invitation) for a glass of tea.

In addition to the plot involving the secret murders of several of a small town's black children, Mucho Mojo investigates such heavy subjects as relationships -- whether black-white, man-woman, gay-straight, adult-child, young-old -- and racism. And all the while Lansdale delivers a cracker of a crime novel, with a terrific ending, that continues the story of the main characters as begun in Savage Season.

but you girly men continue to read your books about elves and ray guns and shit.
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 18, 2009, 12:20:33 PM
but you girly men continue to read your books about elves and ray guns and shit.

That's BOLT guns nukka!  :maf



 :-*

Just picked up:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xH6I3k0QL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
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Post by: ch1nchilla on May 19, 2009, 12:05:50 AM
Pluto is getting good. Need to go pick up volumes 2 and 3 tonight, but I probably will wait until tomorrow.

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The North No. 2 chapters made it enjoyable for me, I hope the story keeps this bitchin awesomeness up.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 19, 2009, 12:19:39 AM
I grabbed the Fellowship off of the bookcase while waiting for windows to reinstall today.  I'm now 100p in.  So much for doing work today.   :'(
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Post by: Eric P on May 19, 2009, 01:17:42 AM
Pluto is getting good. Need to go pick up volumes 2 and 3 tonight, but I probably will wait until tomorrow.

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The North No. 2 chapters made it enjoyable for me, I hope the story keeps this bitchin awesomeness up.
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i loved vol 2 of 20th cent boys
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Post by: ch1nchilla on May 19, 2009, 02:55:33 AM
Pluto is getting good. Need to go pick up volumes 2 and 3 tonight, but I probably will wait until tomorrow.

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The North No. 2 chapters made it enjoyable for me, I hope the story keeps this bitchin awesomeness up.
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i loved vol 2 of 20th cent boys

Yeah, I'm reading that as well. It's too bad they're bi-monthly.
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Post by: Eric P on May 19, 2009, 11:22:45 AM
at least they alternate!
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Post by: chronovore on May 19, 2009, 08:37:58 PM
I started re-reading GANTZ and ended up getting into it. I'd previously read through volume 15, at which point I was caught up and had to read weekly installments in Young Animal (or is it Young Jump?) and fell away. Now it's up to vol. 24 or 25, so I've got a little reading ahead of me. Luckily a media rental place across from my work does comic rentals for 90 yen a week.

Other Japan-bores: I've only seen this one shop do comic rentals. Is this common?

GANTZ is interesting in that it stays fairly realistic in depicting people's reactions while placing them in an insane situation. There's not a lot of melodrama, and people trying to be heroic are sometimes punished for their altruism brutally, and some situations are so overwhelming that even people trying for heroism sometimes flee in terror or freeze up.

Oku has been criticized for his overly dry, non-exaggerated rendering style, which is influenced toward the austere by his use of laying out every panel in a 3D CAD program, then tracing it. It does lend a cold, reserved, and somewhat photographic tone to the art, but I find that its very dryness lends to the believability and immersion, much like Lovecraft's first-person, reporterlike style in his mythos books.
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Post by: Bildi on May 20, 2009, 02:29:48 AM
Just finished:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Y28EDQVHL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

Fictional book about the airline industry based on stories from interviews with airline and ground staff.  Interesting light reading.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on May 25, 2009, 12:59:37 PM
Finished Use of Weapons. What a twist on the last five pages or so. It was a bit of a difficult read, not for the prose, but the structure was hard to follow.

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Is there motivation for why Emel assumed Zakalwe's identity? I feel like I missed something
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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 25, 2009, 02:47:17 PM
I'm reading Book 3 of the Gunslinger now
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Post by: Eric P on May 25, 2009, 04:05:47 PM
Finished Use of Weapons. What a twist on the last five pages or so. It was a bit of a difficult read, not for the prose, but the structure was hard to follow.

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Is there motivation for why Emel assumed Zakalwe's identity? I feel like I missed something
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attempt to redeem himself is my guess
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Post by: muckhole on May 25, 2009, 04:35:41 PM
Picked up:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YC4MVXGXL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU15_.jpg)
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Post by: Kestastrophe on May 25, 2009, 05:03:55 PM
Finished Use of Weapons. What a twist on the last five pages or so. It was a bit of a difficult read, not for the prose, but the structure was hard to follow.

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Is there motivation for why Emel assumed Zakalwe's identity? I feel like I missed something
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attempt to redeem himself is my guess
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that's what I thought. But why did he even go as far as making the bone chair? Was he just obsessed with besting Zakalwe?
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Post by: Eric P on May 25, 2009, 05:09:52 PM
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my guess was that he wanted to hurt them as badly as he could
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Post by: Eric P on May 26, 2009, 01:24:46 AM
have you read any stuff by david morrell?

he may also scratch that itch
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Post by: chronovore on May 26, 2009, 02:15:50 AM
I'm reading Snow Crash for the first time.  I'm actually almost finished it now, it's been a really enjoyable read.  After this, I'll probably go back to the Bond books.  They are my comfort food.

It's been a dog's age since I read any, but I recall the Gardner-written Bond books were quite good, and close in tone to the new, gadget-lite Bond of the Daniel Craig movies. Er, predating them, of course.
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Post by: ManaByte on May 26, 2009, 12:41:41 PM
Since it's Memorial Day and the 65th anniversary of D-Day all rolled into one two-week period:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EF0GVNPJL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-big,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TSZ22GWBL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-big,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
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Post by: Tauntaun on May 26, 2009, 01:04:44 PM
^ That looks cool.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LS8Sa%2BIhL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

:gun
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Post by: Reb on May 26, 2009, 06:20:21 PM
The Unbearable Lightness of Being, I don't know what to think of it yet.

So what you think now?

It was pretty good. It's very much about people and relationships, so it wasn't a traditional "exciting story" read, which I find easier to enjoy. It was filled with keen observations and great concepts, pretty impressive. Bit depressing how everybody was so oblivious to their partners real intentions.
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Post by: ch1nchilla on May 27, 2009, 12:29:50 AM
I kind of started One Hundred Years of Solitude, but I'm too distracted by copy of Norwegian Wood sitting on my table, which I haven't read in 3 or 4 years. That will have to come first.

For manga, I'm just now getting into Vol. 3 of Pluto. Enjoying it quite a bit, despite the totally fucking ridiculous attempts at humanizing robots.
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Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on May 27, 2009, 02:33:14 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51INCt-LQpL._SS500_.jpg)

Picked it up in LAX during a layover.   It took some time for me to get acclimated to the author's writting style but it won me over in the end.  Seems like a nice companion book to Fallout 3 - not that they share much in common other than a nuclear holocaust and the love between a father and his son - but it was enough to make a connection between the two.  Of course I'd been playing Fallout 3 again so maybe that had something to do with it too. :p
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Post by: Tieno on June 13, 2009, 05:15:02 PM
Recently finished this
(http://a4.vox.com/6a00d4143d5a7f685e010980c5fcf4000b-500pi)

Basically a history of science, of what we know and don't know. He also tells alot about the scientist themselves, in often humorous, weird and quirky anecdotes. It's so awe-inspiring, humbling and incredible. I love the chapters on biology, species, origins of life and evolution. He ends on a rather sad, cruel note...yet at the same time wonderfully and fascinatingly beautiful: a chapter on extinct species.

Very well written and put together, with great wit.

Bryson describes graphically and in layman's terms the size of the universe, and that of atoms and subatomic particles. He then explores the history of geology and biology, and traces life from its first appearance to today's modern humans, placing emphasis on the development of the modern Homo sapiens. Furthermore, he discusses the possibility of the Earth being struck by a meteor, and reflects on human capabilities of spotting a meteor before it impacts the Earth, and the extensive damage that such an event would cause. He also focuses on some of the most recent destructive disasters of volcanic origin in the history of our planet, including Krakatoa and Yellowstone National Park. A large part of the book is devoted to relating humorous stories about the scientists behind the research and discoveries and their sometimes eccentric behaviours. Bryson also speaks about modern scientific views on human effects on the Earth's climate and livelihood of other species, and the magnitude of natural disasters such as earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, and the mass extinctions caused by some of these events.
An illustrated edition of the book was released in November 2005



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If this book has a lesson, it is that we are awfully lucky to be here—and by “we” I mean every living thing. To attain any kind of life in this universe of ours appears to be quite an achievement. As humans we are doubly lucky, of course: We enjoy not only the privilege of existence but also the singular ability to appreciate it and even, in a multitude of ways, to make it better. It is a talent we have only barely begun to grasp.
We have arrived at this position of eminence in a stunningly short time. Behaviorally modern human beings—that is, people who can speak and make art and organize complex activities—have existed for only about 0.0001 percent of Earth’s history. But surviving for even that little while has required a nearly endless string of good fortune.
We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. And that, almost certainly, will require a good deal more than lucky breaks.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on June 13, 2009, 08:00:00 PM
I haven't picked it up yet, but this is going to be next on my list:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RtznSRTAL._SS500_.jpg)

There was even a glowing review in WSJ by none other than Burton Malkiel
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Post by: BlueTsunami on June 13, 2009, 08:24:15 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3364/3611896363_16c226750a.jpg)
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Post by: chronovore on June 13, 2009, 09:01:55 PM
Finished Use of Weapons. What a twist on the last five pages or so. It was a bit of a difficult read, not for the prose, but the structure was hard to follow.

I'ma have to read Use of Weapons next, I think. I barely avoided reading the spoiler in replying to this (wheee~!) and eventually I'm just going to tumble into something that'll spoil, what I hear, to be Banks' best book in a so-far excellent sequence.

If you like twists, try his non-SF Wasp Factory.

Currently reading Charley Stross' Scratch Monkey, which differs in the rest of his work in that it's NOT VERY GOOD. Man, I loves me some Stross, but this work needed an editor like no-one's business.
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Post by: Reb on June 14, 2009, 04:50:34 PM
@Tieno: awesome book!

I just finished Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Really liked it, more than the movie.
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Post by: OptimoPeach on June 17, 2009, 08:04:41 AM
I'm planning on going back to school this fall and I haven't really read anything of substance since early high school, so I hit up B&N this morning.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2lwxdah.jpg)

It's mostly just stuff that I've been planning on (i.e. putting off) reading. I'm a little wary of the Howard Zinn book, but I figured I'd take my chances.
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Post by: Reb on June 17, 2009, 09:39:13 AM
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I'm also sleeping with al the girls you slept with this year. :shh
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I'm watching this topics for inspiration, both "The Unbearable..." and "Do Androids..." were somewhere in the back of my mind on a "to read" list. The same goes for "The Great Gatsby", so expect that one to pop up here soon.
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Post by: muckhole on June 17, 2009, 10:32:39 AM
Recently finished this
(http://a4.vox.com/6a00d4143d5a7f685e010980c5fcf4000b-500pi)

Sounded interesting, so I picked it up yesterday.
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Post by: Tauntaun on June 17, 2009, 10:40:59 AM
Lord of the Rings.  I just started Two Towers this morning.   :-*
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Post by: Reb on June 17, 2009, 10:46:27 AM
Recently finished this
(http://a4.vox.com/6a00d4143d5a7f685e010980c5fcf4000b-500pi)

Sounded interesting, so I picked it up yesterday.

It's awesome, the writer has great humour, and it's packed with information.
My brother still hasn't gotten it back to me. :'(
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Post by: muckhole on June 17, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
Nice. I`ll likely start it next week after I finish up Kavalier and Clay. I`ve got like three different books on the go right now, which has to stop. I don`t have a ton of reading time in the summer, and combining that with multiple books is killing me.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on July 03, 2009, 02:13:33 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RtznSRTAL._SS500_.jpg)

I just finished this up today. If you have any interest in economic and/or finance theory, this book provides a fairly comprehensive history of the field's academic evolution. It even delves into statistical and mathematically theoretical territory. Even a good read as a political book, as it deals with the near religous belief in market efficiency by academics through the 1980s, and then their recant of that logic in the 90s to present, as well as the practical implications and how that belief is still held in much of society and the media. Quite honestly, a comprehensive historical look at financial market history, such as this, should be required reading for all business and economic students. I wish I had read this 10 years ago

My rating:
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*edit: first post in half a month in this thread? smh
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 08, 2009, 04:36:34 AM
Still thinking a lot about The Road, am still not sure what I think about the ending. Which is to say, I am wondering if the people who awarded the Pulitzer to it were just as confused as I am, or if they only convinced themselves that they understood it. However, everything leading up to the ending was exceptional, so...

Currently working through Cory Doctorow's "Little Brother" and Palahniuk's "Choke." So far Choke does not impress, and I'm halfway through it. It's dingy, filthy, irredeemable humanity at its least sympathetic. Not sure what I'm after by reading it. I may bail.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 12, 2009, 10:53:20 PM
War of the Worlds! Ah, public domain books. Before all this "forever minus a day" copyright horseshit began, we were due to actually see more of these enter into the public commons. War of the Worlds is interesting; I enjoyed how they updated the basement dwelling survivor for Tim Robbins' character in the movie.

I read Gardens of the Moon by Erikson some time ago, greatly enjoyed it. I'll have to pick up that one.

Still reading Choke, still not enjoying it much.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2009, 11:14:31 PM
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Just started this, loving it like I have his previous sci-fi.

The most interesting book I've finished recently is 'Replay' by Ken Grimwood, which is an extended riff on the idea of getting to live one's life over again. Highly entertaining, and it deserves it's 'classic' status.
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Post by: ch1nchilla on July 12, 2009, 11:22:48 PM
20th Century Boys, volume 8
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Post by: Reb on July 15, 2009, 02:50:31 AM
I'm done reading The Great Gatsby (Fitzgerald), Mort and Eric (Pratchett).

Now I'm (partially re-)reading:

(http://pinstripebindi.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/a-short-history-of-nearly-everything.jpg)

and

(http://www.covercards.nl/upload_images/bc-20081205171017.jpg)

The second one is a Dutch book about a man's struggle with depression.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 16, 2009, 05:28:03 AM
What do you mean by "Before all this "forever minus a day" copyright horseshit began" ??? I didnt hear anything about this.

I read some reader review on Eriksons books and he hit the nail in the head by saying its a political drama book dressed up as fantasy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bocsius on July 31, 2009, 02:11:43 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DG1PY6W5L._SS500_.jpg)

Transformation by Carol Berg
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 31, 2009, 02:54:59 PM
Reading various Philip K. Dick stories in succession. They are...

Martian Time-Slip
Dr. Bloodmoney "Or how we got along after the Bomb"
Now Wait for Last Year
Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said
A Scanner Darkly

I finished Martian Time-Slip two days ago and its a great alternate reality story and has an interesting fantastical view on schizophrenia.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 31, 2009, 03:05:36 PM
I've just started Bloodmoney but I definitely dug Martian Time-Slip. He's really good with mindfucking that doesn't feel forced or generic.

Haven't read Stranger in a Strange Land. From reading its premise on Wiki it sounds very interesting.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 12, 2009, 09:50:09 AM
I am about half way through this:

(http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n0/n2600.jpg)

It was hard to follow at first, only because there were 5 or 6 different characters that the book chronicles, but they flesh themselves out and have become distinguished in my mind. Good read, and Brunner comes off as prescient.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: tiesto on August 12, 2009, 11:02:21 AM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 12, 2009, 09:06:45 PM
Read 'The Given Day' by Dennis Lehane (author of Mystic River, Gone Baby Gone, some award-winning eps of The Wire...)

Just a stunning book. Close to 700 pages but it flew by. I am now an expert on Boston in the post WW1 period. Some AMAZING stuff went down back then.

I just started The Terror by Dan Simmons (of whom I am a long-time fan).
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Post by: Not Sure on August 12, 2009, 11:51:24 PM
Nearing the end of this:
(http://22.media.tumblr.com/EOBn7kdyMpqx1gcjYzwsDHevo1_400.jpg)

And no, I am not a jappa-fagurt; I like dystopian novels.

After that I will either start the following book or Das Kapitial again.
(http://www.dominionpaper.ca/files/dominion-img/mackinnon.thumbnail.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 12, 2009, 11:54:58 PM
I am finishing Scanner Darkly.

Finished the first four novels of '5 Great Novels by Philip K Dick'. I think Martian Time Slip and Three Stigmata are my favourites. Ubik was sort of boring though it is one of the more critically acclaimed books???
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 12, 2009, 11:59:47 PM
(http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n16/n82475.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on August 13, 2009, 12:03:13 AM
Finished the first four novels of '5 Great Novels by Philip K Dick'. I think Martian Time Slip and Three Stigmata are my favourites. Ubik was sort of boring though it is one of the more critically acclaimed books???

From what I remember of Ubik, I really dug how he handled the fragile nature of reality and perception. I remember digging it. How did you like "A Scanner Darkly"? I've still yet to read it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 13, 2009, 12:07:40 AM
It's good so far but it been a couple of weeks since I looked at it.

Ubik I think my main problem is that the characters seemed so flat. Very little nuance to them at all from what I remember. Fidelty always seems to be a topic in his work though- from the 5-ish novels I've read :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cyanista on August 13, 2009, 12:40:22 AM
I'm reading "Me Of Little Faith"  by Lewis Black. 

It's honestly a bit too light to even be funny.  I like Lewis Black.  How can he be so intense when speaking and come across so lacksidaisical in print?  :-\
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 13, 2009, 01:08:51 AM
(http://www.radioiowa.com/resource/image_librarian/20090721/024250/methland.jpg)

Tore through this one pretty quick.

I didn't care much for the book at all.  I appreciate the expose on how many midwest towns are basically falling apart because of the meth problem.

- The book is very descriptive but at the same time, a lot of basic information that could be verified with an Atlas or even Map Quest would have been helpful.  Towns are named incorrectly or locations are quite a bit off.

- The book is about 3 years too late.  Meth lab busts have been declining after 2004 due to stronger police efforts and the fact that it is now just easier to smuggle in Mexican meth.  With increasing numbers of immigrant Mexican labor, moving Mexican meth means less lab explosions, less ammonia theft, and less police.  The book would have been great in 2002-2004 when bathtub meth was at its peak in Iowa.

- The author gets it right by suggesting that large corporate run farms are largely the culprit.  A lot of people just up and left because there was no more work.  Also, the author gets it right by saying that meatpacking firms have slashed wages down to the point where it is unsustainable.  The author stumbles by making Kleinist remarks about pharmaceutical conspiracies to keep pseudoephedrine on the shelves just so they can make meth so the broken down masses can take enough crank to work a double shift at Tyson Chicken.

Ignoring the little quibbles here and there, Methland is the perfect counter to the GOP masturbatory fantasy of "Main Street."  You know, the utopian vision of small town America, where the kids are sitting around with Pa talking about Ronald Reagan and how things used to be before the homo agenda conquered this once proud nation.  The worst part is that there really is no future for towns like these.  What is the point of really building anything?  There isn't.  Government projects might upgrade sewers or repave roads but that isn't going to change the fact that the town is just hanging on by a thread - the minimal labor used to run the large corporate run farms and the immigrants and unskilled labor to work the packing plants.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on August 15, 2009, 05:19:51 AM
Picked up several books on the recent vaykay:

Out, Natsuo Kirino
Deadhouse Gates, Steven Erikson
The Scar, China Miéville
Soon I Will Be Invincible, Austin Grossman

Even so, I'm still working my way through Little Brother, Cory Doctorow's best work yet, and Palahniuk's Choke has picked up a bit.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 07, 2009, 10:18:03 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/bebpo/things-they-carried.jpg)

This book I'm reading, "The Things They Carried" by Tim O'Brien is soooooooooooooooooo good.  I had to read two chapters for a class and they were awesome so I'm reading the whole thing and it's just one of the most enjoyable books I've read in ages.  The style is clean, quick and funny.  If you even enjoy human war stories a little like Fullmetal Jacket or Apocalypse Now it's a definite must read.  Here's one of my favorite quotes from a chapter I read for class:

Quote
You can tell a true war story by the questions you ask.  Somebody tells a story, let's say, and afterward you ask, "Is it true?" and if the answer matters, you've got your answer. 

For example we've all heard this one.  Four guys go down a trail.  A grenade sails out.  One guy jumps on it and takes the blast and saves his three buddies.

Is it true?
The answer matters.
You'd feel cheated if it never happened.  Without the grounding reality, it's just a trite bit of puffery, pure Hollywood, untrue in the way all such strories are untrue.  Yet even if it did happen-and maybe it did, anything's possible-even then you know it can't be true, because a true war story does not depend upon that kind of truth.  Absolute occurrence is irrelevant.  A thing may happen and be a total lie; another thing may not happen and be truer than the truth.  For example:  Four guys go down a trail.  A grenade sails out.  One guy jumps on it and takes the blast, but it's a killer grenade and everybody dies anyway.  Before they die, though, one of the dead guys says, "the fuck you do that for?" and the jumper says, "Story of my life, man," and the other guy starts to smile but he's dead.

That's a true story that never happened.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Diunx on September 07, 2009, 10:35:28 PM
I'm reading morrison's run of Animal Man, sooooo good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2009, 10:59:54 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/WoT01_TheEyeOfTheWorld.jpg)

For some reason, the upcoming release of the first post-Jordan book in the series made me want to finish reading the whole series. I made it to Book 5 once, but I couldn't remember anything that happened so I started over with Book 1. FML
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: rodi on September 08, 2009, 01:32:35 PM
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows!!!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Reb on September 09, 2009, 06:25:35 AM
Metamorphasis by Franz Kafka.

I'm raiding Project Gutenberg, now that I have the eReader.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: rodi on September 09, 2009, 12:21:36 PM
Nevermind, I stopped reading the last Harry Potter book after the first few chapters. Pretty bad.

I've switched to I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, Maya Angelou.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 09, 2009, 12:37:34 PM
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fucking awesome piece of work. It's Darwyn Cooke's graphic novel adaptation of a seminal crime novel by Richard Parker AKA Donald Westlake.

The amazon page has some preview pages if you want to check it out. The first 15 pgs or so are wordless but the storytelling is so fluid and the art so expressive, you'd barely notice.
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Post by: Tauntaun on September 09, 2009, 04:51:09 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 09, 2009, 05:00:25 PM
I'm reading The Wasp Factory. I picked it up a few months back when all the litfags here were plugging Banks like crazy, and I'd completely forgotten about it until the other day.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 09, 2009, 05:10:20 PM
(http://repairstemcell.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/freakonomics1.jpg)

being an educated person in economics, I don't know why I have never read this before. No one has ever recommended it to me and I hadn't read much about it, but I picked it up anyways.

Really amazing insight so far. Within the first twenty pages the author attributes falling crime rates in the 90s to Roe vs Wade  :lol. It's awesome.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 09, 2009, 08:55:41 PM
Kestastophe: If you haven't, check out the Freakonomics blog on NYT -

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/
they're also on twitter, which is handy for the linkage.

Sadly they rarely go into much depth but they do unearth some cool stuff.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 09, 2009, 08:58:21 PM
I'm reading The Wasp Factory. I picked it up a few months back when all the litfags here were plugging Banks like crazy, and I'd completely forgotten about it until the other day.

That's "Little Miss Litfags" to you, baby.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 09, 2009, 09:07:30 PM
I'm reading The Wasp Factory. I picked it up a few months back when all the litfags here were plugging Banks like crazy, and I'd completely forgotten about it until the other day.

That's "Little Miss Litfags" to you, baby.
lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 12, 2009, 07:03:46 PM
I just read this short story Some of Us Had Been Threatening Our Friend Colby for class:
http://www.jessamyn.com/barth/colby.html (it's about 6 pages)

Good stuff.  Reminds me of Funny Games.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on September 13, 2009, 07:13:07 AM
I'm halfway through the seventh book in the Dark Tower Series. I cried.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 13, 2009, 11:14:23 AM
Finished Freakonomics, great book but very short. Looking forward to the new one coming out in October.

Reading Let the Right One In because I want to read it before I watch the film.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: muckhole on September 13, 2009, 01:54:16 PM
I need another book along the lines of A Short History of Nearly Everything. Any recommendations?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 13, 2009, 02:02:37 PM
I recommend watching the ascent of man or connections. 
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Post by: muckhole on September 13, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Cool. I'll look into them.
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Post by: Barry Egan on September 13, 2009, 02:07:11 PM
(http://bookdesign.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/9780805202410.jpg)

(http://server40136.uk2net.com/~wpower/images/product_images/9780226143361.jpg)
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Post by: etiolate on September 13, 2009, 04:31:41 PM
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It is a whole lot of angry black man and it feels dated at times, but it is only two shorts self-reflections.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 13, 2009, 05:30:15 PM
Not as great as I'd hope, but worth reading...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41XVCMFMSKL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Reb on September 13, 2009, 07:05:47 PM
I'm reading Next by Michael Crichton.  It's interesting enough I guess, but none of the characters are very memorable and it jumps around a lot so it's really hard to keep track of who's who.

I liked some of his other books, this one was a bit dry.

I need another book along the lines of A Short History of Nearly Everything. Any recommendations?

A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking, it's a bit more technical and narrow though.

Finished Freakonomics, great book but very short. Looking forward to the new one coming out in October.

I liked it, what about a new one? Some sort of sequel with the same kind of thing?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 13, 2009, 09:59:03 PM
I liked it, what about a new one? Some sort of sequel with the same kind of thing?

Seems so. Superfreakonomics lolz
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 13, 2009, 10:09:32 PM
Finished Freakonomics, great book but very short. Looking forward to the new one coming out in October.

I liked it, what about a new one? Some sort of sequel with the same kind of thing?
Super Freakonomics comes out in October
http://www.amazon.com/SuperFreakonomics-Cooling-Patriotic-Prostitutes-Insurance/dp/0060889578/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252890635&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/SuperFreakonomics-Cooling-Patriotic-Prostitutes-Insurance/dp/0060889578/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252890635&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on September 17, 2009, 08:01:38 AM
Finished The Dark Tower series. All in all it clocks in at 3,991 pages. Amazing journey through those books. The ending is just as... dividing? amongst readers as it seems.
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Post by: Tauntaun on September 17, 2009, 11:25:49 AM
Just started 1984. 
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Post by: lordmaji on September 17, 2009, 11:39:00 AM
(http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/40830000/40833829.JPG)
picking this up hopefully tonight. If not, then Friday. :)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 18, 2009, 12:42:47 AM
Just started 1984. 

I find this book genuinely horrifying. I'm far more intimidated to re-read it than any horror novel. It's a masterpiece but...brrrr.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 18, 2009, 02:55:57 AM
:bow 1984 :bow2

:bow Orwell :bow2

Probably my favorite book of all-time. So perfectly horrifying and depressing.
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Post by: Purple Filth on September 18, 2009, 03:25:27 AM
Twelve Pillars
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Post by: lordmaji on September 18, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
:bow 1984 :bow2

:bow Orwell :bow2

Probably my favorite book of all-time. So perfectly horrifying and depressing.

Amen to that. 1984 is a damn good book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 18, 2009, 04:51:31 PM
At my folks cottage and Frank McCourt's Angela's Ashes was laying around so I'm casually going through it. Liking it so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 22, 2009, 08:02:50 PM
about 3/4ths of the way through 2666

real spoiler, not a cute joke:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
literally right at the part where Reiter changes his name to Archimboldi
[close]


this book is something else. not sure quite what to make of it, but I love it.  it kind of puts you on an emotional roller coaster with its tonal shifts. 
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Post by: Bebpo on September 22, 2009, 10:12:51 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/bebpo/05-Lenica_Visit.jpg)

The Visit by Friedrich Durrenmatt
http://www.amazon.com/Visit-Tragi-Comedy-Friedrich-Durrenmatt/dp/0802130666/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253668451&sr=8-1
It's a morbid comic play that is quite entertaining.  Would recommend.  Only takes like 1-2 hours to read.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on September 22, 2009, 10:48:16 PM
What is the book about Kafka, I saw it lying in the bookshop the other day but got put off by the cover somehow, it seemed so pretentious.

it's hard to pinpoint exactly.  Wiki says it well:

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Depicting the unsolved and ongoing serial murders of Ciudad Juárez (Santa Teresa in the novel), the Eastern Front in World War II, and the breakdown of relationships and careers, the apocalyptic 2666 explores 20th century degeneration through a wide array of characters, locations, time periods, and stories within stories.

the various parts are loosely connected, but, as it says, each character and situation is a story within itself.  I'm 3/4ths of the way through and I don't feel like I have the big picture, as it isn't one big story, but each individual section is awesome and usually connected somehow to the ones that came before it, even if it's just an appearance or coincidence happening with a previously mentioned character.  I guess some would find that pretentious, if they're expecting it to somehow pull together and explain everything, but I think the value in the book is getting different things from different parts. it doesn't pay too much to look back when you're 300, 500, 800 pages in, I suppose.

also, it's one of those "don't read anything about it and just read it" kinds of books :)
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Post by: Oblivion on September 22, 2009, 11:19:07 PM
(http://blog.lib.umn.edu/patr0093/arch1701/The%2520World%2520is%2520Flat.jpg)
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Post by: CajoleJuice on September 22, 2009, 11:32:51 PM
I've always thought of checking out that book, Oblivion.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 23, 2009, 12:13:02 AM
I read The World is Flat a couple years ago.  It's not exactly a page turner, but it's a good introduction to globalism.  I learned a lot.

Well, that sounds good to me. I have a bit of a backlog for reading though. Maybe because I now have two 1000+ page history books I currently own and want to read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2009, 12:19:25 AM
Eye of the World down, The Great Hunt is now on the clock!

I think The Wheel of Time should be featured in an episode of Borecast, probably in the Indefensible segment. Can you really defend 14 volume fantasy encyclopedia that basically has more characters and plot threads that a book on the complete history of the planet Earth?
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Post by: Kestastrophe on September 23, 2009, 10:58:46 AM
The World is Flat is a good book, I read it 4 or 5 years ago when it first came out. Alot of the observations will probably seem dated (I remember reading about smartphones in Japan for instance), but it was an easy read and interesting.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 24, 2009, 08:41:51 AM
I was reading Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy, but it is hiding from me. So I'm reading No Country for Old Men instead. The author brings a new perspective to the term "sparse."
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 24, 2009, 09:14:10 AM
(http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/images/dreams%20of%20terror%20and%20death.jpg)
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Post by: BlueTsunami on October 02, 2009, 04:37:54 PM
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Short stories from various authors based on During and Post Apocalyptic scenarios. I love the lead in message....

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What is it that draws us to those bleak landscapes - the wastelands of post-apocalyptic literature? To me, the appeal is obvious: it fulfills our taste for adventure, the thrill of discovery, the desire for a new frontier. It also allows us to start over from scratch, to wipe the slate clean and see what the world may have been like if we had known then what we know now.

Perhaps the appeal of the sub-genre is best described by this quote from "The Manhattan Phone Book (Abridge)" by John Varley:

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We all love after-the-bom stores. If we didn't, why would there be so many of them? There's something attractive about all those people being gone, about wandering in a depopulated world, scrounging cans of Campbell's pork and beans, defending one's family from marauders. Sure it's horrible, sure we weep for all those dead people. But some secret part of us thinks it would be good to survive, to start over. Secretly, we know we'll survive. All those other folds will die, That's what after-the-bomb stores are all about.
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Post by: tehjaybo on October 02, 2009, 04:44:03 PM
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(http://i36.tinypic.com/11iledv.jpg)

/nerd
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Post by: ManaByte on October 02, 2009, 04:46:10 PM
DrinkMalk.com came back, so my Stanza is packed.

Probably going to start reading Game of Thrones tonight.

Or maybe World War Z or The Road.
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Post by: etiolate on October 02, 2009, 05:01:13 PM
(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm112059923/slouching-towards-bethlehem-essays-joan-didion-paperback-cover-art.jpg)
(http://liquidprose.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/in_cold_blood_truman_capote_unabridged_compact_discs.jpg)
(http://girlebooks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/ladyaudley.jpg)

and a little ralph ellison
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 02, 2009, 05:07:06 PM
Blu how is that Wastelands book worth picking up? How is the overall quality of the stories?

I actually just picked it up from the Library about an hour ago. The lead short is a story by Stephen King having to do with the Messiah coming to Earth. The story is written from the viewpoint of the Messiahs brother. Something horrible happened but haven't gotten to what. Seems good so far, the lead in message that I posted has given me hope in regards to the choice of shorts (seems like the person that compiled this "gets it").

With that said, it states after the lead in message that none of the stories are about zombies or aliens destroying Earth. Its more about man destroying themselves and coping with the outcome.
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Post by: chronovore on October 03, 2009, 12:38:09 PM
Short stories from various authors based on During and Post Apocalyptic scenarios. I love the lead in message....

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What is it that draws us to those bleak landscapes - the wastelands of post-apocalyptic literature? To me, the appeal is obvious: it fulfills our taste for adventure, the thrill of discovery, the desire for a new frontier. It also allows us to start over from scratch, to wipe the slate clean and see what the world may have been like if we had known then what we know now.

Perhaps the appeal of the sub-genre is best described by this quote from "The Manhattan Phone Book (Abridge)" by John Varley:

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We all love after-the-bom stores. If we didn't, why would there be so many of them? There's something attractive about all those people being gone, about wandering in a depopulated world, scrounging cans of Campbell's pork and beans, defending one's family from marauders. Sure it's horrible, sure we weep for all those dead people. But some secret part of us thinks it would be good to survive, to start over. Secretly, we know we'll survive. All those other folds will die, That's what after-the-bomb stores are all about.

I completely agree that this is what makes them attractive, however after reading that article on "illusory superiority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority)" my assumption is that while the majority of people feel they'd survive better than the average person, the reality is that they're likely lower on the curve than they suspect.

Please post more impressions as you progress. I'm thinking about ordering it so I can feel illusorily smug.
:drake
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 03, 2009, 12:50:34 PM
Short stories from various authors based on During and Post Apocalyptic scenarios. I love the lead in message....

Quote
What is it that draws us to those bleak landscapes - the wastelands of post-apocalyptic literature? To me, the appeal is obvious: it fulfills our taste for adventure, the thrill of discovery, the desire for a new frontier. It also allows us to start over from scratch, to wipe the slate clean and see what the world may have been like if we had known then what we know now.

Perhaps the appeal of the sub-genre is best described by this quote from "The Manhattan Phone Book (Abridge)" by John Varley:

Quote
We all love after-the-bom stores. If we didn't, why would there be so many of them? There's something attractive about all those people being gone, about wandering in a depopulated world, scrounging cans of Campbell's pork and beans, defending one's family from marauders. Sure it's horrible, sure we weep for all those dead people. But some secret part of us thinks it would be good to survive, to start over. Secretly, we know we'll survive. All those other folds will die, That's what after-the-bomb stores are all about.

I completely agree that this is what makes them attractive, however after reading that article on "illusory superiority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority)" my assumption is that while the majority of people feel they'd survive better than the average person, the reality is that they're likely lower on the curve than they suspect.

Please post more impressions as you progress. I'm thinking about ordering it so I can feel illusorily smug.
:drake

That was an interesting read. I agree on having an "illusory superiority" in regards to this scenario. Its a bit morbid but I guess it could be considered a fantasy and within it your some sort of human being that is able to return to the hunter gatherer way of thinking. For me though, it is definitely that sense of exploration and adventure more than anything.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 03, 2009, 01:25:51 PM
What are some good Banks books after The Wasp Factory? Sci-fi or srs stuff, I don't care which. I hear Use of Weapons is considered to be one of his best. What else?

Also, regarding The Wasp Factory

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I feel like a fucking dipshit for not seeing that twist coming, for obvious reasons :duh

Oh yeah, and when I was Googling around for reviews and the like after I finished the book I found this:
Quote from: Crybaby on MetaFilter
I picked up The Wasp Factory after it was recommended in this thread, and I've made it about 50 pages in so far. I'm an animal lover and a vegetarian, and the graphic cruelty in this book is making my physically ill, nauseous and upset.

I know that some people seem to think this book is great. I am trying to spend this year reading great books that do new things with language and form, but I have no respect whatsoever for the visceral reaction this book is eliciting from me.
:rofl
[close]

Anyway, for now I'm on to Cat's Cradle. I know, I'm such a plebe :'(
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Post by: Kestastrophe on October 03, 2009, 01:57:59 PM
What are some good Banks books after The Wasp Factory? Sci-fi or srs stuff, I don't care which. I hear Use of Weapons is considered to be one of his best. What else?
All of the Culture novels are supposed to be good. I've read Player of Games and Use of Weapons (I also have Matter in my backlog) and both are excellent sci-fi novels.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 03, 2009, 05:22:24 PM
various .NET books
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Post by: chronovore on October 03, 2009, 10:19:18 PM
Banks' Player of Games moved from "pretty good" to "holy crap wow" by the end of it. Very much a novel which requires some time to get into.

roflwaffles at the person who went off looking for books which might move them emotionally, found one, and not only ran away screaming -- they made the time to complain about finding what they wanted on teh internetz soapbox. :rofl

Exploration, adventure, surviving on your own, adventure just around the corner.

The sense of the raw, untamed, possibly hostile unknown.

Stuff dreams are made off really.

Now we know why Kosma travels the world, fucking the daughters of fathers he has never met. It's the chance to encounter the "untamed, possibly hostile unknown."
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Post by: Tieno on October 08, 2009, 07:22:11 AM
Just finished this one
(http://www.maxpam.nl/wp-content/uploads/The-Greatest-Show.bmp)

Very good read. I always marvel at the realization that everything is related and how everything evolved. It's so astonishing.
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Post by: OptimoPeach on October 08, 2009, 07:59:51 AM
Just finished this one
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Very good read. I always marvel at the realization that everything is related and how everything evolved. It's so astonishing.
What's the difference between this and his 4 books on evolution that precede it? I'm always tempted to pick one of them up for kicks, but I don't know where to start. It probably doesn't help that I'm not too keen on nonfiction lately
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Post by: Tieno on October 08, 2009, 11:38:32 AM
Only read the Ancestor's Tale and there he went down the tree of life going to different common ancestors.


As he says in the trailer, in his previous books he assumed evolution was true and mostly went into the driving force/mechanism (natural selection), I think. In this book he gives the evidence for evolution(and also natural selection) : from DNA and molecular comparisons, to geographical distribution, to homologies, to fossils and the strata they are found in, to plate tectonics, to experiments with bacteria and much more.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-QWv_0Mjq0[/youtube]

I think it's a very good starting point in equipping you with the knowledge to get a deeper understanding of evolution.
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Post by: OptimoPeach on October 08, 2009, 11:52:08 AM
Thanks, I guess I'll throw it on my giant Amazon wish list
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Post by: Himu on October 09, 2009, 02:07:05 AM
I finished this on the plane to Florida tonight:

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Overall, despite my distaste for Dawkins' habit of going too long on certain subjects (particularly prevalent in the "Why God almost certainly does not exist" chapter, I think that the book meets its goal. It contains heavy analysis on religions, religious behavior, the differences between agnostic and atheist and honestly, the whole subject, honestly. It doesn't feel overly biased either, but Dawkins writes in a way so that you feel he's right anyways.

Definitely left a big impact.
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Post by: Tieno on October 09, 2009, 02:43:58 AM
Also reading that one atm. I'm just at the point where he destroyed religion. (half way, at the roots of religion) Very interesting how he reveals what's wrong and dangerous with the religious way of thinking.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2009, 08:36:06 AM
What do you think about the god of gaps, Tieno? I find it absolutely deplorable, simple, lacking in any merit what so ever. I'll bring up some funny examples from the book later.

You should also read God is not Great by Christopher Hitchens. Just as effective, if not more so. Chapter 2, where he describes modern religious atrocities in the past 30 years at locations he's been to that start with the letter 'B', titled "Religion Kills" is particularly informative. This is just one letter; and yet, the descriptions are absolutely horrible. I had a  :-\  :S face the ENTIRE CHAPTER.
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Post by: Tieno on October 09, 2009, 09:05:08 AM
Nowadays it's lazy, arrogant and stops human progress and understanding. It's one of the major things that's wrong with a religious mindset.

Here Neil DeGrasse Tyson shows how it's wrong, with some historical examples of great minds invoking intelligent design at the limit of their understanding.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV1r4fxaZsE[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YotBtibsuh0[/youtube]

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Post by: chronovore on October 10, 2009, 10:19:52 AM
That's always what kills me about "intelligent design." It's as though they get really far, and then some kind of arrogance steps in and says "Oh, well, that's the entirety of 'that which can be explained by science.' I mean, it has to be a divine hand in here directing this portion of..." No, no, no. You've been working just fine with evidence, why are you giving up and jumping on faith now?

Just finished No Country for Old Men, and enjoyed it. The book does a better job of not feeling like I've been dropped on my ass. The resolutions which take place in the last 5~7 minutes of the movie actually take up the last 20% or so of the book. So instead of -wait, what just happened- it's that feeling, then the remaining 20% in a dazed recovery mode. Chigurh fills the "unstoppable evil" role even better than the movie. He feels more like a tool of fate, incessant. And in the movie, Moss' wife denies him that role by refusing his offer of coin toss. The book is easily as intense as the movie.

Guess I'm on a McCarthy kick, since I moved directly (back) into Blood Meridian next.
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Post by: chronovore on October 16, 2009, 07:43:31 AM
Also reading Peter Watts' Starfish, the first of what's apparently referred to as the "Rifters trilogy." I'd read Blindsight on Patel's advice previously, and it did not disappoint. It did whatever the opposite of disappoint is.

Starfish so far is even more dark than Blindsight. That's saying something. So far they've got an ex-abused child and an unreformed pedophile as main characters at the bottom of the sea. Yikes.
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Post by: Tieno on October 18, 2009, 09:48:25 AM
What do you think about the god of gaps, Tieno? I find it absolutely deplorable, simple, lacking in any merit what so ever. I'll bring up some funny examples from the book later.

You should also read God is not Great by Christopher Hitchens. Just as effective, if not more so. Chapter 2, where he describes modern religious atrocities in the past 30 years at locations he's been to that start with the letter 'B', titled "Religion Kills" is particularly informative. This is just one letter; and yet, the descriptions are absolutely horrible. I had a  :-\  :S face the ENTIRE CHAPTER.
Just finished God is not Great. Hitchens is pretty ruthless, I liked it a lot. Very interesting. Good companion to the God Delusion, which tackles the subject from a different angle.

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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 20, 2009, 04:03:19 AM
I'd like to check this out, but I KNOW that a topic like this is like shooting fish in a barrel for a mind like Hitchens'.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 20, 2009, 04:42:07 AM
Thirty Years War - Frag posted it originally on GAF a month ago and I got it.  Very good but the book is too small, making it harder to keep the pages still.
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Post by: ManaByte on October 21, 2009, 06:25:40 PM
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Starting at Book 1 and going through all 20/21.
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Post by: Himu on October 21, 2009, 06:30:21 PM
What do you think about the god of gaps, Tieno? I find it absolutely deplorable, simple, lacking in any merit what so ever. I'll bring up some funny examples from the book later.

You should also read God is not Great by Christopher Hitchens. Just as effective, if not more so. Chapter 2, where he describes modern religious atrocities in the past 30 years at locations he's been to that start with the letter 'B', titled "Religion Kills" is particularly informative. This is just one letter; and yet, the descriptions are absolutely horrible. I had a  :-\  :S face the ENTIRE CHAPTER.
Just finished God is not Great. Hitchens is pretty ruthless, I liked it a lot. Very interesting. Good companion to the God Delusion, which tackles the subject from a different angle.

(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1843545861.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)




Glad you liked it. Read The End of Faith by Sam Harris, my favorite of the three.
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Post by: etiolate on October 23, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
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Post by: Rman on October 25, 2009, 06:32:31 PM
Currently reading Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell.  Love me some Gladwell.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on October 25, 2009, 07:24:39 PM
Dead Souls- Nikolai Gogol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 25, 2009, 10:58:01 PM
Just started reading:

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I haven't read any of Jonathon Lethem's other books, but so far I like this one.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tieno on October 26, 2009, 06:50:35 AM
What do you think about the god of gaps, Tieno? I find it absolutely deplorable, simple, lacking in any merit what so ever. I'll bring up some funny examples from the book later.

You should also read God is not Great by Christopher Hitchens. Just as effective, if not more so. Chapter 2, where he describes modern religious atrocities in the past 30 years at locations he's been to that start with the letter 'B', titled "Religion Kills" is particularly informative. This is just one letter; and yet, the descriptions are absolutely horrible. I had a  :-\  :S face the ENTIRE CHAPTER.
Just finished God is not Great. Hitchens is pretty ruthless, I liked it a lot. Very interesting. Good companion to the God Delusion, which tackles the subject from a different angle.

(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1843545861.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)




Glad you liked it. Read The End of Faith by Sam Harris, my favorite of the three.
Finished End of Faith too, but I liked The God Delusion the most. Actually, I prefer The Greatest Show on Earth because reading about how religion and religious thinking sucks (rightly so) doesn't really make me happy (on the contrary) even though it is very important. Glad I read them though, because I was one of those "religion is consoling, it may be beneficial for some people but I'm not religious myself, fundies are just abusing the banner"-tards
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 26, 2009, 08:05:04 AM
I just cracked open One Hundred Years of Solitude. I was ailed by a particularly nasty spell of white guilt after looking at the list of books I've read within the past year, so I decided to pick it up. I fuckin love that new book smell -- another one of my (totally illogical, I know) gripes with eBook readers

Dead Souls- Nikolai Gogol
:bow

Glad I read them though, because I was one of those "religion is consoling, it may be beneficial for some people but I'm not religious myself, fundies are just abusing the banner"-tards
Cliff's Notes on your conversion to the darker dark side?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ch1nchilla on October 26, 2009, 08:08:13 AM
That's always what kills me about "intelligent design." It's as though they get really far, and then some kind of arrogance steps in and says "Oh, well, that's the entirety of 'that which can be explained by science.' I mean, it has to be a divine hand in here directing this portion of..." No, no, no. You've been working just fine with evidence, why are you giving up and jumping on faith now?

Just finished No Country for Old Men, and enjoyed it. The book does a better job of not feeling like I've been dropped on my ass. The resolutions which take place in the last 5~7 minutes of the movie actually take up the last 20% or so of the book. So instead of -wait, what just happened- it's that feeling, then the remaining 20% in a dazed recovery mode. Chigurh fills the "unstoppable evil" role even better than the movie. He feels more like a tool of fate, incessant. And in the movie, Moss' wife denies him that role by refusing his offer of coin toss. The book is easily as intense as the movie.

Guess I'm on a McCarthy kick, since I moved directly (back) into Blood Meridian next.

Blood Meridian is awesome, I should probably read No Country for Old Men at some point.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tieno on October 26, 2009, 08:46:29 AM
I just cracked open One Hundred Years of Solitude. I was ailed by a particularly nasty spell of white guilt after looking at the list of books I've read within the past year, so I decided to pick it up. I fuckin love that new book smell -- another one of my (totally illogical, I know) gripes with eBook readers

Dead Souls- Nikolai Gogol
:bow

Glad I read them though, because I was one of those "religion is consoling, it may be beneficial for some people but I'm not religious myself, fundies are just abusing the banner"-tards
Cliff's Notes on your conversion to the darker dark side?
Lighter side. Basically it boils down to the notion that faith is not a virtue, it breeds intolerance and discourages conversation and critical thought because you hold your belief on zero evidence so there's no basis for rational argument.
The consoling part is basically a delusion because it doesn't make the idea true and was patronizing stance on my part. It's also questionable wether the delusion is consoling, because religious ideas have probably caused more stress and harm (hell, masturbation, devil, sexuality, food and all that) than consolement.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on October 26, 2009, 10:21:13 AM
Finally someone else is reading that :hyper. I raved about it at the beginning of the year.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on October 26, 2009, 12:23:34 PM
It gets better too. My favorite bit was the part on price anchoring. Shawn Elliott recommended me Drunkard's Walk, which is supposed to be similar material.

There is alot of interesting research in behavioral economics and there had already been at a Nobel prize awarded to a behaviorist (Daniel Kahneman).
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Post by: Himu on October 26, 2009, 06:33:30 PM
gimme something new to read eb
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Post by: Tieno on October 26, 2009, 06:41:26 PM
gimme something new to read eb
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Read this one last year, it has amazing prose. One of my favourite books.
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The novel, set in post- Spanish Civil War Barcelona, concerns a young boy, Daniel. Just after the war, Daniel's father takes him to the secret Cemetery of Forgotten Books, a huge library of old, forgotten titles lovingly preserved by a select few initiates. According to tradition, everyone initiated to this secret place is allowed to take one book from it, and must protect it for life. Daniel selects a book called The Shadow of the Wind by Julián Carax. That night he takes the book home and reads it, completely engrossed. Daniel then attempts to look for other books by this unknown author, but can find none. All he comes across are stories of a strange man - calling himself Laín Coubert, after a character in the book who happens to be the Devil - who has been seeking out Carax's books for decades, buying them all and burning them. In time this mysterious figure confronts and threatens Daniel. Terrified, Daniel returns the book to the Cemetery of Forgotten Books but continues to seek out the story of the elusive author. In doing so Daniel becomes entangled in an age old conflict that began with the author himself. Many parallels are found to exist between the author's life and Daniel's and he takes it upon himself to make sure history does not repeat.

Of course Jean Aul's Earth's Children series is a good one too, it got me accustomed to the concept of deep time, human prehistory which are two of the most valuable ideas that just get my imagination going. They also turned me to reading a shitload of stuff on evolution, which is the most amazing story ever. I really enjoyed the Earth Children series, really eager to read the next part when it comes out.
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As a whole, the series is a tale of personal discovery: coming-of-age, invention, cultural complexities, and, beginning with the second book, explicit romantic sex. It tells the story of Ayla, an orphaned Cro-Magnon girl who is adopted and raised by a tribe of Neanderthals and who later embarks on a journey to find "the Others" (her own kind), meeting her romantic interest and supporting co-protagonist, Jondalar.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2009, 07:07:15 PM
Short stories from various authors based on During and Post Apocalyptic scenarios. I love the lead in message....

Quote
What is it that draws us to those bleak landscapes - the wastelands of post-apocalyptic literature? To me, the appeal is obvious: it fulfills our taste for adventure, the thrill of discovery, the desire for a new frontier. It also allows us to start over from scratch, to wipe the slate clean and see what the world may have been like if we had known then what we know now.

Perhaps the appeal of the sub-genre is best described by this quote from "The Manhattan Phone Book (Abridge)" by John Varley:

Quote
We all love after-the-bom stores. If we didn't, why would there be so many of them? There's something attractive about all those people being gone, about wandering in a depopulated world, scrounging cans of Campbell's pork and beans, defending one's family from marauders. Sure it's horrible, sure we weep for all those dead people. But some secret part of us thinks it would be good to survive, to start over. Secretly, we know we'll survive. All those other folds will die, That's what after-the-bomb stores are all about.

How is Martin's story, if you've read it yet
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Post by: Tieno on October 26, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
Sounds exactly like the type of book I could never read.

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It tells the story of Ayla, an orphaned Cro-Magnon girl who is adopted and raised by a tribe of Neanderthals and who later embarks on a journey to find "the Others" (her own kind), meeting her romantic interest and supporting co-protagonist, Jondalar.

 :dur
It's pretty good Kosma, I dig it for its setting and timescape. But it is written by a female, if you need your fiction butch it may not be your thing though it focuses on a lot of stuff besides romance.
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The story arc in part comprises a travel tale, in which the two lovers journey from the region of the Ukraine to Jondalar's home in what is now France, along an indirect route up the Danube River valley. In the third and fourth works, they meet various groups of Cro-Magnons and encounter their cultural contexts, including bona-fide technologies. The couple finally return to south-western France and Jondalar's people in the fifth novel. The series includes a highly-detailed focus on botany, herbology, herbal medicine, archaeology and anthropology; but it also features substantial amounts of romance, coming-of-age crises, and—employing significant poetic license -- the attribution of certain advances and inventions to the protagonists.
In addition, Ms. Auel's series incorporates a number of recent archeological and anthropological theories. It also suggested the notion of Sapiens-Neanderthal interbreeding, only later genetically supported[1], albeit still controversial.
As is often the case with speculative fiction, the Earth's Children series has a substantial fanbase, which organizes websites, holds meetings, and produces fan fiction. The author's treatment of unconventional sexual practices (which are central to her hypothesized nature-centered religions) has earned the series the twentieth place on the American Library Association's 100 Most Frequently Challenged Books of 1990-2000.[2]
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Post by: Himu on October 26, 2009, 08:02:32 PM
that sounds awesome
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Post by: CajoleJuice on October 26, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
Sounds exactly like the type of book I could never read.

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It tells the story of Ayla, an orphaned Cro-Magnon girl who is adopted and raised by a tribe of Neanderthals and who later embarks on a journey to find "the Others" (her own kind), meeting her romantic interest and supporting co-protagonist, Jondalar.

 :dur

lol
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2009, 08:35:59 PM
Sounds like Lost meets Clan of the Cave Bear

edit: fuck  :lol
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 27, 2009, 08:05:01 AM
Sounds like Lost meets Clan of the Cave Bear

edit: fuck  :lol

:lol
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Post by: OptimoPeach on November 24, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
Has anyone read the Dark Tower series? It seems to get a lot of praise from internet nerds, but I don't think I've ever liked one of his novels from start to finish. I did enjoy the few short stories that I read, though.

Anyway, Amazon has the first 4 in a boxed set for $19 and I'm wondering whether or not I should throw it on my Christmas wish list
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Post by: Bocsius on November 24, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
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Post by: Fresh Prince on November 24, 2009, 10:17:24 PM
Dead Souls is good until the 'Concluding Chapter' of Dead Souls Pt 2 where Gogol goes religious crazy. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 24, 2009, 10:31:07 PM
It's all Malazan, all of the time in Cormacaroniville.

Just finished:

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Just started:

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RofCG gets better as it goes along, and contains at least one MAJOR plot-point that you need to know to follow the series, but it still reads like Malazan fanfic. Probably less bewildering though...ironically, for the 11th or so entry in the series, it's a better jumping-on point than any of the other books in many ways. You still need to do a ton of the detective work yourself though.

It was a relief to get back to Erikson, really. A cast of 10,000 characters in 150 different locations in time and space. A plot thick enough to stand a teaspoon in. Whole chapters that pass by without a single character being identified conclusively. Aaaah.
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Post by: OptimoPeach on November 24, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
Dead Souls is good until the 'Concluding Chapter' of Dead Souls Pt 2 where Gogol goes religious crazy. 
Don't Gogol scholars discount part 2 because it was an early draft? I seem to remember my translation making a big deal about how it was a disservice to Gogol to include it with the original.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I never actually finished Dead Souls. I was enthralled when I was actually reading it, but I lost my copy for a few weeks after I moved and then never started back up again. Now I can't find the motivation to start it over. I did the exact same shit with The Castle, ironically.  :'(

Quoting my post from the previous page since no one's gonna see it otherwise:
Has anyone read the Dark Tower series? It seems to get a lot of praise from internet nerds, but I don't think I've ever liked one of his novels from start to finish. I did enjoy the few short stories that I read, though.

Anyway, Amazon has the first 4 in a boxed set for $19 and I'm wondering whether or not I should throw it on my Christmas wish list
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 24, 2009, 10:36:23 PM
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Post by: Fresh Prince on November 24, 2009, 11:45:32 PM
Yeah Pt II is all over the place since Gogol was never happy with his drafts and burnt them and then rewrote them.
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Post by: chronovore on November 26, 2009, 03:54:28 AM
Has anyone read the Dark Tower series? It seems to get a lot of praise from internet nerds, but I don't think I've ever liked one of his novels from start to finish. I did enjoy the few short stories that I read, though.

Anyway, Amazon has the first 4 in a boxed set for $19 and I'm wondering whether or not I should throw it on my Christmas wish list
Dark Tower doesn't really read like Stephen King unless you've only read Eyes of the Dragon. The tone of that book is generally the closest to several of the DT books. Even so, the style of DT varies a lot from the first book to the fifth, which is the last one I read. It is a dark fantasy, and successful for marrying post-apocalypse, fantasy, western, and horror genres into an arguably coherent whole. However, King brings in various characters from his other works, at which point it felt like King's version of Marvel's Secret Wars: "Here is the resolution of a series of parallel worlds, all of which are in my mind. It is by design! (snurk, snurk, hyuk)" I like King, but the meta-continuity reads like masturbation at worst, and navel-gazing at best.


It's all Malazan, all of the time in Cormacaroniville.

Just finished:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51oemv%2BKApL._SS500_.jpg)

Just started:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t68ar0SFX54/SmCR4WpJgqI/AAAAAAAADdM/eJ0kJKv2KsA/s400/Dust+of+Dreams.jpg)

RofCG gets better as it goes along, and contains at least one MAJOR plot-point that you need to know to follow the series, but it still reads like Malazan fanfic. Probably less bewildering though...ironically, for the 11th or so entry in the series, it's a better jumping-on point than any of the other books in many ways. You still need to do a ton of the detective work yourself though.

It was a relief to get back to Erikson, really. A cast of 10,000 characters in 150 different locations in time and space. A plot thick enough to stand a teaspoon in. Whole chapters that pass by without a single character being identified conclusively. Aaaah.
:lol
...heh, speaking of dark fantasy. I picked up the 2nd book in the series during my vacation in August, and haven't read it yet. I sure liked Gardens of the Moon though. Erikson makes me feel like reading Gene Wolfe for a little lighter prose. :)

Lately I've been reading the last book of Peter Watts' Rifters trilogy: Behemoth, having read Starfish and Maelstrom in rapid succession. Reading Peter Watts is like encountering a really smart guy at a party, and being really interested in what he's saying, but also wishing you were having fun. I'm not sure what I'll read next.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on November 26, 2009, 04:43:37 PM
Northern Lights by Phillip Pullman.
It's a good little book. smh at future generations at reading Harry Potter garbage instead.
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Post by: chronovore on November 26, 2009, 06:40:53 PM
Northern Lights by Phillip Pullman.
It's a good little book. smh at future generations at reading Harry Potter garbage instead.
The first book is the best, sadly. After that, there are some really nihilistic passages, and the resolution feels... off.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on November 26, 2009, 06:42:14 PM
Yeah I basically spoiled myself the rest seems interesting but a tad convoluted.
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Post by: tiesto on November 26, 2009, 06:42:51 PM
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(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bIB4wDnOL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

How are these books? I've been doing a bit of work in C# lately and really enjoy it.
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Post by: Bocsius on November 26, 2009, 07:26:00 PM
C# In Depth

Essential C# 3.0 for .NET Framework 3.5

How are these books? I've been doing a bit of work in C# lately and really enjoy it.

[*The Author of the first book refers to C# not by 1.0+, 2.0, or 3.0, but simply as C# 1, 2, and 3. For the purposes of brevity, I'm doing the same here.]

I'm primarily reading through the first one now, and it's pretty good. The supposition regarding the reader is that you're experienced with C# 1 and are wanting to transition to 2 and 3, although that isn't necessarily true with me. I've worked mostly in 2 with more recent code done in 3 (when I can, one of our largest clients still runs a 2 website), but have had to do some limited 1 work because of some legacy sites.

As a result, the book hasn't necessarily covered new ground so far (particularly since I'm still in the C# 2 section), but it is providing a more detailed understanding of functionality I have already been using and presenting ideas of implementations that I've frankly never thought about.

The one drawback is that the book often uses terminology and general concepts that I am sadly not up to speed on and doesn't really put forth an effort to put things in proper english. It's not for the novice programmer, and I can only assume someone from a proper CS background would be better at dealing with the specific jargon.

One thing is for sure, it will cause you to think and to grow as a C# developer. If there are pieces of the language that you are not using or do not know well enough, this book will likely change that. I have a new purpose in life, or at least a new subpurpose, and that is simply to become a better programmer. This resource, the various blogs I'm following, and general trial and error are helping me to achieve that goal.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 26, 2009, 08:23:15 PM
Dark Tower doesn't really read like Stephen King unless you've only read Eyes of the Dragon. The tone of that book is generally the closest to several of the DT books. Even so, the style of DT varies a lot from the first book to the fifth, which is the last one I read. It is a dark fantasy, and successful for marrying post-apocalypse, fantasy, western, and horror genres into an arguably coherent whole. However, King brings in various characters from his other works, at which point it felt like King's version of Marvel's Secret Wars: "Here is the resolution of a series of parallel worlds, all of which are in my mind. It is by design! (snurk, snurk, hyuk)" I like King, but the meta-continuity reads like masturbation at worst, and navel-gazing at best.
Nah, I'm not very familiar with King's catalog of novels, especially the deviations from his typical horror stuff. It sounds fairly interesting and the set is pretty cheap, so I'll try it out. Besides, I don't think I've read anything remotely fantasy-ish since my Weis & Hickman binge when I was 12 or 13 :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tucah on November 26, 2009, 08:50:58 PM
Going through A Clash of Kings now. So far, it's good, I'm really enjoying the series so far. About halfway through this,
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Renly just got killed
[close]

I have the next two bought and waiting, so I guess that's what I'll be reading next unless I get distracted by something else.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2009, 10:07:15 PM
Started on two NBA books I bought myself 'for Christmas'

- The Breaks of the Game by David Halberstam

about the 1980 Portland Trailblazers, post-championship, post-Bill Walton. Great fun. He really digs into how the influx of TV money changed the sport.

- The Book of Basketball by Bill Simmons

You may think Simmons is a joke, but there is no denying that the NBA is his passion or that his knowledge of it is encyclopaedic, and this feels like the culmination of everything he's written. I'm loving it so far.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 11, 2009, 02:29:54 PM
I'm still reading that Wasteland short story compilation. Last night I read through a short about the end of the world and its effect on the Internet (from the point of view of a Systems Admin). Its probably the most realistic take on such an event I've read. It was chock full of nerdisms, snarkiness and IRC chatting.
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Post by: drew on December 11, 2009, 02:31:17 PM
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Post by: chronovore on December 12, 2009, 08:27:47 AM
Just finished Peter Watts' Rifters trilogy on a binge - Behemoth (B-max/Seppuku) may have turned him from a new favorite to a questionable selection in the future. His Blindsight book was just fantastic; incredibly suspenseful and insightful, just about everything I could have hoped for in hard SF. The first two Rifters books, Starfish and Maelstrom, were also very good, but by the third I was having trouble with the overall darkness of the books, and the utter lack of hope for humanity shown in them.

I know in any book that seeks to chart the end of the world, there are going to be losses of characters, and plenty of stresses acting on people, but as much as I was prepared to deal with rooting for the bad guy through all of Maelstrom, I wasn't really ready to go back to dealing with that character as a sympathetic protagonist, nor to have one of the arguable heroes from the 2nd book "turn heel" in an insanely epic fashion. Watts' logic is fine, mostly sadly believable, and no character is perfectly heroic or bad, which makes it even easier to believe, but it seems Watts is also completely bereft of hope or faith in humanity as he makes his predictive arc.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on January 10, 2010, 06:34:58 PM
Milan Kundera- Lightness of Being

It was good. Be interested in how bad the movie really is.
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Post by: Eric P on January 10, 2010, 07:15:14 PM
i'm kind of between books having wrapped Cure for Night yesterday.  I've dipped my toes into Taqwacores and Eddie Pyle's Brave Men, but I've also got a collection of short stories looking at the bible in a humorous manner which I need to read.

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Post by: etiolate on January 10, 2010, 09:01:16 PM
TC Boyle <3


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russian men out in the wilderness, all alone
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Post by: chronovore on January 10, 2010, 09:25:12 PM
Picked up Darkly Dreaming Dexter, and enjoying a return to apparently unemotional Dexter, since he seems to be approaching human by the end of Season 2.
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Post by: ch1nchilla on January 11, 2010, 05:02:42 AM
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Reading 2666 by Roberto Bolaño. Just finished the first part of the book. Some of it is bleak, some of it is hilarious, and it's super compelling / readable  despite being 900 PAGES. :o That being said, I may take a break after reading part 2 and come back to it after I read something else. The last book I read was Hear the Wind Sing[/b], the first work by Haruki Murakami (one of my favorite authors). It was really short, but awesome to see the start of some of his crazy idiosyncrasies.
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Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2010, 08:22:35 AM
i love roberto boleno but jesus the dude is the tupac of the latin literary scene.  he has four books coming out this year, a few of them "just discovered"
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Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2010, 08:33:07 AM
well he'd been writing for a while but i think his first book published in america was The Savage Detectives in 06 or so, so a lot of this stuff is essentially untranslated, but this year, there is his 'FINAL NOVEL DELIVERED TO HIS PUBLISHER' and an "UNKNOWN MANUSCRIPT" so I can kind of see it.

Guardian States 2 new novels found in papers
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/10/spain-roberto-bolantildeo

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Post by: Groogrux on January 11, 2010, 09:15:23 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BRTDqcbpL._SX500_.jpg)

I catch a lot of weird looks for being a guy and reading his books, since most of my friends are reading Hunter S. Thompson and Steven King.  This is his fourth book though, and I've been reading them as they come out since I was assigned to read his first book in college.  Good stuff.
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Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2010, 09:37:07 AM
I went back to Robert Little's The Company, a 900+ page monster novel about the CIA

I got up to 250 pages then sat it down for several months and now, I'm kind of between bouts of inspiration on what to read, so I figured I'll tackle a bit more of this. 

Between last night and my commute I've cleared about 50 more pages, but who knows how long this will last
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 11, 2010, 07:56:35 PM
Finished up You Gotta Have Wa last night, time for a new book...
(http://www.wikiwak.com/image/Murakami+After+Dark.jpg)
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 11, 2010, 08:08:25 PM
Finished up You Gotta Have Wa last night, time for a new book...

What did you think? I thought it was cool, but it definitely felt dated. But I don't really know how much stuff has changed in the past 20 years.
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Post by: Oblivion on January 11, 2010, 08:17:07 PM
(http://books.hanshi.com/War.jpg)
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 11, 2010, 08:20:38 PM
I'm still reading off and on:
(http://www.harpercollins.com/harperimages/isbn/large/8/9780060974688.jpg)
Just a beast of a book, sometimes I get overwhelmed.

Ripped through this:
(http://www.actapublications.com/images/large/THTBA10.jpg)
Half writing, half stats. I did skip over some of the writing in the "History" section, but what I did read was almost all great. Didn't bother looking through many of the stats because they're online anyway.

Now going to start:
(http://literarymumblings.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/fahrenheit451.jpg)
Been meaning to read it forever since I love dystopian stuff.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 11, 2010, 08:37:19 PM
Finished up You Gotta Have Wa last night, time for a new book...

What did you think? I thought it was cool, but it definitely felt dated. But I don't really know how much stuff has changed in the past 20 years.

I liked it a lot. I have the 2009 updated version, but all it adds are a new introduction and an epilogue. I wish there was a 90/00's version of the book. Reading more about Bobby Valentine and Trey Hilman running the Fighters would be really interesting.

Finished up You Gotta Have Wa last night, time for a new book...
:drool

What other Murakami have you read?

Pretty much everything he's written. I just finished up Underground: The Tokyo Gas Attack recently. I've had After Dark for a while, but I'm just finding books fun to read again (going into graduate school immediately after undergrad ruined the concept of reading fun for A LONG TIME). Gonna track down English versions of Hear the Wing Sing and Pinball, 1973 while I'm in Tokyo.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on January 11, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
I read Fahrenheit when I was 12 or so, great book. More recently (8 years ago) I read Dandelion Wine and I remember it being good.
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Post by: ch1nchilla on January 11, 2010, 11:43:21 PM
After Dark is one of my least favorite Murakami novels (abstract even for him), but it's still a good read. Pretty short too. I'm honestly trying to expand beyond Murakami because he's all I've read consistently for a good 2 years. Hence, 2666.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 11:48:08 PM
I am reading Cat's Cradle.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 12, 2010, 12:12:40 AM
After Dark is one of my least favorite Murakami novels (abstract even for him), but it's still a good read. Pretty short too. I'm honestly trying to expand beyond Murakami because he's all I've read consistently for a good 2 years. Hence, 2666.

Yeah, I need to read something different after it. I'll probably read Superfreakanomics next.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2010, 12:24:19 AM
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Finished this a few days ago. Lots of superheroic fun. He has a pretty impressive resume as a writer for games too.
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Post by: Groogrux on January 12, 2010, 02:05:09 AM
Cajole I'm going to start reading Fahrenheit 451 this week too :rock

I just finished it a few weeks ago and loved it.  I promptly followed with a letter of apology to my high school English teachers for being such a stubborn asshole and not doing my reading assignments.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2010, 02:13:33 AM
After Fahrenheit 451,  you guys should read The Great Gatsby, Frankenstein, 1984, Pride and Prejudice, Lord of the Flies and A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man as well.

thanks teach!
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2010, 02:14:58 AM
They are awesome!

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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2010, 02:26:05 AM
It failed to hold your interest because it is shit. I never got more than a few hundred pages into it myself.

Malazan isn't really a series in any conventional way, so very hard to compare. The only reason they get compared is because most folks haven't read anything else in the genre. Erikson is a genuine talent: a world-class writer with huge ambition. Martin is just a good, solid story-teller with a wooden ear for dialogue and a knack for timely twist. On the other hand, Erikson really doesn't give a shit whether you are capable of keeping up or not. He'll do things like pick up a plotline from (literally) 2,000 pages ago without giving you the slightest warning, only he uses totally different names for all the characters because that's how they are known over here on the other side of the world. If you figure it out, it's incredibly fun and rewarding, if you don't and just go with the flow, you'll still have a lot of fun. But if you like everything wrapped up neatly, stay the hell away.
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Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2010, 02:31:59 AM
I am reading Cat's Cradle.
My favorite Vonnegut book. I actually just finished The Sirens of Titan.

Right now I'm on the first novel in the Dark Tower series. I got a whole shitload of books for Christmas, and I'm feeling kinda guilty because I've been shitting away all my free time on vidya instead
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Post by: Ecrofirt on January 12, 2010, 02:38:11 AM
I recently finished Nightfall And Other Stories, and I'm now working through 50 Short Science Fiction Tales.

While I'm enjoying the science fiction quite a bit, I'd like to move on to horror after this.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2010, 02:39:28 AM
Also, fantasy is a lot better when it's not in long series'. Doorstep trilogies are the worst the genre has to offer.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2010, 03:58:32 AM
GS, go with Game of Thrones. You won't be disappointed, I guarantee it
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Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2010, 04:12:08 AM
Currently reading The Myth of Sisyphus and other essays by Albert Camus.  Sometimes when I'm reading something I marvel how a perfect a time in my life it is for me to be reading a certain book, and this is one of those times.
Ha I know that feeling. Been on a Vonnegut binge of sorts for the past year or 2 because the themes in his works resonate so soundly with me being the callow, angsty semi-adult that I am
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Post by: Flannel Boy on January 12, 2010, 04:15:38 AM
Materials on Canadian Income Tax

 :-\ So painful.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2010, 08:43:55 AM
Also, fantasy is a lot better when it's not in long series'. Doorstep trilogies are the worst the genre has to offer.

agree times a billion

but then i hate epic fantasy and love pulp fantasy
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2010, 09:51:08 AM
I use stanza.

there's a pretty good PDF conversion that you can do w/ a mac, so i have a handful of pirated Terry Pratchett books I keep on there.  I don't really like the Iphone for long reading bouts, so I haven't gotten much further than a dozen pages in anything.

Here's what I dl for free from Stanza's servers

Carnaki, The Ghost Finder
The House of Souls
Masterpieces of Mystery In Four Volumes
The Night of the Long Knives
Perdido Street Station
the Screaming Mimi
Old Testament Legends
The Three Impostors

Really just classic horror stuff.  if you like the lovecraft, then please check out anything by M. R. James, Oliver Onions, William Hope Hodgeson, Arthur Machen, et al

See if you can find Supernatural Horror in Literature by Lovecraft to read about what he liked and sought to emulate.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2010, 10:14:35 AM
oh, for stanza

there may be one for pc, dunno

edit: yeah it exists for pc too

http://www.lexcycle.com/
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2010, 05:28:41 PM
I'm not a big on fantasy/fiction novels, so when a friend who considers LotR as the pinnacle of the genre asks if I could name a better series/book nothing comes to my other than Sword of Truth and Wheel if Time (both which I haven't touched), which he still considers inferior to LotR.

Someone help me prove this Tolkientard wrong. This should be easy since this debate is as old as the Internet itself. 

Tell your friend to buy Game of Thrones. I really like LOTR, it was one of the first fantasy series I read, I love the films etc...but Martin's series (A Song of Ice and Fire) is far better in my opinion.
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 05:28:49 PM
i am currently reading Joe Ambercrombie's The First Law trilogy which is "fantasy noir" that is; fantasy - faggotry and I'm really impressed with it.  Very pulpy.  Very brutish.  Very dark.  Very funny.  So perhaps suggest that?

I think you'll get reccs for George RR Martin's stuff and Malazan, but I didn't really enjoy either of those


Quote
Fantasy is kinda gay, and mostly a dead genre.

before i started to read ambercrombie, i'd have agreed with you.  this stuff harkens back to the fantasy i like.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2010, 05:30:35 PM
GS, go with Game of Thrones. You won't be disappointed, I guarantee it

Yeah, just recommend the only one you've read. Why not throw in Harry Potter while you're at it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2010, 05:31:49 PM
i am currently reading Joe Ambercrombie's The First Law trilogy which is "fantasy noir" that is; fantasy - faggotry and I'm really impressed with it.  Very pulpy.  Very brutish.  Very dark.  Very funny.  So perhaps suggest that?

I think you'll get reccs for George RR Martin's stuff and Malazan, but I didn't really enjoy either of those


Quote
Fantasy is kinda gay, and mostly a dead genre.

before i started to read ambercrombie, i'd have agreed with you.  this stuff harkens back to the fantasy i like.

I quite enjoyed this! It's mediocre at the beginning but once you start to see where he's going with it, it becomes increasingly awesome all the way to the end. Utter trash but fun.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 05:36:07 PM
i am currently reading Joe Ambercrombie's The First Law trilogy which is "fantasy noir" that is; fantasy - faggotry and I'm really impressed with it.  Very pulpy.  Very brutish.  Very dark.  Very funny.  So perhaps suggest that?

I think you'll get reccs for George RR Martin's stuff and Malazan, but I didn't really enjoy either of those


Quote
Fantasy is kinda gay, and mostly a dead genre.

before i started to read ambercrombie, i'd have agreed with you.  this stuff harkens back to the fantasy i like.

I quite enjoyed this! It's mediocre at the beginning but once you start to see where he's going with it, it becomes increasingly awesome all the way to the end. Utter trash but fun.

i went from trying to read malazan stuff again to reading best served cold so that's where my appreciation is. 

I'm 100 pages in and it's entertaining me so I'm not really seeing the mediocrity at this point
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2010, 05:36:34 PM
I've heard very good things about Ambercrombie's First Law series, and definitely want to start it soon. On the flip side I haven't read or heard anything about Malazan that makes me interested in it. Sounds too bloated with poor characterization and too many heroes killing scores of enemies without breaking a sweat. Meh

Also, last time I went to Barnes and Noble I read some of Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay. Really liked what I read, but didn't have enough cash on hand to get it. I'm definitely going to pick it up next time I go shopping

Cormacaroni: uhhhh, no
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 13, 2010, 06:17:09 PM
Fantasy is kinda gay, and mostly a dead genre.  Read sci-fi instead.

I agree, but then again I've read no fantasy.

Anyway, ripped through Fahrenheit 451, since it's basically a novella. Very good.

Now I am reading:

(http://holdencaulfieldisms.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/9780316925280_388x586.jpg)

Never read any David Foster Wallace outside of his Federer piece for Play Magazine, but only 40 pages in and I'm really fucking impressed.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 13, 2010, 06:23:31 PM
Fantasy is kinda gay, and mostly a dead genre.  Read sci-fi instead.

I have zero interest in sci-fi and fantasy novels. I mean, I like the magical realism elements of Murakami, but I wouldn't call it sci-fi or fantasy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 06:32:44 PM
what is magical realism if not fantasy for the 'i'm to good for fantasy' set?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 13, 2010, 06:37:47 PM
what is magical realism if not fantasy for the 'i'm to good for fantasy' set?

I guess I'd define fantasy as swords and sorcerers, which I don't have any interest in.
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 06:40:38 PM
and that i think is the main issue

fantasy post tolkein has been coopted to this tiny shred of what fantasy can be and can do

it's just one of those things that just drives me up the wall. 

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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 13, 2010, 06:43:40 PM
i just obtained a dozen or so jim thompson books, and plan on working my way through those
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 06:48:31 PM
we should take back the term Romance but that's been coopted as well

fucking marketeers.

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i just obtained a dozen or so jim thompson books, and plan on working my way through those

did you get Roughneck, perchance?  I think that's my favorite of his books.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 13, 2010, 06:57:46 PM
yes i did!
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 13, 2010, 07:01:52 PM
define what real literature means to you
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2010, 07:05:50 PM

Cormacaroni: uhhhh, no

Yeah. He asked for a pick between Song of Fire and Malazan, you chimed in with a hearty recommendation for the only one of the two you've read. Not much different from Willco trolling Avatar without seeing it, really.  It really isn't much help, unless for some reason he respects your literary tastes wildly. Which, no offense, would be a bit of a stretch.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2010, 07:07:38 PM
and that i think is the main issue

fantasy post tolkein has been coopted to this tiny shred of what fantasy can be and can do

it's just one of those things that just drives me up the wall. 


Absolutely. But The First Law is absolutely firmly and knowingly in this category. Also, Raymond E. Feist better than Tolkien? PLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASE Kosma
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Post by: OptimoPeach on January 13, 2010, 07:08:38 PM
Fantasy is kinda gay, and mostly a dead genre.  Read sci-fi instead.

I have zero interest in sci-fi
Read some Philip K. Dick
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 13, 2010, 07:16:57 PM
Shit Cajole you're fast. I haven't started reading it  :-[

I don't have much else to do, and I had been slacking on reading for a little while. You'll see why I got through it so fast, though. It's a very short and easy read, although I do think I prefer The Martian Chronicles (the other Bradbury I've read). Such a fantastic collection of short stories.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2010, 08:54:55 PM
That's actually pretty hard to define. Strong, well-developed themes and characters together with excellent use of prose are some of the things that would go into it. Basically a work that has something to say.

What I should have asked is "give me some fantasy that you feel qualifies as real literature." I personally think that works in any genre can have literary merit, and I kinda hate the people who exclude genre fiction from consideration for top prizes like the Pulitzer.

The Fantasy Masterworks series is a great place to start. Much of it is bordering on SF or regular literature. Multiple entries from the likes of Jonathan Carroll and M. John Harrison. I've been collecting these and have yet to be disappointed (and Eric P got one of 'em too!)
http://www.sfsite.com/lists/orion05.htm

Riftwar is trash, sorry. It may be fun but it certainly doesn't belong on the list above.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 13, 2010, 08:59:18 PM
PKD :bow2
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 09:17:24 PM
define what real literature means to you
Books about quirky white people and their family problems.

sooooo, elric?
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 09:17:55 PM
and that i think is the main issue

fantasy post tolkein has been coopted to this tiny shred of what fantasy can be and can do

it's just one of those things that just drives me up the wall. 


Absolutely. But The First Law is absolutely firmly and knowingly in this category.

yes

totally 1000000%

but  BUT

it's awesome
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Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
That's actually pretty hard to define. Strong, well-developed themes and characters together with excellent use of prose are some of the things that would go into it. Basically a work that has something to say.

What I should have asked is "give me some fantasy that you feel qualifies as real literature." I personally think that works in any genre can have literary merit, and I kinda hate the people who exclude genre fiction from consideration for top prizes like the Pulitzer.

The Fantasy Masterworks series is a great place to start. Much of it is bordering on SF or regular literature. Multiple entries from the likes of Jonathan Carroll and M. John Harrison. I've been collecting these and have yet to be disappointed (and Eric P got one of 'em too!)
http://www.sfsite.com/lists/orion05.htm

Riftwar is trash, sorry. It may be fun but it certainly doesn't belong on the list above.

fuck i need like a ton of these

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Darker Than You Think & Other Novels by Jack Williamson
"The unsettling dreams begin for small-town reporter Will Barbee not long after he first meets the mysterious and beautiful April Bell. They are vivid, powerful and deeply disturbing nightmares in which he commits atrocious acts. And, one by one, his friends are meeting violent deaths. It is clear to Barbee that he is embroiled in something far beyond human understanding, something unspeakably evil. And it intimately involves the seductive, dangerously intoxicating April, and the question, 'Who is the Child of the Night?' When he discovers the answer to that, his world will change utterly. "

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2010, 09:49:34 PM

Cormacaroni: uhhhh, no

Yeah. He asked for a pick between Song of Fire and Malazan, you chimed in with a hearty recommendation for the only one of the two you've read. Not much different from Willco trolling Avatar without seeing it, really.  It really isn't much help, unless for some reason he respects your literary tastes wildly. Which, no offense, would be a bit of a stretch.


First, you don't know what I have and haven't read for the most part, so I have no idea what those last two sentences are suggesting; I've read more than Harry Potter and the bible, if you must know. Second, I wasn't trolling so the Willco comparison is ridiculous. I merely stated everything I've heard about Malazan suggests I should stay away from it, and that Thrones is fuck awesome.

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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2010, 10:59:03 PM
Uh, I've seen multiple posts from you saying how you haven't read Malazan and aren't interested. Your love of Martin is equally public. I'm not arguing with your taste, I'm just pointing out that you are unqualified to answer that question.

IN OTHER WORDS, FUCK U FANBOI

(i've read all the Song of Fire stuff too btw, but given a choice between that and Erikson...my god, it isn't even a serious discussion)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2010, 11:03:56 PM
Eric P -

Have you read Replay by Ken Grimwood? An absolute gem from that series that i'd never heard of before. Maybe i mentioned it to you already on FB or something.
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Post by: Eric P on January 14, 2010, 08:14:19 AM
no i haven't

i'll see if my library has it
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2010, 01:29:20 PM
Uh, I've seen multiple posts from you saying how you haven't read Malazan and aren't interested. Your love of Martin is equally public. I'm not arguing with your taste, I'm just pointing out that you are unqualified to answer that question.

IN OTHER WORDS, FUCK U FANBOI

(i've read all the Song of Fire stuff too btw, but given a choice between that and Erikson...my god, it isn't even a serious discussion)

Fair enough.

btw, have you read Tigana?
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 14, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
just finished POP. 1280

what a weird ending
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Post by: Fresh Prince on January 14, 2010, 03:35:24 PM
I sped through Cat's Cradle, I like the shorter style a lot.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2010, 08:14:46 PM
Uh, I've seen multiple posts from you saying how you haven't read Malazan and aren't interested. Your love of Martin is equally public. I'm not arguing with your taste, I'm just pointing out that you are unqualified to answer that question.

IN OTHER WORDS, FUCK U FANBOI

(i've read all the Song of Fire stuff too btw, but given a choice between that and Erikson...my god, it isn't even a serious discussion)

Fair enough.

btw, have you read Tigana?

Twice, actually. It's a bit Harlequin romance but there's just something about it.
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Post by: Reb on January 15, 2010, 04:30:39 AM
(http://curiousvillager.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/eating_animals2.jpg)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2010, 09:35:28 PM
went book shopping and got

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51dNDN%2BTwqL._SS500_.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BVow4bcCL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
Does it matter which Culture book you start with?
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 15, 2010, 09:38:09 PM
Nixonland was very good, I thought.

Anyway, I'm re-reading Disney War.  I love corporate exposes.  I want to get some more history books but I can't think of anything compelling.  I wanted some reading material over Afrocommunism or non-fiction regarding socialism in Africa.  Can't find any at the moment?  Any suggestions?
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Post by: Fresh Prince on January 15, 2010, 10:26:25 PM
I'm going to start 2666- better be good.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2010, 11:25:02 PM
PD - in case you missed the other message i sent, the Culture books are all standalone, jump in anywhere.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 15, 2010, 11:32:49 PM
readin' through the r. scott bakker "prince of nothing" trilogy again, then gonna start "the judging eye"

mmm, fantasy pulp
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2010, 01:39:17 PM
PD - in case you missed the other message i sent, the Culture books are all standalone, jump in anywhere.
kk

Started Nixonland, it's pretty awesome, plus it's not hard to pick up on the parallels between the toxic political climate of the 1964-68 elections and today.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 16, 2010, 07:03:53 PM
Only have one essay left in A Supposed Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again (and I skipped one about Lost Highway because I haven't seen it -- even though I have no doubt I'd still immensely enjoy it), but the second-to-last essay is probably the best piece of sportswriting I've ever read. Yes, it's about tennis, but it's still brilliantly entertaining and insightful and Christ, Wallace really is a genius.

I found it online, complete with its massive footnotes that sometimes don't even fit on the screen when you scroll over them.

http://www.esquire.com/features/sports/the-string-theory-0796
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Post by: Eric P on January 16, 2010, 07:46:40 PM
yeah, same order here

didn't like the ending to use of weapons
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 16, 2010, 07:48:03 PM
yeah, same order here

didn't like the ending to use of weapons

:(
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 16, 2010, 09:09:40 PM
halfway through the killer inside me

thompson sure does love him some twisted lawmen
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Post by: Eric P on January 16, 2010, 09:56:20 PM
love the ending to that.

love jim thomspson so much
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 16, 2010, 09:58:35 PM
i'm in awe of his word economy, his prose is so lean and tight

yeah, sometimes the plot coincidences are a little out there, but that's part of why i like it
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 17, 2010, 03:56:36 AM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu at that ending

little confusing, but great stuff

i don't know how in the hell they're gonna pull that off in the movie
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2010, 04:48:44 AM
Use of Weapons is the second Culture I'd read.  Player of Games introduces the Culture as a whole better.

Well, maybe. If you like the speculative anthropology stuff more than the actual novels. Anyway, it's like choosing between my children so i'll stop there. (Also, I only have one child so that analogy doesn't hold up to scrutiny very well, does it)
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Post by: Green Shinobi on January 17, 2010, 09:35:09 AM
Fahrenheit 451 is a classic. Along with 1984 it's definitely my favorite of the dystopian novels.
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Post by: Green Shinobi on January 17, 2010, 09:44:49 AM
I read Brave New World a few years ago. I did like it quite a bit, but I thought it was a little ham-fisted with its message in comparison to the other two. I also didn't like the characters nearly as much. That's not to say it's a bad book though. As I said, it was quite good. Just not quite on the same level as 1984/Fahrenheit.

Right now I'm reading this:

(http://responsiblemarketing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/the-tipping-point-by-malcolm-gladwell.jpg)

It's quite fascinating, and it makes me kinda want to go into marketing.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on January 17, 2010, 09:51:22 AM
Use of Weapons is the second Culture I'd read.  Player of Games introduces the Culture as a whole better.
That's the order that I read the books in also, and I agree. I think I liked Player of Games better than Use of Weapons, and not just because of the ending.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 18, 2010, 01:20:24 AM
YOU MOTHERFUCKERS IGNORED MY POST FUCK YOU

AND AFTER READING FAHRENHEIT 451, 1984 DESTROYS THE FUCK OUT OF  IT
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 18, 2010, 01:20:55 AM
FUCK THE MOTHERFUCKERS THAT IGNORED YOU
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2010, 01:35:56 AM
Use of Weapons is the second Culture I'd read.  Player of Games introduces the Culture as a whole better.
That's the order that I read the books in also, and I agree. I think I liked Player of Games better than Use of Weapons, and not just because of the ending.

That's also the order in which I read them, and the order of relative publication, but I wouldn't ever recommend anyone to start listening to the Beatles from their first album, say. I'd start with the one I think they'd enjoy reading the most. Plus, he actually has a copy of Use of Weapons, so he should just jump in rather than wait 'til he gets a copy of Player of Games first.

THAT SAID, Player of Games is a lot more approachable, plot-wise. Use of Weapons is a bit of a headfuck.

I've started on The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Deathly dull so far but I can only hope it picks up. My current 'toilet book' is Bob Dylan's Chronicles, which is so awesome I may promote it to 'train book' status.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2010, 08:29:23 AM
Halfway through Savage Night in my Jim Thompson-athon

In the first half of the book, a hired killer posing as a college student fucks a crippled chick with a malformed hand and a vestigal baby foot growing out of her knee stump.

i would probably suck jim thompson's dick were he still alive

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Post by: Eric P on January 18, 2010, 09:47:06 AM
had you never read him before?

he's some dark, twisted shit

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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2010, 10:18:40 AM
no, i was never into crime fiction when i was younger

after i plow through thompson i'm gonna start on some david goodis, then ed lacy
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Post by: Eric P on January 18, 2010, 10:23:53 AM
make sure to check out some Patricia Highsmith. 
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2010, 10:26:40 AM
will do

i've been getting a lot of stuff here:  http://www.munseys.com/
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2010, 10:35:26 AM
i just read up on patricia highsmith

let's see - wrote comics in the 40s, bisexual, anti-semitic, hated america, alcoholic with a cruel personality

maybe i'll start on her stuff next
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Post by: Green Shinobi on January 18, 2010, 10:39:04 AM
Edit: n/m, bad joke.
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Post by: Eric P on January 18, 2010, 10:42:11 AM
i just read up on patricia highsmith

let's see - wrote comics in the 40s, bisexual, anti-semitic, hated america, alcoholic with a cruel personality

maybe i'll start on her stuff next

the talented mr ripley books are a great place to start

they're all wonderful except for the last one, which while good, doesn't really attain the heights of her previous books in the series.

the blunderer is probably my favorite of her stand alone books.  the main character makes some really poor life choices

edit: nice on the munsey's.  i didn't know about the site until now
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2010, 10:49:30 AM
yeah, i think i'll start with those

i was aware of her name and some of the novels she'd written, but i'd never thought to look her up before

i consider myself to be fairly well-knowledged in golden and silver age comic history (and oh how that has proven useful in the real world), but i can't recall ever reading anything about her work during that time, so that was a weird little shock

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Post by: Eric P on January 18, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
have you ever read any of the stuff alfred bester wrote?

i haven't really tried to track it down but it's always been at the back of my mind
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2010, 10:56:19 AM
i've probably read quite a few, i have a ton of dc archives and golden age reprints - nothing i can name by story title or issue, though

if i can dig it up i think there is an issue of alter ego with his comic bibliography
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2010, 10:58:23 AM
nevermind, here you go:

http://www.comics.org/writer/name/alfred%20bester/sort/alpha/

(i doubt this is complete)

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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2010, 11:02:45 AM
also:

http://www.comics.org/writer/name/mickey%20spillane/sort/alpha/

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Post by: Disposable White Guy on January 18, 2010, 11:06:09 AM
@Kosma:  I just finished off Exiles Return last night and was sorely disappointed.  Feist was starting to show some of the magic (hurr hurr) he'd begun with in the Riftwar Saga and slowly lost somewhere halfway through Rage of a Demon King.  I'm still addicted to his style/characters though, and I have a Borders giftcard so I was thinking about picking up the first of the Darkwar Saga.  Still on the fence.

I got a copy of Hearts in Atlantis for Christmas and got through the first story today.  It's alright so far, but I can't help but feel that King just took his leftover notes from The Regulators and added some fluff to them.  The next one seems a little more promising.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2010, 01:33:33 PM
wow, that ending was thoroughly bizarre, not sure if i liked it, took a turn for the surreal out of nowhere
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2010, 08:10:51 PM
Read Game of Thrones and stop bitching
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2010, 08:19:55 PM
tiny minds can't handle Malazan, this is true
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2010, 08:39:21 PM
tiny minds can't handle Malazan, this is true
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2010, 08:45:24 PM
cry away. just don't sit there with 8,000-plus posts on EB and tell me you don't have free time to spend on meaningless entertainment :lol
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2010, 08:59:46 PM
Well, I warn everyone going in that it's a challenge, requires commitment to get the most out of it, and that it'll drive you nuts at times. At the risk of sounding overly pretentious, it's more akin to Gravity's Rainbow or The Infinite Jest than Riftwar. But if you are still reading Riftwar spin-offs, you are wasting your time in a far more egregious fashion. Generally, you seem to read interesting, challenging stuff so I'm a little surprised that you're giving up on Malazan.
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Post by: chronovore on January 20, 2010, 04:00:33 AM
Just finished Darkly Dreaming Dexter; I enjoy the more inhuman Dexter the books show, and the ending is genuinely suspenseful, even if a little bit too pat.

I also enjoyed the book version of LaGuerta, and her character progression...
spoiler (click to show/hide)
inasmuch as the bitch dies
[close]
...so that's more enjoyable than the TV version. I'm interested to see where they take it. I read the wiki just enough to know different the books are, and the lessened presence/impact of the side characters is a selling point when contrasted to the lame side stories they've been given in the first two seasons of the TV show. The language in the books is light and breezy though the coincidences and some of the internal monologues seem unnecessarily trite.

Reading Kirino Natsuo's Out, which is so far proving unexciting.
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Post by: brawndolicious on January 25, 2010, 04:25:02 PM
(http://dogearedandwellread.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/columbine-cover.jpg)

Somebody recommended it on GAF and it's definitely one of the best books I've read in the last few years (I stick to non-fiction).  It gives a detailed portrait of the killers' minds and how the media misrepresented a lot of the stereotypes about their lives and cliches that are associated with school shooters.  There's also like no wasted chapters in this book, it constantly dissects things that you'd never know were important about the event like the early signs that Harris was a psycopath or how Klebold was suicidal.  I also loved how the author likes to jump back and forth in the timeline to give the dozens of different points of view on the shooting and on the lead-up and the aftermath.  Some parts of it are pretty fucked up to read through but I think this is the type of book every teenager needs to read.
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Post by: Eric P on January 25, 2010, 04:50:21 PM
i'm reading some Terry Pratchett, having found one of his books at The Strand for half a dollar. 

Up next is Edmund Wilson's To The Finland Station which I'm picking up from the Library on my way home tonight

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/03/24/030324crat_atlarge?currentPage=all
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Post by: Eric P on January 27, 2010, 10:46:58 AM
currently reading Edmund Wilson's To The Finland Station

not what i expected, but quite good anyway
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Post by: Eric P on January 27, 2010, 11:23:18 AM
I haven't hit on that part yet

it's talking about the historians who wrote about the french revolution and paris communes so far.  it's big on people but not on movements, so far

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Post by: brob on January 27, 2010, 11:48:51 AM
Anyone read All the Pretty Horses and would like to toss out an opinion? I got a paperback of all the pretty horses and the two following books. It's thick as hell so I've kinda put it off, but I really liked the road, so I might give it a twirl.


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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 28, 2010, 04:56:56 AM
All the Pretty Horses? just read it.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on January 28, 2010, 06:20:59 AM
Uh, I've seen multiple posts from you saying how you haven't read Malazan and aren't interested. Your love of Martin is equally public. I'm not arguing with your taste, I'm just pointing out that you are unqualified to answer that question.

IN OTHER WORDS, FUCK U FANBOI

(i've read all the Song of Fire stuff too btw, but given a choice between that and Erikson...my god, it isn't even a serious discussion)

Fair enough.

btw, have you read Tigana?

Twice, actually. It's a bit Harlequin romance but there's just something about it.

Have you read any of Kay's other stuff? I usually recommend Tigana as a great standalone book, but I prefer his pseudo-historical books the most. The two Sarantine Mosaic is one of my favorite books ever.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 28, 2010, 06:41:30 AM
I read his first quadrilogy thing after Tigana (picked it up dirt cheap at a 2nd hand store) but didn't like it much at all. Cliche after cliche, plus he wasn't as good a writer then. I've heard good things about the Sarantine books but haven't checked them out yet. thanks for the reminder.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on February 11, 2010, 09:30:28 PM
Finished reading this short about a scenario where a highly communicable disease arises (that causes physical deformation and "supposedly" death), the government puts said people in camps to keep them away from the general population. Years go on and they develop their own society. Farther down the timeline is where the reader is dropped and sees everything through the eyes of an older woman who knew how life was before being placed in the camp. She has insight on how things are outside and inside, insight children born into the camp do not have. Its a wonderful way to keep the reader connected to the scenario through this woman.

It also deals with depression and its ability to cause us to become lethargic and choose not to act when action is called for. It was a great read and I sort of welled up a bit at the final statement.

Its called "Inertia" by Nancy Krees for those interested (its part of the Wasteland Stories compilation)
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Post by: Eric P on February 11, 2010, 11:10:03 PM
i am reading The White Lioness, the third book in the Wallander series

mmmm, social concern novel masked as detective fiction
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Post by: Barry Egan on February 12, 2010, 12:52:03 AM
I have not been reading anything.   :greenshinobi


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Post by: etiolate on February 12, 2010, 12:58:23 AM
(http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/classics/russian/td/dead.gif)
(https://www.floridabooks.net/catalog/images/books/0-06-091648-6.jpg)

May finish off the first one later.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on February 13, 2010, 09:56:06 AM
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I finished the Painter of Battles earlier this week. A really unique book, unlike anything else that I've read. Art history plays a huge role in the book, and the author describes paintings in such vivid detail that it becomes a central character in itself. The ending threw me for a bit of a loop....

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I did think to myself, after Falques was thinking to himself that he would rather Olvido not make it out of their last trip alive than leave him and after the tour guide called his painting/castle evil, that Falques had something to do with how she died. I am glad that the author did not make him a killer, even though he was guilty of not warning her, it was within his overall philosophy of geometric universalism.
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Thanks to Cohen for recommending this  :-*
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Post by: Green Shinobi on February 13, 2010, 10:06:19 AM
I have not been reading anything.   :greenshinobi

Why would you use my emoticon for that? I was a lit major. It makes no sense!
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Post by: BlueTsunami on February 13, 2010, 02:20:41 PM
Yeah :lol I can't really blast through short stories, its like, I have to let a short sit with me for a day or two then I move on. Its sort of stalled me on reading in general, I should get a novel to read in between shorts or something. But I'm almost done with the compilation. I just finished reading another short though, which was nearly as good as the last. Very desolate and eerie (which I love), also had a nice take on motorcycle travel. It was by Elizabeth Bear and title "The Deep Blue Sea".
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Post by: CajoleJuice on February 13, 2010, 03:53:38 PM
I might have to check that book out, Kestastrophe. Cohen gave me another book of his and I really enjoyed it.

And I fucking rip through short stories. I think I read them faster than anything else. They're like boxes of cookies.
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Post by: Groogrux on February 15, 2010, 02:35:59 AM
Finished Eli the Good by Silas House and decided to re-read:

(http://www.randomhouse.com/images/dyn/cover/?source=9780345450692&width=165)
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Post by: brawndolicious on February 15, 2010, 07:01:59 PM
yeah I forgot like half the names of everybody mentioned.  But there's probably only a dozen people that are actually important so it wasn't too big a deal.  The book did have a huge notes section in the back that summarized the sources a little more logically too.
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Post by: tiesto on February 16, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
Been reading a bit of this every night before bed. I'm about 1/3 of the way through.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 16, 2010, 10:53:49 AM
(http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/bestsellers-2006/1370-1.jpg)

It's a bit light for my tastes.
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Post by: chronovore on February 19, 2010, 11:00:50 AM
Yeah :lol I can't really blast through short stories, its like, I have to let a short sit with me for a day or two then I move on. Its sort of stalled me on reading in general, I should get a novel to read in between shorts or something. But I'm almost done with the compilation. I just finished reading another short though, which was nearly as good as the last. Very desolate and eerie (which I love), also had a nice take on motorcycle travel. It was by Elizabeth Bear and title "The Deep Blue Sea".

Pretty sure I've read and enjoyed other Elizabeth Bear, and I've been meaning to pick up that compilation anyway. Someone recently (yesterday) asked why I like post-apocalyptic stuff. I could only guess that it has something to do with growing up in the Reagan presidency, during which it seemed like nuclear could happen almost casually.

I'm still reading Natsuo Kirino's "Out" but it's a paper book and I keep finding reasons not to carry a bookbag. So I'm also reading an e-book edition of "JUMPER" which so far appears to be a very good YA book with reasonable adult appeal (less maudlin than the first Harry Potter, at least) which was turned into a movie that shouldn't appeal to anyone (much like the first Harry Potter). The writing is simple and believable; the kid has pretty realistic reactions, though his dialog is sometimes stilted. The main character states that he reads a lot, which may explain his social awkwardness.
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Post by: Eric P on February 19, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
Been reading a bit of this every night before bed. I'm about 1/3 of the way through.

(http://www.yume.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/world-without-us.jpg)

love this book but it makes me so angry.

the bits about the subway drainers was really fascinating to me.  i love reading about huge public engineering works like that.

i'm reading the 3rd Wallander book, The White Lioness, which deals with post Apartheid south africa and a plot by some Afrikaners to kill Mandella.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 19, 2010, 12:15:47 PM
Just read L.A. Confidential by James Ellroy.  Was surprised how much was cut from the film (entire characters and subplots, and the novel takes place over the course of about 8 years).  Liked Ellroy's jump-rhythm writing style, but he carries on too long sometimes.  Probably should have started at the beginning of his "LA Quartet" series of novels, as several characters make recurring appearances across.  In the middle of Crime Wave, his collection of nonfiction and short stories.  Not digging that quite as much, but there are some highlights like Frank Sinatra being forced to take acid and ending up thinking he's Jesus.
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Post by: Eric P on February 19, 2010, 12:17:26 PM
i just tried to read American Tabloid and hated it.  Didn't get more than 100 pages in
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 19, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
I'll probably skip his "Underworld USA" trilogy, seems like he might be reaching a bit too far there.  I can buy 1950s actors and actresses participating in depraved shit, but that series seems to be a giant conspiracy theory from what I've read about it.
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Post by: Eric P on February 19, 2010, 12:23:25 PM
Is the World without Us a novel or pure information/speculation?

it's non fiction which does kind of two things.  it's 1) what would happen to the world if all humanity vanished.  it talks about rural and city areas being reclaimed by nature and 2) it talks a bit about the current enviromental changes which we cause to the earth.

the first part takes precedence and the book never really devolves into a preachy screed, but the second part is definitely there.
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Post by: Eric P on February 19, 2010, 12:24:37 PM
I'll probably skip his "Underworld USA" trilogy, seems like he might be reaching a bit too far there.  I can buy 1950s actors and actresses participating in depraved shit, but that series seems to be a giant conspiracy theory from what I've read about it.

i think the ultimate intent was to show how these people were all horrible depraved psychopaths and how their petty bickering set the country on its current course more through collusion, i think than any concentrated joint effort

but again, i got like 100 pages in and said "fuck this book"
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Post by: Mandark on February 19, 2010, 12:33:32 PM
I read L.A. Confidential first (after seeing the movie, of course), and it's fine to do it in that order.  Most of the continuity is almost fanservice.  You get a kick out of recognizing characters from the earlier books, but it's not essential for understanding the plot.

I read an interview with Ellroy where he said the sentence fragments were more of a necessity than a style decision.  The publisher told him to cut a couple hundred pages but he didn't want to lose any of the plot.

I still don't know whether he was taking the piss or not.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 19, 2010, 12:38:41 PM
I became somewhat interested in him after reading it, and dug around the net reading some old interviews.  He's...a character, to be sure, obviously lying for kicks at times.  It's very possible he was taking the piss, as his style varies wildly in Crime Wave depending on the story but the fragments are still present (although their usage is diminished).
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Post by: Mandark on February 19, 2010, 12:48:53 PM
The fragments get more and more prominent as the series progresses.  It's not as prominent in Black Dahlia, and it's not anywhere in some of his earlier stuff.

I got through American Tabloid, but it left me not wanting to read the other books in the series.  By that point the writing was so cut up and the characters so relentlessly unlikeable that it wasn't fun for me anymore.  But this was almost a decade ago and I refuse to vouch for my own opinion after about five years.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2010, 02:57:56 PM
Just read L.A. Confidential by James Ellroy.  Was surprised how much was cut from the film (entire characters and subplots, and the novel takes place over the course of about 8 years).  Liked Ellroy's jump-rhythm writing style, but he carries on too long sometimes.  Probably should have started at the beginning of his "LA Quartet" series of novels, as several characters make recurring appearances across.  In the middle of Crime Wave, his collection of nonfiction and short stories.  Not digging that quite as much, but there are some highlights like Frank Sinatra being forced to take acid and ending up thinking he's Jesus.

Would have been awesome if he'd then met Elton John.
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Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2010, 10:01:06 AM
The Big Machine so far is probably the most amazing book I've yet read this year.

It's starts off as a group of down on their luck black people pulled together from horrible circumstances to do research, looking for elements of "the voice" in every day life by sorting through thousands of news papers. The Voice is a voice in the wilderness which helped an escaping blind slave stumble upon two chests of spanish gold and then led him to Vermont, which had outlawed slavery the year before his escape. but then the voice went silent.

our very very unreliable narrator is an ex junkie con whose amazing past is teased out in alternating chapters where we find out about his childhood, a promise he made in 2002 which he's since broken, and his junkie past. Intercut are the exploits of this very low rent paranormal investigative agency of which he's become a part.

this book is amazing. there's a sequence in the book that when it was revealed what the segment had been building to, I literally gasped. the book had me in it's thrall, wholly and willingly subservient to the narrative. I can't wait to see where this one goes.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 02, 2010, 09:14:52 AM
thanks to the awesome e-book app on my droid, i'm reading Heart of Darkness. it's pretty good so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on March 08, 2010, 10:30:24 AM
I'm reading Voodoo Histories: The Role of the Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History.

It's a semischolarly work not so much about conspiracy theories, but rather about how they kind of spread out and affect the overall culture.

It's very informative and well researched, though it's easy to see how the author is possibly just standing on the shoulders of giants, as conspiracy debunking isn't exactly new or niche, however, as a long time fan of conspiracy theory and paranoid psychology, this book has managed to provide me with some information I didn't know previous to picking up the book.

The first section is entitled 1919 and is about how there was a general sense of people, postwar, tried to make sense of the conflict, and look for people to blame for it and how blame was ready made in the propagation of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The book goes through the history of the dispersal of The Protocols and about how it received wide and popular press from European and American newspapers, and a great deal is made of Herny Ford's latching onto the work and how he promoted it in The Dearborne Independent, his own newspaper.

The book then goes through the history debunking of the Theory, how The Protocol was essentially plagiarized from a German Right-Wing Romance (in the Sir Walter Scott, not Diane Steele mode) that had been translated to Russian, then translated back by someone claiming to have gained access to the original documents which The Protocols purport to be.

It's really fascinating reading and is highly recommended for anyone who enjoys reading about Conspiracy Theories or niche history. The book, so far, is quite well written. Informative and wryly funny.
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Post by: Disposable White Guy on March 08, 2010, 04:22:38 PM
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I don't know why I was compelled to pick this up from my bookcase.  I guess I just wanted to revisit something from high school, since I haven't read it in about 10 years.

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I got this as a Christmas gift for my dad one year and he wouldn't shut the fuck up about it, and just as strangely as re-reading The Demolished Man, I decided to grab a copy on clearance at Borders.  Haven't started yet, but it seems...ambitious.
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Post by: rodi on March 09, 2010, 07:24:54 PM
I'm in the middle of American Gods, by Neil Gaiman - strangest book ever. After the cat scene and the Ifrit thing, I just kind of put the book down and haven't picked it up since.

I replaced it with The Hobbit. So far, so good. I wanted to read it before the movie came out.
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Post by: rodi on March 09, 2010, 08:24:57 PM
I have no idea how that all ended up like that. There was no "You want to go out sometime? Coffee?", no "wanna do it?", no nothing. There was just, talking about work, "hey, I'm staying at this hotel" and then...

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...gay sex.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2010, 02:08:36 AM
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The Drawing of the Dark by Tim Powers

This has been on my shelf for a while, grabbed it more-or-less at random the other night for a bathtub read. Really fun so far, features an Irish swordsman working as a bouncer in a Viennese brew pub. Everyone he meets tries to kill him in some way or another, and he basically kills them harder, often with the help of all sorts of supernatural beasties.

As usual with Tim Powers, I have absolutely no idea where he's going with all of this. There are some veiled implications that the beer being brewed has some sort of supernatural aspect that might have something to do with repelling Suleiman's army of Turks (it's pseudo-historical). Magic beer? Please let it be so.
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Post by: naff on March 10, 2010, 11:16:50 PM
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Roberto Bolano is the man, been finding it hard to find time to finish this but it's pretty damn good. Love his other stuff (Savage Detectives, By Night in Chile + more) too.

He died while writing it too so his Son had to finish the final part. Makes it just a little more badass.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 10, 2010, 11:32:09 PM
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My wife was friends with the author growing up in Omaha. Really funny book.
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Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2010, 10:09:23 AM
Almost finished with Voodoo Histories.  There's a lot of interesting stuff in here in the form of English conspiracy theories of which I was unaware, such as the Hilda Murrell one.  She was the victim of a robbery gone wrong, but since she was also a member of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament supposedly working on a paper on Nuclear Power, she MUST have been killed by intelligence operatives.  The book paints a really interesting picture of British pop culture at the time with films like Silkwood and The China Syndrome and BBC series like In The Secret State and Edge of Darkness coupled with real life events as the Falkland Island's General Belgrano affair (wherein the British Navy sunk a vessel which was trying to leave a conflict zone and this was used as a pretext of aggression to escalate the conflict) to show that because there was a pervading sense of "things not being what they seem" and the existence of actual Goverment Coverups to blow out of proportion this whole thing.

There's also a great chapter on Holy Blood, Holy Grail / The Da Vinci Code and other psuedo-archeology like Chariots of the Gods? and the like.

I'm currently on the 9/11 Chapter but I may end up skipping this one as I'm pretty well familiar with this thought behind these theories and their debunking.
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Post by: etiolate on March 11, 2010, 05:03:55 PM
reading some Platonov and the Persepolis Graphic Novel

Platonov is really enjoyable, and he does some things with vagueness that are real "NO!NO!"s but he manages to get away with it. I guess there is something to be said for using non-specifity to create a sort of semi-blindness that reaches towards the life of things rather than the designation of them.

As for Persepolis, I just love Marjane's persona of herself in the story. I loved it in the movie and love it in the comic form. Makes you wish you could go back in time and be her playground boyfriend.
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Post by: muckhole on March 30, 2010, 11:24:37 PM
Started A Brief History of Time. I've also been plugging through those Joe Pitt casebooks Kosma recommended a bit back. Good stuff.
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Post by: Powerslave on March 30, 2010, 11:25:28 PM
what fuckin books lowlz :smug
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Post by: Groogrux on March 31, 2010, 11:16:51 AM
Forcing myself to read Catch-22.  I'm hoping it might get better.  Also dabbling with an old book called Wild at Heart.  Book about being a manly man.
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Post by: muckhole on March 31, 2010, 12:35:49 PM
Joe Pitt  :gun

Which book are you on Muckhole?

Half-Blood of Brooklyn at the moment. They remind me of a darker, grittier Dresden Files. Quick, fun reads.
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Post by: tiesto on March 31, 2010, 12:38:08 PM
girlfriend bought it for me, 1/3 of the way through, pretty good so far:

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Post by: Groogrux on March 31, 2010, 01:10:20 PM
Does anybody remember this one:

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I don't what made me think about it.  But I remember trying to read the book when it first came out back in 2000.  I loved the story, but I couldn't finish it.  This was the only book that I've ever had to stop reading, because it gave me a headache...

Did anyone else have problems with it?  Did anyone finish it?
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Post by: chronovore on March 31, 2010, 01:35:17 PM
I keep meaning to pick it up, since I love the album Poe did which is based on it (or otherwise linked to it), Haunted.
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Post by: Tieno on March 31, 2010, 04:31:53 PM
girlfriend bought it for me, 1/3 of the way through, pretty good so far:

(http://wand3rlust.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/shadow-of-the-wind.jpg)
Only gets better, prose is really good.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on April 01, 2010, 05:04:53 PM
Just took out the The Foundation :rock

I was avoiding the Library for the longest time since I just returned this book I had for 5 months (4 months and 2 weeks overdue). Found out I only owed $3 :lol
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Post by: BlueTsunami on April 06, 2010, 09:59:09 PM
Come on biznitches, post yo' shit. Finished the first part of The Foundation trilogy, a real treat... don't go in expecting lots of action though. Returned that and got this...

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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 07, 2010, 02:34:56 AM
:bow Snow Crash :bow2

Really should re-read this, but I still haven't cracked Anathem.
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Post by: Eric P on April 07, 2010, 11:29:09 AM
i have had anathem sitting on my shelf for a while now but i've just not grabbed it to read it.

i'm currently reading a fantasy novel

i am as shocked as you

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Post by: BlueTsunami on April 07, 2010, 03:48:06 PM
Read the first three Chapters of Snow Crash yesterday and I I'm still fucking amazed at how bad fucking ass Stephenson made delivering Pizza in some future. I love his style of writing too, very casual with witty sarcasm. His grasp on upcoming technology is sick too, I was worried that certain aspects would sound dated (this being published in 92'), it doesn't. Also his vision of a virtual Metaverse makes Playstations Home into some tweeny Toon Town.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
Snow Crash is pretty sweet. It does get a bit silly late in the story, but it's still awesome.

Just finishing up:

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Just starting:

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:bow Mythos :bow2
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Post by: tiesto on April 07, 2010, 11:52:36 PM
Snow Crash was fucking AMAZING... prob. my favorite book ever, even if it ends extremely abruptly.
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Post by: chronovore on April 08, 2010, 12:58:28 AM
Stephenson's Zodiac is also very tight, engrossing. It's not as "cool" as Snow Crash, but if you like crime fiction with a ticking clock running on it, I recommend it highly.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 10, 2010, 09:39:49 PM
Was in the mood for Tom Clancy, but Clancy doesn't seem to write anymore so I settled on this:
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Post by: chronovore on April 12, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
I'll be checking this out as soon as it is available:
http://www.locusmag.com/2010/April1st_AtlasSequel.html
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Doctorow and Stross to Write Authorized Sequel to Atlas Shrugged
by L. Ron Creepweans
— posted @ 4/01/2010 12:01:00 AM PT

Today the estate of Ayn Rand announced that they had authorized science fiction writers Charles Stross and Cory Doctorow to write an official sequel to Rand's bestselling novel Atlas Shrugged.

"Given that the original novel features an amazing new metal alloy, a secret valley protected by force field, and an unlimited new energy source, we felt that a science fiction perspective was key to carrying forward Ayn Rand's ideas," said Rand estate spokesman Perry Leikoff. "And what better science fiction writers to chose than two collaborators who were also past winners of the Prometheus Award given out by the Libertarian Futurist Society?"

Stross, author of the Prometheus Award-winning novel Glasshouse, said that he and Doctorow (author of the Prometheus Award-winning novel Little Brother) were hesitant at first. "But then we realized that both of us shared one important trait with Ayn Rand: all three of us really, really like money. That made it much easier for Cory and I to cash the seven figure check."

The sequel, Atlas Rebound, features the teenage children of the founders of Galt's Gulch rebelling against their elders and traveling out into a world devastated by John Galt's strike, where they develop their own political philosophy with which to rebuild. That philosophy, called Rejectivism, features a centralized bureau to rebuild and control the new economy, socialized medicine, compulsory labor unions, universal mass transportation and a ban on individual automobiles, collectivized farms, a tightly planned industrial economy, extensive art subsidies, subsidized power, government control of the means of production, public housing, universal public education, a ban on personal ownership of gold and silver (as well as all tobacco products), government-issued fiat money, the elimination of all patents and copyrights, and a cradle-to-grave social welfare system.

"Plus strong encryption!" added Doctorow.

After 1,200 pages (80 of which consist of Supreme Leader Karla Galt-Taggart's triumphant address), a new Utopia is born. The final scene of the novel features the grateful citizens of the new world order building a giant statue of Atlas with the globe restored to his shoulders, upon the base of which is chiseled "From Each According to His Ability/To Each According To His Needs."

In other Rand-related news, editor David Hartwell (who lives in nearby Pleasantville) reported a weird humming emanating from the grave Rand shares with her husband Frank O'Conner in Kensico Cemetery in Valhalla, New York. Said Hartwell: "I think she's become a Dean Drive."
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Post by: MrSingh on April 12, 2010, 09:06:06 PM
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 :-\ :'(
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Post by: Bocsius on April 25, 2010, 04:07:19 AM
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Post by: BlueTsunami on April 25, 2010, 04:11:05 AM
I finished Snow Crash a couple of days ago and I'm now on 'Salem's Lot. Man, some of the scenarios with suspension in this book are off the charts good.
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Post by: etiolate on April 25, 2010, 04:18:50 AM
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The short stories is on my Reader, along with a bunch of other public domain downloads that I've been briefly reading.  I started reading James H Schmitz's "The Other Likeness" as well. I consider it part of my personal research writing rather than reading for fun. I don't particularly love the story yet, but since he's known for female characters that worked against common portrayals during the era of hardboiled femme fatals, it is potentially interesting.
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Post by: naff on April 25, 2010, 07:34:18 AM
Reading a book of short stories by Asimov and the Akira manga. The prologue to Asimovs book of short stories is pretty much just him talking about himself and how great he is/was and how everyone thinks he must be so old because he's such a prolific writer as well as seeming very wise, yet he's only in his 20's (early 30's maybe) at the time of writing  :lol
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Post by: ManaByte on April 25, 2010, 08:52:32 AM
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You should read D-Day and Citizen Soldiers with it. Easy Company is mentioned in both and both are even better than BoB but the three kind of form a trilogy.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on April 25, 2010, 10:46:11 AM
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I'm not much of a fantasy reader, but this book is excellent thus far. I am about halfway through
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Post by: Bocsius on April 25, 2010, 03:35:05 PM
You should read D-Day and Citizen Soldiers with it. Easy Company is mentioned in both and both are even better than BoB but the three kind of form a trilogy.

I bought David Webster's Parachute Infantry. I may check out those others.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on April 25, 2010, 10:13:14 PM
I finished Snow Crash a couple of days ago and I'm now on 'Salem's Lot. Man, some of the scenarios with suspension in this book are off the charts good.
Yeah, Salem's Lot holds its own well. I recall reading it and expecting silly old '70s horror writing, and instead being glued to the book.

By coincidence, I'm reading The Long Walk now, which King wrote under his Bachman pseudonym. I'm only a little bit in now, but it would have been pretty great to have the Stand By Me group of young actors play out the Walk story in a "sequel"...

Also just started Abarat on the train in to work today. I like Clive Barker's work in general, and I've always been curious how he adapts to young adult fiction.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on April 27, 2010, 03:45:14 AM
(http://media.us.macmillan.com/jackets/500H/9780312983321.jpg)

Good stuff.  Just good stuff.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on April 27, 2010, 12:26:02 PM
i'm reading the complete short stories of Graham Greene.

They're mostly kind of blah, laying on the page like lifeless fish

they don't pop nor sing like his novels do.  i am highly disappointed.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2010, 01:10:20 PM
I, Claudius

Good stuff.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on May 13, 2010, 01:37:33 AM
Two at one time right now:

(http://catchingsalinger.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/the-catcher-in-the-rye-cover.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41a011pLn3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2010, 02:37:03 AM
(http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/divs/yalsa/booklistsawards/alexawards/2008alex/name-of-the-wind.jpg)

I'm not much of a fantasy reader, but this book is excellent thus far. I am about halfway through

I keep hearing good things about this. Might give it a go soon
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 13, 2010, 07:10:04 AM
I keep hearing good things about this. Might give it a go soon
I am actually finishing it up now. It starts off really slow and doesn't pick up until over halfway through.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on May 13, 2010, 08:16:59 AM
i'm reading The Castle of Otranto by Horace Wapole
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2010, 08:49:31 AM
I keep hearing good things about this. Might give it a go soon
I am actually finishing it up now. It starts off really slow and doesn't pick up until over halfway through.

The sequel STILL isn't out yet so you can take it slow!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 13, 2010, 01:41:41 PM
Had taken out these two from the library...

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2w73hxf.jpg)(http://i43.tinypic.com/jrpa4y.jpg)

Reading Cat's Cradle first (interesting memoir style in regards to the chapter setup, breath of fresh air to me). I really need to get into a Non-Fiction though, I've purely read Fiction for a good while now.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2010, 01:42:55 PM
I keep hearing good things about this. Might give it a go soon
I am actually finishing it up now. It starts off really slow and doesn't pick up until over halfway through.

The sequel STILL isn't out yet so you can take it slow!

I'm used to waiting for fantasy book sequels  :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on May 13, 2010, 04:27:10 PM
I've purely read Fiction for a good while now.

Do people view that as a problem?  :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 13, 2010, 04:30:19 PM
I've purely read Fiction for a good while now.

Do people view that as a problem?  :lol

Some people are definitely of the opinion that purely reading fiction is somehow childish or something. I don't know, I like my fiction :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Rman on May 13, 2010, 04:42:56 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31cIO1J1vzL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on May 14, 2010, 04:50:30 AM
Same themes as before:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object3/1985/89/n27932697595_904.jpg)
finished
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517A5u6PccL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
Enjoyed the non-traditional format. Made me feel like there's space out there for my concepts.

(http://peonymoon.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/the-world-to-come.jpg)
Prose felt plain and young at first. Has had it's moments though. Only a third of the way through.

(http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/c3/c18443.jpg)
Reading this after I finish the rest.

(http://images.indiebound.com/878/921/9781567921878.jpg)
Eh.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VFW8VJ6VL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
and the light reading
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on May 15, 2010, 05:54:00 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Derrida_main.jpg)

it's like david bryne had a pompadour that tried to commit suicide
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on May 15, 2010, 07:19:26 PM
If I was that close to Derrida's brain I'd try to kill myself too.

i do think that deconstructionism is interesting though
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 16, 2010, 07:52:15 AM
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:qbgZcNhBhJLtGM:http://catchingsalinger.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/the-catcher-in-the-rye-cover.jpg)

This book sucks. It really does. :teehee
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on May 24, 2010, 05:07:09 AM
Reading "John Dies at the End" a horror comedy by David Wong. I don't know if the pace is going to kill me or not, but I was hooked from the first page. Apparently a movie is in the works, but much like Douglas Adams' absurd narrative style, it's not something that is likely to translate well to film. Hm, then again, if they go with classic film noir style voiceovers, it might work.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on May 24, 2010, 08:25:36 AM
oh shit

i never sent the copy of that to muckhole

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: muckhole on May 24, 2010, 10:33:10 AM
It's ok man. I just figured you were taking your time making me a homemade audiobook version with your sexy, smooth voice.  :-*

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: FatalT on May 24, 2010, 01:09:33 PM
The True Blood book series. Right now I'm reading the first one, Dead Until Dark. I also downloaded all the audio books of them so I can listen to them too.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 24, 2010, 01:15:10 PM
(http://img.search.com/thumb/0/0e/LanguageTruthAndLogic.jpg/200px-LanguageTruthAndLogic.jpg)
(http://www.iain-banks.net/lib/UseofWeapons.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: muckhole on May 24, 2010, 02:20:41 PM
(http://www.iain-banks.net/lib/UseofWeapons.jpg)

Cool, grabbed it after seeing folks praising it, but haven't started it yet. Going to wait until I get and read the first two, didn't clue in it was book three in the series.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on May 24, 2010, 03:09:22 PM
they're all interdependent.  they only deal in the same universe but it isn't a definitive book 1 is X book 2 is y.  I've skipped around and it's fine.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on May 24, 2010, 04:27:25 PM
Derrida is like the godfather of internet trolling.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2010, 05:41:40 PM
they're all interdependent.  they only deal in the same universe but it isn't a definitive book 1 is X book 2 is y.  I've skipped around and it's fine.

I read Player of Games first, and it was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Culture Novels
Post by: chronovore on May 24, 2010, 07:46:25 PM
Forgot to mention that I finished Stephen King's "The Long Walk" - easily the best thing I've read by him in a long time. Tremendously human story, believable characters, sad. This should definitely be made into a movie, but Hollywood would screw it up so badly. Get some Swede to make it.

they're all interdependent.  they only deal in the same universe but it isn't a definitive book 1 is X book 2 is y.  I've skipped around and it's fine.
Yeah, I've never even heard them referred to numerically, even though they of course came out at different times. Are there really only three Culture novels?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 24, 2010, 07:50:05 PM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:JiCfYgeYVq_pdM:http://pualib.com/images/gods_covers_accurate/Masterclass%2520-%2520Light%2520Her%2520Fire.jpg)

nope. not kidding. If anyone has any other marital self-help books it would be greatly appreciated  :'(
Title: Re: Culture Novels
Post by: Eric P on May 24, 2010, 08:48:19 PM
ver even heard them referred to numerically, even though they of course came out at different times. Are there really only three Culture novels?

no, there are 8 at this time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture#Novels
Title: Re: Culture Novels
Post by: chronovore on May 24, 2010, 10:37:21 PM
ver even heard them referred to numerically, even though they of course came out at different times. Are there really only three Culture novels?

no, there are 8 at this time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture#Novels
Wow, what a trip! I actually started with Look to Windward... And have only read Player of Games. I'm happy that there are so many I've not yet read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 25, 2010, 12:52:21 PM
To be honest, I think many people couldn't tell the difference between a random Culture novel and one of his non-Culture SF novels. They all involve multiple sprawling interstellar and even intergalactic small-case cultures and tech so advanced as to seem magical. And it's all great. Don't get hung up on reading the Culture stuff or worrying about the reading order etc.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 31, 2010, 01:41:55 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DP0PAT19L.jpg)

Tried and failed last summer.  Trying again.

also this image came up when doing a google search
 :nsfw ???
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MeryDdW6rMM/ScVA_kY-Q5I/AAAAAAAAAPc/4KwGEGai1Q8/s1600/Tractatus_1.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on May 31, 2010, 05:57:38 PM
i'm reading The Animal Lover's Book of Beastly Murder, a collection of Patricia Highsmith short stories where animals kill humans
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2010, 08:00:48 PM
My memorial day has been composed of reading this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5140VKP9J5L.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Boogie on May 31, 2010, 08:07:55 PM
Almost done this:

(http://www.find-book.co.uk/large/0713998857.jpg)

Very good history of MI:5, except for the boring-ass chapters on counter-subversion.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2010, 10:05:41 PM
who wins in a fight, CIA or MI5
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 31, 2010, 10:06:49 PM
The authorized answer is MI5
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 31, 2010, 10:06:55 PM
(http://warthroughthegenerations.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/the-amazing-adventures-of-kavalier-and-clay.jpg)

Not far in, but it's really fun.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 31, 2010, 10:46:13 PM
I've been think of getting that. I remember PD raving about a while back.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
It's a good book. It's part superhero book, part travel narrative, part love story, part post-holocaust, part history of comics, part GAY PORN.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Boogie on May 31, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
who wins in a fight, CIA or MI5

CIA.  But if you combine MI5 + SIS, then I vote for the latter combo.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: brawndolicious on June 01, 2010, 09:47:33 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51B8R5z84mL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

I forgot why, but an econ major (I think) recommended this in some thread several months ago and I immediately put it on hold in my school library and forgot about it.  Apparently, a couple days ago, a faculty member finally returned the book after being over-due for several months and I got an email to come and pick it up.

I haven't started it yet but it sounds like it'll be really good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2010, 11:30:26 PM
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000WPM9LG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

On my iPad :smug

Kindle WhisperSync is pretty fucking cool. I'm jumping back and forth between reading it on the iPad and on the iPhone and it keeps me at the right page automatically. :bow2 Also, the instant delivery was nice - otherwise it would have taken a month-plus to get it to Japan from amazon.com. Not to mention the shipping fees. eBooks all the way for me, I think. I bought 6 on the first day I owned the thing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2010, 12:42:33 PM
Wow, you must have meant it when you said your shelfspace was at a premium.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on June 02, 2010, 12:54:29 PM
I've finished these in the last couple of weeks...

(http://blog.inexactitu.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/AZERAD.jpg)

(http://girthbrooks.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/ourband.jpg)

(http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/absurdistan-0309-lg.jpg)

(http://vigorouslylazy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/drop-city_l.jpg)

I'm currently reading these:

(http://www.metalunderground.com/images/covers/Motley_Crue_-_The_Dirt_Confessions_of_the_World%E2%80%99s_Most_Notorious_Rock_Band_cover.jpg)
(I had been looking forward to reading this trashy book for months but after reading "Our Band Could Be Your Life" I'm just not interested in hair metal)

(http://mostlyfiction.com/images/cover_L-O/outofmyskin.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 02, 2010, 01:06:32 PM
(http://sentientonline.net/wp-content/uploads/Darkly-Dreaming-Dexter-by-Jeff-Lindsay.jpg)
but the characters are incredibly one-dimensional.

So the show is pretty faithful.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on June 02, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
Oh and his sister is apparently really hot in the book, but I just think of her ugly ass in the show whenever I read about her.

It's really kinky that Michael C. Hall ended up marrying his sister
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on June 02, 2010, 01:23:30 PM
I think he's an incredible actor! Compare him to Peter Krause, who is Nate Fisher in everything he plays (he was even Nate Fisher in Sports Night)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on June 03, 2010, 05:37:28 PM
(http://www.metalunderground.com/images/covers/Motley_Crue_-_The_Dirt_Confessions_of_the_World%E2%80%99s_Most_Notorious_Rock_Band_cover.jpg)
(I had been looking forward to reading this trashy book for months but after reading "Our Band Could Be Your Life" I'm just not interested in hair metal)

okay, ever since I read about the egg burrito, I can't put this fucking filthy book down
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2010, 09:19:49 PM
Jake Adelstein has been popping up on my Facebook feed recently - we have friends in common. I think all this stuff about living in hiding from the Yakuza has blown over! Looking forward to meeting him at some point.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2010, 09:27:37 PM
This just turned up in the post:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51C7kVfgy3L._SS500_.jpg)

A true story about US soldiers in Vietnam as 'advisors' prior to declaration of war, somewhat fictionalized and illustrated by 83-yr comics legend Joe Kubert. It looks insanely gorgeous. Cross-posting in comics thread.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 03, 2010, 09:30:01 PM
My wife got me Tokyo Vice for Christmas. Great book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2010, 10:56:49 PM
Just got it on Kindle. You fuckers are costing me money!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 03, 2010, 10:58:38 PM
(http://hjaya.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/design_pattern_elements_of_reusable.jpg)

(http://www.garretwilson.com/books/reviews/howtodothingswithwords.jpg)

J. L. Austin :bow2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: muckhole on June 03, 2010, 10:59:42 PM
Just got it on Kindle. You fuckers are costing me money!

 :lol

Just grabbed it for my eReader too. Looks good.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 08, 2010, 09:43:04 PM
Just finished John Dies in the End, a digital edition which may have been scraped when it was available for free on the author's site. I don't know if the print edition is any different, but "Wong" needs an editor. The overall ride is fun, but the first half, up through the end of the Vegas tomfoolery is the best part. After that, it's like he's trying to pull some short stories together into a cohesive narrative. Fortunately, the characters are well-rendered and enjoyable, the humor stays reasonably high, and thanks to the title there is a sense of tension sustained throughout the book, even after the story fails to continue to be scary.

I can't help but think that this would have made a better version of the Supernatural TV series, Bill and Ted Go to Hell, or possibly with minor revisions it could be most of Season 4 of The Mighty Boosh.

Since it has apparently been optioned and will be made into a cheesy movie by the same guy that did Bubba Ho-Tep (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0114536/), I'll just look forward to that. Trimming this bitch down to ninety minutes will take it from the woolly muff of an aging stripper down to the beautiful "Dorito" patch of a San Bernadino pornstar.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2010, 10:38:04 PM
So, I'm midway through 'Tokyo Vice'. I have to say, for a former reporter, this guy can't write for shit. The narrative is compelling enough but the prose is awful. All the dialog suffers from translation from Japanese (perhaps unavoidably) and he doesn't seem to know what a simile is, judging from clunkers like this:

'She could milk a customer like a dairymaid with a fecund cow'

No, milking is not a useful simile for milking

Despite that, I'm still enjoying it, though it probably helps that I'm familiar with most of the news stories already and it's fun seeing the underside of them.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Fresh Prince on June 09, 2010, 12:54:43 AM
(http://www.garretwilson.com/books/reviews/howtodothingswithwords.jpg)

J. L. Austin :bow2
:lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 18, 2010, 12:27:26 PM
O shit, just got to the part explaining the "chairmaker" in Use of Weapons.  Holyshit.  Great book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Barry Egan on June 18, 2010, 12:30:13 PM
(http://www.garretwilson.com/books/reviews/howtodothingswithwords.jpg)

J. L. Austin :bow2

fuck yea!  Seriously love that book so fucking much.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on June 18, 2010, 12:41:52 PM
(http://www.blackbookmag.com/ee/images/uploads2/we-never-learn-cover.jpg)

what i've learned so far: no one likes jack white
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on June 18, 2010, 02:27:26 PM
I liked Drop City myself.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: OptimoPeach on June 23, 2010, 03:11:29 PM
For those of you that have read them: Collapse or Guns, Germs, and Steel? If both, what order? Does it even matter?

 Trying to rekindle my appetite for nonfiction, and The World Is Flat didn't really do the trick
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: OptimoPeach on June 23, 2010, 03:30:00 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: tiesto on June 23, 2010, 11:28:14 PM
For those of you that have read them: Collapse or Guns, Germs, and Steel? If both, what order? Does it even matter?

 Trying to rekindle my appetite for nonfiction, and The World Is Flat didn't really do the trick

Guns, Germs, and Steel first, then Collapse (at least, that's how I read them). Although not as "scientific" as GGS, Collapse isn't nearly as dry. After Collapse, "The World Without Us" is a good followup if you're still in the nonfiction mood, it's a different author but pretty reminiscent of Diamond's style.

I am reading this now:

(http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/woodge/reIC2EhwXKbsKtGWaSqzk32H0NYUa5I6ObJfRhfVHT9ERjGNgcnm5A8CCtcP/PhysicsOfTheImpossible.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2010, 08:50:19 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TNDAHX7GL._SS500_.jpg)

a collection of essays from people like Diderot, Proudhon, Conrad, Goldman and the like.  it's intersting reading
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 11, 2010, 11:18:58 AM
Deadhouse Gates! I picked that up a bit ago, and have been meaning to read it.

In the meantime, I'm reading Abarat: Clive Barker writes young adult fiction for Disney. Just the whole idea seems so absurd that it should be in a dream. But it's decent enough for YA fiction, with the usual Barker silkiness.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2010, 07:50:27 PM
I went to HPB and picked up:

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/0d/5a/bcaec060ada0093fe6101210.L.jpg) (http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2940/t1196.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 11, 2010, 07:52:27 PM
Classy
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 13, 2010, 01:16:09 AM
Lol Ive been halfway through Abarat for like 3 months now :)
Hah! I've been making steady progress through it lately.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 13, 2010, 01:38:21 AM
(http://images.contentreserve.com/ImageType-100/0277-1/%7B54329130-D1B2-4E0F-BB83-0F5C93324C3C%7DImg100.jpg)

Seems a bit slow in comparison to Use of Weapons
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 13, 2010, 07:25:55 AM
yes

but i recently wrapped Consider Phlebas, which i considered to be better than both of those.

i liked the main character who was virulently opposed to The Culture from a philosophical standpoint
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 13, 2010, 11:26:17 AM
I always here that Consider Phlebas is considered to be boring in comparison.  I guess I'll check it out now.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 13, 2010, 11:36:16 AM
i dunno there are several great set pieces and also some philosophical discussions

i consider it a bit subtler than Use of Weapons or Player of Games (esp Player of Games).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on July 21, 2010, 05:13:57 PM
(http://pplibraryreviews.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/ddd.jpg)

Just started reading it last night.  Hooked so far.  I've never watched the show either.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2010, 05:21:18 PM
I finished Player of Games last weekend.  Good stuff.  It definitely picked up once he actually got to the empire. I loved the way he handled describing the games as they were being played. 


currently reading
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZZQ0D4G0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 21, 2010, 05:36:48 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yG2jyZZLL._SS500_.jpg)

the game language is all wrong but it's a great look into how men fuck up the little tests that are relationships

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 05, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
Will buy.

And only 864 pages? Will seem short after Europe: A History and The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (other history books I have to finish/read).
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Post by: CajoleJuice on August 05, 2010, 04:16:03 PM
It's only about 600 when you take out the endnotes and it reads fast. 

Sounds good. Kinda like how Europe: A History is 1392 pages, but more like 1200. But that reads fairly slow, at least for me. It's just sooooo dense. Just names and locations thrown at you in rapid succession in some paragraphs. But after months of not reading it or splitting time with other books, I'm really into it now and will probably finish it up in a couple of weeks.
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Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2010, 04:28:59 PM
i read that book when it first came and found it to be a good cursory overview.  the Barbary pirates stuff was really interesting to me
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 05, 2010, 07:01:50 PM
i read that book when it first came and found it to be a good cursory overview.  the Barbary pirates stuff was really interesting to me

I believe I purchased that book from you a couple of years ago.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on August 05, 2010, 07:10:59 PM
The Barbary War is such a bizarre little chapter in US history. I wonder if there's a definitive book on it.
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Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2010, 07:13:04 PM
i read that book when it first came and found it to be a good cursory overview.  the Barbary pirates stuff was really interesting to me

I believe I purchased that book from you a couple of years ago.

thank you for ensuring i didn't have to eat shoe stew
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2010, 11:09:05 PM
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Post by: chronovore on August 25, 2010, 10:50:35 AM
I finally muddled through Abarat. It was OK, the ending clearly indicating more of the series to come. Clive is better when he's not holding himself back; there were some questionable but luscious turns of phrase in places, where I thought "this is YA fiction? will they get it?" but whatevs. Probably pick up the next one at some point.

I need to get away from YA fiction for a bit. I also finished the first two Percy Jackson books. They're very fast, light reads, and pretty funny. The chapter headings are always a treat. The books are loads better than that crap movie.

So I'm working on Elmore Leonard's Road Dogs now. It's Dutch, so I know what to expect, and I'm already hooked.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 25, 2010, 03:55:28 PM
I just finished Matter, which is without question Iain Banks' best culture book.  wowowowow is all I can say.

ehy Cohen guess what?

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October. GET HYPE. :hyper
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 25, 2010, 03:59:29 PM
It's cool you like Matter so much ... I'd place it in the upper-middle, just after Use of Weapons and Player of Games, but ahead of the rest. I did not like Consider Phlebas much at all so I'm surprised to see it get so much love from you guys. In the end, though, the books are all so good that it's just kind of what themes and characters appeal to you over others.

Have you read Inversions? It's, like, 0.05% Culture by weight but still pretty fucking awesome.

EDIT: Actually, if you liked Matter, you should definitely check it out - it has the same sort of "medieval culture in an SF universe" vibe, though it's like 99 parts medieval to 1 part SF.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 25, 2010, 04:07:45 PM
I am reading Japanese SF in translation from Haikasoru, Viz's new imprint. (The name is Japanese for "High Castle" which is a pretty great meta-joke.)

(http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/I/51baj521mZL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

All You Need is Kill

Like a B+ ... an A premise with an A- first half and B- conclusion. It's Starship Troopers meets Groundhog Day. I don't really need to say anymore. If that sounds like something you'll like, you'll enjoy the book, but you'll probably be disappointed with the conclusion as well. Like most horror novels, this one really falls apart once we move from the "mystery" phase to the "answer" phase.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_B7iWafC3jU0/S-25P2fk5WI/AAAAAAAAA6w/3diR1XfC-F0/s320/ibis_250x396.png)

The Stories of Ibis

This one, on the other hand, is blowing me away. About half done so far. This is Clifford Simak's City with robots instead of dogs. A robot-dominated future where the few remnant humans don't even remember how things ended up the way they are, and a benevolent AI (Ibis, or "AIBISU" in Japanese) who finds one of the remaining humans and tells him a series of chronological short stories that explain how things ended up the way they did. But, like City, it does this not by detailing wars or conflicts, but by highlighting emotional turning points in ordinary people that the reader can use to understand how things continued moving in this direction.

Once I finish Ibis I want to read something big, meaty and European. Debating between 2666 and Shadow of the Wind.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on August 25, 2010, 04:34:28 PM
I'm still reading Europe: A History. I'll definitely be done by next weekend, though!
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Post by: Skidmark on August 26, 2010, 08:23:41 AM
The Beginnings of Western Science: The European Scientific Tradition in Philosophical, Religious, and Institutional Context, 600 B.C. to A.D. 1450
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513NWW3VDVL.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Beginnings-Western-Science-Philosophical-Institutional/dp/0226482316

Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance
(http://a7.vox.com/6a00f48cf01dff0002011017b607cf860e-500pi)
http://www.amazon.com/Hegemony-Survival-Americas-Dominance-American/dp/0805074007

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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2010, 07:09:18 PM
(http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/68420000/68428894.JPG)

I'm about 200/800 into it, book is pretty sweet so far.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on August 27, 2010, 01:40:10 AM
I'm reading that too, Joe. He writes very well and the plot just screams 'MOVIE BLOCKBUSTER' but cliches abound, particularly in the character backgrounds. Must every single character in a horror novel have some horrible dark past?
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Post by: Tieno on August 27, 2010, 02:52:06 AM
Saw the movie a few months ago, loved it. Colleague of mine lent me her copy.
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Post by: Tieno on August 27, 2010, 02:57:28 AM
Kosma, have you seen Long Way Around yet?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 27, 2010, 11:15:43 AM
Just started Flatland.  Looks to be fun.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 27, 2010, 04:19:17 PM
I'm reading that too, Joe. He writes very well and the plot just screams 'MOVIE BLOCKBUSTER' but cliches abound, particularly in the character backgrounds. Must every single character in a horror novel have some horrible dark past?

I guess that's alright though...

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...since everyone dies 1/4th of the way through the book. Now it's getting all Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome with this lone, isolated city built by refugee children and shit.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 27, 2010, 05:16:44 PM
Has anyone here read anything by David Mitchell?

(http://www.stephandtonyinvestigate.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/cloud-atlas.jpg) (http://mookseandgripes.com/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/The-Thousand-Autumns-of-Jac4.jpg)

Cloud Atlas seems pretty interesting to a meta-structure nerd like myself, and The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet ... well, I was into Dejima before it was cool (http://www.flickr.com/photos/38924309@N05/sets/72157622713747128/), man.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 27, 2010, 08:57:08 PM
The Private Life of Chairman Mao

Good read and read it a couple of times already, just about done with it a third time.  Can't really find anything that jumps out at me to buy for books so I'm just re-reading for now.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on August 27, 2010, 09:33:48 PM
I can't get myself to settle down on a book. Maybe it is because I reading as research more than ejnoyment, or maybe because I know I will be reading non-stop within a month.
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Post by: Barry Egan on August 27, 2010, 09:41:57 PM
(http://chawedrosin.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/a-confederacy-of-dunces-by-john-kennedy-toole.jpg?w=243&h=354)(http://reapingprofessionalsuccess.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/TheUpsideOfIrrationality2-197x300.jpg)

I have a sweet spot for good pop psych  :heart
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Post by: Cormacaroni on August 27, 2010, 10:58:54 PM
I have Cloud Atlas on my shelf, but haven't gotten very far into it. From reviews, the structure sounds unique so pretty keen to get stuck in. I never have time to sit down and read (or do anything else) these days.
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Post by: cool breeze on August 27, 2010, 11:00:59 PM
Now that classes are starting up again I need to find some books to be reading.  Will probably go through this thread to find recommendations.
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Post by: tiesto on August 28, 2010, 12:20:50 AM
Bought a few books today:

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(http://www.thecommentary.ca/images/books/Friedman.jpg)

:bow Poland becoming a world power :bow2
(really curious to why Friedman says this... will they start exporting hot girls? :P)

(http://www.stevemotzenbecker.com/client/tedconover/img/routes-of-man.jpg)

Not sure which one to read first, I think I might do "The Next 100 Years", been eying that one for a while.

Treesong - Shadow of the Wind is a pretty enjoyable book, it's my g/f's favorite book of all time.

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I thought it wrapped up a bit -too- neatly at the end and a lot of the exposition is from characters feeding you long blocks of flashback text
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 28, 2010, 02:13:56 AM
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Written in 1907, when a lot of the old west figures were still alive.  Hough rode with Pat Garrett for research.  Early deconstruction of the western outlaw myth.  He's a good writer, reserving most of the flowery language for the introduction.  In that introduction, he pretty much calls the reader a pussy if they've never thought about killing a man :lol

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
I've been debating on whether or not to pick up Kraken. I could go for some weird fiction, but the reviews weren't exactly stellar.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on August 28, 2010, 07:19:55 PM
I finally started Perdido Street Station a few days ago.  I had enough people tell me to read and enough people tell me not to read it that my interest was thoroughly piqued.  So far, so good, except China Mieville sure likes to use big words when completely inappropriate.  A word that means "sleight-of-hand" that is actually longer than sleight-of-hand?  Fuck you!

prestidigitation, by any chance?

hope i spelled that correctly, not often you have a chance to bust that one out. Which is of course why China did it.

I'm way behind on Mieville, like everything else....I have Un Lun Dun in paperback and The City and The City on Kindle to get through before I even think about Kraken.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 28, 2010, 07:28:36 PM
You should try The City & the City. I haven't read beyond the first few chapters yet, but so far it has about 70% less obnoxious prose affectation than the usual Mieville. Still  :heart all his stuff though.

I'm reading (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3370/3210662829_e8296a6a00.jpg)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on August 28, 2010, 07:46:13 PM
that's the one.  I wanted to reach through the page and back in time and punch him in the face as he was writing it.

it's a cool word though! Never use 3 words when 1 will do, basic tenet of good writing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2010, 07:49:58 PM
that's the one.  I wanted to reach through the page and back in time and punch him in the face as he was writing it.

it's a cool word though!

Agreed. I think you're wrong on this one, Cohen.
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Post by: Tauntaun on August 28, 2010, 09:50:16 PM
Listened to the audio book of The Warded Man on the way to Arizona.  Really dug it.  Gotta get the second book and read that.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: rodi on August 30, 2010, 12:44:14 PM
I'm reading The Three Musketeers. So far it's really going against my personal stereotype of boring old literature...Alexandre Dumas really does have a sense of humor sometimes. It's really a riot when I'm reading a line and catching it.  :D
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Post by: chronovore on August 30, 2010, 06:50:16 PM
I'm reading The Three Musketeers. So far it's really going against my personal stereotype of boring old literature...Alexandre Dumas really does have a sense of humor sometimes. It's really a riot when I'm reading a line and catching it.  :D

Are you reading it in something other than your native language? I find when I understand a joke in Japanese that I laugh more unexpectedly than an equivalently funny joke in English. It's like the humor catches me off guard.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 30, 2010, 06:54:29 PM
You should try The City & the City. I haven't read beyond the first few chapters yet, but so far it has about 70% less obnoxious prose affectation than the usual Mieville. Still  :heart all his stuff though.

The City & The City is his best work by a good green country mile.

The City & The City >>> The Scar > Perdido Street >> Iron Council >>>> King Rat
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Post by: Third on September 04, 2010, 10:53:56 AM
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Just ordered it for a fucking €25  :lol
I hope it's any good!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 04, 2010, 10:54:54 AM
I just finished reading it this week. I liked it.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 05, 2010, 09:43:50 PM
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Just ordered it for a fucking €25  :lol
I hope it's any good!

$10 on Kindle!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2010, 10:52:50 PM
About The Passage, I enjoyed it, it was a great ride. But...

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...the ending was kinda shite. I was hoping that (a) we'd find out more about Amy (she was obviously "different" even before the virus) and why the army needed her for the experiment, and (b) that there would some kind of awesome final battle against Babcock. Instead we got (c) a magical negro with a tactical nuke. And then there was yet another "This person is dead...OH WAIT NO THEY'RE NOT!" with Alicia get saved by a negro ex machina. Half of the main characters (apparently) died during an epilogue, but they'll probably turn out to still be alive too.
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Post by: chronovore on September 06, 2010, 08:02:26 AM
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Just ordered it for a fucking €25  :lol
I hope it's any good!

$10 on Kindle!

So... with the kindle, only a total of 149USD!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2010, 10:17:30 PM
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Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2010, 10:27:24 AM
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 11:57:42 AM
You co-sign the series? I keep hearing good things about it, and want to start a short fantasy series before ADWD (lol  :'() comes out
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2010, 01:21:23 PM
halfway through Cloud Atlas OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDD. It is Calvino 2: Hypercalvino

Also I hate Inception even more, now
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2010, 01:36:03 PM
yeah, at this point it's all foreplay, but my God, what foreplay

Exact progress: I am currently

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about to start the sixth and "center" section.
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The author is clearly just showing off in a lot of ways, but he has certainly earned it. But yes, fuck Inception and its shitty nested dream worlds that are made of ASS AND POO.

PSS is pretty good, it does read like "I am 24-years-old and on fire and must put every idea I've ever had in this book." But it's still pretty good. Really looking forward to your thoughts on The City & The City!
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Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2010, 01:52:05 PM
You co-sign the series? I keep hearing good things about it, and want to start a short fantasy series before ADWD (lol  :'() comes out

if you want a good short fantasy series (about 2k total pages) read KJ Parker's Engineer trilogy.

Joe Ambercrombie is good in trope reversal and alteration, but his characters are just characters, bound by conventions of genre. 

KJ Parker's characters seem more like real people.

Ambercrombie is entertaining, but I don't know if I'd be reading this book right now if it hadn't been loaned to me.  If you want to dip your toes into Ambercombie, check out the standalone "Best Served Cold." 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2010, 09:41:48 PM
i am reading Bradley's Noise and it's pretty amazing.

Think The Turner Diaries for anarchist D&D nerds.  If you can parse that sentence, buy and read this book.
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Post by: Mandark on September 09, 2010, 12:39:55 AM
I feel like I ought to accuse you of some roundabout Godwin violation.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 09, 2010, 10:20:21 AM
Noise.  I read this in essentially three sittings, though to get the best effect, I feel that it should have been in one.  At the break of the second sitting, when the book's pull was at its strongest for me I stopped because I was tired and falling asleep.

When I returned to the book this morning, the magic, that pull the book exerted onto me was gone.

Earlier I was describing this book as The Turner Diaries for Anarcho D&D Nerds and that's wrong, though at my place in the novel, it was a fitting description.

Here's the conceit of the novel.

When the switchover to digital TV happens, the FCC decomissioned the old airwaves which were given over to citizen band broadcasting.  Basically turning the air waves into Public Access television.  Those channels were taken up by people who foresee a coming collapse of American society and they are trying to inform as many people of how to survive what's coming, turning society into the prepared, called Salvage, and the unprepared.

Salvage is not an organization but rather a collection of in-the-know groups who will self govern based on The Book, which is a survivor society meme, broadcast and retransmitted and altered; added to and subtracted from by each individual cell and broadcaster to make The Book their own.

Noise is about two young men out of college who are involved with Salvage but only as consumers who are using self-determination to carry out their own interpretation of The Book and get to their Place.

Place is kind of a rough concept, but it's essentially where the individual groups will make their own homes post-Event.

I'm hesitant to say much more because this is such a short book that I don't want to rob the narrative of any of its power, and while by the end of the book I wasn't as high on the concepts and conceits as I was at the beginning, I can't deny that this slim volume isn't powerful.

At least to me.

Included in the book is a seven page author interview which addresses some issues I had with the narrative presented.  The author is aware of many issues with the narrative presented, and as the novel is in first person, there is a very strong desire to paint author voice and character voice as being very similar, but the interview does much to dispel that.

In short; read Darin Bradley's Noise.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 09, 2010, 11:32:37 AM
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2jfbwo2.jpg)

Just ordered it for a fucking €25  :lol
I hope it's any good!

Awesome book, bro.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 09, 2010, 12:24:31 PM
Noise sounds good, I'll check it out.
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Post by: Third on September 14, 2010, 07:32:16 AM
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Just ordered it for a fucking €25  :lol
I hope it's any good!

Awesome book, bro.

The Dutch version has 994 pages. Currently on page 851.
I'll probably finish the book today...

Pretty awesome book so far. It's never really scary though.

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Only the Las Vegas part was a bit tense.
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But I like the characters.

So, this is going to be a trilogy? WTF? Are they going across the border in the next book or what.
This book sometimes remnds me of King's "The Stand".
Del Toro's "The Strain" was scarier imo. But I like The Passage more so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 14, 2010, 09:53:05 AM
I'm about 30 pages into 

(http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n59/n298486.jpg)

having just wrapped

(http://www.shirleyjacksonawards.org/store/images/imago.jpg)
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 14, 2010, 01:10:03 PM
ERIC P BAIT

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyO2k-jApng[/youtube]

Trailer (?!) for Quirk Books' latest crime against honor and humanity

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Star Trek x Zombies = Night of the Living Trekkies
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Post by: Eric P on September 14, 2010, 01:13:22 PM
i have seen the future of horror and it's fucking zombie books. -stephen king

(http://www.tor.com/images/stories/blogs/10_09/1%20woebegotten.jpg)
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Post by: tiesto on September 14, 2010, 01:38:35 PM
Just about done with "The Next 100 Years". It's an OK book but it's very vague and general.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 14, 2010, 04:44:58 PM
ERIC P BAIT

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyO2k-jApng[/youtube]

Trailer (?!) for Quirk Books' latest crime against honor and humanity

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Star Trek x Zombies = Night of the Living Trekkies
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It was kinda funny at first (not really) but now   ::)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 14, 2010, 05:23:57 PM
Finished reading Freedom. The main theme seems to be that human beings are generally a shitty race of people, and that even normal, seemingly well-adjusted people can still at times do and say shitty things to people they love and care about, and these people in turn behave shittily towards other people, until there's a giant snowball of shit rolling around and causing a huge shitstorm that shits all over the place until everything is all shitted up beyond all recognition. But then maybe, just maybe, at the very end there's a tiny chance for a small piece of redemption. If the planet itself hasn't been completely shat on by then, and we're all dead.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on September 14, 2010, 05:47:13 PM
Finished reading Freedom. The main theme seems to be that human beings are generally a shitty race of people, and that even normal, seemingly well-adjusted people can still at times do and say shitty things to people they love and care about, and these people in turn behave shittily towards other people, until there's a giant snowball of shit rolling around and causing a huge shitstorm that shits all over the place until everything is all shitted up beyond all recognition. But then maybe, just maybe, at the very end there's a tiny chance for a small piece of redemption. If the planet itself hasn't been completely shat on by then, and we're all dead.
sounds like my type of book
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 14, 2010, 09:57:45 PM
Everything Matters! is depressing as all hell.

Everyone in the book is damaged either internally or externally

it's like listening to every Smiths song ever written sung by Ian Curtis backed by Depeche Mode being remixed by The Cure
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Post by: Eric P on September 15, 2010, 07:18:57 AM
you're right i probably could
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 16, 2010, 05:11:14 PM
Finished Cloud Atlas!

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2010, 07:35:05 PM
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Quote
To five-year-old Jack, Room is the entire world. It is where he was born and grew up; it's where he lives with his Ma as they learn and read and eat and sleep and play. At night, his Ma shuts him safely in the wardrobe, where he is meant to be asleep when Old Nick visits.

Room is home to Jack, but to Ma, it is the prison where Old Nick has held her captive for seven years. Through determination, ingenuity, and fierce motherly love, Ma has created a life for Jack. But she knows it's not enough...not for her or for him. She devises a bold escape plan, one that relies on her young son's bravery and a lot of luck. What she does not realize is just how unprepared she is for the plan to actually work.

Told entirely in the language of the energetic, pragmatic five-year-old Jack, ROOM is a celebration of resilience and the limitless bond between parent and child, a brilliantly executed novel about what it means to journey from one world to another.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 16, 2010, 08:37:59 PM
i requested that through my library.  looking forward to it.

I'm currently reading The Windup Girl
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2010, 09:15:58 PM
Can't wait for the Ron Howard adaption of that book
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2010, 12:12:05 AM
Can't wait for the Ron Howard adaption of that book

:fbm
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 17, 2010, 12:26:48 PM
ERIC P BAIT

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyO2k-jApng[/youtube]

Trailer (?!) for Quirk Books' latest crime against honor and humanity

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Star Trek x Zombies = Night of the Living Trekkies
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Call me an idiot, but I like the idea of movie trailers for books. Well, some books. Like this.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2010, 01:25:14 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Tonoharu-Part-One-Lars-Martinson/dp/0980102324/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1284743916&sr=8-1

Tonoharu: Part One

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Comic about a junior high school Assistant English Teacher on the JET program, and the only foreigner in his town in rural Japan. As someone who was one of five foreigners in his rural town in Japan (and hated the other four), it was dangerously easy to relate. Very good, but not much happens in this first volume. Unless (like me) you have a strong connection to the material, I would wait for Parts Two and Three to come out (December 2010 and Summer 2011) before checking it out.

A Drunken Dream and other stories

(http://mangacritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/drunken-dream1.jpg)

Moto Hagio basically invented SF Shojo manga in the 1970s - she's writes and draws like a gauzy Ursula K. LeGuin. This collection more-or-less doubles the amount of her work available in English. Also, it's Fantagraphics debut title for their manga imprint, and the presentation is AMAZING. 60% bigger than most manga collections, hardcover, gold foil highlights, super high-quality paper, and a 20-page interview with the author (reprinted from a previous Comics Journal). Definitely a must-buy if it sounds like your sort of thing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 17, 2010, 01:28:51 PM
The man in the high castle.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2010, 01:45:10 PM
The man in the high castle.

Awesome book.  :heartbeat
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2010, 08:53:54 PM
(http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/64240000/64246609.JPG)

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Why does Skippy, a fourteen-year-old boy at Dublin’s venerable Seabrook College, end up dead on the floor of the local doughnut shop?

Could it have something to do with his friend Ruprecht Van Doren, an overweight genius who is determined to open a portal into a parallel universe using ten-dimensional string theory?

Could it involve Carl, the teenage drug dealer and borderline psychotic who is Skippy’s rival in love?

Or could “the Automator”—the ruthless, smooth-talking headmaster intent on modernizing the school—have something to hide?

Why Skippy dies and what happens next is the subject of this dazzling and uproarious novel, unraveling a mystery that links the boys of Seabrook College to their parents and teachers in ways nobody could have imagined. With a cast of characters that ranges from hip-hop-loving fourteen-year-old Eoin “MC Sexecutioner” Flynn to basketball playing midget Philip Kilfether, packed with questions and answers on everything from Ritalin, to M-theory, to bungee jumping, to the hidden meaning of the poetry of Robert Frost, Skippy Dies is a heartfelt, hilarious portrait of the pain, joy, and occasional beauty of adolescence, and a tragic depiction of a world always happy to sacrifice its weakest members.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 21, 2010, 09:54:27 AM
finished The Windup Girl and didn't really like the end.

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oh shit, i'm writing a science fiction novel.  time for battles! "pew pew.  viva la impromptu revolution." needed about 50 pages to flesh out the tensions so that when everything erupts it doesn't seemingly come from nowhere.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2010, 11:27:26 PM
"Skippy Dies" is and awesome book. At one point during a school sock hop, someone spikes the punch with rohypnol, and while the chaperones step out for a bit of the ol' in-and-out themselves, the dance hall descends into a roman orgy. Then later they create a black hole. Not during the orgy, though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2010, 10:37:57 PM
A Game of Thrones

I've been putting it off for a long time, but with the series coming soon I decided that I really need to get around to reading it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2010, 10:46:43 PM
my nikka :rock
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 24, 2010, 08:31:14 AM
I sport several simultaneous boners for Vernor Vinge. DEEPNESS is an excellent work, though I read A Fire Upon the Deep prior to it so may enjoy the main character a little more. Deepness is one of the most subversive treatises on middle management I've ever read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2010, 12:33:52 AM
(http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/66480000/66487689.JPG)

I loved the first book, I hope this one is as good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on September 26, 2010, 12:46:23 AM
alrighty, recently picked up books

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Skidmark on September 26, 2010, 06:31:34 PM
Just ordered this:
http://www.fastcodesign.com/1662344/first-look-jon-stewarts-long-awaited-earth-book
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 30, 2010, 10:17:05 PM
(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51k2AtRmM7L._SS500_.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51tsD3bJLCL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

The Japanese covers for Steven Erikson's Gardens of the Moon, lololol. Tempted to buy this for the sheer wtf of it all.

compare with the UK versions -
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/416kmF08EtL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ETNPC327L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Still probably better than the unspeakably awful US one:
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2010, 11:39:11 PM
No lie, the main reason I haven't bought GoTM is because of the medivel romance cover  :-\

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aaand i heard it's a jumbled cast of super heroes killing tons of enemies and lots of random shit thrown everywhere
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2010, 12:22:14 AM
Reading some more A Game of Thrones. I'm now at the part where

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Eddard is forced to kill Lady [Sansa's direwolf] and that part really made me mad. It also pretty much solidified the fact that Tyrion is the only Lannister worth spitting on.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 01, 2010, 08:07:44 AM
No lie, the main reason I haven't bought GoTM is because of the medivel romance cover  :-\

spoiler (click to show/hide)
aaand i heard it's a jumbled cast of super heroes killing tons of enemies and lots of random shit thrown everywhere
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It's pretty much a reasonable human drama, with a couple high-powered battles thrown in for OH SHIT value, where they succeed in delivering OH SHIT moments. There is, IIRC, not a lick of super-heroism or romance in the entire thing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 01, 2010, 08:38:44 AM
Plenty of romance crops up later but I can see the superhero thing. More like super high level D'n'D characters really, since that was the genesis of the whole mess. Erikson and Esselmont played a campaign for years and years until they had developed so much backstory they just decided to try turning it into novels. Once you realize that, it becomes a lot more meta-fictionally interesting.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2010, 05:07:05 PM
Just about to start on:

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 01, 2010, 08:43:29 PM
Plenty of romance crops up later but I can see the superhero thing. More like super high level D'n'D characters really, since that was the genesis of the whole mess. Erikson and Esselmont played a campaign for years and years until they had developed so much backstory they just decided to try turning it into novels. Once you realize that, it becomes a lot more meta-fictionally interesting.

Hm, OK. But we were just talking about GotM, which is the only thing I've read by him so far. Which is about to change, since I've got one more fat book by him now.

Thanks for the info on the DnD campaign. Oddly, things make more sense now.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: muckhole on October 02, 2010, 10:29:50 AM
Despite a backlog of decent looking books to read, I've found myself reading the horrible Wildcard series after they were given to me. I'd never even heard of them before, but Eel had been tearing them up on an old Borecast, and curiousity got the better of me.

They really are terrible and often plodding reads, but each time I finish one (I think I'm on the fifth now!) and promise myself I'm done with them, I find myself cracking the next one open to see where the stupidity leads, like a bad movie that you just can't turn off.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2010, 11:47:11 AM
those books Martin keeps bumping out instead of ADWD?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: muckhole on October 02, 2010, 12:05:55 PM
Yeah, I believe so. I'm not sure how much of the writing he's actually responsible for, but he's at least the editor for the first batch that I've read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2010, 09:48:56 PM
Picked up a few books for some light reading over the next couple of months:

The Land Leviathan by Michael Moorcock
Elantris by Brandon Sanderson
Gardens of the Moon by Steven Erikson
The Farseekers by Isabelle Carmody [second book in a series, I'm almost finished with the first]
Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams
Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ManaByte on October 30, 2010, 09:58:53 PM
Finished Salavtore's newest Drizzt and decided to read the whole series again before the next one comes out.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2010, 10:03:55 PM
GR can't wait for your thoughts on Gardens of the Moon. I might buy it soon. Or Wheels of Time :smug
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2010, 10:33:37 PM
GR can't wait for your thoughts on Gardens of the Moon. I might buy it soon. Or Wheels of Time :smug

Might be a bit before I get around to it, but I'll post here when I do.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Nintendosbooger on October 30, 2010, 10:41:53 PM
Finished Salavtore's newest Drizzt and decided to read the whole series again before the next one comes out.

Stop at Servant of the Shard, and never look back (or forward, for that matter).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Nintendosbooger on October 30, 2010, 10:45:29 PM
GR can't wait for your thoughts on Gardens of the Moon. I might buy it soon. Or Wheels of Time :smug

Might be a bit before I get around to it, but I'll post here when I do.

Don't rush. GotM is the most jumbled up piece of celebrated fantasy junk ever. I've struggled with the first book and made an honest attempt to get through the second before surrendering.

I'm baffled at how anyone could even draw a comparison between the two series (A Song of Ice and Fire). Martin's books are polished and structured, with accountable character development.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2010, 10:49:48 PM
Keep hearing that about them. I love SoIaF btw

I've heard good things about Acacia
http://www.amazon.com/Acacia-War-Mein-Book/dp/0385722524/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288493375&sr=1-1

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2010, 10:56:15 PM
Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke

Do you like Jane Austen?  If you do, you'll love this book.

If you don't, then fuck you, man.  Fuck you.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ManaByte on October 30, 2010, 11:00:00 PM
Finished Salavtore's newest Drizzt and decided to read the whole series again before the next one comes out.

Stop at Servant of the Shard, and never look back (or forward, for that matter).

Gauntlgrym was pretty good because due to WOTC's changes to the FR timeline (they advanced it something like 100 years), he was forced to kill off everyone but Drizzt and Jarlaxle.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Nintendosbooger on October 30, 2010, 11:04:57 PM
Finished Salavtore's newest Drizzt and decided to read the whole series again before the next one comes out.

Stop at Servant of the Shard, and never look back (or forward, for that matter).

Gauntlgrym was pretty good because due to WOTC's changes to the FR timeline (they advanced it something like 100 years), he was forced to kill off everyone but Drizzt and Jarlaxle.

They didn't die. They're stuck in some limbo. Trust me, they'll be back at some point. Entreri, I believe, should also be alive, since his new "shade" ability is said to slow down his aging considerably.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Nintendosbooger on October 30, 2010, 11:12:34 PM
Keep hearing that about them. I love SoIaF btw

I've heard good things about Acacia
http://www.amazon.com/Acacia-War-Mein-Book/dp/0385722524/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288493375&sr=1-1



Honestly, look into David Gemmell. His writes stand-alone heroic fantasy, so no long-winded series of books. R.A. Salvatore had recommended him to me at a book signing in Virginia years ago, and, aside from George Martin, I've never experienced a better fantasy page-turner.

Start with LEGEND.

(http://images.booksamillion.com/covers/bam/0/34/537/906/0345379063.jpg)


Then work your way to this guy:

(http://www.elbakin.net/fantasy/modules/public/images/livres/livres-waylander-525-1.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 30, 2010, 11:27:05 PM
Surface Detail is really cool so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2010, 11:38:47 PM
Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke

Do you like Jane Austen?  If you do, you'll love this book.

If you don't, then fuck you, man.  Fuck you.

Never read any Jane Austen, sorry.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 30, 2010, 11:50:37 PM
Surface Detail is really cool so far.
It keeps popping up in my Amazon recommendations, and I keep looking at my overflowing bookcase wistfully.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 30, 2010, 11:51:29 PM
Despite a backlog of decent looking books to read, I've found myself reading the horrible Wildcard series after they were given to me. I'd never even heard of them before, but Eel had been tearing them up on an old Borecast, and curiousity got the better of me.

They really are terrible and often plodding reads, buteach time I finish one (I think I'm on the fifth now!) and promise myself I'm done with them,I find myself cracking the next one open to see where the stupidity leads, like a bad movie that you just can't turn off.

I've had bad relationships with girlfriends that could be similarly described.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2010, 09:30:30 PM
Blew through the first two books of the Obernetwyn series, I might be able to start Gardens of the Moon by the end of the week.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on November 10, 2010, 08:55:38 AM
(http://imgur.com/KuAuO.jpg)

The man is lucky to still be alive. Hard to believe the stuff with Hillel and Frusciante didn't scare him into a moment of clarity, but I guess that's why non-addicts will never understand what the addicts are going through. I loved reading about the Peppers from his perspective, but some of his decisions and lack of self awareness and junkie logic would have made me throw the book at a wall if it wasn't on an electronic reader.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 10, 2010, 09:03:48 AM
reading The Light at the End.  Film nerds and D&D Nerds team up to take down a Lower East Side junkie artist vampire in 1985 New York which means that it's basically the best book ever written.

you can get it for $3 in eReader formats

http://store.crossroadpress.com/product_info.php?products_id=151
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on November 10, 2010, 08:43:04 PM
Blew through the first two books of the Obernetwyn series, I might be able to start Gardens of the Moon by the end of the week.

Just started the first book, thanks.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on November 10, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41nNXo1vwvL.jpg)

:rock :rock
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2010, 10:38:41 PM
Blew through the first two books of the Obernetwyn series, I might be able to start Gardens of the Moon by the end of the week.

Just started the first book, thanks.

First two books are pretty good, third book kind of drags a bit. The main character, and narrator, is kind of frustrating in the third book. She's hypocritical, wishy-washy, self-conscious, and just overall doesn't feel like the same character that appeared in the first two books. The end gives me hope that this isn't going to be an issue in the fourth book, but I don't have it right now so it'll be a while before I start it. I'm definitely committed to reading more though.

Right now I'm finished up Neuromancer, I've had it sitting around half-read for a long time.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 10, 2010, 10:43:19 PM
Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke

Do you like Jane Austen?  If you do, you'll love this book.

If you don't, then fuck you, man.  Fuck you.

ever read any Jane Austen, sorry.

+1 for this - it really captures a certain 18/19th century fantastical tone that now might seem boring to some as little was spent talking about how wicked awesome something's powers were, instead keeping alot of things at a distance. It doesn't always make for a page turner, but it's pretty wonderful if you find it's your thing
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 10, 2010, 10:47:22 PM
(http://www.harpercollins.com/harperimages/isbn/large/0/9780060733490.jpg)

re-reading this. I've loved his books but never quite got into this one. Giving it a re-read after a stay in hospital and am liking it much much more. (I lightly browsed his website a few times looking for updates on his next book and on the forums this seemed to be in the running for their favorite, which always puzzled me)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2010, 10:54:40 PM
Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke

Do you like Jane Austen?  If you do, you'll love this book.

If you don't, then fuck you, man.  Fuck you.

ever read any Jane Austen, sorry.

+1 for this - it really captures a certain 18/19th century fantastical tone that now might seem boring to some as little was spent talking about how wicked awesome something's powers were, instead keeping alot of things at a distance. It doesn't always make for a page turner, but it's pretty wonderful if you find it's your thing

It sounds really interesting, but I've got several other books lined up first. Might be able to get around to starting sometime next year.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2010, 12:55:36 AM
(http://www.harpercollins.com/harperimages/isbn/large/0/9780060733490.jpg)

re-reading this. I've loved his books but never quite got into this one. Giving it a re-read after a stay in hospital and am liking it much much more. (I lightly browsed his website a few times looking for updates on his next book and on the forums this seemed to be in the running for their favorite, which always puzzled me)

Did you read Under Heaven, by any chance? I bought it a while back but haven't started it yet. I like him generally, as long as he stays out of Mills & Boon territory.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 11, 2010, 01:54:19 AM
Yeah, saying someone is one of the "best prose writers in the biz" sounds great until you see some of the roads it takes him down. In some stories it works though.

I have not read Under Heaven - I actually didn't know it had come out, thank you for the heads up. It's definitely going to the top of my library queue if I can't wait for the paperback. From the description I wonder if he's going back to his pseudo-earth, those books were always my favorite. (Everyone seems to love the Fionavar Tapestry, which I read first and apparently liked enough to check out his other books, but in retrospect  :yuck)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2010, 01:55:51 AM
Fionavar Tapestry is horrible Tolkien/Donaldson fan-fic. He clearly had his training wheels on. He's a LOT better than those books.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on November 12, 2010, 08:45:45 AM
I'm on the fourth book in the Dexter series.  I'm going to have to make due with it until the end of the year.  Wife and I are getting Nook's for each other!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2010, 10:33:27 AM
I'm going to Half Price Books tomorrow and need a few recommendations. Here's what I'm looking for:

-Cyberpunk [Something other than Neuromancer, Snow Crash, and Software since I've got those already]
-Steampunk [There doesn't really seem to be all that much out there, unfortunately. I'd prefer a Victorian setting [like Steamboy] if such a book exists]
-Stand-alone fantasy [Basically, a self-contained fantasy story, but not something that's basically a companion story to a series of books. I want something like the Redemption of Althalus by David Eddings]
-Desert fiction [Kind of a specific request here, but I really like using a desert setting for stories, like Dune or Hammerfall]
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 12, 2010, 10:55:46 AM
I'm going to Half Price Books tomorrow and need a few recommendations. Here's what I'm looking for:


-Stand-alone fantasy [Basically, a self-contained fantasy story, but not something that's basically a companion story to a series of books. I want something like the Redemption of Althalus by David Eddings]
-Desert fiction [Kind of a specific request here, but I really like using a desert setting for stories, like Dune or Hammerfall]


Stand Alone Fantasy - KJ Parker, The Company or The Folding Knife.  Lowest of low fantasy.  No elves, no gods, no magic.  Absolutely awesome books though.

Desert Fiction.  You want adventure or survival stuff?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 12, 2010, 12:12:42 PM
I'm going to Half Price Books tomorrow and need a few recommendations. Here's what I'm looking for:

-Cyberpunk [Something other than Neuromancer, Snow Crash, and Software since I've got those already]
-Steampunk [There doesn't really seem to be all that much out there, unfortunately. I'd prefer a Victorian setting [like Steamboy] if such a book exists]

For Cyberpunk, look for Dr. Adder by KW Jeter. You probably won't find it, but it's the first-and-best book in the genre. (Predates Neuromancer by 12 years!)

For Steampunk I would really recommend The Etched City by KJ Bishop and Virconium by M. John Harrison. Like Perdido Street Station, these books are a bit more "low-technology urban fantasy" than "copper aetherite tubing" but that stuff's for posers anyway. Read the real shit.

The Difference Engine by Gibson/Sterling pretty much invented Steampunk, if you want something "pure."

I've heard decent things about the Parasol Protectorate trilogy (Soulless/Blameless/Changeless) though I have not read them myself. They seem a bit more slight but fun, if you just want paranormal beasties in a steampunk London.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Raban on November 12, 2010, 12:30:06 PM
Rereading The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy and it's sequels and then I think I'm finally gonna read the Harry Potter books.

Douglas Adams was one funny motherfucker.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2010, 02:37:16 PM
GR if you want steampunk if you don't read Perdido Street Station I'm coming to your house and breaking your moe doll collection.

That sounds pretty much what I'm looking for. I'll add it to my list.

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Desert Fiction. You want adventure or survival stuff?

Definitely something scifi or fantasy, not really that interested in real world stories overly. Survival can be a part of the book, but I want it set in some world that's not quite like ours, if you understand what I'm saying.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 12, 2010, 04:19:38 PM
Gotcha.  Can't help you out there unfortunately.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2010, 04:37:24 PM
Have you got the Difference Engine by Gibson and Sterling? None more steampunk.

nm, didn't see the last page of responses

Anyway, don't read books because you like the setting. That road leads to DragonLance and Star Wars novelizations.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2010, 04:40:15 PM
Still, desert fiction...survival...world not quite like our own...it's all screaming 'DUNE' at me
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2010, 04:42:47 PM
The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers and The Prestige by Christopher Priest are fairly steam-punk as well. Not that I toss good books aside on the grounds that the setting pre-dates Victoria's reign by 4 years and so it's not real steampunk etc..
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2010, 04:46:38 PM
cohen is there anything you haven't read? outside of the bible

jeez
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2010, 05:21:46 PM
Anyway, don't read books because you like the setting. That road leads to DragonLance and Star Wars novelizations.

I usually don't, but deserts...man, gotta have 'em.

Still, desert fiction...survival...world not quite like our own...it's all screaming 'DUNE' at me

Or Hammerfall by C. J. Cherryh. But I've already read both of those.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 12, 2010, 06:21:20 PM
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Desert Fiction. You want adventure or survival stuff?

Definitely something scifi or fantasy, not really that interested in real world stories overly. Survival can be a part of the book, but I want it set in some world that's not quite like ours, if you understand what I'm saying.

If "Mars" counts as "desert," then I would really recommend Leigh Brackett's Martian short stories. Sort of a dusty and dirtier version of Barsoom, more fantasy than science fiction.

:bow Eric Stark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_John_Stark) :bow2
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2010, 08:13:17 PM
Has anyone read The Affinity Bridge by George Mann? It sounds like exactly the kind of steampunk that I'm looking for, but I'm not familiar with the book or the author.

The book came out last year, by the way.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 13, 2010, 02:25:36 AM
it sounds pretty dire based on research

most steampunk, cyberpunk, or anything written for genre first and narrative second is
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 13, 2010, 04:21:32 AM
Anyway, don't read books because you like the setting. That road leads to DragonLance and Star Wars novelizations.

I usually don't, but deserts...man, gotta have 'em.

Still, desert fiction...survival...world not quite like our own...it's all screaming 'DUNE' at me

Or Hammerfall by C. J. Cherryh. But I've already read both of those.

If you're THAT into deserts, I suppose this would be your wet dream:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Pillars_of_Wisdom
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2010, 09:41:41 AM
it sounds pretty dire based on research

most steampunk, cyberpunk, or anything written for genre first and narrative second is

Bland characters and too many cliched plot points crammed into a short book. Meeeeeh. I might still get it if I can find it somewhere really cheap.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2010, 04:07:25 PM
Not quite the haul I was hoping for, but I think I did okay:

Count Zero by William Gibson
Burning Chrome by William Gibson
Sea-kings of Mars by Leigh Brackett
Perdido Street Station by China Mieville
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Post by: Eric P on November 13, 2010, 05:12:47 PM
How about the Barsoom books by Edgar Rice Burroughs?

Science Fantasy on Mars
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2010, 05:23:01 PM
Info on Mieville's next book
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    "Embassytown: a city of contradictions on the outskirts of the universe.

    Avice is an immerser, a traveller on the immer, the sea of space and time below the everyday, now returned to her birth planet. Here on Arieka, humans are not the only intelligent life, and Avice has a rare bond with the natives, the enigmatic Hosts - who cannot lie.

    Only a tiny cadre of unique human Ambassadors can speak Language, and connect the two communities. But an unimaginable new arrival has come to Embassytown. And when this Ambassador speaks, everything changes.

    Catastrophe looms. Avice knows the only hope is for her to speak directly to the alien Hosts."
http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2010/11/more-about-china-mievilles-embassytown.html

really like his blog.
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Post by: chronovore on November 13, 2010, 09:00:37 PM
I've read the Burning Chrome collection more times than any other book, I think. Looooove it.

I stepped away from the postapocalyptic fantasy briefly to try Metrophage. If you're liking cyberpunk/noir, I think it's off to a strong start.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 13, 2010, 10:34:35 PM
How about the Barsoom books by Edgar Rice Burroughs?

Science Fantasy on Mars

I honestly prefer Brackett's Mars to Barsoom, though they are quite comparable.

Rumbler, you got four great books, look forward to them!
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Post by: chronovore on November 20, 2010, 10:55:18 AM
Cormacaroni gifted me with two huge boxes of books from his man-cave in Tokyo. Massively weighted and intimidating, I've started with Altered Carbon and am digging it immensely so far.

It is a little funny though that I've gone from Anthony Kiedis' Scar Tissue to this, so I'm reading Altered Carbon right on the heels of an altered cabrón.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 20, 2010, 11:12:48 AM
Decided to read something a little off-beat and started Philip K. Dick's Galactic Pot-Healer. It's...interesting. The first few chapters feel a lot like 1984, but more...satirical, I suppose.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2010, 01:52:02 PM
Finally got around to Use of Weapons; I had started it awhile ago but got pretty busy, so now I started it from the beginning again. Pretty awesome

i want to have an orgy with Sma  :zelda
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Post by: lordmaji on November 22, 2010, 10:24:05 AM
I need some good book recommendations. I've been having a hard time getting into books lately... I need a book that'll suck me in quickly and keep me going.

Any suggestions?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 22, 2010, 11:27:20 AM
I wish I had a book that would suck me too.


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paper cuts ouch
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Post by: Himu on November 22, 2010, 11:34:35 PM
Does one have to read the Kenzie/Gennaro series in order?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2010, 12:22:07 AM
I need some good book recommendations. I've been having a hard time getting into books lately... I need a book that'll suck me in quickly and keep me going.

Any suggestions?

what type of books are you into bro
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 23, 2010, 12:54:27 AM
Just finished Surface Detail.

It wasn't nearly as good as player of games or use of weapons but it had some really niffty scifi concepts in it.  There were a lot of characters and a lot of subplots that really didn't go anywhere.

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Loved the suprise twist with Zalalwe reappearing for the last five pages.
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Post by: Barry Egan on November 23, 2010, 01:18:10 AM
Reading cloud atlus.  The short stories are good in themselves but the meta narrative adds another layer of intrigue.  Also this guy read his nietzche carefully. 
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2010, 01:21:30 AM
FM after I finish Use of Weapons, which one should I go for next? Player of Games? The description on amazon sounds cool
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 23, 2010, 01:28:33 AM
FM after I finish Use of Weapons, which one should I go for next? Player of Games? The description on amazon sounds cool

That's what I did.  Don't think it really matters though.

Matter will be my next one (as I can't seem to buy the others from amazon.ca :( )
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Post by: lordmaji on November 23, 2010, 10:14:09 AM
I need some good book recommendations. I've been having a hard time getting into books lately... I need a book that'll suck me in quickly and keep me going.

Any suggestions?

what type of books are you into bro

I'll read almost anything as long as it's good & interesting. Nothing dull or bland. Something with a fast pace and gives ya something to think about.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 24, 2010, 12:13:00 PM
Finished Galactic Pot-Healer today, the next book I start will probably be Dan Simmons' Hyperion.
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Post by: Raban on November 24, 2010, 01:09:21 PM
Finished the Guide. Gonna start Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, then The Sirens of Titan.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 24, 2010, 01:11:45 PM
Surface detail had a lot about how the Culture fits in with other galactic civilizations and expanded the different government agencies within the Culture.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2010, 03:57:10 PM
FM after I finish Use of Weapons, which one should I go for next? Player of Games? The description on amazon sounds cool
Yes.  Player of Games is the closest to explaining what the Culture actually is, and it's probably his most complete novel.  Matter is really cool for the Big Science stuff, and Excession explains the minds the best.

Awesome. While I like how the world building is done slowly, at times I want a bigger reveal of what the Culture is, how it's run etc.

One thing I'm slightly confused about: Sma is humanoid and not the race of the Culture right? In the description of her childhood I thought it mentioned she was some type of human messiah. She's apparently taller than the average human correct?
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Post by: BlueTsunami on November 24, 2010, 05:26:22 PM
Been reading "The Name of the Wind". Pretty good so far considering its a book long origins to the main character.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 24, 2010, 06:00:56 PM
I'd like to read The Man in the High Castle one of these days, but I've got a pretty big book backlog and I'm not ready to read another Philip K. Dick book anytime soon.
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Post by: chronovore on November 24, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
Nice collection, Kosma!

I'm reading Deadhouse Gates (stalled), and Altered Carbon (definitely not stalled, it is great!), I've got Already Dead (Charllie Huston's first book in that series) on my shelf waiting for me, and Man in the High Castle is one of my favorite PKD books. That's a really arresting cover on that edition.

Admit it, though! You picked up Architecture of Happiness because you thought the author was "Alain de Bottom!"
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Post by: Bocsius on December 06, 2010, 08:14:14 PM
Went and bought The Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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Post by: Cormacaroni on December 06, 2010, 10:52:02 PM
(http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/lint.jpg)

Acme Novelty #20, by Chris Ware (aka 'Lint').

This is just phenomenal, book of the year. Dazzling technical pyrotechnical cartooning on par with anything in Asterios Polyp. I found it quite harrowing.

One of my favorite pages, of young Lint's first memories:

(http://i51.tinypic.com/skvs6x.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2010, 11:27:24 PM
Went and bought The Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Best books ever. (At least the first three.)
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Post by: Raban on December 07, 2010, 12:09:12 AM
Went and bought The Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

:bow
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Post by: Bocsius on December 08, 2010, 06:53:23 PM
And we're starting The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
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Post by: CajoleJuice on December 10, 2010, 12:05:16 PM
Went and bought The Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Best books ever. (At least the first three.)

Yeah, I stopped somewhere in the fourth.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2010, 05:35:07 PM
Read the first three books, then listen to all five radio show series.
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Post by: Eric P on December 10, 2010, 08:58:00 PM
if you can find the books on tape read by douglas adams, those are absolutely amazing
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Post by: Darunia on December 13, 2010, 07:48:42 AM
I'm reading Pat Rothfuss' The Name of the Wind as well. I'm about halfway and I love Rothfuss' writing. When Kvothe enters the university it's one great chapter after another. Just had this bit where
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Elodin told him to jump off a roof and after which he was rejected for being a reckless fool  :lol
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His clashes with the masters are gold.

I also appreciate the intermissions. Rothfuss seems to be in love with the start/continuation of telling a story and he recreates that tension again and again. Awesome book.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2010, 09:25:18 PM
yeah, it's great. it's almost time for me to re-read, with the sequel out in 2-3 months (I think it's next March, but it has been pushed back many times).
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Post by: Mupepe on December 28, 2010, 01:23:15 PM
so i know this thread hasn't been active in a bit, but can anyone recommend a book to buy a 24 yr old female?  she likes most contemporary things but i do know she didn't care for the girl with the dragon tattoo.  she thought twilight was terrible and she liked the harry potter books.

Edit: she's pretty open minded and likes sci fi/fantasy and some romantic things.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2010, 01:27:18 PM
game of thrones. I've suggested it to two women already, and they both liked it
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Post by: Mupepe on December 28, 2010, 01:32:30 PM
thanks, buddy. 

for reference on her fb page she has "Ender's Game, Wicked:The lift and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West, Wizard of Oz, Love is a Mix Tape, and Of Mice and Men. 

She works in theatre if that helps.
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Post by: Groogrux on December 28, 2010, 02:11:55 PM
Classics like Fahrenheit 451 and 1984 are always good for a quick read if she hasn't already.  She could check out the other Gregory Maguire books like Son of a Witch. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on December 29, 2010, 12:47:06 AM
The Bore needs to collectively get on Lee Child's Jack Reacher books. They are basically Die Hard/24 on paper. I don't think you can get much more manly than a Jack Reacher novel. Seriously, this motherfucker makes Jack Bauer look like Bertie Wooster. Do yourself a favor and read at least the first one.
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Post by: Groogrux on December 29, 2010, 10:09:53 AM
The Bore needs to collectively get on Lee Child's Jack Reacher books. They are basically Die Hard/24 on paper. I don't think you can get much more manly than a Jack Reacher novel. Seriously, this motherfucker makes Jack Bauer look like Bertie Wooster. Do yourself a favor and read at least the first one.

I might do that.  I've been stuck for the past 2 months on the fourth Dexter novel.  I'm sure it's a good story, but I just can't draw myself into it.  It might be a book that I force myself to read until I find the plot interesting.  I have also seen some recommendations for Game of Thrones.  What about the Dark Tower series?  Were they worth the read or is it more Stephen King rambling like Dreamcatcher?
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Post by: Mupepe on December 29, 2010, 11:49:39 AM
Classics like Fahrenheit 451 and 1984 are always good for a quick read if she hasn't already.  She could check out the other Gregory Maguire books like Son of a Witch. 
i went ahead and got game of thrones.  we'll see.  i'm pretty sure she's already read both of those.  thanks though
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Post by: Dickie Dee on December 29, 2010, 06:01:57 PM
(http://i54.tinypic.com/1z2j779.jpg)

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The Diving Bell and the Butterfly is a translation of the French memoir Le scaphandre et le papillon by journalist Jean-Dominique Bauby. It describes what his life is like after suffering a massive stroke that left him with a condition called locked-in syndrome. It also details what his life was like before the stroke.

On December 8, 1995, Bauby, the editor-in-chief of Elle magazine, suffered a stroke and lapsed into a coma. He awoke 20 days later, mentally aware of his surroundings but physically paralyzed with the exception of some movement in his head and eyes (one of which had to be sewn up due to an irrigation problem). The entire book was written by Bauby blinking his left eyelid, which took ten months (four hours a day). Using partner assisted scanning, a transcriber repeatedly recited a French language frequency-ordered alphabet (E, S, A, R, I, N, T, U, L, etc.), until Bauby blinked to choose the next letter. The book took about 200,000 blinks to write and an average word took approximately two minutes. The book also chronicles everyday events for a person with locked-in syndrome. These events include playing at the beach with his family, getting a bath, and meeting visitors.

The French edition of the book was published on March 6, 1997. It received excellent reviews, sold the first 25,000 copies on the day of publication, reaching 150,000 in a week. It went on to become a number one bestseller across Europe. Its total sales are now in the millions. Bauby died two days after the book was published, on March 9, 1997, of pneumonia.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on December 29, 2010, 07:44:10 PM
It was myself (and Cohen) who recommended Altered Carbon, Kosma. Glad you enjoyed it.

I've only read 2 of the Reacher books so far. The 1st was 1st person, the 2nd wasn't. I assumed he had learned his lesson and was going with traditional 2nd person from there on, but it sounds like he didn't. Oh dear.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2010, 07:59:28 PM
hmmm Jack Bauer/Die Hard? Might have to check it out
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2010, 05:10:56 PM
I've had that sitting on my shelf for a long time, but never got around to reading it. Post some more detailed impressions, if you don't mind.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2010, 05:14:50 PM
 :'(
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 31, 2010, 05:25:10 PM
(http://i54.tinypic.com/1z2j779.jpg)

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The Diving Bell and the Butterfly is a translation of the French memoir Le scaphandre et le papillon by journalist Jean-Dominique Bauby. It describes what his life is like after suffering a massive stroke that left him with a condition called locked-in syndrome. It also details what his life was like before the stroke.

On December 8, 1995, Bauby, the editor-in-chief of Elle magazine, suffered a stroke and lapsed into a coma. He awoke 20 days later, mentally aware of his surroundings but physically paralyzed with the exception of some movement in his head and eyes (one of which had to be sewn up due to an irrigation problem). The entire book was written by Bauby blinking his left eyelid, which took ten months (four hours a day). Using partner assisted scanning, a transcriber repeatedly recited a French language frequency-ordered alphabet (E, S, A, R, I, N, T, U, L, etc.), until Bauby blinked to choose the next letter. The book took about 200,000 blinks to write and an average word took approximately two minutes. The book also chronicles everyday events for a person with locked-in syndrome. These events include playing at the beach with his family, getting a bath, and meeting visitors.

The French edition of the book was published on March 6, 1997. It received excellent reviews, sold the first 25,000 copies on the day of publication, reaching 150,000 in a week. It went on to become a number one bestseller across Europe. Its total sales are now in the millions. Bauby died two days after the book was published, on March 9, 1997, of pneumonia.

Haven't read the book, but it was a good movie.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on December 31, 2010, 10:54:05 PM
jeez, there's probably an iphone app that does that now, would be so easy to throw together.
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Post by: Nintendosbooger on December 31, 2010, 11:03:57 PM
Those Jack Reacher novels are amazing.

I stopped reading them right before Persuader, because I was eating them up too fast and overdosed, but I plan on re-starting the series soon.
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Post by: Nintendosbooger on January 01, 2011, 02:43:41 AM
(http://www.caipliehouse.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/flashman.gif)

I've also wanted to take the opportunity to recommend the FLASHMAN books.

In a nutshell, the series detail the hilarious plights of a cowardly, self-serving Victorian-era antihero - Harry Flashman - who finds himself thrust into one adventure after another, from early 19th century Afghanistan to pre-Industrial era America. For the history buffs, the stories also include actual historical characters like Queen Victoria and Lord Auckland.

I have to warn some of our more sensitive readers, however, that these books are not politically correct. Some of the characters, particularly Flashman, are sexist, racist, and devoid of any moral restraint.

If you can overlook these, you're in for a treat.


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Post by: chronovore on January 01, 2011, 05:55:19 AM
Isn't that the character on which Blackadder's Lord Flashheart is based?
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Post by: Mandark on January 01, 2011, 11:12:22 AM
I've heard that theory and there's some overlap, but Flashheart is more of an amped-up version of some archaic ideals of masculinity, while Flashman (liar, cheat, and above all coward) is an outright subversion of them.

I'd recommend the early books more than the late ones.  Fraser definitely softens Flashman's edges later on, and it's a more interesting read when you're not being pushed to root for him outright.  Plus they're easily formulaic enough that you'll want to limit your intake anyways.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 01, 2011, 01:24:41 PM
The Ark Sakura, by Kobo Abe
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 01, 2011, 04:06:00 PM
It's actually my first Abe book. I like it so far, and if what you say is true his oeuvre will only be up from here!
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 02, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
I have those on order  :cookiem
about a third of the way through the book now, it's getting funnier and stranger with each chapter.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on January 25, 2011, 10:31:41 AM
Came back from the library with this...

(http://i.imgur.com/Yo8LD.jpg)
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Post by: Groogrux on January 25, 2011, 11:32:46 AM
I think I've seen that one!

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But seriously, let us know how it turns out.
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Post by: Nintendosbooger on January 26, 2011, 01:15:05 AM
I'm still finishing The God Delusion, but I plan on picking up True Grit once I'm done. Being a fan of non-Duke westerns, I was impressed by the Coen Brothers' remake and now I want to delve deeper into the story behind it. Would be the second time a Coen Brothers movie has compelled me to pick up its literary counterpart/source, with the first one being No Country for Old Men.
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Post by: chronovore on January 26, 2011, 08:59:02 AM
Just finishing Altered Carbon. Wow, it's been a great ride. Thanks, Cormacaroni!
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Post by: BlueTsunami on February 02, 2011, 10:44:45 PM
Finished Under the Dome

Enjoyable as far as Stephen King's writing can be but man I really don't want to read about the personal interrelationships (as detailed as it was in Under the Dome) of small town people ever again. He seemed to want the reader to experience a personal connection with the denizens of a North Eastern town and man did some of those pages drag, badly. The book could have seriously been edited down to a few character point of views and been much better.
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Post by: ManaByte on February 04, 2011, 05:37:46 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JQu4Zg4JL._SS500_.jpg)
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Post by: Dickie Dee on February 04, 2011, 05:45:17 PM
Just finishing Altered Carbon. Wow, it's been a great ride. Thanks, Cormacaroni!

Is it just one book? I peaked at the wiki and the setting sounded good but didn't read too far
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2011, 10:11:43 PM
Just finishing Altered Carbon. Wow, it's been a great ride. Thanks, Cormacaroni!

Is it just one book? I peaked at the wiki and the setting sounded good but didn't read too far

Each book is its own deal, much like the Philip Marlowe novels it loosely emulates.
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Post by: Eric P on February 07, 2011, 07:55:55 AM
thanks to wonkette, the news of this book's re-release didn't pass me by

http://www.theclotheshavenoemperor.com/

essentially, fuck Reagan.
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Post by: chronovore on February 07, 2011, 08:08:33 AM
Just finishing Altered Carbon. Wow, it's been a great ride. Thanks, Cormacaroni!

Is it just one book? I peaked at the wiki and the setting sounded good but didn't read too far

Cormacaroni's the one who turned me on to it, so I'll defer to his assessment. However, I'll add that I'd expected most of his stuff to read identically to the noir feeling of Altered Carbon, and was feeling a little foolish for jumping directly into Thirteen/Black Man. Wow, there are some really similar thematic strings and even some similar tech, but I'm definitely feeling Thirteen is a more solid, complete novel than A.C. I don't know what it is, but it's working for me.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2011, 10:33:57 AM
(http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/the-4-hour-body-20101207-134157.jpg)

RMan recommended it, so I picked it up on Kindle. I've always found his blog posts interesting and entertaining, but I've disagreed with as much of the content as I've agreed with. He's definitely got all kinds of crazy hands-on experience with all manner of body modification stuff so worth a look even if you've never considered applying anything here. You can of course find most of this info on the web for free but it's handy to have it all in one place. Sadly it reads much more like a series of short blog posts rather than an actual book, for the most part. But that's part of his strategy I guess - bite-sized pieces of info you can apply without pages and pages of theory and rationale.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on February 07, 2011, 04:18:51 PM
Also, I'm thoroughly convinced Hank Moody is based off of Ellis.
huh. i've been under the impression he's based off bukowski ( :-X)
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Post by: Sho Nuff on February 12, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
(http://www.mannythemovieguy.com/images/horns_joe_hill_movie_adaptation_movie_news_movie_reviews.jpg)

Just finished this on audiobook based on Prole's reco. Great trashy fun, turn off your brain before entering.

(http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/09/WindupGirl-thumb-300x458-23977.jpg)

Read this per Cormacaroni's recommendation. Hard-as-nails sci-fi, absolutely loved the ending too.

(http://billwardwriter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/vanilla-ride.jpg)

Working on this. This is from Joe Landsdale (writer of Bubba Ho-tep) -- more backwoods Texan ass-kickery featuring righteous sonsofbitches Hap and Leonard. In chapter 2 Hap throws an attack dog through a window. :punch
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Post by: lordmaji on February 12, 2011, 09:15:36 PM
Mind Programming: Persuasion, Brainwashing, and Practical metaphysics.

Looks rather interesting, covers corporate brainwashing and persuasion, same w/ individual manipulation. How to recognize it, and use it to your advantage, etc.

Seems pretty interesting.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on February 12, 2011, 09:36:01 PM
(http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/09/WindupGirl-thumb-300x458-23977.jpg)

Read this per Cormacaroni's recommendation. Hard-as-nails sci-fi, absolutely loved the ending too.

Just picked this up - hiss, boo if it sucks

(it looks really good)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2011, 11:04:17 PM
I've had that one my "to purchase and read" list for a while. It won one of the big scifi/fantasy awards a year or two ago.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2011, 07:47:43 AM
Trying out the Kindle book-lending service. Post in here if you got something from me  8)
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Post by: Beezy on February 13, 2011, 09:18:14 AM
I got a Kindle almost 2 weeks ago but I have no idea of what to buy. Haven't been a reader for years now. So far I only have this:

(http://thenewblackmagazine.com/Photofiles/black%20passenger%20yellow%20cabs.jpg)

I saw someone talking about it here about a month ago. I like it so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 13, 2011, 10:29:24 AM
Trying out the Kindle book-lending service. Post in here if you got something from me  8)

Got it, thank you!
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Post by: Dickie Dee on February 13, 2011, 03:49:22 PM
How is reading books on an ipad? If someone was in front of a computer all day and didn't feel much like staring at a screen for another 2-4 hours afterwards while reading is it still alright? Anyone that can compare it to e-ink readers?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2011, 06:06:54 PM
You'll want to do some quick exercises to make sure your eyes don't get strained. Tense all the muscles in your body, it'll help refocus the eyes. Focus your eyes on some item that's a few yards from where you are. Also move your eyes back and forth from the 4 corners of your computer monitor in some order (top right/bottom left/top left/bottom left etc)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2011, 06:26:40 PM
or pony up the $140 and get the Kindle. It's leagues better than the iPad for reading. The iPad is exactly 'alright'. If you MUST read ebooks. If you CANNOT get a Kindle. It is nowhere near as light or small as a Kindle, so you can't put it in a pocket, say. And it's more expensive so you might feel weird about taking it everywhere with you the way you would with a Kindle. The correct answer to 'iPad or Kindle'? is 'both'. If you can't afford both, wait - there will be a gazillion cheaper options this year, and prices will come down across the board.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on February 13, 2011, 07:06:29 PM
Oh yeah, Black Passenger is hella depressing
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Post by: Groogrux on February 14, 2011, 09:31:01 AM
I should be getting my Kindle in the next couple of weeks!  :hyper
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Post by: Sho Nuff on February 14, 2011, 05:44:32 PM
Does anyone else here have a public library that rents out eBooks? The Seattle one does, albeit in Adobe epub format (that's not compatible with the Kindle).

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A certain Python app combined with Calibre solves that problem though  :shh
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 14, 2011, 06:59:30 PM
I've rented a few books from the internet store. :shh
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Post by: Beezy on February 14, 2011, 08:04:52 PM
Oh yeah, Black Passenger is hella depressing
I'm not too far into it yet. What gets depressing about it? Japan's situation, the author, or both?

Edit: Kindle owns btw
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2011, 09:15:33 PM
I'm always jumping around between various books but here are a few that are in my rotation now:

The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss - the sequel is due out soon so it's finally time to re-read this monster. It's just a great story.

(http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nxyvrTr8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Griftopia by Matt Taibbi

Matt spittin' hot fiyah about investment banks, Alan Greenspan etc. Great fun.

(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/512EKEgfVfL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU09_.jpg)
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Post by: Groogrux on February 14, 2011, 10:16:29 PM
Does anyone else here have a public library that rents out eBooks? The Seattle one does, albeit in Adobe epub format (that's not compatible with the Kindle).

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A certain Python app combined with Calibre solves that problem though  :shh
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My state has one online public library that they all use.  It's all in epub, and everything is out...   ::)
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Post by: Sho Nuff on February 16, 2011, 03:36:03 AM
Cormac loaned me Killing Pablo: The Hunt for the World's Greatest Outlaw, which is about Pablo Escobar, who ran the Columbian cocaine cartel.

Mental note: NEVER GO TO COLUMBIA
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2011, 03:40:37 AM
Cormac loaned me Killing Pablo: The Hunt for the World's Greatest Outlaw, which is about Pablo Escobar, who ran the Columbian cocaine cartel.

Mental note: NEVER GO TO COLUMBIA

oh, you read it already?

btw, you may remember the story from 'Medellin', the fictional movie from Entourage :lol
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Post by: Corporal on February 16, 2011, 01:04:33 PM
I'm currently re-reading the good old-fashioned dead wood edition of "The design of everyday things" by Donald A. Norman. Old as all hell, but still very enjoyable. Should be required reading for anybody with "design" in their job description or title.

After my move I plan to tackle my meager collection of Gerald Durrell books. Loved them as a kid and had a really hard time ripping myself from them while packing them in boxes. :heart
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Post by: CajoleJuice on February 16, 2011, 03:17:18 PM
Jesus white people, it's Colombia, not the NYC Ivy League university.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on February 16, 2011, 04:58:28 PM
:'(
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2011, 06:33:14 PM
I loved the Baron in the Trees, smh
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Post by: chronovore on March 01, 2011, 03:16:05 AM
Thanks to the glory of Cormacaroni's cast-offs, I am thoroughly enjoying Bridge of Birds, by Barry Hughart.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2011, 03:18:52 AM
Is it not awesome?

This just unlocked on Kindle, reading now instead of working :hyper
I timed my re-read of the previous book perfectly, finishing just last night. it is ON.

Chronovore, you need to get on this. You have my old copy i believe.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZQ%2BYN6EyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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Post by: Groogrux on March 01, 2011, 03:26:51 AM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RugsOI3jHzQ/TQD_DRuI0yI/AAAAAAAACDo/EtxyRDGEaiA/s1600/primal-blueprint.jpg)

Can't wait to dig into this all the way!
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2011, 03:38:25 AM
the 1st book from health guru Mark Sisson of http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

It is 'the bomb'
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Post by: Groogrux on March 01, 2011, 03:39:02 AM
Cormac recommended it to me a while back.  It's all about Paleo dieting and healthy living through simplicity like cavemen.  I'm just getting started into it!  I'll be happy to tell you more once I'm further in.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 01, 2011, 10:03:58 AM
Needless to say I ordered another book from the same author and waiting on it now :)

(http://brendasbooknotes.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/blog-jacket-moose-jaw.jpg)

Wait wait what? Hope you read it with tongue firmly in cheek - it should be fun to read an account of the official shittiest town in Canada.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2011, 10:42:51 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZQ%2BYN6EyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

this is so fucking good so far. Harry Potter for grown-ups! Pure pleasure. Can't remember the last time I both anticipated and enjoyed a book so much. That's not to say it is of great literary worth - it is not. But it is still great entertainment, and well-written.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 01, 2011, 10:55:59 PM
i just finished name of the wind and really enjoyed it, now onto wise man's fear
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2011, 10:58:35 PM
DO IT NAU
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 02, 2011, 08:18:51 AM
@ Mamacint: isnt the book about the whole of Canada?

I honestly don't know, I'm only half Canadian

Not familar with the book, just know that Moose Jaw is near the shittiest place on earth. Enjoy!
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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2011, 08:55:02 AM
I listened to the audio book version of this on a recent long car trip.


http://www.amazon.com/War-Late-Night-Early-Television/dp/067002208X/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1


Was surprisingly good. Covered everything rather well and from all sides.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZQ%2BYN6EyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

this is so fucking good so far. Harry Potter for grown-ups! Pure pleasure. Can't remember the last time I both anticipated and enjoyed a book so much. That's not to say it is of great literary worth - it is not. But it is still great entertainment, and well-written.

I'll have to buy the first book next week, keep hearing good things about it

btw have you nerds read the Acacia series? Also heard some good things about it
http://www.amazon.com/Acacia-War-Mein-Book/dp/0385506066
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 06, 2011, 04:35:00 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RugsOI3jHzQ/TQD_DRuI0yI/AAAAAAAACDo/EtxyRDGEaiA/s1600/primal-blueprint.jpg)

Can't wait to dig into this all the way!

A self-help book from Gary Busey, what could go wrong?
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Post by: Groogrux on March 06, 2011, 06:34:37 PM
 :lol  He does kinda look like Gary Busey...
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 09, 2011, 03:16:03 PM
Just read The Windup Girl instead.

I am  :-*
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 09, 2011, 03:43:29 PM
Anyone else read Sarah Vowell's books?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51htUBNziPL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Two more weeks until it's out. Cannot wait.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 09, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
Vowell writes about American history. Past books have focused on the Puritans and presidential assassinations. Unfamiliar Fishes deals with America's colonization of Hawaii.

Quote from: Amazon descrption
Recounting the brief, remarkable history of a unified and independent Hawaii, Vowell, a public radio star and bestselling author (The Wordy Shipmates), retraces the impact of New England missionaries who began arriving in the early 1800s to remake the island paradise into a version of New England. In her usual wry tone, Vowell brings out the ironies of their efforts: while the missionaries tried to prevent prostitution with seamen and the resulting deadly diseases, the natives believed it was the missionaries who would kill them: "they will pray us all to death." Along the way, and with the best of intentions, the missionaries eradicated an environmentally friendly, laid-back native culture (although the Hawaiians did have taboos against women sharing a table with men, upon penalty of death, and a reverence for "royal incest"). Freely admitting her own prejudices, Vowell gives contemporary relevance to the past as she weaves in, for instance, Obama's boyhood memories. Outrageous and wise-cracking, educational but never dry, this book is a thought-provoking and entertaining glimpse into the U.S.'s most unusual state and its unanticipated twists on the familiar story of Americanization.

She's a regular contributor to This American Life and was also the voice of Violet in The Incredibles, if that helps any.
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Post by: Eric P on March 10, 2011, 07:50:42 PM
Anyone else read Sarah Vowell's books?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51htUBNziPL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Two more weeks until it's out. Cannot wait.

I just finished The Wordy Shipmates yesterday.  I wish it were longer.  I'm looking forward to this book, but it's going to be a while.  I'm the 13th in line at my local library.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on March 11, 2011, 01:14:24 AM
Hey

I don't read a lot of fantasy, but I am looking for a writer who is anti-tolkien and has a story where his main character dies over and over and appears in different places in time. He is a living writer, might be current. I don't have much to go on besides that.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2011, 01:18:03 AM
No idea. read Game of Thrones
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Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2011, 02:07:24 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Company-Ogres-Lee-Martinez/dp/0765315475 perhaps?
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Post by: Skidmark on March 11, 2011, 02:24:57 PM
Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!
(Adventures of a Curious Character)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bfXgajOUL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)


Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 02:44:12 PM
Anyone else read Sarah Vowell's books?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51htUBNziPL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Two more weeks until it's out. Cannot wait.

I just finished The Wordy Shipmates yesterday.  I wish it were longer.  I'm looking forward to this book, but it's going to be a while.  I'm the 13th in line at my local library.

I already preordered it. Vowell is doing a reading/signing here in Seattle on the 28th, and it's free if you bought the book at a local bookstore.
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Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2011, 03:45:05 PM
yeah i'm avoiding all of her book tour stuff, not because i am disinterested, but rather because they're generally crowded clusterfucks.

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Post by: etiolate on March 11, 2011, 05:05:24 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Company-Ogres-Lee-Martinez/dp/0765315475 perhaps?

I don't think so, but I'll ask the eprson who pushed me in this direction.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2011, 12:14:39 AM
Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!
(Adventures of a Curious Character)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bfXgajOUL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)




Read that YEARS ago and enjoyed it. I just got 'Genius' by James Gleick, which is a straight-up bio of Feynman. Really looking forward to it.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 20, 2011, 12:52:23 AM
Been reading Mythos stuff, picked this up at Half-Price Books.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510MEQ0QE1L.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on March 20, 2011, 03:03:24 AM
Joe, I was recently hepped to W.H. Pugmire.  If you want mythos which isn't just pastiche (weird, I know) check her out.  I say "her" but it's a dude who is rather flamboyantly calling himself the queen of horror.

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(http://sesqua.net/babsfag.jpg)
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Also check out Laird Barron's Occultation and The Imago Sequence
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 20, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
Thanks for the tip, I'll add the stuff you mentioned to my wishlist for future reference.
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Post by: Eric P on March 20, 2011, 10:25:11 AM
if you have an e-reader, you can pick up the Laird Barron books through webscriptions for $6 a pop

http://www.webscription.net/s-173-laird-barron.aspx
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Post by: Reb on March 20, 2011, 11:33:35 AM
(http://theliterarylollipop.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/raw-shark.jpg)

I like this kind of book, it feels like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
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Post by: Robo on March 23, 2011, 02:27:08 PM
I picked up a bunch of stuff from the charity counter at the grocery store recently: Tom Robbin's Still Life with Woodpecker (which had a 1983 ticket to The Ramones tucked in the pages as a bookmark), Scorsese on Scorsese, Dylan Thomas' Adventures in the Skin Trade, and Michael Chabon's Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay.

Just finished off Ender's Game last night, which I'd never bothered with before.  Should've went on never bothering.
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Post by: Raban on March 23, 2011, 09:21:56 PM
:piss Ender's Game
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Post by: Beezy on March 24, 2011, 08:37:02 AM
Finished Black Passenger, Yellow Cabs last night. Japan :-\
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Post by: Eric P on March 24, 2011, 10:12:39 AM
(http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/the_big_payback.jpg)

this book is amazing.

So many Jewish kids.
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Post by: Beezy on March 24, 2011, 10:44:28 AM
I'm gonna check that out, Eric P. A friend lent this to me:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417dUSl-GDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Reading it next since it's pretty short.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 12, 2011, 01:04:43 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zwyTJNlWL._SS500_.jpg)

Finally finished reading it today. Great book, really loved it. I'd probably call it one of my favorite scifi books, up with the likes of Dune in its ability to build complex, compelling worlds and fill them with interesting characters. Not all of the stories bowled me over [Brawne's was my favorite, with it's Blade Runner feel], but I did ultimately enjoy them all. Also, I want to pick up Fall of Hyperion and start reading it immediately.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 12, 2011, 01:13:56 AM
oh, read the lot, they're all great in their way including the Endymion books. Don't expect the same book another 3 times though.
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Post by: rodi on April 12, 2011, 01:20:46 AM
:piss Ender's Game

>:(

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Truthfully, I feel the same way, but I can't help it. It's like Harry Potter in my head now, one of those things I would never admit liking in public.  :(
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But I'm rereading Catch-22 after some guy tried using that book as a way to flirt with me.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on April 12, 2011, 02:16:43 AM
Hyperion is probably the best of the four books, though it does end on a high note with the last being a close second (IMO of course)

Also highly recommend his Ilium/Olympos books, along with his non-scifi stuff.
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Post by: Polari on April 12, 2011, 05:54:59 AM
Anyone reading The Pale King? I'm tempted and will probably get around to it at some point but an unfinished novel sounds like a bit of a dry hump.
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Post by: Eric P on April 12, 2011, 07:20:43 AM
just got unfamiliar fishes from the library last night.

before that was reading a book by a polish author; jerzy pilch's a thousand peaceful cities.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 12, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
oh, read the lot, they're all great in their way including the Endymion books. Don't expect the same book another 3 times though.

I loved the first two books but really hated the Endymions ... ymmv

Finished Kingkiller Chronicles 1 and 2 over the last few days. I really enjoyed them but I'd be damned if I could tell you why - they're like popcorn. SPOILER THOUGHTS

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The author is a good writer, not great; he relies too much on clichés but sure knows which ones to deploy for maximum effect. He reminds me of King or Crichton - pulpy, yet still substantial and addictive.

The pacing of the books (especially the second) are shot to all hell. It's like he wrote four separate 250 page novels and strung them together with the barest of connective tissue.

Lotta sex in book 2! Lotta sex.

I like the University setting and its focus on money and busking over magic and adventure. I liked the court intrigue with the Maer, too ... the Adem bored me. I called them a "Mary Suetopia" only to discover via TV Tropes I was not the first to come up with such a bon mot.  The most boring section for me was killing the dragon in Book 1. I can't exactly say why I'd rather read about grinding out deck lamps in the Fishery than killing mythical beasts.

Sympathy is very similar to the magic system used in Emily Short's Savoir-Faire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoir-Faire

Really enjoy the sharp change in tone between the frame story sections and the flashbacks. I'm willing to forgive some of the rip-roaring "and then I was awesome and the best ever and fucked all the ladies" tone of the narrative because I don't really trust Kvothe as a narrator - between the frame story and the Edema Ruh background, I'm certain he's telling the best story he can, not the most true one.

Auri is mai waifu, Denna is decidedly NOT.

Looking forward to book 3! Not looking forward to books 4 and 5, should that come to pass.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on April 12, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
I've been reading too many baseball-related books that I'm sure no one here would care about, but I also recently finished A Game of Thrones, which was pretty damn good. The writing might not amazing, and some of the female characterization may be a bit misogynistic, but the world is impressive and GRRM's willingness to dispose of characters adds suspense to every decision and encounter.

Reading this now:

(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1170899698l/76799.jpg)

Just fantastic.
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Post by: Nintendosbooger on April 12, 2011, 11:19:57 PM
^

I have that book and it is amazing, but if you really do find the Song of Ice and Fire series interesting, you'll need to read it in its entirety without any significant break-time in between novels or else you'll risk forgetting some names, moments, and events.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2011, 11:31:36 PM
cajole tell me what baseball books you're reading, I'm a big fan
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 12, 2011, 11:35:25 PM
oh, read the lot, they're all great in their way including the Endymion books. Don't expect the same book another 3 times though.

I loved the first two books but really hated the Endymions ... ymmv

Finished Kingkiller Chronicles 1 and 2 over the last few days. I really enjoyed them but I'd be damned if I could tell you why - they're like popcorn. SPOILER THOUGHTS

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The author is a good writer, not great; he relies too much on clichés but sure knows which ones to deploy for maximum effect. He reminds me of King or Crichton - pulpy, yet still substantial and addictive.

The pacing of the books (especially the second) are shot to all hell. It's like he wrote four separate 250 page novels and strung them together with the barest of connective tissue.

Lotta sex in book 2! Lotta sex.

I like the University setting and its focus on money and busking over magic and adventure. I liked the court intrigue with the Maer, too ... the Adem bored me. I called them a "Mary Suetopia" only to discover via TV Tropes I was not the first to come up with such a bon mot.  The most boring section for me was killing the dragon in Book 1. I can't exactly say why I'd rather read about grinding out deck lamps in the Fishery than killing mythical beasts.

Sympathy is very similar to the magic system used in Emily Short's Savoir-Faire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoir-Faire

Really enjoy the sharp change in tone between the frame story sections and the flashbacks. I'm willing to forgive some of the rip-roaring "and then I was awesome and the best ever and fucked all the ladies" tone of the narrative because I don't really trust Kvothe as a narrator - between the frame story and the Edema Ruh background, I'm certain he's telling the best story he can, not the most true one.

Auri is mai waifu, Denna is decidedly NOT.

Looking forward to book 3! Not looking forward to books 4 and 5, should that come to pass.
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I agree with most of that. Quite how he managed to make all that seemingly mundane stuff feel so exciting and interesting is a bit of a mystery. It really is quite close in structure and method with Harry Potter (which I find oddly compelling but discard as soon as I'm finished, never to be touched or thought of again. I don't even bother to watch the movies). And didn't certain parts of it literally seem to consist of him returning to the hub (castle) to receive new quests? It was Bioware on paper for a bit there.

He is a fairly weak prose stylist (except for some nicely poetic bits once every couple hundred pages, some of which he repeats 3 or 4 times like the 'waiting to die...' lines). Yet every line of it seems to matter. Kvothe should be wildly smug and irritating but his failures are so spectacular that he kept my complete sympathy throughout. I was just hooked.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2011, 11:57:31 PM
Reading this now:

(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1170899698l/76799.jpg)

Just fantastic.

I listen to the audiobook a few years back. Very enjoyable. He has a nice writing style.
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Post by: chronovore on April 13, 2011, 11:22:22 AM
Anyone else read Sarah Vowell's books?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51htUBNziPL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Two more weeks until it's out. Cannot wait.

I just finished The Wordy Shipmates yesterday.  I wish it were longer.  I'm looking forward to this book, but it's going to be a while.  I'm the 13th in line at my local library.

I just ordered Wordy Shipmates for my step-dad, who is a casual history buff. I may order a copy for myself soon, as well.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2011, 10:54:43 AM
Having finished up Hyperion, I've now started on The Difference Engine. Victorian-era steampunk with the fluid, punkish stylings of William Gibson? Yes, please.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 14, 2011, 12:15:15 PM
having finished up Hyperion you should be doing NOTHING else until you finish Fall of Hyperion
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2011, 12:23:33 PM
I don't have it!

Plus, I put off reading The Difference Engine until I got Hyperion out of the way.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 14, 2011, 02:59:09 PM
ITT Great Rumbler enjoys Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers immensely, will read Return of the King "eventually," decides to investigate "this Xanth thing" instead

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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2011, 03:11:34 PM
ITT Great Rumbler enjoys Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers immensely, will read Return of the King "eventually," decides to investigate "this Xanth thing" instead

How is The Difference Engine remotely comparable to the Xanth series?  :wtf

And I don't even have the second Hyperion book. I borrowed the first one from my brother.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 14, 2011, 03:16:38 PM
it's not, Difference Engine is fine ;)

but to not read Fall of Hyperion immediately after Hyperion is like ... it's not a sequel, it's not even "one book in two volumes," it is the actual book

Hyperion is just backstory and prologue ... perhaps a better analogy would be The Hobbit to Fall of Hyperion's Lord of the Rings
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2011, 03:18:35 PM
1. I don't have Fall of Hyperion.
2. I've been wanting to read The Difference Engine for several months now.
3. It's not like I'm going to forget what happens between now and when I start reading Fall of Hyperion in a few weeks.

So there!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2011, 03:33:32 PM
Why is your brother such an asshole that he only gave you the one book?

That was the only one he had, never finished it.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2011, 04:45:19 PM
no u
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on April 20, 2011, 07:01:30 AM
Difference Engine didn't feel like it had any Gibson-ism in it, and was dry and lame for me. It was a real chore to get through. It should be noted that I've never read any Bruce Sterling, so it could be that the dry and lame-ness was all on him.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 20, 2011, 07:21:09 AM
Picked up Kitchen Confidential by Tony Bourdain late the other night and had real trouble putting it down. Great fun.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 20, 2011, 07:22:37 AM
Also finished Echo Burning by Lee Child, the worst of the Reacher books so far, by a long way. It was still good but soooooo much set up.
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Post by: Eric P on April 20, 2011, 09:46:16 AM
Michael Cisco's The Great Lover.  I'm about a third of the way through.  It's a slippery novel where you have to pay attention to every moving part to keep a handle on it otherwise you'll find yourself re-reading entire chunks.

It's pretty much amazing.

I think Treesong and Cohen may enjoy it.
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Post by: Groogrux on April 20, 2011, 10:03:06 AM
Reading through The Darktower Series by Stephen King.  Don't hate.  I wanted to see what it's all about.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 20, 2011, 01:04:41 PM
Picked up Kitchen Confidential by Tony Bourdain late the other night and had real trouble putting it down. Great fun.

I read through Kitchen Confidential on the flight back from Tokyo back in 2006. Really fun read.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2011, 01:12:03 PM
The Scar So far I like it better than Perdido Street Station.  It has the same go for broke with every idea imaginable style, but the narrative is a little better plotted.

Man, I've got both of those sitting on my shelf right now. Gonna need to get around to them sometime.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 20, 2011, 04:29:26 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Infinite_jest_cover.jpg)

on my nook

Did anyone pick up DFW's The Pale King?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 20, 2011, 08:17:54 PM
no - still haven't read the copy of Infinite Jest I bought approx 5 yrs ago. I'm gonna pirate a copy on Kindle 'cause I'm never gonna lug that brick around with me now, let's face it.
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Post by: Polari on April 21, 2011, 05:33:11 AM
Just ordered this

(http://i.imgur.com/uYH6S.jpg)

:hyper

Admittedly it's not the super awesome £900 one, but it's still 1200 pages of awesomeness for only £28. Plus Amazon are doing free shipping to New Zealand until May 15. Happy days!
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Post by: chronovore on April 25, 2011, 07:11:46 PM
no - still haven't read the copy of Infinite Jest I bought approx 5 yrs ago. I'm gonna pirate a copy on Kindle 'cause I'm never gonna lug that brick around with me now, let's face it.

I'd do the same. I am grateful to be gifted so many of your books when you cleaned your Man Cave™ but I have my iPod Touch and Stanza with me at all times. Dead tree format is so inconvenient.

I want to read a DFW book, but am a'fear'd of dealing with the suicide elements.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 25, 2011, 07:43:40 PM
The Scar So far I like it better than Perdido Street Station.  It has the same go for broke with every idea imaginable style, but the narrative is a little better plotted.

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Plus Armada is awesome
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The City & The City > The Scar > Perdido Street Station

PSS is rather overrated - it's fun and messy but it reeks of first novel kitchen-sink-throwing non-coherence
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 29, 2011, 08:24:02 AM
i'm nearly done with Game of Thrones. loving it.
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Post by: chronovore on April 30, 2011, 12:41:13 AM
Meant to read Iron Sunrise, but accidentally picked up Singularity Sky instead. Which I'd already read once. S'fine with me, Stross is wonderful.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 02, 2011, 08:07:14 PM
i think with a kindle now i may decide to finally finish the Dark Tower series.

i've been sitting on Wolves of Calla for about 5 years now.

sigh
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2011, 10:30:16 PM
i think with a kindle now i may decide to finally finish the Dark Tower series.

i've been sitting on Wolves of Calla for about 5 years now.

sigh

lol, same here. I've stopped and started the series 3 or 4 times over the past 15 years. I was ~200 pages into The Wolves of Calla when I gave it up about 4 or 5 years ago.
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Post by: GilloD on May 02, 2011, 10:46:40 PM
Clash of Kings. Way dragg-ier than Game of Thrones, still compelling.
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Post by: chronovore on May 03, 2011, 08:59:49 AM
Finally picked up I Am Legend in paperback, started reading it on my iPod instead.  >:(

The will smith movie was crap, but the vincent price one is pretty good, it feels like this book in many ways. What's surprising is the hero lives in Gardena, CA. My hometown! Pretty easy to picture the mid-'70s Gardena in a post-apocalypse setting.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2011, 10:41:01 AM
I read it and enjoyed it a lot, yeah. As I recall, he is pretty upfront about the actual 'story' only being a small fraction of the book. I enjoyed all of it nonetheless.

(btw I picked up a couple of Bourdain's books recently and enjoyed them a lot. I remember you repping him hard so cheers!)
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Post by: chronovore on May 06, 2011, 09:19:46 AM
Just ran into this review by Gabe at penny-arcade:
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The City & The City - I got about half way through this book and gave up. I just don’t understand these fucking cities. His next book should be called “I’m Smarter Than You” and he can just take a shit inside it.
:lol :lol :lol
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 08, 2011, 11:13:21 AM

lol, same here. I've stopped and started the series 3 or 4 times over the past 15 years. I was ~200 pages into The Wolves of Calla when I gave it up about 4 or 5 years ago.


i just finished it. i'll say it's a slow start but fuck does it pick up. and shit gets crazier and crazier as it goes. we're in full on META zone right now.

there's an entire story in the middle that is a continuation of another King book (spoiler of you havent read it:
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Salem's Lot
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I caught the reference but since I never read it i didn't realize it was literally retelling the story then following the character thereafter. pretty crazy.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 08, 2011, 11:24:10 AM
(http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/6383266-L.jpg)

I finished reading this book.  A real page turner, it basically shows how wealthy industrialists grifted and sucked the country dry for 60 years (1870-1930 - the book was written in the late 1930s) and how the government was helping them almost every step of the way, including the New Deal.  It pretty much covers almost everything that the rich did, including education and philanthropic donations.  It also lists how much what family gave to which candidate for what election years.  The author was totally ruthless with Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover.

It's a great book and best of all, it is public domain so everyone can read if they like history.  He wrote a sequel about thirty years later that I will probably check out next.
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Post by: nice cat but chicken on May 09, 2011, 05:42:12 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Infinite_jest_cover.jpg)

on my nook

Did anyone pick up DFW's The Pale King?

i've been reading this inbetween others for like 6 months now. it is amazingly funny, often subtly sometimes brazenly. i love it.
definitely not the ideal way to read a book but the scope of it is just so overwhelming!

started reading
(http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n10/n50349.jpg)
the other day. my first DeLillo. i'm loving it so far. incredibly ascerbic and neurotic but he somehow presents a model of a loving home life within a truly morbid context. already thinking about what to read by him next. recommendations?
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Post by: tiesto on May 09, 2011, 01:49:25 PM
I'm taking the Dale Carnegie course via work, so this:

(http://mlmprofitsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/winfriends.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2011, 04:33:34 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Infinite_jest_cover.jpg)

on my nook

Did anyone pick up DFW's The Pale King?

i've been reading this inbetween others for like 6 months now. it is amazingly funny, often subtly sometimes brazenly. i love it.
definitely not the ideal way to read a book but the scope of it is just so overwhelming!

I don't know how far into you are, but I'm up to the part where they're playing Eschaton. Great stuff.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 09, 2011, 05:40:21 PM
Just ran into this review by Gabe at penny-arcade:
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The City & The City - I got about half way through this book and gave up. I just don’t understand these fucking cities. His next book should be called “I’m Smarter Than You” and he can just take a shit inside it.
:lol :lol :lol

not a good idea, how would we tell books apart when they are all renamed "I'm Smarter Than Gabe"?
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Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
Gabe reviews Green Eggs and Ham:  "I don't get it.  I guess the author's more concerned with rubbing in the fact that he's a Doctor than with writing a story I could understand."


The City & The City is a ton of fun.  Reminds me of the Yiddish Policemen's Union, where an author pares down his normally showy prose style because dammit, this is how you write a detective novel.

Also, the world-building (I think with Mieville we should call it city-building) is a lot more focused and serves the story rather than vice versa, as it sometimes felt in PSS.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 11, 2011, 04:01:08 PM
been reading Dark Tower book 6. shit is getting out of control. the comparisons between this and the last few seasons of lost are apt. at first the weirdness was subtle but now it's like a homeless guy waving his dick in your face on the subway. just so blatant. like seriously:
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roland and eddie go and visit STEPHEN KING. WHAT THE FUCK
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Post by: Eric P on May 11, 2011, 09:52:04 PM
(http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/6383266-L.jpg)

I finished reading this book.  A real page turner, it basically shows how wealthy industrialists grifted and sucked the country dry for 60 years (1870-1930 - the book was written in the late 1930s) and how the government was helping them almost every step of the way, including the New Deal.  It pretty much covers almost everything that the rich did, including education and philanthropic donations.  It also lists how much what family gave to which candidate for what election years.  The author was totally ruthless with Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover.

It's a great book and best of all, it is public domain so everyone can read if they like history.  He wrote a sequel about thirty years later that I will probably check out next.

This does sound pretty cool actually.  thanks for the tip.

I'm currently reading The Last Brother.  It's really really good.

(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1286387307l/9083994.jpg)
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Post by: chronovore on May 13, 2011, 09:38:58 AM
Just ran into this review by Gabe at penny-arcade:
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The City & The City - I got about half way through this book and gave up. I just don’t understand these fucking cities. His next book should be called “I’m Smarter Than You” and he can just take a shit inside it.
:lol :lol :lol

not a good idea, how would we tell books apart when they are all renamed "I'm Smarter Than Gabe"?
I hadn't really considered it. I was too busy laughing at a hardcover book with a fresh, steaming poop inside of it.

Gabe reviews Green Eggs and Ham:  "I don't get it.  I guess the author's more concerned with rubbing in the fact that he's a Doctor than with writing a story I could understand."
:lol
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Post by: Groogrux on May 16, 2011, 11:19:32 PM
I just finished the first book in The Darktower Series, The Gunslinger.  Not bad.  I hear that King gets kooky with this shit, but I'm game.
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Post by: chronovore on May 18, 2011, 01:44:09 AM
Read the first four or five, then bail. The Blaine the Mono stuff was good, but once he starts traipsing into his other stories and such, it seems masturbatory.
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Post by: Polari on May 18, 2011, 06:32:17 AM
I just finished Taliban Shuffle by Kim Barker.  It's an account of a journalist who spent 5 years or so in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  I was hesitant to pick it up because it's by a woman but the author of Imperial Life in the Emerald City (great read) praised it highly, saying how laugh out loud funny it was.  I figured not reading something I'm interested in because a woman wrote it was pretty dumb so I bought it.

I should have gone with my gut.  It reads like Sex in the City: Afghanistan.  She's constantly talking about what she's wearing, what parties she went to, and who she is dating.  I only found one line even smirk worthy and learned almost nothing about Afghan or Pakistani culture.  In the end she dismisses Obama's Afghanistan policy but nothing in the book makes me value her opinion on the region.  What a waste of time.

Sounds dire, but you're missing out if you hold a prejudice against women journalists. Much of Joan Didion's work, Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem" and although some people consider her work overly didactic, if you can separate her work from her violent activism, Ulrike Meinhof's essays are brilliant.
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Post by: Groogrux on May 20, 2011, 09:39:32 PM
Just started The Drawing of the Three, the second book in the Darktower Series.  Not bad at all so far.  The Gunslinger started out slow in my opinion, so I'm glad to see this one kinda taking off.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 29, 2011, 11:12:38 PM
Just started The Drawing of the Three, the second book in the Darktower Series.  Not bad at all so far.  The Gunslinger started out slow in my opinion, so I'm glad to see this one kinda taking off.

I'm about half way through the final book and let me tell you... shit gets crazy. Real crazy. I've seen people compare it to Lost in how the later stuff flew off the rails and I think it's apt. Though I think King's writing is still good and the story is well told - it's pretty wacky.

IMO the next book is the best, Wizard and Glass.


Like I said I'm midway through the finale book - The Dark Tower. Depending on my pace in the next three weeks I'm hoping to start Clash of Kings after I'm finished which is hopefully around the same time Game of Thrones season 1 ends.

But I do really want to read The Witcher books. Also kind want to try out those Mass Effect books as well. I feel no shame in wanting to read video game books.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2011, 11:26:49 PM

But I do really want to read The Witcher books. Also kind want to try out those Mass Effect books as well. I feel no shame in wanting to read video game books.

All the Witcher books are actually from the 90's.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 29, 2011, 11:49:43 PM
yeah i know. the last comment was more directed at wanting to read the Mass Effect books. poor wording on my part
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Post by: chronovore on June 01, 2011, 08:05:25 AM
Started William Gibson's Zero History, and am finding it even less compelling than Pattern Recognition and whatever the other Bigend trilogy book was. Spook Country. Christ, I bought that in hardcover, and I can't even remember its name. Gibson is growing contrived as he works to re-establish himself as a fiction writer rather than SF. The trend-chasing thing is cute, but all the descriptions feel overwrought instead of clever.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 01, 2011, 11:18:18 AM
An Introduction to Godel's Theorems
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 03, 2011, 09:53:03 AM
The thing I just started noticing about Stephen King's writing (at least in the DT stuff) is that the only time the fiction is really moving forward is when he introduces a new character or set of characters that are simply there to spout exposition then they usually move on or die.
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Post by: chronovore on June 04, 2011, 05:37:59 AM
Zero History is picking up nicely.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 04, 2011, 12:07:59 PM
I'm at the end of The Dark Tower.

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Not the end but near it. I'm almost tempted to truly stop here and not really finish it.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 04, 2011, 12:48:03 PM
mother fucker
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Post by: chronovore on June 20, 2011, 06:43:34 PM
Zero History is picking up nicely.

Finished Zero History last night. I completely turned around on this. Gibson's endings always feel muddled to me. This time, he got it just right. This is the best of the Hubertus Bigend trilogy, which is may be damning through faint praise, so I'll add that his characterization is better than it's ever been.

I laughed out loud at one of the late reveals, which came out of nowhere but is perfect for the world he built.

I'd say the only weak point are multiple points at which he has characters engage in exposition. In a way, it shows motivation, since the characters are voicing what's happening from their own perspective, but they're not wildly differing from each other, so it mostly reads like "Hey, reader! Here's why this is happening..." It only happens a few times though, and considering my confessed history of being confused by his endings, I'm not going to complain too loudly.
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Post by: etiolate on June 20, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
(http://1heckofaguy.com/wp-content/photos/calvino%20cities.jpg)
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Post by: Sho Nuff on June 23, 2011, 04:21:37 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NM8B3BNCL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

This is the autobiography of martial arts pioneer JUDO GENE LEBELL. This is the guy who choked out Stephen Seagal and made him poop himself, though he is much too polite to tell the story himself.

Plus he also wrestles bears

THE MAN FUCKING WRESTLES BEARS

(http://www.genelebell.com/images/gallery/bear2big.jpg)


BEARS
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Post by: Groogrux on June 24, 2011, 05:33:11 AM
I stopped reading The Drawing of the Three - The second book in the Darktower Series - just because I never could compel myself to pick it up and read it.  It was that boring to me. 

I started in on the first few pages of A Game of Thrones, but I may wait to really get into it.  I think my problem might be that I'm just not ready to get into a series and feel like I'm committed to finish it.  I've got a few one-off books queued up to read, so I may get into a couple of them.
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Post by: chronovore on June 24, 2011, 11:09:00 AM
I stopped reading The Drawing of the Three - The second book in the Darktower Series - just because I never could compel myself to pick it up and read it.  It was that boring to me. 

I started in on the first few pages of A Game of Thrones, but I may wait to really get into it.  I think my problem might be that I'm just not ready to get into a series and feel like I'm committed to finish it.  I've got a few one-off books queued up to read, so I may get into a couple of them.

I looked for A Game of Thrones this morning, convinced that I own it and it's hiding somewhere. I did not find it. The intrigue thickens...
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Post by: Groogrux on June 24, 2011, 11:17:23 AM
I've got mine in Ebook format.  Never.  Search.  Again.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 12:10:16 PM
i've lost my Kindle several times :lol
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Post by: Eric P on June 24, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
after reading a string of genre books, i'm tucking into some nice mainstream summer reading.  Tabloid City, one day in New York City seen through the eyes of people working at a dying newspaper.  So far lots of nothing except for reminiscing about Paris in the 40s and the Newspaper Biz in the 70s and 80s.  I'm only 40 pages in, so I don't yet have an opinion.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2011, 04:25:29 AM
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre

Very breezy and readable, but tackles some pretty huge issues. Underscores just how important it is to be skeptical and constructively critical of all this data we are bombarded with.

(http://www.healthnewsreview.org/blog/Bad%20Science%20book%20cover.jpg)

Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan - very LTTP on this one of course. Was in the mood for a different voice on food after reading a few Anthony Bourdain books.

(http://www.theamateurgourmet.com/OmnivoresDilemma_full.jpg)


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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 28, 2011, 11:59:50 AM
Wuthering Heights
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 28, 2011, 01:30:05 PM
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Wuthering Heights

holy shit, a book in the book thread i've actually read (!)

not sure this is the right place, but i'm starting to amass a ton of technical ebooks that i really could do with carrying about with me so i'm looking at aquiring a kindle.

Now i'm a bit Kindle-ignorant here - but how do i get unpurchased books from my HDD onto the Kindle ? is it easy? Is now the right time to kindle? etc etc


you plug in your Kindle and drag-and-drop files to the \Books\ directory

would be nice to sync over Wi-Fi but you can't always get what you want

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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2011, 09:24:41 PM
DC is 'thinking' of getting a Kindle? A $140 purchase decision? Clearly the XFE Chad Warden glory days are long gone.

Calibre is handy for converting and managing your Kindle stuff btw, if drag and drop is too painful.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 28, 2011, 09:34:30 PM
don't worry, your Kindle will work just fine with "unpurchased" books :pirate

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I buy everything anyways because 1) I'm moral 2) I'm a sucker for cloud-based bookmarks being synched between multiple devices. I can read the same book on my iPad at lunch at work, my iPhone at the gym after work, and my Kindle in bed before going to sleep. THIS IS LIVING
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2011, 09:41:15 PM
I'm with H.A.T. - buy books 'cause authors deserve it and the value for money is off the charts. WhisperSync is the shit as well - my dream is to have an array of Kindles (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Kindles, or RAIK) anywhere I might sit my ass down to read - armchair, toilet, bed etc, all permanently syncing away. Ahhh.

Having said that, I have no compunctions about downloading loads of shit I already own on paper (or owned :teehee), or is out of print or whatever.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BamYouHaveAids on June 29, 2011, 04:37:57 AM
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Pretty cool so far, but definitely much different than Blade Runner.
:bow

Great great book.

I'm reading

The Club Dumas
and i'm re-reading A Storm of Swords :bow

A DANCE WITH DRAGONS 2009 :bow :bow :bow
sorry but  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 29, 2011, 12:21:33 PM
Having said that, I have no compunctions about downloading loads of shit I already own on paper (or owned :teehee), or is out of print or whatever.

Yup, I finally read Zelazny's Amber books because it was on my Kindle and not on my bookshelf as a single 1400-page 10-volume omnibus. Amber's not "officially" out as eBooks yet but I don't really "care"
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 29, 2011, 12:28:19 PM
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Pretty cool so far, but definitely much different than Blade Runner.
:bow

Great great book.

I'm reading

The Club Dumas
and i'm re-reading A Storm of Swords :bow

A DANCE WITH DRAGONS 2009 :bow :bow :bow
sorry but  :lol :lol :lol

holy shit :rofl
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 30, 2011, 01:39:57 AM
Having said that, I have no compunctions about downloading loads of shit I already own on paper (or owned :teehee), or is out of print or whatever.

Yup, I finally read Zelazny's Amber books because it was on my Kindle and not on my bookshelf as a single 1400-page 10-volume omnibus. Amber's not "officially" out as eBooks yet but I don't really "care"

haha, I think I have the same volume on my shelf, also unread - Fantasy Masterworks vol 6

Kindle rocks for reading the bricks. I may finally read Gravity's Rainbow and The Infinite Jest now.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2011, 02:52:37 AM
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Pretty cool so far, but definitely much different than Blade Runner.
:bow

Great great book.

I'm reading

The Club Dumas
and i'm re-reading A Storm of Swords :bow

A DANCE WITH DRAGONS 2009 :bow :bow :bow
sorry but  :lol :lol :lol
I was a bit off, but

JULY 12TH 2011 :bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Narag on June 30, 2011, 03:40:21 AM
Word isn't supported and pdf is awful on kindle. I think you can use Calibre to convert them though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 30, 2011, 04:18:15 AM
Calibre will convert them but it really depends how jacked-up the original formatting was. You can go in and set all sorts of parameters that probably help though.

If you don't want to convert, you can always open them in Google Docs on iOS or whatever I guess.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: pilonv1 on June 30, 2011, 06:21:53 AM
That new ESPN book, it's been good so far. Some of the guys at the start were real cunts.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on June 30, 2011, 06:40:59 AM
infinite jest would suck because of all the foot notes.

footnotes on kindle are a total pain in the ass
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 30, 2011, 08:08:21 AM
infinite jest would suck because of all the foot notes.

footnotes on kindle are a total pain in the ass

Yeah. There's no reason why they couldn't be easier to read...you should be able to view as a pop-up or something.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 30, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
Not only that, but Kindle's book marks implementation is such that if, say, you have:

Book Pages: 1-800
Footnotes Pages: 801-1000

The MOMENT you click on a link to a footnote, that is now your furthest read point and all your bookmarks will sync point after the "end" of the book, and you can't track your progress in the actual book easily anymore, etc. etc. really terrible.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 30, 2011, 09:38:58 PM
Yeah, this is why I imagine Kindle is a terrible option for textbooks/reference books. Searching is a pain in the ass, and there are no multiple bookmarks. It is also too slow to page through. Still early days though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 03, 2011, 09:25:29 AM
(http://www.lagunabeachbikini.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/health/Book-Goodcalories-badcalories.jpg)

absolutely fascinating read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 03, 2011, 11:00:16 AM
preach it Eric P

I think it will go down as one of the most important books of our lifetimes.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 03, 2011, 11:03:13 AM
SMH Corma   :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 03, 2011, 11:30:15 AM
preach it Eric P

I think it will go down as one of the most important books of our lifetimes.

i essentially immediately changed my diet, to the annoyance of the gf.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 03, 2011, 11:32:12 AM
SMH Corma   :lol

Yello there peanut gallery
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 03, 2011, 11:33:57 AM
preach it Eric P

I think it will go down as one of the most important books of our lifetimes.

i essentially immediately changed my diet, to the annoyance of the gf.


:bow

 It is indeed very irritating to significant others, but you may as well find out now whether she is going to respect your decisions or not. We'll be seeing you in Fitness Bore soon I trust! :)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 03, 2011, 12:38:17 PM
well after several aborted attempts to lose weight and exercise while working a full time job and going out 3-4 times a week to photograph concerts, I had kind of wanted to hold off visiting there again for fear of just dropping out of the routine. 

I've actually been doing the couch to 5k program for the past 3 weeks (just finished w3d3 this morning) and have stopped shooting so I can at least have a proper amount of sleep while i get started.  I actually went out for the first time the night before a run day and I was just worthless on the run this morning.  I completed it, but I'm not proud of my time distance or pace at all, so I need to keep evenings before a run clear at this point.

I haven't gone full paleo just yet, but I've totally cut out anything which is a carb carrier (goodbye morning cereal, hello morning chicken sausage and salad) or has sugar and have dropped down to one serving of fruit a day.

Quote
It is indeed very irritating to significant others,

"you should really read this book!"  "eh"
"you should at least read this article in the nytimes"  "eh"
"you should take a look at this blog post" "eh"
"how about these 10 sentences which sum up the entire book?" "eh"

I'm basically stopping at this point, because I gather that there is nothing more annoying than a recent convert to some new system.  I hope to let the results speak for themselves.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 03, 2011, 06:49:56 PM
good luck with that...my wife has had 4 years of watching me eat meat, vegetables and fat in quantities that she thought would kill me in 6 months...still thinks i'm going to drop dead in 6 months
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on August 03, 2011, 07:26:40 PM
Has she had any comment about the weight you've lost, or does she put that down to the exercise you're doing?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 03, 2011, 07:44:31 PM
there hasn't actually been much visible change yet.  though i was running i wasn't really the best of eaters, so there hasn't been anything too dramatic. 

to keep this on topic, i just finished reading the excellent Logicomix which is about Bertrand Russel and his quest for a way to demonstrate truth using logic.  Very well told.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: cool breeze on August 03, 2011, 11:31:54 PM
(http://www.lagunabeachbikini.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/health/Book-Goodcalories-badcalories.jpg)

absolutely fascinating read.

I went to a bookstore the other day and looked for that.  They didn't have it, but they had Taube's Why We Get Fat.  It was on the bottom of a diet book shelf, hidden between random other books, while The Bitch Diet and Abs Diet were filling the premium shelf space.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 03, 2011, 11:43:22 PM
there hasn't actually been much visible change yet.  though i was running i wasn't really the best of eaters, so there hasn't been anything too dramatic. 

to keep this on topic, i just finished reading the excellent Logicomix which is about Bertrand Russel and his quest for a way to demonstrate truth using logic.  Very well told.

Bertrand Russell is a stone cold boss, next you should read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Mathematician's_Apology
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 04, 2011, 12:13:59 AM
Linkzg -

Why We Get Fat is basically the layman's version of Good Calories, Bad Calories. If you can take it on faith to an extent that what he backs up what is saying in great detail in GCBC, Why We Get Fat is a much better read. You'll buzz through it, get all the big ideas, and then you can look into GCBC for more detail if you want later.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 04, 2011, 06:34:17 AM
It really isn't that complicated though. Eat healthy shit. Exercise.

Of course if you have no clue what's healthy then yeah you got to read up.

No?

SMH Corma   :lol

Yello there peanut gallery

I don't get it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 04, 2011, 07:44:30 AM
Eat healthy shit.


that's where the complications arise.  what western society has been told has been "healthy" for the past 40 years with regards to low fat diets may actually be extraordinarily bad for us.  the book is a thorough dismantling of bad science and bad journalism highlighting studies which were ignored because they didn't fit "conventional wisdom." Conventional wisdom which was a lot of bunk anyway.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 04, 2011, 08:47:10 AM
It really isn't that complicated though. Eat healthy shit. Exercise.

Of course if you have no clue what's healthy then yeah you got to read up.

No?

SMH Corma   :lol

Yello there peanut gallery

I don't get it.

Really. Nutritional science is 'not that complicated'. I suppose it would look that way to you, with your Ph.D in biochemistry and your 43 published papers in medical journals.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 04, 2011, 09:50:04 AM
Sorry Corma if I offended you, no reason to be picky  :heartbeat

Eat healthy shit.


that's where the complications arise.  what western society has been told has been "healthy" for the past 40 years with regards to low fat diets may actually be extraordinarily bad for us.  the book is a thorough dismantling of bad science and bad journalism highlighting studies which were ignored because they didn't fit "conventional wisdom." Conventional wisdom which was a lot of bunk anyway.

Just a hunch. Low fat diet is bad, since you need fats and they fill you up more then carbs?

Eat high carb food in the eve. Fatty foods in the morning?

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Im just repeating what I read in Mens Health yesterday
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 04, 2011, 11:15:28 AM
(http://www.lagunabeachbikini.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/health/Book-Goodcalories-badcalories.jpg)

absolutely fascinating read.

seems a weird book, making controversy over things that've been popularly discussed for at least a decade or two now...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: cool breeze on August 04, 2011, 11:17:18 AM
Linkzg -

Why We Get Fat is basically the layman's version of Good Calories, Bad Calories. If you can take it on faith to an extent that what he backs up what is saying in great detail in GCBC, Why We Get Fat is a much better read. You'll buzz through it, get all the big ideas, and then you can look into GCBC for more detail if you want later.

yeah, I read up a bit on the two earlier (just the page count difference is telling).  I was looking for GCBC for someone else who needs the detail, and I assume the included research and data specificity, to consider Taubes' reasoning.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 04, 2011, 01:00:17 PM
Was wondering if the August Derleth continuation of the Cthulhu Mythos was any good and where to start so any help would be greatly appreciated.

I don't think so personally.  I don't think many of the pastiches live up to HPL.

If you're looking for people working directly in the Cthulhu Mythos, I can't be too much help, but it you want that same weirdness, I got you covered.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 04, 2011, 03:12:42 PM
Thomas Ligotti is number one.
Laird Barron is number two.
Wilum H. Pugmire is number three.
Caitlin Kiernan is number four (but I would save her for last.  She gets extremely referential.  The more you know about the people below, the better you'll be before you wander into her works).

Check out the authors HPL mentions in Supernatural Horror in Literature (http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/essays/shil.asp)  (if you haven't read this, you absolutely should.  It's short and categorized into some nice easily digestible chapters.

My favorite of his "Modern Masters" is Arthur Machen.  Check out The White People (http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/whtpeopl.htm) and The Great God Pan (http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/389).  You can't go wrong with Algernon Blackwood.  The Willows (http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/11438) or The Wendigo (http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/10897) should be enough to get you started.  Though not Mythos related at all, you may like M.R. James's ghost stories.  He wrote many of the absolute best ghost stories and this (http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/8486) collects all but four of them, I believe.

Also,  Clark Ashton Smith, Robert E Howard's Weird /  Horror tales should do you well.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 04, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
i read a stupid amount of horror and most of what i enjoy is lovecraft and earlier, so i can make suggestions along these lines for quite a while.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 21, 2011, 10:35:36 AM
I bought a bunch of cheap paperbacks a few weeks ago, decided to start this one:

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/lt.jpg)

I want to read something weird, something a little different and by all accounts Lord Tyger fits the bill for that. Apparently it's a deconstruction of the Tarzan mythos with lots of sex thrown in. Only just read the first few pages, so I'll see how it goes from there.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2011, 10:52:29 AM
i lost count of all the phallic symbols on that cover
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 21, 2011, 11:28:00 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41rY9D7LzQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

One of my favorite Warhammer 40k novels to date. Its nice being able to read about Astartes Chapters that betrayed the Emperor without having to spend the whole book reading about the kinky weird shit the Blood God is into. Order the second book on Amazon- totally reading that after I finish Battle of the Fang
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 30, 2011, 01:56:57 PM
Ready Player One

sucked so hard, but I felt I "had" to for professional reasons

imagine Family Guy crossed with VH1's I Love the 80s, as narrated by a constantly winking Redditor about how we geeks know what he's talking about, right? wink wink

no fucking clue how they're going to turn it into a movie as 95% of the book is namedropping copyrighted works from the 80s. for example, the main character drives a Delorean with KITT installed, Ghostbuster decals on the side, and outfitted with Buckaroo Banzai's matter phasing Oscillation Overthruster. extrapolate that for 384 pages and you have yourself a book (or at least a screenplay deal)

Recommended for people who really like when other people know about the things you know about, too
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2011, 02:26:20 PM
The Party: The Secret World Of China's Communist Rulers
http://www.amazon.ca/Party-Secret-Chinas-Communist-Rulers/dp/0061708771
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 30, 2011, 02:36:57 PM
Low Town- sub Scott Lynch fantasy.  Oh god why am I reading this?  Why am I telling the internet that I'm reading it?

The last book I read, The Last Werewolf, is probably the absolute best thing I've read this year.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mupepe on August 30, 2011, 02:40:32 PM
I'm reading The Next 100 Years by George Friedman.  Interesting, but a lot of it sounds way too optimistic for the US
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 30, 2011, 03:31:06 PM
Recently finished
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41rY9D7LzQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Night Lords are the best Chaos Marines. I enjoyed this book and the book I am currently reading because they feature Chaos Marine chapters that don't actually embrace the warp like the followers of Abaddon do. It places them in this weird grey area- they recognize the stagnation within the emperium- and instead of choosing to continue to follow the Emperor- decide to just devote themselves to vengeance against whatever chapter pisses them off the most. This book also lets you view Abaddons war from the eyes of a chapter that doesnt entirely buy into it- allowing you to see how fragile the forces of chaos actually are in terms of manpower and resources. I also really enjoyed how the author went into describing the sad torment of being a Dreadnought and why theyre called on so rarely.

Currently reading
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OF-BabCgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Great stuff- this is one of the Space Marine Battles books, which usually boil down to shitloads of bad guys vs not shitloads of space marines. Helsreach is my favorite so far with The Purging of Kadillus being my least favorite.

Reading next
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PPEU1rwpL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Second and latest book in the night lord series- cant wait. I've also thought about looking into the Salamander series but i'll just wait that one out for an omnibus.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 30, 2011, 03:41:06 PM
I bought a bunch of cheap paperbacks a few weeks ago, decided to start this one:

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/lt.jpg)

I want to read something weird, something a little different and by all accounts Lord Tyger fits the bill for that. Apparently it's a deconstruction of the Tarzan mythos with lots of sex thrown in. Only just read the first few pages, so I'll see how it goes from there.

Been reading some more of this and it is quite weird. Lord Tyger is basically Tarzan if Tarzan had sex, like, ALL THE TIME.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 02, 2011, 04:48:51 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OF-BabCgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Finished this, and I really liked it- I think as far as Space Marine Battles books go its my new favorite, with Helsreach close behind. I think my favorite part of GOOD Warhammer 40k novels is that they dont go for the easy ending- or rather the ending that's easy on the characters in the book. I think that's part of the reason I wasn't huge on the first Sisters of Battle book- the ending was too clean and neat; I mean there was still the idea of sacrifice and sucking it up- but it just felt like the end of a hollywood production. Im hoping the second Sisters of Battle book out later this year is different. So this book gets two thumbs up, read Helsreach after that- avoid Purging of Kaladus. I haven't read any of the others yet.

Im on the fence if ill read the second Night Lords novel next, as planned, or read the new Grant Morrison book Supergods
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 03, 2011, 05:10:53 AM
Supergods is best read in short chunks, I think. It's very episodic in nature.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 03, 2011, 06:14:18 AM
this metal dude on the train kept looking at me on the way home yesterday.  turns out we were both reading supergods.  #touchingnerdmoment

I'm up to the silver age stuff.  It's interesting that his favorite hero is The Flash, but he's never done a Flash story, has he?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 03, 2011, 06:26:43 AM
He wrote the regular book for a while.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 03, 2011, 06:26:59 AM
(i.e. Wally West, Flash vol. 2)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 03, 2011, 06:52:37 AM
really?

TO THE INTERNETS!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 03, 2011, 06:55:05 AM
I'm also reading this adaptation of the first Modesty Blaise book by Patrick O'Donnell and Dick Giordano.  Great art, horrible adaptive writing.  Lots of explanations of what we're seeing plainly in the panel.  But the art and visual storytelling is just gorgeous.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 03, 2011, 09:22:21 AM
Anybody read the newer Dan Simmons books Black Hill or Flashback? Honestly both premises are uninteresting to me but I want to check them out because he always deliverys.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 03, 2011, 09:36:15 AM
ha ha.  yeah, flashback is glen beck porn.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/book-review-flashback-by-dan-simmons/2011/07/19/gIQA62F6lI_story.html

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Dan Simmons’s “Flashback” is an abundantly entertaining, often outrageous right-wing fantasy about a weak, broken United States 20-odd years from now. The country is ruled over by the Japanese, lives in fear of the Islamic Global Caliphate, and its citizens mostly spend their time stoned on a drug called flashback that lets them escape to a better past. Some of the events that have occurred between now and the early 2030s can be summed up thusly:

U.S. Goes Bankrupt

Israel Destroyed by Nuclear Attack

Mexican Army Invades California

Sharia Law Rules Europe, Canada

Giant Mosque Built at Ground Zero

U.S. Down to 44½ States

There’s more, but you get the idea. And if you haven’t guessed, the blame for almost all these disasters lies with the fellow who was elected president of the United States in 2008.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 03, 2011, 09:51:04 AM
Supergods is best read in short chunks, I think. It's very episodic in nature.

Thanks for the tip- maybe ill read it while reading something else then; chapter at a time.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 03, 2011, 11:12:58 AM
I think if I read that book, I would become your namesake.

Caliphate? Really? There is not enough smh.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2011, 02:57:48 PM
ha ha.  yeah, flashback is glen beck porn.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/book-review-flashback-by-dan-simmons/2011/07/19/gIQA62F6lI_story.html

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Dan Simmons’s “Flashback” is an abundantly entertaining, often outrageous right-wing fantasy about a weak, broken United States 20-odd years from now. The country is ruled over by the Japanese, lives in fear of the Islamic Global Caliphate, and its citizens mostly spend their time stoned on a drug called flashback that lets them escape to a better past. Some of the events that have occurred between now and the early 2030s can be summed up thusly:

U.S. Goes Bankrupt

Israel Destroyed by Nuclear Attack

Mexican Army Invades California

Sharia Law Rules Europe, Canada

Giant Mosque Built at Ground Zero

U.S. Down to 44½ States

There’s more, but you get the idea. And if you haven’t guessed, the blame for almost all these disasters lies with the fellow who was elected president of the United States in 2008.

Sounds like the best novel written since Michael Crichton's State of Fear. :bow2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 03, 2011, 04:26:06 PM
I think if I read that book, I would become your namesake.

Caliphate? Really? There is not enough smh.

me? who?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 03, 2011, 10:29:59 PM
I think if I read that book, I would become your namesake.

Caliphate? Really? There is not enough smh.

me? who?

I would become a "mister angry face" -- I think the idea of a caliphate is super unrealistic, and seeing it used for fear mongering is lame. I actually thought the Jesusland secession shown in Richard K. Morgan's THIRTEEN is a more realistic proposal.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 03, 2011, 10:32:06 PM
Im reading warhammer books...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 03, 2011, 10:34:38 PM
Yeah, I got that. I've been known to from time to time as well.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 03, 2011, 10:35:40 PM
what are we talking about then?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 03, 2011, 10:38:09 PM
This is what you get for being clever-clever Chrono
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 03, 2011, 10:46:13 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Yeah, I won't be trying that again, soon.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 07, 2011, 03:36:27 AM
I pretty much stopped reading lately, off period. Have at least 10 books just waiting on me.

Only thing I read a bit now is

(http://karenallart.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/the_hobbit.jpg)

which I'm rereading after 15(?) years just in time for the movie.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: muckhole on September 07, 2011, 07:28:41 AM
After grabbing it on a recommendation here, I've finally begun reading Tokyo Vice. I've just begun, but I enjoyed the setup/prologue, and I'm just getting through the little bits of how the author came to be working at the news agency. So far, so good!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2011, 08:40:38 AM
still reading supergods.  dude is going to make me buy all of The Invisibles again isn't he?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 07, 2011, 10:13:05 AM
After grabbing it on a recommendation here, I've finally begun reading Tokyo Vice. I've just begun, but I enjoyed the setup/prologue, and I'm just getting through the little bits of how the author came to be working at the news agency. So far, so good!

I met the author last year and he was kind of a dick. Very disappointing but you figure you have to be a bit of an oddball to want to do what he did in the first place.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 07, 2011, 10:15:33 AM
still reading supergods.  dude is going to make me buy all of The Invisibles again isn't he?

I'm not a huge comics expert but the book has been really entertaining and interesting so far
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 07, 2011, 11:34:45 AM
still reading supergods.  dude is going to make me buy all of The Invisibles again isn't he?

I'm not a huge comics expert but the book has been really entertaining and interesting so far

I'm up to the Hollywood chapter - been enjoying it. I am curious to check out Marshal Law - never heard of it before, but he seems to put it up there with Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns as one of the 80s books that changed the game. It seems like it might have been more of a UK thing.

Also gonna finally check out Ellis' Stormwatch run, based on his breathless description of it as a proto-Authority.

Morrison is MAD JELLY people loved Ellis' Authority more than his lame-ass Ultramarines
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Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2011, 11:51:36 AM
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Marshal Law - never heard of it before

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Ellis' Stormwatch run, based on his breathless description of it as a proto-Authority.

buh?

Never heard of Marshal Law?

Never read Stormwatch?

Stormwatch is the (ha ha) thoughtful Authority.  Authority is the "well fuck you guys! you want the pewpew up your doodoo? here it is"

edit: to be fair though, i didn't like Marshall Law when I first read it because I don't think I was in tune with its satire.  I just thought it was trying to push the excesses of the "dark and gritty" for its own sake.  but that was like 20 years ago or so...
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Post by: tiesto on September 07, 2011, 01:19:33 PM
(http://www.newnewjournalism.com/thumbnails/Routes.jpg)
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 07, 2011, 02:08:16 PM
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Marshal Law - never heard of it before

Quote
Ellis' Stormwatch run, based on his breathless description of it as a proto-Authority.

buh?

Never heard of Marshal Law?

Never read Stormwatch?

Stormwatch is the (ha ha) thoughtful Authority.  Authority is the "well fuck you guys! you want the pewpew up your doodoo? here it is"

edit: to be fair though, i didn't like Marshall Law when I first read it because I don't think I was in tune with its satire.  I just thought it was trying to push the excesses of the "dark and gritty" for its own sake.  but that was like 20 years ago or so...

Hey, I don't give you grief for never reading Kree-Skrull before, man!
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Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2011, 02:21:35 PM
i am just shocked that's all!


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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 07, 2011, 09:43:38 PM
Marshall Law was the first and only comics signing I've ever been to, with Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill. I was like 12 yrs old and terrified to be meeting these grown men who wrote such deeply perverse and transgressive material. It's great stuff but obviously a one-trick pony. Hate for capes writ large.
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Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 01:14:55 AM
(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1241903945l/77566.jpg)
(http://www.seanparnell.com/Hyperion%20Cantos/Hyperion%20Cantos%20Images/Fall%20of%20Hyperion%20Front%20Book%20Cover.gif)

genius
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Post by: Dickie Dee on September 08, 2011, 01:52:46 AM
ha ha.  yeah, flashback is glen beck porn.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/book-review-flashback-by-dan-simmons/2011/07/19/gIQA62F6lI_story.html

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Dan Simmons’s “Flashback” is an abundantly entertaining, often outrageous right-wing fantasy about a weak, broken United States 20-odd years from now. The country is ruled over by the Japanese, lives in fear of the Islamic Global Caliphate, and its citizens mostly spend their time stoned on a drug called flashback that lets them escape to a better past. Some of the events that have occurred between now and the early 2030s can be summed up thusly:

U.S. Goes Bankrupt

Israel Destroyed by Nuclear Attack

Mexican Army Invades California

Sharia Law Rules Europe, Canada

Giant Mosque Built at Ground Zero

U.S. Down to 44½ States

There’s more, but you get the idea. And if you haven’t guessed, the blame for almost all these disasters lies with the fellow who was elected president of the United States in 2008.

this is the most heartbreaking news I've ever heard, one of my favorite authors is Orson Scott card 2.0 :(
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Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2011, 06:28:51 AM

this is the most heartbreaking news I've ever heard, one of my favorite authors is Orson Scott card 2.0 :(

who just rewrote hamlet, btw.

http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2011summer/card.shtml

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Here's the punch line: Old King Hamlet was an inadequate king because he was gay, an evil person because he was gay, and, ultimately, a demonic and ghostly father of lies who convinces young Hamlet to exact imaginary revenge on innocent people. The old king was actually murdered by Horatio, in revenge for molesting him as a young boy—along with Laertes, and Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, thereby turning all of them gay. We learn that Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are now "as fusty and peculiar as an old married couple. I pity the woman who tries to wed her way into that house."
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Post by: muckhole on September 08, 2011, 06:51:14 AM
(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1241903945l/77566.jpg)
(http://www.seanparnell.com/Hyperion%20Cantos/Hyperion%20Cantos%20Images/Fall%20of%20Hyperion%20Front%20Book%20Cover.gif)

genius

I loved this series when I read it years back, recently found out that an attempt is being made to turn it into a trilogy of movies. My initial reaction was "You've got to be kidding", but I'll admit that there's a tiny part of me that wants to see how it will be handled, just out of sheer curiosity. It would be a hell of a challenge to turn this into any form of usuable script IMO, with so many characters.

Or maybe they'll just turn it into a shit horror flick and focus on the Shrike.  :'(
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Post by: chronovore on September 08, 2011, 10:47:33 AM
still reading supergods.  dude is going to make me buy all of The Invisibles again isn't he?

Wait, I assumed that was a given. It's a given, right?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2011, 10:51:27 AM
I will probably hold off on buying Invisibles again with the hope that they put them into the deluxe editions things like 100 Bullets, Preacher and the like are getting.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2011, 11:21:34 AM
I will probably hold off on buying Invisibles again with the hope that they put them into the deluxe editions things like 100 Bullets, Preacher and the like are getting.

Man,  I would rebuy Deluxe Invisibles faster than you can say "MDMA"
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Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 11:48:21 AM
(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1241903945l/77566.jpg)
(http://www.seanparnell.com/Hyperion%20Cantos/Hyperion%20Cantos%20Images/Fall%20of%20Hyperion%20Front%20Book%20Cover.gif)

genius

I loved this series when I read it years back, recently found out that an attempt is being made to turn it into a trilogy of movies. My initial reaction was "You've got to be kidding", but I'll admit that there's a tiny part of me that wants to see how it will be handled, just out of sheer curiosity. It would be a hell of a challenge to turn this into any form of usuable script IMO, with so many characters.

Or maybe they'll just turn it into a shit horror flick and focus on the Shrike.  :'(

yeah....i hear bradley cooper is the one who is writing the script so don't expect anything great haha.

i would watch a movie just of fehdman kassads story alone. all those battles :( or the priests tale.

if it were up to me i'd split it up into 4 movies for the first two books.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 08, 2011, 12:08:06 PM
I will probably hold off on buying Invisibles again with the hope that they put them into the deluxe editions things like 100 Bullets, Preacher and the like are getting.

Man,  I would rebuy Deluxe Invisibles faster than you can say "MDMA"

Yeah, it needs to be recolored for a start. I'm sure it will happen eventually though.

I started reading the Patrick Meaney book recently btw ('Our Sentence is Up'). I assume you have it?
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2011, 12:20:01 PM
I will probably hold off on buying Invisibles again with the hope that they put them into the deluxe editions things like 100 Bullets, Preacher and the like are getting.

Man,  I would rebuy Deluxe Invisibles faster than you can say "MDMA"

Yeah, it needs to be recolored for a start. I'm sure it will happen eventually though.

I started reading the Patrick Meaney book recently btw ('Our Sentence is Up'). I assume you have it?

yes, and the Disinformation Guide

I reread Invisibles about 2.5 years ago - then immediately shed 50 pounds in the next 4 months, got promoted at work, and met my fiancée. So I take Morrison's nonsense about creating a living sigil that reprograms readers a bit more seriously than might be warranted
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Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2011, 12:22:16 PM
now that you mention it, i re-read the invisibles, got fired from a job i hated and then moved to new york city where i got an awesome job that i love and have lived with my girlfriend for the past 2 years now.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 08, 2011, 12:28:34 PM
Well, I accepted the idea that literature can change how you view the world a loooooooong time ago, so he's just stating the case a little more dramatically and attempting a more rigorous framework than most, I think. If The Invisibles is a living sigil, then so is Das Kapital or Mein Kampf. Or even The Audacity of Hope!

Actually, just reading the letters pages would probably be enough to rearrange pliable minds if you were already sufficiently invested in Morrison's ideas or fiction already.
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Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2011, 01:24:43 PM
I'm reading Supergods and I can now dunk on Jordan.
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Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2011, 01:29:35 PM
Wait, what did reading Cerebus do to me?
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Post by: tiesto on September 08, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
ha ha.  yeah, flashback is glen beck porn.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/book-review-flashback-by-dan-simmons/2011/07/19/gIQA62F6lI_story.html

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Dan Simmons’s “Flashback” is an abundantly entertaining, often outrageous right-wing fantasy about a weak, broken United States 20-odd years from now. The country is ruled over by the Japanese, lives in fear of the Islamic Global Caliphate, and its citizens mostly spend their time stoned on a drug called flashback that lets them escape to a better past. Some of the events that have occurred between now and the early 2030s can be summed up thusly:

U.S. Goes Bankrupt

Israel Destroyed by Nuclear Attack

Mexican Army Invades California

Sharia Law Rules Europe, Canada

Giant Mosque Built at Ground Zero

U.S. Down to 44½ States

There’s more, but you get the idea. And if you haven’t guessed, the blame for almost all these disasters lies with the fellow who was elected president of the United States in 2008.

this is the most heartbreaking news I've ever heard, one of my favorite authors is Orson Scott card 2.0 :(

Wow, this book sounds right up my alley... If US was ruled by the Japanese does that mean we will actually get good Japanese games localized again?  :o
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2011, 01:36:05 PM
ha ha.  yeah, flashback is glen beck porn.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/book-review-flashback-by-dan-simmons/2011/07/19/gIQA62F6lI_story.html

Quote
Dan Simmons’s “Flashback” is an abundantly entertaining, often outrageous right-wing fantasy about a weak, broken United States 20-odd years from now. The country is ruled over by the Japanese, lives in fear of the Islamic Global Caliphate, and its citizens mostly spend their time stoned on a drug called flashback that lets them escape to a better past. Some of the events that have occurred between now and the early 2030s can be summed up thusly:

U.S. Goes Bankrupt

Israel Destroyed by Nuclear Attack

Mexican Army Invades California

Sharia Law Rules Europe, Canada

Giant Mosque Built at Ground Zero

U.S. Down to 44½ States

There’s more, but you get the idea. And if you haven’t guessed, the blame for almost all these disasters lies with the fellow who was elected president of the United States in 2008.

this is the most heartbreaking news I've ever heard, one of my favorite authors is Orson Scott card 2.0 :(

Wow, this book sounds right up my alley... If US was ruled by the Japanese does that mean we will actually get good Japanese games localized again?  :o

no, but the second-hand market in Mickey Mouse watches will go through-the-roof
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2011, 05:13:14 PM
I came across Ender's Game on my shelf the other day and flipped through it. The idea of Peter taking over the world by making REALLY GOOD message board posts seems pretty ridiculous today.

Whereas in 1985, it was extremely believable!
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Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 05:59:21 PM
I came across Ender's Game on my shelf the other day and flipped through it. The idea of Peter taking over the world by making REALLY GOOD message board posts seems pretty ridiculous today.

This is merely phase one my friend.
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Post by: Robo on September 08, 2011, 06:01:41 PM
Wow, this book sounds right up my alley... If US was ruled by the Japanese does that mean we will actually get good Japanese games localized again?  :o

no, but the second-hand market in Mickey Mouse watches will go through-the-roof

 :bow
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Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2011, 06:09:24 PM
are you kidding me?  nerds LOVE that shit.  it's ridiculous.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2011, 06:11:42 PM
'struth - despite all reality to the contrary, Ender's Game and Memory, Sorrow and Thorn both still have nerd cred
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Post by: Robo on September 08, 2011, 06:14:25 PM
Currently reading A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court during unpacking breaks.  It's all over the place, conceptually, but the humor is fantastic -- puerile, maybe, but I am adoring the skewering of Arthurian legend.
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Post by: chronovore on September 08, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Wait, what did reading Cerebus do to me?

BAM! You're a misogynist.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 08, 2011, 06:33:34 PM
I came across Ender's Game on my shelf the other day and flipped through it. The idea of Peter taking over the world by making REALLY GOOD message board posts seems pretty ridiculous today.

Whereas in 1985, it was extremely believable!

It helps to be 12 when you read it.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2011, 06:36:34 PM
Ender's Game was the shiznite back in grade school.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 10:18:44 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SSpcvxVjW_U/TkSY1iTcnLI/AAAAAAAAATk/OPuizkznbko/s1600/welcome_to_monkey_house.jpg)

best collection of short stories in the history of mankind.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: FatalT on September 09, 2011, 07:51:57 PM
I've been reading The Hunger Games even though it's a total rip of Battle Royale. Enjoying it though!
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 14, 2011, 04:53:44 PM
I've been reading through The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories.
A lot of these have been really good. Just now got to the title story so I'm pretty excited to read through it.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2011, 08:10:44 PM
On page 773 / 808 in Game of Thrones.  I am going TO THE MARKET, buying some food, then going TO THE HOME and finishing this book if it's the last thing I do!

I really like it, just at 10-30 pages every few days it's taken me 3 months to get to this point (I started it the week after the HBO show ended).  READY FOR CLASH OF KINGS.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2011, 10:32:57 PM
FOUR PAGES LEFT

going to heat the bbq and read them while it's getting to 500F so I can throw some POLLO ASADO on.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2011, 12:20:39 AM
FINISHED IT

That was goooooooooooooooooood

One of the top10 books I've read.  So many characters who all have depth!  and are interesting!  and seeing them all play into each other it's like a Matsuno game on an even bigger scale.  I looked at the world map after finishing it and reading the appendix and it's just like an rpg where we've only even seen part of the world!  So much left to find out about!!  Excitingggggggg


Going to finish up some short games I left hanging and then start Clash of Kings next week.  WOOHOOOO
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 15, 2011, 01:16:20 AM
yeah, but....the latest book is such a snorefest i abandoned it halfway through
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 01:44:08 AM
 ::)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 15, 2011, 01:58:56 AM
dude, I've got 300 other books on my Kindle that are more inviting. I'm not saying I'll never finish it but seriously, I just stopped caring about what was going on. It was all so piddling and trivial.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on September 15, 2011, 02:02:36 AM
dude, I've got 300 other books on my Kindle that are more inviting. I'm not saying I'll never finish it but seriously, I just stopped caring about what was going on. It was all so piddling and trivial.

and long

I haven't read the fifth book yet, but I can imagine feeling like you do. I hated sludging through much of the middle of AFFC, but the ending redeemed it for me. I think I care about endings too much, sometimes.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 15, 2011, 02:35:00 AM
I love long books if they are holding my attention. That's not an issue for me at all, usually. It's not like reading Proust! It's just that nothing important or interesting has happened for like the past 200 pages so I just put it down and haven't picked it back up. No-one is talking about the amazing ending or anything so I have very little will to continue right now. Still, god knows I have plenty of time to finish it before the next one.

And PD? I've got this fucking far with the series. The first 3 books I liked enough to read twice. I'm not trolling for the sake of it. I wanted to like the thing!
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 03:09:17 AM
Yea there's plenty of time to finish it. I'm just SMH'ing at some of the criticism the book has received. It's not the sequel to ASOS people expected, and is more like a sequel to AFFC. But it's still a great book with a host of great scenes. And the ending made a lot of fanboys and girls cry, which is a plus.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 15, 2011, 03:12:26 AM
They gotta be backloaded then 'cause in the first 500 pages only one memorable thing has happened.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 03:15:52 AM
Oh well. Luckily Martin is finished with what turned out to be a very challenging portion of the series, with him completely scrapping the 5 year gap, plus splitting a book into two. I don't believe it'll be smooth sailing from here, but at least the timelines are even again and we can kinda see where this last phase is going.
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Post by: Barry Egan on September 15, 2011, 04:05:38 AM
(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1179623551l/937646.jpg)

Although it should really be called Horace Walpole: Birth of the Modern Troll.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2011, 04:10:56 AM
I really have no urge to read ASOIAF at this point.  I thought about getting back in, with the new book and the HBO series.  But then I realized how little of the earlier books I remembered, so I would have had to start from scratch to get caught up.  In light of 1) the bad reviews from people I trust, 2) boredom with A Feast For Crows, and 3) my complete and utter lack of faith that Martin's gonna bring this home with a bang, that was never going to happen.


Is there a big, fat fantasy series anyone would recommend which is either already finished or clearly headed towards an actual end?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 15, 2011, 04:38:53 AM
I could say it but PD would explode
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 15, 2011, 08:53:13 AM
The Ghost Brigades by John Scalzi, the heir to the RAH throne, apparently. Great book; he gets RAH's glib tone just right, reading is breezy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2011, 09:34:49 AM
Is there a big, fat fantasy series anyone would recommend which is either already finished or clearly headed towards an actual end?

Wheel of Time

They don't come any bigger.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 11:17:47 AM
I could say it but PD would explode

Well yea, if you prefer a vapid series where heroes can kill thousands of enemies with the snap of their finger!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 15, 2011, 11:19:12 AM
I'm still reading mostly comic books.  My touchpad has killed my "real book" reading.

I mean someone just upped amazing quality scans of all of Cerebus, so I have to re-read it to at least Church and State.

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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
Yeah ever since I found out I could follow comics on my iPad2 its been crazy. That said- I actually kind of like the new spider-man; NO MORE WHINING ABOUT DAT UNCLE
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cheebo on September 15, 2011, 11:24:34 AM
I could say it but PD would explode

Well yea, if you prefer a vapid series where heroes can kill thousands of enemies with the snap of their finger!
PD I am curious what massive fantasy book series' out there have you read other than ASOIAF, Middle-earth, and Harry Potter? I haven't seen you jump aboard any of the others out there to my knowledge.


Oh and I see both Wheel of Time and Malazan mentioned. Are any of those two clearly better than the other? I have been on the fence about getting into one of those.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 11:33:50 AM
I could say it but PD would explode

Well yea, if you prefer a vapid series where heroes can kill thousands of enemies with the snap of their finger!
PD I am curious what massive fantasy book series' out there have you read other than ASOIAF, Middle-earth, and Harry Potter? I haven't seen you jump aboard any of the others out there to my knowledge.


Oh and I see both Wheel of Time and Malazan mentioned. Are any of those two clearly better than the other? I have been on the fence about getting into one of those.

I started Wheel of Time, but haven't finished; first two books are aite. Read the first two books in the First Law trilogy which rocks. I've read the Lyonesse trilogy, American Gods (does that count?), some of the Conan stuff, and some older shit.

Malazan :piss2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 11:34:51 AM
Goddamnit youre a fucking moron sometimes, PD
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 11:38:34 AM
waahht? Everything I've heard about Malazan from people I trust suggests it's meh...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 11:41:19 AM
Malazan destroys the garbled uncomfortable sexual fantasies of and shitty ass characters of GRR
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cheebo on September 15, 2011, 11:42:45 AM
Wait. You trashed it but never read any of it?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 11:44:03 AM
Deadhouse Gates is required reading imo- so awesome
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 11:58:18 AM
Yea they say that rocks, but Gardens of the Moon doesn't apparently. And it can't be skipped : /
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 12:00:35 PM
Gardens of the Moon is the worst, but its still easily better than all of ASOIAF- god I hate GRR and his bullshit books- a few good characters the series doesnt even deserve and OMG LETS ALL SUK SOME GRR DIK
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 15, 2011, 12:01:54 PM
It's true.  I read 300 pages of Gardens, but only 100 of Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 15, 2011, 12:13:14 PM
It's true.  I read 300 pages of Gardens, but only 100 of Game of Thrones.

3x as good!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 15, 2011, 03:09:30 PM
Gardens is pretty mediocre.  The next two books are fuck awesome though.

The first half of ADWD was really boring.  The last half is awesome though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 03:13:07 PM
Its not hard to obliterate wheel of time
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 21, 2011, 11:49:33 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Stalker-Night-Lords-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849701490/ref=reg_hu-rd_dp_img

So far away :( - This is easily one of my favorite Warhammer 40k series- I hope it continues beyond the standard once off trilogy
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Post by: Eric P on September 21, 2011, 11:55:35 AM
(http://publishingperspectives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Busy-Monsters.jpg)

this is twee as fuck so far.  i may not even last 100 pages.
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Post by: Beezy on September 21, 2011, 12:19:59 PM
I've been reading Good Calories Bad Calories thanks to Cormac. :piss Ancel Keys :piss2
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Post by: Eric P on September 21, 2011, 12:37:53 PM
ha ha.  that was my reaction as well.

fuck that guy!
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Post by: Himu on September 21, 2011, 04:17:03 PM
Any book suggestions?

I just recently finished up Why Evolution is True and a bunch of shit on Chinese history. I need something...different.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2011, 04:18:01 PM
LOTR
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Post by: Himu on September 21, 2011, 04:18:42 PM
They're sitting 5 feet away from me. No.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
Use Of Weapons
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 21, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
Use Of Weapons

seconded.  Or Player of Games.
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Post by: Himu on September 21, 2011, 08:10:34 PM
Aight, my library haul for this week: Les Miserables, She, Catch-22, and The Sun Also Rises. Catch-22 and The Sun Also Rises are amazing. I haven't read the other two before, though.

My library sucks. I tried to find a good book on photography because I could use some tips, and they didn't have shit.
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Post by: chronovore on September 21, 2011, 10:06:13 PM
Use Of Weapons

seconded.  Or Player of Games.

Player of Games. Very good.

I'm reading the first Obernewtyn book, thanks to someone here's recommendation. About halfway in, it's beginning to get a little more interesting, and less bleak.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2011, 10:15:38 PM
Use Of Weapons

seconded.  Or Player of Games.

Player of Games. Very good.

I'm reading the first Obernewtyn book, thanks to someone here's recommendation. About halfway in, it's beginning to get a little more interesting, and less bleak.

That was probably my recommendation, I don't think anyone else here has read them. I'm up to the fourth book, but haven't started it yet.
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Post by: Himu on September 21, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
Use Of Weapons

Thanks for this. My library didn't have this though.

I need a kindle so I can pirate books.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2011, 12:03:13 AM
Why don't you go buy a book from Borders. Use of Weapons, $10. Thank me later, allah willing
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Post by: Himu on September 22, 2011, 12:14:49 AM
Yeah, dude. :(
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2011, 12:16:54 AM
to be fair, Himu does have a personal library of manga and hentai
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Post by: Himu on September 22, 2011, 12:20:20 AM
:lol
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Post by: Himu on September 22, 2011, 12:22:34 AM
Who has a goodreads account?
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Post by: Eric P on September 22, 2011, 06:11:28 AM
(http://publishingperspectives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Busy-Monsters.jpg)

this is twee as fuck so far.  i may not even last 100 pages.
I read a review and they compared it to Pahlaniuk.  Ewwww.

I don't see that at all.   I think i've gotten use to the voice in this book because it's no longer annoying the living fuck out of me.  I'm on page 60 or so.
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Post by: chronovore on September 22, 2011, 06:35:33 AM
(snip snip like a vasectomy)

I'm reading the first Obernewtyn book, thanks to someone here's recommendation. About halfway in, it's beginning to get a little more interesting, and less bleak.

That was probably my recommendation, I don't think anyone else here has read them. I'm up to the fourth book, but haven't started it yet.

Ah, thanks. Yeah, I'm not overwhelmed, but it's pretty good. I set it aside twice so far. This time I'm pretty sure I'll make it to the end. I like the anti-religion angle, and I'm always down for a good post-holocaust tale. So strange that it's YA targeted.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 24, 2011, 04:48:26 PM
about 90 pgs away from finishing Blood Reaver- Aaron Dembski-Bowden is officially my second favorite 40k author. What an amazing couple o books.
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Post by: Himu on September 24, 2011, 05:03:31 PM
Should I just get a kindle or get an ipad and use the kindle app or both
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 24, 2011, 05:23:40 PM
ipad 2 has auto brightness using the frontfacing camera- so it doesnt have the issues with keeping folks up at night when reading before bed, however if you want to read outside the glare is obnoxious. Kindles and Nooks are so cheap tho, and you can read them anywhere.
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Post by: Narag on September 24, 2011, 05:25:47 PM
about 90 pgs away from finishing Blood Reaver- Aaron Dembski-Bowden is officially my second favorite 40k author. What an amazing couple o books.


Who is your favorite? Going to guess Abnett.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 24, 2011, 05:57:53 PM
totally, Abnett rules. His non 40k stuff is apparently not that good tho, a friend of mine read Triumff and didnt like it. The books that got me into 40k books were the Grey Knights books authored by Ben Counter- also great stuff imo.
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Post by: Narag on September 24, 2011, 08:03:07 PM
totally, Abnett rules. His non 40k stuff is apparently not that good tho, a friend of mine read Triumff and didnt like it. The books that got me into 40k books were the Grey Knights books authored by Ben Counter- also great stuff imo.

I read half of Embedded before I ended up distracted by other stuff. It was pretty good. I should finish it soon.  I've heard great things about the Grey Knights stuff too.
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Post by: Eric P on September 24, 2011, 08:10:05 PM
(http://publishingperspectives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Busy-Monsters.jpg)

this is twee as fuck so far.  i may not even last 100 pages.
I read a review and they compared it to Pahlaniuk.  Ewwww.

I don't see that at all.   I think i've gotten use to the voice in this book because it's no longer annoying the living fuck out of me.  I'm on page 60 or so.

This severely improves in the second chapter.  This book, while not amazing, is quite good so far.  A guy tries to win back the love of his weird life by finding a cryptozological creature to compete with her recovering a giant squid.
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Post by: chronovore on September 24, 2011, 10:18:01 PM
That sounds pretty good.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 01:19:05 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51tccYo6VVL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Finished this today. Its mostly already released stuff in a collection, but I saw a few I didnt recognize in there. It's 11 dollars on amazon, hardcover- good quality paper/print. Good to support the strugglan artists n such rite?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2011, 01:27:29 AM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/51NH3DDAQAL__SS500_.jpg)

Started on it this week, haven't gotten very far yet.
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Post by: Eric P on September 28, 2011, 05:55:36 AM
I finished Busy Monsters last night.  The ending was ehhhhhh.  It needed another chapter as it tried to fit too much into the finish.

Started Those Across the River when a man (out of work) and his newly won wife (barely employed) during the depression moves into a house left to him by his aunt.  But he's supposed to sell it, not live there.  In fact is warned against living there by his aunt, but he has few options and is determined to make it work.
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Post by: Groogrux on September 30, 2011, 12:10:37 PM
Just started reading A Clash of Kings last week.  Pretty good so far.
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Post by: nice cat but chicken on October 01, 2011, 01:32:15 AM
clash of kings was great! storm of swords even more so. i read the first three of these in about a week each but i've been 250 pages into a feast for crows for like the last month. just can't get into it  :(
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 03, 2011, 02:15:41 AM
I finished reading The Magicians and The Magician King. I really loved the first one, more so with distance. It's both a harsh criticism of and love letter to fantasy (especially Potter and Narnia), and actually goes somewhere surprising by the end.  The sequel was better in a lot of ways, but it felt like it had all the jagged edges of the first smoothed off (mostly for the better, but it made it less affecting)
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Post by: Eric P on October 03, 2011, 07:17:08 AM
(http://iweb.cooking.com/images/products/enlarge/358027e.jpg)

the government's exasperation at why we have a nation of fatties is becoming funnier and funnier at this point.

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 03, 2011, 07:27:05 AM
People just eat and drink too fucking much.

Do we really need 500 books about that each year?
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Post by: chronovore on October 03, 2011, 09:22:28 AM
Stross and Doctorow's Jury Service and Appeals Court were both on Feedbooks, so I'm reading those on Stanza.app right now. The former was a commissioned piece for Scifi channel's website, back when they had a focus on, you know, sci-fi.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 03, 2011, 10:06:01 AM
People just eat and drink too fucking much.

Do we really need 500 books about that each year?

I don't, but it seems you do
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 03, 2011, 10:32:55 AM
Taking a break from Warhammer 40k just so I don't look crazy. Reading through the Malazan books again. Only ever got to book six I think. Now that the series is essentially finished, ill also finish it up.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 03, 2011, 10:38:23 AM
I think for most people a diet that exercises moderation in all variety of food is fine. Not to discredit proven alternative diets but for some food is more than a means to and end, and people should be permitted to follow that approach responsibly, and without ridicule.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 03, 2011, 07:17:14 PM
There's nothing responsible about eating or preaching a diet that causes illness on the scale that the current Western diet does (which goes far beyond obesity). Like with cigarette smoking, if I see someone smoking in public, I'm not going to give them shit about it. But if the topic of smoking comes up on a message board, I'm gonna give my opinion on it because folks have a right to know, and their government sure is doing a shitty job of telling them.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2011, 10:46:14 PM
I've decided to devote all my reading time to works of esoterica, pseudoscience, revisionist history, and lunatic fringe conspiracies. It's the only thing that makes sense any more.

(http://www.harpercollins.com/harperimages/isbn/large/6/9780380393626.jpg)
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Post by: chronovore on October 08, 2011, 10:45:12 AM
Atrocity Archives: Laundry vol.1; was reading on Stanza, remembered I have a dead tree version, and am enjoying the non-glossy, proper-formattedness of it.
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Post by: Barry Egan on October 08, 2011, 12:23:29 PM
(http://www.toshen.com/images/bks/bks-opwanderingsoul2.gif)

So far it's JG Ballard's Crash set in a Children's Hospital...and I mean that in a very, very good way!
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 11, 2011, 09:53:36 PM
just fucking eat normal- if you die you die. wtffff other shit goin down!

OTHER THAN THAT-

taking a break from WARRRRHAMMER 40k and re-reading the Malazan series.
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Post by: Groogrux on October 16, 2011, 12:23:51 AM
Just started reading A Clash of Kings last week.  Pretty good so far.
Finished it.  Now moving on to A Storm of Swords
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2011, 12:59:40 AM
You won't be disappointed
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 16, 2011, 07:01:35 AM
Richard Powers is one of those authors that I have to just concede defeat on. He's a brilliant individual and the ideas flow off the page. I just can't fight my way through it to save my life though.
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Post by: Eric P on October 16, 2011, 09:00:46 AM
just started Death in the City of Light, which is a non-fiction book about a serial killer in nazi occupied france.

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 16, 2011, 02:19:55 PM
Richard Powers is one of those authors that I have to just concede defeat on. He's a brilliant individual and the ideas flow off the page. I just can't fight my way through it to save my life though.

Same .... I've managed to finish 1 of the 4 books of his I've tried...
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Post by: Diunx on October 16, 2011, 02:31:46 PM
Finished The Name of the Wind, really enjoyed it gonna star The Wise Man's Fear tomorrow :hyper
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Post by: fomalhaut on October 18, 2011, 04:14:11 PM
I just finished Canticle for Leibowitz and i have to say this is some of the finer literature i've read in a long, long time.  And I just got off Last Temptation of Christ before that, too.   It's post apocalyptic fiction but basically don't think of any of the tropes of the genre, it's a really smart and inquisitive novel that tells the story from a Mad Max level, to a new renaissance, to an advanced civilization.  It focuses on the Leibowitz chapter of Monks in the Southwest, who preserve any and all science and knowledge of the old world, painstakingly copying each copy they find for preservation.  It's a great POV because most of the politicking takes place out of the scene, and what does happen is quite grounded.  I'll be revisiting this novel again, no doubt about it.


I'm now in Princess of Mars, it's pretty shallow pulp at best, and feels just absolutely dumb compared to Canticle, but it's pretty damn fun adventure i simply cannot deny that.  If it was good enough to be a striking influence on Sagan, it's good enough for me.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 18, 2011, 04:36:59 PM
Im in AZ for a few days, not sure what i'll read on the plane- probably should be a real book so they dont ask me to turn off my book.
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Post by: fomalhaut on October 18, 2011, 04:42:09 PM
what're you up to in AZ? I've spent the vast majority of my life both in the desert and up north.

if its just reading to take your mind off being bored, I guess what i'm reading; Princess of Mars is pretty adequate.  It aint deep, just fun pulp that i'd say is ideal for sitting on a plane bored material.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 18, 2011, 05:08:35 PM
THE IDEA OF TURNING OFF A BOOK PISSES ME OFF- but I spose ill just Nook it- need to finish re-reading deadhouse gates anyway; been all distracted with other crap lately
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 18, 2011, 05:09:22 PM
what're you up to in AZ? I've spent the vast majority of my life both in the desert and up north.

if its just reading to take your mind off being bored, I guess what i'm reading; Princess of Mars is pretty adequate.  It aint deep, just fun pulp that i'd say is ideal for sitting on a plane bored material.

Visiting family for a few days. I was born in AZ, lived there three different times so I have a lot of 'history' down there too.
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Post by: fomalhaut on October 18, 2011, 05:11:53 PM
oh no shit? I'm from Glendale and Goodyear and was living in Flagstaff.  In Europe now though, thanks be to Malacath.   Once I get my degree i'm hightailing right the fuck out of there though, not a fan of Arizona at all.  If I was forced i'd stay in Flag, though.

you ever go to Bookmans? one of the better features of AZ, it's where i bought all my books and media before i got a nook and stopped playing videogames
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 18, 2011, 05:23:56 PM
Business: Well an ex-girlfriend yeah but hopefully I wont run into her.

Fomal: Born in Tucson, also lived in Mesa twice. I may have been to Bookmans, the name sounds familiar, but its been so long I can't remember for sure. Not a huge fan of AZ- once I had a taste of Western Washington I never looked back.
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Post by: fomalhaut on October 18, 2011, 05:52:40 PM
Bookmans is actually native to Tuscon, it's its home but not in spirit, Flagstaff is more the community for "all that liberal crap" as my family likes to call it.   :P  Probably the best used bookstore i've ever been to, check out Tuscons when you are there. 

Yeah, AZ sucks.  Luckily you're going there in the best time of the year!
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2011, 05:59:21 PM
I went to the Bookman's in Flagstaff once, it was pretty awesome.
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Post by: chronovore on October 18, 2011, 06:55:07 PM
So, probably anyone who needs to know this already found out, but just in case:

iOS 5 kills Stanza.

My favorite reader doesn't work on the new version of the OS, and a brief spate of research shows that it's unlikely to get additional attention anymore, because the last of its devs have left Amazon. And Amazon is probably just a little invested in the Kindle family of solutions.

Apparently, this had been a problem since July 2010, where it was receiving no further support, but iOS 5 killed it outright.

In related news, I'm an idiot. The illicit collection of books from drinkmalk.com, most of which were in my dead tree library, were deleted when I tried to uninstall and reinstall the app to my iPod, because I didn't realize it would kill the books from my backup on the Mac. 
:lol
... 
:-\
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 19, 2011, 02:17:58 AM
(http://iweb.cooking.com/images/products/enlarge/358027e.jpg)

the government's exasperation at why we have a nation of fatties is becoming funnier and funnier at this point.


Great review/counterpoint here:
http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/wheat-belly-toll-of-hubris-on-human.html

I haven't read the book, but this and a few other things lead me to believe he's focusing on wheat to the point of monomania, leading to some really wacky conclusions. Although the general thrust that 'we should be eating far less of it / we do great without ANY of it' seems perfectly solid based on my other reading and own experiences...
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Post by: fomalhaut on October 19, 2011, 02:54:15 AM
I went to the Bookman's in Flagstaff once, it was pretty awesome.

i can thank a better part of my education for it;  did you know it collapsed in on itself last year? it was recently rebuilt: version 2.0, lol.


to stay more on topic i finished A Princess of Mars.  in the end i was pretty excited by cool stuff that happened, then it ended, and it no more stayed in my brain than my memories of staring at white walls. 

my deal is alternating between relatively 'heavy' or good literature and light stuff, so i'm thinking of tackling Jenseits Gut und Böse (Beyond Good and Evil) or Thus Sprach Zarathrustra  in German, and if I can't brute through it, i'll go to my English version.  never read Nietschze nor one word of Nihilist philosophy, so this'll be fun.  Beyond Good and Evil was the last book a friend of mine read before he took his own life, so it'll be an even more introspective type of read more so than this type of reading usually permits.
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Post by: Eric P on October 19, 2011, 08:21:52 AM
(http://iweb.cooking.com/images/products/enlarge/358027e.jpg)

the government's exasperation at why we have a nation of fatties is becoming funnier and funnier at this point.


Great review/counterpoint here:
http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/wheat-belly-toll-of-hubris-on-human.html

I haven't read the book, but this and a few other things lead me to believe he's focusing on wheat to the point of monomania, leading to some really wacky conclusions. Although the general thrust that 'we should be eating far less of it / we do great without ANY of it' seems perfectly solid based on my other reading and own experiences...

yeah, and Love Hunt Eat also did a takedown as well.
by the end of the book, i was skeptical about a lot of his thoughts, but I was already firmly in the "no more grain" camp.

http://huntgatherlove.com/content/wheat-belly

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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 19, 2011, 08:23:36 AM
Skepticism is smart with this stuff. It's the price you pay for being on the bleeding edge!
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Post by: Bebpo on November 06, 2011, 11:45:50 PM
Finished reading Clash of Kings. 

MAJOR SPOILERS for book #2 of Song of Ice & Fire

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Man, what a depressing book.  It's like 1000 pages of non-stop bad shit happening to everyone.  Reminds me of some manga out there where the author is evil and every chapter is just the worst possible outcomes happening to the good characters over and over.  I SURE HOPE BOOK 3-5 HAS SOME "YAY POSITIVE SHIT!!" MOMENTS.

Pacing-wise I thought the book was solid for the first half, moving things along and building up the badass that is Stannis.  Then when Stannis lands at Storms End out of nowhere the book goes to the OMG WTF 10/10 level and continues, climaxing at Renly's death out of nowhere scene.  Then the book kind of loses momentum and is just a lot of ho-hum here is how battles are raging/lands changing hands.  Then the final Stannis battle on King's Landing is kind of cool, but it's a bit drawn out (like 100 pages!) and I thought the conclusion of the battle with you just HEARING that Tywin shows up and takes out Stannis' army that's been built up the entire story was really unsatisfying.  Wanted to see Stannis kick some ass and we never even see his army fight as their sitting waiting for boats to ferry them over.  Then the final epilogue stuff is solid again and moving things into position for book 3.

Was good, but I thought the Stannis/Renly stuff was the best parts of the book, so it kind of peaked in the middle.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2011, 11:57:47 PM
I need to start reading 1Q84. Jay Rubin is giving a talk at one of our local bookstores later this week. Should be fun.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2011, 01:03:04 AM
'Pretty good'? *splutter*
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2011, 03:03:17 AM
English speakers use strange English all the time. Examples please!

I dunno, I've dedicated a fair portion of my life to learning Japanese and translation, and I think those two are pretty much the gold standard. There are always going to be awkward bits or different choices that you might find more appealing with languages as disparate as Japanese and English...but 'pretty good'? Show me a better-translated J->E modern literary novel.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2011, 03:22:20 AM
Here's the thing - I think Murakami actually IMPROVES in translation. His style in Japanese is so flat that it is just incredibly dull to read. This is of course partly for effect, but I really don't think he'd have achieved the same level of success outside Japan without being paired with some very gifted translators.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2011, 04:18:24 AM
Can't argue with that.

My wife (whose copy of Norwegian Wood I borrowed) tells me that it was the first time she remembers seeing regular modern conversational Japanese captured well on paper, which was seemingly quite a shock relative to the rather arch and formal literary style that had prevailed prior to that point (i.e. forms like 'wagahai' etc that are never used in normal speech). So that is part of the appeal - it is prosaic but novel, at the time. To western readers who read anything from say Hemingway on, it's nothing new at all...
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 07, 2011, 12:18:19 PM
Finished Lucky Wander Boy (http://www.luckywanderboy.com/) last night. It's Ready Player One if it was good instead of bad, written by a po-pomo Tim Rogers with a brutal editor.

It cuts to the truth of gaming geekdom - that it is a solitary, self-destructive hobby we endure for its rare moments of meaning and transcendent wonder - moments we can never share, or even fully explain, to anyone else. A life dedicated to videogames is monastic and self-flagellating, not some kumbaya shared cultural moment where we all hold hands around our Dukes of Hazzard lunch boxes.
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Post by: Eric P on November 07, 2011, 12:28:26 PM
(http://www.sci-fi-o-rama.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/the_midwich_cuckoos.jpg)

Did you like The Kraken Wakes?  Then you'll love this as it is basically the same characters with the same relationships in a different plot / world.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 07, 2011, 03:30:35 PM
Finished Lucky Wander Boy (http://www.luckywanderboy.com/) last night. It's Ready Player One if it was good instead of bad, written by a po-pomo Tim Rogers with a brutal editor.

It cuts to the truth of gaming geekdom - that it is a solitary, self-destructive hobby we endure for its rare moments of meaning and transcendent wonder - moments we can never share, or even fully explain, to anyone else. A life dedicated to videogames is monastic and self-flagellating, not some kumbaya shared cultural moment where we all hold hands around our Dukes of Hazzard lunch boxes.

Like getting a super-rare drop in Diablo?
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Post by: Inspector Thatcher on November 07, 2011, 09:34:32 PM
The Unbearable Lightness of Being, by Milan Kundera.

First impressions: Not since my undergrad have I had to read books with ten dollar words next to each other...and used properly.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 07, 2011, 11:31:38 PM
The Left Hand of Darkness, by Ursula le Guin
and
Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach by Stuart Russell & Peter Norvig
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2011, 12:04:28 AM
Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach by Stuart Russell & Peter Norvig

Are you taking the online class?
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2011, 12:32:35 AM
Finished Lucky Wander Boy (http://www.luckywanderboy.com/) last night. It's Ready Player One if it was good instead of bad, written by a po-pomo Tim Rogers with a brutal editor.

It cuts to the truth of gaming geekdom - that it is a solitary, self-destructive hobby we endure for its rare moments of meaning and transcendent wonder - moments we can never share, or even fully explain, to anyone else. A life dedicated to videogames is monastic and self-flagellating, not some kumbaya shared cultural moment where we all hold hands around our Dukes of Hazzard lunch boxes.

Like getting a super-rare drop in Diablo?

Yes! :drool

But try explaining that to someone who doesn't game...
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 08, 2011, 12:34:02 AM
Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach by Stuart Russell & Peter Norvig

Are you taking the online class?

Yes, and the machine learning class - in fact I'm just doing homework in another browser window right now. but I have fallen behind while busy with other stuff =(
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2011, 10:23:47 AM
How is the ML class?
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Post by: Groogrux on November 10, 2011, 08:09:57 AM
Finished a Storm of Swords.  Now on to A Feast for Crows.
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Post by: tiesto on November 10, 2011, 07:43:54 PM
(http://www.thegamecreators.com/images/newsletter/issue68/dung_desk.jpg)

history of western RPGs, I'm still in the early Ultima era... not very well-written but shines light on a lot of obscure classic games. Great supplement to http://crpgaddict.blogspot.com (http://crpgaddict.blogspot.com)
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Post by: Eric P on November 11, 2011, 09:50:06 AM
(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm117402078/prague-cemetery-umberto-eco-hardcover-cover-art.jpg)
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Post by: muckhole on November 11, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
Finally started A Dance with Dragons....I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm going to need to go look online for some summaries from the last few books to refresh my memory.
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Post by: Narag on November 11, 2011, 06:24:05 PM
Currently reading A Dance With Dragons.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
Will be interested to get your thoughts. I plan on re-reading it as soon as my brother gets done with my copy. What did you guys think of AFFC?
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Post by: Narag on November 12, 2011, 12:55:58 AM
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I really enjoyed AFFC. As I said in the other thread, I was initially put off by how it centered more around King's Landing but Jaime has grown to be one of my favorite characters and Cersei seeing Tyrion in every corner accompanied by no Tyrion chapters gave him an eerie ethereal quality
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I've run into the weird editing/pacing issues you warned about in ADWD as well.

Also these new options frighten me.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2011, 02:12:27 AM
I thought it was great, but it's definitely similar to AFFC in ways that will turn some people off. Still it has some truly amazing moments, and perhaps my favorite scene from the series since the third book
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Post by: Narag on November 15, 2011, 06:32:30 AM
Wrapped up ADWD.
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Overall I liked it but the book felt rough at times and the quality of the writing a step down from AFFC although I'm no great judge of such things.  Pacing felt off at times and I think I read somewhere (probably GAF) that GRRM's past as a television writer was something that still shone through in these books.  Something like the slavers taking the boat Jorah & Tyrion were on only to see them next at a slave auction had me thinking one could have just slapped a commercial between those events and called it a day.

There was a lot of repeated phrasing going on and with Theon, Jaime, Jon, and Tyrion I could understand it but Dany's big floppy rabbit ears just rubbed me the wrong way for whatever reason.  Another little touch I greatly enjoyed was the naming of Theon's chapters. Pretty sure I said "Oh shit" to myself when the name finally returned to Theon.  The epilogue was strangely satisfying as well given I had spent part of my afternoon complaining about the lack of Varys in the last two books too.

In conclusion, I'm no good at reviewing books.
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Post by: Narag on November 15, 2011, 07:57:32 AM
As for me, I'm taking a break from Infinite Jest to read Hyperion by Dan Simmons. I have to say that I absolutely adore the opening paragraph. Also, this Shrike sounds like a scary piece of work.

You're in for a treat. I'd recommend Fall of Hyperion immediately after if you enjoy the first.
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Post by: Eric P on November 15, 2011, 09:51:11 AM
Prague Cemetery is really interesting.  I'm loving the melding of fact and fiction. 
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2011, 02:05:28 PM
Prague Cemetery is really interesting.  I'm loving the melding of fact and fiction. 

How does it compare to Foucault's Pendulum? I loved that book.
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Post by: Eric P on November 15, 2011, 02:23:37 PM
not as good, but i'm only about a quarter of the way in right now.

it's about on par with baudolino
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Post by: Momo on November 15, 2011, 04:38:43 PM
Dune.

Series of forever (until the bastard son steps in)
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Post by: tiesto on November 15, 2011, 10:59:46 PM
Finished Lucky Wander Boy (http://www.luckywanderboy.com/) last night. It's Ready Player One if it was good instead of bad, written by a po-pomo Tim Rogers with a brutal editor.

It cuts to the truth of gaming geekdom - that it is a solitary, self-destructive hobby we endure for its rare moments of meaning and transcendent wonder - moments we can never share, or even fully explain, to anyone else. A life dedicated to videogames is monastic and self-flagellating, not some kumbaya shared cultural moment where we all hold hands around our Dukes of Hazzard lunch boxes.

Like getting a super-rare drop in Diablo?

Yes! :drool

But try explaining that to someone who doesn't game...

I got this book a while ago, instantly hooked me with the guy living in Poland and describing his hot (but emotionally distant) gf... loved the whole description of the actual "Lucky Wander Boy" game (reminded me of the urban legend of Polybius) and the Tim Rogers-esque writeup of classic arcade games, but at times it just got too overly postmodern and self-referential for my tastes. Still, a decent book concerning games, I wonder what some of my retro gaming lovers would think when they read it. And yeah I think I was actually originally pointed to this book by IC/Selectbutton people speaking of Rogers.
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Post by: fomalhaut on November 16, 2011, 06:39:01 AM
Harry Potter Der Stein der Weisen
yay

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Post by: Groogrux on November 16, 2011, 10:13:56 PM
I've been having trouble getting motivated to read AFFC here lately.  I can't tell if I got burnt out on reading so much so fast, or if I really just didn't like the opening.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 17, 2011, 08:24:40 AM
Using the Kindle book lending thing i rented The Hunger Games

about a quarter way through. it's not bad. the writing is pretty dry and some of the sentence structure is a bit awkward but it's decent. i'm waiting for the actual hunger games to begin.
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Post by: Ninja on November 17, 2011, 10:14:17 AM
I've been having trouble getting motivated to read AFFC here lately.  I can't tell if I got burnt out on reading so much so fast, or if I really just didn't like the opening.

Yeah, I flew through ASOIF up to ASOS and now I'm finding A Feast For Crows a lot less engaging. It's very slow-paced which is a little jarring, especially after the ridiculously action-packed ASOS.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2011, 01:01:58 PM
Yea AFFC is kind of love-or-hate. The second and third books were non-stop plot escalation whereas AFFC deals with the aftermath of things
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Post by: Narag on November 17, 2011, 06:25:18 PM
Using the Kindle book lending thing i rented The Hunger Games

about a quarter way through. it's not bad. the writing is pretty dry and some of the sentence structure is a bit awkward but it's decent. i'm waiting for the actual hunger games to begin.

Really enjoyed that first book, not so much the sequels.

I've been having trouble getting motivated to read AFFC here lately.  I can't tell if I got burnt out on reading so much so fast, or if I really just didn't like the opening.

Yeah, I flew through ASOIF up to ASOS and now I'm finding A Feast For Crows a lot less engaging. It's very slow-paced which is a little jarring, especially after the ridiculously action-packed ASOS.

Couldn't put AFFC down myself. It's a break in the action but some of the setups in that book coerced me into jumping right into ADWD when I'd finished it.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on November 18, 2011, 01:48:15 AM
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Loved this, need to get the other collection.
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Post by: Narag on November 20, 2011, 02:08:25 AM
I had similar feelings with the Consul's tale down the line. It stuck with me longer than anything else in the book.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 22, 2011, 01:09:28 PM


Really enjoyed that first book, not so much the sequels.



they really bad? i finished it and it sucks that it ends on a cliffhangery note.

edit: seems it goes with a "revolution" angle. kinda figured as much
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Post by: Narag on November 22, 2011, 07:43:48 PM


Really enjoyed that first book, not so much the sequels.



they really bad? i finished it and it sucks that it ends on a cliffhangery note.

edit: seems it goes with a "revolution" angle. kinda figured as much

Quality diminishes as ones goes on, at least that's how I feel.  Not so much bad but didn't go in a direction I cared for.  Don't let that stop you if you enjoyed the first though.
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Post by: Narag on November 30, 2011, 06:57:56 AM
Get right to it. So damn good.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 30, 2011, 07:27:09 AM
I love the Hyperion Cantos but he kinda lost me with Olympos. There is lots of great stuff in there but man, is it messy. Never actually finished the 2nd book.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 30, 2011, 08:52:49 AM

Quality diminishes as ones goes on, at least that's how I feel.  Not so much bad but didn't go in a direction I cared for.  Don't let that stop you if you enjoyed the first though.


I just finished Catching Fire this morning. Not bad, all told. There's definitely a case of "been there, done that" since it follows the same structure but I think there was enough twist in events to keep it interesting.

The writing is still pretty dry but the story being told is interesting and it keeps me wanting to know what will happen next. I though the Games section was pretty entertaining.

Gonna start Mockingjay tomorrow.
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Post by: nice cat but chicken on December 02, 2011, 01:33:21 AM
I've been having trouble getting motivated to read AFFC here lately.  I can't tell if I got burnt out on reading so much so fast, or if I really just didn't like the opening.
this. i powered through the first three in about a week each but AFFC took me like 2 months (partially due to exams). it was actually just as satisfying in the end i thought. probably just the milieu of new characters and an initial scaling back of the action that slowed me down.
after exams i thrashed ADWD in a bit less than a week. now i'm sad.

reading Dubliners very casually at the moment.
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Post by: nice cat but chicken on December 02, 2011, 01:47:48 AM
Araby :bow2
this is the name of the chapter i stopped at. i take it i'm in for a treat?
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 02, 2011, 10:25:52 AM
got IQ84 sitting my shelf, absorbing it through osmosis 

maybe i'll get to read it over break

but I'm starting to suspect, with the amount of books I buy a year vs. how many I actually read (about 20 : 0 ratio), that I like the idea of books better than reading them themselves.  So I know enough to know that IQ84 is probably a wonderful book and that Murakami is one of my favorite writers, but I'm just too damn distracted.  not sure if that makes sense!

it's terrible though, makes some people think I just want to have books on my shelves to look smart.  I only took books I haven't read to my apartment when I moved out, so people come over, pick out books, ask me how they are and I'm all "I dunno"
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Post by: CajoleJuice on December 02, 2011, 01:09:34 PM
got IQ84 sitting my shelf, absorbing it through osmosis 

maybe i'll get to read it over break

but I'm starting to suspect, with the amount of books I buy a year vs. how many I actually read (about 20 : 0 ratio), that I like the idea of books better than reading them themselves.  So I know enough to know that IQ84 is probably a wonderful book and that Murakami is one of my favorite writers, but I'm just too damn distracted.  not sure if that makes sense!

it's terrible though, makes some people think I just want to have books on my shelves to look smart.  I only took books I haven't read to my apartment when I moved out, so people come over, pick out books, ask me how they are and I'm all "I dunno"

hahaha I did the same thing but I've already gotten through most of the books just so this wouldn't happen
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Post by: Timber on December 02, 2011, 05:20:19 PM
How many handjobs do you think are in 1Q84? It's like a thousand pages long so I'm guessing at least twenty. Got to be at least twenty handjobs.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 02, 2011, 05:31:23 PM
i hope he reuses the phrase "tuft of pubic hair" in it. i spent like 10 minutes imagining a "tuft" when i read that line in wind-up bird.
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Post by: Barry Egan on December 02, 2011, 08:45:35 PM
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(http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Of-Human-Bondage-by-Somerset-Maugham.jpg)

Holy fuck, that was one of the best chapters in the history of literature.

SMmotherfuckinH
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Post by: Barry Egan on December 02, 2011, 10:07:08 PM
yeah, yeah.  We'll see what your next account has to say about it. 
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 05, 2011, 10:00:32 PM
I finished The Hunger Games trilogy. IMO, The Hunger Games > Mockingjay > Catching Fire. The second felt too "been there, done that" while the third delved into a different territory with some interesting plot twists. I also enjoyed the way it ended.

Sooo, trying to decide what to move on to next. I'm thinking something by Stephen King. I hear his two latest books are pretty good. Under the Dome and the most recent i can't remember the title of. Any suggestions?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on December 05, 2011, 10:06:33 PM
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Finished all the Jack Reacher books (15!) so this series will likely be my crime/thriller fix for the forseeable.

Really enjoying this - a history of and practical guide to rhetoric by Guardian columnist Sam Leith:
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 22, 2011, 12:11:25 AM
My wife rocks. We opened presents tonight since we're leaving for Nebraska in the morning and don't want to lug them with us.

She got me an autorgraphed advance copy of Kafka on the Shore. It's the version they send out to critics and bookstore owners well before it releases to the public. Autographed by Murakami!

:rock
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Post by: CajoleJuice on December 22, 2011, 01:23:58 AM
(http://billwardwriter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/rise-fall-third-reich.jpg)

Not far into it at all, but fuck it's good.
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Post by: Eric P on December 23, 2011, 08:17:42 AM
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I missed that you were reading these.  I love the Stark books.  Ruthlessly pragmatic and efficient. 

Let me know if you're interested in that era of crime fiction (40s - 70s post-pulp paperback era) because I've recently started reading a hell of a lot of them and can shoot you some links. 
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Post by: chronovore on December 23, 2011, 10:04:29 PM
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I missed that you were reading these.  I love the Stark books.  Ruthlessly pragmatic and efficient. 

Let me know if you're interested in that era of crime fiction (40s - 70s post-pulp paperback era) because I've recently started reading a hell of a lot of them and can shoot you some links.

Shoot us some links. I love crime fiction. I have a big chub for Elmore Leonard and Andrew Vacchs.
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Post by: Eric P on December 24, 2011, 07:34:55 AM
have you read any Joe Lansdale?  He does all kinds of stuff, but his crime fiction is top notch.
Check out the Hap and Leonard series.  The first book is kind of weak but 2 -5 are great.  After that they kind of fall into series overreach territory.

Fredric Brown was an amazingly prolific writer.  He did a lot of crime stories but he also did a lot of sci-fi, almost all of them in the pulps.  His books are hit and miss.  When they hit, they're omfg amazing, when they miss they're still kind of entertaining, but as the dude was just cranking these out, it's not too surprising.
This will get you started  http://www.munseys.com/detail/mode/author/fredric_brown  Check out The Screaming MiMi and The Fabulous Clipjoint.  The Screaming Mimi is the basis for like every Italian horror film ever.

David Goodis is a guy I just started reading.  I really liked Night Squad.  I have Cassidy's Girl lined up at some point in the near future. http://www.munseys.com/detail/mode/author/David_Goodis

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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 24, 2011, 08:16:10 AM
i've been reading Under the Dome by Stephen King for the last month or so (only reading for about 40minutes to and hour a day at the most)

I'm enjoying it but King takes sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long to get going and his writing is sooooooooooooooooooooo long winded. i'm about half way through it and it's picking up considerably.

it's clearly very much in the same vein as The Mist, which I like.

also it seems to me that the book was written in a very "movie" like fashion. every chapter is a small scene that I could see easily being adapted to a tv show or a mini-series. i'm not really up on all Stephen King beyond The Dark Tower so i dunno if this is just how he writes.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 24, 2011, 08:28:28 AM
there's a point in king's career where you can clearly tell editors either grew too afraid to actually edit his work, or he grew big enough to tell them to fuck off and print it as-is

for me, it starts around the tommyknockers (although IT has a really shitty "i've written myself into a corner" ending)

his short story work remains pretty solid, though
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Post by: Himu on December 27, 2011, 04:40:38 AM
Reading Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell. Pleasantly pleased.
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Post by: chronovore on December 27, 2011, 04:45:40 AM
have you read any Joe Lansdale?  He does all kinds of stuff, but his crime fiction is top notch.
Check out the Hap and Leonard series.  The first book is kind of weak but 2 -5 are great.  After that they kind of fall into series overreach territory.

Fredric Brown was an amazingly prolific writer.  He did a lot of crime stories but he also did a lot of sci-fi, almost all of them in the pulps.  His books are hit and miss.  When they hit, they're omfg amazing, when they miss they're still kind of entertaining, but as the dude was just cranking these out, it's not too surprising.
This will get you started  http://www.munseys.com/detail/mode/author/fredric_brown  Check out The Screaming MiMi and The Fabulous Clipjoint.  The Screaming Mimi is the basis for like every Italian horror film ever.

David Goodis is a guy I just started reading.  I really liked Night Squad.  I have Cassidy's Girl lined up at some point in the near future. http://www.munseys.com/detail/mode/author/David_Goodis

Thanks! I've pasted this note into my shopping list...
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 27, 2011, 05:25:18 AM
i've been reading Under the Dome by Stephen King for the last month or so (only reading for about 40minutes to and hour a day at the most)

I'm enjoying it but King takes sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long to get going and his writing is sooooooooooooooooooooo long winded. i'm about half way through it and it's picking up considerably.

it's clearly very much in the same vein as The Mist, which I like.

also it seems to me that the book was written in a very "movie" like fashion. every chapter is a small scene that I could see easily being adapted to a tv show or a mini-series. i'm not really up on all Stephen King beyond The Dark Tower so i dunno if this is just how he writes.

Ive always been a fan of Kings shorter books and short stories. Even liked his new stuff like Cell and Duma Key.

The sheer size of this books puts me off, plus I remember some review said it's focussed on US politics, is this true?
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Post by: MrAngryFace on December 29, 2011, 12:41:40 AM
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Almost finished with this; I wouldnt say its better or worse than the first book 'Faith and Fire'; James Swallow seems incredibly consistent in term of the quality of his writing. Plus omg Necronz and magic swordz! I've always preferred the more zealous warriors of the 40k universe since they tend to do a better job embodying the unyeilding faith in the emperor that allows the imperium to even exist. Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle are tops.
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Post by: Himu on December 29, 2011, 02:56:43 AM
Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell is fantastic. I'm averaging 100 pages a day and should be done by next week. One of the most fabulously wonderful books I have ever had the opportunity to read. Such a refreshing fantasy novel that separates itself from a very canned and sterile pack; I have covered my distaste with a lot of modern fantasy novels in the past, and this book does every single thing right to ratify my misgiving towards the genre. Absolutely stupendous. And such a wonderfully colorful cast of characters! Jane Austen would be so proud. :heartbeat
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 29, 2011, 10:27:17 AM
I'm reading GILES GOAT-BOY by John Barth. It's, um.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 29, 2011, 01:57:58 PM


Ive always been a fan of Kings shorter books and short stories. Even liked his new stuff like Cell and Duma Key.

The sheer size of this books puts me off, plus I remember some review said it's focussed on US politics, is this true?

halfway through... i can see some commentary going on. specifically with the "villain". but for the most part, the outside world isn't seen as the bad guys. the focus is firmly on the evil inside the dome.

then again, there's plenty left.
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Post by: Robo on December 29, 2011, 02:17:09 PM
reading The Wasp Factory.  WUT
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Post by: Eric P on December 29, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
JUST WAIT!
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Post by: Himu on December 30, 2011, 08:33:48 PM
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Should be done tonight. Probably the best fantasy book I've ever read.
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Post by: Cheebo on December 30, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
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Should be done tonight. Probably the best fantasy book I've ever read.
Cute book but to put it up against stuff like Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, A Song of Ice and Fire, etc?
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Post by: Mandark on December 30, 2011, 08:56:19 PM
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Should be done tonight. Probably the best fantasy book I've ever read.
Cute book but to put it up against stuff like Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, A Song of Ice and Fire, etc?

One question. (http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2011-12-27_2677045324098245/tv/simpsons/homer/wrong2.wav)
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Post by: Eric P on December 30, 2011, 09:01:05 PM
I click that link and it goes to Amazon.com's main page.

The best fantasy books I'd ever read were Moorcock's Dancers at the End of Time series; Edwardian comedies of manners set at the end of days. 

Currently reading Saban's The Sound of His Horn which is about Nazis winning WW2 meets Connell's Most Dangerous Games.
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Post by: Himu on December 30, 2011, 09:02:44 PM
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Should be done tonight. Probably the best fantasy book I've ever read.
Cute book but to put it up against stuff like Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, A Song of Ice and Fire, etc?

lol

Lord of the Rings is a tiresome slog, The Hobbit is a children's book, and Song of Ice and Fire's latest book was pap.
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Post by: Cheebo on December 30, 2011, 09:02:49 PM
Moorcock is amazing. Glad someone else likes that series.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 30, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
I have a shelf full of Dick and Moorcock than you can shake a wang at.

edit: i may have been drinking
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 30, 2011, 09:09:37 PM
I will never understand why people put LotR on such a pedestal and this is coming from a fan of the series. Those books are horrifically paced and written.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cheebo on December 30, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
I will never understand why people put LotR on such a pedestal and this is coming from a fan of the series. Those books are horrifically paced and written.
It basically invented the modern fantasy genre.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 30, 2011, 09:51:07 PM
So?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
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Should be done tonight. Probably the best fantasy book I've ever read.

It's ok I guess but Harry Potter is tons better. I'm sure the film will be better
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 30, 2011, 10:30:44 PM
At the time they were written, the books had a very unique style.  The slow pace made the world pop even more, and given that world was a pretty new one, it bowled people over.  It's not hard to see how the series got put on that pedestal.

How they've stayed there is just hype and tradition.

It's understandable how it was put on a pedestal, mostly due to the world and the details of that world. But to me mentioning Lord of the Rings in a best fantasy novel discussion is akin to bringing up Final Fantasy VII in a best rpg discussion.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 30, 2011, 10:32:05 PM
i'm curious what you would consider the best then.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 30, 2011, 10:36:05 PM
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Should be done tonight. Probably the best fantasy book I've ever read.

It's ok I guess but Harry Potter is tons better. I'm sure the film will be better

The lore in Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell, is refreshing for a fantasy novel. The amount of details in the novel rivals Tolkien, except without the fluff.

I realize that Jonathon Strange is not for everyone. It constantly goes into random, lengthy footnotes which for all intents and purposes add to the lore of the book. But unlike say, Lord of the Rings, which constantly drops its random loot, Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell builds upon lore after lore, making the world rich with details. The fact it exists in our own world makes it even more approachable and enticing.

Still, I think the book has a lot of personality and I enjoy the writing. It's an interesting novel in that it takes place in a specific period but the story is not in any defined by the period. Very Harry Potter-esque and certainly different from other fantasy. I find it refreshing that it's not wave your wand and have fire shooting out the tip fantasy, but fantasy with a far more grand scale, almost godly, if I were to use a random descriptor.

Factor all of this in with comedy addled social commentary which reeks of Jane Austen and you have a book that I adore.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2011, 10:36:50 PM
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Should be done tonight. Probably the best fantasy book I've ever read.

It's ok I guess but Harry Potter is tons better. I'm sure the film will be better

The lore in Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell, is refreshing for a fantasy novel. The amount of details in the novel rivals Tolkien, except without the fluff.

I realize that Jonathon Strange is not for everyone. It constantly goes into random, lengthy footnotes which for all intents and purposes add to the lore of the book. But unlike say, Lord of the Rings, which constantly drops its random loot, Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell builds upon lore after lore, making the world rich with details. The fact it exists in our own world makes it even more approachable and enticing.

Still, I think the book has a lot of personality and I enjoy the writing. It's an interesting novel in that it takes place in a specific period but the story is not in any defined by the period. Very Harry Potter-esque and certainly different from other fantasy. I find it refreshing that it's not wave your wand and have fire shooting out the tip fantasy, but fantasy with a far more grand scale, almost godly, if I were to use a random descriptor.

Factor all of this in with comedy addled social commentary which reeks of Jane Austen and you have a book that I adore.

I was hoping for a different response to that troll  :-\

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 30, 2011, 10:47:25 PM
i'm curious what you would consider the best then.

To be honest here, fantasy's not really my genre, but fantasy novels I am partial to include:

The first book of Malazan (I need to finish this series)
The Blade Itself
Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell
Neverwhere

I also enjoy the earlier books of the Song of Ice and Fire series.

It's understandable how it was put on a pedestal, mostly due to the world and the details of that world. But to me mentioning Lord of the Rings in a best fantasy novel discussion is akin to bringing up Final Fantasy VII in a best rpg discussion.

Best fantasy novel is just a tallest midget contest anyway.  Harlequin Romances have a better quality average.

Agreed. Fantasy is probably the last thing I can get myself to read. I only pick up fantasy if someone suggests something interesting.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cheebo on December 30, 2011, 10:53:42 PM
Fantasy novels are mostly awful but damnit they are really fun while being awful a lot of the time.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 30, 2011, 11:06:22 PM
I think the issue is that most of what people come across is modern pulp fantasy crap

I think the best fantasy is being published under the "weird" moniker and may actually be unrecognizable to "fans" of the genre.

If anyone would like a really illuminating experience, check out Jeff and Ann Vandermeer's massive "Weird" anthology covering over 100 years of unusual fiction.

Check out the new and excellent http://weirdfictionreview.com/
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 30, 2011, 11:15:28 PM
40k books are best haw hawwwwww
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 31, 2011, 12:11:23 AM
reading The Wasp Factory.  WUT

awesome book
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 01, 2012, 04:21:41 AM
If your preconception of 'fantasy' is Wheel of Time or whatever, you can justify the 'Harlequin romance' sneering a bit I guess. But it just reveals your ignorance of over a hundred years of exotic fiction, from Clark Ashton Smith, Howard and Lovecraft, to Tolkien, Lieber, Zelazny and Vance, to Clive Barker (not best known for his fantasy but 'Imajica' is a towering, stunning work), Jonathan Carroll and China Mieville.

Here's a list to get you started
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_Masterworks
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2012, 04:25:32 AM
The Lyonesse trilogy is amazing
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 01, 2012, 04:31:21 AM
While I've got the ranting hat on, most people's definition of 'fantasy' is far too narrow, and only encompasses what Barnes & Noble deems as such. To my eyes, 'Animal Farm' is fantasy, as is 'As You Like It' and the entire magical realism genre. The same goes for SF, really. 'Oryx and Crake' by Margaret Atwood is as SF as SF can be, but it gets claimed by the litfic crowd. The canons of the various 'genres' of SF, fantasy and horror would be a fuck of a lot richer if their crown jewels didn't get claimed as simply 'literature' and the pap deemed the standard.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2012, 04:34:17 AM
preach

Enough shitty "literature" is released every year in droves yet only fantasy is judged and looked down upon by a double standard
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 01, 2012, 05:21:40 AM
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Should be done tonight. Probably the best fantasy book I've ever read.

It's ok I guess but Harry Potter is tons better. I'm sure the film will be better

The lore in Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell, is refreshing for a fantasy novel. The amount of details in the novel rivals Tolkien, except without the fluff.

I realize that Jonathon Strange is not for everyone. It constantly goes into random, lengthy footnotes which for all intents and purposes add to the lore of the book. But unlike say, Lord of the Rings, which constantly drops its random loot, Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell builds upon lore after lore, making the world rich with details. The fact it exists in our own world makes it even more approachable and enticing.

Still, I think the book has a lot of personality and I enjoy the writing. It's an interesting novel in that it takes place in a specific period but the story is not in any defined by the period. Very Harry Potter-esque and certainly different from other fantasy. I find it refreshing that it's not wave your wand and have fire shooting out the tip fantasy, but fantasy with a far more grand scale, almost godly, if I were to use a random descriptor.

Factor all of this in with comedy addled social commentary which reeks of Jane Austen and you have a book that I adore.

I was hoping for a different response to that troll  :-\

If it's any solace, I was about to launch into a ;tldr tirade, but then you fessed up to the troll.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 01, 2012, 05:22:07 AM
reading The Wasp Factory.  WUT
JUST WAIT!

Yeah, that book starts weird and then goes crazy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 01, 2012, 07:29:49 AM
What gets dumped in the 'fantasy' section in bookstores is really more like 'Tolkien fanfic' sadly. Most of it is turgid, predictable pap for sure, but there is a world of great stuff that could and should be placed alongside it. Half of what is now being called 'Young Adult' fiction, for a start. Jonathan Stroud's 'Bartimaeus' books for example - for my money they kick the arse of Harry Potter and should be sold to adults, children, fantasy fans, literature fans, adventure fans, whatever. But they are marketed to 13 yr olds 'cause that's where the market is perceived to be these days.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 01, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
happy new year, oscar!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 01, 2012, 12:46:29 PM
Yeaaaahhhh pissinn
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on January 01, 2012, 03:42:29 PM
I totally count Cold Comfort Farm as sci-fi, because of Stella Gibbons throwing in some off-target futurism (video payphones! personal airplanes!) that are completely superfluous to the plot anyway.  More books should have stuff like that.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 01, 2012, 05:03:30 PM
I don't have any problem with Tolkien's prose style or pacing, or Asimov's for example (not that he's anything like Tolkien, but he's a golden age SF author whose writing often gets slagged as "wooden"). Can't stand the overwrought GRR Martin crap though, just feels forced and inauthentic to me.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on January 01, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
I've actually never made it through the LOTR books.  It's not the quality of the prose in general, but the tendency to give long, detailed descriptions of the physical setting.  For whatever reason, my brain just can not deal with it.  I'll hit a certain part of the book (*cough* Tom Bombadil) and realize that I've been scanning the words for a couple pages without actually processing any of it.  Love The Hobbit, though.

Asimov's on the other end of the spectrum.  Everything of his I've read may as well take place in a cardboard box.  It's all dialogue, ideas, plot and logic puzzles.  Super easy reading.  Which probably has something to do with my Austen fetish fandom.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 01, 2012, 05:46:37 PM
tbh I couldn't get through The Two Towers either. I eventually just skipped it and started Return of the King. However that was really less about the prose and more about the content.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 01, 2012, 11:57:19 PM
Omigod I just discovered the Amazon Prime "Book Borrowing" system :O

First the Seattle Public Library starts offering Kindle books, now this...I may never have to pay for text again

(I feel bad for saying this as my dad kept the family fed by writing books back in the 80s-90s)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 02, 2012, 12:27:43 AM
Yeah, I remember the text bubble of the 80s/90s was kinda crazy. At one point speculators had put a seven figure valuation on a single semicolon.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 02, 2012, 12:28:26 AM
Yeah, I remember the text bubble of the 80s/90s got kinda crazy though. At one point speculators had put a seven figure valuation on a single semicolon.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 02, 2012, 01:54:03 AM
I've actually never made it through the LOTR books.  It's not the quality of the prose in general, but the tendency to give long, detailed descriptions of the physical setting.  For whatever reason, my brain just can not deal with it.  I'll hit a certain part of the book (*cough* Tom Bombadil) and realize that I've been scanning the words for a couple pages without actually processing any of it.  Love The Hobbit, though.

Same issue for me.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 02, 2012, 01:55:41 AM
agreed, my attention span is too short- has a head exploded in the last few minutes? has the god-emperor been glorified? grimdark? no? pass.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 02:06:54 AM
I loved LOTR and had no problem with the pacing, although the two things I didn't like were some of the longer songs and the Bambadil scenes

Personally I love the detailed descriptions of things in fantasy novels, especially details involving army strength and the almost census-quality discussion of regional strength. I created an excel based on various info on the North's potential manpower in the ASOIAF series. It was accidentally deleted from my HD shortly before ADWD was released, which sucked because the book pretty much validated my numbers  :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 02, 2012, 02:09:05 AM
FURRY HOBBIT FEET REACHING FOR THE POT OF HONEYS AND BREADS WHERE IS THE BUTTER OH THERE IT IS ON THE THIRD SHELF
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 02:18:20 AM
I covered an onion in butter and cooked it in the oven just because all my favorite characters in fantasies eat that and it sounds so awesome. Didn't turn out awesome at all :(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 02, 2012, 08:39:32 PM
Just finished Snow Crash and quite liked it. If I were to read another Stephenson book, which should it be?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 02, 2012, 08:45:44 PM
Just finished Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell. Wonderful introduction to Susanna Clarke and I'm really anticipated to read The Hunger Games trilogy.

Starting Miyuki Miyabe's All She Was Worth tonight.

Also, the mid-section of The Two Towers was absolutely agony. How I got through that when I was 15 I will never know. The Hobbit owns, however, but it's a totally different kind of literature. Thankfully, The Hobbit can be read in a day, and its pages are filled with wonderful charm and adventure, something Lord of the Rings' books failed to deliver by emphasizing menial details that really don't add to the world much beyond minutiae.

That said, I'll give the books a point for particular sections. The Two Towers ending was fantastic, and a fine example of a cliff hanger. It ends with Frodo taken by Shelob, with Sam actively going to take up Frodo's mantle as ring bearer with the idea that Frodo was dead. Putting that section into Return of the King's film was a huge mistake, I think.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 08:59:16 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 02, 2012, 09:01:42 PM
Just finished Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell. Wonderful introduction to Susanna Clarke and I'm really anticipated to read The Hunger Games trilogy.

I enjoyed The Hunger Games trilogy. It was definitely geared towards young adults and has  A LOT of innocent teenage sexual tension though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 02, 2012, 09:04:12 PM
I haven't read the LotR trilogy since I was a teenager. I may have more patience to get through it now. I've read that depending on your age, you may be able to appreciate LotR books a bit more, though that could be damage control for all I know.

Just finished Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell. Wonderful introduction to Susanna Clarke and I'm really anticipated to read The Hunger Games trilogy.

I enjoyed The Hunger Games trilogy. It was definitely geared towards young adults and has  A LOT of innocent teenage sexual tension though.

Thanks for the warning.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on January 02, 2012, 09:09:40 PM
Just finished Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell. Wonderful introduction to Susanna Clarke and I'm really anticipated to read The Hunger Games trilogy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susanna_Clarke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_Collins
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 02, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
Huh. I have my kindle set up so that it orders by author, and I keep reading "Susanna Clarke" when I see "Suzanne Collins". Welp. Now I'm mad because I was hoping for more Susanna Clarke.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 09:21:11 PM
No biggie, author names are just minutiae detail
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 02, 2012, 09:22:18 PM
You're just mad because Tom Bombadil is a shit character.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 02, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
My 13 year old niece was reading The Hunger Games over the holiday break.  Enjoy :-\

im pretty sure it didn't start getting the Twilight treatment until after the first book came out. So at least reading that isn't a problem.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 02, 2012, 09:45:02 PM
The only reason I got The Hunger Games was because on the kindle store it's cheap as fuck; I'm talking like 2-3 bucks. Also, my friend recommended it. But this friend also likes True Blood. Oh god.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 02, 2012, 09:49:38 PM
its not high class literature but it's entertaining.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 02, 2012, 09:50:37 PM
Well, I'm looking forward to reading most anything at the moment and hey, at least it was cheap!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on January 02, 2012, 09:55:07 PM
"It was pretty good, until the second book when the author describes the main female character as weighing 125 lbs.  wtf?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 10:02:28 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 02, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
It's about teenage girls.  I wouldn't trust fistful's rec on this one.

I was going to read it after All She Was Worth, but I think I'll read Life of Pi or Daughter of Smoke and Bone next. Thanks!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 02, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
it's actually about a teenage girl. singular.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 02, 2012, 11:17:27 PM
I am currently reading THE HUNGER GAMES as this months Amazon Prime freebie. This is classified as young adult fiction, right? Because the vocab feels like a 5th grade reading level.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 03, 2012, 12:07:14 AM
I actually read that Miyuki Miyabe book years ago, but found it completely forgettable. As in, I've literally forgotten everything about it other than the author's name, the fact that I read it, it was some kind of mystery, and it was kinda boring.

I told you before, you should try China Mieville, you might like Perdido Street Station.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cheebo on January 03, 2012, 05:49:23 AM
I am currently reading THE HUNGER GAMES as this months Amazon Prime freebie. This is classified as young adult fiction, right? Because the vocab feels like a 5th grade reading level.
Yeah its young adult, surprisingly enjoyable though. I dismissed it as a sort of Twilight but all 3 books were pretty decent.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 03, 2012, 06:40:10 AM
I am reading You Are Not So Smart which is a terrifying book.

Your brain is your fucking enemy.  You should not trust it.  At all.

It's a compilation and expansion of a website which discusses all the things your brain does to safely get you through the day.  Unfortunately most of what those things are make you sound like a ego-maniacal sociopath.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/

edit; i read the first book of the hunger games trilogy because my gf's book group read it and she had it laying around.  eh.

Himu, if you want something inexpensive and worth your time on Kindle, check out John Rector's The Grove or Already Gone.  They're both $5 and they're both short reads and they're both quite good.  The ending to Already Gone is a bit problematic, but everything up to that point is pretty grand.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on January 03, 2012, 05:10:10 PM
(http://scimaps.org/exhibit/maps/010_science_fiction_jpg_600x600_q85.jpg)

Anyone have the hi-res version of this thing saved somewhere?  Google results keep linking back to the original dead link.

Nevermind, I found it.   http://biblioklept.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/024_lg.jpg
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 03, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
It's about teenage girls.  I wouldn't trust fistful's rec on this one.

I was going to read it after All She Was Worth, but I think I'll read Life of Pi or Daughter of Smoke and Bone next. Thanks!

the life of pi is so, so, so, so awful
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 03, 2012, 06:08:14 PM
I am reading You Are Not So Smart which is a terrifying book.

this is a great book. i learn't about it from r. scott bakker's blog, and was a really insightful (and yes, terrifying) read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 03, 2012, 06:18:58 PM
i read a buncha pulp horror crap, none of which was really good.

the two best books i read on break were (in order) "blindsight" by peter bates, which is the best piece of hard first contact sf i've read in ages; and "altered carbon", a sci-fi classic i've had sitting around on my nook for some time and never really got around to reading.

i really, really second patel's recommendation of "blindsight". much like "you are not so smart," it makes a compelling case AGAINST sentience as a competitive advantage. MUST READ FOR NEUROPSYCH AND SEMIOTICS/LINGUISTICS NERDS. could we ever actually get along with something intelligent that we don't -- and can't  -- understand, when we can't even get along with the intelligent life forms we slightly understand -- ourselves? it asks.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
no. duh. :derp
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also PLAUSIBLE AND AWESOME SPACE VAMPIRES.
Title: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 03, 2012, 06:22:11 PM
More plausible than Tobe Hooper's seminal Life Force?  I think not.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 03, 2012, 06:24:23 PM
oh yes. there's even a hilariously awesome explanation for their aversion to crucifixes!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
they perceive events non-linearly (in associative quasi-simultaneity) -- basically, they have a pervasive and profound case of hyperthemistic syndrome -- and euclidean right angles induce grand mal seizures as they are incapable of processing perfectly unnatural shapes and configurations. their brain can't rationalize geometric permutations that result in perfect trigonometries, as they get their synapses tied up computing the asymptotes. L O L


the space vampires aren't the aliens, anyhow. the aliens are closer to shoggoths. in the book, humanity resurrects the vampire genetic lineage to use their atemporal processing abilities to evaluate real-time tactical scenarios for engagement using their sensory/cognitive parallelism. that they also have the desire to EAT PEOPLE is an absurdly hilarious part of a key subplot.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 03, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
absolutely EVERYONE I know has been telling me to read the Blindsight thing lately, which has made me kinda not wanna  :hans1

edit: ok, that crucifix thing is AMAZING
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Barry Egan on January 03, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
It's about teenage girls.  I wouldn't trust fistful's rec on this one.

I was going to read it after All She Was Worth, but I think I'll read Life of Pi or Daughter of Smoke and Bone next. Thanks!

the life of pi is so, so, so, so awful

qft.  not a brave book at all.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: cool breeze on January 04, 2012, 12:57:49 PM
quick question about eink readers:  if I buy a nook touch, is there a way I can still use the amazon service? I like the nook touch more than the kindle touch, but Amazon seems like a way better seller and all that.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 04, 2012, 12:59:22 PM
I finished You Are Not So Smart and loved it. Should be required reading, really. Your brain is your enemy. You must not trust it.

I moved from that to a brand new printing of Nick Blinko's The Primal Screamer, which is Lovecraftian Horror meets Anarcho-Punk. I'm usually quite weary of Cthulhu meets Noun books, but Nick Blinko was the lead singer, guitarist of Anarco-Punk/DeathRock band Rudamentary Peni who recorded an album devoted to HP Lovecraft in 1987. So well before the internet mash up culture came along and ruined everything.

The book is told from the perspective of an analyst who is brought in to deal with the character Nat after a suicide attempt and the book takes the form of a doctor's journal tracking progress.

It's a very short book lasting only 120 pages so I'll finish this either today or tomorrow. I made it a quarter of the way through just on my train ride in to work this morning.

So far, there is no weirdness, but this edition by PM Publishing, best known for punk rock related books is filled with Nick's artwork which had been done for many previous versions.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2012, 01:05:10 PM
Is You Are Not So Smart worth it if you've read much of the blog?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 04, 2012, 01:11:41 PM
I don't know.  I wasn't familiar with the blog.  He says that there's a lot of new content and some of his more popular entries had been expanded for the book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 04, 2012, 01:33:19 PM
It's about teenage girls.  I wouldn't trust fistful's rec on this one.

I was going to read it after All She Was Worth, but I think I'll read Life of Pi or Daughter of Smoke and Bone next. Thanks!

the life of pi is so, so, so, so awful

man, I wish I could find my awesome Life of Pi rant, "Irrational and Infinitely Long"
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 04, 2012, 01:41:44 PM
I read 11/23/63 over the break, to my own tears. Shoulda listened to Prole on that one when I coulda gotten out safely. Turns out, the only thing worse than a hand-waving King ending vagary is is King relentlessly plotting his ending into lockstep complicity with the narrative. Jason's I Killed Adolph Hitler has more romance and time-travel knots in 48 pages than King managed in half a tree.

Reading Deathless, now, by Catherynne Valente - about how traditional Russian folklore fixtures (Baba Yaga, Koschei, etc.) survive and adapt to the Communist revolution. It's a lot more romantic and sweeping and a lot less precious than that description might make it sound.

Also started The Pale King, and am loving it - it's far more nuanced and complete than I was lead to believe from its "unfinished novel" nomenclature, and NOBODY writes chapter-long sentences like DFW.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 04, 2012, 02:12:16 PM
I remember liking parts of Life of Pi, but the "moral" at the end was  ::) and ultimately the whole thing seemed kinda pointless
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 04, 2012, 02:15:13 PM
I remember liking parts of Life of Pi, but the "moral" at the end was  ::) and ultimately the whole thing seemed kinda pointless

It would have been the perfect M. Night Shamalayan movie...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 04, 2012, 02:26:36 PM
IIRC I enjoyed the middle section of the book, the actual adventure part with the tiger and stuff. I think if I were to choose I would prefer the version of it that had the tiger, but didn't have the wraparound sections attempting to assign symbolic significance to whether it had the tiger or not. what is the metaphoric meaning of my preference, I wonder?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 04, 2012, 05:00:33 PM
i read a buncha pulp horror crap, none of which was really good.

the two best books i read on break were (in order) "blindsight" by peter bates, which is the best piece of hard first contact sf i've read in ages; and "altered carbon", a sci-fi classic i've had sitting around on my nook for some time and never really got around to reading.

i really, really second patel's recommendation of "blindsight". much like "you are not so smart," it makes a compelling case AGAINST sentience as a competitive advantage. MUST READ FOR NEUROPSYCH AND SEMIOTICS/LINGUISTICS NERDS. could we ever actually get along with something intelligent that we don't -- and can't  -- understand, when we can't even get along with the intelligent life forms we slightly understand -- ourselves? it asks.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
no. duh. :derp
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also PLAUSIBLE AND AWESOME SPACE VAMPIRES.

Blindslight is apparently free online.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2012, 09:30:22 PM
although it's by Peter Watts, not Peter Bates I believe.

I bought You Are Not So Smart, Eric P. Sounds like it will have some serious application in the workplace.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2012, 09:53:17 PM
:lol

Yeah, that was Newt's last-ditch attempt to win the Republican nomination with a broadside at Evilbore there.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 05, 2012, 06:01:54 AM
I read that as You Are Not So Smart, Eric P and thought, whoa, Eric P has some real enemies.

i accidentally ate a piece of bread and have been excommunicated.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2012, 09:08:56 AM
Just finished Snow Crash and quite liked it. If I were to read another Stephenson book, which should it be?

Zodiac is a free-wheeling eco thriller; plenty good. If you want something clearly SF, move directly to the Diamond Age, which shares Snow Crash's sense of movement and humor.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2012, 09:12:26 AM
i read a buncha pulp horror crap, none of which was really good.

the two best books i read on break were (in order) "blindsight" by peter bates, which is the best piece of hard first contact sf i've read in ages; and "altered carbon", a sci-fi classic i've had sitting around on my nook for some time and never really got around to reading.

i really, really second patel's recommendation of "blindsight". much like "you are not so smart," it makes a compelling case AGAINST sentience as a competitive advantage. MUST READ FOR NEUROPSYCH AND SEMIOTICS/LINGUISTICS NERDS. could we ever actually get along with something intelligent that we don't -- and can't  -- understand, when we can't even get along with the intelligent life forms we slightly understand -- ourselves? it asks.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
no. duh. :derp
[close]

also PLAUSIBLE AND AWESOME SPACE VAMPIRES.

I liked Blindsight a lot. I may have read it at Patel's urging, I can't recall. The vampire thing was tiny, but if he'd stroked himself over it much more, it would have bugged me. The actual alien, otoh, scared the hell out of me.

Next, I went on to read all of his Rifters trilogy, which is also free online. Bleak, bleak, bleak. Jesus. Watts must be quite the conversation killer at any party he attends.

If you liked Altered Carbon, you may want to try Thirteen/Black Man, but give it a little time before doing so. I ran directly from AC to Thirteen, and it was a little too samey.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 05, 2012, 09:42:48 AM
I'm currently reading Michael Moorcock's The Black Corridor.

Thomas M Disch called this one of the best horror / sci-fi books in a back issue I have of The Twilight Zone Magazine. As I found myself without anything immediately jumping off my shelf, I grabbed this to read. Don't quite know what to make of it just yet.

I think a guy has fled the Earth to the stars with his family in hypersleep so they can escape a poisonous political climate only to go insane.

This is another super short one (166 pages), so I may finish today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2012, 09:55:29 PM
All She Was Worth was okay.

I'm currently re-reading Lolita and this re-read is a total eye opener. I haven't read it since I was in my late teens/early 20's but it's clear that Dolores was raped, so why does the term "lolita" suggest sexual promiscuity on the woman's part? It's pretty telling about our culture.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on January 07, 2012, 10:23:15 PM
The term is supposed to refer to young girls as objects of desire from an older man's point of view, or one that's sexually precocious beyond their years; not that they're necessarily promiscuous.  You're just thinking of the word incorrectly.



Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2012, 10:30:10 PM
Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 07, 2012, 10:53:43 PM
I'm currently reading Michael Moorcock's The Black Corridor.

Thomas M Disch called this one of the best horror / sci-fi books in a back issue I have of The Twilight Zone Magazine. As I found myself without anything immediately jumping off my shelf, I grabbed this to read. Don't quite know what to make of it just yet.

I think a guy has fled the Earth to the stars with his family in hypersleep so they can escape a poisonous political climate only to go insane.

This is another super short one (166 pages), so I may finish today or tomorrow.

 :bow
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2012, 11:02:10 PM
The term is supposed to refer to young girls as objects of desire from an older man's point of view, or one that's sexually precocious beyond their years; not that they're necessarily promiscuous.  You're just thinking of the word incorrectly.

Yeah, why do you think they call them loli rape sims, himu?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2012, 11:08:47 PM
I've never played one so I don't know :(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 08, 2012, 11:47:13 AM
Also, robo's explanation still doesn't make the term lolita any less creepy, as Humbert, who finds Delores desirable, is a pedophile. Unless of course, the term predates the novel.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 08, 2012, 12:22:32 PM
the novel is where it originated afaik.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 08, 2012, 01:23:47 PM
Fuckin' Under the Dome continues to just go and go and go and go and go and go and go and go and go and go and go and go...................................

thankfully i'm enjoying it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2012, 06:21:48 PM
Finally finished Marukami's Wind-Up Bird Chronicle. It was tough to push myself through the last third. Now onto Haldeman's Forever War. Pretty good so far. I like the idea of female soldiers being legally obligated to have sex with their male counterparts.

Man, Swift Posters For Truth are gonna have a field day attacking your future congressional run
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 09, 2012, 04:39:24 PM
Finished Dune last night. Loved it, but I did think it got a bit weaker closer to the end. Tempted to check out Dune Messiah. What do you guys think of the sequels?

Starting You Are Not So Smart based on the recommendation of the thread. Seems like some solid pop-psych.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2012, 09:06:22 PM
Finished Dune last night. Loved it, but I did think it got a bit weaker closer to the end. Tempted to check out Dune Messiah. What do you guys think of the sequels?

Starting You Are Not So Smart based on the recommendation of the thread. Seems like some solid pop-psych.

Messiah's OK, but call it a day after that.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 09, 2012, 10:30:38 PM
Cool, ok. Might just go ahead and check that out next while I`m still enthused.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Narag on January 09, 2012, 11:28:54 PM
Finished Dune last night. Loved it, but I did think it got a bit weaker closer to the end. Tempted to check out Dune Messiah. What do you guys think of the sequels?

Starting You Are Not So Smart based on the recommendation of the thread. Seems like some solid pop-psych.

Messiah's OK, but call it a day after that.

Sound advice.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: cool breeze on January 09, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
quick question about eink readers:  if I buy a nook touch, is there a way I can still use the amazon service? I like the nook touch more than the kindle touch, but Amazon seems like a way better seller and all that.

anyone have experience with it?

I ended up buying more physical sherlock books out of habit.  I want to go digital already and save space.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on January 10, 2012, 01:26:54 AM
Also, robo's explanation still doesn't make the term lolita any less creepy, as Humbert, who finds Delores desirable, is a pedophile. Unless of course, the term predates the novel.

Oh, it's definitely creepy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 10, 2012, 07:02:50 AM
quick question about eink readers:  if I buy a nook touch, is there a way I can still use the amazon service? I like the nook touch more than the kindle touch, but Amazon seems like a way better seller and all that.

anyone have experience with it?

I ended up buying more physical sherlock books out of habit.  I want to go digital already and save space.

You can't but it isn't easy unfortunately.  You'll need calibre, Amazon for Mac/Win and some plug ins.

http://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/ebooks-formats-drm-and-you-%E2%80%94-a-guide-for-the-perplexed/

I have a kindle, so I'm perfectly fine with using Amazon's service, never really found anything exclusive to Nook that I wanted so I haven't tried to cross the platforms like you're discussing so I can't offer any advice as far as that goes.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2012, 12:46:41 PM
Finished The Forever War. Found it on the NPR beginners' guide to sci-fi and fantasy that was posted here some time ago. Loved it! Great military sci-fi. Some really interesting concepts and of course a good (if a little simple) allegory. My first thought after reading it (besides "awww" [and how many military sci-fi books can you say that about?]) was that it would make a good movie. And it looks like Ridley Scott is making one! Hurray!

Voices of a Distant Star > The Forever War
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2012, 12:49:06 PM
Finished The Germline last night and it's a really fucking bleak military sci-fi book. 

Page after page of horrible things happening to confused people caught in the middle of a shitty war where both sides are losing to varying degrees. Our main character is an embedded war reported who is a junkie. Not an adrenaline junkie, but a flat out "I do too many drugs" junkie who becomes addicted to the chaos of war after convincing himself that he is worthless and is looking for suicide by war. It's a strange book with a strange main character.

It's doesn't devote loving paragraphs to the gear of the warriors, it doesn't pullback into operational overviews. It concentrates on these almost disconnected, horrifying scenes of just wanton death and pain. I don't read a lot of military sci-fi so I don't know if this is common, but it doesn't really mesh with the touchstones of which I am familiar.

I didn't quite like the end because I felt that it was a bit too clean a wrap up for the few hundred pages of chaos which had just come before. The "happy" ending really seems to run counter to the rest of the book and I felt it would have been better if it had been dropped.

There's another book coming in the series next month but I don't think I'll jump into it the day it's released.

From there I moved into Ann and Jeff VanDerMeer's The Weird. I stupidly took this thing on the train today and that was a huge mistake. It's 1125 pages long and it's a bit larger than your average trade and weighs 4 pounds. Each book page is laid out with dual columns to make reading a bit easier but it's just too unweildy. I may keep this one at home to read.

I also toyed around with War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning but once past the introduction I was glad that I had found this on the street for free rather than paid for it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 11, 2012, 01:15:59 PM
Reading Gone to Texas, which is the book The Outlaw Josey Wales is based on. It's okay. Josey Wales is more of an actual outlaw in the beginning, as opposed to just being wronged by the Redlegs. He's also a lot more talkative.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2012, 03:26:18 PM
I'm not intrigued enough to read the next book in the series.  The thought of genetically enhanced 18 year old killer girls who just want to love is a hair too anime for my tastes.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 12, 2012, 02:21:46 PM
Finished The Forever War. Found it on the NPR beginners' guide to sci-fi and fantasy that was posted here some time ago. Loved it! Great military sci-fi. Some really interesting concepts and of course a good (if a little simple) allegory. My first thought after reading it (besides "awww" [and how many military sci-fi books can you say that about?]) was that it would make a good movie. And it looks like Ridley Scott is making one! Hurray!

You should check out Forever Peace, next. Excellent book by the same author.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on January 12, 2012, 11:13:53 PM
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What book(s) are you reading?

My textbooks...  :(

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What book(s) would you like to be reading?

Anything but my textbooks.  I want to finish AFFC and another one of the Primal Blueprint books.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2012, 10:31:35 PM
(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41i35ZRpS-L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU09_.jpg)

:bow

OMFG why did I wait so long to start reading this

And why are all the lame gamers who read one game/geek media-related book a year (looking at YOU Ready Player One // Hunger Games // Game of Thrones!) not creaming all over this? It's the most interesting exploration of game design I've seen yet.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 16, 2012, 09:21:10 AM
(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41i35ZRpS-L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU09_.jpg)

:bow

OMFG why did I wait so long to start reading this

And why are all the lame gamers who read one game/geek media-related book a year (looking at YOU Ready Player One // Hunger Games // Game of Thrones!) not creaming all over this? It's the most interesting exploration of game design I've seen yet.

Damn, I just read a synopsis of this, and now I want to read it right now. TO THE NOOKMOBILE!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 16, 2012, 01:31:56 PM
My Nook was at home, so I spent about 30 minutes of my lunch break reading on the Nook app for my iPhone.

(http://i.imgur.com/Y2F4k.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 17, 2012, 04:43:18 PM
Just finished Blindsight, that was fucking awesome, I love me some good hard sci-fi and the way he worked vampires into it  :lol

On to REAMDE
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on January 17, 2012, 06:46:06 PM
Le Carre's The Looking Glass War - First Le Carre reading for myself. The constant simile comparisons get on my nerves at times, but I am enjoying it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2012, 02:31:50 AM
Finished re-reading Lolita. I see the novel in a completely different light now that I'm older.

For the last book of January...I'm not sure what I should go for, but I may start...The Hunger Games. *gulp* I hope it's not shit.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 20, 2012, 03:11:37 AM
Half way through Dune Messiah. I dunno. It's not grabbing me. I'll probably trudge through the rest of it since it's so short, but I'll probably recommend to friends not to bother.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 20, 2012, 03:13:09 AM
After this I'm considering either reading some Holmes mysteries or reading Born to Run since I've been getting into running lately and runners treat it like their bible.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 22, 2012, 06:24:35 PM
The Hunger Games is surprisingly enjoyable. Nothing great but it's not pap either.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 23, 2012, 08:58:45 AM
Currently reading A Merrit's The Moon Pool.  I was reading about people who are under appreciated in Genre Fiction and this name popped up. I know the name but don't think I've ever read anything by him even though he was once so famous he had his own magazine (A. Merrit's Fantasy).  This was written in 1919 and it right now reads like a pre-Lovecraftian Mythos books.  Scientists exploring an island in the pacific discover a place with great stone slabs.  A place the locals dare not go on the nights of the full moon.  The scientists scoff and hang out.  Then a door opens and something begins to steal the scientists.

Pretty good so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Inspector Thatcher on January 23, 2012, 10:48:19 PM
the first ten books of Confucius. It's a small, light (read: in weight) book that fits nicely in my purse for when I encounter subway delays.

Transit Philosophy Reading: Confucius might say "what a way to put the transit jackasses out of mind"
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2012, 10:55:44 PM
Confucious thought is fantastic. Lemme know what you think about it!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 25, 2012, 08:12:18 PM
just finished consider phelbas.  It was OK.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 29, 2012, 12:12:32 PM
just finished consider phelbas.  It was OK.

You should really stop messing around with those cheap eHorseBooks knockoffs, and just read the original Consider Phlebas. It's worth it to spend the extra money just to get the correct spelling.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 29, 2012, 12:20:53 PM
That's the Canadian spelling.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Narag on January 29, 2012, 03:19:53 PM
just finished consider phelbas.  It was OK.

I've been trying to read this for a year or two now. Anytime it feels engaging it drops right off for me and I can't bring myself to pick it back up again.  I heard the other Culture books were better at least.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 29, 2012, 03:24:36 PM
Ya, it's very uneven.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on February 02, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
I finished The Hunger Games. It was alright, but I'm not sure if it was good enough that I'd actively seek out reading the rest of the trilogy.

I'm in the mood for improving my career chances so I've "purchased" from the  this book internet store. I hate being poor.

http://www.amazon.com/Pick-Me-Breaking-Advertising-Staying/dp/0471715573/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1328234210&sr=8-9

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515KH82Y6NL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

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Post by: CajoleJuice on February 03, 2012, 03:24:53 AM
Did I mention I finished this?

(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm102144869/rise-fall-third-reich-history-nazi-germany-william-l-shirer-paperback-cover-art.jpg)

Mother of Christ this book fucking owned. Wish I read it ten years ago. Holy shit.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 03, 2012, 03:30:08 AM
ugh, i've had a copy of that for seriously about 15 years now. My high school history teacher sold me on it but it's such a depressing topic I have never gotten around to starting it. Really got to read it now.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on February 04, 2012, 01:42:13 AM
What are the best books on WW1?
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Post by: Barry Egan on February 05, 2012, 03:59:59 PM
(http://blog.lemuriabooks.com/wp-content/uploads/death-of-the-adversary.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QXTNAFmETK4/TOU80ax_tCI/AAAAAAAACSs/eDxHnyxYE6I/s1600/Jacket.aspx.jpeg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2012, 04:10:01 PM
The best book.  And it's by Martin Gilbert.

http://www.amazon.com/First-World-War-Complete-History/dp/0805047344 (http://www.amazon.com/First-World-War-Complete-History/dp/0805047344)

Does it cover the aftermath of the war and its effects on us today?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2012, 08:04:24 PM
Finished Reamde. Best thriller ever. Most entertaining book I've read in several years. Go read if you like fun.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 05, 2012, 08:47:53 PM
I think I hate the book I'm reading right now.

Quote from: The Anatomist's Apprentice
Meet Dr. Thomas Silkstone, an intriguing addition to the annals of detective fiction.

In eighteenth-century England, the murder of Sir Edward Crick sends a torrent of gossip breezing through Oxfordshire; although, aside from his sister, Lady Lydia Farrell, few mourn the young man. When Lady Farrell's husband becomes the prime suspect in the murder, she enlists the help of Dr. Thomas Silkstone--an anatomist and pioneering forensic detective--to solve the murder and prove his innocence.

Though Dr. Silkstone studied medicine in England under the foremost surgeon in the region, his unconventional methods and unfamiliar field of study have made him an outsider. Still, he agrees to examine Sir Edward's corpse, but the keenest blade he will use is his intellect. He must determine both the cause and motive of this suspicious death in what will be the first of many cases.

It's really blah.

oh hey, both Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner are in this episode of The Man from Uncle.  Wild coincidence.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 12, 2012, 03:40:51 AM
Did I mention I finished this?

(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm102144869/rise-fall-third-reich-history-nazi-germany-william-l-shirer-paperback-cover-art.jpg)

Mother of Christ this book fucking owned. Wish I read it ten years ago. Holy shit.

I read it a few years ago.  It was amazing.

Anyway...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sJp6c91Z1gM/TYvDSQoWk0I/AAAAAAAAB18/OYp3Vl0ikVI/s1600/Jay-Z%2BEmpire%2BBook.jpg)

I really, really regret buying this.  I'm not a big fan of Jay-Z but there's no substance to be had with this book.  While I do think Jay-Z has some entrepreneurial skills, it seems to be discussed in a surface manner.  I wanted some real in depth shit.  My fault.

(http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/newsweek/2010/09/26/mao-s-great-famine/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage_0.img.jpg/1285276663537.jpg)

Great read and probably the first book about this subject using (limited) archived records, which exposes additional layers of insidious behavior during this time period.  I find Communist history fascinating so naturally, I'll read this even though this is probably the fourth or fifth book I've read about Mao's reign in China.

(http://lawkangjie.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/nothing-to-envy-by-barbara-demick.jpg?w=500)

Another great book.  Having read a lot of stuff about NK (what little information there is that we know of), I didn't get this at first because I've read dozens of various defector testimonials.  I recommend reading it.
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Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2012, 07:52:43 AM

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sJp6c91Z1gM/TYvDSQoWk0I/AAAAAAAAB18/OYp3Vl0ikVI/s1600/Jay-Z%2BEmpire%2BBook.jpg)

I really, really regret buying this.  I'm not a big fan of Jay-Z but there's no substance to be had with this book.  While I do think Jay-Z has some entrepreneurial skills, it seems to be discussed in a surface manner.  I wanted some real in depth shit.  My fault.



Check this book out if you can

http://www.amazon.com/Big-Payback-History-Business-Hip-Hop/dp/0451229290

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The Big Payback takes us from the first $15 made by a "rapping DJ" in 1970s New York to the recent multi-million-dollar sales of the Phat Farm and Roc-a-Wear clothing companies in 2004 and 2007. On this four-decade-long journey from the studios where the first rap records were made to the boardrooms where the big deals were inked, The Big Payback tallies the list of who lost and who won. Read the secret histories of the early long-shot successes of Sugar Hill Records and Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC's crossover breakthrough on MTV, the marketing of gangsta rap, and the rise of artist/ entrepreneurs like Jay-Z and Sean "Diddy" Combs.

300 industry veterans-well-known giants like Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons, the founders of Def Jam, and key insiders like Gerald Levin, the embattled former Time Warner chief-gave their stories to renowned hip-hop journalist Dan Charnas, who provides a compelling, never-before seen, myth-debunking view into the victories, defeats, corporate clashes, and street battles along the 40-year road to hip-hop's dominance.

The sections on Diddy and Jay-Z are really fascinating reads as is the one on MC Hammer.  Dude had some hustle.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 12, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
That is the kind of book I wanted to read.  Got the Kindle version.  Thanks for the recommendation.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 12, 2012, 12:44:32 PM
Exession's ending was sooo dull.  Look to windward up next.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on February 12, 2012, 01:31:36 PM
REAMDE is terrific fun, don't be out off by the length!

Just started ALCHEMISTS OF KUSH by Minister Faust. I'm not sure where it's going, but it seems to combine hip-hop, magic, and jujitsu.
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Post by: Boogie on February 12, 2012, 07:16:44 PM
The best book.  And it's by Martin Gilbert.

http://www.amazon.com/First-World-War-Complete-History/dp/0805047344 (http://www.amazon.com/First-World-War-Complete-History/dp/0805047344)

Does it cover the aftermath of the war and its effects on us today?

For the aftermath, try Paris 1919 by Margaret Macmillan.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on February 12, 2012, 07:21:26 PM
The best book.  And it's by Martin Gilbert.

http://www.amazon.com/First-World-War-Complete-History/dp/0805047344 (http://www.amazon.com/First-World-War-Complete-History/dp/0805047344)

thanks man

also, thanks boogie. i've had my eye on that for a while.
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Post by: Boogie on February 12, 2012, 09:00:35 PM
I'm currently about 3/4 of the way through Yalta: the Price of Peace by S.M. Plokhy.  Great book, but gets a little bogged down in these later pages.  Still, fascinating to see the diplomatic duelling and the interplay between Stalin, FDR, and Churchill.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 23, 2012, 09:48:13 PM
Thanks to tons of boring conference calls at work, I've been using a lot of the Kindle app on the iPhone, with my Kindle showing 11 books read so far in the past month or so.  So I've been tearing through books like how I tear through your mom's asshole.

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This is a fun and light read.  There's a lot to the internet that I didn't know apparently going from the internet subcultures described here.  The downside is that there are too many personal anecdotes that Zack has put in there.  Surely there must be plenty of fertile ground of fucked up internet freaks and losers to write about?  It's a good book.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on February 23, 2012, 10:01:19 PM
Im trying to be all smart- put down the warhammer for a book, reading East of Eden- good book so far.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 23, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
I started A Dance With Dragons the other day.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on February 25, 2012, 06:43:04 AM
Im trying to be all smart- put down the warhammer for a book, reading East of Eden- good book so far.

I've had this book for years but every time I picked it up it's been at the wrong time that I've never in the mood for delving into something non goofy.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on February 25, 2012, 02:37:40 PM
Im trying to be all smart- put down the warhammer for a book, reading East of Eden- good book so far.

I've had this book for years but every time I picked it up it's been at the wrong time that I've never in the mood for delving into something non goofy.

Its pretty great so far
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Post by: Eric P on February 27, 2012, 09:23:02 AM
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A mind-bending novel in which an alternate history of 9/11 and its aftermath uncovers startling truths about America and the Middle East

11/9/2001: Christian fundamentalists hijack four jetliners. They fly two into the Tigris & Euphrates World Trade Towers in Baghdad, and a third into the Arab Defense Ministry in Riyadh. The fourth plane, believed to be bound for Mecca, is brought down by its passengers.

The United Arab States declares a War on Terror. Arabian and Persian troops invade the Eastern Seaboard and establish a Green Zone in Washington, D.C. . . .

Summer, 2009: Arab Homeland Security agent Mustafa al Baghdadi interrogates a captured suicide bomber. The prisoner claims that the world they are living in is a mirage—in the real world, America is a superpower, and the Arab states are just a collection of "backward third-world countries." A search of the bomber's apartment turns up a copy of The New York Times, dated September 12, 2001, that appears to support his claim. Other captured terrorists have been telling the same story. The president wants answers, but Mustafa soon discovers he's not the only interested party.

The gangster Saddam Hussein is conducting his own investigation. And the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee—a war hero named Osama bin Laden—will stop at nothing to hide the truth. As Mustafa and his colleagues venture deeper into the unsettling world of terrorism, politics, and espionage, they are confronted with questions without any rational answers, and the terrifying possibility that their world is not what it seems.

Acclaimed novelist Matt Ruff has created a shadow world that is eerily recognizable but, at the same time, almost unimaginable. Gripping, subversive, and unexpectedly moving, The Mirage probes our deepest convictions and most arresting fears.

I just started it on the train today, so I don't have a solid opinion yet.  It reads very quickly though and I am quite enjoying it and am curious to see how it turns out.
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Post by: chronovore on February 27, 2012, 07:44:48 PM
Ruff's a good writer, but this Man in the High Castle-esque riff is probably going to get him Salman Rushdie'd. Except with Americans.
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Post by: Eric P on February 28, 2012, 11:34:02 AM
I've only read Bad Monkeys and this so I don't have much experience with the guy.  Really enjoying Mirage but I get the subtle nagging feeling that this was written for an audience, an audience into which i fall squarely, and so I get to enjoy it.  I'm curious what non-Americans would think of this.  It feels slight; like a less funny Christopher Buckley book.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 28, 2012, 11:55:58 AM
dance with dragons is way better than feast for crows. way way better.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 28, 2012, 07:46:54 PM
Dance with Dragons spoiler theory question:
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Is Coldhands Benjen Stark?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2012, 11:47:32 PM
Dance with Dragons spoiler theory question:
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Is Coldhands Benjen Stark?
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I don't think so. At one point the child of the forest mentions that Coldhands died "long ago." That could mean he died a couple years ago in which case it could be Benjen, but I got the impression it mean long ago as in ages ago; plus, considering the child was hundreds of years old, I doubt 2-3 years would qualify as "long ago" to her.

The only candidates I see thrown around are Benjen, Stonesnake (the ranger who was with Jon and Halfhand in ACOK, and climbed into the mountains to return to the Wall; the appendices still list him as being alive), and the Night's King. The Westeros forum has some crazy theories
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Post by: Eric P on March 13, 2012, 09:17:51 AM
The Man From Primrose Lane is fucking insane.  I'm about 250 pages into it and it just kicked up the crazy and the book took a wild turn into this strange landscape.  I hesitate to say more about it, because it really should be discovered on its own, but I am just loving it so far.

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A mind-bending, genre-twisting debut novel

In West Akron, Ohio, there lived a reclusive elderly man who always wore mittens, even in July. He had no friends and no family; all over town, he was known as the Man from Primrose Lane. And on a summer day, someone murdered him.

Fast-forward four years. David Neff, the bestselling author of a true-crime book about an Ohio serial killer, is a broken man after his wife’s inexplicable suicide. When an unexpected visit from an old friend introduces him to the strange mystery of “the man with a thousand mittens,” David decides to investigate. What he finds draws him back into a world he thought he had left behind forever. And the closer David gets to uncovering the true identity of the Man from Primrose Lane, the more he begins to understand the dangerous power of his own obsessions and how they may be connected to the deaths of both the old hermit and his beloved wife.

Deviously plotted and full of dark wit, James Renner’s The Man from Primrose Lane is an audacious debut that boasts as many twists as a roller coaster. But beneath its turns, it’s a spellbinding story about our obsessions: the dangerous sway they have over us and the fates of those we love.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 13, 2012, 10:50:25 AM
Finished Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Wow. I've had the opportunity to read a lot of books on this deployments. A lot of them have been really good. Some have been entertaining, some have been interesting, some have been informative, but this is the most interesting book I've read in the last year. It took me a little longer than usual because I couldn't read it straight through. I could only read a chapter or two, and then I would have to put it down and think about it for just as long as I read for. I don't think I've ever actually read any books on philosophy before, unless Sidartha counts. Consider me mindfucked.

That book rocked my tiny, teen-aged mind back when I read it in high school.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 13, 2012, 12:39:45 PM
Was sick and read the Hunger Games (it took me about a day a book - and I'm a slow reader). Enjoyable.

:shrug
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
Finished Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Wow. I've had the opportunity to read a lot of books on this deployments. A lot of them have been really good. Some have been entertaining, some have been interesting, some have been informative, but this is the most interesting book I've read in the last year. It took me a little longer than usual because I couldn't read it straight through. I could only read a chapter or two, and then I would have to put it down and think about it for just as long as I read for. I don't think I've ever actually read any books on philosophy before, unless Sidartha counts. Consider me mindfucked.

Pretty amazing, isn't it. I didn't get much out of the follow-up though.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 14, 2012, 08:23:19 PM
Finished Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Wow. I've had the opportunity to read a lot of books on this deployments. A lot of them have been really good. Some have been entertaining, some have been interesting, some have been informative, but this is the most interesting book I've read in the last year. It took me a little longer than usual because I couldn't read it straight through. I could only read a chapter or two, and then I would have to put it down and think about it for just as long as I read for. I don't think I've ever actually read any books on philosophy before, unless Sidartha counts. Consider me mindfucked.

Most people who do read philosophy will say you still haven't read a philosophy book.  Though I've never read Zen so I can't confirm if it's true.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 08:41:07 PM
It's not a textbook, no but it qualifies as a 'book on philosophy' though, just like 'Sophie's Choice'. At the very least it's a novel of ideas.
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Post by: Eric P on March 15, 2012, 07:08:03 AM
finished The Man from Primrose Lane last night and it is really, really, really, really good.  an excellent mind bending sci-fi mystery.

now i'm reading will mcintoshs Soft Apocalypse which is about people in their 20s trying to survive the collapse of the United States.  It's treating the apocalypse much like the last 3 years turned up to 11.  Huge unemployment, bands of modern gypsies, people with humanities degrees living in the street with one another just to survive etc.

edit: jesus christ this book is depressing.  it's about people caught in the middle of the collapse, not some hard nosed survivalists, it's about people  just trying to get by which makes it all the more gut wrenching; that slow steady and inescapable decline where there is no way out and there are no winners.
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Post by: chronovore on March 15, 2012, 10:41:32 PM
That book rocked my tiny, teen-aged mind back when I read it in high school.

Well it just rocked my tiny mid-20s mind. :(

That was when I read it, too. It's very good. It was a favorite book of a high school friend of mine who passed early, due to illness. Anyone who says it's not a philosophical book can ponder the meaning of existential pain as delivered by the tips of my boots.
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Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on March 24, 2012, 05:10:46 AM
Reading The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time right now.

Great stuff so far. Cast Ulillillia as Christopher for the film adaptation.
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Post by: Big Barry Jazz on March 24, 2012, 07:55:19 AM
What would be the Asimov books I really need to check out? I've already gone through most the Foundation series, and although I felt there was quite a drop off after the first couple of books I wasn't dissapointed in any of them. I've also read Fountains of Paradise which I really enjoyed, but after that I'm a blank slate and wouldn't mind checking out more of his stuff.

A friend recently lent me a copy of To Say Nothing of the Dog. Surprised I haven't heard of the author before since she's picked up some crazy number of sci-fi awards. The book was mostly about time travel and the protagonist trying to cope with life in victorian england. It's a lot of fun and comes across as a homage to victorian comedies like the Jeeves books and Three Men In A Boat, but with a bit of a mystery element thrown in as well. If you're looking for some light sci-fi with a bit of comedy then you could do far worse than this.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2012, 11:57:42 AM
What would be the Asimov books I really need to check out? I've already gone through most the Foundation series, and although I felt there was quite a drop off after the first couple of books I wasn't dissapointed in any of them. I've also read Fountains of Paradise which I really enjoyed, but after that I'm a blank slate and wouldn't mind checking out more of his stuff.

I, Robot?
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Post by: Big Barry Jazz on March 24, 2012, 02:00:17 PM
I, Robot?

I think I was put off by the film, which I now know is a damn fool reason otherwise I'd believe I Am Legend is trash. I'll pick it up on the next trip to the library.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 02, 2012, 10:19:12 AM
I started The Girl Who Played with Fire. I didn't read the first book (just watched the movie) so hopefully it was accurate enough where I won't miss anything.

Pretty early on but it's cool.
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Post by: Himu on April 02, 2012, 02:06:59 PM
A bit behind on my read 50 books goal, but I'm up to 13 read so far, which is pretty solid.

Currently reading:

Caitlin R. Kiernan's The Drowning Girl

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Marty Neumeier's The Brand Gap: How to Bridge the Distance Between Business Strategy and Design

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Fred Rogers' Dear Mr. Rogers, Does It Ever Rain in Your Neighborhood?: Letters to Mr. Rogers

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I'm reading The Brand Gap for work and it may very well have changed or influenced a part of my thinking Highly recommended for anyone who operates within a production/art/business related profession.

I also highly suggest the Fred Rogers book if you're looking for something to help you grow as a person or wisdom.
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Post by: Groogrux on April 03, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
Finished Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Wow. I've had the opportunity to read a lot of books on this deployments. A lot of them have been really good. Some have been entertaining, some have been interesting, some have been informative, but this is the most interesting book I've read in the last year. It took me a little longer than usual because I couldn't read it straight through. I could only read a chapter or two, and then I would have to put it down and think about it for just as long as I read for. I don't think I've ever actually read any books on philosophy before, unless Sidartha counts. Consider me mindfucked.

I've got that on my list of books to read.  Also been told to read The Dharma Bums.  Apparently it's right on the same level. 

Just finished (finally) A Feast for Crows and I can't decide if I want to go ahead and read ADWD or burn through The Hunger Games and the rest of that trilogy.

Thoughts, readingBore?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2012, 12:49:36 AM
ADWD is pretty good, but it's rather long and some POVs (*cough* Dany) gets repetitive.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 04, 2012, 09:17:09 AM
Guess what? I got a fever, and the only prescription is more Cthulhu.

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Read the first two stories; the first one was by China Mielville and it was pretty good, the second one was by some random dude and it was lame. Such is the way.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 04, 2012, 09:28:30 AM
The Hunger Games is a good pallet cleaner before you dive into ADWD.
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Post by: Robo on April 04, 2012, 12:41:31 PM
The Dharma Bums is a difficult read, I found.  Difficult, as in, incredibly irritating.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 04, 2012, 03:28:44 PM
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A mind-bending novel in which an alternate history of 9/11 and its aftermath uncovers startling truths about America and the Middle East

11/9/2001: Christian fundamentalists hijack four jetliners. They fly two into the Tigris & Euphrates World Trade Towers in Baghdad, and a third into the Arab Defense Ministry in Riyadh. The fourth plane, believed to be bound for Mecca, is brought down by its passengers.

The United Arab States declares a War on Terror. Arabian and Persian troops invade the Eastern Seaboard and establish a Green Zone in Washington, D.C. . . .

Summer, 2009: Arab Homeland Security agent Mustafa al Baghdadi interrogates a captured suicide bomber. The prisoner claims that the world they are living in is a mirage—in the real world, America is a superpower, and the Arab states are just a collection of "backward third-world countries." A search of the bomber's apartment turns up a copy of The New York Times, dated September 12, 2001, that appears to support his claim. Other captured terrorists have been telling the same story. The president wants answers, but Mustafa soon discovers he's not the only interested party.

The gangster Saddam Hussein is conducting his own investigation. And the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee—a war hero named Osama bin Laden—will stop at nothing to hide the truth. As Mustafa and his colleagues venture deeper into the unsettling world of terrorism, politics, and espionage, they are confronted with questions without any rational answers, and the terrifying possibility that their world is not what it seems.

Acclaimed novelist Matt Ruff has created a shadow world that is eerily recognizable but, at the same time, almost unimaginable. Gripping, subversive, and unexpectedly moving, The Mirage probes our deepest convictions and most arresting fears.

I just started it on the train today, so I don't have a solid opinion yet.  It reads very quickly though and I am quite enjoying it and am curious to see how it turns out.

I thought that Osama (http://www.amazon.com/Osama-ebook/dp/B005OSXJO2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1333567697&sr=8-3) was a much better, more haunting take on very similar themes. Would strongly recommend (free to read for Prime members!)

Bookmarked The Man on Primrose Lane for later. Have also heard good things about The Drowned Girl.

I'm finishing up The Name of the Rose (for the first time, believe it or not) now. Somehow nobody told me it was a about an AWESOME SCIENCE DETECTIVE investigating the MYSTERY OF THE LIBRARY TESSERACT and mostly focused on how accurately it depicted 14th century complines zzzzz.

On a Vance kick; books in the Vance Integral Edition started getting converted to $6 eBooks, so that's rad.

Picked up Anathem for $1.99, though apparently I should just skip to REAMDE by all accounts.
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Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2012, 04:34:01 PM
Haunting?  Boy, if I want Haunting, I'd pick up some Shirley Jackson.  I wanted CSI: ALTERNAMUSLIM PEW PEW and that's what I got.

I just finished Threats by Amelia Gray and really liked it.  I also liked Soft Apocalypse by Will McIntosh.  I have his new book Hitchers on my shelf waiting to be read, but that's like 4 books down the pile.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 11, 2012, 10:12:06 PM
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Excellent read- does a good job identifying the key events that created an environment where things like Iran-Contra, military privatization, and the gradual militarization of the CIA can occur, and how disconnecting americans from the sacrifice of war has promoted endless engagements.

I think my favorite thing about this book is how she pretty much skipped the beaten-to-death 9/11-post 9/11 GW Bush era issues to focus on what's currently going on in the Obama admin (drones, strike on osama in pakistan, etc..).

This book is more about the current American attitude towards war and how it got this way- not about right versus left. We ALL suck! Also its easy to read for people like me who buy more WarHammer 40k books than anything else ;)
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Post by: Beezy on April 11, 2012, 10:50:44 PM
I'll check that out. I like all things war related, but I almost never watch or read about anything that happened recently.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 12, 2012, 12:21:18 AM
Live from New York - I don't watch SNL at all but I bought it because I heard people liked to ravage Chevy Chase.  For the record, I never thought Chevy Chase was that funny (a rare thing communitytards and myself agree on) and to have a book where not one good thing was said about him was worth a couple of bucks.

This makes book #27 for the year.  I'm really enjoying reading Kindle books on my iPhone and laptop.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on April 13, 2012, 11:01:33 AM
started to the lighthouse by virginia woolf last night, only 30 pages but the prose reminds me a bit of malcolm lowry which is nice! was on a short story kick before this: read the death of ivan ilyich and other stories by tolstoy, happy ever after was meh but ivan ilyich and cossacks were awesome. the turn of the screw and the aspern papers by henry james, i still don't really know how i feel this, at times i would think james has captured an emotion and character amazingly and at other times his prose felt awkward. the complete short novels by anton chekhov, the steppe starts of really slow and had me baffled as to why this man is praised so highly specifically for his short stories but fuck the last 2 or 3 chapters get really good and the quality persists throughout the collection, every bit as good as gogol's short stories imo
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 13, 2012, 03:43:13 PM
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A mind-bending novel in which an alternate history of 9/11 and its aftermath uncovers startling truths about America and the Middle East

11/9/2001: Christian fundamentalists hijack four jetliners. They fly two into the Tigris & Euphrates World Trade Towers in Baghdad, and a third into the Arab Defense Ministry in Riyadh. The fourth plane, believed to be bound for Mecca, is brought down by its passengers.

The United Arab States declares a War on Terror. Arabian and Persian troops invade the Eastern Seaboard and establish a Green Zone in Washington, D.C. . . .

Summer, 2009: Arab Homeland Security agent Mustafa al Baghdadi interrogates a captured suicide bomber. The prisoner claims that the world they are living in is a mirage—in the real world, America is a superpower, and the Arab states are just a collection of "backward third-world countries." A search of the bomber's apartment turns up a copy of The New York Times, dated September 12, 2001, that appears to support his claim. Other captured terrorists have been telling the same story. The president wants answers, but Mustafa soon discovers he's not the only interested party.

The gangster Saddam Hussein is conducting his own investigation. And the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee—a war hero named Osama bin Laden—will stop at nothing to hide the truth. As Mustafa and his colleagues venture deeper into the unsettling world of terrorism, politics, and espionage, they are confronted with questions without any rational answers, and the terrifying possibility that their world is not what it seems.

Acclaimed novelist Matt Ruff has created a shadow world that is eerily recognizable but, at the same time, almost unimaginable. Gripping, subversive, and unexpectedly moving, The Mirage probes our deepest convictions and most arresting fears.

I just started it on the train today, so I don't have a solid opinion yet.  It reads very quickly though and I am quite enjoying it and am curious to see how it turns out.

I thought that Osama (http://www.amazon.com/Osama-ebook/dp/B005OSXJO2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1333567697&sr=8-3) was a much better, more haunting take on very similar themes. Would strongly recommend (free to read for Prime members!)

Bookmarked The Man on Primrose Lane for later. Have also heard good things about The Drowned Girl.

I'm finishing up The Name of the Rose (for the first time, believe it or not) now. Somehow nobody told me it was a about an AWESOME SCIENCE DETECTIVE investigating the MYSTERY OF THE LIBRARY TESSERACT and mostly focused on how accurately it depicted 14th century complines zzzzz.

On a Vance kick; books in the Vance Integral Edition started getting converted to $6 eBooks, so that's rad.

Picked up Anathem for $1.99, though apparently I should just skip to REAMDE by all accounts.

Ruff was on Seattle NPR a while back talking abou the book. I love alternate history novels like this, so I'm interested, but will proabably wait until it shows up at Half Price Boks.
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Post by: Eric P on April 13, 2012, 04:30:20 PM
I'm reading The Expats by Chris Pavone.  Loving wife is former CIA spy who has trouble adjusting to normal life once she retires.  It's a total summer read, so it's heavy on plot plot plot, but I'm enjoying it well enough.

I just finished reading The Vanishers which is about female psychodrama and it was fucking excellent.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 13, 2012, 04:31:32 PM
As a reward for finishing a whole book not about murdering filthy xenos in the name of the emperor- I nookbook'ed Mirage
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Post by: Eric P on April 13, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
this is about murdering filthy foreigners in the name of allah!
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 13, 2012, 04:34:59 PM
I guess it's not much of a change then- it also makes what I normally read sound way more intellectual too
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 14, 2012, 12:56:40 AM
i just finished The Girl Who Played with Fire.

the book is a very engaging and well written. luckily the fincher movie is pretty accurate so there wasnt much i missed by not reading the first book. though i may go back and do that anyway.

theres a few instances where it seems characters will come to conclusions for arbitrary reasons. like eiher by sheer luck or for no other reason then that particular moment being best for the plot.

that being said its very entertaining, tells a pretty good crime story and when the pieces start coming together it does seem that real thought was put into developing the "puzzle" of it all.

sooo on to the final book. ive read that its apparently the best of the three so im looking forward to starting it.
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Post by: lordmaji on April 14, 2012, 05:31:30 AM
I just started this one a week ago... seems alright so far, seems a bit simple though. But whatever. On ward!
(http://img2.imagesbn.com/images/147970000/147978652.JPG)
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Post by: Eric P on April 14, 2012, 10:00:44 AM
just wrapped The Expats this morning.  total airport reading, but really entertaining.  the final chunk of the book is everyone talking about how clever they are with their various machinations so it kind of ground the book to a halt.  can't wait for hollywood to ruin the film version.
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Post by: Big Barry Jazz on April 14, 2012, 11:57:03 AM
Just got round to reading Iain M banks latest Culture novel, Surface Detail. The premise is that some societies have taken it upon themselves to create Hells in virtual reality to which citizens can be sent when they die. There is now a 'War in Heaven' to decide whether these Hells should continue to exist.

It's a slow start with several disparate plot points that mostly converge to an explosive finale, so pretty much par for the course for a Culture story. I did get the feeling that it needed more of an editor's influence as there were quite a few moments that felt completely superfluous. There is one character who feels like is meant to be a major part of the story, but by the end has done nothing that was relevant to the plot, just that Banks had thought up these set-pieces for her to be part of and he was unwilling to drop them. The ending was a little too neat with everybody getting what they deserved, but at least it wasn't as sudden and depressing as it was in the last Culture book.

If you're already a fan of the series then you're probably going to enjoy this book, but I'm not sure if it's a good jumping on point to anyone who's new to it. There is certainly quite a bit of terminolgy used that might be off-putting if you aren't already familiar with it.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2012, 05:47:44 PM
Use Of Weapons is generally regarded as the best jumping point to enter the series right? I loved that book
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Post by: Eric P on April 14, 2012, 06:22:20 PM
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/food/10642013-large.jpg)

100 pages in and it's already depressing me.
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Post by: Big Barry Jazz on April 14, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Use Of Weapons is generally regarded as the best jumping point to enter the series right? I loved that book

Yeah, that's an excellent suggestion. Most of it's from the viewpoint of an outsider to the Culture so you learn stuff with him. Also probably my favourite of the series. A lot of people absolutely hated the twist at the end though.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 16, 2012, 12:40:44 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51K6koXXSyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Stalker-Night-Lords-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849701490/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS?ie=UTF8&coliid=I144GZ0MC2J0TW&colid=2QM6L71N76HFT

Latest (and last?) book in the Night Lords series is out this month. Even if you're new to Warhammer 40k this series is a great entry point imo.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41rY9D7LzQL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PPEU1rwpL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51K6koXXSyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Aaron is also behind the next Grey Knights book- and I love me some Grey Knights.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ku7IvIHML._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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Post by: Big Barry Jazz on April 17, 2012, 02:41:00 AM
Goddam, there are so many warhammer novels. I was originally thinking of getting into the Horus Heresy series when it wrapped up and some omnibuses were released, but they're still churning them out. Doesn't help that friends tell me the quality has started to vary dramatically. Last 40K book I read was Daemon World which was a pleasant surprise given I went in with fairly low expectations.
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Post by: Beezy on April 17, 2012, 02:57:20 AM
I don't remember when or how I got it (doesn't look like I paid for it), but I read The Score by Richard Stark on my kindle over the two days. Fun lil story. I'll have to look into the other Parker novels.

Also finished Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes last week. I had read about a third of Good Calories, Bad Calories last year, but all the in depth research and medical descriptions made me lose interest. This was a much more straightforward read. Now I'm back to avoiding carbs and checking the nutrition facts on everything. :lol

I need more books. I haven't been too into games lately. :(
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 17, 2012, 03:07:23 AM
Best fantasy book I have read since the Magician.

US cover
(http://www.patrickrothfuss.com/images/page/cover_277.jpg)

EU cover
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-B2GCfir26So/T1Ykj40qoRI/AAAAAAAAC4c/YHAIzdV_oh0/s1600/the-name-of-the-wind.jpg)

Other?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V73c9Avfduk/TSRq-57vhhI/AAAAAAAAAlA/hZ2tsMwN8iY/s1600/the-name-of-the-wind.jpg)
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2012, 03:13:47 AM
Horus Heresy is something you get into later, start with the various series, find your favorite authors.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 17, 2012, 03:15:03 AM
Avoid Gav Thorpe's stuff. He's boring.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on April 17, 2012, 06:47:37 AM
http://www.pulitzer.org/ what's up with there being no award for fiction?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2012, 09:51:35 AM
http://www.pulitzer.org/ what's up with there being no award for fiction?

There's a panel that selects finalists for each category and then the finalists are presented to the Pulitzer board. If the board doesn't like any of the nominations, then no one wins. (I know this from reading about Gravity's Rainbow, which was unanimously nominated by the fiction panel, but then rejected by the board)
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Post by: Huff on April 17, 2012, 10:21:30 AM
Read Lone Wolf by Jodi Picoult to test out the kindle app and reading on the iphone.

Can't say if I'd recommend it. I was hoping for more wilderness and such, not the courtroom drama it ended up as. And the resolution was too squeaky clean. Big theme is dealing with comatose patients and when/if they should be taken off life support. A couple explanations for characters actions were not explained, which leaves questions.

3/5
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Post by: Crash Dummy on April 17, 2012, 12:17:34 PM
http://www.pulitzer.org/ what's up with there being no award for fiction?

There's a panel that selects finalists for each category and then the finalists are presented to the Pulitzer board. If the board doesn't like any of the nominations, then no one wins. (I know this from reading about Gravity's Rainbow, which was unanimously nominated by the fiction panel, but then rejected by the board)
yeah i remember reading how gr was too obscene to win or something along those lines and also they worried if pynchon would even show up
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2012, 12:24:39 PM
I keep saying I'm going to start The Name Of The Wind but I never do, despite the rave reviews
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 17, 2012, 12:28:19 PM
Here's the three finalists for fiction:

http://www.pulitzer.org/citation/2012-Fiction
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Post by: Himu on April 17, 2012, 12:29:15 PM
I finished with my latest batch of books, and I'm not sure what to go with next but I'm leaning on the latest Maddow book.
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Post by: Bebpo on April 17, 2012, 10:28:09 PM
Been reading Storm of Swords and I got to this scene last night:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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oh shit.  This is getting interesting now.  HYPED for the rest of the series.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2012, 10:53:21 PM
Here's the three finalists for fiction:

http://www.pulitzer.org/citation/2012-Fiction

Quote
"Swamplandia!" by Karen Russell (Alfred A. Knopf), an adventure tale about an eccentric family adrift in its failing alligator-wrestling theme park, told by a 13-year-old heroine wise beyond her years

 :fbm
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2012, 12:32:33 AM
I don't remember when or how I got it (doesn't look like I paid for it), but I read The Score by Richard Stark on my kindle over the two days. Fun lil story. I'll have to look into the other Parker novels.

Also finished Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes last week. I had read about a third of Good Calories, Bad Calories last year, but all the in depth research and medical descriptions made me lose interest. This was a much more straightforward read. Now I'm back to avoiding carbs and checking the nutrition facts on everything. :lol

I need more books. I haven't been too into games lately. :(

I think I tweeted the link when it was free on amazon. Glad you liked it! Darwyn Cooke is doing The Score as the next one of his comics adaptations of the Parker series, should be great. Due this summer I think.
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Post by: chronovore on April 18, 2012, 01:55:18 AM
That's excellent news. Thanks again for those lovely hardcovers.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on April 18, 2012, 07:35:09 AM
Here's the three finalists for fiction:

http://www.pulitzer.org/citation/2012-Fiction

Quote
"Swamplandia!" by Karen Russell (Alfred A. Knopf), an adventure tale about an eccentric family adrift in its failing alligator-wrestling theme park, told by a 13-year-old heroine wise beyond her years

 :fbm
i too am struggling to decide between this and pale king
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 18, 2012, 02:36:31 PM
I keep saying I'm going to start The Name Of The Wind but I never do, despite the rave reviews

You should.

Just dont expect too much, it still is a fantasy story :)
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Post by: nice cat but chicken on April 22, 2012, 08:36:56 AM
i picked up Inherent Vice fairly cheaply the other day. enjoying my casual reread. it's obviously pretty light (by Pynchon's standard?) but i often find myself laughing aloud at stuff like:
Quote from: Thomas Pynchon
Back when, she could go weeks without anything more complicated than a pout. Now she was laying some heavy combination of face ingredients on him that he couldn't read at all.
also excitedly imagining how the proposed PTA/RDJ adaptation will turn out.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 22, 2012, 10:08:46 AM
Also finished Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes last week. I had read about a third of Good Calories, Bad Calories last year, but all the in depth research and medical descriptions made me lose interest. This was a much more straightforward read. Now I'm back to avoiding carbs and checking the nutrition facts on everything. :lol

I need more books. I haven't been too into games lately. :(

I nabbed the Kindle version of this.  Good read.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 22, 2012, 10:32:29 PM
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/food/10642013-large.jpg)

100 pages in and it's already depressing me.

Just got the kindle version of this as well.
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Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2012, 12:24:15 AM
I guess I'll check that book out too. I'm almost done with Anthony Bourdain's Kitchen Confidential. He makes being a cook/chef sound like the best and worst job ever.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 23, 2012, 12:51:37 AM

Awww shit this is gonna be epic.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51r8N7pDVLL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/Pariah-Ravenor-Eisenhorn-Dan-Abnett/dp/1849702020/ref=pd_ys_ir_all_194
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Post by: Eric P on April 23, 2012, 08:52:39 AM
(http://craphound.com/images/parsonsearlycover.jpg)

i have no idea what is going on.
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Post by: chronovore on April 23, 2012, 09:39:48 PM
I guess in celebration of the movie coming out, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter audiobook was on sale for US$5.95 on iTunes.

...

I should have known better, I really should. To some degree, it may have been better if it had not been an audiobook. For instance, I've been looking for audiobooks read by Alan Rickman or Tim Curry. Instead, whomever was reading this book would break halfway into a "Pepperidge Farm remembers!" tone of voice for Abe whenever something had to be read in character.

But, more than that, the book makes poor use of a couple of decent ideas, either by glossing over them, or bringing them to bear too late.

I'd started off pretty excited about the movie, and now I'm not particularly hopeful there.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 23, 2012, 10:03:32 PM
For some reason I bought the horrible Game of Groans book- its so bad.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2012, 11:09:30 PM
For some reason I bought the horrible Game of Groans book- its so bad.

Good Lord, MAF. Why are you reading that and not something by Terry Pratchett?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2012, 11:52:19 PM
For some reason I bought the horrible Game of Groans book- its so bad.

Good Lord, MAF. Why are you reading that and not something by Terry Pratchett?

when you gotta read you gotta read
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 24, 2012, 12:02:44 AM
I think my natural hate for Game of Thrones excitement made me buy it- it wasnt till I read through several bad fart jokes that I realized what id done :(
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2012, 12:14:54 AM
it wasnt till I read through several bad fart jokes that I realized what id done :(

I noted, through skimming the sample on Amazon, at least 4 in the first chapter alone.  :-\
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Post by: chronovore on April 24, 2012, 01:59:43 PM
Go get Bored of the Rings. At the very least, there are several sophomoric sex scenes, which is more in line with a Game of Thrones parody than LotR.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2012, 02:59:25 PM
Go get Bored of the Rings. At the very least, there are several sophomoric sex scenes, which is more in line with a Game of Thrones parody than LotR.

Frodo X Sam?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on April 24, 2012, 04:04:50 PM
Go get Bored of the Rings. At the very least, there are several sophomoric sex scenes, which is more in line with a Game of Thrones parody than LotR.

Frodo X Sam?

IIRC, it's full-on hetero. My apologies for raising TheBore's hopes, en masse.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 24, 2012, 04:28:22 PM
Imagine books written by a 13 year old boy and you've got bored of the rings and game of groans
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2012, 04:58:21 PM
Imagine books written by a 13 year old boy and you've got bored of the rings and game of groans

When your book starts out with a character named "Dildo Bugger," you might as well just shoot yourself in the face.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 24, 2012, 04:59:59 PM
haha
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2012, 05:36:25 PM
Imagine books written by a 13 year old boy and you've got bored of the rings and game of groans

Or the Game of Thrones TV script. :teehee
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 24, 2012, 06:03:43 PM
or the Game of Thrones
Imagine books written by a 13 year old boy and you've got bored of the rings and game of groans

Or the Game of Thrones TV script. :teehee

fixed
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2012, 06:15:40 PM
I thought about posting that, but I think it's more fair to say "imagine books written by a fat middle-aged pedophile".
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Post by: Beezy on April 28, 2012, 02:31:55 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41WJ3n96%2BQL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

Excellent read- does a good job identifying the key events that created an environment where things like Iran-Contra, military privatization, and the gradual militarization of the CIA can occur, and how disconnecting americans from the sacrifice of war has promoted endless engagements.

I think my favorite thing about this book is how she pretty much skipped the beaten-to-death 9/11-post 9/11 GW Bush era issues to focus on what's currently going on in the Obama admin (drones, strike on osama in pakistan, etc..).

This book is more about the current American attitude towards war and how it got this way- not about right versus left. We ALL suck! Also its easy to read for people like me who buy more WarHammer 40k books than anything else ;)
Just finished this. I probably facepalmed through the whole chapter about the handling of our nukes. :usacry
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Post by: MrAngryFace on April 28, 2012, 02:35:24 AM
It's cool bro, they didn't splode!
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Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2012, 06:32:02 AM

Just finished this. I probably facepalmed through the whole chapter about the handling of our nukes. :usacry

then you probably shouldn't read this book

http://www.amazon.com/How-End-Begins-Nuclear-World/dp/1416594213
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Post by: Beezy on April 28, 2012, 09:58:55 AM
No kindle version. I guess I won't. :P
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: magus on April 28, 2012, 03:54:01 PM
i don't usualy read books,but if i wanted to pick one,do you guys have any good mysteries/murder mysteries you would recomend? the kind that would feature a very distinguished mentally-challenged plot twist? i find myself loving those when they come to videogame and i wouldn't mind trying to expand this to books

or alternatively something funny,a nice comedy
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2012, 04:00:44 PM
i don't usualy read books,but if i wanted to pick one,do you guys have any good mysteries/murder mysteries you would recomend? the kind that would feature a very distinguished mentally-challenged plot twist? i find myself loving those when they come to videogame and i wouldn't mind trying to expand this to books

I'm shamelessly plugging my own book here, but this is basically what you're looking for:

http://www.amazon.com/Murder-at-End-World-ebook/dp/B0072NYPO0/ref=lp_B0072V78NC_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335643123&sr=1-1
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2012, 07:30:07 PM
i don't usualy read books,but if i wanted to pick one,do you guys have any good mysteries/murder mysteries you would recomend? the kind that would feature a very distinguished mentally-challenged plot twist? i find myself loving those when they come to videogame and i wouldn't mind trying to expand this to books

or alternatively something funny,a nice comedy

distinguished mentally-challenged like mind blowing or distinguished mentally-challenged like it's cheap and cheating?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2012, 07:41:38 PM
distinguished mentally-challenged like mind blowing or distinguished mentally-challenged like it's cheap and cheating?

Here's your answer:

Quote
i find myself loving those when they come to videogame
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: magus on April 29, 2012, 06:07:55 AM
i don't care about how stupid and contrived you get as long as you surprise me

so i guess a bit of both,and great rumbler isn't your book kindle only? i was thinking about a book i could find on a library or something like that

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 29, 2012, 06:50:28 AM
Why the sudden interest in books?

I would recommend:

Il deserto dei Tartari / The Tartar Steppe

It's an italian book so bound to be in your library, it's nothing like you described, but I really like it. It's pretty bleak. Apperently it was 29th on the 100th greatest books of the century by Le Monde.

Quote
The plot of the novel is Drogo's lifelong wait for a great war in which his life and the existence of the fort can prove its usefulness. The human need for giving life meaning and the soldier's desire for glory are themes in the novel. Drogo is posted to the remote outpost overlooking a desolate Tartar desert; he spends his career waiting for the barbarian horde rumored to live beyond the desert.

Don't read anything more on Wikipedia, there are spoilers.

I thought about posting that, but I think it's more fair to say "imagine books written by a fat middle-aged pedophile".

The reason why I put down Game of Thrones down around page 100 and never came back.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on April 29, 2012, 07:49:42 AM
i don't care about how stupid and contrived you get as long as you surprise me

so i guess a bit of both,and great rumbler isn't your book kindle only? i was thinking about a book i could find on a library or something like that

Try some Fredric Brown.  I'd suggest in order:

The Far Cry
Comes a Candle
The Screaming Mimi.

They're all older, but hopefully they'll be at your library.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2012, 08:24:55 AM
i don't usualy read books,but if i wanted to pick one,do you guys have any good mysteries/murder mysteries you would recomend? the kind that would feature a very distinguished mentally-challenged plot twist? i find myself loving those when they come to videogame and i wouldn't mind trying to expand this to books

or alternatively something funny,a nice comedy


This is completely distinguished mentally-challenged but very amusing nonetheless. Insane twists and wacky situations ahoy
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lTam0GZ2L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-67,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on April 29, 2012, 08:59:07 AM
Surprised you didn't suggest the Harry Hole series of books he did.  :teehee

It's more in line with The Bore.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 29, 2012, 11:20:23 AM
i don't usualy read books,but if i wanted to pick one,do you guys have any good mysteries/murder mysteries you would recomend? the kind that would feature a very distinguished mentally-challenged plot twist? i find myself loving those when they come to videogame and i wouldn't mind trying to expand this to books

or alternatively something funny,a nice comedy


This is completely distinguished mentally-challenged but very amusing nonetheless. Insane twists and wacky situations ahoy
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lTam0GZ2L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-67,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

I just saw the movie. Hmm. Maybe the book is less insane.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 29, 2012, 11:26:05 AM
The C++ Standard Library: A Tutorial and Reference, the new standard is so sexy
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
and great rumbler isn't your book kindle only? i was thinking about a book i could find on a library or something like that

There is another site where you can get a version of the book for just about any other digital device [.epub, PDF, ect.]:

https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/127529

And you actually can pick it up in paperback, though that obviously costs a bit more:

https://www.createspace.com/3784375
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Post by: MrAngryFace on May 01, 2012, 11:24:45 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51K6koXXSyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

God dammmnnn this dude knows how to write space marine shit
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Big Barry Jazz on May 02, 2012, 07:45:09 AM
Here you go, MAF. Looks like some poor, defenseless eldar are going to get their asses handed to them by some Primarchs in some upcoming book.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad302/CosmicSchwung/angel-700.jpg)
Some of the BL books sure do get some nice cover art .

Thought I'd try some classic sci-fi books so I started with Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea. I was expecting great things but instead found it interminably dull. I think I would have appreciated it more if I'd been able to read it nearer to the time it was written but it occasional felt like I was reading an encyclopaedia. I was going to move on to A Journey to the Center of the Earth but I don't know if I can be bothered now.
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Post by: Eric P on May 02, 2012, 08:47:44 AM
I'm currently reading a Harry Crews omnibus.  He was a southern writer who came from dirt farmer stock and became a fairly prolific essayist / novelist.  I haven't read anything by him in forever, so when he died a little while ago, I thought I'd seek some of it out again and become reacquainted.  The book I'm currently reading is A Childhood: The Biography of a Place which is about his youth and the area in which he grew up.  Violent, dark and nasty.  His father had a rough and tumble life.  The book is full of stories which aren't really unfamiliar to anyone who grew up in rural or Southern America.  However like the best writers working in this tradition, he's able to inject some much needed (often wry and ironic) humor into his tales.  Highly recommended. 
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Post by: MrAngryFace on May 02, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
awesomme
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 05, 2012, 12:23:13 PM
Just finished The Girl Who Kicked The Hornets Nest.

The whole story is told in a very matter of fact way. It doesn't hide a lot of information to create a ton of plot twists for the most part. The few twist have impact.

I really appreciated the restraint when it comes to Lisbeth. The story could have really turned her into an ass kicking chick who's constantly beating dudes up, hacking computers, andjust generally being a badass. While they are a few instances of this to make the story interesting, for the most part she's portrayed as being kind of a bad person who doesn't think if others, is pretty childish, and is generally a dick. Her growth as a character is a long process that feels natural.

Overall the plot shows a lot of restraint as well. The way out opens up in book two, it could have really gotten out of hand but it takes things slowly and hand off most of the leg work to fishing out the cops and Blomkvist.

I'm really hoping Fincher end up making the two sequels.
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Post by: Eric P on May 11, 2012, 06:11:01 AM
(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1320561517l/10108463.jpg)
just wrapped this amazing piece of southern noir.  it was GREAT.  i read it in one day, in one sitting.

(http://liminalstates.com/threequartersbook.gif)

I have gone back to this, reading about 80 pages in my first day back.  This book is weird and goes places I did not expect.  The first 50 pages or so are pretty bog standard, but then it soon picks up and starts rewiring your brain's neural paths.  so far, so good.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 13, 2012, 03:22:56 PM
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The Kindle version.  I've pimped this book before in the past and I'll pimp it again: this is an amazing book that should be considered required reading whenever some Portland effete handflapper frets about flyover country.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 21, 2012, 11:14:32 PM
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100 pages in and it's already depressing me.

Just got the kindle version of this as well.

I finally got around to finishing this book and to be honest, I found it to be a slog.  In a world where there are tons of Nickel and Dimed and Fast Food Nation type books out there, this one kind of fell short with me.  I don't think there's anything against it but having read a lot of these types of books before, it just kind of had a numbing effect.  Except for the surprise twist ending, but not in a good way.

I recommend it only if someone is relatively unfamiliar with these types of books.

Will end up getting Liminal States next because I feel compelled to read any Zack Parsons book.
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Post by: Eric P on May 22, 2012, 06:29:48 AM
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Every nation was kind of jerks during ww2.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on May 22, 2012, 03:51:49 PM
You love books about food.
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Post by: Eric P on May 22, 2012, 04:02:55 PM
food policy and history is now fascinating to me.

i will burn out and soon be reading about straight male ballerinas.
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Post by: Shadow Mod on May 22, 2012, 07:36:58 PM
Just finished Sex at Dawn. Now I'm reading Sex and Punishment.

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Post by: MrAngryFace on May 22, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
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Just a bit in- great so far.
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Post by: chronovore on May 23, 2012, 01:19:45 AM
John Shirley doesn't get enough credit. In general.
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Post by: Eric P on May 23, 2012, 06:06:31 AM
seriously. 
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Post by: MrAngryFace on May 23, 2012, 12:14:09 PM
I hadnt even heard of him- i've read some Gibson but not a lot tbh, but I respect his work- so when I saw his quote on the book im like sure- i'll give it a go.
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Post by: Mandark on May 24, 2012, 01:08:25 AM
racist
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 24, 2012, 01:39:24 AM
Awesome-o casts 'Reductio ad absurdum' for 0pts damage
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Post by: chronovore on May 28, 2012, 03:09:12 AM
If that's all you're getting out of it so far, Awesome-o, quit now and enjoy some Terry Brooks.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 28, 2012, 03:22:31 AM
What's this song of youth stuff?
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Post by: chronovore on May 29, 2012, 12:13:23 AM
Re-reading Palahniuk's Choke, it's quite good. I'm getting more out of it than the last time I read it.

Has anyone here seen the movie? It's Sam Rockwell, so I'm a little hopeful, but I didn't even know the movie existed until last week, so it is either really bad, or an art-house release, or both.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 29, 2012, 12:17:41 AM
I started on Perdido Street Station.

I'm not very far in, but from what I gather, a winged dude rides a barge into a massive shitpile of a city. Then a large black man who works as a science professor spends some time fucking a woman who has the head of a beetle. Then this beetle lady rides a chocobo taxi to a river area that's all sorts of fucked up.

I'd probably stop here if I hadn't been told that the book gets really good later on.

tbh, if you don't like it after the first handful of chapters I doubt you'll like the rest either. I mean there's more plot and action and stuff later on, but I think the world, society etc. is the big attraction so if you're not feeling that, you probably won't get a ton out of the book.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on May 29, 2012, 12:53:29 AM
What's this song of youth stuff?

cyberpunk/future stuff- very cool so far.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on May 29, 2012, 09:42:43 AM
re-reading Dune after many years and I forget what the consensus is on how far to go. Obviously only stick to Frank Hubert's stuff but I seem to remember people saying the first 2 are the most worthwhlie (those are what I've read originally)
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Post by: Atramental on June 02, 2012, 01:09:55 AM
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2012, 01:15:27 AM
Somehow I got the entire Wheel of Time series on my kindle. I read the first two books over the course of some long waiting periods during the past few days.

People say that George R.R. Martin needs an editor? Holy shit, he has nothing on Robert Jordan. You could literally tell the exact same stories using 30% as many words. The biggest issue is that he doesn't know how to just cut to the next scene. Every single event that happens needs to be described in painstaking detail.

Also, his prose is pretty mediocre most of the time.


tbh, if you don't like it after the first handful of chapters I doubt you'll like the rest either. I mean there's more plot and action and stuff later on, but I think the world, society etc. is the big attraction so if you're not feeling that, you probably won't get a ton out of the book.

I did like the world a lot. I'm taking the book on an upcoming plane ride, and I definitely plan to finish it.

Hmm. I had heard the first couple WoT books were good, then it veered off into nothingness.

Personally I like highly descriptive fantasy novels so Jordan's excesses in that area probably wouldn't annoy me.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2012, 01:36:11 AM
It didn't annoy back in my teenage years, I do know that. I read through the first 7-8 books at least twice, probably more than that. :lol
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Post by: Eric P on June 02, 2012, 02:17:38 AM
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really short (about 200 pages of actual work, 100 of notes), really interesting stuff.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on June 04, 2012, 06:35:43 PM
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Over halfway through. I think its a good book. I think it's weakest when it shifts between the hard facts of large scale networking and the authors "pie in the sky" thoughts on the nature of the Internet and what it means to blah blah blah- SHADDUP HIPPIE but all of that aside- a good book that will probably teach you something.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2012, 12:30:16 AM
I finished the book I was reading today, recommend what I read next:

Count Zero - William Gibson
The Illustrated Man - Ray Bradbury
The Fall of Hyperion - Dan Simmons
Software - Rudy Rucker
Gardens of the Moon - Steven Erikson
The Third Policeman - Flann O'Brien
A Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter M. Miller, Jr.
Perdido Street Station - China Meiville
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell - Susanna Clarke
Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World - Haruki Murakami
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2012, 12:31:00 AM
Anything except Gardens Of The Moon. May I suggest Perdido Street Station
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 12:37:27 AM
I finished the book I was reading today, recommend what I read next:

Count Zero - William Gibson
The Illustrated Man - Ray Bradbury
The Fall of Hyperion - Dan Simmons
Software - Rudy Rucker
Gardens of the Moon - Steven Erikson
The Third Policeman - Flann O'Brien
A Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter M. Miller, Jr.
Perdido Street Station - China Meiville
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell - Susanna Clarke

I've read everything but 'Software' and 'The Illustrated Man', and let me assure you that by far the strangest and most interesting book on that list is The Third Policeman
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2012, 12:47:31 AM
I forgot that I had one more book in my reading queue:

Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World - Haruki Murakami

Makes it an even ten.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 07, 2012, 01:12:01 AM
Gardens of the Moon, sucks but its worth it for the other books in the series.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:23:26 AM
I forgot that I had one more book in my reading queue:

Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World - Haruki Murakami

Makes it an even ten.

My Kindles, let me show you them - I have over 300 lined up, many of which I paid for!
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Post by: Eric P on June 07, 2012, 07:02:48 AM
I finished the book I was reading today, recommend what I read next:

Count Zero - William Gibson
The Illustrated Man - Ray Bradbury
The Fall of Hyperion - Dan Simmons
Software - Rudy Rucker
Gardens of the Moon - Steven Erikson
The Third Policeman - Flann O'Brien
A Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter M. Miller, Jr.
Perdido Street Station - China Meiville
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell - Susanna Clarke
Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World - Haruki Murakami

Canticle for Leibowitz is one of my favorite books but I also love Jonathan Strange

those are my suggestions
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Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 12:50:22 PM
I will second that Canticle for Leibowitz is pretty great (the only one I have read on that list, though).
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 07, 2012, 01:17:52 PM
I LOVE Jonathan Strange. Hardboiled Wonderland is also great. Skip Software and Gardens of the Moon.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on June 07, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
gardens of the moon is an odd book- its KIND of important for knowing what the hell is going on in Book 3, but really Deadhouse gates is where shit gets awesome. So I dunno. Read it once and never again I suppose. I mean book 3 first ganoes scene just starts talking about 'inside the sword' and all kinds of shit you just cant even begin to connect until you've read gardens
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Post by: Eric P on June 07, 2012, 01:38:40 PM
(http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/4c/MLO1765.jpg)

i finished this last night and i absolutely cannot say enough nice things about it.
absolutely wonderful short stories in a variety of genres.
Cormac, Eel  and Treesong should definitely become familiar with him if they're not already.

(https://bloodymurder.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/sturgeon-some-blood-tem.jpg)
A classic I've never read but damn if it isn't great so far.
it's nominally about a damaged soldier undergoing psychiatric care, but it's really a lot deeper and darker than that.  I'm about 25% of the way done and it's really put together well, similar to Dracula in that it tries to take a factual and scientific stance to something that has no place in "natural" life.  Think of it as the proto Silence of the Lambs (book not movie).
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2012, 01:48:21 PM
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i finished this last night and i absolutely cannot say enough nice things about it.
absolutely wonderful short stories in a variety of genres.
Cormac, Eel  and Treesong should definitely become familiar with him if they're not already.

I like Robert Bloch and I like that cover, so far so good.
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Post by: Eric P on June 07, 2012, 01:52:32 PM
that story is fucking hilarious. 

edit: whoops link removed.

if you google the author and abominable snowman you can find the story fairly easily
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Post by: MrAngryFace on June 07, 2012, 08:56:24 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ku7IvIHML._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Finished my book on things that are real and important- back to SPACE MARINES
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 11, 2012, 10:20:03 AM
reading the Sprawl trilogy. some minor spoilers maybe:

Finished Neuromancer awhile back. enjoyed it a lot but i had some issues following the plot from time to time. especially later on during the climax. that was probably by design since things were getting weird in the story.

finished Count Zero last thursday. i enjoyed the three character plot structure. another case of having some trouble following the plot. specifically not getting how Marly's side played into the overal plot. I understand it now but at the time i didn't. my issue, really. I liked how it alluded to the events from the first book and how they changed the landscape of things. also liked the appearance of Finn.

Reading Mona Lisa Overdrive now. early on. Molly is back. woo-hoo.
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Post by: Eric P on June 11, 2012, 10:40:08 AM
finished Some of Your Blood and am reading Maddow's Drift.

Oh that wacky Saint Ronnie.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2012, 06:20:50 PM
Since everyone basically recommended a different book, I started reading The Fall of Hyperion, since that was kind of what I was leaning towards anyway. Really good so far, picks up nicely from the previous book left off and introduces a few new things to keep it all going. One thing I really like about the Hyperion books is how detailed the universe is, all the little nuances and new terms the book casually uses, without feeling overwhelming.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 11, 2012, 07:26:46 PM
Since everyone basically recommended a different book, I started reading The Fall of Hyperion, since that was kind of what I was leaning towards anyway. Really good so far, picks up nicely from the previous book left off and introduces a few new things to keep it all going. One thing I really like about the Hyperion books is how detailed the universe is, all the little nuances and new terms the book casually uses, without feeling overwhelming.

like Dune, feel free to stop after the first two books!
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2012, 07:30:33 PM
Fall of Hyperion wraps up the pilgrims' story, so that's where I'll stop.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on June 11, 2012, 10:56:12 PM
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Finished my book on things that are real and important- back to SPACE MARINES

Finished. Fantastic Warhammer 40k novel.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on June 11, 2012, 11:24:17 PM
I thought Rise of Endymion was second best after Hyperion, it ended on a strong note.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 11, 2012, 11:27:00 PM
I enjoyed all four books, but I think it was smart to make the distinctions between the 2 pairs of books obvious, rather than marketing them as parts 1-4 of the same story. They're quite different but equally valid, I think.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on June 11, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
True.

It made me really sad to find out his last book was a full-on Teatard dystopia. This was just after reading The Terror and loving it.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 11, 2012, 11:53:42 PM
Yeah, I ignored his last one for that reason. Loved The Terror too.

I really need to try again with the Olympos books. The various threads were just so far apart for most of it that I couldn't force my way through it, although they were all interesting enough by themselves.

I just did a massive re-read of Julian May's Pliocene Exile/Galactic Milieu books, which I loved when I was a kid. I first read them when I was about 10 and must have read the first 4 9 or 10 times back then. I can still basically recite every line of dialog in my head before it comes up. I have no idea if they hold up for new readers (old sci-fi is always problematic - these were from the 80s) but man, they were fun as hell.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 12, 2012, 06:28:30 PM
started reading this. 
(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1170452180l/55881.jpg)
my god its a sexy book on the inside.  pages aren't glossy, and they are thick.  coloured, pretty diagrams.  Makes reading so much nicer.
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Post by: Positive Touch on June 12, 2012, 10:56:59 PM
Quote
Fandom: Jurassic Park

“what are those?” Lunge Claw asked pointing at her breasts.

“they’re called ‘nipples’,” She replied, “they’re for feeding human babies, mostly because human babies don’t have…teeth.” Sarah then realized that was flirtatious question and not out of curiosity.

Lunge Claw laughed, “didn’t expect that from a dinosaur, did ya?”

“You little reptilian pervert,” Sarah blushed, “I don’t whether to kill you or kiss you.”

So many thoughts ran through their heads at that moment, most of them revolved one question: a human and a dinosaur, in love?

By nightfall, Sarah was lying down underneath lunge claw, lunge claw had his penis unsheathed and held it close to her vulva.

“I’m ready,” Sarah said.”
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2012, 11:26:45 PM
:rofl
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2012, 11:49:17 PM
Quote
Fandom: Jurassic Park

“what are those?” Lunge Claw asked pointing at her breasts.

“they’re called ‘nipples’,” She replied, “they’re for feeding human babies, mostly because human babies don’t have…teeth.” Sarah then realized that was flirtatious question and not out of curiosity.

Lunge Claw laughed, “didn’t expect that from a dinosaur, did ya?”

“You little reptilian pervert,” Sarah blushed, “I don’t whether to kill you or kiss you.”

So many thoughts ran through their heads at that moment, most of them revolved one question: a human and a dinosaur, in love?

By nightfall, Sarah was lying down underneath lunge claw, lunge claw had his penis unsheathed and held it close to her vulva.

“I’m ready,” Sarah said.”
:rofl
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Post by: Robo on June 13, 2012, 10:56:45 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2012, 11:11:09 AM
"Didn't expect that from a dinosaur, did ya?" is going to be my new catchphrase.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on June 16, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
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Out this next week- grabbed it today from the bookstore. Cool so far- nice n different.
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Post by: chronovore on June 16, 2012, 08:39:01 PM
The Stress of Her Regard. So far, not my favorite Tim Powers book by a longshot. But it is improving now that they're in Venice.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 03:27:24 AM
I fucking LOVE Stress of Her Regard. Byron, the Shelleys, Lamia...it's a romantic lit fantasy dream of a book. Scary too!

I dove into Lev Grossman's The Magicians the other day. Good stuff so far, looking forward to the supposedly-superior sequel.
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Post by: Eric P on June 20, 2012, 07:09:13 AM
i couldnt' even get past the back cover for The Magicians.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 07:39:10 AM
it is very much Harry Potter for hipsters
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Post by: Groogrux on June 28, 2012, 03:41:33 AM
I finally finished A Dance With Dragons tonight.  Some really good cliff hangers in that one.  Can't wait for the next - whenever that comes out.

Against my better judgement and at the recommendation of a few friends, I'm going to start the Hunger Games trilogy.  I hear it only takes a few days to burn through all three of them so at my reading pace, I should be done within 2-3 weeks.

Don't know what I'm going to read after that...  I may start looking into re-reading the Primal Blueprint or something like that in the meantime.
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Post by: fart on June 28, 2012, 05:00:43 AM
fart read book PFFSTTTHT 8D
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Post by: MrAngryFace on June 28, 2012, 09:36:21 AM
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Out this next week- grabbed it today from the bookstore. Cool so far- nice n different.

Finished he main story. Deeeeepressing.
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Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2012, 02:20:03 PM
As far as I can tell this was not written for "young adults" so I don't know what the deal is.

that's funny, i thought you were reading a fantasy book.

BOOM

NAILED IT
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 02:27:12 PM
As far as I can tell this was not written for "young adults" so I don't know what the deal is.

that's funny, i thought you were reading a fantasy book.

BOOM

NAILED IT

SMH
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on July 11, 2012, 02:36:22 PM
As far as I can tell this was not written for "young adults" so I don't know what the deal is.

that's funny, i thought you were reading a fantasy book.

BOOM

NAILED IT
I will bless that joke with lol. But.

TB has a point, Rothfuss starts basically transferring his unrequited love somewhere in first book, and goes overboard in book two. It's a fun read, if you factor in MASSIVE empowerment, and serious lack of the essential pairing words with pictures skill it's a fun read.
If it was a cheese, it'd probably be ripe Brie.

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 11, 2012, 03:05:22 PM
it is very much Harry Potter for hipsters

I really loved The Magicians, but then the way I chose to read and interpret it was perhaps more self-aware than it was intended. I dunno.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 11, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
As far as I can tell this was not written for "young adults" so I don't know what the deal is.

that's funny, i thought you were reading a fantasy book.

BOOM

NAILED IT
I will bless that joke with lol. But.

TB has a point, Rothfuss starts basically transferring his unrequited love somewhere in first book, and goes overboard in book two. It's a fun read, if you factor in MASSIVE empowerment, and serious lack of the essential pairing words with pictures skill it's a fun read.
If it was a cheese, it'd probably be ripe Brie.

The empowerment issues in the first two books are so extreme that I'm fairly certain Kvothe is an INSANELY unreliable narrator. I can't imagine ACTUALLY writing a fantasy series where the main character is so handsome, and smart, and clever, and talented, and and and ... maybe I am not smart enough to envision fantasy novels.
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Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2012, 03:31:56 PM
I am reading Caliban's War, volume 2 in The Expanse.  It is a high fantasy book where the fantasy setting is "space."  That's not really true, but it's a science fiction book which takes fantasy tropes and inverts them for a sci-fi space opera setting.  This entire book is like Consider Phlebas and I mean that in a complimentary way.

I've been reading a tear of horror and classic proletariat fiction so it's kind of nice to just go back and read some pew pew everyone once in a while
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2012, 03:46:08 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41n99IW%2BDLL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
Mostly for work. Its a great book- but I suspect most who read it will go 'WELL THATS COMMON SENSE! PSSSHAWWW' when in reality while its common sense, most people dont exercise any of it. So its best to read through this book from the perspective of someone who is currenty doing NOTHING to lead change- then you spend more time thinking up ways you can put the lessons into practice.

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Trying to read CLASSICS so when people ask what ive read I can say Steinbeck and not just DAN ABNETT. Plus I love Steinbeck's writing style- gives me a literary boner.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 11, 2012, 03:58:13 PM
Trying to read CLASSICS so when people ask what ive read I can say Steinbeck and not just DAN ABNETT. Plus I love Steinbeck's writing style- gives me a literary boner.

you sold out, MAF
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2012, 04:08:42 PM
I will be chased by 40k fans, branded a HERETIC

Truth be told i totally just finished a 3 book Warhammer 40 series that is AMAZING and the fact you probably havent read it yet makes ME angry
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2012, 04:10:51 PM
to be fair, Grapes of Wrath is totally like this time a group of Imperial Guard got detached from their main formation during a planetary reclamation and the orks knocked over their temporary base and they had to go run to Caleephonya  to try to get their orders, but all they found were a bunch of people in the same boat, because someone had sold them out to the forces of chaos.  It was really sad.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2012, 04:47:20 PM
to be fair, Grapes of Wrath is totally like this time a group of Imperial Guard got detached from their main formation during a planetary reclamation and the orks knocked over their temporary base and they had to go run to Caleephonya  to try to get their orders, but all they found were a bunch of people in the same boat, because someone had sold them out to the forces of chaos.  It was really sad.

:lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 11, 2012, 04:52:08 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/The_Wise_Man's_Fear_UK_cover.jpg/200px-The_Wise_Man's_Fear_UK_cover.jpg)

Its pretty good yeah.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 05:15:17 PM
to be fair, Grapes of Wrath is totally like this time a group of Imperial Guard got detached from their main formation during a planetary reclamation and the orks knocked over their temporary base and they had to go run to Caleephonya  to try to get their orders, but all they found were a bunch of people in the same boat, because someone had sold them out to the forces of chaos.  It was really sad.

Reminds me of when a friend described Huckleberry Finn as The Sandlot without baseball
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Verdigris Murder on July 11, 2012, 06:28:28 PM
(http://mlkshk.com/r/FSJ0)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 11, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
it is very much Harry Potter for hipsters

I really loved The Magicians, but then the way I chose to read and interpret it was perhaps more self-aware than it was intended. I dunno.

The author is on record about explicitly wanting to make a fantasy where all the participants knew all the fantasy tropes, and that's exactly how I read it. I'm on The Magician Kings now.

Have you read his brother's book about Image-type superheroes? I enjoyed it a lot but it's a very similar deal, weirdly. The two of them must have been pains in the asses to deal with as kids, picking every bedtime story to death.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 11, 2012, 07:46:34 PM
and yes, Kvothe is the Mary-Sue from Hell. OTOH, he fucks up massively and often. And he has terrible luck.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 11, 2012, 08:24:52 PM
I read it of a piece with Among Others, so it really seemed to me like a book about our relationship with Fantasy, why we read Fantasy, and how that relationship changes as we grow older (and how that's not necessarily a bad thing). I dunno, FFVIII's my favorite Final Fantasy! I like insufferable prick protagonists as long as it's in service of an interesting story. Magicians reminded me of a Bret Easton Ellis novel.

and yes, Kvothe is the Mary-Sue from Hell. OTOH, he fucks up massively and often. And he has terrible luck.

He does, but even those setbacks are always in service of the Greater Good of showing how awesome Kvothe is. Minor thematic spoilers:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The tone is SO different in the frame story, and there's SUCH an emphasis throughout on storytelling, song, and narrative technique, that I'm mightily convinced very little of the back story went down the way Kvothe claims - that he's embellishing and improving his role because he's embarrassed by what actually happened. I could be totally wrong, but I'm still expecting a huge "yeah, I made it all up basically" headfake in book 3.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2012, 08:40:22 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/Full_Dark%2C_No_Stars.jpg)

Kinda wanted to read some Stephen King but didn't feel like reading something 8000 pages long, so I picked this up.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2012, 01:18:37 AM
I read it of a piece with Among Others, so it really seemed to me like a book about our relationship with Fantasy, why we read Fantasy, and how that relationship changes as we grow older (and how that's not necessarily a bad thing). I dunno, FFVIII's my favorite Final Fantasy! I like insufferable prick protagonists as long as it's in service of an interesting story. Magicians reminded me of a Bret Easton Ellis novel.

and yes, Kvothe is the Mary-Sue from Hell. OTOH, he fucks up massively and often. And he has terrible luck.

He does, but even those setbacks are always in service of the Greater Good of showing how awesome Kvothe is. Minor thematic spoilers:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The tone is SO different in the frame story, and there's SUCH an emphasis throughout on storytelling, song, and narrative technique, that I'm mightily convinced very little of the back story went down the way Kvothe claims - that he's embellishing and improving his role because he's embarrassed by what actually happened. I could be totally wrong, but I'm still expecting a huge "yeah, I made it all up basically" headfake in book 3.
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Pretty sure it's going to be Kvothe shaking off all his tragedies and remembering how awesome he is actually.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Verdigris Murder on July 13, 2012, 04:54:28 PM
There's basically no way he can make it a trilogy proper. The end of the third book, it'll basically have some sort of cliff-hanger.

I also now know why GRRM has been taking ages to actually finish ASOIAF/HBO's Game of Thrones:

It's pretty obvious that it's leading up to a huge awesome battle between dragons and the ice vampires, but GRRM has no proper game plan. He can't describe big action scenes for shit, so he's going to bide his time, and sip inspiration from HBO. The HBO series is also several MASSIVE levels above the entertainment his books put out. But maybe that's just HBO being AWESOME.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 13, 2012, 05:31:49 PM
just wrapped Caliban's War, the second book in The Expanse and I enjoyed it even though I know it's absolute pew pew garbage.

to make up for this sin of reading for enjoyment, I shall be reading Alif The Unseen next.

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In an unnamed Middle Eastern security state, a young Arab-Indian hacker shields his clients ? dissidents, outlaws, Islamists, and other watched groups ? from surveillance and tries to stay out of trouble. He goes by Alif ? the first letter of the Arabic alphabet, and a convenient handle to hide behind. The aristocratic woman Alif loves has jilted him for a prince chosen by her parents, and his computer has just been breached by the state's electronic security force, putting his clients and his own neck on the line. Then it turns out his lover's new fianc? is the ?Hand of God, ? as they call the head of state security, and his henchmen come after Alif, driving him underground. When Alif discovers The Thousand and One Days, the secret book of the jinn, which both he and the Hand suspect may unleash a new level of information technology, the stakes are raised and Alif must struggle for life or death, aided by forces seen and unseen.

it promises to be orientalism of the highest calibre!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 13, 2012, 05:53:40 PM
to be fair, Grapes of Wrath is totally like this time a group of Imperial Guard got detached from their main formation during a planetary reclamation and the orks knocked over their temporary base and they had to go run to Caleephonya  to try to get their orders, but all they found were a bunch of people in the same boat, because someone had sold them out to the forces of chaos.  It was really sad.

:lol

I think Grapes of Wrath just might be my favorite book ever.

Too bad The Wise Man's Fear meandered so much, I loved the first book. One more book doesn't seem to be enough considering the story hasn't advanced too far yet, though I don't know if the story will continue after his story is up to date. Loved how magic worked in the books.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2012, 06:48:31 PM
There's basically no way he can make it a trilogy proper. The end of the third book, it'll basically have some sort of cliff-hanger.

I also now know why GRRM has been taking ages to actually finish ASOIAF/HBO's Game of Thrones:

It's pretty obvious that it's leading up to a huge awesome battle between dragons and the ice vampires, but GRRM has no proper game plan. He can't describe big action scenes for shit, so he's going to bide his time, and sip inspiration from HBO. The HBO series is also several MASSIVE levels above the entertainment his books put out. But maybe that's just HBO being AWESOME.

His entire style is based on limited perspective of views. Every battle in the series, even the biggest ones like Blackwater, are only seen though that lens. When Tyrion has his little skirmish in GoT, all he sees is his flanking party and a group of enemies charging down a hill. When Blackwater occurs all you see is what Tyrion and Davos see, etc. He doesn't have a problem with scope, his series merely limits it.

I'd imagine someone riding on a dragon over the Trident won't be a limited view, so I see no point in worrying about that shit. The real problem is more obvious:
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getting Dany to Westeros in the first place. ADWD solved much of the knot, but now she's dicking around with more Dothraki while her city is about to get shit canned.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 14, 2012, 07:57:18 AM
just wrapped Caliban's War, the second book in The Expanse and I enjoyed it even though I know it's absolute pew pew garbage.

to make up for this sin of reading for enjoyment, I shall be reading Alif The Unseen next.

Quote
In an unnamed Middle Eastern security state, a young Arab-Indian hacker shields his clients ? dissidents, outlaws, Islamists, and other watched groups ? from surveillance and tries to stay out of trouble. He goes by Alif ? the first letter of the Arabic alphabet, and a convenient handle to hide behind. The aristocratic woman Alif loves has jilted him for a prince chosen by her parents, and his computer has just been breached by the state's electronic security force, putting his clients and his own neck on the line. Then it turns out his lover's new fianc? is the ?Hand of God, ? as they call the head of state security, and his henchmen come after Alif, driving him underground. When Alif discovers The Thousand and One Days, the secret book of the jinn, which both he and the Hand suspect may unleash a new level of information technology, the stakes are raised and Alif must struggle for life or death, aided by forces seen and unseen.

it promises to be orientalism of the highest calibre!


I've liked some of her comics, let us know what you think!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 14, 2012, 08:54:44 AM
Yeah, that's why I'm reading it.  Love what i read of AIR and loved Cairo
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 14, 2012, 12:01:02 PM
AIR went from like an A+ first volume and a B+ second volume to a C- conclusion. Really disappointing. Uh, but I hope you enjoy Alif!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 14, 2012, 09:47:24 PM
I passed on AIR due to all the reviews saying it didn't end well. I liked Mystic a lot, though it was disappointing that they only got to do the one mini.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 15, 2012, 08:58:42 AM
so don't finish Air?  Got it!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 15, 2012, 06:13:46 PM
Finished Cup of Gold- wow @ that last third; so great. I'm pondering going through the Riftwar Saga again- its an old favorite- it and Serpent War = Feist in his prime.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 15, 2012, 06:24:11 PM
I'm about halfway through The Brothers Karamazov. It's pretty good, albeit extremely long-winded at times.

It's too bad I didn't read this back in college. I think I would have gotten a lot out of it back then, and I'm realizing that in many ways I'm basically the 21st century American version of Ivan Karamazov.

Russian literature long-winded? NO WAY
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 15, 2012, 06:25:36 PM
They dont seem as long if you're DRUNK ON VODKA
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 15, 2012, 06:59:22 PM
Reading an oldie but a goodie:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/21/Whatsthematterwithkansas.jpg/200px-Whatsthematterwithkansas.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2012, 07:28:55 PM
Anyone on the Bore read this yet? I was thinking about picking it up.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41nsTD8GisL.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 16, 2012, 11:30:39 PM
(http://www.strandbooks.com/resources/strand/images/products/partitioned/6/1/7/0807842885.1.zoom.jpg)

I've been wanting to get into history of the deep south and appalachia past the civil war.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 16, 2012, 11:36:32 PM
WELL IM GLAD YOU ARE ALL SMARTEY MEN BOOKS BUT IM GONNA SLUM IT WIT SOME FEIST RE-READZ YO

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/Feist_-_Magician_Coverart.png)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 17, 2012, 04:08:26 AM
i'm about 1/3rd of the way through Alif the Unseen and I'm enjoying it.  It's a modern day urban fantasy set in a world where Islam has conquered half the planet (mentioned only in passing).  Alif is a computer hacker who keeps dissidents safe from the prying eyes of state security until he gets burned.  He turns to a man who is considered a bit of a mystery for help, the man who is not a man, but rather a djinn. 

It's really well done and goes quickly as through it were YA but I don't believe it's marketed as such (the word "fuck" comes up a lot)

But I just got notification from Amazon that the new book by KJ Parker is out.  I didn't love The Hammer, feeling it was a pale imitation of previous works, but this new book, Sharps, is supposed to be a return to form along the lines of the EXCELLENT The Folding Knife.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on July 17, 2012, 04:20:38 AM
(http://media.ove.cybermage.se/2011/07/heart-of-iron.jpg)

This is an alternate history of imperial Russia with a hint of steam punk.

I really wanted to like this book. I really wanted to get into it, but the narrator and main character are just not impressive. I honestly can't stand the main character most of the time. She's a bit Mary Sue, always being on the moral right of things and everything working out for her. It's boring.

(http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n0/n3748.jpg)

I'm a huge Frank Herbert fan, but it's been many years since I last read one of his novels. My taste has changed a bit, and his style makes me smirk a bit now, but I still enjoy it. So far, the book is cold war era sci-fi and full of Herbert's love for fantastical technology that exists on a human level. As in, sonar tech for the blind and thought probing blood monitors.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Barry Egan on July 17, 2012, 07:36:04 AM
WELL IM GLAD YOU ARE ALL SMARTEY MEN BOOKS BUT IM GONNA SLUM IT WIT SOME FEIST RE-READZ YO

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/Feist_-_Magician_Coverart.png)

Loved this in my teens :bow2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 18, 2012, 09:17:08 AM
I'm 250 pages into Alif and I was enjoying the hell out of it until the author introduced a blond-hair, blue eyed convert who rails against discrimination that she's faced since converting.

this is our author

(http://www.tatteredcover.com/files/tatteredcover/G_Willow_Wilson.jpg)

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 18, 2012, 09:52:50 AM
I read it of a piece with Among Others, so it really seemed to me like a book about our relationship with Fantasy, why we read Fantasy, and how that relationship changes as we grow older (and how that's not necessarily a bad thing). I dunno, FFVIII's my favorite Final Fantasy! I like insufferable prick protagonists as long as it's in service of an interesting story. Magicians reminded me of a Bret Easton Ellis novel.

and yes, Kvothe is the Mary-Sue from Hell. OTOH, he fucks up massively and often. And he has terrible luck.

He does, but even those setbacks are always in service of the Greater Good of showing how awesome Kvothe is. Minor thematic spoilers:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The tone is SO different in the frame story, and there's SUCH an emphasis throughout on storytelling, song, and narrative technique, that I'm mightily convinced very little of the back story went down the way Kvothe claims - that he's embellishing and improving his role because he's embarrassed by what actually happened. I could be totally wrong, but I'm still expecting a huge "yeah, I made it all up basically" headfake in book 3.
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Pretty sure it's going to be Kvothe shaking off all his tragedies and remembering how awesome he is actually.

And rising to the challenge and kicking some ass.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 19, 2012, 02:28:13 AM
I'm 250 pages into Alif and I was enjoying the hell out of it until the author introduced a blond-hair, blue eyed convert who rails against discrimination that she's faced since converting.

this is our author

(http://www.tatteredcover.com/files/tatteredcover/G_Willow_Wilson.jpg)



FICTION HIJAB ALERT
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 19, 2012, 02:29:19 AM
You follow her on twitter? She's very nice, doesn't beat that drum much at all actually. Talks more about WoW than you'd expect
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2012, 02:36:45 AM
WELL IM GLAD YOU ARE ALL SMARTEY MEN BOOKS BUT IM GONNA SLUM IT WIT SOME FEIST RE-READZ YO

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/Feist_-_Magician_Coverart.png)

Loved this in my teens :bow2

Same.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 19, 2012, 06:11:51 AM
You follow her on twitter? She's very nice, doesn't beat that drum much at all actually. Talks more about WoW than you'd expect

aside from that one misstep the book is really damn enjoyable

good characters, good interactions, neat integration of fantasy and "reality"

i'm almost done with it and am quite smitten with everything up to this point.

about 60 pages from the end so it could all go to hell, but have enjoyed my time with it thus far
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 19, 2012, 06:47:20 AM
i know what i'm reading next!

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/oh-mr-darcy-pride-and-prejudice-among-classic-novels-to-receive-erotic-makeover-7946364.html

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In Wuthering Heights, heroine Catherine Earnshaw "enjoys bondage sessions" with Heathcliff while sleuth Sherlock Holmes has a sexual relationship with his sidekick Dr Watson in the new e-book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 20, 2012, 09:45:45 AM
Currently reading KJ Parker's Sharps.

So far it's better than The Hammer.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 21, 2012, 02:18:03 AM
Infinite Jest.

Just starting it, really. I had no idea I'd be LOL'ing at this book. Christ, the culmination of the guy waiting for the marijuana delivery. :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 21, 2012, 02:26:47 AM
David Foster Wallace, when he wants to be, is probably the funniest modern American writer. His non-fiction essays are to-die-for.

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was :'(
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 21, 2012, 12:32:51 PM
David Foster Wallace, when he wants to be, is probably the funniest modern American writer. His non-fiction essays are to-die-for.

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was :'(
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Yeah, I was very surprised. I assumed it would insightful, but dour. Instead, I get this excellent POV of being inside the head of an addict, ending with something that felt like a scene from a Buster Keaton movie. The suspense in the opening scene was also well handled, and the payoff there as well.

And I'm coming directly off from a really mediocre-to-poor reading of L.A. Outlaws, by T. Jefferson Parker. The author's stuff is better-than-average airport bookstore material, but the ham-handed drama of the reading was really disappointing. Constantly, I had to mentally tone down the performances to get a read on the way I usually absorb Parker's dialog.

The gent doing the reading of Infinite Jest is nicely nuanced, reasonable subtle, and respectful of the material. Even so, I am apparently missing out on the footnotes, which I'll have to peep in a physical edition at some point.

What's the deal with "telephone console" and "entertainment cartridges," and "Year of the Depends Adult Disposable Diaper"? Is this an alternate reality? If so, what's the point?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 21, 2012, 01:40:51 PM
It's the near future. The US has switched overto Subsidized Time. You won't understand the order of the years until about 1/3 through. No footnotes is sad, footnotes are how DFW writes. A lot of hints, backstory, and even story are in those. Just get to them eventually. :)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 21, 2012, 01:45:46 PM
Ah, good to know, thanks!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 22, 2012, 12:43:27 AM
I just finished Broom of the System, which kinda wasn't that good, but there were bits that were fantastic that make me look forward to reading Infinite Jest at some point. It'll take a lot to top his non-fiction for me, though. Treesong is right.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on July 27, 2012, 03:33:06 PM
It's been a couple of weeks since I read anything.  I finished up ADWD and then burned through the Hunger Games trilogy and I just haven't found anything that I've been interested in reading lately.

Suggestions?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2012, 03:42:31 PM
You're missing about 1/4th of the book if you don't have the footnotes for Infinite Jest. I think there was one footnote that was like 20 pages long.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 27, 2012, 05:25:28 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rDfoaFkKL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-64,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41IbYeNuKNL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-63,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5142ES9VS1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Vizzys on July 27, 2012, 05:54:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yeTWy.jpg)

eon by greg bear

its p good so far

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Atramental on July 27, 2012, 07:20:46 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ibs1WsFzwm7klf.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on July 31, 2012, 03:40:39 PM
Finally started into Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell after ignoring its scrutinizing glares for so long as it sat on the shelf collecting dust.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 31, 2012, 04:13:14 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5142ES9VS1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

:rock
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 31, 2012, 07:53:24 PM
I'm reading Rainbow Six it's my first Tom Clancy book and I'm willing to guess that it's probably not the best one to start with. It's really dry and kinda boring.

However it got me thinking. Are there any books that deal with the world post some sort of apocalypse, not like zombies or whatever. something like The Stand but more serious? I've already read The Road.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 31, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
Eternity Road was interesting, and one of my favorites
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 31, 2012, 09:13:00 PM
there is a huge portion of post apocalyptic fiction which skews from serious (the road, as you know) to the bugshit insane (like the Ashes series, written by a leftist as a parody of right wing dogma in post apocalyptic thought)

Lucifer's Hammer - comet crashes into earth.  everyone is fucked
on the beach - nuclear war.  the final survivors flee to the coast of Australia to await the inevitable
canticle for leibowitz - my favorite sci-fi book.  a meditation on Catholicism in the face of three stages of post apocalyptic events.  does the unusual in that it shows the ramifications of the rebirth of society rather than everything being all Fallout all the time
alas, babylon - Jericho the book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 31, 2012, 10:13:20 PM
I'm reading Rainbow Six it's my first Tom Clancy book and I'm willing to guess that it's probably not the best one to start with. It's really dry and kinda boring.

However it got me thinking. Are there any books that deal with the world post some sort of apocalypse, not like zombies or whatever. something like The Stand but more serious? I've already read The Road.

Seriously, I tried reading Rainbow Six several times. I got about 200 pp. into it each time, and just gave up.

Also, there is quite a bit of postapocalypse fikshun out there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apocalyptic_and_post-apocalyptic_fiction

I'd even seen a YA series of books I recently saw, surprised that post-apocalypse would be a theme for that demographic; sadly, I can't remember the name.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 31, 2012, 11:16:39 PM
I finally dove into some DFW myself, over the weekend, in the shape of Consider the Lobster. Man, he's good.

Also recently enjoyed Lev Grossman's The Magician Kings and Jack McCallum's book on the Dream Team. Still spend most of my reading time on those books with the pictures though.
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Post by: chronovore on August 01, 2012, 01:37:35 AM
I finally dove into some DFW myself, over the weekend, in the shape of Consider the Lobster. Man, he's good.

Also recently enjoyed Lev Grossman's The Magician Kings and Jack McCallum's book on the Dream Team. Still spend most of my reading time on those books with the pictures though.

Playboy or Penthouse?
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 02, 2012, 10:02:35 PM
(http://shelflove.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/1491.jpg)
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 04, 2012, 02:34:24 PM
(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1170964621l/79161.jpg)

A good, dry read in the vein of CV Wedgwood's Thirty Years War, another favorite of mine.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on August 04, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1320475957l/4703581.jpg)

Finished- was awesome.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 04, 2012, 06:33:08 PM
Does anyone have the second Kingkiller Chronicle book on Kindle that I could borrow?

I own it on Kindle but it looks like Lending is disabled. :(
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Post by: Cormacaroni on August 04, 2012, 07:56:03 PM
yeah, lending is a bullet point-only feature...almost every book I own says it is disabled. See if your library has it for Kindle loan, I guess!
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 04, 2012, 08:24:49 PM
What's depressing is at least one book I lent out last year (Master Li and Number Ten Ox) has (apparently) since had lending disabled. Garbage day!
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Post by: Mandark on August 05, 2012, 02:20:44 AM
The City & The City

Finished- was awesome.

Dat chase scene.

One of the few times as an adult I've been really, viscerally excited while reading a story.  I think I probably stood up while I was reading that sequence.
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Post by: Eric P on August 07, 2012, 08:30:48 AM
http://lavietidhar.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/al-qaeda-zombies-and-american-vampires-on-christopher-farnsworths-blood-oath/

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Let me sum it up for you: Cade, the President’s vampire, must save the United States from an Al-Qaeda zombie attack.

Perpetrated by Dr. Frankenstein.

Who is an ex-Nazi.

SOLD
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 09:40:23 AM
http://lavietidhar.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/al-qaeda-zombies-and-american-vampires-on-christopher-farnsworths-blood-oath/

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xOUGSl1wm7g/TGI7-7GhhhI/AAAAAAAAALk/QkaaMHHB75k/s320/Blood+Oath.jpg)
Quote
Let me sum it up for you: Cade, the President’s vampire, must save the United States from an Al-Qaeda zombie attack.

Perpetrated by Dr. Frankenstein.

Who is an ex-Nazi.

SOLD

:bow
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 07, 2012, 12:52:56 PM
finished The Coldest War, Book 2 of the Milkweed Triptych (Nazi steampunk X-men vs. British Warlock alternate history)

Like the first book it's a solid B-, fun but not amazing and way more fun to think about the possibilities than to enjoy the execution.
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Post by: Tasty on August 09, 2012, 12:26:57 AM
http://storybundle.com/

Are any of these any good?
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 09, 2012, 11:18:59 AM
http://storybundle.com/

Are any of these any good?

Um... obviously not?
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Post by: Eric P on August 09, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
It's like Indie Bundle stuff

If it were good, they'd set the prices, not you.

I'm currently reading Fredric Brown's His Name was Death and it is awesome.  Almost all Fredric Brown stuff I've read has been great great great stuff.

This is about a man who was on the straight and narrow for many years until he caught his wife cheating on him and murders her.  He gets away with it.  He then realizes that crime is easy and that he's been a sucker for playing by the rules, so he's going to start a counterfeiting using his print shop.  He develops the bills and a plan for how he's going to get the bills out there slowly, but then, some one makes a terrible mistake and his bills get out into circulation before he can stop them.  So he's decided that he has to murder his way out of his problems.  Should be a piece of cake, he's already gotten away with one and it should get easier with practice, right?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
http://storybundle.com/

Are any of these any good?

Um... obviously not?

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Mike Kayatta is a 27-year-old science-enthusiast who owns a Darth-Vader-shaped spatula and all of Fraggle Rock on DVD.He's terrible at guitar, but tries to make up for it by writing books, Choose Your Own Adventures, and videogame news and reviews for Escapist Magazine. Someday he's going to build a robot.

I dunno, seems pretty legit.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 11, 2012, 07:16:44 PM
Finished Rainbow Six

such a long and bloated book.
however it's still fairly entertaining. the villains plot is pretty heinous. it's somewhat predictable but it's enjoyable in the end.

Next book: Cloud Atlas.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on August 12, 2012, 08:19:19 PM
that's a...pronounced upward quality trend
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Post by: Eric P on August 15, 2012, 06:32:23 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8lwy39gdJ1qc82ouo1_400.jpg)

this is probably the most "summer read" book i've ever read.

300 pages which i read in one sitting after waking up at 2 AM having ingested some ill advised late afternoon coffee.

Aside from one Fridged Woman it's pretty damn good.  It's unfortunately a trilogy but i'll admit that i'm kind of curious to see where it will go from here


I wrote up something a bit better for goodreads so i'll copy pasta here

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I read this in one three hour sitting after being unable to fall asleep again having been shocked awake by a nightmare most likely caused by ill-advised complimentary coffee at 5 PM.

Nice Guy Noir, I suppose is one way to put this.  A man; polite, pragmatic, thoughtful tries to convince the rest of the police organization in Concord that a suicide isn't a suicide but rather a murder.  The issue is that no one really cares as they have more pressing concerns, that of a 6 kilometer wide meteor which will slam into the earth in mere months.

This is a fairly good plot, seemingly designed for film (the book is the first part of a trilogy).  I don't think it really handles the "end of the world and thus the end of society" angle very well, but as this takes place in a very small city, there is a degree of isolation and thus believability that not too much craziness has hit this particular location.

The characters are fairly well done aside from a woman who exists to be fridged (Jesus, really? it's 2012).  The final reveal on the murderer seems somewhat out of place from what we see of them in the book and their own explanation for the events doesn't quite gel right (which kind of ties into the whole not a very good handling of pre-apocalypse).

The main issue with this book is that though the lead character is in danger several times and has guns pulled on him, gets severely beaten, etc you know that as the first part of a trilogy that nothing bad will really happen to this character.  You still have to sell two more books.

Worth a read but don't really expect anything mind-blowing.  I'll probably track down the author's other books to see what they're like.


update: well at least the dude branched out from crap like Sense and Sensibility and Seamonsters as well as Android Karenina

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Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 15, 2012, 09:01:05 AM
great book, although i do think the judge is an overrated and overwritten character

every time he took center stage it would jar me into thinking "oh. this is a book. right."

he's the mary sue of western villains
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 15, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
really enjoying Cloud Atlas.

I'm at the second "section" of it. the writing is just really good. quality stuff.
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Post by: Eric P on August 15, 2012, 09:52:55 AM
i found a copy of Cloud Atlas on the street last night.  I will probably read that next
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 01, 2012, 09:05:58 PM
Cloud Atlas is all sorts of great. I'm on the last chapter. I love the way the writing and tone changes between the chapters and yet it still maintains being engaging.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2012, 01:13:33 AM
About 60/300 pages into this after a friend recommended it:

(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1338161553l/11447921.jpg)

Beautiful Ruins by Jess Walter


It's freaking fantastic so far.  The prose is so good.  Reads fast, clever, funny.  The first chapter was kind of ok, but by the second chapter the book is just wowwow. 
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Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2012, 01:43:37 AM
jesus christ, the prose in this book.

Random quote from a page I just read (I could grab like one per page if I wanted)
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"Words and emotions are simple currencies.  If we inflate them, they lose their value, just like money.  They begin to mean nothing.  Use 'beautiful' to describe a sandwich and the word means nothing.  Since the war, there is no more room for inflated language.  Words and feelings are small now-clear and precise.  Humble like dreams"
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 02, 2012, 02:03:32 AM
jesus christ, the prose in this book.

Random quote from a page I just read (I could grab like one per page if I wanted)
Quote
"Words and emotions are simple currencies.  If we inflate them, they lose their value, just like money.  They begin to mean nothing.  Use 'beautiful' to describe a sandwich and the word means nothing.  Since the war, there is no more room for inflated language.  Words and feelings are small now-clear and precise.  Humble like dreams"

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm7jzrrxem1qjv48ho1_1280.jpg)

Currently reading:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51k4TsKIh8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51R35Y5ZWEL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

(it's back to my warhammer 40k pile after this, promise)

Read this real quick last night since its short and I wanted to feel like my vacation wasnt all VIDJAS:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kAzGBiLiL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
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Post by: Spurgeon on September 02, 2012, 05:15:45 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511fa52oQaL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

I saw the movie as a child, and finally got around to reading it. It's a short book, but Captain Freedom was sorely missed. If you come across a copy that has the The Importance of Being Bachman essay, skip it as it spoils the ending. Thankfully a friend warned me ahead of time.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mLPYxW41L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

I followed this pretty closely when it went down, but there were still some new revelations in there for me. I was neutral to Jimmy Kimmel before, but I thought he came out looking better than anyone else in the end. I was also surprised to the extent that Jerry Seinfeld is an NBC sycophant.



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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 22, 2012, 10:54:09 AM

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mLPYxW41L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

I followed this pretty closely when it went down, but there were still some new revelations in there for me. I was neutral to Jimmy Kimmel before, but I thought he came out looking better than anyone else in the end. I was also surprised to the extent that Jerry Seinfeld is an NBC sycophant.

This was a good one.  I remember a lot of people pissing and moaning about how it wasn't pro-Conan enough before I read it, which made me realize that it was probably a pretty good book.
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Post by: Eric P on September 27, 2012, 04:45:54 PM
so JK Rowling's Casual Vacancy sounds as awesome as the Harry Potter books

http://storify.com/requireshate/the-casual-vacancy

I'm currently reading

(http://media.npr.org/assets/bakertaylor/covers/s/subversives/9780374257002_custom-bc03cf92a6c9f35828d16aa2ee22e15b3fcf8b84-s15.jpg)

spoiler: Hoover is a jerk
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2012, 05:00:26 PM
so JK Rowling's Casual Vacancy sounds as awesome as the Harry Potter books

http://storify.com/requireshate/the-casual-vacancy

OMG, is that real? Gonna have to download that. :lol
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Post by: Robo on September 27, 2012, 05:28:34 PM
"She had a way of moving that moved him as much as music, which was what moved him most of all."

Amazing.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2012, 07:24:06 PM
"She had a way of moving that moved him as much as music, which was what moved him most of all."

Amazing.

Like fuck he does, the cunt.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2012, 07:29:54 PM
Haha, those quotes absolutely SCREAM "Hey, I can write things other than Harry Potter kids books, you guys!!"
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2012, 10:28:32 PM
That Rowling book sounds very interesting
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Post by: Shaka Khan on September 29, 2012, 04:06:18 AM
My brain can't take more text-book reading, I need to be reminded of how fun reading used to be. I need a suggestion, any suggestion, as long as it's not 500-page fantasy book from an ongoing series. Biography suggestions are more favorable, fwiw.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 29, 2012, 08:39:12 AM
New kindle comes out next week. I need to figure out what my first book is going to be on it. I finished Eternity Road yesterday. Found it pretty good but the ending was anticlimactic.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 29, 2012, 09:34:27 AM
My brain can't take more text-book reading, I need to be reminded of how fun reading used to be. I need a suggestion, any suggestion, as long as it's not 500-page fantasy book from an ongoing series. Biography suggestions are more favorable, fwiw.

(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1333579868l/13030260.jpg)

read the hell out of this
Title: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Shaka Khan on September 29, 2012, 01:06:36 PM
I read the synopsis and bought the hell out of it. Thanks!
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2012, 01:06:14 PM
What are some good horror books? One I've seen that looks interesting is "The Terror".

Need something new for my new Kindle and i havent touched the horror genre in books yet.
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Post by: bud on October 02, 2012, 01:26:06 PM
can anyone recommend me a good legal thriller?
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 02, 2012, 01:29:35 PM
Casual Vacancy appears to be quite the horror book, fistful

"Andrew returned to his contemplation of the dirty window with an ache in his heart and in his balls"
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Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2012, 02:09:38 PM
What are some good horror books? One I've seen that looks interesting is "The Terror".

Need something new for my new Kindle and i havent touched the horror genre in books yet.

what kind of horror do you want?

slow creepy tension based or splatter?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2012, 02:19:06 PM
probably something slow and more methodical would be my taste.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 02:25:50 PM
probably something slow and more methodical would be my taste.

House of Leaves, although I imagine reading it on an e-book probably isn't nearly as good.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2012, 02:30:08 PM
why?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 02:39:10 PM
Because this page is fairly representative of the whole:

(http://i.imgur.com/sfhzU.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2012, 02:43:25 PM
Because this page is fairly representative of the whole:

(http://i.imgur.com/sfhzU.jpg)

huh... how does that even work?

edit: there isn't even a kindle version anyway.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 02:46:31 PM
Because this page is fairly representative of the whole:

(http://i.imgur.com/sfhzU.jpg)

huh... how does that even work?

Not easily! But I thought it was pretty cool back in high school, haven't read it since then, though.
Title: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 02, 2012, 02:51:40 PM
My brain can't take more text-book reading, I need to be reminded of how fun reading used to be. I need a suggestion, any suggestion, as long as it's not 500-page fantasy book from an ongoing series. Biography suggestions are more favorable, fwiw.

(http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1333579868l/13030260.jpg)

read the hell out of this

:omg :o :hyper
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Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2012, 03:09:56 PM
probably something slow and more methodical would be my taste.

Do you mind older, flowery language?
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
yeah thats fine.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 03:14:09 PM
Shadow over Innsmouth and At the Mountains of Madness, then.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2012, 03:14:34 PM


:omg :o :hyper

RIGHT?!  RIGHT?!
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2012, 03:22:35 PM
At the Mountains of Madness, then.

this works

and its only 99 cents!

those two are pretty short so any other recommendations would be cool!
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Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2012, 03:26:26 PM
yeah thats fine.

MR James is the absolute master of the English Language Ghost Tale and all of his stuff is free.

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/8486
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 02, 2012, 03:52:04 PM
try some ambrose bierce short stories, too (for some reality horror read some of his civil war stuff)
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
thanks guys  :)
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 19, 2012, 03:36:41 PM
I started reading The Terror by Dan Simmons and I'm really enjoying it.
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Post by: Eric P on October 19, 2012, 06:32:41 PM
I am reading A Pretty Mouth and it is fucking phenomenal.

It's a collection of short stories dealing with this cursed family where each short story works its way back through time to go into the origins of how the family has changed over time.

SO GOOD
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 19, 2012, 06:38:07 PM
Eric P. We need to talk.
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Post by: Eric P on October 20, 2012, 09:22:16 AM
the baby isn't mine
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 20, 2012, 12:42:31 PM
Finishing The Wise Mans Fear finally after months, god Kvothe is annoying. But I cant help to wonder where this leads.

I need to find me some real fantasy shit, none of this coming to age bullshit.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 11, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
Finished The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie, recommended by Prole.

Holy shit, this exactly what I wanted to read, mature, no coming of age, anti heroes. Great stuff, I read 300 pages in one go last night. Went out today to buy the second book in the trilogy, Before They Are Hanged. Already 70 pages in...
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Post by: Eric P on November 11, 2012, 05:12:43 PM
try some JK Parker.  The Folding Knife should do the trick
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2012, 07:16:42 PM
KJ Parker
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Post by: Eric P on November 11, 2012, 07:38:00 PM
typos!
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2012, 07:49:50 PM
dunno man, that could be cognitive dysfunction induced by adrenal downregulation, best get a blood panel done and check your glutathione lvls /paleo humor
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 11, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
shit that's probably the case.

i sat next to someone who ate a hot dog today so that may be destroying my gut as we speak
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Post by: chronovore on November 12, 2012, 02:37:33 AM
Finished The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie, recommended by Prole.

Holy shit, this exactly what I wanted to read, mature, no coming of age, anti heroes. Great stuff, I read 300 pages in one go last night. Went out today to buy the second book in the trilogy, Before They Are Hanged. Already 70 pages in...

I'm reading Best Served Cold, by the same author. It's pretty gruesome, so if you're liking Joe, that's kind of his thing.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 12, 2012, 11:46:53 AM
Gonna finish reading this trilogy first then see whats next.

Im wondering if my GF will like these books or if they are too sadistic and gruesome in some areas.
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Post by: Eric P on November 12, 2012, 11:50:32 AM
I'm reading Byron Crawford's Mindset of a Champion.  Crawford is a long time hip hop blogger and this book is essentially grimey street tails about being a blogger.  Pretty funny stuff to read.  Very short, very fast read. 

His blog is also great if you like Hip Hop
http://www.byroncrawford.com/
NSFW though.
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Post by: chronovore on November 12, 2012, 09:04:51 PM
Reading Tina Fey's autobiography, Bossypants. It has been making me laugh a lot, to the point where Japanese people nearby think I'm probably dangerous. Or crazy.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2012, 01:53:51 AM
I'm reading Byron Crawford's Mindset of a Champion.  Crawford is a long time hip hop blogger and this book is essentially grimey street tails about being a blogger.  Pretty funny stuff to read.  Very short, very fast read. 

His blog is also great if you like Hip Hop
http://www.byroncrawford.com/
NSFW though.

Crawford has never taken any shit from anyone, dude is boss
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Post by: Eric P on November 13, 2012, 09:07:51 AM
I've just started reading The Giant Thief in which a fantasy ne'er-do-well never does well and steals a giant, which in this book is treated as a semi intelligent mech.  The book is light, almost like Terry Pratchett without the puns and asides and acts as an antidote to the current GRIMDARK flavor of a lot of recommended fantasy books.  I picked up the book because Lavie Tidhar told me too calling it "slacker fantasy."

http://lavietidhar.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/introducing-slacker-fantasy-david-tallermans-giant-thief-and-the-reluctance-of-agency/\

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The Western tradition of genre writing has certain demands. It requires plot – it requires action – it requires active, not passive, heroes.  And while Giant Thief fits into the recognisable mode of traditional Western fantasy it also… doesn’t.

I’ll call it Slacker Fantasy. I’m not quite sure what to call this novel. It might have the feel of sword and sorcery, but it has little interest in either sword or sorcery. It isn’t really a Biblical epic. It isn’t really epic in any sense of the word, certainly not Epic Fantasy with its multiple cast of characters and large scale fantasy-world (usually the size of Wales, admittedly) conflict.

There isn’t even much conflict as such in this book. There’s just Damasco, the thief, dragged along into events he has no control over and no real interest in. Even Bilbo Baggins set of to steal a treasure of his own volition. Easie, here, just wants to be left alone.

And this is interesting to me. This is not Thomas Covenant battling the question of reality, and it isn’t the everyman character who discovers a magical London or wherever and is dragged into its mysteries.

More than anything, what Giant Thief does with its reluctance of agency is resemble a host of slacker movies, featuring sympathetic but essentially passive characters. Dude, Where’s My Car? or Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure seem to me to be the precursors to this tale of slacker fantasy.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 13, 2012, 10:28:18 PM
I'm reading Byron Crawford's Mindset of a Champion.  Crawford is a long time hip hop blogger and this book is essentially grimey street tails about being a blogger.  Pretty funny stuff to read.  Very short, very fast read. 

His blog is also great if you like Hip Hop
http://www.byroncrawford.com/
NSFW though.

I read this book in its entirety throughout the day today.  Amazing read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 14, 2012, 07:05:58 AM
i can't believe i used the wrong "tales"
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 14, 2012, 07:57:44 AM
Isnt this slacker attitude a bit hard to enjoy in a book form? I don't know if I could read a whole book where the main character only wants to chillax with a bong.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 14, 2012, 09:50:45 AM
Well he basically just doesn't have any overreaching goals other than "try to survive on a day to day basis."  He's in the situations but they're not of his doing.  He just wants to chillax but life won't let him.  I'm about 40% of the way through and it's fairly entertaining.  It's not a major work of fiction or anything, but it's a fun little romp.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 14, 2012, 12:48:04 PM
I always thought an interesting fantasy 'hook' would be to tell a story from the perspective of a weapon maker. Someone who helps facilitate wars, hero quests, death, murder, etc. But has an intimate relationship with the people he provides to.

 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bacchus7 on November 14, 2012, 02:07:22 PM
Paradise Lost and Don Quixote (Edith Grossman transl.).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 14, 2012, 02:18:11 PM
So dude would just sit in his forge all day, forging n shit. Could be cool if they keep it short/novel style.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 14, 2012, 03:02:50 PM
Paradise Lost :bow2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2012, 07:05:14 PM
Well he basically just doesn't have any overreaching goals other than "try to survive on a day to day basis."  He's in the situations but they're not of his doing.  He just wants to chillax but life won't let him.  I'm about 40% of the way through and it's fairly entertaining.  It's not a major work of fiction or anything, but it's a fun little romp.

That does sound basically like the Arthur Dent/Rincewind template though
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2012, 07:07:29 PM
I always thought an interesting fantasy 'hook' would be to tell a story from the perspective of a weapon maker. Someone who helps facilitate wars, hero quests, death, murder, etc. But has an intimate relationship with the people he provides to.
 

until the day when the man who has renounced war must once again take up the sword he has forged! The one so good he never let any of the other fucks use it! AND KILL KILL KILL
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 14, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
abercrombie's "red country," which is a fantasy western. so far, so good.
Title: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 14, 2012, 09:35:51 PM
Well he basically just doesn't have any overreaching goals other than "try to survive on a day to day basis."  He's in the situations but they're not of his doing.  He just wants to chillax but life won't let him.  I'm about 40% of the way through and it's fairly entertaining.  It's not a major work of fiction or anything, but it's a fun little romp.

That does sound basically like the Arthur Dent/Rincewind template though

Yeah actually. Closer to Rincewind. I realized that was a near perfect analog earlier.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 14, 2012, 10:52:58 PM
kinda embarrassing but i'm reading the recent Halo book. Primordial

yeah yeah
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 14, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
I finished Cloud Atlas.  Interesting book.  Didn't completely love it as there were some pacing issues and some tales were better than others, but the overall scope and way it played together was quite impressive and I'm very glad to have read it.  Once I finished it, I picked it up again at page 1 because I had some time to kill and the book left me thinking.

Going to see the movie on Saturday night (it's ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND A THEATER STILL PLAYING IT ARGHGHH) and then will have more thoughts.  Kind of going to put it on the low burn until I see it. 


I did watch the 4 min theatrical trailer #1 right after I finished it and my eyes were swelling up because it was SO PERFECT in terms of it felt like I was watching what I had just read come to life.  I'm quite excited to see it this weekend.  I think the book is one that will be even better on 2nd read, and the movie will be my 2nd passthrough.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 15, 2012, 10:26:56 AM
abercrombie's "red country," which is a fantasy western. so far, so good.

i have that on my kindle ready to go but i dunno if i can jump from fantasy to fantasy
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 15, 2012, 12:35:46 PM
abercrombie's "red country," which is a fantasy western. so far, so good.

i have that on my kindle ready to go but i dunno if i can jump from fantasy to fantasy

this is only possible if you're jumping up
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 15, 2012, 01:08:16 PM
yeah but i just spent the past year in a crazy fantasy world with no connection to reality. #electionyear
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2012, 03:01:32 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bwmScnM-L.jpg)

Got this biznas loaded up on my nook and ready to go.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on November 16, 2012, 07:12:46 PM
I'm reading Cloud Atlas too and really enjoying it.  No interest in seeing the movie, however.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on November 17, 2012, 02:11:12 AM
abercrombie's "red country," which is a fantasy western. so far, so good.

Bookmarked, thanks. I'm enjoying one of his right now, "Best Served Cold."

Interesting: no Kindle version, only HB, PB, and Audible.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 17, 2012, 11:09:38 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qTzgAVajL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 18, 2012, 08:01:30 AM
I'm currently reading Adam Nevill's The Ritual which just won the British Fantasy Award for Best Horror and it's kind of fucking me up.

4 dudes in their 30s who have been lifelong friends take a hike together in Sweden.  The weather is awful, half of them are out of shape, so they're having a miserable time the other half are tired of putting up with the fat half and to make things worse they get lost in a fairly primeval part of the forest looking for a shortcut that doesn't exist.  Then they come across the totem and shit goes downhill really fast.

I'm about 20% in but it's already gotten my attention with the characters, the situation and some fairly brilliant perspective shifts into 2nd person when BAD THINGS are happening.

it should still shit the bed, of course, but daaaaaaaaamn so far this is pretty great.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 18, 2012, 02:53:05 PM
I saw that book somewhere in a bookshop but thought it might be tripe... might have to reconsider now.

Has anyone here ever read any Clive Barker stuff? I'd like to try out but don't know where to start.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 18, 2012, 05:54:19 PM
I saw that book somewhere in a bookshop but thought it might be tripe... might have to reconsider now.

Has anyone here ever read any Clive Barker stuff? I'd like to try out but don't know where to start.

His kiddie stuff, the Abarat series is actually pretty good.

(http://i.imgur.com/gYpYg.jpg)

He also did the illustrations.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 18, 2012, 09:17:18 PM
I saw that book somewhere in a bookshop but thought it might be tripe... might have to reconsider now.

Has anyone here ever read any Clive Barker stuff? I'd like to try out but don't know where to start.

I think Imajica is a stunning piece of work. I've read it about 4 times. It's a huge epic fantasy though, and you don't seem to like those so much. Weaveworld is a similar thing but a tad more grounded and smaller scale. If you just want horror, then the Books of Blood are the place to start.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on November 19, 2012, 02:56:19 AM
I saw that book somewhere in a bookshop but thought it might be tripe... might have to reconsider now.

Has anyone here ever read any Clive Barker stuff? I'd like to try out but don't know where to start.

I think Imajica is a stunning piece of work. I've read it about 4 times. It's a huge epic fantasy though, and you don't seem to like those so much. Weaveworld is a similar thing but a tad more grounded and smaller scale. If you just want horror, then the Books of Blood are the place to start.

I thought it was just "the chosen one" tripe style of extruded fantasy product that was off limits. Imajica is epic, but not trope-riddled.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2012, 03:32:25 AM
I'm currently reading Adam Nevill's The Ritual which just won the British Fantasy Award for Best Horror and it's kind of fucking me up.

4 dudes in their 30s who have been lifelong friends take a hike together in Sweden.  The weather is awful, half of them are out of shape, so they're having a miserable time the other half are tired of putting up with the fat half and to make things worse they get lost in a fairly primeval part of the forest looking for a shortcut that doesn't exist.  Then they come across the totem and shit goes downhill really fast.

I'm about 20% in but it's already gotten my attention with the characters, the situation and some fairly brilliant perspective shifts into 2nd person when BAD THINGS are happening.

it should still shit the bed, of course, but daaaaaaaaamn so far this is pretty great.

The Amazon description/preview sound awesome, ill have to check this out
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 19, 2012, 06:04:33 AM
I used to love H.E.R. Clive Barker.  I think that you can't really go wrong with Imagica, The Books of Blood (it really can't be said how important these works are to contemporary horror), The Damnation Game, and I'd like to give a shout out to Coldheart Canyon which is a wonderful little love letter to old Hollywood.  Well, a love letter with lots of ghosts and orgies.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 20, 2012, 07:33:58 AM
my book took a turn for the weird.

now it's into a totally other trope and has basically become a second novel.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 20, 2012, 07:41:39 AM
There seems to be consensus around the Books of Blood, duly noted.

I saw that book somewhere in a bookshop but thought it might be tripe... might have to reconsider now.

Has anyone here ever read any Clive Barker stuff? I'd like to try out but don't know where to start.

His kiddie stuff, the Abarat series is actually pretty good.

(http://i.imgur.com/gYpYg.jpg)

He also did the illustrations.

Oh man I remember I started to read this, enjoy it , but never finish it. Might have to give it another go.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 20, 2012, 08:17:03 AM
the damnation game is a little raw, but it's the best post-industrial vampire tale on the market.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 20, 2012, 08:52:03 AM
the damnation game is a little raw, but it's the best post-industrial vampire tale on the market.

i am legend is post-industrial.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 21, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
finished The Ritual and really liked it even if the ending was happier than I like in horror.  It seemed a bit too optimistic concerning all which had come before.  Yes horrible things happen to everyone and the book takes a turn for the normal at the half-way point but even as the book threatens to slide into mediocrity, it keeps a Joe R Lansdale level of seemingly constant violence and threats of violence going.  Highly recommended.

I've been reading off and on Scalzi's Red Shirts, it's a cute little meta-homage to the thankless ensigns who regularly meet their death in Star Trek.  Cute but nothing world shattering.

Started to read this small short story collection entitled Jagannath translated from the Swedish by the original author, Karin Tidbek.  The first story was amazing.  About a man who falls in love with an airship and a woman who falls in love with a steam engine and their uneasy relationship to each other.  The second story was also good but not as good about a girl putting together her dead father's affairs at the commune where she grew up. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 23, 2012, 02:54:38 PM
The Last Policeman, a book I very much enjoyed, is $3 on Kindle right now

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0076Q1GW2/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B0076Q1GW2&linkCode=as2&tag=boiboi0b-20

no idea how long that price will last
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Barry Egan on November 23, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
(http://chamberfour.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/await-your-reply.jpg)

just started, but I do appreciate the spare prose and the almost instant sense of loneliness Chaon creates.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 26, 2012, 09:20:25 AM
I enjoyed that book quite a bit though I didn't really like the ending.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/scifi/1/0/p/y/0/-/Between-Two-Fires_Buehlman.JPG)
And yoooooooooooooo Between Two Fires is amazing.  It is basically the tale of a disgraced excommunicated knight on a quest, to protect a girl while she makes her way to Avignon during the plague years.  It treats both the Heavenly Host and the Fallen as unknowable cosmic horrors with humanity caught in the middle between two uncaring factions in the absence of God.  Things which are "good" cause madness as just as well as those things which are "evil."  It's a really interesting take on both Paradise Lost and Cosmic Horror.  So if you're a fantasy nerd, you should probably check this out, if you're a horror/Lovecraft/Cosmic Horror nerd, you should probably check this out and if you're a Lapsed Catholic you should check this out.  I'm not finished with it, but it is VERY GOOD and gets my recommendation thus far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2012, 09:29:24 AM
The Last Policeman, a book I very much enjoyed, is $3 on Kindle right now

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0076Q1GW2/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B0076Q1GW2&linkCode=as2&tag=boiboi0b-20

no idea how long that price will last

the price has gone back up. The lesson is clear - next time, don't stop to post at the Bore, just gift it to me
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 26, 2012, 09:54:02 AM
Still showing it on sale for me, so I just gifted it to you.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Freyj on November 26, 2012, 04:16:22 PM
The Twelve

Got this biznas loaded up on my nook and ready to go.

Feel overwhelmingly "meh" about this one. I liked The Passage, more than it probably deserved, but man
spoiler (click to show/hide)
so little actually happens across a vast majority of the book. Guilder, Lila and Gray's shit is boring in 0 and 97 A.V. I enjoyed the other 0 A.V. characters, but for their entire purpose to be "Alicia's Grandparents" is sort of a shitty payoff. If Cronin starts the next book with another 40% of 0 A.V. I'm going to be angry.

Peter wanders around to a few different places, Michael joins up, Hollis joins up, Tifty joins up. Everyone meets at the Homeland after very little else has actually happened. Bomb. Now it's just Zero, Amy and Carter. Come back next time.
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Despite all the complaints, I guess I didn't mind the book. Eh.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Sure to be a much better read (tonight!):

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 26, 2012, 10:41:21 PM
I enjoyed that book quite a bit though I didn't really like the ending.

http://0.tqn.com/d/scifi/1/0/p/y/0/-/Between-Two-Fires_Buehlman.JPG
And yoooooooooooooo Between Two Fires is amazing.  It is basically the tale of a disgraced excommunicated knight on a quest, to protect a girl while she makes her way to Avignon during the plague years.  It treats both the Heavenly Host and the Fallen as unknowable cosmic horrors with humanity caught in the middle between two uncaring factions in the absence of God.  Things which are "good" cause madness as just as well as those things which are "evil."  It's a really interesting take on both Paradise Lost and Cosmic Horror.  So if you're a fantasy nerd, you should probably check this out, if you're a horror/Lovecraft/Cosmic Horror nerd, you should probably check this out and if you're a Lapsed Catholic you should check this out.  I'm not finished with it, but it is VERY GOOD and gets my recommendation thus far.

I've been reading Apocalypse Z and almost done. This will be what I move on to next. So thanks.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 27, 2012, 04:37:42 AM
Still showing it on sale for me, so I just gifted it to you.



:bow

Muchas gracias!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 28, 2012, 09:37:16 AM
20 pages from the end of Between Two Fires.  I was hoping to wrap it up last night but ended up being out later than anticipated.

On the train this morning I started this
(http://www.chicagoreader.com/imager/b/magnum/7372291/9300/Darkest-America-magnum.jpg)
Which naturally got me some double takes.  I'm only 20 pages in but the book is going to try to explore minstrelsy and show that though it was used by whites to confirm stereotypes that it's also a legitimate form of expression with some extremely complex history within the black community.

bonus: Judy Garland in blackface

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Y2Ll24GRU
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Freyj on November 30, 2012, 12:29:21 AM
(http://i.minus.com/jbjQXhqxrxltYM.jpg)

 :bow Butcher :bow2

So much better than Ghost Story.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 04, 2012, 05:07:25 AM
http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2012/12/43-sffh-kindle-ebook-deals-under-3/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Sfsignal+%28SFSignal%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

SciFi signal has compiled several scifi / horror / etc ebooks which are under $3

I just wanted to plug 999 which is one of my favorite horror anthologies and is honestly the one book which made me get back into horror after a several year absence

Several good stories with a few stinkers (it is an anthology so it comes with the territory) by several luminaries of the field
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2012, 05:49:44 PM
Had to do some test monitoring today, which is code for "sit quietly for 2 hours", so I picked up this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Py-rP96UL.jpg)

It's a light, breezy read about mysterious bookstores, strange codes, and cute girls that work at Google. I plowed through about half of it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 04, 2012, 06:46:52 PM
I've seen that around.  Is it worth reading?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 04, 2012, 08:17:14 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512XjUQzZoL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

These are always fun to read
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2012, 08:26:04 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51e71GZ4kML._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-66,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

The Art of Learning, by Josh Waitzkin (the chess master profiled in 'Searching for Bobby Fischer', now all growed up and a world champion in tai chi, and budding BJJ competitor...)

Really enjoying this. He has some concrete insights into the learning process that explain a lot of things I've wondered about for years. Also just a fascinating story about a very unusually accomplished and charming individual.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 07, 2012, 10:26:08 AM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 07, 2012, 11:48:32 AM
(http://www.vol1brooklyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/death-sentences-cover.jpg)
it's awesome.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 09, 2012, 06:56:22 PM
To break up the string of dry non-fiction history books I've been reading as of late:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsjFDCe-0u7dNrLLfz5jMZTuvgjXXD2eA9TnLnfeVFv4LvyAlPVw)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXIOy2x9O0-xOMTHI1pSH3IT7-c5qM3vBGz_9bwJlET9Fy5ryFNw)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 09, 2012, 08:19:54 PM
I thought you read those ages ago!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on December 09, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
Read through The Informers last week.  Can't get enough of Ellis (though I suspect that might change when I get around to reading Lunar Park.)

Considering watching the movie . . .
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 09, 2012, 09:14:38 PM
I thought you read those ages ago!

Sometimes I like to re-read stuff especially if my interest in certain subjects flares up again.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 09, 2012, 09:21:08 PM
ah yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Both of those are pretty dense with new info for most people so you'll definitely gain a lot from re-reading it after some time digesting it/reading other material in the same field/observing how people around you eat + exercise etc

So, just how many pounds did you pack on playing Steam games then
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 09, 2012, 09:32:06 PM
ah yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Both of those are pretty dense with new info for most people so you'll definitely gain a lot from re-reading it after some time digesting it/reading other material in the same field/observing how people around you eat + exercise etc

So, just how many pounds did you pack on playing Steam games then

I wound up gaining 50 pounds from arguably the most in shape period of my life.  Then I dropped 30 pounds in a month and a half.  Then I gained it all back plus 10 to where I'm at now at 220 lbs.

I worked a lot of hours and my employer brought in a lot of really shitty food.  Then I had a lot of lunches and dinners which of course consisted of shit.  No time for a gym so the 12+ years of hard work are currently being squandered away.  I'm trying to fix a lot of this; I had a week off of work so I've been getting back to basics here.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 09, 2012, 09:39:09 PM
Flipping through the books is a good way to remind yourself to stay on track, I think. Even if you have already absorbed most of the info. Even just the weekly Paleo Solution podcast being in my iTunes is a good reminder, I find. (this is why people go to Church every Sunday too, I guess)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 09, 2012, 09:41:27 PM
I should subscribe to that as well.  I listen to Podcasts during my work day.  Would definitely keep me thinking about what I eat during the day.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Atramental on December 09, 2012, 10:50:06 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 09, 2012, 10:53:01 PM
I should subscribe to that as well.  I listen to Podcasts during my work day.  Would definitely keep me thinking about what I eat during the day.

Some good stuff out there. Also recommend the BioJacked podcast (not on iTunes though, booo. You have to google for it and listen via SoundCloud). That one is pretty close to your goals I'd guess - focus is on getting ripped, mostly. Some fantastic info in there. The Chris Kresser one is also good, with the focus being health and wellness...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 10, 2012, 07:14:03 AM
I enjoy The Latest in Paleo quite a bit.  Angelo Coppola does a pretty good job of just collecting general info from all over the place, so it's a good synthesis of many topics going around the community without having to actually endure the community (which I found almost impossible to do).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 10, 2012, 09:41:06 AM
Death Sentences was damn good.  Damn, damn good. 

I'm now reading Meg Abbot's Dare Me which is about cheerleaders in a series of escalations amongst each other eventually murder someone.  Heavenly Creatures without the weirdness

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Nintendosbooger on December 10, 2012, 11:28:00 AM
(http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/54990000/54996134.JPG)

75% done. Very well written, but I'm eagerly awaiting its end so I can move on to something lighter and totally unbelievable.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 10, 2012, 09:37:39 PM
I've read half of Dare Me today. 

It's really quite engrossing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 11, 2012, 09:59:20 AM
So I actually finished Dare Me last night and it is really really good.  It's basically a look at teenage girls which avoids both the "princess" stereotype and the "mean girls" stereotype while dealing with cheerleaders.  These are female characters who are fully realized with agency and are also, at times, really cruel to one another.  Basically a good look at teenage life in general, at least how I remember it, and it makes me so very glad that I do not have daughters.  Super Duper recommended
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2012, 12:29:04 AM
So, yeah, I decided to pick up a book from the Gor fantasy series today because it was one dollar and, hey, it might be good for a few laughs. It was actually the 18th in the series, maybe there's even more than that, I don't really know, but it probably doesn't matter. Well...uh...WOW. It was far worse than I thought was ever possible. You know, people accuse the Conan stories of being misogynist, and that's not an unfair claim, but this book ratchets that up to truly inconceivable heights.

The bulk of that angle centers around female slavery. Basically, taking women and humiliating them in the worst ways possible before collaring them and making them into sex slaves for men. There's not really anything new about that with the low-rent barbarian fantasy genre, except that it's not the bad guys doing that. It's EVERY man, including the "hero," aka Gor the dude from Earth. The book is in first-person, so obviously the narrator doesn't have any problems with that. He yammers constantly about how cool it is to enslave women. But it gets worse. The few named female characters in this story [there aren't many] all act like becoming a sex slave to a man is the greatest thing that's ever happened to them, including the one woman that was kidnapped from Earth. See, she was a slave back on Earth and didn't know it. Being a REAL slave is so liberating! Also, Gor, the hero, uses a naked woman as bait to try to catch some wild animal at one point in the story. Any slave that doesn't please her master is useless, and worthy only of being left behind to die in the wilderness.

The worst part is that the writing is so painfully bad and the dialogue is stilted, repetitive, and so, so dull. 90% of the story is just people talking on and on [which is mostly comprised of men talking about enslaving women and women talking about how great it is to be a sex slave] and there's much repetition within all that dialogue. Most of the lines of dialogue are just a few words that get repeated over and over, but sometimes there's a big long speech but it's still just the same stuff repeated over and over [again, generally about female slavery]. I tried reading some of it, but, like, nothing actually happened. NOTHING. It was just Gor treating women like dirt for 450 pages. Maybe a monster showed up, but why bother wading through a million pages of slop to find out if one ever does? Even within the realm of low-rent barbarian fantasy, the writing is really low. It makes Robert E. Howard read like Pulitzer Prize-winning fiction.

And it doesn't even have any good sex scenes. The story always cuts away before anything actually happens. Shame on you, John Norman.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 16, 2012, 02:34:23 AM
So, yeah, I decided to pick up a book from the Gor fantasy series today because it was one dollar and, hey, it might be good for a few laughs.

huah huah huah huah huah

it was.

just not yours
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
At least I'll be able to sleep at night knowing that not one cent of that $1 will ever make its way to John Norman's wallet.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 16, 2012, 12:58:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorean

that should help you sleep at night
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2012, 07:25:38 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on December 17, 2012, 10:52:22 PM
I'm going to read this with the book club:

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/05/30/arts/BOOK/BOOK-articleInline.jpg)

And life just got more difficult because I just found out about this and bought it:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61yrd%2B4TEdL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

That book is co-written by my favorite author and I didn't know he released it nearly a year ago.  I have no choice but to read it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 18, 2012, 07:25:39 AM
I wrapped Dark Heart of the Appalachian Trail yesterday. The marketing is far different than the actual book.  The book jacket makes it sound like it's going to be about people trying to solve a mystery but it's actually a grim character study which takes a turn for the lolwhut in the final 20 pages.  it's really well written with fairly good characters.  suffers from being white as hell though.

started We Think The World of you by the author of My Dog Tulip last night and got about half-way through it.  It's about a gay man who tries to care for his lover's dog while he's in prison and has to deal with his lover's family (like his mother and father....and his wife and child).  The introduction assures me this is a hilarious social satire but it's really like if Woody Allen made a movie where he's forced to deal with a lower social strata for the entire film.  I don't know if it's ignorance of class situations or what but this isn't really "funny" to me.  It's just a neurotic homosexual exasperated at all these cockneys.   
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on December 18, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
I'm reading a novelization of some videogame (http://greatgatsbygame.com/).  It's whatever.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2012, 03:04:23 AM
So, yeah, I decided to pick up a book from the Gor fantasy series today because it was one dollar and, hey, it might be good for a few laughs. It was actually the 18th in the series, maybe there's even more than that, I don't really know, but it probably doesn't matter. Well...uh...WOW. It was far worse than I thought was ever possible. You know, people accuse the Conan stories of being misogynist, and that's not an unfair claim, but this book ratchets that up to truly inconceivable heights.

The bulk of that angle centers around female slavery. Basically, taking women and humiliating them in the worst ways possible before collaring them and making them into sex slaves for men. There's not really anything new about that with the low-rent barbarian fantasy genre, except that it's not the bad guys doing that. It's EVERY man, including the "hero," aka Gor the dude from Earth. The book is in first-person, so obviously the narrator doesn't have any problems with that. He yammers constantly about how cool it is to enslave women. But it gets worse. The few named female characters in this story [there aren't many] all act like becoming a sex slave to a man is the greatest thing that's ever happened to them, including the one woman that was kidnapped from Earth. See, she was a slave back on Earth and didn't know it. Being a REAL slave is so liberating! Also, Gor, the hero, uses a naked woman as bait to try to catch some wild animal at one point in the story. Any slave that doesn't please her master is useless, and worthy only of being left behind to die in the wilderness.

The worst part is that the writing is so painfully bad and the dialogue is stilted, repetitive, and so, so dull. 90% of the story is just people talking on and on [which is mostly comprised of men talking about enslaving women and women talking about how great it is to be a sex slave] and there's much repetition within all that dialogue. Most of the lines of dialogue are just a few words that get repeated over and over, but sometimes there's a big long speech but it's still just the same stuff repeated over and over [again, generally about female slavery]. I tried reading some of it, but, like, nothing actually happened. NOTHING. It was just Gor treating women like dirt for 450 pages. Maybe a monster showed up, but why bother wading through a million pages of slop to find out if one ever does? Even within the realm of low-rent barbarian fantasy, the writing is really low. It makes Robert E. Howard read like Pulitzer Prize-winning fiction.

And it doesn't even have any good sex scenes. The story always cuts away before anything actually happens. Shame on you, John Norman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorean

that should help you sleep at night

I met a woman in college who was into this scene. She was, um, going with this older guy, a lawyer. The lawyer was in an open marriage, and his wife was also into the Gor scene. The three of them wanted me to join into their scene; it was not something I was interested in. :eep
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 03:35:34 AM
sounds 50 Shades of Gay
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 19, 2012, 12:18:59 PM
Finished We Think The World of you.  I like the ending as the author scrambles for an overreaching theme and managed to tack on something that makes you actually reconsider all you'd read before, but as this is literally a coda that goes on for 20 pages it feels really divorced from what came before.

am now reading Victor Serge's Conquered City which is about St Petersburg immediately following the October Revolution and about the terrors of flushing out dissidents and counter-revolutionaries.  It's pro-revolution but anti-Stalin (by a dude who was hounded to his death by Stalinists in Mexico) so it should be an interesting read.  It's set up as a series of vignettes which tell an overreaching story. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 19, 2012, 04:05:41 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41psHeTDqSL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)


"finished" this recently, and I have finished in quotes there because the appendix serves as a resource by ordering the various rules as needed to implement them in your own exercises.

 The book approaches the idea of effective practice from every angle- helping others practice, practicing on your own, taking feedback, and how to put that feedback to your practice routines. It also frequently points out how NOT to do all of those things- sometimes being told how to do something incorrectly is as important as being told how to do it well IMO. So thumbs up n all that.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 07:32:12 PM
man, your Diablo III game is gonna be so killer now
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 19, 2012, 07:33:30 PM
hah, it's actually more for work- last thing you want to do is stop learning in the tech industry.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2012, 09:00:30 PM
At the beginning of this year I made a goal to read 50 books. I got to 40.

I may get to 41 depending on my mood, but suffice to say, I have not read so much in one year before. I've learned so much on so many subjects. Even though I didn't make my goal, I still feel really proud of myself.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 21, 2012, 10:12:05 AM
free ebooks from nightshade press

http://www.nightshadebooks.com/ebook-giveaway/


Username: freestuff
Password: myanprophecyaverted
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on December 21, 2012, 10:21:23 AM
free ebooks from nightshade press

http://www.nightshadebooks.com/ebook-giveaway/


Username: freestuff
Password: myanprophecyaverted

I don't know anything about those books.  Are they good?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 21, 2012, 10:27:46 AM
Osiris is supposed to be incredible
Wasteland gets good marks but I haven't read it. It's an anthology so you'll probably find something you like.


don't know anything about Seed
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on December 21, 2012, 10:30:41 AM
Works for me, picked them up!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on December 21, 2012, 09:38:43 PM
At the beginning of this year I made a goal to read 50 books. I got to 40.

I may get to 41 depending on my mood, but suffice to say, I have not read so much in one year before. I've learned so much on so many subjects. Even though I didn't make my goal, I still feel really proud of myself.

Christ, I've read like, seven? —and that's easily the most I've ever read in a year.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on December 21, 2012, 09:40:05 PM
Yeah, I think I'm at around 6-7 for the year as well.  I would love to try and commit to reading more, but when school is in, it just isn't possible to read that much.  However, I think setting myself a goal of 20 would be easily reachable.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2012, 09:54:49 PM
It's all about a kindle, guys. Try for a book a week. MOST books, if they're well written and at reasonable length can be read in just a few days. I was off on some weeks, and on some books I lingered on them for weeks without reading. One time I didn't for a month or two, but I picked up the slack.

Right now I'm reading Taiko (http://www.amazon.com/Taiko-Novel-Glory-Feudal-Japan/dp/1568364288) and A Feast For Crows.

I definitely read faster now than I did a year ago.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on December 21, 2012, 10:00:33 PM
I don't have that kind of time, unfortunately.  And frankly, it's a struggle for me to retain even the basic plot outlines of a quarter of that many books without anything approaching a one-a-week sort of frequency.  I'm not sure there's any value in it for me besides being a more stimulating time sink than say, watching Ink Master re-runs.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2012, 04:55:56 AM
jeez, i used to read at least 3 a week. But that was pre-Internet and such. Now it's more like one a week. Can't really imagine reading any less.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on December 22, 2012, 08:33:47 AM
You must do your reading before bed.  I know that the only time I can read is when I'm home, I don't have any homework, and my son is in bed.  Then, I will read, but only if I don't have any big tasks to get done around the house.

Also, I would assume that as long as you've been reading like you do, that you have naturally become somewhat of a speed-reader.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2012, 09:14:03 AM
well, for years I had 2hrs a day of commute time on trains. Books were the best way to kill that time before iPhones and such.  But my reading habits were established before my teens really - we had acres of dead trees in our house. Now, I couldn't exactly say WHEN i read but the Kindle or iPhone are never far away from me. When my kid was small, reading was about the only leisure I had...hours and hours of reading Kindle while trying to get her asleep etc...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 22, 2012, 09:14:53 AM
i literally never leave the house without a book
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2012, 09:17:06 AM
i literally never leave the house without a book


i literally never leave the house but when i do, it's with an ebook
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 22, 2012, 09:39:52 AM
I read about 60 books this year and I work some ridiculous hours.  A few of them were very dry 800+ page reads.

I thank the Kindle App for that.  I read when taking a dump, during a boring teleconference, before I go to sleep, during some boring weekend stretches, etc.  I mean, it has never been easier and more convenient to read.  Even buying books from Amazon is painless.  Just one click and you're done.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2012, 12:21:17 PM
I read about 60 books this year and I work some ridiculous hours.  A few of them were very dry 800+ page reads.

I thank the Kindle App for that.  I read when taking a dump, during a boring teleconference, before I go to sleep, during some boring weekend stretches, etc.  I mean, it has never been easier and more convenient to read.  Even buying books from Amazon is painless.  Just one click and you're done.

this.

It's the kindle, guys. WHen you can read practically anywhere, without worrying about space, you can finish a book in a matter of days.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 22, 2012, 01:17:52 PM
I'm at 25 for the year. I had a ~35 book pace going for most of the year, which would have kept me in line with last year. No Kindle here.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 22, 2012, 01:20:04 PM
I read generally slow and I HATE stopping before the end of a chapter so I mostly never bring my kindle around with me beyond the bus rides to work. I need a nice long stretch so I can at least get through a chapter or two.

The Paperwhite's ability to tell me how long in minutes I have until the end of a chapter is fucking GLORIOUS. And it's completely accurate too. I've tested it several times and it's spot on every time.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on December 22, 2012, 08:35:15 PM
The Paperwhite's ability to tell me how long in minutes I have until the end of a chapter is fucking GLORIOUS. And it's completely accurate too. I've tested it several times and it's spot on every time.

I didn't know they had that feature!  That's really cool.  If I weren't such a slave to B&N and the Nook, I would consider that.  Still though, the Nook app on my Nexus is the most convenient for me because of all the books I have *acquired* for no cost throughout the year.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2012, 09:17:23 PM
I read generally slow and I HATE stopping before the end of a chapter so I mostly never bring my kindle around with me beyond the bus rides to work. I need a nice long stretch so I can at least get through a chapter or two.

The Paperwhite's ability to tell me how long in minutes I have until the end of a chapter is fucking GLORIOUS. And it's completely accurate too. I've tested it several times and it's spot on every time.

I have never given a second's thought to what chapter I'm on or when it might end. I definitely don't speed-read because it's a pleasurable leisure activity - why would I rush it? If there is any secret to reading a ton of books, perhaps it is being able to pick up a book and instantly be right back in it, whether you read 2 lines or 200 pages
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on December 22, 2012, 09:45:36 PM
I prefer to stop at the end of a chapter, but I don't mind if I have to stop in the middle.  As for me, I don't read unless I've got 20 minutes or more to devote to it.  I like to be able to read more than just a few lines before I have to stop again.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2012, 09:46:58 PM
if I'm reading a good book, I'm a "one more chapter" person
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on December 22, 2012, 09:49:15 PM
I know exactly what you mean!  I just "have" to find out what is going to happen next!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2012, 10:45:36 PM
i literally never leave the house without a book


i literally never leave the house but when i do, it's with an ebook

:heartbeat
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 23, 2012, 12:28:13 AM
oh man penguin books has brought some awesome things into print again
Marsh's The Beetle
Gaskell's Lois The Witch
Lee's Virgin of The Seven Daggers

grabbed all three tonight.

I couldn't really get into my Russian book, so I checked out a bell hooks book after returning it
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 23, 2012, 10:25:44 AM
A sociopathic vice president at my work who is leaving for greener pastures let me keep her books for leadership.  Going to check these bad boys out:

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(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzk7LaXCWOeOBlUiLbRhenSffSA4lfKITJnOJibagpi912T3mRvA)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR20Np9fzXv8NcQLTf5WNjKQpo4PRX8FCGxvLU8Np9ZJqzx_VAKwA)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 23, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
Psycho-Cybernetics 2000 sounds like an awesome cyberpunk anthology.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 23, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
Some other ones:

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVmxlkPs1qFIubqNKk4yf5JOKcp0u0AMZoeILYLB4AkjUKu6z9)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRa1d2_AY6pQE_rT3bCe6ySibYb8JO10b5f733EwnsNCBaN7PN7)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 23, 2012, 04:18:07 PM
emotional intelligence is a classic.  Psycho Cebernetics can be thrown directly in the trash.  You might as well take a Scientology audit. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 23, 2012, 05:36:16 PM
At the last company i worked for, one of the executives bought and read that fucking fish book

it was then mandated that we follow its example

it made the place totally unbearable

edit: this was the same executive who mandated that everyone "drink the kool-aid!" when I pointed out that this was a reference to the jonestown massacre and was in kind of poor taste, we were given a presentation as a company intended to straighten us out on the whole thing.  "in fact, they didn't drink kool-aid, but flavorade" was the cornerstone of the executive's defense.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 25, 2012, 08:38:58 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzk7LaXCWOeOBlUiLbRhenSffSA4lfKITJnOJibagpi912T3mRvA)

Wow, what a bunch of creepy garbage.  If I put "Warning, Adult Children Play Here" at my work, I hope I get shitcanned.

Basically the story is about a woman who moved to Seattle with her husband who dies.  She gets promoted to lead a group of disgruntled people and was given a strict deadline by her hardass boss to improve morale.  Feeling trapped, a revelatory moment happens when she stumbles across this creepy sounding fish market (does this place even exist?) where every sentence spoken is cringe inducing and probably made up.  In fact, I think the whole story was made up.  So she tries to adopt this extremely cheesy way of management that she witnessed in the fish market, resulting in hard shelled motherfuckers having emotional breakdowns and crying as to why they are such meany doodoo heads to everyone else.  Everything turns around magically in a short order; everyone heaps masturbatory praise over this woman, who now every competitor wants to hire away for a high price.

That last sentence is probably why management wants to adopt this shitty program: it's a way for management to wholly reap the benefits while having their subordinates be all wacky and kooky and crazy and zany.  Then as you sacrifice your dignity to be considered a manchild, your boss gets hired away to your competitor for double the pay.

In the trash it goes!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 25, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
Sounds like Patch Adams: A Novelization
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Himu on December 25, 2012, 10:06:52 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzk7LaXCWOeOBlUiLbRhenSffSA4lfKITJnOJibagpi912T3mRvA)

Wow, what a bunch of creepy garbage.  If I put "Warning, Adult Children Play Here" at my work, I hope I get shitcanned.

Basically the story is about a woman who moved to Seattle with her husband who dies.  She gets promoted to lead a group of disgruntled people and was given a strict deadline by her hardass boss to improve morale.  Feeling trapped, a revelatory moment happens when she stumbles across this creepy sounding fish market (does this place even exist?) where every sentence spoken is cringe inducing and probably made up.  In fact, I think the whole story was made up.  So she tries to adopt this extremely cheesy way of management that she witnessed in the fish market, resulting in hard shelled motherfuckers having emotional breakdowns and crying as to why they are such meany doodoo heads to everyone else.  Everything turns around magically in a short order; everyone heaps masturbatory praise over this woman, who now every competitor wants to hire away for a high price.

That last sentence is probably why management wants to adopt this shitty program: it's a way for management to wholly reap the benefits while having their subordinates be all wacky and kooky and crazy and zany.  Then as you sacrifice your dignity to be considered a manchild, your boss gets hired away to your competitor for double the pay.

In the trash it goes!

ahahaha are you serious? This is for "leadership"? Really?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on December 25, 2012, 10:13:14 AM
Another example of how us white folk will buy damned near anything...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 25, 2012, 02:52:42 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzk7LaXCWOeOBlUiLbRhenSffSA4lfKITJnOJibagpi912T3mRvA)

Wow, what a bunch of creepy garbage.  If I put "Warning, Adult Children Play Here" at my work, I hope I get shitcanned.

Basically the story is about a woman who moved to Seattle with her husband who dies.  She gets promoted to lead a group of disgruntled people and was given a strict deadline by her hardass boss to improve morale.  Feeling trapped, a revelatory moment happens when she stumbles across this creepy sounding fish market (does this place even exist?) where every sentence spoken is cringe inducing and probably made up.  In fact, I think the whole story was made up.  So she tries to adopt this extremely cheesy way of management that she witnessed in the fish market, resulting in hard shelled motherfuckers having emotional breakdowns and crying as to why they are such meany doodoo heads to everyone else.  Everything turns around magically in a short order; everyone heaps masturbatory praise over this woman, who now every competitor wants to hire away for a high price.

That last sentence is probably why management wants to adopt this shitty program: it's a way for management to wholly reap the benefits while having their subordinates be all wacky and kooky and crazy and zany.  Then as you sacrifice your dignity to be considered a manchild, your boss gets hired away to your competitor for double the pay.

In the trash it goes!

ahahaha are you serious? This is for "leadership"? Really?

Yeah, there are some legitimate takeaways of the book but it twists them in such a way as to kill the purpose.  I think the underlining thought is to work with a positive attitude and enjoy your work.  How the book proposed to implement them is so very very wrong.

Another example of how us white folk will buy damned near anything...

The protagonist in this story is a latina.  Which is another underlying lesson of the book: it won't just be white males demoralizing and humiliating you anymore.  Women and minorities are free to share in the fun as well!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 31, 2012, 10:03:42 PM
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Robert Greene - Mastery

I like Robert Greene.  In spite of the effete handflappers (my new favorite pejorative term for butthurt nerds getting pissed off over insignificant shit) responding to books like 48 Laws of Power (a book cosigned by the likes of Will Smith, Jay-Z, and 50 Cent, among others) like someone took a dump in their cereal, there's a lot of good history lessons and starting points to be gleaned from his books.  Mastery is no different.  It's like Gladwell's Outliers but without the slimy con angle that Gladwell's books contain because Gladwell makes millions of dollars a year on the speech circuit.  Kind of reminds me of Tim Ferriss's books where some of it is sketchy but it is a nice and exciting read.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2013, 10:10:49 PM
Gun Machine - Warren Ellis

Taut little thriller from the Internet's Uncle Warren, with the usual black absurdist humor and occasional info dumps of whatever his Wired RSS feed sent him that day. Not to be taken too seriously but I enjoyed it a lot and think it would make a cracking little film.
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Post by: Steve Contra on January 06, 2013, 02:03:28 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzk7LaXCWOeOBlUiLbRhenSffSA4lfKITJnOJibagpi912T3mRvA)

Wow, what a bunch of creepy garbage.  If I put "Warning, Adult Children Play Here" at my work, I hope I get shitcanned.

Basically the story is about a woman who moved to Seattle with her husband who dies.  She gets promoted to lead a group of disgruntled people and was given a strict deadline by her hardass boss to improve morale.  Feeling trapped, a revelatory moment happens when she stumbles across this creepy sounding fish market (does this place even exist?) where every sentence spoken is cringe inducing and probably made up.  In fact, I think the whole story was made up.  So she tries to adopt this extremely cheesy way of management that she witnessed in the fish market, resulting in hard shelled motherfuckers having emotional breakdowns and crying as to why they are such meany doodoo heads to everyone else.  Everything turns around magically in a short order; everyone heaps masturbatory praise over this woman, who now every competitor wants to hire away for a high price.

That last sentence is probably why management wants to adopt this shitty program: it's a way for management to wholly reap the benefits while having their subordinates be all wacky and kooky and crazy and zany.  Then as you sacrifice your dignity to be considered a manchild, your boss gets hired away to your competitor for double the pay.

In the trash it goes!
Pikes?  Yeah, it exists and they do all sorts of wacky shit there.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 06, 2013, 07:48:40 PM
Reading the new (!) Tolkien now, The Children of Hurin

I was fearing another one of those posthumous navel-gazing nightmares of appendices and pronunciation guides his son has been putting together for decades, but this one is actually a coherent, linear narrative and all in Tolkien's own words (albeit stitched together from many source texts). I'm enjoying it a lot more than i ever thought i would. I have failed at reading the Silmarillion and such a dozen times, btw - this is not quite so dense or arch as that, 20% in. On the other hand it is definitely in that ballpark of almost mythic high fantasy. Quite a shock after reading the Hobbit a few days ago. Tolkien can be a very powerful writer, and he was writing entirely for himself here so pulled no punches.
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Post by: Flannel Boy on January 07, 2013, 07:12:02 PM
In life?
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Post by: Eric P on January 08, 2013, 09:14:45 AM
I'm reading The Brides of Rollrock Island which is a YA book intended for Teenage girls, but I didn't know that going in.  It popped up in my RSS reader somewhere and it sounded interesting so i requested it from the library only to find that it had this cover:

(http://i.imgur.com/R5uAa.jpg)

my initial reaction was  :-\

but as I read the book, it's really fucking haunting and affecting with a series of vignettes which switch from character to character and jump all over time to lay out the relationships of people and the society which springs forth from the premise of the book. 

this, to me, is the best of what fantasy can be.  it takes what you know of society, twists it slightly and then sets it into motion.  it's a series of tragedies which spring from a bitter person made bitter by the circumstances in which she found herself and it's about her revenge on her society as she gives the men exactly what they think they want which inevitably destroys them all.

i have about 100 pages left to go and am absolutely loving it.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2013, 03:45:55 PM
It's a Michael L. Printz Honor Winner, Eric. You think Michael L. Printz would just hands out his honor to any old book?
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Post by: Dickie Dee on January 08, 2013, 04:18:21 PM
New/last Wheel of Time book is out today. :yuck

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'll probably read it :fbm
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
22 years and 11,000 pages worth of text.

(http://i.imgur.com/vnTKf.png)

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Past the 5th book.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2013, 07:43:28 PM
I just started The Sound and The Fury by William Faulkner because I saw a character in Mad Men reading it as well. Have to find out about books somehow!

That's the first book that made me feel dumb. :lol My 14 year old brain was not ready for that.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 08, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
New/last Wheel of Time book is out today. :yuck

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'll probably read it :fbm
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I'd be all over it if this was 10 years ago and I still in high school.

Edit: Read the synopsis on Wikipedia. The ending was lame and predictable. :smug
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 08, 2013, 08:16:14 PM
The book that finally broke me [in high school] was Don Quixote. I could not keep up with it at all, too many words that I didn't have a clue about.  :-\
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2013, 08:29:24 PM
I just started The Sound and The Fury by William Faulkner because I saw a character in Mad Men reading it as well. Have to find out about books somehow!

That's the first book that made me feel dumb. :lol My 14 year old brain was not ready for that.

From what I read about it it relies heavily on stream of consciousness which I very much enjoy, I haven't been this excited to read something in a long time.

One of the main characters is severely distinguished mentally-challenged, and about a 1/3rd of the book is written from his perspective. His thoughts are all jumbled up, and he might be thinking of something that happened 20 years ago and something that's happening right now with no break between them.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 08, 2013, 09:28:56 PM
i guess u would understand it perfectly then oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 08, 2013, 11:21:30 PM
I started reading The Sound and the Fury at some point this year and didn't get very far.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
I read the first WoT awhile ago but didn't continue. It was good but I heard too many bad things about the later books to continue
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Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2013, 05:20:43 AM
Listening to Wesley Crusher read John Scalzi's Red Shirts. First chapter is like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern for Trek nerds.

Going to read some Peter David, maybe review Imzadi, Q-in-Law, or finish up my New Frontier books have him in my thoughts because he apparently had a stroke.  :'(
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Post by: Groogrux on January 09, 2013, 07:06:10 AM
I was on the phone with a DirecTV customer service guy the other day and while we're waiting for stuff to update he starts talking books and what stuff we were reading.  He tried to tell me that the WoT books were just like the Game of Thrones novels in quality aspects and the fact that all the fans thought the author would die before they finished the series.
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Post by: Timber on January 09, 2013, 07:14:24 AM
The Sound and the Fury is so good.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2013, 11:02:11 AM
It was too distinguished mentally-challenged for me as a teen, and I haven't picked it up since then
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Post by: Eric P on January 10, 2013, 09:39:50 AM
finished Brides which was absolutely amazing and am now reading People Who Eat Darkness which is about some blonde girl who was killed by a japanese guy in the early 00s or something

i may end up just reading the wikipedia articles
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Post by: Groogrux on January 10, 2013, 10:16:47 AM
One of the books for my classes this semester is this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41vPI4TUNLL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-62,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

Has anybody else read it?  It looks completely fucking boring...
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Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2013, 09:10:52 AM
People Who Eat Darkness is ok, but the author only seemed to have access to the family of the victim and the public record, so it's following the efforts of the family somewhat exclusively.  I wish there was a bit more talk of what the Japanese police were doing at the time.  I wish it were a bit more police procedural and less victim narrative.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on January 11, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
Just started The Three Christs of Ypsilanti - a pyschologist takes three institutionalized men that each believe they are Jesus and put them together for a few years and logged the results - I've only just started yet I'm not  sure if he's doing it FOR SCIENCE, for lolz or just because 1950s.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2013, 05:26:00 PM
Just started The Three Christs of Ypsilanti - a pyschologist takes three institutionalized men that each believe they are Jesus and put them together for a few years and logged the results - I've only just started yet I'm not  sure if he's doing it FOR SCIENCE, for lolz or just because 1950s.

Ypsilanti :bow

book is good too; read it in HS simply due to my city's name being in the title
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Post by: Robo on January 11, 2013, 08:16:24 PM
I'm reading this book called the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.  It's about an eloquent Austrian hobo painter who grows up and gives a bunch of government institutions and dignitaries cool names and titles.  Interesting, but unrealistic.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on January 11, 2013, 08:44:02 PM
Hitler's a total Mary Sue
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Post by: Robo on January 11, 2013, 09:03:06 PM
Shirer has some pretty hilariously dated views on homosexuals, ironically enough, continuously referring to them as perverts and deviants and completely ignores their mass persecution by the Nazis.

Quote
"No other party in Germany came near to attracting so many shady characters.  As we have seen, a conglomeration of pimps, murderers, homosexuals, alcoholics and blackmailers flocked to the party as if to a natural haven.  Hitler did not care, as long as they were useful to him."

"But the brown-shirted S.A. never became much more than a motley mob of brawlers.  Many of its top leaders, beginning with its chief, Roehm, were notorious homosexual perverts. Lieutenant Edmund Heines, who led the Munich S.A., was not only a homosexual but a convicted murderer.  These two and dozens of others quarreled and feuded as only men of unnatural sexual inclinations, with their peculiar jealousies, can."

"'I know Esser is a scoundrel,' Hitler retorted in public, 'but I shall hold on to him as long as he can be of use to me.'  This was to be his attitude toward almost all of his close collaborators, no matter how murky their past—or indeed their present.  Murderers, pimps, homosexual perverts, drug addicts or just plain rowdies were all the same to him if they served his purposes."

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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 11, 2013, 11:05:12 PM
I'm also reading that - read bits of it years ago in high school but picked it up recently during a Kindle sale. Agreed on the homo talk - it really does equate to evil in his mind, like wearing a black hat in a western. No more need be said!
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Post by: chronovore on January 14, 2013, 07:55:07 PM
I'm also reading that - read bits of it years ago in high school but picked it up recently during a Kindle sale. Agreed on the homo talk - it really does equate to evil in his mind, like wearing a black hat in a western. No more need be said!

Bu.. bu... but wouldn't that mean that so many Boritos are evil, or at least leaning heavily toward evil? At a slanted angle, like they were leaning into an overwhelming wind?
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Post by: CajoleJuice on January 14, 2013, 07:57:26 PM
Yeah, that stuff threw me off. Pretty much everything else in the book is fucking gold, though.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2013, 08:46:02 PM
I'm also reading that - read bits of it years ago in high school but picked it up recently during a Kindle sale. Agreed on the homo talk - it really does equate to evil in his mind, like wearing a black hat in a western. No more need be said!

Bu.. bu... but wouldn't that mean that so many Boritos are evil, or at least leaning heavily toward evil? At a slanted angle, like they were leaning into an overwhelming wind?

well 'evilbore' was your first clue Sherlock
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Post by: ZephyrFate on January 15, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
I'm struggling through Forever Peace. Definitely nowhere close to as good as The Forever War.
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Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2013, 04:00:01 AM
I'm also reading that - read bits of it years ago in high school but picked it up recently during a Kindle sale. Agreed on the homo talk - it really does equate to evil in his mind, like wearing a black hat in a western. No more need be said!

Bu.. bu... but wouldn't that mean that so many Boritos are evil, or at least leaning heavily toward evil? At a slanted angle, like they were leaning into an overwhelming wind?

well 'evilbore' was your first clue Sherlock

So, the "bore" part is similar to "drilling"?
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Post by: Eric P on January 16, 2013, 08:04:00 AM
for a book I deemed "only ok" I've managed to read the hell out of it.  I am 20 pages from the end of People Who Eat Darkness and it's a fairly fascinating case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucie_Blackman

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 17, 2013, 12:07:42 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51UiG0k%2B4UL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-66,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 07:40:09 PM
i swear, i just saw the pic and thought 'T EXP book', looked to my left and lolled
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 17, 2013, 09:55:53 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 19, 2013, 02:01:52 PM
Double post up in this bitch!!!

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41h8-7CaNqL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-60,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

Decided to buy it after reading this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/books/review/going-clear-lawrence-wrights-book-on-scientology.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

and seeing this picture:

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/01/20/books/review/0120-Kinsley/0120-Kinsley-popup.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2013, 02:49:52 PM
Double post up in this bitch!!!

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41h8-7CaNqL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-60,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

Bout to start reading that too, I'm pumped. :rock
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Post by: Dickie Dee on January 19, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
oooooooooh, that look's good
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Post by: Eric P on January 22, 2013, 10:39:18 AM
has anyone read the President's Vampire books by Farnsworth? They sound somewhat amazing

http://www.pornokitsch.com/2013/01/new-releases-red-white-and-blood-by-christopher-farnsworth.html

Red, White and Blood (2012) is the third installment in the adventures of Nathaniel Cade, the President's Vampire. Cade is, well... exactly what the title says: a vampire sworn to obey the US President. This is the result of a blood oath impressed upon him by Marie Laveau during the tenure of Andrew Johnson.

Cade lives in a secret chamber underneath the Smithsonian, and with the aid of his human handler, Zach Barrows, he fights all the dark and forbidding nasties that conventional operatives cannot. His previous adventures have seen him come to blows with Osama-the-Lizard-Demon and zombie Nazi super-soldiers animated by Victor Frankenstein. Plus a shadowy occult cartel (or two).

It is all exactly as ridiculous as it sounds.

In Red, White and Blood, Cade's up against his oldest foe: The Boogeyman. (Stop laughing.) The Boogeyman is something like The Saint of Killers, something like the anti-Christ and something very much like Jason from Friday the Thirteenth. He's an ancient spirit, worshipped by back-alley Satanists and corporate conspirators alike. Every generation or so, he arises - taking a mortal host and going on a killing spree.

The Boogeyman is a meta-entity straight out of a (good) Wes Craven film. Phones die around him. The weather is always stormy when he appears. Luck always runs his way. He's never dead the first time (or the second) and he'll always kill the sexually active first. There are rules he must obey, but the game's hugely broken in has favour. Fortunately, he's always stuck to low-profile targets and he's always been out-fought by Cade.

That is, until now.

This time, The Boogeyman's picked one doozy of a target: the President himself. Cade and Zach's first impulse (once Zach stops laughing) is to lock down the President. Keep him safe in the White House and far away from homicidal demon-gods. Except the President refuses: it is election season and he's getting hammered. His advisors say he needs to go on the road, and President Curtis would rather get re-elected than hide under the bed. Much to our heroes' chagrin, President Curtis packs up the family and goes on a trip around the Midwest... coincidentally, The Boogeyman's favourite stomping ground.

Cade and Zach need to stop The Boogeyman before he carves up the President and his family. But The Boogeyman has some friends of his own...

Again, this is every bit as ridiculous as it sounds.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2013, 11:59:56 PM
:lol

YOU FIRST
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 23, 2013, 12:00:13 AM
also, JOE MOLOTOV BOOK
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Post by: Eric P on January 23, 2013, 09:01:31 AM
I'm currently reading Iron Curtain; The Crushing of Eastern Europe, 1944-1956 which takes a look at how the Soviets used varying degrees of totalitarianism to impact East Germany, Poland and Hungary.  She uses these three lands not because of their similarities but rather because of their differences to highlight how Soviet control was implemented at different times.  Even the introduction was fascinating and this ties into and references Bloodlands, a very deep and depressing book about everyone that Hitler killed to the East of Germany and everyone Stalin killed to the west of Russia a book I had previously read on the same subject.

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i have Blood Oath requested through my library :teehee
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 23, 2013, 09:03:09 AM
Why is it my book?  :-\
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Post by: chronovore on January 28, 2013, 01:51:40 AM
Finished Scalzi's Redshirts. It was quite good, though the last 1/3 of it felt too long, a bit philoso-wankery, and self-indulgent. By the time it wrapped up entirely, I saw where it was going, and the book's meaning is good, relevant, and a little bit overly hammered home. Wheaton's reading of the book is perfect, and his casting as a formerly-loathed-character-turned-beloved-geek is a stroke of genius.

Currently listening to the first Dresden Files book, Storm Front. It's a first-person, urban fantasy noir novel, following the first-person format of those old crime novels to a T, so it's not clear if all the sexy ladies in it are because Jim Butcher is sexist, or if the character Harry is just prone to only noticing pretty women, or if Butcher is just following that particular noir trope without updating it for modern times. This is read by James Marsters of "Buffy" fame, and he does quite well with the material.
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Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2013, 09:09:08 AM
http://requireshate.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/jim-butcher-chauvinist-and-talentless-stunning-combo/



I was getting depressed reading about Eastern European Totalitarianism, so I started to read Blood Oath, the first book in The President's Vampire series.  I'm only 80 pages in but aside from a literal Magical Negro it's not really offensive
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 28, 2013, 09:27:05 AM
I'm shocked that a book called Storm Front could be offensive.
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Post by: Beezy on January 28, 2013, 10:59:32 AM
Not a book, but I basically spent my whole weekend reading The Walking Dead comics. All of them. I caught up to the current issue at about 2:30 am this morning. I might read the two novels about the Governor because there's nothing else out there until the next issue or the TV show comes back.

I'm hooked.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 28, 2013, 01:21:08 PM
Going Clear is a great book, and it's given me a new found respect for L. Ron Hubbard. I'd always just assumed he was a two-bit Sci-Fi writer turned religious huckster who was in it for the cash, and certainly that was part of it, but I wasn't giving enough weight to the likelihood that he was also batshit crazy. And quite the horndog too, banging all kinds of impressionable young tail, hanging out with a sex cult, marrying his second wife while he was still married to his first, trying to marry a third wife while he was still married to the second. Also he was convinced that his frequent masturbastion was causing him to go blind and insane, but instead of not doing it, he tried to hypnotize himself into believing that it wasn't true. An hero. :bow2

I'm about half-way through the book, just finished up the Hubbard-era, and it's now moving into the Miscavige-era. Backstabbery a-go go!
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 28, 2013, 01:34:53 PM
Yeah I finished it last night.  A great read and had to lol at all of the stuff about Travolta being gay.  Looks like Scientology was convinced he was a homo from day one.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 28, 2013, 10:25:37 PM
I think Eric P might well like that 'new' Tolkien book, The Children of Hurin. I found it quite gripping and there is a very EB-friendly twist in there.

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wincest!
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Decided to go the full hog and read this giant one-volume hardback of LOTR I got years ago but never cracked. I used to read LOTR at least once a year but it has been about 12 years since I last read it. It's already amazing how much the films have shaped my perception of the characters...I can hear Ian McKellen's voice in my head now when Gandalf says something. Inevitable I suppose
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Post by: Groogrux on January 28, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
I read all of the way to RotK and couldn't read past the part in the spider's cave.  For some reason, I just lost interest.  I tried going back after watching the movie, but still couldn't do it.  Loved the Hobbit and the rest of the Rings trilogy though. 

Never could stand to read the Simarillian though.  Something about it just bored me to tears...
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Post by: Dickie Dee on January 28, 2013, 11:03:06 PM
The Simarillian is a bit of a slog, even if it does cover some great stories. The Creation story in the beginning in mesmurizing though.
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Post by: Eric P on January 29, 2013, 07:18:59 AM
I think Eric P might well like that 'new' Tolkien book, The Children of Hurin. I found it quite gripping and there is a very EB-friendly twist in there.


on the one hand i'm interested in it because it's a retelling of an already existing legend

on the other hand i've never enjoyed anything by tolkien i've ever tried to read
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Post by: Eric P on January 29, 2013, 07:19:42 AM
and that President's Vampire book is ridiculous.  I'm surprised it hadn't been turned into a movie.  it's near perfect pulp escapism
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Post by: ZephyrFate on January 30, 2013, 02:57:56 AM
Children of Hurin is alright. I found it interesting even though I never read the LOTR books.

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Post by: Eric P on January 30, 2013, 09:04:11 AM
almost at the end of Blood Oath from the president's vampire books and women really don't come out well in this book.

there are 4 women characters that i can recall.

1 is a soulless sociopath vampire who shed her humanity at the first opportunity but still has the vampire sexy hots for our lead vampire character
2 is a soulless sociopath shadow operative who is in league with the enemy for the promise of immortality but is also conniving and manipulative
3 is a government bureaucrat who hates our lead characters and only cares about her job
4 a literally magical negro who turns binds our vampire to the will of the office of the president

our magical negro is one of two characters of any racial make up described

the other race is of course our more evil than al queda arabian dudes who are in league with Frankenstein to launch a zombie attack on America

Yes it's highly entertaining and yes it moves at a good clip because it's basically a non-sold screenplay and yes it's "men's entertainment" but it's getting the side eye

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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 09:16:52 AM
have you done the Bechdel Test? I'm thinking F
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Post by: Eric P on January 30, 2013, 09:21:03 AM
lol

yeah total failures.
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Post by: chronovore on January 30, 2013, 09:54:36 AM
http://requireshate.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/jim-butcher-chauvinist-and-talentless-stunning-combo/
Yeah, thanks for that. I also followed the link at the bottom, and there was more of the same from other people, but the article you've linked calls out exactly all the passages where I was feeling my Spidey-sense tingling. It puts to rest my concerns about whether it's a problem with the narrator, or just with the author. It's the author.

I will finish this book, and make hand-wavy gestures at all the people who have told me that it gets better as it goes along, and avoid Butcher in the future. I'm sure there are other magic/noir combo books to read. Shit, I remember "Cast a Deadly Spell" from a ways back and... (wiki) hey, it had a sequel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_Hunt_(1994_film)

I remember seeing rows of faerie/noir stuff a couple years ago at Borders. Or maybe I should just start in on the trove of books Cormacaroni sent me...
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Post by: Eric P on January 30, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
I liked Mike Carey's Felix Castor series

avoid Sandman Slim like the fucking plague.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 01, 2013, 11:00:08 AM
what's wrong with Sandman Slim? I've heard ... not completely mediocre things about it

Have you read Patricia Highsmith's A Suspension of Mercy? Today's $1.99 Kindle Deal.
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Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2013, 01:28:51 PM
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Have you read Patricia Highsmith's

the answer is always "yes." i went through a bit of a...phase with her in the 90s.


http://ronanwills.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/sandman-slim-by-richard-kadrey/
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 01, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
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Have you read Patricia Highsmith's

the answer is always "yes." i went through a bit of a...phase with her in the 90s.


Yup, I remember your phase well (or perhaps the 2nd round of that phase).

I'm reading The Scar (http://www.amazon.com/The-Scar-ebook/dp/B005N8YR26/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1359751225&sr=1-1&keywords=the+scar) now - not Mieville, a Russian fantasy novel. Only about a quarter of the way in, but it already has my attention. Beautifully written (even in translation), and subverting fantasy tropes at the character level, not the plot level.
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Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2013, 04:11:36 PM
i had heard about that.  after my diversions i'm back to reading about Russians being absolute jerks to Polish Hungarian and East German peoples
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2013, 04:34:38 PM
http://ronanwills.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/sandman-slim-by-richard-kadrey/

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Crack open a pedophile’s piñata and Cherry Moon is the candy that falls out.

Oh lawdy!  :lol :-\
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Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2013, 07:11:06 PM
I liked Mike Carey's Felix Castor series

avoid Sandman Slim like the fucking plague.
http://ronanwills.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/sandman-slim-by-richard-kadrey/

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Urban fantasy is well known for being a cess-pit of terrible writing produced by stunted, illiterate racists
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The absolute worst is when Kadrey tries to be funny, as he shares Jim Butcher’s almost savant-like talent for terrible jokes. Unfortunately Stark is one of those “witty” characters who uses cheesy one-liners the way most people use commas so we end up with this shit on damn near every page.
FFFUUU...! Why did I buy this? Why? WHY?

I have an unopened hardcover from when it came out; it was on some recommendation or another. AAAAGH!
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 01, 2013, 07:17:11 PM
yeah, I own the first book from when it was $0.00 on Prime
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2013, 08:42:15 PM
http://ronanwills.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/sandman-slim-by-richard-kadrey/

:rofl
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2013, 09:05:27 PM
http://ronanwills.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/sandman-slim-by-richard-kadrey/

:rofl
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Crack open a pedophile’s piñata and Cherry Moon is the candy that falls out.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 01, 2013, 10:09:13 PM
Bought.  Looks like the Kindle version is 99 cents.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 02, 2013, 12:06:17 AM
Finished Storm Front, will not be continuing the series, and won't immediately be starting Sandman Slim, or prioritizing it in any way. Butcher finished the book in a weirdly mediocre way. I think Harry is just a fucked up geek, who was bullied, and wants to bully back, but at most will just be passive-aggressive when offered an opportunity for righteous revenge, but doesn't want to get his hands dirty. In the end, Harry ends up making fun of an enemy who actively saves his life... I think it was supposed to be funny, but it was sad.

I feel like I've been in a literary slum, so I'm going back to Infinite Jest, which has just bowled me over with its form.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 03, 2013, 01:36:27 PM
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Cuz I'd rather read entertaining hatred than do any work on a Sunday afternoon :)
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 09, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Freyj on February 09, 2013, 11:50:37 PM
Currently listening to the first Dresden Files book, Storm Front. It's a first-person, urban fantasy noir novel, following the first-person format of those old crime novels to a T, so it's not clear if all the sexy ladies in it are because Jim Butcher is sexist, or if the character Harry is just prone to only noticing pretty women, or if Butcher is just following that particular noir trope without updating it for modern times. This is read by James Marsters of "Buffy" fame, and he does quite well with the material.

Butcher's writing gets infinitely better over time. Storm Front is extremely rough compared to even a few books later. Sex and seduction are the bread and butter of a lot of the supernatural characters of the series. Harry is still very young in Storm Front and it shows looking backwards. About a year passes between each book, FYI.

All I can say is stick with it. I gave up after Storm Front probably four times before I ventured further into the series (based on numerous recommendations). I've not been disappointed.

Finished Storm Front, will not be continuing the series, and won't immediately be starting Sandman Slim, or prioritizing it in any way. Butcher finished the book in a weirdly mediocre way. I think Harry is just a fucked up geek, who was bullied, and wants to bully back, but at most will just be passive-aggressive when offered an opportunity for righteous revenge, but doesn't want to get his hands dirty. In the end, Harry ends up making fun of an enemy who actively saves his life... I think it was supposed to be funny, but it was sad.

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about Harry not wanting to get his hands dirty. That definitely becomes less of an issue.
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Post by: Freyj on February 09, 2013, 11:55:06 PM
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But surely that’s too harsh. Vicious, even. Surely it can’t be that bad. Let the text, then, speak for itself.

    [Susan] had tricked me into meeting her eyes at the conclusion of our first interview, an eager young reporter investigating an angle on her interviewee. She was the one who had fainted after we had soulgazed.

Oh yeah, this is how hardcore Harry Dresden is. He can “soulgaze” women into fainting.

"I don't understand any of the terminology being thrown around so I'm just going to scream chauvinist."

Dresden's character is mentioned time and again as being old-fashioned. It's a character flaw, it gets him plenty of trouble and he / Butcher fully admits it. God forbid we have an old-fashioned character in a series filled with strong female characters.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2013, 12:48:16 AM
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Too much build up, not enough payoff. I only picked it up because it sounded a bit Mythos-y, with this strange group of someones (or somethings) that live in the deep woods and require a monthly sacrifice of pigs,  but in the end
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It a reaaaally slow burn too, it takes half the book before anything actually happens other than the main character banging his fiance (which happens more often than anything else in this book), and even once you've figured out the secret, it still beats around the bush (heh) for another 100 pages or so  before finally saying "Yes, what's happening is exactly what you thought was happening 100 pages ago." Then some people do some dumb stuff, get killed, and that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
Tried the Dresden Files a few years ago, gave up halfway through the second book.  A friend whose taste overlaps with mine but is generally less nitpicky read a bunch of the books in a row but also gradually got annoyed with it and quit.

Which isn't to say the books don't get better or aren't decent beach reads or whatever.  Though that soulgaze/fainting quote isn't "old fashioned." It's just asinine.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 11, 2013, 06:30:10 PM
Thanks, Freyj and Mandark. I believe that the writing gets better -- practice improves many things -- and I am fine with Harry being "old fashioned," if that's all it was. It may also improve if Butcher's skill as a writer is able to separate Harry's "old fashioned" nature from what felt like his own, the author's, personal belief system.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 18, 2013, 07:12:00 AM
Thanks to inane meetings at work, I'm reading now more than ever

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 22, 2013, 09:49:41 AM
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Edit: This book is crazy.  An excerpt:

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Never let it be said that Fiddy didn't make the most of this opportunity. He took this beef to the next level, dragging all kinds of family members into it. You might remember the videos he made with one of Rawse's babies' mothers, Tia. He flew her up to New York and took her out shopping. He bought her a fur coat. Let's just say you could tell it was the only fur coat she ever owned. (No shots.) There's a classic photo of her and Fiddy in what may or may not have been a post-coital embrace, not unlike the way Birdman and Lil Wayne held each other on the cover of the 10th anniversary issue of XXL.

Going to be hard reading this at work without laughing my ass off.
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Post by: Eric P on February 22, 2013, 10:12:15 AM
i bought that this morning, grabbed my kindle for the train AND THE BOOK WASN'T PUSHED TO THE KINDLE

grrrr
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Post by: Eric P on February 22, 2013, 11:50:00 AM
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The corn you eat with your dinner was probably delivered in a truck driven by a guy who takes showers in restaurants. Even if you don't eat corn, you probably eat something with corn in it. No Boutros. I heard like half the shit in the grocery store has corn in it, which is why we're so fat. Which doesn't make sense to me, because corn is healthy and delicious. The Native American Indians ate it for thousands of years and they didn't get fat.
 

paleo annihilated
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 22, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
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One of the better weird anthologies that I've read in a while. I wanna pick up the second one, but so far it's only been released as a $40 HB.
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Post by: Eric P on February 22, 2013, 04:25:30 PM
anything edited by ST Joshi is worth reading.

Finished the Byron Crawford book while doing other work.  It's better than the first one in that it's less autobiographical and more "rap blogger dishing dirt" in ways that he doesn't really do on his blogs.  The stories about El-P and Killer Mike are interesting.  When he talks about women in general I tended to just skip ahead because it's uh something.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 22, 2013, 05:31:15 PM
Finished Infinite Crab Meats.  It was an addicting read from start to finish.  I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Freyj on February 23, 2013, 02:29:01 AM
Tried the Dresden Files a few years ago, gave up halfway through the second book.  A friend whose taste overlaps with mine but is generally less nitpicky read a bunch of the books in a row but also gradually got annoyed with it and quit.

Which isn't to say the books don't get better or aren't decent beach reads or whatever.  Though that soulgaze/fainting quote isn't "old fashioned." It's just asinine.

The soulgaze bit isn't what I meant by old fashioned, the old fashioned parts are things like Dresden opening the door for Murphy and Murphy kicking his ass for it, which is the sort of thing the writer of that article was whining about.

Soulgaze provides two-way view into the other person's soul, not a detailed description of them, but a vague picture of their true self. Susan's fainting had everything to do with seeing bits and pieces of Harry's bloodied past / inner turmoil, not any kind of sexual effect. Dresden is a clown, so he plays it up in monologue.
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Post by: Groogrux on February 23, 2013, 09:31:38 AM
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I'm finally getting to start this.  It's only 124 pages long, so it shouldn't take me long at all to read it.  But I am in love with it so far. 

The only thing that I don't like about it is the fact that one of the authors (my favorite author) is using it as another platform for his political agenda.  He's written two other books on the topic of mountaintop removal and I see now that he's going to write about it in this book too...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2013, 03:36:16 PM
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I dunno how interesting this will be right after reading Going Clear, but I thought I might flip through it a bit while waiting for The Master.

Also bought that Infinite Crab Meats books, partly because you guys said it was good, partly because the exerts I read were pretty funny, and partly because the title/coverart are a parody of Infinite Jest, which is kind of awesome.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 04, 2013, 01:41:10 PM
I finished a book called Non-Stop by Brian Aldiss. It's a book about a multi-generation ship that's become it's own living ecosystem and who's inhabitants have forgotten who they are and where they are over the generations.

It's quite an interesting novel. I read it since i've recently become incredibly interested in the concept of a generation-ship.

Next i'll be reading Greg Bear's Eon.
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Post by: hampster on March 04, 2013, 03:12:09 PM
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The audiobook was on sale at audible so I picked it up. Maybe it's just slower pace of audio format when compared to reading but I'm really aware of the author's fondness for certain facial expressions. Same with the last audiobook I listened to, Warbreaker. Not a minute went by without someone raising their eyebrows in that book

Anyway Dauntless is pretty good so far
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 04, 2013, 10:32:18 PM
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I finished reading this after getting it a month ago because it's kind of a crappy book.  It's $2.99 on Kindle.  I think it is crappy because I prefer my history reads to be dry and the target audience for this book is the type of people that buy crap like "Why Do Men Have Nipples?"  Still, I guess it shows how vital salt was in preserving perishables.  If this book is to be believed, it seemed like entire civilizations were based on cultivating salt.  The same author wrote a book about Cod and Oysters, probably written in the same style.  It would be a great reads for high school history class and that's about it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: hampster on March 11, 2013, 10:29:18 AM
Just found out there are two books based on the TV show Leverage with a third due out in May. I know what I'm reading next :hyper

In other news I finished Dauntless. I went into the book fascinated by space combat and how you would deal with distances and speeds but by the end of the book I was tired of it. The author couldn't let a single action go by without describing how the information wasn't in real time or some other quirk of fighting in space. Wikipedia tells me there are 5 more books before they get home. I'm interested to see where the story goes but five short books feels like dragging it out.

Its revealed late into the book that there is more to the universe then you first thought. That was by far the most interesting part and I wish they went into it more. Got to save some for the later books I suppose
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2013, 10:40:55 AM
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I finished reading this after getting it a month ago because it's kind of a crappy book.  It's $2.99 on Kindle.  I think it is crappy because I prefer my history reads to be dry and the target audience for this book is the type of people that buy crap like "Why Do Men Have Nipples?"  Still, I guess it shows how vital salt was in preserving perishables.  If this book is to be believed, it seemed like entire civilizations were based on cultivating salt.  The same author wrote a book about Cod and Oysters, probably written in the same style.  It would be a great reads for high school history class and that's about it.

Sounds like you're pretty salty about it.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 12, 2013, 02:05:05 PM
Greg Bear's Eon is some SCI-FI ASS SCI-FI

Also interesting because there's a lot of imagery that reminds me a lot of stuff Bungie has been putting out, Halo and Destiny. It's interesting because Greg Bear later wrote the Halo novel... I'm guessing this is likely why.
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Post by: Eric P on March 12, 2013, 02:42:23 PM
i'm reading Cat Eye Boy for some awesome yokai action
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and i'm reading One Piece.  This is going to sound really lame because it flies in the face of genre and author intention, but jesus christ there is too much fighting in this.  no one gets a chance to breathe
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 12, 2013, 03:59:37 PM
I'm reading a bunch of Lem - Kindle has those as $2 daily deals about once every 2 weeks.

"Memoirs Found in a Bathtub" was awesome - it's basically the espionage version of Brazil. Some poor sap just trying to find out what his secret mission is in the subterranean warrens of the all-encompassing Building.

Reading "Fiasco" now. It's like ... giant mechs vs. Borges.
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Post by: nice cat but chicken on March 13, 2013, 04:05:06 AM
i really enjoyed salt but then i love salt and never read history so its populist style probably suited me. tonnes of fun anecdotes and while that may've been all it was i know others (all women) who've enjoyed it.

today finished the man in the high castle for probably the 20th time but the first in years. this has to be philip k dick's most coherent novel right? it has none of the gaudiness or irreverence of his other sci-fi or the schizophrenia of the last works. i've never read any of his mainstream fiction, can anyone recommend something?

started riddley walker by russel hoban wen i got hoam an got far as the splitting of Addom. quite excited to continue.

why have i only rediscovered my appetite for fiction as soon as i've returned to school? :s
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Post by: chronovore on March 13, 2013, 08:40:32 AM
Isn't The Man in the High Castle being made into a movie? I'll be curious how they slaughter this PKD.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 13, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
Isn't The Man in the High Castle being made into a movie? I'll be curious how they slaughter this PKD.

Syfy Channel miniseries :holeup
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 13, 2013, 02:26:30 PM
i really enjoyed salt but then i love salt and never read history so its populist style probably suited me. tonnes of fun anecdotes and while that may've been all it was i know others (all women) who've enjoyed it.

today finished the man in the high castle for probably the 20th time but the first in years. this has to be philip k dick's most coherent novel right? it has none of the gaudiness or irreverence of his other sci-fi or the schizophrenia of the last works. i've never read any of his mainstream fiction, can anyone recommend something?

started riddley walker by russel hoban wen i got hoam an got far as the splitting of Addom. quite excited to continue.

why have i only rediscovered my appetite for fiction as soon as i've returned to school? :s

if you're new to Dick and want to know what Dick will be easiest to swallow, I recommend Ubik. I really like Martian-Time Slip, though that's a lotta Dick to take in until you have more experience with Dick
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Post by: tiesto on March 13, 2013, 02:37:13 PM
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Post by: hampster on March 13, 2013, 03:07:36 PM
Finally, like the pathetic procrastinator I am, got around to starting The Racketeer for the Bore Book Club. I'm a little more than 1/3 through and it's not good.  I read a number of John Grisham's books when I was younger and I enjoyed them but this is such a Grisham-ass-Grisham book I don't really see the point. Our innocent lawyer hero cut a deal to get out of jail within the first ~150 pages. I know its bullshit, some trick to out smart the government no doubt. John Grisham knows I know its bullshit since I've read one of his books before, but we're both going to sit here and play this straight? I guess it would be fine if the book was interesting or well paced but it's really not. Last night I plowed through pages upon pages of the most boring interrogation I have ever seen

My apologies for nominating the book :'(
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Post by: nice cat but chicken on March 13, 2013, 07:25:22 PM
i'm not new to dick at all (no homo? but actually...) but i've never read his mainstream (not sci-fi) novels.
the man in the high castle is being made into a miniseries by ridley scott's production company but i'd be very surprised given his recent work (ie everything since blade runner) if it's any good. it could be great.
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Post by: ZephyrFate on March 16, 2013, 05:51:40 PM
Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut is a fantastic film. His production company hasn't lost it
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Post by: Eric P on March 17, 2013, 06:40:56 AM
i'm reading a men's adventure book which takes place in an alternate history africa where the nazis won ww2 (or at least were able to negotiate peace thanks to the non-interference of the US).  It's fun but goofy.  I don't understand why this has won so many accolades as it's white dudes in an africa without black people (thanks to the nazis!)

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Africa, 1952.

The swastika flies from the Sahara to the Indian Ocean. Britain and a victorious Nazi Germany have divided the continent. The SS has crushed the native populations and forced them into labour. Gleaming autobahns bisect the jungle, jet fighters patrol the skies. For almost a decade an uneasy peace has ensued.

Now, however, the plans of Walter Hochburg, messianic racist and architect of Nazi Africa, threaten Britain’s ailing colonies.

Sent to curb his ambitions is Burton Cole: a one-time assassin torn between the woman he loves and settling an old score with Hochburg. If he fails unimaginable horrors will be unleashed on the continent. No one – black or white – will be spared.

But when his mission turns to disaster, Burton must flee for his life.

It is a flight that will take him from the unholy ground of Kongo to SS slave camps to war-torn Angola – and finally a conspiracy that leads to the dark heart of THE AFRIKA REICH itself.

Guy Saville has combined meticulous research with edge-of-the-seat suspense to produce a superb novel of alternate history.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 17, 2013, 07:50:10 PM
Guy Saville has combined meticulous research with not giving a fuck about any of it
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
He meticulously researched how much Nazis hated black people and came up with "a lot".
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Post by: Groogrux on March 18, 2013, 07:33:11 AM
He meticulously researched how much Nazis hated black people and came up with "a lot".

:lol
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Post by: CajoleJuice on March 18, 2013, 01:03:58 PM
He meticulously researched how much Nazis hated black people and came up with "a lot".

:rofl
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Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2013, 02:26:31 PM
I just re-read Kurt Vonnegut's "Bluebeard" over the weekend, and last night I ordered Breakfast of Champions and Lenny Bruce's "How to Talk Dirty and Influence People," which is one of those things I've always meant to read but never got around to.
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Post by: Steve Contra on March 18, 2013, 02:48:54 PM
Bluebeard is terrible.  It's basically a defense of Kurt Vonnegut's output that he didn't need to write.  I felt kind of sad reading it.
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Post by: Eric P on March 18, 2013, 02:54:51 PM
yeah bluebeard is bad bad bad
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Post by: Robo on March 18, 2013, 08:04:59 PM
He meticulously researched how much Nazis hated black people and came up with "a lot".

 :rofl
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Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2013, 08:11:48 PM
Bluebeard is self-indulgent and meanders way too long (even for Vonnegut) but I think calling it "bad" is overstating the case a bit.

Then again, I found Rabo Karabekian an intriguing character and his small role in Breakfast of Champions interesting, so ymmv.  Obviously, like pretty much any artist in any field whatsoever, Vonnegut's earlier work (probably peaking with Slaugher-House Five) outstrips his later works, but that just goes to prove Sick Boy's theory of life from Trainspotting:  "First you've got it, then you don't, and it's gone forever."
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2013, 11:53:42 PM
He meticulously researched how much Nazis hated black people and came up with "a lot".

(http://imageshack.us/a/img94/6069/dayum.png)
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Post by: ZephyrFate on March 19, 2013, 12:52:00 AM
Timequake is the best Vonnegut novel. Old beer in new bottles; old jokes in new people.
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Post by: Eric P on March 19, 2013, 08:55:33 AM

Sick of manly men maiming mainly menacing nazis, i picked up D for Deception which is about Dennis Wheatley's wartime work for the British War effort and it's kind of fascinating how a social climber turned novelist was able to get his current job and basically sit there and theorize ways to manipulate Nazi expectations to get the desire result from false intelligence and then dream up of ways that the Nazis would invade the UK which could then be prevented.

It's $2 and a very quick read.

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Before Ian Fleming there was Dennis Wheatley. A best-selling spy novelist at the outset of World War II, Wheatley became a master of deception for Great Britain, turning pulp fiction fantasies into real-life espionage. Pulitzer Prize–winning author Tina Rosenberg tells the amazing true story of one man who applied the plots of his own novels to the battlefield—and changed the course of history.

I heard about it through Ken and Robin Talk About Stuff, a weekly podcast featuring two RPG designers talking about...well stuff.  History, gaming, culture and esoterica. 
 

interview w/ author

http://harpers.org/blog/2012/12/d-for-deception/

the book on kindle
http://www.amazon.com/D-Deception-Kindle-Single-ebook/dp/B008S1267S

the Ken and Robin episode (2nd segment)
http://www.kenandrobintalkaboutstuff.com/index.php/episode-30-ring-tailed-and-fructivorous/
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Post by: chronovore on March 20, 2013, 11:00:48 PM
PURCHASED! and thanks for the heads-up on that podcast. I am a big Ken Hite fan, and didn't know he'd teamed with Robin for this. I've got some stuff from Robin, and follow his LJ.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 20, 2013, 11:19:57 PM

Sick of manly men maiming mainly menacing nazis, i picked up D for Deception which is about Dennis Wheatley's wartime work for the British War effort and it's kind of fascinating how a social climber turned novelist was able to get his current job and basically sit there and theorize ways to manipulate Nazi expectations to get the desire result from false intelligence and then dream up of ways that the Nazis would invade the UK which could then be prevented.

It's $2 and a very quick read.

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Before Ian Fleming there was Dennis Wheatley. A best-selling spy novelist at the outset of World War II, Wheatley became a master of deception for Great Britain, turning pulp fiction fantasies into real-life espionage. Pulitzer Prize–winning author Tina Rosenberg tells the amazing true story of one man who applied the plots of his own novels to the battlefield—and changed the course of history.

I heard about it through Ken and Robin Talk About Stuff, a weekly podcast featuring two RPG designers talking about...well stuff.  History, gaming, culture and esoterica. 
 

interview w/ author

http://harpers.org/blog/2012/12/d-for-deception/

the book on kindle
http://www.amazon.com/D-Deception-Kindle-Single-ebook/dp/B008S1267S

the Ken and Robin episode (2nd segment)
http://www.kenandrobintalkaboutstuff.com/index.php/episode-30-ring-tailed-and-fructivorous/

Bought!

(That podcast sounds fantastic as well, will subscribe)
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Post by: ZephyrFate on March 21, 2013, 03:39:15 AM
Starting Life of Pi soon. Excited :)
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Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2013, 11:52:05 AM
yowza.  i almost thought this was a parody at first

Today's Kindle SciFi/Fantasy Daily Deal is Apprentice Swordceror ($1.99), by Chris Hollaway.

    Book Description
    Apprentice Swordceror, the first volume of the Blademage Saga, is a debut novel that tells the story of a young man trapped between the separate and incompatible worlds of Wizards and Warriors. The main character, Kevon, is easily identified with, possessing the raw talent we all wish we had, and the naiveté we hope we lack. His journey through betrayal, love, loss, and personal growth is accentuated by the friends and allies that he comes to surround himself with. The story will appeal to classic fantasy fans, while the different angles on magic and standard fantastical races will satisfy those who need something different than the usual fare.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 21, 2013, 11:53:54 AM
Swordceror  :lol
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 21, 2013, 11:58:45 AM
Checked the preview on Amazon and...well...predictably, it's not that great.
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Post by: hampster on March 21, 2013, 12:13:49 PM
Oh wow, the author's bio on amazon and the book cover are great
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Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2013, 12:21:56 PM
holy SHIT i didn't even look at the bio

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Chris Hollaway was born in St. Johns, Michigan, in 1975. In 1977, his family settled in Idaho, where he has lived ever since.
In school, he read as much as he could, usually a book a day. This was in between dodging the larger students, who were particularly fond of placing him in the trash can. Armed with a brain chock-full of Science-Fiction and Fantasy, two grants,some loans, and a small scholarship, he stormed in to the University of Idaho. Nine months later, (No, I know what you're thinking, but no.) he returned to his hometown after the worst year of his life.
He tried his hand in the Manufacturing sector, helping build farm machinery. Three months later, after a seasonal layoff, he moved to the big city. After interviewing twice at a large semiconductor manufacturing company, and waiting, he failed an interview at the Dairy Queen because he laughed when the interviewer quite seriously asked, "Where do you see your career taking you here, at Dairy Queen?'. Fast forward fourteen years, where constant night shift work at a retail grocery chain, a new wife and two kids, selling phone service and vacuums on the side, and finally, more night shifts at the semiconductor company that *finally* gave him the third interview, have finally caused our hero's... Ahem. Our author's brain to start leaking some of the leftover Fantasy/Adventure out in some typing practice.
Chris started writing in earnest in 2008, devoting lunches, breaks, and whatever time he could manage to squirrel away at home to his first book. In 2010, he started shopping his manuscript around. Discovering that most Literary Agents, Editors, and Publishers were mostly frauds, and probably the same lady with a powerful robo-e-mailer and a long form letter with horrid misspellings, he gave up.
Instead of trying to impress random people with the quality of his work, he found local talent to help him improve it. Friends and an actual editor read and re-read, and Chris polished the manuscript until he was happy with it. Then he immersed himself in studying marketing, promotion, and self publishing. Unable to fully concentrate on the business side, he began working on the second book in the series.
In 2012, he discovered Kindle Direct Publishing, formatted and submitted 'Apprentice Swordceror'. Cover art, print versions, and a second book in the 'Blademage Saga' are forthcoming.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 21, 2013, 10:35:25 PM
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/4f/bc/56126c1fd57f0a7f0235d1.L._V387689050_SX200_.jpg)

:bow snatching victory from the jaws of defeat :bow2
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 21, 2013, 10:39:40 PM
Apprentice Authoriter
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 21, 2013, 11:15:58 PM
"Kevon"

:rofl
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 21, 2013, 11:22:46 PM
i bet he sells what i would consider a fuckton off that daily deal spotlight, too  :maf
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 22, 2013, 12:01:08 AM
i bet he sells what i would consider a fuckton off that daily deal spotlight, too  :maf

It's hit #151 in the paid Kindle store, so yes.
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Post by: ZephyrFate on March 22, 2013, 05:22:08 PM
I'm going to finish The Dream Metropolis by MH Cressman over the break, I've decided. Will post a review when I'm done. I read the first few dozen pages, and it's pretty good so far.

How tough would it be to get Cressman a spot in one of those Daily Deals?
God I'd love that.

(and also im not going by that author moniker until my next novel)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2013, 05:24:22 PM
How tough would it be to get Cressman a spot in one of those Daily Deals?
:bow

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Post by: chronovore on March 24, 2013, 10:18:50 PM
Apprentice Authoriter
:rofl
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2013, 02:05:12 AM
A friend of mine highly recommended The Way Of Kings. I've never read any of Sanderson's shit, anyone familiar with this? The amazon write up is interesting...
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Post by: Eric P on March 25, 2013, 08:43:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/gp8CWkr.jpg)

wait you mean gargantuan multi-billion dollar industries DON'T have our best interests at heart?
why, that's crazy.

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Post by: hampster on March 25, 2013, 01:14:37 PM
A friend of mine highly recommended The Way Of Kings. I've never read any of Sanderson's shit, anyone familiar with this? The amazon write up is interesting...

I've never read Way Of Kings but I enjoyed Warbreaker by Sanderson. He creates some really unique and intricate magic systems (which was my favorite part of Warbreaker). I have the Emperor's Soul lined up to read soon (which is also by him)

He does enjoying raising eyebrows a lot. Every scene someone is raising an eyebrow at something. It gets repetitive after awhile but other than that hes a good author. The man is a machine too, he is cranking out a lot of books lately. I'm looking forward to Steelheart by him later this year
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 25, 2013, 07:00:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gp8CWkr.jpg)

wait you mean gargantuan multi-billion dollar industries DON'T have our best interests at heart?
why, that's crazy.

I suppose it is a sad thing that I know where all of those letters originate from.
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Post by: Eric P on April 01, 2013, 07:24:19 PM
Amazon has The Last Policeman which I rather enjoyed for $2.24

http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Policeman-Novel-ebook/dp/B0076Q1GW2/
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 01, 2013, 07:33:14 PM
they have Angela's Ashes for 2.99 as well

http://www.amazon.com/Angelas-Ashes-A-Memoir-ebook/dp/B000FBJFSC/ref=br_lf_m_1000706171_1_6_ttl?ie=UTF8&s=digital-text&pf_rd_p=1531191082&pf_rd_s=center-4&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_i=1000706171&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0XS35FYEWV93HDTWTC5H
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Post by: Dickie Dee on April 01, 2013, 08:51:24 PM
Frank McCourt :bow2
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Post by: Dickie Dee on April 01, 2013, 08:58:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gp8CWkr.jpg)

wait you mean gargantuan multi-billion dollar industries DON'T have our best interests at heart?
why, that's crazy.

This is next up for me, can't wait. Even reading one of the articles based on it changed my eating in a way no diet book could.
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Post by: Eric P on April 02, 2013, 03:55:56 AM
i read about 60 pages of it last night and everything i read is just "ugh"
if i weren't already in the "no processed foods" category, I would be there post-haste
it's just utterly disgusting
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 02, 2013, 08:21:07 PM
i read about 60 pages of it last night and everything i read is just "ugh"
if i weren't already in the "no processed foods" category, I would be there post-haste
it's just utterly disgusting

I got the book based on your posts and I'm all :dwill

At this point everyone and their dog has written some expose on the processed food industry but this one seems to explore a lot of new territory.  It's very addicting.
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Post by: Steve Contra on April 02, 2013, 08:43:29 PM
i read about 60 pages of it last night and everything i read is just "ugh"
if i weren't already in the "no processed foods" category, I would be there post-haste
it's just utterly disgusting
I have a friend who is all about this book and rails on about how the food industry has pulled the wool over our eyes and we should all wake up.  He also wants the FDA and FCC disbanded and wants no government in business.

Libertarian-Paleos :(
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Post by: Eric P on April 03, 2013, 07:42:36 AM
last night bankers showed up in the book and it was kind of funny at how cartoon eeeeeeeeevil they were

kraft (at the time owned by philip morris, who knows a thing or two about selling you shit that will kill you) had taken on a healthy initiative and have tried to cut back sugar and fat from their products which lead to lower sales because the products didn't taste as good (or rather didn't manipulate the hormonal pathways as efficiently)

page 257
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And what about all this talk about fighting obesity? asked an analyst from Prudential Securities.  How was the company going to meet its projected sales growth of 3 percent if it was worrying about people's waistlines? "You've obviously made a statement on obesity," this analyst added. "but can you clarify the company's efforts in achieving a volume increase? You're going to try to grow your volume 2 to 3 percent domestically, it's almost got to make us fat."

edit: to be fair to your libertarian friend, there are sections where it talks about how the gov't is basically paying for the marketing of foods to American another department of govt says will kill you if you eat too much of them
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Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2013, 05:33:13 PM

finished the book and returned it.  not quite as life changing to me as Good Calories, Bad Calories but more lifestyle enforcing.

i seriously wish i had known better when i was younger.
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Post by: Eric P on April 11, 2013, 09:17:34 AM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049P23PW/?tag=ehorrorbargains-20

The Light at the End is currently free for two days in the UK and US on Kindle.  It's a good horror book about blue collar people fighting a vampire in NYC in the 80s.  It's VERY 80s but the characterization is good and the plotting is also good.  It's a kind of important book because it's one of the first "splatterpunk" books which while eventually being known for just upping the gore quotient in horror a the time was actually a way to bring a kind of street level "not cutting away" realism to the genre at the time.  It's not really gory by today's standards at all (see Edward Lee if you want that kind of thing) but if you compare to other stuff at the time, it's fairly intense. 

So yeah, it's a good fast read and is highly recommended to anyone who likes horror.
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Post by: chronovore on May 12, 2013, 09:13:13 PM
Finally finished DFW's "Infinite Jest." I feel like I've been dropped on my ass. What an ending.
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Post by: drew on May 12, 2013, 09:31:46 PM
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2013/05/12/world-war-ii-s-strangest-battle-when-americans-and-germans-fought-together/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage.img.503.jpg/1368348329014.cached.jpg)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/12/world-war-ii-s-strangest-battle-when-americans-and-germans-fought-together.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29

tells the story of a seige by the SS five days after Hitler shot himself against German and US troops holed up in a midevil Austrian castle for days protecting French VIPS, whose wives even fought alongside them.  this is the first time the story is being translated into English.  It was also the first and probably last time American troops have ever defended a castle. Amazing stuff.
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Post by: Eric P on May 13, 2013, 07:01:54 AM
that does sound fascinating.  thanks for the heads up.

I'm currently reading Darklore Volume 7 which is a journal of Fortean and other Esoteric writing.  It has a FASCINATING article (like 30 pages long) on the KLF and Discordianism.  You can read a shortened version of that article here; http://www.dailygrail.com/Guest-Articles/2013/5/The-Strange-Journey-the-KLF

(http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2013/mx2/14960359-1-eng-US/Mx_full_600.jpg)

I'm also reading Karl Marx; a 19th Century Life which is an attempt to dissociate Marx from current times thinking and instead place his ideas in the time and place of where they originated.  It's very informative.  I know broad strokes about the man but this drills down quite a bit.  This probably goes without saying, but Jews had it kind of rough.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on May 13, 2013, 06:36:46 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10049454/Dont-make-fun-of-renowned-Dan-Brown.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10049454/Dont-make-fun-of-renowned-Dan-Brown.html)
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Post by: chronovore on May 13, 2013, 08:11:28 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10049454/Dont-make-fun-of-renowned-Dan-Brown.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10049454/Dont-make-fun-of-renowned-Dan-Brown.html)

:lol


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She was as majestic as the finest sculpture by Caravaggio or the most coveted portrait by Rodin. I like the attractive woman, thought the successful man.
:rofl
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Post by: Beezy on May 13, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
Borrowed this from a friend and read it over the weekend:

(http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1342596676l/13503109.jpg)

:fbm
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Post by: Robo on May 14, 2013, 01:40:48 AM
I read I, Claudius.  Now I'm reading Claudius the God, and if I'm not yet tired of reading about people getting fucked and murdered, I'll probably read The Twelve Caesers as well.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
I read I, Claudius.  Now I'm reading Claudius the God, and if I'm not yet tired of reading about people getting fucked and murdered, I'll probably read The Twelve Caesers as well.

Bah I still need to finish the show; I have two eps left. It's awesome but I got busy with other stuff. Definitely interested in getting the novels as well.
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Post by: Robo on May 15, 2013, 01:19:22 AM
I'm absolutely watching the show once I've wrapped up Claudius the God.  Can hardly restrain myself from watching clips on Youtube.
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Post by: Robo on May 25, 2013, 01:26:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0VJtXB4i5A
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Post by: Eric P on June 04, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
new short story from Lavie Tidhar.

it's ridiculous.  When the rug is pulled out from under the narrative I gave a short sharp bark of laughter.

http://www.apex-magazine.com/titanic/
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 04, 2013, 09:04:59 PM
(http://media.tumblr.com/759d80bfab3d780167d69d956eaaa459/tumblr_inline_mj7ey2sNmM1qz4rgp.jpg)

I don't like this book.  I don't know why I bought this book. 
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Post by: Eric P on June 04, 2013, 09:24:18 PM
I enjoy his sitcom but I think a book would get tiring
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Post by: Eric P on June 09, 2013, 11:24:47 AM
Iain Banks has died.

:(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22835047

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Iain Banks dies of cancer aged 59
Iain Banks Iain Banks was best known for his novels The Wasp Factory, The Crow Road and Complicity
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    Iain Banks statement in full
    Author Banks has terminal cancer

Author Iain Banks has died aged 59, two months after announcing he had terminal cancer, his family has said.

The Scottish writer revealed in April he was suffering from terminal gall bladder cancer and was unlikely to live for more than a year.

He was best known for his novels The Wasp Factory, The Crow Road and Complicity.

In a statement, his publisher said he was "an irreplaceable part of the literary world".
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Post by: nudemacusers on June 09, 2013, 12:34:06 PM
I enjoy his sitcom but I think a book would get tiring
I've never seen his sitcom, but I do enjoy the podcast. That said, eeeeehhhhh don't think I would read a book.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2013, 12:36:06 PM
Fuck some cancer.
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Post by: Eric P on June 10, 2013, 09:12:24 AM
Reading The Shining Girls by Lauren Beukes, her third book and her first with a major publisher.  It's quite good so far.  It's about a woman who was almost murdered and the man who almost murdered her.  The book is being sold as a serial killer tale but it's not really full of the mastermind serial killer tropes which annoy the living hell out of me.  I've managed to read about 150 pages in just a few hours and will do my absolute best to finish this as quickly as possible.

edit had a weird nightmare where a friend and i were kidnapped by a shady livery cab who attempted to rob us, so i woke up and finished the final 100 pages this morning.

excellent book.  if anyone wants a good fast thriller with a veneer of the unusual or unexplained, you could certainly do much worse than this one.
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Post by: Eric P on June 12, 2013, 10:00:28 AM
i'm about 150 pages into The Center of the World which is a book about a scandalous painting which had been lost and the people who came into contact with it.

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Alternating between nineteenth-century England and present-day New York, this is the story of renowned British painter J. M. W. Turner and his circle of patrons and lovers. It is also the story of Henry Leiden, a middle-aged family man with a troubled marriage and a dead-end job, who finds his life transformed by his discovery of Turner’s The Center of the World, a mesmerizing and unsettling painting of Helen of Troy that was thought to have been lost forever.
 
This painting has such devastating erotic power that it was kept hidden for almost two centuries, and was even said to have been destroyed...until Henry stumbles upon it in a secret compartment at his summer home in the Adirondacks. Though he knows it is an object of immense value, the thought of parting with it is unbearable: Henry is transfixed by its revelation of a whole other world, one of transcendent light, joy, and possibility.
 
Back in the nineteenth century, Turner struggles to create The Center of the World, his greatest painting, but a painting unlike anything he (or anyone else) has ever attempted. We meet his patron, Lord Egremont, an aristocrat in whose palatial home Turner talks freely about his art and his beliefs. We also meet Elizabeth Spencer, Egremont’s mistress and Turner’s muse, the model for his Helen. Meanwhile, in the present, Henry is relentlessly trailed by an unscrupulous art dealer determined to get his hands on the painting at any cost. Filled with sex, beauty, and love (of all kinds), this richly textured novel explores the intersection between art and eroticism.

So far I loathe the character of Henry who seems content to just drift and allow the painting to fill his life to the point of destroying his relationship with his wife and his job due to his obsession with the artwork which he has found.  This may change. I don't know the arc of his character yet, but I hope he doesn't "learn a lesson" in the Literary Fiction mode, because that shit is obnoxious.
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Post by: Eric P on June 18, 2013, 04:41:07 PM
From the "Oh. I see" files

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Clerks meets Buffy the Vampire the Slayer in this original urban fantasy eBook about Geekomancers—humans that derive supernatural powers from pop culture.

Ree Reyes’s life was easier when all she had to worry about was scraping together tips from her gig as a barista and comicshop slave to pursue her ambitions as a screenwriter.

When a scruffy-looking guy storms into the shop looking for a comic like his life depends on it, Ree writes it off as just another day in the land of the geeks. Until a gigantic “BOOM!” echoes from the alley a minute later, and Ree follows the rabbit hole down into her town’s magical flip-side. Here, astral cowboy hackers fight trolls, rubber-suited werewolves, and elegant Gothic Lolita witches while wielding nostalgia-powered props.

Ree joins Eastwood (aka Scruffy Guy), investigating a mysterious string of teen suicides as she tries to recover from her own drag-your-heart-through-jagged-glass breakup. But as she digs deeper, Ree discovers Eastwood may not be the knight-in-cardboard armor she thought. Will Ree be able to stop the suicides, save Eastwood from himself, and somehow keep her job?

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Check out the sequel to Michael R. Underwood’s Geekomancy, Celebromancy, out on July 15 from Pocket Star:

Things are looking up for urban fantasista Ree Reyes. She’s using her love of pop culture to fight monsters and protect her hometown as a Geekomancer, and now a real-live production company is shooting her television pilot script.

But nothing is easy in show business. When an invisible figure attacks the leading lady of the show, former child-star-turned-current-hot-mess Jane Konrad, Ree begins a school-of-hard-knocks education in the power of Celebromancy.

Attempting to help Jane Geekomancy-style with Jedi mind tricks and X-Men infiltration techniques, Ree learns more about movie magic than she ever intended. She also learns that real life has the craziest plots: not only must she lift a Hollywood-strength curse, but she needs to save her pilot, negotiate a bizarre love rhombus, and fight monsters straight out of the silver screen. All this without anyone getting killed or, worse, banished to the D-List.

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Biography
Michael R. Underwood grew up devouring stories in all forms. He holds a B.A. in Creative Mythology and East Asian Studies from Indiana University and an M.A. in Folklore Studies from the University of Oregon, which have been great preparation for writing speculative fiction.

Because he abhors boredom, Michael went immediately from finishing his M.A. to the Clarion West Writers Workshop. He landed in Bloomington, IN, but is now living in Baltimore as the North American Sales & Marketing Manager for Angry Robot Books. In his rapidly-vanishing free time, he games, dances, and studies historical martial arts.

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 18, 2013, 05:17:47 PM
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He holds a B.A. in Creative Mythology and East Asian Studies from Indiana University and an M.A. in Folklore Studies from the University of Oregon

Now there's some degrees that'll take you places.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Steve Contra on June 18, 2013, 05:22:30 PM
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He holds a B.A. in Creative Mythology and East Asian Studies from Indiana University and an M.A. in Folklore Studies from the University of Oregon

Now there's some degrees that'll take you places.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 05:25:22 PM
Should have gone for West Asian Studies, that's where all the money is at.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 19, 2013, 09:10:59 PM
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I stumbled across this book while reading about the sovereign citizen movement.  I have an uncle who likes to send extreme right stuff through e-mail and I've heard about the fringe movements like these so this book is interesting to me.  Nobody else will probably give a shit.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on June 19, 2013, 09:22:28 PM
 this stuff is actually fascinating to me
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Post by: Boogie on June 19, 2013, 09:44:55 PM
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I stumbled across this book while reading about the sovereign citizen movement.  I have an uncle who likes to send extreme right stuff through e-mail and I've heard about the fringe movements like these so this book is interesting to me.  Nobody else will probably give a shit.

Actually, I think I'd definitely have interest in that book.

Our own sovereign citizen movement in Canada is growing, but hasn't demonstrated the same tendency for violence as in the States yet, but the potential is there.

So I have a professional interest in this shit, at least.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on June 19, 2013, 09:47:03 PM
I'm reading the Master and Margarita.  It's about managing the finances of an S&M-themed Mexican restaurant.  I like it!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2013, 10:01:15 PM
anecdote: I spent my tweens/teens living in the suburbs/nice part of a city. It was a housing complex with a shit ton of houses, next to a beautiful golf course, etc. I'd say about 70% white with the rest being black or Asian. A few years ago my mom told me that white supremacy groups would ride through the neighborhood at night and deliver mailers/pamphlets to white families, randomly, to "get the message out" basically; she learned this years ago after a concerned white neighbor showed her the pamphlet in shock, but didn't tell me back then so I didn't get scared or concerned.

Super liberal city/district, I'm sure 98% of the families who received the mailers threw them away; overall it just was not the type of place you'd expect that type of shit. I have since learned some families were indeed members of these groups, and it's just a weird feeling knowing for sure that you lived a few houses down from someone who hates you.

Same thing with "preppers." You never know exactly who your neighbors are.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 19, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
yay folklore at UO! ...

it's a small program. :(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Polari on June 22, 2013, 10:35:30 AM
Just read Blue Nights. Shrivelled up old Joan Didion left only with her grief can still write.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2013, 12:19:03 PM
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I stumbled across this book while reading about the sovereign citizen movement.  I have an uncle who likes to send extreme right stuff through e-mail and I've heard about the fringe movements like these so this book is interesting to me.  Nobody else will probably give a shit.

I looked up this book on Amazon and I found another book by the same title:

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:teehee
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bacchus7 on June 22, 2013, 01:04:31 PM
Der Zauberberg and The Counte of Monte Cristo
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 22, 2013, 03:42:03 PM
Been on a history binge.  Reading two books on early Rome (up to the Punic wars) and the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on June 25, 2013, 09:01:03 AM
Wrapped up the book on Robert "Believe It or Not" Ripley

eh book.  Crazy life told in a boring manner.

Back to reading about the history of advertisers using music to sell products.

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: hampster on June 26, 2013, 12:12:35 AM
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I read the Hero and the Crown several times when I was a kid and loved it. I considered it one of my favorite books even until today despite not reading it in at least 15 years. Anyway I gave the audio book a shot and was surprised how much I forgot... and I forgot most of the bad stuff :( I was a little depressed after finishing because I lost some of magic I had for it. You expect this shit for Saturday morning cartoons but not books :'( Anyway I still think the first 2/3rds are great but it goes down hill from there

Also there is some serious time travel bullshit in the book. I spent way too much time trying to figure out how that stuff made sense
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 02, 2013, 09:27:03 AM
finished up The Serialist in two days.  It's a book about a porn writer who is hired to write the life story of a serial killer who gets wrapped up in a murder mystery.  it's a comedy that's really about the nature of story telling and reading.  Quite good.  Highly recommended.

started to read Red Moon which sounded like an interesting literary thriller (ugh, right?) about werewolves.  This fucking book, I swear to god. I gave up on the train this morning after 25 pages.  The werewolves are from the Lycan Republic which sits on huge uranium stores and the US govt has occupied it.  There are Lycan fundamentalists who turn to terrorism in an attempt to force America out of their country.

Yes, it's a book that LITERALLY turns Muslims into bloodthirsty monsters in the most ham-handed way.  I couldn't believe this was published by a major publishing house in 2013.  fucking horrible.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 04, 2013, 09:46:27 AM
http://www.humblebundle.com/

ebook bundle 2

Cory Doctorow Little Brother
Cherie Priest Boneshaker
 Robert Charles Wilson Spin
Lois McMaster Bujold Shards of Honor

it's worth paying whatever the minimum is for Spin.  If you pay more than $10 (good lord why?) you get a Wil Wheaton book and The Last Unicorn
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 04, 2013, 01:31:09 PM
http://www.humblebundle.com/

ebook bundle 2

Cory Doctorow Little Brother
Cherie Priest Boneshaker
 Robert Charles Wilson Spin
Lois McMaster Bujold Shards of Honor

it's worth paying whatever the minimum is for Spin.  If you pay more than $10 (good lord why?) you get a Wil Wheaton book and The Last Unicorn

I quite enjoyed Little Brother, and I normally can't stand Cory Doctorow's schtick. BTW, don't bother following up on the Spin sequels.

Eric, did you read The Chronoliths? That's my fave Robert Charles Wilson book. I read a lot of his stuff after Spin came out ... most of it's quite skippable. Darwinia may be the biggest "starts out a 5, ends up a 1" of all time however.

I just finished two books from the library (!). A Night in the Lonesome October by Roger Zelazny and Alif the Unseen by G. Willow Wilson.

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A Night in the Lonesome October is a cute and slight book. It's basically League of Extraordinary Gentlemen style fanfic (though with all the names removed, even those in the public domain). So you have The Good Doctor (Frankenstein), The Mad Monk (Rasputin), etc. They all gather once every 50 years or so as participants in "The Game" to aid or stop the Lovecraftian Old Ones from passing through into our universe. Allegiances are not known until The Game is almost over. Oh, and each of them has an animal familiar, and the story is told entirely from their perspective, with the (actually important) human characters almost incidental. The main character is Snuff, faithful hound of Jack the Ripper. It's also illustrated? I dunno, if it sounds like something you'd enjoy, you probably would. As with all Zelazny, it feels like something Gaiman would write with more humor and less pretension.

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Alif the Unseen was okay. It's better than Air (which COMPLETELY fizzled out), but it still has the great premise that never quite gets delivered on. G. Willow Wilson enjoys writing about characters relationships and interior lives, which is fine but I just wish the characters were more interesting! Gaiman has the cover blurb, which is fitting - like his work, the book feels like a pastiche of modern day and classical elements, filtered through Wikipedia and dropped in at a superficial level. It's Arabic fantasy, though, and overtly brings in the Arab Spring in the last third, so at least it's unique.

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I couldn't help but see the character of "the convert" as a stand in for the author, who is herself an American who semi-famously converted to Islam. That might be unfair, but I just couldn't separate the two.
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Now that I'm all caught up on my library books, I can finally start The Shining Girls. CAN'T WAIT.

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 04, 2013, 01:46:55 PM
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Eric, did you read The Chronoliths
nope.  tried that leftist post-america novel though and hated it.  it was like reading daily kos bloggers predict the future under g w bush

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The Shining Girls

i still think of it fondly which is a rarity for me
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 05, 2013, 09:52:45 PM
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I stumbled across this book while reading about the sovereign citizen movement.  I have an uncle who likes to send extreme right stuff through e-mail and I've heard about the fringe movements like these so this book is interesting to me.  Nobody else will probably give a shit.

I finished this book.

The book is pretty interesting.  Basically sovereign citizens started off as people who hate blacks and jews (huge shock there).  Back in the day (1950s), they could just join the John Birch Society.  Then the JBS started softening their views on hating blacks and jews in light of the Civil Rights era, which caused some splinter groups to form because JBS didn't hate blacks and jews enough.  Then they formed the Posse Comitatus, which mostly existed in the Pacific Northwest.  Then after some high profile :snoop incidents, the Posse reforms and relocates to the midwest during the 1980s farm crisis.  Then after some high profile :snoop incidents, the Posse reforms as the militia movement of the 1990s.  The sad thing is here is that the GOP starts moving so far to the right that many GOP politicians openly associate with militia groups and pass legislation based on militia tenets.  Then the militia movement goes tits up due to the Oklahoma City bombing.

The 1980s seemed like a crazy time for politics.  For instance, I had no idea Jesse Jackson and farm organizations were so tight during this time period.  Good read if you're into reading up on fringe movements, which since the 90s began to increasingly mesh with mainstream Republican policies.  The fact that the GOP last year started flirting with the gold standard is proof that this is still going on now.  Granted, what I said was an oversimplification but there's a lot to this book worth reading.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 09, 2013, 12:32:35 PM
I finished The Shining Girls last night. Really blew right threw it, quite tense and exciting.

Went to look at Amazon and was surprised to find it has a lot of 2- and 3-star reviews. It looks like it may have actually gotten some extra-genre crossover as a "summer thriller" for folks who like serial killers, and ended up reaching an audience a bit out of their element.

Several reviewers specifically complained about (minor spoiler):

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How well-characterized each of the "shining girls" felt, only to have each horribly and brutally murdered. Uh, THAT'S THE POINT.
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Anyhow. I don't really care, but I'm shocked someone could dislike this book considering how much I loved it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 09, 2013, 12:36:39 PM
it's being pushed HARD as "this year's Gone Girl" or The One Book For People To Read This Year Who Only Read One Book a Year

I'm currently reading London Falling which is london cops vs monsters

it's pretty awesome and written by the guy who wrote the Saucer County book for vertigo along w/ Demon Knights for the new 52

good fun stuff that tickles the Call of Cthulhu, Police Procedural and Urban Fantasy pleasure receptors all at once
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 09, 2013, 12:46:49 PM
it's being pushed HARD as "this year's Gone Girl" or The One Book For People To Read This Year Who Only Read One Book a Year

yeah, that was the impression I got from some of the reviews (a few of which mentioned Gone Girl specifically). pretty weird for her to go straight from Zoo City to Sudden Mainstream Supersuccess, but it couldn't have happened to a nicer author?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on July 09, 2013, 12:50:18 PM
Yeah I'm cool with it.

I'd say that's the success of Muholland Books's marketing arm

I know I read almost everything they put out, so it must be working to a degree

(don't always like it, but I'm usually interested enough to give it a chance)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 25, 2013, 08:19:28 AM
I've been reading a shitload lately:

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I covered this in the hip hop thread.  This is a pretty good book about Nas done in the usual Byron Crawford way.  I think it is his best so far because it is so focused.  His previous book, Infinite Crab Meats, resembled a paid for version of a bunch of blog posts.

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This is about a Russian soldier fighting in Chechnya.  The Russian military is a bitch to be in and so was fighting the Chechens.

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This book is about Comrade Duch (pronounced "Doik"), a guy who ran a torture prison (which was once in a school) for the Khmer Rouge.  It was guaranteed death as only a couple people survived that prison.  The story is about the rise of this guy through the Khmer Rouge ranks.  The author was a guy obsessed about finding out who this guy is since there seems to be very little information about who the Khmer Rouge is outside of Pol Pot.  Turns out the guy is working for a Christian charity after changing his name and going underground to obscure who he was.  The guy interviews his family, other Khmer Rouge people, and of course the man himself to put together a story about one of the notorious butchers in one of the most extreme meat grinder states in the 20th century.

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It's been forever since I read this book.  Decided to read it just because.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 25, 2013, 11:55:34 AM
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i have been reading mostly comic books and manga at the expense of prose books but I've been devouring the above

War in Europe never ending and it fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked even if you were a wealthy noble.

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We think of the Renaissance as a shining era of human achievementa pinnacle of artistic genius and humanist brilliance, the time of Shakespeare, Michelangelo, and Montaigne. Yet it was also an age of constant, harrowing warfare. Armies, not philosophers, shaped the face of Europe as modern nation-states emerged from feudal society. In Furies, one of the leading scholars of Renaissance history captures the dark reality of the period in a gripping narrative mosaic.

As Lauro Martines shows us, total war was no twentieth-century innovation. These conflicts spared no civilians in their path. A Renaissance army was a mobile city-indeed, a force of 20,000 or 40,000 men was larger than many cities of the day. And it was a monster, devouring food and supplies for miles around. It menaced towns and the countryside-and itself-with famine and disease, often more lethal than combat. Fighting itself was savage, its violence increased by the use of newly invented weapons, from muskets to mortars.

For centuries, notes Martines, the history of this period has favored diplomacy, high politics, and military tactics. Furies puts us on the front lines of battle, and on the streets of cities under siege, to reveal what Europes wars meant to the men and women who endured them.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Polari on August 25, 2013, 05:57:51 PM
Hey so is that a compelling read? I love a bit of history but I'm not really into a slog at the moment.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 25, 2013, 06:55:37 PM
I'm enjoying it.  It's broken up quite a bit so he will cover themes and will tell you about stuff at various points in time that reinforce the theme rather than this happened then this happened then this happened then this, etc.

I don't consider it a slog at all.  It's not quite pop history but it's not a dry academic text
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Polari on August 25, 2013, 07:06:58 PM
Cool, on the list for things to read during my rapidly approaching post-dissertation holidays.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: lordmaji on September 13, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
Propaganda by Edward Bernays.

Very informative and insightful. Interesting read for sure & it's not horribly dry like I thought it would be.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 13, 2013, 10:09:53 AM
all i've been reading have been comix

the new Joe R Lansdale book came in and it's...ok.  It's a Lansdale book and it's absolutely in his voice, but it is basically Hap and Leonard in the old west with slightly meaner characters.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on September 13, 2013, 10:31:22 AM
I'm reading this series called Wool.  It's a sci-fi series about a race of super-intelligent sheep who discover their natural fibers can be used as an energy source for time travel.  I like it!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 13, 2013, 12:04:39 PM
I'm reading this series called Wool.  It's a sci-fi series about a race of super-intelligent sheep who discover their natural fibers can be used as an energy source for time travel.  I like it!

better than the actual plot of Wool
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2013, 02:31:37 PM
I'm enjoying it.  It's broken up quite a bit so he will cover themes and will tell you about stuff at various points in time that reinforce the theme rather than this happened then this happened then this happened then this, etc.

I don't consider it a slog at all.  It's not quite pop history but it's not a dry academic text

It's on my book list, looks interesting. "Wounded" in battle meant something entirely different during that era.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 13, 2013, 02:51:16 PM
looks like i never commented when i finished it but man, people during the enlightenment were fucking absolutely brutal

grimdark history :metal
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 15, 2013, 08:53:55 PM
my girlfriend's bookgroup is contemplating reading Ender's Game.

:fbm
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 17, 2013, 07:39:22 AM
should have the new pynchon waiting for me at home by the time i get home from work, honestly no idea what to expect since it's been so long since i last read anything by him
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2013, 05:04:56 PM
my girlfriend's bookgroup is contemplating reading Ender's Game.

:fbm

I thought it was good, but I read it when I was a teen. Dunno how it holds up.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2013, 06:01:15 PM
currently reading Hollywood and Hitler 1933 - 1939

say, can you guess who was a lot more willing to work with Nazis than they like to let on?

if you said American Jews in Hollywood, you're right!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2013, 06:20:07 PM
I got the new Pynchon on my Kindle and ready for my upcoming flight. YEAH BOYEEEE
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Steve Contra on September 17, 2013, 06:24:04 PM
currently reading Hollywood and Hitler 1933 - 1939

say, can you guess who was a lot more willing to work with Nazis than they like to let on?

if you said American Jews in Hollywood, you're right!
MAAAAAAAANNNNNDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAARK GET IN HERE AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tucah on September 17, 2013, 08:15:30 PM
I got the new Pynchon on my Kindle and ready for my upcoming flight. YEAH BOYEEEE

I got my copy from Amazon today, preordered it a while ago but didn't realize it came out on GTAV day. I'm excited to start it up but I probably won't get a chance for a couple days because all my free time is going towards GTA atm.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 18, 2013, 11:52:16 AM
i started the bleeding edge while waiting for gta v to install, the way the clauses are strung together in the first paragraph reminds me a lot of crying of lot 49
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 18, 2013, 02:22:36 PM
I forgot Pynchon had a new book out, probably have to get up in this.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: tiesto on September 23, 2013, 10:32:13 PM
Reading "Breakout Nations" by Ruchir Sharma. It's extremely interesting for a book on economics, it's right up my territory with some of his namedropping: Malthus, Morphogenetic Resonance (which you may remember from 999), Girls Generation... it's got a slight anti-Keynseian bent, but he makes a compelling argument against it (due to easy access to money mixed with a commodities futures boom).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 23, 2013, 10:56:57 PM
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i have been reading mostly comic books and manga at the expense of prose books but I've been devouring the above

War in Europe never ending and it fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked even if you were a wealthy noble.

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We think of the Renaissance as a shining era of human achievementa pinnacle of artistic genius and humanist brilliance, the time of Shakespeare, Michelangelo, and Montaigne. Yet it was also an age of constant, harrowing warfare. Armies, not philosophers, shaped the face of Europe as modern nation-states emerged from feudal society. In Furies, one of the leading scholars of Renaissance history captures the dark reality of the period in a gripping narrative mosaic.

As Lauro Martines shows us, total war was no twentieth-century innovation. These conflicts spared no civilians in their path. A Renaissance army was a mobile city-indeed, a force of 20,000 or 40,000 men was larger than many cities of the day. And it was a monster, devouring food and supplies for miles around. It menaced towns and the countryside-and itself-with famine and disease, often more lethal than combat. Fighting itself was savage, its violence increased by the use of newly invented weapons, from muskets to mortars.

For centuries, notes Martines, the history of this period has favored diplomacy, high politics, and military tactics. Furies puts us on the front lines of battle, and on the streets of cities under siege, to reveal what Europes wars meant to the men and women who endured them.

I just finished this book.  The camp followers thing was something I had not heard about before but it makes sense, considering how most armies were the size of large cities then.  I'm surprised suicide wasn't more common then; maybe it just wasn't reported.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2013, 11:05:09 PM
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I've almost finished "This Book is Full of Spiders (the sequel to "John Dies at the End", which I haven't read) and it's pretty good. It does a good job of juggling the funny bits with the tense action bits. The basic premise is these two dudebros live in this town that's sort of a nexus for all sorts of weirdness, and because of a drug they took in the previous book, they're more sensitive to it than most people, and end up generally being right in the middle of all the shit that goes down. The shit being alien spider-things eating people's faces off and taking over their bodies, government black ops, doomsday preppers, and mad scientists.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 24, 2013, 10:36:01 PM
I loved the first book; it was a free download for a long time, and if you dig around hard enough now, it still is.

The movie was a lot of fun, but uneven. The audiobook is a better way to experience it if you're not feeling like straining your peepers on text.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 24, 2013, 10:40:07 PM
Oh joy my new Kindle will be here next week so I need a fresh new book to read on it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 25, 2013, 06:36:33 AM
more than half way through Hollywood and Hitler and it's just a fascinating book.

I wasn't aware of just how little i knew about films at this time.  In NYC there were film houses devoted to only showing news reels where political junkies would gather and yell at the screens.  just like today there were ones that catered to liberal sensibilities (mostly immigrants) and to conservatives.  yelling the wrong thing at the wrong theater was a good way to get yourself beat up.

the chapter on Mussolini's son trying to break into the film biz and the birth of the Cinecitta studios was also fascinating.

luckily MoMA agrees and they will be showing a few of the early early anti-nazi films mentioned in the book this fall.

 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: hampster on September 25, 2013, 07:20:28 AM
Robin McKinley's new book, Shadows, is out this week :hyper

Oh god my reading habits are that of a preteen girl :( Fuck the bookshelf outside my room as a kid full of my sister's books :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 25, 2013, 07:28:29 AM
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Just started this. The Years of Rice and Salt is an alternate history novel written by science fiction author Kim Stanley Robinson and published in 2002. The novel explores how subsequent world history may have been different if the Black Death plague had killed 99% of Europe's population, instead of a third. Divided into ten parts, the story spans hundreds of years, from the army of the Muslim conqueror Timur to the 21st century, with Europe being re-populated by Muslim pioneers, the indigenous peoples of the Americas forming a league to resist Chinese and Muslim invaders, and a 67 year long world war being fought primarily between Muslim states and the Chinese and their allies. While the ten parts take place in different times and places, they are connected by a group of characters that are reincarnated into each time but are identified to the reader by the first letter of their name being consistent in each life.

The novel explores themes of history, religion, and social movements. The historical narrative is guided more by social history than political or military history. Critics found the book to be rich in detail, realistic, and thoughtful. Robinson had previously published several other science fiction novels and short stories which had won him several Nebula, Hugo and Locus Awards. The Years of Rice and Salt won the Locus Award for Best Science Fiction Novel in 2003. In the same year it was nominated for the Arthur C. Clarke Award, a Hugo Award, and a British Science Fiction Award.

Just started it. Alternate history has always intrigued me but I usually avoid it since it always seems to have a whiff of "fan fiction" about it. This one sounded promising though. Plus, no CACs
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 25, 2013, 07:47:45 AM
I've always wanted to read House of Leaves but I heard that it's not a book to read in digital format. Can someone confirm/deny?
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Post by: Eric P on September 25, 2013, 08:28:51 AM
i would absolutely never try to read it in ebook format unless it was some gorgeous tablet app redesigned by the author
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 25, 2013, 10:29:44 AM
Started reading:

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Non-fiction book about the history of conspiracy theories in American society/politics. Should be good.
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Post by: Eric P on September 25, 2013, 10:38:24 AM
i have that on order from my library
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 25, 2013, 10:44:48 AM
It starts out awesome right from the first page. It about how Andrew Jackson's attempted assassination was blamed (by Jackson) on Congressman John Calhoun, and then anti-Jacksonians claimed that Jackson staged the assassination attempt to make himself look awesome, and then some other dude comes along and claims that Calhoun was just a member of a secret organization called Slave Power and that they had already assassinated William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor (with poison) for not being cool with having lots of slaves.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on September 25, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
This sounds sweet.
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Post by: chronovore on September 25, 2013, 08:06:26 PM
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Just started this. The Years of Rice and Salt is an alternate history novel written by science fiction author Kim Stanley Robinson and published in 2002. The novel explores how subsequent world history may have been different if the Black Death plague had killed 99% of Europe's population, instead of a third. Divided into ten parts, the story spans hundreds of years, from the army of the Muslim conqueror Timur to the 21st century, with Europe being re-populated by Muslim pioneers, the indigenous peoples of the Americas forming a league to resist Chinese and Muslim invaders, and a 67 year long world war being fought primarily between Muslim states and the Chinese and their allies. While the ten parts take place in different times and places, they are connected by a group of characters that are reincarnated into each time but are identified to the reader by the first letter of their name being consistent in each life.

The novel explores themes of history, religion, and social movements. The historical narrative is guided more by social history than political or military history. Critics found the book to be rich in detail, realistic, and thoughtful. Robinson had previously published several other science fiction novels and short stories which had won him several Nebula, Hugo and Locus Awards. The Years of Rice and Salt won the Locus Award for Best Science Fiction Novel in 2003. In the same year it was nominated for the Arthur C. Clarke Award, a Hugo Award, and a British Science Fiction Award.

Just started it. Alternate history has always intrigued me but I usually avoid it since it always seems to have a whiff of "fan fiction" about it. This one sounded promising though. Plus, no CACs

 ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC

I'm a fan of Robinson's stuff; the Mars series is really good. I've had that Years of Rice and Salt book since it came out in paperback, but haven't yet got 'round to it.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 25, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
cracker-ass cracker (aka whiteys, honkeys, snow niccas)
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Post by: chronovore on September 25, 2013, 11:15:24 PM
cracker-ass cracker (aka whiteys, honkeys, snow niccas)
I laughed until I couldn't stop coughing. THANKS, ADAMA.
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Post by: Eric P on September 26, 2013, 09:16:57 AM
I have stopped reading Hollywood and Hitler because I am reading The Complete Judge Dredd Casefiles Vol 1 and it's absolutely insane.
No one told me it would be like this.

Violent, wry, ironic satire.  It's like if the silver age of comics never ended.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 26, 2013, 09:26:12 AM
cracker-ass cracker (aka whiteys, honkeys, snow niccas)
I laughed until I couldn't stop coughing. THANKS, ADAMA.

:lol
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Post by: Eric P on October 01, 2013, 09:32:46 AM
I'm currently reading Chase Novak's Breed which is a hilarious book about a couple of rich upper west side New Yorkers and their attempts to have children and the complications their lives face once they have them.

It's billed as a horror novel, but I guess you have to have / want / like children for that to apply because to me it's a laugh a minute.

I think it's a semi-covert werewolf novel (not really a spoiler) but I'm not yet at the half-way point so I can't comment definitively just yet.




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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 10:52:19 AM
Bout halfway through the United States of Paranoia, it's been pretty good so far. I'm putting it on hold though for some Halloween reading:

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The first one was a pretty solid anthology, and this one looks good too judging by the table of contents. A lot of familar names (Neil Gaiman, Michael Chabon, Laird Barron, Fritz Leiber, W. H. Pugmire, Kim Newman), some stuff that I've seen collected before, but mostly not. Well worth the fiver I paid for it at HPB.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 10:56:46 AM
BTW, I buy all my Mythos anthologies in print because ebooks aren't eldritch enough.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 01, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
W.M. Pugmire sounds like a guy who has traveled in time from the 1910s to stomp you a new asshole
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Post by: Eric P on October 01, 2013, 11:50:08 AM
google him

you may be surprised!
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 01, 2013, 11:54:34 AM
!
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2013, 10:53:30 PM
can someone please recommend some sort of horror thing to me. maybe sci-fi maybe not. just need something to start october off and also to use my new kindle.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 02, 2013, 10:59:20 PM
can someone please recommend some sort of horror thing to me. maybe sci-fi maybe not. just need something to start october off and also to use my new kindle.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Terror-A-Novel-ebook/dp/B000PAAH3A/ref=sr_sp-atf_title_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380769125&sr=8-1&keywords=the+terror (http://www.amazon.com/The-Terror-A-Novel-ebook/dp/B000PAAH3A/ref=sr_sp-atf_title_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380769125&sr=8-1&keywords=the+terror)
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2013, 11:05:06 PM
 :( I've already read The Terror  :(

thanks tho
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 02, 2013, 11:07:28 PM
aaand that led me to Dan Simmons new book, The Abominable.

I think I'll go with that.

edit: OH WAIT fuck, it's not out yet :(
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Post by: chronovore on October 03, 2013, 05:02:27 AM
I'm going to Shikoku next week, so I'm re-reading Ian McDonald's Scissors Cut Paper Wrap Stone, a cyberpunk story of Buddhist pilgrims in a post-industrial Japan.
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Post by: Eric P on October 03, 2013, 07:48:41 AM
can someone please recommend some sort of horror thing to me. maybe sci-fi maybe not. just need something to start october off and also to use my new kindle.

one of my favorite modern horror author has his newest book on Kindle for $2 right now

http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Thing-That-Awaits-ebook/dp/B00B0SBF1Y/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=8-1&qid=1380800789



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Over the course of two award-winning collections and a critically acclaimed novel, The Croning, Laird Barron has arisen as one of the strongest and most original literary voices in modern horror and the dark fantastic. Melding supernatural horror with hardboiled noir, espionage, and a scientific backbone, Barron’s stories have garnered critical acclaim and have been reprinted in numerous year’s best anthologies and nominated for multiple awards, including the Crawford, International Horror Guild, Shirley Jackson, Theodore Sturgeon, and World Fantasy awards.

Barron returns with his third collection, The Beautiful Thing That Awaits Us All. Collecting interlinking tales of sublime cosmic horror, including “Blackwood’s Baby,” “The Carrion Gods in Their Heaven,” and “The Men from Porlock,” The Beautiful Thing That Awaits Us All delivers enough spine-chilling horror to satisfy even the most jaded reader.
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Post by: chronovore on October 04, 2013, 06:43:42 AM
Purchased, thanks for the heads-up!
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Post by: Polari on October 09, 2013, 11:16:35 PM
Read Methland and Peter Hook's Joy Division memoirs on my holiday. Both were pretty interesting. Hook is kind of a cunt though.
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Post by: Eric P on October 10, 2013, 08:59:47 AM
I'm currently reading Bram Stoker's Dracula
I haven't read this in decades, I believe, so it's fun to see how closely the various film versions hew to the actual tale
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 10, 2013, 11:14:29 AM
I read that for one of my University courses.

I did a comparison of it to the movie Lost Boys :lol
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2013, 11:28:38 AM
I read that for one of my University courses.

I did a comparison of it to the movie Lost Boys :lol

Did Felddog and the Haimster adequately capture the gothic horror and lurid victorian sexuality of the Bram Stoker original?
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Post by: chronovore on October 14, 2013, 08:25:04 AM
Read Methland and Peter Hook's Joy Division memoirs on my holiday. Both were pretty interesting. Hook is kind of a cunt though.

I felt that way after reading Anthony Kiedis' autobiography, Scar Tissue. it actually made me enjoy the music a little less than before. Dude is broken and an abusive, self destructive type.

I'd still read Flea's bio if he ever puts one out. 
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 14, 2013, 03:49:08 PM
Nearly done with Ancillary Justice (http://www.amazon.com/Ancillary-Justice-Ann-Leckie/dp/031624662X), a very popular space opera that's getting bonkers great reviews. I don't get it - I'd give it a 3.5 / 5. The main character is sort of interesting (she used to be a ship AI with dozens of remote bodies, but due to Circumstances is now reduced to a single human form). We learn about Circumstances in alternating flashback chapters. Unfortunately, I don't really feel like the book does anything interesting with this premise - the single-ship body seems more or less like a standard special ops badass, just one who used to be a ship.

There is an interesting linguistic trick; the ship comes from a culture with an ambiguous understanding of gender and often gets confused when talking about other people. As a result, every person in the book is referred to as "she" or "her," and you'll get lines like "she was obviously male" or "her face was covered a close-cut gray beard." But again, while interesting I don't feel like it does much with this.

If it sounds like Your Sort of Thing you might enjoy it, but it just doesn't gel together for me. And it turns out the last part of the book is a few chapters from the sequel so I'm trending towards a SUPER inconclusive ending, seems like. :goty
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 15, 2013, 05:26:16 PM
finished it. very 3/5. way overhyped. :goty
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Post by: Eric P on October 15, 2013, 05:46:48 PM
will pass then!  thanks for taking the bullet!

I had to set aside Dracula to read some library books
I'm currently reading french crime sensation, Alex which is kind of icky and I may not finish

if you want lots of sadistic sex and enjoy the victimization of women, then this may be the book of the year for you.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 20, 2013, 02:58:15 PM
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Initially, I rolled my eyes at this book.  It seems like the Paleo craze is starting to peter out and when I see the word "Manifesto" written unironically, it's usually a book to pass on.  Yet I kept hearing about how it is the new Good Calories Bad Calories (or GCBC as I will call it from here on out) from some people who know their shit, including the author of GCBC.  So I got it.  You may say "paleo hnarf hnarf" but because of it, I'm back to my peak health, I have a ton of energy, can focus (instead of being in a permabrainfog like I have been for years), sleep great, and my hair stopped falling/thinning out.  Anyway, this book isn't that great.  There are so many times you can hear about how fucked farm subsidies are for dumping cheap shitty grain into the marketplace without skipping past that was sometime in 2011.  Yep, cheap grain is shitty and yep, HFCS is everywhere, even in things that you may not think have it.  This book doesn't really introduce anything new but if you're new to the scene, weigh 260 pounds and have tits that would give you a boner if you were a woman, this isn't a bad place to start.  GCBC is still the GOAT and you can find a PDF of it for free easily enough on the internet.  I recommend you do that instead (or re-read your copy) rather than mess with this book.  It's not so much bad as it is unoriginal and in a scene with literally dozens of books saying the same thing, you can safely pass this one.
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Post by: chronovore on October 21, 2013, 12:44:47 AM
Reading Hard Magic (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8643407-hard-magic) by Larry Correia. I like urban fantasy, crime fiction, and film noir, so I'd been pretty hopeful when I approached The Dresden Files: Storm Front, which turned out to be complete crap. The hope which was mislaid there seems to have been better applied here. The book is a lot of fun, with good pacing, an interesting set of characters, and good writing, at least perfectly suited to the hardboiled genre tone.

Also re-read Scissors Cut Paper Wrap Stone, by Ian MacDonald. I'd remembered that it takes place during a pilgrimage on Shikoku, so I read it on my own pilgrimage to Shikoku, the week before last. It's a brisk read, and has very poetic language for a cyberpunk piece. Very enjoyable, though a couple central conceits don't hold up for me, while other are surprisingly prescient.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 21, 2013, 04:11:18 AM
What a great book guys

 :usacry  :cancry

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 21, 2013, 04:12:49 AM
Reading Hard Magic (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8643407-hard-magic) by Larry Correia. I like urban fantasy, crime fiction, and film noir, so I'd been pretty hopeful when I approached The Dresden Files: Storm Front, which turned out to be complete crap. The hope which was mislaid there seems to have been better applied here. The book is a lot of fun, with good pacing, an interesting set of characters, and good writing, at least perfectly suited to the hardboiled genre tone.

I got 3 books in that series for Secret Santa Bore a few years back. Good easy reads. If you like Harry try this

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Post by: chronovore on October 21, 2013, 12:44:38 PM
I read and enjoyed Already Dead; thanks!

I wasn't super thrilled with the mythology the author is working to build, so I am not champing at the bit to read the sequels.

I didn't like Storm Front at all. Hard Magic is a different beast, closer to Already Dead.
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Post by: chronovore on October 23, 2013, 04:18:07 AM
Started on Foucault's Pendulum.
It's been a long time since I read it, but I recall feeling it was not as awesome as everyone made it out to be. Hope you find it delectable.
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Post by: Eric P on October 31, 2013, 08:07:01 AM
if anyone likes old school ghost stories, Amazon currently has a great collection by MR James for sale for $3 right now.

http://www.amazon.com/Collected-Ghost-Stories-ebook/dp/B005WSNYEY/ref=sr_1_5?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1383220740&sr=1-5

I currently own that in dead tree format and just picked it up in ebook form for comfortable reading.

If you do pick it up, I cannot say enough good things about A Podcast To The Curious which takes the format of the HP Lovecraft Literary Podcast of examining one story in depth with historical notes and research to kind of give context to it.

http://www.mrjamespodcast.com/

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 31, 2013, 08:44:46 AM
It isn't a bad book, it is just very unoriginal. 
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 31, 2013, 08:47:55 AM
I've been reading Dead Mountain: The Untold True Story of the Dyatlov Pass Incident

It's a non-fiction book about a filmmaker's journey to uncover the truth about what happened to the hikers that died during the Dyatlov Pass Incident.

The structure is a bit interesting. It follows three narratives; first is the author and his trips to Russia to research and investigate what happened, second is about the hikers themselves and the lead up to their ultimate demise, and the third is about the actual search party and investigation that took place after the hikers were discovered missing.

Seeing how the events played out is pretty interesting and I do like how the story is told (though the "current" narrative thread is the least interesting).

One aspect that I'm finding to be a bit weak is the authors writing. He tends to re-use writing tropes over and over, specifically he uses "As *I did this*, *this happened*". So like he'll say something like "As I stood there watching the train, a wave of realization washed over me." It's not  MAJOR issue but it's literally re-used at least once a chapter during the1st person retelling of his journey.

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Post by: Eric P on November 13, 2013, 10:06:38 AM
Just wrapped After Dracula - The Horror FIlm in the 1930s which is a short quick academic read that takes a deep look into a handful of generally pre-code films.  The book is interesting and gave some insight into the British horror film in the 30s which is generally overlooked in favor of Universal's output.  There is are very in depth looks at Island of Lost Souls and The Black Cat which were greatly appreciated.  My own experience with non-Universal Legosi / Karloff films have been limited because most of them are just godawful, so I have never seen The Black Cat, something this book has convinced me I need to rectify immediately.

After that I read Haunted Castles which is a collection of the Gothic Horror fiction of Ray Russell, a writer with whom I was unfamiliar, much to my detriment.  He was a longtime editor at Playboy which helped shape its reputation for excellent genre fiction (if you can check out the Playboy Books of Horror or Science Fiction to get a glimpse of classics which first appeared in that magazine).  These stories are gothics in the EC mode (probably influencing those comics) pitted with cruelty, irony and blackest of humors with wonderful twists

I'm currently reading Narcoland.  Hey, did you all know that Mexico's government is complicit in the cartels?  you probably guessed but it sure is terrifying to see just how intertwined the two are.
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Post by: Diunx on November 13, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Finished American Psycho yesterday, really enjoyed it, the food and clothes description would give GRRM the biggest hard on in his life.
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Post by: chronovore on November 14, 2013, 06:32:53 AM
Just wrapped Hard Magic, which was great, and started Monster Hunter: Vendetta, which is pretty uninspiring so far. I like Correia's handling of noir-stylings and magic, but his gun fetish and "just a normal guy who is a total badass and loves his guns and is paranoid BUT FOR A REASON" is showing up weirdly in this modern day stuff.

Probably going to set it aside and start a different book.

Finishing up Best Served Cold in the near future as well. Abercrombie's prose is pretty smoooooth.
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Post by: Eric P on November 14, 2013, 08:54:31 AM
Narcoland has a great line in it which I came across this morning
"During the 1980s, the United States authorities raised a murder of crows that today are pecking their eyes out."

It's basically about Iran Contra and how the CIA and DEA implicitly or explicitly supported the trafficking of drugs from Mexico to the US in order to raise money to murder South Americans with which they didn't agree but you can paint that to things like the middle-east today.

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Post by: chronovore on November 18, 2013, 06:03:21 PM
Well, yeah; esp. look at Afghanistan, and how the resistance-against-the-USSR is what we're facing now in that area during our own ill-advised occupation.
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Post by: Eric P on November 20, 2013, 07:41:47 AM
finished Narcoland.  Totally depressing.  The only thing I think which can solve the issue is more opportunities for education and economic development in Mexico, but lord only knows how that will happen.  I hear that there's an increasing manufacturing sector which is doing things like building cars and such in central Mexico, but then there are places which just got electricity in 2001.  It's just insane to read about.  Sociopaths acting without fear of retribution all around, both in and out of cartels and governments.   
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Post by: Eric P on November 25, 2013, 09:16:12 AM
Started reading:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/615cS5WkcvL.__.jpg)

Non-fiction book about the history of conspiracy theories in American society/politics. Should be good.

reading this now. Still in the introduction so I don't have much to report.  As a dumb kid I loved conspiracy theories because they presented a kind of magical thinking.  I wasn't a huge believer in them pretty much knowing that the world was too chaotic to really be dictacted by something so beautifully simple as the Illuminati or what have you.
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Post by: Eric P on November 29, 2013, 09:45:09 AM
one of my favorite publishers is having a BFD sale where all of their ebooks are $.99 w/ coupon

RFD1113

 http://www.chizinepub.com/titles

Titles I own from them
Celestial Inventories
Eutopia
Every House is Haunted
Horror Story and Other Horror Stories
The Inner City
Monstrous Affections
Remember Why You Fear Me
The Summer is Ended and We Are Not Yet Saved
Swallowing a Donkey's Eye
The Tel Aviv Dossier
Wikiworld
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 29, 2013, 10:19:21 AM
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Tests monday  :(
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2013, 11:24:43 AM
is our machines learning?
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 30, 2013, 09:16:44 PM
(http://img1.imagesbn.com/p/9780060937164_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG)

Just diving into this now

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On deck
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Post by: tiesto on December 01, 2013, 12:00:31 PM
Couldn't put it down... and makes me think we are fucked if the Deep South ever gets political dominance again.

(http://www.colinwoodard.com/sitebuilder/images/cover._American_Nations-576x860.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on December 01, 2013, 01:40:45 PM
that's the next book i'm reading.
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Post by: Eric P on December 02, 2013, 08:44:49 AM
Started reading:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/615cS5WkcvL.__.jpg)

Non-fiction book about the history of conspiracy theories in American society/politics. Should be good.

reading this now. Still in the introduction so I don't have much to report.  As a dumb kid I loved conspiracy theories because they presented a kind of magical thinking.  I wasn't a huge believer in them pretty much knowing that the world was too chaotic to really be dictacted by something so beautifully simple as the Illuminati or what have you.

I didn't know what what to expect but I absolutely love this book.  The author hits on some of my favorite conspiracy folk lore and provides actual history to stuff like Discordians, Church of the Subgenius, John Keel, and even touching on Charles Fort.  This is an entertaining and informative book.  I just wish it were longer.
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Post by: Eric P on December 03, 2013, 08:43:05 AM
finished the Conspiracy book and the final segments were about liberal media bias, not conspiracies.  But editor of Reason Mag, whatchagonna do?  (at least it was interesting and informative in how the left portrayed the Right Wing violence spree of the past few years compared to the actual numbers)

Was going to read that American Nations book but am going to read This House Is Haunted first which is a book that seeks to emulate Victorian Ghost Stories.  I'm 25 pages in and so far we've got a Dickens appearance (reading The Signalman, no less)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 03, 2013, 10:43:10 AM
is our machines learning?

I don't know about your's but my certainly is. 
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Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2013, 02:22:53 AM
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My favorite part of Phil's books are how his flaws are always him caring too much or working too hard and how much he plays up (or believes?!?) his Zen Master persona.

You'd think an editor would check the win loss records and years of events though.

finished the Conspiracy book and the final segments were about liberal media bias, not conspiracies.  But editor of Reason Mag, whatchagonna do?  (at least it was interesting and informative in how the left portrayed the Right Wing violence spree of the past few years compared to the actual numbers)
The genesis of the book was this article and expanded from there after he started researching all the stuff people have believed: http://reason.com/archives/2009/09/15/the-paranoid-center

And Walker really really really hates the Southern Poverty Law Center and its use by the media as a source. So that's probably why it swerves.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 04, 2013, 07:27:03 AM
I was going to read American Nations but I found the task too daunting just right now.  Am reading This House is Haunted which is a take on Victorian Ghost Stories.  This is a horror book which isn't particularly horrifying.  I'm curious enough about the central mystery to keep reading and I do like the language and the very clear (and acknowledged within the text) calls to Dickens.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 05, 2013, 08:09:31 AM
finished This House is Haunted in a day and it was ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh overall.  The actual mystery part was really good but the climax was a bit too The Conjuring for me with a goddamn ghost pulling apart a house.

Still not in the mood to read about how godawful the south is so I started reading a YA book called Beauty Queens by Libba Bray.  It's basically Lord of the Flies with beauty pageant contestants.  It's cute but not really laugh out loud funny thus far.  I do like it but not as much as Pornokitsch's review

http://www.pornokitsch.com/2013/11/review-round-up-ness-cadigan-haining-kaufman-alexander-bray.html

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Libba Bray's Beauty Queens (2011) made me laugh out loud a half-dozen times. A dark, slapstick comedy about teenage pageant competitors stranded on a desert island while a bumbling Evil Corporation does Evil Stuff in the background. Ms. Bray takes wonderful pokes at reality television, consumer culture, nepotism, television, the South,... pretty much everything. But beneath it, there's a really lovely positive message about doing what you love and being yourself - whoever you are. Very highly recommended, both as a charmingly progressive book and a hilarious one.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2013, 10:34:15 AM
The kids at school read those victorian girl books that Libba Bray writes. I decided to check out her book "Going Bovine" a while back, which was about a kid with Mad Cow Disease that goes on a phantasmagorical adventure, and it was p. okay.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 05, 2013, 11:51:45 AM
Finally, finally getting around to reading the Culture novels. :hyper
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on December 16, 2013, 09:32:07 AM
Still not reading that American Nations book.  Lawrence in Arabia finally hit my turn after being on hold forever at my library so I dove into that pretty much immediately.  It's fascinating.  I think that Lawrence is just marketing bait because the book thus far focuses on 4 different individuals who were representative of the various interests acting on the Ottoman empire in the early 20th century.  We have TE Lawrence dispatched by the British, we have Curt Prüfer dispatched by the Germans, Aaron Aaronsohn a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation looking to finagle a homeland for the Jews, and Standard Oil agent William Yale. 

The author Scott Anderson is doing a very good job of painting the main players right now and the societies from which they originate and how those actors viewed the Middle East.  He's not doing so well on how the people who live in the Middle East view the outsiders, but I imagine there's less documentation from which the historian can pull.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 16, 2013, 11:31:36 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HI7TeiPUL..jpg)

Not really a huge King fan, but I do enjoy reading his short stuff. I'm almost finished with the first novella "1922" and it's pretty good. It's about a guy that kills his wife, pulls off the perfect murder, but in doing so he triggers a domino effect that ends up ruining not only his own life but the lives of everyone around him.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: lordmaji on December 16, 2013, 11:50:59 AM
Morals & Dogma - Albert Pike.  :lol

Well, trying to at least. It is a bit dry.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: tiesto on January 06, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
(http://www.csmonitor.com/var/archive/storage/images/media/images/102710-review.jpg/8879472-1-eng-US/102710-review.jpg_full_600.jpg)

Bought this when I bought American Nations, since I'm into sociology/nonfiction type stuff... liked it a lot more than Patchwork Nations (plus it has plenty of stats and numbers!)... seems much more logical in the way they grouped different parts of America together - by demographics, population density, population growth, religion, income, race, etc. instead of just by its historical founding.

Now finally getting around to Fareed Zakaraia's Post American World.

Think it's time for some fiction after this though!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 06, 2014, 10:19:48 PM
The Disappearing Spoon: And Other True Tales of Madness, Love, and the History of the World from the Periodic Table of the Elements

The Art of Explanation: Making your Ideas, Products, and Services Easier to Understand

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2014, 12:23:11 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51031BkobxL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

A meh-ish "sequel" to one of the earliest (1976) post-Lovecraft mythos anthologies. Most of these stories are a bit silly and bank pretty heavily on sex. One of the stories is inexplicably a sequel to The Island of Dr. Moreau written by Fred Olen Ray (director/producer of Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers and Emmanuel 2000) for chrissakes.  :wtf
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 08, 2014, 12:34:09 PM
(http://paperhouses.co/images/made/9bff5f3ea8b1746a/51obzG+jBWL._SY344_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_BO1,204,203,200__233_346.jpg)

Follow up (prequel lolol) to Paris 1919. My backlog is getting ridiculous now but I picked this up and may bump it up to the front.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mupepe on January 08, 2014, 01:41:55 PM
I'm rereading The Dark Tower series.  Currently on The Drawing of the Three.  Forgot how good it is.  :drool
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2014, 01:42:18 AM
I finally finished Best Served Cold, Abercrombie's stand-alone swords and soldiers and revenge book, set in the same world of his more famous book series, of which I've read none. Cormacaroni gave me the whole series, so I will read it, because everyone seems to agree that it's better than this. BSC was not bad by any measure, but the characters were not, by and large, likable, and the whole thing is either humorless, or so dry in its humor that it sailed past me. Except for the poisoner and Cosca. I liked it, but I'm going to wait a bit before starting The Blade Itself.

Just wrapping up Monster Hunter International. After enjoying the alternate history in Hard Magic so much, I figured MHI would be a slam dunk for popcorn fare. Instead, I feel like I'm reading through some gun-fan, fantasy-geek libertarian's wet dream. It's the story of a large, angry man who was trying really hard to fit into normal society after a long dark history of fringe violence (illegal street fighting, bouncing) but turns out that he's not meant to be an accountant, and instead finds a group of licensed monster hunters (HENCE THE TITLE) who share his repressed need to enact violence, also love their guns (but he's just a little bit better than they are), and accept him for who he is! Also, dispersions are cast against the government at just about every turn. The main character also falls for a girl who is going out with the badass Camaro jerkface captain of his group, who she can't see is just a prideful asshole Who is Afraid of The Main Character.

Yeah... NONE of this was present in the Hard Magic book, which was a lot more fun and felt much less like one long Freudian slip. I'll continue reading the latter series, but I may be done with MHI.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 09, 2014, 03:47:18 AM
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Good stuff.
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So obvious Lamb = Logen
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This took about three weeks but the last 500 pages I burned through because it's so entertaining. Also ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

Don't get too excited Rotfuss is taking FOREVER with the final part.

Ive found the main character kind of annoying too.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Rufus on January 09, 2014, 04:54:14 AM
Yeah, I agree, Kvothe is too perfect. Made me hesitant to pick up the second book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 09, 2014, 07:13:57 AM
I'm currently reading Will McIntosh's Love Minus Eighty which is about deep freeze wives for lonely space colonists

it posits a pretty horrifying future
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 09, 2014, 07:41:41 AM
Yeah, I agree, Kvothe is too perfect. Made me hesitant to pick up the second book.

It really put me off on the whole fantasy genre for a while as I'm really starting to get bored of this coming of age genre, until some smart people recommended me the First Law trilogy which is amazing and fresh.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on January 09, 2014, 10:44:48 AM
I'm reading Glamorama, which is about fucks and shits and girls with no tits.  I like it!

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Pk4rHH9VL.jpg)

Got some fresh, new liberal spank material for my nook. Can't wait to reaffirm my biases. :aah
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 15, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/611-2Y5bzFL._SY344_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TU2jfcx1L.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bqqPGfGeL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2014, 01:17:47 PM
Quote
On Fox News, the tedious personages of workaday politics are reborn as heroes and villains with triumphs and reversals —  never-ending story lines. And the beauty of it is that Ailes's viewers —  the voters —  are the protagonists, victims of socialist overlords, or rebels coming to take the government back. The viewers, on their couches, are flattered as the most important participants, the foot soldiers in Ailes's army.

:lawd
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2014, 08:03:16 PM
I'm reading Glamorama, which is about fucks and shits and girls with no tits.  I like it!



I had this on my Amazon wishlist for years but I'm worried I've aged past enjoying Ellis.


Considering it seems that even Ellis has aged past enjoying Ellis, that seems likely.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 17, 2014, 03:01:34 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wWjUeOZ6L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-63,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

This is a very interesting book.  At this point, most people here on The Bore realize that for a couple decades, there was a huge middle class that was formed by things like high tax rates, infrastructure spending, expansion of unions, and the GI Bill.  The book delves into that further, explaining the hard work over the course of several decades it took to create this middle class and why it was so easy to overturn it starting in the 1970s.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 19, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
Re-reading RUM PUNCH. God DAMN, but Elmore Leonard can paint a picture with words.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 14, 2014, 06:48:04 AM
if anyone wants to read a very fascinating book about how much war suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked in the Renaissance here you go.  $2 for Kindle today

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009K4Z37W/ref=s9_simh_gw_p351_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-5&pf_rd_r=1X12K2A9X9S0FP3FJ9C0&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200422&pf_rd_i=507846
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 16, 2014, 05:44:06 PM
attention Joe

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IC7C3G2

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“From the wells of night to the gulfs of space, ever praise and abundance to the Black Goat of the Woods. Iä! Shub-Niggurath! The Goat with a Thousand Young!”

With this prayer in the ‘The Whisperer In Darkness’, Lovecraft introduced the world to the mighty and terrible Shub-Niggurath, the fertility deity of his then-fledgling Cthulhu Mythos. A being of primal lusts, overwhelming fecundity, and soul-blasting horror, the Black Goat is regularly invoked, entreated, and mentioned in furtive whispers within the pages of most Mythos fiction. And yet, for all that she is a cornerstone of the Mythos, readers encounter her rarely.

Now, with ‘Conqueror Womb: Lusty Tales of Shub-Niggurath’, Martian Migraine Press and editors Justine Geoffrey and Scott R Jones bring you 18 pulpy tales of fertility and fear, hot sex and chilling sacrifice! Stories that squelch, tales that both titillate and terrify, from some of the best writers working in Lovecraftian horror and mind-bending erotica today: Wilum H. Pugmire, Molly Tanzer, Don Webb, Christine Morgan, Kenton Hall, Brian M. Sammons, Jacqueline Sweet, Copper Sloane Levy, Annabeth Leong, and Christopher Slatsky, along with fresh new voices.

From nighted glades where frenzied orgiasts work unholy magic to slick urban dungeons of unbridled pleasure; from fertility clinics to fevered dance clubs; from the misty depths of the past to the unthinkable future, join us as we offer praise and abundance! Iä! Shub-Niggurath!

Table of Contents...
This Human Form – Lyndsey Holder
That Hideous Thing – Ran Cartwright
Unsatisfied – Brian M. Sammons
Mater Annelida – Victoria Dalpe
The Potboiler Sigil – Luke R. J. Maynard
All This For the Greater Glory of the 7th and 329th Children of the Black Goat of the Woods – Molly Tanzer
Babymama – Kenton Hall
Our Child – Annabeth Leong
Boy – Don Webb
Pieces (2) for String Octet – Copper Sloane Levy
The Whisperer in the Vagina – Shon Richards
Obsidian Capra Aegagrus – Christopher Slatsky
Dirtymag – Jonas Moth
With Honey Dripping – Christine Morgan
In the Down Deep Down – Jacqueline Sweet
The Scarlet Scripture – Ambrosius Grimes
Within Your Unholy Pit of Shoggoths – Wilum H. Pugmire
Blossom – Rose Banks
The Conqueror Womb: Parsing Shub-Niggurath (essay) – Scott R Jones
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 16, 2014, 06:25:48 PM
:phil :phil :phil
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 16, 2014, 06:49:42 PM
Started reading this book, The Martian. It's about an astronaut that gets stranded on Mars after a series of accidents. The book looks to be a diary of sorts, documenting his last days on the planet.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 16, 2014, 07:30:44 PM
I've heard very good things about that book. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 17, 2014, 07:07:18 PM
I've heard very good things about that book.

the tone is a bit weird. the guy you're following is a cynical everyman and the dichotomy between his technical assessments and the blunt nature of his 'narration" is a bit jarring.

also, I kinda am sick of the "this is a diary of events" trope. it means that we never get to 'see' events as they happen. it's always describing things that have happened. i prefer the former.

but as it stands, i am enjoying it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on February 25, 2014, 10:51:18 AM
/Film is reporting that Drew Goddard (writer of Cloverfield and director of The Cabin in the Woods) is in talks to do a film adaptation of Andy Weir’s new book The Martian. Goddard will write the screenplay about a man who is stranded on Mars, left for dead by the other people on his crew, who subsequently tries to find a way to get back home.

so it at least sounds like it's in good hands
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2014, 11:01:34 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51jCgVg9P5L.jpg)

Read this collection, and now I'm on to...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qIlKdFwxL.jpg)

I read this guy's other book, Those Across the River, which felt like too much build up and not enough payoff, but I've heard this one is better.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 25, 2014, 11:59:29 AM
Between Two Fires is pretty fantastic.

Also, The Martian gets a lot better as it starts to expand on the story. It moved beyond just the "diary" nature and adds more characters and methods of storytelling.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 25, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Earlier (wayyyy earlier) in this thread, I posted my disappointment in the Jim Butcher Storm Front novel, and someone posited that urban fiction is a stronghold of racist chauvinists. I thought that was a bit strongly worded, but now I'm reading Larry Correia's Monster Hunter Vengeance, which was a $1 download from Audible. He's using a mixed racial background as his protagonist, so I've been cutting him some slack, but between the strong gun-nut/anti-government/libertarian tones and now a pack of "urban" garden gnomes who ape black culture as comic relief, I'm finally seeing the pattern.

Is this really that common a theme?

How is it that it carries through the genre?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 08, 2014, 12:35:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/qoT8rzP.jpg)

It's funny, because in the Ramsey Campbell anthology I just finished reading, in the introduction he poo-poo'ed his early mythos stories as being the product of a young author that hadn't found his own voice yet, that it was easier to just ape someone else's style that to find your own, but he'd matured beyond all that now. Then we have this anthology, 13 years later (Dark Companions was released in 1982, Made in Goatswood was released in 1995) that has other authors using elements of Campbell's stories and style to ape Lovecraft. And Campbell blessed it by adding a new story of his own.

I guess everybody needs to eat, yo. :mouf
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on April 13, 2014, 08:15:05 PM
Earlier (wayyyy earlier) in this thread, I posted my disappointment in the Jim Butcher Storm Front novel, and someone posited that urban fiction is a stronghold of racist chauvinists. I thought that was a bit strongly worded, but now I'm reading Larry Correia's Monster Hunter Vengeance, which was a $1 download from Audible. He's using a mixed racial background as his protagonist, so I've been cutting him some slack, but between the strong gun-nut/anti-government/libertarian tones and now a pack of "urban" garden gnomes who ape black culture as comic relief, I'm finally seeing the pattern.

Is this really that common a theme?

How is it that it carries through the genre?

I gave up on Monster Hunter Vendetta. Just really annoying and, after posting my thoughts elsewhere, also got a hit from Charlie Stross, author of one of my favorite modern fantasy novels, The Family Trade series. He mentioned that I should check the source, read up on the author. After 5 minutes of reading Correia's blog, I realized that he wrote himself specifically into a power fantasy with the MHI books, is a line-by-line response troll worth of UseNet's heyday, and has a Libertarian bent so strong that I can't step over it.

In other news, I read Steakley's Armor, and was really surprised that I'd never read it before, nor heard much about it. It's the other side of the coin to Heinlein's Starship Troopers. Both books are about armored troopers fighting bugs in an interstellar war, but focuses more on the psychological effects of combat on an individual, and how it is impossible to defend one's self from what one actually is. Amazing book.

Just started Red Country by Joe Abercrombie. I'm surprised to find it is a sort-of sequel to In Cold Blood, but also happy to see some of my favorite characters from that book return.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2014, 08:28:54 PM
Armor is really fucking good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on April 16, 2014, 02:27:45 AM
Armor is really fucking good.

Yeah, I'm kind of surprised how great it was. It also had one of those "Oh, holy shit" moments that made me exclaim it out loud.

There's also something strange about the prose, like it's a '60s or '50s science fiction story, though it was written in '83 or '84.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2014, 06:17:59 AM
reading Operation Paperclip, a massive history about Nazi scientists being smuggled to the Americas

did you know that Nazis were jerks?!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on April 16, 2014, 08:01:18 PM
Got the e-book (Armor), starting on it now. Loved The Forever War, aside from the homophobic stuff. Never actually read Starship Troopers, but I liked the movie.

The movie Starship Troopers is closer to Armor than it is to Heinlein's novel. It's a criticism of the military, where ST is more of a rationalization of a fascist military society.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 18, 2014, 09:05:20 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/rTGRdjn.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/mIEcumE.png)

Okay, I'm allllmost burnt out, but not quite. I think I've got one or two more anthologies in me before I have to move on.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on April 18, 2014, 09:41:57 AM
reading Operation Paperclip is fascinating.  I knew the broad outlines, but it's amazing just how OK we were with what went down during the war.  Sure, individual people were outraged, but on the whole, the American gov't didn't really seem to have a problem with taking literally mass murderers under its wing.

also, the post war entitlement of Nazi commanders is straight up amazing.  the chapters on their interrogations are just crazy pants.  they essentially figured that they were immune to any sort of prosecution so they'd spend their time blabbing.

nazis. total jerks
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 23, 2014, 06:07:53 PM
attention Joe

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IC7C3G2

spoiled for size
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“From the wells of night to the gulfs of space, ever praise and abundance to the Black Goat of the Woods. Iä! Shub-Niggurath! The Goat with a Thousand Young!”

With this prayer in the ‘The Whisperer In Darkness’, Lovecraft introduced the world to the mighty and terrible Shub-Niggurath, the fertility deity of his then-fledgling Cthulhu Mythos. A being of primal lusts, overwhelming fecundity, and soul-blasting horror, the Black Goat is regularly invoked, entreated, and mentioned in furtive whispers within the pages of most Mythos fiction. And yet, for all that she is a cornerstone of the Mythos, readers encounter her rarely.

Now, with ‘Conqueror Womb: Lusty Tales of Shub-Niggurath’, Martian Migraine Press and editors Justine Geoffrey and Scott R Jones bring you 18 pulpy tales of fertility and fear, hot sex and chilling sacrifice! Stories that squelch, tales that both titillate and terrify, from some of the best writers working in Lovecraftian horror and mind-bending erotica today: Wilum H. Pugmire, Molly Tanzer, Don Webb, Christine Morgan, Kenton Hall, Brian M. Sammons, Jacqueline Sweet, Copper Sloane Levy, Annabeth Leong, and Christopher Slatsky, along with fresh new voices.

From nighted glades where frenzied orgiasts work unholy magic to slick urban dungeons of unbridled pleasure; from fertility clinics to fevered dance clubs; from the misty depths of the past to the unthinkable future, join us as we offer praise and abundance! Iä! Shub-Niggurath!

Table of Contents...
This Human Form – Lyndsey Holder
That Hideous Thing – Ran Cartwright
Unsatisfied – Brian M. Sammons
Mater Annelida – Victoria Dalpe
The Potboiler Sigil – Luke R. J. Maynard
All This For the Greater Glory of the 7th and 329th Children of the Black Goat of the Woods – Molly Tanzer
Babymama – Kenton Hall
Our Child – Annabeth Leong
Boy – Don Webb
Pieces (2) for String Octet – Copper Sloane Levy
The Whisperer in the Vagina – Shon Richards
Obsidian Capra Aegagrus – Christopher Slatsky
Dirtymag – Jonas Moth
With Honey Dripping – Christine Morgan
In the Down Deep Down – Jacqueline Sweet
The Scarlet Scripture – Ambrosius Grimes
Within Your Unholy Pit of Shoggoths – Wilum H. Pugmire
Blossom – Rose Banks
The Conqueror Womb: Parsing Shub-Niggurath (essay) – Scott R Jones

Read dis. It was pretty good. Lots of orfices being violated by giant goat cocks, as one would expect, but the editor did a good job of mixinging it up. I especially enjoyed the cute change-of-pace story about the sentient dildo.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2014, 01:32:37 AM
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7043/6887344995_0387b0320f_z.jpg)

Was okay, it's basically a book about how Reagan was doing stuff and Thatcher was continually pissed off. The main interesting parts are really less about them and more about the various staffs. Though since all the sources are Thatcher's staff it's mostly about how terrible and naive the Reagan Administration was. And how great the Falklands War is and how horrible Grenada was and how dangerous it was for Reagan to try and negotiate with the Soviets on reducing nuclear arms. And then the book skips ahead and the Cold War is over and Thatcher doesn't like Bush and then it ends.

(http://www.tantor.com/BookImage/1870_PatchworkNation_D.jpg)

Kinda meh, not a huge fan of the NPR style human interest story framing. "We're here in Podunk, Iowa where Thomas Allen local furniture maker looks down the road at the new Taco Bell opening. 'You can tell things are changing' he says before turning back to sandpaper his newly built chair."

(http://img1.imagesbn.com/p/9781250058690_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG)

This is the best of the three, though I'm not finished with it yet and the author sucks off Holmes a little too much. You don't need to start every chapter with a reminder that Holmes was the most brilliant man ever and got shot three times in the Civil War and walked to work every day and no argument could get past him.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on May 03, 2014, 10:00:34 PM
Just finished Joe Abercrombie's Red Country. I enjoyed it much, much more than Best Served Cold, which was my first novel by this author. Several characters from the latter appear in it, and they're welcome additions, but they're thankfully largely ancillary. It's like... okay, pardon me for nerding out here, but it's like being in an RPG and having the DM bring back the group's previous characters as adversaries. Or at least opposing forces.

This book had a similarly dark feeling to the Best Served Cold, but the characters were more likable and there were more chances to laugh. It was enjoyable to watch the way various stories intertwined, and how the various coincidences worked out (or didn't) for all the parties involved.
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I was sad but satisfied with Nicomo Cosca's death. After BSC, I was wondering if the guy was actually secretly immortal, either a god or under the laughing protection of a higher being, kept around for entertainment value.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Raban on May 04, 2014, 12:32:21 AM
this
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Franzen is one of my favorite authors so I decided to grab this from my local library and it's a nice enough read. A few of the longer stories in it are basically the "deleted scenes" from articles he's written in various magazines and papers, while others are his earnest musings about things like beginner writers, his friendship with David Foster Wallace, his technophobia, and his perspective on 9/11. It often gets personal to the point that I feel like anyone short of a huge fan of his would be turned off, but I'm enjoying it as a rather one-sided conversation with the guy. It's surprisingly given me a little motivation to write more than just forum posts.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Barraco Barner on May 15, 2014, 11:50:04 AM
(http://bibliodaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Under-the-Skin-Cover.jpg)

Didn't see what all the fuss was over this.  Most over-hyped book I've read since White Teeth.

(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm100298000/homicide-david-simon-paperback-cover-art.jpg)

This one makes me want to go out and solve some murders.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on May 15, 2014, 04:32:10 PM
I've recently harnessed the power of The Goetia.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2014, 04:45:09 PM
I've recently harnessed the power of The Goetia.

Aleister Crowley lived into his 70's, so maybe you can hang in there too, breh.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2014, 05:04:24 PM
Homicide is stunning.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on May 15, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
I've recently harnessed the power of The Goetia.

Aleister Crowley lived into his 70's, so maybe you can hang in there too, breh.

I keep trying to summon

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(http://i.imgur.com/bBgmla4.jpg)
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but I keep getting

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on May 15, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
I've been listening to a heap of audiobooks while gardening and farming. Armor was an audiobook. Anne Hathaway's reading of The Wizard of Oz is pretty great. The collection of Vonnegut graduation speeches, If This Isn't Nice, What Is, not so much.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2014, 11:03:15 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KfKO8WqOL.jpg)

Mostly newish stuff, but it had this one really wild story from the 70's called Black as the Pit, From Pole to Pole about Frankenstein's Monster and the Hollow Earth Theory, taking place after the events of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, where the monster falls through a hole in the arctic, fights dinosaurs, get married, becomes a god, sails around on a raft, and ultimately pops back up through the other side of the world in Antarctica, where he inadvertantly releases the imprisoned shoggoths that destroy the last of the Elder Things' civilization (the aftermath of which was documented in At the Mountains of Madness).

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2014, 11:49:56 PM
Wut
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Post by: Barraco Barner on May 22, 2014, 08:39:35 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31lasDWk1iL.jpg)

Not scary at all and a lame ending. There were a couple of rad poltergeist rape scenes though.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41PplPT-ywL.jpg)

About halfway through this. It's what happens when your sources for 20 year old quotes are salesmen who want to remind you that they were 90's hotshot motherfuckers and totally said that shit.

Remember that one time you had a conversation? It doesn't matter what the nature of the conversation was or even who it was with, but long after the discussion has concluded, some golden zinger just comes to mind. And you think to yourself, "God, I wish I said that!"

This is the book for you.

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"Fine, fine," Fischer replied playfully. "Let's have an honest discussion. Rid yourself of the weight of that golden crown and I'll set aside this pesky jester's hat. What is it, specifically, that you'd like to know?"

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The merchant gave a gummy smile. "Perhaps one day we'll return to a place where the streets are paved with gold and all you need to succeed is a good idea, a strong work ethic, and some kind of boostraps. Or perhaps we'll continue to move in the opposite direction." The merchant pondered this for a second and then stood. "Personally, I like the place with the golden streets. And believe it or not, I like you, Mr. Kalinske. But my answer is no."
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on June 22, 2014, 03:59:26 PM
From the footnotes of the book I'm reading.

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13. Maupassant's archetype: The reference is to Maupassant's story, "An Idyll," in which a nursing mother shares a railway compartment with a hungry peasant boy. The breasts of the woman, who is traveling without her baby, swell up agonizingly, until the boy gratefully relieves her of her milk.

 :leon

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Barry Egan on June 24, 2014, 10:39:42 PM
More like Mupepe-ant's archetype amirite?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 24, 2014, 11:05:08 PM
You are right.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on June 25, 2014, 02:47:07 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Alone-With-Devil-Courtroom-Psychiatrist/dp/0553285203

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41r7iGCKrML._SL500_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Something of an oop classic of the genre. Despite how the cover makes it sound, it's not serial killer porn.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2014, 07:13:24 PM
This might be my favorite stage direction in the text of a play I've read.

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(ELZEVIR throws herself around PIERRE's neck and he kisses her staidly, conscious of his working-class dignity.)

 :ussrcry
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2014, 02:10:17 PM
Sarah Orne Jewett's prose is absolutely exquisite. :lawd
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 06:40:52 PM
Read this:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mEx59wM6L.jpg)

Reading this:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mJ0NbPMTL.jpg)

Same book really. Less violence and polemics in the second one so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2014, 02:04:12 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xgXuFzJOL.jpg)

Conservatives are poutraged over this book for casting St. Ronnie in a very dim light, so I figure it's probably pretty good.

So far what I've read is that the Nixon administration was really good at using POW's as political props to distract people from how shitty the Vietnam War was going, and then waited until after the election to declare "peace with honor", even though we were still bombing civvies down in Cambodia, but nobody wants to hear the truth, they want to hear what makes them feel good, and what makes Americans feel good is AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD, so instead of talking about dead Vietnamese children, here's a "victory" parade for the returning POW heroes and doesn't it feel good!

I can kinda see why conservatives might not be a fan.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 08, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HCQWy6h.jpg)
536 pages of fiction and non-fiction by KJ Parker. 
I hadn't read much of this so it's amazing, as expected.

since that book is huge, my commute time is spent with this

(http://i.imgur.com/5xeaqXE.jpg)
Elevator Pitch: Grant Morrison's Anti-Harry Potter or maybe Garth Ennis's Anti-Harry Potter.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 08, 2014, 04:20:32 PM
I like the first Lynch book.  It's a fantasy Heist book.  The second book kind of goes off the rails a bit.  I haven't read the 3rd one
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Reb on August 08, 2014, 04:33:20 PM
Did you guys already talk about amazon unlimited? Is the catalog worth the money?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2014, 04:57:57 PM
Since I read it as a tween I'd forgotten / didn't know at the time how bad the prose is in The Plague. At least the griefporn holds up. :lawd

On an amusing note, in some tangential narration a nameless background character makes reference to the homicide that takes place in The Stranger. The Camusverse is real brehs, it's canon!!!

Think I'm going to double down on the griefporn and finally read Life and Fate next.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2014, 05:42:54 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xgXuFzJOL.jpg)

Conservatives are poutraged over this book for casting St. Ronnie in a very dim light, so I figure it's probably pretty good.

So far what I've read is that the Nixon administration was really good at using POW's as political props to distract people from how shitty the Vietnam War was going, and then waited until after the election to declare "peace with honor", even though we were still bombing civvies down in Cambodia, but nobody wants to hear the truth, they want to hear what makes them feel good, and what makes Americans feel good is AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD, so instead of talking about dead Vietnamese children, here's a "victory" parade for the returning POW heroes and doesn't it feel good!

I can kinda see why conservatives might not be a fan.

BTW if you haven't read Nixonland do so breh. Amazing book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 08, 2014, 06:08:42 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xgXuFzJOL.jpg)

Conservatives are poutraged over this book for casting St. Ronnie in a very dim light, so I figure it's probably pretty good.

So far what I've read is that the Nixon administration was really good at using POW's as political props to distract people from how shitty the Vietnam War was going, and then waited until after the election to declare "peace with honor", even though we were still bombing civvies down in Cambodia, but nobody wants to hear the truth, they want to hear what makes them feel good, and what makes Americans feel good is AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD, so instead of talking about dead Vietnamese children, here's a "victory" parade for the returning POW heroes and doesn't it feel good!

I can kinda see why conservatives might not be a fan.

"poutraged" :dead

I actually loved and agreed with Nixonland so much I was questioning my critical thinking skills. Nobody should agree with the worldview of a book THAT much
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2014, 06:30:20 PM
Yeah, I'll probably have to check out Nixonland after this.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 08, 2014, 08:36:36 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FgcC7xc8L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
/"Out-dated," "pop history," yeah whatever, it's still a really well-written synthesis of the lead-up and outbreak of the war. It kind of sells itself as a wide, overarching view of the first month, but ~230 pages deep and it's obviously slanted towards the Belgian and French front and the pov's of the western Great Powers (so far, Belgium has more screen time than Austria-Hungary and Russia combined :heh). Started off slow but once it hits the rapid-fire mobilization passages it takes off. Side-note: Tuchman's sweeping generalizations of nationalities is lowkey the best thing so far. I dunno how many times she's referred to British indecisiveness and German inferiority complexes so far.

Also reading this:
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Goldsworthy has some clout among the general malaise of pop historians for being a little more academic than his colleagues, and indeed he's quick to point out to the reader every other paragraph that the sources he's pulling from in order to weave his narrative are a) secondary sources like Plutarch and Seutonius and/or b) written for very specific political audiences (Cicero, Caesar's Commentaries). It's very much a general overview, he spends ample amounts of space explaining the basic functions/structure of Roman political life, but at the same time compelling. If anything it's an interesting exercise in attempting to piece together objective information on a specific character who seems so ubiquitous yet we can never know anything concrete about.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 08, 2014, 08:49:17 PM
snip.
Camus' library is some A-tier #sadboy shit, compulsory reading for anyone who hates themselves and their lot in life.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2014, 10:09:20 PM
Camus' library is some A-tier #sadboy shit, compulsory reading for anyone who hates themselves and their lot in life.

I hate to re-read books I read as a child, but after reading something beautiful and feeling nothing I looked at my bookshelf, saw The Plague and thought, "Sheeeit, I hate myself and my lot in life, this is the perfect read right now." :lol

In the GAF thread I was only joking when I said I would LARP Joseph Grand, but #damnitstrue. :tocry

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At least I sent my letter before a brush with death and total, overpowering environmental despair. :jawalrus
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And got the coldest letter I've ever received from someone other than a debt collector in return. :fbm
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
This Reagan book is so :lawd

It's basically...

(http://i.imgur.com/RjEQ3yq.jpg?1)

:The Book
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on August 13, 2014, 05:52:19 AM
Good work hosting that pic on imgur instead of direct linking Wikipedia so only people who already know about Sorry, only registered users can see this content. Please Login or Register. can get the joke. :mynicca
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Post by: Rufus on August 13, 2014, 06:23:35 AM
Show off. (image search :rejoice)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Yulwei on August 13, 2014, 12:55:19 PM
I'm pretty ignorant about Spanish history so I picked this up the other day (http://i.imgur.com/RKIE0Y0.jpg) and started it this morning. Up-front look at the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1937. Extremely interesting and eye opening. Orwell had some balls.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2014, 01:03:51 PM
"If Eldridge Cleaver is allowed to teach our children, they may come home one night and slit our throats."
~Ronald Reagan

"Ronald Reagan is a punk, a sissy, and a coward and I challenge him to a duel to the death or until he says Uncle Eldridge. I give him the choice of weapons - a gun, a knife, a baseball bat, or marshmallows."
~Eldridge Cleaver

:lawd

The 60's must have been pretty awesome, except for the no videogames, no internet, and getting drafted into Vietnam.

It's sad reading about the shit going down in Ferguson now, and reading about "tough on crime" Reagan as California governor, escalating every campus protest into a military conflict between the forces of good and justice and the evil marxist, nazi students, and people just loving the shit out of him for doing it.  :fbm
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2014, 11:56:23 AM
Also, started reading this since it seemed topical.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518lS5g5o9L.jpg)

Starts out by asking whether cops are even constitutional. (Then answering "no, but we're stuck with them anyway")
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2014, 01:05:02 PM
Up-front look at the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1937. Extremely interesting and eye opening. Orwell had some balls.
My favorite part of that is how it's decided what brigade/army Orwell gets assigned to. And that's like the most important component in how his experience plays out.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: meeb on August 15, 2014, 07:25:25 PM
Why Religion is Natural and Science is Not

Just a random book that explores the cognitive differences between religion and science, without giving a value judgement to either. Basically it argues that appeals to agent causality are pretty natural and cross cultural. Whereas other than being sensitive to evidence and formulating hypotheses, science requires a lot of things that don't quite come as easy to humans.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Rufus on August 15, 2014, 07:31:56 PM
How does it define "natural"?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: meeb on August 15, 2014, 07:37:59 PM
How does it define "natural"?

Forms of cognition that are relatively unreflexive. Things that come easily to humans with little, if any work. Language use is an example. Humans learn spoken language without clear directed instruction. We can speak without thinking about it.

Humans also know from a young age (babies just a few months old) that solid objects can't phase through other solid objects. We know this without ever having to learn it formally or think about it.

There is a more detailed description of what the author means by natural in the book. But I am on mobile so I can't type it all out now.

Also worth noting that he talks only of popular religion. He argues theological study is not cognitively natural in the same way popular religion is. And by popular he doesn't mean number of followers but things like "if I pray to god hard enough he will fix my cancer" that aren't necessarily theologically sound (theology would argue prayer is to align your will with gods, not to beg for stuff).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Rufus on August 15, 2014, 07:47:28 PM
Satisfactory answer.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on August 15, 2014, 09:53:08 PM
Up-front look at the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1937. Extremely interesting and eye opening. Orwell had some balls.
My favorite part of that is how it's decided what brigade/army Orwell gets assigned to. And that's like the most important component in how his experience plays out.

My favorite part was when he went out of his way to talk about manana culture in Spain and thinking to myself, "Yup this is the fella who wrote an essay about brown people making him shoot a noble elephant while he was an agent of the British Empire."

Respect for volunteering and fighting in Spain doe.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: G The Resurrected on August 15, 2014, 11:49:05 PM
This is what's in progress for me.

I jump around from book/book series on a whim somedays. My current fave read is Year Zero, it's fun to read thus far.

(http://i.imgur.com/kZwMgGy.jpg?1)

I also have a few graphic novels/comics I've been reading. I've been really into Saga, it's like Heavy Metal but with a real story and good characters.
(http://i.imgur.com/G2QNzdI.jpg?1)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on August 16, 2014, 07:41:43 PM
That's a lot of Scalzi on deck. I try to keep my Scalzi paced out, because I like to not eat all my treats at once. I especially like the books he's had read by Wil Wheaton.

I have an Audible.com subscription, but I may cancel because I'm not able to keep up with the books I've bought so far.

I also find it surprising how much a narrator can influence my enjoyment of a book. Oliver Wyman is off my list of acceptable readers now, because he has a few reading quirks which are really annoying to me, a limited set of voices for character types, and now I keep associating him with Larry Correia's work, and there's only so much fantasy I can deal with: government-sponsored werewolf hunters? Sure. Libertarian gun porn? No, thanks.

On the other hand, Tim Curry and Alan Rickman have read a few things for them, and those have been luscious.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on August 16, 2014, 08:04:28 PM
I have an Audible.com subscription, but I may cancel because I'm not able to keep up with the books I've bought so far.

I also find it surprising how much a narrator can influence my enjoyment of a book. Oliver Wyman is off my list of acceptable readers now, because he has a few reading quirks which are really annoying to me, a limited set of voices for character types, and now I keep associating him with Larry Correia's work, and there's only so much fantasy I can deal with: government-sponsored werewolf hunters? Sure. Libertarian gun porn? No, thanks.

On the other hand, Tim Curry and Alan Rickman have read a few things for them, and those have been luscious.

I listen to enough Black Library Audio (:snoop self-assessed L brehs) to run into this too. The full audio books can get downright ghastly with the voice work if the cast is too large (which they can often be in 40K shit).

They're handling multiple characters a lot better now at least, they even get multiple readers on more than the rare occasion. (Hearing Amberley Vail's voice. :lawd)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: octopushover on August 16, 2014, 08:09:11 PM
Juggling between Vonnegut's Galapagos and Jason Priestley's memoirs.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 16, 2014, 09:28:28 PM
Just finished Greg Rucka's Alpha which is Die Hard in Disney World. It was an ok summer read. Nothing mind blowing but it only took like two hours to read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 16, 2014, 10:03:34 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xgXuFzJOL.jpg)

Conservatives are poutraged over this book for casting St. Ronnie in a very dim light, so I figure it's probably pretty good.

So far what I've read is that the Nixon administration was really good at using POW's as political props to distract people from how shitty the Vietnam War was going, and then waited until after the election to declare "peace with honor", even though we were still bombing civvies down in Cambodia, but nobody wants to hear the truth, they want to hear what makes them feel good, and what makes Americans feel good is AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD, so instead of talking about dead Vietnamese children, here's a "victory" parade for the returning POW heroes and doesn't it feel good!

I can kinda see why conservatives might not be a fan.

I just finished this.  It is a great read but I found it inferior to Nixonland.  Which isn't a criticism against the book but Nixonland was so good and it perfectly captured the changing political environment in a way that I haven't found in any other book.  The Invisible Bridge tries to do the same thing but seems to be incomplete.  While Perlstein went really deep into Nixon for Nixonland, it seems like Reagan only got a surface level treatment by comparison, which I think does the book a disservice.  The book's strength, like Nixonland, is that is it very objective.  There is no real slant and I think Perlstein goes to great lengths to make sure that the book is as factual as possible.

I will probably check out the first book in the trilogy about Goldwater.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2014, 04:50:13 PM
Good work hosting that pic on imgur instead of direct linking Wikipedia so only people who already know about Sorry, only registered users can see this content. Please Login or Register. can get the joke. :mynicca

the little things
:dead
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Robo on August 19, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
I'm reading Don Quixote which is about the ingenious Spanish gangster who introduced wind turbine power to the kingdom of La Mancha in the 1600s after his father collapses in the family garden.  His older brother, Sancho, upset that he was not favored as his father's successor, attempts to convince him that his quixotic ideas are simply fantasy in a plot to gain control of the governorship of the family insula.  It's good, I like it!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2014, 12:10:50 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xgXuFzJOL.jpg)

Conservatives are poutraged over this book for casting St. Ronnie in a very dim light, so I figure it's probably pretty good.

So far what I've read is that the Nixon administration was really good at using POW's as political props to distract people from how shitty the Vietnam War was going, and then waited until after the election to declare "peace with honor", even though we were still bombing civvies down in Cambodia, but nobody wants to hear the truth, they want to hear what makes them feel good, and what makes Americans feel good is AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD, so instead of talking about dead Vietnamese children, here's a "victory" parade for the returning POW heroes and doesn't it feel good!

I can kinda see why conservatives might not be a fan.

I just finished this.  It is a great read but I found it inferior to Nixonland.  Which isn't a criticism against the book but Nixonland was so good and it perfectly captured the changing political environment in a way that I haven't found in any other book.  The Invisible Bridge tries to do the same thing but seems to be incomplete.  While Perlstein went really deep into Nixon for Nixonland, it seems like Reagan only got a surface level treatment by comparison, which I think does the book a disservice.  The book's strength, like Nixonland, is that is it very objective.  There is no real slant and I think Perlstein goes to great lengths to make sure that the book is as factual as possible.

I will probably check out the first book in the trilogy about Goldwater.

Couldn't be argued that Reagan was a significantly less complex character than Nixon? I haven't read The Invisible Bridge but I'm not surprised that it only offers a surface look at such a vapid man. Whereas Nixon is like a multi-layered character from a great piece of literature.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Reb on August 19, 2014, 02:17:19 PM
I'm reading John Scalzi's Old Man's War, which is enjoyable, but not great.
And just started in Chuck Palahniuk's Choke, I'm not sure what to think of it yet.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on August 20, 2014, 12:55:06 AM
I'm reading John Scalzi's Old Man's War, which is enjoyable, but not great.
And just started in Chuck Palahniuk's Choke, I'm not sure what to think of it yet.

Choke is worth the effort, but not as much of a grabber as some of Palahniuk's other work. The payoff/punchline and flawless literary structure alone are worth the effort.

As far as Old Man's War, I thought it was pretty great, particularly in a light, fun, Heinlein throwback way, but without the Heinlein baggage.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 21, 2014, 06:07:21 PM
Books came!
(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/This-is-so-Exciting-Pineapple-Express.gif)

(http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1320470983l/91017.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Prvbg17NL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

:bow Thematic continuity :bow2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 21, 2014, 06:18:59 PM
Ringworld was pretty good, but I never read any of the sequels.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 23, 2014, 10:36:38 AM
I finished Byron Crawford's new book, Kanye West Superstar.  Like Crawford, I've never been a big fan of Kanye.  He's always been lyrically shit and his beats are overrated but I could be biased because I couldn't fucking stand the chipmunk voices over overdone soul loops that he liked to do that plagued rap for 2003-2005.  I wouldn't say that I'm a hater, I just never gave much of a fuck about the man.  It's a hilarious book.  For those who haven't bothered reading his other books, the subject matter seems almost secondary to his other interests, which is looking at internet porn, high profile rappers like Jay-Z who are mere marionettes of Israelis, the hilarious tales of overhyped-by-Pitchfork backpack rappers, and working minimum wage jobs.  KWS, like his earlier book Nas Lost, goes through Kanye's history while primarily focusing on the aforementioned topics but still ties it together.  I recommend it.

Couldn't be argued that Reagan was a significantly less complex character than Nixon? I haven't read The Invisible Bridge but I'm not surprised that it only offers a surface look at such a vapid man. Whereas Nixon is like a multi-layered character from a great piece of literature.

Maybe but Nixonland works well because he gives such an in depth look at Nixon that you understand why he did the things he did.  Not sure if Perlstein will write another book about Reagan so maybe we'll see more gaps filled in then, I don't know.  It's not a bad book but Nixonland remains to be the best.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 23, 2014, 10:54:49 AM
just finished Gone Girl, the Girl w/ the Dragon Tattoo of last year.  It was pretty good.  I'm curious to see what they've changed for the film.  This book has it all if you're a misogynist OR a misandrist.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on August 25, 2014, 09:18:16 AM
for Joe.

someone takes the Cthulhu mythos and has turned it into a tongue in cheek kinda sorta spiritual self help book

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J4EOLPI

Yog-Sothoth … Nyarlathotep … Shub-Niggurath … CTHULHU. The Great Old Ones: hideous monster-gods from beyond Time and Space. Ancient, eldritch horrors that populate the pantheon of weird-fiction writer Howard Phillips Lovecraft’s increasingly popular milieu, his so-called Cthulhu Mythos. Some claim that they are merely fiction, while others have convinced themselves that Lovecraft somehow intuited their objective existence. When faced with the weird, chimerical potency of the Great Old Ones, whether they are approached through fiction, magical practice, or, say, a table-top role-playing game, neither viewpoint really seems to satisfy. The Great Old Ones are protean, nebulous, unimaginable… and impressively persistent in their psychological and spiritual presence.

In "When The Stars Are Right: Towards An Authentic R’lyehian Spirituality", author Scott R Jones deftly breaks down the barriers between the rational and the irrational, between the bright logic of our daytime intellect and the fearful non-Euclidean symmetries of our darkest dreams. In the process, the truth of the Great Old Ones is revealed in all its cosmic resonance.

Beyond reason… beyond madness… beyond the unspeakable… lies the Black Gnosis: a new mode of being, a spirituality that anticipates a new appreciation of humanity’s place in an increasingly dire and indifferent cosmos. "When The Stars Are Right" asks the reader a simple question: “Are you keeping it R’lyeh?” The answers may surprise you.

"When The Stars Are Right: Towards An Authentic R’lyehian Spirituality" by Scott R Jones, with an introduction by Jordan Stratford '(Living Gnosticism: An Ancient Way of Knowing' and 'A Dictionary of Western Alchemy') and interior illustrations by Michael Lee Macdonald. Available in print and electronic book formats from Martian Migraine Press. Print editions may be ordered directly from MMP at martianmigrainepress.com
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2014, 09:24:16 AM
I'm too much of a Nas stan to read Crawford's book about him. Does he at least acknowledge that It Was Written is dope?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2014, 10:54:34 AM
for Joe.

someone takes the Cthulhu mythos and has turned it into a tongue in cheek kinda sorta spiritual self help book

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J4EOLPI

Sounds like just the thing to get my life right with Azathoth (http://kfor.com/2013/08/26/strange-monument-mysteriously-shows-up-in-front-of-paseo-area-restaurant/). :bow2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2014, 11:13:27 AM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books

Posting this because 2 books that I really enjoyed are in the $1 tier, Lois McMaster Bujold's The Curse of Chalion and Neil Gaiman's American Gods.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Groogrux on September 01, 2014, 07:46:34 PM
Has anyone tried Kindle Unlimited yet?  I'm just wondering if it's worth $9.99 a month.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 02, 2014, 06:45:45 AM
I finished Jurassic Park today, which was fantastic.

Next I'm gonna start One Second After which is about a town struggling after a nuke goes off in high atmo which results in an emp. I hear it's real good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 02, 2014, 07:59:25 PM
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/07/joe-abercrombie-trilogy-half-a-king

New YA trilogy from Abercrombie
:hyper
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 02, 2014, 08:34:56 PM
Ishmael Reed's Mumbo Jumbo.  Holy fuck this book gives me the same feelings i get when i first discovered Vonnegut. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on September 03, 2014, 04:26:03 AM
In retrospect, starting a Viktor Frankl book after watching an episode of Rectify wasn't my wisest moment.

His story about deciding to give up his U.S. visa and stay in Nazi Austria. :lawd

Wish I could relate. :fbm
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2014, 03:06:02 AM
Just got done with:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SYk6is6ZL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Cp1BxTldL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PzxE1pF7L.jpg)

Now moving into:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FoF7DSU7L.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GljUBHdGL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pcQVrTGQL.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 10, 2014, 07:37:34 AM
That Waston and Holmes book is grand.

I'm currently reading two things.  The most recent volume of Dark Lore came out.  It's an annual journal devoted to Fortean history and lore.  More of an examination of the history and sociological aspects of "why did people believe this stuff" rather than "HOLY SHIT BIGFOOT"  Every year is full of fascinating topics.s

The other thing I'm reading is called Kid Power from small Canadian press Spectacular Optical.  I would pretty much instantly recommend this to any "weird kid" from the 80s.  It's a book full of essays about fucked up kids' movies and television programming.  This is "deep cuts" shit so no fucking Thundercats.

http://www.spectacularoptical.ca/2014/02/spectacular-optical-book-one-kid-power-to-launch-this-summer/
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2014, 12:49:23 AM
If Sean Hannity read the first part of this Stockman book he'd blast it as a left-wing Marxist attack on American Capitalism. Guy goes so balls deep and not mucking around with words into AIG, Morgan Stanley, Goldman, etc. Bush Admin officials, Greenspan, etc.'s shenanigans and asshole behavior. One part he's like "conventional wisdom says only an idiot would have invested in AIG after looking at their corporate structure, thankfully Goldman Sachs and Paulson ignored conventional wisdom." And he starts off the book shitting on Gingrich, Bush, Reagan and Nixon. (And Friedman.)

I wonder if Megan McArdle's written a review.  :aah

Random line from the book:
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During 2009-2012 the vultures feasted gluttonously in the Fed’s killing fields.
:lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on September 12, 2014, 02:39:13 AM
Sounds like a stamocap analysis to me. (http://i.imgur.com/SzofHCB.png)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2014, 02:48:47 AM
Hey. Hey. We came up with the same idea first. You guys just got to name everything.

Stockman spends a whole section basically calling Jeff Immelt an asshole who was willing to destroy the market to protect his bonus.  :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on September 12, 2014, 02:58:39 AM
That's what happens when you leverage the power of states deformed workers' states. (http://i.imgur.com/SzofHCB.png)

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I always love the things that end up on either end of the spectrum (e.g. dual power) somehow. It either means it's right / an effective tactic, or ideologies preoccupied with human freedom secretly draw from the same well even though we wouldn't be caught dead together at the club.
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Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2014, 03:05:52 AM
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ideologies preoccupied with human freedom secretly draw from the same well even though we wouldn't be caught dead together at the club.
Or Marx gets them get kicked out like Bakunin. (http://i.imgur.com/SzofHCB.png)

I think it's true about the same well because there are some inherent underlying ideas, for example, ownership of labor and the rejection of "this is the way things are" as an explanation for anything that if you do away with the whole ideology crumbles.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on September 12, 2014, 03:18:03 AM
Or Marx gets them get kicked out like Bakunin. (http://i.imgur.com/SzofHCB.png)

IWA jokes. (http://i.imgur.com/jU7Svmy.png)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2014, 03:12:59 PM
...David Harsanyi?
http://www.amazon.com/Obamas-Four-Horsemen-Disasters-Reelection/dp/1621570673

:beli
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2014, 04:53:06 AM
Hmmm...that book has some pretty positive reviews on there, might have to look for it.

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You should know by now that I read lots of garbage. The Democracy book had about three good chapters before descending into madness.
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"This is not a book for the faint-hearted. In chilling detail, David Harsanyi exposes the brutal and bloody dangers looming ahead during Obama’s second term. Harsanyi outlines how the Nanny State progressive-in-chief has enabled the four horsemen of debt, dependency, national decline, and the culture of death. Yes, it is apocalyptic. No, it is not irreversible. Conservatives must pray, pick themselves up, and pull together to turn our country back from Obama’s highway to hell. America must heed Harsanyi’s prophetic work!"
—Michelle Malkin, New York Times bestselling author of Culture of Corruption

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I also read a Mark Levin book recently.  :shh

Also had about three good chapters before descending into greater madness.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 24, 2014, 01:29:50 AM
Finished reading Dr. Sleep, and it was super mediocre.  As someone who grew up and loved Stephen King horror stories (especially his short story anthologies), but hasn't read any of his stuff since his early 90s prime era...this was pretty disappointing.

It's a pretty thick, long novel for what essentially is a 300 page novel story.  The first half of the book is awful and dull.  Almost nothing happens for half of the damn book.  It just feels like filler as it's introducing the characters and watching how they slowly grow as time passes.  Then when the story actually starts halfway...it's a good action flick, but a short one and really safe that's over real quick without any big surprises.  So basically hundreds of pages of zzzz and then a few hundred pages of good popcorn thriller and then you're left wondering why you wasted time on reading it.

Not sure if King novels just aren't particularly good now that his way past his prime, or if this is just one of his weaker books in the last decade.  But definitely going to be hesitant to read any of his other post-2000 stuff since every book he writes is ridiculously long and Dr. Sleep was a book that was long for no good reason at all other than filler padding of a guy who needs an editor.


Now time to get into Yahtzee's books.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mr. Nobody on September 24, 2014, 02:08:04 AM
30% done with Storm of Swords

really good so far but I've been neglecting it for like 3 weeks  :goty2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
Storm of Swords
(http://i.imgur.com/HHDZVs5.png)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Squiddy on September 24, 2014, 11:22:22 PM
Read the Alien Sex anthology.
It was okay.
Now I'm reading the sequel.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2014, 12:12:51 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bAh%2BbfzGL.jpg)

I hated the structure of this so much, at times it was starting to talk about something then cut to random other event then cut to "joke" panels then cut to random strike so it really only barely touches on anything. Frame story sucks too.

That said, enjoy some sensible Amazon reviews:
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Thank you for giving me so much love for my country, June 5, 2014
By Chisholm - See all my reviews

I read this book for a Sociology class, and I can say that I have never read a book that I disliked this much. From the get-go, Howard Zinn’s, “A People's History of American Empire” carries a tone nothing short of disapproval towards America and its people. Zinn opens the prologue by going so far as to imply, or at least, agree with certain individuals, who say that the United States is “an empire of terrorists.” Yes, America has done horrible things for the sake of our nation—but so has every country. But Howard Zinn devotes every chapter to a past mistake of our country: the Wounded Knee Massacre of Indians, the “savior complex” of the soldiers fighting in the Spanish American War, the powerful money-making companies and their treatment of their workers, the treatment of blacks during wartimes, and the domination of the Philippines. Zinn poses his viewpoint in the most negative of lights. I had a hard time focusing the content after a while, because he was so blatantly portraying his opinions as facts. Furthemore, this book does not tell the story of an "empire", but rather, the story of minorities and other small groups of people. Zinn only focuses on fights between small groups of individuals. The poor vs. Robber Barons, himself, the civil rights activists, the poor people of Vietnam, American soldiers. There is no single America. This is a book solely describing the "battles" fought by and within America.

Also Zinn should change the title of this book from a "history" to "my opinions", because this book is jam-packed with bias and little jabs at America, the "terrorist nation". Zinn lets emotions guide this book far more than facts (I really need to see where he gets his information from, because half of these stories seem like they're relying on only one individual "witness"), and this is evidenced in the fact that he not only includes himself as narrator, but also as an activist, almost on the same page with MLK Jr.! He elevates his own "fight" against the American people. Then, in the way he portrays himself as narrator--single person on a stage, bright lights, podium, and cheering crowd--shows that he believes his ideas to be almost exalted. Overall, this book rubbed me the wrong way. If you want to read something to dampen your American patriotism feel free to read this book.
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If you're a communist, you'll love this book, January 10, 2014
By Ltb "ltb" (USA) - See all my reviews

Parents need to beware of the books their children are reading in history classes, because so much misinformation and so many lies are being disseminated in our public schools, which have become nothing more than indoctrination centers for socialism/liberalism/progressivism/communism. Zinn, in particular, is polluting the minds of American youth with trash like "A People's History of the United States," which is not so much history as it is one big piece of steaming pro-communist propaganda. If your child is required to read this book, complain loudly and complain continuously until your school removes it from its required reading list.
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A Simpleminded, Cynical & Very Angry Book, September 15, 2009
By Eliot (Palo Alto, CA. USA) - See all my reviews

There are three simple-indisputable-facts about Howard Zinn's book.

1) Jews appear only as big hearted victims.

2) Israel took not a single inch of Arab land.

3) Palestinians do not exist.

Zinn's many fans will explain away this simply enough. They will tell you that, although somewhat regrettable, American military aid for Israel is a minor issue. Although sad, the Israeli Palestinian conflict is not particularly significant or relevant to current events!

Is that what Howard Zinn and his loyal readers consider intellectual integrity? I wonder who the true racists really are.

Here are a few more questions to ponder as you read the book.

If the exploitation and enslavement of people of color is such an ingrained aspect of American culture why are so many people of color trying to enter America, and in some instances literally risking their lives to do so? Are we to assume that nonwhites are so lacking in intelligence that they are easy pray for the more sophisticated people of European decent?

If the views about class warfare Zinn expounds are really so blatantly obvious why are Zinn's political beliefs not more popular with working class Americans? Are we to assume that working class Americans, and those recently arrived in America, are the intellectual inferiors to the more established and affluent Americans and are thus easily taken advantage of and duped?

If, as Zinn maintains, America really did have advanced knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor and was responsible for our entry into World War II why doesn't Zinn side with the people who claim that 9/11 was an "inside job" engineered by the CIA? Is it possible that not all criticism of America is legitimate?

If America is really all about preserving the privileges of the rich and denying basic care for the working class why do we have a black President? A President who grew up without privilege and who has made public healthcare the focal point of his administration? Why was such an "un-American" man with such "un-American" views even elected President in the first place?
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Excellent format for teaching kids to HATE AMERICA, August 28, 2011
By Natalie Harper - See all my reviews

This comic book is interesting and fun to read. But MY GOD, is it anti-American. People here keep saying "truth", but it's truth from a slanted view. Each short story is strictly about the bad stuff America did. Nothing about the other side of things, nothing about the good stuff America did do, etc. Add to that graphic depictions of horror on people's faces and tragic dramatizations, and you've got a great book for convincing young people to hate their country.
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Can't Believe in Him Anymore, November 23, 2008
By Blue "lacestuff" (Seattle) - See all my reviews

After reading that Howard Zinn does not think it is important to investigate 9/11, I will have nothing more to do with him. I don't care how renowned he is. If he doesn't think it's important to stop the false flag operations that have gone on for many, many decades that have thrust us into wars that were instigated by interested 3rd party investors to cash in on the vast fortunes made when they finance both sides of a war, then he will get no support from me. Wake up people! Aren't you tired of being played like a puppet on a string. Watch "JFKII: The Bush Connection" and "Empire of the City: Ring of Power" on YouTube.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on September 26, 2014, 12:56:21 PM
Howard Zinn pls why are you diluting your premier brand like this.
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Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2014, 01:59:37 PM
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Zinn worked as the series editor for a series of books under the A People's History label. This series expands upon the issues and historic events covered in A People's History of the United States by giving them in-depth coverage, and also covers the history of parts of the world outside the United States. These books include:

A People's History of the Supreme Court by Peter Irons with Foreword by Zinn
A People's History of Sports in the United States by Dave Zirin with an introduction by Howard Zinn
A People's History of American Empire (American Empire Project) by Howard Zinn, Mike Konopacki, and Paul Buhle
The Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World by Vijay Prashad
A People's History of the American Revolution by Ray Raphael
A People's History of the Civil War by David Williams
A People's History of the Vietnam War by Jonathan Neale
The Mexican Revolution: A People's History by Adolfo Gilly
A People's History of Australia from 1788 to the Present edited by Verity Burgmann. A four-volume series that looks at Australian history thematically, not chronologically.
A People's History of Science: Miners, Midwives, and Low Mechanicks by Clifford D Connor.
A People's History of the World by Chris Harman. It is endorsed by Zinn.
A People's History of Christianity by Diana Butler Bass.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2014, 03:14:07 PM
If you were a communist, you'd love that book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 26, 2014, 07:57:07 PM
The Moor's Account - a fictional telling of a failed Spanish conquistador's expedition to the new world.  I'm only about 79 pages in so I can't quite comment on it other than I'm enjoying it quite a bit.  It's very violent and has no quotation marks so it can start to feel a bit Meridiano de Sangre at times.  We're told at the outset that the story will be primarily about 3 survivors, so there's a lot of dread as we wait for these people to start dying by disease, accident, crocodile or native americans
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on September 29, 2014, 09:30:14 AM
attention readers.

Subterranean Press is currently having a sale on their ebooks.  Everything is $3 or less.  This includes all of the Thomas Ligotti editions, the giant collection from KJ Parker, a handful of Joe Lansdale novellas and a 700 page Jack Vance collection.  You have to click "Purchase at Gumroad" to get the lower price.  Sale lasts until tomorrow.

http://subterraneanpress.com/store/ebooks
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2014, 03:34:45 PM
I read Gone Girl last week and The Ocean at the End of the Lane this week.

Just started:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IVdUc524L.jpg)

I picked it up without knowing anything about the plot, but it seems pretty cool so far. It starts out with this teenage girl having a fight with her mom and running away from home, and then for reasons unknown, getting caught up in some kind of behind-the-scenes mage war. Just another day in Thatcher's England, I guess.
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Post by: Eric P on October 09, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4JfXe5i.jpg)

fuck the south.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on October 13, 2014, 08:45:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JkhnmII.jpg)

the above book was crushing my soul to death, so I needed something radically different to break up the stories of murder.  (TNSWGYK takes place linearly so the front half is all white people murdering black people, black people get guns to try to protect themselves, white people go absolutely apeshit and murder a lot more people).

This book is part cultural explainer, part memoir, and part history of Korean pop culture.  It's fascinating to read about how direct government involvement basically gave rise to Korean pop culture through heavy investment in film, television and music in the form of damn near free money.

The explainer parts (please understand!)  detailing things such as han (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_%28cultural%29) really helped contextualize why so many Korean films are about extreme melodrama and revenge.

if you watch a lot of Korean cinema this book may be very entertaining and informative.  The tone is light-hearted and you'll cringe when you read the school stories.
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Post by: Eric P on October 13, 2014, 09:44:17 AM
attn: Joe.

(http://i.imgur.com/lduoA1w.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2014, 11:25:30 AM
A+++ title pun, would eldritch again
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Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 08:52:58 PM
If you haven't read them, I also suggest you check out his short stories.

The Overcoat :aah
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Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 01:19:52 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41dsRDV%2B29L.jpg)
Talk about poppin boners over Chief Justice Hughes brehs (the other recent book on this topic (http://www.amazon.com/FDR-Chief-Justice-Hughes-President/dp/1416573283/) is even worse)

Now onto some feel good material:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RtfHfXV9L.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AYhtSg1XL.jpg)

Also:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yHDd%2Bp4NL.jpg)

Which spawned this:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/ronald-radosh/mccarthy-on-steroids/
http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2013/08/07/why-i-wrote-a-take-down-of-diana-wests-awful-book/
And caused David fucking Horowitz of all people to take down a positive review off Frontpage.

Apparently it's split conservative historians like mad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_West#American_Betrayal
And she wrote this in response:
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ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY FROM THE BLOGOSPHERE :rofl


Saw that Reagan book mentioned a couple pages back but apparently it's part of a trilogy? So I passed it up since they didn't have Nixonland or the other.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 01:25:24 AM
That McCarthy mention reminded me, since I said something similar on GAF recently, why do people always run to McCarthyism? It seriously wasn't that bad compared to the fucking Red Scare which happened all over the West, imprisoning immigrants, the underclass, writers, union leaders, etc.

But a few actors get blacklisted (mainly from HUAC, not McCarthy even) and it's like the worst thing to ever happen in America.

And yes, I know this post answers my own question.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on October 16, 2014, 01:28:33 AM
That McCarthy mention reminded me, since I said something similar on GAF recently, why do people always run to McCarthyism? It seriously wasn't that bad compared to the fucking Red Scare which happened all over the West, imprisoning immigrants, the underclass, writers, union leaders, etc.

But a few actors get blacklisted (mainly from HUAC, not McCarthy even) and it's like the worst thing to ever happen in America.

Do you think the social liberal intelligentsia cares about immigrants, proletarians, anti-establishment writers or union leaders (in particular, industrial or socialist ones)?

:bow Brecht DA GOD. :bow2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjGOWGQwUMM
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Post by: Eric P on October 16, 2014, 06:54:20 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AYhtSg1XL.jpg)


really liked iron curtain when i read it a bit ago.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2014, 08:14:31 AM
Talk about poppin boners over Chief Justice Hughes brehs (the other recent book on this topic (http://www.amazon.com/FDR-Chief-Justice-Hughes-President/dp/1416573283/) is even worse)

But that mustache doe :drool
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2014, 03:23:11 AM
I wonder how many reviews of Sleepwalkers used the obvious putdown. The first third of the book feels like a day by day history of Serbia between 1901 and Franz Ferdinand's shooting. After that it involves the rest of Europe but I feel like I've read this whole "diplomats were dicks so they fucked things up" version before. Iron Curtain makes me wish there was a Democracy/Civ hybrid that let me do the things that happened during this like try and reform Communism and then be crushed and/or crush the revisionists with tanks. With FPS multiplayer obviously.

Saw this by accident, Library has e-book available so I guess I gotta read it now or get kicked out of the club*:
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James Scott taught us what's wrong with seeing like a state. Now, in his most accessible and personal book to date, the acclaimed social scientist makes the case for seeing like an anarchist. Inspired by the core anarchist faith in the possibilities of voluntary cooperation without hierarchy, Two Cheers for Anarchism is an engaging, high-spirited, and often very funny defense of an anarchist way of seeing--one that provides a unique and powerful perspective on everything from everyday social and political interactions to mass protests and revolutions. Through a wide-ranging series of memorable anecdotes and examples, the book describes an anarchist sensibility that celebrates the local knowledge, common sense, and creativity of ordinary people. The result is a kind of handbook on constructive anarchism that challenges us to radically reconsider the value of hierarchy in public and private life, from schools and workplaces to retirement homes and government itself.

Beginning with what Scott calls "the law of anarchist calisthenics," an argument for law-breaking inspired by an East German pedestrian crossing, each chapter opens with a story that captures an essential anarchist truth. In the course of telling these stories, Scott touches on a wide variety of subjects: public disorder and riots, desertion, poaching, vernacular knowledge, assembly-line production, globalization, the petty bourgeoisie, school testing, playgrounds, and the practice of historical explanation.

Far from a dogmatic manifesto, Two Cheers for Anarchism celebrates the anarchist confidence in the inventiveness and judgment of people who are free to exercise their creative and moral capacities.

The Cato Unbound about this earlier book is probably a bit more interesting than the book itself to someone like me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_Like_a_State
Plus apparently I can just get a strategy guide for it:
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John D. Eigenauer wrote a 5,500-word summary of the book in 2004, available online

*Plus the fact that the last thing I read on my Kindle was that Justice League Mortal script like six months ago and have just used it for games and watching Firing Line/Star Trek makes me feel like I'm violating the spirit.
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 22, 2014, 10:30:10 AM
Alright, this is getting ridiculous. I've been 28% done with Storm of Swords for the past few weeks and I no longer have an excuse to not devote some free time to it.

I'm gonna continue reading.....tomorrow  :-\
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Post by: Kara on October 22, 2014, 09:06:32 PM
benji I p. much always love your book posts. :dead
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Post by: Eric P on October 23, 2014, 12:22:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/jplwnVQ.jpg)

damn, yo.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2014, 12:30:42 AM
A spectre is haunting America -- the spectre of Capitalism.
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Post by: Kara on October 23, 2014, 12:31:20 AM
But I thought the spectre haunting Europe was communism. (http://i.imgur.com/8bqLDM9.png)

e: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU JOE
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Post by: Eric P on October 23, 2014, 12:35:56 AM
well the book is about India so....

Also, Joe, I bought Necronomicum...
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Post by: chronovore on October 25, 2014, 11:31:30 AM
Gibson’s new book, The Peripheral launches soon.

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/10/william-gibson-peripheral-vision-time-travel-interview
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MJ: If you could time-travel, which era would you most want to visit?

WG: If could have any information from our future, I would want to know not what they're doing but what they think about us. Because what we think about Victorians is nothing like what the Victorians thought about themselves. It would be a nightmare for them. Everything they thought they were, we think is a joke. And everything that we think was cool about them, they weren't even aware of. I'm sure that the future will view us in exactly that way.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 25, 2014, 04:03:57 PM
re-reading jane eyre.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 25, 2014, 06:10:28 PM
Books came!
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Second one'll be here next business day (presumably). In the meantime I'll have to amuse myself w/ ecclesiastical shenanigans :lawd.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
and finishing up my last two books because I haven't finished them because I'm an awful human being :stahp
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Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 09:21:08 AM
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(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vWFoLX%2BEL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51cqYgpOfUL.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on October 30, 2014, 09:44:59 AM
I was reading some heavy stuff recently and am about to delve into a book about how slavery propped up (and thus continues to prop up) American capitalism, so I'm taking a light detour through some absolute crap.  I'm reading a book called Bird Box which sounded interesting in review, but the book it actually kind of crap, but it reads fast and is acting a spacing between my series of books on the evils of racism.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 01:57:42 PM
I was reading some heavy stuff recently and am about to delve into a book about how slavery propped up (and thus continues to prop up) American capitalism, so I'm taking a light detour through some absolute crap.  I'm reading a book called Bird Box which sounded interesting in review, but the book it actually kind of crap, but it reads fast and is acting a spacing between my series of books on the evils of racism.

you gonna give us a book title breh? damn.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 02:00:07 PM
Might be the one The Economist wrote a controversial review about: http://www.amazon.com/The-Half-Never-Been-Told/dp/046500296X

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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2014, 02:12:07 PM
I was reading some heavy stuff recently and am about to delve into a book about how slavery propped up (and thus continues to prop up) American capitalism, so I'm taking a light detour through some absolute crap.  I'm reading a book called Bird Box which sounded interesting in review, but the book it actually kind of crap, but it reads fast and is acting a spacing between my series of books on the evils of racism.

This argument never held any water for me. American Capitalism was basically born and thrived most in the free states. The South was a backward agrarian buttfuck backwater.
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Post by: Steve Contra on October 30, 2014, 02:50:24 PM
Amity Shlaes :kobeyuck
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2014, 03:18:49 PM
I was reading some heavy stuff recently and am about to delve into a book about how slavery propped up (and thus continues to prop up) American capitalism, so I'm taking a light detour through some absolute crap.  I'm reading a book called Bird Box which sounded interesting in review, but the book it actually kind of crap, but it reads fast and is acting a spacing between my series of books on the evils of racism.

This argument never held any water for me. American Capitalism was basically born and thrived most in the free states. The South was a backward agrarian buttfuck backwater.

I wonder who profited in keeping it that way.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 03:21:31 PM
Actually the south was rolling in dough. How the money was spent is another issue.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2014, 03:26:35 PM
GDP per (non-slave) capita in the South was like half of what it was in the North...
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Post by: Eric P on October 30, 2014, 03:45:38 PM
Yeah sorry it is indeed The Half Has Never Been Told
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Post by: Kara on October 30, 2014, 04:21:07 PM
This argument never held any water for me. American Capitalism was basically born and thrived most in the free states. The South was a backward agrarian buttfuck backwater.

It is difficult to engage in primitive accumulation without your economy having a substantial sector that is what we would call peripheral in its character.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 30, 2014, 04:34:36 PM
Re-reading Naked Lunch, but probably about to detour into William Gibson’s new book, The Peripheral.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 05:01:07 PM
GDP per (non-slave) capita in the South was like half of what it was in the North...

:pacspit
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Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 05:06:07 PM
The Real Price of Owning a Slave in 2011 Dollars
(http://www.measuringworth.com/images/slavery/figure52.jpg)
Wealth Distribution 1860 - North vs. South
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As a group slaveholders were extremely wealthy in the South. Their average wealth in 1860 was $24,748, almost fourteen times greater than that of nonslaveholders ($1,781). They accounted for 26 percent of the white population in 1860 and they owned 93 percent of "agricultural wealth." Historians have emphasized the growing concentration of slaves in the possession of the largest slaveholders. John Boles pointed out that between 1850 and 1860 slaveholders with more than 20 slaves increased from 10 percent of the total slaveholding group to 12 percent. William J. Cooper and Thomas E. Terrill pointed out that these elite 12 percent owned 48 percent of the slaves in the South.
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Household wealth: The difference between slaveholders and nonslaveholders appears sharp, perhaps because slaves were counted as personal property and a part of overall household wealth. Almost 60 percent of the slaveholders were valued at more than $10,000 in household wealth, while nearly the same percentage of nonslaveholders were valued at less than $10,000. Other patterns, however, deserve attention. Some nonslaveholders managed to acquire significant wealth: 31.1 percent of them owned between $2,000 and $4,999; 28.1 percent owned between $5,000 and $9,999; 22.4 percent owned between $10,000 and $19,999; and 18.4 percent owned more than $20,000. We have routinely assumed that such large aggregations of wealth must represent the high valuations of personal property in slaves, but this data might make us look more closely at the kind of wealth and property that nonslaveholders accumulated. (Some of these points might be eventually connected to the slaveholders census and might change the data analysis) Other forms of wealth must have existed in greater concentration than expected. In particular, financial instruments, such as bonds and debt agreements, accounted for some individual's personal property wealth. In addition, large holdings of cash may also explain high figures for personal property. Widows with large cash holdings, town professionals--lawyers, merchants, even barbers--accumulated cash and other financial instruments as assets.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2014, 02:28:59 PM
Loaded Consumed onto my nook.

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on November 01, 2014, 08:42:45 AM
I have that checked out from the library but i have so many books out that i'm currently reading shit desperately before it has to be returned.  Currently reading The Troop which is Lord of the Flies meets the Ruin.  Boy scouts trapped on an island with an experimental diet drug that makes you super hungry

shit gon get weird
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Post by: TVC15 on November 01, 2014, 09:52:13 AM
Finishing

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Which is nice, but there's much material I've seen elsewhere. I think my goddamn year of going through occult and esoteric texts might be over. I know there's a ton of important Crowley shit but his bibliography is like a mile long and from what I read in his forward to The Goetia, I probably wouldn't be able to stomach reading much of him.

Anyway, I still have an assload of Stanislav Lem to get to that I bought on sale ages ago.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 02, 2014, 02:08:10 PM
30% done with Storm of Swords

really good so far but I've been neglecting it for like 3 weeks  :goty2

Finally continuing this

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The feeling of elation when Dany recieves her 8600 Unsullied and in turn betrays Kraznys by killing him and freeing the slaves only to be followed by the crushing depression of Sansa's rejection of Tyrion both during and after their forced marriage  :stahp
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2014, 11:11:10 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/Book_of_Blood_Omnibus%2C_Volumes_1-3.jpg)

I haven't read much Barker, but this seems like a good place to start. First story (well, first after the little intro story) was "Midnight Meat Train", which I'd seen the movie of and liked. Second story, "The Yattering and Jack" was about a guy trying his best to pretend he doesn't notice that a demon is haunting his house, and driving the demon nuts in the process. It was pretty good too, and reminded me of one of the few Barker books I have read, Mr. B Gone.

I need to cop The Hellbound Heart next.
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Post by: kick51 on December 02, 2014, 12:10:52 PM
The JG Ballard short story complete collection

great stuff so far, this is the first i've read of him. 
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Post by: Tasty on December 02, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/qAUjWxb.jpg)

Picked this up a while ago but just started reading it. On chapter 2 and it seems to alternate between the viewpoint of a villain who's the smartest dude ever, and some cyborg woman hero.

Decent writing so far and I like the idea. Not sure if I should be trying to keep track of the dozens of heroes/villains it keeps introducing so I'm just rolling with it. It's basically a comic book without the comic part, and split between the bad guy and good guy.
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Post by: Eric P on December 02, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
The Wallcreeper

this is like try-hard literature.  it combines a ton of references (Ketamine!, Berlin Drum and Bass clubs!) i should like but it just feels kind of flat and eh (like most lit fic).  it's a really short book (186 ppg) and it's taking me foooooooooorever to read (currently on page 80) because it's just so unengaging.

apparently Neil Gaiman loved it and Franzen blurbed it, so it's my own fault really.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2014, 02:57:28 PM
BTW, that Cronenberg novel was the most Cronenbergian thing Cronenberg has made since Naked Lunch.
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Post by: naff on December 02, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
Was reading the Wind-Up Bird Chronicle then stopped half way. Is it just me or is the translation not so good? My first Murakami, will probably go back to it, just a little whimsical for my tastes atm, though im about to go on summer holiday so i'll finish it then.

Currently:

(http://www.catspawdynamics.com/images/the_man_in_the_high_castle_putnamcover.jpg)

so far :bow2
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2014, 06:30:15 PM
Ya, that's a good-ass book.
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Post by: Kara on December 07, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
I was reading a bad book and got mad at it (or to be precise, it made me mad at myself) because I didn't realize it had just been a retelling of Xenophon's Anabasis until they got to the sea and the narrator literally exclaimed, "The sea!" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalatta!_Thalatta!) :comeon

The motley crew even started their journey in a desert and worked their way into the mountains. :snoop

Be familiar with ancient Greek writing brehs. :shaq2
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on December 07, 2014, 06:43:41 PM
Ancient Greek writing :mynicca
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 07, 2014, 06:44:54 PM
I finally started reading The Gentleman Bastard series. I give it a 4 out of 5 so far, or 6 George RR Martins out of 5.

:jawalrus
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
I was reading a bad book and got mad at it (or to be precise, it made me mad at myself) because I didn't realize it had just been a retelling of Xenophon's Anabasis until they got to the sea and the narrator literally exclaimed, "The sea!" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalatta!_Thalatta!) :comeon

They motley crew even started their journey in a desert and worked their way into the mountains. :snoop

Be familiar with ancient Greek writing brehs. :shaq2

Black Library better step up their game. :bolo
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Post by: Kara on December 09, 2014, 11:30:26 AM
Joe, when I went to the Lexicanum page about the book all they did was talk about the Star Wars references in it.

So this is something that apparently sailed over 90+% of the readers' heads to make matters worse.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2014, 12:04:01 PM
I finished Vol. 1 & 2 of the Books of Blood and The Hellbound Heart.
Hellbound Heart was pretty closely adapted into Hellraiser (Barker was the writer/director, after all) but instead of being Rory's daughter, in the book Kirsty was an "I hope senpai notices me :uguu"  friend of Rory's. :lol Probably a change for the better. Also, Pinhead was not the lead Cenobite, Butterball was.(Although none of them were actually described as being the leader, he was the first one to appear and speak and he had the most lines. The Engineer was their real leader, but he only appeared briefly at the end.) Pinhead was actually described as being effete in the book, having a tittering little girl's voice  :-* I'm guessing once they designed all the costumes, they realized that the Pinhead one was the most badass, so they made him the leader. Plus, Doug Bradley. :bow2
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Post by: chronovore on December 15, 2014, 02:40:10 AM
War Lord, a novel featuring John Constantine, Hellblazer: John Shirley, arguably the father of cyberpunk (others’ description, not mine; I’m ignorant of his oeuvre).

It is not as good as I’d hoped, but I suspect my hopes were unreasonable.

Then again, I don’t know what I was expecting, having an SF writer working arcane tropes.

It’s by no means bad, and it’s a fast read, but I’d have a hard time recommending it except to Constantine fans.
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Post by: Steve Contra on December 19, 2014, 04:24:55 PM
For our Iain Banks fans:

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/features/iain-m-banks-culture-novels/ (https://www.kirkusreviews.com/features/iain-m-banks-culture-novels/)

:tocry
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2014, 04:25:46 PM
:tocry
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2014, 07:39:18 PM
Losing Iain M. Banks hit me surprising hard. It would have been easier if he hadn’t been such a brilliant, sardonic badass about the whole thing.
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Post by: Kara on December 30, 2014, 12:11:52 AM
I think I found my favorite endnote ever. :rejoice

"390. his wife Gusta . . . Shcheglov also states that, according to some commentators, Zinaida Raikh had an ample bottom, and suggests that this may be another reason why Nik. Sestrin and his wife will sit on four chairs, although he hastens to add that any such conjecture must remain hypothetical."

I can't believe Northwestern University published an endnote that discusses whether or not a historical figure had junk in the trunk. :dead
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2014, 01:46:09 AM
Me gusta!
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Post by: benjipwns on December 31, 2014, 02:34:00 AM
I finally took care of the rest of this:
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The takeaways:
-The CCP is more like the world's biggest Rotary Club than anything too sinister.
-It's okay to sleep through the mandatory Party lectures at your place of work.
-Sometimes sending a person to a work camp is less paperwork than granting them a food stand license and since everyone is dissenting in some manner...
-Most Chinese people are fine with no democracy, they'd just like a legal system separate from the party because otherwise it's like dealing with asset forfeiture in the U.S. so why bother.
-If you're eight years old and a loyal aspiring Party member, who is a Maoist teachers pet all through cadre school and university, your midlife crisis will consist of you wondering why your job exists other than to provide you with slightly better living standards than your non-Party peers who work for the private sector.
-You can expose corruption but only real important corruption and go over local party heads when you do it by using the internet, then they only shut down your account and fine you while probably killing the corrupt mayor or whoever.
-Chinese people don't get why the rest of the world cares about them so much. Or this feeds into their Kingdom of Heaven complex.
-If you swapped the American and Chinese corporate-state-complex for a week, the only thing we'd notice is more efficient paperwork on meaningless things and happier presentations of bad news.
-Also, less welfare spending.
-Which gets to something to the book dances around because I don't think they could get too many people to say it directly. The Party is still organized along the geographical lines it was under Mao, so the farmers and citizens of certain areas are looted at higher rates and provided less services than those who were "essential" to the Revolution. This is exacerbated by internal migration.
-The Soviets fixed that problem, but despite that clear success for Marxist-Leninism, the Chinese in general think the Soviets were a bunch of fuckups who never learned how to do anything but shit their own pants. Except for Lenin, who was perfect and had everything just feet from Communism before Stalin had to mess everything up. Unless it was Stalin who fixed all of Lenin's fuckups and had them on the verge of Communism until Khrushchev fucked up or Gorbachev or you know what, just check back next week for the official history recap because with Christmas and everything we kinda got distracted.
-The Cultural Revolution didn't happen. It was a Western misunderstanding of the Chinese democratic process. *nervously looks around*
-Chinese leaders/academics/etc. fear Chinese nationalism more than anything. The great assumption is that fair elections would keep the Communists in power until a strong nationalist political force (even if it was in control of the Party) emerged. Hence the non-Party elite's belief that the Party needs to stay in absolute power to manage this delicate balance.
-Hu Jintao's dream as a kid was to become a Olympic gold medalist in Ping-Pong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O69C4mDTEyU

Also, he doesn't give a shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ5WXZuNmhc
-"The CCP will survive, in part because most intellectuals always speak to and for the insiders, not those who are outside. They will speak up for the party as long as they're given a house and job by the party to do so. [They ask me why I publish contentious academic articles overseas with his real name] I answer that to publish otherwise indicates that not telling the truth is accepted. This is one of the country's problems-that everybody is trained not to tell the truth. Everybody is telling lies, they trick themselves and others."
-"[There is a phenomenon in China whereby] the less you believe something, the strong you advocate it. You think that just speaking of it will bring benefits. It rules out mistakes. Fake words become a form of exchange for profit."

Anyway, pretty cool book, and more of a interviews/man-on-the-street type of deal focused on how the Party operates and doesn't want to dwell on stuff like the Great Leap Forward. I need to finish the other one now, I think it's a bit more in the style of how repressive the Party is. This book went with a notion that yeah, there's repression and then there's also a form of self-repression that's more of a don't rock the boat while things are going so well type of situation. (While the poor don't have any money so who gives a fuck what they think or want.)

Sadly however, it does feature a brief section in which Thomas Friedman is held up as both an intellectual AND a journalist. It makes up for this by meeting with some Party cadre guy who is totally amused by Americans and Europeans and their constant fretting over income inequality.
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Post by: Kara on January 11, 2015, 05:10:08 PM
The Lemoine Affair is fucking hilarious. This morning the chapter from Flaubert's novel and its accompanying newspaper review had me in tears at the local cafe/coffeehouse¹ I hold court at² on the reg.

:bow Proust Da God :bow2

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¹What passes for bohème in this burgh.

²Sitting in the back corner by the pushcart.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2015, 05:23:33 PM
Finished reading Clive Barker's Books of Blood. It was good. I think my favorite story was In the Hills, the Cities just because of how crazy it was.

Now reading:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61BiMwjCeXL.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2015, 06:46:39 PM
Finished reading Clive Barker's Books of Blood. It was good. I think my favorite story was In the Hills, the Cities just because of how crazy it was.


love that story.

like...how would you even convince people to make giant meatmechs of themselves?  it's like someone in Attack on Titan had the craziest plan possible
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Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2015, 06:52:47 PM
I...

I...

...bought game of thrones. I feel more shameful than when I purchased Screech's Behind the Bell :( and this won't have nearly as much sex, I can honestly guarantee.
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Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2015, 07:50:25 PM
Man, ~20 pages in and I can already tell Amazon X-Ray is going to make this MUCH easier to tolerate.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2015, 11:14:02 PM
:beli
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Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2015, 11:20:27 PM
What's that supposed to mean?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2015, 11:26:31 PM
It's a great book/series. The first season was quite a faithful adaption until the last fourth or so of the book.

Admittedly I wasn't fully hooked until the window toss part.
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Post by: TVC15 on January 11, 2015, 11:32:37 PM
But can it top frequent, long threesomes with Mark Paul Gosselaar, Tiffani Amber Thiessen, and their producer?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2015, 11:35:58 PM
Martin writes some of the worst sex scenes ever, to the point they're comical. He's always insinuating he banged a lot in the 70s but I don't buy it.

Wait till "fat pink mast" enters your sexual lexicon.
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Post by: chronovore on January 12, 2015, 02:58:19 AM
Just finished Gibson’s The Peripheral. For once the ending was straightforward and easily followed, but I felt let down somehow. The world building is superbly realized. Everything felt quite believable, though the further along setting’s tech seemed like it was more advanced than it should have been, considering The Jackpot. Hopefully that’s all obscure enough that it doesn’t need a spoilertag.

Anyway, I liked it a lot and plan to read it again soon.

Started The Lies of Locke Lamora; on a side note, though I think this is a book that Cormacaroni gave to me, I apparently bought the eBook at some point, and I’m reading it on a borrowed PaperWhite. This thing is pretty great to read books on, both size- and page-appearance-wise. So far LLL is proving to be a solid piece of medieval low fantasy infused with enough dark-humor to keep me engaged.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 12, 2015, 12:02:06 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2015, 12:14:55 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 13, 2015, 06:51:11 PM
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How is Seconds?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2015, 11:57:12 AM
Black Wings of Cthulhu 3? More like Black Wings of Mehthulhu 3. :zzz

The first two collections were good, but this one feels like Joshi's scraping the bottom of the barrel. A couple of try-hard stories (wow, a whole 15-page story written in sentence fragments, such artsy, so fartsy!) and several stories that should have tried harder.

One story was about a guy and his wife that were going on a vacation in China while they considered whether to adopt a Chinese baby. Their tour guide tells the guy that he's found out that Fishmen are taking over China and that the Three Gorges Dam is being built for them to have a breeding ground and the reason it's so easy to adopt a Chinese baby is because the Fishmen are trying to spread their fishiness to other continents. The next morning their tour guide has vanished. Then the man has to poop in a squat toilet and a fishman crawls out and grabs his leg, but he escapes and goes back to America. THE END. Yeah, it's hardly Shadow Over Innsmouth, is it? :beli
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 14, 2015, 06:54:58 PM
Immortality, Inc. - Robert Sheckley's 1958 novel is almost as entertaining for its past-riddled future as it is for the ideas it was actually written to encase. There is some interesting speculation about relationship between mind, body, and soul, and a several passages about how proof of an afterlife might change society.

Unfortunately, I was unable to entirely focus on that, and was happily and amusedly distracted by how many of Sheckley's then-present elements made it into his future. Sure, I understand that "future" SF is commonly used as an observation platform to show us our present-day situation, but many of the slips felt unobserved, subconscious. This is not meant as a shallow criticism, but rather to praise the book as an example of period SF.

The world building is interesting, though considering the premises, I came to different assumptions how things would have actually developed. Of course, my framing is based on my own present-day assumptions, so even the dissonance caused by my disagreement with the conclusion became  a source of interest.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 15, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
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How is Seconds?

Most excellent.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on January 27, 2015, 02:24:33 AM
omg Teffi is so good y'all. :lawd

3 page short stories that make you sensibly chuckle several times. :lawd
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 27, 2015, 06:33:33 AM
The Lies of Locke Lamora is pretty awesome so far.  It's an origin story interspersed with a heist, in what appears to be a even-more-analogous-to-Europe-than-average fantasy setting. The era does appear more Renaissance than medieval, and somewhat focused on the family wars of Venice. It's got me hooked.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 05, 2015, 12:20:31 PM
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Joshi's other Cthulhu anthology from 2014 (actually he did three, but the third one is super-limited and sells for stupid money, so whatever). It was also not very good. The stories were mostly all like retellings of At the Mountains of Madness, or a sequel to From Beyond, or it's an original story but we'll name drop every prominent family from Arkham history and I just wasn't really feeling it. I was about ready to once again return C to his eternal slumber, but instead I picked up

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This was a pretty good collection, themed around dark majicks. The stories were...eh, a bit on the safe and predicable side, but still solid. There was one story I liked about humans being destroyed and dogs inheriting the earth that was cute, although it kinda fumbled the ending (well, it is a Lovecraft tribute anthology after all).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2015, 03:10:14 AM
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The Author's intro has all these caveats and self doubts, which is actually in my opinion the best way to tackle theory in history, so hopefully this is decent up until the part where fascists like FDR become "liberals." In the first ten pages or so he chides American conservatives for (in short) making "liberal" an epithet while not realizing their "support" of American tradition is support of liberal principles so bonus points.

Then will move onto:
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Might have posted this one before but I never actually got around to it. So, fingers crossed.

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With the first two blurbs being from Charles Krauthammer and Juan Williams, how can I not?

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2015, 03:13:43 AM
Also a bunch of comics (as usual), currently about 2/3rds through Mark Waid's Irredeemable/Incorruptible.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 16, 2015, 12:23:06 PM
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A horror anthology, from the author of Zombie Sharks with Metal Teeth. I've read the first few stories. It's okay, it's pretty spooky, but it's not quite grabbing me yet. After Books of Blood, I need something more transgressive.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on February 16, 2015, 12:25:17 PM
Also a bunch of comics (as usual), currently about 2/3rds through Mark Waid's Irredeemable/Incorruptible.

Irredeemable gets amazingly fuckstupid. :bow
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 16, 2015, 01:06:59 PM
In the first ten pages or so he chides American conservatives for (in short) making "liberal" an epithet while not realizing their "support" of American tradition is support of liberal principles so bonus points.
Isn't this just semantic drift? Not even big L liberals in America today follow Classical/Enlightenment Liberalism to a tee.

e: I should contribute

reading this:
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and this:
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the first one's a trip. It's dated, it's dry, and it's dripping with authorial bias but it works. It's also slow as fuck, covers the period between 450-680 and he doesn't get to Chalcedon until 150+ pages in :dead.

I'm finding the second one to be a really nice case study in the formation of national identity. Three parts: First centers around Vilnius, you watch different movements/parties/armies march back and forth and interpret/re-interpret the legacy of the Grand Duchy, culminating in ethnic cleansing. Second part is Galicia/Volhynia, same deal but with Austrians this time and a heavier emphasis on Nazi collusion, also way sadder (I'm at the part in 1943 where the OUN is burning down churches with people inside them because celebrating Christmas on Dec. 25th is a surefire way of identifying yourself as a Roman Catholic Pole :goty). Thrid part deals with, presumably, nascent national movements in the SSRs, national determinism, and what the author interprets as the realization of Mickiewicz's original intention, Poland's integration into the EU in 1999 :heh.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 16, 2015, 08:13:04 PM
Also a bunch of comics (as usual), currently about 2/3rds through Mark Waid's Irredeemable/Incorruptible.

Irredeemable gets amazingly fuckstupid. :bow

Weird; we /have/ a comics thread. It would be nice to see something other than peeps bitching about mainstream Marvel/DC canon fuckery.

I read the first volume of Irredeemable and enjoyed it, but didn’t feel like there was a reasonable end-game in the works, and wasn’t sure how far it would go. I sure liked the idea of Superman (or God, really) finally becoming so fed up with the requests and prayers and thankless hours, only to become a bratty, rage-driven, entitled despot.

But, along those lines, I like Kirkman’s Invincible better. There’s hints of an impending horror and bleakness, but deals more handily with the nature of an all-protective god/father figure revealed as abusive and flawed.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on February 16, 2015, 09:47:39 PM
It loses a lot of steam at one point. If it didn't go 2001 on you at the end (that's not a spoiler), it'd be an utter disaster.

As for my absence from Comic-Bore, I learned a long time ago that being the kind of consumer who seeks out comics based on how ridiculous they are puts me out of step with your average internet comic fan so I keep to myself in the shadows and occasionally emerge to drop truth bombs like "Daniel Way's Deadpool is the best Deadpool run" so I can watch the galaxy burn.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 16, 2015, 09:59:35 PM
It loses a lot of steam at one point. If it didn't go 2001 on you at the end (that's not a spoiler), it'd be an utter disaster.

As for my absence from Comic-Bore, I learned a long time ago that being the kind of consumer who seeks out comics based on how ridiculous they are puts me out of step with your average internet comic fan so I keep to myself in the shadows and occasionally emerge to drop truth bombs like "Daniel Way's Deadpool is the best Deadpool run" so I can watch the galaxy burn.

Nice. I have no interest in Deadpool, other than LOLing at the mess they made of the in-joke in that first Wolverine movie. Still, as a fan of the old Lobo comics, I guess I understand heartfelt investment in the ridiculous.

Your win, sir.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2015, 09:47:56 PM
I just mentioned those in here instead of comics thread because the first few volumes were in my stack of books on the table nearby.

I have no idea if Irredeemable's romantic subplots are supposed to be serious or satirical. And the intergalactic fuckery had me wondering if Waid had a stroke and the artist didn't bother to confirm that's what he wanted drawn.

Isn't this just semantic drift? Not even big L liberals in America today follow Classical/Enlightenment Liberalism to a tee.
Did you mean Europe? I think most big L liberal parties there are far closer to old skewl liberalism than the Democratic (or Republican) Party. Even in places like Sweden and Denmark. They just are realistic about the status of the social welfare state. (And even less concerned about that in somewhere like Estonia.) Though they (like the socialist parties) all have the bonus of being able to be more "pure" and still govern in short-term coalitions unlike the two-party system.

I was just talking about how American conservatives have managed to make that semantic drift stick to where when they characterize Democratic positions to an extreme socialist position they still tirade against it as  liberal when what they're imaginary defending is closer to liberalism for the majority of its life as an ideology. (And thus, Americans in polls are loathe to call themselves liberals.) As I've gotten farther into the book he better demarcates conservatism, liberalism and socialism as the three ideologies he feels most other modern ones can stem back to. With liberalism having "won" to the point that nearly all parties in modern democracies are liberal. America being the outlier where "liberalism" is treated as a separate thing that looks more like socialism.

And the author just gets in a little dig about that against American conservatives (presumably reading the book) which I like to do to them as well from time to time. (I know, you're shocked.)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on February 17, 2015, 10:00:33 PM
Where does Christian democracy factor in to this? Feel like we're talking about a Europe where France is in its third instead of its fifth republic.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on February 17, 2015, 10:08:33 PM
Also, if we're talking about haut liberalism, Estonia should be nowhere in the conversation. Denying people citizenship exclusively because of their parentage is about as illiberal as you can get.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2015, 10:18:45 PM
Is Christian Democracy neither Christian nor democracy? Discuss. (Or see the next issue of The Economist for my cover story.)

Also, why does France get to count all their Republics/Constitutions as separate states? It's like giving them occupation zones after WW2.
Also, if we're talking about haut liberalism, Estonia should be nowhere in the conversation. Denying people citizenship exclusively because of their parentage is about as illiberal as you can get.
Wasn't talking about the country as a whole, but they have some of the most old skewl liberal parties that regularly wind up in government amongst European nations.

Russia did too for like three weeks back in the 90's.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on February 17, 2015, 11:24:36 PM
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I think you're falling into the trap of overvaluing economic policy in defining liberalism with Estonia.

There's also the fact that it has fucked up national identity politics, so if you don't care about that your only realistic voting choice is Reform. Post-nationalism isn't an exclusively liberal position.

Imo German speaking countries provide a better example. Germany's FDP was a kingmaker forever until they turned stupid and Switzerland's was far more influential on its country than that.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2015, 11:52:11 PM
All of Eastern Europe has fucked up national identity politics. And I don't think they ever haven't in my 300+ years on this Earth.

But still I think my original point remains that liberal parties exist in Europe to an extent not in the U.S. You can pick Reform or FDPs or VLD or Venstre or VVD or FP and much more easily squeeze what looks like classical liberalism in whole out of them than you can with either the Democrats or Republicans. Especially when they're governing. They're much more willing to make peace with the social welfare state and pick at it around the edges while focusing elsewhere. My picking out of Estonia was because it hasn't had that cemented consensus so it was easier to see the liberal party itself as heading governments. (In part because Estonians don't want Russians to do anything but leave.)

If there's any focus on economic liberalism I'd argue it's because social liberalism has won so extensively by also dominating the social democratic parties that economics is the only place liberalism has any competition. (Though it seems to be good at using this relationship to convince socialist parties to implement liberal economic reforms, like in Scandinavia in the 90's, etc. :lol)

Christian democratic parties in most countries seem more like they're "holding the line" or "slow things down" more than "throw it into reverse" like the social wing of the Republican Party. "Another metaphor."

In the end though, all of this will be remembered as the pre-BA period and mostly ignored by future historians.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 18, 2015, 12:48:53 AM
Did you mean Europe? I think most big L liberal parties there are far closer to old skewl liberalism than the Democratic (or Republican) Party. Even in places like Sweden and Denmark.
Oh definitely, I'm just saying that the definition of what liberal is has changed through time (and, now that you mention it, geographically as well). It just seems like an odd appeal to tradition/equivocation to chide American conservatives because they denote things like the social welfare state/a large(r) federal involvement in the economy/believing in science as 'liberalism' when they themselves exemplify what 'liberalism' has meant to people in the past.

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With liberalism having "won" to the point that nearly all parties in modern democracies are liberal.
I mean yeah, the idea of a democracy in post-1789 Western society doesn't really allow for anything that doesn't resemble classical liberalism in some way. By definition it treats things like civic participation, market capitalist economies, empiricism, progressivism and enfranchisement (for those with political capital) as foregone conclusions.

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I was just talking about how American conservatives have managed to make that semantic drift stick to where when they characterize Democratic positions to an extreme socialist position they still tirade against it as  liberal when what they're imaginary defending is closer to liberalism for the majority of its life as an ideology. (And thus, Americans in polls are loathe to call themselves liberals.)
yeah this kind of boogeyman effect is interesting. In effect, the exonym has a lot more to do with defining what the proximal group isn't than what the actual group they're calling is. One that I find illustrative is the use of 'pagan'; it conjures up general ideas relating to vague polytheistic beliefs, taboo and atavism but it's really just a tool to denote what is and isn't socially acceptable behavior for a certain worldview, it's a relative term that only means "not Christian." No concrete religious systems fall under the term 'paganism,' no one throughout history has identified themselves as a 'pagan' without intentionally using it in contrast with the Christian Church. Liberal occupies that same space in contemporary American political discourse, albeit much less intensely. Idk where I'm going w/ this, just what I've been thinking about.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on February 18, 2015, 01:01:33 AM
Here's a theory I think you might like benji.

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(Because it blames the state for everything.) :mynicca
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What are the two primary state formations in Europe? The medieval monarchy (e.g. UK, Spain, Belgium) and the, pardon my loaded phrasing, volk länder (e.g. Italy, the FYRs). What do these two formations have in common (besides being the predominant formations in Europe)? They were created by a group (whether it be a royal family, or a "nation") and exist solely to perpetuate that group. They are, for all intents and purposes, ideologically neutral. This is why, for example, breakthroughs in the welfare state happened in Imperial Germany under noted champion of the proletariat, Otto von Bismarck, or former subsidiaries of the CPSU could simply rebrand themselves as social democratic parties and win elections. Even in Poland.

What type of state formation is the United States? It's not a medieval monarchy and while we have a volk, the state wasn't created to perpetuate that volk per se, though there have been almost perpetual attempts by that volk to curtail the entrance of other volks to their reich. What's left, then? The ideological state. I don't really think the U.S. was created as a liberal state, but its foundational ideology was steeped enough in Enlightenment thinking that I'll call it proto-liberal. This is why liberalism thrived here for so long and, for the most part, the country could weather global crises without french kissing fucked up ideologies. The nation was itself an ideology, either it was revised or the state had to be discarded.

Why then does liberalism thrive more in Europe now than it does in the United States? Because liberalism is the ruling order after the ideological war between two ideological states concluded and to survive our two primary state formations in Europe are forced to embrace it. Why is it rather moribund in the U.S.? Well, because one of those revisions along the way was to embrace imperialism, and you can't really run a liberal empire. (See also: Third French Republic.)

I blamed the state for everything AND basically argued that dialectical materialism is a true science like Marxism-Leninism. And they say you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 18, 2015, 01:21:37 AM
ethno-nationalism plays a much bigger role in European mass politics than the US *source: anything that happened on the continent between 1917 and 1947. Americans have methods of distinguishing volk for political reasons but those are by and large leftovers from 18th-19th c. racial theory that have been perpetuated in order to justify institutional marginalization of minority groups, it isn't quite the same as the mythologization/national determinism you see in nascent European political movements. My favorite example of that is how common linguistic fetishization is among hyper-nationalist Eastern Europeans; it seeks to reify national destiny by grounding it in an easily understood cultural demarcator when those cultural distinctions are really just the products of geopolitical happenstance to begin with, and are completely fluid. Oh and also something about how genocide is a given and cultural homogeneity is a necessity, because I have to throw in something about how nation-building is the real spectre haunting Europe.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2015, 01:32:59 AM
I've heard the US as an ideologically founded state theory before and I think it works as you outlined. I think when a lot of people complain about how the US doesn't have "real left-wing" parties, it's ignoring both the electoral system and also this concept. The U.S. has always been politically a battleground measured in inches like WW1. So any movement to the "left" or "right" has been a long slow evolution instead of a "lurch" or whatever. It takes a third party to basically upset this, the Republicans did it in the US (though they adopted mostly Whig positions on non-slavery so little changed) and Labour did it in the UK. European (and elsewhere) politics and systems have been more prone to "sweeping" revolutions even legally. The checks and balances thing also plays a role, a Communist Party elected today couldn't change everything in the US in one term, a Communist Party elected in many other countries could easily change all sorts of laws and programs and so on overnight. Hell, liberal and conservative and fascist parties all actually have done this not too long ago.

I mean when we talk about privatizing or abolishing something government run in the U.S. even as "liberal" as we are comparatively it's nothing compared to how it's happened in some parliamentary countries where it's done like the next day except for the paperwork. (Even less so in places like Russia or Vietnam where they have real people's democracy.)

What about this. The U.S. as a massive corporate merger. The other colony corporations were all usurped by colonial states before decolonization, and the US was merged not as a singular pre-existing colonial corporation but as 13 competing corporations wishing to divest themselves from a dominant shareholder.

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former subsidiaries of the CPSU could simply rebrand themselves as social democratic parties and win elections. Even in Poland.
This is one of my favorite things in the post-Soviet countries. Especially when it's the same people who were just Party Secretary getting elected praising multi-party democracy and social freedom.  :lol

Oh definitely, I'm just saying that the definition of what liberal is has changed through time (and, now that you mention it, geographically as well). It just seems like an odd appeal to tradition/equivocation to chide American conservatives because they denote things like the social welfare state/a large(r) federal involvement in the economy/believing in science as 'liberalism' when they themselves exemplify what 'liberalism' has meant to people in the past.
I think it's odd that "liberal" was seemingly willfully chosen as the epithet, was like "socialist" too harsh until recent years or something? Too confusing with "communist" which would be pro-Soviet and thus anti-American? Especially when you're going to ascribe basically socialist positions to the "liberals" in order to denounce them.

ethno-nationalism plays a much bigger role in European mass politics than the US *source: anything that happened on the continent between 1917 and 1947.
I think the source would be more like "forever." One of the factors in WW I was this because of simply how the Austrian-Hungarian Empire was setup at that point due to centuries of events.  :lol

Hell, the prior three centuries or whatever where everyone fretted about a unified German state.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on March 01, 2015, 02:51:32 PM
Aside from obvious peculiarities in translating French into English versus German, there are so many one liners in Les Justes that I keep checking the cover to make sure I'm not reading Brecht.

For you history dorks, one of the characters says something like, "the SR cannot do without discipline!," which is of course utterly hilarious. :spiridonovacry
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on March 08, 2015, 05:53:54 PM
nlrb are having a sale: http://www.nybooks.com/books/wintersale/ the international shipping is a piss take though
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on March 08, 2015, 07:04:14 PM
nlrb are having a sale: http://www.nybooks.com/books/wintersale/ the international shipping is a piss take though

Conquered City for seven bucks. :noah
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2015, 07:21:58 PM
My summer reading series is going to be "Cheap Sci-Fi Paperbacks That Have Neat Cover/Titles" (at least until I decide to replace my e-reader)

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“My dear,” he said lightly. “You must allow me the privilege of a certain quaint hypocrisy. A gentleman never does his nut in the presence of a lady.”
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on March 08, 2015, 07:29:32 PM
Newsfeed pls.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on March 08, 2015, 07:53:57 PM
"A gentleman never does his nut in the presence of a lady"  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on March 09, 2015, 01:02:15 AM
Just finished the first Xenowealth book, Crystal Rain, by Tobias S. Buckell. It was quite good after the first 30%, and by the end it was quite hard to put aside. I’ll probably pick up the next book soon.

I’m having trouble with the audiobook version of Naked Lunch. The reader is fantastic, and does a wonderful job, but Burrough’s prose is so detail rich that I feel I’m missing a good deal by letting someone else read it to me at their own pace. There’s the additional weird discomfort caused by listening to drug junkie homosexual rape porn at the gym while trying to focus on one’s workout. All of the various clenching required becomes disconcerted from an odd diffusion of focus.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2015, 08:43:35 AM
Took a break from longer stuff to get this hundred pager out of the way (especially since somebody sent me a piece he wrote for Hillsdale College that was basically promoting the book and I happened to have it):
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So this book is what half of PoliGAF thinks PD is meets AiA meets "Town Hall columnist and Fox News contributor*." Thomas Sowell's version was better.

I really started skimming after his diatribe about how the Warren Court and the Left in general have turned the entire justice system in favor of the criminals and how it's a tragedy that Obama and Congress lowered the crack sentencing disparity especially since people like Charlie Rangel wanted it in the first place!

Also his book is going to be really dated with all the George Zimmerman and Trayvon references. I mean, it already is.

There's some solid stuff but nothing you can't get in a lot of other books, especially considering how much he goes to Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell, you could just read their books, especially since they're better writers and acknowledge that it's not a "liberal" attack on blacks but an attack on civil rights for everyone. But I have to give him props for talking about Firing Line, though he didn't mention they're available now on Amazon, just that Hoover posted the transcripts. Seeing Thomas Sowell argue with the angry old white lady or weird german professor who didn't understand how to ask questions over affirmative action while everyone wears bad early 1980s is disco over?!? fashions is better than reading his fawning description.

Best part is him talking about all the times he's been pulled over or detained for not committing a crime but being in white neighborhoods. And then he justifies it based on crime statistics. While wondering why he was targeted considering the music he played in his car was De La Soul and Talking Heads, not Ice Cube and Chuck D.  :lol

Also when he quotes from one of those crazy papers where the person is all "math is a racist social construct created by Europeans to keep down the blacks" that winds up basically insulting by saying that "blacks tend not to 'think' but instead to 'feel' and 'react' because of their tribal and natural world roots disconnected from modern unnecessarily complex society." I always like those.

And The New Jim Crow is a hard-left attack on an orderly criminal justice system. And the drug war has nothing to do with incarceration.

He starts off with a bit of history of De Bois vs. Washington's competiting views, coming back to them like two more times. He really should have framed the entire thing with that, but he drops it for good after the last third becomes bashing Obama for everything book #3000. Also affirmative action is holding back asians and whites.

Overall though I have to give the book a massive thumbs down because the second endnote is to Mediaite.

*Just looked at back of the jacket "Jason L. Riley is an editorial board member of the WSJ ... and a Fox News Contributor."  :dead
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2015, 08:58:09 AM
Also, Incorruptible/Irredeemable ended stupid as fuck.

I blame the Congressional Black Caucus.

And Steve Youngblood.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 11, 2015, 02:14:09 PM
I'm going through King Leopold's Ghost :shaq2

Hard to stop reading since it's so well written, but jeeeez it's wearing me out.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Steve Contra on March 11, 2015, 02:18:48 PM
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Everything is sort of there on the cover about the book.  Once he finds his narrative footing it's a fascinating read.  I just got through the six day war.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on March 11, 2015, 02:35:16 PM
one of those crazy papers where the person is all "math is a racist social construct created by Europeans to keep down the blacks"
i now know this is a real thing people say :-\ :'(
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Fifstar on March 11, 2015, 02:47:45 PM
Thai Food by David Thompson

(http://www.der-feinschmecker-shop.de/out/pictures/master/product/1/36fb5fceb4030a7cc0854109801742b9.25f760d5215acd307aaa64a8204698eb.jpg)

The bible of thai cooking
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on March 14, 2015, 11:32:55 PM
A Good and Useful Hurt, Aric Davis: Bought on sale, I had no idea this was going to veer into paranormal territory, so it was kind of nice when stuff that seemed like it should be real turned out to be real. I thought it was solely going to focus on strange social issues faced by the body modification and ink crowd, but then a serial killer is just sorta stuck in the mix. The best thing about the book are the brief introduction stories for tragic-but-ancillary characters, each of which has been just overwhelmingly engaging.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2015, 09:13:23 PM
Did another looting of my publicly funded library (THAT SHOULD NOT EXIST) with stuff of varying interest.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SzmsthaxL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-v3-big,TopRight,0,-55_SX278_SY278_PIkin4,BottomRight,1,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
Only one I started so far, got me interested in the title of his other book "Mr. Market Miscalculates" since the first half of this book has been all about how bankers suck and tried to game the system with no regard for a bubble bursting or what post-war conditions might look like.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NW%2B7UNrAL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/Griftopia_bookcover.jpg/315px-Griftopia_bookcover.jpg)

I literally have no idea what this book is about in terms of position/narrative but I liked its cover:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51E9LEHS%2BZL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

And then the fair and balanced section of the loot:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61BOQbCoW8L._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41m67y4%2BSAL.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 16, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/SkeletonCrewHC.jpg)

Read the first few stories. I decided to save 'The Mist' for last, since it's the longest. After that there's several meh-ish juvenilia, but 'Mrs. Todd's Shortcut' (that he wrote for Redbook, of all places) was pretty amusing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16FCi9t7_Cw
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2015, 02:56:22 AM
From The Forgotten Depression:
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In 1919, [U.S. Steel President "Judge" Elbert H. Gary] had faced down the Steel Workers Organizing Committee and come out on the winning side of a three-month strike. Mrs. E.H. Gary, invited to become an honorary member of the Women's Steel Striker's Auxiliary of Gary [, Indiana, named after Elbert] in November 1919, telegraphed her regrets. To reporters she explained, "I am entirely in sympathy with the stand Judge Gary has taken against the steel strikers, not because he is my husband, but because it is the only right stand to take if we do not want to get in the grasp of the Bolsheviki and have labor override the country with unreasonable demands.
:ussrcry

 :american
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on March 18, 2015, 03:17:20 AM
Half of the top ten steel producing companies in the world are arms of the CPC. :umad
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2015, 03:39:06 AM
Re: a bill to do public works during downturns
Quote
Another critic, Senator Harry New, Republican of Indiana, demanded what business the federal government had in trying to override the biblical injunction that seven lean years would follow seven fat ones.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Raban on April 03, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
I've been reading lots of books, I'll try and keep my blurbs short
(http://i.imgur.com/qQZmgd3.jpg)
Middlesex by Jeffrey Eugenides was recommended to me by a friend as research for potential approaches to a novel I've been in the process of writing over the past few months (re: gender roles) but it wasn't remotely useful in that respect. If you want to read a real, human, account of a trans-person, steer far clear of this book. That said, it was still a very fun read. It's a huge historical epic involving generations of a Greek family in the 20th century and the stories of struggle, emigration and love you'd expect to find within. Luckily, it did inspire me to consider a different perspective for my novel, and gave me the confidence to expand the story beyond just a single character. Overall worth reading, but don't expect more than a very agreeable, made-for-TV drama that just so happens to feature an intersex character.

(http://i.imgur.com/VzcTtZD.jpg)
The Vagina Monologues by Eve Ensler was a book I simply could not put down. It might not be saying much that it took me an hour to finish because it's so short, but I don't typically marathon read. This book has been on my to-read list for a very long time and I'm glad I did. However, like many classic works of art that one arrives at long after its creation, the experience is weakened by one's exposure to its ubiquitous influence on the subject. Still a fantastic read, and I plan on checking out the HBO production.

(http://i.imgur.com/SOUs7fq.png)
I had found this book and the one previous at a dollar-used-book-store and thought, as a huge fan of Jon Stewart that I might enjoy it. I was mistaken. Naked Pictures of Famous People is a very strange and ultimately pointless book. I realized that I often have trouble enjoying comedy books, simply because without timing and delivery, jokes simply don't have the same punch that they do when conveyed through a person. It was an interesting read, nonetheless, as it is a book that parodies or alternately satirizes pop culture figureheads of the time (the Hanson family, the Kennedys, Gerald Ford) by mock second-hand accounts or correspondence.

The other book I got was Haruki Murakami's 1Q84 but I haven't even read the first page for fear that such a large book will probably consume my free time for quite a while.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 03, 2015, 05:17:49 PM
Re-picked up Pillars of the Earth.

I'm on the fence. It's really quite readable, but the author keeps falling into the same tropes over and over again.

"Oh noes! The Cathedral is in danger! What will we do?!"
<some clever political wrangling occurs combined with deus ex machina>
"Yay! We can continue on the Cathedral!"
<rinse and repeat>

I'd give up on it but I'm already hundreds of pages into it and I'm invested in finding out what happens.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on April 04, 2015, 12:18:54 AM
Skim yo. Life too short to unintentionally read bad book (sic.).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 04, 2015, 02:17:06 AM
Where should I start with DeLillo?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on April 04, 2015, 02:38:03 AM
Underworld, then stop.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 04, 2015, 02:48:03 AM
Well, I did like Kate Beckinsale in the movie.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 11, 2015, 07:56:54 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41wNdayiE2L.jpg)

benji was right this whole time

tl;dr: incentivized by taxation and conscription, liberalizing, centralizing institutions create road maps of 'legibility' for their subjects/land/resources that, out of administrative necessity, are laughably oversimplified in their depictions of systems of human design but not human intention (:hayekcry)


Flashback!
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http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42089.msg1953556#msg1953556
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42089.msg1953611#msg1953611

Quote from: Scott, pg. 71
The legislative imposition of permanent surnames is particularly clear in the case of Western European Jews who had no tradition of last names. A Napoleonic decree "concernant les Juifs qui n'ont pas de nom de famille et de prenoms," in 1808, mandated last names59. Austrian legislation of 1787, as part of the emancipation process, required Jews to choose last names or, if they refused, to have fixed last names chosen for them. In Prussia the emancipation of the Jews was contingent upon the adoption of surnames60. Many of the immigrants to the United States, Jews and non-Jew alike, had no permanent surnames when they set sail. Very few, however, made it through the initial paperwork without an official last name that their descendants carry still.
footnotes refer to Le nom: Droit et historie by Anne Lefebvre-Teillard and Names: Medieval Period and Establishment of Surnames by Ribert Chazon in the Encyclopedia Judaica (along with a snip about Aryan-Semitic naming differentiation by the administration during the Reich), respectively
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Kara, peep how enthused the pronunciation dude for Juif is :neogaf
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Juif
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 11, 2015, 08:18:37 PM
restarting Malazan, cause I forgot too much shit
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/FkWXinL.jpg?1)

I'm just gonna read some more Stephen King for now. I'm starting to get a hard-on to read The Dark Tower. I've started it twice but never made it past Book V.

But hey, Sony's taking another stab at the series too. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/stephen-kings-dark-tower-alive-787758)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on April 20, 2015, 11:11:25 PM
Gunther Grass has been dead a week and no one told me. :-\

I found out that Gunther Grass died on 20 April. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 21, 2015, 02:02:10 PM
"[Warren] Harding was a handsome bimbo--I'm sure sorry he had the good luck to get clear of this beastly planet."
~H.P. Lovecraft
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: milchs evil twin on April 21, 2015, 07:17:45 PM
Raymond Chandler - The Lady in the Lake (This is really fun).
Something really dry about the history of Roma people in Europe and the origins of the racism they face.
Some shit about Machine Learning.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 30, 2015, 10:35:15 PM
Finished reading that damned "Pillars of the Earth" first time in a long time I hate read a book. But at least it's done. I'm really perplexed as to how in the world it is as popular as it is.

Started Arthur C. Clarke's 2001. It started magnificently. Then it fell into the Asimovian trap of spending more time tell the reader how than what.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: VomKriege on May 01, 2015, 06:37:34 AM
Guess it will tingle benji and Karakand only, but I will been reading Raymon Aron's Essay on Imaginary Marxisms, from one holy family to another (Translation my own, unaware if it has been published in english). I'll be honest and say that half of the time it was hard to parse through some of the text (ontology, dialectic, etc...) for me, but it was still an interesting read. It's a text for its time (May 1968 and whereabout), and the controversies looks for as futile as they are (and were) but it was amusing to read how Aron pointed out in a thesis confirmation how the decline in the rate of profit that is so vital to Marx and its scientificity had never been really calculated in a century despite the horde of rigid adherents to the doctrine.

I should also read in an indetermined future Aron's two volumes on Clausewitzian theory, which I believe would be a little more meaty. I'd like to introduce myself to some philosophy at one point, any advice on where to begin ? Apart from the greeko-roman classics... Hobbes ?

Otherwise I finished the Peloponnesian War and am currently through the Gallic ones with César and will branch out on Alistair Horne and the Sleepwalkers by Clark.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Narolf on May 01, 2015, 12:09:02 PM
(http://extranet.editis.com/it-yonixweb/IMAGES/RL/P3/9782221125878.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Hw1AGSJpL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Lvu40tZnL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 01, 2015, 02:15:52 PM
am currently through the Gallic ones with César
you reading the Commentaries? I've seen some historians handle the late republic pretty well but they can't quite immerse you like the primaries can
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on May 01, 2015, 02:44:32 PM
Guess it will tingle benji and Karakand only, but I will been reading Raymon Aron's Essay on Imaginary Marxisms, from one holy family to another (Translation my own, unaware if it has been published in english). I'll be honest and say that half of the time it was hard to parse through some of the text (ontology, dialectic, etc...) for me, but it was still an interesting read. It's a text for its time (May 1968 and whereabout), and the controversies looks for as futile as they are (and were) but it was amusing to read how Aron pointed out in a thesis confirmation how the decline in the rate of profit that is so vital to Marx and its scientificity had never been really calculated in a century despite the horde of rigid adherents to the doctrine.

I wish I had the time and resources to go through the stuff Nobuo Okishio wrote that's been translated into English.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: VomKriege on May 01, 2015, 05:14:36 PM
am currently through the Gallic ones with César
you reading the Commentaries? I've seen some historians handle the late republic pretty well but they can't quite immerse you like the primaries can

Yes the Commentaries. I love how César speaks in the third person and uses "our men / our troops ", You would believe you're reading the report of a sergeant. The way he is framing the Helveti intervention (and pretty much any of the further pretexts to attack Gaul tribes) is interesting: The manipulation is obvious (Helveti wants to conquer all of Gaul, then next chapter it is labeled a conspiracy by their leader) but you can see how it could pass as genuine to his public back in the day.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: studyguy on May 01, 2015, 05:19:12 PM
I tried reading Lock In by Scalzi and gave up.
I can't stand his uppity af characters. All of them have this incredible pompousness about them where they carry themselves with their nose sky high, protag and antagonists alike. Fuck those dudes and fuck that writer.




Moved on to the third in the Lightbringer series.
What's the western/tolkin/d&d version of this shit? :expert

Cause that's basically what my reading habits consist of half the time.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 10:20:38 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/Griftopia_bookcover.jpg/315px-Griftopia_bookcover.jpg)
This is the same book as The Great Deformation. Well, not literally as it's 1/3rd the size and replaces the extended history of the financial system with a bunch of Michelle Bachmann's craziest statements.

The amusing thing is that Stockman was part of the Reagan Administration AND the financial industry and he has a whole chapter calling Greenspan an asshole. And Taibbi is really progressive writer for the Rolling Stone (which they assure me is still in print) and he has a whole chapter literally calling Greenspan an asshole including in the title of it.  And for the same reasons. Even though Stockman sets up Greenspan's former free-market past as a good thing and Taibbi uses it to rant about Atlas Shrugged they both savage him for the same reasons.

About the only thing they seem to disagree on is that Stockman believes that there wouldn't have been a horrific end of the world Great Depression because only the large financial powers were on the hook initially and were taking themselves down and mainly themselves without contagion into the sound parts of the banking and financial industry and that Bernanke freaked out because of his past and the rest had entirely personal reasons to push the narrative. Taibbi does seem to think there was some of that potential but agrees on the latter point.

Taibbi only mentions a few examples, while Stockman goes on at length about the specifics of some clearly bad financial deals that should have combined to be indicators of the bubble. Taibbi only mentions it a little, but Stockman because of the more historical focus (and his age) points to LTCM as essentially the original indicator of everything that came to pass over the next decade. Stockman focuses much more on the boom, and Taibbi on the bust. As is likely their ideological wont. Stockman takes shots at Cramer, Taibbi at Kudlow, so together they get both parts of that show. And they've got shots at Larry Summers. Taibbi's got more reporting on the recent politics, Stockman has a longer range take.

Even more fun is that they have the same exact note about their sources at the end of the book. This is a polemic about epic bullshittery, fuck any kind of objectivity, look up the damn sources yourself.

Worst part? They both write this polemic and express how Wall Street has captured the government to loot everyone else for the benefit of the elite. And then go on to suggest greater government involvement in the financial industry, only like...better. Stockman through tougher Fed limits and oversight, Taibbi through more Elizabeth Warren. Though they agree that most importantly, GLASS-STEAGALL. Stockman even wants SUPER GLASS-STEAGALL. Even if the provisions that got repealed didn't apply to most all of the fuck up companies.

Oh, and Stockman spends time on GM at length because he has auto industry experience.

And now you don't need to read the books I suppose. So here have some of those amazing Michelle Bachmann quotes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cil4Zty21M8
Quote
"[N]ow we have the federal government taking over ownership or control of 51 percent of the American economy. This is stunning. Prior to September of 2008, 100 percent of the private economy was private."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bachmann-bill-dont-replace-the-dollar/
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Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann has introduced a resolution in the House "that would bar the dollar from being replaced by any foreign currency."

...

Contacted by Greg Sargent, Bachmann's spokesperson said the representative understands the situation and is "talking about the United States."

"This legislation would ensure that the U.S. dollar remain the currency of the United States," added the spokesperson.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 20, 2015, 01:27:33 PM
So I decided to re-pick up The Count of Monte Cristo (love me some Dumas)

And I am starkly reminded how little I know about French history.
Any good books/podcasts on the subject?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on May 20, 2015, 02:43:52 PM
SUPER GLASS-STEAGALL :dead
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Steve Contra on May 20, 2015, 02:56:13 PM
I'm about done with the Southern Reach Trilogy.  Definitely a must read for Lovecraft fans.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 20, 2015, 02:59:03 PM
Gardens of the moon is a lot easier to read the second time around. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 20, 2015, 03:04:18 PM
So I decided to re-pick up The Count of Monte Cristo (love me some Dumas)

And I am starkly reminded how little I know about French history.
Any good books/podcasts on the subject?
what direction/tone do you want?

Peasants into Frenchmen is a classic and applicable not just to western Europe but modern state centralization as well. Really anything by Eugen Weber and Le Roy Ladurie you should be golden.

This is a decent list:

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1403l7/askhistorians_master_book_list_ii/c78t1q0
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: VomKriege on May 20, 2015, 03:18:29 PM
So I decided to re-pick up The Count of Monte Cristo (love me some Dumas)

And I am starkly reminded how little I know about French history.
Any good books/podcasts on the subject?

I suppose in English.
Not that I will be of great help but who knows...

General histories or specific eras ?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 03:33:00 PM
SUPER GLASS-STEAGALL :dead
Yes, you're welcome for me choosing this source: https://larouchepac.com/20150214/stockman-super-glass-steagall-or-else

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Drink every time he says SUPER GLASS-STEAGALL:
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/58w3md/exclusive---david-stockman-extended-interview-pt--1
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/obco3b/exclusive---david-stockman-extended-interview-pt--2
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/uylj73/exclusive---david-stockman-extended-interview-pt--3
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Post by: Dickie Dee on May 20, 2015, 03:42:27 PM
So I decided to re-pick up The Count of Monte Cristo (love me some Dumas)

And I am starkly reminded how little I know about French history.
Any good books/podcasts on the subject?

The Revolutions podcast (http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/) is currently doing The French Revolution. He's 35 episodes in. French revolution ones are numbered 3.X (i.e. latest is 3.35)

(before that was the American Revoluation which were numbered 2.X, first was the English Revolution which were numbered 1.X)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 20, 2015, 03:45:52 PM
Picked up the Culture series again after a long hiatus. Just finished Use of Weapons

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Was really not expecting that twist ending  :o

A bit unsure whether the novel even needed it, or if it added anything, which might be why I didn't see it coming
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2015, 07:01:34 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/The_Scarlet_Gospels_cover.jpg)

Clive Barker's sequel/follow-up/whatever to The Hellbound Heart/Hellraiser is out.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dennis on May 20, 2015, 08:29:25 PM
(http://abload.de/img/sevenevesqnumb.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=sevenevesqnumb.jpg)

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 20, 2015, 09:30:11 PM
Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse - this is pretty amazing
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Post by: tiesto on May 20, 2015, 11:36:39 PM
Got like 40 more pages left on this:

(http://media.cleveland.com/books_impact/photo/12020674-large.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on May 20, 2015, 11:41:44 PM
Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse - this is pretty amazing

ya it's rly gud
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Steve Contra on May 21, 2015, 11:40:01 AM
Underworld, then stop.
I'll just leave this here:

:bolo
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Post by: chronovore on May 24, 2015, 03:40:09 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/The_Scarlet_Gospels_cover.jpg)

Clive Barker's sequel/follow-up/whatever to The Hellbound Heart/Hellraiser is out.

It's also got the detective from Lord of Illusions in it.

I'm interested in some nerdy fantasy shit. I'm a big Michael Moorcock fanboy so what I haven't read is in my backlog, so no recs on that. What I was wondering about were stories about that Drizzt guy, specifically the Icewind Dales stuff. Worth it?
I read a collection of short stories about/surrounding him, and was surprised how much I liked it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: VomKriege on June 08, 2015, 03:34:09 AM
Just finished a digest on the Punic Wars which compiles text from Polybe, Tite-Live & Appien, one author per war. Pretty good, I think I like how the classics spice up operation reports by turning them into Moral Tales of Great Men (or Great Cities) which may of course alters authenticity. Loved the tale of the Mercenary War, the desert meeting between Hannibal and Scipio or the Stalingradesque final stand of Carthage.

Also started Verdun, the price of glory by A.Horne and I love the first few pages.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Yulwei on June 09, 2015, 09:18:35 PM
His Master's Voice by Stanislaw Lem

also known as "Lem treats his readers to a 30+ page opening monologue by a mathematician about his life."

It's about as exciting as it sounds, but I will carry on because Solaris was amazing and I need more Stanislaw Lem in my life.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: VomKriege on June 11, 2015, 01:50:49 AM
Finished Verdun, the Price of Glory at a quite steady pace. Alistair Horne is a master of acute portraits and synthesis. It is a quite densely packed book (it's pretty short) but never to the detriment of the writing style. There's some oild mannerisms in the whole thing, one would object on how Horne use photos and faces as a basis for psychological facets, but it didn't bother me. Can't wait to read his book on the Commune.

Started the Sleepwalkers by Christopher Clark, seems a mammoth.

1900's Europe  :heartbeat
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on June 11, 2015, 02:09:32 AM
He wrote a book on the Commune? :leon
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Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2015, 02:12:35 AM
Started the Sleepwalkers by Christopher Clark, seems a mammoth.
I read that as mentioned in this thread, it's a tough build up because he establishes so many players, especially obscure Serbian and Austrian politicians. They all blur together at one point. Then the crisis goes Europe-wide and the pace goes up.

It's nothing like Margaret MacMillan's books where she spends paragraphs describing people's lunches though.

Since I'm posting in this thread might as well lay out the latest haul which is more of a collection of stuff I've seen sitting on the shelves and decided to bite on along with a few new things I plucked, especially since I can read outside now.
The Greatest Comeback - Pat Buchanan; about how Nixon outplayed Romney, Rockefeller and Reagan and made himself inevitable for 1968. Also, how a drunk Nixon walked out into the middle of Fifth Avenue to hail Buchanan a cab.

The Almost Nearly Perfect People: Behind the myth of the Scandinavian Utopia - Michael Booth; seems to be a travelogue where he heads to the countries and interviews people instead of random stats/political claims. I really liked when P.J. O'Rourke did that in Africa and Europe. Also he writes for Monocle magazine, how could I not.

Unintended Consequences: Why everything you've been told about the economy is wrong - Edward Conrad; a former director of Bain Capital aping Bastiat for his title, how could I not. Number of references to Bastiat or Henry Haziltt in his book: zero.

Know What Makes Them Tick: How to successfully negotiate almost any situtation - Max Siegel; I have an interview for a new job coming up so I saw it and thought, I should not read this book but pretend like I will for that. Also these kind of books are funny. And it's endorsed by Bob Johnson, former owner of the Charlotte Bobcats!

This Town: Two parties and a funeral - plus plenty of valet parking! - in America's Gilded Capital - Mark Leibovich; saw this for a while and figured I'd bite the bullet, it starts with "Tim Russert is dead." So that's promising.

The Big Short - Michael Lewis; never read it, and after reading Griftopia (which was awesome) figured I'd read the less angry companion everyone loves, plus I liked Moneyball.

The Innovators: How a group of hackers, geniuses, and geeks created the digital revolution - Walter Isaacson; another book with The [X] as its title, how could I not. Plus on the cover it has a picture of Ada Lovelace among Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, which is sweet brehs

Once Upon A Time in Russia: The rise of the oligarchs, a true story of ambition, wealth, betrayal, and murder - Ben Mezrich; sounds like a feel good book about post-Soviet Russia to me.

The American Vice Presidency - From Irrelevance to Power - Jules Witcover; one of those guilty pleasure tomes of questionable value. Plus how many books released in the last five years have an entire chapter devoted to Dan Quayle?
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Post by: VomKriege on June 11, 2015, 02:24:35 AM
He wrote a book on the Commune? :leon

The Fall of Paris covers the Prussian siege of the capital then the Commune.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 11, 2015, 06:35:43 PM
Once Upon A Time in Russia: The rise of the oligarchs, a true story of ambition, wealth, betrayal, and murder - Ben Mezrich; sounds like a feel good book about post-Soviet Russia to me.
I've never looked up the lit on New Russia. I wanna believe it's just an excuse to spend pages detailing Yeltsin's alcoholism
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Post by: Kara on June 11, 2015, 06:47:41 PM
Post-Soviet fiction can be pretty interesting but you really can't read it without some Russian lit background. (So basically it's like all of Russian lit. -ed.) Be a culture of readers brehs. :stahp
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Post by: Kara on June 11, 2015, 10:08:48 PM
http://www.sovlit.net/honestcitizen/

:dead I love Zoshchenko.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2015, 12:26:07 AM
This Buchanan reminiscence was worth it just for the drunk Nixon stories. In fact, now I want an entire compendium of drunk Nixon stories.

Latest one was about how they had stopped for refueling the plane and Buchanan and some other dude were sent inside to get some snacks, and they were coming back when suddenly there was a smiling Nixon wandering down the corridor at them, he had decided he also wanted some chili. So then when they got to Miami at 2am they went looking for an all-night chili place. :lol
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Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2015, 01:50:14 AM
Also, Hunter S. Thompson almost killed them all on another occasion by smoking while standing near and flicking his cigarette in the direction of the refueling guy. And with the time given him directly with Nixon they spent the entire thing talking about football.

And Hunter showed up to Buchanan's first date with his later wife during a small gathering with some other reporters with half a gallon of Wild Turkey and he and Thompson drank it while having a heated argument about the Soviet Union into the morning. :rofl

Him and Buchanan became good friends apparently.
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on June 18, 2015, 03:40:21 PM
Well after a hiatus of some months, I'm finally going to continue Storm of Swords  :obama

"Bran"

 :trash
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Post by: Kara on June 19, 2015, 12:22:37 AM
In the book I'm reading on the can atm there was a Caldari court case where a child that was a citizen of one corporation was tried in another corporation's court, benji. :lol
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Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 06:32:45 AM
In honor of the Danish Libertarian Moment, and mostly for my friend Kara, from the Scandinavian book I listed above (which is much more inquisitive and interesting than I thought it would be, but then again the author self-identifies as a cynical misanthrope) in the Denmark section:
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But I am afraid to say that over the years I have come to detest hygge somewhat. It wasn’t the cheap, fizzy beer (how did they ever have the nerve to claim it was ‘probably the best’? It’s like claiming Sunblest is the best bread), the curried herring or the communal singing in which the Danes inevitably indulge when more than two of them gather together and which can drag out a formal Danish dinner to interminable lengths, that ultimately turned me against hygge; it was more hygge’s tyrannical, relentless drive towards middle-ground consensus; its insistence on the avoidance of any potentially controversial topics of conversation; its need to keep things light and breezy – the whole comfortable, self-congratulatory, petit bourgeois smugness of it all.
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British anthropologist Richard Jenkins has described hygge as ‘normative to the point of coercive’.

And bonus content free with pre-order:
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It was only as I walked back down the street and looked again at the names of the shops that I noticed something curious. My heart sang! The shop names! They were quite extraordinarily prosaic, almost aggressively mundane or, as the Danes would say, tilbageholdende (back-holding, or ‘reserved’), devoid of even the slightest suggestion of promotion or branding.

The hairdresser’s was called, baldly, ‘Hair’. The pub was called ‘The Pub’. The shop that sold clothes and shoes ventured to grab the attention of passers-by with the razzle-dazzle name ‘Clothes and Shoes’; the bookshop was Bog Handler or ‘Book Dealer’. Clearly affronted by its neighbours’ shameless self-promotion, one retailer had simply taken to naming itself ‘No. 16’; another, clearly wary of accusations of hubris, had plumped simply for Shoppen, or ‘The Shop’. These retailers were not merely lacking in marketing skills, they defiantly renounced all conventional notions of salesmanship.

Only one shop dared to break free from the herd and boldly proclaim the eponymity of its owner and risk standing out from the Nykøbing retail crowd: ‘Bettina’s Shoes’.

‘Watch out, Bettina,’ I thought to myself, as I carried on down the high street. ‘They aren’t much for that kind of showboating in these parts.’

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In Danish, the word for tax (skat) also means ‘treasure’ and ‘darling’. Meanwhile, the word for poison (gift) also means ‘married’. After all these years, I still do not really know what to make of this.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 19, 2015, 11:44:25 AM
Count of Monte Cristo Finished this. I know it's important to say you like some big stuffy book to be your favorite books, something either hamfisted or incredibly esoteric. I have to admit though that the Count of Monte Cristo really is one of my favorite books. :yeshrug

Mary Shelly's Frankenstein Finished this too. It was ok.

Under the Banner of Heaven In the middle of this one. After so many former mormons telling me I had to read it I finally got to it. I can see why so many mormons are terrified of this book.

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Post by: Kara on June 19, 2015, 12:49:38 PM
I recently found out Frankenstein was written under the influence of absinthe. I had no idea M-Shell was so cool. :uguu
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 19, 2015, 01:05:29 PM
I've got The Martian and The Orphan Master's Son for the Europe trip.
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Post by: chronovore on June 19, 2015, 09:13:07 PM
Count of Monte Cristo Finished this. I know it's important to say you like some big stuffy book to be your favorite books, something either hamfisted or incredibly esoteric. I have to admit though that the Count of Monte Cristo really is one of my favorite books. :yeshrug

Mary Shelly's Frankenstein Finished this too. It was ok.

Under the Banner of Heaven In the middle of this one. After so many former mormons telling me I had to read it I finally got to it. I can see why so many mormons are terrified of this book.
I've had that Mormon book on my shelf for a while now, and have been meaning to read it. One of my uncles is a lapsed Mormon, and the other is a current Mormon. I cannot remember which one is which, so I never bring up the the topic for fear of committing an epic famial faux pas.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 19, 2015, 09:49:01 PM
But do you have two uncles one that's a lapsed mormon and another that's current? What about those?
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Post by: chronovore on June 19, 2015, 11:09:30 PM
Oh, jeez. I’ve been having weird input problems for a bit. Sorry about that.
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Post by: Kara on June 22, 2015, 02:04:32 AM
Started reading Pushkin's The Captain's Daughter today. Absolutely sublime so far--the sardonic laughs, the superfluous man, c'est haute Russe mon amis. :lawd

The more I get off the beaten path of Russian literature the more I'm astonished at how truly special Tsarist literary culture was. Everything else might have been backward, but I'm really at a loss for a comparable epoch in European writing.

benji, that awful sci-fi book I was reading ended with a Caldari corporation's private army fighting a protracted battle against the military of the Caldari's principal interstellar ally (the Amarr). The Amarr supreme commander was like "How come they're shooting at us, aren't we friends? ???" Ah the surprises to be had when the state enjoys no monopoly on violence. :drool
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Post by: VomKriege on June 22, 2015, 10:16:47 AM
A friend of mine, an avid reader, assured me that the Captain's Daughter was the blueprint for the rest of Russian literature. My grasp of it is to this day too superficial for me to really comment on that although I guess that it has all the major tropes you would expect (a deep and dignified love that conquers all, the bitter rivalries of the elite youth embodied in politics, an ambivalent description of a Russia torn between autocracy and systemic poverty on one hand, and enlightenement and soon to come industrialization...) but within a simpler, more straightforward story than the epic novels that followed. It's hard to put into words what makes those books so great (I liked every one I read, with the exception of a Tolstoi one that bored me silly, but that was years ago) but an interesting experience in this regard was to read Under Western Eyes.

It's basically Joseph Conrad doing an homage to Russian literature (chiefly Crime & Punishment, as far as I can tell). It's a good book and a good riff, but it's more heavy-handed and not as subtle as the real deal. Partly because Conrad is very aware that while technicallt born Russian, he is an outsider.

On another note : Vularai, have you by chance read some Drieu la Rochelle ? I suspect that would be right down your alley...
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Post by: VomKriege on June 27, 2015, 03:47:13 PM
So I finished the Sleepwalkers, how Europe went to war in 1914 by Cristopher Clark, which as you may or may not know is an actual worldwide bestseller while being a real history book. It's not too difficult to see why, as it is rather masterfully written and structured for what it is, with a gripping introduction telling the death of King Alexander of Serbia in 1903 followed by an intricate depiction of the evolution of Serbian politics at that time. One of the two goals of Clark is to put back Serbia, Austria-Hungary and the murder of Archduke Franz Ferdinand back in the center of the July crisis and his second objective is not to speak of "why" but "how" the war broke out, not to be mired in the whodunit question.

Overall I found the book to be a page turner and a valuable addition to my knowledge on WWI, but it has its shortcomings : In the end Clark focuses almost exclusively on diplomats. Most of the time he will only speak of public opinion as a part of the virtual landscape of politicians's perceptions, for instance, and there's nothing there about social issues or economics. In a sense Clark doesn't hide his parti-pris but in a study that sometimes feel as a mammoth overview, one wonders if he did not reproduce the mistake of 1914 by viewing everything through the lens of the great game of diplomacy. Having sandwiched it between two Horne books highlighted it for me, as Horne is a much more adept synthetizer of the times with broader brushes. His description of the late Second Empire in The fall of Paris is just  :lawd
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Post by: Dickie Dee on June 27, 2015, 04:55:25 PM
I really liked Barbara Tuchman's Guns of August.

Prelude-to-WWI history never fails if only because of all the anecdotes about what a clownboat Kaiser Wilhelm was :neogaf.
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Post by: chronovore on June 28, 2015, 08:47:52 AM
Just finished Sheffield's Summertide; it was surprisingly uninspired. It felt like a mystery novel that even the author didn't feel like unraveling the mystery for a final reveal. It probably was just me going in with fixed expectations of hard SF, such as: there will be a point to all of this.
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Post by: tiesto on June 28, 2015, 11:32:17 PM
About 1/3 of the way into Ready Player One, after no less than 5 people recommended it to me. It's good so far, the writing is a bit basic but the 80's nostalgia mashed up with early 90's internet culture is enough to win me over.
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Post by: team filler on June 28, 2015, 11:40:36 PM
I recently found out Frankenstein was written under the influence of absinthe. I had no idea M-Shell was so cool. :uguu
your absinthe sempai  :expert
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2015, 06:11:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Ecm32kN.jpg)

Finished the first part today and it's pretty good. It's different from how I thought it would be, since it focuses heavily on the remnants of the Catholic church and their rituals, rather than the things that you'd normally associate with the post-apocalyptic genre. Still, it's easy to see lines of influences from this to late works in the genre from the the 70's and 80's.

It does have cannibalistic mutants, though.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2015, 02:56:17 AM
Torn for next book to read after finishing The fall of Paris. Kipling or Marai ?
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Post by: chronovore on July 06, 2015, 08:04:20 PM
Clive Barker's The Scarlet Gospels, a sequel of sorts to The Hellhound Heart/Hellraiser and The Last Illusion (movie). It features the cenobite commonly called "Pinhead" and Harry d'Amour, a private eye who appeared in the under appreciated Last Illusion movie, which was creepy as hell.

I'm a fan of the first two Hellraiser movies and the Scott Bakula movie (the same-titled short story has little to do with the movie), but the book is a weird mismatch to them. There is an oddly constant gallows-humor which seems out of place for the kind of situation in which the characters find themselves. To a degree, private detective Harry d'Amour's group resembles nothing else so much as an adventuring party in a dungeon delve, cracking wise as they make their descent into The Temple of Elemental Evil.

I'm disappointed, but hope Barker can pull it out of the fire, so to speak, by its end.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 06, 2015, 08:11:20 PM
What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast

Dedicate their entire waking life to their career, even to the exclusion of their wife/husband and kids. There, I saved you 300 pages.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 06, 2015, 09:42:47 PM
At my job, the senior executives work 16 hours a day six days a week at a minimum.  They will make and answer calls and send out e-mails in the early morning (as in 12 AM to 6 AM).  They have no real life outside of work and are aging horribly, probably due to little or no sleep.  Hardly seems worth it to me.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 06, 2015, 09:46:47 PM
I find that business leadership books are a waste of time.
If you have to read a book about how to be a leader, you're not a leader.
It's something that cannot be taught, only learned.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2015, 10:01:47 PM
Clive Barker's The Scarlet Gospels, a sequel of sorts to The Hellhound Heart/Hellraiser and The Last Illusion (movie). It features the cenobite commonly called "Pinhead" and Harry d'Amour, a private eye who appeared in the under appreciated Last Illusion movie, which was creepy as hell.

I'm a fan of the first two Hellraiser movies and the Scott Bakula movie (the same-titled short story has little to do with the movie), but the book is a weird mismatch to them. There is an oddly constant gallows-humor which seems out of place for the kind of situation in which the characters find themselves. To a degree, private detective Harry d'Amour's group resembles nothing else so much as an adventuring party in a dungeon delve, cracking wise as they make their descent into The Temple of Elemental Evil.

I'm disappointed, but hope Barker can pull it out of the fire, so to speak, by its end.

I meant to post about this after I finished it, but yeah....it wasn't good. Parts of it were good, but overall, it was just a mess. I was excited about this book because Clive Barker was like "Hey, all those sequels were shitty, but I'm taking it back, and making it right" but instead it just took a dump on the mythology of the original more than some of the sequels did (certainly the 2nd one, which did the most to establish the mythology of the series). I thought there would be more backstory to the Cenobites and Pinhead, but instead we got basically nothing about them, and most of the focus on Hell itself
spoiler (click to show/hide)
which turns out to be the Judeo-Christian Hell, a point that was kept ambiguous in the original and even the shitty sequels, but no let's take all the mystery away there but leave other things, like the origins of the Cenobite order just totally unaddressed.
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The ending tho, oh man, the ending. If you think some D&D-tier shit is going down, wait until you get to the end.
(Don't read this yet, Chrono)
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Pinhead goes to Satan's fortress to either meet Satan and learn from him, or it find what knowledge he left behind (because the other demons aren't even sure if Satan is still alive, he sealed himself in his fortress thousands of years ago and hasn't been heard from since). What he discovered is that Satan committed suicide because he was so gay for God-senpai, that he couldn't bear to live without him. Pinhead goes on a rager, and mutilates Satan's corpse and then steals his sweet-ass golden armor that was hand-crafted by Yahweh himself and wields mjolnirwears it and basically becomes Superman. The the other demons show up and are like "Yo Pinhead, get rekt, m8" and he was like "no u" and then went Pre-Crisis Superman on their asses and wiped out a couple of legions of the demon army, as well as the boss of hell. Then he's all like "Who runs Bartertown? Pinhead runs Bartertown!" d'Amour and his crew are just kinda chilling over in a corner, watching all this happen.

Then Satan wakes up, and he's PISSED!  :maf Turns out he was only TEMPORARILY DEAD, as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY has cursed him with immortality, so he'd be forced to forever live with his sins. After a few thousand years of studying dark majicks, Satan built this magical machine that would keep him in a permanent state of death as long as he was in the machine. But Pinhead busted the machine, so the spell was broken and Satan is alive again and not happy. At first Pinhead is like "Oh Satan-senpai, this is such a great privilege for you to have noticed me!" but Satan is all like "Yeah, and who the fuck are you? I'm tryin' get some damn peace and quite around here, and also why am I naked?"  Pinhead decides that Satan is kind of a pussy and now that he's got the God Armor, he doesn't have to put up with this shit. So Satan and Pinhead go at it like Superman vs. Doomsday for a bit, until a battered Pinhead finally gains the upper hand and rips Satan to shreds.

d'Amour, still kinda chilling over in a corner is like "Okay, then. So. Is that it? We good? Can I go now? I got a thing" and Pinhead is like "Uh wait...hold up hold up. I...um...I got some other sights to show you, I swear  it's gonna be sick, just don't leave yet." While he's momentarily distracted, the mangled corpse of Satan crawls up to him, and Pinhead's like "wtf breh, how are you even still alive?" and Satan's like "Immortality dude, I swear I just told you that not 2 minutes ago." and then pulls himself back together and pushes Pinhead's shit in and rips the God Armor off him. After seeing this, Henry is all "Okay, I'm leaving for real this time, deuces" and he peaces out and goes back to the Hell portal, which they figured out through some means that didn't even really seem to make sense to me , but I was beyond even caring at that point.

THEN! THEN! Oh you thought it was over, it's not over. Satan, I shit you not, just flat out punches a underwater dragon so hard that it crashes into the ceiling of Hell and shatters it, literally causing the sky to fall. You might think THAT was the end. Well, it's still not. While Satan was wilding out, Pinhead managed to escape alive, and he finds Henry and the old blind voodoo lady that Henry came to Hell to rescue and HE RAPES HER TO DEATH. There's dick moves and then there's dick moves. :wtf Then makes Henry blind, just for funsies. :badass

EPILOGUE! Henry escapes from hell with his crew, blind and sans an alive old lady, and are deposited in the middle of Nevada. They try to hitchhike a ride (with the dead lady corpse) and are finally picked up by an evangelical preacher. And they're like "Hey, so why would you pick up a bunch of weirdos like us and a dead body, preacher man?" and he's like "So I could save your souls from eternal hellfire, you sad bunch of homos." and they're like "LOL, we just got back from Hell and that shit was wrecked, you're gonna have to get a new religion now haw haw, stupid evangelical!" and they all had a sensible chuckle while they kicked him out and stole his car. And then Marine Todd punched them (I wish) THE END.

Wait, EPILOGUE 2! Pinhead walks around Hell for a bit and then falls down some stairs and dies (not even exaggerating for lulz, this happened).
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Jesus wept.
(http://i.imgur.com/OFEx0rj.gif)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: team filler on July 06, 2015, 10:27:00 PM
how do i become a better reader? i used to be really good about reading for hours and even staying up all night to finish a good book. now i can't do more than read for a few minutes while i shit.
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Post by: chronovore on July 06, 2015, 10:43:43 PM
Jesus wept.
(http://i.imgur.com/OFEx0rj.gif)
I'll save the second of your spoilers for when I'm finished, but did you read the other D'Amour novel? (I didn't realize it featured him, so I haven't read it yet.)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2015, 11:41:42 PM
Jesus wept.
(http://i.imgur.com/OFEx0rj.gif)
I'll save the second of your spoilers for when I'm finished, but did you read the other D'Amour novel? (I didn't realize it featured him, so I haven't read it yet.)

I read the short story that he was in from Books of Blood (the one Barker made into Lord of Illusions).
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Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2015, 01:48:04 AM
Jesus wept.
(http://i.imgur.com/OFEx0rj.gif)
I'll save the second of your spoilers for when I'm finished, but did you read the other D'Amour novel? (I didn't realize it featured him, so I haven't read it yet.)

I read the short story that he was in from Books of Blood (the one Barker made into Lord of Illusions).

That connection is pretty tenuous; I meant the novel, Everville, which featured him.
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Post by: studyguy on July 07, 2015, 12:26:01 PM
Read The Magicians.
Fuck that book. It's like I read a Dave Eggers book where he decided to take a fantasy spin on his depressed fucking narcissistic characters hell bent on ruining their own lives and then bitching about it the entire way while going to hogwarts. I can't emphasize enough how completely rotten the people in this book are seemingly without rhyme or reason. The main dude actively fucks up his own life just because. He's called out on it a ton and it's not like he has a past that would warrant the behavior, but he just does and it's grating. So fucking grating. The tail end of the book is just some depressing ass shit that whips into a lead into the next fantasy book out of nowhere.

Fuck this series, it's being made into a TV show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS_20JPaEnA

Dudes in this look nothing like what I'd imagine.
They're supposed to be awkward ass highschool seniors and shit.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 07, 2015, 12:38:09 PM
I decided to read Brahm Stoker's Dracula after Frankenstein. I'm sorta surprised at how little actually happens.
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Post by: Mr Gilhaney on July 07, 2015, 12:59:49 PM
how do i become a better reader? i used to be really good about reading for hours and even staying up all night to finish a good book. now i can't do more than read for a few minutes while i shit.

My solution was to eat food that made me poop more.


Finished transparent things a few weeks back and havent really started anything after that. Read a little of some Calcio book, it's a good run down on italian football but a bit dry
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2015, 01:06:09 PM
Jesus wept.
(http://i.imgur.com/OFEx0rj.gif)
I'll save the second of your spoilers for when I'm finished, but did you read the other D'Amour novel? (I didn't realize it featured him, so I haven't read it yet.)

I read the short story that he was in from Books of Blood (the one Barker made into Lord of Illusions).

That connection is pretty tenuous; I meant the novel, Everville, which featured him.

Nah, I haven't read any of Barker's novels except the Abarat books.
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Post by: tiesto on July 07, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
Finished Ready Player One, about to start on The Windup Girl.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 08, 2015, 02:39:09 AM
Jesus wept.
(http://i.imgur.com/OFEx0rj.gif)
I'll save the second of your spoilers for when I'm finished, but did you read the other D'Amour novel? (I didn't realize it featured him, so I haven't read it yet.)

I read the short story that he was in from Books of Blood (the one Barker made into Lord of Illusions).

That connection is pretty tenuous; I meant the novel, Everville, which featured him.

Nah, I haven't read any of Barker's novels except the Abarat books.
I just finished the book; read your second spoiler: your version is better. And funnier. Which I wouldn't think would be a thing, because t Barker was actually going for some humor in this, so it's doubly sad to me that you've identified where he was unintentionally funny.

This book was almost as much of a disappointment as that HANNIBAL book Harris wrote when rent was due.

There were a number of good ideas and a heap of well turned phrases, but the overall work is a train wreck.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 08, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Started A Canticle for Leibowitz, and I'm surprised at how much of a slog the first few pages are. I had some trouble. Hopefully it picks up.

I decided to read Brahm Stoker's Dracula after Frankenstein. I'm sorta surprised at how little actually happens.

Yeah, the first section in Dracula's castle is great, and it gets going again towards the end, but you have a solid 200 pages in the middle that are really slow.

The Dracula's castle section though :lawd

I love everything about that ~100 pages.

It's a really long book, indeed.
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Post by: Steve Contra on July 08, 2015, 02:31:50 PM
about to start on The Windup Girl.
I just want to re-iterate the fact that this is one of the best sci-fi novels in years (RPO sounds fucking painful though)
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 10, 2015, 01:41:17 PM
Started A Canticle for Leibowitz, and I'm surprised at how much of a slog the first few pages are. I had some trouble. Hopefully it picks up.

I decided to read Brahm Stoker's Dracula after Frankenstein. I'm sorta surprised at how little actually happens.

Yeah, the first section in Dracula's castle is great, and it gets going again towards the end, but you have a solid 200 pages in the middle that are really slow.

The Dracula's castle section though :lawd

I love everything about that ~100 pages.
Yeah the castle part is really incredible but then it's like "mehhhhhhh"

So I finished it. Now I'm onto Moneyball I'm not a baseball fan but I am a data/stats fan.
So I keep going between  :shaq2 to :aweshum
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: VomKriege on July 10, 2015, 05:02:51 PM
Haven't read the book but the Moneyball movie is pretty great if you wonder.

Finished the Fall of Paris and that was yet another engrossing read. Expected the book to delve more on the Commune however, as it stands it "only" is covered in 2/5 of the book (the rest being the Siege of Paris). It's probably not the most in-depth book on the subject but Horne is really a master storyteller, provided you can get over some of his old fashioned manners (Like to speak of "Gallic race" "Latin race wooed by glitter" and to convey the character of a man by describing his facial features. All this written post-WWII). Nevertheless Horne gives a rather fair shake to the Commune and even to The Marx-Lenin Bros interpretation of it, something I am not certain I would have found in a French book on the matter (Hope I will have the time to find one down the road).

If you have an interest on the matter, you can go ahead.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 11, 2015, 05:34:56 AM
Journey to the Center of the Earth, read by Tim Curry. This is one of the best audiobooks I have ever heard.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 11, 2015, 09:24:48 AM
Started reading the Witcher in Polish.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
So Kipling prose it is, and it's good. The language is pretty challenging, but Kipling is a to the point writer. Surprised at how short some of those stories are (I'm only in the early writing so far). Also his staunch imperialist and racist views (of course blended with his actual first hand knowledge and fondness for the place) actually often underlines rather than sugar coat how bad British India could be, notably the horrible double standard in love relationships.

“There is no law whereby you can account for the vagaries of the heathen,” said the Chaplain’s wife, “and I believe that Lispeth was always at heart an infidel.” Seeing she had been taken into the Church of England at the mature age of five weeks, this statement does not do credit to the Chaplain’s wife.

Also this epitaph he wrote for the graves of WW1 soldiers :

If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied.


 :gbcry
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 18, 2015, 08:04:27 AM
I read Byron Crawford's No Country for Black Men.  This is book #7 for him in the past three years (although one of his books was a partial compilation of the articles he wrote at XXL).  Admittedly, I thought his previous book, Kanye West Superstar, was getting repetitive.  However a lot has happened in the past year since KWS came out, which gave him a lot of good material to work with.  Only Byron Crawford can come with a general connection between Elliot Rodger, Damon Dash, Mike Brown, and Eric Garner.  The downside for new readers is that he is asking for more money for his books.  In the past, it was 99 cents or $1.99.  Now he's asking for $5.99 for this book.  Still worth it of course.

I read Stephen Witt's How Music Got Free.  I saw a positive review on Vice.  Naturally, I was hesitant about the book because it was reviewed so positively on Vice so I expected a bunch of stupid bullshit that would appeal to the average Vice reader (aka, a dumbass who thinks he is cool only because he reads articles from supposedly cool people and lives vicariously through them).  However this book is really good.  It approaches the issue from several facets: the Germans who were responsible for creating the MP3, the guy who was responsible for most of the leaks in the early mid 2000s (a guy working at the CD pressing factory who bought CDs from other workers who hid CDs behind giant belt buckles), the hardcore nerds on IRC who ran a network of leakers, the rise and fall of Oink, one of the most powerful music executives and how he dealt with the crisis, a public who 15 years ago was perfectly willing to pay $20 for a CD with two good songs on it and how they now refuse to pay any more than a nominal fee for services like Spotify, and much more.  It was really well put together.  It seems like a few chance coincidences resulted in dramatic shifts in one of the biggest entertainment industries ever; you really get the feeling if it wasn't for a series of lucky breaks, we'd still be paying $25 for what amounts to two good songs.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 05, 2015, 11:55:27 PM
while perusing amazon, came across this reviewer (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1DPP8TXDCHCDN?ie=UTF8&display=public&page=1&sort_by=MostRecentReview)

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"With the possible exception of the Ku Klux Klan," Bryan Burrough tells us on page 26, "the US had never spawned a true underground movement committed to terrorist acts." In this myopic perspective lies the book's distortion of its subject. The terrorism running throughout American history has been so successfully expunged from public record that one can almost forgive a Wall Street Journal writer for knowing nothing of the Molly Maguires, the "Black Patch" nightriders of the Kentucky tobacco country, the Chicago anarchists. (But surely he's heard of John Brown?) Depending upon one's definition of terrorism, the Boston Tea Party was certainly viewed as such by the good burghers of Wall Street in their day. And considering that so much of US terrorism has been localized - like night riders of Reelfoot Lake, Tennessee, or Bald Knobbers of Missouri - it would take a committed historian to do it justice.

I say almost, but in the end Burrough is not a committed historian.

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I give it two stars for effort, as a thorough exposition of hard-right premises and thinking. Of course, I believe it's mistaken to the core philosophically. But I'll confine my critique to the specific issues Horowitz raises.

His main thesis is that the Right is too soft, too rational, too understanding, uninclined to play black/white, zero-sum politics. This is totally false, and makes his argument one big victim's whine of being bullied and misunderstood: a position supposedly despised by conservative "winners." From the Tea Party to Fox News to Congress, I see the Right as consumed by knee-jerk reactions, irrational prejudices (Sharia Law, Obama's birth certificate): as being on the attack with destruction and obstruction the only objectives.

As for the Left's strategy of "government dependence for all", this seems to be evil only when it embraces the "losers." When corporations and banks are subsidized this is, of course, facilitating the free market. Dependence on law ("corporations are people") and on the military are somehow not part of "government," analagous to saying arms and legs are not really part of human anatomy. Dependence on private wealth is thus a "positive good." We should embrace our billionaires as "job creators" as they slash wages and are "forced" to export those jobs to tax-free non-American zones. Why import cheap labor to bust unions when you can just export the jobs to those truly grateful for them?

If the Liberal fight for contraception is really about women's liberation, then most surely is the Conservative anti-abortion movement about preserving male property in the form of heirship "rights." (God being always on the side of those who have.) Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, "food stamps" and welfare are all false entitlements for the undeserving, of course. We know true entitlement comes with a property deed, duly inherited under law, and thus a sign of Divine favor.

The real problem with the Conservative position is that it has always based itself on privilege. Protecting its followers' sense of "exceptionalism" under various twists of philosophy and politics has been its central task. Historically it positioned itself against racial equality, votes for women, the rights of labor, and religious tolerance. Attempts to create a populist base for its policies of privilege by appealing to minorities, women, struggling working families, or siding with Israel are made possible only by the Left's struggle to integrate this demographic majority into American society against the Right. The Right can "win" its anti-Left crusade only if it could truly marshal these groups on its side. Yet being welded to privilege, the gated side of the social divide, it can't bridge the moat it must have to keep the hordes at bay. No need to take prisoners when an entire society is behind bars.

David Horowitz' advice comprise the tactics of the Russian Right of a century ago, which did as much as Lenin to usher in Bolshevism. As a former "Red" himself, Horowitz should know this. Perhaps that remains his goal: by kicking the legs from under the center, playing the politics of extremist aggression, he trusts to emerge on the winning side regardless. ;)
:lawd S-tier invective brehs, like Zinn if Zinn was coherent and well read
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2015, 12:18:37 AM
The thing that stands out more to me in that first quote is calling the KKK an "underground movement" historically.

Major complaint I have is his overuse of "blinkered" especially in titles of the reviews. Good list of stuff I'd probably like to read though.

His Captain America review.  :dead
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Those of us ancient enough to remember the original superhero incarnations always look at these "resurrections" with a jaundiced eye. Joe Johnston, Kevin Feige, and writers Markus and McFeely put more than a little heart and effort into this one. The result is not only proverbial "action-adventure entertainment" but deepwater exploration into the nature of human good and evil.

The premise is that a 4-F with a good heart is transformed by science into the man he ought to be: an ubermensch whose capabilities match his conscience. Thus armored in soul and body he sallies forth to battle pure evil - the Red Skull of Hydra, who seems ready to outdo Hitler and take over the Evil Empire for himself. The reconstruction of time, place and culture is superb, especially as contrasted to his end-film resurrection in the 21st century. The humility of his transition from circus performer to action hero is also poignant, and necessary: a modern audience tends to mock men in tights who wrap themselves in the flag, just as the frontline soldiers who initially reject the CA shtick. It takes a crisis to make Captain America more than a clown image.

That said, there are a few rather absurdist premises in the film. Blacks or Native Americans of the period might have a problem with a white man in flag-drag symbolizing a force for good throughout the world, when experience at home teaches differently. The defected German scientist would, in reality, have been as Nazi as the bad one allied with Red Skull, turning a new leaf only through the losing course of war. And CA's stint as a USO performer would have been unnecessary - the whole operation in "real life" would have been conducted under the OSS, the CIA's predecessor. There'd have been no qualms about using a natural bully for genetic guinea pig.

As a good if old-fashioned gung-ho war film, and a probe into the human psyche, this effort is one of the better recreations of the comic-book genre: not a satire, not self-righteous, and not "dark." I haven't yet seen the sequel. I hope it doesn't trash this original effort too badly.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2015, 12:23:20 AM
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   Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama
by Ann Coulter
Edition: Hardcover
Price: $23.98
120 used & new from $0.01

9 of 44 people found the following review helpful

1.0 out of 5 stars
Sheets Calling Pillowcases White, March 10, 2013
There is such a thing as reverse discrimination - preferencing A will disadvantage B, with or without malevolence, as a basic law of physics. But this author is not the one to be making said point, as she is as provocative, demagogic, and one-dimensional as she accuses her adversaries. Her advocates seem to endorse a new twist on Orwell's epigram: "Slavery was freedom, if only the dumb b-s had the sense to know it."
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2015, 12:29:32 AM
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2OJU92ZQP5CP5/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0385515693
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In Applebaum's pages the postwar world has indeed shifted its axis: the sun rises in the West and has set in the East. There is no inkling of the postwar satellite regimes on the other side of the curtain, established under Western occupation in Greece, South Korea, or South Vietnam; or the retro colonial wars of Kenya or Algeria. While totalitarianism was shedding its jagged edges in east-central Europe after 1956, it was just beginning in Latin America, where it would reach zenith in the national security states of the South American cone. This "oversight" of broader context is understandable: her husband, Polish expat and Oxford scholar Radek Sikorski, was the National Review's Angola point man, broker for Poland's entry into NATO, and now its foreign minister who has lauded Germany as Europe's "indispensable nation." Amazing how even Oxford scholars and Polish patriots can also twist historical memory to serve expedient ends.

Applebaum has focused on three states of the Western periphery of the old Soviet bloc: the German Democratic Republic, Poland, and Hungary. Despite her disclaimer she concentrated on these three precisely *because* of their similarities. They were the most Westernized, industrialized, and middle class nations of the bloc which seamlessly entered the Communist period under direct postwar Soviet occupation. Even in the rawest period of regime consolidation they were never cookie-cutter imitations of Moscow, nor was Poland ever equivalent to Albania. They were not "destroyed," as she writes; and she admits as much by later conceding it's "not an accident" that "the most successful postcommunist states are those that managed to preserve some elements of civil society throughout the communist period" (p. 468).

But Applebaum is likely right in disagreeing with the revisionists over Stalin's agenda in the region. Rather than a mere reaction to the Marshall Plan, Stalin set out to establish postwar Soviet-friendly regimes with longterm strategic interests in mind. When American journalist Edgar Snow asked a Romanian woman official in 1945 how long before the Communists are "running things," he was told, "Two years", with a "sweet smile." Stalin informed the Yugoslav Communist Milovan Djilas that victors must impose their own ideology and social systems "as far as their armies can reach." Scholars like Applebaum and NATO-adviser husband have worked hard to fulfill this dictum.
tee hee
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2015, 12:57:10 AM
I've lost all faith in R.L. Huff as a reviewer.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3U3RWTKF8HNPD/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1932360077
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17 of 68 people found the following review helpful

5.0 out of 5 stars
Basically sound history, December 16, 2009
By R. L. Huff

This review is from: Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture (Paperback)

The five stars are to give the work a much-deserved boost. My true rating wiuld be a four, however. In the second edition by SoftSkull Press the publisher and author state the book was victim to a well-organized trashing campaign by the gun lobby, and to judge by the reviews on this site it seems ongoing still: the Tea Partiers' bash-in before Obama.

Bellesiles is an iconoclastic contrarian of '60's mold, and at times - only a few - he may swerve too far in stating his case. But his premise is sound: that early America was not the home of universal firearm ownership, and that its "public liberties" did not flow from the barrel of a privately-owned, unregistered gun.

In a rural, non-manufacturing society like America, colonial and Federal, gun ownsership was equivalent to owning a wagon or horse: an ideal not realized by all, and possessed in modest quantities. The gun as a "consumer item" was not possible until the rise of mass production under the necessity of arming Federal troops for the Civil War.

My own grandfathers' arms history is proof: one lived in Pennsylvania and New England, and never owned a gun. The other, however, grew up in frontier Louisiana, and his "stockpile" consisted of an elderly shotgun and one "Spanish revolver." These were his only firearms, all dating from the 1890s, which he kept his entire life. As a boy in the 1880s he could remember men who still used muzzle-loading rifles, which had been passed on from father to son, and made their own bullets. Thus gun ownership, while more common among American farmers than Europeans, was low-caliber, varied from region to region, and was limited by general poverty.

It's no accident that the "frontier" we see portrayed in TV and film is nearly always confined to the post-Civil War era, the time of Colt "peacemakers" and Winchesters. Whole movies were devoted to "guns that won the West." If a "Western" were (ever) to be made on the Great Lakes Indian wars, or the outlaw gangs of the Old Southwest, its writers would be at a loss. Few of the symbols and weapons they associate with the "frontier" would have been availiable. One must wonder how much the NRA has influenced the scripting of the very frontier history Bellesiles justifiably took to task.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 06, 2015, 01:04:39 AM
Major complaint I have is his overuse of "blinkered" especially in titles of the reviews.
it stands out so painfully, "_____ but blinkered" is def entering my lexicon


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Good list of stuff I'd probably like to read though.
for sure, all the early soviet stuff on there is p much gospel. the Kurzman book on Iran is good, would recommend
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 07, 2015, 01:13:31 AM
I'm sorry I keep coming back to this but this one is absolute fuego

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One of the recurrent themes of Western historiography on the Russian Revolution has been how it could have turned out better for the West. Likely it could not have; nor could it really have done so for Russians. In the period under Professor Smith's review, Russian society was already too polarized for the center-left solution of parliamentary democracy; hence the ease with which the Constituent Assembly was swept aside after Russia's first free elections. If the Bolsheviks had not done so, the "White" army officers surely would have, as witness the fate of the PSR-led Constituent Assembly in Exile of Siberia, overthrown by Admiral Kolchak with British blessings. The Eastern Front policy of the "Komuch" was only a rehash of the Provisional Government's duplicitous pro-war program, already decisively repudiated by the country's majority.

The dilemma of the Party of Socialist Revolutionaries echoed that of the peasants to whom it most appealed. The poor ones split to the left, aligning with the Bolsheviks against land capitalism; the wealthier aligned with the right in favor of property; while the mass played the middle in benevolent neutrality. In this was captured - to use Smith's excellent term - the fate not only of the PSR but of the peasants, the Revolution, and Russia itself. Its fate was not unlike that of the Ukrainian nationalists of the 1940s, caught in a two-front war. Victory would go to those forces who knew who they were, what they wanted, could maintain themselves in the field the longest - and lucked out on the chessboard of global politics.

But it's hard to see how Smith can call the Bolshevik linkage of the PSR to "capitalist imperialism" a "trope," when the PSR leadership actively sought such linkage and was disappointed at its limited offering - even when betrayed by these Allies in favor of the White armies and their commissioned officers. As Smith says, no civil war is a neat either-or split. One can point to America's own, with anti-Lincoln draft rioters in New York or Unionist guerrillas in East Tennessee. But while these backcurrents complicate facts on the ground, they never overcome the central protagonists or replace the main dividing lines of conflict. Neither could the Russian PSR.

The Constituent Assembly-in-Exile failed for the same reason as the Provisional Government: obsession with legality over the nuts and bolts of power. The Bolsheviks were not mere democratic phrasemongers and coup-plotters like the adventurist PSRs; but embedded themselves in the social authority of the soviets, through which they gained access to the state, its treasury, and its transportation/communication systems. In the end the Red Army prevailed in 1920 for the same reasons it did in 1944: an atrocious enemy and the lack of a viable alternative. This ambiguity would haunt Soviet Power throughout its existence.

The fate of the PSR did symbolize the lost hope of any plurality in the Soviet state. When faced with suggestions in 1921 of legalizing the PSR as a Soviet party, allowing it freely-elected participation - or, as the Cheka's Feliks Dzherzhinsky advocated, "We must condemn the SR idea to languish in darkness" - Lenin unhesitatingly chose the latter. Dzherzhinsky's warnings prophesied the self-fulfilling pitfalls of glasnost: ideological regeneration of opponents was not in the Bolshevik interest, for doing so would only "unify and regenerate" the opposition within a "year and a half or so," changing the regime's single-party nature and creating the conditions for "counter-revolutionary restoration." Lenin's solution - the New Economic Policy - was to address the social grievances fueling SR support while outlawing the party and tightening his own. A lean-and-mean Communist Party would have to travel a long road before reaching the senile corpulence that, finally, allowed power to be stripped from its feebled grip.
http://www.amazon.com/Captives-Revolution-Socialist-Revolutionaries-Dictatorship/dp/0822962829
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on October 07, 2015, 01:54:48 AM
Bro do you even Maria Spiridonova.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 07, 2015, 02:52:27 AM
Enjoying the Laird Barron short story collection, The Beautiful Thing That Awaits Us All. These shorts are surprisingly varied in style. I am looking forward to reading more work by him. Three years younger than I am, makes me weep for my own meandering creative life.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2015, 10:30:58 AM
Enjoying the Laird Barron short story collection, The Beautiful Thing That Awaits Us All. These shorts are surprisingly varied in style. I am looking forward to reading more work by him. Three years younger than I am, makes me weep for my own meandering creative life.

Laird Barron is pretty good and he has an eye patch. :rock I've been meaning to check out this collection.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 08, 2015, 03:40:43 AM
Enjoying the Laird Barron short story collection, The Beautiful Thing That Awaits Us All. These shorts are surprisingly varied in style. I am looking forward to reading more work by him. Three years younger than I am, makes me weep for my own meandering creative life.

Laird Barron is pretty good and he has an eye patch. :rock I've been meaning to check out this collection.

One of his other collections, The Imago Sequence, was on a recommended reading list for people who liked True Detective s1. Some of the stories are subtle enough that the incidents they contain could easily be explain by natural causes, or madness.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 02:45:01 AM
Done:
The Intel trinity : how Robert Noyce, Gordon Moore, and Andy Grove built the world's most important company / Michael S. Malone.  - Didn't like how this book effectively stopped at the 486, but still went on for a hundred pages rehashing the same things about people as they were dying off.
Denialism : how irrational thinking hinders scientific progress, harms the planet, and threatens our lives / Michael Specter.  - Another one that went off the rails with the last chapter, went from being in that debunking/skeptic mold to advocating for some fad theory about genetics.
The S word : a short history of an American tradition-- socialism / John Nichols.  - This was on here before but I never got around to it. Did you know that everyone in American history was actually a Socialist? Thomas Payne? George Washington? Abraham Lincoln? Benjamin Franklin? FDR? Thomas Jefferson? Barack Obama? All Socialists! Walt Whitman? THE ULTIMATE SOCIALIST! Also, there was this guy named Eugene Debs who once ran for President as a Socialist, but anyway, Theodore Roosevelt? Socialist too! I should have just read JFK: CONSERVATIVE if I knew that's what this was going to be.
The great derangement : a terrifying true story of war, politics, and religion at the twilight of the American empire / Matt Taibbi. - This one and the one below from Taibbi have the same structure and I loved it. They're split between multiple narratives. In this case, it's between Taibbi entering into the world of fundamental christianity, 9/11 trutherism (where a guy threatens to kill him for telling the CIA about the meeting that he wasn't invited to but came to in order to make the threat), while also his standard observances of Congress/Washington.

One thing I didn't like, is that after he leaves the Christians, he doesn't follow up on what happened to any of them leaving all kinds of loose threads. I know, it seems like, who cares, but he integrates himself into their world so much they dominate the narrative to where you want to know about some of the stuff post-his bailing on the fake identity.

Also, it has my favorite part of the book, where he shames all the fundamentalists at a Chinese buffett for eagerly opening their fortune cookies. Dat's master level trollin.
The divide : American injustice in the age of the wealth gap / Matt Taibbi  - Similar to the above, only is limited to two divide narratives, focused on criminal justice. Namely how the standard for the poor/minority is to be thrown in jail over and over, and the standard for the wealthy/important is to get their company fined. Talks to public defenders and prosecutors and former regulators regarding how it's essentially a rigged game, so leniency is being somewhat intentionally granted, not some factor of the system. The public defender parts reminded me of Benched, which was a good show with a great cast and probably should have been on FX or something and gone more cynical.

Has a chapter about a guy in Brooklyn which chronicles his every arrest over like two years, he gets arrested like 15 times, like half of them are arrests for "obstructing sidewalk traffic" and he gets so fed up that he decides to fight the last one since he and a friend were standing where it'd be literally impossible to obstruct traffic by standing. The public defender tries to get him to accept just a $25 fine (originally $100), but he fights it on principle, judge calls the cop an idiot and dismisses the case. Then the public defenders refuse to talk to Taibbi. :lol

Bailed Out On:
By the people : rebuilding liberty without permission / Charles Murray.  - One decent chapter, I didn't even realize it was a Charles Murray book until he started babbling about races and their projected economic performances and I was like...wait. And looked at the inside back cover.
The demographic cliff : how to survive and prosper during the great deflation of 2014-2019 / Harry S. Dent, Jr.  - Deflation has a meaning! It's not how you used it! I hope you get acid thrown on half of your face!

Ohhh that's Harvey? My mistake.

Onward:
The seven sins of Wall Street : big banks, their Washington lackeys, and the next financial crisis / Bob Ivry.  - Each of the chapters are named after a sin, that's bold and inventive, has anyone done this kind of thing before?!? Can't wait.
Lords of finance : the bankers who broke the world / Liaquat Ahamed.  - About the 1920s. Also, I like that name. Liaquat Ahamed.
Flash boys : a Wall Street revolt / Michael Lewis.  - "but in the end, Flash boys is an uplifting read. here are people who have somehow preserved a moral sense in an environment where you don't get paid for that" :lol

I think I actually hate Michael Lewis' writing thinking back to Moneyball, the No Stats All-Star, etc.
Bailout : an inside account of how Washington abandoned Main Street while rescuing Wall Street / Neil Barofsky. - I opened it up and did a little scan and it was him bitching about people stonewalling him and I'm like I love these types of books where everyone hates the author! The one about FOIA I read was nothing but that bureaucratic stonewalling and that was great.
America's fiscal constitution : its triumph and collapse / Bill White.  - I mean, we know what this has to be about. And I was going to skip it but then I saw on the back Ross Perot commanding "every citizen" needs to read it and I can't disobey legally, can I? I'm unsure on Ross Perot's legal authority.
Suicide pact : the radical expansion of presidential powers and the lethal threat to American liberty / Judge Andrew P. Napolitano. - Finally, the Judge stops writing the "yearly political/current events screed" and gets back to writing about history and court cases, etc. leading to the current state of things.
The last empire : the final days of the Soviet Union / Serhii Plokhy.  - As in fairly literally, not like say 1987-1993 or something, but 1991-ish. However, the author claims despite all factual evidence to the contrary that Ronald Reagan's speeches did not bring down the Soviet Union and that American foreign policy has been misled ever since for believing it played a role in the demise of the workers state. Yeah, right, it's like the guy never heard of "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
Operation Shakespeare : the true story of an elite international sting / John Shiffman.  - Bunch of dudes go after stolen military technology, and I assume kill all the brown people involved. I liked this guys other book about art heists or something.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 17, 2015, 02:08:57 AM
Read through Donald E. Westlake's Bank Shot -- 2nd of the Dortmunder books. Still wonderful and seemingly timeless. Man, I love heist/caper stuff.

I'm reading Zahn's Star Wars: Scoundrels, which is also a heist book which features Han, Lando, and a few other expanded universe characters in a heist job. It's pretty great; my second time listening to it, and the narrator does a great job with all the voices. The dialog's not on par with Dortmund, but it's based on George Lucas characters, so that's to be expected. I'm on a Star Wars kick right now, with the movie coming out in two months (!!!), only really avoiding video games of it.

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 08, 2015, 12:54:58 AM
found another winner: http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AV1ITXWQ13PN6/ref=pdp_new_read_full_review_link?ie=UTF8&page=3&sort_by=MostRecentReview#R1CHLWM3056ZF

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Obvious Proof of the Unarguable Muslim Hatred of Jews

This material should especially interest academics familiar with the frenzied activities in recent years on behalf of the rights of Palestinian scholars by such ostensibly academic groups as the American Studies Association or the Middle East Studies Association. Israeli shows how these institutions are in reality close in spirit and intention to the German universities of Freiburg and Gottingen of the 1930s as described in Max Weinreich's Hitler's Professors: The Part of Scholarship in Germany's Crimes against the Jewish People.[1] Today, most Islamist academicians, like their Nazi predecessors, ably demonstrate the truth of Gandhi's saying that "the greatest deceivers are the self-deceivers."

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A Much Needed Feminist Foreign Policy

Just as Suzanne Gershowitz, of the American Enterprise Institute, said Chesler, a psychologist by training and a self-identified feminist, sets out to explain how and why the movement she once associated with has gone awry. Those most commonly identified as feminists today have, she argues, become "marginalized" and "irrelevant" due to their obsession with multiculturalism and isolationism. Chesler at once condemns women's studies in the academy and leftist protestations against U.S. democratization efforts in the Muslim world. At times, Chesler's passionate defense of both the United States and Israel--a defense of democracy and denunciation of Islamism--overwhelms her core arguments about feminism. But she clearly establishes the relationship between U.S. foreign policy and the feminism with which she identifies. Her ultimate goal, she says, is to create a feminist foreign policy.

The first chapters document the crises that feminism faces today: the liberal feminist hijacking of the academy, the lack of independent thinking among women, and the stifling of dissident feminist views. Using a mix of personal anecdotes, statistics, and excerpts from other sources, Chesler documents the closed-mindedness among feminists--and their hypocrisy: "the chilling of free speech has been unilaterally imposed by those who claim to act on its behalf," she argues. She also provides psychological explanations for this situation.

Chesler identifies the turning point of feminism, when it finally became "suicidally intolerant," as "the reaction and non-reaction of Western academics and intellectuals to the 2000 intifada against Israel--and to 9/11." Indeed, Chesler's main complaint against today's feminism is its reflexive anti-Zionism and anti-Americanism. She shares personal anecdotes about conversations on feminist Internet listservs she is a part of, where irrelevant rants condemning the "person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation occupation" and "America's support for it" become commonplace. She, also, discusses consequences she has faced as a result of feminist's single-mindedness in politics, such as the time prominent feminist Muriel Fox, cofounder of NOW, warned her not to vote for President Bush in 2004. Chesler argues that a "suicidal" result of these tendencies is its failure to speak out against the crimes committed against women around the world in the name of Islam. Chesler's final chapters focus largely on Islamism and why it should be the foremost concern for feminists today.

on K-man:
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End This Nonsense Now!

As David Gordon stated in Mises.org, supporters of Keynesian economics sometimes claim it to be a crude caricature of the Master that he thought the government has only to spend more money to get us out of a depression and that getting us into debt doesn't matter because we owe it to ourselves. Keynes, it is alleged, was a vastly more sophisticated thinker than this caricature portrays him to be. These defenders may find End This Depression Now! disconcerting. Krugman, who whatever his faults certainly is not lacking in technical sophistication, defends pretty much the cartoon version of Keynesianism that we are told is oversimplified.

He makes unmistakably clear the lesson he intends to convey: the government needs to spend a great deal of money to extricate us from our depressed economic conditions.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 08, 2015, 02:19:57 AM
I snagged a first edition copy of Burroughs' The Wild Boys today, with the awesome cover art. Also on the slab is Kobo Abe's The Woman in the Dunes, by courtesy of Steve Contra.

I'm hyped for The Wild Boys. From wiki:

"The Wild Boys: A Book of the Dead is a novel by Beat Generation author William S. Burroughs. It was first published in 1971 by Grove Press. It depicts a homosexual youth movement whose objective is the downfall of western civilization, set in an apocalyptic late twentieth century.

In 1972, Burroughs wrote a screenplay based on the novel, with the intent of having it produced as a low-budget hardcore pornographic film, and entered into negotiations with gay porn producer Fred Halsted before abandoning the idea at the end of 1972."
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on November 08, 2015, 11:32:36 AM
I'll never really get why super pro-Israeli peeps get so :umad about the Second Intifada. It ended the two-state solution for the foreseeable future and it's not like any of them give a crap about a just conclusion to the situation or an end to the killing.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2015, 11:47:41 AM
Norman Davies Europe: A History.  Pretty sparse and uninteresting now. 
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 08, 2015, 04:48:46 PM
I'll never really get why super pro-Israeli peeps get so :umad about the Second Intifada. It ended the two-state solution for the foreseeable future and it's not like any of them give a crap about a just conclusion to the situation or an end to the killing.
you'll notice our friend opens each of their reviews with something from mises.org or the Daniel Pipes founded Middle East Quarterly (in the exact same template no less). Some in the field are way more interested in drawing normative conclusions about the fanatical brown other than producing actually interesting scholarship. Thankfully, I haven't met any of them.

Norman Davies Europe: A History.  Pretty sparse and uninteresting now.
I see God's Playground brought up a lot wrt general histories of Poland, not sure where Davies slots in with the rest of Western Cold War historiography.
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Post by: Kara on November 08, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
"As David Gordon stated in Mises.org, " had me dead on the floor. In terms of dependent clauses, it doesn't get much better.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 24, 2015, 05:58:22 AM
Finished Sanderson's Mistborn, the third fantasy series I've ever read after reading Dune as a kid, and then recently Song of Ice & Fire which got me back into the genre of political fantasy.  Liked it a lot.  Read quickly, very likeable characters, kind of a politics x oceans eleven mix with some solid world lore building.  My main complaints are that a couple of the story beats were fairly predictable and my biggest complaint is that the last 25% of the book has the fastest rushed pacing I've read in ages.  The book moves at a nice speed for 75% of it, and then tons of stuff happens in the last 150 pages or so and it definitely could've used double the pages for the finale. 

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Hopefully the remaining two books in the trilogy are as good.  Definitely will check them out in the next year.

Although ENDING SPOILERS
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killing the best character in the series kind of makes it seem like the other books won't be as enjoyable.  Kelsier's chapters were the best parts of this book.
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Post by: Raban on November 29, 2015, 12:57:54 AM
I just finished reading this
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and it was a goddamn page turner. I've never really read Bill Burroughs, but I've always had a passing interest in heroin use and this book is all about that and Burroughs' various other vices like propositioning men, drinking himself half to death, selling heroin to keep his habit, fleeing to Mexico to dodge a bid, it's really all in here. What I love the most about this book is how unflinchingly Burroughs portrays his own spiral out of control. He'll have introspective moments about his drug abuse and then the next sentence will describe him slapping his wife around because he suspected her of hiding his stash. In all honesty, I miss authors like this. Burroughs simply doesn't give two shits what you think about him as the narrator, he's just trying to tell you what's what and he does a damn fine job of it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on January 30, 2016, 01:31:22 AM
Flash boys : a Wall Street revolt / Michael Lewis.  - "but in the end, Flash boys is an uplifting read. here are people who have somehow preserved a moral sense in an environment where you don't get paid for that" :lol

....
Operation Shakespeare : the true story of an elite international sting / John Shiffman.  - Bunch of dudes go after stolen military technology, and I assume kill all the brown people involved. I liked this guys other book about art heists or something.
These two were really interesting. I was wrong about Shakespeare, it's a more of fake identities, false purchases and working with "retired" arms dealers to chase up the food chain. The government may still have killed all the brown people involved, but the book didn't say.

Flash Boys has too much promotion of certain people, lots of "they stood looking out the window...this cannot stand!" which reminded me what I hate about Michael Lewis books. But all the stuff about people paying millions to literally have their server moved inches closer to the wall is hilarious and frightening. Ghost Exchange is a decent companion documentary to this.

Just finished:
No one would listen : a true financial thriller / Harry Markopolos with Frank Casey - much better than the Chasing Madoff movie as it actually gets into the details, but is probably way too long and spends too much time rehashing how scared for his life Markopolos was. I mean, we get it, you thought Madoff was going to have you killed even though he never knew you existed.

Reading:
The man in the Rockefeller suit : the astonishing rise and spectacular fall of a serial imposter / Mark Seal. - This is really good so far. German kid heads to America on the back of a bunch of lies, instantly marries some random chick to get residency and bolts to create more fake identities and scams until he's posing as a member of the Rockefeller family and kidnapping his kid.

Best scam: Meets a cardiologist in Las Vegas, tells him "hey! I'm a cardiologist too!" and gets $1500 from the dude before instantly bailing town.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 28, 2016, 12:51:35 PM
This month I've been reading this through book called Aurora by Kim Stanley Robinson. I found it by quite literally googling some sci-fi terms I like and stumbled on it. It's about a generation ship that is en-route to a planet in the Tau Ceti star system - a journey that has taken over 160 years - and the story picks up right when they are very nearly to the destination.

I always find it difficult to know if I like a book because of how slow I tend to read, so I'll be halfway through and realize I'm not really feeling something. This however I am loving. It reminds me of The Martian a bit in how it goes into fairly detailed description of the science aspects of the journey, the issues that the spacefarers being on a closed ship for as long as they have. They talk about the concept of a closed loop ecosystem, the lost of required resources through chemical reactions.

It even goes further in a way I hadn't seen before in that the ship has entire biomes dedicated to wild animal life and the people aboard the ship don't really know if the are actually relevant to the ecosystem. They just know they have to leave them along just in case.

There's even aspects early on where a ship-AI having a monologue about how to create a narrative account of the history of the ship up to current time. The ship's AI struggles with the concept of choices opening up more choices infinitely.

I find the whole thing fascinating. It's also given me a bunch of inspiration regarding some of the sci-fi stories I've been wanting to tell.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Fifstar on March 28, 2016, 03:26:53 PM
Finished up the first Game of Thrones book, which is actually split into two books in the german version. Really fun to read. Haven't seen the tv show either.
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Post by: Rufus on March 28, 2016, 03:32:04 PM
What does the german version do with Martin's little ideosyncracies like Ser instead if Sir and such?
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Post by: Fifstar on March 28, 2016, 04:18:04 PM
Ser is still Ser, no idea about other ones.

I'm reading a new translation that translates all "english tongue" names (Aptronyms?) into german names. Jon Snow becomes Jon Schnee and King's Landing Königsmund. While Königsmund is a bit silly I generally like it this way as english names/words would feel out of place in a foreign fantasy land. Caused quite the uproar among german fans though, especially since the new books only get the new translation.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on March 28, 2016, 11:30:41 PM
Read The Expanse first novel, Leviathan Wakes. I've been off hard SF for a while, and this has been good fun in the old "what is happening here?" vibe that old Larry Niven used to provide for me in childhood, which Kim Stanley Robinson has filled for me in adulthood. Add to that a private detective side to the story, and it has hit just about every note that I find enjoyable in prose.

I'm moving into Peter Watts' Echopraxia, the follow-up to the nihilistic and frightening Blindsight. I suppose this should also count as hard SF, but I'm inclined to put it into existential horror instead.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 29, 2016, 04:41:05 AM
Haven't finished the Witcher yet, but moved on to Fever Pitch

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Nick Hornby has been a football fan since the moment he was conceived. Call it predestiny. Or call it preschool. Fever Pitch is his tribute to a lifelong obsession. Part autobiography, part comedy, part incisive analysis of insanity, Hornby’s award-winning memoir captures the fever pitch of fandom—its agony and ecstasy, its community, its defining role in thousands of young men’s coming-of-age stories. Fever Pitch is one for the home team. But above all, it is one for everyone who knows what it really means to have a losing season.

Norman Davies Europe: A History.  Pretty sparse and uninteresting now.

Man I studied that whole book at Uni  :-\
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 29, 2016, 07:27:35 AM
Read The Expanse first novel, Leviathan Wakes. I've been off hard SF for a while, and this has been good fun in the old "what is happening here?" vibe that old Larry Niven used to provide for me in childhood, which Kim Stanley Robinson has filled for me in adulthood. Add to that a private detective side to the story, and it has hit just about every note that I find enjoyable in prose.

I need to check that out. I enjoyed the first few episodes of the SciFi show but I feel I would enjoy it more in book form.

And once I'm finished with Aurora I'm gonna burn through all of Kim Stanley Robinson other stuff. The Mars Trilogy sounds super cool.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on March 30, 2016, 02:54:55 AM
Read The Expanse first novel, Leviathan Wakes. I've been off hard SF for a while, and this has been good fun in the old "what is happening here?" vibe that old Larry Niven used to provide for me in childhood, which Kim Stanley Robinson has filled for me in adulthood. Add to that a private detective side to the story, and it has hit just about every note that I find enjoyable in prose.

I need to check that out. I enjoyed the first few episodes of the SciFi show but I feel I would enjoy it more in book form.

And once I'm finished with Aurora I'm gonna burn through all of Kim Stanley Robinson other stuff. The Mars Trilogy sounds super cool.

It was your post that encouraged me to write that.

The TV show is different than the novel, but still reasonably faithful. The most surprising thing for me is how so few of the characters are likable in the show. It increases the "DRAMA" level, but doesn't improve the story. It /does/ help get the character interaction out of their heads and into dialog.

If you have any interest in identity/consciousness and neuroscience, you should give Blindsight a spin as well. Bleak though.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 04, 2016, 04:27:43 PM
I want to read a few good murder mysteries. Any good recommendations?
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Post by: Vizzys on June 05, 2016, 05:05:03 AM
Read The Expanse first novel, Leviathan Wakes. I've been off hard SF for a while, and this has been good fun in the old "what is happening here?" vibe that old Larry Niven used to provide for me in childhood, which Kim Stanley Robinson has filled for me in adulthood. Add to that a private detective side to the story, and it has hit just about every note that I find enjoyable in prose.

I need to check that out. I enjoyed the first few episodes of the SciFi show but I feel I would enjoy it more in book form.

And once I'm finished with Aurora I'm gonna burn through all of Kim Stanley Robinson other stuff. The Mars Trilogy sounds super cool.

It was your post that encouraged me to write that.

The TV show is different than the novel, but still reasonably faithful. The most surprising thing for me is how so few of the characters are likable in the show. It increases the "DRAMA" level, but doesn't improve the story. It /does/ help get the character interaction out of their heads and into dialog.

If you have any interest in identity/consciousness and neuroscience, you should give Blindsight a spin as well. Bleak though.

I second this Blindsight recommendation
the "sequel" Echopraxia aint bad either, but its a bit meandering and even more depressing.
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Post by: chronovore on June 06, 2016, 06:08:09 AM
I want to read a few good murder mysteries. Any good recommendations?
T. Jefferson Parker's The Blue Hour was very solid.

If you want to stretch your definition of murder to include a single victim in a larger mass killing, coupled with existential angst, Word Made Flesh by Jack O'Connell was remarkably moving.

I second this Blindsight recommendation
the "sequel" Echopraxia aint bad either, but its a bit meandering and even more depressing.
Yeah, Watts himself said something in the afterword to that effect. Echopraxia is an impressive work, but Blindsight is a tour de force. I was also enamored of the Rifters series, but I was less fond of the final reveal, and felt like it lost a little steam. Still, an impressive body of work.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 02:54:59 AM
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It's framed around Dukakis in the Tank but covers every Presidential campaign since. Bush at the scanner, Dole falling off the stage, Dean's scream, Romney's bad singing, etc.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 09, 2016, 10:21:34 AM
Picked up Masters of Doom. Not even a 10 minutes into the book and there's violent child abuse. Geeze.
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Post by: TVC15 on June 09, 2016, 10:33:06 AM
In my bag now:

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I have a bunch of Graham Greene shit coming my way.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 14, 2016, 10:24:00 PM
I found a guy on amazon who gets real mad when you fuck up something about Keynes: https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A1UI9T8WKJPZN5/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp

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In order to engage me in a civil discussion on Amazon you will need to be able to work out and understand all of the problems solved by George Boole in chapters 16-21 of his "The Laws of Thought" (1854).Demonstrate such a capability and I will be most happy to discusss my work on Keynes's " A Treatise on Probability " with you.Thanks for your comment.

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Impressing the way Keynsians unabated contnue their love-fest for this sharlatan..
I agree with you that Murray Rothbard was a charlatan.Thanks for your comment



These are the best books I've read since October, the last time I posted here:

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https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Experts-Egypt-Techno-Politics-Modernity/dp/0520232623/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465952991&sr=1-1&keywords=rule+of+experts

Simmel's "character of calculability" (Mitchell's terms) + Foucault's governmentality + a little bit of Latour's ANT. An empirical expansion of Mitchell's previous work of the process of creating a bounded national economy, in this case Egypt. Pairs really well with Seeing Like a State which I mentioned in here two Aprils ago.

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https://www.amazon.com/Economists-Societies-Discipline-Profession-Princeton/dp/0691148031/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465954270&sr=1-1&keywords=economists+and+society

Different national institutions create different economists. That's Fourcade's starting point to this monograph, a fleshed out revision of her dissertation. I think the blurb from Tyler Cowen on the back of the book actually summarizes things nicely: "skips exegetical analysis and looks at what the economics profession actually did." Have you ever wondered why French economics is historically intertwined with public engineering? Or how the LSE carved out a space for itself in opposition to Oxbridge? Or how the formalist, etatist Cowles Commission came to be housed in the same building as the Chicago School? If yes, then you'll probably like this book. I did. A lot; it's probably the most useful thing I've read this year.

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https://www.amazon.com/Road-Mont-P%C3%A8lerin-Neoliberal-Collective/dp/0674088344/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465956051&sr=1-1&keywords=the+road+from+mont+p%C3%A8lerin

I posted a chapter from this a while back. The Colloque Walter Lippmann was convened in Paris by a wide array of European intellectuals in the wake of the depression to address the crisis of liberalism and the answers to both laissez-faire capitalism and socialism. This was 1938. For a variety of reasons, the attendees couldn't meet again for another 9 years. When they did, in 1947 at a resort next to Mont Pelerin in Switzerland, they formally established their aims and opposition to the above dogmas, as well as, now, Nazism. Mirowski, Plehwe and their contributing authors in this volume take the Mont Pelerin Society as their heuristic for indexing "neoliberalism," that elusive doctrine whose degree of permeation in the modern world depends primarily on who's talking. The first 4 chapters deal with MPS members in 4 different national contexts, including the German ordoliberals. The later chapters aren't as good, but Mirowski's conclusion is great.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 17, 2016, 12:29:02 PM
Masters of Doom was a great read. Almost would have wanted to get a more pointed look at the development of Doom that goes into minute detail about all the challenges of the technology and design.

Following that up, I saw this pop up in Amazon and decided I had to read it:

Empires of EVE: A History of the Great Wars of EVE Online  (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DONPR0M/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o00_?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

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Empires of EVE: A History of the Great Wars of EVE Online is the incredible true story of the dictators and governments that have risen to power within the real virtual world of EVE Online.

Since 2003, this sci-fi virtual world has been ruled by player-led governments commanding tens of thousands of real people. The conflict and struggle for power between these diverse governments has led to wars, espionage, and battles fought by thousands of people from nations all over the world. There have been climactic last stands, wars for honor and revenge, and spies who caused more damage than a fleet of warships.

Empires of EVE is the history of how political ideas first began to take hold in EVE Online, how that led to the creation of the first governments and political icons, and how those governments eventually collapsed into a state of total war from 2007-2009.

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Post by: TVC15 on June 17, 2016, 05:47:02 PM
Read and loved Brighton Rock this week.  'Twas awesome. There will be more Graham Greene. 

Bought a copy of this in Berkeley today, based on its rep. I'm expecting a hoot.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 17, 2016, 07:23:58 PM
The first volume of Mike Duncan's The History of Rome is available: https://www.amazon.com/History-Rome-Republic-1/dp/0692681663?ie=UTF8&ref_=asap_bc

I really enjoy his podcasts so while this is a cleaned up version of his transcripts, it's still worth reading.
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Post by: chronovore on June 17, 2016, 11:29:50 PM
Read and loved Brighton Rock this week.  'Twas awesome. There will be more Graham Greene. 

Bought a copy of this in Berkeley today, based on its rep. I'm expecting a hoot.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/511cLfIhCvL._SX323_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Bloom said he'd like to remove every copy of the book from every library, everywhere. :lol
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Post by: Crash Dummy on June 18, 2016, 07:16:22 PM
he probably says that about anything not by shakespeare though
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 18, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
btw dis EVE Online book seems pretty rad so far. It started by retelling a skirmish between a Russian player alliance and a Coalition of multiple corps. The Russians were outgunned 6 to 1 and managed to fight off the attackers with superior tactics.

ONE DAY I WILL RETURN TO EVE ONLINE.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 18, 2016, 10:15:59 PM
I've read like 4 Malazan books in a month and a half. 
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Post by: ZephyrFate on June 18, 2016, 11:59:58 PM
^^^ I'm sorry.


Just got The Familiar Vol. 3 (of 27) by Mark Z. Danielewski. He's pumping out novels faster than any author I know of. Can't wait to sink my teeth in further.
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Post by: Vizzys on June 19, 2016, 05:11:12 PM
Finished 2 books


The Fold by Peter Clines 
plot is basically about a teleportation door that scientists make with quantum fuckery.  it works 99% of the time the other 1% ppl come out mutated.
so they hire this main character w photographic memory to solve this shit.
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it uses parallel worlds so when you go through you arent just teleporting but also going to another slightly different multiverse.
Ending gets too weird for me. Cthulu alien type shit, makes sense but it feels thrown in after 2/3rd of a normalish book imo.
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Lots of pop culture references in this book.


Beacon 23 by Hugh Howey

Hyperspace is a thing so NASA makes some "Beacon" stations to warn ships in hyperspace they are about to slam into space rocks and die horribly. The story is about a space war vet who live alone on Beacon 23. he has a talking Rock(?)
This book is pretty awesome not gonna lie.
It reminded me of Enders Game in places. I teared up a bit at points. Very short book, but highly recommend.
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Post by: TVC15 on June 22, 2016, 09:55:43 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/books/review-white-trash-ruminates-on-an-american-underclass.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

This review sold me on this:

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Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 22, 2016, 10:51:21 AM
You know those Kickstarted videogame books with the minimal covers? There's 10 of them and they got books for Metal Gear Solid, Super Mario Bros 2, Chrono Trigger, Shadow of the Colossus.

They're all different in their approach so it's hard to know if any of them will be interesting. I picked up two, Metal Gear Solid which is written by Anthony and Ashly Burch. This one is written as a combination of analyzing the plot, mechanics, and themes of the game and also offering personal anecdotes from the Burch's childhood. It's definitely got their personality all over it so keep that in mind.

The second is the Spelunky book which is written by the creator of the game Derek Yu. This one is MUCH more interesting as it's a postmortum on the game and it's creator. It talks about the development of Spelunky, his past games, the challenges of  getting a game on XBLA, the average sales and then the latter PC and PSN entries. He also frequently discusses his opinions on game design and modern games which is fun.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 22, 2016, 05:52:15 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/books/review-white-trash-ruminates-on-an-american-underclass.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

This review sold me on this:

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Sounds like my kind of book.  Thanks
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Post by: TVC15 on June 24, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
Only like 50 pages in, but it's really good so far.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 04, 2016, 01:33:18 PM
Reading that book, was there ever a time when England wasn't a miserable festering shithole?  Serious question.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 04, 2016, 01:48:55 PM
Reading that book, was there ever a time when England wasn't a miserable festering shithole?  Serious question.

Maybe before the Roman Empire came and made the Druids stop doing Druid stuff all the time?

Note: I don't know what Druid stuff is, but it was probably p. cool.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 04, 2016, 10:58:33 PM
 I just finished Fool Moon the second book of many by Jim Butcher about that urban wizard who is a chauvinist and Luddite. I don't understand why so many of my friends like this series. I struggled through two books,  The nicest thing I can say is that the author seems to be mildly aware of both problematic elements, despite its Mary Sue-Ness.

 I also just finished David Wong's science fiction novel, fancy suits and futuristic violence. It's better written than John dies at the end, but not quite as gonzo, creative, and risky.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Freyj on July 04, 2016, 11:04:17 PM
Keep at it with Dresden. I tried for years and years without success to get through those early books on strong suggestions from people whose opinions I trusted. Butcher's writing generally improves as the stories improve. Summer Knight was probably the first one I can honestly say I enjoyed.

I mean it's always going to be a little schlocky, but it's such good schlock.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on July 09, 2016, 03:44:10 AM
Been poking through The Changing Light at Sandover a second time. Something about this book really gets me.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2016, 09:25:05 AM
Finished Midnight Tides last night.  So damn good.
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Post by: Freyj on July 09, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
I made it halfway through Midnight Tides the last time I tried 5 or 6 years ago, now I'm about 75% through Deadhouse Gates again. I swear to christ I will finish this series this time.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2016, 02:34:18 PM
throw Malazan in the bushes and read The Black Company instead.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 09, 2016, 02:38:45 PM
Some Borean once sent me some Dresden books for Secret Santa and I enjoyed them then, just a simple trashy noir detective

Malazan is trash though like wheels of time
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Freyj on July 09, 2016, 03:12:51 PM
At least Erikson finished the series before he died unlike Jordan and Martin.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2016, 03:19:22 PM
Next person to piss on Malazan gets a black eye and a piss emoticon. 
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 09, 2016, 04:17:26 PM
Youre better of reading an actual history book then malazan

Read the first law trilogy

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2016, 04:28:40 PM
:piss2

Ah now I see Malazan is too mentally demanding for you.  There is no shame in that.  I, on the other hand, can read both Malazan and history books along with your easy reading suggestions. 


Your black eye is in the mail.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 09, 2016, 04:37:24 PM
Its not too demanding, its just a waste of time. Nothing happens but you end up with the density of an actual history book.

I already have a degree in history.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2016, 05:05:51 PM
History aint got 4 meter tall raptors with swords for arms. 
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 09, 2016, 05:07:52 PM
how many hundreds thousands of pages did you read for that

be honest
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2016, 05:16:40 PM
Only 3000 or so. 
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2016, 05:20:50 PM
First Law trilogy
:rejoice

Sand dan Glokta>>>>any boring cardboard super hero in Malazan

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 09, 2016, 06:54:01 PM
There's a scene in I want to say Deadhouse Gates where they're traveling across a desert and run into some nomadic horsemen and one of the characters, who's an academic already familiar with these particular people of course, does some elaborate meeting ritual and Erickson caps it all off with an "as was custom" :dead. The pretentious density is the entire point of Malazan. The differences between it and The Black Company are in degree, not kind. They're both grimdark imaginings of conventional fantasy settings, not all that dissimilar from The Witcher*.

An interesting thing about Malazan is that, for all of the world-building, the world itself doesn't feel big in the same way that say, Arda does. Big in scope, to be sure and there's plenty of shit in it, but part of what makes Middle Earth work is all the shit that Tolkien didn't say about it. The Silmarillion feels like the Bible in that there are a bunch of alien geometries and spatial/temporal ambiguities you just can't square away if you go in with the attitude that everything on the map in the appendix is a 1 for 1 representation of the proverbial thing-in-the-world**. It's why "The West" works as arc words: you're not literally going in a cardinal direction -iirc, he explicitly laid out that if you did, you still wouldn't reach Aman- you're passing a threshold from this world to a far green country with white shores and a swift sunrise. The West is a promise after death. You can do that in fantasy, you can imagine time and space differently. I think that's one of the strongest points in favor of it as a genre and it's why I feel confident in drawing a lineage between Tolkien and works like Beowulf which, for obvious reasons, don't share our modernist sympathies. A lot of contemporary fantasy stuff substitutes our world for one with elves, swords and dragons but keeps intact the assumption that everything is ontologically stable (Magic A is Magic A), and a fair amount of it works just fine -Sanderson and GRRM come to mind. But I also think a lot of it misses the boat (:teehee) on what made the genre so compelling to begin with (for me, at least).


*I've never read them but afaik, Sapkowski deconstructs public domain folk and fairy tales more than post-Tolkien/D&D mass market novels which makes those books a little bit different.

**I have never read Heidegger either :expert
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2016, 08:22:12 PM
One of my favorite Rothfuss quotes was at a Comic Con panel with him alongside GRRM, Diana Gabaldon, and Joe Abercrombie. He was basically saying that because of LOTR/Tolkien's influence a lot of fantasy writers redo various shit "just because" Tolkien did it. World maps/size and languages being one of the biggest offenders. He pointed out Tolkien was a linguist and was also well versed on geography. Most fantasy writers aren't either. So his advice was to instead geek out on something you actually give a shit about. In his case, currency.

GRRM has mentioned that before in terms of fans expecting Tolkien type shit, wanting a complete world map for instance. It's like people don't want any mystery, and certainly no "there be dragons" explanation for why a complete world map doesn't exist for a medieval fantasy world.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2016, 09:15:10 PM
One of my favorite Rothfuss quotes was at a Comic Con panel with him alongside GRRM, Diana Gabaldon, and Joe Abercrombie. He was basically saying that because of LOTR/Tolkien's influence a lot of fantasy writers redo various shit "just because" Tolkien did it. World maps/size and languages being one of the biggest offenders. He pointed out Tolkien was a linguist and was also well versed on geography. Most fantasy writers aren't either. So his advice was to instead geek out on something you actually give a shit about. In his case, currency.

GRRM has mentioned that before in terms of fans expecting Tolkien type shit, wanting a complete world map for instance. It's like people don't want any mystery, and certainly no "there be dragons" explanation for why a complete world map doesn't exist for a medieval fantasy world.

And Erikson's is anthropology/archeology.  You know knowing about ancient unknowable peoples and how, now, non-existant cultures lived and differ from each other.

But geeking out about coins is cool too.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2016, 09:16:14 PM
One of my favorite Rothfuss quotes was at a Comic Con panel with him alongside GRRM, Diana Gabaldon, and Joe Abercrombie. He was basically saying that because of LOTR/Tolkien's influence a lot of fantasy writers redo various shit "just because" Tolkien did it. World maps/size and languages being one of the biggest offenders. He pointed out Tolkien was a linguist and was also well versed on geography. Most fantasy writers aren't either. So his advice was to instead geek out on something you actually give a shit about. In his case, currency.

GRRM has mentioned that before in terms of fans expecting Tolkien type shit, wanting a complete world map for instance. It's like people don't want any mystery, and certainly no "there be dragons" explanation for why a complete world map doesn't exist for a medieval fantasy world.

And Erikson's is anthropology/archeology.  You know knowing about ancient unknowable peoples and how, now, non-existant cultures lived and differ from each other.

But geeking out about coins is cool too.

Kara hold me
:brazilcry
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2016, 09:23:12 PM
Kara doesn't exactly strike me as an emotional support kind of e-friend. 
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 10, 2016, 01:39:28 AM
Maybe rotfuss can effin finish the last book though
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Post by: Freyj on July 10, 2016, 02:59:16 PM
after the last one I don't know how much I really care
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 10, 2016, 03:35:11 PM
well that main guy is so annoying
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: bluemax on July 10, 2016, 03:41:38 PM
One of my favorite Rothfuss quotes was at a Comic Con panel with him alongside GRRM, Diana Gabaldon, and Joe Abercrombie. He was basically saying that because of LOTR/Tolkien's influence a lot of fantasy writers redo various shit "just because" Tolkien did it. World maps/size and languages being one of the biggest offenders. He pointed out Tolkien was a linguist and was also well versed on geography. Most fantasy writers aren't either. So his advice was to instead geek out on something you actually give a shit about. In his case, currency.

GRRM has mentioned that before in terms of fans expecting Tolkien type shit, wanting a complete world map for instance. It's like people don't want any mystery, and certainly no "there be dragons" explanation for why a complete world map doesn't exist for a medieval fantasy world.

Let's be honest though, George just said this because he's lazy and has no idea what any of it should be and it would take him 30 years and 500 tons of queso to figure it out.

Speaking of his rotundness, I recently read that he had been influenced heavily by Tad Williams Sorrow/Memory/Thorn trilogy which I read as a kid and barely remembered so I decided to start reading again. I was kind of surprised to find what I thought was a GURM nonsense word in Nuncle early on. Also the High King has a Hand of the King.
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Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2016, 03:41:39 AM
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Only about 60% through did I look at the back of the book and realize that it's not only from a regular writer for The Nation, but actually published by The Nation. Explains so many questions about the treatment I had in the first few chapters.

Nothing necessarily wrong, but more the tone and focus on stuff, like describing rooms of white men in the style suits of the time type of thing. Constantly describing only certain people as "smarmy" and "selfish" and so on while others are made to look naive they're treated as caught so off guard by the machinations of evil fancy suit types.

I like the sectioning, though some of it is odd, I've noticed too many books lately will just plow through a time period (like "the 1920s") for a chapter without labeling the actually different topic sections within.

Anyway, apparently rich and powerful people have been up to some shenanigans over the last few decades. Somebody needs to tell them to cut it out.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2016, 11:35:51 AM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2016, 07:54:18 PM
Remembered the other thing about the banker book I wanted to. It's that now progressive style history. It starts in 1905 and everything ever is only in and because of the United States, especially all global events. Banker families that dominated Mediterranean Trade and were actual originators of many of the practices described as being created in the 1920s and 2000s? Huh? What? Europe at all? It had two wars during the 20th century. Asian market collapse in the late 1990s? Happened but here's fifty pages about the REPEAL OF GLASS-STEAGALL causing ENRON and also twice as many pages about Bill Clinton being impeached as the Asian collapse and the Euro together. Oh and it was probably actually all caused by NASDAQ.

It would help if it was less scattershot and stuck to the "President's bankers" theme instead of constant drifting into the "here's how the Big Six Banks caused everything in the last hundred years" theme.
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Post by: eleuin on July 11, 2016, 09:28:38 PM
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Post by: chronovore on July 11, 2016, 09:36:23 PM
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Great book. Too bad about Simmons' descent into New Caliphate hallucinations.
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Post by: Rufus on July 14, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
There are only so many frontiers, man. No use getting depressed over it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 14, 2016, 05:31:09 PM
Talked to my dad today on the phone and he is reading Malazan  :lol

He is on Chains something now and said "its really getting good now" thats some half praise after 3000 pages

I ordered the Blade Itself for him online while we were on the phone to save his soul
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 14, 2016, 07:03:25 PM
Started The Quantum Thief by Hannu Rajaniemi. I am enjoying the ride but I have very little idea what the hell is going on. Lots of social and political references to the book's social structures are used casually, likely with more context to follow -- but apparently if I had a more broad understanding of Europe's relationship to the former Soviet Union I would have a more intrinsic understanding already.

edit: Ah, I am far from alone in my reaction:
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Criticism for the novel has generally centred on Rajaniemi's sparse "show, don't tell" writing style. Brown notes that "the author makes no concessions to the lazy reader with info-dumps or convenient explanations." Niall Alexander, of the Speculative Scotsman, states that "had there been some sort of index, [he] would have gladly (and repeatedly) referred to it during the mind-boggling first third of The Quantum Thief", while proclaiming the novel to be "the sci-fi debut of 2010."
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 14, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
Half way though bonehunters in 4 days.  OMG that Y'Ghatan chapter
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
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Was quite good, but ESPN posted way too many excerpts I read. Also, it oddly skips over whole classes of high school entrants. Darius Miles for example doesn't even get mentioned in the book IIRC. (Doubly odd since Abrams apparently was a former Clippers beat writer.)

I'd argue he was the first real HS "bust" in that his immaturity derailed his career because he refused to work on his game, focused on the money, etc. Leon Smith had mental issues and Bender had injury issues.

It also doesn't really hit on some of the last two class members like Kendrick Perkins, Shaun Livingston, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, etc. who carved out successful careers, made All-Star teams, made incredible comebacks and altered their games, etc. It more or less stops at Kwame and the Baby Bulls while only briefly touching on Dwight. Other than the LeBron coverage obviously.

He seems to suggest that the Pacers-Pistons brawl was the catalyst for the age limit.

Would have been interesting to see the book at least grapple some with the one-and-done phenomenon that replaced it at arguably a larger level than HS draftees ever were. Also the roughly equivalent international explosion. It started at the same time and many of the players were not any older. Dirk would have been the same "class" as Rashard Lewis and Al Harrington had they gone to college.

Also, the new/feared trend of bypassing college for Europe/D-League like Brandon Jennings, Mudiay, etc. Jeremy Tyler skipping his junior year of high school.

But I'm being a bit harsh probably because it started off very well but the end of the book is really quite a let down. And also it made me think about all the detailed garbage I'd write that nobody would want to read.

One thing I didn't know was that Kobe was determined to come out well before KG did, and was actually upset he didn't get to be the first modern high schooler and KG had not only taken that away but also encouraged others like Jermaine O'Neal to come out the same year.

Both Tyson Chandler and Tracy McGrady were distrustful of the "movers and shakers" that latched onto them early and got them into camps and stuff but figured they would be easy to dispose of...and they did. :lol McGrady gave his original two agents/management/handlers/etc. (who had gotten him into the ACBD camps, private prep school, etc. when he was a nobody in late 1996) roughly $100,000 of his rookie contract and had ditched them well before he signed with Orlando.

Isiah Thomas considered drafting both KG and Kobe if he had the chance but was afraid all the garbage veterans he had picked up in the expansion draft would ruin them. Considering Alvin Robertson and Oliver Miller were both on the inaugural Raptors roster that was probably a good move.

Also, the teams were setting up all these programs and networks for overseeing the kids but they punted it to the league to handle after the age limit came in. As if one semester of college does much. :lol
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Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2016, 09:18:47 AM
I'm finishing reading Ilf & Petrov "Letters from America" that they wrote on a official trip organized by the USSR in 1935. There's a lot of good snippets to quote there, as they went from NY to SF then Hollywood before coming back through the South meeting along the way the people at the Edison labs, Ford and assisted to congressional hearings (with banker Morgan) and a press conference by FDR... But I am let down, to be honest. The sizable foreword provides context for the trip, the political climate in the USSR, why they were chosen, how their driver (a former GE engineer and his wife) was in fact a Lettonian working for Soviet intelligence, how censorship  the "plot holes" in Ilf & Petrov reporting which suggest Ilf never contracted the illness he officially dead from later on or that the two authors were maybe used to some intelligence missions on the side... It's all much more meaty than the letters themselves.  :-\

I have a ton of small Russian and Soviet novels to go through, thanks to the library in the city I moved in.
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Post by: Beezy on July 20, 2016, 12:07:29 PM
The Sellout by Paul Beatty
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 22, 2016, 11:41:06 PM
Finished Bonehunters.  Gonna read Night of Knives next. 
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 23, 2016, 10:35:12 PM
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 23, 2016, 10:38:33 PM
I have a ton of small Russian and Soviet novels to go through, thanks to the library in the city I moved in.

Keep us updated as to what you are reading.  I really enjoy books about Russia and the USSR.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 24, 2016, 02:22:54 AM
I have a ton of small Russian and Soviet novels to go through, thanks to the library in the city I moved in.

Keep us updated as to what you are reading.  I really enjoy books about Russia and the USSR.

Will do. I grabbed Pauline Sachs which apparently made an impression a Dostoïevski, a twisted romantic tale of a man  letting his young wife live with a more fiery rival under the condition he must make her happy, a Boulgakov novel about Molière and The inhabited island by Strougatski brothers (A friend also borrowed me Stalker and should finish Hard to be a god soon).

From the Strougatskis I already read Tale of the Troika and Definitely maybe and I really liked that. The dry, elliptic writing style combined with some of the rather high concept science fiction and sometimes surrealist turns works really well. Maybe that's an outsider perspective, but you also can't miss the soviet perspective in those tales of all controlling, sometimes absurdly bureautractic societies and it reinforces the otherness of the worlds presented throughout.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on August 10, 2016, 07:15:45 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/ask-sci-fi-legend-william-gibson-where-the-heck-he-thin-1784987666

io9 hosted a Q&A session for William Gibson. A sadly very brief read, but some good insight to his process.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 15, 2016, 12:22:43 PM
halfway though reaper's gale.  Damn good.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 15, 2016, 12:38:06 PM
I'm in the habit now where I alternate between reading five or six books instead of reading and finishing them one at a time.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 17, 2016, 08:53:51 PM
Finished Reaper's Gale.  :(

Going to do return of the crimson guard next.
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Post by: chronovore on August 23, 2016, 10:40:34 AM
Just finished The Quantum Thief, which I'd heard a good deal about and had been looking forward to for ages.

I have almost no idea of what happened, except the very end involving entirely new characters, and was a setup for the second book in the series.

The book was rich with good ideas, but some syntactic conceits used in text didn't translate to the audiobook and left me at a loss.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2016, 03:14:14 AM
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very quite good, it's not a Teddy lovefest like normal, which is great because he's a more interesting figure (and gasp...actual politician) than the worshipped apolitical all-principled demigod McCain and others write of him as

couldn't help but find some parallels to the recent primaries with Sanders (running against the Party he wanted to control) and Trump (all sorts of stops trying to be pulled out to derail a candidate who kept winning over the electorate) also stuff like the media hyping a hopefully contested conventions, campaign staff shuffles leading to cries of selling out, a movement (womens suffrage in this case) heckling the "progressive" candidate for their lack of interest in the issue*, a single issue becoming a strange litmus test (in this case referendums overturning judicial decisions), etc.

really goes into a lot of detail about BEFORE TR split off to run his own party which is where a lot of history of this campaign has always seemed to START (or well, start at the GOP convention which led to the split) and i find the pregame jockeying of the pre-1972 era to be one of the more interesting aspects of it, yet it's rarely covered in campaign histories

also love all the old fun bullshit from back in the day, Teddy's team bends over backwards to manufacture a "draft" for himself after La Follette starts getting traction as a challenger to Taft (much like Eugene McCarthy against LBJ...which let Robert Kennedy jump in) since you couldn't be seen as wanting it back then (FDR later did something similar for his third term attempt) and then later they claim that his phone and telegraph are being tapped by Taft which is why he has to head to Chicago for the Convention (back then candidates, who were not delegates at least, didn't head to the convention in person...something FDR also broke tradition on) with the goal of basically trying to get the delegates to switch to him by his merely appearing

and in even more parallels with today, all sorts of people who were basically just taking money from TR's bankrollers and not actually accomplishing anything for the campaign or even being detrimental to the efforts, all the while everyone refused to tell TR anything he wouldn't want to hear and he stuck to his own friendly media bubble

*TR felt that women shouldn't be forced to vote as it was beneath their gender to get involved in politics and suffrage would force them to vote for some reason...Taft apparently didn't think it needed a constitutional amendment
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2016, 09:30:47 AM
Reading Providence has got me stoked for the Alan Moore's new book.

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Fierce in its imagining and stupefying in its scope, Jerusalem is the tale of everything, told from a vanished gutter.

In the epic novel Jerusalem, Alan Moore channels both the ecstatic visions of William Blake and the theoretical physics of Albert Einstein through the hardscrabble streets and alleys of his hometown of Northampton, UK. In the half a square mile of decay and demolition that was England’s Saxon capital, eternity is loitering between the firetrap housing projects. Embedded in the grubby amber of the district’s narrative among its saints, kings, prostitutes, and derelicts, a different kind of human time is happening, a soiled simultaneity that does not differentiate between the petrol-colored puddles and the fractured dreams of those who navigate them.

Employing, a kaleidoscope of literary forms and styles that ranges from brutal social realism to extravagant children’s fantasy, from the modern stage drama to the extremes of science fiction, Jerusalem’s dizzyingly rich cast of characters includes the living, the dead, the celestial, and the infernal in an intricately woven tapestry that presents a vision of an absolute and timeless human reality in all of its exquisite, comical, and heartbreaking splendor.

In these pages lurk demons from the second-century Book of Tobit and angels with golden blood who reduce fate to a snooker tournament. Vagrants, prostitutes, and ghosts rub shoulders with Oliver Cromwell, Samuel Beckett, James Joyce’s tragic daughter Lucia, and Buffalo Bill, among many others. There is a conversation in the thunderstruck dome of St. Paul’s Cathedral, childbirth on the cobblestones of Lambeth Walk, an estranged couple sitting all night on the cold steps of a Gothic church front, and an infant choking on a cough drop for eleven chapters. An art exhibition is in preparation, and above the world a naked old man and a beautiful dead baby race along the Attics of the Breath toward the heat death of the universe.

An opulent mythology for those without a pot to piss in, through the labyrinthine streets and pages of Jerusalem tread ghosts that sing of wealth, poverty, and our threadbare millennium. They discuss English as a visionary language from John Bunyan to James Joyce, hold forth on the illusion of mortality post-Einstein, and insist upon the meanest slum as Blake’s eternal holy city.

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Hardcover: 1280 pages

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 03, 2016, 11:40:24 PM
Finshed return of the crimson guard.  Disappointing ending.  The middle was pretty good.  He really could have cut down on like half the story lines though. 

Gonna start Toll the Hounds tonight.  Really excited for it going back to Genabackis. 
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Post by: Steve Contra on October 12, 2016, 02:05:09 PM
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Just finished this.  It's a fictionalized but incredibly well researched portrait of the rise of the Mexican Cartels in the early 2000s.  I had just finished watching Narcos and these guys make Escobar look like some anachronistic gentlemen from a bygone era.  Definitely takes a strong stomach to get through.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2016, 07:14:13 AM
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Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2016, 11:31:36 PM
Finally finished reading Mistborn Book 2 by Brandon Sanderson after a couple of months.  It's entertaining enough, but really is a C+ grade Game of Thrones politicking fantasy and suffers from middle book in a trilogy issue where the last 200 pages are essentially just setting up the story for the 3rd book.  Will read some other stuff and then finish out the 3rd book and see how the plot is overall.  First book was better for sure even if it was a bit Star Wars a New Hope x Fantasy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2016, 12:23:44 AM
Finally finished reading Mistborn Book 2 by Brandon Sanderson after a couple of months.  It's entertaining enough, but really is a C+ grade Game of Thrones politicking fantasy and suffers from middle book in a trilogy issue where the last 200 pages are essentially just setting up the story for the 3rd book.  Will read some other stuff and then finish out the 3rd book and see how the plot is overall.  First book was better for sure even if it was a bit Star Wars a New Hope x Fantasy.

Try The Lies of Locke Lamora if you want some unusual, fun, and humorous fantasy that is still grounded.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 06:41:00 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41tp5hVJ5pL.jpg)

i would have titled it Pants On Fire
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 06, 2016, 07:13:17 AM
Any good?
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Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:37:16 PM
Yeah, it's alright. It's kinda weird for an academic press book though and the guy trips up on his critiques a lot. A lot of his examples I have to look up because he explains events poorly and they're from like 2012. The most interesting probably is the interviews with so-called "real" fact checkers like PolitiFact who turn down their noses at Media Matters and such partisan fact checkers. He argues, and I agree, that the partisan fact checkers play a valuable role since sometimes they're the only ones who even dare criticize certain topics, let alone media figures which the others won't touch.

I had no clue PolitiFact franchised itself out and pursued litigation against people for using "pants on fire" and other "trademarks" of their brand. That and other stuff about how the places work and stuff is the other most interesting stuff probably. He worked a few months with them on stuff.



As an aside, just to comment on the Supreme Court book above. It's supposed to be like how the Burger Court was the first steps of the horrible slide to the hellscape that is the Roberts Court. But the book utterly fails at this except for a couple examples. Most of the book is about how the Burger Court expanded free speech protections, abortion rights, womens rights, civil rights, etc. and then the authors complain that they didn't go outside the cases to do something like make quotas for women in every industry and have them paid more.

The funny part is that part of the book praises Ruth Bader Ginsburg for her incremental approach to bringing Supreme Court cases to get small wins that add up, when the book basically paints the Burger Court as doing exactly this.

The worst example was basically complaining that sure the Burger Court may have decided Roe v. Wade and a whole bunch of other birth control cases that freed these up for women from state laws. But the real horrid legacy is that the evil white men on the court (the book seriously reminds you that they're mostly white men over and over) refused to understand the real troubles of women and mandate that all forms of birth control be free forever. Also, by improving womens rights they undermined the ERA which might have passed if they had refused to improve them!

The good part is all the internal hubbub from the private papers and stuff since they're all dead. Like Roe v. Wade, that was like the Tuesday case, nobody even cared about it. Some other case everyone has forgotten was the important one that term but only one anyone remembers. Also arguments back and forth and then angry dissents. Stuff getting personal like Burger and Blackmun being friends for decades and then after five years on the Court together no longer speaking for the rest of their lives. I should read the one Bob Woodward book, it apparently has more of this kind of stuff, and is regarding the same Court.

The one Oliver Wendall Holmes circlejerk book was good for that kind of stuff and gossip and little spats, even if all of it was being twisted to make him seem like a demigod in a room full of morons who couldn't grasp his genius.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2016, 05:36:26 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2016, 06:16:54 PM
Let me know if Midway's PS2 Joust reboot is in there. That was my last project before jumping ship to Japan.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 06, 2016, 06:40:53 PM
I got that too!  Skimmed a little but haven't read yet.  Book is massive!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: team filler on November 06, 2016, 06:58:12 PM
Reading these two. American Gods I'm reading through for the second time, but I've never read the 10th anniversary edition. Which I am reading now.

(http://imgur.com/yFqg2PW)

(http://imgur.com/wzkCPah)
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Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2016, 08:38:29 PM
Let me know if Midway's PS2 Joust reboot is in there. That was my last project before jumping ship to Japan.

Will do! It's a pretty big book (480 pages!) and I'm only on the SNES section now. Some interesting things were in development that I didn't know about... Fallout 3 was originally gonna be a completely different game codenamed "Van Buuren". Overhead and more like the first 2. Also there was another game based on The Witcher in development years before CD Projekt's, it was gonna be a linear 3rd person action adventure. And a Myst game called "The Adventures Beyond The D'ni Ultraworld". Sounds like there are some fellow Orb fanboys in the dev team!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 06, 2016, 10:22:45 PM
Reading these two. American Gods I'm reading through for the second time, but I've never read the 10th anniversary edition. Which I am reading now.

(http://imgur.com/yFqg2PW)

(http://imgur.com/wzkCPah)

Nice!  I'm going on vacation tomorrow and bringing Anansi Boys to read for the first time.  Really looking forward to the TV adaptation of American Gods in January.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2016, 08:29:47 PM
Finished Anansi Boys, good read.  What surprised me was that the book was a very british comedy adventure considering American Gods is played pretty straight.  Anansi Boys had some really funny stuff like the lime scene.  But yeah, I just enjoyed how British humor it was.  The oddball stuff reminded me of a Douglas Adams novel.

No idea how they can incorporate any of this into American Gods TV, but if the more they can, the better.  The African animal mythology stories were great.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: tiesto on November 16, 2016, 09:39:36 PM
Chrono - no PS2 Joust reboot but there's an article on a Joust reboot for the N64...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: etiolate on November 16, 2016, 10:13:40 PM
read Norm MacDonald's book

it's funny

it's fiction, and if you take it as a real autobiography, he will be upset
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Syph on November 27, 2016, 06:41:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/X7ll8Kp.jpg)

pretty good so far
not something i'd usually read and the jacket really turned me off, but I've plugged through and it's been very interesting
definitely thought-provoking
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2016, 12:40:03 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 12, 2016, 09:00:04 PM
About the author: ZACHARY AUBURN is a writer and artist whose 'zines include an analysis of every outfit worn by the Golden Girls in the first season, a Choose Your Own Adventure about a tortured relationship (which Slate called a "small masterpiece"), and a field guide to the aliens on Star Trek.


:jasoncollins
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2016, 07:32:44 PM
the back of the book has a list of "other books in the How To Talk To Your Cat About series" that I wish were real:
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  • 9/11
  • Abortion Holocaust
  • Being Adopted
  • Biblical Literalism
  • Cats
  • Chemtrails
  • U.S. Corporate Tax Policy
  • Disabling Quantum Cryptography
  • Divorce
  • Eating Disorders
  • Fluroide and Mind Control
  • Gamergate
  • Georgia O'Keeffe
  • Global Warming
  • The Gnostic Gospels
  • Grand Unified Theory
  • Hippies
  • Hosting a Dinner Party
  • Immigration
  • ISIS
  • Jesus
  • Learning to Drive
  • Miscegenation
  • The Moon Landing Hoax
  • The Moral Majority
  • The New World Order
  • Objectivism
  • Online Dating
  • P versus NP
  • Phrenology
  • Planning for Retirement
  • Political Correctness
  • Postmodern Architecture
  • Project MKUltra
  • The Rand Corporation
  • Recursive Evaluation Functions in Neural Networks
  • The Riemann Hypothesis
  • Santa Claus
  • Scientology
  • Secret Minecraft Techniques
  • Sharia Law
  • Social Justice Warriors
  • States Rights
  • The Teapot Dome Scandal
  • The Afterlife
  • The Articles of the Confederacy
  • The Lost Tribes of Israel
  • The Tunguska Event
  • Thimerosal
  • Third Wave Feminism
  • The person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Menace
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on December 13, 2016, 07:53:54 PM
Why would you talk to your cat about Tunguska, since those little shards of Bast are responsible for it?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2016, 06:16:35 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/711KFfadFGL.jpg)

very much like the SNL and ESPN books (Live From New York and Those Guys Have All The Fun) where it's 95+% interview content as oral history, not paragraphs of story and/or analysis

covers the founding to about 1992

the first modern music videos were apparently devised by British bands so as to avoid having to actually show up and play on various TV programs that all wanted them to appear over and over

laziness  :rejoice
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2016, 10:53:09 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/711KFfadFGL.jpg)

very much like the SNL and ESPN books (Live From New York and Those Guys Have All The Fun) where it's 95+% interview content as oral history, not paragraphs of story and/or analysis

covers the founding to about 1992

the first modern music videos were apparently devised by British bands so as to avoid having to actually show up and play on various TV programs that all wanted them to appear over and over

laziness  :rejoice

Maybe get a blister on their little finger. Maybe get a blister on their thumb.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 18, 2016, 10:26:46 PM
snip
So I wanna come back to this post because finals just ended last week and shawty hasn't chirped back and I've spent the ensuing free time working through some of Tolkien's letters, which wound this interpretation (but not fatally, imo). The leitmotif throughout this (brief) investigation has been the reframing of the legendarium within Tolkien's own religiosity. As he himself wrote to his son in Letter 172:
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The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work.
Pace the above Word of God, Middle-Earth is not entirely reducible to tolkiens catholicism, but it was undoubtedly informed by it. At any rate, here's what I've come up with.

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The West is a promise after death.
This is untenable, per Letter 237:
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The passage over Sea is not Death. The 'mythology' is Elf-centered. According to it there was at first an actual Earthly Paradise, home and realm of the Valar, as a physical part of the earth.
From this and the 2 articles from the literature I looked at, Aman, or the 'Undying Lands', is closer to Eden after the expulsion than Celestial Paradise as such. So, a real, physical place on Arda, not a transcendent afterlife. The emendation "there was at first" is important here, Aman/Valinor was submerged after the numenoreans tried to reach it in the Silmarillion. It still exists, and is what Frodo and Bilbo sail towards, it's just been in occultation since the Second (I think?) Age. From letter 325:

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The ‘immortals’ who were permitted to leave Middle-earth and seek Aman — the undying lands of Valinor and Eressëa, an island assigned to the Eldar — set sail in ships specially made and hallowed for this voyage, and steered due West towards the ancient site of these lands. They only set out after sundown; but if any keen-eyed observer from that shore had watched one of these ships he might have seen that it never became hull-down but dwindled only by distance until it vanished in the twilight: it followed the straight road to the true West and not the bent road of the earth’s surface. As it vanished it left the physical world. There was no return. The Elves who took this road and those few ‘mortals’ who by special grace went with them, had abandoned the ‘History of the world’ and could play no further part in it.

The angelic immortals (incarnate only at their own will), the Valar or regents under God, and others of the same order but less power and majesty (such as Olórin = Gandalf) needed no transport, unless they for a time remained incarnate, and they could, if allowed or commanded, return.

As for Frodo or other mortals, they could only dwell in Aman for a limited time — whether brief or long. The Valar had neither the power nor the right to confer ‘immortality’ upon them. Their sojourn was a ‘purgatory’, but one of peace and healing and they would eventually pass away (die at their own desire and of free will) to destinations of which the Elves knew nothing.

So what I said here:
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It's why "The West" works as arc words: you're not literally going in a cardinal direction -iirc, he explicitly laid out that if you did, you still wouldn't reach Aman- you're passing a threshold from this world to a far green country with white shores and a swift sunrise.
Is also not true. You are actually going due west, it's just that this isn't physically possible for mortals who haven't been beknighted with divine favor. Whether that's an actually meaningful distinction I'll leave for the reader to decide. You are still passing a threshold though. Once you've gone, you exit history, which makes that last paragraph interesting: if Frodos not dead yet, and still mortal, the only thing left for him to do is willingly kill himself to reach a "destination of which the Elves know nothing." Whether that undiscovered country is the same thing as Celestial Paradise? Who knows.
 
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The Silmarillion feels like the Bible in that there are a bunch of alien geometries and spatial/temporal ambiguities you just can't square away if you go in with the attitude that everything on the map in the appendix is a 1 for 1 representation of the proverbial thing-in-the-world...You can do that in fantasy, you can imagine time and space differently. I think that's one of the strongest points in favor of it as a genre and it's why I feel confident in drawing a lineage between Tolkien and works like Beowulf which, for obvious reasons, don't share our modernist sympathies.
So, this is the rub and I think it's still broadly defensible. Tolkien always hedges his remarks in these letters. Lines like "The 'mythology' is Elf-centered" are symptomatic and 100% deliberate. I initially had a tough time squaring away that kind of language with this new insight on Aman/Valinor but what I think he's doing here is creating a space for competing interpretations in-universe. Whether Iluvatar sunk the undying lands in moral retribution for the numenoreans hubris or a cataclysmic physical event ocurred that profoundly changed the geography of middle earth isn't the point. The point is to imitate the texts that run these distinctions together. The legendarium is misty in the same way the Beowulf we've inherited is.


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**I have never read Heidegger either :expert
The allusion to Heidegger's in-der-Welt-sein, or, being-in-the-world, doesn't work here. You could've picked literally any other writer in the continental phenomenological tradition to make this joke. But you didn't. And that's ok. We learn, we grow, we special fellow :expert.




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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2016, 08:16:29 PM
Almost done with 'It'

Kinda Meh.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2016, 08:43:58 PM
Reading/plugging my good friend's first novel, Directorate 51: Revelation (http://Directorate 51: Revelation), an Amazon Kindle exclusive. If you've got a buck and change to spare it'd help the guy out. :)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2016, 08:44:29 PM
Almost done with 'It'

Kinda Meh.

It picks up with the underaged gangbang at the end. :jared
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on December 30, 2016, 09:32:46 PM
Does sonic have a penis on that cover?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2016, 09:39:57 PM
Almost done with 'It'

Kinda Meh.

It picks up with the underaged gangbang at the end. :jared

Reading now.  WTF
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2016, 09:46:56 PM
LOL the fat kid got the biggest dick. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2016, 10:03:57 PM
Stephen King: Cocaine's a hell of a drug.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2016, 10:13:49 PM
LOL the fat kid got the biggest dick. 

Um, spoilers! :maf
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2016, 10:17:07 PM
LOL the fat kid got the biggest dick. 

Um, spoilers! :maf

Should be obvious.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2016, 10:18:32 PM
Pretty sure he was off of drugs when he wrote this one. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2016, 10:41:49 PM
They killed like 100 people in the flood just to save like 10 kids every 30 years, lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2016, 10:43:35 PM
They killed like 100 people in the flood just to save like 10 kids every 30 years, lol

I'd make the same sacrifice to kill a spider tbh.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2016, 10:45:05 PM
If you consider those peoples potential children over time, I think the losers club is looking at a net loss of live from their antics.  Never trust a fucking turtle.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 02, 2017, 02:06:37 PM
Started back up midway through Toll the Hounds after being too stressed to read for 3 months.  First chapter I get to, more Bridge Burners dying :( 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 02, 2017, 02:57:56 PM
I'm gonna be posting in here a lot over the next year... I've decided to fail spectacularly and read a new (to me) book each week of 2017.

Up first: Neuromancer by William Gibson. Hard to believe I've never read this. About 2/3 of the way through it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 02, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
Ya I'm going to be posting so much in this thread, so prepare your post-holes. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2017, 06:27:19 PM
Me too. Going to increase my book reading by ∞% this year (since I read zero books this year.)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 02, 2017, 07:24:44 PM
Me too. Going to increase my book reading by ∞% this year (since I read zero books this year.)

You should read a book on math. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2017, 07:43:15 PM
Me too. Going to increase my book reading by ∞% this year (since I read zero books this year.)

You should read a book on math.

Gimme recs breh.

Edit- Wait isn't it infinite?

http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/qq/database/qq.09.05/joseph1.html
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 02, 2017, 08:25:21 PM
No you have a divide by 0, which makes the whole thing undefined. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2017, 08:28:16 PM
Look, you use your math and I'll use mine.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 02, 2017, 08:30:10 PM
You're using rebel math

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2017, 08:33:56 PM
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However, 0/0 is still undefined on the Riemann sphere, but defined in wheels.

BS. 0/0 is obviously 1.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on January 02, 2017, 08:39:13 PM
In college, I took college algebra which was the lowest non-remedial offered because I only needed the one math credit. (I had done like past AP-calculus and stuff already but didn't want to bother with any actual work for a required core credit.)

One day, like ten people in the class were arguing with the professor for like twenty minutes that 2/2 = 0 because when you divide something by itself you have nothing left.

I did beat Metroid: Zero Mission tho
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2017, 08:42:40 PM
In college? :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Rufus on January 03, 2017, 08:42:28 AM
I want to laugh, but the only way I know how to explain why they were wrong would be to repeat what I learned when I was little, which is "how many times this number fits into this other number".
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 03, 2017, 09:57:39 AM
In college, I took college algebra which was the lowest non-remedial offered because I only needed the one math credit. (I had done like past AP-calculus and stuff already but didn't want to bother with any actual work for a required core credit.)

One day, like ten people in the class were arguing with the professor for like twenty minutes that 2/2 = 0 because when you divide something by itself you have nothing left.

I did beat Metroid: Zero Mission tho

I beat Metroid: 2/2 Mission :smug
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2017, 10:07:32 AM
Eventually the professor was so frustrated she just said "for the purposes of this class any number divided by itself will equal 1!!!"

Thing I never understood is like...did they ignore what their TI-84+ Silver Edition Pluses were telling them?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on January 03, 2017, 12:44:39 PM
In college, I took college algebra which was the lowest non-remedial offered because I only needed the one math credit. (I had done like past AP-calculus and stuff already but didn't want to bother with any actual work for a required core credit.)
Why didn't you just get credit for the AP class? Also, did you never take a stat class? Thought you had some kinda social science major.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2017, 10:37:21 PM
Ya, but those stats classes aren't like...math math.

I didn't take any of the AP tests.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Mandark on January 04, 2017, 12:32:21 AM
In college, I took college algebra which was the lowest non-remedial offered

I didn't take any of the AP tests.

This is some kinda The Murder of Roger Ackroyd situation where the twist is you're really the one who's bad at math, isn't it?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2017, 12:34:55 AM
No, I said I beat Metroid: Zero Mission.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Shrew on January 18, 2017, 12:27:16 AM
Been in a nostalgia mood lately, so I've been reading some older Fantasy books I read as a kid to see how they held up. Shannara, Thomas Covenant, Dragonlance, etc.

Most of them held up pretty well, if a little cheesy, because they're aimed at younger readers.

And then I read the Xanth books. Holy shit, the Xanth books  :crazy

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Shrew on January 25, 2017, 10:58:14 PM
Wrapped up the Malazan books.

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While reading it, I thought it was the greatest thing ever, but during the last book, everything sort of fizzled. I dunno. Same thing happened with Wheel of Time. Shit is cool and awesome, but I got no sense of closure, the World and story got too big, too many story lines, what the fuck happened to this guy, and whatnot.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 25, 2017, 11:07:28 PM
I just started Dust of Dreams
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2017, 09:21:29 AM
Here's what I have on my nightstand, which should I read next?

The City & the City - China Mieville
Lord of Light - Roger Zelazny
The Stress of Her Regard - Tim Powers
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Steve Contra on January 30, 2017, 01:37:31 PM
City and the City

Lord of Light is also p. cool.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 30, 2017, 06:52:12 PM
Here's what I have on my nightstand, which should I read next?

The City & the City - China Mieville
Lord of Light - Roger Zelazny
The Stress of Her Regard - Tim Powers


I had a difficult time finishing that Powers' book. I'm interested to hear what you think of it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2017, 03:45:46 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZjDS1hAUL.jpg)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71kM9kSuaFL.jpg)

both of these felt like what you'd produce because your 200 page book is due in three days but you've got the wikipedia pages and linked articles already printed out and spread out on the floor in chronological order of events
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2017, 06:33:03 AM
next/now:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51nlx40lSpL.jpg)

An oral/interview history like the MTV book above. Covers up through the TOS movies.

One thing that I noted because of reading the Seinfeld book just prior. In that case, neither Larry David nor Jerry Seinfeld had any familiarity with sitcoms and how they were to be written and so on, later they brought in writers from SNL/etc. In Trek's case, initially they had no experience with science fiction, it was later that the names came in.

Also, on Seinfeld every script went through Larry David who would re-write it totally at times hollowing out the original script, same with Gene.

And yes, there's a TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT follow up I suspected was coming but didn't know was already out:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51rmpO5Pf8L.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2017, 10:16:17 AM
Here's what I have on my nightstand, which should I read next?

The City & the City - China Mieville
Lord of Light - Roger Zelazny
The Stress of Her Regard - Tim Powers

I had a difficult time finishing that Powers' book. I'm interested to hear what you think of it.

I've only read two of his other books, On Stranger Tides and The Anubis Gate, but I liked those two. I'll probably read this after The City & the City.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2017, 10:45:40 PM
Here's what I have on my nightstand, which should I read next?

The City & the City - China Mieville
Lord of Light - Roger Zelazny
The Stress of Her Regard - Tim Powers

I had a difficult time finishing that Powers' book. I'm interested to hear what you think of it.

I've only read two of his other books, On Stranger Tides and The Anubis Gate, but I liked those two. I'll probably read this after The City & the City.

I loved-loved-loved On Stranger Tides. I like Last Call, and unlike most people I thought Earthquake Weather was entrancing.

Something about the setting of The Stress of Her Regard just didn't sit with me. I'm not a huge fan of that period, so maybe that's part of it? The villains certainly worked well, and it was reasonable as horror, but still left me cold.
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Post by: Tasty on February 06, 2017, 12:24:01 AM
Got a Kindle Paperwhite. It really is a huge upgrade. Feels so much more serene and easygoing than reading on a laptop or phone, which I didn't mind before.

Been going through Kevin Smith's "Tough Sh*t: Life Advice from a Fat, Lazy Slob Who Did Good." As a KSmith fan the best part were the chapters on his Miramax experience, going from Harvey Weinstein lapdog to a bitter Weinstein shit-talker. Some good film industry insights here and a couple cautionary tales, much of which boils down to "people aren't saints, so don't idolize them."

Then it turns crass with a chapter or two on him wooing his wife, complete with a dick-sore sex story I didn't ever need to read, but he bookends it with the theme of the book well enough: work hard enough and set your expectations well, and you'll be able to make a living doing what you love.

Pretty much all of the contents of this book are available across various podcasts, but it's worth it for the the various inspiring-as-fuck excerpts. Some pithy examples:

"Leave yourself nowhere to hide and you can live life unguarded."

"You've gotta learn how to dream practically wild while conducting yourself as wildly practical."

"That's all 'talented' adults really are: overgrown children, unwilling to accept standard-issue adulthood."

"The canvas of art is vast; be happy you get to add any color to it, not bitchy about which crayons are taken. Shine with what you got."

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Post by: Bebpo on February 20, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
Just read Ready Player One over the last week as its the monthly book of the book club I joined last month.  I generally stay away from stuff targeted at nerd culture because I'm a fucking hipster, but it's kinda neat reading something where I am exactly the target audience.  While a little corny at times and there was a bit where I felt it kinda dragged, it was fun!  Good book and worth a read for anyone who grew up on gaming.  It's interesting that out of all the fanservice even though I've been a huge gaming fan since Atari 2600 and adventure and stuff, what made me geek out the most was the mecha.  I <3 80s giant robots so much.  Will be interesting to see if they get licenses for all this stuff for the film version.  Cause regardless the movie is gonna be cheesy as fuck, but if it has half the stuff in the final battle I will pay money to see that.
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Post by: chronovore on February 21, 2017, 12:10:20 AM
Just read Ready Player One over the last week as its the monthly book of the book club I joined last month.  I generally stay away from stuff targeted at nerd culture because I'm a fucking hipster, but it's kinda neat reading something where I am exactly the target audience.  While a little corny at times and there was a bit where I felt it kinda dragged, it was fun!  Good book and worth a read for anyone who grew up on gaming.  It's interesting that out of all the fanservice even though I've been a huge gaming fan since Atari 2600 and adventure and stuff, what made me geek out the most was the mecha.  I <3 80s giant robots so much.  Will be interesting to see if they get licenses for all this stuff for the film version.  Cause regardless the movie is gonna be cheesy as fuck, but if it has half the stuff in the final battle I will pay money to see that.

I wanted to like that book so badly. I'm clearly its target audience, but it was so masturbatory and self-serving that I ended up wanting to punch someone.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 11, 2017, 09:25:51 PM
Just finished The Crippled God.  Damn good books.  Can't wait to read more. 
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Post by: chronovore on March 12, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
After listening to and LOVING a shit-ton of Laird Barron's short fiction horror, I have been listening to The Croning, a novel.

Unfortunately, it is disjointed and difficult to follow, as though a series of short stories were forced into some kind of non-sequential stream. It's immensely frustrating, because his short fiction is so damned effective and transportative.

Just finished The Crippled God.  Damn good books.  Can't wait to read more.
I've been wanting to get back to those.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 12, 2017, 02:41:52 PM
God has lifted me up into the multifunction monad from whence I can answer such questions. 0/0 = ℝ, 1/0 = ∅, etc
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 12, 2017, 02:45:24 PM
reading Recitation by Bae Suah, I am pretty bad at reading this book but about a third of the way in I feel I'm starting to get the hang of it
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2017, 06:16:50 PM
woke bae
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 12, 2017, 09:27:34 PM
oh, I'd say so
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Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2017, 07:23:31 PM
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look, i liked this, gave it four stars on goodreads and all, but either write a book about aaron swartz or write a book about the history of copyright don't start the latter and drop it for the former...and yes, you can say monopoly and cartel and that printers did not have a legitimate claim on possessing copyright over the authors if we're to have it exist

also, "the rise of the free culture on the internet" is not a subtitle you can use when one of your fifteen chapters is about it and Richard Stallman and etc. and ten of your chapters are about Swartz's relationships

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for a book that's titled "DISSENT" it's as much about concurring opinions as it is dissenting ones because as the author helpfully explains every ten pages, dissents were rare until the 1950's...AND THEN IT ENDS, like wtf dude how do you write a book about the history of dissents and basically decide to pick two random modern examples, Scalia (gets about ten pages) and Thomas (who gets about two total pages) aren't important to it...this is a 2015 book too!

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written for a more general audience but i liked this better than the professional one a few pages back, off script or whatever it is, that was garbage that spent 500 pages on dukakis in the tank, this was also kinda funny, didn't know the guy had a sense of humor

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subtitle is misleading, as always, but like Operation: Shakespeare I got into this one because it's written more like a fiction-thriller despite being entirely non-fiction...essentially the core of the book is based around the beginnings of MI6 and how the Russian Revolution took it by surprise and all their agents who were in Russia (which was only really about five) were cut off and had to basically invent modern spycraft with many of the people who became the inspirations for James Bond involved...also a dude who had the world's biggest balls and just wandered into Lenin's office one day in the midst of the Red Terror and became his AND Trotsky's friend over mundane things and there after had access to all the important Soviet meetings and even got tipped off by one of them to avoid one when they murdered that meeting of socialists in the theatre i can't remember the name of now :lol

this is where I first got that story about how they used semen as invisible ink for a period

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look, dude, i know you really like the guy, but Harry White is dead, he's not going to come back and blow you because Keynes was an idiot...that said, this wasn't too bad, it's actually worse when it's talking about the economic stuff and better when it's about the diplomatic maneuvering...the funniest part is that the author doesn't seem to have known that White was a Soviet admirer/spy until he started the book, so it's like jammed backwards into the book at certain points but he misses spots where this completely explains the dude's "strange" motives at points

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these two were so fucking bad, not even in a normal bad and the second one makes like five hundred house of cards references like that guy you know who just started watching it at the same time he started reading the intercept

the first one is so bad he refutes his own argument in the second chapter then spends three explaining that you need to ignore that and instead pay attention to a speech Reagan gave 30 years later that doesn't mention "limousine liberals" but was instead a secret message to the KKK, indeed most of the book is about Nixon/Reagan's secret racist appeals and NOT anything to do with the image of the "limousine liberal" which he drops immediately after discussing Goldwater/Rockefeller in 1964 (for reference, the original insult apparently first came from a Democratic candidate running against Mayor John Lindsay and before that a socialist candidate who spread it in his regularly losing campaigns for every office available...he completely fumbles how George Wallace and Nixon's "silent majority" likely stole the concept for the conservative movement without knowing its origin to instead paint some secret alt-right plot that even brings in Trump)
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Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
on deck:
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2017, 07:42:16 PM
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Post by: Trent Dole on March 15, 2017, 03:37:21 AM
That looks like some choose your own adventure type shit there.
I'm almost through with this:
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Basically the key to being good at a thing is to practice the shit out of it, and not just practice the shit out of it, practice the shit out of parts that are extra difficult and challenging to you. Oh, ant it takes about 10 years to be good at a thing so if you aren't already you're probably too old. :gloomy
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2017, 01:29:02 PM
It only took me ~2 months, but I finally got around to reading The City & the City like I planned. It was a good read, I was a little disappointed
spoiler (click to show/hide)
it didn't reveal how the cities were created, but probably any explanation would have just been worse than leaving it unresolved.
[close]
Now I'm starting on Ancillary Justice.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 10, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
So I've been reading a ton of history stuff lately but now I need a fluffy palate cleanser.
Would love a new fantasy or sci-fi series.

I considered doing the Wheel of Time (I had gotten to book 5 and then just gave up when the guy got insufferably emo). Don't know if I want that big of a commitment

I tried "In the name of the Wind" back when it came out. But it fell into the whole "libertopian super man" trope and I gave up on it right quick after the Sword of Truth crap I have little patience for a libertopian super man protagonist.

Any suggestions? Something fun and exciting but also good.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 10, 2017, 02:39:43 PM
Malazan
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 10, 2017, 04:11:51 PM
Malazan
OK, where do I start?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 10, 2017, 04:57:37 PM
gardens of the moon.  You can read the first 5 books in the series before the reading order gets complicated (and even then its not complicated like a lot of people try to make it seem)

Note that GotM was written a decade before the rest of the books and so its writing style is not nearly as good as the rest of the series.  Also its ok that its confusing.  Just roll with it - its part of the experience.   
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 10, 2017, 05:18:11 PM
Ordered! Thanks!
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Post by: chronovore on April 10, 2017, 09:37:12 PM
So I've been reading a ton of history stuff lately but now I need a fluffy palate cleanser.
Would love a new fantasy or sci-fi series.

I considered doing the Wheel of Time (I had gotten to book 5 and then just gave up when the guy got insufferably emo). Don't know if I want that big of a commitment

I tried "In the name of the Wind" back when it came out. But it fell into the whole "libertopian super man" trope and I gave up on it right quick after the Sword of Truth crap I have little patience for a libertopian super man protagonist.

Any suggestions? Something fun and exciting but also good.

Lies of Locke Lamorra – it's a fantasy novel centered around an epic-level grifter/scam artist. Loved it.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2017, 08:22:05 AM
Tetris Effect and Breaking Rockefeller were fun. If you've read Game Over (if not Andrex, then hurry up), you knew the Tetris story, but this had a bit more personal stuff especially about the scams by some of the players and also Nintendo is more of a background figure than central to the story. Even the Tengen dispute only gets a small amount of coverage.

Rockefeller was less about him as much as it was about his competitors attempting to find ways to outmaneuver a slowly decaying Standard Oil and in the process invent all sorts of new things. Rockefeller wasn't even really involved in the oil side of his empire anymore. Some of the more interesting stuff was random dudes figuring out how to actually find oil, figuring out how to build a boat that wouldn't spill oil when it hit anything so they could use the Suez Canal, devising modern pipelines, etc. Standard was mostly just plugging along so it wasn't as interested in figuring out these innovations and was late to enter new markets.

Last through:
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I liked this, it's not written by a guy with much if any history background so it's not ideal but it has a fun premise. The once legendary tome of the Kennedy years was A Thousand Days, this is basically about the next thousand days that are book-ended by Johnson's 1964 landslide and the 1966 counter landslide for the GOP. Framed by Reagan's rise to Presidential politics and his own landslide in the governor's race in California.

The main thing I wonder is whether Nixon wouldn't have been the better counter-figure. Johnson's landslide and 1966 if anything revived Nixon as the only figure acceptable to both wings of the GOP. It was Nixon's fall that pushed Reagan towards the Presidency. (As he acknowledges in the afterword.)

But it's fun, it's not kind to either character, but it's also not attacking nor trying to be overly even-handed. Arguably the only people who get the royal treatment are Lady Byrd and Nancy Reagan.

Next, because I assume it's going to be on people's hold lists so I can't sit on it for three months and plus it's short and unlike his good books appears to be edited versions of his Rolling Stone columns:
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Apparently Trump's election was on the 99th anniversary of the fall of the Winter Palace.

Then look at these two jackasses on the cover of this one:
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 29, 2017, 11:06:34 PM
Ordered! Thanks!

Have you started?  Have you started?     :hyper
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Post by: tiesto on April 30, 2017, 08:42:57 PM
I've been very slowly chipping away at The Wind Up Girl, a post-apocalyptic sci fi novel where peak oil has hit, GMO-induced plagues run rampant, food is scarce, and a civil war in Thailand is brewing between people who want to re-open its protectionist environment up to trade and the nationalist Environment Ministry. Also add in a Japanese sex bot, a Malaysian refugee, and a 'farang' (whitey) agent of one of the GMO companies. It's got an interesting setting, but it's a bit tough to get through due to the use of lots of Thai words and slang, and made up words for the story, with little explanation of them. I'm not sure if I'm really feeling it but I'm about 3/4 of the way through by now.
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Post by: chronovore on April 30, 2017, 08:53:32 PM
I've been very slowly chipping away at The Wind Up Girl, a post-apocalyptic sci fi novel where peak oil has hit, GMO-induced plagues run rampant, food is scarce, and a civil war in Thailand is brewing between people who want to re-open its protectionist environment up to trade and the nationalist Environment Ministry. Also add in a Japanese sex bot, a Malaysian refugee, and a 'farang' (whitey) agent of one of the GMO companies. It's got an interesting setting, but it's a bit tough to get through due to the use of lots of Thai words and slang, and made up words for the story, with little explanation of them. I'm not sure if I'm really feeling it but I'm about 3/4 of the way through by now.

I read that a few months ago, and had a similar reaction. It picks up, and it ends well, but I was not as excited about it as I thought I'd be, from the hype. It's a smart novel, but it was a chore until the last 15% or so.
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Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2017, 03:31:42 AM
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This was by far the worst of these I've looked at. Strangely, they didn't have the guy who did the first half of Presidents continue which is kinda odd.
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“Steven Hayward thinks presidents should be graded on their loyalty to their oath of office. Why, it’s just crazy enough to work!”
--Jonah Goldberg

Government scholar Steven Hayward is ready to debunk some of the biggest presidential myths Americans believe are facts.

In Politically Incorrect Guide to the Presidents, Part 2, he traces the legacy of each president from Wilson to Obama and along the way reveals truths most Americans never heard.

JFK was assassinated by a Communist. FDR had the right to run against Hoover. Wilson openly criticized the Constitution. Barack Obama wanted to include Hiroshima and Nagasaki on his world apology tour, but the Japanese government said no thanks. And the 2000 election did, in fact, reach the correct outcome. Uncover new revelations about each President and prepare yourself for an unvarnished look at the truth.

Now, all of these PIG guides have their obvious viewpoint, but I'm a fan of revisionist histories in general as a concept and some of these were actually decent in the past (when they employed historians instead of MPA's probably but whatever) but this one stops being a history around Nixon and then the Clinton, W. Bush and Obama chapters are just amazing polemics about random shit not even tied to the premise of the book. He doesn't even debunk myths but creates them! He calls Wilson and Obama the only college professors to be President, which not only isn't true but is further complicated by the fact that he later says Clinton was a college professor in constitutional law.

As noted in the quote, he grades each President on how well they follow the Constitution, see if you notice a pattern.
Wilson: F
Harding: B+
Coolidge: A+
Hoover: C-

Now I appreciate the Harding love as much as any fan of indisputable facts, but it starts to go off the rails there. See Coolidge gets a higher grade because he mentions the Constitution more even though the author savages his lone Supreme Court pick, while Hoover gets a pass on his record (including his Court picks being called essentially enablers of fascism) because ten years later he came out against FDR? How is this system working?

Roosevelt: F
Truman: C+
Eisenhower: C+
Kennedy: C-

Now the system is totally falling apart. Truman is called out as a vicious tyrant who stacked the Supreme Court with Communists and Eisenhower destroying the nation by appointing Earl Warren allowing abortion to murder trillions of lives and criminals to have legal rights and JFK a horrible womanizer who allowed Communists to secretly run his government but hey, pretty alright because they opposed Soviet Communism and Truman is actually a hero because of this despite what the left wants you to believe? But Constitution...?

Johnson: F
Nixon: C+
Ford: C+
Carter: F

The Nixon chapter is entirely about how he was a secret liberal with the EPA and garbage like that, also he could have won Vietnam but the left undermined him with the phony Watergate scandal, also he and Ford were Communist sympathizers by buying into detente but he appointed great justices while Ford appointed Stevens who eats babies, so same passing grade! Then for Carter, he acknowledges that Carter did not appoint a Supreme Court Justice but:
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He deserves an F grade for his respect and defense of the Constitution, nonetheless, for an unusual reason: his unprecedented and outrageous behavior as an ex-president. Carter does not seem to understand that the nation has only one president at a time.
WHAT ARE WE EVEN DOING AT THIS POINT BOOK :doge

From here on the book doesn't even try to do any kind of history and just attacks the socialist war on our Constitution which mandates the death penalty and outlaws abortion.
Reagan: A-
Bush: B
Clinton: F
Bush: B+
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For his vigorous defense of the president's constitutional power to defend the nation against the threat of terrorism ... Bush deserves a top grade for presidential performance.
Obama: F-
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President Obama's performance on foreign policy was curious, ironic, and hypocritical ... Obama embraced nearly all of [Bush's policies]; and in some cases he aggressively expanded Bush policies.
...
But still underneath the surface, Obama gave off every indication ... that he wished to diminish American influence and reduce America's capacity as a world leader.
...
It is questionable whether deep down Obama's primary allegiance was to the United States

Overall, I score this book's Constitutional Grade based on this:
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In an off-the-cuff comment, Obama derided [Scott] Brown  by saying, "Anybody can buy a truck. This dismissal of the iconic conveyance of so many working Americans no doubt comes naturally to Prius-driving elites in Cambridge and Hyde Park, but it showed Obama's remoteness from the real lives of most working Americans.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program:
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2017, 05:43:36 PM
Fraud was kinda fraudulent, not actually about fraudsters but like the BBB and FTC and other efforts to regulate them. Madoff and Ponzi combined got a total of three pages in the book.

so onward and upward...
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on May 12, 2017, 12:06:55 AM
Started something like a Dresden series called Drake: The Burned Man by Peter McLean. Turns out to be about a complete low-life hitman in London, and honestly it's not off to a great start.

Abandoned (for now) METAtropolis: Cascadia, the followup collection of short stories in a shared world, focused on how society and economy might change after a soft apocalypse. The first book was wonderful, but I'm having a hard time keeping up with some of these, because it's been awhile since I read the original batch of stories.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2017, 01:58:33 AM
There are a couple books by former secret service agents out there, there were a couple that were anti-Clinton shortly after he left office. I think a new one came out last year too.

Guess there's a reporter who regularly publishes new secret service accounts, Ronald Kessler:
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Never before has a journalist penetrated the wall of secrecy that surrounds the U.S. Secret Service. After conducting exclusive interviews with more than one hundred current and former Secret Service agents, bestselling author and award-winning reporter Ronald Kessler reveals their secrets for the first time.

•    George W. Bush’s daughters would try to lose their agents.
•    Based on a psychic’s vision that a sniper would assassinate President George H. W. Bush, the Secret Service changed his motorcade route.
•    To make the press think he came to work early, Jimmy Carter would walk into the Oval Office at 5 a.m., then nod off to sleep.
•    Lyndon Johnson gave dangerous instructions to his Secret Service agents and ­engaged in extensive philandering at the White House.


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THE FIRST FAMILY DETAIL reveals:
 
·       Vice President Joe Biden regularly orders the Secret Service to keep his military aide with the nuclear football a mile behind his motorcade, potentially leaving the country unable to retaliate in the event of a nuclear attack.
 
·       Secret Service agents discovered that former president Bill Clinton has a blond mistress. Within minutes of Hillary Clinton’s leaving, the woman—codenamed Energizer by agents—shows up to be with Bill every day while the likely future presidential candidate is away.
 
·       The Secret Service covered up the fact that President Ronald Reagan’s White House staff overruled the Secret Service to let unscreened spectators get close to Reagan as he left the Washington Hilton, allowing him to be shot by John W. Hinckley Jr.
 
·       Secret Service agents have been dismayed to overhear Michelle Obama push her husband to be more aggressive in attacking Republicans and to side with blacks in racial controversies.
 
·       Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan diverted agents from protecting President Obama and his family at the White House and ordered them instead to protect his assistant at her home and illegally retrieve confidential records as a favor to her.
 
·       Because Hillary Clinton is so nasty to agents, being assigned to her protective detail is considered a form of punishment and the worst assignment in the Secret Service.
 
·       Secret Service agents were ordered to ignore security rules and allow the SUV carrying actor Bradley Cooper to drive unscreened into a secure restricted area when President Obama was about to deliver his speech at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
 
·       Vice President Joe Biden spends millions of taxpayer dollars flying to and from his home in Delaware on Air Force Two. His office tried to cover up the costs of the personal trips.
 
·       Because the Secret Service refused to provide enough magnetometers at his campaign events, Mitt Romney regularly left himself open to assassination by giving speeches to unscreened crowds.
 
·       Vice President Joe Biden swims nude at the vice president’s residence in Washington and at his home in Delaware, offending female agents. 
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A Danger to Our Country and Leaders
ByMichaelon August 2, 2015
Format: Kindle Edition|Verified Purchase

The author writes an interesting and thoughtful book about a part of government that many people are not very familiar with: the Secret Service. He describes the vast and impressive array of procedures employed in protecting presidents ,current and previous, vice presidents, and their families, as well as cabinet secretaries and political leaders in the line of succession to become president in case of a severe emergency. During a presidential election the leading candidates are also protected.

To accomplish their mission Secret Service agents must work in close proximity to all their protectees, becoming a part of their lives on a daily basis. This gives the agents a clear window through which to observe their personalities and character. Revelations from some of the agents indicate that what transpires in their clients' private lives may not comport with the image that they desire to show to the public.

As examples, the book describes how a number of protectees were especially "nasty" to the agents and their own staffs: Bill and Hillary Clinton, Nancy Reagan, Jimmy Carter and Al Gore.
Especially friendly and respectful to agents were Ronald Reagan, Bush 41 and 43 and their wives, Dick and Lynne Cheney and Mitt and Ann Romney.

edit: this was the one from last year, Crisis of Character: A White House Secret Service Officer Discloses His Firsthand Experience with Hillary, Bill, and How They Operate by Gary J. Byrne
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"I read it cover to cover!"―Sean Hannity, Fox News Channel

"[Crisis of Character] validates the public's growing distrust of Hillary's character. It reminds us of the Clintons' countless scandals and the deficits in their leadership. It is a message from someone who knew them personally, and it is a message we would do well to heed."―Townhall.com

"Former Secret Service officer Gary Byrne offers a ground-zero look at the Lewinsky scandal - and other Bill Clinton misadventures that should have been national scandals - in his new book Crisis of Character. Even though top Clinton White House officials have confirmed Byrne was an honorable officer, the Clinton machine has been working to pressure television networks into ignoring the news and helping Hillary Clinton's campaign by not reporting on the details contained within Byrne's bombshell book."―Breitbart.com
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 12, 2017, 02:13:46 PM
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the woman—codenamed Energizer by agents—shows up to be with Bill every day while the likely future presidential candidate is away.

Bill had Ivanka in the White House too???  :whoo :whew :gladbron  :rejoice :phil :quark :itagaki :success :salute
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Post by: chronovore on May 13, 2017, 03:14:43 AM
Diamond Joe, giving the Secret Service agents a show! Who says he was targeting the ladies?!
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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2017, 06:35:53 PM
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Jack and PD might like this book. The Walrus too if he was still around. That Cesare Borgia guy from GAF probably has a few copies to laugh about all his friends mentioned in the book.

Most importantly. Apparently John Edwards 2008 campaign signed up for twenty times the number of social media sites as any other campaign. Which is one of those unsurprising appropriate facts.

Note to the author: Am willing to copy edit the next edition of your book, your current editor didn't do a great job (example: 1988 did not happen after 1996), please contact me with offers.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Beezy on May 21, 2017, 09:08:17 PM
Anyone here ever read The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York by Robert Caro? I'm intimidated by it being 1300+ pages long.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 21, 2017, 11:48:26 PM
I won't read a book that has the name Robert on the cover twice. 
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 22, 2017, 06:40:46 PM
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@kara @recursively @atra

Just bought with gift money from Reagan republican crypto-fascist grandma. Am i doing it right?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 22, 2017, 07:15:43 PM
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Post by: tiesto on May 22, 2017, 08:18:45 PM
Anyone here ever read The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York by Robert Caro? I'm intimidated by it being 1300+ pages long.

No, but I'm going to Robert Moses Beach next weekend :P

Actually, I've read a few excerpts a while back (took a few urban planning courses in college), and it seemed pretty interesting.
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Post by: Beezy on May 22, 2017, 09:07:25 PM
I took one urban planning course in college and found it interesting. Didn't learn anything about Robert Moses though. First heard about him after reading this yesterday:

http://gothamist.com/2016/02/17/robert_caro_author_interview.php

I ordered the book from amazon this morning. Looking forward to it.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on May 23, 2017, 05:40:21 PM
Weird, I was just thinking about that Robert Moses book on the drive this morning and wondering if I should check it out. (Didn't have a name to attach to him though, was gonna come home and google my way to it)
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 29, 2017, 02:40:21 PM
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But the fascists also labor under contradiction. Bourgeois reason is in fact not only particular but general, and its generality speeds the progress of fascism by denying it. Those who came to power in Germany were cleverer and more stupid than the liberals. The progress towards the new order was supported to a large extent by those whose consciousness was not involved in progress: by bankrupt individuals, sectarian interests, and fools. They are protected against error as long as their power prevents any kind of competition. But, in the competition between states, the fascists are not only equally capable of making mistakes but through such characteristics as short-sightedness, obstinacy, and lack of knowledge of economic forces, and above all through their inability to see the negative side of things and include this factor in their estimate of the overall position, they contribute subjectively to the catastrophe which they have always expected in their heart of hearts.

:jbthink
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 29, 2017, 03:51:16 PM
Anyone here ever read The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York by Robert Caro? I'm intimidated by it being 1300+ pages long.

Yes, over a decade ago.  Highly recommended.  Took me something like 3 months to finish it though :lol
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Post by: chronovore on May 31, 2017, 07:35:25 PM
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32075825-the-rise-and-fall-of-d-o-d-o

Neal Stephenson's got a new book about to come out. I still haven't chewed through Cryptonomicon.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 31, 2017, 09:35:29 PM
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32075825-the-rise-and-fall-of-d-o-d-o

Neal Stephenson's got a new book about to come out. I still haven't chewed through Cryptonomicon.

One day I'll finish reading REAMDE. I bought it when it came out and I read about half of it, and five years later I'll still pick it up and read a few more pages every couple of months. It's okay, I still kinda remember what's going on. :lol
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Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2017, 03:38:46 AM
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from the authors of The Dictator's Handbook
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Post by: chronovore on June 01, 2017, 03:44:16 AM
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32075825-the-rise-and-fall-of-d-o-d-o

Neal Stephenson's got a new book about to come out. I still haven't chewed through Cryptonomicon.

One day I'll finish reading REAMDE. I bought it when it came out and I read about half of it, and five years later I'll still pick it up and read a few more pages every couple of months. It's okay, I still kinda remember what's going on. :lol

Like videogames, if I step away from a book for any amount of time, I just start over from the beginning. With games, I can't remember the controls. With books, I have NO IDEA who anyone is…
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Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2017, 03:43:12 PM
i know a number of you guys read this triology and was wondering

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did any of you think this was like...bad in comparison to the first two? it seems so meandering and incoherent like it's three books mashed together randomly

and the reagan hate, maybe because of when he came of age this stuff set him off, but he's like writing about all the actual shit Nixon is doing re Vietnam/Watergate as kinda history he's detached observing and then switches to a chapter where he angerly bitches about Reagan embellishing his football exploits in a story to some group and goes on for ten pages debunking it all and then seems to decide we need to spend time on how bad Reagan's movies were like okay dude we get it

maybe it's a function of trying to fit Reagan's entire life history into the ongoing narrative of whatever this series had become at this point, not to mention trying to collapse all of 1960s and 1970s culture into it, probably could have cut those 300 pages out of the book for more interesting stuff

or maybe it's a function of so much already combing through this period that his accidental grand narrative has come to a crashing halt, Before The Storm was like good probably because it wasn't supposed to be the start of a triology, and Nixonland at least had that whole kind of definitive packing of Nixon's juggernaut status plus it's the dark middle chapter amirite

or maybe it's because i recently read that Landslide book up a few posts and that did the same Reagan life history gloss in about one-tenth the pages

or maybe it's because i just wanted to get this one out of the way and finally off the stack blocking clearly better stuff that i can actually use and it's in the wake of reading the spoils of war droppin some hot revisionist history like how George Washington was just a jerkass real-estate speculator :lawd
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 04, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
I'm sure my thoughts on the book are somewhere earlier in this thread but I remember being a lot more impressed by Nixonland than this book.

Edit: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=24400.msg1913816;topicseen#msg1913816

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I just finished this.  It is a great read but I found it inferior to Nixonland.  Which isn't a criticism against the book but Nixonland was so good and it perfectly captured the changing political environment in a way that I haven't found in any other book.  The Invisible Bridge tries to do the same thing but seems to be incomplete.  While Perlstein went really deep into Nixon for Nixonland, it seems like Reagan only got a surface level treatment by comparison, which I think does the book a disservice.  The book's strength, like Nixonland, is that is it very objective.  There is no real slant and I think Perlstein goes to great lengths to make sure that the book is as factual as possible.

I will probably check out the first book in the trilogy about Goldwater.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2017, 04:16:51 PM
Ahh cool, you found the whole original discussion a few posts up when Joe posted about it.

Looking back, then checking the index again like I had to on some other books recently when this came to mind, this book also reminds me of a running subplot of books about this era that fascinate me.

How little George H. W. Bush exists in them. (Cheney and Rumsfeld too.)

Bush went from head of the RNC in the middle of Watergate to nearly becoming the VP or at least nominee three times in three years before actually becoming it with a pitstop in China and at the CIA. And you'd think he didn't exist until he caused Reagan to say he paid for that microphone, and also the irony of him saying "voodoo economics" which was funny eight years later when he suddenly reappeared to run with Willie Horton against Dukakis. When he was part of all of that stuff along with the other two who would show up back up in his son's administration.

It's like that agreement we all somehow made never to talk about Iran-Contra after Ollie North made Congress look stupid and H.W. pardoned everyone because the Wall came down thanks to Reagan and David Hasselhoff personally swinging the hammers.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2017, 09:42:16 AM
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On reflection, Robby Mook actually comes out of this looking the worst, dumbest and most stubborn even if he was technically correct. And Bernie as even more clueless. (He came to his post-defeat meetings with Obama and Hillary with the assumption that they would help give him control over the party platform in exchange for his endorsement lol, and Obama was like "wtf bro I'm bailing out of town sorta; you're lucky I stayed neutral in all this rather than endorsing Hillary months ago"...also, DWS tried to pull a similar thing in exchange for resigning from the DNC.) Obama, Biden and Bill as maybe the only ones who come off as having any idea that the campaign is falling apart. And the Hillary team were oddly afraid of how eager the three were to go after Trump. Podesta even was upset with Obama for making fun in front of Hillary's staff about how much material Trump was giving them. (They had an assumption that any major engagement with Trump (and earlier Bernie) was granting him ground he hadn't earned and didn't deserve and letting him into a game he shouldn't be playing in, this was their theory of how Sanders won Michigan and nearly stole Iowa, etc. that they had treated him as an equal rather than mostly ignoring him. And they weren't going to allow Trump the same thing, instead they were going to make Trump have to defend Texas and Utah and Georgia and so on.)

Even in all the attention this book got for the silly gossip and crap like how they scored everyone on a one to seven scale of loyalty to Hillary, I'm surprised there was so little attention about the VP non-search. They basically boxed themselves into Kaine from the get go even though Hillary never knew him and had barely ever talked to the guy before. They went on Terry McAuliffe and Obama's word and the fact that he had "experience." There also was a late moment when they realized Warren was a non-starter that they considered asking Biden if he would mull it over but then decided Biden had taken too many shots at Hillary over the years so never even asked or found any role for him to play in the campaign. They created such an extensive checklist that it basically defaulted to Kaine and Vilsack with the latter being more or less disqualified solely because he was Bill's personal pick.

Oddly, I'm not comforted about my months of faux-taunting Democrats, PoliGAF etc. over it being down to Vilsack or Kaine from the start because they're the only ones who fit a "safe model of an idea of a VP" as actually being true. This (or my harping on white backlash against immigrants/darkies being the issue for 2016) doesn't bode well for my McAuliffe 2020 jibes? :lol

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Hillary should have tried to take over 19th Century central Europe instead of running for President in 2016. Especially Austria-Hungary. House of Clintons probably couldn't have screwed that up any more than the Habsburgs did.
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Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
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One of the lessons Mook and his allies took from Michigan was that Hillary was better off not getting into an all-out war with her opponent in states where non-college-educated whites could be the decisive demographic. In Michigan, they believed, Hillary’s hard campaigning had called attention to an election that many would-be voters weren’t paying attention to, and given Bernie a chance to show that his economic message was more in line with their views. So Mook’s clique looked at the elevation of the Michigan primary — poking the sleeping bear of the white working class — as a mistake that shouldn’t be repeated. “That was a takeaway that we tried to use in the general,” said one high-ranking campaign official.
Ultimate paragraph of the entire book right there in retrospect.
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Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2017, 12:52:16 PM
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A short little easy read by a former Puffington Host writer/video guy. Basically the premise is, he's in New Hampshire for the 2015-16 cycle with no real assignment to follow any single candidate or anything. It peppers in past stories and histories for the NH Primary, along with travelogue like descriptions of towns and random people he meets in bars out in the boonies and so on. It's also full of amazing Lindsey Graham stories which was totally unexpected, after realizing he was done and Trump and Cruz were ascendant Graham apparently just decided to drink (and bowl?) his way around NH until he ran out of cash. Also apparently John Kasich literally does hate everyone and everything, it's not an shtick!

And then this happened:
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For his part, Jeb! Bush shook just about every hand in the room before he got to mine.

"Hi governor," I said as I extended my arm toward him. The former governor of Florida gave me a look that I can only describe as impish. He gripped my hand. In the split second in which our thumbs were entwined in the customary masculine greeting, he stuck out his index finger and wiggled it into my palm.

"Secret handshake," Bush said. And then he walked away. No explanation. Just a secret handshake that Jeb Bush developed on the spot and tried out on a reporter he barely knew.
:rejoice
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Post by: G The Resurrected on July 14, 2017, 01:45:51 PM
Been reading a lot more as a way to unplug

I wanted to recommend this book by Thomas Nichols: The Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why it Matters

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It's a fascinating look at what is a very real problem we all will face in our lifetimes.  It's got me thinking about picking up a trade skill as a hobby.
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Post by: Bebpo on July 25, 2017, 02:12:52 PM
So I'm reading the Dark Tower 'cause you know, the movie coming out and in book 2 I made it to the first door and couldn't put it down and read through the whole door in one go. This is a fun book. First book was ok, first 100 pages or so of book 2 was ok, but now this is fun stuff.
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Post by: chronovore on July 26, 2017, 04:54:37 PM
Friend of mine hadn't read any Iain M. Banks, so I started him on Use of Weapons. He decided to immediately start reading it, and I'd been saving it for a rainy day — or so I thought. I have a dozen books by Banks, but couldn't find my copy of Use of Weapons. Ended up buying it on Kindle, and bringing it on my trip stateside. I thought I'd have 6 hours in Taipei layover to read it, but ended up keeping my son entertained. Not a euphemism.

So I'm reading The Dark Tower 'cause you know, the movie coming out and in book 2 I made it to the first door and couldn't put it down and read through the whole door in one go. This is a fun book. First book was ok, first 100 pages or so of book 2 was ok, but now this is fun stuff.

The first book is a different feel from everything else in the series. It's an OK series, brilliant at times, but don't expect things to continue in the same vein.
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Post by: tiesto on July 26, 2017, 10:10:20 PM
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Post by: thisismyusername on July 26, 2017, 10:11:51 PM
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Only the first and 1.5 were worth reading, IMO. Man-Machine Interface is a mess.
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Post by: Bebpo on July 26, 2017, 10:32:25 PM
Friend of mine hadn't read any Iain M. Banks, so I started him on Use of Weapons. He decided to immediately start reading it, and I'd been saving it for a rainy day — or so I thought. I have a dozen books by Banks, but couldn't find my copy of Use of Weapons. Ended up buying it on Kindle, and bringing it on my trip stateside. I thought I'd have 6 hours in Taipei layover to read it, but ended up keeping my son entertained. Not a euphemism.

So I'm reading The Dark Tower 'cause you know, the movie coming out and in book 2 I made it to the first door and couldn't put it down and read through the whole door in one go. This is a fun book. First book was ok, first 100 pages or so of book 2 was ok, but now this is fun stuff.

The first book is a different feel from everything else in the series. It's an OK series, brilliant at times, but don't expect things to continue in the same vein.

Yeah, I've heard aaaaaaall about books 5-7 and how bad they are. Even now in book 2, I started reading the 2nd door last night Lady of the Shadows and it was terrible zzzz stuff. It's crazy how it went from couldn't put the book down in door 1 to I'm skimming instead of reading on door 2. I can already see the consistency stuff. I've heard book 4 is pretty awesome though, so I'm looking forward to that.
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Post by: chronovore on July 27, 2017, 01:34:30 AM
Friend of mine hadn't read any Iain M. Banks, so I started him on Use of Weapons. He decided to immediately start reading it, and I'd been saving it for a rainy day — or so I thought. I have a dozen books by Banks, but couldn't find my copy of Use of Weapons. Ended up buying it on Kindle, and bringing it on my trip stateside. I thought I'd have 6 hours in Taipei layover to read it, but ended up keeping my son entertained. Not a euphemism.

So I'm reading The Dark Tower 'cause you know, the movie coming out and in book 2 I made it to the first door and couldn't put it down and read through the whole door in one go. This is a fun book. First book was ok, first 100 pages or so of book 2 was ok, but now this is fun stuff.

The first book is a different feel from everything else in the series. It's an OK series, brilliant at times, but don't expect things to continue in the same vein.

Yeah, I've heard aaaaaaall about books 5-7 and how bad they are. Even now in book 2, I started reading the 2nd door last night Lady of the Shadows and it was terrible zzzz stuff. It's crazy how it went from couldn't put the book down in door 1 to I'm skimming instead of reading on door 2. I can already see the consistency stuff. I've heard book 4 is pretty awesome though, so I'm looking forward to that.

It's been years, and I don't recall specifics. I'm just saying that you shouldn't feel bad about tapping out when you want to.
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Post by: Bebpo on July 31, 2017, 03:47:29 AM
Finished Book 2 of Dark Tower. Was fun! I like how it's a Dark Fantasy rpg series now with its own party like Berserk. Picked up Book 3 The Wastelands and gonna start it up. The books keep getting longer and longer, but at least they still use big font. I swear that 1 page in Dark Tower paperback is like 2 pages in Sanderson's Mistborn books I'm reading.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 07, 2017, 06:45:46 PM
Getting close to finishing Dark Tower Book 3 The Wastelands. Ordered Wizard & The Glass. The 2nd half of The Wastelands after Jake joins the party feels like everything that was uneven in books 2 & first half of book 3 finally came together and now it's a good ole' fun Fallout/Mad Max post-apocalyptic wasteland journey. Enjoying it quite a bit at this point!
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Post by: TVC15 on August 08, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
Mentioning Max Striner here the other day reminded me to check and see if Wolfi Landstreicher's long-in-the-works new translation of The Ego and Its Own had been completed, and lo and behold it was just released in May. This is the first translation since the original back in the early 1900s, which has been criticized by the sort of people that know enough to criticize translations of things.

Haven't gotten past the intro yet because I had to work on some spreadsheetzzz on the commute to work this morning.

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Also I found two typos on the back cover.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2017, 01:44:08 PM
Getting close to finishing Dark Tower Book 3 The Wastelands. Ordered Wizard & The Glass. The 2nd half of The Wastelands after Jake joins the party feels like everything that was uneven in books 2 & first half of book 3 finally came together and now it's a good ole' fun Fallout/Mad Max post-apocalyptic wasteland journey. Enjoying it quite a bit at this point!

Book 4 is pretty awesome. It's just a straight up good stand-alone, post-apocalyptic fantasy cowboy novel.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 13, 2017, 04:56:13 PM
Finished Dark Tower book 3 The Wastelands. Oh man, that finale, Blaine the Mono,

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That's the kinda stuff that would be great for a movie. So fun! Hyped for book 4 and I'm so interested in the world & characters at this point I'll probably end up actually reading books 5-7 because I'm invested.

Second half of Book 3 was a pretty good Fallout book. I liked the whole book except the Jake in the city parts which ran kinda long and were fairly zzz at this point into the series since they felt more like an intro you'd get in book 1. Sounds like the first third of the movie covers that which is a bit of a shame. I'd rather have Blaine the Mono scenes!

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Post by: agrajag on August 14, 2017, 01:43:02 PM
Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on August 14, 2017, 06:16:23 PM
Read the first 100 pages of Wizard and the Glass, was surprised the Blaine thing was just the first 100 pages. Coming from the end of Book 3 I figured the train ride would be the entire 1000 pages of book 4 with flashbacks along the ride and Blaine was going to be a major character the whole book. Now I have no idea what the next 900 pages are gonna be about, hmmmmmm
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Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2017, 04:49:22 AM
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look primary sources are great, but there's a point where your book becomes literally just what a couple of once roommates wrote to each other and to other people...also i don't understand any of the Gutzon Borglum stuff being in this book at all and no that last page attempt to combine them didn't work, Holmes was your framing device why you went after another and didn't even tell the whole story is beyond me

on tap:
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i don't even actually know what this is about really but it was on the shelf next to the other one and the subtitle makes it sound like it could be some kind of thematic sequel, also it's only like a hundred pages long

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bet this is terrible, has praise from rick perlstein on the back so i assumed it may not be all glory stories, but just read this horseshit:
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Oppenheimer is a brilliant new voice in political history who has woven together the past century’s most important movements into a single book that reveals the roots of American politics.

At its core, Exit Right is a book that asks profound questions about why and how we come to believe politically at all—on the left or the right. Each of these six lives challenges us to ask where our own beliefs come from, and what it might take to change them. At a time of sky-high partisanship, Oppenheimer breaks down the boundaries that divide us and investigates the deeper origins of our politics. This is a book that will resonate with readers on the left and the right—as well as those stuck somewhere in the middle.
also the list of people is amazing, horowitz being on any kind of list with reagan and chambers is hilarious, at least podhoretz played some kind of role with commentary, and the inclusion of hitchens is totally what sold me, that's gotta be a heck of a chapter

i should read a book by this daniel oppenheimer instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_M._Oppenheimer

and then...
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 06, 2017, 07:25:29 AM
Really interesting stuff, picked this up because I wanted more in-depth knowledge of the deeper trends and developments. Great history book too.

Starts late 19th century, am currently in the interbellum period. Not that many pages in.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51K-oIbmQQL._SX324_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2017, 04:59:17 AM
I'm 50 pages out from finishing The Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass, done with the flashback and in the final epilogue stuff before the book ends. After I finish it I'll write up my thoughts tomorrow. One thing though is that it sure leaves A LOT of Roland's backstory between 14 year old Roland -> The Gunslinger unexplained.

So I saw that ~2012 or something he put out the 8th book in the series Wind through the Keyhole which he calls book 4.5 as it takes place between book 4 and book 5. Would it make sense to read it next and before book 5? Or is it written in a way that you've read the whole series and it would be spoilerish for books 5-7?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2017, 06:29:21 PM
Finished the book, picked up books 5 & 8 at the bookstore. Googled about reading order and most people say book 8 wind through the keyhole after book 4 because it's super short and bridges the gap between the end of 4 and start of 5. Only negatives seem to be that it's more time spent not advancing the main plot progress towards the tower like most of book 4. Yeah, when I grabbed it at the bookstore I couldn't believe modern era Stephen King could write a book so short sine all his stuff is long as fuck now. It's like 350 pages. Will read that next and then start on Wolves of Caballa.

Will review book 4 later.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 14, 2017, 10:22:53 PM
I'm about 40% into Use of Weapons. It's lively and fun and dark and humorous, and I already know I'll have to read it again… but my brain keeps shying away from reading too much at once. I'd intended to treasure this Iain M. Banks read for ages, and that intent itself has stunted my progress and enjoyment.  :-\

Also reading the third EXPANSE book, Abaddon's Gate, which I'm making better headway on. There's a neat bait and switch with a new character early on, where I was rooting for her and now I want her fucking dead-dead-dead.

Also started IT, which is going to take me a long time to read. Even as an audiobook, it's a damned brick. 45 hours long. I'm going to wait to go back to this until after Use of Weapons, because two novels, each with two counter-posed storylines is going to do my old brain in.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 14, 2017, 10:28:01 PM
Use of weapons is so good
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Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2017, 10:52:44 PM
Ok, back home, dishes in the washer and have a clear night schedule, so time to write out some thoughts on Wizard and Glass.

I liked it and feel it's the most consistent book in The Dark Tower series at this point. The other books tended to have a lot of high/low points mixed around. It's also pretty long-winded. At 1,000 pages with 850 or so being the single flashback story arc, at times it feels like a GRRM book, except without the GRRM's quality of prose. A good chunk of Wizard and Glass is also a love story and when I think of love stories I don't really think of Stephen King. The love story stuff to me felt kinda weak and I never cared about the romance of the two characters. I kinda felt all the romance chapters that didn't move the town's story along were fairly dull because of it. At first I wasn't too big on Susan because all her stuff was romance-y after the initial gross witch bit, but her end stuff where she was taking action was pretty good, so I don't dislike her character, just the romance plot.

I liked seeing The gunslinger kids, Roland, Cuthbert and Alain were great. Their feud vs the Big Coffin Hunter bad guys of Jonas/Depape/Reynolds was exciting. The town conspiracy was fleshed out and the weird ass supernatural thinny was cool. The Wizard Orb stuff was alright, but a little tired of all these magic cheating devices that fuck everyone over constantly in The Dark Tower because ka.

It's also a little weird how it stops the progression of the journey to the dark tower to tell a flashback story that isn't some of the more world lore/plot important flashbacks, but rather a Roland development story for an entire book with a few additions to the world lore. It did a good job developing his character, for sure. But leaves a lot unanswered.

I kinda get the feeling that this series is going to end with a lot of stuff unanswered and that King is more interested in throwing in weird mysterious shit without ever explaining it within the world logic and making it work. Dunno.

I never felt like Wizard and Glass reached the highs of Eddie's door in Book 2 or the city of Lud & Blaine the Mono of Book 3. Wizard and Glass was like a better version of The Gunslinger. Also most of Wizard of the Glass is build up, like everything from the middle to the climax is just a 400+ page slow build up to shit going down and when it finally does go down, it's over in a flash. Like the whole thing with Jonas & Roland goes on and on and on and then

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When Roland finally rides on Jonas' group of 30+, it's like a 4 page quick scene of the gunslingers easily killing them all and then Roland runs up and shoots Jonas with no effort.

I get King does that to show what a difference it was between the two and how Jonas was never a real threat for a real gunslinger like Roland, but it was just a quick pop payoff for like an entire huge ass book of build up. The run on the Farson men dragging them out to the Canyon to be eaten by the Thinny was more longer and more satisfying.
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That said, it was a good book and I enjoyed it! These are fun reads are are distracting me from reading anything else for at least half a year as I go through them :)

Anyhow, I was googling around to see if I should read book 8 next or 5, and it's interesting seeing how divisive opinions are on the series. I'd see people say Books 1-3 and 7 are awesome, 5 sucks and 4,6,8 are just ok. People saying Book 4 was the best, 1-3 good, and 5-8 sucks. I'd see people say book 5 is awesome. Feels like this might be because the series is a bunch of different things, a western, a post-apocalyptic story, a fantasy tale, a horror tale all in one and people want different things out of it. Looking forward to reading the back half of the franchise now and seeing where I stand on the rest.

I think the world itself of The Dark Tower is really interesting and unique. It'd be nice if King kept writing books that were flashbacks fleshing out different time periods in the history of Mid-world. The world lore/history and roland are the most interesting parts of the franchise to me.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 14, 2017, 11:42:30 PM
Use of weapons is so good

Have you read Banks' other Culture books?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 14, 2017, 11:43:24 PM
about 80% of them.  Weapons is my favorite. 
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Post by: chronovore on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 PM
about 80% of them.  Weapons is my favorite.

I started with Look to Windward, and then Player of Games. Loved both of them, and after Banks passed on, I decided to meter my reading so I didn't binge them unappreciatively. Now I'm wondering. All my heroes are dying anyway.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2017, 01:40:57 AM
Fellow forum guy recommended Player of Games to me some years ago as my first Ian Banks novel. Was good fun. Should I read Use of Weapons as my next Banks book?
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Post by: chronovore on September 16, 2017, 05:48:04 AM
Fellow forum guy recommended Player of Games to me some years ago as my first Ian Banks novel. Was good fun. Should I read Use of Weapons as my next Banks book?

It's pretty damned good. Most Culture fans claim it's the best.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 24, 2017, 06:20:40 AM
I really should just sleep as it's 3am and last night I was reading to 3am, just finished Wind through the Keyhole - Dark Tower book 4.5/8.

It was great. Like every other Dark Tower book I've finished with a mixed feeling of liked these parts and these other parts not so much, but not here. Wind through the Keyhole is just a great story I liked from start to finish. Three nested short stories and all were well written and fun. It was nice seeing familiar faces in them.
 The book even expanded on the world lore and hyped the last three books in a teasing section. The ending pages were also a nice completion to Wizard and Glass as well. I really enjoyed every aspect of this book and hope King writes more of these DT tales before he retires/passes.

Is it my favorite book in the series at this point? Maybe. It's a bit short to fulfill that satisfaction of the latter half of Book 3, but maybe it is. If you bailed on the series after book 7 because the ending sucked, I'd recommend giving book 8 a read. It's a nice little book and shows that King still has it to write good Dark Tower stories.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 24, 2017, 07:06:31 PM
Hmmm, gonna read Salem's Lot next. Never read it or seen the adaptations and apparently it plays into Book 5 Wolves of the Calla a bit like Flagg/MiB stuff. Was going to watch the 1979 miniseries but hearing that it really doesn't hold up so might as well read the book so I can enjoy it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2017, 07:53:31 AM
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Wow, useless drivel garbage. I'm not sure this book actually is about anything. I have no idea what some of the academic reviews for it are reading instead.

Basically the point is that liberalism, which he never defines, done fucked up when it bashed religion and the solution is that liberalism needs to fuse with the neo-Calvinism of the Kuyper School to restore Christian values as the core of liberalism.

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The book doesn't frame it this way, but ultimately aside from Reagan (which the book fails to note was never really on "the left" as much as he was an apolitical Democrat at a time when everyone was, his turn to the "right" came when he actually bothered to start investigating his political views) and Hitchens (which the book acknowledges never actually left "the left" as it bemoans his attacks on religion, supporting Iraq not really counting) the main takeaway is that the four dudes, especially Podhoretz didn't get the critical acclaim and fame they desired from "the left" but did from "the right" as they attacked "the left" so that's why they shifted. Because it never actually tackles any of their political views, except Hitchens to essentially argue him out of the book. Instead it's all about their professional and personal lives. Twenty pages on Burnham's relationship with Trotsky. One paragraph on how he declared himself no longer a Marxist. AND END CHAPTER.

The only chapter that gets even close to providing some other reason is David Horowitz's and it basically suggests it's a petty revenge against people he always hated. Also that he gets off on getting "leftists" upset.

finally after that punishment...can get to something fun:
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They tested Greg Proops and Mike Rowe before Jon Stewart after Craig Kilborn bolted. Along with Colbert. Then when they had a press conference to announce Stewart, Colbert showed up as a Daily Show reporter asking why he didn't get the job.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 30, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
Regarding Exit Right and The Twilight, I intentionally avoid contemporary books on politics because they seem utterly useless and intended just to provide asspats for their reader base, rather than provide any actual insight whatsoever.

Edit: Rick Perlstein's Nixonland is the only exception I can think of.  Even his book on Reagan fits with the issues I have above.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 01, 2017, 02:14:46 PM
I thought Exit Right might be different since he's blurbed on it:
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“The wisdom, discernment, and erudition on display in this book are exceptional. After reading it, you may never think about why we believe what we believe in the same way again. Daniel Oppenheimer is a political essayist for the ages.”
—Rick Perlstein, author of The Invisible Bridge
I'm going to assume he didn't actually read it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 01, 2017, 09:03:40 PM
benji, you read this? https://global.oup.com/academic/product/rationalism-pluralism-and-freedom-9780198717140?cc=us&lang=en&

I've read good things about it
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Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2017, 05:55:30 AM
hmm no, on the backlog it goes i guess, i see he's been on some podcasts and such pimping it though, i may investigate one or more of those for a brief

but this most stuck out to me:
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Intermediate groups-- voluntary associations, churches, ethnocultural groups, universities, and more--can both protect threaten individual liberty.

this is what i have started now:
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he wrote this back in the 1980s, which is probably something I should look into the ease of digging up:
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Between 1870 and 1920, two generations of European and American intellectuals created a transatlantic community of philosophical and political discourse. Uncertain Victory, the first comparative study of ideas and politics in France, Germany, the U.S., and Great Britain during these fifty years, demonstrates how a number of thinkers from different traditions converged to create the theoretical foundations for new programs of social democracy and progressivism. Kloppenberg studies a wide range of pivotal theorists and activists--including philosophers such as William James, Wilhelm Dilthey, and T. H. Green, democratic socialists such as Jean Jaurès, Walter Rauschenbusch, Eduard Bernstein, and Beatrice and Sidney Webb, and social theorists such as John Dewey and Max Weber--as he establishes the connection between the philosophers' challenges to the traditions of empiricism and idealism and the activists' opposition to the traditions of laissez-faire liberalism and revolutionary socialism. By demonstrating a link between a philosophy of self-conscious uncertainty and a politics of continuing democratic experimentation, and by highlighting previously unrecognized similarities among a number of prominent 19th- and 20th-century thinkers, Uncertain Victory is sure to spur a reassessment of the relationship between ideas and politics on both sides of the Atlantic.

Which is somewhat of a sequel to the book he ended up writing thirty years later (Toward Democracy), he started a sequel to that on the post-war era but found he needed to go back regarding some stuff before deciding that he should eventually take a bigggggg leap back instead. So he effectively wound up spending twenty years writing it. In the mean time bundling together a bunch of articles with connecting parts to fit this in so he didn't have a thirty year gap in his publishing:
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This spirited analysis--and defense--of American liberalism demonstrates the complex and rich traditions of political, economic, and social discourse that have informed American democratic culture from the seventeenth century to the present. The Virtues of Liberalism provides a convincing response to critics both right and left. Against conservatives outside the academy who oppose liberalism because they equate it with license, James T. Kloppenberg uncovers ample evidence of American republicans' and liberal democrats' commitments to ethical and religious ideals and their awareness of the difficult choices involved in promoting virtue in a culturally diverse nation. Against radical academic critics who reject liberalism because they equate it with Enlightenment reason and individual property holding, Kloppenberg shows the historical roots of American liberals' dual commitments to diversity, manifested in institutions designed to facilitate deliberative democracy, and to government regulations of property and market exchange in accordance with the public good. In contrast to prevailing tendencies to simplify and distort American liberalism, Kloppenberg shows how the multifaceted virtues of liberalism have inspired theorists and reformers from Thomas Jefferson and James Madison through Jane Addams and John Dewey to Martin Luther King, Jr., and then explains how these virtues persist in the work of some liberal democrats today. Endorsing the efforts of such neo-progressive and communitarian theorists and journalists as Michael Walzer, Jane Mansbridge, Michael Sandel, and E. J. Dionne, Kloppenberg also offers a more acute analysis of the historical development of American liberalism and of the complex reasons why it has been transformed and made more vulnerable in recent decades. An intelligent, coherent, and persuasive canvas that stretches from the Enlightenment to the American Revolution, from Tocqueville's observations to the New Deal's social programs, and from the right to worship freely to the idea of ethical responsibility, this book is a valuable contribution to historical scholarship and to contemporary political and cultural debates.

There's some lines here (in the first two of the books) that I've wanted to work with but I don't get the impression that he's tracing "true" radicalism when he talks about radicals in democracy or liberalism. Also the phrase "endorsing the efforts of ... E. J. Dionne" in the blurb for that last one is unnerving.

Though the fact that Dionne's listed in this category on Wikipedia and that it exists as a category is maybe the most unnerving thing of all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Radical_centrist_writers

Then again, I love that last name under the M's. Appropriate to be on the same list as Thomas Friedman I guess.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2017, 06:09:02 AM
i also have this tome sitting around that i got out of reviewing after i thumbed through it and skimmed a bit:
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i also have Jack Remington's favorite new release around that's pretty short, only take a couple hours or so, starts off with Z's number retirement:
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also have this which is probably another few hours and could be interesting or just useless schlock:
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: desert punk on October 06, 2017, 05:19:39 AM
Finished The Master and Margarita from Mikhail Bulgakov last week.

I don’t really have much experience with Russian literature. I read Dostoyevsky’s The Gambler years ago and 2015 I finished Twelve Chairs from Ilya Ilf and Yevgeni Petrov. Even though the latter was a satire I still found both of them kinda dark and depressing which apparently is par for the course for Russian literature in general back then.

But Master and Margarita was hilarious and strangely uplifting. The book as a whole was immensely readable :whew the Pilate parts read like a suspenseful historical novel at times. But I absolutely adored the contemporary Moscow parts: The overall hilarity and weirdness especially when it came to the whole slew of characters; I loved everyone, from Voland and his henchmen to the most minor bystander. Didn’t think I had to laugh so much, but there it was. I loved the satire although I’m pretty sure many if not most things went completely over my head.

I’m gonna read it again someday soon but I’m also going to make myself more familiar with rest of Bulgakov’s work.
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Post by: desert punk on October 10, 2017, 11:29:31 AM
This Sunday I finished The Dark Defiles, the last book in the A Land Fit for Heroes trilogy by Richard K. Morgan.

Morgan is the guy who wrote the Takeshi Kovacs trilogy, the first novel of which - Altered Carbon - was greenlit by Netflix last year and is currently in production (I think). The Kovacs novels were mostly cyberpunk with a sprinkle of other sf-subgenres mixed in but this trilogy is based in a fantasy setting, although it’s pretty grimdark and very reminiscent of Morgan's cynicals style and bleak outlook used in the Kovacs novels.

Morgan tries to deconstruct various High Fantasy tropes, most apparent when it comes to the protagonists, like the Noble Hero who is actually gay here and therefore being heavily discriminated, making him an outsider and a cynical asshole to boot (he also becomes a dark wizard later on lol). Or the wild steppe barbarian who is fed up and bored by tribal society and wants to return to the civilized Empire he served for as a mercenary back in his youth. Typical fantasy races like elves are also getting their special treatment here.

Anyway, suffice to say that while I thought the trilogy was a decent read with great characters and good writing in general (I really dig Morgan’s cynical and brutal style) the plotting was meandering and a bit weak tbh. After completing two thirds of the last novel and still no real resolutions in sight, I was getting worried that the ending would be some half assed garbage. But despite all misgivings, Morgan did manage to resolve most things by the end - even if not in a completely satisfactory manner.

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What intrigued me most about these novels though were the hints that the trilogy is actually a continuation of his Kovacs novels and that the fantasy setting is actually based on a far far future post-apocalyptic Earth after some fucked-up war (perhaps instigated by Takeshi Kovacs) waged with equally fucked-up weapons (and with aliens in the mix), that nuked humanity back into the stone age but also mutating and corrupting them to a point that they split into different and weird new races. Kovacs and (perhaps) some other characters from the previous trilogy are still alive somehow and apparently amuse themselves with playing god to some of the human societies and are trying to manipulate the main characters for some nebulous gains. These hints are rather oblique tho and while they get stronger by the end, Morgan never really makes it outright clear. I’m not one who needs everything spelled out and it’s fun to speculate, but I still kinda hope that at least some of these supposed connections are being made a bit more explicit in a follow-up novel or short story.
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TL;DR: It’s a decent fantasy trilogy with great characters and an interesting setting, coupled with the author's grim and biting signature style, but with a rather meandering and dodgy plot.

3 out of 5 gay wizards I guess
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 10, 2017, 06:28:17 PM
I loved the Takeshi Kovacs books and Thirteen. I'll give those fantasy books a gander!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: desert punk on October 11, 2017, 02:01:37 PM
I don't know if I could recommend these books to someone that hasn't finished the Kovacs trilogy (mostly for the reasons stated in the spoiler) but in your case I think you're going to like them.

It's been three years since Morgan's last book was released so I wonder when he's putting out new stuff. Rumors are that it's going to be sf again so maybe a sequel to Thirteen? But maybe he's too busy with the Netflix adaption of Altered Carbon to do anything else at the moment. Still have to read Market Forces, otherwise I think I got through everything Morgan published.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 11, 2017, 02:52:07 PM
Currently readin the Southern Reach series, really enjoyed book 1 Annihilation
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: desert punk on October 12, 2017, 12:44:54 PM
Currently readin the Southern Reach series, really enjoyed book 1 Annihilation

Thanks for reminding me again about that series. Was always intrigued by the premise but ultimately unsure if it really was my cup of tea. But I see book 1 is only about 200 pages long so I'll put it on my "to read"-list.
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Post by: TVC15 on October 12, 2017, 12:57:08 PM
I’ll give you a hint. This is on page 23.

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: desert punk on October 12, 2017, 02:58:02 PM
I ain't too bright so you got to explain what you're getting at with that Discordia reference :confused
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Post by: Bebpo on October 18, 2017, 10:55:19 PM
I finished 'salem's Lot!

Was a fun book. I wish it didn't end so quickly because I want more! (which I guess I'll get in Dark Tower book 5 The Wolves of the Calla[han?]). Ordered Night Shift which I may or may not have read as a little kid (I read most of the short story collections like Skeleton Crew, but maybe not Night Shift) because 2 of the short stories in Night Shift are related to 'salem's Lot.

Anyhow, felt sorta like a dark version of ghostbusters, except
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with vampires
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like you had a team of cool peoples working together to stop the evil that is taking over the town. Liked most of the main cast, and there were some good scenes. Bad guy could've used more scenes, the part near the end
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where they go to his coffin in the Marsten House and he leaves this long eloquent letter about his opponents through time and how he was going to murder them all in fun chess like gaming
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was delicious. I liked the main kid Mark.

Afterwards I watched the trailers and random clips from the 1979 and 2004 Rob Lowe adaptations. Was cool seeing some of the scenes brought to life, but I'm not really big on the 1979 version

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Making Barlow some dorky looking Nosferatu guy. In the book he's frightening, especially in the battle scene with Priest Callahan in Mark's home. Even the 2004 version seemed too tame. Like he should be a lot more awe-inspiring ageless and powerful.
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I also liked how they used religion in the book, how it
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was just a source of power like if you believed then your cross would light up or your hammer would get HOLY mod, but once your belief waivers, the cross is just a couple sticks.
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After I read Night Shift, will start up The Wolves of the Calla!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 19, 2017, 02:13:27 AM
I finished 'salem's Lot!

Was a fun book. I wish it didn't end so quickly because I want more! (which I guess I'll get in Dark Tower book 5 The Wolves of the Calla[han?]). Ordered Night Shift which I may or may not have read as a little kid (I read most of the short story collections like Skeleton Crew, but maybe not Night Shift) because 2 of the short stories in Night Shift are related to 'salem's Lot.

Anyhow, felt sorta like a dark version of ghostbusters, except
spoiler (click to show/hide)
with vampires
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like you had a team of cool peoples working together to stop the evil that is taking over the town. Liked most of the main cast, and there were some good scenes. Bad guy could've used more scenes, the part near the end
spoiler (click to show/hide)
where they go to his coffin in the Marsten House and he leaves this long eloquent letter about his opponents through time and how he was going to murder them all in fun chess like gaming
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was delicious. I liked the main kid Mark.

Afterwards I watched the trailers and random clips from the 1979 and 2004 Rob Lowe adaptations. Was cool seeing some of the scenes brought to life, but I'm not really big on the 1979 version

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Making Barlow some dorky looking Nosferatu guy. In the book he's frightening, especially in the battle scene with Priest Callahan in Mark's home. Even the 2004 version seemed too tame. Like he should be a lot more awe-inspiring ageless and powerful.
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I also liked how they used religion in the book, how it
spoiler (click to show/hide)
was just a source of power like if you believed then your cross would light up or your hammer would get HOLY mod, but once your belief waivers, the cross is just a couple sticks.
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After I read Night Shift, will start up The Wolves of the Calla!

It's been 20 years since I read it, but I remember liking it very much.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 19, 2017, 02:17:46 AM
Just finished The Expanse 3: Abaddon's Gate. I was pretty unsure if the Rocinante's crew was going to make it out of this one intact. In the first book, they unceremoniously off one of their crew, and also transformed another beyond humanity, and it made remaining characters feel very tenuously attached to life, like they could be cut from the story with a casualness approaching GRRM authored works. However, while a number of very good characters were killed off during this book, I'm beginning to feel the Rocinante crew is now off-limits.  This was a good story with realistic reactions to shitty situations, some good people died, not enough of the bad people got what was coming to them… in short, a very emotional ride.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: desert punk on October 19, 2017, 08:10:03 AM
Yeah, the Expanse books, at least the first three that I've read, are a fun romp for sure but there was always something hampering my enjoyment.

For the most part it's the characters that bother me a bit: Holden is a giant self-absorbed and ignorant prick, especially in the first book (he gets better in the later books but it’s still grating). Naomi and Amos are interesting, but their potential gets wasted with them mostly just fawning over Holden. Alex is just a guy with a funny accent but not much more. And Miller gets so whiny and pathetically dependent on Holden and the crew later on, it’s cringy to read.

I’m amused at how better the tv show gets in the portrayal of these people: Holden is actually charming and likeable now (while still self-absorbed and naïve at times). The other crew members of the Rocinante are characters with actual motivations of their own now (Alex included). They are quite hostile to Holden in the beginning after what happened to their first ship and he has to win their trust the hard way. Naomi for example gives him the cold shoulder for much of the first season while in the first book she almost immediately lets him get into her pants. Amos quickly became the shows breakout character for his intensity and the casual menace the actor manages to portray, while in the book he was just the jovial big guy with the occasional temper. TV-Miller doesn’t stray too far from the book version but instead of simply being pathetic he gets determined and dangerously effective in his desperation.

I was disappointed in how the subsequent books lose that “Alien”-esque feeling of the first book. But they do a better job in better fleshing out the world and all the factions, something Leviathan Wakes was lacking. The tv show, again, does a better job in that regard, with bringing in characters from later books and use them early in season 1 so they can give a much needed view point of what the big factions are doing elsewhere.

So yeah, at least in my opinion this is one of the rare cases in which the adaption is actually better than the original. I still have book 4 lying around but this one apparently has the same moustache-twirling villains that plagued the prior novels and the same heavy-handed approach to discrimination and racism. So maybe I’m just gonna wait and see how far the show gets before reading on. I still got to watch season 2 :hyper

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: desert punk on October 21, 2017, 05:58:44 AM
I finished High Fidelity from Nick Hornby earlier this week. Going from the premise and the blurb I expected some middling rom-com but it was actually a surprisingly ambiguous and sober outlook on life and relationships in your 30s. The protagonist seems like your quintessential loafer but he’s quite introspective about his failings, though too lazy and too proud in the end to actually make a change.

I like how most other novels with a similar premise would have stopped at the point when the protagonist gets back together with the ex who dumped his ass in the beginning. In this book the story continues for quite a few more chapters in which the old new gf is mercilessly berating the protagonist for his failings and he almost immediately regrets getting back together with her (he’s also having an embarrassing crush on a college student in the meantime). But in the end they both sort of realize that what they have there together is perhaps the best they can achieve. So while the end is not exactly your run-of-the-mill happy end, it’s cautiously optimistic and upbeat.

But what got to me the most was how the protagonist (one of those smug and elitist music enthusiasts and pop culture fetishists) quietly realizes in one of his more introspective moods that song lyrics and Hollywood movies, and the ideals they propagate, have warped his ability to have a stable relationship. To a point where he constantly feels the need to recapture that early high of passion instead of just settling into a mature but sometimes boring and unexciting relationship. The book was written in the early 90s but what Hornby describes is still more than relevant today in an era when everything is being amplified to the umpteenth degree by social media and every little fluff is being hyped into a "once-in-a-lifetime experience". Too afraid to be missing out, you are constantly forced to chase after the next high, to experience the maximum of emotions and sensations. Anything "fun" or "real" that can be shared on Facebook or Tinder so you can prove to virtual strangers that you’re not a boring tool but someone "interesting".
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on November 05, 2017, 02:57:13 AM
Finally got around to Stephen King's IT — 40+ hours of audio. It's pretty damned compelling. I'm having a little trouble keeping track of all the characters, but I'm reluctant to look up a list-of-characters due to the internet's tendency toward casually spoiling plot points.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2017, 10:29:57 AM
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Penelope Helsdottir was never cut out to be a monster huntress. She is too clumsy and timid. Not like her tough, older sister Kara and their legendary mother Hilda Helsdottir. Penny stays far away from battle and spends her time researching monsters in forbidden texts to help her mother and sister. But when Kara and Hilda go missing on a lost island of ancient evil, it is up to Penny to leave behind her soft life and journey to the island to find out what has happened to her family.

Become Penelope and learn the ways of hunting monsters as you choose your own adventure. Face off against twisted, Lovecraftian horrors in this darkly erotic fantasy adventure on an island overrun with monsters and cursed with blasphemous fertility. YOU will make the decisions for Penny and it could mean the difference between life, death, or something far, far worse. Unravel the truth of the cult of the Great One and destroy the horrors that threaten to consume mankind. Or embrace your inner evil and join with the eldritch darkness that haunts this strange island.

Includes 25 different interactive monster encounters like ogres, twisted goblinoids, scyllas, mimics, swamp amphibians, goat-horned demigods, and many more! Branching paths of virtue and corruption and multiple traveling companions will give you a reason to read the book more than once. With 83 different endings, most of them bad, this 460,000+ word epic will leave you terrified but unable to stop reading, even when you surrender to eldritch lust!
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Post by: desert punk on November 09, 2017, 10:50:28 AM
Does it have pictures?  :takei

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...of tentacle porn?  :expert
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2017, 11:44:07 AM
I'm not sure, but I feel like that would have been listed a major selling point if there were.
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Post by: desert punk on November 09, 2017, 12:47:43 PM
 :fbm

Thought you've already read it.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 09, 2017, 12:55:05 PM
Going through War of the Worlds at the moment. Started collecting the SF Masterworks books.
Also reading James Clavell's Shogun.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2017, 03:00:41 PM
:fbm

Thought you've already read it.

Sorry, I prefer my Lovecraftian erotica to have a little more literary heft than a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure novel.  :snob
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Post by: desert punk on November 09, 2017, 03:03:28 PM
Shogun is a great read, though it does have it's lengths. Clavell spends a lot of time in details and builds up a huge cast of characters. It's a rich and complex world he creates this way but, even though it's a huge book, it comes at the cost of a sluggish pacing and a rushed ending.

I read Shogun's predecessor Tai-Pan first. This one has a much better pacing and is more thrilling as a result. But otherwise Shogun's the better book. Tai-Pan's protagonist is such a fucking Gary Stu, outsmarting everyone else and with every female character lusting after his dick. Otherwise the women in this book might as well not exist. The protagonist but also the other characters are much better handled in Shogun, the women too surprisingly. Clavell also toned down the racism quite a bit. From the shifty, cackling Cantonese to the proud and honorable Japanese. It ain't perfect and still very clichéd but you can see how the author respects the Japanese. Weird considering that Clavell spent time in a Japanese prisoner camp during the Pacific War.

I tried reading Noble House next, but all the negative shit from Tai-Pan, the Gary Stu, the sexism, the racism, came back in force but with the same sluggish pace from Shogun. Never finished it and I doubt I'm gonna read the rest of Clavell's books.


Sorry, I prefer my Lovecraftian erotica to have a little more literary heft than a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure novel.  :snob

Lol didn't know that genre even existed. Thought this was some kind of RPG game book or something.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 09, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
I finished reading De berg van licht by Louis Couperus a few days ago and Shogun reads like a pulp novel compared to that one.

De berg van licht (The mountain of light.) is a historical novel about Elegabalus, one of rome's emperors. From a historical standpoint it's a fantastic read as it's pretty much a retelling of the real events, but the ammount of flowery prose is such a slog to get through at times.
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Post by: desert punk on November 09, 2017, 03:31:53 PM
Yeah, Clavell's books are pulpy adventure novels and hardly sophisticated. But nonetheless, Shogun at least is a fun read.

That book about Elagabal sounds interesting. I just looked and it seems there's a translation and the kindle version is for free.
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Post by: kingv on November 09, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
Right now I’m reading the Punch Escrow. Basically a 100 years in the future story about teleportation, where it doesn’t work exactly as sold by the company.

Weirdly, the book I read last was called “the fold” it was also about teleportation gone wrong.

I recommend both.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 14, 2017, 02:09:22 PM
Grabbed The Invention of Science out of one of those shared book bins. It got a nude dude in a bathtub shouting: "Eureka!" on the first page, there's also a crown on the floor, so I'm expecting a Game of Thrones styled romp with this one. Should be fun.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2017, 06:44:33 AM
couldn't believe i hadn't read this

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71145u8JAvL.jpg)

also i'm hoping it'll give me a leg up or at least some pro-tips for the Novid ARG
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Post by: shosta on November 21, 2017, 06:46:23 AM
I bought a copy after Chichikov recommended it to me. It's good.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2017, 06:54:13 AM
I enjoyed how the CIA came into existence basically the same way Kramer started working at that company, just kept showing up because nobody really put a stop to it. Only they had a much better card to play when called in with the whole "you can't get rid of us! WE NEED MORE FUNDING TO PROTECT NATIONAL SECURITY!"
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 21, 2017, 08:25:12 AM
Reading De lage landen bij de zee by Jan and Annie Romein.

It's the history of the low lands (The Netherlands) from the stone age up till the 1930s.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 21, 2017, 09:03:54 AM
couldn't believe i hadn't read this

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also i'm hoping it'll give me a leg up or at least some pro-tips for the Novid ARG

This is the good shit.

Been rereading The Ticket That Exploded because it’s my favorite book ever. Trying to pay more attention to the appendices and notes by the duder that restored the text.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 21, 2017, 09:40:43 AM
This is also a good one, if you haven’t already read it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge:_The_Secret_War_between_the_FBI_and_CIA
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: desert punk on November 21, 2017, 06:01:38 PM
I've been reading a rather extensive history of the Roman Republic since summer (History of Rome by Theodor Mommsen) and I just finished the chapters dealing with the Second Punic War, so I decided to look up some historical novel about that period.

What I found was an alternative history novel called Hannibal's Children, the first of two books, speculating about what would have happened if Carthage had won the war. In this book Hannibal actually received the reinforcements promised to him by Macedonia after the Battle of Cannae and so managed to push the Romans back to their capital and besieging it. But instead of wiping them out completely, he offered them the choice to go into exile across the Alps to never return to Italy. Agreeing to that, though privately swearing revenge, the Romans mass-migrate to what is today Austria. They build a new Rome and a new Empire there, and after a hundred years they decide to come back to reclaim Italy.

I'm about one-third into the novel and while the premise is a bit wonky and the book overall rather pulpy, it's good fun and I'm enjoying it. I like alt-history stories, at least as long as it's not always about the same corny stuff. You know like, what would have happened if Hitler's dog survived or shit like that  :doge
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on November 21, 2017, 07:27:58 PM
I'm 95% through Stephen King's IT. My first read-through; feels like when I watch Stranger Things, there will be a great deal of crossover. I wanted to read the book prior to seeing the recent movie, and now I think I know what to expect about how the movie is "half" of the book — I'm guessing the movie is the part with the kids, and maybe doesn't deal with the tale of them as adults? The novel holds up very well, is plenty suspenseful and engaging and heartbreaking. I can see why it was such a landmark horror novel.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 21, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
(History of Rome by Theodor Mommsen)
one of the founding classics of modern historiography; how are you liking it?
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Post by: shosta on November 21, 2017, 08:42:24 PM
I'm 95% through Stephen King's IT. My first read-through; feels like when I watch Stranger Things, there will be a great deal of crossover. I wanted to read the book prior to seeing the recent movie, and now I think I know what to expect about how the movie is "half" of the book — I'm guessing the movie is the part with the kids, and maybe doesn't deal with the tale of them as adults? The novel holds up very well, is plenty suspenseful and engaging and heartbreaking. I can see why it was such a landmark horror novel.
The movie covers just the first half of the book with their experience as children. The movie ends with: "IT: PART 1".
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Post by: chronovore on November 22, 2017, 12:30:57 AM
I'm 95% through Stephen King's IT. My first read-through; feels like when I watch Stranger Things, there will be a great deal of crossover. I wanted to read the book prior to seeing the recent movie, and now I think I know what to expect about how the movie is "half" of the book — I'm guessing the movie is the part with the kids, and maybe doesn't deal with the tale of them as adults? The novel holds up very well, is plenty suspenseful and engaging and heartbreaking. I can see why it was such a landmark horror novel.
The movie covers just the first half of the book with their experience as children. The movie ends with: "IT: PART 1".
The book treats both threads progressing concurrently, interwoven with each other, sometimes changing chapters mid-sentence. It's compelling, though I see how the movie's format is preferable.
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Stan's gonna get short shrift though.
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Post by: desert punk on November 22, 2017, 03:16:28 PM
(History of Rome by Theodor Mommsen)
one of the founding classics of modern historiography; how are you liking it?

It’s really great. I didn’t expect it to be that readable, but Mommsen’s prose is really really good (at least in the German original that I’m reading). He shows so much passion and intensity, particularly when describing important events and battles. But even when he gets into the minutiae of the constitution, religious customs or whatever, it never gets boring. I also like his wit, as subtle and dry as it may be.

It may be outdated in parts, but since my knowledge of Ancient Rome is rather shaky the more I move away from the Late Republic and Early Principate era, it’s not as noticeable for me, except maybe the early chapters describing the ethnogenesis of the Italic people. I’m cross-checking a lot anyway and it’s worth reading just for the prose alone.

While Mommsen is never really quite impartial, I did notice a tendency during the Hannibalian war chapters to paint the senate as the voice of reason while heaping the blame for the defeats at Cannae and earlier battles onto the general citizenry and decrying them (quite harshly) for voting fools into the consulship. Not squarely of course, he also blames a general mistrust between senate and people and the dual military leadership of the consuls for the failing war. Still, I wonder how he’s going to reconcile the admiration for the senate he’s showing here with his excessive partisanship for Caesar later on.

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 22, 2017, 04:02:11 PM
I haven’t read it outside a single passage that’s cited offhand in one of Will Durant’s essays (which is killing me because I can’t remember/find it), so I’m afraid I don’t have anything intelligent to add. I will say though that if you’re interested in what a more recent macropolitical survey would look like, Syme’s Roman Revolution and Gruen’s Last Generation of the Roman Republic are worth looking into. Though both are obviously limited to the 1st centuries bc/ad.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2017, 09:35:49 PM
It may be outdated in parts, but since my knowledge of Ancient Rome is rather shaky the more I move away from the Late Republic and Early Principate era,
Isn't everybody's?

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For you non-history dorks/elite degree holders (loser dorks), IIRC that's one of the two periods when there's the big gap missing in ancient historian's accounts. And by gap, I mean that we never found their works about those periods to republish. Even during the Empire, some later historians just sorta fake their way through the periods like writing a capstone paper off the equivalent of 300 AD's Wikipedia "History of Rome" page.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 22, 2017, 10:51:29 PM
There's one period of time (5th and 6th century Britain) where the only real source is a guy who sounds like he's "Get off my lawn" personified: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gildas

Of course, the fact that there's only one (suspect) source is probably proof that Britain was in bad shape at this time but this ties into my overall theory that Britain has always been shit and will always be shit.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2017, 11:44:22 PM
I always thought more historiography courses should start off by explaining the situation with Ancient Greek history which is incredibly well preserved considering the time tables involved. But the general opinion for laymen is that it's vaguely accurate because it can be confirmed elsewhere like through Persian history, etc. but any details are basically later Greek politics. Like if Sean Hannity wrote a history book, he'd probably put Vietnam and stuff in it in a way that's in line with lots of other histories, but all sorts of other stuff would be him fitting stuff into his world view and maybe even making shit up like how the anti-war movement lost it. And you want to approach history with the knowledge that just because Sean Hannity's book is the only one you can find 3000 or even 30 years later...

The five historiography courses I worked on, the one I took, and a few others I've been familiar with, do explore this idea but always seem to use like George Bancroft or Henry Adams (probably because they've received so much attention from historians) even though nobody really knows who they are or what they did let alone anything about antebellum histories, especially not undergrads.

Though the main takeaway I got is that nobody in history departments wants to teach historiography. Our department provided some "incentives" once after the professor of it bolted to South Carolina or something in what felt like the middle of the night (he seriously emptied out his office over the weekend lol) and somebody finally volunteered. Rather than just use the old syllabus and tweak it they wrote their own, I was "on" the "committee" to review them, which was usually a rubber stamp, officially as administration (budget/legal, they aren't scheduling field trips constantly, etc.) but they allowed me to make academic criticisms since I had a masters and all, so I sent a mass e-mail like five minutes after we got it because he started the course with the founding of the American Historical Association and spent half the semester on famous 20th century "historians" before getting to the main part of "how to read newspapers from the library, look up historical documents, etc." for the second half, and I was like "assuming an American focus, this at least needs to start with colonial historiography right?" I don't think they did a historiography course that year. That whole episode explained a lot about that department really in retrospect. Or myself. Like how much of a garbage fun ruiner I am with my stupid faux-intellectualism.
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Post by: desert punk on November 23, 2017, 02:35:43 AM
Even during the Empire, some later historians just sorta fake their way through the periods like writing a capstone paper off the equivalent of 300 AD's Wikipedia "History of Rome" page.

:lol
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 23, 2017, 08:23:42 AM
The biases of historical records should be taken into account.  For example, in the year 5000, after a couple of nuclear winters, people find that the only source that exists about 2017 is RejectEra posts.  Based on that "history", they'd think that Gamergate was some massive watershed moment for humanity.  Also Naughty Dog games were considered the pinnacle of high culture.

Maybe one day we can find a copy of Lives of Famous Whores somewhere.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 28, 2017, 01:50:42 PM
Reading some dutch History of America book.

I like the first few chapters. "The spanish were terrible, but don't worry, the mayans and incas were pieces of shit as well."

The book also said that Columbus brought syfilis back with him to Europe. (I put it in google and found some 2011 study saying they just found that. How the hell does this 1965 dutch history book on the Americas have the same information?)
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Post by: Tasty on December 28, 2017, 02:01:58 PM
The book also said that Columbus brought syfilis back with him to Europe. (I put it in google and found some 2011 study saying they just found that. How the hell does this 1965 dutch history book on the Americas have the same information?)

Rumors that later ended up being confirmed by science? Or a lucky guess?
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Post by: eleuin on December 28, 2017, 02:36:18 PM
"Paper Menagerie" by Ken Liu (https://io9.gizmodo.com/5958919/read-ken-lius-amazing-story-that-swept-the-hugo-nebula-and-world-fantasy-awards)

:tocry
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Post by: Syph on December 28, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
Also Naughty Dog games were considered the pinnacle of high culture.
not entirely untrue
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 28, 2017, 03:42:14 PM
The book also said that Columbus brought syfilis back with him to Europe. (I put it in google and found some 2011 study saying they just found that. How the hell does this 1965 dutch history book on the Americas have the same information?)

Rumors that later ended up being confirmed by science? Or a lucky guess?

Going by wikipedia, we still don't know for sure.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/De_curtorum_chirurgia_8.jpg/800px-De_curtorum_chirurgia_8.jpg)

I like this treatment for a nose defect by syphilis on the page though.
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Post by: shosta on January 04, 2018, 09:22:23 PM
On my list for this month:

Ape and Essence, by Aldous Huxley. I suspect this is actually where Devo got the inspiration for their band name from (the conjecture that as humans developed technologically they would become closer and closer to apes). Short, too, so easy to knock out in a weekend. I defer to a kindred spirit on Goodreads:
"OK BOOK IS NOT HIS BEST BUT DID NOT SEE THAT LOVELY ENDING CMON I CANNOT BE THE ONLY ONE ESP AFTER ALL THAT DEVIL WORSHIPPING ?"

Hitch-22, Christopher Hitchens' autobiography.

Letters to a Young Contrarian, also by Christopher Hitchens. An instructive missive on being the dissident. This reminds me that I need to reread Rules for Radicals.

On Language, by William Saffire. Well known conservative NYT columnist.

A Canticle for Leibowitz. Frequently cited as one of the best science fiction novels of the 20th century. Incredibly influential. So I'm finally going to read it.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 24, 2018, 11:46:16 AM
gardens of the moon.  You can read the first 5 books in the series before the reading order gets complicated (and even then its not complicated like a lot of people try to make it seem)

Note that GotM was written a decade before the rest of the books and so its writing style is not nearly as good as the rest of the series.  Also its ok that its confusing.  Just roll with it - its part of the experience.
OK, we need to talk about this Arvie.

I got the book started to read it. It got stolen when I was about 80 pages in. I went and read a bunch of history books and finally got around to re-ordering it. I'm about halfway and well.....I don't know what to make of it.

I mean the first hundred or so pages are rather well written. Very tight and moves well. You understand who the characters are, and what is happening, to an extent. After that though, it sorta falls off a cliff. The author does some stuff that just irks me. First off he throws a bunch of characters and places and things at you and doesn't explain who they are, why they're important, what they want, etc. It started to grate on me and I actually wrote some stuff down. For example: Dude starts a chapter by giving you 4 new names of things in the first sentence of the chapter. I wrote these words down. 125 pages later, none of those words were important or came up again. I'm not saying everything needs to be Chekov's gun but man, don't overwhelm me with terminology and stuff I don't have to remember.

Also, a lot of the interactions are not really believable. That's fine, usually, fantasy writers are 10x better at making a world that works than characters that work, it's par for course. Annoying, but I'm not going to fault him too much there. There's a lot of threads out there and floating around. I feel like the author let the world get away from him and everything feels like a jumbled mess right now. It really worked well in the first hundred pages with fewer characters and all that. Now it feels like we're following everyone, everywhere and people keep popping up....sorta.

I don't know what to make of it honestly. I'm still reading it to see if it all gets back in line, like it was in the beginning, and I'm going on the recommendation. If Arvie said it's not bad, I'll give it a full opportunity. I guess we'll see.
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Post by: shosta on January 24, 2018, 09:57:25 PM
cross post from some other forum...

I'm not sure what sort of audience this might have on this forum, but I've been trying to think of books about computing writ large that I've enjoyed a lot, and I came up with a few of the most important to me:

1. The Art of Unix Programming - Eric S. Raymond (2003). Curiously, a book about programming with no code examples, and yet this book more than anything else in recent memory managed to sustain the feeling of epiphany every page, from the beginning up until the very end. It's filled with UNIX history, a succinct and faithful explanation of its principles, why it was successful in most ways, why it's not successful in others, but most importantly how to design tools and software which are simple, robust, and withstand the test of time. Things which are counterintuitive to novice developers but have proven themselves. For instance, using strings as the universal interface. One might prefer a well defined data language (like JSON) or a binary format to an ad-hoc line structure, and yet... the web and email are two of the longest lasting protocols in the entire history of software and are text based.

2. Communicating Sequential Processes - Tony Hoare (1985). As far as practical techniques are concerned, this book is outdated and written in horribly typeset LISP. If you want to learn relevant techniques for building concurrent and parallel software, read Effective Concurrency in C++ by Herb Sutter. But this book presented a clear and methodical way of understanding concurrent processes. The beginning is still so, so memorable to me:

    Forget for a while about computers and computer programming, and think
    instead about objects in the world around us, which act and interact with us and
    with each other in accordance with some characteristic pattern of behaviour.
    Think of clocks and counters and telephones and board games and vending
    machines. ...

And so begins your journey. I cannot recommend reading this enough for its methodical treatment of "concurrent processes", in the most abstract of terms. The other most memorable thing about this book to me was the paradoxical lesson that adding concurrency to a program is a way of simplifying it, not making it more complicated. If you love the clarity of mathematical thinking, this book is for you.

3. The Common Lisp Hyperspec - Kent Pitman (1996? Probably earlier). This is an HTML version based on (but not exactly) the ANSI Common Lisp language standard, which was also (mostly) written by Kent Pitman. Yes, I have read this spec front-to-back. This is the document which made me appreciate that a language could be *engineered*, that there were not just academic languages but ones which had labor and care put into them based on decades of experience for the single goal of being useful. I've long stopped using Common Lisp but, like a highschool sweetheart, it will always be my first love. Kent himself is such a wonderful writer. Humble but dextrous. If you like Lisp and Lisp history, it is worth your time to track down his various blog/BBS posts and read them.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2018, 11:17:00 AM
https://twitter.com/adoringfack/status/956003144265236480

https://twitter.com/se4realhinton/status/956009351403229184

:lucas :lucas :lucas :lucas :lucas
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on January 27, 2018, 01:04:38 PM
Still going through that history of America.

Apparently Benjamin Franklin's grandmother was a white slave from England. Seems his grandfather bought her from the slave owner and married her.

History is great.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: VomKriege on January 27, 2018, 01:20:29 PM
I've started reading a bit again and I'm patiently crawling through Anna Karenina. I regret not having been more astute because that book is a joy. I'm currently at the part where Levine brother died and Anna tries to see his son in Petersburg as Alexis is trying to rebuild his home on God and countess Ivanovna. Every page or so will have a tactful, just description of feelings I can relate to. Hopefully the ridiculously character heavy plot makes it easier to hop in and out, the beauty lies in their study and not so much on story beats.

I have still a good 1/3 to go through but I really look forward to finish it and attack a new novel. I keep buying books despite and I want to reduce that backlog (Dr.Zhivago recently).
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on January 27, 2018, 01:46:59 PM
I have still a good 1/3 to go through but I really look forward to finish it and attack a new novel. I keep buying books despite and I want to reduce that backlog (Dr.Zhivago recently).

Own over 500 books, have actually only read like 250 of them...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 27, 2018, 08:11:53 PM
 I’m still working my way through the Expanse series, and audio book form, and finished the fourth one. I have not been impressed at all with the third one, so I was very excited how well paced and coherent the last when I read was. I’m happy to have a good series I can stick with. I may end up reading listening to all of them.

 In contrast, I am reading Chuck Wendig’s AFTERMATH, the new Star Wars canon novel of what happened after Return of the Jedi. I didn’t sample it before purchasing it, or I might not have. It is a dramatic reading with sound effects and music. I don’t need any of that stuff, and it encourages scenery chewing reading rather than storytelling. Not feeling it.
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Post by: VomKriege on February 01, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
Anna leaves me cold and Vronski comes through as a but of an asshole, both being pretty self centered. The narrator hides nothing of their flaws but there's a bit of a Laura Palmer syndrom going on with the unabashed praise from every character which elicit suspicion from me. I'm at the part where she meets Levin and I can't really believe he would just be instantly gushing given how restrained of a man he is.

I've read that part months ago but that wedding proposal with chalk had me emotional.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 01, 2018, 07:40:12 PM
gardens of the moon.  You can read the first 5 books in the series before the reading order gets complicated (and even then its not complicated like a lot of people try to make it seem)

Note that GotM was written a decade before the rest of the books and so its writing style is not nearly as good as the rest of the series.  Also its ok that its confusing.  Just roll with it - its part of the experience.
OK, we need to talk about this Arvie.

I got the book started to read it. It got stolen when I was about 80 pages in. I went and read a bunch of history books and finally got around to re-ordering it. I'm about halfway and well.....I don't know what to make of it.

I mean the first hundred or so pages are rather well written. Very tight and moves well. You understand who the characters are, and what is happening, to an extent. After that though, it sorta falls off a cliff. The author does some stuff that just irks me. First off he throws a bunch of characters and places and things at you and doesn't explain who they are, why they're important, what they want, etc. It started to grate on me and I actually wrote some stuff down. For example: Dude starts a chapter by giving you 4 new names of things in the first sentence of the chapter. I wrote these words down. 125 pages later, none of those words were important or came up again. I'm not saying everything needs to be Chekov's gun but man, don't overwhelm me with terminology and stuff I don't have to remember.

Also, a lot of the interactions are not really believable. That's fine, usually, fantasy writers are 10x better at making a world that works than characters that work, it's par for course. Annoying, but I'm not going to fault him too much there. There's a lot of threads out there and floating around. I feel like the author let the world get away from him and everything feels like a jumbled mess right now. It really worked well in the first hundred pages with fewer characters and all that. Now it feels like we're following everyone, everywhere and people keep popping up....sorta.

I don't know what to make of it honestly. I'm still reading it to see if it all gets back in line, like it was in the beginning, and I'm going on the recommendation. If Arvie said it's not bad, I'll give it a full opportunity. I guess we'll see.

Just seeing this now.  Bascially this is how everyone feels reading the book.  Don't worry.   Now some people hate it and stop the series, others continue.  It gets better, and his writing improves a hell of a lot by book 2 which makes a lot of the issues - like character interactions - better.  There are also a lot of characters and all of them are important.  Again Gardens is particularly bad in regards to this but this is pretty much all the books.  The cool thing is that minor characters all have a story and some of their stories are damn good.  There is a character that only gets a few paragraphs in books 4 and 6 then about 60 pages in book 7 and in those 60 pages becomes one of the most loved characters in the series. 

The main issue is there is no Harry Potter or Bilbo to discover the world with the reader.  You are thrown into it - and into the middle of a war to boot - with  all characters having some understanding of the world.  And it gets worse in that there is no Dumboldor or Gandolf that knows what's what in the world to eventually explain it to you.  In fact, knowledge is power in Malazan and the people that know some things will not share it very often and may actually lie to the reader on a rare occasion.  No one in the world of Malazan has a complete picture of things and that makes it really hard for a reader.  Also, the world of Malazan is very dynamic so the way things were does not necessarily mean they stay that way.  So feeling the like the world building got away with the author is a very natural feeling.  You won't start getting a non-hazy vision of the world until book 3.  When it starts to click it will be an awesome feeling and well worth the initial confusion. 

Its worth pointing out that SE wrote the books with the intention of trying to not fall for standard fantasy tropes like the Farm Boy trope with Harry or Bilbo.  This is particularly apparent with Gardens when the writing is clunky and doesn't always work.  Its also worth pointing that Gardens is really just a fraction of Malazan and my feelings about it are very coloured by what comes next.  It is a much better book after having read books 2-4. 

new siege of Pale image https://i.redd.it/ohpqbo8bymd01.jpg
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on February 01, 2018, 08:05:14 PM
Thanks for the reply. I was starting to think "man, I must be dense" and while that's true, it's good to know that it didn't have much to do with my general feeling of being perplexed
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 01, 2018, 08:16:24 PM
Also if you keep reading.  Stay away from google and the malazan wiki.  Go to r/malazan if you have questions.  They answer everything in non-spoiler ways.
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Post by: kingv on February 01, 2018, 10:33:01 PM
I’m still working my way through the Expanse series, and audio book form, and finished the fourth one. I have not been impressed at all with the third one, so I was very excited how well paced and coherent the last when I read was. I’m happy to have a good series I can stick with. I may end up reading listening to all of them.

 In contrast, I am reading Chuck Wendig’s AFTERMATH, the new Star Wars canon novel of what happened after Return of the Jedi. I didn’t sample it before purchasing it, or I might not have. It is a dramatic reading with sound effects and music. I don’t need any of that stuff, and it encourages scenery chewing reading rather than storytelling. Not feeling it.

I had kind of heard the same about aftermath and thus haven't read it. The new trilogy desperately needs something to explain the events after rotj.

By the way, I recently read the Southern Reach series because I was at the library and the cover looked cool. I'd pretty much recommend it. It's a pretty fascinating mystery, but it is not resolved very cleanly.

The movie Annihilation looks like its barely freaking based on it though, despite being an interpretation.
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Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2018, 11:51:55 PM
https://twitter.com/scottlynch78/status/959277334447755264

I thing I did not know about Scott Lynch! I want to go back to this series.


I’m still working my way through the Expanse series, and audio book form, and finished the fourth one. I have not been impressed at all with the third one, so I was very excited how well paced and coherent the last when I read was. I’m happy to have a good series I can stick with. I may end up reading listening to all of them.

 In contrast, I am reading Chuck Wendig’s AFTERMATH, the new Star Wars canon novel of what happened after Return of the Jedi. I didn’t sample it before purchasing it, or I might not have. It is a dramatic reading with sound effects and music. I don’t need any of that stuff, and it encourages scenery chewing reading rather than storytelling. Not feeling it.

I had kind of heard the same about aftermath and thus haven't read it. The new trilogy desperately needs something to explain the events after rotj.

By the way, I recently read the Southern Reach series because I was at the library and the cover looked cool. I'd pretty much recommend it. It's a pretty fascinating mystery, but it is not resolved very cleanly.

The movie Annihilation looks like its barely freaking based on it though, despite being an interpretation.

I've picked up Annihilation and plan to read it at some point. The movie looks good, but I try and keep movie adaptations separate in my head.


Thanks for the reply. I was starting to think "man, I must be dense" and while that's true, it's good to know that it didn't have much to do with my general feeling of being perplexed
I was just as baffled with some of it going on. One thing I recall is that there are apparently two characters that are actually just ONE character, but no-one knows it — especially not the reader. So… yeah, GOOD ONE, Erikson! You got us!  :-\
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2018, 12:11:34 AM
Who?
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 02, 2018, 12:54:23 AM
Finished listening to the Antidote which is about how people embrace hardships instead of denying them, kind of an anti self-help book.

It was pretty interesting for someone like me who is not big on only "positive thinking" for positive thinking sake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKxzszeIPkE&t=114s

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/jun/22/the-antidote-oliver-burkeman-review (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/jun/22/the-antidote-oliver-burkeman-review)
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Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2018, 01:03:53 AM
Oh, I forgot to post here, I read House of Leaves last month for a book club. Pretty much every review on Goodreads is like 5 star or 1 star.

Didn't love it, didn't hate it, had some interesting ideas, sections, layers, was enjoyable about as often as it was skimmable, worked as a satire of high-literary analysis, but also was a lot of waste of time (20 page chapter on how echoes work; don't even get me started on some of the footnotes). Took me a bit to get the book, and when I did and learned to parse what's worth reading and what's worth skimming was pretty entertaining. End was a bit weak.

Big ass book, but worth a read. Can't get passionate about it either way. 3 stars  :idont

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Post by: chronovore on February 02, 2018, 08:22:24 AM
Oh, I forgot to post here, I read House of Leaves last month for a book club. Pretty much every review on Goodreads is like 5 star or 1 star.

Didn't love it, didn't hate it, had some interesting ideas, sections, layers, was enjoyable about as often as it was skimmable, worked as a satire of high-literary analysis, but also was a lot of waste of time (20 page chapter on how echoes work; don't even get me started on some of the footnotes). Took me a bit to get the book, and when I did and learned to parse what's worth reading and what's worth skimming was pretty entertaining. End was a bit weak.

Big ass book, but worth a read. Can't get passionate about it either way. 3 stars  :idont
Best way to enjoy house of leaves is through the author's sister's album, which is sublime.

Who?
Scott Lynch, author of the Gentlemen Bastard series. The Lies of Locke Lamorra is one of the best fantasy books I've ever read.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2018, 08:51:56 AM
No the two characters that are actually just one character?
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Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2018, 12:14:00 PM
Oh, I forgot to post here, I read House of Leaves last month for a book club. Pretty much every review on Goodreads is like 5 star or 1 star.

Didn't love it, didn't hate it, had some interesting ideas, sections, layers, was enjoyable about as often as it was skimmable, worked as a satire of high-literary analysis, but also was a lot of waste of time (20 page chapter on how echoes work; don't even get me started on some of the footnotes). Took me a bit to get the book, and when I did and learned to parse what's worth reading and what's worth skimming was pretty entertaining. End was a bit weak.

Big ass book, but worth a read. Can't get passionate about it either way. 3 stars  :idont
Best way to enjoy house of leaves is through the author's sister's album, which is sublime.

Music album?
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Post by: chronovore on February 04, 2018, 08:24:01 PM
(…)
Best way to enjoy house of leaves is through the author's sister's album, which is sublime.

Music album?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haunted_(Poe_album)
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Post by: shosta on February 08, 2018, 03:12:24 PM
The Order of Things, by Foucault. Is this what people in college are reading nowadays?
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 08, 2018, 04:05:13 PM
The Order of Things, by Foucault.
ayy. Lemme know how it goes. Whether you like it, or your humanity gets effaced like ocean waves wiping away marks in sand on the beach.
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Is this what people in college are reading nowadays?
about ~40 years ago, sure. Nowadays people crack into foucault with discipline and punish primarily, maybe history of sexuality or his lectures at Berkeley (which are fairly accessible). Order of things and archaeology are hugely important to his methodology but they mark they end of his early period, so they don’t deal directly with the sociological/anthropological themes like power/sex of his later stuff (they do inform that later stuff though). Also importantly, they give the best sense of the philosophy of science tradition he’s growing out of; it’s important to remember he’s as much an inheritor of canguilhem and batailles as Levi-Strauss.
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Post by: shosta on February 10, 2018, 05:49:42 PM
Jake: I'm halfway through. Blowing my mind.
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Post by: TVC15 on February 10, 2018, 06:10:32 PM
I read House of Leaves like 20 years ago when it came out. It’s fun. It’s a weird situation of the book relying on a cheap gimmick while simultaneously being pretty far up its own ass. I had just discovered Jorge Luis Borges 2 or so years before reading it, so I enjoyed the many references to him and his work. I tried to reread it at some point and, well, it ended up being a one time ride for me. Just read Borges instead. At least his stuff is like all under 10 pages.
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Post by: shosta on February 10, 2018, 07:04:27 PM
TVC, the current year is 2018. Are you ok?
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Post by: TVC15 on February 10, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
TVC, the current year is 2018. Are you ok?

Oh, fuck, that was in reference to House of Leaves. I forgot to quote the post, lol.

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Post by: TVC15 on February 10, 2018, 07:09:22 PM
Also, Order of Things is one of my least favorite of the big Foucault books. Discipline and Punish along with Madness and Civilization are my faves.

I figured I should add a comment relevant to your post :p
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Post by: shosta on February 10, 2018, 07:10:30 PM
TVC, what's your story? I love your old gay from Stonewall vibe.
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Post by: TVC15 on February 10, 2018, 07:19:48 PM
I don’t know how to begin answering that. I like transgressive stuff and wish the world was more interesting than it is.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2018, 04:18:31 PM
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Interesting semi-insider account of part of the Libor scandal, namely the only person to receive a jail sentence for it. Although it plays up a bit too much how the one character is an autistic savant, and some others had no formal education and came up the hard way and blah blah blah. It's obvious just from the material included in the first half which is supposed to portray the success before the storm that they knew, but they didn't care. Even the guy the blurb and book cover portray as a semi-victim is very clear in the recorded messages/e-mails/etc. from the time that he knew what he was doing and he was manipulating the brokers and his own bank as much if not more than they were supposedly manipulating him into this cabal.

The book also hits on but scurries away from the WHY aspect of how the "scam" worked, no one had a prior interest in it because it was effectively working as intended just not how they claimed it was intended, and this was because most people didn't care as long as it "worked" from their point of view.

The money was being made on the fringes of deals, like the Office Space scam, and would have continued to operate arguably just fine. Except you know, the banks collapsed, which exposed the fraud and more importantly removed the countepressures within the system. It notes a few times that Hayes couldn't get Libor moved in the direction he wanted because others banks were moving it against him, and later he even pisses off the employee in his own bank so that guy moves it against him, and it goes even further to note that the favors he was calling in, especially with brokers, were often ignored and they didn't actually know who to call or how to pressure Libor in a direction and more importantly they knew that Hayes wouldn't know this. (This is actually how the brokers avoided jail, by arguing that they didn't actually do anything but lie to their clients, which is a key part of their job.)

So again the problem was when the banks collapsed, Libor was exposed, especially because many of the banks who would have been countermanipulating it ceased to exist or at minimum stopped lending to other banks. So the difference between many variables went from explainable as noise to evidence of deliberate manipulation attempts. Which people knew was happening for years, and was complained about for as long.

This is probably an odd complaint from me of all people, but the book seems especially hard on the regulatory bodies and governmental oversight bodies. Even as the book explains how Libor existed and how it was never tied to any of those, where even the banks themselves didn't know or care how it operated. Amusingly, it seems the only significant country with a regulatory arm that could have legitimately claimed oversight was the United States, but that our banks assumed it was being regulated elsewhere. When the UK regulators actually ran interference against both the US government and US banks from trying to get involved or investigate or prosecute, and the entire system placed significant pressures on the branches US banks were operating in London to not tell the motherland banks anything. (Even though they in many cases arguably couldn't.)

One of the ball rolling moments was when a lowly official at a US branch of a smaller German bank contacted the Fed of New York about how this was being manipulated by non-US banks to the detriment of all kinds of people, and the Fed just forwarded it on to another agency and eventually it wound up at the CFTC who had to fuck everything up by starting an investigation after later reading about a WSJ story and tying it to this report they had sitting around. And when the private industry ran UK BBA (which owned Libor) got requests from the CFTC for basic information on how it works they forwarded it on to British regulators (who were headed by a man who had all his e-mails printed out for him into 2010, the real crime of this story) the UK regulators told the BBA to shut the fuck up about this and organized with all the banks to basically tell the CFTC to stick to the colonies, thanks.

Favourite paragraph maybe:
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"If Goldmans can get it wrong, maybe there's a complete lack of public understanding?" Fisher wrote to Ewan. "If so, I would start by putting the official definition on the BBA website. And then get someone's son or daughter to edit Wikipedia [which had the wrong definition Goldmans used in their internal report]." A week later, someone corrected Wikipedia's definition. It was perhaps the only time that the BBA actually addressed a grievance about Libor.

Also nearly everyone involved apparently has "ruddy" cheeks. Unless they're a fee-male, then they all have high cheekbones and/or are pale. Someone should investigate the strange coincidence of that.
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Post by: shosta on February 14, 2018, 01:39:05 AM
Thinking of picking up Philosophical Investigations by Wittgenstein because I just remembered the duck-rabbit thing from highschool. Worth reading?
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Post by: desert punk on February 14, 2018, 05:16:35 AM
Finished Vineland from Thomas Pynchon earlier this month. Wasn’t my first Pynchon, I’ve already read The Crying of Lot 49 and Inherent Vice over the course of the last 2 years or so.

Was apprehensive when I contemplated reading him back then because he’s known for being obscure and difficult to read. But I didn’t really expect him to be this funny when I finally started with The Crying of Lot 49. I really dig his zany style, the weird characters he populates his equally crazy world with and that general feeling of confusion he creates with his opaque but clever prose. Pynchon is still a lot of fun, even if you have no clue what’s going on at times.

I liked Vineland a lot, though I can’t say if it’s better than the other books I’ve read. I did use a reading guide I found online this time, so I got a better handle on the myriad of references Pynchon makes than before. But like I said, for me it ain’t really that important if I miss some of the allusions and points he’s trying to make. His prose alone can sustain me just fine.
 
That said, I generally like the broad points he makes in regards to the downfall of hippie culture (caused as much by Nixon’s War on Drugs as by their own ignorance and weakness), and the complacency and media and television addiction of the Reagan Era. Though the most fun I had was during the middle of the novel, when he's riffing on William Gibson and cyberpunk, Godzilla and other fun shit :hyper
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Post by: shosta on February 14, 2018, 05:20:01 AM
You've gotta read Gravity's Rainbow!
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Post by: desert punk on February 14, 2018, 05:41:34 AM
You've gotta read Gravity's Rainbow!

Yeah, it's gonna be the next Pynchon on my list, though I think I'm gonna do a re-read of Inherent Vice before that.
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Post by: Corporal on February 19, 2018, 09:36:06 AM
Darn you all for reading all these fancy stuffs. Where's my fast food reading?

Time for webnovels. And I'm not talking about the 1000+ chapter monstrosities that some authors vomit at their readers. I'm more for the bite-sized variety. Short stories are OK too.

Examples:

Mulberry song. A shortish story dealing with loss and mourning. A man gains the throne but loses the love of his life in the process. She can't simply leave him alone and watches over him as a ghost. So we watch him grow old ....that's pretty much it. Kind of a sobstory, but has a nice ending. Fulfilling, in a way. I want me some of that bitter sweet reality-transcending love.
Four chapters.
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/mulberry-song/


My Hero. On friendship, and small acts of kindness that unknowingly have a big effect. A guy gets roped into babysitting his friend, the hero, who often wanders off and has his head in the clouds. They go and beat the baddy... And then the story is retold from another perspective.
Short story.
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/my-hero/


Our second Master. Its got a cripple in it! Written from the perspective of a lowly and of course not beautiful maid. She gets beaten and abused by the second master, a peerless beauty and major playboy. Then a catastrophe happens, and the severely wounded in body and spirit second master finds himself left with no options and no future, but with only that one pesky servant still at his side. Yeah, you know where this is going, but the titular second master has a major redemption arc that is pretty damn satisfying to read. No surprises, but feel good stuff with just the right amount of sugar and spice for a short snack.
Seven chapters.
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/our-second-master/


So yeah. Git 2 muh levl nubs. Let's roll around in the gutter for a while.
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Post by: TVC15 on February 19, 2018, 11:04:05 AM
my copy o this came in

(https://i.imgur.com/VzLEZvO.jpg)
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Post by: desert punk on February 19, 2018, 12:39:41 PM
Finished the Foundation-Trilogy by Isaac Asimov yesterday evening. I actually only read the last book, The Second Foundation, while I listened to a radio adaption of the first two books by the BBC. The radio play was okay but ancient. The sound effects sounded like they stole them straight from Star Trek: TOS. Weird beeps and whistles that hurt my ears after a while. That and the fact that they glossed over a lot of details convinced me to try out the last book at least.

Anyway, the trilogy was okay. As a history buff I appreciate how Asimov adapts the period of transformation of the Roman Empire and Europe from Antiquity to the Dark Ages into a space opera setting. But the basic premise of the novels, that SCIENCETM will prevent or at least shorten the descent of a Galactic Empire into barbarism for thousands of years with the help of some clever mathematics and the machinations of a bunch of stalwart scientists, is kinda naive and starry-eyed. Though context is key I suppose, and Asimov did write these books in the 40s and 50s where people still believed that scientific progress will lead them to salvation and utopia (despite ample evidence proving otherwise).

Other things to criticize are his dry prose and paper-thin characters, though you could argue that the fact that all the books are basically a collection of self-contained novellas, are counterproductive in creating deep characterizations. There are also almost no woman characters of note in the trilogy, except a precocious teenage girl in the last book, who was fun to read but rather inconsequential in the long run regarding the actual plot. The books in general are also a bit boring at times, especially in the first book, which is fragmented in five or six novellas. He gets more interesting in the following two books which consist of two novellas each.

TL;DR: Decent read that has some interesting concepts, but also suffers from boring parts, dry prose and shallow characterizations. Frank Herbert's Dune is the better old school space opera alternative. It deals with similar topics, but with better prose, characters and without the naive glorification of science and progress.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2018, 09:48:09 AM
since i did the CIA one, i figured i might as well

(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1333579847l/13155934.jpg)
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Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2018, 10:55:53 AM
keeping with a theme i suppose

(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1363837044l/17262123.jpg)

about the break-in by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Commission_to_Investigate_the_FBI
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 04, 2018, 04:40:04 AM
G.A. Bredero's Spaanschen Brabander.

A dutch play from the 1600s.
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Post by: Clockwork5 on March 06, 2018, 01:45:25 PM
Just started reading Welcome to the Monkey House. It is a collection of short stories and ramblings by Kurt Vonnegut. One story,"Harrison Bergeron," was particularly fascinating. It is a look at forced equality in the future and was insightful, silly and hilarious in a cunning way. The other stories have been great as well. I'm looking forward to making my way through this collection.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on March 06, 2018, 05:29:13 PM
i've gone from reading books kara would approve of to business books
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Post by: chronovore on March 06, 2018, 06:37:46 PM
i've gone from reading books kara would approve of to business books
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Cool, just like the Baby-Boomers did!
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Post by: shosta on March 07, 2018, 01:27:18 AM
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Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2018, 06:20:27 AM
why doesn't it say "as recommended by etoliate, discussion driver of thebore.com" on the cover?
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Post by: Crash Dummy on March 07, 2018, 04:59:36 PM
i've gone from reading books kara would approve of to business books
[img]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51BT8oqQenL._SX324_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg[img]

Cool, just like the Baby-Boomers did!
what's almost as annoying is that the author gave a 90minute talk that's up on youtube that summarises and covers the book =/
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Post by: shosta on March 07, 2018, 05:01:17 PM
why doesn't it say "as recommended by etoliate, discussion driver of thebore.com" on the cover?
because Burrough is a fucking coward.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 10, 2018, 03:14:41 AM
I jumped on to War & Peace and it is a joy (I mean really... It's the Young & the Restless but with scope, richness and subtlety) but I wanted to comment on the end of Anna Karenina which can be jarring or hilarious, depending on your disposition. Tolstoi is famous for never having been to reconcile in his writing his thoughts as an artist and his opinions as a moralist. Tension in artistic creation is often a good thing and most of the book lies in balance. Sometimes it does not.

Basically the book ends not with the titular character (which killed herself a few months ago at that point) but with Levin, the obvious self insert for Tolstoi, finally rounding the square and getting his late Christian epiphany. Which in itself doesn't bother me. The problem is that prior to that, Levin/Tolstoi savages the arrogance of intellectuals who believe they can tap into the will of the masses on the basis of biased anecdotes (specifically in the story with regards to Slavophiles and their belief that the Russian intervention in the Serbian-Turkish war is a spontaneous, unanimous, demand from the "people"), much to my enjoyment... Then turns around and use exactly the same faulty line of reasoning to justify Christianity  :lol

It's not a detriment to the book but still.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2018, 10:12:06 AM
I like Tolstoy as a writer as there is something fascinating about his approach, but as an anarcho-pacifist I've never really "got him" for all that other stuff he wrote after his existential crisis like a lot of people do. The Kingdom of God Is Within You is regularly listed as anarchist canon but it was just a mess to me from what I recall.

But that may be because I've just always been irreligious, not a convert atheist or otherwise traditional American with enough Christian roots to be able to have a frame of reference with his specific beefs and their importance to his worldview. I often have that problem with dense Christianity.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2018, 10:14:14 AM
Also, I think he went a bit overboard with the whole becoming a peasant hermit in the woods approach to nonviolence. But that's nobility that drops out of college and has to join the army to pay off gambling debts for you I guess.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2018, 02:11:46 PM
Finished Brandon Sanderson's The Hero of Ages capping out the Mistborn trilogy. Took me like 4-5 years to get through the 3 books, mostly because while I liked each one I never loved any of them so I'd read other stuff for a year or two before getting back to the next book in the series. This is my first Cosmere universe/Sanderson book series and I liked it, but yeah didn't love it. Felt like a JJ Abrams book series. B+ pure entertainment throughout, but no characters too complex or fancy prose. I liked the characters and the most interesting part was the world building of how this fantasy world came to be and its creatures and how all the magic system of metals pushing/pulling worked.

The ending was like very jrpg, felt a bit rushed. Idk, like I said B+ popcorn read. Good enough to get me interested in checking out more of the connected Sanderson universe, so I picked up the transition book for the sequel Mistborn series Alloy of Law as well as Sanderson's first book in Cosmere, Elantris. Will read them sometime. Need to get back to Stephen King's The Dark Tower now and read 5-7. After that maybe will read Elantris.

I'm kinda interested in reading his Stormlight Archives series, but going from Mistborn trilogy 1 I feel like it'll be JJ Abrams version of GRRM's Song of Ice & Fire and I dunno if that'll do it for me. Then again Mistborn was early in Sanderson's writing, so maybe his prose and character morality has improved. But then Stormlight is only 3 books in out of planned 10 and yeah dunno if I want to jump into something that's not going to finish for 20-30 years.


Oh, I forgot to post here, I read House of Leaves last month for a book club. Pretty much every review on Goodreads is like 5 star or 1 star.

Didn't love it, didn't hate it, had some interesting ideas, sections, layers, was enjoyable about as often as it was skimmable, worked as a satire of high-literary analysis, but also was a lot of waste of time (20 page chapter on how echoes work; don't even get me started on some of the footnotes). Took me a bit to get the book, and when I did and learned to parse what's worth reading and what's worth skimming was pretty entertaining. End was a bit weak.

Big ass book, but worth a read. Can't get passionate about it either way. 3 stars  :idont
Best way to enjoy house of leaves is through the author's sister's album, which is sublime.

Yo, Chrono! Did my book club on House of Leaves this week and we all listened to POE's haunted for a the week before to prep and discuss its relation in our discussion Qs. Yeah, good album! Reminds me of NIN x Silent Hill songs. Book club went well, was a lot of "what the fuck does this mean? Idk, IDK, idk..."
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Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2018, 06:16:44 AM
I really love that album.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 13, 2018, 04:53:16 AM
Het woud der verwachting by Hella Haasse (English title: In a Dark Wood Wandering.)

It's a historical novel about Charles of Orleans and basically traces his entire life. Not sure how to feel about it since it's more interesting as an historical account of his life than as a story.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2018, 02:36:35 AM
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1499758046l/33590278.jpg)

A tale that chronicles the long forgotten times (1946-1968) when the government (almost entirely in the office of the Presidency, who were held by men of principled vision and detailed demands for pants) acted solely to achieve The Good (in the Aristotelian sense) and the people followed its mandates knowing they were for The Good. Unlike recent years where the government is so weak, crippled and paralyzed by fear of the people that it does literally nothing and basically no longer exists. A shameful sorry state of an anarchist hellscape ruled by selfish barons who refuse to walk away on the roads that government gifted prior generations.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2018, 02:41:27 AM
it's kinda a book version of this Hillary (rip in peace) argument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9LhWUsrJnM
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Post by: VomKriege on March 17, 2018, 06:45:17 AM
War and Peace is so  :aah
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 17, 2018, 07:08:22 AM
Read The Chrysalids by John Wyndham.

It's about conservative bible thumpers hating mutated humans in the post apocalypse.
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Post by: team filler on March 20, 2018, 06:53:50 AM
reading the original script for dream warriors. it's good, a lot darker. now I want it made into a movie  :-\
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Post by: EVOL on March 20, 2018, 07:19:18 AM
I'm reading The Book of Disquiet by Pessoa, and it's a complete slog. It's a frustrating read because the narrator is so pathetic, it's like the reading Notes From the Underground on steroids.

I liked the bit in which the narrator justifies being a virgin by saying that no woman could ever live up to his fantasies.
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Post by: Snoopycat_ on March 20, 2018, 08:25:55 AM
I was reading Stephen King's The Talisman. Like a lot of people I grew up reading his stuff. Some of it's great, some is pretty bad. The Talisman's one of his better ones. It moves along quickly, there's some interesting characters but best of all it has a strong connection to The Dark Tower series.
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Post by: desert punk on March 20, 2018, 11:29:18 AM
I was reading Stephen King's The Talisman. Like a lot of people I grew up reading his stuff. Some of it's great, some is pretty bad. The Talisman's one of his better ones. It moves along quickly, there's some interesting characters but best of all it has a strong connection to The Dark Tower series.

Outside The Dark Tower series, I've never really got into King. Mostly because I'm not really a fan of horror fiction in general. But the last three Tower books gave me kind of a bad taste and stopped me delving into his other works.

I wanted to try out 11/22/63 but for whatever reason I've always put it off. Now that there's a TV adaption, I think I'd rather watch that.
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Post by: Tasty on March 20, 2018, 12:23:42 PM
reading the original script for dream warriors. it's good, a lot darker. now I want it made into a movie  :-\

It still came out as a pretty good movie IMO.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Snoopycat_ on March 20, 2018, 09:30:40 PM

Outside The Dark Tower series, I've never really got into King. Mostly because I'm not really a fan of horror fiction in general. But the last three Tower books gave me kind of a bad taste and stopped me delving into his other works.

I wanted to try out 11/22/63 but for whatever reason I've always put it off. Now that there's a TV adaption, I think I'd rather watch that.

You might like The Stand. It's one of his most popular books. It's more thriller than horror and it's a pretty decent post apocalyptic story
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on March 21, 2018, 06:18:18 PM
FINALLY finished Use of Weapons. I REALLY wish I hadn't spoiled it for myself. NEVER visit the wikipedia article, even if you're having trouble parsing it. Here's a freebie to help you avoid what I wanted to know, without learning what I didn't want foreknowledge of: There are two chapter-streams, one headed by spelling the number: "one, two," and another with Roman numerals, "I, II," etc. One is moving forward in time, the other backward…

Anything else in the wiki will tell you more than you want to know!

reading the original script for dream warriors. it's good, a lot darker. now I want it made into a movie  :-\
Link, please…


I was reading Stephen King's The Talisman. Like a lot of people I grew up reading his stuff. Some of it's great, some is pretty bad. The Talisman's one of his better ones. It moves along quickly, there's some interesting characters but best of all it has a strong connection to The Dark Tower series.

Outside The Dark Tower series, I've never really got into King. Mostly because I'm not really a fan of horror fiction in general. But the last three Tower books gave me kind of a bad taste and stopped me delving into his other works.

I wanted to try out 11/22/63 but for whatever reason I've always put it off. Now that there's a TV adaption, I think I'd rather watch that.

Isn't that co-written with Peter Straub? I remember liking it well enough. I sometimes misremember it as being cowritten by Dean Koontz, and Koontz dumbs anything down just by association.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 21, 2018, 07:23:11 PM
being spoiled on Use of Weapons would be brutal.  Its one of my biggest O SHIT media moments ever. 
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Post by: team filler on March 21, 2018, 07:59:50 PM
reading the original script for dream warriors. it's good, a lot darker. now I want it made into a movie  :-\

It still came out as a pretty good movie IMO.
I like the movie but we could have a had a true sequel to the original noes. of course it would have likely ended the series, similar to how new nightmare did.

Quote
int. nancy's car---day

nancy's glad to have company on this baked, desolate stretch of road.

nancy

you must be really hot. how can you stand on that asphalt without shoes?
(the hitcher says nothing)
what's your name?
(again, nothing)
where you going?

hitcher

Down.

nancy

down where?

hitcher

down where he fucks you.

 :whew
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Post by: chronovore on March 21, 2018, 08:35:09 PM
being spoiled on Use of Weapons would be brutal.  Its one of my biggest O SHIT media moments ever.

 :'(

Yeah, it is brutal. I ended up reading the entire book, knowing what was coming, and still enjoying it, but HOLY FUCK: Thanks, Obama…
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Post by: Snoopycat_ on March 22, 2018, 07:21:10 AM

Isn't that co-written with Peter Straub? I remember liking it well enough. I sometimes misremember it as being cowritten by Dean Koontz, and Koontz dumbs anything down just by association.

Yeah. King announced a while back that they were working on the third book. There's supposed to be a movie coming out as well.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 29, 2018, 12:57:56 AM
Just saw there's a Warhammer book bundle:

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/tales-from-the-worlds-of-warhammer-books

Any of these a good place to start if you've never read or played Warhammer?
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Post by: chronovore on March 29, 2018, 01:15:21 AM
Southern Reach: ANNIHILATION, AUTHORITY, ACCEPTANCE. Finished the first two books and am starting on the third.

The movie is even more impressive if you're into the books. I've re-watched the movie now, and there are little easter eggs here and there about it, though Garland did the adaptation work when there was only one book out. Vandermeer claims it was planned as three books, but it feels like when Anno claims this is how it was always meant to be for Evangelion, though it is clearly not true. Book 2 and 3 seem to be explaining what was not clear in Book 1.

Vandermeer's use of language is fantastic throughout, through he seems more consistent and less affected in the 2nd book. I love the ideas which are being played with throughout.

For added bonus "language as virus" or "language as mental constraint" value, I also happened to watch
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PONTYPOOL
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, which I'll write up separately in the Movies Thread, but /man/ the synchronicity is strong right now.
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Post by: EVOL on March 29, 2018, 11:04:57 AM
I just threw The Book of Disquiet into the garbage, couldn't handle it anymore and just picked up Nausea by Sartre by chance.

Turns out this is another one of those novels that are a collection of whiny memos from a nerd, jesus fucking christ.  :snoop

It seems to be much more accessible though, probably because there seems to be some semblance of a narrative in this one so far.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 29, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
It's a philosophical novel. One about a guy basically disgusted with life. I'm sure it'll be a laugh a minute kinda deal.
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Post by: EVOL on March 29, 2018, 11:25:32 AM
It's a philosophical novel. One about a guy basically disgusted with life. I'm sure it'll be a laugh a minute kinda deal.

Sure, I'm actually a sucker for this shit. Reading The Book of Disquiet just wore me out, so I wasn't really prepared for another long soliloquy immediately after reading one of them, especially something as unstructured as The Book of Disquiet.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 29, 2018, 01:05:09 PM
Reading through the wikipedia page makes it sound pretty good. Some cobbled together fragments of writing after the writer died. The Pessoan critics are still bitching about how the book should be read.
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Post by: EVOL on March 29, 2018, 02:07:22 PM
Reading through the wikipedia page makes it sound pretty good. Some cobbled together fragments of writing after the writer died. The Pessoan critics are still bitching about how the book should be read.

See, that sounded massively appealing to me - I like it when seemingly disconnected bits of writing eventually converge into a thread (or several threads). Connecting the pieces to form a picture of a character or theme is all part of the reading experience for me.

My problem with The Book of Disquiet was that by page 100 I had a pretty clear picture about who the narrator is, and by page 200 it felt like the same shit repeated in the last 100 pages, and by page 300 I was starting to check out completely. I think that's part of the point, but I just didn't have the energy to get to the end. I felt that there wasn't any enjoyment or insight to gain by reading the book anymore.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 29, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
What if the quality content was back-loaded? These philosophical novels in general seem more about exploring ideas than actually crafting a fun story.

Nausea I enjoyed though, cause it actually built up to something by the end. (It helps that parts of existentialist thought overlaps with my own way of thinking.)
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Post by: EVOL on March 30, 2018, 01:06:42 AM
What if the quality content was back-loaded? These philosophical novels in general seem more about exploring ideas than actually crafting a fun story.

Nausea I enjoyed though, cause it actually built up to something by the end. (It helps that parts of existentialist thought overlaps with my own way of thinking.)

I wasn't expecting an enjoyable romp with hope and redemption at the end, lol. I wouldn't think there would be philosophical revelations in the end of the book. Other books that are somewhat similar like Notes From the Underground or The Fall are sequenced by time, so it would only make sense that the philosophical thesis of the books would show up in the end. But The Book of Disquiet isn't necessarily a philosophical novel per se, but more like a collection of vignettes of observations and thoughts to form a portrait of a thoroughly downtrodden and bitter individual. Hell, people still don't even know how the book should be sequenced properly. I might revisit it later, but not now.

I've really been 'enjoying' Nausea though, it's very interesting. The slavish obsession to detail is pretty suffocating, in the best way possible.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2018, 04:32:03 AM
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1517261084l/34180909.jpg)

This was enjoyable enough to just read through as a history but...okay, like the subtitle and the introduction give the impression that Roosevelt and Morgan actively worked together and did something. At no point does the book actually illustrate any instance of this or what it might be. Instead it outlines the obvious fact that they both knew (and employed) some of the same people from upper class New York society. They apparently met two or three times in their life. And the way they "remade American business" was...that Roosevelt didn't prosecute U.S. Steel and so was angry when Taft did? That latter fact being contained within the last ten pages of the book!

The book doesn't actually argue this, but the case it most makes is that both Morgan and Roosevelt had an idea that big business wasn't inherently bad, that there were good big businesses and bad ones. Only, outside of U.S. Steel, which the book tells you almost literally nothing about, it doesn't care to delineate either actors conception of what a "good" business looks like or conversely what a "bad" one does. It argues that Morgan thought that businesses had a social responsibility including decent wages, but the longest conflict of the book involves a coal strike where workers earned less than subsistence wages in a subsidiary company of Morgan's. Roosevelt does literally nothing during this strike except host a meeting between the union and corporate heads that comes to no agreement. And Morgan bails out and heads to Europe for a few months. (Not necessarily to avoid the strike, he generally did not involve himself in the management of subsidiaries.)

Actually, writing this out and thinking about it, I'm taking away a star on Goodreads. Deal with it GERARD.

Anywho, if you're the person who has placed this on hold, you're not getting it until Thursday or so, I'm not done with it yet, so be patient I have moved it to the front of the stack:
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1497195007l/32191667.jpg)
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Post by: shosta on April 06, 2018, 07:48:29 PM
I read Dune and now I'm muslim.
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Post by: chronovore on April 07, 2018, 02:21:43 AM
Haven't returned to Southern Reach book 3, Acceptance, yet.

Started re-reading The Drawing of the Dark, by Tim Powers. It's even better than I remembered.

May start the sequel to John Dies at the End, which is This Book is Full of Spiders. David Wong is pretty great.

I read Dune and now I'm muslim.
…and drinking your own recycled pee and spit, I hope.

You live in Vegas. Dune is the future you'll actually be living.
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Post by: shosta on April 07, 2018, 03:04:45 AM
everyone drinks their spit!
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Post by: Crash Dummy on April 08, 2018, 04:15:52 PM
had enough of that management shit, re-reading dubliners by joyce as a palate cleanser and just started reading a pdf copy of Philosophical Instructions:An Introduction to Contemporary Islamic Philosophy by Ayatullah Miṣbāḥ Yazdī 
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Post by: shosta on April 08, 2018, 04:54:54 PM
had enough of that management shit, re-reading dubliners by joyce as a palate cleanser and just started reading a pdf copy of Philosophical Instructions:An Introduction to Contemporary Islamic Philosophy by Ayatullah Miṣbāḥ Yazdī
“I lingered before her stall, though I knew my stay was useless, to make my interest in her wares seem the more real. Then I turned away slowly and walked down the middle of the bazaar. I allowed the two pennies to fall against the sixpence in my pocket. I heard a voice call from one end of the gallery that the light was out. The upper part of the hall was now completely dark.

Gazing up into the darkness I saw myself as a creature driven and derided by vanity; and my eyes burned with anguish and anger.”

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Post by: Crash Dummy on April 09, 2018, 01:03:40 PM
^i'm at half mast just by seeing the title "araby" tbh.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 16, 2018, 12:59:05 AM
(http://dynamic.indigoimages.ca/books/0553813110.jpg?altimages=true&scaleup=true&maxheight=515&width=380&quality=85&sale=7&lang=en)
God Damn you Arvie!!!
What have you done to me?! >:(
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 16, 2018, 09:50:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UaYGby7.jpg)

Good book.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 16, 2018, 12:23:26 PM
(http://dynamic.indigoimages.ca/books/0553813110.jpg?altimages=true&scaleup=true&maxheight=515&width=380&quality=85&sale=7&lang=en)
God Damn you Arvie!!!
What have you done to me?! >:(

Congrats.  This might be one of the best decisions of your life. 

How did you end up liking Gardens? 
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Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2018, 11:57:02 PM
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1497195007l/32191667.jpg)
huh, worlds colliding, reason did a short interview with the author of this

the book is definitely not "libertarian" (and the author even less so based on what I found of his writing elsewhere, though good on him for being able to write without tipping his hand constantly in both this and his earlier gun rights book) and he frames it more as "look at how clever they were" against often hostile courts, although in the final chapter when he jumps ahead to Citizens United he does start editorializing quite a bit and the final chapter is basically a proxy-screed to repeal the First Amendment

the central thesis I got from the book is that demonizing corporate efforts at the Supreme Court, and in courts in general, is misguided, as due to their resources they often set precedents that later groups like the NAACP and womens rights and privacy advocates and so on were able to leverage to obtain later Supreme Court victories...he notes that railroad corporations attempting to avoid arguably unfair property taxes California was establishing were the first to conceive of, finance and push large numbers of "test cases" as a thing, which the NAACP later copied directly (and openly so) to great success to help start protecting civil rights...they also mastered the "circuit split" method of getting cases to the Supreme Court

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glIaWzWFKhM

the part that most warmed my heart was that he accurately rested the founding of America (and Canada, Aussieland, etc.) in common corporate law history, the colonies were all corporations first! although he didn't take the extra step to point out how all states are are "magically" glorified corporations but nobody's perfect! (he starts to get close to noting that the Constitution mirrors corporate charters, especially of the era, but quickly ducks away knowing he's treading dangerous ground)

video is basically like a 20 minute interview summary of the book
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 18, 2018, 12:01:31 AM
(http://dynamic.indigoimages.ca/books/0553813110.jpg?altimages=true&scaleup=true&maxheight=515&width=380&quality=85&sale=7&lang=en)
God Damn you Arvie!!!
What have you done to me?! >:(

Congrats.  This might be one of the best decisions of your life. 

How did you end up liking Gardens?
It's sorta like an orgy where you're blidnfolded. My wife would ask me what was going on and I'd reply "I'm not sure, but I'm really enjoying it"
I was really hoping for more destruction from Raest that was some cool stuff and I was rooting for him.
Yeah, it had some laughable character motivations/actions, but I've learned to overlook it.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 18, 2018, 10:51:33 AM
I finished The Vorrh, what a strange book. There were a lot of times when I felt like "Am I supposed to understand what's going on here, or am I just supposed to wait until it's better explained later?" And then sometimes it would be and sometimes it wouldn't. The narrative is very dream-like and meandering. There are chapters focused on about a dozen major characters, some of them never seem to converge with the other characters or the main plot, or only do so in a way that doesn't entirely make sense.

Basically the jist of it is, you've got this colonial city Essenwald on the border of a vast forest called The Vorrh somewhere in central Africa around the 20/30's (the book avoids giving exact dates or locations, but it's post-WWI), and it's booming because of lumber trade. The Vorrh is possibly the Garden of Eden, and it's guarded by some supernatural forces that no one understands but everyone respects. No one can spend more than a few days in the Vorrh without completely losing their mind; most of the logging workforce are mindless drones who have spent too long in the Vorrh and can only be compelled to work...by giving them a dead baby. This is one of the "Am I supposed to understand this or no?" moments I mentioned. But yeah, the foreman discovers that if he gives a miscarried baby to the workers every weeks, they perform some kind of ceremony over it and then go to work. No one asks questions as long as the work gets down and the money keeps flowing in.

Then there's the Bowman. He was a British officer during WWI, who was disgusted by the horrors of war and decides to leave Europe all together for colonial Africa, where he's put in charge of keeping the locals tribes in line. Eventually he goes native and marries a shaman girl named Irrenipeste, who is described as being a young girl but also possibly ancient and immortal (1000 year old loli dragon amirite, lulzzzz) and with her guidance become a sort of mythical Christ-like figure to the local tribes. Then Irrenipeste dies, but she instructs him on how to build a bow out of her bones and sinew. So that happens. He fires arrows randomly into the Vorrh and then follows them, trusting his bow-wife to lead him to something, but he can't remember what.

There's the Cyclops, Ishmael, that lives in a basement with four bakelite robots. The robots are sentient and teach him about the world through lessons that are delivered each week in a wooden crate. He also has sex with them. The boxes are delivered by a guy named Mutter, who has no idea why he's delivering the boxes, only that his father did it and his grandfather did it and the pay is decent. A rich, snoopy girl Ghertrude decides to go poking around in the basement and kills one of the robots and scares away the others, then decides to semi-adopt Ishmael because she sees him as this poor, pitiful creature. Then he has sex with her. At one point Ghertrude and Ishmael go on a fuckfest through the city during Essenwald's version of Carnaval, and Ishmael has sex with a blind woman and she is able to see after that. Do you think this is ever explained? Fuck you, of course it's not.

And obviously there's a lot of weird Vorrh monsters and assassins and also Raymond Roussel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Roussel) and Eadweard Muybridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eadweard_Muybridge) are there because why wouldn't they be?

I enjoyed it a lot though, I'm ready to jump right into the sequel The Erstwhile.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 18, 2018, 12:19:50 PM
Good job making the book sound like tryhard garbage. Not even sure if I'm still going to read it.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2018, 04:17:58 PM
Good job making the book sound like tryhard garbage. Not even sure if I'm still going to read it.

Maybe, but not in an edgelord way. It's all very whimsical and British. He's admittedly inspired by Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman, and it shows.

Anyway, I started reading The Erstwhile today. It's no less weird, but it's definitely a tighter book. The plot is more focused and less cryptic and the prose feels easier to read. In the first two chapters, it's already clarified a few things that were left ambiguous in the first book. We even get an actual year this time for when the events take place (1924).

Of interest to The Bore, an early minor plot point involves a literal butt plug.
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A guy is given a rotten brain by his familiar to eat as a curative, and he's told that for it to work, he needs to hold in "the magic" as long as he can (although it turns out his familiar was just BSing him about that part).
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Post by: Bebpo on April 26, 2018, 05:37:46 AM
Finished up The Dark Tower 5 - Wolves of the Calla - hehehe, I am starting to see what people are talking about in the last few books. That being said it was a fun western and a solid counter-part to Book 4's fun western. The contrasting gunslingers of the past adventure in book 4 to spiritual successor gunslinger ka-tet of the present adventure in book 5 works fairly well. Wolves was a little drawn out, especially in how it felt like 400 pages of the 900+ page novel were spent entirely on detailing Priest Callahan's journey from the end of Salem's Lot to DT. I'm really glad I read Salem's Lot recently, since I liked Callahan's character in Lot I didn't mind all that, but if I hadn't it'd probably have dragged the pacing.

If there's one negative I have with Wolves its that King is constantly teasing mysterious shit and holding it back to entice readers. There's multiple times where a main character discovers something and King hides what they've discovered from the reader to save for a reveal much later. It's kind of annoying. I also thought there were way too many red herrings in this book. I was pretty tense going into the final battle with the Wolves because

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The entire book has constant red herring foreshadowing that SHIT IS GONNA GO BAD when the battle happens. I thought it was gonna be a nasty dark ending like the gunslingers kill the Wolves but all the kids die in the process and the gunslingers are driven from the town or main characters dying or something really bad.

But like 2 townspeople die and they take out 60+ wolves and save the town, so all that tenseness reading that battle was for nothing and it was a surprisingly happy end where basically everything went to plan.
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Also the silly fan-fiction stuff is fun

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Doombots with lightsabers throwing harry potter balls!

Telekinetics stealing children to feast on their TWIN ESP POWERS

hehehehe, silly but enjoyable
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Will start Book 6 in a few weeks, reading Clive Barker's YA novel The Thief of Always for my monthly book club next.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2018, 08:41:33 PM
now:
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and what i recently finished was:
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which had a happy ending, the billionaire head of SAC simply renamed his tarnished company, reacquired his massive corporate partners and continued paying hundreds of millions for garbage art, after a small fine to the SEC of which half was credit of course, while all sorts of underlings with lesser wealth went to jail and were banned for life from the industry :american

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 30, 2018, 11:20:07 AM
https://studybreaks.com/culture/reads/kanye-west-reanimator/
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Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2018, 03:12:22 AM
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Explores the mid-19th century wave of founding of what we'd now call "communes" especially in the western expansion of America providing cheap land, opportunity, and fresh starts combining with religious-political millienialist and/or collectivist concepts or fads. While touching on a pretty decent number as there were a shit load of these in the decades between Jackson and the Civil War, it is focused around these structurally:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaker_communities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Harmony,_Indiana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brook_Farm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fourier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_Community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_stirpiculture

Also, even for a casual or "amateur" history work (rather than academic) it's well-written in a relaxed style that has no problem with jokes let alone making fun of the more strange aspects of the subjects. My favorite example is his noting that in Charles Fourier's extensively described utopian phalanx there are 64 people "assigned" to grow pears, for some reason, eight of these people are "assigned" to grow crappy pears nobody wants to eat. We'll never escape the tentacles of the Big Shitty Pears lobby!
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Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2018, 04:41:34 AM
oh, forgot to comment on If This Be Treason, which was really quite good, except on reflection it doesn't actually tackle the subtitle's suggestion of whether the events (one per chapter) are a debate about whether they're treason or not, falling back on the legal fact that treason is a specifically defined crime at the Constitutional level in the United States, so only really explores real notions of it in the post-Revolution times, and starts to more or less just describe historical events that are actually more about times when people were charged with sedition during war or something like that.

the subjects it covers are: George Logan of Logan Act fame (like treason, a not really used law in the US); the Alien and Sedition Acts period when the Adams Administration and Federalists used it against newspaper publishers; the Hartford Convention; Nicholas Trist taking advantage of slow communication times to avoid being recalled and give Mexico a more lenient treaty after the Mexican War; William Walker's career as a Latin American Filibuster/Mercenary; Clement Vallandigham not knowing when to stop trolling people who are ignoring Constitutional protections, primarily Burnside; the House's refusal to seat Socialist Victor Berger and his experience with Sedition and Espionage Act of the Wilson Administration; John Reed (of Ten Days That Shook The World fame) having similar experience with those acts, but mostly his time working for the Soviet Union's early days; The Chicago Tribune's exposure of U.S. European War Plans the week before Pearl Harbor; Prosecution of Communists under the Smith Act; Nixon's backchannel diplomacy during the 1968 election; Iran-Contra.

It actually starts to fall apart thematically, as I think you can probably see from the subjects of each chapter, as it becomes less "debatable" instances and obvious instances of the government attacking left-wing minorities, and even the debate to be had about the Tribune, Nixon and Iran-Contra is totally muted by in the first-two cases noting strong suspicion among historians that FDR was the Tribune's source, that Nixon's move was irrelevant especially since LBJ already knew and Humphrey refused to publicize it anyway, and in the latter case it doesn't even create a question about whether "treason" was occurring since it was the executive making foreign policy it supported and not with enemies (at the time) anyway.

There's also arguably much better instances to use, such as say, David Addington's career. Especially in the wake of 9/11. It not once considers say, the Confederates actually doing what the Hartford Convention rejected and starting a war in the process. It doesn't touch on people like Aaron Burr or Tokyo Rose who probably far more "came close to the line" or any spies or people like the Rosenbergs than someone like Victor Berger who was never more than a politician let alone any of the newspaper examples. Edward Snowden is mentioned in the introduction and conclusion but his actual case is never considered, and he's had modern day members of Congress and executive branch officials call him a traitor and talk about how he should be hanged. None of the American al Qaeda/Taliban/etc. are considered. John Kerry's entire life is ignored.

Even the case of John Reed isn't an instance of him coming close to treason or disloyalty, it's arguably not even "worse" than Americans who went to fight in WWI as individuals, and he was barely even hounded by the U.S. government. (Arguably, his buddies and idols, the Soviets treated him worse. The U.S. mostly dicked with his paperwork.) The Finns beat the shit out of him in prison and gave him scurvy, and he died in a Soviet hospital because the doctors identified his blatant symptoms of typhus as a mild case of the flu, despite the city being in the middle of a typhus outbreak.

William Walker waging private wars all over Latin America wasn't even aiding American enemies, in many cases as outlined in the chapter itself he was unofficially carrying out what would later be a common function of U.S. foreign policy and with the strong support of U.S. popular opinion, government officials, Congress, etc. It's more that he crossed the British, oh, and failed a lot. That's what eventually led the U.S. to try and put the kibosh on his adventures. (They failed even more than Walker did. Hondurans captured him, used three firing squads on him and then shot him in the head just to be sure.)

Still an interesting set of historical vignettes, especially if one is unfamiliar with them. As I was not I'm probably being extra harsh, especially considering some of the better examples I thought of above. Most of the selections just don't really fit really what the book seems like it's going to be about. Especially the title.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 12, 2018, 12:34:43 PM
Plato's Republic.

My favourite part so far was when he said to "dispose" of "defective" kids. Whole part basically read like: "You know? Eugenics' pretty cool."

"Perform well and you too could participate in our ancient FuckFests!"
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Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2018, 10:50:49 PM
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Despite LeBron on the cover, this book is actually about players from the 1960s who actually began the fight for players bargaining rights culminating in Oscar Robertson's case, although it's mostly about the players and not really that fight or even that specific case.  The best stuff is probably about how they negotiated and made contracts and trades back in the day, and though Smith often seems kinda oblivious to it, the impact the ABA had as providing leverage to the players.

As part of the Wilt trade, half of Archie Clark's salary was being paid off the books by Jack Kent Cooke, except Jack Ramsey didn't know this. After the season he made a contract offer to raise Clark's salary and Clark rejected it telling him it would have been a 40% paycut. :lol

It's probably good enough just for all the old timer stories though, especially as the anecdotes and such come from a variety of players such as superstars like West to reserves like Mel Counts, etc. and are often general rather than asking them about the stars on their team. Even if Smith's broader argument/etc. isn't all that well handled.

Cousy was often told by coaches not to do all his fancy passing and such. When he joined the Celtics and talked to Red, Red told him "you can pass it through your ass if you want, just make sure somebody catches it." A coach after TVC's heart.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 17, 2018, 12:58:30 PM
My favourite part about reading Plato's Republic is reading reviews and seeing people acting offended by some of the stuff in it. Acting as if the damn thing was written yesterday.

"Golly gee willickers, this 2400 year old book isn't up to date with our current moral understandings."

Really?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 17, 2018, 01:00:51 PM
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Despite LeBron on the cover, this book is actually about players from the 1960s who actually began the fight for players bargaining rights culminating in Oscar Robertson's case, although it's mostly about the players and not really that fight or even that specific case.  The best stuff is probably about how they negotiated and made contracts and trades back in the day, and though Smith often seems kinda oblivious to it, the impact the ABA had as providing leverage to the players.

As part of the Wilt trade, half of Archie Clark's salary was being paid off the books by Jack Kent Cooke, except Jack Ramsey didn't know this. After the season he made a contract offer to raise Clark's salary and Clark rejected it telling him it would have been a 40% paycut. :lol

It's probably good enough just for all the old timer stories though, especially as the anecdotes and such come from a variety of players such as superstars like West to reserves like Mel Counts, etc. and are often general rather than asking them about the stars on their team. Even if Smith's broader argument/etc. isn't all that well handled.

Cousy was often told by coaches not to do all his fancy passing and such. When he joined the Celtics and talked to Red, Red told him "you can pass it through your ass if you want, just make sure somebody catches it." A coach after TVC's heart.

Why is there a giant squid on the cover.................
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2018, 03:14:36 PM
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1507151169l/34227719.jpg)

(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1502950473l/32713680.jpg)
Despite LeBron on the cover, this book is actually about players from the 1960s who actually began the fight for players bargaining rights culminating in Oscar Robertson's case, although it's mostly about the players and not really that fight or even that specific case.  The best stuff is probably about how they negotiated and made contracts and trades back in the day, and though Smith often seems kinda oblivious to it, the impact the ABA had as providing leverage to the players.

As part of the Wilt trade, half of Archie Clark's salary was being paid off the books by Jack Kent Cooke, except Jack Ramsey didn't know this. After the season he made a contract offer to raise Clark's salary and Clark rejected it telling him it would have been a 40% paycut. :lol

It's probably good enough just for all the old timer stories though, especially as the anecdotes and such come from a variety of players such as superstars like West to reserves like Mel Counts, etc. and are often general rather than asking them about the stars on their team. Even if Smith's broader argument/etc. isn't all that well handled.

Cousy was often told by coaches not to do all his fancy passing and such. When he joined the Celtics and talked to Red, Red told him "you can pass it through your ass if you want, just make sure somebody catches it." A coach after TVC's heart.

Why is there a giant squid on the cover.................

Q: Did Shaq every play against a giant squid?
A: No.

Wow, it really is answering all my questions about Basketball!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 17, 2018, 03:54:34 PM
I just noticed the bear too on that cover.
I mean I'm pretty sure there aren't teams called The Squids or The Bears in basketball so....

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2018, 03:13:37 AM
i have no idea, all the drawings are crazy like that and probably the best part of the book, the text is all written like it's a less cac Bill Simmons whose references all start a decade or two later (which is appropriate as it's by a 36 year old hispanic guy who writes for The Ringer and wrote for Grantland)
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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2018, 03:15:33 AM
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1499862781l/34397551.jpg)

ironically the title of this was "coined" by James Comey back in the early 2000s to refer to people inside the Justice Department who would play it safe to their careers no matter what and then never take responsibility for the consequences :lol
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 19, 2018, 02:51:11 PM
The Second Sex.

Wow, this book is not about premature ejaculation at all.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 20, 2018, 10:58:42 PM
My favourite part about reading Plato's Republic is reading reviews and seeing people acting offended by some of the stuff in it. Acting as if the damn thing was written yesterday.

"Golly gee willickers, this 2400 year old book isn't up to date with our current moral understandings."

Really?
howd this go by the way? And how’s de Beauvoir doing for you?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Snoopycat_ on May 21, 2018, 05:22:25 AM
Finished reading the Stephen King and Peter Straub collaboration Black House. I've always liked it but the confrontation with Mr.Munshun is a letdown. All the focus went on Burnside who was ok but Munshun was more interesting and should have had a bigger role.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 23, 2018, 05:04:47 AM
howd this go by the way? And how’s de Beauvoir doing for you?

It was pretty interesting.

If you look at a lot of what he wrote for his perfect state, it'd stil be applicable to this day.

You'd have to divorce yourself from basic modern morality real hard though. Like the thing about killing "defective" offspring. If you'd take it as only for the good of the state. It's a pretty solid idea. Look at it with any humanity in you, and it's abhorrent.

I don't agree about his plans for the arts either. The neutered versions he proposes would probably stifle character growth and not actually produce the best you you could be.

It basically read as a totalitarian state. The inhibition of most freedoms would probably lead to more negative outcomes than he assumes. But that's of course looking back from a position 2000 years in the future.


I'm only 100 pages into the second sex, so it's mostly been a historical look so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 25, 2018, 04:28:27 AM
Finished The Dark Tower VI: The Song of Susanah - was entertaining but definitely the least standalone novel and more just a short setup for the finale. Definitely like some of the prose Oh Discordia! and I’ve really grown to enjoy the characters and their interactions. The

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Is wacky but doesn’t bother me much. I’ve been alternating books between DT books and non-DT books so next up is John Langan’s The Fisherman, and then it’ll be time to finish this wild ride of The Dark Tower that I started last year. And then I can watch the shitty movie!

Even though people say DT falls off hard and turns to shit in the back half, up until the final novel I don’t really have any problems with it. Yeah they’re not as good as the high points, but I don’t think they’re that much lower either. It’s still an entertaining read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 02:52:57 PM
organized part of the neverending list into a little makeshift faux trilology: Previously... -> Currently... -> Upcoming...

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should find an (ideally conspiracy-focused) book about the JFK assassination to make this into a makeshift JFK trilology :doge

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Post by: EVOL on May 31, 2018, 02:31:55 AM
Just finished The White Book by Han Kang, won't lie, I cried like a bitch after finishing it. I'm not sure how good the English translation is, but I highly recommend it. I really liked how sparse the prose was without being dry, a lot of the chapters would work perfectly as independent works of poetry .

Started on Tao Te Ching. I adore Zhuangzi, both as a work of philosophy and literature so I'm kind of excited to dig through this one.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 31, 2018, 10:43:12 AM
Started on Tao Te Ching. I adore Zhuangzi, both as a work of philosophy and literature so I'm kind of excited to dig through this one.

Had a hard time getting anything out of Tao Te Ching. It seems to be so steeped in eastern mysticism I had no clue what anything in it alludes to.

I guess not understanding anything about it, means I'm on the path to enlightenment.


Also, now that the wank dad thread is dead, can anyone tell me how shit the book "The Rational Male" is? The one alt-right friend is reading it. Seems it's from something called the Manosphere and MGTOW. What Magic the Gathering has to do with the book, no clue.

Edit: Reading Veronika Decides to Die by Paolo Coelho right now. If it's as much up it's own ass as The Alchemist, I'll most likely hate it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: studyguy on May 31, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
I just finished Best Served Cold by Joe Ambercrombie, working through some non-fiction, New Jim Crow and some memoirs now then back to fantasy/sci fi fuckery.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 31, 2018, 05:17:05 PM
Finished The Fisherman by John Langan. This was great. One of the best Eldritch Horror tales I've read in a long time. It was a well written and touched upon all the weird stuff I love. I think a lot of people here would dig this. Starts a little slow, but once it gets to the narrative within the narrative it gets good and then can't put it down.
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Post by: VomKriege on June 04, 2018, 05:51:38 PM
Reading some short stories from modern Chinese author Ba Jin. It's pretty good. Heart of a slave is an especially good one. They're mostly focused on pre-communist China and characters being crushed by society and / or communist activists (though it's often more suggested than at the center of the story).

Also read the Sun Tzu's Art of War. To be honest, the supplementals were perhaps more interesting than the text itself (a recap of the historiography and debates surrounding how old the text is, a short analysis on its influences on Mao Zedong, another about its influence in Japan and their tradition in such treatises.) but it's worth a read to get a sense of insight of how much strategy was well understood already then (notably on the articulation of politics and war leadership, the importance of espionage, etc...).
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Post by: chronovore on June 05, 2018, 12:42:09 AM
Finished The Fisherman by John Langan. This was great. One of the best Eldritch Horror tales I've read in a long time. It was a well written and touched upon all the weird stuff I love. I think a lot of people here would dig this. Starts a little slow, but once it gets to the narrative within the narrative it gets good and then can't put it down.

If you like unsettling, eldritch stuff in the mostly-modern era and frequently set in the PNW, check out Laird Barron. So far I've loved everything by him.
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Post by: TVC15 on June 05, 2018, 01:27:03 AM
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(Collected Works of Renzo Novatore)

This had been sitting under my bed for about a year and I’ve been picking through it slowly. I probably should have gotten to this sooner. He’s a much more stylistic writer than most other anarchists I’ve read. He’s actually enjoyable to read. As a matter of fact, I’m not so certain I’ve really learned anything new per se, but I think Novatore’s perspective is generally more enjoyable than wherever I picked up the original concepts.
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Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2018, 06:52:27 PM
Finished the small Ba Jin collection. The post text mentions he was persecuted by the Gang of Four, a rather euphemistic way of saying the Cultural Revolution wasn't kind to him (many little things suggest the french translated copy I own is sanctioned by China and outsourced to a friendly / aligned small publisher).

Ba Jin was a longstanding anarchist (exchanged letters with Vanzetti, among other things) and advocate for Esperanto, but repudiated very publicly his former opinions once he settled in Communist China. While not a member of the Party, he was used as the spear point of a couple of campaigns directed at other authors for being enemies of the regime.

I'm interested in finding a couple of his novels. His stories are very touching and focused on human frailties and sentiments. The political aspect if ever present in the background but faintly enough it doesn't drag down his writing with morgue.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2018, 11:07:40 AM
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I generally only read King's short-form works, but this is aight so far. I think I would like it better if it was an actual mystery and not "it happened because of some supernatural shit" but we'll see, I'm only a 1/3rd of the way into it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on June 27, 2018, 07:25:47 AM
nyrb classics has a one day sale on - any recs? https://www.nyrb.com/collections/classics
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2018, 08:04:22 AM
admittedly the selection plus the prices are a bit off putting to build up a fivesome to get that discounts (a casual glance at amazon could net you a same set of the random five i picked for anywhere to 25% to 80% off the non-discount price) though i know nothing of the quality of their books in all the other ways...categorization on some books is a bit weird too, a number could have been in more categories and thus more easily "discovered"

but reading some of the sites descriptions alone is worth the price of clicking the link:
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Stepping out of the darkness, the American emerges upon the stage of history as a new character, as puzzling to himself as to others. American Humor, Constance Rourke’s pioneering “study of the national character,” singles out the archetypal figures of the Yankee peddler, the backwoodsman, and the blackface minstrel to illuminate the fundamental role of popular culture in fashioning a distinctive American sensibility. A memorable performance in its own right, American Humor crackles with the jibes and jokes of generations while presenting a striking picture of a vagabond nation in perpetual self-pursuit. Davy Crockett and Henry James, Jim Crow and Emily Dickinson rub shoulders in a work that inspired such later critics as Pauline Kael and Lester Bangs and which still has much to say about the America of Bob Dylan and Thomas Pynchon, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
CRACKLES WITH THE JIBES AND JOKES OF GENERATIONS

A classic book for TVC and kris to read together in Vegas:
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introduction by Christopher Hitchens

A Handbook on Hanging is a Swiftian tribute to that unappreciated mainstay of civilization: the hangman. With barbed insouciance, Charles Duff writes not only of hanging but of electrocution, decapitations, and gassings; of innocent men executed and of executions botched; of the bloodlust of mobs and the shabby excuses of the great. This coruscating and, in contemporary America, very relevant polemic makes clear that whatever else capital punishment may be said to be—justice, vengeance, a deterrent—it is certainly killing.
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Post by: shosta on June 27, 2018, 10:07:54 AM
 :aah
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 27, 2018, 07:17:02 PM
nyrb classics has a one day sale on - any recs? https://www.nyrb.com/collections/classics


buy the ones with naked ladies on the cover

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Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2018, 09:33:27 PM
Halloween Returns (2015) [Screenplay]

Michael gets put on death row, but shenanigans happen on the night of his execution (Halloween, of course.)

Halfway through now. Emotions for the first half: :leon :wtf :lol :thinking :phil
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Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 05:36:13 AM
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did you know that Ronald Reagan was an anti-communist New Dealer in the mold of FDR and Truman? that he strongly supported welfare, free education through college and civil rights? that Reagan barely agreed with Goldwater, but thought LBJ was a disaster?

and that when he said "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me" it was 100% true, as the Democrats tossed out those in the image of FDR and Truman to follow Henry Wallace's 1948 Progressive platform which desired to establish central planning and proto-communism and eliminate free speech and weaken the United States against the Soviet Empire?

it's all true! (And Trump is closer to Reagan's true conservatism, because he cares about the working class and rejects harsh ideology, than most elected Republicans who are extremist libertarians like Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and Rob Portman!)

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Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 06:07:26 AM
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wait, nobody told me we'd have to read a book
motherfucker we know what pundits you read, don't lie about having standards now
ohhh, this is the type of thing you were talking about...
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 14, 2018, 01:49:39 PM
Here's a book and drinking challenge for people. Read Trainspotting and take a shot every time the word fuck pops up in any capacity.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: BisMarckie on July 14, 2018, 02:02:27 PM
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Very easy to read and presented in an accessible way. Easy to follow and if you are an idiot like me that doesn't know all that much about the'Glorious Revolution', I'd recommend it.
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Post by: kingv on July 14, 2018, 02:08:03 PM
Been listening to The Fifth Season by some chick in New York... nemispn or something like that?

Basically it’s a fantasy stories where peopl live on some Pangaea like continent with a bunch of earthquakes and has three interweaving stories of people who can do magic.

Sort of interesting in that it is a good bit different than a lot of fantasy tropes as it’s writteb by a black writer and thus most of the characters are not white. It also has a part where this chick goes hard in the paint for a yeast infection by banging a dude that just blasted a mans Asshole.

Weird ass sex in books is cringe to me and it’s my sole complaint, but otherwise I’m enjoying it (and there is only really one that I thought was bad but it gave me flashbacks to reading the shining).

Apparently it is the first of a trilogy.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 14, 2018, 02:12:12 PM
Ya, its a trilogy. 
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Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 01:18:54 AM
due to her birthday, been celebrating america :american

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Post by: shosta on July 17, 2018, 01:35:09 AM
What about the new Jeanine Pirro book?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 02:45:15 AM
I actually don't read that Fox News garbage in book form because it's the same book over and over usually. Same for the progressive/Democrat side too. I did read them for a while and realized that they were temporarily very set in stone about the hot topics of the moment. Especially any by politicians except like Ron Paul since he'd write about the Fed or Foreign Policy over so many years or such. (Along with his campaign books.) But compare to one of his son's books, Government Bullies, it's like all 2012 election issues and solutions treated as if they're timeless. And his book is only tonally different from Ted Cruz's or Marco Rubio's or whatever. I especially assume that about his 2015 book which is an obvious presidential campaign book. Never touched the thing.

Sometimes if they look different, like Tucker Carlson's upcoming one seems to be a bit less "in the moment" but I'd have to look at it. Jonah Goldberg is usually decent at this, even if he'll use all current examples to the point that he changes the subtitle of his books multiple times. Ann Coulter's books were once written around themes, but after she tricked me into looking at just a collection of her columns for the second time, I haven't given her a third chance.

Hannity's books I read because I was skeptical of his literacy, and Deliver Us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism and Let Freedom Ring: Winning the War of Liberty over Liberalism were like literally the same book with the chapters reorganized, and a some more terrorism stuff in the 2004 book.

Really, Rush Limbaugh's two books from the 1990s are the only conservative pundit books I'd ever think to say "these are canon" because they have a sense of humor and he outlines basically all the positions they've held ever since. Everyone else's books are just treading that ground without any humor.

From looking up these, I saw these in the "customers who also bought" and they are amazing:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Tr8NsxHDL.jpg)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5167uCUd7VL.jpg)

and this cover pose lol
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51pUuCTlYYL._SX327_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 02:46:06 AM
Oh, just saw this, this would be something more like I might actually read from one of these garbage types, even if the description is screaming "SKIP THE INTRO AND CONCLUSION CHAPTERS":
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In these pages, you’ll learn the true stories of founders such as...

• Aaron Burr who is depicted in the popular musical Hamilton and in history books as a villain, but in reality was a far more complicated figure who fought the abuse of executive power.

• Mercy Otis Warren, one of the most prominent female writers in the Revolution and a protégé of John Adams, who engaged in vigorous debates against the encroachment of federal power and ultimately broke with Adams over her fears of the Constitution.

• Canasatego, an Iroquois chief whose words taught Benjamin Franklin the basic principles behind the separation of powers.

The popular movement that swept Republicans into power in 2010 and 2016 was led by Americans who rediscovered the majesty of the Constitution and knew the stories of Hamilton, Madison, and Washington.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2018, 06:44:00 PM
Constitution? Sounds like some Big Government bullshit. Where were the true heroes that fought for the Articles of Confederation?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: TVC15 on July 17, 2018, 10:38:07 PM
Read Clive Barker’s “In the Hills, The Cities” for like the tenth time on the way home and I’m pretty sure it’s my favorite horror/weird short story. In my book, it’s perfect.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on July 17, 2018, 10:55:50 PM
Read Clive Barker’s “In the Hills, The Cities” for like the tenth time on the way home and I’m pretty sure it’s my favorite horror/weird short story. In my book, it’s perfect.

Starting this now.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2018, 10:59:51 PM
Read Clive Barker’s “In the Hills, The Cities” for like the tenth time on the way home and I’m pretty sure it’s my favorite horror/weird short story. In my book, it’s perfect.

That story is great, easily the best of his short stories from The Books of Blood.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on July 17, 2018, 11:03:56 PM
It opens with a gay romance? :thinking

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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2018, 01:34:07 AM
This story's pretty wild. :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 18, 2018, 02:48:45 AM
The Books of Blood are wonderful. They're like little gems. Rubies, specifically, I'd assume.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2018, 11:18:34 PM
this book on the Bill of Rights cites a professor from a Russian university :usacry :brazilcry
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: agrajag on July 19, 2018, 11:20:07 PM
I can tell you what I'm not reading: Jordan Petersons dumb books, and neither is Assy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 27, 2018, 04:54:20 AM
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1450648246l/25430297.jpg)

Explores the mid-19th century wave of founding of what we'd now call "communes" especially in the western expansion of America providing cheap land, opportunity, and fresh starts combining with religious-political millienialist and/or collectivist concepts or fads. While touching on a pretty decent number as there were a shit load of these in the decades between Jackson and the Civil War, it is focused around these structurally:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaker_communities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Harmony,_Indiana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brook_Farm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fourier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_Community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_stirpiculture

Also, even for a casual or "amateur" history work (rather than academic) it's well-written in a relaxed style that has no problem with jokes let alone making fun of the more strange aspects of the subjects. My favorite example is his noting that in Charles Fourier's extensively described utopian phalanx there are 64 people "assigned" to grow pears, for some reason, eight of these people are "assigned" to grow crappy pears nobody wants to eat. We'll never escape the tentacles of the Big Shitty Pears lobby!
huh, at first i thought this was about this book, now i'm a little surprised there's two books about this topic released within ~6 months of each other and both setup the same looking at four/five utopian movements, although this one seems to be more about writers visions than setting up actual "communes" by people, the original idea writers or not: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/30/what-can-we-learn-from-utopians-of-the-past
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61RfLwByRvL.jpg)

also:
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Nineteenth-century utopians offered a radiantly progressive vision, if you put aside the eugenics, anti-Semitism, and racism.
well, yeah if you put aside that kind of stuff probably lots of people were
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: archnemesis on August 02, 2018, 02:09:38 PM
Land of Ghosts by E.V. Seymour is a spy novel inspired by Bond and Bourne. Something about the writing felt off, but I could never put my finger on exactly what it was. Neither the protagonist or his mission resonated with me. The only thing I liked about it was the depiction of Chechnya.

Paganinikontraktet (The Nightmare in English) was the only crime fiction novel by the pseudonym Lars Kepler that I hadn't read before. Once again the cops managed to solve mysterious murders in my hometown.

I also read two short books by Swedish physicist Bodil Jönsson pondering about time and work. They gave me some well needed perspective.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 02, 2018, 02:48:31 PM
Reading The Rebel by Albert Camus

Finished Mrs. Dalloway before this. That book was such a slog.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: EVOL on August 15, 2018, 02:13:36 AM
Reading Pale Fire by Nabokov.

I was already spoiled on the twist of the book, but it's so telegraphed that I think I would have been able to figure it out pretty early on anyway.

Reading The Rebel by Albert Camus

Finished Mrs. Dalloway before this. That book was such a slog.

I read that when I was in the peak of my Camus fanboy days back in high school but forgot most of it. Tell me how you found it when you're finished, I might revisit it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 15, 2018, 07:16:07 AM
I liked it, but not nearly as much as The Myth of Sisyphus.

It looks at different historic rebellions/revolutions and then applies the absurdist way of thought from The Myth of Sisyphus to them.  He argues that the rebels in the historic rebellions aren't true rebels, because once they've defeated their "evil" they become complacent in their own "good". One evil makes place for the other evil.


How'd the Tao Te Ching  treat you? I still have no clue what to make of it. (Which means I'm on the path to true understanding, apparently.)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: EVOL on August 15, 2018, 09:14:40 AM
I liked it, but not nearly as much as The Myth of Sisyphus.

It looks at different historic rebellions/revolutions and then applies the absurdist way of thought from The Myth of Sisyphus to them.  He argues that the rebels in the historic rebellions aren't true rebels, because once they've defeated their "evil" they become complacent in their own "good". One evil makes place for the other evil.


How'd the Tao Te Ching  treat you? I still have no clue what to make of it. (Which means I'm on the path to true understanding, apparently.)

It was okay, it didn't really tell me anything I didn't know tbh. I liked Zhuangzi better.

I think it's not so much the content of Tao Te Ching that it's difficult, but rather it requiring a cultural background of Chinese fables to get. I was raised with that shit so the metaphors and riddle like structures were pretty easy to 'decipher'. I guess a Western equivalent would be some book relying heavily on Biblical references and structure in order to make it's point.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 15, 2018, 10:28:37 AM
Now reading Karl Ove Knausgard's first My Struggle book.

So far it's boring as hell. You'd expect something called Mein Kampf to have some edge to it.


I think I got both The analects and Zhuangzi somewhere. Reading those (more in general) will probably help me understanding other eastern philosophy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on August 15, 2018, 10:46:41 AM
Re-reading Gibson's THE PERIPHERAL, which is stunningly even better than the first read. It's as insightful as Neuromancer, and if you disagree with me, you're wrong.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: EVOL on August 16, 2018, 11:32:28 AM
Now reading Karl Ove Knausgard's first My Struggle book.

So far it's boring as hell. You'd expect something called Mein Kampf to have some edge to it.


I think I got both The analects and Zhuangzi somewhere. Reading those (more in general) will probably help me understanding other eastern philosophy.

Lol if you didn't get anything out of Tao Te Ching you won't be getting anything out of Zhuangzi, it's even more obscure and it's notorious for being even more difficult to interpret than Tao Te Ching.

It has some very beautiful passages in it though, so it might be enjoyable on that level.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: shosta on August 21, 2018, 10:21:34 PM
I used to love Pilgrim at Tinker Creek when I was in highschool. Tried picking it up again and it's lost all its magic. Somehow this makes me inconsolably sad.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 22, 2018, 12:35:19 AM
Re-reading Gibson's THE PERIPHERAL, which is stunningly even better than the first read. It's as insightful as Neuromancer, and if you disagree with me, you're wrong.

I couldnt get into the Neuromancer at all :(

It was too dense with all these terms he invented, like overkill.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on August 22, 2018, 12:55:19 AM
I finished up The Wolfman by Nicolas Pekearo

It's a werewolf detective book by a young author that died right before it came out sadly. Was a reserve police officer in NYC (aka no gun) and got shot in the head chasing a perp. There's even a short story at the end of the book written by him before his death about becoming a police officer and what it was like.

The Wolfman, being written by a young punk-y NYC/NJ guy is pretty raw and the main character narrates and talks like a fuck off everyone guy. The concept of werewolf detective is pretty fun and the pacing is pretty good and overall the book is enjoyable. My only nitpick is for a who-dunnit, the culprit is way too obvious, but once you get past that it's a good read, especially for a very early and in some ways amateurish book (I believe it was his 2nd book). If you like Werewolves it's worth a read.

Need to start looking for the next quality horror, under 400 page book for my book club. If you got any suggestions, lemme know. So far we've read House of Leaves (ok), The Social Affair (eh), The Thief of Always (alright), The Fisherman (quite good), Short stories by Charles Beaumont (mixed bag, some great, some good, some bad), and now The Wolfman (good). We implemented the under 400 page rule after House of Leaves because that was a fucking huge book and scared off most of the people interested in coming.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on August 22, 2018, 01:28:49 AM
Doing some searching, I'm gonna go with this. I definitely prefer Humor over about everything. So a comedy/horror nerd mashup that's actually good sounds like a winner.

https://www.npr.org/2017/07/15/535799772/in-meddling-kids-the-scooby-gang-grows-up-hard
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2018, 01:12:11 PM
The Cloven, Book 3 of the Vorrh Trilogy is out, so I'm reading that.

(https://i.imgur.com/IQwcaRC.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on August 22, 2018, 02:10:41 PM
Cool cover, what type of series is it?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 22, 2018, 02:43:24 PM
Lol if you didn't get anything out of Tao Te Ching you won't be getting anything out of Zhuangzi, it's even more obscure and it's notorious for being even more difficult to interpret than Tao Te Ching.

It has some very beautiful passages in it though, so it might be enjoyable on that level.

Some of what I read of Zhuangzi seems to follow the same structure as the greek dialogues. Some pretty much read like fairy-tales.

It might not be any easier to understand, but it sure is a hell of a lot easier to read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2018, 03:25:40 PM
Cool cover, what type of series is it?

Low Fantasy/Horror

It's about a colonial city in Africa on the edge of a primordial forest in central Africa, set in the 1920-30's. The forest is believed by some of the locals to be the Garden of Eden, and the creatures that live there are the remnants of the angels sent to guard it, but it's never been fully explored because the forest also causes everyone that enters it to lose their minds after a few days.

I read the first two books during the summer, they were pretty good, but I got roasted because I said they were whimsical.  :badass
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2018, 03:47:56 PM
The Colour of Time: A New History of the World, 1850-1960

A book made by a 23 year old girl from Brazil who colorizes black & white photo's and an English historian who's skilled at describing the times and events that took place.
It basically shows the history of the world from the late 1800's all the way up to 1960 in color.
The quality of the images is just incredible. It's much easier to identify with or comprehend these events if they're in color.

The writing in the book is pretty good as well and it even got a shout-out from 'Hardcore History' Dan Carlin.
If you like history or just want an encyclopedia about how this world came to be I highly recommend this book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 22, 2018, 03:56:12 PM
I'm also reading some history book.

The part that gripped me the most so far was seeing the way the Mayans got their elongated heads. It got a drawing of a child with his head stuck between two planks. There's a rock tied to the elevated plank to weigh the plank down and squash the child's head in the desired shape.

Made me laugh pretty damn hard.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 22, 2018, 03:57:50 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Maya_cranial_deformation.gif)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 24, 2018, 06:22:37 PM
I took a break from the second Malazan book to read "It" to get hyped for Halloween.
It's my first time reading the whole thing (I started it back in high school and gave up).
I have to laugh at how stereo typically Stephen King it is. It starts off you're like "OK" about a quarter of the way you're like "Wow this is fun and well put together!" Then at the end it all comes unglued and falls apart spectacularly. I'm still butt hurt over how the Dark Tower series disintegrated, sorta funny to see how that happened again in It.

I'm also re-reading the Divine Comedy. I love Dante's arrogance and how he pulls it off. I love that in almost every circle of hell he puts someone he knew in there. It'd be like "Then I got to the prostitutes and I was like "Hey Mupepe! How's it going?!"
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2018, 12:36:57 AM
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1487272985l/33413964.jpg)

Apparently H.W. considered himself an expert on China because he lived there for a little while, even though he spoke no Chinese and never studied its history, so he was considered the administration's "China desk."

Tiananmen Square totally surprised him because his old friend Deng didn't seem like that type of guy. This was a guy he had met like five times over 15 years prior. The last time (and first time as President) for just five minutes in private before a banquet dinner.

As more of these once locked files become opened and these books are written I'm surprised at just how many Presidents seemed to think they could not only be their own Chief of Staffs, but also effectively Secretary of State.

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Kinda makes me feel better that Trump was like "nah, fuck that boring shit" and just tweets random crap he sees on FOX that policy people probably truly don't take seriously. Even though I highly disagree with the bureaucracy's foreign policy too.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 17, 2018, 09:22:16 AM
if anyone is interested, verso books has a 50% sale on selected items: https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/3998-50-off-all-student-reading
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 30, 2018, 08:02:02 AM
last day to grab a bunch of free ebooks off verso, i have no idea which are any good but hey, they're free https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/4033-last-chance-flash-ebook-giveaway?utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=308c12dbe5-US+Direct%3A+BTS+Free+Ebooks_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f96ba5fab-308c12dbe5-410499237&mc_cid=308c12dbe5&mc_eid=0cf71de45a
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: shosta on September 30, 2018, 08:26:19 AM
What's in the socialist canon after Marx?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: VomKriege on September 30, 2018, 08:37:23 AM
What's in the socialist canon after Marx?

Not "post" Marx (not sure the dogma admits there was anything to add) but I guess the usual names would be : Trotski, Proudhon, Bakounine, Saint Simon. Otherwise Lenin and Mao. Kara will surely have all the good expert stuff.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 30, 2018, 10:51:45 AM
Reading Gimmick! by Joost Zwagerman.

The dude commited suicide in 2015, a fitting punishment.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 30, 2018, 02:23:40 PM
What's in the socialist canon after Marx?
really depends on what you’re interested in. Specifically wrt 20th century Marxism: Kautsky, Gramsci, Luxembourg, Lukacs, Adorno, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Marcuse, Althusser. The most notable contemporary names in the Anglosphere are prob GA Cohen, David Harvey and Richard Wolff.

For strains of socialism/leftism in deliberate contradistinction to orthodox Marxism: Bernstein, Sorel, and as vomkrieges pointed out, Bakunin and kropotkin.

There’s also a turn in the middle of the century where the most poignant apologetics for leftward politics goes from revolutionary tracts/philosophical treatises to empirical social scientific or historical studies. In this category you could look at Hobsawm or EP Thompson.

And there are brands of socialism that aren’t noticeably leftward: Comte, Spengler, Schmitt.

If nothing else, just read Corey Robin and David Graeber. And even if you do read everything else, still read Robin and Graeber.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MMaRsu on September 30, 2018, 02:32:36 PM
Has anyone read this book?

(https://s.s-bol.com/imgbase0/imagebase3/large/FC/9/4/4/2/1001004002922449.jpg)

Thinking about buying it
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Kara on September 30, 2018, 03:05:44 PM
To use an analogy Dmitri Dmitriyevich, you asked for the best animes to watch after Dragon Ball Z and jake gave you a bunch of weeb shit with varying degrees of pantsu that you'll only ever talk about on the internet or at Anime Expo.

Anyway:

Socialism: Utopian and Scientific - Engels
The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State - Engels
Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism - Lenin
The State and Revolution - Lenin
Prison Notebooks - Gramsci
Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong - guess

Where you go from there will really depend on the line you take (or don't take).
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 30, 2018, 04:24:16 PM
where do all these accelerationist kids like nick land and yuk hui fit in? they still count as marxists or some offshoot socialism?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 30, 2018, 05:42:45 PM
To use an analogy Dmitri Dmitriyevich, you asked for the best animes to watch after Dragon Ball Z and jake gave you a bunch of weeb shit with varying degrees of pantsu that you'll only ever talk about on the internet or at Anime Expo.
:dead im mad but this isn’t wrong.
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Post by: shosta on September 30, 2018, 06:09:24 PM
Thanks all
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on October 01, 2018, 01:45:07 AM
you've all left zizek off your lists

To use an analogy Dmitri Dmitriyevich, you asked for the best animes to watch after Dragon Ball Z and jake gave you a bunch of weeb shit with varying degrees of pantsu that you'll only ever talk about on the internet or at Anime Expo.
the frankfurt school stuff isn't all pantsu-tier, quasi una fantasia i feel can be worked into conversation without going full  :snob
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 01, 2018, 04:05:32 AM
Has anyone read this book?

(https://s.s-bol.com/imgbase0/imagebase3/large/FC/9/4/4/2/1001004002922449.jpg)

Thinking about buying it

Do you want a self-help book that basically tells you, follow your dreams!

I thought it was this spiritual nonsense that middle-age women with one of those dollar store buddha statues gobble up.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 01, 2018, 07:46:53 PM
zizek
:donot
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: MMaRsu on October 01, 2018, 07:56:05 PM
Has anyone read this book?

(https://s.s-bol.com/imgbase0/imagebase3/large/FC/9/4/4/2/1001004002922449.jpg)

Thinking about buying it

Do you want a self-help book that basically tells you, follow your dreams!

I thought it was this spiritual nonsense that middle-age women with one of those dollar store buddha statues gobble up.

Well a woman did reccomend it to me so  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on October 02, 2018, 06:23:03 AM
zizek
:donot
ah he's pretty harmless and fun if you view him as a court jester.

on topic, just finished gerald's party by robert coover, wonderful juvenile humour and entertaining dialogue. onto thinking fast and slow by daniel kahneman
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 02, 2018, 09:53:58 AM
Reading the DRESDEN FILES, just finished Dead Beat. There are some really good moments in it, and it has a pretty solid wrap-up.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 03, 2018, 04:38:05 AM
My favourite bit from the Gimmick! book so far.

"I found a hair of my ex-girlfriend in her tobacco. I took the hair, scrunched it up, pulled on my foreskin and tucked it underneath my dickhead. The best place in the house."
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Post by: FatalT on October 09, 2018, 04:40:12 PM
I got back into reading recently and was reading some Young Adult-type novels because I wanted easier reading material to ease myself back in. I was looking through lists of the best horror novels ever (obviously a lot of Stephen King) but I was wanting to see if any of you had any recommendations.

Right now I’m reading Richard Matheson’s Hell House (I read his novel I Am Legend which was way better than the Will Smith movie) which is amazing to me since it released in 1971 and most ghost-based horror movies I’ve seen use the tropes the novel seems to have started. I was planning on reading Shirley Jackson’s The Haunting of Hill House next because it has a series coming out on Netflix soon and is supposed to be one of the best horror novels from lists.

Anyone else reading horror for October?
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Post by: shosta on October 17, 2018, 01:34:39 PM
(https://web.ics.purdue.edu/~felluga/foucault.jpeg)
wish me luck, jake-san
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Post by: Crash Dummy on October 31, 2018, 04:17:19 AM
started the pale king by dfw. finding it a little slow going, not because of the writing but every time he throws in an accounting term i either start thinking about irl work or googling since i don't know much about us-specific accounting and the irs
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 31, 2018, 08:45:15 AM
A book about the Romans conquering the Greeks.  Man, the Greeks are a bunch of catty bitches. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on November 02, 2018, 12:50:45 PM
Finished re-reading Foucault's Pendulum again. It was less mystic and more literary than I'd recalled.
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Post by: shosta on November 02, 2018, 12:52:24 PM
Umberto Eco :mouf
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2018, 09:39:51 PM
I read Foucault's Pendulum and The Illuminatus Trilogy back-to-back about ten years ago. Probably due for a re-read of both.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 05, 2018, 10:22:25 PM
ps buy this. I was an editor on it.

http://a.co/d/i9XdujC

There’s a non-special edition too, but yr all spcial
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 06, 2018, 01:43:31 AM
Assi died for this book plug
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 06, 2018, 03:58:41 AM
Reading Underground Railroad.

The writing itself seems kinda bad so far. Did the dude just get props for writing about slavery? I imagine reading about the actual underground railroad is more entertaining than this.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2018, 07:15:29 AM
Assi died for this book plug

I’m working on something Arvie would like now :(
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2018, 03:35:04 PM
Assi died for this book plug

I’m working on something Arvie would like now :(

I'm sure he's already read My Friend Dahmer.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 08, 2018, 04:33:19 PM
Finished this book I picked up for my flights last month:

(https://i.imgur.com/JSfyifgh.jpg)

Meddling Kids after reading some good reviews. The first half was pretty fun with entertaining main characters and some witty interactions. The second half was ehhhh. Got way too cartoony PG-13 teen scooby-doo (which is what it was supposed to be satiring) when the first half set it up as a dark comedy realistic satire on kid detective scooby-doo tropes.

Had some good humor but wasn't consistent enough in that. Also waaaay too many nerdy videogame references like RACCOON CITY.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 18, 2018, 03:43:11 PM
Reading the collected works of Ida Gerhardt. (A dutch poet)

Got to her translations now, which consist of De Rerum Natura by Lucretius, Georgica by Virgil and the book of Psalms from the bible.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2018, 06:02:12 PM
A cute gal that's into Sanderson recommended me a novella he did in 2012 called The Emperor's Soul. Read it over a couple nights and was pretty fun, which was my experience with his Mistborn trilogy as well. From just having read those Sanderson stories feels his writing feels sorta like western sci-fi/fantasy anime, it's fun popcorn entertainment that reads quick, but nothing particularly deep or memorable.

I'm working through Dark Tower Book 7 (the final one) but it's going a bit slow. I was really with the series until book 7 and was fine with the opening showdown

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Callahan vs the Vampires
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But the subsequent chapters of

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Susanah Spider-Baby and Jake
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have been a bit zzz. Hoping once I get past this beginning stuff it'll pick up.
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Post by: chronovore on November 29, 2018, 04:04:17 AM
Reading the hell out of some Joe Abercrombie lately. I think my favorite is still BEST SERVED COLD, but I'm enjoying THE BLADE ITSELF on the heels of HALF A KING. If you guys like gritty (nonTolkien) fantasy, Abercrombie is the man, and the audible reader is:
 :delicious
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 05, 2018, 06:39:26 AM
In Europe by Geert Mak

History book that chronicles Europe in the 20th century. World War 1 has just ended and now reading about the build-up to WW2.
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Post by: shosta on December 09, 2018, 06:10:32 PM
Finished Post Office by Bukowski. Awesome. Never felt so inspired to do nothing before. Thanks for recommending it, TVC. I mean you didn't really, but I was thinking of you one day, and then that reminded me that this book existed, and in my head I thought that if I asked you, you would say I should read it, and I consider that a kind of recommendation in spirit. Also benji, sorry for the carriage returns in another thread. I finally saw that post on mobile and it was deleterious to my wellbeing. But I won't fix it.
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Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
First off, boo on CyndiMayweather for starting multiple new threads for which there are existing threads. I applaud enthusiasm, but c'mon.

Case in point: Yay, we all like books.

I'm reading Yes, Please by Amy Poehler, read by her and some of her friends. Hearing Patrick Stewart read catty, birth-related haiku was a joy. Much like Tina Fey's Bossypants, it's almost disappointing to find out how human and normal and neurotic these super-achieving heroes of mine actually are. But at the same time, it's a reality check to see how they deal with their own failure and neuroses.

This is my first non-Audible audiobook in decades. I have an Audible account, but I felt like an idiot paying US$15 a month for the right to buy a single new audiobook. Netflix costs US$12 on my plan, and it gives me as much media as I can watch during the month. It just didn't make sense.

:old_man_shouts_at_cloud.gif

After my most recent trip to the USA, I've got a library card tied into the whole digital borrowing system now, and am using Libby, Overdrive, and thanks to someone else's recommendation here, Hoopla. The latter allows movie and TV lending as well, so I'm interested to see what happens there.

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Post by: HardcoreRetro on January 23, 2019, 12:12:29 PM
Finished Shusaku Endo's Silence.

Liked it a lot. It's about the struggles of the Portuguese missionaries trying to convert the Japanese to the catholic belief. It takes place in the time that christians were heavily prosecuted in Japan and had to practice their faith in secret.

Reading La Superba by Ilja Leonard Pfeijffer now. It's a book about the author's love for Genoa and a love story in one.
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Post by: Snoopycat_ on January 23, 2019, 01:52:45 PM
Halfway through Stephen King's The Outsider. It's either a spooky ghost or his wife
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 24, 2019, 10:37:15 AM
Reading Neil Gaiman's Norse Mythology. It is clear that his take on the norse gods has not really changed from when he was writing Sandman. Not a bad thing, just… the same.
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Post by: Snoopycat_ on January 29, 2019, 08:41:10 PM
Well, it looks like The Outsider is about a spooky ghost after all. Halfway through King actually takes a moment to throw shit at Stanley Kubrick again. He's now spent almost 40 years bitching and buttflapping about Kubrick to anyone who will listen. The way he's going he'll reach Evilore levels of pettiness.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on February 01, 2019, 07:19:34 AM
Started on The Shining myself. Can't wait to see which version I like more. (It'll be Kubrick's.)

Cindi, how's the reading challenge thing going? I'm still on pace with my 52 books a year thing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: kingv on February 01, 2019, 10:04:42 PM
First off, boo on CyndiMayweather for starting multiple new threads for which there are existing threads. I applaud enthusiasm, but c'mon.

Case in point: Yay, we all like books.

I'm reading Yes, Please by Amy Poehler, read by her and some of her friends. Hearing Patrick Stewart read catty, birth-related haiku was a joy. Much like Tina Fey's Bossypants, it's almost disappointing to find out how human and normal and neurotic these super-achieving heroes of mine actually are. But at the same time, it's a reality check to see how they deal with their own failure and neuroses.

This is my first non-Audible audiobook in decades. I have an Audible account, but I felt like an idiot paying US$15 a month for the right to buy a single new audiobook. Netflix costs US$12 on my plan, and it gives me as much media as I can watch during the month. It just didn't make sense.

:old_man_shouts_at_cloud.gif

After my most recent trip to the USA, I've got a library card tied into the whole digital borrowing system now, and am using Libby, Overdrive, and thanks to someone else's recommendation here, Hoopla. The latter allows movie and TV lending as well, so I'm interested to see what happens there.

I use audible and really like it. Reading is one of those things I theoretically like to do, but find it hard to find the time. But pop an audiobook on the headphones and I can absorb a book while doing all sorts of mundane shot like dishes or cleaning or whatever. It really passes the shit out of the time for me.

I mostly listen to sci-fi and fantasy popcorn fiction, and most of the free services I just can’t really find what I want to listen to.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 04, 2019, 11:50:36 PM
Kinda got into Dresden Files over the past few years, started enjoying it quite a bit. Learned that the author has a more traditional fantasy series, FURIES of CALDERON or something like that, which he writes at the between Dresden books...

...and I got about 20% into the first book and just couldn't stay engaged. :-/

Library also has audiobooks for some of the Jack Reacher and Alex Cross airport novels. I'm pleased with how quickly they put me to sleep.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2019, 07:27:19 PM
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1463950262l/26244418.jpg)

Basically, the myth of battle has ruined war planning for centuries. Battles don't decide post-medieval wars and never have (not even then really), it's similar to the "cult of the offensive" in that generals are predisposed to it because of the glory. Also the Germans and French are genetically predisposed to believing in the myth of battle.

Coward backs off by saying that some battles can be decisive in the larger picture, but could have just as easily said the battles are factors of the larger picture. Stalingrad was the faults of the Nazi offensive brought to a single point. The First Marne was an expression of the flaws of the German belief in fast war versus modern defensive weapons. Actually he makes this point with some of Napoleon's battles that ultimately failed but then seems to forget it to prop up the Allies in the two world wars.

Has he himself fallen for the allure of battle? :thinking
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Post by: BlueTsunami on February 20, 2019, 09:41:32 PM
I'm reading Crime and Punishment. Man, Raskolnikov's horse dream is one doozy of an existential nightmare.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 21, 2019, 04:29:48 AM
Reading Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children. I can see why Tim Burton wanted to direct the film, but it could have just as easily been Fincher. This dark is not whimsical.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 22, 2019, 06:53:23 PM
Finished The Dark Tower series last night. Took me about 3 months to get through the final book.

It was an entertaining series. Unlike what I'd read where people really hate the last 3 books, I felt like all the books had their pros/cons and the series was pretty consistent. I read all 8 books including the latter Wind through the Keyhole (reading between book 4-5 where it fits timeline-wise) and the 9th book was reading Salem's Lot before Wolves of the Calla with Callahan.

My biggest complaint in the last book was just that it was really slow. Like there's a part near the end where so much has happened and so many people are dead and it's the final last bit of journey and King spends 100 pages describing walking through the winter cold hunting deer and sewing clothes and snow shoes. Stuff like that just draaaagged between bits where things were happening. But then again when you got to the end, it really felt like you were there for every step of the journey. You felt the length and tiredness of the long journey in your bones like the characters, and so eh, it's acceptable.

I actually really liked the ending
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When it ends with Patrick Danville watching Roland walk through the rose field and into the tower as the tower doors shut closed behind him forever. THE END.

Like it definitely was about the journey and not what's in the tower. And I like that the series kept it's own wacky continuity with Stephen King being in the story, so he probably wouldn't know what was in the tower, because no one besides Roland ever would, so that was fitting to end it.
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But the Coda was

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Definitely less satisfying. King even prefaces it that the story was about the journey and what's in the tower isn't going to satisfy you. And yeah, time loop but maybe he'll get it right next time (with total vague what right even means) kinda sucks but eh, I'll live with it. I'd like to think that Roland's journey is to die satisfied with the choices he made with his life and so he's in a purgatory loop of repeating the journey over and over again until he makes choices he can live with and then the final door he walks into the clearing and dies. Since when he's seeing his life play out along the tower he can't even watch it in this journey because it's just full of bloodshed and death and that's his story this time around. Anyhow, that's just my take since the ending is so open.
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On the goofiness of the latter half, I didn't mind. I also enjoy Kingdom Heart's story for the silliness but serious lore it is. My main thing with built up crazy lores are just to stay logically and universally consistent and I felt like Dark Tower did that and didn't break its own logic rules. Even when

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King provides the Deus Ex Machina note in Dandelo's hut (which btw was a cool bit, having an IT-related creature in the story they have to escape from), the deus ex machina bit works since King is telling the story and creating the narrative that Gan/God wants.

I also have no problem with Stephen King being a character in the story. I thought it was fun.
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I can see why people would be pissed with how some of the main antagonists went out, but I felt all of them were tonally and logically consistent with the series and actually liked their endings even if at the moment they felt anti-climatic.

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Walter/Man in Black - Goofy Magician going across worlds for centuries doing evil shit like Kefka the Jester, but when it comes to the real final deal of trying to cheat his boss The Crimson King and take the tower he rolls a gambit of making Mordred the Spider Baby thinking he'd control him and it blows up in his face and literally eats his eyeballs. Feels right in retrospect for his character.

Mordred - It was a little weird following him the whole time and he's an interesting weird character as an angsty kid/spider-demon. And while it's a little anti-climatic to have his final battle play out as it did with him waiting for the right moment and then pouncing, ignoring Oy thinking who cares about some dumb critter, and then having it blow up in his face literally as his face is shot off. He's weakened from eating the poison IT-monster horse but it goes into his character logic that he's been hungry and eating everything he sees and whoops, that fucked him. He was powerful but he was also a dumb kid who thought he knew it all and the pride kills him. Also the final fight was important in the line of things Roland sacrifices since he sees his own child's face in the spider-demon and shoots it without hesitation in the end.

Crimson King - I see a lot of people made a fuss about how this battle played out at the end, but I loved this bit. I loved the idea that the Crimson King was just some charismatic Hitler-ish leader with some psychic powers that created a cult, destroyed most of the world and then grew old and went crazy and made himself an undead vampire and then whoops locked himself out on the tower's balcony and now he's just this crazy old Santa Claus guy with no cult left and just a frail old man with a stash of weapons and some psychic power and deeply afraid of Roland since it'd been prophecized Roland would kill him. His EEEEEEEEEEEEE! lunatic screaming and stuff was greaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

I also liked how Patrick took him out. Once they revealed Patrick's abilities to erase it made sense, because there was no way Roland was gonna be able to beat this undead psychic power guy and painting and erasing him made sense within the series logic. I was at first annoyed I thought of this way before Roland did, but then Roland even says he'd been holding off going in that direction simply because of Pride, because he wanted to be the one to kill the Crimson King. I like how self-aware it was.

So yeah, I satisfied with how everyone went out. Eddie's & Oy's deaths were sad and Jake was kinda a bummer but someone was gonna die. The book did a good job making me think it might kill Roland off and have Jake finish the journey for him. I never was 100% sure how it would be go.
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Overall the world and journey of the Dark Tower series with the beams and todash creatures and Blaine the Mono's and Dandelo's was a really epic journey across a fascinating world that had passed. I think yeah, Wizard and Glass book 4 was the best, but then I actually liked Book 3 The Wastelands and Book 5 Wolves of the Calla on equal grounds after. The first was a good Fallout book, the second was a good Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven book. After that I really liked Book 8 The Wind Through the Keyhole for its stories and what it added to the world. I felt it added a good deal about Walter. Book 2 Drawing of the Three had good bits and kinda boring bits, Book 6/7 was a really long and slow final journey with good bits and some boring bits, and my least favorite is The Gunslinger just because it's literally just an intro episode for the series.

Not perfect, not great art, but I enjoyed the ride and glad I read it. Now I kinda want to hunt down and read some of the tangibly related King stories featuring Can-toi, The Crimson King, Walter, etc... like The Regulators, Insomnia, Eye of the Dragon.

Also now I can finally watch the Dark Tower movie! Excited for Idris Roland, I started the series around when the movie was coming out so during my read Roland was always Idris Elba and Walter always MM. I know the movie is gonna suck but just seeing Idris be Roland is something I'm looking forward to.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on February 23, 2019, 04:23:38 AM
How was the writing itself.

The Shining reads like it was made for kids. Such simple writing.
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Post by: chronovore on February 23, 2019, 06:44:14 AM
Finished Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children. I expected to like it more than I did. I know it's YA and theoretically I should chalk up stuff I don't like to that, but it felt like the worldbuilding was uneven: great in some areas, and given very short shrift in others.
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Also weirded out by canonically 80-year-old children.
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Also starting Glen Cook's The Black Company, which I'd been meaning to read forever.

Still in the middle of the first Mistborn book; I'll return to it shortly.
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Post by: Bebpo on February 23, 2019, 03:25:11 PM
How was the writing itself.

The Shining reads like it was made for kids. Such simple writing.

Probably about the same? All King's writing seems about the same to me. It's straight-forward and reads easy and quick. I mean, I started reading Stephen King books when I was like 10 years old, so yeah it's kid-level writing. I'm fine with it, but if you're looking for great prose you're not gonna find it in the Dark Tower series.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on February 25, 2019, 05:32:50 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51gJGOFNVdL._SX324_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
started this last month and only 200 pages in but so far so good, it's making me want to read up on pre-socratics, especially the pythagorians
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Post by: kingv on February 25, 2019, 10:43:13 PM
Listening to more popcorn audio books lately and have some good ones. They probably all carry the Young Adult label, which always kind of annoys me, but that’s where all the moderately popcorn sci-fi is these days :-/

1) Arc of the Scythe series by Neil Schusterman: takes place in a future earth where a computer has solved all of our problems, including death. The last human institution is basically the one that controls who lives or dies. People that make those decisions are called scythes. A couple of young bucks become scythe apprentices and kill for a job. Shit goes down. First two books are out, but the last in the trilogy is yet to be released. The audiobook performance is really good.

2) superpowereds series by drew Hayes:  basically it’s superhero college in a world where there are superheroes. Each book is one year of school and there is a fifth book that is basically a side story. I’m on the last book now and the series is really good, as a ton of stuff happens each year. Each book is really long (30+ hours on audio book) so you really get to know each character well, and it’s fun to see how the characters develop. Their powers develop, people die, and there are a number of sub plots that go multiple books.

Only thing weird is that the books were published pretty recently but they are kind of anachronistic. I feel like he may have written them like 10 years ago and then found a publisher. It’s nothing too crazy but just feels odd that the characters are going to video stores and stuff knowing the first book was published in like 2014.

I’ve noticed this series is cheap as shit on kindle, if you prefer to read your books, like $4 each.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: shosta on February 25, 2019, 10:47:58 PM
Right now I'm trying to slog through White Noise and it's a challenge. 40 pages in, and I think this book is giving me cancer.
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Post by: chronovore on February 25, 2019, 11:57:59 PM
Listening to more popcorn audio books lately and have some good ones. They probably all carry the Young Adult label, which always kind of annoys me, but that’s where all the moderately popcorn sci-fi is these days :-/

1) Arc of the Scythe series by Neil Schusterman: takes place in a future earth where a computer has solved all of our problems, including death. The last human institution is basically the one that controls who lives or dies. People that make those decisions are called scythes. A couple of young bucks become scythe apprentices and kill for a job. Shit goes down. First two books are out, but the last in the trilogy is yet to be released. The audiobook performance is really good.

2) superpowereds series by drew Hayes:  basically it’s superhero college in a world where there are superheroes. Each book is one year of school and there is a fifth book that is basically a side story. I’m on the last book now and the series is really good, as a ton of stuff happens each year. Each book is really long (30+ hours on audio book) so you really get to know each character well, and it’s fun to see how the characters develop. Their powers develop, people die, and there are a number of sub plots that go multiple books.

Only thing weird is that the books were published pretty recently but they are kind of anachronistic. I feel like he may have written them like 10 years ago and then found a publisher. It’s nothing too crazy but just feels odd that the characters are going to video stores and stuff knowing the first book was published in like 2014.

I’ve noticed this series is cheap as shit on kindle, if you prefer to read your books, like $4 each.

If you like cheap Kindle/Kobo books, Nightshade Press' mailing list has weekly stuff at US$1.99; it's where I picked up my first Laird Barron books.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on February 26, 2019, 12:55:34 AM
Right now I'm trying to slog through White Noise and it's a challenge. 40 pages in, and I think this book is giving me cancer.
never read any delilo but i thought he was meant to be pretty amazing? is the book horribly dated now?
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Post by: shosta on February 26, 2019, 01:21:33 AM
I wouldn't say it's outdated; we still suffocate slowly in a postmodern hell. It's just a plodding read. There's still a chance I end up liking this. I know this is his breakthrough novel and he has his fans, so I'm sticking with it.
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Post by: kingv on February 26, 2019, 02:17:11 AM
Listening to more popcorn audio books lately and have some good ones. They probably all carry the Young Adult label, which always kind of annoys me, but that’s where all the moderately popcorn sci-fi is these days :-/

1) Arc of the Scythe series by Neil Schusterman: takes place in a future earth where a computer has solved all of our problems, including death. The last human institution is basically the one that controls who lives or dies. People that make those decisions are called scythes. A couple of young bucks become scythe apprentices and kill for a job. Shit goes down. First two books are out, but the last in the trilogy is yet to be released. The audiobook performance is really good.

2) superpowereds series by drew Hayes:  basically it’s superhero college in a world where there are superheroes. Each book is one year of school and there is a fifth book that is basically a side story. I’m on the last book now and the series is really good, as a ton of stuff happens each year. Each book is really long (30+ hours on audio book) so you really get to know each character well, and it’s fun to see how the characters develop. Their powers develop, people die, and there are a number of sub plots that go multiple books.

Only thing weird is that the books were published pretty recently but they are kind of anachronistic. I feel like he may have written them like 10 years ago and then found a publisher. It’s nothing too crazy but just feels odd that the characters are going to video stores and stuff knowing the first book was published in like 2014.

I’ve noticed this series is cheap as shit on kindle, if you prefer to read your books, like $4 each.

If you like cheap Kindle/Kobo books, Nightshade Press' mailing list has weekly stuff at US$1.99; it's where I picked up my first Laird Barron books.

I’m almost entirely audible now. It just really fits my lifestyle.

Cooking dinner: put on a book
Doing dishes: put on a book
Shoveling this god awful amount of snow we have had this year: more books

It’s been a huge quality of life improvement for me while doing mundane shit.

It’s probably why I listen to so many books that are really easy to listen to, because I’m doing it while doing other stuff.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 26, 2019, 02:40:58 AM
Listening to more popcorn audio books lately and have some good ones. They probably all carry the Young Adult label, which always kind of annoys me, but that’s where all the moderately popcorn sci-fi is these days :-/

1) Arc of the Scythe series by Neil Schusterman: takes place in a future earth where a computer has solved all of our problems, including death. The last human institution is basically the one that controls who lives or dies. People that make those decisions are called scythes. A couple of young bucks become scythe apprentices and kill for a job. Shit goes down. First two books are out, but the last in the trilogy is yet to be released. The audiobook performance is really good.

2) superpowereds series by drew Hayes:  basically it’s superhero college in a world where there are superheroes. Each book is one year of school and there is a fifth book that is basically a side story. I’m on the last book now and the series is really good, as a ton of stuff happens each year. Each book is really long (30+ hours on audio book) so you really get to know each character well, and it’s fun to see how the characters develop. Their powers develop, people die, and there are a number of sub plots that go multiple books.

Only thing weird is that the books were published pretty recently but they are kind of anachronistic. I feel like he may have written them like 10 years ago and then found a publisher. It’s nothing too crazy but just feels odd that the characters are going to video stores and stuff knowing the first book was published in like 2014.

I’ve noticed this series is cheap as shit on kindle, if you prefer to read your books, like $4 each.

If you like cheap Kindle/Kobo books, Nightshade Press' mailing list has weekly stuff at US$1.99; it's where I picked up my first Laird Barron books.

I’m almost entirely audible now. It just really fits my lifestyle.

Cooking dinner: put on a book
Doing dishes: put on a book
Shoveling this god awful amount of snow we have had this year: more books

It’s been a huge quality of life improvement for me while doing mundane shit.

It’s probably why I listen to so many books that are really easy to listen to, because I’m doing it while doing other stuff.

I was happy to find that public libraries now "lend" digital audiobooks in the USA. I have one now, and am borrowing audiobooks from California while living in Tokyo. It's esp. nice because I've limited my Audible account to a credit every other month, and now I just put a hold on any library books they have, which are automatically borrowed when they become available.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on February 26, 2019, 04:17:59 AM
I think this book is giving me cancer.

Keep on reading, I'd say.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on February 26, 2019, 07:46:51 AM
I wouldn't say it's outdated; we still suffocate slowly in a postmodern hell. It's just a plodding read. There's still a chance I end up liking this. I know this is his breakthrough novel and he has his fans, so I'm sticking with it.
ah ok, i look forward to hearing your final thoughts as dfw once called him the most important living writer in america or something to that effect
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: kingv on February 26, 2019, 01:49:10 PM
Listening to more popcorn audio books lately and have some good ones. They probably all carry the Young Adult label, which always kind of annoys me, but that’s where all the moderately popcorn sci-fi is these days :-/

1) Arc of the Scythe series by Neil Schusterman: takes place in a future earth where a computer has solved all of our problems, including death. The last human institution is basically the one that controls who lives or dies. People that make those decisions are called scythes. A couple of young bucks become scythe apprentices and kill for a job. Shit goes down. First two books are out, but the last in the trilogy is yet to be released. The audiobook performance is really good.

2) superpowereds series by drew Hayes:  basically it’s superhero college in a world where there are superheroes. Each book is one year of school and there is a fifth book that is basically a side story. I’m on the last book now and the series is really good, as a ton of stuff happens each year. Each book is really long (30+ hours on audio book) so you really get to know each character well, and it’s fun to see how the characters develop. Their powers develop, people die, and there are a number of sub plots that go multiple books.

Only thing weird is that the books were published pretty recently but they are kind of anachronistic. I feel like he may have written them like 10 years ago and then found a publisher. It’s nothing too crazy but just feels odd that the characters are going to video stores and stuff knowing the first book was published in like 2014.

I’ve noticed this series is cheap as shit on kindle, if you prefer to read your books, like $4 each.

If you like cheap Kindle/Kobo books, Nightshade Press' mailing list has weekly stuff at US$1.99; it's where I picked up my first Laird Barron books.

I’m almost entirely audible now. It just really fits my lifestyle.

Cooking dinner: put on a book
Doing dishes: put on a book
Shoveling this god awful amount of snow we have had this year: more books

It’s been a huge quality of life improvement for me while doing mundane shit.

It’s probably why I listen to so many books that are really easy to listen to, because I’m doing it while doing other stuff.

I was happy to find that public libraries now "lend" digital audiobooks in the USA. I have one now, and am borrowing audiobooks from California while living in Tokyo. It's esp. nice because I've limited my Audible account to a credit every other month, and now I just put a hold on any library books they have, which are automatically borrowed when they become available.

My library has that too, but I haven’t 100% figured out how it works yet. Their selection looks kind of weird though, so I haven’t looked too deeply into it.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2019, 02:55:45 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/horus-heresy-2019-warhammer-book-bundle

(https://i.imgur.com/LhJRgAw.jpg)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 07, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Are those books complete in some way or will I need to buy a bunch more to read in order?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2019, 05:40:43 PM
Are those books complete in some way or will I need to buy a bunch more to read in order?

I think there's roughly a thousand Horus Heresy books that are only loosely connected. Kara would know more.
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Post by: Snoopycat_ on March 07, 2019, 07:52:44 PM
I'm nearly at the end of The Shining. King has been buttflapping about Kubrick for 40 years now, but his version isn't better than Kubrick's, it's just slightly different. In the book Jack takes longer to go mental and the hotel is the source of evil. In the film Jack starts off on the edge and he's the source of evil. Kubrick's biographer claimed that King wrote an entire screenplay for Kubrick, but Kubrick dismissed King and didn't bother to read it. That would probably explain why King has been bitching about it since 1980
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2019, 09:21:15 PM
King is a little bitch. Has his ass seen The Tommyknockers or The freaking Langoliers?
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Post by: Potato on March 08, 2019, 12:32:49 AM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/horus-heresy-2019-warhammer-book-bundle

(https://i.imgur.com/LhJRgAw.jpg)

I picked up the last bundle they did. Only read the first two books so far, but both are legitimately good sci-fi.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 08, 2019, 01:12:24 AM
Are those books complete in some way or will I need to buy a bunch more to read in order?

I think there's roughly a thousand Horus Heresy books that are only loosely connected. Kara would know more.

They've just finished up this month with book 54 - they aren't really sequential though. Better to think of it as a setting - it's basically Warhammer 30k.

They're now doing the Siege of Terra series which is basically the endgame of the Horus Heresy.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 08, 2019, 04:38:05 AM
Jij zegt het - Connie Palmen

Seems to be another one of those writers that gets literary genius stamped on her just because she knows the history of her own craft. Honestly feels like the writer is rubbing her own clitoris over the ammount of classical writers she knows.

Guess I should tell what it actually is. A fictional biography of Ted Hughes and his relationship with Sylvia Plath.
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Post by: team filler on March 10, 2019, 12:05:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/LItfZfN.jpg)
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Post by: EightBitNate on March 10, 2019, 12:06:28 AM
Pleasantly surprised that you read, filler. Good for you.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2019, 02:40:58 PM
I'm nearly at the end of The Shining. King has been buttflapping about Kubrick for 40 years now, but his version isn't better than Kubrick's, it's just slightly different. In the book Jack takes longer to go mental and the hotel is the source of evil. In the film Jack starts off on the edge and he's the source of evil. Kubrick's biographer claimed that King wrote an entire screenplay for Kubrick, but Kubrick dismissed King and didn't bother to read it. That would probably explain why King has been bitching about it since 1980

Yeah, I prefer Kubrick's version and I like most pre-2000s King books.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2019, 02:45:49 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/horus-heresy-2019-warhammer-book-bundle

(https://i.imgur.com/LhJRgAw.jpg)

I've never read any Warhammer or played any of the games besides a few missions in DoWII. But for $1 I'll try reading one and see if it's fun.
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Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2019, 02:15:08 AM
Finishing Uprooted now. It's great. Eastern Yuurope fairy tale, except the faerie woods are scarier than hell, and there are very few nice people except the protagonist and a few friends. It's wholesome but deviant and insightful and wonderful. She's the same author who did His Majesty's Dragon, which I'll be reading next.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 19, 2019, 01:18:38 AM
Been rereading some fantasy from my childhood. Finished up David Eddings' Belgariad/Mallorean series, now I'm moving on to some RA Salvatore, baybee!  :success

Crimson Shadow Trilogy and Dark Elf Trilogy, to be specific. :success :success
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 04, 2019, 05:32:03 AM
Read Kokoro by Soseki Natsume.

Best book I read this year so far. A calm rumination on human relationships and the changing of time from classical to the modern era.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 04, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
[snip]
I was about to bring up Abu-Lughod’s Before European Hegemony but then it dawned on me that ‘wst’ stands for world systems theory. I’m generally for longue duree accounts that try to either provincialize Europe or are anti-realist about those received ‘common sense’ descriptors we use like nation, country, and culture when we try to explain stupidly huge developments like capitalism, how does it work? So at face this strikes me as good, though the blurb describes an uneven narrative, which, idk, might be merited with a topic this broad.

Similar accounts you could look at are Pomeranz’s Great Divergence and Morris’ Why the West Rules - for Now. And there’s that Acemoglu book (that I’m pretty sure someone in here’s read, can’t remember, please forgive me) for a more conventional (neo?-) liberal take/justification.

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I took a detour,  lazily attempting Fourier and Saint-Simon. :zzz nope.
cant blame you
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 04, 2019, 04:21:53 PM
Picked up a couple of Chaosium's Cthulhu Mythos collections at a used book store a couple of months back. Started reading The Hastur Cycle. It covers some early pre-Lovecraft weird fiction from Ambrose Bierce, Robert Chambers, and Arthur Manchen, and then stories from Lovecraft and his acolytes that were inspired by them.

(https://i.imgur.com/2cpq8Yu.jpg?1)
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Post by: chronovore on April 04, 2019, 07:45:02 PM
That is probably a great collection, but that cover design is a Thing Man Was Not Meant to Know.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 04, 2019, 08:35:50 PM
They all have really "special" coverart like that. :lol
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2019, 12:03:43 AM
Started Dancer's Lament today - halfway through.  God I missed Malazan.  This is easily Esslemont's first actually good book.  He also stopped trying to ape Erikson's structure and style with this one and I think that helps a lot. 
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Post by: Potato on April 07, 2019, 12:19:24 AM
I'm still working my way through 1787 by Nick Brodie.

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Nick Brodie’s 1787 traces the history of Australia before the First Fleet. Usually treated as a preface to the main story – a brief interlude that starts 50,000 years before the present and ends as sails are seen on an eastern horizon – the time before European settlement is so much more. In 1787 the peoples of Australia were not simply living in a timeless ‘Dreamtime’, following the seasons, and waiting for colonisation by Britain in 1788.

Nick Brodie uses the sailors, writers, scientists, and other visitors to our shores to reassess neglected chapters of Australia’s early history. Brodie turns the narratives of ‘exploration’ and ‘discovery’ around to take a closer look at the indigenous peoples, the broader regional scene, and what these encounters collectively tell. This is the sweeping story of Greater Australasia and its peoples, a long-overdue challenge to the myth that Australia’s story started in 1788.
Really interesting book that presents the information in a dispassionate way, avoiding the majority of the emotion and hyperbole that often surrounds books and articles that take on this topic.

All Australians should read this book, just because it is a history that we very rarely hear or learn.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2019, 09:18:22 PM
(https://d1ldy8a769gy68.cloudfront.net/180/978/019/068/271/2/9780190682712.jpg)

The history part of this, especially the inside Congress stuff is pretty great. (He was a senior aide on the Church Committee and sometime there after.) But some of the analysis is kinda odd, first it seems really like it's articles taped together, which is common for academic books but normally they're better edited because this is really looked out for, second he really puts too much faith in Congress, okay, the Senate, okay, Democrats to do proper oversight of the intelligence agencies. (The other two branches might as well not exist in his model's terms of exercising their own powers of restraint on the agencies. Which, fine, but it doesn't stop him from saying their interests should always be considered independently valid from said agencies by Congress...which what?) Lastly, whole parts of the book seem like it's just him reminiscing about the time he worked for Congress and got to talk to all kinds of important CIA type people and have literally nothing to do with the rest of the chapter.

Also, I think he's pretty much saying he thinks Snowden is a Russian agent because "it's well known there are protections for legitimate whistleblowers." Which is, kinda, way to miss the point buddy.

Here's the CIA's review of the book: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol-62-no-3/spy-watching.html
Quote from: The CIA
This discourse gives Spy Watching, in its eye-straining nine point font, a dense, meandering feel. The overview of the IC adds little to what is already known, while other parts of Spy Watching read like a memoir or a collection of lecture notes.
Quote from: The CIA
For example, the book includes a chart supposedly depicting the ebb and flow in covert actions from 1947 to 2015 (335) While it suggests ups and downs, the chart provides no insight on the number of CA programs—the Y axis ranges from “low” to “high” with no values in between—their cost, the number of people involved, or how many violated US law or were inappropriate missions.
Quote from: The CIA
At the same time, the approach would be likely to signal a sharp increase in partisanship on intelligence activities, which I think could have chilling effects on IC cooperation with Congress.
Quote from: The CIA
Johnson also seems to have ignored that we already have the President Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and its advisory committee on IC oversight that serves to advise the president.
I did not write this review for the CIA. The text does not strain my eyes at all. :doge
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Post by: Crash Dummy on April 23, 2019, 05:34:19 AM
still working my way through passion of the western mind but finding if i read it for hours i completely forget what i read at the start so alternating between that and now this:
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1519082992l/38212112.jpg)
a well written apolitical analysis that is more a broader social critique than psychiatric. it's also appealing to my inner obnoxious child who thinks he is smarter than everyone else in that there's plenty of outrage and pointing out problems without really suggesting any solutions (but the fun for me is applying his writing, especially on companies and bureaucracies, to my own everyday experiences at a US corporation and the behavior displayed by management)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 23, 2019, 08:46:26 PM
 John Langan's the Fisherman.  Halfway through and I can't put it down. 
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Post by: chronovore on April 24, 2019, 12:41:51 AM
John Langan's the Fisherman.  Halfway through and I can't put it down.

I was about to tease you with, "Then how are you typing this post?" and realized that the lack of misspellings means that you likely used speech-to-text.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 24, 2019, 01:02:31 AM
I can type one handed and read one eyed.
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Post by: shosta on April 24, 2019, 01:05:30 AM
developing his skill over years of careful masturbation, arvie posses hand-eye dexterity unparalleled in the entire toronto metropolitan region
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 24, 2019, 03:47:45 AM
Haruki Murakami's Killing Commendatore.
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Post by: Vizzys on April 24, 2019, 07:45:13 AM
been reading the lightbringer series by Brent weeks

its a series of fantasy novels with a system of magic based on the color spectrum of light. basically if some people see a color of light they can craft stuff with it but at the cost of lifespan.
theirs this religion around light and stuff.  the morality of the various POV characters is questionable. Like one character saves a bunch of people but he also tortures his brother and owns slaves. And the bad guys goal is to free slaves even though he has to kill a bunch of religiously indoctrinated people to do it

its like 4am so im explaining it poorly but Its definitely on par quality wise as sanderson or rothfuss fantasy writing
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 24, 2019, 12:40:46 PM
developing his skill over years of careful masturbation, arvie posses hand-eye dexterity unparalleled in the entire toronto metropolitan region

I took regionals by storm but a badly placed stoke resulted in an injury that meant my dream of nationals would forever be a dream. 
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Post by: shosta on April 24, 2019, 11:59:57 PM
glen keeps trying to get me to read hyperion and I finally found something that convinced me to get started

(https://preview.redd.it/ttb5txl4s6u21.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2129ac194a44679430df15f65e1d56f78930cfe4)
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Post by: Transhuman on April 25, 2019, 01:27:25 AM
I didn't realise Tiamat's Wrath was out already and I feel like an idiot for not reading it a month ago
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Post by: Potato on April 25, 2019, 06:45:31 AM
glen keeps trying to get me to read hyperion and I finally found something that convinced me to get started

(https://preview.redd.it/ttb5txl4s6u21.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2129ac194a44679430df15f65e1d56f78930cfe4)
Hyperion is genuinely great and you should read it.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2019, 09:41:58 PM
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1533137062l/37966379.jpg)

one of them oral history/interview books (where it's minimal original writing, the content is all from involved subjects like the SNL/ESPN/MTV/etc. books) in semi-chronological but primarily topically organized, so like it'll start talking about the Celtics dynasty as that was early in the NBA but then cover a bit broader than that to talk about Red and Russell and Cousy a bit, it tries to cover the women's game semi-equally (and tries to compare it to racial issues) but like always it comes off as trying to push it too hard like literally asking the women and only women interviewees what they think about Title IX and all of them have some rote "uh yeah, it was good I guess" reply, but like all Nancy Lieberman wants to do is talk about all the men she idolized growing up and tried to steal moves from lol

Spensie Haywood is amazing, his stories are just absurd, I knew he was a "young, dumb, country boy" that fascinated others early on but not this much... also speaking of Lieberman, her stories are fun too because she's a little older than even like Cheryl Miller or whatever, she went to Rucker Park alone as an eleven year old because she heard that's where people played basketball in NYC and when kids were giving her shit for being a girl she asked them if "you Rucker?" and it always worked

lmao, the ABA wanted to patent/trademark the red, white and blue ball only they only did it with the ABA logo on it, anyone could still make a ball just couldn't stamp ABA on it, also they did no tests before hand, the first game they just painted a ball with regular paint

big chunk of the book is an ABA section because a huge chunk of the sources are people who had ABA roots, also related to that the now retired David Stern for the first time kinda actually admits what the NBA was doing in regards to that and other issues (Connie Hawkins, etc.) when he was just a lowly lawyer for the league, he didn't used to like to admit any of that when he was Commissioner and lifted up Larry O'Brien to heights

by comparison the entire section about the WNBA is five pages long...three if you remove Stern and Val Ackerman's comments about how amazing it was to start it... :doge

also Bill Simmons is one of the interviewees because he's Bill Simmons and apparently that's legally required now even though he only has the same five stories about seeing the Celtics as a kid that he's told for twenty years, also he's the only person in the book to shit talk Wilt while like Bill Russell calls him the best player ever, others talk about how nice and understanding Wilt was to everyone or Larry Brown relays a story about when he was at UCLA and Wilt was in one of Magic's famous pickup games and Magic kept calling goaltends and fouls that Wilt did not feel were entirely accurate so Wilt got serious and wrecked everybody at age 45 or whatever and I may have fused that part of Simmons unnecessary contributions to the book to this simply to retell that story

here's Nancy Lieberman and Rashad McCants (edit: yes, I looked this up obv) on the Mavs D-League Team when she coached it :doge
(https://www.nba.com/dam/assets/150731095722-nancy-lieberman-texas-legends-v-austin-toros.home-t1.jpeg)

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Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 27, 2019, 04:29:48 AM
De tolk van Java by Alfred Birney

It's about a Dutch-Indonesian family during and after the second world war.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2019, 02:12:15 AM
Quote from: Larry Bird, on Magic's HIV 27 years later
I'm glad he's doing well, but now I'm stuck with him. First thing everyone still asks me is, "How's Magic?"
:dead
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 29, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
The Age of... series is generally seen as his magnum opus, if you want a straightforward, long-duree, global history, that’s probably your best bet with him. The Invention of Tradition is at least as important to modern historiography though, and it’s a nice primer on anti-realism wrt folk cultural/social categories, a project I’m not unsympathetic towards.

Humanities/social sciences moved away from orthodox/political Marxism pretty hard starting in the 70s and esp. in the 80s and 90s and hobsbawm -to my knowledge- is a part of that old guard. His works, esp. the above two, get assimilated into and/or put into dialogue with later work that has a more nebulous, stapled together idea of its leftward politics (cf. Mann’s Sources of Social Power).
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Post by: Svejk on April 29, 2019, 02:01:12 PM
On the second book of the Mistborn trilogy.  Man, these books would make such a great video game!
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Post by: chronovore on April 30, 2019, 06:55:55 AM
On the second book of the Mistborn trilogy.  Man, these books would make such a great video game!

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/08/05/mistborn-rpg-cancelled/

 :-\
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Post by: BisMarckie on April 30, 2019, 07:55:00 AM
Started The Possibility of an Island last night. I have never read anything Houellebecq has written and everything I have heard about his novels ranges from genius to boring pseudo intellectual garbage.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on May 01, 2019, 01:29:20 AM
any good secondary texts on heidegger? all his german terminology is doing my head in
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 01, 2019, 09:58:23 PM
Read the framing store to books of blood.  Damn.  Going to start reading that and Kings of the Wyld.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 02, 2019, 12:06:20 AM
10% in and Kings of the Wyld is both hilarious and touching.  "In stories, when a giant was slain, it toppled thunderously to the ground.   In reality, a giant died much the same way anything else did: screaming and shitting itself." 

It's set in a world where mercenary 'bands'  are treated like rock-stars.  Here the synopses  "Clay Cooper and his band were once the best of the best -- the meanest, dirtiest, most feared crew of mercenaries this side of the Heartwyld. Their glory days long past, the mercs have grown apart and grown old, fat, drunk - or a combination of the three. Then an ex-bandmate turns up at Clay's door with a plea for help. His daughter Rose is trapped in a city besieged by an enemy one hundred thousand strong and hungry for blood. Rescuing Rose is the kind of mission that only the very brave or the very stupid would sign up for. It's time to get the band back together for one last tour across the Wyld"--
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 03, 2019, 09:16:26 PM
Kings of the Wyld was super fun. 

"At his shoulder walks a sorcerer, a cosmic conversationalist. Enemy of the incurable rot, absent chairman of combustive sciences at the university in Oddsford, and the only living soul above the age of eight to believe in owlbears."

"The entire front of the shrine exploded outward. Blocks of stone rained down on the plaza, bursting on impact into spinning shrapnel shards, and a dragon—a real live you-gotta-be-shitting-me dragon—came roaring from the ruin."

"We will speak of this later, his lower back promised. Oh yes we will."

"Behind him in the empty courtyard, the stones of a distant shore were piled neatly on the man’s grave. Because even a misspent life, he reasoned, was worth remembering."

"The mercenary murmured scant thanks and rushed off, only to be crushed a moment later by a giant’s pounding foot. Bob’s bard turned and fled, wailing and clutching his harp to his chest like a scholar saving a single book from a burning library."
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 07, 2019, 10:46:54 PM
Bloody Rose wasn't as good as King's of the Wyld but a good sequel non-the-less and I'm looking forward to the next one.   

"Some people knew how to kill a conversation. Cura, on the other hand, could make it wish it had never been born."

"Tam scowled. “They eat bananas?” Moog shrugged his bony shoulders. “Everything eats bananas.”

“This doesn’t mean you’re off the hook when it comes to being our bard. If I so much as step on a lizard you’d better tell the world I kicked a dragon to death. Sound good?”

"The Giantsbane frontman hurled the chicken down and stomped it to death while the crowd cried foul."
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 11, 2019, 10:30:48 PM
Finally started The Black Company after putting it off for years.  Did the first five chapters today.  It's very different.  I like it a lot so far.
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Post by: Potato on May 12, 2019, 01:23:48 AM
Finally started The Black Company after putting it off for years.  Did the first five chapters today.  It's very different.  I like it a lot so far.

The Black Company is pretty amazing. I've read the first three and enjoyed every bit of it.

I didn't go further cause I read that the quality drops off after that and honestly, the ending of the third is pretty satisfying as a conclusion.

I've moved on to The Hogfather. I've been slowly going through Pratchett's Discworld and he just gets better with every book.

So sad he's gone.
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Post by: chronovore on May 20, 2019, 12:39:10 AM
Finally started The Black Company after putting it off for years.  Did the first five chapters today.  It's very different.  I like it a lot so far.

The Black Company is pretty amazing. I've read the first three and enjoyed every bit of it.

I didn't go further cause I read that the quality drops off after that and honestly, the ending of the third is pretty satisfying as a conclusion.

I've moved on to The Hogfather. I've been slowly going through Pratchett's Discworld and he just gets better with every book.

So sad he's gone.

I just finished reading his Wintersmith YA book. I honestly didn't know it was supposed to be YA until the closing voiceover said something about Harper Kids and "if you are interested in Young Adult Fiction, please visit..." :lol I found myself laughing aloud repeatedly throughout the book.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 22, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
Wintersmith is also part 3 in the Tiffany Aching sub-series.
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Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2019, 11:53:22 AM
do you want just Napoleon or just France or Europe or something global? focus on the war?

on the subject of France, I just read this, which was fun, just fantastically written, I'm surprised somebody didn't think to put "From Gaul to de Gualle" as the subtitle:
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1523734942l/38821260.jpg)
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Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2019, 11:53:50 AM
lmao, holy shit, it actually has that on another edition:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTTVd5d2LsVGyryJYYR3k_GAfQTszcrPqb6Hesxl5ukkCzK32V8)

 :dead :dead :dead :dead
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Post by: shosta on May 24, 2019, 12:13:49 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Napoleon-Political-Life-Steven-Englund/dp/0674018036#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div

Napoleon's theory and practice of governance. Aka a history of Napoleonic France without the wars, as an inheritor of the revolution and the prelude to Bourbon Restoration.
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Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2019, 01:20:01 PM
If you want to back up somewhat to the Revolution itself and the conditions it created (the eventual vacuum of which is arguably what created Napoleon's reign), these two are pretty good for that (first one is more modern 2016, latter is 1989), both stop just before Napoleon iirc, so you can get the state of France before Napoleon triumphed in Italy and the Directorate fell:
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Both examine the conditions of citizens outside of Paris, especially the former delves into what was happening throughout the still rural and religious France and what eventually brought about the War in Vendee when the Paris-focused Revolution ignored that whole part where they should do more than send out broad statements like "ALL THE LAND IS NOW FREE, END THE CHURCH" and expect it to just be handled. Also what happened when they expected their draft calls for the war with Austria/etc. to be handled similarly. (Too much editorializing about the Revolution beyond the book itself, benji -Ed)

edit: scrounged up the two Napoleonic Wars books I was thinking of:
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second one does less war focus and more impact of the war on everything else, especially back home, focus

Penguin's done a great "History of Europe" multi-part series that last few years, but they stupidly lumped 1648-1815 together as "The Age of Revolutions" even though they also put out books for 1919-1939 and 1950-2007, otherwise they would have put together a smart 1789-1815 book that'd be just what you wanted based on at least the ones they have put out in the rest of the series. (You'll also note that the 1848 revolutions are not part of the "age of revolutions" apparently.)
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Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2019, 09:45:10 PM
Wintersmith is also part 3 in the Tiffany Aching sub-series.

Ooh, thanks! I had ZERO inkling that this is part of a series. Didn't even think to look.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 04, 2019, 01:13:07 AM
Up to book six in Dresden Files audio books.  So damn good. 
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Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2019, 01:48:02 AM
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Quote from: Allan Pinkerton
It was this class, and no other, that precipitated riot and bloodshed in Chicago, and it is a notable fact in connection with these communists, that their viciousness and desperation were largely caused by the rantings of a young American communist named Albert Parsons Karakand. [Kara posses] a strange nature in every respect, as he has for several years lived in Chicago with a colored woman, who he has at least called his wife. He is a young man of flippant tongue, and is capable of making a speech that will tingle the blood of that class of characterless rascals that are always standing ready to grasp society by the throat; and while he can excite his auditors, of this class, to the very verge of riot, has the devilish ingenuity in the use of words which has permitted himself to escape deserving punishment.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on June 05, 2019, 04:13:47 AM
Reading a book about the Red Dead Redemption 2 bad guys? 

What a nerd!
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Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2019, 12:36:57 PM
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It may be "Privilege: The Book," but some of the stuff seems to be landing and helping my anxiety. Or it's a placebo, but at what point does a placebo become treatment? :thinking

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Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2019, 06:30:31 AM
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another oral history, seems like it may try to encompass too much, for example I don't think there need to be three chapters on things related to Wired, but the author having worked there thinks differently
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Post by: Transhuman on June 06, 2019, 07:43:04 AM
Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI

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One of the few times i've read a non-fiction book and had to keep checking online to see if the stuff had actually happened. Just insane.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 12:08:33 AM
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I like Schweizer's earlier books quite a bit, Clinton Cash was too targeted (especially to hit the racks during the election) and flimsy and boring really, but his earlier stuff was less targeted. I don't mean that in a he managed "both sides" way, which he did but it was less because it was intentional. More it was he was looking at a certain issue, say Congress members trading stock based on legislative knowledge, and he hit on whoever was doing it. In that case, Nancy Pelosi got hit because her husband had made some of the larger credit card trades. When he focused on how the parties require their members to spend 40% of their time fundraising, it was mostly all about Republicans because they were in power and especially in the House that's everything. (Recently, I've seen Pelosi and the Democrats get criticized for this from left outlets just discovering the practice.)

So hopefully this is more a return to form than the Clinton book was. Just from the chapters and pictures he has as much about Biden and Kerry as McConnell/Chao and the Kushners. From the stuff so far, I think the only reason Hastert isn't on the cover is because nobody knows who he is and also he's a bit more known for... other things... now. He also is taking care of his new Fox audience by right off the bat explaining to them that while China may be full of official Communists, that you should think of them as regular businessmen rather than Marxist ideologues. He also compares the Trump Organization to the Princelings and guanxi.

Lastly, regarding the rest of Valley of Genius, I quite liked that overall. Especially the chapter on Twitter where they are all explaining how they and especially other people aren't sure if it's an idea that will go anywhere, interspersed with @RealDonaldTrump tweets. :lol

I still think it would probably work better as multiple books. It doesn't cover Microsoft at all, which okay, they're not in the Valley, but they loom large over it. You wouldn't even know what Oracle is for example or why Larry Ellison is mentioned so many times by people in the book except for the fact that he lived near Steve Jobs. The book also goes from Atari and Apple to WIRED MAGAZINE to the internet to the iPhone. The Internet really should have been a second book, so they could flesh both it and the earlier stuff out better. I mean in this book, Netscape has a huge IPO (why? uh...) then the dot-com bust happens, but eBay is okay! Then Google and Facebook happen and then Steve Jobs dies and we get Twitter. That's the whole story of The Internet in this book. And half of it is taken up with space for Steve Jobs to single handedly create the iPod and then iPhone thanks to reading Wired Magazine's glossy page spreads.

I still liked it, because I like all these oral history books, but some of them aren't doing proper scope checking. The scope of SNL/ESPN/MTV/Food Network fits within a book. Basketball history (not just professional), especially when you're force feeding chapters on diversity just to have them, and SILICON VALLEY'S ENTIRE HISTORY are way beyond the scope, so you shouldn't even try. Scale it back and focus. The guy who wrote this Silicon Valley book says he spent like six years gathering the material, and I have to assume 80% of it got edited out of the book in the end because he tried to cram all the events into one book without realizing he should have been keeping more of the material. The SNL book for example works so well because you have the original SNL team, the utter collapse of the show, the return of Lorne with Eddie Murphy, the 90s rebirth team with Farley, etc. and then an endgame of the team in Tina Fey, etc. getting big beyond SNL. (Jimmy Fallon's not yet ascent to the Tonight Show would have been an ideal capper for that book.) Plus there's only so much they can say about it. You don't want anecdotes from everyone about the crunch process of getting a live show prepared for Saturday Night, you only needed the chapter on that process once. When it comes to say tech, if someone isn't familiar with something, like Xerox PARC, you spend a lot of time telling them what it is. And you have to assume that across nearly everything. The chapter on Napster would be incomprehensible to anyone who wasn't there using it and experienced that whole rise and fall as a user. (Extra hilarious about that is lots of people point out that Napster effectively led to the iPod/iTunes, one person actually mentions KaZaA, Morpheus, etc. But what's not mentioned at all? BitTorrent. The technology that achieved what Napster or any of those other services couldn't inherently. The official company is even in the Valley ffs!)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 12, 2019, 12:17:24 AM
Read the first half of the first murderbot novella.  Its been amazing so far.  Its about a socially awkward cyborg murder bot that has disabled its own governance system -- inplace to prevent it from going on a mass murdering spree -- so that it can binge watch tv while on the job. 

Opening is

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I could have become a mass murderer after I hacked my governor module, but then I realized I could access the combined feed of entertainment channels carried on the company satellites. It had been well over 35,000 hours or so since then, with still not much murdering, but probably, I don't know, a little under 35,000 hours of movies, serials, books, plays and music consumed. As a heartless killing machine, I was a terrible failure.


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Yes, talk to Murderbot about its feelings. The idea was so painful I dropped to 97 percent efficiency.

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The whole group had been remarkably drama-free so far, which I appreciated. The last few contracts had been like being an involuntary bystander in one of the entertainment feed’s multi-partner relationship serials except I’d hated the whole cast.

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She’s a really good commander. I’m going to hack her file and put that in.


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Post by: Potato on June 12, 2019, 12:31:35 AM
I'm reading that too. Been pretty interesting so far. I think I am about 1/3rd of the way through.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 16, 2019, 12:29:17 AM
I enjoyed the second murderbot novella as well. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 18, 2019, 01:19:24 AM
Murderbot 3 and 4 were excellent as well.  Looks like a full novel will be coming next year.  Can't wait.  I'd really love for this to be turned into a netflix series. 
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Post by: shosta on June 19, 2019, 03:36:57 PM
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Post by: Potato on June 22, 2019, 04:06:52 PM
I'm on the second murderbot. I agree it would make good tv although the internal monologues would be tricky.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 22, 2019, 07:38:29 PM
Ya, think it could be voice over or maybe do those shots in first person with text overlay on the screen.

The second was the weakest of the four. 

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I really wanted them to ham up ART my fair ladying Murderbot. 
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Post by: Potato on June 26, 2019, 03:02:30 AM
Taking a break from murderbot.

Just starting The Obelisk Gate by NK Jemison.

Thought the first book was ok. Not great and certainly not worthy of the absolute gushing praise that it got, but at least worthy of giving the second book a chance.

Now I just need to remember who all the characters are and what happened in the first one.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on June 30, 2019, 11:19:55 AM
The collected poetry of J. Slauerhoff.
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Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 08:08:06 PM
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Je m'en vais, mais l'Etat demurera toujours? :maf
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 09, 2019, 10:37:18 PM
It’s a collection of bunch of op-Ed pieces he’d been doing for a decade and a half. I haven’t read the new edition, the talk surrounding it was that it shifted focus: the first edition is interested in bush administration war on terror stuff and the second is about the Donald’s valorization of the marketplace and nativism
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 10, 2019, 12:10:40 AM
What I like so far: the deconstruction of Burke and his legacy. I knew he existed and was influential, but man from a critical standpoint his views seem to embody the "bootlicker" stereotype that brocialists have of reactionaries. I feel like actually reading something of his now for shits and giggles.
Reflections is what everyone reads and is probably your best bet. Enquiry...Sublime and the Beautiful is important and interesting too. Those two are pretty much it in terms of philosophical work he did, everything else is first order, low to the ground stuff like parliamentary speeches and correspondence.

That’s the same as the de Maistre chapter, right? You also might be interested in looking at his Considerations on France cuz that guy was a fucking PSYCHO and reading him/about him is super fun. Robins reading is practically copy and pasted from Isaiah Berlin’s classic article on de Maistre that I’m p sure you can find a pdf of using Google fu. Berlins great but nowadays de maistre isn’t generally seen as the kind of proto-fash Berlin made him out to be.

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What I don't like so far: all the David Brooks quotes, who I think of as a bad, projecting take machine rather than a true pillar of American conservative ideology
this is the beauty of David brooks though. He dispenses middle-highbrow matter-of-fact common sense to a country that doesn’t give a shit about intellectualism. He’s like the Roger Ebert of politics, you need him so you can take the pulse of his milieu.
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Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2019, 01:33:20 AM
that hagiography of Louis XIV was even worse than I thought, about 75% of it was about his mistresses, how sexy they were and how much they loved him

but the main thing I discovered is like half the court of 17th Century France was killed through bleeding, Louis got lucky in that he was allergic to one of the herbs or whatever they used, he dislocated an elbow falling off a horse and they were going to fucking bleed him to cure it except for this so they just had wrapped it by happenstance, then put it in plaster after it stopped swelling and he was fine

something similar was going to happen to his mom, the once Queen, when she was sick with a flu or something but when they called the local doctor to supervise he said "bleeding was horseshit, you royal people are nuts" and gave her some herbs and she lived another twenty years

edit: wanted to add this, the "vapors" was apparently something Louis got, and then it became popular at the court to have the "vapors" lol old timey people were so dumb, people today would never fake illnesses for social position
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Post by: chronovore on July 17, 2019, 03:47:15 AM
Reading A Spark of White Light, an SF novel.

Re-reading John Dies at the End, a horror comedy novel, which is still unsettling and hilarious.
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Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2019, 06:39:42 AM
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Nixon was distrusted by many conservative media figures .... but ... Watergate made Nixon more popular among many movement conservatives ... [they believed] that liberals were using Watergate as a pretense to reverse the results of the 1972 election.
:trumps
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 20, 2019, 07:42:46 AM
Wide Sargasso Sea  by  Jean Rhys
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Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2019, 08:08:57 PM
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A darkly humorous tour of "dictator literature" in the twentieth century, featuring the soul-killing prose and poetry of Hitler, Mao, and many more, which shows how books have sometimes shaped the world for the worse

Since the days of the Roman Empire dictators have written books. But in the twentieth-century despots enjoyed unprecedented print runs to (literally) captive audiences. The titans of the genre—Stalin, Mussolini, and Khomeini among them—produced theoretical works, spiritual manifestos, poetry, memoirs, and even the occasional romance novel and established a literary tradition of boundless tedium that continues to this day.

How did the production of literature become central to the running of regimes? What do these books reveal about the dictatorial soul? And how can books and literacy, most often viewed as inherently positive, cause immense and lasting harm? Putting daunting research to revelatory use, Daniel Kalder asks and brilliantly answers these questions.

Marshalled upon the beleaguered shelves of The Infernal Library are the books and commissioned works of the century’s most notorious figures. Their words led to the deaths of millions. Their conviction in the significance of their own thoughts brooked no argument. It is perhaps no wonder then, as Kalder argues, that many dictators began their careers as writers.
:awesome
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Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2019, 08:32:31 PM
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Me am smart now rite :)
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 30, 2019, 03:27:31 PM
Reading middle-dutch literature.

I love how subtle some of these plays from the middle ages are. Guy gets cucked by wife, proceeds to beat her to death with a stick. *insert some epilogue about the moral*
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Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2019, 03:44:18 AM
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Mattel, Inc. is the maker of Barbie dolls and the former employer of Carter Bryant, who left Mattel to join MGA, maker of Bratz dolls. Mattel alleged that Bryant breached a confidentiality and inventions agreement by taking his ideas for the Bratz dolls, which he developed while employed by Mattel, to MGA. A jury found in favor of Mattel and the court issued an injunction barring MGA from selling most of its Bratz dolls.

MGA appealed and the Ninth Circuit reversed, based on erroneous jury instructions and an overbroad injunction. The district court granted MGA’s motion for a new trial. In this decision, the court addressed, among other things, the issue of whether the confidentiality agreement covered ideas; whether Bryant’s sketches and sculpts are substantially similar to the first and subsequent generations of Bratz dolls; and whether MGA misappropriated Mattel’s trade secrets.

Mattel’s “Employee Confidential and Inventions Agreement” required Bryant to communicate to Mattel “all inventions . . . conceived or reduced to practice by me (alone or jointly with others) at any time during my employment with [Mattel].” It also assigned to Mattel any rights, title and interest Bryant had in such inventions, which the agreement defined as “includ[ing], but [] not limited to, all discoveries, improvements, processes, developments, designs, knowhow, data computer programs, and formulae, whether patentable or unpatentable.” The agreement did not include the word “ideas”.
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Mattel executives later asserted in court that it was impossible for a place like Kickapoo High School to inspire anything as hip as Barbie's competitor, Braztz ... the principal of Kickapoo High School would fly to California to testify .. that her teenagers knew how to have fun; that they were tuned into pop culture ... MGA attorney's would bring evidence that Kickapoo High School had Brad Pitt as an alum

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Lobel expertly explains, much turned on MGA’s lawyer Jennifer Keller’s questioning of the Mattel C.E.O., Robert Eckert.

“Say I am eighteen, doodling away. I place my doodles in my parents’ house in one of the drawers of my teen-age closet,” Keller said. “Twenty years later, I am hired by Mattel. I visit my parents’ home and find the doodles. Does Mattel own them?”

“Yes,” Eckert said. “Probably, yes.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tdApMlrrMw
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Post by: tiesto on August 18, 2019, 11:19:22 AM
I'm much more interested in CRPGs from a historical basis than trying to play through them so something like this is perfect for me. Beautiful hardcover, full color pages.

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Post by: Potato on August 18, 2019, 10:52:30 PM
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I love Scott Lynch's world.

I've read a lot of fantasy and like most people I am sick to death of mediaeval-style worlds.

His characters are well formed and usually steer clear of becoming too much of a Mary Sue, even if Locke is a little too good at everything.

He had a very fast-paced writing style too which I like.
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Post by: chronovore on August 18, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
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I love Scott Lynch's world.

I've read a lot of fantasy and like most people I am sick to death of mediaeval-style worlds.

His characters are well formed and usually steer clear of becoming too much of a Mary Sue, even if Locke is a little too good at everything.

He had a very fast-paced writing style too which I like.

Other than your over-broad use of "Mary Sue," I agree with your post. Lynch's world is wonderful, and I can't wait for the next book.
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Post by: Potato on August 21, 2019, 09:50:18 PM
Point taken. Compared to some others, Lynch's characters are very much not Mary Sues, but still, Locke is a little too good at being Locke. Doesn't mean I don't love reading his stories though.
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Post by: OnlyRegret on August 22, 2019, 12:26:35 AM
I intend to start reading actual books again
Sometime soon
This post is testament to that
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Post by: Potato on August 22, 2019, 12:45:40 AM
I intend to start reading actual books again
Sometime soon
This post is testament to that
What will you forfeit if you don't follow through?
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Post by: shosta on August 22, 2019, 12:54:04 AM
I agree, we need to set a measurable goal, a hard deadline, and specific consequences for failure.

OnlyRegret, if you don't read three whole novels over the next month, you have to post your dick in this thread (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46306.0).
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Post by: OnlyRegret on August 22, 2019, 02:19:48 AM
I intend to start reading actual books again
Sometime soon
This post is testament to that
What will you forfeit if you don't follow through?

penance in likes
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Post by: Potato on August 22, 2019, 05:52:49 AM
I liked the old 50/50 threads on GAF, but wouldn't be keen to commit to that number of books again. My goal on Good Reads is for 20 a year.
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Post by: NekoFever on August 22, 2019, 06:03:44 AM
I found having a target like that just turns reading into a chore, and when I was doing it (I did a book a week challenge one year) I found myself purposely going for shorter books to get my numbers up. I can comfortably read ~30 books in a year without worrying about how I'll make up the time if I want to read some 1,200 page brick, which is much better for my sanity.

I'm on 21 for the year with Goodreads at the moment, so 30-ish by December sounds about right.
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Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2019, 11:25:59 AM
Brief Answers to the Big Questions  :brain
from Stephen Hawking

Both very inspirational and insightful. Not bad for a cripple.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2019, 04:43:07 PM
I'm at 31 for the year according to Goodreads, that's seems low... but I guess last year was only 40 and 2017 was 38 and I didn't keep track before that.

didn't count all the gobs of collected comics/etc.
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Post by: OnlyRegret on August 22, 2019, 10:12:03 PM
dropped by a library.
selection sucked, books looked boring.

was considering checking out a DVD/Blu-ray of something, they have a a section for that, but decided against that and found out they have an e-library to check things out from. I'll try that.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 30, 2019, 06:02:27 AM
3am and just finished Sanderson’s Elantris after taking a few months. Took me like 3 months to get through the first 300 pages which were good but the POV hopping killed the pacing, then a little after halfway the PoVs come together and I finished it in like 3 nights.

It’s a good book, with an interesting story and likeable characters but man does the ending feel rushed. Like whole book is setting up all this stuff and then everything happens in the last 75 pages. Also a lot of mysteries left unexplained or under explained. So not 100% satisfying.

I need to re-read the Emperor’s Soul novella which takes place in the same world because I feel like there wasn’t much of a connection and was hoping they’d be more related.

I’m definitely interested in this whole Cosmere business but I’m kinda hesitant about starting the big mainline one since it’s only at book 3/10. Probably read the other standalone one Oathbreaker I think it’s called next and then the second Mistborn trilogy.
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Post by: Potato on August 30, 2019, 03:49:18 PM
Yeah, Elantris kinda sucked compared to his other work.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2019, 11:01:43 PM
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also this was in the new books, I opened it to two random pages and one was talking about racial SAT scores and the other had a quote from Rorschach in Watchmen, so I got it because I'm gross (and Jonah used to be funny like 15 years ago), but then I found out it's from April 2018 :maf

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As what I consider a "common-sense liberal" (I strongly oppose reckless federal gov't spending & overreach but support what I consider basic rights like gender and sexuality equality, use & research of "illicit" drugs, employee rights over employer rights, etc.) who actively seeks various prospective in order to form my own well-rounded opinion, is this book, or this author, worth the read?
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I'm a moderate who leans a bit to the left, and I thought the book was brilliant and hardly incoherent. There are parts I disagree with and parts I agree with. Goldberg is smart, and his ideas should be taken seriously, even if you don't agree with them.

JerryDeanHalleck
The book is not worth reading. I was surprised at how bad it was. His grasp of history is superficial and the whole thing reads like it was dictated in his spare time.

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Yes,Goldberg does an excellent job of putting into perspective the reasons for divisiveness in current day politics .well researched and well written.
:doge :brain
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Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2019, 02:04:35 AM
As I've started the Goldberg book, I want to make just a slight comment based on my prior one, regarding the racial SAT scores, seeing them out of context I assumed some kind of Quillette argument, it's not, it's actually nothing of the sort. I won't go so far as to say it's the complete opposite, but he was actually using it in the context of how people draw conclusions from certain groups by comparing them to whites while never considering the "average" of whites to apply individually to any individual white person. (Let alone the fact that we basically never break down whites into sub categories on these things.) The specific usage of the SAT scores was to point out what he finds as the illogic of affirmative action for doing this very thing, which while a typical POV, was not surprising or new for Goldberg as him buying completely into the whole SAT/IQ/Quillette argument would have been and initially made me wonder if he had totally gone mad due to Trump.

I do have two other further comments though from what I have read. First of all, he yet again says he could never be a libertarian because they "fail to appreciate that there are social benefits to the state's monopoly on violence." You're not supposed to do it that way, you're supposed to admit you're a libertarian and claim Nock and the others aren't TRUE libertarians. Come on Jonah, just admit it finally, Ron Paul loves God too if that's still your hangup. (Also according to what I read on reason.com recently, neo-conservatives took over the LP in 2016 and you used to sorta like them!)

Second, filler must have had this book before me. In one section, Jonah is listing historical groups against groups, "Catholics vs. Protestants, rural vs. city" and so on, and one he lists is "everyone vs. the Jews" and someone... SOMEONE... crossed that one out and wrote "OH, PLEASE!" with a red pen.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on September 09, 2019, 02:09:56 AM
I agree, we need to set a measurable goal, a hard deadline, and specific consequences for failure.

OnlyRegret, if you don't read three whole novels over the next month, you have to post your dick in this thread (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46306.0).
what's on the bore reading list?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 11, 2019, 08:42:47 PM
I’ve been going through the Oxford History of the United States (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_History_of_the_United_States) series over the past few weeks. Anybody read em?
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Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 08:53:01 PM
I have not, I have as noted earlier read (unintentionally) many parts of Penguin's similarly ongoing and to date unfinished "History of Europe" series.

I find I tend to shy away from more general histories of the United States though.

The historiography as presented on the wiki for that is interesting though. Took thirty years to finally start, then another twenty years to basically get beyond two books, in part because they kicked out a book after getting it. Also they had to again find alive people to write them.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 11, 2019, 09:08:38 PM
Also they had to again find alive people to write them.
this is the best part :lol

but fwiw, the guys who didn’t die mid-way through their assignment are all huge names*. Thought the first one was barely above trash but the next three were all p good. But again, I really wouldn’t know how to judge them because I haven’t read any other histories on the us, especially through the first ~50 or so years of the republic.


*www.youtube.com/watch?v=XndjoAsBGr8
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Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 09:26:29 PM
You know, I realized I kinda am a terrible person to judge general histories of the United States since I basically do that as a "living" through more specific works and histories of other places are usually a step removed or so where I only took a couple classes on them formally. :lol

I'm more supportive of narrative histories over multiple books/authors in general than the comparatively more popular People's/Patriot's History market. (Though I think I've noted before that I think it's good that people read either of those even if neither is ideal. Or many of my complaints with either are pretty much nothing to do with the politics.) The main complaint I had with that Penguin series is the dates seem off, the dates for this series at least seems "correct" except for that I would attach Reconstruction to the Civil War probably. I prefer the narrative that ends with the 1876 election, personally. Also the comparative lack of pages in that chronologically last book is kinda weird although it makes sense if you know about how long a lot of those primary records took since we're just recently getting end of Cold War books from them.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on September 12, 2019, 02:51:31 AM
I’ve been going through the Oxford History of the United States (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_History_of_the_United_States) series over the past few weeks. Anybody read em?
how many pages/hours a day to you read?? those are some doorstoppers!
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 12, 2019, 04:03:06 PM
Like 50-80, whatever the page count of two articles/chapters is gonna be. Those books have bibliographies and indices and other administrative stuff in the back so the actual page count isn’t exactly what it says on the tin. Also, I just skip all the descriptions of battles and tactics and maneuvering because all that shit is usually :zzz.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2019, 08:07:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yqjbXd2.jpg)

Pretty dang good. It's got tons of lore, great characters, dense story with lots of action, and plenty of weird stuff. And there's over 30 volumes, so plenty of reading left to do.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2019, 04:28:21 AM
Started reading Sanderson's Warbreaker. Going good so far. I like the color/no color magic system, feels pretty original. Also picked up Stormlight Book 1: Way of Kings to read after.
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Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on September 13, 2019, 05:30:26 AM
I've been re-reading all the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser stories. Just finished The Swords of Lankhmar.

I'm always left in awe of Leiber's writing style. There is nobody more fun to read, even if he sometimes bites off more than he can chew (as with The Swords of Lankhmar, the only novel starring the characters).

The sequence of "In the Witch's Tent" -> "Stardock" -> "The Two Best Thieves in Lankhmar" really blew me away this time. Stardock is currently my favorite of all the stories. I started feeling dizzy from the description of their climb.

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  "And supposing we climb it to the top," the Mouser finally asked, "how do we lift our black-and-blue skeletonized bodies over the brim of Stardock's snowy hat, which seems to outcurve and downcurve most stylishly?"
  "There's a triangular hole in it somewhere called the Needle's Eye," Fafhrd answered negligently. "Or so I've heard. But never you fret, Mouser, we'll find it."
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Post by: Transhuman on September 13, 2019, 06:15:29 AM
Started reading Sanderson's Warbreaker. Going good so far. I like the color/no color magic system, feels pretty original. Also picked up Stormlight Book 1: Way of Kings to read after.

Stormlight is probably better. Reminded me of Ender's Game in a sense
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Post by: Potato on September 13, 2019, 04:35:17 PM
I've been re-reading all the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser stories. Just finished The Swords of Lankhmar.

I'm always left in awe of Leiber's writing style. There is nobody more fun to read, even if he sometimes bites off more than he can chew (as with The Swords of Lankhmar, the only novel starring the characters).

The sequence of "In the Witch's Tent" -> "Stardock" -> "The Two Best Thieves in Lankhmar" really blew me away this time. Stardock is currently my favorite of all the stories. I started feeling dizzy from the description of their climb.

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  "And supposing we climb it to the top," the Mouser finally asked, "how do we lift our black-and-blue skeletonized bodies over the brim of Stardock's snowy hat, which seems to outcurve and downcurve most stylishly?"
  "There's a triangular hole in it somewhere called the Needle's Eye," Fafhrd answered negligently. "Or so I've heard. But never you fret, Mouser, we'll find it."
I've read the first. It's one of those series that I've been meaning to return to but haven't.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 14, 2019, 11:54:13 AM
Got Carl Jung's Man and His Symbols and Memories, Dreams and Reflections from a thrift store. Also got Gunter Wallraff's Ganz Unten there.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on September 14, 2019, 03:17:42 PM
Got Carl Jung's Man and His Symbols and Memories, Dreams and Reflections from a thrift store. Also got Gunter Wallraff's Ganz Unten there.
jung's writings on archetypes are interesting too if you haven't read it; no idea of its present significance in psychiatry but is fun to apply to literature (guess you can say the same for freud at this point?)
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Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2019, 11:37:32 PM
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1556268702l/37976541.jpg)

How Theranos conquered the world and became the most respected and successful company to ever live thanks to the brilliance of Elizabeth Holmes, the female Steve Jobs 2.0.
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Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2019, 12:34:29 AM
Does that book cover her fake-ass voice :lol
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Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2019, 12:42:28 AM
Within the first five pages. The prologue documents how she dropped the endlessly enthusiastic facade and icily told Henry Mosley with a death stare how he "was not a team player anymore" and to leave the building immediately after he expressed that they should no longer fake results when pitching investors if the prototypes were to fail and instead be honest about how they were working out the kinks. (He at the time did not know the extent to the faking, he thought it was only done when the device failed and they called up pre-existing results just for the presentations.)
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Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2019, 12:47:44 AM
The best part so far is that apparently Holmes original original idea was to basically invent the medical tricorder until the engineers she roped in for the start-up told her this was most likely literally impossible in their lifetimes. The blood scanner thing was like the tenth level downgrade they settled on.

Then the impossibly low level of blood required in the samples was based entirely on her and her mother's dislike of seeing blood/needles and not based around how much was needed to be able to read all the shit they wanted from the sample. :lol
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Post by: shosta on September 15, 2019, 04:59:05 AM
Then the impossibly low level of blood required in the samples was based entirely on her and her mother's dislike of seeing blood/needles and not based around how much was needed to be able to read all the shit they wanted from the sample. :lol
It's called a moonshot, Benji. This is the stuff that makes capitalism tick. Next time let's show a little class.
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Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2019, 05:58:58 AM
It's called a moonshot, Benji. This is the stuff that makes capitalism tick. Next time let's show a little class.
This sounds like what I read in that Jonah Goldberg book.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on September 19, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
free baudrillard ebook https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/4436-student-reading-flash-ebook-giveaway
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Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2019, 08:09:46 PM
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1524446353l/38240520.jpg)

Elbridge Gerry was so opposed to putting the Amendments after the Constitution rather than inserting them into the pre-existing text that he declared doing so would make it LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE for FUTURE SCIENTISTS to determine what the Constitution even said. (So he was right? -ed)

This book is a pretty good example of out of control academic writing too. One word is never used when one hundred synonyms can be. The start of every paragraph seemingly repeats the topic of the prior. Even though the entire thing is written in a chronological narrative for the most part! The endnotes are typical worthless style, they're at the end of every paragraph and then list twenty somewhat related things. Like the text paragraphs they also repeat themselves constantly. It's mostly just names of works, lots of "see also" and ten more names. Sorry, it irks me, good footnotes/endnotes are wonderful things.
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Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2019, 09:23:13 PM
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1559495752l/41955661.jpg)

The Karakand Story
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Post by: chronovore on October 01, 2019, 03:13:08 AM
Reading Joe Abercrombie's THE HEROES, a sequel of sorts to the First Law series. I loved the trilogy, but this follow-up is just a bit too violent, grim, and less humorous than First Law. It's an audiobook with a different reader than the trilogy, so that's not helping.
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Post by: shosta on October 01, 2019, 03:52:26 PM
Decided to start rereading my old textbook on ODEs. I feel like finally taking my math further.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 01, 2019, 09:00:43 PM
Joe Hill's 20th Century Ghosts - Pop Art was such a great story.  Googled it and found this

(https://i.redd.it/bgl0nvy30iq01.jpg)
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Post by: Crash Dummy on October 02, 2019, 02:11:46 AM
Decided to start rereading my old textbook on ODEs. I feel like finally taking my math further.
i'm worried if i do this i'll just realise how much of my maths skill has just atrophied :(
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Post by: shosta on October 02, 2019, 02:15:40 AM
don't worry, they have
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Post by: Crash Dummy on October 02, 2019, 03:11:40 AM
don't worry, they have
:fbm

on topic, just started reading medium is the massage by mcluhan
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Post by: shosta on October 02, 2019, 03:13:31 AM
read Postman after that  :wow
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Post by: Crash Dummy on October 02, 2019, 03:29:20 AM
i still have white noise to read!
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Post by: shosta on October 02, 2019, 04:12:27 AM
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Post by: Bebpo on October 03, 2019, 03:03:12 AM
Started reading Sanderson's Warbreaker. Going good so far. I like the color/no color magic system, feels pretty original. Also picked up Stormlight Book 1: Way of Kings to read after.

A good chunk in now and this book is great. So far it's the first Sanderon book I've read that I'd put at A-quality enjoyment. It's a lot lighter than his other stuff I've read and since Sanderson generally writes lighter, happier stories it's fitting his tone better. Honestly feels like just a few cuts more serious than a Princess Bride tone. Sanderson's great at writing charming rapscallion characters, but he usually just has like one and they're one of the main two characters and everyone else is pretty serious. Here almost all the characters and their side characters are pretty charming and funny in different styles of charm & humor and it just works. Like when the talking sword gets scolded for his ideas of getting through situations always just being killing everyone and the sword says something to the effect of "Well, they say stick to what you're good at"

Hoping it doesn't fall apart later on.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on October 03, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
doesn't even have settlers
https://twitter.com/dodreads/status/1179772668159184896 (https://twitter.com/dodreads/status/1179772668159184896)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 03, 2019, 09:09:31 PM
Just under half way through The Troop by Nick Cutter (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17571466-the-troop)- this is good body horror.   
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Post by: Bebpo on October 04, 2019, 12:39:03 AM
One of the book groups I'm in posted a meetup for The Utterly Uninteresting and Unadventurous Tales of Fred, the Vampire Accountant by Drew Hayes and the title sounded fun so I picked it up and read about 20% last night. It's alright. Entertaining but way more YA and less witty/clever than the title suggests. Hopefully it picks up as it goes along.

One thing I don't like is how male nerd wish fulfillment it is, which going by the title it totally should not be. The main guy, though a boring nerd, is in super shape and super powers thanks to being a vampire and the main romance interest is his old nerdy overweight HS friend who just happens to now look like a super model when they reconnect :|
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Post by: kingv on October 04, 2019, 07:59:23 AM
I’ve been reading a Drew Hayes series too, the Swords, spellss, and stealth series.

Basically it’s about people playing a Tabletop game,  except the story is from the perspective of the NPCs who exist in a different world that the players invade as adventurers.

It’s not amazingly well-written, but the story is interesting.

For Drew Hayes books, the audiobook is typically better than the written one, from what I have heard s I think the orator fixes the spelling errors and grammar problems that supposedly fill his books.

Also been reading Artemis by the the dude that wrote The Martian. It’s about a moon colony and I’m liking it a lot more than I expected. I bought it from audible a few months ago and then started listening to it out of a sense of duty, but it’s actually really damn good.

Rosario Dawson is the person reading it, and while she does ok, I feel like she sort of reads it like a teenager.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 04, 2019, 09:05:00 AM
Machiavelli's  Il principe.

Found one of the newer dutch translations at a thrift store.
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Post by: shosta on October 05, 2019, 02:12:00 AM
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1389053831l/386885.jpg)

After I finish the Schumpeter book, of course. Thanks Crash Dummy
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Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2019, 02:49:51 PM
Bought two new books

- Never split the difference, a book about negotiating by a former FBI negotiator
- Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, which I had interest in for quite some time
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2019, 03:51:42 PM
The Troop was really good but didn't like one character and there is a lot of telling instead of showing in the writing but still really good.
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Post by: chronovore on October 10, 2019, 02:13:40 AM
Reading Joe Abercrombie's THE HEROES, a sequel of sorts to the First Law series. I loved the trilogy, but this follow-up is just a bit too violent, grim, and less humorous than First Law. It's an audiobook with a different reader than the trilogy, so that's not helping.

Finishing this. I'm not sure why he wrote it. There's a quote by Robert E Howard that kicks off one of the chapters, along the lines of, "I don't know how much blood, violence, and gore the reader will tolerate." Joe spends a good amount of time searching for that limit. It's a war novel about people with swords and spears. Lots of horrible shit happens. I thought First Law trilogy was dark, but this is nearly senselessly dark.
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Post by: Potato on October 10, 2019, 06:00:04 AM
Reading Joe Abercrombie's THE HEROES, a sequel of sorts to the First Law series. I loved the trilogy, but this follow-up is just a bit too violent, grim, and less humorous than First Law. It's an audiobook with a different reader than the trilogy, so that's not helping.

Finishing this. I'm not sure why he wrote it. There's a quote by Robert E Howard that kicks off one of the chapters, along the lines of, "I don't know how much blood, violence, and gore the reader will tolerate." Joe spends a good amount of time searching for that limit. It's a war novel about people with swords and spears. Lots of horrible shit happens. I thought First Law trilogy was dark, but this is nearly senselessly dark.
I've read one or two of his books. Didn't find much to enjoy honestly.

I much preferred Glen Cook's Black Company series for my grimdark fantasy.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 10, 2019, 06:46:49 AM
I feel like he hasn't topped the ending of the First Law Trilogy yet. My favourite feelgood ending.
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Post by: chronovore on October 11, 2019, 02:07:19 AM
I feel like he hasn't topped the ending of the First Law Trilogy yet. My favourite feelgood ending.

You think the ending of First Law is feelgood? ???

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sure, the cannibal-vampire-wendigo things end up getting a-sploded on that great damned trap. But despite learning and becoming a better human, a genuinely loving and humble King, Bayaz completely gets him shitting himself and destroys his confidence. Glockta does pretty well in the end, but does he deserve it? He's a torturer and an opportunist. Bayaz gets exactly what he wants, and he's clearly an asshole.
[close]
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 11, 2019, 04:24:54 AM
That was the joke. I love how dark it gets.

Anyways, picked up As I Crossed a Bridge of Dreams. (Recollections of a Woman in Eleventh-Century Japan)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 11, 2019, 08:30:22 PM
I started reading The Library at Mount Char a few hours ago, just realized I'm a fifth of the way done.  Wow, what a page-turner. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 12, 2019, 07:01:43 PM
Finished The Library at Mount Char.  Honestly, this is one of the best books I've ever read.  If you like Weird Lit and Fantasy you really should read this. 

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Father’s home was different, though. Instead of candy and television there were shadows and ancient books, handwritten on thick parchment. They came to understand that Father had lived for a very long time. More, over the course of this long life, he had mastered the crafting of wonders. He could call down lightning, or stop time. Stones spoke to him by name.

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All that afternoon the other librarians filtered in, singly and in pairs. Some carried burdens. Alicia held the black candle, still burning as it had in the golden ruin at the end of time. Rachel and her phantom children whispered among themselves of the futures that would never be. The twins, Peter and Richard, watched intently as the librarians filled out the twelve points of the abbreviated circle, studying some deep order that everyone else was blind to.

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Is that your lion?” “Not really. Kind of. We just met a couple of hours ago.” She raised her eyebrows. He shrugged. “It’s been an intense couple of hours.”

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Post by: shosta on October 12, 2019, 07:14:44 PM
I had to read a Malcolm Gladwell book today to impress a girl. Not only was Outliers specious and unconvincing, but it was orientalist and had all the blind spots typical of eurocentrism too :fbm
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Post by: shosta on October 12, 2019, 07:26:49 PM
I bet Thinking Fast Thinking Slow is terrible too
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 12, 2019, 08:59:31 PM
Gladwell’s trash is catnip to executives who buy thousands of copies to force middle management to read and effectively memorize so the executives can twist the message (if needed) to explain why they had “no choice” but to slash performance incentive pay or lay off people during record performances. A lot of times, those executives will call it “inspiring” but will later admit at a reception party that they never actually read it.

Speaking from experience. I’ve been in management for over a decade and have been forced to read Gladwell’s latest and greatest mind dumps and several dozen other books that essentially say the same thing.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on October 13, 2019, 03:08:57 AM
I bet Thinking Fast Thinking Slow is terrible too
the central thesis and finding is interesting but it's written in a very dull and padded out manner. if there's a summary essay or youtube talk by the author just read or watch that
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 15, 2019, 02:28:50 PM
Semiosis by sue burke.  Two chapters in and its pretty good so far.  It's about a small hippy human colony trying to start earth over on a new planet and live with nature only the planet is full of intelligent plants.  Each chapter covers one generation of the colony which keeps things moving fast. 

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He wanted to require childbearing “in harmony with the welfare and interests of the Commonwealth as a whole,” as the Constitution said. Parents liked to quote the Constitution and worried that if we didn’t follow it, we’d face disaster, but the Constitution talked about beauty too, and about equality. Parents quoted only what they wanted to.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2019, 03:01:52 PM
That was a good book.  Looking forward to the second part coming out in a week. 

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The locustwood is using aldose and ketose sugars to construct a joke about water. The punch line is … water is flat! Like snowflakes! Of course, but who would have thought of it that way?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2019, 05:58:26 PM
Started Salem's Lot
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2019, 12:06:36 AM
125 pages in and it's very meandering. 
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 17, 2019, 03:33:59 AM
That's why it's called Lot and not Little.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2019, 02:20:48 PM
168 pages in - still a whole Lot of nothing. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2019, 02:49:46 PM
I've only ever read IT and that wasn't so bad or maybe that was my fill of 20 page descriptions of small town New England. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2019, 03:12:02 PM
Well, at least the last 60 pages were pretty good.  I also liked the short story of Jerusalem's Lot.  It's a shame he didn't intertwined that story into Salem's Lot just to keep the first half of the novel from being so boring. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 31, 2019, 12:04:42 PM
The Reddening by Adam Nevill just loaded on my kindle.  Going to see if I can get through it today.  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45718831-the-reddening
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 02, 2019, 10:06:18 PM
Orconomics

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The farmer was aghast. “You looted my basement!” The hero shrugged. “Standard procedure.”

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“This hoard was projected to be valued at fifty thousand giltin, Mr. Snithe.” Snithe had clearly been expecting this line of questioning. “We had it assessed, Mr. Poldo. Sent a hoard adjuster out and everything.” “And?” “He never came back.” “And you didn’t see that as a problem?” “It’s usually a good sign, sir. The most deadly monsters have usually done the most pillaging, you see. So when a beast takes down a well-trained hoard adjustor, it’s generally expected to have more valuable loot.”
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Post by: chronovore on November 03, 2019, 01:52:11 AM
Re-reading the whole Expanse series. Felt like a recap, but got sucked right back in. Hard SF. Political maneuvering. Noir detective themes. Crime! Amazing stuff.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 04, 2019, 03:03:11 PM
Orconomics was really fun and the end blew me away - had to buy the second one the second I hit the last page

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“I’d blasted both of his legs and one of his arms off, and we planned to just leave him, right?” Laruna was saying. “So we started to head out, and the crazy blighter starts true forming!”

“What’s true forming?” Niln asked amid the heroes’ laughter.

“Oh, you think you’ve defeated me,” mimicked Kaitha, “but now let me show you my true form! Har har har!” “For some reason, I let you break my Human body and trash half of my lair before I really started fighting! Bwa ha ha!” said Laruna. “Gods, it’s annoying.”

“So what happened?” asked Niln, interrupting the heroes’ mirth.

“What?” asked Laruna, wiping a tear from her eye. “With the warlord in the volcano? What happened when he true formed?” Laruna looked uncomfortable. “Oh, er, he turned into a two-story-tall demonic slug, ate our rogue and our priestess, and crippled our fighter before we put him down.”
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Post by: Potato on November 05, 2019, 02:31:54 AM
Orconomics was really fun and the end blew me away - had to buy the second one the second I hit the last page

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“I’d blasted both of his legs and one of his arms off, and we planned to just leave him, right?” Laruna was saying. “So we started to head out, and the crazy blighter starts true forming!”

“What’s true forming?” Niln asked amid the heroes’ laughter.

“Oh, you think you’ve defeated me,” mimicked Kaitha, “but now let me show you my true form! Har har har!” “For some reason, I let you break my Human body and trash half of my lair before I really started fighting! Bwa ha ha!” said Laruna. “Gods, it’s annoying.”

“So what happened?” asked Niln, interrupting the heroes’ mirth.

“What?” asked Laruna, wiping a tear from her eye. “With the warlord in the volcano? What happened when he true formed?” Laruna looked uncomfortable. “Oh, er, he turned into a two-story-tall demonic slug, ate our rogue and our priestess, and crippled our fighter before we put him down.”
Bought based on those quotes alone. Thank you.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2019, 04:07:34 AM
Well, at least the last 60 pages were pretty good.  I also liked the short story of Jerusalem's Lot.  It's a shame he didn't intertwined that story into Salem's Lot just to keep the first half of the novel from being so boring.

Eh, I liked Salem’s Lot.

If you wanna know what happens to Father Callahan, read The Dark Tower!
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Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2019, 04:11:27 AM
Finished Sanderson’s Warbreaker. Darn good fantasy book. Maybe the best one off one I’ve read. Leaves some mysteries unsolved and some sequel hooks for a sequel that’s not coming out for another 20 years if it all, but has a good ending and explains enough to be wholly satisfying.

Started reading the wiki and cool to see that

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Vasher and Nightblood are in the main stormlight series since they’re really fun characters
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Will start Stormlight in a month or two.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 05, 2019, 11:41:49 PM
Son of a Liche sequel to Orconomics was even better.

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“Oh? I never liked trickle-down economics,” said Ortson, watching the crimson wine drip down the glass. “It implies that there’s a leak somewhere.”

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Several papers on the table in front of the floating skull rustled and rearranged themselves before it launched into some prepared remarks. “Hello! I’m the Head of Marketing. You’ve been randomly selected to participate in this focus group. I’ll be asking you a series of questions, and your answers will help shape undead invasions of other cities. So be open, honest, and direct. Your opinion matters! Are we ready to begin?”

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“That’s the Retconomicon,” said Jynn. “A book of forbidden chronomancy. Or it would have been, if it hadn’t written itself out of reality.”
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 13, 2019, 01:12:56 PM
The Witcher Series from Last Wish - Lady of the Lake

I really loved how this series took off and was a good strong character study and world study as well. Author did get really really preachy at times, but really it was an expertly crafted story......until the last few books.

The author totally lost control and the ending was more than anti-climatic it was an outright let down that was almost high school level cliche. There is another book and I just have no real interest right now. I love the world and the characters but the last book was seriously mishandled.

Wheel of Time - New Spring
It's time I started with this series. I had read Eye of the World and up to book four or five back in the early 2000s. I'm not entirely sure that prequels work as books. Like I feel seeing how these characters go through things before I've been introduced as to why they're important or why I care just doesn't work. I'm already half way through this at this point and will finish this book, but I feel like it's quite a bit self indulgent. Non-prequel books tend to be about the story and the characters whereas I feel prequels always fall into the whole "I bet you were wondering how x happened. Here's how it did!" Instead of thinking if "x" was a compelling thing or not.
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Post by: Potato on November 13, 2019, 04:57:36 PM
Spot on with the prequel talk there. I always think that is that part of the story was the interesting part, that's what the whole story would have been about.
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Post by: chronovore on November 14, 2019, 12:27:24 AM
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“That’s the Retconomicon,” said Jynn. “A book of forbidden chronomancy. Or it would have been, if it hadn’t written itself out of reality.”

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Post by: EightBitNate on November 14, 2019, 12:36:18 AM
Finishing up Artemis and it was like a mediocre blockbuster movie in book form? I don’t know how to describe it but I’m surprised at how much I wasn’t vibing with it. Not really funny or unique, and I feel like some of the details are masturbatory, like the author is trying to show off his knowledge of moon physics. Phil Lord and Chris Miller are supposed to adapt it into a movie in 2021 but I don’t know what they see in this.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on November 14, 2019, 11:46:14 AM
bad blood - my brother lent this to me and it is some wild shit; just in the prologue the cfo gets fired
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 15, 2019, 10:31:46 AM
Dresden Files Changes - had to stay up till 3AM to finish this.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 22, 2019, 10:16:29 PM
Halfway through Dresden Files: Skin game , this series just kept getting better and better.  Glad i waited until Butcher was back to writing because I think a 5 year wait would have killed me. 
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 23, 2019, 04:39:30 AM
Utopia by Thomas More

Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy
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Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2019, 03:27:19 AM
Finished Ray Bradbury's Something Wicked Comes this Way (1962) for a book club. Not sure if I read any Bradbury before. Always thought he was a sci-fi writer like Asimov.

At first this novel was tough to get into in 2019 because of the long run on sentences and constant jumping around without grounding down the setting and characters first. Basically it sets up the mood of the small town. Once I get the hang of it and could follow what was going on the second half was basically one long action set piece which was still pretty good today. I like that Bradbury wrote this when he was 37-42 years old and arguably the main character's plot is about a 54 year old middle age guy feeling old and sad about his age and having kids so late. As someone in the age Bradbury was when he wrote this, I can definitely relate to some of the themes and fears of entering middle age.

I checked Disney+ to see if the Disney movie from the 80s was on it since I'd be interested in checking out the adaptation but it's not :( 

Not sure if I wanna read other Bradbury stuff, but maybe I'd check out his short stories.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on December 04, 2019, 04:15:50 AM
bad blood - my brother lent this to me and it is some wild shit; just in the prologue the cfo gets fired
finished this and hard to believe it's not fiction. the whole faking test results while demoing the products is almost straight out of bleeding edge by pynchon. now starting chaos monkeys to continue my kick of silicon valley hi-jinks
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Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2019, 09:21:59 AM
Finished Ray Bradbury's Something Wicked Comes this Way (1962) for a book club. Not sure if I read any Bradbury before. Always thought he was a sci-fi writer like Asimov.

At first this novel was tough to get into in 2019 because of the long run on sentences and constant jumping around without grounding down the setting and characters first. Basically it sets up the mood of the small town. Once I get the hang of it and could follow what was going on the second half was basically one long action set piece which was still pretty good today. I like that Bradbury wrote this when he was 37-42 years old and arguably the main character's plot is about a 54 year old middle age guy feeling old and sad about his age and having kids so late. As someone in the age Bradbury was when he wrote this, I can definitely relate to some of the themes and fears of entering middle age.

I checked Disney+ to see if the Disney movie from the 80s was on it since I'd be interested in checking out the adaptation but it's not :( 

Not sure if I wanna read other Bradbury stuff, but maybe I'd check out his short stories.

The Disney movie is supposedly really good too. Just shitty VHS rips on YouTube, haven't brought myself to watch it either.

The Halloween Tree is another gem in this category, both novel and adaptation (an animated TV movie with Leonard Nemoy as the bad guy 17 years before Birth by Sleep did it.)
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Post by: tiesto on December 05, 2019, 09:31:18 PM
I've met Kurt plenty of times over the years, the least I could do is support his awesome new book. A lot of amazing picks here like Linda^3, Tengai Makyou IV, Umihara Kawase, Live A Live, Emerald Dragon... and a lot of stuff even new to me that sounds incredible.

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Post by: chronovore on December 06, 2019, 01:42:46 AM
I'm up to Book 5, Nemesis Games, in my re-read of The Expanse. I'm enjoying it nearly as much as the first read-through. The writers do a good job of making even unlikable characters realistic.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on December 24, 2019, 06:35:57 AM
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nothing like reading some collapse theory to get into the holiday mood! orlov casually shitting on chomsky and universal grammar was  :whoo
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Post by: Rufus on December 24, 2019, 07:19:28 AM
orlov casually shitting on chomsky and universal grammar was  :whoo
Oho? I need to look into this.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on December 24, 2019, 12:56:26 PM
orlov casually shitting on chomsky and universal grammar was  :whoo
Oho? I need to look into this.
It’s really only in passing, this book isn’t about language/syntax/linguistics. He just says universal grammar is bollocks, it tied up academic departments needlessly for far too long with nothing to show for it and when it became a dead end Chomsky just pivoted to US politics
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 24, 2019, 01:18:33 PM
NPCs was just OK.

Started the Aching God
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 24, 2019, 07:19:53 PM
Incase Dresden fans didn't read it last year.  Spoiler alert its set after Peace Talks

https://www.jim-butcher.com/christmas-eve
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 25, 2019, 11:43:07 AM
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 28, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
Aching God  was really great.  It's fantasy with a lot of horror and a big D&D dungeon crawling feel.  I would say its also like Diablo 1 or Darkest Dungeon the book.  Going to read the second one Sin Eater, now.  The final book should be out in a few months.  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38769599-aching-god
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 28, 2019, 04:22:49 PM
TVC, do I have a book for you:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40819145-this-hoe-got-roaches-in-her-crib

I'm still in the first chapter but rollin' on the floor laughing at this.

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“ALL THESE FUCKIN’ ROACHES AND SHIT! AHHHHH! GOD MOTHAFUCKIN’ DAMN IT!!”

[...]

Ducking and dodging at the sound of rapid gunfire was the most valuable tool any young nicca growing up in Chicago’s fucked up and ultra-violent housing projects had to learn quickly. And then the next valuable housing project survival skill young niccas had to acquire was the art of killing roaches.

[...]

Daddy Roach Sr. went on to be with the Lord. The front of his obituary read: Homegoing Celebration For The Late Daddy Roach Sr. Sunrise May 2018- Sunset June 2018 Rev. Dr. Lucious Roachson, III presiding…

[...]

Daddy Roach Sr. had 1,861 brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles, aunts and other relatives lurking in the cut, ready to get to that pizza crust and other discarded trash scattered throughout the cluttered and disgusting apartment.

This is still the first chapter.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on December 29, 2019, 02:29:32 AM
best selling books of the decade https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/610692/best-selling-books-decade

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E. L. James, Fifty Shades of Grey (2011) // 15.2 million copies
E. L. James, Fifty Shades Darker (2011) // 10.4 million copies
E. L. James, Fifty Shades Freed (2012) // 9.3 million copies
Suzanne Collins, The Hunger Games (2008) // 8.7 million copies
Kathryn Stockett, The Help (2009) // 8.7 million copies
Paula Hawkins, The Girl on The Train (2015) // 8.2 million copies
Gillian Flynn, Gone Girl (2012) // 8.1 million copies
John Green, The Fault in Our Stars (2012) // 8 million copies
Stieg Larsson, The Girl with The Dragon Tattoo (2008) // 7.9 million copies
Veronica Roth, Divergent (2011) // 6.6 million copies

reminds me of best selling pc games where the list would just be the sims, world of warcraft and its expansion packs
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Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2020, 08:43:59 PM
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I won't mention the historical errors (some dates are half a century off or more) or the ideological nonsense (Martin Van Buren literally could not know what Keynes "proved" about budgets) to instead focus on one thing.

The title. Which is repeated as the thesis at both the start and end of the book.

In the other 230 pages the FIRST FUCKING YEAR is almost never mentioned at all. Some Presidents are literally not covered at all until events of their SECOND or even THIRD year. Calvin Coolidge is covered entirely by events that occur either when he was Vice President or come during his successor, Hoover's, term. Bill Clinton has more coverage of his welfare reform and impeachment than his first year of his wife screwing up his health care goals or even his first year budget battle which isn't covered at all. Nixon's presidency isn't even covered at all, his entire segment is about what he is alleged to have done regarding the Vietnam talks during 1968.

I wish I could get this as a paper so I could ask a single question and return it for redrafting.

edit: okay, since I thought I was losing my mind seeing all the positive reviews about how informative and detailed and compelling this was
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Jun 07, 2017 Jesse Miller rated it it was ok
Shelves: non-fiction, history
A promising premise marred by poor planning. The object of the book is ostensibly to examine the first year of each of the first 44 presidents, an initially intriguing object. While the author does this, looking at the frequent blunders and rare successes in the early parts of each presidency, he takes, in my opinion, an overly wide historical perspective. By that, I mean to say that he reports not only the first, or "freshman," year (the term also used of legislators and appropriated for the Executive) of each President, but also looks at the events that led up to that year, sometimes going back a decade or more, and often giving a detailed account of the balance of his term in office. The context provided is usually interesting, but I would have preferred a more detailed and pinpoint examination of what each President did, or did not do, in the first 365 days of his Presidency. This problem of wide reporting is compounded by the peculiar--no, the downright strange way in which the presidents are broken up. Instead of a linear historical path traced from Washington to Obama, the author groups Presidents into arbitrary categories, such as loner Presidents (Jefferson, Carter, Obama), witchhunters (Adams and Eisenhower), some general presidents (Harrison, Grant, Hayes), and of course many others. While these men may have had some things in common, in the end, as the author himself says repeatedly, no Presidency is a copy of another. Each is unique from its beginning, and therefore to bunch some of them together in this way proves merely distracting instead of enlightening. There is too many variables to properly compare and contrast so many different men and circumstances. This mean that the chapters fly here and there throughout history, from Civil War to the Great Depression, back to Nullification, jumping to the Panic of 1893 to the civil rights movement. The lack of historical continuity makes it very difficult to follow trends, to trace the evolution of the country or the presidency, or to even gain bearings on whichever president we come to next.
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Jeremy rated it did not like it
This book is a mess. It purports to examine the first year of each presidency and find some lessons. It finds pablum. It draws out almost no patterns of meaning. It is useful only as a broad introduction to the political circumstances each president faced upon inauguration, but is so idiosyncratic and undisciplined in its focus that it allows the reader to figure out almost nothing useful about first years. It tells very little about each president that a standard biography would not already tell better, and what is new here is often a strange exposition on one particular aspect that drew the author's attention, in a few cases in ways that burnish his reputation as an insider, a reputation mostly unjustified. So what is new is seldom worth reading. He doesn't even remain focused only on the first year in many cases, drawing in incidents from well beyond it whenever it suits his fancy. One of its sole virtues is its remarkable short length. Each chapter on each president is brief, so it is all over quickly.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 03, 2020, 10:21:45 PM
Sin Eater was also really good.
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Post by: chronovore on January 04, 2020, 04:16:53 AM
Just finished Babylon's Ashes, the 6th book in The Expanse series. It still feels like a Traveller RPG session to me, in a good way. There is quite a bit of character growth across many of the characters; I guess I feel like Alex and Amos don't grow much, but they're already plenty interesting to watch them navigate situations.

I may re-watch s1 of the TV show, as Amazon.co.jp is not streaming it, likely due to some shriveled-dick distribution rights-holder thinking they're going to get ahead of Amazon on a property they now literally own. In the meantime, I can't watch shit.
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Post by: shosta on January 06, 2020, 01:56:34 AM
Why do public libraries limit how many people can borrow an ebook at a time? Seems pretty ridiculous.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on January 06, 2020, 02:11:04 AM
guessing licensing reasons? i mostly read stuff by dead people so don't feel too guilty just hitting up libgen  :yeshrug
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Post by: Rufus on January 06, 2020, 10:49:05 AM
Why do public libraries limit how many people can borrow an ebook at a time? Seems pretty ridiculous.
A comprehensive survey of the first page of Google results suggests that publishers fear lost sales. Our Star Trek future will never come. :'(
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 06, 2020, 07:50:25 PM
From what I know libraries need to re-license after a certain amount of e-book borrows. 

 A few chapters into The Gutter Prayer.  It's pretty cool so far.  Has really interesting races/monsters

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Stillness is death to a Stone Man. You have to keep moving, keep the blood flowing, the muscles moving. If you don’t, those veins and arteries will become carved channels through hard stone, the muscles will turn to useless inert rocks. Spar is never motionless, even when he’s standing still. He flexes, twitches, rocks—yes, rocks, very funny—from foot to foot. Works his jaw, his tongue, flicks his eyes back and forth. He has a special fear of his lips and tongue calcifying.

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It jams two fingers up its nostrils (remembering to put the axe down first; wouldn’t want to chop its own head off) and wiggles them about, opening channels from the outside to its hollow inside where its flame-self burns. It adjusts the nose, remoulding it so it’s more dignified. In a rare moment of self-reflection, the Tallowman acknowledges that it’s burnt for too long and needs a good long soak in a tallow vat. Needs a new wick threaded through its body, for this one’s nearly gone. The Tallowman must buy each new life with the good deeds of the previous one. If it doesn’t catch the ghoul, maybe the alchemists won’t remake it. Naughty candle, reduced to a puddle with an axe.

Also 2 stories into the The Devil and the Deep horror anthology.  Really liked the second story.  It's about Lovecraftian AIDS.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 07, 2020, 10:29:02 PM
The Gutter Prayer continues to be really cool.  The sequel dropped today to.

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The Fever Knight hauled his armoured bulk through the gap, glaring at him from behind eyeholes of thick glass. The steel containment suit he wore kept his rotten frame together, or maybe protected everyone else from the toxins in his body. Dribbling fluid leaks encrusted the steel plates with patches of vile slime. That horrific facemask, a polished brass skull decorated with melted flesh. They say that the Fever Knight was hurt in the war, by an alchemical weapon or divine wrath, and that the rotten mask of loose skin he wears over his helmet is actually his own face, that he tore it off in his agony. Whatever else the Fever Knight was, he was terrifyingly strong and immensely cruel. Spar had never seen the Knight fight, but he’d seen the aftermath. Skulls crushed with such force they’d popped open, brains spilling out like beer from a broken barrel.

“Try it,” said the Fever Knight. Steam hissed from his armour in anticipation.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 14, 2020, 08:32:28 PM
the ending of The Gutter Prayer was beautiful.  Going to start the second one The Shadow Saint.
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Post by: shosta on January 15, 2020, 02:14:33 PM
Rereading A Fire Upon the Deep. Pretty interesting concepts, fun little fantasy adventure. Would like to read something more literary next.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on January 16, 2020, 01:27:48 AM
Rereading A Fire Upon the Deep. Pretty interesting concepts, fun little fantasy adventure. Would like to read something more literary next.
good timing, a collection of nabakov essays were recently released (think, write, speak), it's next on my list once i've done with my current book
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Post by: Crash Dummy on January 20, 2020, 06:24:08 AM
on the other hand, maybe donald jr can help with selecting next book https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/donald-trump-jr-reviews-famous-works-of-literature

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Pride and Prejudice
I first came across this book when my father was researching potential campaign slogans; it turned out that this one was a no-go due to copyright issues. Pride and Prejudice is a classic human-merger story about rich people overcoming a series of terrible obstacles to triumph in the end by marrying their own kind. This book was written by a girl.

The Sound and the Fury
The Sound and the Fury is actually a very long tweet that tells the story of a terrific boy who dreams of reclaiming his family’s repossessed golf course. Our hero does everything right, loves his sister a lot, and almost never sets himself on fire, but for some reason about a quarter of the way through the book the narrator changes from him to his brother, who is supposed to be ‘the smart one’ although I have my doubts. As if that weren’t bad enough, another quarter of the way through the narrator changes again to this other brother who just showed up later and somehow became the favorite child just because he makes the most money and is allegedly competent. To add insult to injury, the last quarter of the story is told by The Help. I also came across this book when my father was researching potential campaign slogans.

Animal Farm

"This is not a book to simply read in total and digest--yes, do that--but it is also a work to return to in parts whenever necessary. It's a book to ingest like medicine."
—Rion Scott
This is a tremendous children’s story about a talking pig named Napoleon who becomes the greatest leader his farm has ever known. After Napoleon destroys Crooked Snowball in a free and fair election by easily the greatest margin of not-being-chased-off-by-dogs in history, the new leader delivers on his promise to make the farm great again by using creative solutions to bring back law and order. Throughout his administration, Napoleon is constantly harassed by jealous losers, such as the stupid old donkey who only complains and, you guessed it: Crooked Snowball! That’s right, even though Crooked Snowball doesn’t hold power and technically isn’t even still around at all, this totally corrupt swine just can’t stop causing problems for the farm. Every time Napoleon tries to score a win for the animals, the ghost of Crooked Snowball is there to trip him up, fueled by liberal rage and an insatiable love of windmills even though they obstruct everyone’s view and kill birds. Nevertheless, Napoleon persists, and in the end he wows everyone with his mastery of several terrific words and his knack for dealmaking, which he uses to create a strategic back-channel alliance with the humans (whom we actually should want to have a positive working relationship with when you really think about it).

Frankenstein
Two thumbs way up for this cautionary tale about the dangers of unsettled science. All hell breaks loose when Victor Frankenstein, an immigrant, creates a (((monster))) that is basically half Al Franken and half Jill Stein. Though it reads a bunch of books and becomes very smart and talky, the (((monster))) causes all sorts of havoc everywhere it goes, leading to a number of deaths and at least one abortion. Really makes you think.

Moby-Dick
There’s nothing more exhilarating than the thrill that comes from tracking and killing a large, majestic animal for no reason at all no matter what the so-called “psychologist” says. Moby-Dick is the timeless story of a noble hunter with the best temperament who spends nearly a thousand pages in vain pursuit of a fat white sperm whale that in no way represents his father’s love.

Crime and Punishment
I’ll be honest — I’ve never read this book. Now, in the event that someone tells you they saw me reading it, rest assured that I don’t recall what it was about. Look: did I read it? I mean, sure, of course, maybe. What happened was a close friend of mine from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant recommended it to me; I didn’t know who the author was or anything going in, but who’s going to say no to a favor from a close pageant friend? I have read this book at least three other times in secret, and my father also briefly considered this one as a campaign slogan.

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

"It's going to take lots of energy for us to grapple with the challenge we're facing, and some of it is on vivid display in these pages." —Bill McKibben
This book is primarily about adoptions.

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Post by: benjipwns on January 21, 2020, 10:50:52 PM
one of them oral history books, this time about...
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 24, 2020, 11:59:35 PM
The Shadow Saint was amazing.  More weird lit than fantasy compared to the first one.  Really looking forward to the third book in a year or two.  They also both end nicely so no major cliff hangers.   
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 28, 2020, 11:45:15 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-massage-therapist-misconduct-book-summaries-1.5442239

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When an undercover investigator from the college visited Elson for a massage in June 2019, she discovered that he spent at least 15 minutes of her appointment on his phone reading a series of wiki pages about the fantasy book series Malazan Book of the Fallen.

 :lol
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Post by: NekoFever on January 29, 2020, 05:34:54 AM
Homies... Can you recommend me good books on the history of the crusades? I realize asking for a single volume is absurd but I'd prefer that

The Crusades: The War for the Holy Land by Thomas Asbridge is good for an accessible overall picture.

It's not strictly about the Crusades as a whole but I recently read The Templars by Dan Jones, which covers a lot of the same time period and was excellent. It's free on Kindle Unlimited here at the moment - not sure if that's worldwide. It's a serious history of the Knights Templar; nothing to do with the silly conspiracy stuff.

Edit: And I just saw that Dan Jones has written a book about the Crusades themselves (Crusaders: An Epic History of the Wars for the Holy Lands), which only came out a few months ago. Haven't read it myself but based on my experience with The Templars and the reviews, it could be worth a look.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on February 04, 2020, 06:45:40 AM
imagine zizek but coherent and lucid

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Post by: Crash Dummy on February 04, 2020, 01:14:24 PM
Have you not accepted zizek into your heart and mind?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 04, 2020, 01:21:09 PM
Homies... Can you recommend me good books on the history of the crusades? I realize asking for a single volume is absurd but I'd prefer that

It's not strictly about the Crusades as a whole but I recently read The Templars by Dan Jones, which covers a lot of the same time period and was excellent. It's free on Kindle Unlimited here at the moment - not sure if that's worldwide. It's a serious history of the Knights Templar; nothing to do with the silly conspiracy stuff.

Edit: And I just saw that Dan Jones has written a book about the Crusades themselves (Crusaders: An Epic History of the Wars for the Holy Lands), which only came out a few months ago. Haven't read it myself but based on my experience with The Templars and the reviews, it could be worth a look.

I’ve been considering picking up Dan Jones’ War of the Roses book, it good?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 05, 2020, 03:01:36 PM
I’ve been considering picking up Dan Jones’ War of the Roses book, it good?

Decided to read his book on The Plantagenets first. It's a good read, I'm making quick progress.

I was at Half-Price Books this weekend, and I saw a somewhat battered 1909 illustrated edition of The King in Yellow. I wanted it until I looked at the price tag and they wanted $450 for it.  ::) I just had to make due with a couple of Lovecraftian anthologies instead (ST Joshi's Black Wings of Cthulhu Vol 6 and Chaosium's The Azathoth Cycle).
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 06, 2020, 11:10:20 PM
Laundry Files book 1 was pretty good.  Basically 90's cool hacker meets X-Files meets Lovecraft meets bureaucracy parody.  Also, there is a scene that describes a mount Rushmore being carved on an alien moon in another universe only its Hilter. 
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Post by: shosta on March 14, 2020, 11:26:21 PM
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I finally got around to finishing this, making sure to do a few exercises each chapter. This book is great, even if it's dated. It's readable and the author uses geometric intuition wherever possible so you're not stuck in some proof every other page. Since it is sort of old, I do have another more complete graduate text that I'll look at sometime... before the end of the year possibly. Definitely gave me a lot to think about. Only chapter I didn't understand was the one on fractals, and frankly I don't think it mattered all that much :P Best part of the book was the Feigenbaum constants and the universal series :leon

I had this intro to mechanics professor who kept shouting every lecture that everyone should study dimensional analysis. Characteristic time kept popping up in this book and it even showed up in an economics book I was reading recently so I guess I should? Anyone have any recs?
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Post by: Crash Dummy on March 16, 2020, 05:01:26 AM
^that sounds pretty awesome and will look into it but man i haven't done "real" maths in so long i think my knowledge has all but atrophied at this point  :'(

more feel good reading for me:
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For thousands of years, civilization did not lend itself to peaceful equalization. Across a wide range of societies and different levels of development, stability favored economic inequality. This was as true of Pharaonic Egypt as it was of Victorian England, as true of the Roman Empire as of the United States. Violent shocks were of paramount importance in disrupting the established order, in compressing the distribution of income and wealth, in narrowing the gap between rich and poor. Throughout recorded history, the most powerful leveling invariably resulted from the most powerful shocks. Four different kinds of violent ruptures have flattened inequality: mass mobilization warfare, transformative revolution, state failure, and lethal pandemics. I call these the Four Horsemen of Leveling. Just like their biblical counterparts, they went forth to “take peace from the earth” and “kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.” Sometimes acting individually and sometimes in concert with one another, they produced outcomes that to contemporaries often seemed nothing short of apocalyptic. Hundreds of millions perished in their wake. And by the time the dust had settled, the gap between the haves and the have-nots had shrunk, sometimes dramatically.
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Post by: shosta on March 16, 2020, 11:22:53 AM
As recommended by Jordan Peterson :hitler
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Post by: Crash Dummy on March 16, 2020, 11:35:33 AM
As recommended by Jordan Peterson :hitler

Fuck, seriously? I honestly wanted to see some silver lining to corona without the lazy “oh something bad happened it’s all good though because accelerationism” take all over Twitter. Will read more Zizek instead to compensate https://spectator.us/like-about-coronavirus-slavoj-zizek/
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Post by: shosta on March 16, 2020, 11:40:20 AM
He brings it up all the time as part of his "inequality is natural" shtick. Like, "the left has a point, inequality does matter, but I just read this book that says you can't do anything about it unless there's a huge war, so it's basically impossible to suppress and is a natural law of the universe."

I'd still read it
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Post by: shosta on March 22, 2020, 03:42:52 PM
Not gonna lie I worried about you when you posted a thread about fragrance during a pandemic from a disease that inhibits smell. If you need to talk I'm here dawg :dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Days_(play) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Days_(play))

Great play, you should read it if you like absurdist literature.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 24, 2020, 11:07:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F17zuaRJG0U

AND WE ARE GETTING TWO DRESDEN BOOKS THIS YEAR!
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Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 27, 2020, 01:52:57 PM
Picked up a few books for reading during the shutdown:

-Brutal Bloc Postcards: Soviet Era Postcards from the Eastern Bloc [by Damon Murray]
-The World Encyclopedia of Archaeology: The World's Most Significant Sites and Cultural Treasures [by Dr. Dr. Aedeen Cremin]
-A People's History of the United States [by Howard Zinn]
-A History of Venice [John Julius Norwich]
-City: A Story of Roman Planning and Construction [by David Macaulay]
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Post by: Crash Dummy on March 29, 2020, 06:26:28 AM
i thought this was a photoshop but turns out it's real:
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Post by: thisismyusername on March 29, 2020, 06:31:56 AM
Cashing in on a topical. Just like Chuck Tingle does.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 30, 2020, 09:00:27 PM
So how are the Neuromancer follow ups? You always hear about how influential Neuromancer was, but I didn't even realize there were sequels until 2 days ago.

Not as good as Neuromancer, but still really good.
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Post by: curly on March 30, 2020, 09:01:42 PM
Finished Moby Dick

it was a whale of a tale
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 31, 2020, 07:31:58 PM
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Post by: shosta on April 01, 2020, 02:14:12 PM
https://twitter.com/MollyQuell/status/1245288640307216384
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 01, 2020, 02:18:12 PM
Dutch classics? 
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 08, 2020, 08:36:18 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRealJGarrett/status/1247566343748100097
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Post by: Potato on April 10, 2020, 12:37:45 AM
Just finished The Lights go out in Lychford by Paul Cornell.
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Starting Caliban's War in The Expanse series. I've watched the first two seasons of the tv show, but only read the first book. Both are fantastic so far.
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Post by: Transhuman on April 10, 2020, 12:45:44 AM
Just finished The Lights go out in Lychford by Paul Cornell.
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Starting Caliban's War in The Expanse series. I've watched the first two seasons of the tv show, but only read the first book. Both are fantastic so far.
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Books are way better, you're in for a treat
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 10, 2020, 03:21:01 AM
https://twitter.com/MollyQuell/status/1245288640307216384

I mentioned this book back in the thread when I read it. The opening chapter literally has him describing loving a woman so much he'd eat her shit.

Turks fruit by Jan Wolkers. (Turkish delight)
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Post by: Bebpo on April 17, 2020, 11:58:36 AM
Started reading Sanderson's Stormlight Book 1: Way of Kings last night. The first few chapters were pretty strong.

One thing I've noticed though with Sanderson's books are his fights scenes are very long and wordy. Like he does a good job choreographing the fights with all the magic and stuff, but I've never found fight choreography in books in general particularly compelling, so I'd rather he just cuts to the chase and gets back to the story.
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Post by: Lonewulfeus on April 19, 2020, 09:33:55 PM
I love Greek mythology and I was browsing my library app for something to read when Madeline Miller’s Circe caught my eye.  She turns the Greek epic kind of on its head and writes a much more personal story that I quite enjoyed.  If you like Greek mythology I highly recommend it.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 19, 2020, 09:50:55 PM
Picked it up a while ago and I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by: Lonewulfeus on April 19, 2020, 10:07:30 PM
Picked it up a while ago and I'm looking forward to it.

Have you read Song of Achillies?  I plan on starting that tonight.  Still have 70 days on my hold for the third book in Nora Robert’s Chronicles of the One trilogy.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 19, 2020, 10:13:05 PM
No I haven't but lots of people have been talking about Circe.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 20, 2020, 08:04:18 AM
https://ebookclub.tor.com/

murderbot is free this week (one each day).  Really enjoyed these.
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Post by: Lonewulfeus on April 21, 2020, 07:18:25 AM
The Song of Achilles was also very good.  Very similar in style to Circe.
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Post by: Lonewulfeus on April 23, 2020, 06:11:34 AM
Read the 3rd book in David Lagercrantz’ continuation of Stieg Larsson’s millenium series.  Enjoyed this book more than his first two books though turning Lisbeth into an action hero is still weird as shit.  Maybe I’m not remembering Stieg’s final millenium books as well as I thought though.  And Blomkvist is even more of a Gary Stu than before, something I didn’t think could be possible  ::)
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Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2020, 08:10:45 PM
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2020, 07:23:42 PM
Getting close to the end of A People's History of the United States, now I want a good book on the Soviet Union. Bonus points if it's translated from the original Russian.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2020, 09:55:03 PM
Thanks, I'll check those out!
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 03, 2020, 10:04:45 PM
if you want a liberal account from people who agree with the idea that Russians are human beings / aren't brain poisoned by Orwell

And if we want an account where Russians are not human beings?
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 03, 2020, 10:06:30 PM
rex wade’s book is probably the best one on just the revolution itself

i read mawdsley’s on the civil war but dont remember SHIT. i think its supposed to be authoritative though
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Post by: shosta on May 03, 2020, 10:07:22 PM
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 03, 2020, 10:40:15 PM
And if we want an account where Russians are not human beings?
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/131488/the-russian-revolution-by-richard-pipes/
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Post by: Bebpo on May 13, 2020, 07:56:45 PM
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The Way of Kings: Stormlight Archives Book 1 by Brandon Sanderson


Well, did a 4 hour marathon last night and finished this 1,000 page book up. Been running on 3 hours sleep because of that and looking up stuff afterwards. Going to pass out soon, but time to write about it!

It was good, not great imo. I've been reading Sanderson's Cosmere universe stuff in release order and this is like book 6 of 11 (and then there's a short story collection & a 3 volume graphic novel series). His other stuff is like half this length and I felt like less stuff happened in this book than the other ones I've read.

For being the first book of a large scope fantasy epic (10 books total, 2 arcs of 5 books with book #4 out this fall and book #5 planned for fall 2023 ending the first arc), the scope feels pretty small. There's only really 3 viewpoints and coming from GRRM's ASOIAF with a dozen viewpoints it feels kinda restricted, especially because I don't feel the extra time spent with these characters really developed them and progressed their storylines more than a character would in a GRRM book. For everyone involved it's still basically the intro chapter of introducing the characters, introducing the world lore and world building and then ending after the intro chapter. If this was a TV show, this would be a 2 hour premiere movie or maybe 4 eps max.

Then again, ASOIAF didn't need a ton of world building early on since it was a fairly realistic medieval england warfare world. Stormlight is a sci-fi fantasy world that's very diverged from our reality so there's more to explain and set up.

That being said, the world isn't that interesting so far and the characters aren't as good as some of Sanderson's previous characters in his earlier books. There's a lot of combat (maybe too much) and the best character point of view is essentially a clone of Stannis (which I mean I'm all for since Stannis is awesome). 50+ year old stoic integrity military commander with zero people skills and even also a brother of a dead king!

At the end of the day, the book was fine and when things finally started coming together in the last couple hundred pages it was satisfying. That said I really hope book #2 is much better and story-focused since all the setup was done here (and so.many.flashbacks).

Fwiw, I've only read two large scope epic series in my life. ASOIAF and The Dark Tower. So I'm totally comparing this to both of those and it's not as good in book #1. Also Sanderson's stuff is a bit too pg-13 happy, as this was his big fantasy epic start I was expecting it to go a lot darker by the end of the book to setup the story, but things never happened as bad as I expected coming from GRRM or even King.


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But yeah, since there's not gonna be an arc conclusion until 2023 I'm in no rush to jump into the next one and will take my time. Not sure what I'll read next. I want to finish Stephen King's "On Writing" which I started on a flight last fall. But after that need something new that's not King or Sanderson. I want to read some great classics. I never read Fantasy novels until like 8 years ago when Game of Thrones TV started so I have a lot to catch up on, mostly read sci-fi and horror my whole life.

Thinking about reading Terry Pratchett's The Colour of Magic next. I think I maaay have read it as a kid, but I also think I only played some of the Discworld games and read Good Omens in terms of Pratchett's stuff. Always kinda associated him with Douglas Adams and I read all the Douglas Adam's books, so I might've read some Discworld. Maybe. But I'm always up for good satire/comedy, so that seems like it'd be a fun pick up.

Otherwise, I saw a thread last night on Dan Simmon's Hyperion and looked it up and apparently it's a pretty famous and well regarded sci-fi fantasy book. So maybe I'll read that.

Also feel like maybe I should read Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time?

I've never read Ender's Game because Orson Scott Card always seemed like a shitty person so I avoided his stuff. But people seem to think real highly of that as a sci-fi book.

Although both of those are starts of series and I kind of just want to read standalone books while I'm reading through all this Cosmere stuff. Any recommendations? The types of books I like besides Stephen King/Sanderson/GRRM are stuff like Neil Gaiman, Douglas Adam, I liked Ready Player One.

Things I'm not into anymore/right now is high-brow lit stuff like Pychon and Vonnegut, non-fiction. I just want my horror/fantasy/sci-fi videogame junk food fiction books. The more interesting lore and stuff the better.
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Post by: Clockwork5 on May 13, 2020, 09:07:57 PM
I just finished The Way of Kings about a month ago. I thought it started and ended super strong. I really dug Kaladin’s arc and legit got excited about his level-up towards the end of the book. I think the spren and stormlight aspects of the world are pretty well thought out too. I will say, I found it to drag a bit (and by a bit I mean 200-300 pages) in the middle, but I’m looking forward to continuing on.

I’m now listening to The Stand audiobook (I guess we both are doing this Sanderson-King thing). It’s really good. The timeline is kinda strange... Written in the 70’s, takes place in the 90’s, feels like the 70’s... but I can forgive that. It is kinda hard to keep track of all of these characters coming and going in the audio format, but damn if the narrator hasn’t nailed the gritty, horror show scenes so far.
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Post by: Tasty on May 13, 2020, 09:22:30 PM
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Making my way through my friend's book Overshadowed (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01D9CUMHG/). 😊
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Post by: Bebpo on May 14, 2020, 12:00:46 AM
I just finished The Way of Kings about a month ago. I thought it started and ended super strong. I really dug Kaladin’s arc and legit got excited about his level-up towards the end of the book. I think the spren and stormlight aspects of the world are pretty well thought out too. I will say, I found it to drag a bit (and by a bit I mean 200-300 pages) in the middle, but I’m looking forward to continuing on.

I’m now listening to The Stand audiobook (I guess we both are doing this Sanderson-King thing). It’s really good. The timeline is kinda strange... Written in the 70’s, takes place in the 90’s, feels like the 70’s... but I can forgive that. It is kinda hard to keep track of all of these characters coming and going in the audio format, but damn if the narrator hasn’t nailed the gritty, horror show scenes so far.

I like Kaladin but I feel he's a bit too been there, done that Sanderson protagonist. Also his arc took foreeeever to get where it was going. So much time in flashbacks too.

Also this book is a little funky because every other Cosmere Sanderson book I've read has had main hero characters by the end fully in control of their magic powers,

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Wheras even in the end Kaladin can just barely use his. The only character in control of their powers like a Sanderson hero is Szeth who honestly is a little boring without any freedom of action on his own the whole time and being super OP, I can see why he only got the occasional chapter and I hope in book 2 he starts actually doing something.
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I liked Dalinar a lot more. Just seemed more interesting and more fun.

I agree the end was strong and I thought the first few chapters were fantastic, but once it changed over to Shallan about 3 chapters in the pace just came to a stop and it was a long crawl that didn't really speed up that much until the last 100 pages or so. The book also introduced so many different mysteries with the surgebindng, spren, shadesmar, soulcrafting, etc..etc... without really answering even a single thing by the end of book 1. I've read other books like Dark Tower #1: The Gunslinger that are also kind of intro chapters to the story, but Gunslinger is like 200 pages. Sanderson's full complete books from start to finish typically are about 500-600 pages which introduce a world, mysteries, characters, magic and tell a full story and resolve most of it by the end. This book was so long at 1,000 pages and it just felt like a lot less content. I feel the same book could've been told in about 1/2 the page count.

It was still enjoyable, I still finished it in a few weeks reading each night, I'm still excited about book #2, but if book #2 doesn't pick up a lot from this point I'm going to be disappointed. I honestly don't see how it couldn't pick up and be exciting from this point, but if it's another build up for major stuff to happen in book #3 I'll be a little hmmmmmmmmmm.

For instance in ASOIAF, each book builds up the story and moves it to the next one, but each book has enough arcs of their own to feel complete and satisfying. That's basically what I want out of this. The Mistborn Trilogy #1 books by Sanderson were like that too with each book being a complete story while setting up.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on May 14, 2020, 06:46:31 AM
Thinking about reading Terry Pratchett's The Colour of Magic next. I think I maaay have read it as a kid, but I also think I only played some of the Discworld games and read Good Omens in terms of Pratchett's stuff. Always kinda associated him with Douglas Adams and I read all the Douglas Adam's books, so I might've read some Discworld. Maybe. But I'm always up for good satire/comedy, so that seems like it'd be a fun pick up.
do it, the discworld books are brilliant especially those featuring rincewind or death
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2020, 09:01:13 AM
Thinking about reading Terry Pratchett's The Colour of Magic next. I think I maaay have read it as a kid, but I also think I only played some of the Discworld games and read Good Omens in terms of Pratchett's stuff. Always kinda associated him with Douglas Adams and I read all the Douglas Adam's books, so I might've read some Discworld. Maybe. But I'm always up for good satire/comedy, so that seems like it'd be a fun pick up.
do it, the discworld books are brilliant especially those featuring rincewind or death

The books with the city watch are pretty great, too.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 15, 2020, 10:31:23 PM
Most of the way through Jurassic Park.  Pretty disappointed.  It's one of my favorite movies. 
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Post by: shosta on May 15, 2020, 10:33:22 PM
Does she say "it's UNIX" in the book?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 15, 2020, 10:42:32 PM
Haven't got to the end - but its like that all over.  The writing is really really bad. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 15, 2020, 11:34:24 PM
Ya but I find the movies a lot more forgivable.  The first movie definitely polished up a lot of parts of the book.  Also, the writing is bad in different ways - the kids are even more annoying, Ellie is overly sexualized, every five pages there is a monolog about some science things he doesn't really understand (there is literally object-oriented code written out in the book with two paragraphs explaining that code objects are much like physical objects that can be packaged up and moved around).  Malcom's chaos theory stuff is much more prominent.  The plotting is also a lot more sloppy with some pretty gaping flaws.
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Post by: chronovore on May 16, 2020, 02:08:17 AM
Laundry Files book 1 was pretty good.  Basically 90's cool hacker meets X-Files meets Lovecraft meets bureaucracy parody.  Also, there is a scene that describes a mount Rushmore being carved on an alien moon in another universe only its Hilter.

Stross is a treat. Pick up Accelerando if you haven’t already. If you enjoyed the 9 Princes in Amber, check out Merchant Princes.
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Post by: Pennywise on May 16, 2020, 11:46:35 PM
Started re-reading A song of ice and fire  :goty2
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2020, 06:53:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGU8W72.jpg)

Covers a lot of similar ground as A People's History, but with pretty pictures.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 21, 2020, 07:21:57 PM
The new Murderbot was wonderful.  I love that series so much. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 24, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
Been reading a few books cause that is all I can do with my back out

The Ends of the World: Volcanic Apocalypses, Lethal Oceans, and Our Quest to Understand Earth's Past Mass Extinctions  Really good.  Makes me much more worried about climate change though.

To Be Taught, If Fortunate, too literary for me.  Kinda interesting though.  I like the scifi idea of changing astronauts to match the environment but it gets a bit preachy.  Lots of lines about coming as explorers not colonists etc.  and like fuck no.  The whole point of going to space is to fill the museums with shit that people won't bitch about being returned or whatever.   

Coyote Rage  Only 10% in seems interesting: feels like 80's horror cheese mixed with native American fantasy. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 24, 2020, 10:12:32 PM
I also just bought a textbook on Dinosaurs, which I'm pretty excited about. 
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Post by: Crash Dummy on May 25, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
I also just bought a textbook on Dinosaurs, which I'm pretty excited about.
Coincidentally I signed up for a Coursera thing on dinosaurs while a bunch of courses are free
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Post by: shosta on May 25, 2020, 02:27:55 PM
Reading Hyperion :whoo
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2020, 02:39:09 PM
Reading Hyperion :whoo

Hyperion and its sequel are good stuff.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 26, 2020, 05:52:08 PM
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1080659

might interest Horror fans
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Post by: Dickie Dee on May 27, 2020, 01:24:41 AM
Reading Hyperion :whoo

Hyperion and its sequel are good stuff.

Finding out Dan Simmons is a total piece of shit wss  :brazilcry

Still check out Ilium/Olympos too tho
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2020, 09:18:04 AM
Since I finished up two book on class struggle in the US, I've decided a change of pace is in order:

(https://i.imgur.com/vaXtkv7.jpg)
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Post by: team filler on May 30, 2020, 08:36:00 PM
hyperion  :awesome
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Post by: EchoRin on June 02, 2020, 12:51:11 PM
Internet was in and out over the weekend so it gave me an excuse to leave the digital world and finally get to some reading.

Serving the Servant

(https://www.werd.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Serving-the-Servant-Remembering-Kurt-Cobain.jpg)

Well I'm a massive Nirvana and Kurt Cobain fan. An incredibly important person to me. This book is told from the point of view from the band's manager who was in charge for about the final 3 and a half years of the band's existence (post-Bleach and pre-Nevermind).

It's beautifully written and gives me an even clearer picture on Kurt who this book centers around mostly. there is certainly lots of literature/documentaries out there about the band or Kurt that are also of high quality, but if you haven't read any or seen any, this book is as good of a place to start as any. Some of the things I knew about have more color to them now with Danny's account and other things were completely unknown to me. There is a section in the book after Kurt had already died when Danny and his wife and child are in a limo when they arrive in Seattle for the funeral and stuff and the limo driver tells them a story of how she had driven Kurt a few months back and how he was very kind. She then tells a story of how she told him that her 14 year old son was a fan and Kurt asked where she lived. Since it was on the way to his home he told her they could stop by her place so he could see her son so he could tell him his mom is a very good driver. In the book Danny says that the driver and he both were choked up as she came to the conclusion to her story. Obviously knowing the exact situation that had just transpired I felt a little choked up too.  :'(

Anyways. For a Nirvana fan I say this is essential reading for those wanting a clearer picture of Kurt and also want to know a little more about the music industry as well as a byproduct of who is telling this story. It was a great read.

edit: Side note for my wank-dad brethren. Danny debated massive asshole Dennis Prager apparently sometime in the early 90s and Kurt and Courtney were in the audience to support Danny lol.
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Post by: Bebpo on June 14, 2020, 05:48:04 AM
Started reading Sanderson's second Mistborn series Mistborn - The Alloy of Law and it's short at 300 pages so just over halfway already. It's victorian industrial age (does that make it steampunk?) magic sherlock, which is a very fun light whimsy combination. Digging it a lot.

*edit* apparently google defines this book as a steampunk western. Works for me!
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Post by: shosta on June 15, 2020, 10:44:52 PM
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It no longer matters who consider themselves the masters of events.

Events no longer obey their masters.

The world as we know it is ending, my friends, no matter what happens to us. As for me, I have no request of the Shrike. I bring no final words for it or the universe.

I have returned because I must, because this is my fate. I've known what I must do since I was a child, returning alone to Siri's tomb and swearing vengeance on the Hegemony. I've known what price I must pay, both in life and in history.

But when the time comes to judge, to understand a betrayal which will spread like fame across the Web, which will end worlds, I ask you not to think of me - my name was not even writ on water as your lost poet's soul said - but to think of Old Earth dying for no reason, to think of the dolphins, their gray flesh drying and rotting in the sun, to see - as I have seen - the motile isles with no place to wander, their feeding grounds destroyed, the Equatorial Shallows scabbed with drilling platforms, the islands themselves burdened with shouting, trammeling tourists smelling of UV lotion and cannabis.

Or better yet, think of none of that. Stand as I did after throwing the switch, a murderer, a betrayer, but still proud, feet firmly planted on Hyperion's shifting sand, head held high, fist raised against the sky, crying 'A plague on both your houses!'

For you see, I remember my grandmother's dream. I remember the way it could have been.

I remember Siri.

:lawd
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Post by: Bebpo on June 18, 2020, 04:42:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VRCZG44l.jpg)

Finished Mistborn - The Alloy of Law. Was a good short, light and fun book with gun & magic battles. Enjoyed it a lot more than Way of Kings, like a lot of the other Cosmere stuff. It's just more exciting, witty and fun. I wish I still remembered more of the finer points of the original Mistborn trilogy. Been spending some time on Wiki after finishing it to refresh.

Next Cosmere book is Stormlight 2 - Words of Radiance.

I'm also reading the Pillars of Eternity II novella that just finally came out for backers, so I'll finish that up and get back to Discworld and see if I can finish it (wasn't feeling the beginning that much). Then probably read something else or two (I'm picking up the FFXV Cancelled DLC Season #2 book next week lol), before I jump back into Stormlight.
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Post by: Bebpo on June 26, 2020, 04:32:41 AM
About 2/3rds through Discworld: The Colour of Magic and it's disappointing but has glimpses of goodness. It really needs an editor and is kind of hard to follow a lot of the time. Some of the jokes land and stuff like DEATH is funny as is all the rpg/fantasy spoofing, but yeah overall it just doesn't read that well. Even before I started it I read up a bit on Discworld and the general consensus was that Colour of Magic was one of the weaker books, but you might as well start at the beginning. Will finish it out and maybe read one of the top Discworld books that people recommend for comparison. Either that or go back and replay the two PnC adventure games from my childhood that I don't remember anymore.

Started the Final Fantasy XV Cancelled DLC S2 novel. Only read about 30-50 pages in, but it reads alright and has better storytelling than FFXV managed to achieve in-game. I'm kind of glad that the novel starts with Episode Ardyn before doing the 3 DLC episodes that never got made. That way by comparison with Ep Ardyn I can see how close the novelization is to the actual DLC and get a feel for what the DLC would be like for the other 3. It's a pretty lengthy novel (not surprising for Japanese authors), so might take some time to get through.

And then tonight, because I figured you never know how long you've got left, so might as well enjoy what you want to enjoy instead of saving it for a later time, I started reading The Stormlight Archives Book #2 Words of Radiance and man, this is some good stuff. It's like night and day from book #1 which was like my least favorite Sanderson/Cosmere book so far. That was slooooow and not super interesting, but it did move the pieces around and set everyone up interestingly for book 2 and book 2 right from the start is really satisfying and exciting. All the characters are at cool places and poised for epic stuff, the mysteries are coming to the front, and the PoVs are all coming together, which is kinda unlike GRRM considering this is only the second book and you'd expect more expanding and divergence vs pulling everything together which is usually more for endgame. But I'll take it because it's making this really enjoyable off the start. Probably blow through this book before getting back to finishing Discworld.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2020, 09:29:56 AM
About 2/3rds through Discworld: The Colour of Magic and it's disappointing but has glimpses of goodness. It really needs an editor and is kind of hard to follow a lot of the time. Some of the jokes land and stuff like DEATH is funny as is all the rpg/fantasy spoofing, but yeah overall it just doesn't read that well. Even before I started it I read up a bit on Discworld and the general consensus was that Colour of Magic was one of the weaker books, but you might as well start at the beginning. Will finish it out and maybe read one of the top Discworld books that people recommend for comparison. Either that or go back and replay the two PnC adventure games from my childhood that I don't remember anymore.

I really liked The Color of Magic at the time, but after reading through a big chunk of the later books I would definitely not put it high on my list for the series.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 03, 2020, 02:51:52 PM
Most of the way through The Elementals audiobook.  Really liking it. 
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Post by: shosta on July 03, 2020, 10:12:10 PM
A Canticle for Leibowitz is so deeply poetic. And so funny, too. What an amazing book.

Going to read Camus' The Plague after this.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on July 05, 2020, 04:17:38 AM
re-reading this since it's been a while and it's a short book broken into small chunks so easy to pick up here and there, would recommend
(https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9780/0605/9780060505912.jpg)
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Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2020, 05:07:44 AM
Been staying up until like 2-3am getting 4-5 hours of reading in a night on Stormlight Archives #2 Words of Radiance. I wouldn't even say I love the book and I have minor aggravations with it, but goddamn do you get invested and it's a page turner by midway. Probably haven't been addicted to a book like this since the 2nd/3rd Ice & Fire books. Should finish it tomorrow.
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Post by: Bebpo on July 10, 2020, 06:23:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FqNqqael.jpg)

Finished Stormlight Archives #2 Words of Radiance

Was great. Works almost as a duology in that it pretty much brings to end all the stuff built up in book 1&2 by the end. Exciting, epic with some great big moments. The series feels like Song of Ice & Fire if it was a well-written jrpg with some anime moments. Which fits my tastes pretty well. Would definitely recommend the first two books even if the pacing is kinda slowww in book 1 and even 2 has pacing issues. Book 2 is much, much better than Book 1 though.

Of all the Sanderson Cosmere books I've read so far, this was probably the most epic. I still like Warbreaker the best so far, but this is up there.
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Post by: shosta on July 13, 2020, 01:46:34 AM
It's been a while since I've read it and I remember enjoying it when I did but what was even the point of Post Office? :lol All I can remember is some wacky gambling, one rape, a couple of bad marriages, and a heart in a jar.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 13, 2020, 04:59:40 AM
The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis (same guy who did Moneyball and The Big Short). It's a book about the transition and political appointments made by Trump to the departments of energy, agriculture and commerce. i'm like 1/4 of the way in and it's both super interesting and super depressing/frightening.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on July 13, 2020, 06:46:05 AM
It's been a while since I've read it and I remember enjoying it when I did but what was even the point of Post Office? :lol All I can remember is some wacky gambling, one rape, a couple of bad marriages, and a heart in a jar.
i remember never wanting to read bukowski again
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Post by: Transhuman on July 13, 2020, 07:48:03 AM
It's been a while since I've read it and I remember enjoying it when I did but what was even the point of Post Office? :lol All I can remember is some wacky gambling, one rape, a couple of bad marriages, and a heart in a jar.
i remember never wanting to read bukowski again

"I considered suicide, but I felt a strange fondness for my body, my life. Scarred as they were, they were mine."

Ham on Rye is a good book, but that's the only part I particularly remember
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Post by: Tasty on July 13, 2020, 10:39:44 AM
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 13, 2020, 10:45:56 PM
Peace Talks is out tomorrow.  I read the fist 6 chapters cause they are up on his site.  Hyped.
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Post by: Bebpo on July 14, 2020, 11:08:59 PM
About 2/3rds through Discworld: The Colour of Magic and it's disappointing but has glimpses of goodness. It really needs an editor and is kind of hard to follow a lot of the time. Some of the jokes land and stuff like DEATH is funny as is all the rpg/fantasy spoofing, but yeah overall it just doesn't read that well. Even before I started it I read up a bit on Discworld and the general consensus was that Colour of Magic was one of the weaker books, but you might as well start at the beginning. Will finish it out and maybe read one of the top Discworld books that people recommend for comparison. Either that or go back and replay the two PnC adventure games from my childhood that I don't remember anymore.

I really liked The Color of Magic at the time, but after reading through a big chunk of the later books I would definitely not put it high on my list for the series.

I finished Colour of Magic and didn't care for it. I just found a lot of it pretty boring. The set pieces moved from one to another quickly in a way that nothing was ever developed and nobody was interesting. It's mainly just Rincewind going "oh no!" and running from things in kind of a sequence of looney toons-esque situations one after another with Twoflower and the luggage chasing them. There were interesting bits like the mind dragons castle in the third story and the spaceship stuff in the 4th but I felt like the endings to all these stories just...end. I think I liked the intro story the best.

Since it ends on a cliffhanger, I started reading a summary of book #2 and it just didn't grab me. I don't think this series is for me at all. I was expecting something closer to Douglas Adam's Hitchiker series in humor, and this is very different. I read Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw's fantasy comedy novel Mogworld some years ago and honestly it was more what I wanted out of Discworld as a fantasy series that's a parody of the fantasy genre and the humor clicked way better.

Which reminds me, I should probably read more of Yahtzee's books. I see he has like 3 or 4 other novels he did.
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Post by: Rufus on July 15, 2020, 01:29:41 AM
The books centred around Death, Sam Vimes, or Nanny Ogg might be more interesting to you.

My favourite is Small Gods, which I think is a lot more more focused. It's been twenty years since I've read these (and I've only read six or so), so...
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Post by: shosta on July 15, 2020, 01:43:21 AM
Finished The Plague... it was good but a bit overrated.
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Post by: team filler on July 15, 2020, 05:58:48 AM
https://twitter.com/Audible_ind/status/1283327372528218113
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2020, 09:35:48 AM
So Peace Talks wasn't the best but it reads very much like Part 1 of a 2 parter so I'll wait until Battle Ground for final judgement. 
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Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2020, 07:58:37 PM
The books centred around Death, Sam Vimes, or Nanny Ogg might be more interesting to you.

My favourite is Small Gods, which I think is a lot more more focused. It's been twenty years since I've read these (and I've only read six or so), so...

Maybe I'll check those out at some point. I like Death in the book. Was a fun character.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2020, 08:07:08 PM
About 2/3rds through Discworld: The Colour of Magic and it's disappointing but has glimpses of goodness. It really needs an editor and is kind of hard to follow a lot of the time. Some of the jokes land and stuff like DEATH is funny as is all the rpg/fantasy spoofing, but yeah overall it just doesn't read that well. Even before I started it I read up a bit on Discworld and the general consensus was that Colour of Magic was one of the weaker books, but you might as well start at the beginning. Will finish it out and maybe read one of the top Discworld books that people recommend for comparison. Either that or go back and replay the two PnC adventure games from my childhood that I don't remember anymore.

I really liked The Color of Magic at the time, but after reading through a big chunk of the later books I would definitely not put it high on my list for the series.

I finished Colour of Magic and didn't care for it. I just found a lot of it pretty boring. The set pieces moved from one to another quickly in a way that nothing was ever developed and nobody was interesting. It's mainly just Rincewind going "oh no!" and running from things in kind of a sequence of looney toons-esque situations one after another with Twoflower and the luggage chasing them. There were interesting bits like the mind dragons castle in the third story and the spaceship stuff in the 4th but I felt like the endings to all these stories just...end. I think I liked the intro story the best.

Since it ends on a cliffhanger, I started reading a summary of book #2 and it just didn't grab me. I don't think this series is for me at all. I was expecting something closer to Douglas Adam's Hitchiker series in humor, and this is very different. I read Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw's fantasy comedy novel Mogworld some years ago and honestly it was more what I wanted out of Discworld as a fantasy series that's a parody of the fantasy genre and the humor clicked way better.

Which reminds me, I should probably read more of Yahtzee's books. I see he has like 3 or 4 other novels he did.

The first two Discworld books especially are "goofy fantasy tropes" adventures without much that's deeper than that. But a lot of the later books, especially ones with the Watch, lean much more into satire and social commentary [while still being funny] and are just better written stories overall.
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Post by: curly on July 15, 2020, 08:09:50 PM
The books centred around Death, Sam Vimes, or Nanny Ogg might be more interesting to you.

My favourite is Small Gods, which I think is a lot more more focused. It's been twenty years since I've read these (and I've only read six or so), so...

Second the Small Gods rec, it's much more representative of what the series is like at it's best. If you don't like that one you can probably write off the rest.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2020, 08:11:27 PM
Also, there's a book where Death gets fired and becomes a farmer, which you should definitely read. It's called Reaper Man.
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Post by: shosta on July 19, 2020, 03:53:41 AM
Dog of the South is the funniest, and perhaps even the best, novel I have ever read in my entire life. I need to read Masters of Atlantis and Gringos before the year ends.

I've finally decided to tackle Foucault's Pendulum 😬. And I've roped Chronovore (I think) into rereading it with me. Someone wish me luck.
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Post by: Transhuman on July 19, 2020, 04:25:14 AM
So I finished Columbine (2009, Dave Cullen) and I'm going to be in a mood for a while.

All the mythology and media coverage was wrong, which is frustrating in itself. Eric Harris was just a textbook psychopath from a very early age, Dylan Klebold was an angry suicidal depressive, they were bullies more than bullied, and this was a long running plan they had. There was no snapping point. There was no goths vs jocks shit. They both spoke often about murder and mass murder in their journals for YEARS leading up to the event.

https://youtu.be/AZix8_7f_lY

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/june99/columbine12.htm

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"A lot of the tension in the school came from the class above us," Laughlin insists. "There were people fearful of walking by a table where you knew you didn't belong, stuff like that. Certain groups certainly got preferential treatment across the board. I caught the tail end of one really horrible incident, and I know Dylan told his mother that it was the worst day of his life."

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"People surrounded them in the commons and squirted ketchup packets all over them, laughing at them, calling them tacos," Brown says. "That happened while teachers watched. They couldn't fight back. They wore the ketchup all day and went home covered with it."

Does it mention that in the book? I havn't read it but a lot of Columbine enthusiasts (for lack of a better word) say the book got that completely wrong. I guess for a lot of people it's easier to just wrap it up and say "they were born psychopaths, there was nothing anyone could have done".
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Post by: Mandark on July 19, 2020, 04:45:34 AM
The bullying narrative sure seemed pretty "easy" for people, given how absolutely predominant it was.
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Post by: team filler on July 19, 2020, 05:15:20 AM
I'm just gonna agree with mandi he got a phd in bullying  :trumps
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Post by: Transhuman on July 19, 2020, 05:20:37 AM
I don't think anyone professing sympathy for the killers could be said to be pushing an easy narrative, especially in 1999. Blaming Doom however...
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Post by: chronovore on July 19, 2020, 08:11:46 PM
I can’t believe I read all of that.
 :existential

As for the parents leader recognizing that there were more red flags they should have seen, hindsight is consistently more keen than being in the moment.
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Post by: chronovore on July 20, 2020, 01:58:52 AM
Yeah, that's shitty. Sadly, we're not legally able to hold them responsible for the little monster they created and ignored.
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Post by: Tasty on July 22, 2020, 10:00:51 PM
I got Lindsay Ellis' new book Axiom's End, mostly because I wanted to see a breakdown and her overview video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuRE55YH8yE) of the journey to get it published was very informative on a subject I didn't know much about (traditional publishing of genre fiction.) And I figured reading it would be good for any post-publishing discussion she does, since I always love seeing how a story comes together (what makes it into various drafts and why, etc.)

A couple chapters in, and here's the thing...

It's... bad. :doge I honestly like her as a creative, but it's worse than I thought it would be... by a significant margin. I'm hoping the writing becomes less LiveJournal-y as I go on, but I don't know why the first couple chapters would lead the book with... that level of quality.

My friend's self-published novel (mentioned earlier ITT) was honestly an easier read, and I know for a fact it had less people/editors/quality checkers before it got released... Crazy. Also, encouraging.

Maybe the story itself will be the highlight... Here's hoping.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 22, 2020, 10:06:42 PM
That's disappointing, i was planning on getting it to support her.
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Post by: EchoRin on July 28, 2020, 03:13:56 AM
Michael Balzary (Flea) - Acid for the Children

(https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781455530533_p0_v4_s550x406.jpg)

Red Hot Chili Peppers bassist and founding memeber Flea wrote a memoir that covers his life from birth to the very first RHCP gig.
A very fun and entertaining read as one might predict. Lot more conversational than the biography by bandmate Anthony "Antoine the Swan" Kiedis. Not nearly as fucked up, but still compared to anyone I have ever met... well, fucked up  :lol. I love how everything is just short little tales that sometimes last only a page or 2. It's a really easy read that you can pick up at any time. It's almost like you are just hanging out and asking him to tell you stories from his youth.

Also, the vast vast majority of the material here is completely new. Probably because it omits the actual "I'm now a rockstar" bit which is usually pretty well documented. But these various tender or messed up tales up to like 23 or so are mostly brand new. I love how extremely vulnerable the book is. I like that even as an elder statesmen of rock, Flea is still young at heart and his mind is still firing on all cylinders. He ain't no old crab set in his ways. Has he fucked up along the way? Way too many times. Is he fully aware? Yes and he tries to improve himself sincerely. It comes through in the book.

Also dig that at the end he writes down little lists of concerts that really moved him, records, and books too. He's a very avid reader. And as you learn in the book that was a hobby of his since childhood. He'd probably enjoy this thread.  :)
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Post by: Bebpo on August 05, 2020, 11:52:03 PM
About 60% through Mistborn Saga #2 - Wax & Wayne - Book #2 Shadows of Self. It's good but not as fun as the simple first book and not as interesting as the first Misborn trilogy. Still enjoyable and will see where it goes. Should finish it over the weekend. These are short 400 page or less books.
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Post by: chronovore on August 07, 2020, 10:37:54 PM
Michael Balzary (Flea) - Acid for the Children

(https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9781455530533_p0_v4_s550x406.jpg)

Red Hot Chili Peppers bassist and founding memeber Flea wrote a memoir that covers his life from birth to the very first RHCP gig.
A very fun and entertaining read as one might predict. Lot more conversational than the biography by bandmate Anthony "Antoine the Swan" Kiedis. Not nearly as fucked up, but still compared to anyone I have ever met... well, fucked up  :lol. I love how everything is just short little tales that sometimes last only a page or 2. It's a really easy read that you can pick up at any time. It's almost like you are just hanging out and asking him to tell you stories from his youth.

Also, the vast vast majority of the material here is completely new. Probably because it omits the actual "I'm now a rockstar" bit which is usually pretty well documented. But these various tender or messed up tales up to like 23 or so are mostly brand new. I love how extremely vulnerable the book is. I like that even as an elder statesmen of rock, Flea is still young at heart and his mind is still firing on all cylinders. He ain't no old crab set in his ways. Has he fucked up along the way? Way too many times. Is he fully aware? Yes and he tries to improve himself sincerely. It comes through in the book.

Also dig that at the end he writes down little lists of concerts that really moved him, records, and books too. He's a very avid reader. And as you learn in the book that was a hobby of his since childhood. He'd probably enjoy this thread.  :)

I'm a huge RHCP fan, and I'll have to read this. To tell the truth, Kiedis' Scar Tissue bio showed him to be such a narcissistic, mentally abusive, fuckstain that it's caused me to enjoy their music less than before. I've always felt Flea is the stronger character of the two. Chad Smith seems like a good guy, and a tremendous talent, but his superpower seems to be "don't get caught up in Flea and Kiedis' drama."
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Post by: Cryo on August 08, 2020, 10:14:53 AM
I got Lindsay Ellis' new book Axiom's End, mostly because I wanted to see a breakdown and her overview video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuRE55YH8yE) of the journey to get it published was very informative on a subject I didn't know much about (traditional publishing of genre fiction.) And I figured reading it would be good for any post-publishing discussion she does, since I always love seeing how a story comes together (what makes it into various drafts and why, etc.)

A couple chapters in, and here's the thing...

It's... bad. :doge I honestly like her as a creative, but it's worse than I thought it would be... by a significant margin. I'm hoping the writing becomes less LiveJournal-y as I go on, but I don't know why the first couple chapters would lead the book with... that level of quality.

My friend's self-published novel (mentioned earlier ITT) was honestly an easier read, and I know for a fact it had less people/editors/quality checkers before it got released... Crazy. Also, encouraging.

Maybe the story itself will be the highlight... Here's hoping.
I’m about halfway through and the first few chapters are indicative of Cora’s baseline emotional state, which is what I think she was trying to go for. I’d keep going, it’s been a fun read so far.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on August 11, 2020, 04:36:49 AM
despite being published in only 2010, it already feels oddly dated and quaint against everything going on in the world currently like how we've moved beyond framing things in an immunological sense and are in a post-foucaldian society where we've shifted from disciplinarian to achievement. still, it's interesting enough and a short read, especially the final chapter
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Post by: shosta on August 14, 2020, 04:00:14 AM
Reread American Psycho. I thought it was just boring and gratuitous and transgressive at first but I was satisfied with where it went. Great book.
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Post by: chronovore on August 14, 2020, 08:08:20 AM
Finishing the 2nd Sandman Slim book, kill the dead.

Done with this franchise.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 14, 2020, 09:46:25 AM
Oh that's disapointing, heard it was a good series.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 14, 2020, 10:29:19 AM
Do you guys bail on books or finish them out of completion?

I finished Mistborn Shadows of Self and it was good and solid and then started Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw's 2nd novel JAM about a flesh eating jam taking over Brisbane and a rag tag group of slackers have to survive it and I'm 100 pages in out of 300 pages and it's really boring. I remember his first book Mogworld about a zombie who gets raised by a necromancer in an MMO and has self-awareness being pretty good and entertaining, but while this one has funny humour moments, generally despite a funny premise it's a bunch of boring characters doing boring things.

Given that's there's only 200 pages left I'm tempted to just power/skim through and finish it, especially because I hear his 3rd book a sci-fi parody "Will Save the Galaxy for Food" is supposed to be his best of his novels,

But part of me feels like it's just a waste of time spending nights reading a book you're bored of when you could be reading something better. Thoughts?
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Post by: Transhuman on August 14, 2020, 10:36:27 AM
Marie Kondo would tell you to burn it.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on August 14, 2020, 11:09:41 AM
Do you guys bail on books or finish them out of completion?

I finished Mistborn Shadows of Self and it was good and solid and then started Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw's 2nd novel JAM about a flesh eating jam taking over Brisbane and a rag tag group of slackers have to survive it and I'm 100 pages in out of 300 pages and it's really boring. I remember his first book Mogworld about a zombie who gets raised by a necromancer in an MMO and has self-awareness being pretty good and entertaining, but while this one has funny humour moments, generally despite a funny premise it's a bunch of boring characters doing boring things.

Given that's there's only 200 pages left I'm tempted to just power/skim through and finish it, especially because I hear his 3rd book a sci-fi parody "Will Save the Galaxy for Food" is supposed to be his best of his novels,

But part of me feels like it's just a waste of time spending nights reading a book you're bored of when you could be reading something better. Thoughts?
i used to force myself to finish any book i started even if i wasn't having fun with it but as i got older i stopped giving a shit and have no problem dropping something after 50-60 pages if it isn't grabbing me
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2020, 11:40:35 AM
Also lmao at how this book essentially about how the United States has been built upon slavery, theft, massacres, lying to friends, breaking agreements, oppressing women and minorities at every step of the way for centuries and so on, somehow gets most exceptionally cynical about this country in the the period of the 1970s-1990s where the book basically becomes just a series of "this shit never changes, every fucked up policy of destruction and interference with other nations and fucking over the poor and minorities at home stays in place no matter which party is in charge, no matter what they say on record, fuck this country" :lol

but also :goty


EDIT: Has there been any US intervention post WW2 that benefited the country in question in any way at all

This isn't the bad vibes thread, breh. :juicy
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Post by: Crash Dummy on August 22, 2020, 09:37:25 AM
Does anyone here use goodreads? Is it any good for getting recommendations?
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Post by: EchoRin on August 22, 2020, 10:37:35 AM

I'm a huge RHCP fan, and I'll have to read this. To tell the truth, Kiedis' Scar Tissue bio showed him to be such a narcissistic, mentally abusive, fuckstain that it's caused me to enjoy their music less than before. I've always felt Flea is the stronger character of the two. Chad Smith seems like a good guy, and a tremendous talent, but his superpower seems to be "don't get caught up in Flea and Kiedis' drama."

Frankly all of them were pretty big assholes in their time. Chad Smith too from some of the things I've seen and read particularly in the earlier days. This seemed to mostly go away by the time we are in the mid 90s from what I can tell. But yeah that sleazeball cock rock stuff from the 70s poured over to the Chili Peppers in their wilder days. It's kind of part of the conflict with this band too. They may have strived for better than how they acted (the subject matter in songs. How they reflect in interviews about various subjects, heck in these books), but they definitely fucked up way too many times. Definitely lots of shitty behavior they more or less got away with that probably wouldn't have been kinda brushed aside a decade latter.

I can't speak for John or Chad as I never read much about their upbringing, but you can see how people like Flea or Anthony turned out to be fuck ups even if they had desire to be better people. A sort of do as I say not as a I do thing. the blokes were lucky to be blessed with so many second chances.
It's sort of like how a dog that was raised badly is now in a loving good environment, but still resorts to some of that bad behavior from their early days because bad habits die hard kind of thing. I get that impression with how the band treated others from time to time up till say the mid 90s now and then.

https://thegrayishcarpet.com/2016/04/20/blood-sugar-sex-dickheads/

https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/12/12/the-flaming-habaneros/

This shit starting at 2:20 (https://youtu.be/7i_22PrQsp8)

yeah... I have lots of love for the Chilis, but they got a checkered past of bullshit.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 22, 2020, 10:47:32 AM
Does anyone here use goodreads? Is it any good for getting recommendations?

Yes and kinda.  I prefer reddit for fantasy, horror, and history recs.  The scifi subreddits suck though.
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Post by: shosta on August 22, 2020, 05:45:06 PM
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It took me weeks but I'm finally finished :mjcry. I can do about half of the problems in this book now... that number gets smaller in the chapter on factorization in integral domains and my brain nearly melted in the chapter on Galois Theory :heh but I fucking did it, I'm done :stahp

now to get drunk off my ass for a couple of days and then try Munkres :killme

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Post by: Crash Dummy on August 27, 2020, 10:19:03 AM
Does anyone here use goodreads? Is it any good for getting recommendations?

Yes and kinda.  I prefer reddit for fantasy, horror, and history recs.  The scifi subreddits suck though.
oh speaking of scifi, is the three-body problem any good? last scifi i read was starship titanic like 10 years and a colleague keeps recommending this to me
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Post by: Propagandhim on August 27, 2020, 10:31:21 AM
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Were on my plate the past few months
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 12, 2020, 03:10:47 PM
Let's see, since last book, finished

Mistborn Series #2, Book #3 of 4 - The Bands of Mourning by Brandon Sanderson - This was great. It was a grand Indiana Jones-esque adventure with comedy, action, detective work, good characters and a good length. The first book in this new series was a fun short pulp steampunk western w/magic and the second book was not very good and was a short dark Victorian-era political murder mystery, but this third book really rebounded well with a big adventure that pretty much hit all the notes. Liked it a lot and had some interesting updates to the overall lore of the Mistborn books and hints at Sanderson's Cosmere universe. The setup for the final book is solid and makes it seem like it will be very Cosmere lore heavy, so looking forward to that when it comes out hopefully next fall. Feels weird finally being caught up on one of the active Sanderson mini-series within Cosmere. Only 2 books left in my full Cosmere catch-up read. Arcanum Unbound short novella collection and then Stormlight Book #3 Oathbringer. Book #4 Rhythm of War lands mid-November so should be caught up in time no problem.

Tetris by Box Brown. I saw they were making a new movie based on the story of Tetris and I'd owned this book in my backlog but hadn't read it. Turns out it's a graphic novel! Hadn't even flipped it open before and discovered that. Read it in one sitting last night after finishing the above. Was good, especially if you're familiar with the game industry and all the people and companies involved. Even knowing that stuff I still found it pretty hard to follow the legal trail of IP ownership (it's very confusing), but the characters and stories within were really interesting. Will watch the movie.

Does anyone here use goodreads? Is it any good for getting recommendations?

Yeah, I find it pretty helpful for recommendations. If I wasn't lazy I'd make an account myself.

Also check authors you enjoy, often they have their own good read page of books they like and you might find some good stuff from it. Like I read the first Discworld book Colour of Magic and didn't care for it and bailed on the series, and the only other Terry Pratchett book I had read was Good Omens and loved it, and I'd heard one of the top ones was Men at Arms, book #2 in the City Watch series. Kept it in the back of my mind and then I was checking out Brandson Sanderson's goodread recommendations page where he lists only 5-star books that he felt were great and takes inspiration in his writing from and he had Terry Pratchett's Men at Arms on it.

In his review he said something to the effect of I was late to Discworld and started with the first book Colour of Magic which people say isn't the best place to start and it wasn't a very good book and I bailed. I read Good Omens and loved it and wanted to give Discworld another try and then people told me Men at Arms was one of the top-tier Pratchett/Discworld books and I read it and it was totally fantastic.

Since that basically lined up 1:1 with my experience and I like Sanderon's writing style, it made me think I'd probably like Men at Arms a lot if I gave it a shot so I picked it up and am about to start it.
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Post by: team filler on September 14, 2020, 09:04:14 AM
sandmann companion by hy bender

alan moore's favorite neil gaiman anecdote is just the story of how moore trolled gaiman and the best part is right at the end where he says "I remember looking down , with no sympathy for him whatsoever, and just chuckling and saying "neil scary trouser gaiman, master of modern terror"  :snob

seems appropriate right now  ::)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 14, 2020, 11:14:15 AM
I'm 40% through my Dinosaur textbook.  Guys don't know if you know this, but dinosaurs are pretty cool. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: EchoRin on September 17, 2020, 02:13:48 PM
About a Boy by Nick Hornby

Loved it. Second book of his that I read. The previous one was How to be Good. I think I enjoyed this one more. Especially once all the main characters finally bump into each other. The start when some key players are doing their thing before they all meet had me kinda lukewarm. Of course me being a Nirvana fan helped when it became clear that Kurt was a big part of this book in an indirect way. Funny how that worked out for me.

I suppose I see myself a little bit in both the characters of Will and Marcus. I'm more of a Will now of course without the strange romantic relationship strategies. Once I got to the second half of the book I was pretty much reading it everyday. I like the subject matter in this book and the odd relationships. They shouldn't work on paper. Heck they seem all wrong if you just described it, but the way it all plays out makes sense and you see how these types of individuals would get caught up in this oddball friendship/acquaintanceship.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2020, 07:25:20 AM
Terry Goodkind died.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 24, 2020, 08:13:27 AM
https://twitter.com/RealCliveBarker/status/1308922851462909952
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 24, 2020, 09:50:46 AM
Never did read any Terry Goodkind, even though I was all about reading fantasy back when he came on the scene.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 25, 2020, 02:34:43 AM
Terry Goodkind is apparently pretty much a horrible jerk. His politics lean hardcore into very conservative libertarianism, or something like that. A friend of mine did a bunch of research on him and just went off on him a couple years back. I’ll see if I can’t find something on it over the weekend. But anyhow: fuck him.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 25, 2020, 04:12:04 AM
Almost finished with Discworld - Men at Arms, it's a good book. Not that hilarious though it has some funny bits, but a good cast of characters, a fun murder mystery story and a well fleshed out setting. While I didn't like Colour of Magic, I'd like to read more good Discworld books like this.

Probably read Mort next, since a book starring Death sounds fun. Up for more city watch adventures too.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 25, 2020, 08:33:50 AM
Terry Goodkind is apparently pretty much a horrible jerk. His politics lean hardcore into very conservative libertarianism, or something like that. A friend of mine did a bunch of research on him and just went off on him a couple years back. I’ll see if I can’t find something on it over the weekend. But anyhow: fuck him.

A quick google search said he was a proponent of Ayn Rand's Objectivism. So yeah, probably a huge piece of crap.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: EchoRin on September 25, 2020, 05:39:05 PM
 Not very good or kind, eh? Heh heh heh.  8)

... I'll show myself out the door  :-\
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2020, 05:48:42 PM
Terry Goodkind is apparently pretty much a horrible jerk. His politics lean hardcore into very conservative libertarianism, or something like that. A friend of mine did a bunch of research on him and just went off on him a couple years back. I’ll see if I can’t find something on it over the weekend. But anyhow: fuck him.

I think I might have read that article before. :neogaf
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 27, 2020, 02:44:50 PM
Finished up Terry Pratchett's Men at Arms. Yep, liked this one. Liked the cast mostly, story was alright and I still find Pratchett's writing a bit hard to follow even at this point in his career 15 books into Discworld. It's mostly easier to follow than book #1, but he loves to flip PoVs all the time between characters without so much as a paragraph break. There's definitely times where I'm not sure who is talking and then have to back up.

Still it's pretty readable and a fun good story. Liked the Trolls & the Dwarves a lot. Will check out some more books at some point. Next few books I'm reading are pretty stacked since I've got my reads planned out through Stormlight Archive #4's release mid-November. After that in December have no reading plans so probably will read Mort then.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on September 27, 2020, 10:31:49 PM
Terry Goodkind is apparently pretty much a horrible jerk. His politics lean hardcore into very conservative libertarianism, or something like that. A friend of mine did a bunch of research on him and just went off on him a couple years back. I’ll see if I can’t find something on it over the weekend. But anyhow: fuck him.

I think I might have read that article before. :neogaf

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R5ARZGHU0G3HR?ref=pf_ov_at_pdctrvw_srp
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2020, 10:39:44 PM
Bless you for bringing us this good food, chrono. :lawd
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Post by: chronovore on September 29, 2020, 11:03:21 PM
Bless you for bringing us this good food, chrono. :lawd

Read more of Tevis’ reviews for continued fun:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AG2KGUWJ64L77AL67LE25ROY2HMA/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_gw_btm?ie=UTF8
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Post by: team filler on October 11, 2020, 09:29:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FBiYgVR.jpg)

about a third of the way through. enjoying, but wish I could sit in my car near a beach and just binge read.


interesting read so far. the characters seem so real, and it's fiction! 8)
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Post by: Bebpo on October 15, 2020, 04:25:51 AM
Finished up Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere Novella collection Arcanum Unbounded

Absolutely fantastic read. So much variety in the novellas and Mistborn Secret History was a daaaaaaaaamn good true ending route finale to the original Mistborn trilogy. Sixth of Dusk and Shadows of Silence were cool horror-ish tales, Emperor's Soul which I'd read before and was re-reading is still great and Edgedancer the Stormlight Novella linking Book #2 and Book #3 was great. Even the White Sands graphic novel was alright.

At this point I've read every Cosmere story outside Stormlight book #3. Gonna start that soon and then jump into book #4 when it releases next month on the 17th.

Pretty much a big fan of Cosmere at this point. It's fantastic and the speed and quality which Sanderson writes to keep it moving is crazy but also great. Feels like a better version of the MCU of books with a couple new entries every year and building up for crazier stuff.

Would highly recommend Cosmere to anyone that likes Sci-fi/fantasy. There's a lot of good starting points, but overall my feeling is Sanderson started off solid but didn't get really great until ~2009 with Warbreaker and almost everything in Cosmere since has been fantastic.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 15, 2020, 08:32:54 AM
Bebpo do you collect physical books?  Subterrian press just sent me an email about leather bound copies of The Way of Kings.  Subterrian does a lot of speical editions of fantasy books and I know the Malazan ones are now extreamly valuable.   

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We've locked in copies of the signed leatherbound edition of Brandon Sanderson's The Way of Kings, which will be published in two volumes.

Important: The Way of Kings must be ordered by itself. Do not include any other books or products in the same order.

When packed, this two volume set will weigh in at nine pounds or more. The postage costs, especially for our international customers, will be substantial.

About the Book:

The Dragonsteel edition of The Way of Kings consists of two volumes bound in premium bonded-leather, and the pages are smyth-sewn, not glued like most regular books.

The Way of Kings is printed in two-color offset inks on quality, acid-free paper, includes a bound-in satin-ribbon bookmark, gilded pages, and two-color foiling on the cover. A 24-page four-color offset art gallery starts off the edition and features never-before seen artwork and fanart. 

We’ve made this book a beautiful match for Mistborn: The Final Empire, Well of Ascension, and The Hero of Ages.

First Printing. Brand new leather-bound hardcover, signed by Brandon Sanderson: $200
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Post by: Bebpo on October 15, 2020, 12:54:28 PM
Yeah, I followed the kickstarter. Signed up for $1 to add on a physical version of the new novella for $16 afterwards.

I don't mind digital and read some stuff that way, but I actually find physical books easier to read so I still get physical for most stuff. But I'm not a collector in the sense of spending $200 for some fancy version of the book that's otherwise $20 or less.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2020, 07:24:02 AM
Bunch of Cornell University Press ebooks for free you libarts people

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=%22cornell+university+press%22&i=digital-text&s=price-asc-rank&qid=1608629137&ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank
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Post by: Bebpo on December 25, 2020, 09:10:01 PM
Finished The Stormlight Archives - Book #3 Oathbringer

(https://i.imgur.com/JiG1qSyh.jpg)


Damn, 1233 pages and 2 months later, what a ride. This was such a good book oh man. Really good characters, world building, pacing, epic, epic stuff, tons of characters, lots of action & mysteries, lots of fantasy elements. Book #2 was really good, but also had very stop/start pacing which was a bit frustrating. Book #3 is just good solid pacing and then conclusion.

Also I'm impressed how books 2/3 felt very conclusive standalone despite being part of a larger story. I see books #1-2 as being the first arc and book #3 feels like a complete arc in one book.

So far books 1-3 for me have been:

Way of Kings - 3/4
Words of Radiance 3.5/4
Oathbringer 4/4

Definitely gets me hyped up for Book #4 which came out last month. This series feels like the Lord of the Rings/Dune, big top-class epic fantasy series for the current generation. I think Oathbringer was one of the best books I've ever read.
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Post by: Potato on December 25, 2020, 10:19:59 PM
Reading this:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/515eoqyAAmL._SY346_.jpg)

In preparation for this:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/513G1TW7iXL.jpg)


So I don't get spoiled when I watch season 4.
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Post by: Cryo on December 26, 2020, 05:36:47 AM
Reading this:
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In preparation for this:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/513G1TW7iXL.jpg)


So I don't get spoiled when I watch season 4.
I liked the book a lot more than the show depiction to be honest, mostly because you get a lot of cool insight into the biology of the flora & fauna of the planet which didn’t really fit in the show.
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Post by: MMaRsu on December 26, 2020, 06:20:20 AM
I got William Gibsons Neuromancer as a christmas gift  :D

Now only to read it
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on December 26, 2020, 09:05:35 AM
I'm actually a little concerned going into book 4/S4 of The Expanse because I've absolutely loved the political intrigue aspect and Avasarala is by far my favourite character along with Fred Johnson and the whole OPA thing. I hope it doesn't lose that grounding and turn into some shitty space opera thing. I have faith it won't, but I'm still concerned.
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Post by: archnemesis on December 26, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
I got William Gibsons Neuromancer as a christmas gift  :D
The sequels were on my wishlist. Instead I got a second copy of Neuromancer.

It's a great novel and I'll pass it on to someone who hasn't read it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 29, 2020, 04:39:30 AM
Started on Stand on Zanzibar. I'm loving the worldbuilding.

It's incredibly cynical and the little paragraphs consisting of "future" advertisement, newspaper bits and thinkpieces hit way closer to home than they have any right to.

And that was just reading the first 20 pages.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 29, 2020, 11:36:03 AM
I've been devouring everything I can find from Adrian Tchaikovsky, Probably my fav SciFi/speculative fiction writer now that Iain Banks has passed and Dan Simmons has rightwing brain worms.

I'd recommend Children of Time to just about anyone (except maybe Arachnophobes). It works as a stand-alone book but it's "sequel," Children if Ruin (which is more of a parallel story) is just as good.

Both books have some of the best depictions of alternate forms of sentience and sapiens I've ever come across.

Don't want to spoil too much as I knew very little going in and I think that heightened my enjoyment of it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 31, 2020, 10:17:55 PM
Read the first 2/3rds of His Majesty's Dragon today - enjoying it a lot.  Basically a more (young) adult version of How to Train Your Dragon so far but during the Napoleonic Wars.  It's really formulaic but that's fine. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2021, 03:21:45 AM
Finished Sanderson's novella Dawnshard that is Stormlight Archives 3.5 like the Edgedancer novella was 2.5 between books 2->3. Was alright. Probably the least interesting story of the Stormlight stuff, but still a good read.

Will start Book #4 Rhythm of War pretty soon.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 11, 2021, 04:28:25 AM
Finished up Cibola Burn. It was ok. Probably my least favourite in the series so far.

Started up on Terry Pratchett's The Last Continent. Been looking forward to this one because it is a satirical look at Australia.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2021, 12:17:36 PM
I've been trying to read Susanna Clarke's Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell. It popped up for January's book for one of the online book clubs I'm in and I've had the book sitting around for a decade and in the meantime they've made a tv show and everything.

Thought it would a nice break book from Sanderon's Cosmere stuff. But then it's eight hundred pages long, and it's dense af. I haven't been enjoying it and it's been taking some time because the pages/paragraphs are really, really dense and it's dry, slow & boring like an old boring period piece. But I figure I'd give it 50 pages and I'm 41 pages in now after the intro stuff finally finished. Pretty sure I'm gonna drop it and move to something else. Might cheat for the book club and watch the tv adaptation if I read that it's good & pretty close.

Found this on google which sounds like the book is pretty slow and doesn't pick up until about 300 pages in -_-
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/9srque/jonathan_strange_mr_norrell_im_bored_out_of_my/

Also read up on the BBC adaptation which and the reviews say it's very good and accurate and almost flawless adaptation in 7 parts.

I think I'm gonna bail and watch the show.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 12, 2021, 01:52:29 PM
I listened to the audio book of Jonathan Strange. It was great, but I can see how reading might be a different prospect. I would say stick with it for a little longer, but if you're not feeling it, watch the show.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2021, 02:18:32 PM
I love the concept of audiobooks, but the only time I ever got into them was when I had a commute to listen to in the car. Otherwise I don't see when I'd have time to listen. I can't imagine listening in bed at night when I would normally read, just staring at the ceiling.

Probably doesn't help I can't multi-task with audio. So like I can't be working at the computer or playing a game that I'm paying attention to while also paying attention to an audiobook being read. Driving is pretty brainless so it's the one place I can pay attention to audio and multi-task.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 12, 2021, 07:04:59 PM
I'm the same. Audio books for me were great when I was commuting by bus or car and just wanted to zone out.

I must say though that the Jonathan Strange one is exceptional and worth the effort.
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Post by: Tasty on January 12, 2021, 07:22:21 PM
I let books be (e)books, and keep the audio fare to podcasts (when I'm smoking up, 'nache.)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2021, 10:07:05 PM
So I tried to find out which streaming service even has the BBC show and someone linked me to goodreel and it said it was on Netflix, so I re-subbed to Netflix after a half year away

...and it's not on Netflix  :doge

Well I was gonna resub in a couple weeks for the Euphoria guy's movie anyhow, so I guess that's fine. Ended up just buying the show digitally on Amazon. Gonna try watching a couple eps and if it gets me more invested I might go back to the book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2021, 03:39:17 AM
Watched ep1, thought it was going to cover the intro chapters I read that took me 3 nights of reading maybe 2-3 hours.

...it covered that in the first 15 mins  :lol

Now that I actually see where the show is going, I'm more interested. But I feel like it'd probably take me like a week of reading to cover this one ep. Book club is in about two weeks. Think I'll watch the show and then skim the book.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 17, 2021, 03:18:18 AM
Well I haven't watched any more eps past ep1 of Strange & Norrell and instead went back to the book and have been reading for a few nights and just past where ep1 ended. A bit over a 100 pages in now. The main difference between the show adaptation is just the show interweaving Strange's story.

The book's grown on me and I am enjoying it, but I'm not a big fan of the huge blocky paragraphs of description prose with sometimes dialogue imbedded. Just reads slow and feels a bit like work.

I also started Sanderson's Stormlight Archives 4 - Rhythm of War and reading both at the same time it's just night and day difference in style. Sanderson writes short sentences that are pages mostly filled with dialogue, between dialogues are short descriptions or action, but the pages tend to be a bunch of single sentence or few sentence paragraphs and it just moves fast. Sanderson reminds me of a Stephen King, very straight-forward layman easy reading to focus on dialogue & plot.

Whereas in Strange/Norrell an entire big page may be one giant block paragraph and a giant block footnote below it. Fair enough for people that enjoy that type of writing. It's always given me School English class PTSD flashbacks, so never been into books written like that.
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Post by: chronovore on January 17, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
Finally getting around to Stephenson’s Cryptonomicon. Pretty good, but reading time has been minimal lately. Audiobook is a good reading, so I may make it the whole way.

Also reading a paperback of Elmore Leonard’s Mr. Majestyk. Easy to parse, and the act of reading text is transportative in a way that audio is not. I’ve missed it. COVID has lessened my focus and attention, so this is my rehabilitation.
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Post by: archnemesis on January 18, 2021, 10:23:34 AM
There are a few short parts on coding and cryptography in Cryptonomicon that probably won't translate well to audio. On the other hand, if that's the way you can find the time to enjoy the book then listening to the audio book is a lot better then skipping the book entirely.

I've read three novels by Stephenson and he is quickly becoming my favorite author.

I started reading Count Zero by William Gibson this week. I've barely read physical books since the pandemic started and it's nice getting back to my old reading habit.
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Post by: chronovore on January 20, 2021, 10:01:26 PM
Count Zero was seriously good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 09, 2021, 07:27:16 AM
Finished The Last Continent. Not my favourite Terry Pratchett book, but it was ok.

Have moved on to Nemesis Games by James SA Corey. I'm about 20% through and am really loving the Amos and Alex POVs. Holden and Naomi's POVs I don't really care for so far, but I hope that changes.
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Post by: chronovore on February 10, 2021, 02:02:31 AM
Amos' storyline in that was one of those escalating things that left me wondering, "Wait, how far are they actually going to take this destruction?"

BLOOD MUSIC by Greg Bear also did that.

It's nice to be surprised.
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Post by: Transhuman on February 10, 2021, 04:55:32 AM
Finished The Last Continent. Not my favourite Terry Pratchett book, but it was ok.

Have moved on to Nemesis Games by James SA Corey. I'm about 20% through and am really loving the Amos and Alex POVs. Holden and Naomi's POVs I don't really care for so far, but I hope that changes.

The Amos novella The Churn is really good. Publication order is before Nemesis Games, although I read it much much later on. Really explains a lot about the power dynamic Amos has with Erich.
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Post by: Potato on February 10, 2021, 05:00:43 AM
Finished The Last Continent. Not my favourite Terry Pratchett book, but it was ok.

Have moved on to Nemesis Games by James SA Corey. I'm about 20% through and am really loving the Amos and Alex POVs. Holden and Naomi's POVs I don't really care for so far, but I hope that changes.

The Amos novella The Churn is really good. Publication order is before Nemesis Games, although I read it much much later on. Really explains a lot about the power dynamic Amos has with Erich.
I've read The Churn. Was good.
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Post by: Bebpo on February 22, 2021, 03:36:57 PM
I finished the first half (~550 pages) of Stormlight #4 Rhythm of War last night. I'm pretty letdown so far. Especially after spending 4 years+ reading the entire Cosmere universe series catching up to this point only for one of the weakest books yet so far.

It basically feels like going from Storm of Swords -> AFFC including nixing half the cast (and like ASOAIF nixing a lot of the more interesting cast)  :(

I kind of feel that this is Sanderson's first transition from smaller scale (books #1-3) to larger scale epic (book #4 of 5) and he may be struggling managing it.

Sanderon's stuff almost always comes through in the endgame though and a lot of his stories are positioning and moving things a long to come together for the finale, so hopefully the second half of the book picks up. Still kinda bummed I only got half a book left of Cosmere and then I'm all caught up and got nothing for another year or so until Mistborn2 book #4 is out.

I do appreciate that there is a Planescape Torment nod though. It's nice reading books written by nerds.
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Post by: Tasty on February 22, 2021, 07:13:46 PM
Anybody fucks with DRM free ebooks? Is there a good store for such? Want to stay as legit as possible.

Calibre is a massive pain and I used to have it working quite well, but something in the chain has broken down in the last year (between Google Play's DRM, Kindle's DRM, Adobe's Digital Editions software, Calibre, or all of the above.) So I'm trying to buy DRM free from the start if possible.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 24, 2021, 06:24:55 AM
Finished Nemesis Games and have moved on to Storm Front by Jim Butcher.

Three chapters in so far and it's pretty much grabbed me.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 24, 2021, 11:16:06 AM
This gets said a lot but the first two and a half Dresden books are a bit rough but after that it basically just keeps getting better and better.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on February 26, 2021, 12:42:40 PM
Does your library have an online aspect? If they offer downloads via Overdrive you can download via MP3 and keep the downloads forever.

Meant more epubs and PDFs. 😬
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Post by: chronovore on February 27, 2021, 10:00:43 PM
Anybody fucks with DRM free ebooks? Is there a good store for such? Want to stay as legit as possible.

Calibre is a massive pain and I used to have it working quite well, but something in the chain has broken down in the last year (between Google Play's DRM, Kindle's DRM, Adobe's Digital Editions software, Calibre, or all of the above.) So I'm trying to buy DRM free from the start if possible.

Tor's books are DRM free, IIRC.
Your library may have an online version where you can check out, read, and "return" the books. That's not DRM-free, but it is literally free to sign up for and enjoy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: EchoRin on March 12, 2021, 04:31:47 PM
Love is a Mix Tape - An autobiographical memoir about a man who lost his wife after about 5 years of marriage. Quite a tribute to her that I'd be smitten by if someone did the same for me.

The book mainly deals with the time the two shared together and as you might have guessed by the title, how music connects these various times. You also spend a portion of life prior to him meeting his wife and then the process of him dealing with life after her death.

As someone who also has music being an everlasting  constant presence around me, this book was very relatable in many ways, but it's not the key to enjoying the book or not. Even I wasn't aware of many of the tracks brought up, or even in some cases the artist altogether. It's not important to know them as the author is able to give you enough info to infer a point about a connection or how a song fit with a certain moment. If you do know exactly the song or the artist, bonus points for you, but it's unnecessary in getting the point across.

I enjoyed getting to know this couple and their way of life, family ties, eccentricities, hopes, fears, even the average boring day to day married couple nonsense. It's all very romantic and them being people who sort of seem like I would take to helped my enjoyment as well.

When the wife unexpectedly dies, it really took my breath out. And you know from chapter one that she isn't going to make it, but man when the moment came it still knocked me on my ass. The portion after her passing is also a testament to who she was as a person. People really loved her and she touched many of them.

I'm always scared of the idea that once I die or someone I care about dies that they merely become a footnote that will soon be forgotten. Especially as time goes by. If I or they didn't leave something substantial behind they just slowly fade and become a distant memory that soon has no impact while the people that they knew, friends, family, husband / wife, keep on going on and get to experience so much more while the dead are left behind. With this woman in the book though, you can see that if you were worth a damn to people on a human level the memory and impact still can live on. That's kind of comforting. I mean I don't know if I would have that impact haha, but hey there's hope.

The book was a really nice read. Always love when music has a big tie to a story as music is really a personal thing that is sort of an extension of us. Sometimes we like music just for the sake of it. Happens to me all the time. Other times though it's because we feel a deeper connection to it. It speaks to us on a personal level. Sometimes due to the lyrics. Other times the feel of the music. Or both. Music is versatile like that.  I love that.

If you got a mushy heart and music is a constant presence around you, I recommend the book.
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Post by: Potato on March 12, 2021, 04:37:08 PM
That sounds depressing.

Anyway, I'm on to Son of a Liche by J. Zachary Pike. Someone here recommended Orconomics a while back and I loved it. Great satire and genuinely funny.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
So I stayed up until 5:45am last night finishing Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archives #4: The Rhythm of War. Finally got up with the entire Cosmere universe MCU-style storyline.

Rhythm was ok, it's a good book, but being the second to last book in a 6,000 page+ five book series it started boxing in a lot of plot points and storylines to make a final book possible and I'm not that happy with some of the directions it's setting up. I feel like if Winds of Winter come out I might get a similar feeling. Early books create potential and make everything exciting possibilities whereas later books reign things in and it gets less interesting/exciting.

Rhythm has some great stuff, but overall is probably the weakest Stormlight book or on par with book #1. I honestly have no idea if he'll pull off a great book with the final book. Could go either way, but at least he writes fast so it won't be that long to find out since it's planned for fall 2023 release. So just 2.5 years out.

At this point more excited about the other Cosmere major series finishing with Mistborn Wax & Wayne book #4 out in 2022. Feels more potential there for an interesting exciting story.

But yeah Cosmere is cool and was absolutely worth reading it all. These next two books are essentially finishing up the first half of Cosmere and then time for intermission books before the next big series start.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 15, 2021, 08:28:59 PM
Ok, so gonna finish up some books I've got lined up next(Norell & Strange, more Yahtzee stuff, GRRM edited short story collections, etc...). But went peeking around for recommendations for a new fantasy/horror/sci-fi multi-book series to give a shot and just picked up (some YA):

Malazan vol.1
Belgariad vol.1
House of Shadows vol.1
Arc of a Scythe vol.1
Inkheart vol.1

as well as Sanderson's Skyward YA series, which I'll probably read not too far out since I like his writing and stories enough I think I'll enjoy his non-Cosmere stuff.

Was thinking about picking up First Law vol.1 but it was pretty expensive for the physical and I'm grabbing enough stuff.

Where do I even start if I want to finally read Lord of the Rings? And don't say The Hobbit. I read that in school as a kid and I'm good.

Hopefully one of those fills the gap now that I need a new Ice & Fire, Dark Tower, Cosmere.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 15, 2021, 08:38:30 PM
I wouldn't recommend Malazan unless you have the time to read them all through.   Also warning with Malazan and seeing your reading habits, the last 25% of each book is a huge rollercoaster ride so if you hit page 800 at 7 PM you might be reading well into the morning for the next 300. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 15, 2021, 09:12:59 PM
I mean...I have nothing planned to read for the next decades of my life outside a Cosmere book here and there and Winds of Winter (lol). Not really attached to any other on-going series or authors currently.

So sure, if I like a series I'd read it all.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 15, 2021, 09:30:09 PM
Ya, I just mean it's not really a series you can put down once you start, either to take a break or read other stuff, otherwise you end up forgetting half of it since a lot of the time what is relevant in the current book happened like 3 books ago.  There is a kind of momentum to it and if you interrupt it, it tends to make progressing really hard.  Kinda like stopping a Fromsoft game towards the end and coming back to it after a few months - most of the muscle memory and where to go and what still needs to be done is gone lol
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Post by: Bebpo on April 02, 2021, 01:47:36 AM
Read Defending Elysium the sci-fi detective thriller novella Sanderson wrote early on before he turned it into a YA series with Skyward.

Was solid, not much else to say about it other than I read it in one sitting over about 90 mins. I liked it enough that I'll read Skyward later this year.  Just entertaining stuff, nothing too deep or new but I like how his stuff reads and there's a good amount of twists and turns and action and mysteries and likeable characters.

Probably will read most of his free novellas at some point:
https://www.brandonsanderson.com/brandon-sanderson-online-library/#freebooks
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Post by: Tasty on April 02, 2021, 09:25:04 AM
Want to get Sharon Stone's book even if it's probably ghostwritten.
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Post by: Bebpo on April 08, 2021, 11:40:02 PM
I'm almost done reading The Art of Charlie Chan Hock Chye by Sonny Liew. It's a graphic novel biography of Singapore's most famous comic writer which intermixes pages from his comics throughout his life. His comics were very political during major events of Singapore during the 1940s on with WWII and Japan's occupation of Singapore and the British return occupation/rule and SG's eventual independence. Really fascinating book and I'm learning a lot of about Singapore's history.

(https://i.imgur.com/jHIStgTh.jpg)

Also started on the anthology Dangerous Women curated by GRRM and Gardner Dozois last night. Read Joe Abercrombie's short story, which is my first introduction to his writing. Was...ok? Entertaining, but a pretty nothing story and just an action scene really. Action read well enough, but wasn't enough to get a feel for his writing.

(https://i.imgur.com/tqveZyXh.jpg)


Which also prompted me to want to read some horror short stories so I got back to Jonathan Langan's The Wide Carniverous Sky short story collection. I read City of the Dog last night which was good but my main issue with all his short stores in these books are they're really interesting pieces and then they end undercooked without much of the lore explained since they're short stories. It's why I kinda shelved this about midway even though I liked the stories. I just don't find them satisfying at the end because so much is not explained. His novel The Fisherman was really fucking good, but it was a novel length so he had more time to go into story stuff. I should look and see what he's been writing these last few years.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q54JFGth.jpg)

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Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2021, 12:39:17 AM
Ok, finished The Art of Charlie Chan Hock Chye and discovered that the author that it's a biography of doesn't actually exist and this is all a fictional creation and all the example pages from his works over 50 years are Sonny Liew showing a diverse style as he tells the story of a political activist comic writer living through the liberation and self-rule of SG.

Was really good and I learned a lot about Singapore's politics. I had never researched the country and discovering that it's heavily authoritarian still is crazy. I went there in 2017 or 2018 and had no idea about any of this stuff. At least it seems a little better now that books like this can be released and aren't being banned outright with authors exiled or imprisoned or something. But I saw they still pulled the arts grant money for the book because of its views, so still shady.

Welp, definitely not moving to Singapore. Good book though.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2021, 01:07:52 AM
First actual book I've read in a while since the libraries shut down:
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Was kinda dry, lots of reciting facts and stuff but I enjoyed some of the stories about the movies. The Battlefield Earth chapter really felt like it downplayed how much Scientology bankrolled that thing though to focus on how fat John Travolta was getting. Sometimes I found juicier quotes about the movies/behind-the-scenes/etc. on Wikipedia than in the book. I was also surprised that it ignored some movies that it just offhand mentioned, like Hudson Hawk with Bruce Willis which lost like $50 million or something, for movies that ultimately did turn a profit and were just troubled productions. Also felt it kinda downplayed that part during production of The Cotton Club where Robert Evans got involved with all those drug people and someone got murdered. :lol
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 26, 2021, 12:09:39 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/mvehd6/mike_shells_idols_fall_hit_the_shelves_today_and/

Aching God is on sale right now.  Really great book if you like horror and fantasy.   Reading the last book in the trilogy now.  I'm engrossed. 
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Post by: Bebpo on April 26, 2021, 03:19:33 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/mvehd6/mike_shells_idols_fall_hit_the_shelves_today_and/

Aching God is on sale right now.  Really great book if you like horror and fantasy.   Reading the last book in the trilogy now.  I'm engrossed.

I hate buying digital for books since I can't remember I even own the book months from now when I'm ready for my next book and usually just look at my bookshelf stack.

But dark horror fantasy is my jam and 99 cents vs $17 for paperback I'll grab the digital. Just hope I remember I have it someday.
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Post by: Bebpo on April 27, 2021, 02:57:11 AM
Finished reading John Langan's The Wide and Carnivorous Sky short story collection. Dude is way too much of an academia professor-lit writer for me, but some of these clicked.

The anthology's final story Mother of Stone was a really good exorcist story that I'd recommend to anyone whose a horror fan.
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Post by: chronovore on May 03, 2021, 10:58:28 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/mvehd6/mike_shells_idols_fall_hit_the_shelves_today_and/

Aching God is on sale right now.  Really great book if you like horror and fantasy.   Reading the last book in the trilogy now.  I'm engrossed.

I hate buying digital for books since I can't remember I even own the book months from now when I'm ready for my next book and usually just look at my bookshelf stack.

But dark horror fantasy is my jam and 99 cents vs $17 for paperback I'll grab the digital. Just hope I remember I have it someday.

It's up to $4 now on Kindle, but based on your guys' enthusiasm, I just grabbed it. Thanks!
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 16, 2021, 04:02:27 PM
Halfway through The Only Good Indians.  Just read a really intense chapter. 
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Post by: Bebpo on May 16, 2021, 04:12:26 PM
I'm like 1/3rd through Dangerous Women. It's kind of all over the place. I guess I'm used to reading short story anthologies by a single author so the style and genre tend to be consistent. These authors are all very different and the genres are all over the place. Like there was a western, the a Henry the II family story, then a sci-fi alien planet story, then a Dresden Files magic story that had huge spoilers for the franchise but was entertaining, then a WWII Russian women's fighter pilot division story, etc...

Also reading a 1,000 page anthology is a long read! These aren't really "short" stories as opposed to each being a full 50-100 page novella. I try to read a story a night, but some of these take me a few nights if they're not the type of genre that I'm into.

While I'm enjoying it and it's broadening my horizons in terms of authors and genre I typically don't read, I think I'll hold off on reading any other large-size anthologies like this for a while. Though I guess this is a sort of a good break after all the Cosmere reading before getting into another big series.

Though I'm on a Joe Lansdale story now and I got to discover he is the author of Bubba Ho-Tep!
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Post by: chronovore on May 17, 2021, 09:19:53 PM
Reading David Wong's sequel to John Dies at the End, This Books is Full of Spiders. It's entertaining but I think I enjoyed the first book more. Wong also did a cyberpunk novel which was plenty of fun, Futuristic Violence and Fancy Suits. That one would have been a good place to spend Ready Player One's ridiculous budget.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 17, 2021, 09:21:05 PM
So are there lots of spiders in the book?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 17, 2021, 11:34:23 PM
The Gutter Prayer is kinda on sale right now at 6$ - think it's been cheaper.  But the third book in the series is coming out tomorrow and I am super hyped. 
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Post by: chronovore on May 17, 2021, 11:37:46 PM
So are there lots of spiders in the book?

Technically speaking, there are equivalent number of spiders in this book compared to times that John dies in the other book.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 20, 2021, 08:25:55 PM
Hit a really cool chapter in The Broken God

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The other half is nightmare. Chunks of broken heavens, fallen from the sky and made material in the moment of their destruction. Malformed miracles leaking into reality, scabs of divine works. God-touched creatures crawl across the land, screaming hymns of gratitude. Strange plants grow, fiery-red bushes that ignite when touched, mountain-flowers disgorging virulent blue poison on to unseen winds. They travel through the meadowlands of some hunting god, through the burned-out stacks of a seemingly infinite library, through a desert of broken glass.

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On the fifth day in hell, they come to the ghost of the city of Gissa. Even Cari knows that Gissa was destroyed, ten years ago or more, Gissa of the red roofs and the counting-houses, Gissa of the temples and the red walls, Gissa of the deep wells. Gissa should be a lot further south. They hide in a ditch and watch the city march past them. People, thousands of them, dragging sacks of rubble and brick, shoulders bowed under cloaks of red slate. Skins red with brick dust. They march in columns that mimic the layout of vanished streets – and a presence moves with them, invisible forces flattening the ground ahead of them, stamping the map of the crawling city into the mud. Some hold street signs like battle standards, others stumble through the mud with absurd pomposity, clad in the ornate robes of civic officials, of judges and councillors. There’s a carnival touch to the whole procession, wild abandon mixed with civic pride. All of their faces, from the starveling children to the oldest greybeard, touched with divine ecstasy. They live in Gissa, and Gissa is the heavenly city. Cari feels that sandpaper sensation again, and presses her face into the mud as a great temple-barge passes. It’s a huge pyramidal temple, the house of the civic god, mounted on gigantic runners of teak wood and dragged by a crowd of ecstatic worshippers. Atop the temple stands a young man, beautiful and shining, chosen of the god of the city of Gissa. “Tell me when they’ve gone,” whispers Cari, but before M can answer the saint raises his left hand. Trumpets sound, the earth shakes and the city settles around them. Their ditch is now surrounded on all sides by the memory of a ruined city, by the shambling crowds of the displaced and the divine.

...

As if conjured by the saint’s commands, a group of soldiers appears at the top of the street. She’d almost mistake them for Stone Men, their bodies marked with stony growths, but in a flash she sees the distinction. These guys were all mortally wounded in the past – that one’s got a wide gash in his belly, that one was stabbed through the heart, another doesn’t have a fucking head – and the wounds were filled with pieces of the city. They’ve got chunks of brickwork and mortar shoved into their bodies, working as muscles and organs and, apparently, a head. One of them points at her with a hand salvaged from some marble statue, and Blockhead swivels to look at Cari like the thing’s got eyes.


Also the book explores the fourth major faction in the world so far, which are dragon-riding pirates who operate like the Italian mafia. 
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Post by: Potato on May 20, 2021, 08:38:38 PM
I've been pushing my way through The Unspoken Name by AK Larkwood. I think it was something I picked up for free from the TOR.com newsletter.

It's been a real struggle to get through. I'm not finding any of the characters interesting and the author throws you into this world with minimal world building.

I'm 53% of the way through and I'm still not sure if this setting is fantasy or sci fi. There's swords and magic, but also alchemical flying machines and weird allusions to advanced technology.

I don't want to drop it, but I'm struggling to find the motivation to get through...and I just realised there a sequel coming in August, which means the ending is unlikely to be satisfying.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 24, 2021, 03:43:38 AM
Finished that Joe Lansdale short story "Wrestling Jesus"

was pretty great, enjoy his writing style even if it feels a bit too loose old timey and probably not very pc. Might check out one of his novels. Not sure if he writes all his stories about goofy elderly people or just Bubba Ho-Tep and this.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 24, 2021, 03:44:48 AM
So are there lots of spiders in the book?

Technically speaking, there are equivalent number of spiders in this book compared to times that John dies in the other book.

I vaguely remember John Dies at the End. Only watched the movie adaptation though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on May 24, 2021, 09:50:55 AM
So are there lots of spiders in the book?

Technically speaking, there are equivalent number of spiders in this book compared to times that John dies in the other book.

I vaguely remember John Dies at the End. Only watched the movie adaptation though.

Except for Giamatti, the movie was disappointing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 05, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
The Ruins by Scott Smith.  40% through and it's gotten really tense and captivating.  I think body horror is the easiest kind of horror to work on me though.   
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: team filler on June 06, 2021, 03:46:56 AM
sandman, all volumes. kind of just opening them at random and reading here and there. I can always find a good message for myself doing that. think I found a good one earlier and dismissed it. now it makes more sense. I really just opened brief lives and saw this page. guess I didn't want that message. so I put it down and told myself it didn't mean anything.


(https://i.imgur.com/IS4edNa.jpg)


seems accurate enough
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Post by: Potato on June 06, 2021, 06:43:28 PM
https://twitter.com/JamesSACorey/status/1394357689249980420 (https://twitter.com/JamesSACorey/status/1394357689249980420)

Fuck you George. I don't think I even want to finish reading your fucking story anymore anyway.

Nine fucking books they've done and the fat bastard hasn't even finished one goddamn book which he apparently already had planned out.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2021, 06:54:31 PM
Is The Expanse worth reading/watching?

Is it good sci-fi or is it schlocky comic book entertaining?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on June 06, 2021, 07:09:29 PM
I love it, both the books and the show.

I'm a bit behind on both, so can't comment on whether the quality has remained high throughout though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2021, 08:14:09 PM
I love it, both the books and the show.

I'm a bit behind on both, so can't comment on whether the quality has remained high throughout though.

Which do you prefer between books/show?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2021, 09:00:14 PM
Library's back open. :jeb

Got four books on Thursday, already done with three of them. :rejoice :notlikethis :rejoice
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on June 06, 2021, 09:28:15 PM
I love it, both the books and the show.

I'm a bit behind on both, so can't comment on whether the quality has remained high throughout though.

Which do you prefer between books/show?
I prefer the narrative of the books, but the show is phenomenal because it is hard sci-fi in a big budget TV show.

I can't remember another sci-fi TV show that has been able to incorporate the hard science stuff in such a seamless way before and still manage to maintain an action and character-oriented narrative that keeps you on the edge of your seat.

If you have any fond memories of Battlestar Galactica, then The Expanse is a spiritual successor in every way and eclipses it easily.

The reason I'm behind on the show is because I don't want to get spoiled on the big events like I did for something in season 4.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2021, 11:14:49 PM
So I'm not big into hard sci-fi, never watched Battlestar, only watched Star Trek Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and the movies. But it sounds like a good series. I'll give the first book a shot.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 07, 2021, 01:19:58 AM
I’m a fan of the books, and enjoy the TV show just fine. There is some intelligent streamlining that has gone into the TV show, and then there is the forced conflict between the crew members of the Rocinante to compensate from the lack of an internal voice, inherent to all prose.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on June 08, 2021, 11:42:45 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/c2ON0RB.jpg)


This arrived today.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 22, 2021, 08:19:37 PM
https://ebookclub.tor.com/?utm_source=exacttarget&utm_medium=orgpost&utm_term=torcomebookclubpromo-gardensmoonebookgwy&utm_content=na-signup-giveaway&utm_campaign=9781429926584&et=71486-ndb613177-8890-42ac-bff3-37c40db8b136-n489fa376-efa4-4edf-88a5-02e2bf0d9c2&e=75c0b1e759ab6c5558e5ebc663fdedd95667222a94b6411786a0841fdb7f808a

Sorry for the nightmare URL, but Tor is giving away free copies of Erikson's Gardens of the Moon to anyone who subscribes to their email list.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: team filler on June 26, 2021, 04:42:13 AM
tao by lin yutang
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 28, 2021, 09:21:58 PM
Read the first two Cradle books in the last two days.  Halfway through the third one.  It's basically Naruto in prose form.  I'm liking it and the power-up hooks have kept me wanting to keep reading.  Kindle says each book is ~300 pages but they only take a few hours to get through. Got the first 8 free (The author gives them out a few times a year), which also makes me like them more or at least be less critical.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2021, 10:56:25 PM
Read the first two Cradle books in the last two days.  Halfway through the third one.  It's basically Naruto in prose form.  I'm liking it and the power-up hooks have kept me wanting to keep reading.  Kindle says each book is ~300 pages but they only take a few hours to get through. Got the first 8 free (The author gives them out a few times a year), which also makes me like them more or at least be less critical.

This does not sound good lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 29, 2021, 11:11:39 AM
I can't say it's good, but is addicting and appeals to the same kind of progression hooks that naruto and dragonball use.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2021, 03:26:52 AM
So Quentin Tarantino released his first novel yesterday. And it's a sequel to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and starts at the movie's ending and keeps going with the characters in a new tale.

Since about 50% of Tarantino's style is his dialogue, which could translate pretty well to a book, gonna give it a read. Pretty random though!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on June 30, 2021, 04:11:13 AM
Finally finished The Unspoken Name. What an absolute slog to get through. Whoever the author's editor was, they didn't do their job very well. Could have been half the length and would have lost nothing.

Anyway, I started Autonomous by Annalee Newitz. Seems good so far.

Quote
When anything can be owned, how can we be free

Earth, 2144. Jack is an anti-patent scientist turned drug pirate, traversing the world in a submarine as a pharmaceutical Robin Hood, fabricating cheap scrips for poor people who can’t otherwise afford them. But her latest drug hack has left a trail of lethal overdoses as people become addicted to their work, doing repetitive tasks until they become unsafe or insane.

Hot on her trail, an unlikely pair: Eliasz, a brooding military agent, and his robotic partner, Paladin. As they race to stop information about the sinister origins of Jack’s drug from getting out, they begin to form an uncommonly close bond that neither of them fully understand.

And underlying it all is one fundamental question: Is freedom possible in a culture where everything, even people, can be owned?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on July 01, 2021, 07:31:36 AM
So, while this book has been ok so far, this sex scene just came up out of the blue and it's gotta be one of the most cringeworthy things I've ever read.

Quote
“I am flirting with you,” she clarified.

“Oh, good— that’s what I thought.” He laughed. “One can never be sure, though.” She liked the way he never made assumptions, even about basic things like fucking.

When they kissed, she could taste the political analysis he’d described during the Freeculture meeting. His flavor, a mixture of smoke and fennel, was redolent of the Good Science she’d dreamed about doing when she was an undergraduate: the science that helped people, and gave them a chance to lead lives they could be proud of. Nothing made her want to strip a man naked more than knowing he had good ideas … and so she did. She could taste a nuanced ethical understanding of the patent system all over his body.

I like a lot of the stuff being published by Tor Books. There's some really groundbreaking sci-fi and fantasy coming out of them that is pushing boundaries. But sometimes their authors are just too woke for their own good
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2021, 12:07:37 AM
Recent:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1521176367l/38888996.jpg)(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1597382874l/48932357._SY475_.jpg)(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1581400245l/40652333.jpg)(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1569585320l/49597754._SX318_SY475_.jpg)

Now:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1586827877l/52589921.jpg)

Next:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1544486035l/41709894.jpg)

Upcoming:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1595814305l/54502643.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: team filler on July 04, 2021, 12:17:18 AM
tao by lin yutang
also started his book From Christian to Pagan. from the little I've read on the toilet, it's interesting. Don't see myself becoming a christian, but this guy can write.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: tiesto on July 04, 2021, 01:02:15 PM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/210591114_10158610527218983_3173262789477184442_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=et5B6m8AxlcAX9tBXIs&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=380c27d018a18979911ae505bd777fb5&oe=60E60449)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 04, 2021, 07:53:59 PM
OK I read all 9 Cradle books in one week.  It is very addicting. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on July 07, 2021, 04:39:18 AM
Upcoming:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1595814305l/54502643.jpg)
i read this not long after reading chaos monkeys and bad blood hoping it would be as good but ultimately it just wasn't as interesting overall especially if you read a few articles on wework already
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2021, 10:20:27 AM
https://twitter.com/mzbiingm/status/1429826464522833926


https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bz011IF2Pu9TUWIxVWxybGJ1Ync?resourcekey=0-8AACWzSdhr35TqD9I9D8cw


 :shaqc
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on August 24, 2021, 10:36:26 PM
Now:

(https://i.imgur.com/BjRGYSi.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NEblkCv.jpg)

Soon:

(https://i.imgur.com/2mG7vT3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/c6uXYmV.jpg)

Sus title but it's highly rated so...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2021, 04:40:17 AM
Finished that Dangerous Women novella anthology ending with GRRMs The Princess and the Queen telling the Ice & Fire dragon civil war of the dance of dragons that HBO is turning into a show next year.

Was pretty good. I don't see how they can adapt this though. It's nothing but battles and dragons and would need a crazy budget. Though I guess they'll stretch it out over seasons for that reason.

I guess I should pick up Fire & Blood and read the rest of the history Novellas.

The other novellas in Dangerous Women were all over the place. Huge book. There was a fun zombies and superpowers and violence one by Warren Spector's wife, a prequel to the Outlander series, a thing from Dresden Files, like three historical fiction novellas, a couple post-apocalypse scavenging and a western by the First Law guy. Took me like four months to get through this tome, so I'm not reading any more big anthologies for a while. But may check out some of the authors other works.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2021, 08:31:18 PM
Recent and current, thematic:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1533096086l/40983494.jpg)(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1523744652l/38819867.jpg)

i read this not long after reading chaos monkeys and bad blood hoping it would be as good but ultimately it just wasn't as interesting overall especially if you read a few articles on wework already
I had not read too carefully into WeWork's history, only stories as it was collapsing, but I agree. It really wasn't very interesting and mostly about the main guy's weirdness. I wanted more about the whole fraudulent business plan. It seemed to not want to cover that so much because many of the sources for the book were people who also helped perpetuate everything.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on September 18, 2021, 08:39:03 PM
A company I worked at gets a shoutout in Chaos Monkeys. 👀
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 19, 2021, 03:29:11 AM
A company I worked at gets a shoutout in Chaos Monkeys. 👀
are you murthy  :o
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Svejk on September 20, 2021, 02:48:31 PM
Just finished the second book of the Mistborn trilogy; Well of Ascension.  Been enjoying this series so far.  :)   Not sure it would be a match for being made into a movie/tv series, but man... this would make an excellent video game. :lawd
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on September 20, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
Just finished the second book of the Mistborn trilogy; Well of Ascension.  Been enjoying this series so far.  :)   Not sure it would be a match for being made into a movie/tv series, but man... this would make an excellent video game. :lawd

Have you played Dishonored?

I feel like Dishonored is the unofficial Mistborn videogame series. Kinda similar powers and victorian fantasy aesthetic. When I played Dishonored 1 I just pretended I was playing as Kelsier.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on September 20, 2021, 04:26:23 PM
A company I worked at gets a shoutout in Chaos Monkeys. 👀
are you murthy  :o

What does this mean? :thinking
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Svejk on September 20, 2021, 04:51:26 PM
Just finished the second book of the Mistborn trilogy; Well of Ascension.  Been enjoying this series so far.  :)   Not sure it would be a match for being made into a movie/tv series, but man... this would make an excellent video game. :lawd

Have you played Dishonored?

I feel like Dishonored is the unofficial Mistborn videogame series. Kinda similar powers and victorian fantasy aesthetic. When I played Dishonored 1 I just pretended I was playing as Kelsier.
Damn... never realized or thought about that.  I never got around to playing Dishonored for silly reasons like not caring for the, at the time to me, odd setting and art style, but I really ought to reconsider.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 28, 2021, 11:33:49 PM
Finally finished The Decent after reading it for 2 months while walking to work.  Good book.  It's a horror creature-feature with sci-fi and Christian fantasy elements.  Really cool premise, that isn't fully realized but pretty close to.  Didn't read it for the longest time because I thought the movie was based on it.  They are very different despite the same name and premise. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 05, 2021, 09:11:36 AM
https://www.tor.com/2021/10/05/download-a-free-ebook-of-gideon-the-ninth-this-bonestober-before-october-8th/

 Gideon the Ninth is free. Hear it's really good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on October 05, 2021, 04:35:08 PM
https://www.tor.com/2021/10/05/download-a-free-ebook-of-gideon-the-ninth-this-bonestober-before-october-8th/ (https://www.tor.com/2021/10/05/download-a-free-ebook-of-gideon-the-ninth-this-bonestober-before-october-8th/)

 Gideon the Ninth is free. Hear it's really good.

Yeah, I've heard good things so I downloaded it.

I hope it's actually a good read and not just another Tor published book that gets hyped because the main character is trans or lesbian or whatever.

Tor is probably my most read publisher, but fuck me if some of the shit they put out isn't just virtue signalling trash.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 06, 2021, 04:36:48 AM
Look at the blurb on the cover.

"Lesbian necromancers explore a haunted gothic palace in space!"
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on October 06, 2021, 07:08:17 AM
Oh well, I will try not to judge the book by its cover blurb.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 06, 2021, 10:45:24 PM
The Rats, 60% through and it's pretty good.  Not a great representation of women though. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 07, 2021, 04:29:46 AM
All Systems Red from The Murderbot Diaries.  I was lamenting to friends that I've lost the energy and focus to read prose, and they suggested I start with YA stuff, as it's easier. This series has won several awards, and it's off to a rollicking start.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on October 07, 2021, 04:50:47 AM
Murderbot is awesome
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 20, 2021, 09:56:39 AM
Cradle 1-6 are free right now on amazon.



I read Ring Shout which was awesome for a novella.  Basically felt like Supernatural or Buffy except its three black women taking on KKK monsters.

Started reading Universal Harvester.  Well written so far with a great atmosphere. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Risible on October 23, 2021, 12:55:48 PM
So, while this book has been ok so far, this sex scene just came up out of the blue and it's gotta be one of the most cringeworthy things I've ever read.

Quote
“I am flirting with you,” she clarified.

“Oh, good— that’s what I thought.” He laughed. “One can never be sure, though.” She liked the way he never made assumptions, even about basic things like fucking.

When they kissed, she could taste the political analysis he’d described during the Freeculture meeting. His flavor, a mixture of smoke and fennel, was redolent of the Good Science she’d dreamed about doing when she was an undergraduate: the science that helped people, and gave them a chance to lead lives they could be proud of. Nothing made her want to strip a man naked more than knowing he had good ideas … and so she did. She could taste a nuanced ethical understanding of the patent system all over his body.

I like a lot of the stuff being published by Tor Books. There's some really groundbreaking sci-fi and fantasy coming out of them that is pushing boundaries. But sometimes their authors are just too woke for their own good

I just fucking cringed myself to death reading that.  I hate you for exposing me to it.  Just knowing that writing like this exists out there makes me want to never read again in case something I chose to read contains this passage or it's equivalence.  Fuck that author and fuck you for posting it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 23, 2021, 03:31:31 PM
Oh hey, books!

(https://i.imgur.com/Exa5szll.jpg)

So I haven't read a Star Wars book since I was like 12 years old reading that Kevin J. Anderson sequel trilogy with Admiral Thrawn and all that. My gf was like there's this zombies star wars book that's decent, you should read it out of curiosity.

It was ok. It's only 300 pages and it took me like 4-5 weeks to get through because each chapter is like 2-3 pages long and it doesn't read that well. I liked the brutal horror aspect of it and zombie plague in the star wars universe is kind of fun. I felt like because it's a short book everything just sorta slams together really fast in the end without much development or time to breathe and wasn't all that satisfying, but it was decent.

I looked up to see if there was a sequel and saw there was a prequel called Red Harvest which is apparently known in Star Wars circles as the worst Extended Universe novel there is. Read up the synopsis and its too bad it sucks because the premise for that one is Jedi w/force powers vs Zombies which could be fun but apparently it's not. Oh well.

(https://i.imgur.com/sEypZpqh.jpg)

Then I started Brandon Sanderson's YA Sci-Fi series he's currently writing in between mainline Cosmere books, Skyward.

I've never read a YA novel before. I mean I'm sure I've read plenty, but when I was a kid that genre didn't exist so they didn't call them that. Wasn't sure if I'd like it going in or if it'd be too kiddy.

Honestly, was fine and YA here just felt like watching an anime series. Aliens, group of teen pilots in training have to bond and fight them off while dying and figuring out what's really going on. I mean this is Eva, Rahxephon, Fafner, Bokurano, a million other mecha anime plots!

But I like mecha anime and sci-fi and kids dying and all that jazz and Sanderson is a great writer that moves things quickly with likeable characters, mysteries, good action, some good jokes.

This was 500 pages and I blew through it in a week. It's a solid good B+ book and my only complaint is the ending is a bit lackluster and more a setup for book #2 in this 4 books + novellas series. Book #3 is out next month and Book #4 is 2023.

I still think this is weaker than even the weakest mainline Cosmere Sanderson book, for whatever reason being YA Sanderson toned his wit down. His novels all have a lot of biting edge smart & witty humor which is my favorite part of his writing and the humor in this feels dumbed down. But I liked it and I'm definitely pretty interested in book #2 and beyond.

Gives me something good Sanderson to read in this 2 year gap between Stormlight #4 last fall and Wax & Wayne #4 next fall. Will take my time getting to the other two books though since I'll probably blow through them in a week like this one.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on October 23, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
So, while this book has been ok so far, this sex scene just came up out of the blue and it's gotta be one of the most cringeworthy things I've ever read.

Quote
“I am flirting with you,” she clarified.

“Oh, good— that’s what I thought.” He laughed. “One can never be sure, though.” She liked the way he never made assumptions, even about basic things like fucking.

When they kissed, she could taste the political analysis he’d described during the Freeculture meeting. His flavor, a mixture of smoke and fennel, was redolent of the Good Science she’d dreamed about doing when she was an undergraduate: the science that helped people, and gave them a chance to lead lives they could be proud of. Nothing made her want to strip a man naked more than knowing he had good ideas … and so she did. She could taste a nuanced ethical understanding of the patent system all over his body.

I like a lot of the stuff being published by Tor Books. There's some really groundbreaking sci-fi and fantasy coming out of them that is pushing boundaries. But sometimes their authors are just too woke for their own good

I just fucking cringed myself to death reading that.  I hate you for exposing me to it.  Just knowing that writing like this exists out there makes me want to never read again in case something I chose to read contains this passage or it's equivalence.  Fuck that author and fuck you for posting it.
Love you too, sweet cheeks. Maybe if you gave better political analysis, I'd be throwing myself at you right now.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 23, 2021, 03:38:36 PM
Also I'm starting to feel like I need a new multi-book (hopefully finished) series that I can read in this next year until Wax & Wayne #4 (fall 2022) and Stormlight #5 are out (fall 2023).

I picked up Malazan, Belgariad, First Law, Inkheart, Arc of a Scythe

Just not sure which one to start with. I like stuff with witty humor and likeable characters and mysteries though I also enjoy politics and backstabbings.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on October 23, 2021, 03:40:09 PM
Slogging my way through The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins.

While I'm 100% on board with his message, damn if he doesn't write like a self-important twat. You can see why he infuriates the god-bothering lunatics.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Risible on October 23, 2021, 10:55:11 PM
So, while this book has been ok so far, this sex scene just came up out of the blue and it's gotta be one of the most cringeworthy things I've ever read.

Quote
“I am flirting with you,” she clarified.

“Oh, good— that’s what I thought.” He laughed. “One can never be sure, though.” She liked the way he never made assumptions, even about basic things like fucking.

When they kissed, she could taste the political analysis he’d described during the Freeculture meeting. His flavor, a mixture of smoke and fennel, was redolent of the Good Science she’d dreamed about doing when she was an undergraduate: the science that helped people, and gave them a chance to lead lives they could be proud of. Nothing made her want to strip a man naked more than knowing he had good ideas … and so she did. She could taste a nuanced ethical understanding of the patent system all over his body.

I like a lot of the stuff being published by Tor Books. There's some really groundbreaking sci-fi and fantasy coming out of them that is pushing boundaries. But sometimes their authors are just too woke for their own good

I just fucking cringed myself to death reading that.  I hate you for exposing me to it.  Just knowing that writing like this exists out there makes me want to never read again in case something I chose to read contains this passage or it's equivalence.  Fuck that author and fuck you for posting it.
Love you too, sweet cheeks. Maybe if you gave better political analysis, I'd be throwing myself at you right now.

Just to clarify, I AM flirting with you.  When I kiss you, I can taste every Bire post you've ever made.  I love how you never assume anything about fucking.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on October 24, 2021, 05:27:53 AM
So, while this book has been ok so far, this sex scene just came up out of the blue and it's gotta be one of the most cringeworthy things I've ever read.

Quote
“I am flirting with you,” she clarified.

“Oh, good— that’s what I thought.” He laughed. “One can never be sure, though.” She liked the way he never made assumptions, even about basic things like fucking.

When they kissed, she could taste the political analysis he’d described during the Freeculture meeting. His flavor, a mixture of smoke and fennel, was redolent of the Good Science she’d dreamed about doing when she was an undergraduate: the science that helped people, and gave them a chance to lead lives they could be proud of. Nothing made her want to strip a man naked more than knowing he had good ideas … and so she did. She could taste a nuanced ethical understanding of the patent system all over his body.

I like a lot of the stuff being published by Tor Books. There's some really groundbreaking sci-fi and fantasy coming out of them that is pushing boundaries. But sometimes their authors are just too woke for their own good

I just fucking cringed myself to death reading that.  I hate you for exposing me to it.  Just knowing that writing like this exists out there makes me want to never read again in case something I chose to read contains this passage or it's equivalence.  Fuck that author and fuck you for posting it.
Love you too, sweet cheeks. Maybe if you gave better political analysis, I'd be throwing myself at you right now.

Just to clarify, I AM flirting with you.  When I kiss you, I can taste every Bire post you've ever made.  I love how you never assume anything about fucking.
Your flavour, a mixture of shitposts and pisstakes, is redolent of the trolling i'd dreamed about doing when i was a junior borean.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2021, 08:52:11 AM
Just finished, quite good, interesting stuff:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1586238936l/29940829.jpg)

Onward to:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1591526359l/50403757.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 01, 2021, 12:38:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/i0puemRh.jpg)

For Halloween, I read this lovecraft-esque novella that had been brought up a few times over the last decade of best lovecraftian tales. The Sea of Ash by Scott Thomas.

Was pretty good. There are spoiler-ish reasons that I liked it a lot by the end though they are very spoiler-ish. Would recommend the novella. Can read it in one night at ~90 pages.

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So I feel like every lovecraft-esque story I've ever read or seen made into a movie or a game or something always ends with 2 things: 1) BAD END for the main characters involved and 2) A whole lot underexplained because that's the whole mysteries lovecraft/eldritch thing.

So I was surprised and also greatly enjoyed that this book actually has a happy ending and explains what is going on in the end which actually feels like a subversion of the genre. Was more satisfying in the end than a lot of these types of tales.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 02, 2021, 06:26:47 PM
Universal Harvester wasn't what I was expecting at all and I really liked it.  Thought it was a horror.  It has a very unsettling atmosphere and the tease of a horrific mystery.  It's much more a literary fiction book.  Think it's best to not know anything going in and have low expectations. 

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It's kind of about the rippling effects of a mother abandoning her young daughter to join a cult and the inability to resolve the mystery of what happened to her mother.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 03, 2021, 01:09:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/h234Wonl.jpg)

Finished reading Tarantino's first novel Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last night.

First of all, the Era thread lied to me. Said this was a novelization of the movie and the movie's ending takes place 1/3rd through the book and it keeps going as a sequel. This is straight up false.

The book just randomly describes the ending of the movie 1/3rd through. Like in a paragraph, "blah blah blah, and a few months later X/Y/Z happens", but then immediately jumps back and continues the movie's timeline and never goes anywhere beyond it. In fact, it kind of ends a bit before the movie does.

As a novel standalone story, this book does not really work. Tarantino's isn't a novelist, at least in plotting. Most of the characters and sub-plots go nowhere and just end midway in the book. The dialogue reads really well because Tarantino writes great dialogue. This is also a medium where Tarantino gets to gush about his film nerd knowledge for pages on end.

I saw a goodreads review that described this novel as more akin to a collection of deleted scenes to go along with the movie Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I think this is the best description. You get some backstory chapters on some characters (mainly Brad Pitt's Cliff) and a much more detailed insight into the show that Dalton is working on with the little girl actress.

Also being inside the characters heads and reading their thoughts does help some scenes or make them more interesting. The Bruce Lee fight is the same, but it's handled better in the novel when you see the thought processes behind what's going on.

One thing though, the book really character assassinates Cliff. I've seen a lot of reviews mention that and it's pretty spot on. In the movie Pitt's Cliff is not a "good guy" but he's like a Tarantino character you can root for despite not being a great person. In the book he's a lot darker and more a psychopath and if this was the movie version of the character he'd be more likely to end up the antagonist. Probably not a great direction to have gone with the character unless his goal was to make everyone who rooted for him in the movie feel uncomfortable.

DiCaprio's Dalton though, I thought the book helped flesh him out more and his insecurities. I liked his character more in the novel and the novel focuses more on his actual acting career. The story of the show he's on and the girl he works with is pretty good and the most satisfying part of the book.

The other characters like Manson and Tate and Polanski have like two scenes that go nowhere besides telling that scene. Kinda pointless.

Also I feel like there's a lot of pages about dirty underage hippies fucking.

Overall, it wasn't particularly good, and wouldn't really recommend, but if you want to treat it as deleted scenes from the movie and get some more scenes with these characters (even if it will character assassinate Brad Pitt's character), then it reads fairly easily outside the pages upon pages of slobering over film knowledge.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2021, 09:34:01 PM
Reaganland was pretty good, though the title is a bit misleading, the cover picture is not. Half of it is about Jimmy Carter.

Now:
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Next:
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Post by: Potato on November 10, 2021, 04:35:51 PM
Just started Babylon's Ashes in The Expanse series.
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Post by: Potato on November 18, 2021, 11:04:20 PM
This just arrived in the mail.

Gonna move on to it once I'm done with Babylon's Ashes.

(https://i.imgur.com/XYMeADP.jpeg)

Greek black metal scene is amazing. So keen to read more about it's formation.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 19, 2021, 04:35:54 PM
Been listening to Neil Gaiman read his book The Graveyard Book. About midway and this is incredibly, incredibly delightful. I’m new to audiobooks but Gaiman does such a great job with all the voices and accents.
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Post by: Potato on November 19, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
Gaiman is one is those guys who you feel like you should hate because he is so insanely talented and creative but you can't help but like because he seems like an awesome guy.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 19, 2021, 06:02:40 PM
Yeah, he's awesome. It's a shame (like a lot of other authors) when his stuff doesn't get adapted well like the fuck up of American Gods TV. Apparently this book The Graveyard Book was supposed to have been adapted by the Coraline team pretty soon after release and then it fell apart. Then went to Ron Howard but didn't happen and has been in limbo since.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 19, 2021, 11:41:59 PM
Got through some more stuff on my vacation this week. Was nice to get away from electronics and work and just read during downtime.

(https://i.imgur.com/S9eFNvsl.jpg)

Will Save the Galaxy for Food by Zero Punctuation's Yahtzee. I liked his first book Mogworld which I guess is like that new Free Guy movie except in an MMO and the NPC who becomes self-aware is an undead wizard. I disliked his second book Jam which is like The Blob except a jam takes over England eating up everything and everyone. So I was pretty so-so going into his third book with this. It started a bit slow and I put it on the back-burner as I read other stuff.

Well, once it gets going this is actually a pretty good satire spaceship sci-fi novel. The characters are enjoyable, the plot & pacing is fun and the humor is generally solid. It's not A-tier and it's been so long since I read Mogworld I can't recall if any of his books have been amazing, but it's a fun B-tier book.

Apparently he did a sequel to this one called Will Destroy the Galaxy for Cash which I'll give a read after a few more books/series when I'm in the mood. Thumbs up. Though probably would recommend Mogworld over this unless you prefer space sci-fi satire to discworld/warcraft/mmo fantasy satire.

(https://i.imgur.com/uAt7Rakl.jpg)

Now on my 12 hours of driving yesterday and my first foray into audiobooks. Before I started Gaiman's The Graveyard Book I listened to this 3.5 hour Brandon Sanderson novella from a year or two ago that only exists in audiobook form at this point. Called The Original. He co-wrote it, so it's not entirely his and I haven't read anything of the other author.

It's essentially like that new Gemini Man movie which I didn't see where a clone wakes up and the government gives her a mission to kill her original within 4 days or she dies for reasons.

It was a decent thriller. The plot was fine with some mysteries and twists. I thought the world-building was good which I attribute to Sanderson and the twists were good which I also attribute to him, but it was pretty heavy on action (which is also a lot of his books) which just came across as boring in audio form. There's like one good enjoyable side character and ehhhh that's about it.

Really felt like this was just a screenplay adaptation for a sci-fi thriller film. Feels like it. Was entertaining enough on a drive, but wasn't great on its own as a piece of fiction. Very average C-tier.
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Post by: remy on November 20, 2021, 07:55:56 AM
Universal Harvester wasn't what I was expecting at all and I really liked it.  Thought it was a horror.  It has a very unsettling atmosphere and the tease of a horrific mystery.  It's much more a literary fiction book.  Think it's best to not know anything going in and have low expectations. 

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It's kind of about the rippling effects of a mother abandoning her young daughter to join a cult and the inability to resolve the mystery of what happened to her mother.
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Need to finish this. got about half way and got massively sidetracked by life. was a big fan of Darnielle's music and previous novel wolf in white van blew my mind
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Post by: benjipwns on November 28, 2021, 11:43:21 PM
I liked the Tall Men book about the 1969 Finals better than the Jordan book. Sorta felt like I already knew most everything in the Jordan book from all kinds of media over the 30 some years.

Now reading this from the guys who did the oral history of Star Trek (The Fifty-Year Mission) books:
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It's been quite critical of George Lucas so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2021, 08:25:15 PM
Reading Joe Abercrombie's The Blade Itself -First Law book #1-

At first I couldn't see how this could be a trilogy and initially it just seemed like a Blade of the Immortal/Wolverine/Ninja Scroll action book written by a weeb.

But after the first 100 pages or so the politics are kicking in and the story is getting more complex with more characters and it's pretty good! Enjoying it. Reads pretty well.
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Post by: chronovore on December 05, 2021, 09:04:48 PM
How is Abercrombie a weeb?
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2021, 09:53:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aLY5aE4h.jpg)
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Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2021, 11:37:49 PM
To expand, I don't consider weeb to be a derogatory term in 2021, just means someone grew up watching anime/manga and is influenced by it in their work.

I'd consider Brandon Sanderson a k-weeb, because he was a missionary living in South Korea when he was young and his books definitely have manga/anime influence to them.

I consider myself and weeb and if I ever produced any piece of entertainment work it'd be influenced by the anime/manga I grew up on.

Now the opening of The Blade Itself reads like a novelization of Ninja Scroll and the front cover is a total Japanese samurai sword looking dude straight out of Blade of the Immortal with the sword slash logo. Now it's definitely possible that Abercrombie has never read manga or watched anime and is just a big Kurosawa fan, but going by his photo on the book cover he's a pretty young guy and I just assume everyone young grew up on manga/anime influence so my guess is weeb.
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Post by: chronovore on December 06, 2021, 02:04:53 AM
I didn’t take it to mean an insult inherently, I was just legitimately baffled. For what it’s worth, authors have virtually no say over the cover art work of their book, and frequently not even the title. At this point, Jo probably has some say over the title, and maybe even the artwork, but it’s by far not a given.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 06, 2021, 05:10:42 AM
(https://www.levneknihy.cz/Document/159/159623/159623.jpg)

This is the original artwork. I have no clue how this new artist came up with samurai. He must've just looked at the title and went like: "Hmmm, who cares about blades? Ah, the japanese."

It's a high fantasy/dark fantasy series.

The title of the first book is taken from a quote by Homer in The Odyssey: "The blade itself incites to deeds of violence."


https://joeabercrombie.com/influences-ideas-and-a-game-of-thrones/ (https://joeabercrombie.com/influences-ideas-and-a-game-of-thrones/)

Some reading on where he actually got influenced.
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Post by: Potato on December 06, 2021, 05:59:26 AM
Abercrombie just didn't click with me. I prefer my Grimdark fantasy of the Glen Cook Black Company variety.
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Post by: chronovore on December 06, 2021, 09:03:37 AM
Abercrombie just didn't click with me. I prefer my Grimdark fantasy of the Glen Cook Black Company variety.

Those are good, too.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 07, 2021, 10:55:02 PM
200 pages in and I still am feeling like The Blade Itself feels like a halfway between GRRM and Ninja Scroll. It's like long in-depth character viewpoint chapters and gritty, but then it's like very anime GIANTS, Sorceresses, TATTOED MEN, etc...it just feels so far kind of videogame/anime-ish even if written with a good writing style to it.

It's pretty entertaining but the worldview just isn't something I'm super into so far, feels very popcorn entertainment.
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Post by: Potato on December 07, 2021, 11:31:52 PM
200 pages in and I still am feeling like The Blade Itself feels like a halfway between GRRM and Ninja Scroll. It's like long in-depth character viewpoint chapters and gritty, but then it's like very anime GIANTS, Sorceresses, TATTOED MEN, etc...it just feels so far kind of videogame/anime-ish even if written with a good writing style to it.

It's pretty entertaining but the worldview just isn't something I'm super into so far, feels very popcorn entertainment.
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Post by: BrokenVerses on December 08, 2021, 02:11:01 PM
I finished reading the sci-fi Revelation Space trilogy by Alastair Reynolds.

It's very obvious that the makers of Mass Effect had read Revelation Space, although the books have a much different approach to the universe, space travel, and the mystery around the villains, more leaning towards hard sci-fi and less hodgepodge of pop culture thankfully. Coincidentally Revelation Space also goes somewhat off the rails in the third entry too lol.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 26, 2021, 07:16:10 PM
Read like 5 hours of The Blade Itself last night when it picked up in the last 150-175 pages. Passed out with like 40 pages left so gonna get a bite and then sit down and finish it up.

It reminds me a lot of Sanderson books where it gets really hard to put down in the last couple hundred pages. This book has been weird in that I've had no idea where it was going the entire time. Was just a bunch of quirky characters doing things. But then it's starting to come together. Even with 40 pages left it feels like there's nothing to conclude? I guess it's going to be more of a world lore establishing, character introducing setup book and the plot will start in the next book.

My guess, which I'll see if I'm right in a few hours is that book #1 of this First Law Trilogy is basically just

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Assembling the team of violent fucked up antiheroes (Bayaz, Glokta, Logen, Ferro, maybe Jezal though I feel like they're writing him to be killed off since he's kind of a joke with no redeeming values) to be the fantasy LoTR party to go on their adventure in Book #2 & conclude the adventure in Book #3 to stop the evil Magi from destroying the world and all that.

Also the overall structure of this definitely feels pretty tropey. The characters are interesting and the writing/prose is very good and entertaining but like the overall structure is giving very Game of Thrones vibes with the Shanka/Flatheads being the looming larger threat coming from the great north/beyond (i.e. White Walkers) while there's a political faction war going on internally.
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I have a feeling I'll probably feel compelled to jump into book #2 pretty quickly rather than read a few other series and come back later like I usually do to spread things out.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 26, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
Ok, finished it. That was weird. Even when reading multi-book series, usually the books have had self-contained arcs each book. This book has no story arc. It just moves things along then ends at a point. Basically makes it hard to judge on its own and you pretty much need to read the next book.

Not sure how I feel about it. It was entertaining, but it was a pretty big long book and not a whole lot happened. Given that these are long books, maybe I'll read something short (aka not Wheel of Time #1) before book#2.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2021, 06:31:41 PM
Almost done listening to the audiobook of Neil Gaiman's 1996 Neverwhere narrated by Gaiman. Pretty lengthy isekai book about London "below" and think it's pretty ehhh. It would be a good book but jesus christ talk about self-sabotaging a tale with the more whiny unlikeable main character possible. Even in the very end where I'm at I pretty much hate the main character Richard. He's supposed to be a loser, but he never really improves and is just a whiny loser the whole time.

Best part of the book are the antagonists Croup and Vandermar as supernatural professional killers. They're pretty funny and fucked up.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 28, 2021, 10:35:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UZels18l.jpg)

Started reading Scythe a YA fantasy series that had good reviews.


I'm about a 1/5th through at this point at 100 pages and this may be too YA for me. I don't have much YA experience and when I read Sanderson's Skyward YA novel it was enjoyable enough and read well. But this reads...like a kids book.

...except it's a book about government sanctioned serial killers in a futuristic shallowly developed perfect society where people don't naturally die anymore and AI runs everything so in order to keep population control manageable they have grim reapers that go around and murder 5 people / week with government immunity and the book is about a couple of kids apprenticing a killer.

It's an alright concept though I find the worldview way too shallow (kinda like Ready Player One) but it really reads so kiddy. It reads fast because of it and even though it's 500 pages I'll blow through it in a week. But, I think I'll pass on the rest of the series unless my opinion changes by the end.

I feel like light stuff like this would probably be better as an audiobook.


Definitely coming from Abercrombie it's pretty pedestrian prose.
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Post by: Potato on December 29, 2021, 12:18:11 AM
Just finished up Heart of Home: People, Wildlife, Place by Ted Kerasote.

What a wonderful writer!

His ability to tell a story of the human condition in the guise of a story about fishing or hunting is phenomenal.

Highly recommended and I'm happy it will likely be the last book I finish this year.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2021, 09:26:53 AM
Starting up on The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 29, 2021, 07:20:17 PM
Ok, yeah was at the very end of Neverwhere. It was ok, least good book I've read of Gaiman. At this point I should probably finish reading the rest of his published novels since I don't have a lot left. Ocean at the End of the Lane & Norse Mythologies mainly.

Also apparently the Neverwhere sequel is the current book he's been writing. Probably skip it. Not super interested in a bunch of Norse mythology novellas either, so probably will just check out Ocean at the End of the Lane at some point.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2021, 08:40:00 PM
The Witcher show got me back to the books.  Almost done with the second novel (Time of Contempt).  Honestly, the best part of the book is Geralt and Yen's tumultuous love affair and everyone else being super jelly of them.  Pretty sure this series is popular cause nerds don't know they like soap operas. 
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Post by: Coax on December 30, 2021, 11:27:21 PM
Almost done listening to the audiobook of Neil Gaiman's 1996 Neverwhere narrated by Gaiman. Pretty lengthy isekai book about London "below" and think it's pretty ehhh. It would be a good book but jesus christ talk about self-sabotaging a tale with the more whiny unlikeable main character possible.

You reminded me that there's a radio play adaption I heard of this back in 2013 with Benedict Cumberbatch, James McAvoy, Natalie Dormer and others.
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Post by: chronovore on December 31, 2021, 02:16:56 AM
Ok, yeah was at the very end of Neverwhere. It was ok, least good book I've read of Gaiman. At this point I should probably finish reading the rest of his published novels since I don't have a lot left. Ocean at the End of the Lane & Norse Mythologies mainly.

Also apparently the Neverwhere sequel is the current book he's been writing. Probably skip it. Not super interested in a bunch of Norse mythology novellas either, so probably will just check out Ocean at the End of the Lane at some point.

Norse Mythology was quite good. Livens up the material from what I studied in high school (back when it was "current events," ha ha haaaa).
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Post by: Bebpo on January 03, 2022, 05:50:44 AM
Finished reading Neal Shusterman's Scythe and uh I think I read almost half the book tonight (maybe 35-40%).

What seemed kinda teen-ish for the first 1/3rd ended up being pretty good by halfway and then ended up being can't put down for the last 1/3rd. Did not expect to like the book as much as I did from the beginning. I think it's a slow starter.

Good book, I think it's a bit short in that once it really picks up there's some time jumps and stuff where interesting/satisfying things could have definitely been expanded, but story and characters are enjoyable and it comes together pretty well.

Still feels YAish, but feels more like a comic book kind of story. Got fucked up bits and violence and stuff but not particularly mature high-brow.

The book is fully self-contained, but there's two sequels so I'll give them a read at some point. If they're like this, they're short one week books so it's no big commitment.

Apparently Universal is making a movie of it. I think it'd work a lot better as a TV season. Also feels like it'll have to be PG-13 which will neuter it so would not expect much there.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 03, 2022, 05:52:39 AM
Gonna read that Norse Mythology Gaiman book as my next audiobook and I'm thinking in terms of book #2 between Skyward, Scythe and First Law I'm gonna go with First Law #2 next since it was the least self-contained and I'm ready to jump back into the story of these characters.

Though I maaaaay start skimming Wheel of Time #1 and just see if it grabs me first. If it doesn't and it seems like a long, slow read, even having watched the TV show covering it, then I'll put it down and get back to it later.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 03, 2022, 10:05:32 PM
Started reading Wheel of Time. Holy fuck this is dense writing. Takes me a while to get through each page and a there's a lot of pages!

It reminds me of why I can't read a lot of classical fiction. I don't enjoy mostly description text novels. I need at least like 50% of each page to be dialogue and enjoy it when it's more like 75%. I don't think Wheel of Time/Robert Jordan prose is for me if the opening of Wheel of Time #1 is anything  to go by, but it's definitely not what I'm looking for right now for something quick.

I'll give it a deeper read chance at some point later on, but putting this away and jumping into First Law #2.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 04, 2022, 09:38:06 PM
Witcher - Baptism of Fire has been super boring so far.  A third of the way through and it's just people walking in the woods, being assholes. 
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Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2022, 06:36:52 PM
Liked each of these quite a bit, would recommend if you're interested in the underlying topic (how three Progressives approached World War I and America's entrance into it, Nixon's comeback, how the GOP reacted to the Tea Party and Trump):
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1615236955l/57155360.jpg)(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1347835266l/2393575.jpg)(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1563111986l/44148905.jpg)

Up next, some videah and basketball (I think):
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Post by: Bebpo on January 06, 2022, 09:30:40 PM
Almost done listening to the audiobook of Neil Gaiman's 1996 Neverwhere narrated by Gaiman. Pretty lengthy isekai book about London "below" and think it's pretty ehhh. It would be a good book but jesus christ talk about self-sabotaging a tale with the more whiny unlikeable main character possible.

You reminded me that there's a radio play adaption I heard of this back in 2013 with Benedict Cumberbatch, James McAvoy, Natalie Dormer and others.

Yeah, I debated whether to listen to the radio play or the novel read by Gaiman. I looked around and people said the radio play was a pretty abridged version so if you want the full book experience the Gaiman version is preferred.

But I just started the radio play adaptation of The Sandman from last year with a whole cast of actors/actresses and am listening to that. Enjoying it. I've read a few short Sandman comics but not a lot of Sandman so this is pretty fresh to me though I guess it'll spoil the HBO adaptation.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 08, 2022, 02:27:47 PM
So I'm actually slowly enjoying The Wheel of Time Book #1. But yeah it's dense and slow and ridiculously long. I read an hour and get through like 25 pages in this. At around 100 pages out of 1,000 after 4 nights. But I am enjoying it, so will stick with it. Probably take me 1-2 months though.

And yeah, this The Sandman audiobook is rad. Enjoying it a lot on drives so far. Excited for the TV adaptation now. Can see how it'll work. Also Taron Egerton does a surprisingly good Constantine. If they ever try another live action movie of that, he'd be great for the role.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 08, 2022, 06:10:00 PM
Started the last Witcher saga book -- don't like where this is heading.  The fourth book was decent though. 
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Post by: Potato on January 08, 2022, 10:42:46 PM
So I'm actually slowly enjoying The Wheel of Time Book #1. But yeah it's dense and slow and ridiculously long. I read an hour and get through like 25 pages in this. At around 100 pages out of 1,000 after 4 nights. But I am enjoying it, so will stick with it. Probably take me 1-2 months though.

And yeah, this The Sandman audiobook is rad. Enjoying it a lot on drives so far. Excited for the TV adaptation now. Can see how it'll work. Also Taron Egerton does a surprisingly good Constantine. If they ever try another live action movie of that, he'd be great for the role.
You're hardly out of the intro. Shit speeds up real quick.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 09, 2022, 01:52:10 AM
Btw, I thought the TV Sandman was going to be HBO good budget show. Didn't realize it's a Netflix show. Ugh, yeah don't have high hopes for it. Saw they couldn't get Constantine because of rights issue.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 10, 2022, 12:51:40 PM
Double posting this cause I liked it so much

https://twitter.com/scottlynch78/status/1479059079284801537
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 10, 2022, 06:13:51 PM
Finished the Witcher saga books -- not great.  The last book had high points but overall felt contrived and only some of the subversions he was going for really hit.  There was also a lot of stuff that should have been established in the prior 4 books.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2022, 06:06:06 PM
Wheel of Time #1 is ok. About 1/3rd through it. It's very different from the TV show and I'm glad because for such a long book I think it would be boring just reading a novelization of the show. Pretty different events happen and party makeup is different with the Gleeman. Kind of a shame the Gleeman wasn't part of the main party in the show since I thought he was the best actor in S1 and would've helped carry the party.

That said, I still don't know if I like any of these characters. The whole dynamic of the kids not trusting Morraine/Lan just makes the whole party dynamic tedious. Also the pacing sometimes goes quick and then sometimes slogs and is a bit dull. I'll get through like 100 pages some nights and like 15 pages other nights.

The world is way more fleshed out and the book is already so much better than the TV adaptation. But yeah, while it's readable, I can't say I like the story at this point. And the thought of 12 more giant books of this length like this is not very appealing. But will finish this one out and see if it grows on me any further.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 14, 2022, 12:50:48 AM
Eddings was very likely the inspiration for the phrase "extrude fantasy product." There's a lot of walking and eating and singing in LOTR, but it still tells an epic story over its three volumes. Eddings taking four times that for WoT is just milking a not particularly enthused cow.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 14, 2022, 01:16:21 AM
Eddings?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2022, 08:20:58 PM
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I liked this. Not too informative about the gaming industry, especially for most people here. But the stories are fun.

Some tidbits:
-Ubisoft bought Massive because Yves looked at their Metacritic score for World in Conflict, 91, and decided they must be talented.
-Far Cry 3 originally started as a more direct sequel to Far Cry 2, but it got stuck and people left, so it was rebooted into what became Far Cry 3.
-The Division started development all the way back in 2009.
-Massive won the Avatar 2 contract in part because the competing studio head tried to get the producers to celebrate with him and a whole bunch of cocaine!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 15, 2022, 12:12:15 AM
Eddings?

Fuck. I'm like zero for three right now on the Bire.

FINE. Robert Fucking Jordan. Somehow, SOMEHOW I got Wheel of Time mixed up with the Belgariad. Unthinkable, really, because there's so little they share in common with each other.
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Honestly, mea culpa.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 15, 2022, 01:12:43 AM
Either way, I wouldn't call Jordan extruded fantasy product. Unnecessarily verbose and in need of an editor, but that's not really the same thing.

I haven't read enough of eddings to comment there, but what I did read was very decent and not generic fantasy product at all.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 18, 2022, 09:59:06 PM
I Started Wheel of Time (on audiobook while I crochett).  Never had any interest in them till the TV.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 18, 2022, 10:14:59 PM
It is a product of its time being that it was first published in the 1990 when heroic grand fantasy was all the rage and copying Tolkien was just what you did. However, there is a real progression across the decades and overall it is one of the biggest achievements in modern fantasy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2022, 10:55:23 PM
Feels like a Baldur's Gate book with all these town stops and traveling at the midway.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2022, 09:22:02 PM
Also, it took like 500 pages but finally starting to enjoy the point of view characters in Wheel of Time #1. Everyone in the book and the TV seasons are just so whiny, dumb and unlikeable it really makes it hard to get invested.

The main problem is every single character in this book basically has the mindset of "I don't want to be involved in this, I am going to be a dick to everyone, I just want to go home and be over all this" outside Morraine/Lan who get way less screentime in the book than the TV show.

But the characters are getting a bit better finally. The Wolf stuff with Perrin is handled so much better in the book than the TV season.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 19, 2022, 09:25:01 PM
On chapter 14 -- this is a lot more ripped from LOTR than the TV show made it to be.  We are still in escape from the Shire mode. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2022, 09:34:07 PM
It definitely has the small group on the run from supernatural forces Fellowship of the Ring structure, though otherwise I don't get a lot of LoTR vibes from WoT. But I haven't read LoTR, only watched the movies so WoT reminds me more of D&D campaigns.

And a bit of Pillars of Eternity, which obviously borrowed the wheel concept.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 19, 2022, 11:29:48 PM
Also, it took like 500 pages but finally starting to enjoy the point of view characters in Wheel of Time #1. Everyone in the book and the TV seasons are just so whiny, dumb and unlikeable it really makes it hard to get invested.

The main problem is every single character in this book basically has the mindset of "I don't want to be involved in this, I am going to be a dick to everyone, I just want to go home and be over all this" outside Morraine/Lan who get way less screentime in the book than the TV show.

But the characters are getting a bit better finally. The Wolf stuff with Perrin is handled so much better in the book than the TV season.

They are teenagers, so it's kind of realistic in that sense.

On chapter 14 -- this is a lot more ripped from LOTR than the TV show made it to be.  We are still in escape from the Shire mode. 

Jordan said he intentionally wanted the opening to mirror LotR so people felt comfortable. It definitely breaks the shackles of that comparison by the end of the first book though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 20, 2022, 03:42:04 AM
I like this bit where

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Rand and Mat use their gleeman skills of flute playing and juggling that they learned to help them get rooms and food along the way as they travel.

The TV show should've kept this, makes their journey/characters more likeable. But then they also should've had more gleeman to lead to it.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 20, 2022, 10:10:04 PM
20 chapters in and I now have a single completed shitty slipper for my right foot. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 22, 2022, 05:11:09 AM
40 chapters in and I'm surprised what a different story this is than the TV show. That was definitely an adaptation.

Though now that I'm getting closer to the end, I'm surprised how much of the remaining TV show is left to be covered. I heard some of the show is pulled from book 2 and I can see that now as it feels like some huge chunks are left with not enough book to cover them.

I really think it was a poor decision to ditch

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Mat and Rands journey from town to town towards Camelyn. Felt like a proper journey and was finally the part to start getting invested in these characters.

Likewise, ditching Elyas and the full length Perrin/wolves sequence which was good and developing him for a bunch of tinkers time seems like a dumb decision.

It's also interesting how in the book the kids don't know what's really going on the whole time, whereas in the show they tell them right away that one of them is the dragon. Pretty major change.
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Generally I think the plot choices and flow is much better in the book's story. I probably would've been more positive on the book if the show hadn't created a version of this that wasn't so good.

20 chapters in and I now have a single completed shitty slipper for my right foot.

I don't understand this phrase at all.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 22, 2022, 06:21:44 AM
In the day and age of 10 episode seasons and shows rarely getting more than 4-5 season runs, it was a crazy decision to try to adapt a 14 book series.

Even if it's successful, I can't see it managing to get to the end satisfactorily.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 22, 2022, 10:51:32 AM

20 chapters in and I now have a single completed shitty slipper for my right foot.

I don't understand this phrase at all.

Took me 2/5ths of the book to crochet a poorly done slipper
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 22, 2022, 12:17:10 PM
In the day and age of 10 episode seasons and shows rarely getting more than 4-5 season runs, it was a crazy decision to try to adapt a 14 book series.

Even if it's successful, I can't see it managing to get to the end satisfactorily.

Even then the show was only 8eps.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 22, 2022, 12:17:46 PM

20 chapters in and I now have a single completed shitty slipper for my right foot.

I don't understand this phrase at all.

Took me 2/5ths of the book to crochet a poorly done slipper

What does that say about the book?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 22, 2022, 12:22:49 PM
That it is 2.5 slippers long.   

I am enjoying Perrin and wolf stuff a lot more in the book, but at chapter 30, the tv has been a pretty good adaptation so far.   
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2022, 04:27:18 AM
Ok this scene in wheel of time with

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Rand falling into the queen’s garden and meeting the prince and princess and being brought before the queen and her aes sedai in interrogation while the guards are all freaked out.
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Is a better sequence than almost anything in the TV show. Why did they cut that?

Also the book constantly makes a big deal about the Heron-marked sword, but the show mentions it like once and no one even remarks about Rand’s sword the entire season no matter where they go. It’s such a weird difference.

I guess maybe the TV show changes make more sense in the scope of the entire 14 book story, but just as a single book adaptation the differences are so bizarre. Like the first half of book #1 is mostly straightforward adaptation but the back half is a completely different journey.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 23, 2022, 10:35:40 AM
Chapter 33

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The foreshadowing of touching the one power then getting a fever was set up pretty well to show that Rand is chosen one without saying it
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2022, 12:30:49 PM
Yeah, I thought the same.

Generally the flow of the story is just handled differently. In the book it's a mystery of why The Dark One wants Rand and slowly things like that start to give hints at what's going on and why Rand is special which leads to the end.

This is also handled because Rand is the main character and the only other major viewpoint character is Perrin in the book.

Whereas the show makes Morraine the main character and focuses on her and the Aes Sedai and Rand/Perrin/Mat/Egwene/Naivene are all just kind of supporting side characters with minimal importance/development until like the last ep where Rand suddenly just exclaims "Its me!" and then becomes the main character for an episode.

I mean I'm not gonna say the book is amazing or that the show is a travesty. But just in terms of storytelling the book structure makes a lot more sense and flows much better in a traditional storytelling way and as the book goes along I'm more interested and invested in Rand and Perrin, whereas in the show I was never interested in any of the characters outside Morraine because the show never gave a reason to be.

Ironically in the book, Morraine is one of the least invested characters because she gets so little screentime and is kept purposely at a vague distance since the point of views are from the others. She's much more developed in the show.

I'm not a big fan of Jordan's writing style. It just lacks the fun and flavor of other authors I enjoy like Sanderson, King, Gaiman, Abercrombie. It reads more like a book I'd read in Jr. High/High School English class and mostly dry and straight-forward. But the book has gotten interesting enough and started to develop the cast and world building enough that I think I'll read book 2 sometime this year.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2022, 12:50:19 PM
Finished The Sandman: Act 1 audiobook which adapts issues #1-20 of the comic. Was good, but honestly I started losing interest after a while when the series transitions from being about Dream and The Endless to being little episodic tales where Dream or Death shows up for like a scene here or there. Especially since McAvoy and Dennings kill it in the respective roles.

I'm gonna assume Act 2 will adapt issues #21-40 and that they'll do an Act 3 & Act 4 eventually covering the full 77 issue run of the graphic novels. Will be down to listen to it all assuming it doesn't go totally downhill, but definitely need a breather before Act 2. Act 1 was like 13 hours or something.

*edit* Yeah, googled it and Act 2 and Act 3 were greenlit together. So pretty sure they will do the whole run of the GN.

Going to listen to Gaiman's Norse Mythologies book next. It's really short, only 6.5 hours for the audiobook so probably listen to a couple more books before diving back into The Sandman. Was going to listen to Terry Pratchett's Mort but the reviews of the audiobook from decades ago aren't super great and I listened to some samples and didn't enjoy the reader so will just read that one. After Norse Mythologies I'm out of audiobooks so I'll need to find some new ones.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 23, 2022, 10:45:40 PM
At chapter 48 -- feel like a lot of the changes to the TV show were to hid how much of a LOTR rip-off this book is.  Don't know why they cut the princess scene though. 

The audio book version is really nice though.  It's also a super easy book to listen to given the writing style.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2022, 11:15:42 PM
The audio book version is really nice though.  It's also a super easy book to listen to given the writing style.

It's also thirty hours long  :-X

So far every audiobook I've listened to has been between 7-13 hours long. The 13 hours long ones feel pretty lengthy and take me a few weeks with my drives. I can't imagine listening to a 30 hour audiobook even if it takes just as long to read. I guess if you have like 1-2 hours of commuting daily that kind of book is no problem with an audiobook, but I just have like 15-30 min drives around town usually.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 23, 2022, 11:17:12 PM
Also can you describe how WoT is like LoTR? I guess I'm really not a big LoTR fan since I've just seen the movies, but WoT doesn't feel particularly LoTR to me other than Two Rivers people being sorta maybe like Hobbits but really just super rural farm people.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 23, 2022, 11:40:12 PM
An ancient, long-thought-defeated enemy is moving again, gaining power.
The governments of established civilization are happy with the status quo, and either don't believe or are unwilling to act in unison due to distrust.
Despite this, keepers of arcane insight or wisdom lead a search for a means to combat the evil, which involves a miniscule force of average people who are in the wrong place at the right time.
The wizard is a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 24, 2022, 12:12:32 AM
I mean to be fair that's all super generic these days and vague enough that dozens of other stories fit that as well.
I guess I just don't identify that story premise as LoTR, but I guess LoTR was the forerunner that started stories following that concept?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 24, 2022, 01:46:10 AM
Like I said, Jordan was open about how he tried to maintain a familiar LotR-type vibe to the early story beats so that readers felt comfortable.

It certainly doesn't stay that way for long.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 24, 2022, 07:26:02 AM
Also can you describe how WoT is like LoTR?

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0) Two Rivers kids are the hobbits
1) Escape from the shire
2) Moiraine == Gandalf
3) Lan == Aragorn (king without a kingdom)
4) Padan Fain == Golum (stalking around, a compulsion he doesn't want, gandalf has sympathy for)
5) Ogeres == Ents (slow to do things, nature lovers)
6) Fades == Nazaguuls
7) Shadar Logoth/The way == Moria (bridges, lurking evil)
8) The Blight == Mordor
9) Fal Dara == Gondor, with the Seven Towers being Osgiliath
10) Cursed dagger == Frodo getting stabbed + ring madness
11) Then the whole structure is a travellog to get to mount doom

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It's mostly a bunch of small things that by themselves don't feel like a rip-off but all together do.  Like anyone of those points, you can say well sure this part is the same but this part is changed, but then there are so many of them, that the overall book does not feel original.  Eye of the World was basically just the LOTRs greatest hits played out with different characters.  I looked online and I guess the next two books are where it starts to feel like its own story.  There are things that don't fit in LOTRs like the Children of the Light, but given fantasy now that also doesn't feel novel, though it may be for the time.

I'm continuing on with the audiobooks.  Think the high quality narration makes a lot of my issues a lot more tolerable for me. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 24, 2022, 05:06:29 PM
Quick question though Madrun. You say the TV show changes were to move away from feeling like a LoTR clone. But isn't like every single thing in your list in the TV show as well?

I didn't really have a dog in this fight since I didn't hate or love the TV show and just thought it was kinda a so-so season. And I was pretty negative on the first 400 pages of book #1 which was pretty much the same thing. But the back half of book #1 has really soured me on the TV show. Sure I haven't seen the bigger picture across the future books that they took into consideration when writing the TV show, which may be why, but it just feels like a bunch of stupid changes to take a good book (which at this point 100 pages out from finishing it, I agree book #1 is a good book) and make it a so-so TV show.

Out of all the book/film adaptations of recent in the fantasy genre where I've read and watched both, WoT adaptation feels way worse than American Gods which I already thought made way too many changes, but it's better than The Dark Tower adaptation at least.

It feels like Season 5 of Game of Thrones when it started heavily diverging from the source material with Dorne.

I'll be reading book #2, but I'm out on the TV show after reading this. Plus the TV show will keep pulling stuff from later books and don't want to be spoiled. Maybe if I actually read the whole series over like 5 years then I'll watch the rest of the TV show if it's any good and doesn't get cancelled.

I'm kind of annoyed that Sanderson is an executive producer and had some involvement in the TV show though he's stated that he didn't make the plot/script decisions and he disagrees with some of the changes. Mostly because I'd like to think once they start doing TV shows/films of Sanderson's library of works that he'll keep the adaptations on track. Really seems like Mistborn #1 and Skyward #1 are gonna be the first film adaptations of his stuff though I can't see them working outside being cheesy YA stuff that falls through the cracks and never gets a sequel.

I definitely fear for Stormlight Archives getting a TV adaptation that's like WoT TV. Would be depressing. The magic effects in WoT are like CW quality and Stormlight's opening with wall running and gravity shifts and stuff would be similar unless someone like HBO does it, which they won't because Stormlight isn't HBO big.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 24, 2022, 05:21:46 PM
Yes but it's more of how it's focused on those things.  Like by focusing on Moirane we get Gandolf's POV which we didn't get in LOTR, so it might be the same material but its presented differently.  Padan Fain isn't presented in the show as being some half-crazed Golum.  Lan's background didn't get a full episode, where the book it felt like 40 minutes of exposition.  I only really question the abruptness of the ending of the TV show, Perrin and Tom not being as developed, and missing out on the princess scene.  Otherwise, I think I liked a lot of the changes.  Nynaeve was developed better, Logan was done better,  Matt being sick was better, the plotting was more tolerable.  I think both the tv show and the book were solid 6/10 things.

Speaking of exposition, Jordan will use any excuse to go on and on.  A very non-spoiler thing from the second book:

 
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Trollics vandalize a wall by writing in blood and when they translate the writing it's like a 10 page long exposition :dead
Like I'm imagining it's like 12 point font just covering an entire room.
 
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 24, 2022, 06:29:49 PM
I mean instead Padan Fang basically isn't in the show outside like 2 moments. His character makes more sense in the book.

Logain stuff was idk. I liked some of it in the TV show. Like the initial introduction where he takes a castle and the scene where he frees himself. But otherwise that and all the Aes Sedai/warder stuff (which I assume is pulled from book #2) just dragged the TV show. The scene in the TV show about the warder and his funeral was incredibly boring/uninteresting and not what the show needed at that point. I was like why should I care about some warder guy who isn't Lan?

Essentially when you take out the non-Book 1 content eps, they tried doing Book 1, which is almost 900 pages, in like 6 eps, so you get a super rushed truncated version with almost no development.

Mat is equally annoying in both. Hated him in the show, dislike him in the book. Nynaeve has more development in the show, but I disliked her in the show because she was just always being a pain in the ass. In the book she's so much more tolerable as a character. So even though she got more stuff in the show, I feel like the show made her worse and very unlikeable.

Lan is better in the show though. Feels like he has more scenes and development.

Also I think replacing Camelyn with Tar Varon in the show was a really bad choice. Instead if they'd spent more time with Tom and lead that into the Queen's Blessing in and the town politics and the queen/princess stuff and reunion, it'd have been a much better choice. I thought Camelyn is where the book came together.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 24, 2022, 06:34:09 PM
Also the white cloak stuff in the show was good, at least the main inquisitor, but then because they didn't develop the wolf stuff/perrin well the ending where a bunch of wolves just show up out of nowhere and beat up the white cloaks was laughable. Lan/Morraine/Nyaneve sneaking in on a stealth mission and reuniting with them was a lot better.

I think they really flubbed the wolf stuff with Perrin, which are parts I liked a good deal in the book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on January 24, 2022, 06:45:33 PM
Perrin is the MVP early days, but I think another character will take over your affections soon
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2022, 03:19:53 AM
Ok, finished Wheel of Time #1

That entire ending sequence is so different from the show it made my headspin. Like the amount of TV show characters killed off or left aside where none of that happens in the book is just kinda hmmm.

And the Forsaken/Green Knight stuff was a lot more interesting than the TV ending.

About the only thing that's the same in the back half of the book and TV show is the completely terrible out of nowhere romance between Nyaeneve and Lan which is just random afk in both. I thought it was a TV show thing but then that same conversation just randomly happens in the Blight about her wanting to marry him. So terrible.

So I guess Book #2 is about the trip of moving the horn down to Illian? The horn that they don't even have in the TV show S1 ending. So many changes.

In the end I enjoyed the story of WoT #1 and somewhat enjoyed the characters, but I never really enjoyed the prose and act of reading it. Out of all the authors I've read in the last bunch of years, Jordan's writing is the least enjoyable for me. I'd say the TV show S1 was a 6/10 and book #1 was like a 7/10.

I hope TV S1 didn't spoil too much of the content of book #2 already.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 27, 2022, 08:20:40 AM
Finished the second book -- liked it better than the first but I still wouldn't call it more than an OK book.  It reminded me of Supernatural in a high fantasy setting at times, which is when I liked it the most.  At least it's separated itself from LOTRs now.  I could honestly see this being condensed into 5 episodes though. 

Season 1 didn't spoil anything of book 2.  Think most of the cuts are just trimming the fat. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on January 28, 2022, 09:51:10 PM
Anybody have recs on like, the early stages of a business? First hires, org structure, that kind of thing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: archnemesis on January 29, 2022, 03:38:58 AM
Anybody have recs on like, the early stages of a business? First hires, org structure, that kind of thing.
It's highly dependent on which type of business your running. Is this for movies or did you go back to software development?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on January 29, 2022, 06:32:04 PM
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This was alright. It's about KD and Kyrie's first year in Brooklyn which, of course, ended with COVID and the George Floyd protests. The book tries to weave some interconnected narrative between all these things and paint Kyrie and KD as these innovate revolutionary thinkers on racial politics and business. Except it's Garrett Temple who does everything involving the protests and Spencer Dinwiddie who's the innovative business guy. (And also, hovering over the entire book and in both these things is LeBron.) I admit that the picture of Kyrie is now colored with how he's spent the last year especially since he spends much of the book talking about how much he just wants to win and how all his power plays to replace the coach, trade out the young talent for veterans, etc. is all towards that goal. Finally, KD spends like the entire book just smoking weed and rehabbing. :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on January 29, 2022, 06:44:09 PM
Anybody have recs on like, the early stages of a business? First hires, org structure, that kind of thing.
It's highly dependent on which type of business your running. Is this for movies or did you go back to software development?

The intention is to pick up skills for my film production co.

I feel like no matter the industry there's some truisms and procedural/bureaucratic stuff every 1-10 person company should know about. Like I really need to hire someone who can be a good lieutenant but I'm curious how responsibility and job assignments break out once there's more work than you as a single person can do. Mostly I suppose I need to get over some trust issues maybe? :thinking
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on January 29, 2022, 09:32:54 PM
Learning to delegate well is a core problem for anyone who started by doing everything on their own. When you've covered every base, and were solely responsible for everything, it's easy to control and verify and to hold yourself responsible. The trouble is, it doesn't scale at all.

Finding people whom you trust is difficult, but it's the only way to reliably scale your capacity.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: archnemesis on January 30, 2022, 05:44:42 AM
I know nothing about film production, but I suspect that your first hires would be people who can help you get funding. I've worked for startups who have received millions in government grants. Once you start hiring staff you will burn through that money fast. If you're lucky it will support you through the early stages until you have a steady revenue stream.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 01, 2022, 07:47:36 AM
In the middle of WoT book 4.  WoT books feel like a CW show -- like almost all the drama is created by people just not talking to each other or having inexplicable romances and there seems to be seasonal macguffins.

I mean, I'm into it, but in the same way that I like Supernatural or Arrow. 

The actual plots have generally increased in quality as it has gone on though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 01, 2022, 09:09:01 PM
Anybody have recs on like, the early stages of a business? First hires, org structure, that kind of thing.

Write a business plan. It’s not a silver bullet but as you write it, your true needs will start to emerge along with some structure behind it. I looked up “Business plans for film production” and found several links that looked decent. If you want any financing, having one is necessary as a matter of course.

I co-sign knowing when to delegate. It allows you to focus on what you need to focus on. It’s unlikely that someone will have all the skills needed but if they’re eager and willing to do the right thing, giving them an opportunity to step up can get you there.

I’ve managed tens of millions of dollars of government grants, just be aware of the strings attached. Some agencies, it’s like a blank check. Others, there are so many provisions in place that they dictate all kinds of awful things and/or can intervene at any point they please if they disagree with the direction you take.

Getting a new business off the ground is really challenging so I salute you stepping up.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2022, 01:16:41 AM
I know nothing about film production, but I suspect that your first hires would be people who can help you get funding. I've worked for startups who have received millions in government grants. Once you start hiring staff you will burn through that money fast. If you're lucky it will support you through the early stages until you have a steady revenue stream.

Learning to delegate well is a core problem for anyone who started by doing everything on their own. When you've covered every base, and were solely responsible for everything, it's easy to control and verify and to hold yourself responsible. The trouble is, it doesn't scale at all.

Finding people whom you trust is difficult, but it's the only way to reliably scale your capacity.

Anybody have recs on like, the early stages of a business? First hires, org structure, that kind of thing.

Write a business plan. It’s not a silver bullet but as you write it, your true needs will start to emerge along with some structure behind it. I looked up “Business plans for film production” and found several links that looked decent. If you want any financing, having one is necessary as a matter of course.

I co-sign knowing when to delegate. It allows you to focus on what you need to focus on. It’s unlikely that someone will have all the skills needed but if they’re eager and willing to do the right thing, giving them an opportunity to step up can get you there.

I’ve managed tens of millions of dollars of government grants, just be aware of the strings attached. Some agencies, it’s like a blank check. Others, there are so many provisions in place that they dictate all kinds of awful things and/or can intervene at any point they please if they disagree with the direction you take.

Getting a new business off the ground is really challenging so I salute you stepping up.

Thanks guys.

The business plan was drafted last year, but it does need updating for 2022 stuff + some tightening. As I started to spin everything up I wasn't really aggressive about generating income (I have a good runway), but that can stand to change.

Thankfully, investments made in 2021 will start to pay off in the first half of this year, and I plan to capitalize on that momentum.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 11, 2022, 06:38:01 PM
WoT is getting pretty annoying. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 11, 2022, 06:53:06 PM
WoT is getting pretty annoying.

What book are you at now? You're still listening to the audiobooks, right? How many hundreds of hours in are you...they're like 30 hours each.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 11, 2022, 07:07:22 PM
Towards the end of book 6.  I had to do a bunch of prep stuff the last three weeks so I could listen while I worked.   ~200ish hours I think that is. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 11, 2022, 07:54:29 PM
My understanding of WoT is that around book 5 or 6 it hits the suck and stays there until Jordan dies and then Sanderson writes a good finale with the last 3 books.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 11, 2022, 10:37:29 PM
I think the slump is a little overblown, but there is a real slowdown in pacing from 6-12. I think it's because the focus is less on Rand and more on some of the less engaging characters, depending on your personal preferences.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 14, 2022, 08:36:06 AM
https://ebookclub.tor.com/
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 14, 2022, 03:10:04 PM
https://ebookclub.tor.com/
All Systems Red is amazing, Silver in the Woods is ok, haven't read the other one.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 15, 2022, 02:10:59 AM
https://ebookclub.tor.com/
All Systems Red is amazing, Silver in the Woods is ok, haven't read the other one.
Really enjoyed All Systems Red, and Artificial Condition. I'm starting Rogue Protocol this week. Seems similarly great.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 15, 2022, 07:29:34 PM
WoT:  introduces a new super powerful healer

Healer:  you don't mind if I talk while I do this, it helps me do magic better  *proceeds to tell life story without being prompted

:dead
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 15, 2022, 09:25:45 PM
(https://images-fe.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51XQaWh1LNL._AC_UL348_SR348,348_.jpg)

Started on this. Only one chapter in, so can't comment on the content.

Amusingly, it's been a long time since I read a hard copy book and I've barely read a handful of them in the last decade
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2022, 09:32:34 PM
My mom likes GRRM and Ice & Fire, Gaiman, King, horror/fantasy/mystery/thriller. She's picky about writing style and doesn't like Brandon Sanderson, which I get cause some people don't enjoy his plain prose, but I'd lent her Abercrombie's First Law #1 and she just told me she got bored and bailed pretty quick on it. I figured since she likes GRRM she'd like Abercrombie but it still just seems pretty random what books she likes /shrug

Meanwhile I'm very slowly plugging away at First Law #2. Been distracted reading Marvel's Secret Invasion comic event and almost done with Neil Gaiman's Norse Mythology audiobook. What I've read of First Law #2 is enjoyable and fine, too early to have much more of consensus.

Norse Mythology is ok, it's basically making me more aware that the Norse Gods are all dicks. Every story is them doing something stupid and getting in trouble but rather than own up the repercussions they lie, cheat and trick their way out of them. Because I guess those were positive values for the Norse people back then? Why be good when you can cheat someone?

Also was neat reading the tale that the AC Valhalla, Asgard questline was based on The Master Builder. AC did it pretty close.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 15, 2022, 10:28:28 PM
I have similar tastes to your mother and Abercrombie bored me too.

As far as the Norse Gods being dicks, that's pretty common across all the European pagan religions. Kind of like how the old testament god is a complete bastard too.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 16, 2022, 01:00:26 AM
God being an asshole is a great way to explain a whole bunch of life.

Amazing that Jesus somehow took the Old Testament God and convinced everyone that he's a benevolent, loving god, just really mysterious why so much bad shit happens all the fucking time.

Greeks had it right, giving a pantheon of jerkfaces to blame things on, petty infighting, humans just caught up in forces of nature.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 16, 2022, 01:09:04 AM
Best part about the Greek gods was that the fucking over of humanity by the gods also included literal fucking.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on February 16, 2022, 04:54:01 PM
God being an asshole is a great way to explain a whole bunch of life.

Amazing that Jesus somehow took the Old Testament God and convinced everyone that he's a benevolent, loving god, just really mysterious why so much bad shit happens all the fucking time.

Greeks had it right, giving a pantheon of jerkfaces to blame things on, petty infighting, humans just caught up in forces of nature.

I dunno, there's something hippy-ish and flower child about Jesus. He really just makes his ancestors (and contemporaries) look like a bunch of dicks in comparison. Like I imagine Buddha would be if I ever did any research on Buddhism.

Gods being total dicks makes for some great (and literal) drama, of course.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 16, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
Marvel really white-washed Odin in their version of Thor.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 19, 2022, 06:07:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rIRDtdBl.jpg)

Read Fangs by Sarah Anderson for a book club. It's a story told through one page, often 4-panel, webcomics about a romance between a gothy vampire and a hipster werewolf.

It's extremely cute, but doesn't have much of a connective story to it. There's almost no story at all after the intro tbh. A good set of the panels are pretty funny like when the werewolf says "we should have a baby" and there's a pause and the vampire says "...for dinner?"

It's pretty short and the actual physical book is really nice with a felt red cover and black pages. Definitely a good gift present for any goth girls or boys in your life.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 20, 2022, 02:14:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rIRDtdBl.jpg)

Read Fangs by Sarah Anderson for a book club. It's a story told through one page, often 4-panel, webcomics about a romance between a gothy vampire and a hipster werewolf.

It's extremely cute, but doesn't have much of a connective story to it. There's almost no story at all after the intro tbh. A good set of the panels are pretty funny like when the werewolf says "we should have a baby" and there's a pause and the vampire says "...for dinner?"

It's pretty short and the actual physical book is really nice with a felt red cover and black pages. Definitely a good gift present for any goth girls or boys in your life.

Seemed like something I'd like, so scoped Amazon for it. German and French Kindle editions are on sale, but no sign of an English Kindle edition.  :-\
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 20, 2022, 05:17:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rIRDtdBl.jpg)

Read Fangs by Sarah Anderson for a book club. It's a story told through one page, often 4-panel, webcomics about a romance between a gothy vampire and a hipster werewolf.

It's extremely cute, but doesn't have much of a connective story to it. There's almost no story at all after the intro tbh. A good set of the panels are pretty funny like when the werewolf says "we should have a baby" and there's a pause and the vampire says "...for dinner?"

It's pretty short and the actual physical book is really nice with a felt red cover and black pages. Definitely a good gift present for any goth girls or boys in your life.

Seemed like something I'd like, so scoped Amazon for it. German and French Kindle editions are on sale, but no sign of an English Kindle edition.  :-\

That's bizarre.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 20, 2022, 10:02:30 PM
Yeah, probably something to do with the local publishing rights, when they were purchased. FANGS author may have signed a US-domestic agreement with a partner who is sitting on their thumbs. :-/
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 12:19:09 AM
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A really nice history of the ACLU from its founding up to about 2019 using stuff from their own archives. Especially the early founding fights against suppression of speech against war, for labor rights, against McCarthyism, Skokie, etc. Then *grumble grumble* takes the same turn as the modern ACLU with a final chapter that says that in the Age of Trump the threat of misinformation and white supremacy is too high now and the ACLU needs to probably stop spending resources on fighting government suppression of information until the threat passes. How do you so miss the point of your own book?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 21, 2022, 04:43:10 PM
I'm unsubbing from audible and need to use my credits on audiobooks. I have 3 credits left. For one I'm gonna use on The Sandman Act II, but not sure what else to get/read. I don't think I could listen to something like Wheel of Time in audiobook because I listen when I'm driving and sometimes I'll tune out and miss stuff so can't be anything dense.

Maybe Harry Potter #1? Never read them. Rowlings sucks but I'd like to get around to reading them someday or watching the movies since they're a part of modern culture and everyone person I've ever dated has been a big HP fan.

*edit* Actually, gonna get Gaiman's Ocean at the end of the Lane since it's I think the only novel I haven't read of his at this point. So just need one other book.

*edit 2* googled best Stephen King audiobooks since I very much enjoy King and haven't read much of his post-Dark Tower era stuff outside Dr. Sleep which was meh. Been meaning to read or watch 11.22.63 since I hear its good and the mini-series adaptation is excellent. Anyhow googled and one of the top ones I haven't read is Joyland, a noir detective story from 2013. Sounds good and it's relatively short (~7 hours, I won't touch 20-30 hour audiobooks). I guess catching up on Harry Potter gets pushed off again.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 21, 2022, 05:13:11 PM
Wheel of Time audiobooks are the only reason I'm continuing the series --the narration is great.

You might like the Library at Mount Char, which also has good audio. 

If you do Harry Potter ever, make sure it's the Stephen Fry versions. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 21, 2022, 05:34:50 PM
I'm sure the WoT audiobooks are great, but they're so long it would take me 3 months to get through one since it already takes me 3-4 weeks to get through a 7-10 hour audiobook, and WoT book #1 I would re-read paragraphs a lot because it's dense with a lot happening in a paragraph so it wouldn't work for audiobook format for me.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 21, 2022, 06:09:25 PM
I keep zoning out while listening to them and it turns out that past book 5 it's ok, because nothing happens.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 25, 2022, 11:45:13 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/t1dexr/selfpublished_fantasy_blog_off_finalists_mega_sale/
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 10:26:14 PM
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Pretty pretty good. The premise is to take some kind of recent popular culture thing and then explain the semi-related Supreme Court rulings in plain language that outline the status of the First Amendment protections they've ruled on so you can know the law. Like it discusses Colin Kaepernick's protest and then talks about the Courts rulings on requiring the pledge, which is not perfect but you take what you can get I suppose, SNL parodying Trump to his anger and Hustler's case with Farwell is probably a closer example used. If I have to quibble, at one point they say that there's "no simple answers" as to whether or not the First Amendment prevents the government from outlawing speech it doesn't like which I find is contradicted by the fact that "shall make no law" does not have an "unless it wants to" clause. Also there's a bit of worrying about "misinformation" like the above ACLU book, although this one certainly does not take the position that this means the state should murder people who speak misinformation merely suggesting that it "complicates" things. (It does not.)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2022, 03:36:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a-k6eaT-jQ

jesus
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on March 01, 2022, 05:31:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a-k6eaT-jQ

jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpPUk39S0Hk
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 01, 2022, 06:10:09 PM
Yeah, he's gonna release 6 books in 2023 including a 1,000+ finale to this Stormlight arc


 2023 - GONNA BE FANTASY EATING
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 02, 2022, 03:06:11 PM
Goddamn, Sanderson kickstarter already at $16M and about to overtake Pebble ($20M) as the most funded kickstarter of all time.

There is no way that Sanderon's stuff doesn't start getting TV/film adaptations in the next decade. His stuff is very popular. I'd love an HBO Game of Thrones budget TV adaptation of Stormlight. That's about the only way it could work. I would not love a Wheel of Time budget TV adaptation of Stormlight.

Realistically though, they'll make a Mistborn The Final Empire movie and ehhhhh, don't have the highest hopes for it. I think TFE is too generic to standout in films. Probably more likely if Skyward gets made it could be a moderate success to the YA crowd though it's kind of hard SF and that doesn't appeal to YA crowd.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 11, 2022, 04:09:05 AM
Midway through First Law #2

Book is doing a good job at having exciting high stakes stuff going on with all the viewpoints at the same time. Normally viewpoint books have the less interesting viewpoints, but juggling three major arcs in three varied locations is working really well here.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Jezal now brokejaw :o
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 12:08:50 PM
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I have no complaints about the content (except the usage of Latinx), not even the clunky cac references to BLM or The 1619 Project. It's probably super informative to non-libertarians. But so so many paragraphs are repeated nearly verbatim. To use the last chapter as an example, when he discusses immunity he starts by describing what it is and explaining past precedent on it, which would be great but there's like six chapters on immunity and a few others also touch on it and he does it every single time and for multiple subjects. Immunity is really important but not that important! The part about possible reforms is good, so often people default to "overthrow the law" or "eliminate the Supreme Court" as the only possible solutions, actually working in this area Chemerinsky knows there's plenty to be done, especially at the state level where the Supreme Court cannot tread in restricting rights. (The principles of American federalism are such that the federal Constitution can protect your rights from the states violating them but do not empower the states to violate your rights within their own constitutional protections. i.e. Even if the federal Constitution says your rights aren't protected, the California Constitution may go further and thus restrict the California and local governments more so, the federal Supreme Court does not get to overrule and eliminate these protections.) I also like that he mentions stuff in dissents (even if in the case of the police once progressive heroes like RBG rarely dissented or restricted the police, Scalia did as much), a lot of people will ignore them since they aren't binding in any way, but they can win later on, at other levels and in other ways.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2022, 09:16:21 PM
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I liked this. I was initially concerned because of the title but it didn't try to make everyone seem all noble and principled and brilliant with no problems ever their fault. The only people who seemed to get any positive spin were Obama and Buttigieg, who seemed to be sources for the book. My favorite part was just how many of the candidates started thinking they should run the moment Trump won and then how many decided they "had" to run to stop Bernie too. Apparently Berniebros are not fan of the book or author because he didn't write a hagiography about how Bernie was perfect and there was a conspiracy to steal everything from Bernie because he was perfect. But it actually makes Warren look like she screwed over or at least tried to screw over Bernie multiple times out of spite. The chapters after the election were a little odd in structure, I think he might have intended to end the book with the election but then January 6th happened and he tries to work that in but it breaks away from the rest of the book's style and just tells you what happened. Also he makes fun of Rudy a few times but completely leaves out Rudy's failures in court, doesn't even mention how bad all of Trump's court challenges were.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 22, 2022, 10:30:29 AM
Middle Game is free from Tor
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 23, 2022, 09:04:40 AM
Library at Mount Char is 2$  https://www.amazon.com/Library-at-Mount-Char-ebook/dp/B00NRQRWAA/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?qid=1648024359&s=digital-text&sr=1-7 

One of the books I think about most after reading
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 25, 2022, 05:52:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ffYQel0h.jpg)

Finished the audiobook of Stephen King's Joyland in his non-horror short pulp series.


It was just ok. The first half of the book is great. Great companion piece to Nightmare Alley. The second half is like a bit boring/sappy romance and the thriller reveals were kinda plain and drawn out. Honestly was a bit bored with the last 1/3rd. Good characters, good setting and pretty well written. Just not a particular interesting story.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 05, 2022, 07:40:54 AM
Going through Berserk a second time. Made a doom metal playlist to listen to whilst reading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA8BQPDKGuM

Good combination.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on April 05, 2022, 04:06:32 PM
Cathedral
 :rejoice :preach :respect :delicious
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2022, 02:42:31 PM
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Disappointing. There are Wikipedia entries on some Amendments that have more information, detail, etc. A lot of the sources for this were the Congress' History section on their website. The most interesting part was probably the parts at the start not about any amendments. The Bill of Rights and some past proposed amendments get some really short treatments while others get really long ones with no clear rhyme or reason to this. I did learn from this though that a southern Senator (from Mississippi I think so probably James Eastland) compared eliminating the poll tax to vote as similar to "Hitler's crimes" which seems a bit much.

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Comic adaption of the novel, I put it in here because I figure most people will have read the book. I actually liked the stuff in Lakeside more than all the stuff to do with Wednesday and most of the gods.

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Good enough, no real complaints. The former spent quite a lot of time, like a third of the book or more, on Harlan's "adopted brother" (it's complicated) which is a little weird. The latter included some travelogues by the author which was boring. Also the jacket of the latter claims the book is "hilarious" which I must have a different definition of.

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 :delicious
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Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2022, 09:19:46 PM
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Was alright. The main problem is that it didn't actually establish them as friends, just work buddies who temporarily agreed about the Gulf War. Some good Cheney quotes though. Also early in the W. administration Rumsfeld and Rice and some others were poking fun at Powell about how if they had a meeting at the State Department they'd expect a lavishly catered meal like state dinners. So when they did it was a big fancy affair with silver everywhere and they lifted up the trays and underneath was a brown paper bag with a turkey sandwich inside.

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An odd book. In 1943, Henry Luce paid $200,000 for a commission full of academics to issue a report on freedom of the press and it was useless and everyone hated it. Except now it's treasured by journalism schools and the report is assigned in all of them. This is about the commissions work and writing the report. The actual journalism stuff is dumb and boring but I liked this because all the academics except a couple had nutty ideas and were totally naïve. A bunch believed that "freedom of the press" doesn't mean you should be able to print things the government doesn't like. Others thought you should be able to take journalists to court where a judge would declare whether or not the article was true. One dude was a "reformed fascist" except for that part where he still was a complete totalitarian, he thought the government should nationalize the media because it was too dangerous to allow to undermine democracy since the people were just an unintelligent mass that did whatever they were told by elites. One dude thought the First Amendment should mean that any "reputable person" should be able to publish for free any "reasonable opinion" in a newspaper or whatever even if the newspaper didn't want to publish it. The author mentions there's some "eerie concerns" that still apply today like consolidation of outlets and so on but he missed the biggest one which was all these academics whining about how disinformation is too dangerous to democracy to allow a free press. But since they couldn't actually agree on much of anything, none of this made it into the report which was bland, not really philosophical and nobody remembered it existed for fifty years or so.

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Oral history from the guy who did the ones for SNL and ESPN. About HBO. Nearly 1000 pages. Covers it from the start in the 1970s up through AT&T's purchase with a few updates about the recent years towards the Warner Discovery spin-off. Covers a bunch of the shows and documentaries and HBO Sports and so on, though not too many in detail which I admit would be difficult. Funniest thing is how many of these executives are still butthurt and seething over stuff that happened like 15-30 years ago. I don't even mean legitimate gripes that recalling the history brought up but just petty shit. Richard Plepler comes off as a total asshole, even his own comments make him sound like it. The top Warner/HBO executives all thought AT&T was going to not change anything except to just give them tons more money. :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on April 25, 2022, 10:59:09 PM
Finished this

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Now on to this
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Amazing how the ideas in The Revolt of the Masses which was published in 1930 are still so relevant today.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on April 26, 2022, 03:42:20 AM
Finally finished First Law Book #2 - Before They are Hanged. Was good! No complaints. Didn't have big conclusions but coming from the first book I didn't expect it to. Enjoyed the characters and their journeys. All three story arcs that were going on were interesting.

Given the kind of slower pace of the first two books, it definitely feels like there's a lot of stuff to wrap up in the 3rd book. Looking forward to seeing how it ties together.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on April 27, 2022, 04:48:07 AM
It all gets a solid, thrilling finish. Fucking amazing finale.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 27, 2022, 05:35:09 AM
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2022, 05:42:25 AM
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript


Please don't post alt-right conspiracy theories in our book thread, thank you.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on April 29, 2022, 10:40:09 PM
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Oral history from the guy who did the ones for SNL and ESPN. About HBO. Nearly 1000 pages. Covers it from the start in the 1970s up through AT&T's purchase with a few updates about the recent years towards the Warner Discovery spin-off. Covers a bunch of the shows and documentaries and HBO Sports and so on, though not too many in detail which I admit would be difficult. Funniest thing is how many of these executives are still butthurt and seething over stuff that happened like 15-30 years ago. I don't even mean legitimate gripes that recalling the history brought up but just petty shit. Richard Plepler comes off as a total asshole, even his own comments make him sound like it. The top Warner/HBO executives all thought AT&T was going to not change anything except to just give them tons more money. :lol

This is on my list! Was really excited to get to it but at lot of reviews find it pretty meandering and disconnected, and bloated too. Still planning on getting to it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on April 29, 2022, 10:43:59 PM
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Covers the 7-month period in 2019-2020 that saw Disney+, HBO Max, Apple TV+, Quibi, and Peacock all launch. Written by two people from Deadline, and recommended by Vulture's Josef Adalian (who does the streaming-centric Buffering newsletter I sub to).

Only about a chapter in at the moment, and a lot of the language is a bit overwrought, but it's a subject I'm interested in and is a pretty easy read so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2022, 11:32:33 PM
This is on my list! Was really excited to get to it but at lot of reviews find it pretty meandering and disconnected, and bloated too. Still planning on getting to it.
It probably is meandering and disconnected if you're not used to these types of histories. It's mostly in a chronological order but the way these are often done is like say there's section where the executive is talking about how profits were down and "we didn't have any great new show ideas, just some crap starring some nobody about a gangster in New Jersey" and then it transitions into talking about the start of The Sopranos.

Bloated is accurate but it actually made me wish it was two books (like the Star Trek ones were) because they'd start mentioning stuff about a show and then it's never talked about again. So probably good editing would have cut stuff. If you go by how it's talked about in the book, Eastbound and Down was a complete failure that everybody in the company hated. Except it gets four seasons in the real world, the book never comes back to it after people dislike the pilot. Similarly the book makes you think Arli$$ was cancelled after two seasons because the executives didn't like it, when the fan response kept it on the air for another five!

Whole thing actually felt very rushed, there are typos galore throughout it, missing quotation marks, confusing millions and billions, etc. It sorta feels like the guy may not have actually been done but the book was maybe pushed out to match the Warner Discovery spin-off deal or something. Or maybe he had just spent too long on it and ran out of time.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on April 30, 2022, 12:45:50 AM
Lines up with the reviews I saw. It's daunting but I do want to get to it eventually.

Maybe someday they do a new edition with revised editing...
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 07, 2022, 04:15:47 AM
Finished Gaiman's The Ocean at the End of the Lane.

It was ok, the lore was good, the beginning was good, the end was good, but a huge chunk of the middle is spent on this spooky nanny monster and it's just boring. Feels like the case of a good setting/lore but not a particularly good story set within it.

Now I've read or seen movie adaptations of all Gaiman's catalog. The only ones I didn't read and watched the movie instead were Coraline and Stardust which I hear were both pretty faithful and good adaptations. I wouldn't mind reading Stardust at some point I guess. Though I also haven't finished his Sandman run or some of his other comic works either. Will get back to Sandman soon.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2022, 03:41:32 PM
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Liked it quite a bit. It's a history of Scientology not a description, so it's far less about beliefs and practices and more about the people and events. I glanced at the Goodreads reviews and it seems people wanted the former with criticism and were upset about instead learning about how fucking nuts L. Ron Hubbard was. The only celebrities really involved is Tom Cruise and Paul Haggis which also seems to be one of the major laments as I guess people wanted more celebrity action after Leah Remini's series.

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More of a biography of Ted Turner really, which was fine. The history of CNN itself almost entirely ends after it goes on the air. I didn't mind that it was so focused on Turner and the growth of his entire media empire but it was a little weird that it was framed as a history of CNN.

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Also fine. Starts with Helms who was not the first CIA director but the fifth "full" director which is a bit odd. Also seems to believe certain directors more than others based on how they were in personal interviews, for example because John Brennan was so forthcoming he seems to believe he's an apolitical straight shooter. Allows James Clapper (who was not a CIA director and is a known perjurer) a few pages to spread weird conspiracy theories along with his belief that Obama should have ordered the CIA to elect Hillary Clinton. The final chapter is just about Trump who was also not a CIA director to my knowledge. Not even what his CIA directors did to respond to him but really just about him, which while enjoyable enough is a weird swerve. Another odd thing is he leaves the years off after dates quite often and the order of events isn't chronological so you have no idea what year something happened. Amusingly it seems like he tried to hide a guys identity on photo captions by only identifying him by his position but then in the chapter itself it says the dude's name a bunch of times and connects him to that position. Great OPSEC dude, hope that's not what the CIA itself is practicing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2022, 11:33:59 PM
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How shosta personally ruined an entire American city. Book was actually a little better than I expected after having read some of his articles before. He's now running for Governor of California too. The book is mostly good at identifying the problems, but like most books the solutions don't really make much sense. He's more on the Himu side of things than the shosta side but I still thought the critiques of certain things were solid. Probably the oddest thing, especially with the subtitle, is less that it's aimed at convincing progressives that they're fucking up than it seems to be like he figured it out and really wants to tell conservatives something they probably already assume. I thought it was most effective in the places where he talked to more progressive advocates who helped make the case that whatever policy was failing on their own terms. In other words, he should have written his entire book solely for me.

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Oral history of The Office, with many of the actors and so on, written by the actor who played Kevin based on stuff he compiled for his podcast. Pretty good, the background stuff about how it came to be is better than the rest of the book where they sort of rush through the actual series. And not just because Greg Daniels also talks some about King of the Hill and how it informed his vision for The Office. Worst of all is the constant injection of Vox writer Emily VanDerWerff, an awful person who was not involved in The Office and literally has nothing to say about it. I'm not joking, there was lots of words but basically no content. The one attempt at trying to construct a thought was just gibberish about how the true meaning and value of the show was somehow revealed by Trump-era capitalism. Heartwarming part in the book is people reveal that during the writers strike Greg Daniels gave all the crew $1000 personally to help them through it.

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Superior book about the superior NBC show. The same kind of thing but leans a bit more into covering every single episode even if barely. I think the best part of it was also the early development and early years of the show. Funniest part was the writer talking about people confusing Tina Fey and Sarah Palin and then himself writing that something Fey did was something Palin did. Book spends a lot of time complaining about how problematic 30 Rock was and invites in only white people like the author to say that pulling episodes from streaming was the right thing after the world discovered black people existed in 2020, with the one black person asked saying that nothing should have been pulled, while lamenting that other episodes weren't pulled due to transphobia and fatphobia. As if this wasn't bad enough it then brings in fucking VanDerWerff to say literally nothing informative about the show but spend tons of time complaining solely about how problematic the humor was and how "we" just didn't know better back then along with how sad it is that Tina Fey hasn't learned to do better. How does someone this awful with nothing useful to say keep winding up in books? If the next book I read about PayPal has them in it I'm quitting reading forever.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on May 31, 2022, 09:06:00 PM
What's your guys' entertainment breakdown?

I used to be like

[=======   ] 65% films
[==        ] 20% shows
[=         ] 10% comics/manga
[=         ] 5% books


Now I'm more like

[=====     ] 45% films
[====      ] 35% shows
[==        ] 15% books
[=         ] 5% comics/manga


Still want to push books higher... :thinking

I'm ditching my laptop for a desktop + Kindle setup. I figure maybe if the Kindle is next to my bed instead of a laptop I'll do more book-reading lol.

(I do read an insane amount of news and Wiki articles, but I assume everyone does and I don't think that type of reading should be included among entertainment choices.)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on May 31, 2022, 11:26:13 PM
60% shows
30% books
10% films
 :donot % comics and manga
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2022, 11:27:45 PM
I used to be more balanced but recently, as one might glean from my posts in this thread, I've been like 90% books. Even without this little bulge since the pandemic it'd still be books, then comics. I have barely watched films in recent years outside of titanic Academy Award winning works of art like Zack Snyder's Justice League, I don't even really have many on a list to watch or anything like I do a bunch of TV shows. Seem to watch the ones I do almost semi-randomly.

It's funny because I'll be like "meh, don't want to commit to watching something for a couple hours" but then I'll wind up reading. Though it does seem much easier for me to read and do other things at the same time, which like you I'll also do reading stuff online.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: archnemesis on June 01, 2022, 03:33:26 AM
I'm split pretty equally between movies, TV series, novels, video games, and board games. Comics rarely hold my attention anymore. I started reading the Sandman omnibus a couple months back. It was pretty good, but halfway through I realized that I would rather read a novel.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Polident Hive on June 01, 2022, 05:26:08 AM
Habits formed during those early Covid days kept up. I read a lot more to get out of my office area and away from my monitor. Have a healthy amount of book books but did purchase a kindle. That led to reading more manga. Nothing Jump related. I’m out of the loop anything there that’s not Hunter X Hunter. I’ve taken to watching movies without distractions. No phone. No tablet. Usually at night. My idea was to make it more eventful. I think it’s been successful, but limiting.

Don’t know the last anime series I watched. Could be Dorohedoro. Haven’t kept up with comics in forever. Since it’s been mentioned, last year Justice League did get me to revisit Morrison’s JLA.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2022, 05:03:46 PM
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I liked this. It's not about what they all did after just how PayPal came together up until they sell to eBay. Nice little mix of tech startup story and some financial stuff. Originally at X.com they were going to have the tech people do tech stuff and financial people handle all that stuff, but they found out they could teach the tech people to do the financial stuff but not the other way around so Musk let the finance people all go and it worked out. Later when they were doing the IPO Thiel fired the bank they originally hired because they wouldn't or couldn't understand what PayPal even was supposed to be.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 04, 2022, 05:24:11 PM
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It's basically various correspondences between Dr. Bashir, and Garak during DS9 and post DS9 and a fascinating read into plain simple Garak pre DS9. :rejoice.

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This would make a hell of a movie or a mini series, although current year media would fuck it up.  :larry
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2022, 06:14:48 PM
Probably the best Star Trek novel. It's also the first book in the DS9 Relaunch which is pretty solid.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 13, 2022, 04:57:26 PM
Re: First Law Book #3

It all gets a solid, thrilling finish. Fucking amazing finale.

I'm in the 2nd half now and still hoping this is the case because...I'm actually not enjoying this book so much. I just don't like any of the characters arcs in the first half.


At this point I feel like book #2 was the most "fun" and best. The three scenarios were all really good and exciting:

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1. Logen + Ferro + Jeyzal + Bayaz + Quai + Navigator on a world journey together was so much fun
2. Glokta running the Dagoska southern city seige defense with all its characters and inner dealings and conspiracies was GREAT
3. The northern group led by Threetrees/Dogman saving West and their adventures together to stop the Union from getting massacred by Bethod's army was great
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Whereas Book 3 so far has been:

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1. Logen/Dogman/West going back to being essentially sides characters in the North and these new characters like crazy Crummuck aren't great. First half is surviving the seige from Bethod which was a bit boring. I really dislike the direction they went with Logen compared to book 2 where he's like the jolly friend buddy getting the team to like each other and work together. Now he's just sullen and killing people RIP TUL DURU THUNDERHEAD.
2. Glotka basically running around doing errands and no real story other than he's in over his head and being pulled in different directions.
3. Jezal being a shitty useless king, aka going back to being a useless character again while the Gurkish army starts to invade.
4. Ferro just doing her own thing killing Gurkish soldiers again.
5. Bayaz just in the background scheming.
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Basically the first half of Book 3 isn't very fun and is just a lot of characters who were made good & interesting in book 2 reverting to being sidelined and shitty things happening to everyone.

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Just feels like the dynamics worked better as a group like book #2 and split apart they're all less interesting.
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Hopefully the back half starts to pull things together again.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 14, 2022, 01:49:31 AM
Stay the course.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 15, 2022, 06:21:21 PM
Stay the course.

Last night read the

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Fenrid the Feared/Bethod v Logen conclusion.

The conclusion of the war in the north was executed pretty well. Black Dow is great.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2022, 04:03:22 PM
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Probably the book that those of us who read that earlier WeWork book, that was more authorized biography of Adam Neumann than anything else, wanted. Neumann is still the central figure of course but this has all the business stuff, the insanity, his wife, the executives, investors and enablers, etc. A bit of a downside is that everything gets explained, sometimes more than once, which if you're already familiar with the genre, especially the tech startup genre, is repetitive but I understand why a more general audience book written by WSJ journalists would do it that way. Book also emphasizes the unmissable part of WeWork, that none of it made any sense, the business plan was always just a real estate company. Favorite part is the book includes how a similar company with the same exact business plan already existed since 1989 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWG_plc) and built its valuation the old boring way. (Funny enough, the owner of that company said basically "but this is the same business?" and so copied some of the WeWork things people loved like glass walls and so on and opened more places that looked like WeWork offices but with the same old business plan. Now the company is worth more than it ever was, even after COVID.) Also, unlike the earlier book which ended nebulously before anything could be known, this one has a happy ending since it includes Neumann's golden parachute of $2 billion or whatever it worked out to be if you add it up that he's now threatening to reinvest and improve the world again with.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2022, 10:04:25 PM
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Funny enough, the owner of that company said basically "but this is the same business?" and so copied some of the WeWork things people loved like glass walls and so on and opened more places that looked like WeWork offices but with the same old business plan. Now the company is worth more than it ever was, even after COVID.

"And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it."

:thinking This parable's always stuck with me.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 21, 2022, 09:28:57 PM
We are legion (we are Bob) is so good. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2022, 04:29:41 AM
Stay the course.

Well I finished the finale tonight and just have the epilogue left. Which is surprisingly a lot that there's still like 100 pages left in the book.

At this point my main issue with the finale is
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That Bayaz didn't get his come uppance
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But maybe the epilogue will resolve that. Will probably finish it up tomorrow night.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2022, 05:31:38 AM
Ok, done with the First Law Trilogy

Ehhhh, Felt like it was a fairly unsatisfying ending. Can't say was too happy with where almost any of the characters were left off. Or even the finale stuff. Yeah it was an entertaining read. Yeah, I liked the characters. But the plot in the end just feels very unfinished.

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Bayaz - Just ups and walks away having been the main villain for the whole thing.
His feud with Khahul - Nothing changed. No real showdown between them.
Ferro - Just goes off on her own. No resolution. Nothing really happens with her and Logen when they meet up again for like one scene.
Logen - He probably dies, or maybe he doesn't. Whatever. No real resolution for his character arc.
Jezal - Gets sort of an ending.
Glokta - Pretty much gets the best sorted out ending.
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In a way the trilogy feels like a setup for the a second trilogy. I know there's more books in the series. I was under the impression they weren't like direct sequels and just a separate series which I'd assumed were new characters and maybe timeskip. But this just feels like a half-assed ending. Kinda like some Stephen King endings.

Book 1 - Solid introduction to some good characters and the world.
Book 2 - Fantastic book of journeys with these characters.
Book 3 - Things generally going in less interesting directions for these characters and then a giant action set piece that's half a book and some epilogue and leaves a ton unresolved.

Book 2 was so good! Book 3 was very readable but I don't think I liked it overall. Definitely doesn't make me excited to jump into the next First Law series, though maybe I'll read it someday after I get through a bunch of other stuff.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2022, 05:58:48 AM
Thinking about it, the dynamics of the groups in book 2 were just too good & entertaining that book 3 couldn't match it.

Brother Longfoot's annoying the fuck out of Logen and Ferro constantly, Bayaz grandstanding, Jezal learning lessons while discovering the history of the world.
West & the Northmen mixing of cultures.
Glokta doing his thing.

And in book 3 only Glokta's arc is as good because in book 2 he wasn't too dependant on other characters. I think everyone in the journey arc is much worse off in book 3 without that team dynamic.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 01, 2022, 02:37:23 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/vp3xau/first_5_books_of_the_cradle_series_by_will_wight/

The first 5 books are free again.  The penultimate book is coming out this week. Pretty hyped. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 02, 2022, 05:59:12 AM
Thinking about it, the dynamics of the groups in book 2 were just too good & entertaining that book 3 couldn't match it.

Brother Longfoot's annoying the fuck out of Logen and Ferro constantly, Bayaz grandstanding, Jezal learning lessons while discovering the history of the world.
West & the Northmen mixing of cultures.
Glokta doing his thing.

And in book 3 only Glokta's arc is as good because in book 2 he wasn't too dependant on other characters. I think everyone in the journey arc is much worse off in book 3 without that team dynamic.

You're making me feel like re-reading it! But I agree with most of your points. Bayaz was NEVER going to change. He's Asshole Gandalf. No character growth without death.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2022, 07:44:35 PM
Thinking about it, the dynamics of the groups in book 2 were just too good & entertaining that book 3 couldn't match it.

Brother Longfoot's annoying the fuck out of Logen and Ferro constantly, Bayaz grandstanding, Jezal learning lessons while discovering the history of the world.
West & the Northmen mixing of cultures.
Glokta doing his thing.

And in book 3 only Glokta's arc is as good because in book 2 he wasn't too dependant on other characters. I think everyone in the journey arc is much worse off in book 3 without that team dynamic.

You're making me feel like re-reading it! But I agree with most of your points. Bayaz was NEVER going to change. He's Asshole Gandalf. No character growth without death.

Yeah, but book 3 he talks so much omg. Book 1/2 he's kind of preachy in the background, but book 3 is just blab blab blab. It's a bit much and I totally thought that

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Ferro's character arc was gonna end with her killing him during the final when she has the seed in hand and he's doing his magic demon tornado and the demons are talking to Ferro to let Bayaz open the gate and Bayaz is at peak almost drooling glee levels of fucked up. In a normal book you'd expect at that moment for Ferro to use the seed on Bayaz and kill him and stop it.

But she doesn't. She sorta stops but it doesn't seem to do anything other than letting go of the seed. And then she just goes off South to kill some more southerners.
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Just felt like it was missing something. Also I really dislike how West's character arc finishes after all the growth in book 2/3/. But I think Glokta's arc finishes great and Jezal/Logen is...ok.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2022, 12:45:41 AM
Been listening to the audiobook of Bram Stoker's Dracula and was going good with Harker PoV at Castle Dracula and then...suddenly it cuts to a bunch of point of view chapters of various women talking about romance and suitors and this is so boring :|
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on July 09, 2022, 05:43:48 AM
Yeah, well, he had to do something to keep those Victorian women hot under the petticoats.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2022, 05:04:26 PM
Halfway through The Blacktongue Thief.  It's been such a great book so far.  The world building is very well done while being basically unintrusive to the plot.  It's written with strong voicing:

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“You can have another slap at me, as far as the Guild’s concerned. Seems a shame you wasted your first one doing so little harm, you fatherless kark.” A kark is a wet fart, by the way, if you’ve never been to Galtia or Norholt. The kind you think will be one thing but turns out to be the other, to your shame and sorrow.

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Where was I? Right, upside down. And don’t picture the Spanth holding me by the ankle one-handed like some Thrall Mountains quarter-giant. No, she had me two-handed, elbows braced on the sill. I didn’t struggle. Just crossed my arms. Felt rather good, actually, all the blood going to my head.

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Oh, it wasn’t much to look at. No beautiful kicks, no breathtaking throws. Just a studied approach at finding what the body doesn’t do well, then trying to make your opponent’s body do that.

It has cool gender dynamics, due to a series of goblin wars which resulted in a loss of a generation of men and the mobilization of women.  Also, the goblins created a magical plague that has nearly wiped out horses and humans created war corvids which are basically raven terror birds.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2022, 07:07:17 PM
Madrun, you ever finish the Wheel of Time audiobooks?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2022, 07:25:55 PM
Got started on book 8 but I was very tired of it -- all the characters suck and the story starts to just crawl after book 5, so taking a break.  I will finish it mostly to see Sanderson's books.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2022, 08:14:08 PM
Got started on book 8 but I was very tired of it -- all the characters suck and the story starts to just crawl after book 5, so taking a break.  I will finish it mostly to see Sanderson's books.

Yeah, your tapering out on the series kinda killed my motivation to start book 2. Just seems like there are better fantasy series to spend the time on.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on July 15, 2022, 11:10:51 PM
It's called "The slog" for good reason. Keep at it because you'll get whiplash from the change of pace one Sanderson takes over.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on July 17, 2022, 04:46:21 AM
Gar Ryder Hanrahan’s The Gutter Prayer. It has been wildly inventive so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 17, 2022, 07:27:29 AM
Got started on book 8 but I was very tired of it -- all the characters suck and the story starts to just crawl after book 5, so taking a break.  I will finish it mostly to see Sanderson's books.

Yeah, your tapering out on the series kinda killed my motivation to start book 2. Just seems like there are better fantasy series to spend the time on.

I think I would have been more forgiving about the book's faults had I not read Malazan, which kind of broke epic world-building for me, because nothing will ever be as good as Malazan, and so I'm certainly in less awe over arguably the best aspect of WoT than I think the majority of its readers.  I read enough fantasy that's worth my time reading it just to have the experience but I can't say it's good.

Gar Ryder Hanrahan’s The Gutter Prayer. It has been wildly inventive so far.

I loved this book so much.  Think it's a minority view but I loved the Shadow Saint even more.     
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 18, 2022, 09:26:04 PM
Finished The Blacktongue Thief strong ending that feels decently self-contained but also got me hyped as shit for the next one. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2022, 12:13:08 AM
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There's good stuff here but I'm not sure it outweighs the bad really. Dirk's fun! It's fun to learn about his near lifelong trainer and to hear other people talk about Dirk memories and so on. But like half the book is about the author who thinks you want to hear about how he interviewed Steve Nash about Dirk not just what Nash said about Dirk or about all the things he ran around in a bunch of cities while following Dirk, there's no structure to any of it and he tries to create some grand theory of Dirk's success that he never supports and which Dirk's trainer basically says is wrong anyway. Weirdly, the guy spent all this time in Dallas for years and talked to most everyone in Dirk's life except Mark Cuban.

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I liked this but I imagine if you followed this stuff you wouldn't really learn anything as it really mostly tells you what a bunch of articles probably already said. AT&T's clusterfuck is funny still (even if the book makes the mistake of leaving out the historic HBO Max premiere of the Academy Award winning Zack Snyder's Justice League) and it's nice that they were able to account for COVID's impact on streaming. My actual main complaint is mostly because of knowing what's happened since they had to stop writing, they only slightly touch on WarnerDiscovery since it hadn't happened yet, just announced nor Netflix's recent more choppy waters. I always love stories of arrogant corporate suits who don't know anything failing though so there was plenty here.

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One of those dangerous and irresponsible books that spreads the fascist lie that the free flow of information and thought is important. Completely denies the proven fact that the elite suppressing any thought it dislikes by imprisonment or killing is how true freedom is achieved. The book never even grapples with the fact that the only reason its many misleading examples of historical "failures" of thought control occured is because someone somewhere refused to obey. Hopefully the author will soon be strongly convinced to admit his folly and use free speech appropriately by warning those who may try to think in unapproved ways to silence themselves so as to protect our right to not have to live around people with blasphemous thoughts.

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This book is really weird. It's sorta a history of Star Trek but the dude doesn't seem entirely interested in it even as he constantly gushes about its themes while never saying what they're supposed to be? He spends a lot of time lamenting that TOS doesn't meet 2022 social justice standards. His DS9 and VOY sections focus on how Sisko is Black and Janeway and Seven are women with almost nothing else said about the shows other than how Seven is obviously "queer" without ever saying how other than how she has a girlfriend twenty years later in Picard. He proclaims that Janeway will be the most beloved captain going forward and his only real supporting evidence is because AOC likes her. He says that AbramsTrek and the new series are the best versions of Trek but never says why. He even suggests that Trek 2009 is the riskiest and most original thing in the franchise and maybe all sci-fi. For a book based around how much the dude loves Star Trek he never actually says why he apparently loves Star Trek. Like the closest thing I seem to understand is that it's... geek? Or something? Really I have no clue. He liked Spock when he was younger and therefore continues to like Star Trek because it has continued to exist.

I usually don't read the Goodreads reviews for these but this had a really high score so I looked at some of them and even while giving it five stars a bunch of them are like "it was meandering and I didn't really learn anything but it was great, FIVE STARS!" This isn't why I don't read Goodreads reviews but it's certainly not going to get me to start.
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Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2022, 01:44:57 AM
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I liked this but I imagine if you followed this stuff you wouldn't really learn anything as it really mostly tells you what a bunch of articles probably already said. AT&T's clusterfuck is funny still (even if the book makes the mistake of leaving out the historic HBO Max premiere of the Academy Award winning Zack Snyder's Justice League) and it's nice that they were able to account for COVID's impact on streaming. My actual main complaint is mostly because of knowing what's happened since they had to stop writing, they only slightly touch on WarnerDiscovery since it hadn't happened yet, just announced nor Netflix's recent more choppy waters. I always love stories of arrogant corporate suits who don't know anything failing though so there was plenty here.

About halfway through and this mirrors my thoughts so far, especially since I read so much Deadline. And yeah as soon as the book hit I was already wondering when a Part 2 would be good to make, WBD and Netflix news alone was just this year.
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Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2022, 01:58:24 AM
Actually, that's a pretty good point now you mention it. The book very much is sort of a Part I, it gets you to everyone launching but even we don't know what will happen yet. Disney raising the price, AT&T ditching, the continuation of content deals expiring back to their owners, ViacomCBS deciding to also join in, etc. is mostly stuff the book couldn't really cover even as it got a delay thanks to COVID. The book wasn't even really in position to know that there never was a COVID boost that ushered in a permanent subscriber base, it just knows the early numbers on the subscribers beat the future projections for most companies not whether or not they stayed to actually meet those 2024 projections.

Not necessarily a knock on the book, but definitely a bit of one on the subtitle, it does cover their attempts to launch the battle but we don't know all they'll all adjust let alone what the result might be. So maybe there needs to be a Part II and Part III. And what if somebody actually does buy Netflix or something? They mention how most of the Hollywood players passed on Netflix at some point, but what if it's somebody like Microsoft? Netflix would then be able to subsidize itself from other divisions like all the major companies were thinking would be their advantage.

As an aside this book combined with some other ones made me wonder if Kevin Reilly is one of the least appreciated guys who actually delivers for these companies, he's turned around so many who quickly dump him and then immediately start making bank off all his decisions they doubted him on. :lol
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Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2022, 02:04:57 AM
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So maybe there needs to be a Part II and Part III. And what if somebody actually does buy Netflix or something? They mention how most of the Hollywood players passed on Netflix at some point, but what if it's somebody like Microsoft?

One thing's for sure: I'll be getting both books lol. Despite my nitpicks it's been one of the more enjoyable reads I've had this year.




Reggie's book seems written for a 9th grade level which is fine, that's also been making it a pretty easy read haha.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2022, 09:41:29 PM
Berserk is pretty cool.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 22, 2022, 10:40:01 PM
Just got done with the Eclipse.  Jesus.  Lots of stuff to love there.  The whole theme(?) or messaging around stepping on others to greatness was amazingly done.  It was walking a thin line to being smut at times though. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 24, 2022, 08:02:10 PM
Dark Matter by Blake Crouch, was boring trite for the first 75% then had a stellar ending. 

The cool thing, which I haven't seen before in multi-verse stories but makes complete logical sense

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that the multi-verse is always splitting, even as the story unfolds, so all those actions during the story actually cause mid-story parallel universes/characters.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 29, 2022, 10:31:01 PM
Berserk continues to be amazing.  On chapter 230.  Read Hellbound Heart finally because of the Hellraiser influence of Beserk; it was great.  I also started reading the Shinning, which I am liking a lot, and generally, it takes a long time for me to get into a King book. 
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Post by: Bebpo on July 30, 2022, 11:32:30 AM
I think I might've read Hellbound Heart back in the day. I read a lot of Barker as a teen. Should check out some of his stuff from the last twenty years.

And yeah, Berserk is greaaat. I will get back to it at some point.
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Post by: Bebpo on July 30, 2022, 03:13:29 PM
So watching the Coen Bros talk about Blood Simple & Miller's Crossing, they basically talk non-stop about the novelists of Noir, Dashiel Hammet and Raymond Chandler and how like Yojimbo is based on Hammet's Red Harvest and Miller's Crossing is a mix of Red Harvest and The Glass Key.

Anyone read any Hammet/Chandler? Do these old detective books still hold up as entertaining reads these days? I love detective noir and kinda interested in reading some of them, especially if they're short and breezy reads (and if they're good and still hold up).
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 30, 2022, 04:31:08 PM
Red Harvest is like 200 pages. You can blast through that in an evening. Biggest thing you gotta keep in mind with older books is the time period in which they were written.

https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/hammettd-redharvest/hammettd-redharvest-00-h.html (https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/hammettd-redharvest/hammettd-redharvest-00-h.html)

https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/hammettd-glasskey/hammettd-glasskey-00-h.html (https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/hammettd-glasskey/hammettd-glasskey-00-h.html)

Here's the entire thing on the canadian Gutenberg. Apparently it's not copyrighted over there anymore.

Edit: Just saw this is the guy that also wrote The Maltese Falcon. Can't talk about the book, but the movie still holds up, so I'm going to assume the books do as well.
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Post by: Bebpo on July 30, 2022, 08:09:46 PM
Yeah, I also saw the Hammet audiobooks are free if you have Audioble (which I do at the moment).
The Chandler Phillip Marlowe ones (The Big Sleep, etc..) are not though.

I think after I finish Dracula (almost done, like 3 hours left in the audiobook), I'll give Red Harvest audiobook a shot.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 02, 2022, 12:59:36 PM
https://ebookclub.tor.com/

Mistborn 4 free
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Post by: Bebpo on August 03, 2022, 08:10:46 PM
Finished the audiobook for Dracula

Honestly kind of a dull read/listen that took me a month to get through. The first 1/3rd where it's a guy going to a strange castle and meeting a strange count and trying to escape is great, then the next 1/3rd about London and Lucy and Van Hellsing and Dr. Seward and Mina Harker learning about vampires and how they working is solid, then the last 1/3rd or back half is like an entire half a book of a group of people talking about what they're going to do and not really doing much and whenever there is a confrontation Dracula just runs away and then the final scenes they go and kill the vampire women and dracula in their sleep without any real opposition from them.

Basically the back half is pretty boring. Went through the cliff notes analysis as I listened to it because I tuned out at times because it was dull and I was rpg grinding while listening to it and the cliff notes ends with this bit:

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Actually, for most readers, the last half of the novel becomes somewhat long and drawn out, but this novel was written at the end of the Victorian period when the reading public expected novels to last a long time.

I think my biggest issue besides nothing much happening in the back half is that compared to modern vampire stuff Dracula himself is nerfed af here. Yeah he can get in with some difficulty and suck some blood. And yeah he kills some old people and breaks Renfield's back off-screen. But when he actually is confronted he just runs away like a scaredy cat and is a total pushover, which feels weird coming from more modern vampire stuff where Dracula is a badass mofo.

Also the book is crazy sexist (a time period thing) and the whole book after the first 1/3rd in the castle is men trying to save the women and women talking about how men are just too amazing and wonderful and they do all this for little ole' women. What gallant individuals! Men so good, women pathetic and need men to do everything, etc.. etc...
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Post by: Bebpo on August 03, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
After which started listening to this thing Audible was advertising called Space: 1969 written by Bill Oakley and starring Natasha Lyonne and it's pretty funny so far. Kind has that Fallout alternative 50s history satire thing going in a space colony. Lyonne voice works really well for audio stuff.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 04, 2022, 03:10:51 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/starsofscifisummer-books

Anything actually worth reading/good in there?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 04, 2022, 10:38:06 PM
The Shinning was great, even if the ending wasn't.  I haven't seen the movie in 15 years so will revisit that.  Also makes me want to read Doctor Sleep.  I started Carrie and its starting better than I thought it would.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 05, 2022, 12:58:38 AM
The Shinning was great, even if the ending wasn't.  I haven't seen the movie in 15 years so will revisit that.  Also makes me want to read Doctor Sleep.  I started Carrie and its starting better than I thought it would.

Yeah, the movie had the better ending.
Doctor Sleep is a boring book. Don't bother. The movie, while not amazing, is better than the book.

I've never read Carrie. Will keep an eye on your thoughts. The movie is still great.

Don't remember if you were the person here who read Salem's Lot last year (I think it was JoeMolotov?), but if you haven't read Salem's Lot, you should absolutely read Salem's Lot and Jerusalem's Lot. Both are really good.
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Post by: archnemesis on August 05, 2022, 03:05:43 AM
Under the Dome is the best by Stephen King that I've read lately. I read most of his novels as a teenager.

I'm currently reading Termination Shock by Neal Stephenson. Covid and climate change are major themes in it.

Also reading a book about Swedish engineering history. I decided I want to read more non-fiction so I've been juggling books more. Leaving different books in different rooms helps.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 05, 2022, 06:48:15 AM
I did read Salem's Lot last year and liked the last half a lot but hated how long it took to get going.  It's also a book I think about from time to time, so my opinion has kind of sweetened on it than when I first read it. 
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Post by: Bebpo on August 05, 2022, 12:00:32 PM
Under the Dome is the best by Stephen King that I've read lately. I read most of his novels as a teenager.

I'm currently reading Termination Shock by Neal Stephenson. Covid and climate change are major themes in it.

Also reading a book about Swedish engineering history. I decided I want to read more non-fiction so I've been juggling books more. Leaving different books in different rooms helps.

I haven't read Under the Dome. I'm kind of turned off by how long all his post 2000s books are and still haven't read much of them outside Dr Sleep and some of his short stories from the last decade-ish. Will check it out.

I did read Salem's Lot last year and liked the last half a lot but hated how long it took to get going.  It's also a book I think about from time to time, so my opinion has kind of sweetened on it than when I first read it.

I like the first half the best because it's creepy the way it sets up things with spooky mysterious stuff happening in town. That was my favorite stuff in Dracula as well. I like creepy slow burn setup in my horror.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 05, 2022, 06:00:04 PM
Mistborn movies are likely to happen.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIzPqOUvSEc&feature=youtu.be 25 mins in
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Post by: Bebpo on August 06, 2022, 02:28:09 AM
Yeah, kind of a shame. I don't see anyway this doesn't turn into a generic YA fodder film that'll bomb and no one will adapt his stuff for a while.
Mistborn era 1 is ok, but it's a bit generic fantasy with people flying around throwing coins at each other and dancing in ballrooms.

Sanderson doesn't want to start off with a Stormlight adaptation and I understand why but that is really his only Cosmere book that would be successful imo in the current TV/film climate. Stormlight #1 is basically just a medieval GoT thing and budget-wise it doesn't really need anything beyond a GoT S1 budget for a premium TV adaptation of book 1. Like almost the whole book just takes place on a field in some camps and a flashback in a small town. Now book 2 would need a bit more budget and book 3 and beyond would be problematic to adapt to TV because the special effects. But that's why you do Books 1/2 and see if you can get an audience so they'll fund S3 with more budget.

They could always adapt Warbreaker as a film, but idk how much film audiences are down with talking swords in their live-action films.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 06, 2022, 09:52:11 AM
TBF Mistborn was always generic YA adjacent. 

Carrie was great with only a decent ending that kind of dragged a bit for another wise fast pace book. 
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Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2022, 11:04:00 PM
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Kinda stupid. It was okay but parts of it really turned me off and the whole concept has been done much better including in books I've already posted in this thread probably. He laments misinformation but gets a good number of things wrong himself and cites things that don't even support them. He sticks a chapter on Lincoln inbetween chapters on Adams and Wilson suppressing the press but it makes it about how abolitionist Lincoln was supposedly convinced by the press to end slavery and never supports this in any way. Then in the last section of the chapter he offhand mentions how Lincoln jailed journalists, never mentions that this was without trial and against the orders of the Supreme Court. The majority of the book focuses on Clinton-Bush-Obama-Trump which is odd to me because those are the things most readers are already going to be familiar with. The Trump section is barely about the press as the rest of the book conceives of it and most people do, it's mostly about Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, QAnon, Steve Bannon, etc. Which is fine in that they're forms of the press but it doesn't support the central thesis of the book about the press clashing with the President, these all supported Trump! It just offhand mentions some of the rest of the press investigating Trump in the TWO Trump chapters. Then he does the worst thing possible, a final chapter with the "lessons" and "solutions" for the problems of the "press" that led to January 6th, which NOT THE THESIS OF YOUR BOOK DUDE, and his solutions are all the standard things like having the government fund journalists who report what it likes, having the government "force" Facebook and Twitter to ban more people and post more "fact checks", and of course Congress repealing Section 230. Also he says that Pepe is a neo-Nazi symbol. The funniest part of all to me was in the Trump chapters he complains a lot about Trump's attacks on the press but only briefly in one sentence mentions Trump's legal threats and desire to change the laws in this regard while quoting and sharing a bunch of different times that Trump called some media person stupid or ugly lmao

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If I had known that the prior book was going to end with demanding the repeal of Section 230, I wouldn't have put these back to back but alas, reality is funnier than I intend it to be. Pretty much is just a straight forward history of how we got Section 230 and the major court cases that have interpreted it. He only briefly touches on how it's yet another example of American superiority over other loser countries (aka all of them that aren't America) and thinks there could be a narrow carveout made to address sex trafficking but isn't optimistic about opening up the entire opportunity to revisit it considering how bad politicians and others (like, say, journalism professors irrationally worried about non-journalists posting on the internet) want to eliminate it completely. He notes but doesn't completely get into how attempts to do this for a variety of issues have died because people who claim they just want to stop [thing X] by tweaking Section 230 almost always seem to reveal that they want to gut the entire thing and so even minor reform efforts fail quickly. The book does end around 2018 though so this isn't entirely his fault as some of these have been more recent.

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Overall, I didn't mind this but I can't call it good once I started to reflect on it in the slightest ways. The "battle" doesn't take place until 2/3rds into the book. Uber starts, it's getting ready to go live in San Francisco and then suddenly it's a multibillion dollar enterprise in every city with thousands of employees. How did Uber grow? Who gives a shit apparently, why are you reading a book about Uber to find this out, what do I look like a famous New York Times journalist who got famous for "covering" Uber for years? Starts talking about people by their last names but not actually introducing them until chapters later. Spend a chapter talking about Uber buying some company. Three chapters later introduce the company and what it did, then repeat everything about it being bought. All kinds of irrelevant focuses on minor things and actions by journalists (like the author) while everything about the actual subject is completely unexplained and never investigated in detail. All kinds of weird assumptions like that being able to calculate how long it will take you to get somewhere is evidence of being a "math savant" and, crucially, this being the only detail needed to ever to show that someone is one. A whole book about business and "tech" but a constant display of no basic understanding of either, I don't even think he himself understood if the Uber security dude was talking to him about actual physical safety or like online safety about one subject. Then the "battle" happens, it kinda gets fun and it's immediately over. There seems like an interesting story here and some of the characters seem quite fun, some of the executives sound absolutely hilarious for being people at head of such an unicorn company and nobody caring that they were the people in charge, but it felt like the dude either completely botches or yada yada over what could be the best or most important parts of the story.

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Fine, pretty straight forward history of Teddy's first term and his battles with J.P. Morgan and the coal miners strike. But that's really all it is, which is totally fine, but the subtitle and the intro and final chapter try to pretend there's more here. There's no actual battle for capitalism or anything, there's a single court case. She mostly treats the miners strike as an amusing aside that comes halfway through so you don't finish too quickly. Sure, she claims that single court case was the most important thing ever and changed the world, but she fails to mention that Teddy's administration never brought another significant antitrust case after the first one, then when Taft succeeded him Teddy spent years attacking Taft for doing too many antitrust cases and this was a huge reason Teddy claimed he had to challenge Taft and give us the infinitely worse Wilson. Then she tries to do that dumb thing where she explains how there's lots of important lessons from back then because now we live in the most important moment ever and we're facing even worse problems and the dangers are even greater, which omg stahp, Mark Zuckerberg as he currently stands is a lowly multibillionaire not J.P. Morgan 2.0 and Facebook is not remotely a monopoly that needs to be broken up by the government for restricting trade. I don't even know what she was trying to say about Putin/Trump other than the fact that she clearly thinks her readers are idiots who need CURRENT THING mentioned for them to have any connection to it.
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Post by: Potato on August 12, 2022, 03:22:30 AM
Finally finished this:
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Was actually a bit of a chore to read.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 12, 2022, 08:23:01 AM
That's a shame, I've been wanting to read it. 
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Post by: Potato on August 12, 2022, 03:09:50 PM
That's a shame, I've been wanting to read it. 
Don't let my opinion stop you. It just didn't click with me overall, but there are plenty of great little stories in there.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 13, 2022, 06:28:28 PM
Finished Space: 1969 on Audible. That was great. Definitely channeled a lot of Bill Oakley's Futurama/Simpsons work. Good alt history sci-fi comedy. Quite funny. Worth checking out if you're into that stuff and have Audible. Only about 6-7 hours long.

Next up for audiobooks while driving/FF14 dailies is either:

Phillip Pullman's Golden Compass book #1
Dashiell Hammett's Red Harvest or The Maltese Falcon or The Thin Man or The Glass Key
or
Jim Butcher's Dresden Files book #1
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 13, 2022, 07:08:44 PM
Dresden Files audiobooks are so damn good, but it takes 2.5 books for the series to hit its stride, then each book basically gets better than the previous one.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 13, 2022, 07:33:32 PM
Yeah, one of the anthologies I read had a novella that took place mid-series and it was pretty enjoyable. Would be down to check out the series. The length is really been the most daunting aspect of it with so many books.

I heard the audiobooks are the best way to blow through the first few books until it gets real good.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 14, 2022, 01:26:09 AM
Started listening to The Golden Compass. I thought this was a kids book but like it starts off with everyone having demon familiars and severed heads and like church is bad and idk seems pretty metal for a kids book.

I'm listening to the full cast recording and even though its unabridged, I'm starting to feel like for traditional novels I prefer just a normal audiobook with one narrator. When you have all these new characters talking with their own voice actors it's kind of hard to follow without the narration part you get from a traditional single narrator.

I had the same issue for one of the Sandman arcs in Act II where it jumped to a new setting with a bunch of new cast characters. I feel like with audio cast format it works better when you slowly introduce a character at a time. So you can recognize their voice and follow what's going on.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 15, 2022, 07:29:31 PM
The Northern Lights is...really good so far. I'm blowing through this faster than any audiobook before outside Gaiman's Graveyard Book.
It's a really well written fast paced adventure. Pretty cool. I keep expectations really low for YA, and this is far surpassing them.

Probably will skip the audiobooks and just read the physical books for book 2 & 3. The audiobook is fine, but I don't think it's really adding anything. And it just feels like it'd be more enjoyable to read on paper.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 16, 2022, 04:50:15 AM
Also the book is crazy sexist (a time period thing) and the whole book after the first 1/3rd in the castle is men trying to save the women and women talking about how men are just too amazing and wonderful and they do all this for little ole' women. What gallant individuals! Men so good, women pathetic and need men to do everything, etc.. etc...

Literally from the shit thread.

Bryce Dallas Howard on her Jurassic World experience and Chris Pratt:
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"What I will say is that Chris and I have discussed it, and whenever there was an opportunity to move the needle on stuff that hadn't been already negotiated, like a game or a ride, he literally told me: 'You guys don't even have to do anything. I'm gonna do all the negotiating. We're gonna be paid the same, and you don't have to think about this, Bryce,'" shared Howard. "And I love him so much for doing that. I really do, because I've been paid more for those kinds of things than I ever was for the movie."

Is it really that sexist?

Anyways, was like 10 days in Scotland and picked up a bunch of books.

- A.E. Van Voght's Slan
- Arthur C. Clarks' Fountain's of Paradise
- Joe Abercrombie's Red Country and Sharp Ends
- First Expanse Book
- John Wyndham's Chocky
- Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem
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Post by: Potato on August 16, 2022, 05:51:09 AM
I think my biggest issue besides nothing much happening in the back half is that compared to modern vampire stuff Dracula himself is nerfed af here. Yeah he can get in with some difficulty and suck some blood. And yeah he kills some old people and breaks Renfield's back off-screen. But when he actually is confronted he just runs away like a scaredy cat and is a total pushover, which feels weird coming from more modern vampire stuff where Dracula is a badass mofo.
When you're immortal, what is more precious than your life/undeath? To me, it's more unrealistic that an immortal creature would stand and fight and risk being destroyed.
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Post by: Potato on August 16, 2022, 05:52:37 AM
Also the book is crazy sexist (a time period thing) and the whole book after the first 1/3rd in the castle is men trying to save the women and women talking about how men are just too amazing and wonderful and they do all this for little ole' women. What gallant individuals! Men so good, women pathetic and need men to do everything, etc.. etc...

Literally from the shit thread.

Bryce Dallas Howard on her Jurassic World experience and Chris Pratt:
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"What I will say is that Chris and I have discussed it, and whenever there was an opportunity to move the needle on stuff that hadn't been already negotiated, like a game or a ride, he literally told me: 'You guys don't even have to do anything. I'm gonna do all the negotiating. We're gonna be paid the same, and you don't have to think about this, Bryce,'" shared Howard. "And I love him so much for doing that. I really do, because I've been paid more for those kinds of things than I ever was for the movie."

Is it really that sexist?

Anyways, was like 10 days in Scotland and picked up a bunch of books.

- A.E. Van Voght's Slan
- Arthur C. Clarks' Fountain's of Paradise
- Joe Abercrombie's Red Country and Sharp Ends
- First Expanse Book
- John Wyndham's Chocky
- Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem
Big fan of The Expanse series (books and TV).
I found the Three Body Problem boring.


I just started Network Effect by Martha Wells. I love Murderbot.
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Post by: chronovore on August 17, 2022, 05:08:25 PM
MURDERBOT is very good. I think I'm on book 3. Need moar.

Started listening to The Golden Compass. I thought this was a kids book but like it starts off with everyone having demon familiars and severed heads and like church is bad and idk seems pretty metal for a kids book.

I'm listening to the full cast recording and even though its unabridged, I'm starting to feel like for traditional novels I prefer just a normal audiobook with one narrator. When you have all these new characters talking with their own voice actors it's kind of hard to follow without the narration part you get from a traditional single narrator.

I had the same issue for one of the Sandman arcs in Act II where it jumped to a new setting with a bunch of new cast characters. I feel like with audio cast format it works better when you slowly introduce a character at a time. So you can recognize their voice and follow what's going on.

Northern Lights is fantastic. The first book is the best, but the rest are very good, and the finale is surprising and satisfying. Great stuff.
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Post by: archnemesis on August 18, 2022, 02:25:51 AM
I'm also a big fan of Murderbot having read the first four books earlier this year. The later books are a lot thicker so it'll be a while before I pick them up. Now I have a large stack of other things I want to read first.
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Post by: Potato on August 18, 2022, 02:49:09 AM
Yeah, I took my time between book 4 and 5 for that very reason. I really like novella length, especially for something like Murderbot. I'm actually quite worried that over a longer novel, Murderbot the character might be quite annoying.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 18, 2022, 03:59:01 AM
Finished John Wyndham's Chocky.

It still holds up. It's like Stand on Zanzibar, but instead of talking about overpopulation, it focuses on how wasteful people are with their resources. It's always fun when these old ass books call out things we're dealing with now. (Overpopulation and wasting of natural resources.)

These might've actually aged like fine wine. Reading Albert Camus' The Plague during the height of the Covid pandemic was also an amazing experience. You could easily transpose the fronts that formed in the book with those that formed in real life.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 18, 2022, 09:24:25 AM
I get that Wang and Dong are like regular chinese names but it's kinda distracting in Three-Body Problem. "Professor Dong"

Who's next? Chung Kee Ho and Fat Kok?
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Post by: Potato on August 18, 2022, 04:13:39 PM
I get that Wang and Dong are like regular chinese names but it's kinda distracting in Three-Body Problem. "Professor Dong"

Who's next? Chung Kee Ho and Fat Kok?
The two brothers Hung Phat and Hung Long took me right out of it  :doge
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Post by: chronovore on August 18, 2022, 05:29:26 PM
I get that Wang and Dong are like regular chinese names but it's kinda distracting in Three-Body Problem. "Professor Dong"

Who's next? Chung Kee Ho and Fat Kok?
The two brothers Hung Phat and Hung Long took me right out of it  :doge

:dead
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 18, 2022, 11:15:36 PM
Pines, #1 of Wayward Pines was good.  Very much Twin Peaks inspired. 
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Post by: Bebpo on August 19, 2022, 02:04:06 AM
Finished Mort

Pretty fun book. Story itself wasn't great, but was an enjoyable read with frequent good bits. Short, funny, just a good quick comfort reading book.

Makes me want to give going through the whole series another shot. I really didn't enjoy Book #1 - The Colour of Magic. I remember skimming a wikipedia summary of Book #2 The Light Fantastic afterwards which is the 2nd part to the Rincewind story and it didn't sound too interesting. Don't remember anything at all from either. I just remember it didn't read well. Now three books later and Mort read fine and by Men at Arms, which I also read and is like book #12 or something, Pratchett's writing was great.

I could give book #2 a shot, but probably wouldn't like it and get burnt off the series again.
I could skip book #2 and try book #3 Equal Rites which is the witch subseries. But I also hear the books didn't start getting good until Mort at book #4 so that one might burn me as well.
I could read book #5 Sourcery next I guess? Back to Rincewind but maybe actually good this time?

Idk. The Night's Watch seems like the best sub-series, so I could just read those maybe. And maybe the other Death sub-series books.
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Post by: Potato on August 19, 2022, 02:54:49 AM
I am 22 books in to my first Discworld read through (I'm going chronologically) and the City Watch and Witches are by far the best characters.

I thoroughly enjoyed Guards! Guards! which is the first in the City Watch books and is essential reading to understand the interpersonal relationships. They just get better as the characters become like old friends.

The Witches books are just great because Nanny Ogg and Granny Weatherwax are two of the best characters ever created. Equal Rites is fun and gives you good background, but Wyrd Sisters and Witches Abroad are hilarious and heartwarming and sharp.

Small Gods is a personal favourite and easy to read as a one-off.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 19, 2022, 03:38:12 AM
Pyramids is also a fun standalone to read. Imagine a story set in ancient Egypt but then crossed with quantum mechanics.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 21, 2022, 11:08:18 PM
Finished The Northern Lights audiobook. It was great! Like I felt the first half and its world building and mysteries was stronger than the back half adventure but there was good stuff in there like the WAR BEARS stuff. Ending destination you could see from a mile away but was a fine cliffhanger ending.

The only thing that kinda bugged me was how Lyra keeps getting kidnapped so like the plot moves forward and then whoops separated from everyone and has to escape again and again.

I'm interested in checking out the HBO series adaptation, though I've heard mixed on S1 which covers this. I can't imagine a TV show having a budget to do this properly. Though I looked at the cast and Lin-Manual Miranda as the Texan hot balloon guy seems like fun casting that I'd enjoy.

Will jump into book 2, but probably listen to/read some other stuff for a bit first.


At this point I've started a bunch of series jumping from book 1 of one series to another:

Discworld - 3 of 41 books down
Skyward - 1 book of 3 + novella down
Wheel of Time - 1 book of like 13 down
Scythe - 1 book of 3 down
Northern Lights - 1 book of 3 down
First Law stuff - 3 books of like 9 down

Probably gonna finish some of those before starting Dresden files or anything else. I picked up Discworld book #2 and I started re-reading book #1 since it's a direct sequel and despite only reading book #1 two years ago in 2020 I didn't remember anything from it and I'm reading at skim speed and already halfway through so will just take another day or two and then probably read The Light Fantastic next since these are short books.

Also re-reading book #1 of discworld after Mort, which was only written 4 years later, it's crazy how like Death is a completely different character in book #1. He's kind of a dick going around killing things including taking off one of a cat's lives for fun whereas by book #4 he loves cats and saves them. I heard Pratchett was figuring out discworld for the first bunch of books and it doesn't really get book to book consistent with the characters/world until Guards Guards Guards at book #7, which is fine. It's just kind of weird.

I am enjoying this re-read of book #1 much more, having read some better Discworld and having a frame of reference vs going into this as my first Discworld book. I think book #1 loses steam after the initial 1/3rd in the city with Rincewind and Twoflower and the whole place burning up because insurance lol, the whole jumping from episodic adventures after is a lot less engaging but it's fine skimming it. I do like the idea of it where gods are playing D&D which is the background cause of stuff happening one after another. It's clever and fun. It's just the happening stuff is kinda zzz.

I heard book #2 drops the episodic nature and is just a singular focused tale so I think I'll enjoy it.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 22, 2022, 06:00:30 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/inside-gaming-mit-press-books?

might be of interest to some Boreans. 
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Post by: archnemesis on August 23, 2022, 05:21:27 AM
I'd love to read physical copies of some of those books. I've noticed that I rarely read more than a page of digital books. Neither my Kindle or the digital subscription of Edge gaming magazine are used.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2022, 08:50:56 AM
I'm the complete opposite, it's so much easier to read on kindle that I read way more because of it.  I like the aesthetics of real books but will never go back. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2022, 12:00:45 PM
Tor giving away book 5 of Mistborn.  Book 4 was a bit ago.  Guessing we will also get 6 in preperation for book 7.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 24, 2022, 08:38:32 PM
Listening to Hammet's Red Harvest and it's pretty fun. Real easy to listen to with it being almost entirely dialogue back and forths.

Things about that slang that have stuck out so far from books 100 years ago:

-They call guys pretty a lot. Kind of interesting that pretty was not feminine back then.
-The main gumshoe is a badass mofo at 5'6", the average height has really increased in 100 years. I missed my time to shine at 5'5".


Also I finished my re-read of Discworld Book #1 The Colour of Magic and yeah it's a book that is kind of not great. The first 1/3rd is fine, but once they leave Ankh-Morpork and go on their episodic adventures it just gets worse and worse and the continuity between episodic adventures is almost nil. The cave with Hrun is fine but then suddenly there's imaginary dragons and suddenly they're in the middle of the sea and sacrifice island and it's like what?? Found it pretty confusing even in this re-read. Like it would just jump from one spot to another between episodic parts.

Plus Rincewind isn't that interesting other than saying "YAR?" a lot. And Death is not.my.discworld.death.

Anyhow started on The Light Fantastic last night. Will see how it fares.
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Post by: Potato on August 24, 2022, 09:11:06 PM
Stick with it. Discworld is  :aah
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Post by: Bebpo on August 26, 2022, 02:52:51 AM
The Light Fantastic is the only book where each night I pick it back up and each time I have no idea of what's going on and I have to go back a page or two to try to remember.

Like a quarter through now,

Rincewind/Twoflower are still very uncompelling as are all the minor characters. The only good character subplot so far is this old wizard at the university and his apprentice who keeps trying to murder him. That's great and kind of better than anything else going on in the book so far.

Also a little annoyed that it goes from the characters falling off the discworld and going into space at the end of book #1 which would've been an interesting place to pick up from in book #2, to retconning all that and just being in a boring forest (except for the talking trees) and I guess this book is just about everyone chasing Rincewind or something to get the spell that's in his head.
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Post by: Potato on August 26, 2022, 02:59:16 AM
The Light Fantastic is the only book where each night I pick it back up and each time I have no idea of what's going on and I have to go back a page or two to try to remember.

Like a quarter through now,

Rincewind/Twoflower are still very uncompelling as are all the minor characters. The only good character subplot so far is this old wizard at the university and his apprentice who keeps trying to murder him. That's great and kind of better than anything else going on in the book so far.

Also a little annoyed that it goes from the characters falling off the discworld and going into space at the end of book #1 which would've been an interesting place to pick up from in book #2, to retconning all that and just being in a boring forest (except for the talking trees) and I guess this book is just about everyone chasing Rincewind or something to get the spell that's in his head.
Cohen the Barbarian though...
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Post by: Bebpo on August 26, 2022, 03:01:46 AM
The Light Fantastic is the only book where each night I pick it back up and each time I have no idea of what's going on and I have to go back a page or two to try to remember.

Like a quarter through now,

Rincewind/Twoflower are still very uncompelling as are all the minor characters. The only good character subplot so far is this old wizard at the university and his apprentice who keeps trying to murder him. That's great and kind of better than anything else going on in the book so far.

Also a little annoyed that it goes from the characters falling off the discworld and going into space at the end of book #1 which would've been an interesting place to pick up from in book #2, to retconning all that and just being in a boring forest (except for the talking trees) and I guess this book is just about everyone chasing Rincewind or something to get the spell that's in his head.
Cohen the Barbarian though...

He's had like one scene so far. No opinion on him yet.

Also these books don't have chapters which structurally bugs me. It just keeps going and going and going in a ramble jumping scenes between paragraphs and back.
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Post by: Potato on August 26, 2022, 03:06:31 AM
The Light Fantastic is the only book where each night I pick it back up and each time I have no idea of what's going on and I have to go back a page or two to try to remember.

Like a quarter through now,

Rincewind/Twoflower are still very uncompelling as are all the minor characters. The only good character subplot so far is this old wizard at the university and his apprentice who keeps trying to murder him. That's great and kind of better than anything else going on in the book so far.

Also a little annoyed that it goes from the characters falling off the discworld and going into space at the end of book #1 which would've been an interesting place to pick up from in book #2, to retconning all that and just being in a boring forest (except for the talking trees) and I guess this book is just about everyone chasing Rincewind or something to get the spell that's in his head.
Cohen the Barbarian though...

He's had like one scene so far. No opinion on him yet.

Also these books don't have chapters which structurally bugs me. It just keeps going and going and going in a ramble jumping scenes between paragraphs and back.
That's probably my biggest complaint about Pratchett
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 26, 2022, 04:39:45 AM
I thought the three asterisks denoted the end of a scene/chapter. It's how I've been reading these for years.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 26, 2022, 05:58:44 PM
So Cohen's schtick is just that he's old? Ehhhhhh...

I like the Night Watch, I like Death, still kinda feel meh on everyone else I've met in Discworld at this point.

I thought the three asterisks denoted the end of a scene/chapter. It's how I've been reading these for years.

I think so but you only see one of those every blue moon. Also don't remember if he started doing that later on. I remember that in Mort, but here in book #2 almost halfway now and I can't remember seeing it in this book.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 27, 2022, 03:56:49 AM
I flipped through The Light Fantastic and the longest without the asterisks is the final chapter at 70 pages. Second longest is like 40 pages and most of em are like 15 to 20 pages. Maybe you're reading a digital copy that got rid of a bunch of them?
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Post by: Bebpo on August 30, 2022, 04:14:13 AM
Finished The Light Fantastic. That was...pretty good. The first third or even half suffers from a similar problem with the back half of Colour of Magic in that it starts out with all these vignettes jumping from scene to scene and while some bits are good like the talking trees, a lot of it are just kind of eh (gingerbread house, druids) and the continuity doesn't flow that well making it hard to stay engaged when the scenes keep changing every few minutes.

But once the party with Cohen gets together and it's basically a single PoV narrative for the entire back half...it reads well and is a lot of fun and I'd say it's a better story than Mort. The luggage is the MVP best character for sure. Death & Luggage are my two favorite discworld characters at this point.

I thought the very end was a slight dip down in that Rincewind who is a total coward irritable person the whole two books suddenly becomes like a hero and wins a fight and says a bunch of hero stuff in the finale which felt out of character. Mort had the same issue where Mort was a weird autistic kid but then becomes a total out of character protagonist for the finale in the final fight. I feel like Pratchett, at least in these early books (I can't remember how Men at Arms ended), had some difficulty balancing his non-traditional goofy characters while also trying to have more traditional "hero fights at the end and wins and is a cool winner" fantasy tropes because it just feels like the characters suddenly become out of character in these finales. These uncool but enjoyable characters shouldn't be cool in the end, they should just win in an uncool and in character way.

Otherwise the back half was great. Overall it's a good book and 200% improvement over book #1.

Will be interesting to see what book #3 Equal Rites is like. At this point I've read at least one book from each the main discworld sub-series except the witches. I don't know anything about them since they haven't really appeared in the other books I've read. Going in blind here. Going to read that next and then will take a discworld break since I'll be done with #1-#4 before I read #5 Sourcery at some point in the future.

I flipped through The Light Fantastic and the longest without the asterisks is the final chapter at 70 pages. Second longest is like 40 pages and most of em are like 15 to 20 pages. Maybe you're reading a digital copy that got rid of a bunch of them?

Yeah, I noticed them when I started looking, though what a chapter signifies vs just a paragraph break in this book, who knows.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 30, 2022, 04:56:57 AM
Started reading Equal Rites.

That was a legit really good opening.
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Post by: Potato on August 30, 2022, 05:24:29 AM
Granny Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg are legit two of the best characters in fiction.

The interplay between them is unbelievably funny and pretty much everyone can find some trace of one of their own grandmothers between the two of them.


Very slight spoiler for Equal Rites
Headology is pretty much the best magic system ever devised as well
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 02, 2022, 10:11:03 AM
The Three-Body Problem was good.  I'm a sucker for hard sci-fi. It's obvious that Liu Cixin is a sucker for old hard sci-fi as well. Hope the next two books in the trilogy hold up to the same standard.

I started reading Arthur C. Clarke's Fountains of Paradise straight after and it's funny to see parts of that story that were echoed in The Three-Body Problem.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 07, 2022, 12:01:42 AM
I'm probably finishing Equal Rites tonight and so I went to buy Discworld #5 Sourcery and Discworld #6 The Wyrd Sisters and Discworld #7 Pyramids for when I get around to this series again and given all the years and repressings of certain books the covers are kind of an incoherent stylistic mess.

From Pratchett's own website:

(https://i.imgur.com/vap8VHZh.jpg)

Right now I have books 1-4 and book 8 - Guards guards guards all in that same one color simplified style (not sure why they aren't showing 1-3 in that style in this image). Doesn't look like there was a version of Sourcery done in that style though.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 07, 2022, 12:03:35 AM
https://www.discworldemporium.com/product/discworld-collector-s-library-the-complete-collection/

Dang, those are nice covers. Ain't paying that though lol.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 07, 2022, 12:05:14 AM
https://discworld.com/products/paperbacks/

I see. Looks like a bunch of books were just re-released this year with that new Harry Potter-esque style (blargh). But doesn't seem like there was a pressing of Sourcery prior to that besides the original cover.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 07, 2022, 12:07:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/bWkmbC6h.jpg)

Looks like Wyrd Sisters did get a release in the style that I have 2-4/8 in. But it's out of print and Sourcery and Pyramids don't appear to have gotten a release in this style.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 07, 2022, 12:27:08 AM
https://www.discworldemporium.com/product/discworld-collector-s-library-the-complete-collection/

Dang, those are nice covers. Ain't paying that though lol.

Fuck it. I calculated buying the rest of the series a book at a time over the years in paperbacks and at $15 after tax per book, it comes to like $500 for the rest of the series if I stick with it. Given the current UK/Dollar rate, even after 90 Euro shipping, it's still like a bit over $600 USD. So like $100 premium for nice hardcovers of the series instead of ugly paperbacks that have no coherence.

Guess this is my birthday present to myself. Sure hope I stick with the series and eventually read them all at this price.

*edit* actually nothing in the world seems to give you the exact USD/Euro exchange rate exactly :(  Still came out to $718 USD running it through the cheapest method. Most expensive books I will have every bought. But it is forty hardcover books, so it still comes down to $17.95 each which is pretty normal price. Just a lot when it's at the same time...Also this is going to be one heavy fucking package.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 07, 2022, 04:23:26 AM
https://imgur.com/a/vHzNN (https://imgur.com/a/vHzNN)

This is a collection of the original covers. The first 26 books were done by Josh Kirby. He passed away, so they had to get a new illustrator.

From those books on Paul Kidby was the one doing the cover arts.

Those you got are mostly American reprints I'm guessing. Americans probably think the old style is too wacky or something.
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Post by: Potato on September 07, 2022, 05:45:23 AM
Kirby covers are the only ones to get honestly.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 07, 2022, 01:24:13 PM
I respect the original Kirby covers and the highly detailed satirical takes on the 70s/80s fantasy book covers with muscled men and half naked women and dragons. It's good art and fits.

But it's just not a aesthetic I've ever been into. I find those old fantasy book covers its satirizing gross looking. The art in that hardcover set I'm getting appeals more to my "aesthetic art to have on the shelfs" side.

 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 07, 2022, 07:29:59 PM
Wayward Pines trilogy was decent. 
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Post by: Bebpo on September 08, 2022, 03:37:27 AM
Ok, finished Discworld #3 - Equal Rites

Fun book. The opening is really strong and gandalf-y and the ending stuff with Granny Weatherwax and the University head Cutangle is fantastic. Esk is a good lead character and lots of funny little escapades throughout. The story is pretty short, it's basically "here is the situation -> journey to university -> finale", but it's enjoyable. Would make a fun animated movie.

I actually looked up movie/tv adaptations after this. I had thought that nothing discworld had ever made it to tv/movie, which seemed weird as some of the books like this and Mort would be fun little movies. But then I discovered that there actually were a handful of animated adaptations and Colour of Magic/Light Fantastic got a 2008 live-action one with Tim Curry? And people seem generally thumbs up on it?

I think I'm gonna watch that adaptation soon. Seems like it'd be a fun curiosity.

I liked The Light Fantastic, Equal Rites and Mort all about the same? Good 3/4 star enjoyable romps. Equal Rites/Mort being better plotted but I think the back half of Light Fantastic might be the strongest. Tough to pick the best of those. All good reads.

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Also finished listening to the audiobook of Hammet's Red Harvest.

Good popcorn book. Like it reads very pulpy and has lots of snappy dialogue. The main detective guy The Continental Operative's deadpan can be enjoyable. You can see the influences it had on the whole hard boiled fiction/noir genre and I liked that the book has a few mystery who dunnits throughout the plot.

That said, the main OP is so lacking any emotion/empathy he's just kind of a terrible person? Like he doesn't react a single time to anyone he knows dying and consistently sets people up to be brutally murdered to accomplish his goals. Also the second half of the book is this gang war which is so incredibly rushed where like 90% of the characters from the first half are killed off-page. You go from a meeting to the next page where half of them are dead. Part of it I assume had to do with print standards and not being able to do graphic deaths on the page, but it's also the pulpy side of not getting to deep into any of the characterization style which just makes it all feel very rushed and lack proper depth.

But it's fun popcorn entertainment and I enjoyed it. There's a scene in Miller's Crossing which is literally a word for word recreation of a random scene in the book where a gang throws dynamite into a base with opposing gang members and after the explosions someone says "don't shoot, I'm coming out" and he stumbles out and stands for a sec and then the other gang just shoots him and laughs and it's just sorta a scene of a thing that happens during a gang war.

I wouldn't mind reading/listening to another Hammett or some Chandler down the line, but that was kind of enough for me. I think I'll start on the Northern Lights book #2 audiobook for next listen.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 10, 2022, 03:01:06 AM
Watched the Colour of Magic and Light Fantastic TV movies tonight. They were...pretty good! Like outside being budget TV and some just ok directing, the writing was good and the acting was great. Worked pretty well! My only gripe is for The Light Fantastic they cut a lot of parts I really liked in the book like the talking trees and troll forest and suitcase as more of a character, but they nailed the Cohen the Barbarian stuff and got the gist of the story at a brisk pace.

Definitely reinforced that The Light Fantastic is a good story.

Now I wish they did adaptations of Equal Rites and Mort. I saw the Disney directors that did The Princess and The Frog wanted to do Mort as their next film but they couldn't obtain the rights which seems crazy. I feel like if they did Mort these days it should be a CG film in that stop-motion style Kubo and the Two Strings.

Oh and I liked how for these TV movies they did Death just as a guy in a halloween store costume with Christopher Lee doing the voiceovers. Was great!
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 10, 2022, 04:01:14 PM
Elder Race by Adrian Tchaikovsky was a very wonderful and charming novella.  I would highly recommend it. 
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Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2022, 10:49:09 PM
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Jesse Singal spreads a bunch of malicious lies about Proven Science™ just because no published science or research supports any of them. Good book to get the names of a bunch of horrible monsters who demand absurd things like evidence instead of just supporting objectively Good Things. Who cares if power posing doesn't work and one of the lead authors openly says they don't think any evidence supports it? It makes some people feel better so why ruin it JESSE? Who cares if implicit bias studies aren't supported by anything, it FEELS true and shouldn't we address THAT? JESSE never says why addressing these issues aren't important just because nobody can prove they're real, he simply implies we should focus only on real things. FUCK OFF JESSE! WHY ARE YOU THE WAY THAT YOU ARE? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYmOqPFyJPw)

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Very interesting topic in a very uninteresting book. Felt like I've been reading this forever but it's only 450 pages long. It's not academic writing, not bad academic writing, just bad writing. Dude does that thing where you post a graph then spend three pages describing everything about it. My dude I understood LINE GOES UP THEN STOPS GOING UP when I saw it! Lots of paragraphs being repeated constantly every time some near topic comes up. Covers all kinds of different aspects not just ebooks but audiobooks, Kickstarter, etc. The guy is mostly fair throughout the book until the end when he gets to his real problem which is Amazon. He has no real specific complaints about anything Amazon does (except he doesn't like that they sell things that are not books), his complaint is really that Amazon is too successful in general and took successful at giving customers what they want. He laments that people don't "browse the stacks" of Amazon like they would a physical bookstore, but I'm not sure many people would do that before anyway. He also seems to think we should be proud of his refusal to sign up for Amazon Prime. The weirdest part of this to me is that the rest of his book actually kind of cuts against his Amazon complaints because he spends much of his book delving into all the many non-Amazon things in book publishing out there including lots of other successful companies. I'm not sure that Amazon's dominance of the physical book retail space and Amazon's own exclusivity requirements on books they themselves publish do much to threaten the entire book industry as he surmises at the end. He worries that Amazon's ability to collect customer data is a huge problem but he never actually explains why he thinks this and especially never explains why he thinks this will be bad for books. He just seems to think that general data complaints are obviously also somehow a potential problem with books too. The main thing he articulates here is the same thing he articulated with the "browse the stacks" complaint, that most people probably just look at recommendations and "other users also bought with" rather than pouring through the millions of books. He concludes that the government needs to break up Amazon, Google and Facebook into multiple competitors to protect the book industry which doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 13, 2022, 03:28:36 PM
mistborn 6 free on tor
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Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2022, 04:30:57 PM
mistborn 6 free on tor

Bands of Mourning is my favorite book in this series. Not sure how well it would stand without all the background, but it's a great swashbuckling Indiana Jones adventure in a steampunk world. Some really funny bits, and an overall great fun story.

I'd probably recommend this to people who don't read Sanderson or Mistborn and aren't particularly interested in doing either in the future as just a standalone book if they want the closest thing to an Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade book.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 13, 2022, 05:57:11 PM
because I just read this and you said the word swashbuckling  https://twitter.com/dtmooreeditor/status/1569366666844192769
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Post by: Potato on September 13, 2022, 08:15:47 PM
because I just read this and you said the word swashbuckling  https://twitter.com/dtmooreeditor/status/1569366666844192769
Sometimes, just sometimes, Twitter is actually awesome
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Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2022, 11:34:08 PM
I'm a couple hours into His Dark Materials Book #2 - The Subtle Knife and again I'm pleasantly pleased by how fucking metal this series is.

I feel like YA is a post-2000s thing. When I was in school in the 90s I never heard the term YA. It wasn't until anime was big in the 2000s that it felt like Shounen/Shoujo created a "YA" classification in the western world.

Like yeah, maybe this falls into YA category if you retro-actively place it in that the main character is a teen, but at the same time I don't think when Pullman wrote this he was thinking "I'm writing a YA book" and kept within the modern YA restraints. It just feels like he was writing a story.

I mean Wheel of Time isn't YA, but this is about as dark and serious as WoT (but way more fun).

Book #2 opens with a dude getting his neck broken and then a torture scene with a mercy killing of the tortured with a knife through their heart. You've got dead kids in this series. And then you've got Lord Azreal being a metal ass jrpg dude with his goal

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:punch

This series is cool. I'd like to think HBO being HBO means that the latest adaptation isn't toning any of this down.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2022, 02:09:12 PM
My discworld books came today. They're nice but a lot smaller than I expected. I thought by hardcovers and at the prices they are (USA Hardcover price basically) they'd be USA hardcover big size books, but they're like pocket diary size / mass market paperback sized little tiny books with nice hardcovers.

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At least that'll make them easier to find room to put them on a bookshelf. Nice to have the whole series (minus book #27 The Last Hero) in a matching aesthetic format. Though I do wish the books had a book # to tell the release order without having to look it up.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 20, 2022, 05:19:14 PM
I'd been reading Brandon Sanderson's sci-fi YA Skyward #2 - Starsight this last week and it's was ok -> good -> fuck, I can't put down. Sanderson really is good at his last 100-200 page finales. I tried stopping instead of staying up super late and sleeping and then I slept terrible because I was so hyped up about the finale. So basically no point, might as well just read until 3am when finishing these.

Gonna finish it tonight and go directly to reading the 3-volume Skyward Flight novella series he put out co-written with Janci Patterson that comes after this and before Skyward #3.

Probably save Skyward #3 for next year so I can still remember what's going on by the time the final book Skyward #4 is out. I had some trouble with getting into Starsight early on in that I'd forgotten a lot of the characters since I read book #1 a year or so ago.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2022, 04:36:09 AM
Ok, yeah, finished Starsight. Good book, that finale was long.

My biggest complaint with Skyward at this point is I feel like Sanderson's Cosmere stuff is pretty original whereas Skyward #1 was basically every mecha anime ever about attacking aliens and the team of teen pilots trying to get through a hopeless situation and Skyward #2 was basically Mass Effect. Just feels less original to me.

It's also less witty and funny than his Cosmere books imo. The main character Spensa is solid, but has less depth and is less interesting than most of the leads in his non-YA stuff.

But still a good book.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 21, 2022, 09:51:52 AM
US audiable sale is really damn good.  Doesnt need a current membership either.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 23, 2022, 02:15:48 AM
Btw, I started reading the hardcover of the Skyward Flight Novella collection and holy shit the the book smells. Like it has a smell so strong I can smell it from my bedstand and have to move the book away when I'm done and have to wash my hands after reading because my hands smell strongly. I tried leaving it out open in open air today but it's still pretty smelly. Never had a new book smells miserable like this.

It's not musty like old books, it's some weird new book but bad smell. Almost tempted just to double dip on the ebook and read that, but I'm hoping it'll air out and the smell will go away after a few days.

I got that and Skyward #3 hardcovers together and #3 smells fine, it's just this book.
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Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2022, 11:05:52 PM
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Not really a fan of this. The author doesn't even seem to understand the thesis of his own book. There's nothing here about the "origin of radical ideas" as every single example is about people communicating and discussing so as to moderate and make ideas palatable to more people. A worthy topic, especially since we live in an age where people deny this is true, but not the topic Gal seems to think he wrote about. Some of the chapters, especially as he moves towards the modern day, don't even outline what the "radical idea" is supposed to be. There's a chapter about doctors and scientists talking online during the pandemic. What's the "radical idea" they were discussing? No idea, it just seems to be them talking about events of the pandemic as it unfolded. Did they know they could have done this before? No idea, the author suggests they didn't know this was possible until the pandemic even as the previous nine chapters of the book are about examples of this back to the 1600s including three chapters about people doing this on the internet specifically. (The author suggests in the epilogue that he personally believed Facebook and Twitter had somehow made private or even small scale communication obsolete until he was awoken to the limitations of these platforms in recent years.) It's also another book where the author complains that the internet allows misinformation, while suggesting the government needs to do something, and then goes onto repeat multiple instances of false things themselves. (For example, claiming that racist judges acquitted George Zimmerman using Stand Your Ground laws. The only true thing in his paragraph about this being that Zimmerman was acquitted.) Also, the person who claims they/them pronouns in the last chapter is referred to as she/her half the time so I have to assume when they got the chapter they objected that they were now non-binary and the author or an editor tried to change them but was bad at what they do. In the epilogue he claims Mastodon is horrifying and dangerous because nobody regulates it and suggests it caused January 6th and the existence of lolicon. (Meanwhile in the same section he praises Signal for being "non-profit" and not made by someone with capitalist motives which... I think Mastodon also was? And a literal communist at that?) Lastly, another writer who believes Pepe the Frog was created as a Nazi symbol.

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This was fun but it's not exactly mind blowing, still a good history of how China has influenced modern Hollywood. Best part of that was Hollywood not realizing that China was going to target the rest of their studio slate and then the rest of their corporate parents to get them to censor all their movies. Really thought "oh, we just won't release this offensive movie in China" would work with a totalitarian ideology. The guy tries to sketch out a fearsome China Plan of global dominance of culture leading to Chinese political supremacy but he undermines this and then sorta forgets it was his opening argument. He notes that Xi's madness has basically destroyed the chance that Chinese films take off outside of China, he notes how Chinese communist mandates aren't really popular even in China in the first place, that other regimes interest in Chinese censorship is less about promoting China and more about how China keeps the gays away, that the West really has zero interest in ideologically Chinese films so China can only really just cut itself off completely, etc. He never really says it more tiptoes around it but he basically outlines how China doesn't grasp the aspirational aspect of what allowed Hollywood to dominate to everyone's chagrin. Now that the CCP is interested in films (and TV/etc.) as a medium for selling its aims it fundamentally cannot allow anything that deviates from the CCP message no matter how well it sells, the best example is Wolf Warrior 2 which made $875 million in just China and at the time of the writing of the book was the highest grossing non-English film ever (still 2nd) but the state refuses to allow a sequel to it because the concept of an individual hero (rather than a member of a team working for the state) deviates from the current CCP orthodoxy. My favorite part in the entire book is he talks to some Chinese woman about films she's seen recently and after she mentions a Marvel movie she starts telling him about how she can't understand why all the Marvel movies feature Thor when Loki is the obviously superior character as well as smarter for following Sun Tzu's advice on deception. Based random Chinese woman.
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Post by: Potato on September 25, 2022, 06:11:56 AM
Finished Network Effect by Martha Wells. Murderbot is the best.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 25, 2022, 01:22:33 PM
Watching the behind the scenes stuff on the making of Pitch Black, I found out that it's actually an adaptation of Isaac Asimov's breakout hit short story "Nightfall". That Pitch Black started as a straight adaptation of that story but then the writer/director re-wrote the existing script to make it more its own thing, but it still retains parts of it like a planet that's always daylight and then night falls and shit pops off.

I've never read any Asimov, so I picked up the Nightfall & 23 other short stories collection. After I finish up the Skyward Novellas this week (finishing the first one today), going to read those next. I hear Asimov's early short stories aren't his best and are a lot less robot/AI stories, but I'm not really a fan of robot sci-fi so that's fine with me.
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Post by: Potato on September 25, 2022, 02:59:55 PM
Foundation is a must for any sci-fi fan.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 25, 2022, 07:58:08 PM
Oh shit I have nightfall somwhere. 
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Post by: Bebpo on September 28, 2022, 06:02:12 AM
Finished the 2nd Skyward novella ReDawn and fuck that was a great sci-fi space battle story. At 200 pages+ it's not even a novella as much as just as short novel. Was up until 4am last night and 3am tonight blowing through it in two nights. In some ways that was better than the mainline books in the series. Very impressed and into this series at this point.

Glad the final book is coming early next year so won't be a long wait to finish it up.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 29, 2022, 11:41:31 AM
Reading Feed book one of the Newsflesh series.  I don't find zombies interesting, but I'm having fun with this.  The setting is kind of unique where living with zombies has become normalized and society is functional.  It's also kind of a wild read post covid since most of the book focuses on how bloggers but not traditional media was the thing to be trusted during a pandemic :dead. 
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 29, 2022, 11:57:19 AM
Foundation is a must for any sci-fi fan.

Cause they're ugly pockmarked nerds I'm guessing.
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Post by: chronovore on September 30, 2022, 01:16:27 AM
Reading Feed book one of the Newsflesh series.  I don't find zombies interesting, but I'm having fun with this.  The setting is kind of unique where living with zombies has become normalized and society is functional.  It's also kind of a wild read post covid since most of the book focuses on how bloggers but not traditional media was the thing to be trusted during a pandemic :dead.

Weird, I picked up this book during my trip to the USA, and I am reading it right now as well.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 30, 2022, 11:06:34 PM
His Dark Materials Book #2 - The Subtle Knife

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Damn, RIP Lee Scoresby the texan aeronaught. Great character. I thought he'd make it through the series. That was a good death scene. Hit me with the feels.
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I think I have like 1 or 2 chapters left. This book is better than book #1 imo mostly because Lyra doesn't keep getting kidnapped. Also Will is an interesting character.
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Post by: Potato on October 01, 2022, 04:11:54 AM
Just finished The Empress of Salt and Fortune by Nghi Vo.

Interesting little book. Will definitely check out the follow up.

East Asian influenced fantasy is always refreshing in a world of mediaeval LotR imitations.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 01, 2022, 05:36:24 PM
Finished The Subtle Knife by Phillip Pullman via the full cast unabridged audiobook.

What a ride. That got pretty dark at the end. This book series of His Dark Materials is like every JRPG ever with its mixing of fantasy, science and biblical stuff. As a big Xenogears fan, its right up my alley. Will was a great addition to book #2.

Feels like Brandon Sanderson took some inspirations from this for his main Stormlight Archives series. The Subtle Knife definitely has some similarities to the sword Nightblood and demons and their dynamics feel a lot like Stormlight's spren and their dynamics. Plus some other stuff.

If the final book holds up, this will be one of my favorite series ever. I don't know if I'll watch the HBO adaptation at this point, doesn't feel like you can do this justice in a 3 season TV show.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 02, 2022, 08:21:07 PM
Started on book #3, The Amber Spyglass audiobook and they lost the voice actor for Will, which given the character's importance is a major fuck up. The VA killed it in Subtle Knife as Will, this new recast VA sounds way older and more generic. Apparently the VA for Will was sick during recording of book #3 so they had to recast him :(

Also another thing that threw me off at the start is, the

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Angels in Subtle Knife all talk with like a stoic echo-ing otherworldly voice, including the two angels who show up at the very end and tell Will they're on a mission to guide him to Lord Asreal. Like I would expect from their style of speech that in the written book they'd be talking in italics or CAPs or something.

Then suddenly book 3 starts and the two angels are recast and sound like normal every day people and Balthamos is kind of pathetic?
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Just some weird tonal shifts. Everyone else seems on point and Pullman is still doing a great job as the narrator.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 04, 2022, 04:57:58 AM
Finished Evershore, the third and final Skyward novella and it was great. This novella trio by Janci Patterson and Sanderson were honestly better than the first two main Skyward books. Very Star Wars space battle with force powers sci-fi. The rogue squadron team here is a lot of fun and the set pieces are exciting. Tons of plot progression. Will be fun seeing it play into the main series for the final two books.

Have zero qualms with Patterson writing Sanderson characters. Couldn't really tell the difference in this co-written book.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 08, 2022, 04:16:04 PM
About a quarter or third through His Dark Materials #3 - The Amber Spyglass. The start of this book has some real fluff stuff. This book is a lot longer than the first two books and it's the first book where some of the stuff is pretty uninteresting like the segments with Dr. Malone hanging out with the alien elephants with wheel feet. Once

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Lyra wakes up and gets back together with Will
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It's good again, but that was a bit rough of a start. I'd imagine the TV show will trim that down significantly to make this book fit in one season and it might be better for it.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2022, 12:37:33 AM
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Jeff Immelt sucks. Obviously there's more to the story, plenty of executives at GE screwed up, but the main thing seems to be that Jeff Immelt doesn't believe that he personally could ever screw up. Some of the dumbest decisions are directly because of this. GE overpaid for a bunch of things it bought solely because Immelt wanted them and GE often wanted to set the price too high for other people to even bid. In one of the biggest cases the analysts at the company couldn't figure out how the company was supposed to make money on a purchase based purely on the terms of the deal alone that GE negotiated against itself. (For example they weren't taking the companies most profitable division, instead rerouting it to another company, even though without this division the main company hadn't made any profit in years.) Didn't matter, it was supposed to the "capstone" for Immelt that Jack Welch never accomplished. They also did things like claim they were getting out of insurance entirely, but actually didn't sell all of it because companies wouldn't take a bunch of bad insurance deals they had made. Claimed they were completely out of insurance anyway, then years later the new CEO discovers he's got $15 billion in outstanding insurance liabilities sitting around and the government wants to know about it. Immelt seemed to be obsessed with the idea that GE's only problem was a lack of central narrative or story to sell the company to people and once that was taken care of they'd have so much money any problem didn't matter. Also he did stuff like have an empty company plane fly around behind the company plane he was taking places in case the first plane had a mechanical issue, something the President of the United States does not do not even under Trump. Or have a black car drive him hundreds of feet from the helicopter pad to the front door of a building. Those things weren't tremendous costs to a conglomerate like GE of course but they certainly help illustrate a narrative of a certain imperial management style. There's a couple subtle 30 Rock references, like the chapter about GE selling NBC to Comcast being titled "Kabletown" which I have to approve of.

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Didn't really want to read another 2020 election book, especially not so soon, but this goes past the primaries, is from the Shattered people so they have Clintonite sources and opens with Huma Abedin telling Clintonites not to sign up with any other campaigns until Hillary says otherwise because she should be considered the Democrats presumptive nominee until she refuses to run. (She apparently considered it again as Biden collapsed and Bernie rose until Bloomberg entered the race.) Fine enough book with behind-the-scenes infighting and stuff like you'd expect. Main complaint is that they tried to get it out before Biden took office so it goes into some odd stuff like thinking that Biden's refusal to endorse Defund The Police was threatening his support with minorities and could cause Black people to not vote for him unless he supported it completely. Surely all the progressives on Twitter and at the NYT ("Yes, we really do mean Abolish The Police", "this puts Black @nytimes staffs in danger") wouldn't endorse it as the mandatory One True Position if it wasn't absolutely true. Best part was the Obama and other DNC people who parachuted into the campaign after the primaries and also the Trump campaign both being obsessed and angry about Biden allowing Trump the entire field that summer at the height of COVID/BLM rather than chasing Trump around trying to respond every day to everything in the news cycle. Even as every poll on everything (head-to-head, favorability, direction of country, etc.) was showing Biden rising and Trump dropping they all believed Biden was throwing away the election by not trying to force himself into the media spotlight and directly challenging Trump constantly on every subject he tweeted about from the most progressive position possible. (Both campaigns thought the public polls weren't accurate, but they went about this in different ways that somewhat match the candidates. Trump's campaign did all its own polling and shockingly found, at least with the polls they shared with him personally, that Trump always was winning and the most popular President ever. Biden's inner team simply just reweighted the public polls, with small private polling efforts to confirm, on the assumption that less educated voters should be a larger percentage of the share since all the 2016 and since polls had made the same error of overweighting highly educated voters compared to the final election results especially in regards to whites because these are the types of people willing to respond to polls in the first place.) Related to this, one quoted Trump campaign official couldn't understand why their "we need harsh law and order" rather than "Joe Biden's America of anarchy and chaos" type messaging was working so well since Trump, not Joe Biden, was the actual incumbent President. (I checked and this does seem to actually be true for 2017-2021.)
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Post by: Bebpo on October 13, 2022, 09:26:15 PM
Halfway through Discworld #5 - Sourcery

And this book is a bit dull. Been reading about 10-20 pages a night before I pass out because it's not really grabbing me. Compared to the previous books of Mort and Equal Rites and The Light Fantastic, it just seems kind of uninteresting.

It's about a bunch of wizards and the kid Coin taking over the city and being evil wizards, which is not really that funny?
Then it's about Rincewind and the super thief Conina on a trip with a magic talking hat. This is pretty good. Rincewind is a bit dull on his own, but with other lively characters creates a lot of humorous dialogue as they play off each other. However, it feels a bit of a retread of The Light Fantastic with Rincewind/Two-Flower and Conan and a non-talking but living Luggage.

I dunno, it's fine enough, but Books 2-4 all were really fun and read fast, this isn't. But I feel like some of these Discworld books take a while to get going and then are exciting in their back halves. So maybe the back half will be a big improvement.

Just kind of surprised Pratchett would suggest this was where new readers start on Discworld. I think it'd be better if they actually developed Coin instead of seeing him from the point of view of other wizards.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2022, 08:39:59 AM
this might be of some interest to people here  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60382857-fight-magic-items

Going to listen to Skyward cause its free o audible until the end of the month.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2022, 12:38:24 PM
this might be of some interest to people here  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60382857-fight-magic-items

Going to listen to Skyward cause its free o audible until the end of the month.

Skyward yay! Enjoy. It's more than a bit anime, but it's fun.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2022, 12:47:10 PM
Also before I started on Sourcery, I read Asimov's Nightfall short story and...I didn't care for it and it turned me off reading the other 22 short stories in the collection. Was all build up and then ended before anything happened, found that short story pretty unsatisfying and not sure why it broke him out into the mainstream and made him famous.

After Sourcery will read another short or two from the collection but I think I'll give it about 3-4 stories total before I just shelve it. Then again these aren't Asimov's famous stuff (other than Nightfall), this is a collection of smaller random more unknown shorts, so maybe not the best way to judge if I enjoy his material. Just not sure if I want to commit to a full length novel of his so I'd rather read a good short story first.

Kind of like with Sanderson, I didn't care for the first Mistborn that much (it was ok), but later on I read The Emperor's Soul short story and it was super good and got me into his style and back to reading the rest of his books.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2022, 01:03:42 AM
I know this series is popular in anime and other forms so some people may be interested, Humble Bundle of the original Vampire Hunter D novels, $15 for the whole set: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/vampire-hunter-d-dark-horse-books
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2022, 09:48:36 AM
Skyward was better than I thought it would be, mostly because it's less YA than I had heard people describe it as.  Basically on par with Mistborn in that regard. 
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Post by: Bebpo on October 18, 2022, 11:33:44 AM
Skyward was better than I thought it would be, mostly because it's less YA than I had heard people describe it as.  Basically on par with Mistborn in that regard.

I think it's YA, but in the same way most mecha anime.

There's plenty of anime about a bunch of teen mecha pilots having to defend against mysterious alien invasions while having to grow up fast due to constantly being on the brink of death. Evangelion, Rahxephon, Fafner, Bokurano, etc...Skyward is definitely Sanderson's anime inspired novel.

Fwiw, Book 2 ditches anime for Mass Effect as its inspiration and the Novellas are more Star Wars inspired than anything.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2022, 11:42:57 AM
Ya maybe I should say its YA tropes are ones I am more comfortable with.  You're right about it being very mecha anime-inspired.   
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2022, 10:59:47 PM
Didn't like Starsight that much.  Think a large part of that is the first 2/3rd being the same thing as the first just with new characters and less main character growth.  Ending kind of made up for it though. 
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Post by: Bebpo on October 22, 2022, 01:38:35 AM
I finished Discworld #5 - Sourcery. It was ok. I really struggled to get through more than about 20 pages a night because it really wasn't engaging in a similar way to Colour of Magic. But in the end I can't hate on it because Discworld books are all kind of sweet and heartwarming. The ending pages were nice. It didn't help that it was also about 70 pages longer than the previous books.

Checking out the reviews on Goodreads, it's good to see that a lot of people consider it one of the weaker books in the franchise, so next book should be better. Book #6 is Wyrd Sisters and then Book #7 is Pyramids and book #8 is Guards, Guards, Guards. All of which have a good rep.

Some Goodreads review snippits:

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This book is widely acknowledged to be a lesser work in the series, and just from the point of view of reading them one after the other, it's probably seen worse because of how great the previous three books are. It's probably still better than The Colour of Magic, but lacks that book's feature of introducing the reader to the Discworld.

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The plot overall was a mess. The arch-chancellor's hat... a mess. The towers... a mess. The love triangle (quadrangle when taken as a whole, really)... a mess. The whole armageddon thing... well you get the idea. It's just a bunch of scenes that, if you squint really hard kind of go together, but the overall effect is one of great randomness and poorly-executed ideas.

Sourcery desperately needed more pass-throughs to make it an intelligible book, so what happened? This was Pratchett's first book written after he quit his day job. Did he just not know what to do with himself at this point? Did he struggle to get on track with the two-books-per-year schedule that ran for several years? Was it a deadline from the publisher and/or did Pratchett simply write himself into a corner and was unable to fix this mess in the time available?

It is what it is, and, hey, we still have over three dozen terrific Discworld novels to go back to, so this aberration can be forgiven.

It does seem like a book that would be better on a re-read when you have a full view of the story. One review that gave it 4 stars:

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Why did I give this two stars the first time I read it? I have no idea.


I still think the biggest issue with the book is

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it opens with the introduction of the Sourcerer Coin's overbearing dad becomes a staff so he can guide Coin, and then you see controlled Coin being a shit the whole book outside a line that he was heard crying in his room until the end stuff and because the book spends zero pages the whole book actually showing Coin's perspective and giving him some/any actual character development, it just doesn't work when he finally gets some in like the end.

There needed to be some scenes throughout showing Coin arguing with his staff dad to build up to the point where he finally says no and defies his staff dad when staff dad wants him to zap Rincewind dead in the finale. The character development is just...missing. Very weird.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on October 22, 2022, 02:18:33 AM
My memory of Wyrd Sisters is that it's absolutely hilarious and probably the true introduction to the witches. The interplay between the three leads is comic genius and very, very, very British.

Oh, and Guards, Guards! is also amazingly funny. All of the City Watch books are great because of the characters.

Pyramids is good fun too.

So keen to hear your thoughts on those. It's almost like the real start of Discworld.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2022, 01:58:13 AM
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This was alright but not too super interesting as it somewhat relies on public news details to explore post-2010 Amazon. Has some behind-the-scenes details about various Amazon endeavors but not too inside detail stuff really, he suggests Amazon intially gave him quite a bit of access and cooperation but then cut him off at some point possibly because of the pandemic making things more difficult rather than anything deliberate to harm the book. One exception would be Bezos, who refused to respond and whose ex-wife wrote an infamous one-star Amazon review of the guys previous book on the first half of the Amazon story, The Everything Store, but he also suggests that this may have just been too late in his asking and also due to the pandemic. Bezos is a weird guy but gets a lot of things right and generally (but not always) admits his failures, a sort of anti-Immelt to compare to another recent book I read. The author starts to paint a picture of Bezos changing in his personal life having an effect on Amazon itself but mostly abandons this and doesn't really get too into it other than noting how Bezos put some of his focus on other stuff like Blue Origin or The Washington Post allowing other people to run stuff at Amazon culminating in Bezos stepping down as CEO to become just Chairman last year. Most detailed part of the book was on the development of Alexa, I was hoping he'd get more into AWS and while he notes its success and importance to the company he mostly ignores anything the company did regarding it other than trying to get a Department of Defense contract it lost to Microsoft, possibly because of Trump's hatred of Bezos, and I wonder if he might not have had the technical chops to ask the company about it being a filthy journalist and the way he uses the "cloud" in his writing as if it's some kind of technomagic.

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I liked this but also didn't like parts of this. It's a decent companion to an earlier book I posted, that one analyzed things from the establishment side (i.e. John Boehner, etc.), this one is more the outsiders (Palin or Trump types) and risers who took advantage. The writer is a NYT journalist and MSNBC commentator and I think he's writing for that audience, he says a lot of weird things that seem in that vein of trying not to upset them. He also does that tic I hate, especially in historical works, where he calls random things "historic" or "unprecedented" or says someone is "coming close to crossing the line" or whatever, then goes on to use examples about how actually this stuff is totally normal and goes on all the time. So you get the standard stuff like saying Trump CHANGED EVERYTHING before noting how Pat Buchanan did all the same exact stuff decades earlier and how even MAGA was stolen from Reagan. Then you get even stranger stuff like saying "Newt Gingrich leaned into the dangerous new era with his rhetoric during his presidential campaign" and it's like dude Newt Gingrich built his entire career on red meat for the base and attacking the media! (He never gets around to this other than a hundred pages later mentioning that Gingrich had the House investigate Clinton a lot.) Or stuff like saying "unprecedented ugly attacks" on Obama while both mentioning how Hillary literally personally murdered Vince Foster and not mentioning how Adams said Jefferson was going to rape everyone into atheism. That's unfortunate because the story and presentation of it is otherwise fun even if it jumps around a bit weirdly, I especially like stuff like Trump (or Sarah Palin earlier on) saying random things nobody noticed in say 2011, but now a decade later are hilarious unintentional foreshadowing of history. (One example, Trump apparently tweeted on election night 2012 that "the machines" had stolen the election from Romney, while in the real world he was talking to Roger Stone somewhat accusing Stone of having convinced Trump to "back that loser" when Stone wanted Trump to run against Romney. Also, there's language from a Romney campaign memo about how they convinced Trump to endorse by telling him how big the media attention and crowd of reporters for it would be. Apparently Trump had been offering unsolicited advice to the campaign for some time about the importance of large crowds whenever Romney appeared on TV.) This is also the second book published this year that I've read in recent months that mentions the Trayvon Martin case as an example of something almost entirely unrelated other than how he was Black, gets the legal outcome wrong and then of all the things on the page doesn't have a citation for that. No need to cite obvious things after all.

My favorite story in this I had not seen before: So if you remember, Chris Christie was originally hired by Trump to lead the transition team. Not the worst possible decision in the world considering and Christie does what's normal and makes binders full of candidates for appointments. As is well known, nobody else from the Trump team ever looks at these or goes to any of the transition meetings. Anyway, the day after Trump wins, Steve Bannon realizes somebody should look at these and since he wanted to influence the picks he decides to head down to the room where they were stored in Trump Tower and take a look. So he starts leafing through one of them and realizes, shit, this is a lot of people. Trump will have to appoint thousands directly and at least tens of thousands more indirectly. Bannon decides, well, I don't need to know everything just what interests me, and asks an aide how many people Trump will appoint to just the main national security team for example. He gets the answer and goes "Ninety?!? We don't know ninety people!" This is when Trump fires Christie and puts Mike Pence and Jeff Sessions in charge of it. :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 24, 2022, 10:45:52 PM
Finally finished Feed -- think I listed to 6 audio books in between the time I started and finished it.  I liked it but it's a unique book and slow for a good majority.  The story doesn't feel like it starts until 2/3rd of the way through and before that, it's very much like a slice-of-life book about being a blogger in a post-zombie world.  Will read the next one at some point because the story gets pretty good at the end.  I also really liked most of the characters. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 25, 2022, 03:08:59 AM
After a few more Asimov short stories, his writing style just isn't clicking with me so I'm bailing.

Was going to read Stephen King's Revival next and started it, but I'm towards the end of a few other things right now and don't really feel like starting a long book from scratch. So I might read Skyward #3 or Abercrombie's Best Served Cold since I'm already invested in those worlds.

The final Mistborn Series 2 book comes out in about 20 days, so probably just have time for one more full length book before that. Not sure if I want to go Sanderson -> Sanderson which is why I was thinking of reading Revival. I dunno I'll give it like 50 pages and see if I get into it. Fell asleep like 15 pages in last night.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 25, 2022, 09:07:15 AM
I'm listening to Skyward #3 now -- can't say I actually like it.  About 3 hours in.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 25, 2022, 01:27:30 PM
I'm listening to Skyward #3 now -- can't say I actually like it.  About 3 hours in.

Yeah, I've read some opinions by both Skyward fans and Sanderson fans that didn't enjoy it much.

I'm guessing you skipped the Novellas that take place before it? I feel like they're not only good but pretty important.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 25, 2022, 04:12:04 PM
Ya skipped those
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 25, 2022, 05:49:37 PM
Ah, well I’d recommend them. Sanderson likes to write these .5 novellas that are meant to go before the next books.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 25, 2022, 09:18:21 PM
After a few more Asimov short stories, his writing style just isn't clicking with me so I'm bailing.

Was going to read Stephen King's Revival next and started it, but I'm towards the end of a few other things right now and don't really feel like starting a long book from scratch. So I might read Skyward #3 or Abercrombie's Best Served Cold since I'm already invested in those worlds.

The final Mistborn Series 2 book comes out in about 20 days, so probably just have time for one more full length book before that. Not sure if I want to go Sanderson -> Sanderson which is why I was thinking of reading Revival. I dunno I'll give it like 50 pages and see if I get into it. Fell asleep like 15 pages in last night.

Best Served Cold was my first Abercrombie book, and I absolutely loved it. It’s a little bit like Kill Bill reimagined through The Black Company lens.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 25, 2022, 11:24:15 PM
Wait you red them out of order?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 26, 2022, 07:45:35 PM
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 27, 2022, 02:27:17 AM
Wait you red them out of order?
Yes. I read several Abercrombie books that were one-offs prior to reading his trilogy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 27, 2022, 08:15:39 PM
I'm 1/3 through Between Two Fires by Christopher Buehlman.  This book comes up a lot in recommendations for things like Dark Souls and Beserk, and it's a good fit.  Set in the 1300's France during the Black Death, which, from the prologue we know was sent by Satan to test God's ability to defend mankind. 

It's also free on Audible Plus, and the author has done a full reading on youtube but the audio quality is a bit rough 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb6rSooDNQI
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 28, 2022, 11:07:18 PM
The epilogue for His Dark Materials is taking me a bit to get through because it's so boooooring. The Amber Spyglass is a pretty huge downgrade from books 1 & 2 in this trilogy. There's lots of good stuff, but there's a whole ton of dull stuff and almost 100% of it takes place in the animals on wheels world. I hope they cut all that out of the show. Really hurts an otherwise great trilogy.

Things in book #3 that were good:

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-Will vs Yorick
-The little spy people  that ride on dragonflies
-The land of the dead
-The final battle of Azreal and everyone vs metatron
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Things that were bad
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-Everything with these talking animals on wheels and mary malone and the priest guy going after her.
-The book is called The Amber Spyglass, yet the spyglass didn't seem very important? Oh yay, it lets Mary Malone see Dust. Whereas The Subtle Knife was super important.
-This epilogue of Will and Lyra falling in love and having to split up apart and omggg it is so YA and drags out. I don't think book 1 was that YA, book 2 I wouldn't call YA at all and it was pretty dark and badass, book 3 feels a lot more YA.
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Book 2 worked by having a non-Lyra PoV with Lee Scoresby because he was awesome. Book 3's non-Lyra PoV with Dr. Malone is awful so it's like you get some good chapters and then you get a boring Malone chapter that you gotta push through and then back to the good PoVs. Its what happens when you have multiple PoV characters and some of them kinda suck and drag the book down.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 29, 2022, 05:15:56 PM
Ok, finished His Dark Materials trilogy. The last few ending scenes were good. Not sure if I'll read/listen to the spinoffs. Depends on if they're closer to the style of the first two books or this third one.

Definitely interested in checking out the TV adaptation now though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on October 31, 2022, 12:42:15 AM
Yeah, I felt the same way about the books. Wheel World - - OK, I get it. I got it several dozen pages ago. Can we move on? And then the denouement seems to drag. It's a good read, let down by some fumbling in the final bit. Still worth reading.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 31, 2022, 05:44:11 PM
https://www.audible.com/ep/monster-sale
sale

:edit  ended up getting Conspiracy Against the Human Race and The Grey Bastards
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 01, 2022, 12:50:18 PM
Dang, having just finished this book, this trailer looks like a great adaptation of The Amber Spyglass. The angels look cooler than I expected for TV budget (even if it's HBO TV budget).

https://youtu.be/I3xN5I1XnRc

Also, pretty sure I didn't see any wheel riding animals in there. So maybe they will cut the boring stuff.

Just started on S1, should be caught up by the time this airs in a month.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 02, 2022, 11:52:22 AM
Between Two Fires was exceptional.  Highly recommend.  It's got Dark Souls and Beserks themes and the plot is similar to the first five seasons of Supernatural but set in 1300's France and done with gravity and actual horror. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 02, 2022, 11:54:38 AM
Ah, well I’d recommend them. Sanderson likes to write these .5 novellas that are meant to go before the next books.

Missed this.  Might read them if they go on sale.  But it will be out of order now. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 02, 2022, 12:35:24 PM
I'm almost done with Stephen King's Revival. I'm reading it because I heard it's the coolest book King has written in the last decade (it's 2014), and yeah, so far it's really fun and wild. Heard about it from recently when the King podcast did an interview with King and apparently they went into the ending of Revival because it's "so crazy" or something.

Even as a huge Stephen King fan I've barely touched his post-accident 2004+ stuff. I've read almost all his pre-accident stories since I grew up on them, but I think the only post-accident King I've read are the final three Dark Tower books and Dr. Sleep and now Revival. His books are so fucking long now, but Revival isn't bad at 400 pages although it covers a lot of time and reminds me of IT a bit in that way.

After I finish Revival, I think I'll just get back to catching up on One Piece since the final Mistborn book is only 13 days away and gonna read that day 1 so don't want to be in the middle of anything.

Between Two Fires was exceptional.  Highly recommend.  It's got Dark Souls and Beserks themes and the plot is similar to the first five seasons of Supernatural but set in 1300's France and done with gravity and actual horror.

Yeah, this sounds up my alley. Will give this a read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 02, 2022, 08:59:38 PM
Listening to Paperbacks from Hell.  It's got some good summaries:

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In Blood Worm (1987), the main character’s wife sleeps with an
enormous number of men during the worm-and beetle apocalypse and then leaves a note for her
husband saying she’s a slut and, by the way, their daughter is missing. She immediately becomes
an alcoholic hobo and is last seen stumbling around the ruins of London, which has been
abandoned to the inevitable postapocalyptic motorcycle gangs.

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Brotherkind (1987) starts as your typical abduction story, with Sheila gangbanged on a UFO by a bunch of
midget aliens who must use the power of their collective semen to overcome her DNA’s natural
resistance. Also, Bigfoot joins in because he was hitching a lift.


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The horror woman has a willowy, athletic figure with dynamite legs. Contrary to expectations, she
is often flat-chested (with notable exceptions). She comes in two flavors: either dreamy and
artistic, in which case she is given to precognitive dreams, shivers, and a sense that this place is
pervaded by an indefinable evil; or practical and hardheaded, ready to sacrifice herself by
performing an ancient ritual to save the world or racing into danger to save either her beloved
man or child. The most expressive parts of her body are her nipples. They noticeably harden,
when she is aroused, surprised, confused, or meeting new people. They are practically prehensile
tentacles, capable of lengthening, thickening, unfurling, budding, flaring, and swelling. If she’s
nice, she’s blonde, or maybe brunette. If she likes sex too much, her hair is red. Her eyes are
almost always green, occasionally gray.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 03, 2022, 04:49:07 PM
Finished King's Revival. Was a good book, with good characters and an enjoyable journey but ending was just alright and the whole book was kind of a build up for the reveal which is like the last 15 pages. It's hard to live up to that and close it out in a satisfying way when you write a story that way.

The ending wasn't bad, but it's just kind of derivative though it's meant to be homage.

Also I didn't find this book scary at all. In fact until the end stuff I felt this was more a character drama non-horror book. Maybe I'm just desensitized to horror at this point. Some people say this book is really scary but I don't see that at all. Even the end stuff,

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I still really enjoyed the book though. Great read. Stephen King's never really been great at sticking the landings and that's ok because the books are entertaining. Despite a lot of people hating the last few Dark Tower books, thinking back I think it's probably my favorite Stephen King ending and the most satisfying. Which is funny because he wrote himself into a corner there with having to explain basically THE MYSTERY OF THE UNIVERSE AND LIFE ITSELF and you're like there's no way he can come up with a satisfying reveal to that question, and so

Dark Tower ending spoilers
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he just dodges that question and makes Roland stuck in an eternal time loop of misery
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And I found that worked and was pretty satisfying and conclusionary and my favorite King ending.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2022, 08:54:53 AM
Cytonic was bad.  It does the whole Spensa goes to a new place and needs to make friends, now for a third time in three books.  It is essentially just a training montage that purposefully delays the progress of the book until 3/4 in when it's like welp I guess it's time to do the thing we have been avoiding.  The losing memory aspect just seems to be a cover for characters to act weird and delay the information plot until the end instead of actually being meaningful.  Also because it relies on the rule of cool a bit too much it feels more young-adulty compared to the other two. 


Goodreads has me at 40 books this year so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 06, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
That's a bummer. Sanderson does occasionally write a weak book. I thought Mistborn series 2, book 2 was bad and the latest Stormlight Archives book 4 was kinda weak. Hopefully he turns it around in the final book.

I'll probably read Cytonic early next year. Hopefully I'll like it a bit more.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2022, 11:10:00 AM
Ya, it's kind of muted my interest in the series but will read the next one.  It's not like it doesn't progress the series narrative, it just delays doing so until right at the end of the book.  A good way of describing it would be a season of a CW show where the whole thing could really just be the last two episodes. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 06, 2022, 11:51:28 AM
Ya, it's kind of muted my interest in the series but will read the next one.  It's not like it doesn't progress the series narrative, it just delays doing so until right at the end of the book.  A good way of describing it would be a season of a CW show where the whole thing could really just be the last two episodes.

That's what I've heard.

Which is interesting because the Novellas have more moving forward plot development for the series than the entirety of books 1 & 2. The novellas are running parallel to Cytonic.

My understanding without looking into spoilers is that:

Timeline:
Skyward 1
Skyward 2
Skyward Flight trilogy dealing with the politics, world building and side character and main plot progression following Skyward 2   / Cytonic dealing with Spensa side adventure in the nowhere
then the final book will pick up from where those two books merge into a finale


In that case I think Cytonic probably works better in the whole, but yeah without the Novellas you're only getting the side adventure and not the plot progression after Skyward 2.

It's a lot different than Stormlight novellas which are more side adventures filling with a small bit of plot. With the Skyward novellas, it's pretty damn progression heavy. The difference in the Skyward Flight group's position in the universe at the start of the novellas (After Starsight) and the end is like ...insane.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2022, 08:34:35 PM
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Steve Jobs dies and Tim Apple takes over and Jony Ive gets bored. All while Apple makes more money than ever. The main theme is replacing Jobs, which Apple decides to not even attempt, and the main thing is the development of the Apple Watch. Book basically ignores stuff like the App Store until suddenly Tim Apple discovers there's a whole bunch of money there late in the book. (I'm going to assume he actually knew this before.) Nothing really too crazy since Apple doesn't let anybody talk to anybody, minor drama around a few things, biggest "fun" point is when another top level executive tells another one he can't even figure out the purpose of the Apple Watch or why anyone would want to buy it other than it's an Apple product. Tim Apple and Ive wisely ignore this although it's not the iPod level hit that some expected. Most important fact from this book: Steve Jobs collected a symbolic one dollar a year salary from Apple but he swiped his employee badge to "buy" lunch for himself and other people in the cafeteria and loved that he didn't know how it got paid.

Anyway, good news, since somebody is back:
https://twitter.com/reaIstevejob/status/1590486756201488384

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Ray Scott seems like a cool dude but this is pretty boring once he gets to the NBA. He just skims over his career, tells you what happened which like you could find out anywhere (Pistons won 50 games and he won Coach of the Year one time) and rarely gives any inside details or anything. I don't blame Scott but his editors and Rosen allowed a bunch of wrong stuff to get in the book, dates are completely off, the timeline is chronological but jumps back and forth. Magic is in the NBA, now suddenly he's in high school and Scott wants to schedule a college game against him, that kind of thing happens. Also, he takes shots at Shaq which I know, absolutely know, come from Rosen because I used to read Rosen back in the day. I'm sure Scott agrees with the general jist, he later laments the modern NBA's interest in the three pointer and other things, but it's definitely Rosen's "Shaq has no talent period and he's just a big bully" crap when Shaq is one of the most nimble and best ballhandlers of bigs including people smaller than him. The guy used how many possessions but rarely ever turned it over for a big let alone one using that many possessions! These dudes seriously want to say Shaq could demolish Tim Duncan during Duncan's peak while being a no-talent hack? This is the same stuff you complain people say about Wilt, guys, and you rightly object then!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2022, 02:24:25 PM
Every month or two I check Sanderson's website progress bars to see how Stormlight 5 is coming along. I think last time I checked two months ago it was at 13% for first draft completion (and he started in like January 2022), and now it's 17% completion. This book is still so far away. I hope he makes fall 2024 but I'm expecting 2025 at this rate.

https://www.brandonsanderson.com/

Getting The Lost Metal day. I hope it's good and I hope it has some real substantial Cosmere lore drops to hold over for the next two year+ wait until Stormlight 5.

I know we're getting three Cosmere books in 2023 from the kickstarter project, but while I'm looking forward to those, I don't expect them to substantially move the overall Cosmere lore narrative like Lost Metal and Stormlight 5 should be doing. But maybe they will, who knows. I really liked his Cosmere novellas and I'm expecting the secret projects to be more like those but novel-length.

I just really want Stormlight 5 to be good and for him not to fuck it up. It's so hard for author's to close out their epic stories satisfyingly and there's so many characters and plotlines built up in Stormlight, it has a lot to pull off.

Plus if you've read Stormlight 4 (book spoilers for that)
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Setting up the Stormlight finale as taking place entirely over a 9 day period, already feels like he's writing himself into a limiting corner which will be hard to pull off for a 1,000 page+ book.
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 19, 2022, 07:10:07 PM
Just finished The Lesser Dead by Christopher Buehlman.  It's from the POV of a vampire who lives in a colony under the subway in NY 1978 and finds a bunch of children who have been abused and turned into vampires.  The first half kind of feels like light horror and maybe more urban fantasy and then the ending is vicious.  I kind of want to read it again right now. 

He also narrates it and it is honestly on par with James Marsters's Dresden narrations.  Between this, Black Tounge Thief and especially Between Two Fires, I think he's becoming one of my favourite authors.  Also every book is so different from the other.

Like Between Two Fires, it's free on audible plus.  Also apparently it's being made into a radio drama with Minnie Driver  https://deadline.com/2022/01/minnie-driver-scripted-supernatural-podcast-the-lesser-dead-echoverse-1234912148/

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 25, 2022, 12:14:21 AM
Listened to three Grady Hendrix books:  Horrorstor was bad.  Paperbacks from Hell was fun and interesting. My Best Friend's Exorcism was great.  If you like Stanger Things, you'd like this. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on November 29, 2022, 04:29:11 PM
Recently finished
Middlegame was very slow to start but got better by the end. Typical tor.com urban science fantasy stuff. First time I've read Seanan McGuire, heard lots of good things, but I find her style very pretentious.


Hammers on Bone was a Lovecraft inspired noir. It was great. Khaw has a really good grasp of language and that came through in the time and feel. Highly recommended of you like Lovecraft and mild body horror stuff.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2022, 02:32:55 PM
Alright, I need to cancel audible again. Last time they reeled me back in with 1/2 price for 3 months and $8.50 a book ain't bad for audiobooks.

Gotta spend my credits before I cancel. Got like 3 credits left and already have Sandman Act III in my backlog. I thought about getting some of the His Dark Materials novellas but sorry, $8.50 credit for a 45 min novella...no thnx. Gotta get my money's worth.


I'm thinking Dresden files book #1...and not sure what else. Madrun, out of all the stuff you've been listening to, what's the best 2-3 you'd recommend lately?


Also I'm about 2/3rds through Mistborn S2E4 - The Lost Metal and IDK. Going to be very curious to see what Sanderson Cosmere era thinks about this one once I finish it. It's entertaining but for a series finale in a Cosmere entry it's...weirdly low stakes street level. It feels like Mistborn 2's Books 1-3 were a proper trilogy with Book #3 The Bands of Mourning being the great epic adventure conclusion to it all and one of my favorite Sanderson books and then this is like...the years later one-shot epilogue story. It has a lot of Cosmere stuff but it just feels really low key so far. Feels closer to a book #1 than a finale. Should get to the finale pretty soon and will be interesting to see if this ratchets up in the end. I guess coming from Stormlight #4 which is building up to very epic shit, I was really expecting Mistborn S2E4 to be off the hook crazy finale on the level of Stormlight or the final Mistborn S1 book The Hero of Ages, but...it really isn't so far.

Also I can't tell if it's because during the gap between Rhythm of War and Lost Metal that I've read a lot of of other fantasy authors like Abercrombie and Wheel of Time #1 and a lot of Gaiman and a lot of others, but I'm finding the writing in Lost Metal pretty plain. Like even Skyward and Starsight which were written very recently by Sanderson felt more alive with energy and flavor than this book so far. And The Lost Metal probably had the longest editing/feedback process of any of his books since he finished it a year and a half ago and its just been sitting going through revisions. IDK.

Just makes me feel like I need Stormlight #5 even more haha. I think I'm going to do a full series re-read leading up to that one. Even though it's only been like three years since I read The Bands of Mourning, I'm surprised how many of the smaller stuff I'd forgotten. Probably should've re-read Mistborn 2 books before reading this one.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 04, 2022, 02:36:36 PM
Think my top recently are Lesser Dead, Between Two Fires (both free on audible+ so maybe don't do credits), and We Are Legion.  Dresden is great, but only becomes so 2.5 books in.

Didn't listen to it, but hear the audio is great for Black Tongue Thief. 
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Post by: Potato on December 04, 2022, 02:38:07 PM
I really enjoyed the Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell audio book of you haven't listened to that one.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2022, 02:56:39 PM
Think my top recently are Lesser Dead, Between Two Fires (both free on audible+ so maybe don't do credits), and We Are Legion.  Dresden is great, but only becomes so 2.5 books in.

Didn't listen to it, but hear the audio is great for Black Tongue Thief.

Yeah, free ones don't help haha. I gotta spend these credits. I'll come back to audible when I'm caught up on my audiobooks and then can listen to free stuff. Haven't been listening to audiobooks for the last few weeks since I finished His Dark Materials #3. At least my backlog right now is only 1 book with Sandman Act III and then it'll be whatever I buy with these 3 credits.

Going to grab We Are Legion and Dresden (yeah I know it takes a while but I'm still going to start with book 1). So just have one credit left.

I really enjoyed the Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell audio book of you haven't listened to that one.

I both got 1/4th into the actual physical book of this and I bought the BBC show adaptation and watched the first ep or two which covered what I'd read.

At some point I do plan to finish the book and the show. It's just a very long book and kind of dry (but good!).
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Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2022, 03:13:08 PM
Maybe I'll grab Black Tongue Thief. I'd get Murderbot #1, but I'm not huge on Sci-fi these days and We Are Legion will be enough Sci-fi for me.


Also not sure I wanna start another fantasy series though (beyond Dresden). Would be nice if there was a one off good horror book I haven't read. Maybe I should grab a recent Stephen King book that people like.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2022, 03:18:05 PM
Actually, maybe I'll finally check out McCarthy's Blood Meridian that everyone always name drops (I've read some of his other stuff, but not this one). Looking it up people like the audiobook narrator and it's not too insanely long.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 04, 2022, 03:21:28 PM
Murderbot novellas are short and need to be read first.  They go on sale though.  Blood Meridian is amazing, I assume that the audio might make it significantly easier to read, since it was written without punctuation. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2022, 03:37:25 PM
Murderbot novellas are short and need to be read first.  They go on sale though.  Blood Meridian is amazing, I assume that the audio might make it significantly easier to read, since it was written without punctuation.

 :cry

whyyyy
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Post by: Potato on December 04, 2022, 05:29:50 PM
Everything murderbot is awesome.

Jonathan Strange BBC adaptation wasn't my cup of tea. Audio book version was though
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2022, 07:02:31 PM
What's the starting point for Murderbot? Which is the first novella?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 04, 2022, 07:09:49 PM
All Systems Red
Artificial Condition
Rogue Protocol
Exit Strategy
Network Effect (novel)
Fugitive Telemetry
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2022, 07:37:30 PM
All Systems Red
Artificial Condition
Rogue Protocol
Exit Strategy
Network Effect (novel)
Fugitive Telemetry

Is that an order from top to bottom?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 04, 2022, 07:40:08 PM
Ya sorry, should have numbered. 
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Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2022, 08:05:33 PM
All good. Will give the first one a read.
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Post by: archnemesis on December 05, 2022, 02:29:33 AM
I picked up both Network Effect and Fugitive Telemetry from the local library. They're as great as the earlier books.

I'm also reading Deep Work by Cal Newport. It's so heavily quoted that it feels like I've read it before.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 05, 2022, 06:30:12 AM
Reading the Prose Edda since I'm playing GOW Ragnarok. Tried reading the poetic one first but that one already expects you to have a base understanding of most of the myths/characters.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 12:26:42 AM
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First of two books I have on that time China lost its fucking mind and Mao was totally cool with it because he found it amusing. Before Xi's recent crack down China had opened up more of its archives regarding the period and so lots of new accounts were available to researchers, especially outsiders. (Xi does not yet seem to be interested in stopping criticism of the period, which he personally suffered during, so this may continue. [original research?]) Both this book and the later one focused on getting access to more personal records like diaries and so on and wanted to try to describe what happened outside of simply intrigue and events in Beijing and the inner circle of The Party. Book is a good example of Stalin's maxim that "one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic" as just saying that 1/8th or more of the population was directly oppressed during this period really downplays the abject insanity and outright cruelty done in the name of stamping out capitalist roaders inside The Party itself. Also, although the author doesn't say it because you can never say it in academia, the book outlines how the savior to the madness was (surprise) capitalism filling the gaps. Turns out that ignoring the state and trying to make sure everybody has enough to eat sometimes actually convinces the state to leave you alone even in a totalitarian regime hellbent on deliberately being insane. (The other book, which I am on now, specifically suggests a different thesis from this one (at least according to the translators) but I'm not sure it will actually disagree and is instead splitting hairs about the "winner" of events. This one pretty clearly says Deng basically won in the end, it's saying it's not necessarily because of anything he did deliberately.) Of the two books, this is definitely the shorter one and probably more friendly language one (it's not translated from Chinese after all), the guy is sometimes sarcastic and facetious about the accusations leveled during the period that lifelong party members who had been on the Long March were secretly capitalists the entire time. One criticism? He uses British slang like "punters" which I manage to understand because I read Edge back in the day but I still hate that word and refuse on principle to find out how it came to mean shoppers. On a more personal level, while we can never truly know how we'll act in the moment until the moment I'm going to warn you all that when the Next Cultural Revolution comes to The Bire I'm going to be really fucking annoying about it rather than comply to show my loyalty to The Party like the first teachers did in China. Very much do not plan on beating the dead bodies of my colleagues you just tortured to death or whatever to show you I'm not a counter-revolutionary too.

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That time a member of the media helped deceive America into a military conflict. (What's that? More than once? Are you sure?) A compulsive liar and con man essentially works his way into the media as the result of schemes to cover up his past. Rather than simply stop lying he decides that since it's worked so well so far to keep lying and things escalate. At some point a bunch of powerful people decide that "hey, this guy really knows what he's talking about" and one thing leads to another leads to millions of Americans are enslaved, imprisoned or dead. Obviously we shouldn't let people like Woodrow Wilson off the hook, he wasn't deceived really, he was being told what he wanted to hear. I know I'm being harsh but personally I think the President should make decisions about war based on a bit more than some random dude whose past nobody can find out (because he's a fictious person) in Rhode Island telling him he agrees it's a good idea and that he has supporting evidence in a bunch of events that nobody else can confirm even happened. Worst part is the author keeps referring to the 2016 election and Russia, even opening the book with how 2016 wasn't the "first time a foreign country tried to influence Americans." Which, no fucking shit, dummy. The Monroe Doctrine wasn't a literal wall built in the sea. Also, the irony of the whole book is that there's a much more obvious parallel sitting right there that should seem totally inescapable, especially for someone who is himself a journalist. A fraudster with no worthwhile credentials and no shame about lying for personal gain including trying to conceal his past completely? A reporter who "reports" with zero care for accuracy only whether or not the sensation can bring him personal acclaim? A public devotion to a phony "cause" in which he humbly (through sheer good standard journalism) fights, nearly alone, against a powerful international conspiracy to undermine democracy with disinformation? A willingness to work with other fraudsters, discredited officials and outright no goods who will use any means necessary in the name of this cause? John R. Rathom was a Blue Check.

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Disclaimer: I have worked with and otherwise support the Innocence Project, I thought the guys name was familiar when I picked this up but it wasn't until I actually went to read it that I discovered he's some hot shot big wig lawyer guy at it, so disclaimer. Basically is what it says on the tin, it's about bad science in convicting people especially innocent people of crimes in the United States. All of which is admissible in court for the reason that it was admissible previously no matter how awful it is. I'll stress, especially after I peeked at the negative reviews, that this is not 10 Junk Science Things That Totally Suck as the guy is a lawyer not a scientist of any kind and it focuses primarily on bite marks. The framing is three specific cases (with mentions of a few others) that the Innocence Project successfully managed to free innocent people on with only minor contention by the state compared to normal. If you're not aware, the United States justice system operates on the principle of "finality" and that once a verdict is issued you are not to reopen it and the state should fight with every means to ever free anyone convicted of anything. Surprisingly, Texas is actually one of the better states about this as you can not only challenge the science that convicted you under habeas corpus (no guarantee of success of course, it's the state after all) it's also one of the few states that actually awards compensation to innocent people convicted of crimes who serve time in prison (again no guarantees but other states won't give you shit) and some of these awards can actually be quite large. That said, the book does document former Governor Rick Perry bragging about killing an innocent man because he was a "monster" despite not actually killing his children and then shutting down a state investigatory commission (that has since been revived and doing good work) so it wouldn't harm his Presidential bid in 2012. Also, from experience I think the book (which admittingly is not in its purview of "junk science" although I'd argue...) somewhat downplays some of the absolute complete shit prosecutors do to mislead juries. But again, it does mention the unindicted co-ejaculator theory (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3121432) so that's always fun and I can't complain really.

Lastly, because Goodreads had a thing (it's where I steal these covers from) I have read 45 books for the year not counting comics (I only log the actual physical TPBs I've read) and will get to at least 46 maybe 47. No idea if this is normal or not, one of my friends did their pledge thing and wanted to read 12 books for the year, they logged... 2. (I think they just forgot to keep going on Goodreads, 12 seems reasonable based on their past years. Still a win in a contest I didn't enter by the two sweetest words in the English language: DEE FAULT! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvIISDoarU))
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on December 19, 2022, 12:43:40 AM
On a more personal level, while we can never truly know how we'll act in the moment until the moment I'm going to warn you all that when the Next Cultural Revolution comes to The Bire I'm going to be really fucking annoying about it rather than comply to show my loyalty to The Party like the first teachers did in China. Very much do not plan on beating the dead bodies of my colleagues you just tortured to death or whatever to show you I'm not a counter-revolutionary too.
Is this a subtle reference to the fact that we just passed the 12 month anniversary of "The (failed) Great (Rumbler) Purge (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=48296.0)"?
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Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 02:31:25 AM
Ah, no, I was more referring to that revolution I'm always being promised is right around the corner. For the record, I like Rumblar and think he just made an impulsive mistake.
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Post by: Potato on December 19, 2022, 05:44:04 AM
Just finished this - Made Things by Adrian Tchaikovsky.

Nice little fantasy story. Well written and entertaining.

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Planned to read 20 books this year. I just hit 7.

Last year I did 14 and in 2020 I made it to 20. My average is usually around 15. A bit disappointed in myself.
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Post by: archnemesis on December 19, 2022, 07:32:40 AM
I started keeping a list of books read this year. That helps with motivation. I'll post it at the end of the year (I'm at 22 currently).

Children of Time was great and I've been meaning to read more by Tchaikovsky.
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Post by: Potato on December 19, 2022, 01:55:21 PM
Good Reads helps with that
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 23, 2022, 01:48:48 PM
Fantasticland:  basically Lord of Flies but with 20 yearolds taking place in an amusement park after a hurricane.  The first half was very good and does a wonderful job of setting up how things go to shit so fast and then the last half is just a milquetoast borefeast. 
 
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Post by: Bebpo on December 25, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Been reading a few game books lately. About the only non-fiction I read.

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Resident Evil by Philip J. Reed in the Boss Fight Books series - This was a mostly fun read. I was wondering how someone would be able to write a 170 page book on Resident Evil 1 without it dragging but Reed's an entertaining writing and at least 75% of the book is a fun read. Has some nice breakdowns of scene, story and gameplay composition. Some interesting stories about the behind the scenes from the live-action non-Japanese actors, has a lot of humorous trolling of the dialogue. The book's weaknesses is mostly in that Reed, likely because of the language barrier, didn't interview anyone Japanese. Which completely ignores you know, every person involved in making the game outside the actors, English VAs and localization people. This seems like a huge oversight and it would've helped justify the page length. It does drag a bit towards the end, but overall it's short enough that if you like Resident Evil 1 it's worth a read.

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A Profound Waste of Time #1 may be the greatest single volume discourse on videogames I've ever read. It's a beautiful book with amazing print quality. The articles are all fantastic by interesting game devs, journalists, actors, etc.. the art is great and really pops out as well. The Mugen Lynx paper is super nice. Great length too at almost 200 pages. This is a perfect book if there ever was one. If you've ever wanted a book on videogames and videogame development for adults, this is the one to get. Will probably gift people copies of this over the years. Great cover too.

*edit* Actually, I looked into picking up a gift copy and I see these things are sold out and it's tough for the creator to do reprints outside kickstarters every year or two or three. Will have to keep an eye out for the next kickstarter in 2-3 years and pick up some gift copies then. Sucks this stuff isn't more readily accessible. Reading the creator's comments, they may have some extras from this Issue 1/2 reprint they are doing in January to sell on the main website. I signed up for their newsletter so will keep an eye out.

On the contrast,

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Lock On #1 was...eh. Whereas APWOT featured writers who had interesting things to say, this issue feels like an Era thread or any message board and every article is by a fan just writing about a game they liked. A lot of the articles are poorly written and some have questionable takes (there's an article on why game remakes & remasters are bad because they take away from devs creating new experiences and that we should just all be happy to track down and play games on original hardware, which had me roll my eyes almost out of my head). Half of the articles on games spend the whole article just describing the game without actually saying anything about it! On top of that the art generally feels like the fanart you find on pininterest and stuff. And most of all the feel and print of the book is terrible. The type of paper they use combined with the fonts and color backgrounds for the pages are really badly designed. I read at night in bed and the nightstand lamp creates a light reflection on the gloss of the pages making it unreadable, so I have to try to have the light be offset and then it's just hard to read with the small fonts. Almost feels like it was made as a digital magazine first or at least the priority was there. Unfortunately I flipped through the latter issues of Lost in Cult to see if they became aware of this issue with the paper gloss and fonts and ever fixed it, but nope. Even issue #4 still feels and looks the same. Print quality sucks imo. Basically between the writing, the art and the build quality, Lost in Cult feels like a really amateur fanzine. Hoping at least the writing is curated better in the later volumes.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 25, 2022, 01:31:00 PM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09LRXBPTF

Skyward Flight: The Collection: Sunreach, ReDawn, Evershore (The Skyward Series)  for 3$
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Post by: Potato on December 25, 2022, 08:53:39 PM
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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53265678-when-the-tiger-came-down-the-mountain (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53265678-when-the-tiger-came-down-the-mountain)

When the tiger came down the mountain by Nghi Vo.

Stories about telling stories usually leave me flat, but this was pretty good because there was genuine tension in both of the parallel stories being told.

I enjoyed the first book in the series and I'm glad I picked up the second because it was even better.

I really like that tordotcom publish lots of fantasy that exists outside the standard mediaeval Europe/Tolkien worship. It's nice to go into these types of stories and not quite understand how the world functions. Feels like discovering something new.

These books are novella length, so are a nice easy read for Christmas if anyone is looking for something that can be started and finished in one day.
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Post by: Potato on December 31, 2022, 01:48:31 AM
Finished my 10th book for the year to get to 50% of my goal. 2022 was a busy year, so I'm not that disappointed, but I'm planning to get closer next year.

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Every Heart a Doorway by Seanan McGuire. Another tordotcom novella with all that description entails. Lots of LGBT characters that often feel shoehorned in to meet a quota or specific expectation. However, the world-building was excellent.

plot discussion
While McGuire is a competent writer I don't think she really knows how to structure a murder mystery and the revelation just left me cold. No breadcrumbs, no hints, just a pretty cold reveal.
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I got the whole series for free via TOR's newsletter, and they're short books, so I'll probably read the rest of the series, but it wouldn't be high on my recommendations list.

Apparently, this series has been picked up by Paramount+ which I think would make for a great teen/CW-style series if they get the casting right and a good showrunner who can develop the story beats a little better.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 31, 2022, 08:59:02 AM
Sunreach 3/5, ReDawn 4/5 and should have been the third novel, Evershore 3/5 shit is getting anime dumb.

Got 52 books done this year.  Might be 53 if I finish listening to The Black Echo today. 
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Post by: Bebpo on December 31, 2022, 02:03:31 PM
Sunreach 3/5, ReDawn 4/5 and should have been the third novel, Evershore 3/5 shit is getting anime dumb.

Got 52 books done this year.  Might be 53 if I finish listening to The Black Echo today.

Yeah, ReDawn was the great one.

Haha, I don't think it's dumb, but the series power levels are off the fucking charts by the end of Evershore and it's super anime for sure.

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Going from the start of the novellas as weak space humans with no powers and just top gun ships to being able to instantly teleport around the universe at any moment and telepathically communicate with everyone sure was something.
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I think it'll be a real challenge making the scenarios work in book #4 given the power levels now. Also apparently Janci is going to write a sequel series after it's done, which sounds good to me because I thought these novellas were just as good or better as the mainline books.


Also Sanderson has always been anime. Mistborn #1 starts as anime Star Wars, Stormlight is anime Marvel, etc...If you look at his top10 games lists, dude loves his Final Fantasy and Dark Souls and skews heavy on Japanese gaming tastes and lived in Korea for a bit in his younger years. But that's part of what appeals to me is the sci-fi/fantasy x anime leanings. He'd probably be the best author for adapting Xenogears tbh though Chu-Chu probably wouldn't get crucified.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2023, 03:41:58 AM
Got 31 books done this year. Probably the most I've ever read in a year thanks to a mix of audiobooks and print books. Will try to keep it up.
Been catching up on One Piece which is delaying me starting a new book. When you're 150 chapters behind, that takes a surprising amount of time.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2023, 03:44:10 AM
Haha, interesting enough at midnight Sanderson just released the ebook of the first of his four secret project kickstarter books to backers.

Probably going to wait until the physical print books come out. But will check out a few pages to see what the book is about.
First book is Cosmere (3 of the 4 secret books are Cosmere-connected, 1 is a standalone), title is

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Tress of the Emerald Sea
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on January 01, 2023, 04:49:58 AM
Here's my list for 2022.

1. The Truth
2. When We Were Very Young
3. De Geschiedenis van de Nederlandse Slavernij in een Notendop
4. Godenslaap
5. Maus I
6. Maus II
7. Waar was je nou
8. The Shadow of the Torturer
9. Locke and Key: Welcome to Lovecraft
10. Torenhoog en mijlen breed
11. Friday Black
12. Behold the Man
13. Love Ain't Nothing but Sex Misspelled
14. I Am Legend
15. El negro en ik
16. Paarden zijn ook varkens
17. Onze kinderen
18. The Giving Tree
19. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
20. The Temple of the Golden Pavilion
21. The Claw of the Conciliator
22. The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
23. In Cold Blood
24. Dante's Inferno
25. The Sun Also Rises
26. Blood Meridian, or the Evening Redness in the West
27. The Sailor Who Fell From Grace with the Sea
28. Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
29. Paravion
30. Feest van het begin
31. Chocky
32. The Three-Body Problem
33. The Fountains of Paradise
34. Flowers For Algernon
35. Slan
36. The World of Nul-A
37. Joe Speedboot
38. Sharp Ends
39. A Boy and His Dog
40. The Prose Edda
41. Ender's Game

Chocky was probably my favourite of the bunch. I always love when old sci-fi calls out problems they foresee and it's actual problems we're dealing with in the present.
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Post by: Potato on January 01, 2023, 06:39:54 AM
8. The Shadow of the Torturer.
Sooo good. I really need to get back to the rest of that series.
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Post by: archnemesis on January 01, 2023, 07:02:34 AM
Here's my list.

Feb 24 - Andy Weir - Artemis (2017)
Mar 3 - Martha Wells - All Systems Red (2017)
Mar 10 - Martha Wells - Artificial Condition (2018)
Mar 22 - Neal Stephenson - The Diamond Age: or A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer (1995)
Mar 24 - Martha Wells - Rogue Protocol (2018)
Apr 9 - Philip K. Dick - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968)
Apr 15 - Martha Wells - Exit Strategy (2018)
[dropped] Margaret Atwood - The Handmaid's Tale (1985) - Too close to the TV series.
Jun 14 - Adrian Tchaikovsky - Children of Time (2015)
Jun 15 - Adam Sharp - The Correct Order of Biscuits: And Other Meticulously Assembled Lists of Extremely Valuable Nonsense (2020)
Jul 9 -  Frederick Brooks - The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering (1975)
Jul 30 - Donald Robertson - How to Think Like a Roman Emperor: The Stoic Philosophy of Marcus Aurelius (2019)
Aug 23 - Neal Stephenson - Termination Shock (2021)
Aug 27 - Lee Child - The Sentinel (2020)
Sep 11 - Dmitry Glukhovsky- Metro 2033 (2002)
Sep 20 - Gunnar Wetterberg - Ingenjörerna (2020)
Oct 5 - Viktor E. Frankl - Man’s Search for Meaning (1946)
Nov 6 - Fria Ligan - Ur Varselklotet (2017)
Nov 15 - William Gibson - Virtual Light (1993)
Dec 9 - Martha Wells - Network Effect (2020)
Dec 11 - Martha Wells - Fugitive Telemetry (2021)
Dec 11 - Cal Newport - Deep Work (2016)

I also read ~200 children's books.
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Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2023, 08:27:33 PM
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Had to bump this up and get it out of the way because some fascist jerk placed a hold on it even though it was at the bottom of my pile. I can't recommend this at all, the guy spends too much time skipping over valid interpretations that could be evidence for his thesis to instead trying to force things to fit the most silly aspects of his theory and especially to have them fit backwards rather than have ideas build on previous ideas. He also does a lot of yadda yaddaing the actual criticism of various writers had towards each others work to instead talk about how they hung out at salons in pre-Revolutionary Paris. Also similarly to that origins of radical ideas book as things start becoming contemporary he stops citing the actual writings for other people writing about the people. He also puts footnotes at the end of paragraphs which like always leads to paragraphs with stuff you could grab off the Wikipedia entry getting ten or more citations including entire books (though other times he ignores this and has zero citations for biographical information) and then long paragraphs with multiple claims getting a single citation to a single page in a single book. (There's also an instance where he declares something "generally accepted as obvious" that doesn't seem that obvious to which he cites a few articles none of which are newer than 1977.) The last two things combine to have him claim it's "ironic" that Mises opposed collectivism but then had to flee the Nazis, to which he cites a page from some 2019 book that I can't possibly see as supporting that. Along similar lines he claims that Hayek and Friedman were Randian anarchists despite none of these three people being anarchists, Hayek and Friedman ignoring Rand and her considering them criminals not only for this (the ultimate crime to Rand) but also being moderates willing to compromise by supporting universal state programs. (The latter being a very key thing that the author ignores because it counters his claim, which for both is supported by a single citation to a single book by both men, that they believed the government could never intervene period.)

I suppose if you're one of those nuts who thinks all support for free markets is really an elaborate conspiracy theory dating back centuries or even millennia to keep the elites in power while the people clamor to be freed with eternal slave labor then you might learn something from this book such as how the conspiracy was founded by Cicero (while suggesting this is why Marc Antony had him killed) and advanced by the Catholic Church to trap people in Christianity into the more modern day where he alleges that "neo-Confederate segregationists" and evangelical Christians have anarchist roots* which is why they blindly support free market theories. (No, no citations for this.) His willful ignorance of the libertarian three is particularly vexing to me (not just because they're libertarians) because all three of them argued specifically against his very thesis but he uses them instead in support of it by pretending they said something else by avoiding citing their actual arguments, Hayek is an especially egregious case as he completely inverts Hayek's most influential arguments about information (while citing none of Hayek's works except The Road to Serfdom which he somehow claims ignores what happened in Germany (too much blind belief in free markets ever working rather than central state control says the author) despite being written about Germany to where he ignores an entire chapter of the book that talks about a specific thing he claims Hayek "chose to forget", he also doesn't seem to understand what syndicalism means in relation to fascism it's not unionized workers like in a free society) so Hayek fits the central theory of the book rather than disputes it. Strangely, he spends only a minor paragraph on Karl Marx (calling him merely a "critic of capitalism" and "historian" which underplays things a bit imo) which gets seven whole citations in it and nothing else on socialism/communism/etc. other than a mention that Communist China exists despite so many post-Marx pro-market works being counterarguments against him (and his followers and adjacent theories) and not arguments about free markets in a vacuum. Another of these books where the Wikipedia entries on a subject are actually more informative than the book that got published especially if you follow all the various links on those pages. (And that's with all the severe ills of Wikipedia.) He claims to be a professor of philosophy, history and accounting so I hope he's at least good at accounting. Also Wikipedia suspects he wrote his own entry and I'd probably agree as it has useless unsourced information on it these types of academics think mean something while the rest is copy-pasted, including entire paragraphs, from his faculty page he wrote. He sounds like the jerkstores all time best seller!

On the upside, it's a COVID-era book that I noticed no regular typos in. On the other hand as now seems mandatory he frets about social media in the conclusion and suggests the state needs to monopolize it to "properly" direct it which is a pretty funny way to end a book that purports to trace the history of the free market idea.

*Later he says: "TV evangelicals Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell joined the libertarian, far-right wing of the Republican Party ... while also issuing daily denunciations of rock music, homosexuals, abortion, civil rights, and pornography." Which, wat?
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Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2023, 12:34:43 AM
Think my top recently are Lesser Dead, Between Two Fires (both free on audible+ so maybe don't do credits), and We Are Legion.  Dresden is great, but only becomes so 2.5 books in.

Didn't listen to it, but hear the audio is great for Black Tongue Thief.

It felt like Dresden 1 was literally written for the fedora/neckbeard crowd, but after 2 books things get a bunch more interesting and less sexist, bullheaded, herbivore-macho.

Murderbot novellas are short and need to be read first.  They go on sale though.  Blood Meridian is amazing, I assume that the audio might make it significantly easier to read, since it was written without punctuation.

 :cry

whyyyy
McCarthy also used this method for THE ROAD, where it works to reinforce the sparcity of the language. I didn't feel as warmly about the conceit in Blood Meridian, and have not finished that book as a result.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2023, 01:36:01 AM
I finished The Road! I don't remember the no punctuation thing though.
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Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2023, 09:11:09 PM
Did you finish it as an audiobook or something?
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Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2023, 10:13:53 PM
Nah, was the first McCarthy book I read. Long time ago though, started tracking my reads in 2010 and it's before that.

Don't think I ever saw the movie adaptation of that one.
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Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2023, 01:49:35 AM
Yeah, I have not seen the movie yet either. It hasn't been on any Japanese streaming services. Book was great. Oddly hopeful, by the end.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on January 14, 2023, 08:46:21 AM
Started on Lord of the Rings last year. Finished The Fellowship and then put it away for a bit after I marathoned the movies. About 1/3 into The Two Towers now.

Always thought I'd like it less than The Hobbit turns out I like it more. Slower burn is fine as long as the writing is good.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2023, 09:04:52 PM
I'm having some trouble getting into Discworld #6 - The Wyrd Sisters. It's getting me a bit worried about whether I should have grabbed all the Discworld books haha

I really like the early books outside book #1. They're short and funny and very enjoyable. The first Granny Weathersax book Equal Rites was great!

But starting at Book #5 - Sorcery! which I didn't care for, the books are now 300-400 pages instead of 200 pages and are more like ...normal books with satire humor instead of constant gag silly books.

I've been trying to read Wyrd Sisters but I just can't read more than about 10-30 pages a time. I'm about 100 pages in out of 300 now, so 1/3rd through. I've got nothing against the Macbeth spoof and there's plenty of good humor throughout, but it's just the pacing is really, really slow. It feels like a normal non-gag novel and it's hard to get invested in it to keep reading. I actually feel like I was more into Sorcery! than this.

The best parts of the book are the short scenes with the Duke and the Duchess (and the Fool). But those tend to be short scenes with a lot of story between them. Equal Rites worked because both Granny and the kid were compelling lead characters. Here the Witches don't even feel like the main characters because the plot tends to move around between the cast. And the three witches are just ok. Weathersax is still good, the younger girl and her grimoires Margaret works well off her. I'm not really feeling Nancy Ogg and what her character in this trio is besides having a giant family and being a grandma kind of person.

Tbh, I'm bored, and time left in life is limited, and I'm on the fence with dropping this one and reading something I find more enjoyable than forcing myself to get through 20 pages a night for another 2-3 weeks until it's over. Also probably doesn't help I read physical books at night before I go to sleep when I'm at my most tired, so if the book isn't interesting/exciting/compelling I don't make it far each night before passing out.

I know Wyrd Sisters is generally a well-received book in the Discworld series which is why I'm questioning the franchise after Sorcery and this one. Maybe I only liked Discworld when it was short gag books and I don't like actual lengthy novels that focus on story instead of gags?
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Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2023, 09:07:31 PM
I'm also listening to The Sandman Act III audiobook and I'm somewhat bored there too. It's on volume 7: Brief Lives with Dream and Delirium going to look for their lost brother. It's a pretty boring arc so far. Just listen to it occasionally when driving, but been listening to music more often because this isn't grabbing me. The opening of Act III was the one-off issue about Orpheus's origin and that was good. Just not feeling the Brief Lives arc much.

So yeah, right now don't have any exciting books going on in my life. Waiting for Tress of the Emerald Sea physical book to arrive which I hope to enjoy quite a bit.
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Post by: Potato on January 16, 2023, 10:23:05 PM
If you're not feeling it, drop it and move on to Pyramids. That's a fun book.

Guards! Guards! is after that and it's really good.
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Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2023, 11:33:05 PM
If you're not feeling it, drop it and move on to Pyramids. That's a fun book.

Guards! Guards! is after that and it's really good.

I'll give it another couple of nights and see if it picks up. I'm generally adverse to dropping things. Can't remember the last book I straight up dropped. Probably that Mr. Norrell book because it was huge and kinda slow (but it was good).

I think the problem is that there's no real plot yet in Wyrd Sisters. Like they found the baby, gave him away, the duke is losing it, the Witches are hanging out and the Duke keeps trying to get them to no avail and...that's about it. I feel like at some point there will be more to the plot and the book will become more engaging. The opening with the death of the king, the king's ghost, the witches and the bandits was all really good, but it's just sorta drifted flat since then.

Next book I'm going to read is Abercrombie's Best Served Cold. In the mood for his style of entertaining writing.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 19, 2023, 03:38:08 PM
I listened to the Lincoln Lawyer as an enhanced version with ambient sound effects.  Instead of adding to the experience all it was loud porno music playing underneath the narration  :dead

Almost done with Mountain Man, which is a zombie story set in Nova Scotia.  It's pretty terrible. 
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Post by: Potato on January 20, 2023, 04:48:47 AM
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Just finished this one.

Cool Viking fantasy saga. Great world building and characters, but the pace of the story was very breakneck and it was somewhat hard to keep up with all the movement.

Will definitely read the next one though.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 23, 2023, 12:27:34 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/audible/comments/10itep6/audible_plus/

I've actually used Plus much more than I thought I would.  It's just a pain to find the good stuff. 
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Post by: Bebpo on January 25, 2023, 02:37:35 PM
I finished Discworld #6 - The Wyrd Sisters, it picked up about a hundred pages+ in.

It was good, but I didn't think it was a great one in the series so far. The opening is strong, the ending finale is great, but the middle of the book which is like 200 of the 290 pages is pretty plodding. The first 100 pages after the intro are basically just introducing the characters and setting the stage, then there's like 100 pages of plot happening and then the finale.

I don't think any of the characters were particularly developed. The book has a moderate sized cast. Having the three Witches as mains kind of underdevelops them all as they mostly just play off each other for gags. Margrat and Nanny Ogg are fairly one dimensional. I think the book suffers from not having a lead character. It's a total ensemble piece story.

There's some good bits, I especially liked

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Death coming on stage to perform the role of Death in the play finale and freezing up with stage fright lol

And the Duke character going more and more insane throughout the book was really enjoyable.
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Overall I didn't dislike it, and I'm glad I stuck with it, but it's just an okay book. Curious to watch the animated movie adaptation they did of it and see if I enjoy it more after that. I think Wyrd Sisters spends too much effort trying to be a parody of Shakespeare than being its own good story.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 25, 2023, 09:26:18 PM
2/3 of the way through Pet Semetary and it's been 10/10 all the way through so far.  Hope the ending holds.

edit:  book was so damn good
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Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2023, 12:27:59 AM
Ok, finished watching Wyrd Sisters adaptation

https://youtu.be/HGKP2vVwcDg

That was solid. It's weird in that it's less of an adaptation and more of just line for line the entire book ran at about 1.5x speed and missing a few of the narrator jokes. It works a bit better at that pace maybe, but also some of the funnier jokes don't get their time to land and breathe before the next line. The Duke's giggly voice is great.

Going back through it again, there's definitely a couple dozen funny bits in the book. It's not consistently hilarious but there's some funny stuff. I like the apple seller bit and the log directions bit. The thieves guild part was good too.

Overall it's a solid 3 out of 4.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 26, 2023, 10:32:24 AM
Just saw Audible + has a bunch of Anthony Everitt and Adrian Goldsworthy roman history books on there now.  The service is actually really good if you consider it as a freebie to the credits. 
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Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
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Despite discovering that its author is a bit of a real jerk I have to recommend the earlier above book on the Cultural Revolution before this one. That's not because this one is not good and maybe better but it's a more academic work and despite over a third of it being cut in translation it's still 600 pages and it's organized in a very strange way. The earlier book is much more chronological, this one jumps all over and refers to events that have not yet been described as if they already have been. The translators also screwed up by trying to replicate Chinese names "accurately" even though this renders things confusing in English. I know it's more accurate to call the dude Wang instead of whatever his "last name" is but when you've got three Wangs it's like talking about three John's and calling them all John, doesn't work! Another turn off might be that this focuses quite a lot on the upper echelons of The Party, that's important because those people were fucking nuts but lots of the intrigue and stuff can turn people off. Also, the guy quotes pretty liberally from speeches which if you don't already know this about communist countries they give like four hour long speeches constantly and hold meetings even more constantly where everyone gives long speeches. The hundred plus times he mentions someone giving self-criticism to some group and quotes parts of it it's the dude giving a multi-hour list of all the ways he sucks and since most of these were based on momentary disagreements with Mao I don't think you need to really quote from them that often. There is an unintentional aspect of humor to this as you read all the times Deng Xiaoping is made to do this as all the Mao toadies eagerly try to destroy him even though they all wound up in jail or dead and he temporarily dismantled the communist state. You also can't help that notice that like with Trump the people who were most lavishly devoted to Mao were treated the worst by him and the ones he found easiest to discard, while those who showed some signs of honesty he would be forced trust in the end, which is how Deng and others survived over the toadies. Personally, I quite liked this book more than the other but if you don't know anything about the Cultural Revolution and especially do not know the timeline this one will be harder than the earlier one. I knew a good chunk of stuff, had just read the earlier book and I was still fucking lost at times because of the way this is organized and written.

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Not what I expected from the cover but it's pretty great. The subtitle is pretty literal, it's actually about like psychology and stuff. Starting from Stalin being a complete paranoid to American arrogance over the collapse. From crazy assumptions about Russia from people who knew nothing about it but were declared experts through to Reagan and Gorby connecting on a personal level and thus being to understand "the other" in a way all the earliers did not. Dips into a whole bunch of different areas from internal politics to art to music. One part I liked was how the Soviet spies couldn't report accurately about the United States because they had to confirm the biases of their superiors first or they'd get sent home. One example was how they couldn't tell the Soviet leadership that no, stuff published in the New York Times or whatever is just some dude saying what he wants he's not being literally ordered by the President what to say and having his every word approved. The Soviets couldn't understand this since that was how they did it, why would the West not operate the same way? Conversely the West rarely understood the Soviet's paranoia that the United States was going to attack directly and bomb Moscow at any moment, we obviously didn't want to do that, that's something the Soviets would do so why would they believe we would, don't they understand that they're the evil ones? He touches on American self-doubt particularly in regards to the belief that Westerners would be converted easily to being communist agents while communists would be nothing but loyal but I think he missed arguably the bigger narrative here: both sides believed in the superiority of communism. America and the West feared if it stuck to the principles it claimed to be upholding the Soviets and other communists would naturally win, so liberal democratic principles had to be sacrificed and the West needed to copy the Soviet system to prevent this. (Something we have to do now or Russia will win again! Due process? Free speech? What are you some kind of Russian agent?!?) Even the common narrative that credits Reagan for ending the Cold War plays up the military buildup and "toughness" as if there was brilliant outmaneuvering of the Soviets that did it and not that their system was completely collapsing and that being friendly to Gorby allowed him to unintentionally drive the knife in. (Something the book notes that Bush immediately squandered by buying the false narrative and going with "we won, you lost, get over it" instead of Reagan's more human approach.) The Putin epilogue was kinda stretching the narrative a bit I thought but it's obvious why you'd have to include it and it's not like there's not obvious connections there just I thought he was dragging out the Cold War connections a bit too much while ignoring some of the longer term Russian cultural psychology aspects he noted that Cold Warriors had ignored. (Fell into his own trap you could say!)

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That's three great ones in a row, pretty rare even if mildly coincidental! Like the prior one I was somewhat disappointed in this not being what I thought it was going to be. I thought it'd be much more of a history but that's only the first third, it's really more of an examination of the entire idea of interest. Most of the book is focused on what's happened since 2008. The narrative is the same ol thing, the hubris of self-declared intellectuals who think they will succeed where all other central planners fail because they are omniscient and know the single variable that controls all of life. But alas, central planning fails yet again and causes all the problems the experts say it will wipe out. But don't worry the central planners have the solution, the problem is reality's refusal to conform to their simplistic single variable models, if we just nudge reality into conforming to the models then the models will work. You say it's been falsified but you're missing the bigger picture, the models can't fail, only reality can fail the models. Consequences? For the 99%? Who cares, what's important is testing the models and besides if the models work there won't be any bad consequences since the models don't allow for any. Anyway, The Ben Bernank is an idiot but we already knew this. China's run by idiots too, but we knew this. Macroeconomics is a field of idiots who have never accurately predicted anything even though people keep giving them more power after they constantly fail, but we knew this. The last third of the book is pretty doomer since it goes through how many of these idiots are in ever increasing power with their failed theories they openly say they'd rather impoverish everyone with than acknowledge something might be wrong with their models or god forbid their premises. Sure, a forthcoming guaranteed global economic collapse based on the very things that caused the last one but amped up to eleven is terrifying but that's not the worst part of the book, the worst part is that the author says the N in the FAANG companies is Netscape.
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Post by: Bebpo on February 01, 2023, 09:33:58 PM
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Finished reading Legends of Localization Book 1: Zelda 1 - Pretty interesting and entertaining read about the differences between the Japanese release of Zelda 1 and the USA release. Felt less like a book and more like taking a community college course. As someone fluent in Japanese with some translation experience, it was interesting seeing all the dialogue and text lines from the Japanese version and Mandelin's breakdowns of why he would translate each bit a certain way vs trying to figure out why the translators at the time in 1986 translated it the way they did.

Someday I wouldn't mind reading his Book 2 - Earthbound and Book 3 - Undertale, because the book was interesting. But eh, I prefer my books to be more fun entertainment and less school haha, so probably not anytime soon.

Also probably one of the most interesting parts of this book experience was realizing that even though I owned Zelda 1 with the gold cart as a kid and have lot of memories of playing it. I'm pretty sure the game was way too hardcore obtuse for me and I don't think I ever beat it or got to the last few dungeons. None of the hints from the later dungeons stuff rang a familiar bell and I actually had no idea Zelda 1 had its own 2nd Master Quest. It's pretty crazy how much depth there was packed into the world and its exploration for the timeframe and type of games coming out and made by a team of like 7 people. Now I'm half interested in sitting down and playing through Zelda 1 on an emulator one of these days.

I remember having Zelda II but not liking it or getting too far in it, so I'm pretty sure that Link to the Past on SNES was the first one I actually beat as a kid.

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I started reading Wheel of Time #2 - The Great Hunt and I realized I don't remember much of Book #1 which I read maybe last year or the year prior. Given that this is a series with a lot of characters and lore I feel like this is going to be a recurring thing each book if I take a break and read other stuff between each one. I'm a few chapters in now and I vaguely remember the general skeleton of the plot of Book #1 and how it ended, but now that I finished the Zelda book and am going to focus on this, I think I need to read a wikipedia summary of book #1.

Even though I saw TV S1 and reading Book #1 that's how little of an impression it left on me  :lol  But I have been hankering to return to the world of it and see what happens next. I still may bail on the series though, but will give it at least another book or two to see if I get into it.
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Post by: Potato on February 02, 2023, 12:13:29 AM
Wheel of Time is both best and worst experienced as a whole block
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Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2023, 01:05:36 AM
Wheel of Time is both best and worst experienced as a whole block

Well, that ain't happening. Life's too short to devote a couple years of reading solely to one series.

Will read a book here and there. I mean when they were being released that's how people read it since I assume the books did not come out on a weekly basis :P
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Post by: Potato on February 02, 2023, 02:08:34 AM
Wheel of Time people can be really weird (like most extreme fans I guess) and would subject themselves to re-reads prior to the release of every book.

Just read a plot summary specific to where you're up to like a normal person. There are plenty out there.
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Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2023, 02:47:00 AM
To be fair, I may do a re-read of Stormlight Archives 1-4 before book 5 comes out since it's the conclusion to that arc.
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Post by: Bebpo on February 03, 2023, 08:04:59 PM
The start of Book #2 is really slow. 100 pages in, 1/7th the book through and literally it's still just the opening scene in Fal Dara with the Tar Valon people visiting and Rand running around.

Like it's fine, but I can see why this series is so many books.


Also finished The Sandman Act III audiobook and it was great overall. Started on Blood Meridian and seems well written so far.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on February 04, 2023, 05:57:39 AM
Re-reading some Harry Potter. Only read the dutch translations as a kid. Pieced together a Bloombury set from fleamarkets over the years.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 04, 2023, 09:00:59 AM
Falling Free by Lois McMaster Bujold.  It was good, it reminded me of the ape revolution parts of planet of the apes.  I liked one person doing the obvious moral thing even if it means risking their career story and some of the space corporation stuff.  It is a bit dated though.  There are some weird consent things that are hinted at but then disregarded as boys-being-boys, and when it does critic gender, it does that late 80's early 90's thing where it, seems progressive by critiquing works from the 60's but then it feels really dated because it uses phrases like 'women's work'.   

It's the first part of the Vorkosigan Saga, which people seem to love.  On to Shards of Honor. 
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Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2023, 11:37:16 PM
So I was thinking about Wheel of Time and like if the series is kind of mundane for a lot of it (especially in the middle) because that's just how Robert Jordan writes, but then the last 3 books are a good finale to it because that's how Brandon Sanderon writes...

If I'm not hugely sold over by the time I finish book #2, how blasphemous would it be to just read book summaries for books #3-11 or whatever and then just read the 3 final books Sanderson wrote? Seems like it could be an efficient time-saver for casual fantasy readers as a way to read it if you don't mind all the little details being lost across the way.

Because it's not the story that I'm against with WoT, but Jordan's writing style just feels fairly bland to my tastes. Also overly descriptive.
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Post by: Potato on February 05, 2023, 04:38:42 AM
If you're not sold by the end of #3, just read summaries.

My (vague) recollection is that is where the series really takes off until it bogs down again in "the slog™", which is #7-10.

The Sanderson books are great because they are the payoff of such a long series with characters who you have been with for months/years/decades. Not sure they would have the same effect if you skip almost all of the books.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 05, 2023, 12:10:09 PM
#3 is weird in terms of the other WoT books because of Rand is portrayed and, if I recall, lacks a POV.  I kind of wish the series kept with how #3 was going in terms of his character.  Honestly if you don't like it by 3, I'd just stop reading them and don't even do summaries or skip to the end.  I think a lot of the popularity of WoT is 1) it was novel for the time 2) it is novel if it's your first epic fantasy series, but other than that, it is just pretty mediocre.  I got up to 8, and will finish this year.  I have already forgot like half the characters though.       


Nearly done with Shards of Honor.  It is a strange book.  Part of that is because it's a 80's romance space opera and that is not what I read.  I've heard that the premise of the book was what if a Federation woman fell in love with a Klingon man (and remember this was before TNG's Klingons).  The other part is that tonally it's like a fun romp but then has things like the war ends and the 'Federation' side sends all the rape-babies back to the 'Klingon' side in artificial womb pods and this is done by courier with a note that basically says 'you deal with them'.  Like a real WTF from modern sensibilities.   

When the Hugo's started doing a Best Series award in 2017, this series won the first one.     
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Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2023, 12:28:26 PM
Does Rand ever stop sucking?

He's still the most obnoxious dumbass lead I can think of at this point in book #2 Motherfucker just whines and whines and whines.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 05, 2023, 12:41:43 PM
No, and all the characters suck to various degrees.  WoT is very CW teen drama most of the time. 
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Post by: Bebpo on February 05, 2023, 03:13:02 PM
 :(

I honestly don't mind the other characters. It's just Rand and his victim complex and gotta be a total asshole to everyone and not trust anyone personality that is really grating.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 05, 2023, 07:39:50 PM
Barrayar:  'He's bisexual you know.'  'Was bisexual.  Now he's monogamous.'  :dead
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 05, 2023, 08:12:40 PM
:(

I honestly don't mind the other characters. It's just Rand and his victim complex and gotta be a total asshole to everyone and not trust anyone personality that is really grating.
He's a teenager/early 20s. They're all like that in real life too.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 11, 2023, 02:40:25 PM
I'm pretty sure even if WoT #2 ends up being any good I'm out on the series after this and will just watch the crappy TV version.

These books are just incredibly slow. Slower than anything else I've ever read and they're fucking long. At the rate I'm making it through book #2, it's the only thing I'll be reading for the next 2 months. And life's short and I've got other shit to read. I'm reading the big style paperback version which is about 700 large pages and I get through maybe 20-25 pages a night in an hour.

I don't remember book #1 being this slow though, so maybe it's just this book. Took them forever just to leave the starting city.

I'm also listening to Blood Meridian when driving in like 20 min sessions. It sorta works because the chapters are really self-contained little stories and aren't super lengthy. But not sure if I'm enjoying the book so far. It's well written but it reminds me of like grimdark anime where everything is just death. Hard to feel any sort of investment so far. I definitely wouldn't call it a "fun" audiobook. But it's interesting enough.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2023, 06:23:25 PM
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Kinda rushes through to the Google purchase and then it's just about how everyone hates YouTube. Governments hate YouTube, media companies hate YouTube, advertisers hate YouTube, creators hate YouTube, Google hates YouTube, tech companies hate YouTube, people who spend all day watching YouTube hate YouTube, etc. The book also seems like you should know who the YouTubers he's talking about are. Natalie Wynn turns up a bunch, but only in the Epilogue does he tell you this person is better known as Contrapoints. Another person he treats as some kind of central YouTube culture figure is so obscure they aren't on the first page of Google results when you search for them and their Kiwi Farms thread turns up before they actually do, their views counts are in the hundreds usually. Other times he avoids this, whenever he mentions Carl Benjamin, for example, he adds that he's known as Sargon of Akkad. The sourcing is also bad, both in terms of citation numbers not leading to a relevant citation in the footnote and also in using delusional conspiracy theorists like Aja Romano as sources. He also uses a lot of quotes from YouTubers (such as those mentioned above) but a lot of times they aren't sourced to anything and he doesn't say he did interviews, so like is he quoting their videos or something? I seriously couldn't tell and it was a little odd because he uses these as sources as to what was "happening on YouTube" when they're just like random people who post videos in the first place. Also, if you're looking for any kind of computer tech like details I can sum those up for you: YouTube works by using a lot of the internet.

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This is pretty short and was amusing enough. It's not really revisionist history but he notes he didn't want to do the standard thing of just demonizing Gould and instead points to how a lot of that criticism came from his rivals who were ethically no different but were just worse at playing the game than he was. That's mostly the point, how you could love him or hate him but he wasn't uniquely evil, just better. The LeBron or Jordan of railroad barons. My one objection was to part of the conclusion, but it was just one paragraph, where he seems to suggest laws are what stop modern Goulds. But I don't think Gould's tactics of stuff like sending his buddy in to the market "floor" (really a not very large room at the time) wearing an expensive outfit with a bunch of diamonds and saying he thinks a price will shoot to $200 would be too successful in driving a frenzy these days.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on February 11, 2023, 10:11:58 PM
I'm interested in an early/midlife history of YouTube but definitely not anything that includes YouTubers.

Also the YouTube hate started early and strong with the whole SNL/Viacom dustup that turned into a half-decade long legal battle for literally no reason (they settled).

It's thanks to Viacom we have ContentID. Yay.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2023, 10:54:14 PM
Yeah, the book talks a bit about the Viacom stuff. Most of the focus is on how YouTube makes money off ads and so do YouTubers and how this constantly changes, PewDiePie is one of the main characters of the book. I have to admit that some of the more interesting chapters actually were ones heavy on YouTubers complaining about the "algorithim", not because of them but because of what they were complaining about, like how channels would appear that would just be a pair of voiceless hands unboxing toys and it would do better than their hard work "educational" channels. Also I had seen people refer to "Elsagate" before but I had no idea it was about sketchy YouTube videos of people dressed as Spider-Man and Elsa from Frozen just doing random often creepy shit. Apparently these were destroying good wholesome channels from proper YouTubers in views.

Oh, I forgot, when I finished this the latest review on Goodreads was from a guy who does great reviews about how every book he reads is left wing propaganda:
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Yet another left-wing piece of propaganda masquerading as a technology book, written by a left-wing nut who should just leave out the technology parts, and just write left-wing praise books for a living.

The only reason why I gave it two stars is because the book took me down memory lane, so it prayed on my nostalgia. Plus the author inadvertently pointed out that Susan Wojcicki only got the top job at YouTube because she was close friends with Larry Page and Sergey Brin, and let them use her garage to start Google.

Susan is just like every other entitled woman, who thinks they should be paid as much as a man who works 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, meanwhile Susan was nothing but a baby factory the entire time, taking years in accumulative maternity leave, and offering no real substantial improvements to YouTube, leaving early every day to spend time with her minions... pathetic.

Hell, the author even had to sneak in a very short chapter just to make his case on why the United States's Second Amendment is wrong and evil. All of the liberal tropes are touched on in this garbage pile of wasted paper, and the author doesn't even try to hide any of his left-wing ideology.

I thought it was going to be a good book, and had high-hopes that the author would make a few liberal points and move on... but I was wrong.
That chapter was just about the shooting at YouTube, there was like maybe a sentence handwringing about it being too easy to get a gun in the US. :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Tasty on February 11, 2023, 11:29:07 PM
Conservatives are the real snowflakes, news at 11.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2023, 07:10:16 PM
I think for Blood Meridian I'm going to switch over to the Paperback.  The writing is so succinct that listening to the audiobook while driving, if I tune out for a second, I completely miss stuff. I've been reading the cliff notes

https://www.litcharts.com/lit/blood-meridian/chapter-1

As I go to re-confirm my understanding of each chapter as I finish it, and I keep noticing how much I'm missing. Like I thought Glanton and The Judge were the same person this whole time.

I think reading it on page will be a lot easier for keeping track of all the characters and details. I've gotten the general gists of all the scenes so far (at chapter 8 ), but just been missing small details. This is the reason why I'm not going to audiobook stuff like Wheel of Time or more dense fantasy series where there's a lot of detail. For me, audiobooks work a lot better for lighter YA type stuff you don't need 99% full attention to every line to enjoy the whole thing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 15, 2023, 07:39:34 PM
I'm listening to No Country For Old Men right now and it's been a similar experience -- had to stop listening while walking and only when I'm at home when I can focus on it.

I think WoT audio books is the only reason I got so far though.  McCarthy's writing is so terse if you miss the wrong sentence you get lost, whereas WoT you can zone out for half a chapter and still be in the same place.  I tried listening to Malazan once, that was a mistake -- I might be able to do it on a 2nd or 3rd reread now though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2023, 08:20:34 PM
I'm listening to No Country For Old Men right now and it's been a similar experience -- had to stop listening while walking and only when I'm at home when I can focus on it.

I think WoT audio books is the only reason I got so far though.  McCarthy's writing is so terse if you miss the wrong sentence you get lost, whereas WoT you can zone out for half a chapter and still be in the same place.  I tried listening to Malazan once, that was a mistake -- I might be able to do it on a 2nd or 3rd reread now though.

Ok, yeah, maybe WoT is a bad example given how little can happen over several pages.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 16, 2023, 02:40:13 AM
I am generally that way with anyone who is talented with language. I love re-reading Gibson's sentences in his Sprawl sequence. I can't imagine listening to a Gene Wolfe novel, esp. Urth of the New Sun. Such dense language.

And that was before the pandemic, when reading was easy for me.

In contrast, I'm reading The Mysterious Benedict Society, a charming bit of YA fiction in the vein of Lemony Snicket. With enough practice at focus, hopefully I'll return to more challenging fare soon.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 16, 2023, 02:48:59 AM
Conservatives are the real snowflakes, news at 11.

Deny, deflect, project. It's the majority of their playbook.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 16, 2023, 10:08:06 AM
Started Brown Girl in the Ring -- which is a 90's cyberpunk* book set in Toronto where Toronto has been blockaded a la Escape from Newyork.  It's been pretty cool so far, mostly because it is literally set 2 blocks from my house and they keep referencing streets I walk past every day.  Also, the plot revolves around the Premier of Ontario doing a deal with a Toronto gang to secure a heart transplant from someone in the slums because they don't want to use a pigs heart lol

* also listed as Science fiction, horror, urban fantasy, magical realism, and/or Afro-futurism according to Wikipedia. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 17, 2023, 02:34:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgsOapLWX8

the explanation of why skyward 2 and 3 kind of suck, especially in combination, confirmed my thoughts on the books
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 17, 2023, 02:51:06 PM
I enjoyed my time with the Mistborn trilogy, but reading Elantris actually killed any desire to read more of his stuff.

He also seems like a giant douche.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 17, 2023, 03:30:56 PM
I find his stuff enjoyable but generally middle-tier.  I have watched his writing lecture, seen his reddit posts, and some of his other online stuff and he is very much the opposite of a douce.  What gave you that impression?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2023, 03:47:23 PM
I enjoyed my time with the Mistborn trilogy, but reading Elantris actually killed any desire to read more of his stuff.

Elantris, being his first published novel, is just alright. Same with Mistborn trilogy being his next books. He improved A TON as a writer post-Mistborn up until about 4 years ago when he's started to go downhill in quality (probably because he's juggling too much at once, or doesn't get edited as much idk).

I tell people who are willing to give Sanderson a shot to read two things and then decide whether they are in or out of the Cosmere storyline:

-The Emperor's Soul novella - short and great
-Warbreaker - standalone novel and a lot of fun (and also pretty interesting magic system)

If someone likes those two, then I typically say to just start with Elantris and read forward in release order.

Right now I think Sanderson peaked in 2016/2017 with Wax & Wayne #3 and Stormlight #3 back to back. Both fantastic books doing very different things. Hell I'll even include Skyward #1 (2018) in that group when he was riding high. Skyward #1 is YA sci-fi but a lot of fun in an anime way.

But then after writing hit after hit after hit the last few years have been:

2019 - Skyward 2 - Alright-ish.
2020 - Stormlight #4 - Alright-ish but needed more editing and worst book in the series.
2021 - Skyward 3 - Apparently people really dislike this like Madrun. I haven't read it yet.
2022 - Wax & Wayne #4 - Alright-ish but kind of a weaker let down finale to the series and worst maybe book in the series.

Going from his best years to a bunch of alright-ish/weak stuff year after year is pretty concerning. 2019 is around when his popularity blew up and he started hosting his own convention and doing a million things and being involved in film/tv adaptation work, etc...

The big concern about his writing quality lately is that 2024 is Stormlight #5 which is the big FINALE to 5,000 page+ epic journey. Everyone wants it to be awesome like book #2/#3, but if it's more like book #4 in quality...gonna really be a bummer for the series. He needs to get his writing quality back to where it used to be.

2023 is also Skyward #4 which is the finale to that series and I think people won't be happy if it's the quality of Skyward #2/#3.

That being said he also wrote 4 standalone novels which are releasing this year, with the first one being out, and it'll be interesting to see how the quality of them compare.

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He also seems like a giant douche.

Though this I can't agree with. Dude's always come across as pretty humble and probably the most open minded Mormon I've seen as a celebrity figurehead. He believes in his god and all the mormon stuff but he'll write anti-religion god-killing LGBT stuff so I appreciate that he keeps his personal beliefs separate from his fiction storywriting. It's like I have a friend whose basically a pastor and he loves Shin Megami Tensei about hanging with Lucifer and killing god. Some people can separate fiction storytelling from their personal beliefs and Sanderson comes across as that.

Also he's a huge weaboo gamer nerd in his 40s and his tastes line up a lot with mine. Dude loves FFX, Bloodborne, etc... and all of that shows in his writing which has a weaboo anime/game feel. Like Xenogears is my favorite game of all time and I love that religious imagery x mecha x anime x millenia spanning story stuff and Cosmere is...pretty damn close to that, so it hits all the right buttons for me.

Finally I like Sanderson because I think he's a very good humor writer. Some of his books and characters are very funny to me, which makes them entertaining reads when they keep me laughing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 17, 2023, 04:51:05 PM
This was a good thread on the LGBT stuff in his personal life and the kind of response you'd want from someone who once help poor beliefs  https://www.reddit.com/r/brandonsanderson/comments/10h78nt/we_lgbt_fans_are_exhausted/
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on February 17, 2023, 04:57:34 PM
I think maybe my opinion of him has been tainted by the fandom. The Emperor's Soul was ok. Elantris was boring. Haven't read Warbreaker. Maybe I should give that a go before I decide whether or not to continue with his stuff.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on February 17, 2023, 05:37:14 PM
I don’t like him because he approaches magic like an engineer. He was salty that Gandalf doesn’t follow any rules in his spells or magic use. For me that just means he misses the point of Gandalf’s role in LOTR, which leads me to believe he’s not an insightful author.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2023, 05:45:24 PM
I think maybe my opinion of him has been tainted by the fandom. The Emperor's Soul was ok. Elantris was boring. Haven't read Warbreaker. Maybe I should give that a go before I decide whether or not to continue with his stuff.

Yeah, fandom's are like that. I really don't pay any attention to the fandom (mostly because wanting to avoid spoilers). If you don't like Warbreaker (and Nightblood in particular) then Stormlight's probably not worth it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 17, 2023, 06:22:01 PM
In his lectures, at least for the year that I watched, he wasn't so much salty about Gandalf, rather he just dislikes that kind of system.  Though to me it was clear that this was a preference and not a misunderstanding of how Gandalf worked in the story and he could describe trade-offs between the systems.  I certainly recall him discussing why Gandolf arriving at Helm's deep to save the day worked, but Aragorn's magic ghosts did not.  I prefer soft systems, but in defense of hard systems, what Sanderson mainly does is just a major trope in scifi stories where the protagonist is a competent engineer who solves the problem via their knowledge or expertise (often with some delayed catalyst).  The hard systems he uses lets him transplant that trope into a fantasy setting and so most of the major obstacles get magicked away, but in a way that still feels satisfying because the solution logically follows from the rules set out.   This is also why the first mistborn worked so well because this got mixed in with a heist story, which generally relies on hyper-competent protagonists anyways.

He certainly isn't right about everything, like, I have seen what I think is a wildly wrong definition of grim-dark from him, but in general, he knows his craft really well, at least to teach it, even if I think he might struggle to actually execute it well himself.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on February 17, 2023, 10:49:21 PM
Sanderson-aside, I was surprised when Wheel of Time #2 actually starting getting good and hard to put down when things are actually moving on the hunt for the horn.

It's like when stuff is actually moving on an adventure Wheel of Time is at least entertaining fantasy, but when things aren't moving and more than 20 pages are spent with characters just talking to each other in one place, it's boring af fantasy.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2023, 10:49:33 PM
but in general, he knows his craft really well, at least to teach it, even if I think he might struggle to actually execute it well himself.
"Those who can't, teach." :rollsafe
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: NekoFever on February 18, 2023, 04:08:09 AM
I don’t like him because he approaches magic like an engineer. He was salty that Gandalf doesn’t follow any rules in his spells or magic use. For me that just means he misses the point of Gandalf’s role in LOTR, which leads me to believe he’s not an insightful author.

Me when I see the phrase ‘magic system’:

 :boring

Sanderson’s books can be entertaining enough but it’s generally paper thin stuff. He’s a YA-level writer who’s avoided that particular pigeonhole.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2023, 11:38:58 AM
Uzumaki was so good.  Brown Girl in the Ring was better than it's rather silly premise.  Also the big-bad lives in the CN Tower :dead
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2023, 07:46:30 PM
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I've been aware of this book but I never really looked into it because I thought it was just a complaint about the wokes (or social studies warriors or whatever else you want to call them, I'll stick with wokes for being short) in power in universities but I'm glad I gave it a chance. Yes, it is about those but that's really more the framing and those are just examples for a larger point about one's personal mentality and psychology. (For just the complaint part see James Lindsay's increasingly unhinged works.) Despite what the one-star reviews on Goodreads (yes, I broke the rules and looked) contend the book is not at all a screed that "women who have been raped need to shut up" nor that "Trump is great because he'll get rid of the people of color on campus" and is definitely not an explanation that "social injustice can be ended by listening to men and getting therapy" to where I have to wonder if the reviewers can't read, missed the point entirely or think metaphors and analogies are literal factual statements about reality. If there's really a complaint to be leveled it's that it not just tries to hammer the point into your head but then it tries to drill it all the way through your skull and you could get sloshed from just a single choice of a drinking word. (Definitely don't pick safety and any variation of it.) The main point is pretty simple and hard to argue against (which I assume is why none of those one-star reviews did except the ones attacking the book from the "right" for not exposing wokeism as a Marxist plot by the gays who stole our marriages) the same harmful mentality seen in anxiety/depression is being deliberately established within a certain culture and thus the same corrective thinking in CBT can resolve the issues rather than continuing and encouraging an endless one-way spiral away from addressing issues for paranoia, delusions and eventually violence. While they are slightly critical of some minor ideological aspects of wokeism (although with neither's field being in philosophy, or worse the fake field of poli sci, they seem to miss the aspect of the ideology that promotes the binary thinking) their point is not at all to contend with the goals of wokeism (well, most of them, they digress into unrelated treatment of college athletics by sex for some reason) but rather the means employed towards those goals. Never do they argue that wokeism is a mental illness (for a contrary view see this (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25082.Liberalism_is_a_Mental_Disorder)), they instead argue that a certain form of thinking shares known traits with mental illnesses and so theorize that methods against those can work for methods against what appears to be the same type of mentality. My secondary complaint would be that the book kinda gets boring because of the above mentioned style, I figured out where they were going with things in the introduction (perhaps due to my familiarity with mental illness) and the other chapters confirmed that before they got into stuff that's less clear, less relevant, was heavily sourced on "solutions" by their personal friends and then kept repeating themselves and what the obvious conclusions are. I blame this on my negative mentality that lead me to read the Goodreads one-stars for additional engagement, I blame myself for not relying on CBT methods to stop myself.

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Putting these together because they are somewhat similar, albeit opposite in both quality and the actual subject*. Basically Wall Street is all like "you're dumb and lame and you dress poorly" and then guy makes a billion dollars and the first guy gets fired and probably is homeless now. It's slightly more complex but both have a similar theme of academics realizing something and deciding the institutions are overlooking a way to make a bunch of money and the big funds or banks or whatever going "lol go ahead nerd" until the nerd buys their corpse down the road. The first book is not that great because for one thing, nobody would talk to him about any of it, but for some reason he continued on to write the book anyway. Also Jim Simons isn't really the guy who did it, he's just the organizer and guy who saw it through. Second one is better because it more freely uses a cast of characters who were also sources for the book. While I'm not entirely complaining because the first book drifts into politics, Bob Mercer (Steve Bannon ties) is a major person in the story and it's fine to get into that but it spends like three chapters on Trump getting elected to which Mercer personally didn't really have anything to do with it other than Bannon worked for something he owned that his daughter ran. The latter thing is kinda important because it's his daughter, not him, who's into all that shit while Mercer sounds more like an autistic Ron Swanson than a MAGA guy. (I have no idea if this is true but it's how the book portrays him going back decades.) The other book also gets into politics with BlackRock and ESG's but doesn't make it a whole thing, just talks about it and how some people like it and some people don't in the context of how index funds now have a lot of power to where they can actually make those kinds of decisions, in the same chapter it also discusses how customers have asked for index funds with no gun companies or no tobacco companies and so on. So it's not irrelevant drama for drama's sake about Trump or anything. I liked the second book more because it was a bunch of guys doing different stuff around the same time based around the same simple idea and mostly all succeeding, the first book is basically Jim Simons and some dudes did some math on a computer and made money because math is magic. And by "some dudes" more just people later because everyone else quit before they started making money because Simons wasn't listening to them. Lastly, the first book has a big appendix showing the profits and stuff for the fund, but in the text all the numbers for years are different, feel like this is something someone should have caught. :lol

*Renaissance's system (though the author didn't seem to personally understand this even though told him exactly what it does he continues to insist throughout the book that it's a secret) is making a bunch of tiny trades to exploit momentary price differences from an expected baseline to where it sometimes doesn't even hold equities for an entire hour before selling them back off, index funds are about trying to buy a diversified portfolio that reflects the market broadly and sitting on it because number go up.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 07, 2023, 02:13:35 AM
Getting closer to finishing Wheel of Time #2, I kind of feel like Loial, Perrin and Morraine are the only decent characters in this book and they're all mostly side characters without a lot of lines. Loial gets the most screen time of them.

Mat and Rand suck. The TV show did a good job with their casting, because they were dumb (Rand) and annoying (Mat) teens in the show and they're exactly that in the books too.

It's also pretty weird how in book 2 it's like almost entirely just Rand's PoV chapters and everyone else maybe gets a chapter or two. Odd for an ensemble story. I swear the first book had like 3 major PoVs that it would swap between. I remember Perrin getting a lot more development in book #1.

The Selene stuff is so awful.

Even the Gleeman sucks in this series as the cool sexy & smart older mentor character. Not really feeling the Seanchan stuff either.

I know Madrun called Wheel of Time CW Fantasy, but feels more like Game of Thrones written at the level of Twilight to me. It's entertaining-ish though. I'll give it that. The back half of book 2 moves pretty decently as opposed to the front half which is so.freaking.boring.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 07, 2023, 11:15:20 AM
The CW stuff starts more after book 4 when everyone just starts lying and being general assholes to each other to create drama.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 07, 2023, 01:38:13 PM
The CW stuff starts more after book 4 when everyone just starts lying and being general assholes to each other to create drama.

Oh boy, that sure sounds fun /sarcasm

So are like the first three books supposed to be a single arc? You mentioned book 3 being the point to get to for deciding whether to jump ship. I'm not really inclined to read book 3, but morbidly curious to read it in a year or so when I'm in the mood.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 07, 2023, 03:30:58 PM
Book 3 is weird because of Rand (he is not the main POV if I recall).  Book 4 is great, but then it starts nose-diving.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 12, 2023, 01:21:47 AM
Ok finishing Wheel of Time #2 and there's so much nonsense:

Rand, who just started learning the sword, and only has gotten by with his magic sword cheat powers, gets in a fight with an actual skilled heron sword blademaster and Rand can't use his cheat magic and he...just gets lucky and wins? da fuck

Nynaeve can magic pop the damane collars off? If it was that easy wouldn't the Aes Sedai have been doing that and stopped the Seanchan in the first place?

Also wtf at Morraine being written out of the whole book. She has like one scene in Fal Dara at the start, and then one chapter in the middle at a village with Lan and that's it. Maybe she'll show up in the ending or something, but she was kind of a major character for all of book 1, so it's weird she gets dropped in book 2.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 12, 2023, 03:28:25 AM
Done!

Ok, the ending was kind of interesting. Feels like all the nonsense of book 1&2 was just a prologue of Rand running and denying everything over and over and over and that potentially book 3 actually starts the story?

Hmmm...this book was readable even if it was overly long and not great. I'll pick up book #3 and maybe someday give it a chance.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on March 12, 2023, 04:23:01 AM
I think I said it before, get to the end of #3 and then decide. My memory is that all the prices are finally in place and it comes together nicely.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 12, 2023, 11:01:20 PM
So last night I went to buy the paperback of book #3 on Amazon and it was $26 while book #4 was like $14, so I went to the local bookstore and picked up book #3 for like $24 or something and then I get home and book #3 on Amazon is now $14.99 fuck. I'm not going to be a dick and return the book, gotta support local bookstores, but still...

Which leads me to my comment that when I was growing up I never knew what we call the modern paperback existed  :o
Like there was just the hardcover big book and the paperback small book.

Now that in my adulthood I've discovered the non-mass-market-paperback, the full-sized paperback is my favorite way to read books. I really don't enjoy hardcovers. They're too big and heavy and it's a pain to hold them in bed and read them and the slip covers are stupid and I end up taking them off and throwing them in a closet day 1. Mass market paperbacks are pretty whatever too with their tiny print.

But the full size paperbacks feel good, nice and big and easy to read, nice covers usually, feel a bit classy and don't have the weight or the nasty smell of hardcovers. The only downside is they're pricey if you don't get them on sale, like these Wheel of Time paperbacks from 2012 reprint are like $24.99 which is basically hardcover pricing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 13, 2023, 11:10:42 PM
Also with Wheel of Time #2 I just remembered that weeks and weeks ago when I started this book, the prologue chapter is a point of view of some guy named bor or bog or some name at a masked party of DARKFRIENDS and then the badguy presenter at the party is like "go hunt these three (Rand/Mat/Perrin)" and he goes off to find them.

But like in the next 700 pages or whatever that follows...I don't think this guy ever showed up in the actual book? That seems like bad writing?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 14, 2023, 10:15:37 PM
Project Hail Mary was great
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2023, 10:27:26 PM
I started reading Skyward #3 - Cytonic - It's entertaining but not the kind of story I thought it was going to be. I was expecting like a serious introspective void solo adventure with Spensa and Sovereigns, not just another goofy multi-species rodeo adventure with dinosaurs and pirates and jungles which was basically book #2 Starsight. Just feels too much of a repeat of that book so far. Spensa being an entertaining lead and M-bot being a goofy sidekick goes a long way towards making it still enjoyable to read tho.

Project Hail Mary was great

Yeah, I've heard nothing but good things about this and I liked The Martian. I'll probably get to reading it this year.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: archnemesis on March 15, 2023, 02:02:31 AM
Artemis was okay. I liked The Martian much more. I was planning to read Project Hail Mary soon.

I'm reading Hyperion by Dan Simmons. It's fantastic so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on March 15, 2023, 02:18:08 AM
Oh man, I love Hyperion. I think I have said that in this thread at least three times already, but it is just that good.

A colleague at work just read it too. Had loads of fun discussing it with her.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: NekoFever on March 15, 2023, 02:48:36 AM
Project Hail Mary was great

I finished that yesterday. It was enjoyable enough but my god the main character is annoying and the characters are paper thin.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: archnemesis on March 15, 2023, 04:44:24 AM
Oh man, I love Hyperion. I think I have said that in this thread at least three times already, but it is just that good.

A colleague at work just read it too. Had loads of fun discussing it with her.
Have you read any of the other three novels in the series? Do you know if they're worth reading?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on March 15, 2023, 09:23:53 AM
Oh man, I love Hyperion. I think I have said that in this thread at least three times already, but it is just that good.

A colleague at work just read it too. Had loads of fun discussing it with her.
Have you read any of the other three novels in the series? Do you know if they're worth reading?
Only The Fall of Hyperion. It's great and a good conclusion to the story.

Neogoof warned me off Endymion and Rise so I've never read it. My colleague says she's enjoyed it, so I really should pick them up.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 15, 2023, 01:38:10 PM
Project Hail Mary was great

I finished that yesterday. It was enjoyable enough but my god the main character is annoying and the characters are paper thin.

That describes most scifi of this kind though.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: NekoFever on March 15, 2023, 06:21:24 PM
Maybe, but I just kept thinking that he’s written Mark Watney again.

My copy has a quote on the cover from Ernest Cline and I couldn’t help but feel that that endorsement made sense.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 24, 2023, 02:05:09 AM
Got the first book from the Sanderson kickstarter today. They weren't kidding when they said they went overboard with the foil stamping on the cover which caused a huge production delay. It's a really nice cover.

Finished Blood Meridian. Good book, well written and interesting characters and tense scenes. Going to take a few days of reading up on interpretations to get more out of it and maybe do a re-read. I definitely enjoyed the book more once it was clear that the Judge was not a literal person, because that made him much more interesting.

It honestly didn't seem that shocking and unfilmable in modern 2020s media. It's pretty violent and dark and fucked up and mean-spirited at times, but like so are lots of other authors and film/tv these days and everyone's fine with it.

Joe Abercrombie's First Law trilogy style seems to pull a lot from McCarthy's imo, but First Law is a bit more hopeful with more likeable characters. Though I liked the Ex-priest in Blood Meridian.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on March 24, 2023, 03:52:31 AM
Just finished up this one

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1474343990i/30809370.jpg)

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/30809370

Sequel to one of my favourite Australian history books ever. Very sarcastic look at our sketchy past.

My only complaint was the author allowed his political leanings to show a few times. No big deal, just annoying.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 24, 2023, 10:29:32 AM
I've been wanting to read Girt for a while now, heard it is good.  The third one is free on audible plus.   

Reading Weave World.  It's not bad so far at 1/3 of the way in.  I do like that Barker can't seem to go 5 chapters without describing a painfully hard cock spitting spunk.  :dead 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on March 24, 2023, 04:42:19 PM
Girt is lots of fun.

I can see it upsetting the Southern Cross tattoo set because it skewers the romanticised view that some people have about British settlement of the continent, but as a child of migrants, I have no such issue.

True Girt wasn't as good, but definitely worth a read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on March 28, 2023, 04:07:54 AM
Ok, finished up Skyward #3 - Cytonic

I didn't dislike it as much as Madrun, but yeah, it was just an ok book. I don't know if I'd say it's Sanderson's worst book, I think a few of his books are a lot weaker, but maybe it's the most "nothing" book he's written? In that it really is just a transition episode and feels really short and not really a full beginning, middle, end tale. It's just a short story of one sequence played out over 400 pages.

The reveals were kinda so-so, I do enjoy the callbacks to the initial novella Defending Elysium that's the prequel to Skyward, but the reveals themselves weren't too interesting.

Also Sanderson's strength besides world building is character interaction and too much of the book lacks Spensa interacting with other characters. The best part of the book is when she's part of a pirate team and there's actually a cast of characters she interacts with. That part read quickly.

Not sure about the final book coming this fall, I'd say it's 50/50 whether he pulls everything from this and the Skyward novellas into a big satisfying epic tale, or it's just kinda a so-so finale like The Lost Metal was last fall. We'll see.


Even though I got my hardcover now for the Kickstarter book #1 Tress of the Emerald Sea, going to take a Sanderson break and read something else or two before I go for that one.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on March 28, 2023, 04:48:05 PM
Just finished this https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56326737-constance (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56326737-constance)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1627421062i/56326737.jpg)

I got it free with some promotion I think and wasn't really intending to read it. However, I needed a short palate cleanser after reading Girt and boy am I happy about that decision!

What a wonderful book!

Suffice to say, I picked up the sequel before I had even finished it.

It's a mystery wrapped up in light sci-fi skin which centres around human cloning, touching a little on the ethics and ramifications for humanity, but never getting overly preachy.

The ending didn't 100% stick for me and it was somewhat predictable, but it was so well done that I didn't care. There's an urgency to the story that makes you want to read just one more chapter and I finished it at just after midnight last night.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on March 28, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Thanks for the link, I've marked it to-read.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on April 01, 2023, 02:31:38 AM
Sanderson's 2nd book of four from his kickstarter just dropped digitally and...it looks like he's going hard on his Pratchett influence with this one. Which is great because I really enjoy his humor writing. This is the one book of the four that is not canon lore connected universe Cosmere stuff and is just a standalone fun book he wrote.

May just read this digital rather than wait 3 months to get the physical copy.

(https://i.imgur.com/v986f6hl.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on April 09, 2023, 10:39:48 PM
Started reading Discworld #7 - Pyramids and listening to We are Legion (We Are Bob).

Both are pretty fun. I think Pyramids reads a lot better than the previous Wyrd Sisters so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2023, 08:43:58 PM
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The Ben Bernank is kind of a jerk. Most of the Fed stuff in this is pretty basic but I know most people don't really understand it so I won't complain. The bulk of this is sort of a biography of two somewhat random dudes and it switches from one to the other halfway through and there's no "endpoint" to the story for either so that's a questionable narrative choice. I do wonder if it started as a biography of the one guy, a Fed board dissenter, and then he took another job and dropped out of the story because he wasn't part of the Fed story anymore. Most of what I liked is that the guy read the released Fed meetings so I don't have to, they're released many years after the fact. That's where you learn how much of a jerk Bernanke and a few others were. Saw he wrote a new book trying to explain some economy thing at the library and laughed like lol what a jerk. This book covers the time from like 2006 mostly forward through COVID but all the "action" in is in the first half because after the first guy and Bernanke leave everyone mostly agrees all the time about doing stupid stuff. Also the minutes aren't available yet so we wouldn't really know if anyone disagreed anyway.

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Mildly deceptive title, this is really about the film industry in China not Hollywood specifically. Hollywood does play a role obviously and it covers some similar ground on that to another book or two I've shared in the thread but the vast bulk of it is really about Chinese film itself. I thought it was somewhat interesting how although the author seems somewhat more favorable of China and the CCP (although she may have just been being even-handed) she portrayed the state guided and promoted propaganda type films much more cynically than that other book on Hollywood/China I read which seemed to view things like Wolf Warrior 2 as legitimate threats to American cultural hegemony. She notes by contrast that basically nobody outside of China gives a shit about Chinese blockbusters and how the CCP is somewhat like "I don't get it, we put the explosions, we put the quips, we put the Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, we showed the success of the Belt and Road Initiative for encouraging independence from capitalism, why does the rest of the world not eat this stuff up?" She also notes that the CCP is not unique in being paranoid about the power of film, the Qing and KMT had similarly extensive and harsh censorship although in the former case it was more of the "wait, they're showing this in theaters?" type of reaction versus controlling the means of production. She doesn't note it explicitly but I thought it was somewhat amusing that one aspect the CCP deliberately copied from the Hollywood studio system and found to their continuing advantage was all kinds of layers of bureaucracy that can take your scripts and budgets and movies away from you and change everything no matter what they promised you before and then stick your name on it. :american

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Jeff Immelt sucks. Wait a minute... This is, as the title might imply, the whole story from after some guy nobody's ever heard of invented a light bulb or something. Anyway, GE gets really big, Jack Welch becomes God, etc. then Jeff Immelt fucks it all up. Pretty much everyone alive was willing to be interviewed for this, Welch did multiple interviews so he gets a slightly more favorable treatment than everyone else although he probably was better anyway. Best part is that this is after Immelt's own book and also he gave interviews for it which leads to most of the second half being the same format: guy tells you about some GE thing, goes to Jeff Immelt's version, then asks everyone else who says "that's bullshit, he's lying." Jeff Immelt has a pretty simple theory for what went wrong at GE: people didn't listen to Jeff Immelt's brilliance enough. Everyone else seems to think it was that Jeff Immelt wouldn't listen to anyone else. Welch was a tyrant but he could be won over and not only could he be but he enjoyed the entire give-and-take process. Immelt wouldn't even read the reports people brought him, make a decision from the "gut" despite not knowing anything about any of the businesses and then demand absolute loyalty. For some strange reason, this didn't work. Immelt doesn't outright suspect he was sabotaged by wreckers and Kulaks but he does think too many other people were focused on their careers rather than what was best for GE (following Jeff's ideas with total loyalty) which is apparently delivering a $2 a share dividend and just buying shit semi-randomly.

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Are you sitting down? China's been erasing events from its official history. I know, it was surprising. In this case the CCP has pretty much erased that Zhao Ziyang did anything. Now, you might be asking, who is that? Oh, just a minor guy, let me quote Wikipedia here: "was the third premier of the People's Republic of China from 1980 to 1987, vice chairman of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) from 1981 to 1982, and CCP general secretary from 1987 to 1989." Anyway, after Tiananmen they blamed him for literally every problem in China, put him under house arrest, accused him of being part of a capitalist plot and erased him from official documents. Now you might wonder, how can you erase the head of the country and The Party? Easy peasy, see all his good ideas, those were actually Deng Xiaoping's. Sure, you thought they were just vague random sayings but actually they were really specific policy orders. The bad ones, well like Jeff Immelt's 99 Problems that was just Zhao, evil capitalist who rose to the premier spot in the CCP, not following Deng's perfect wisdom. While the book mostly covers only the above noted dates, the coda is an amusing look at how Xi Jinping has now effectively erased Deng as well, not completely like Zhao (who still goes unmentioned) but now Deng is just some guy from the before time back before Xi's perfectness came to power and gets mentioned only in passing rather than as the "chief architect" history they used to cover over Zhao. If I had a complaint, there's one section where the various Chinese officials are discussing some problems including "inflation" and the guy discusses it like they are, say, American officials which makes the entire discussion not really make sense, I was baffled somewhat about the chapter and assumed it was something I might just have to look up or whatever but then I read another official on another subject talking about Marxist philosophy and it hit me, the officials may have been using all the kinds of economic language we're used to but they were actually talking about things involving state rationing so stuff like the "inflation" wasn't actually ever happening. It's a minor point in the book but it was the main flaw I found in it. The other may have been that he didn't really "wrap" up the story and let Zhao be erased from his own book, the guy wrote a memoir that got out through Hong Kong, the author read it (and reads Chinese) as it's used as a source and you're left wondering if the guy is like "yeah, they fucked me, but that's the game." Chinese officials have been pretty candid in their memoirs so he might have had a whole section on how Jeff Immelt sucks!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on April 20, 2023, 11:18:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xnXYLiqh.jpg)

Finished Lock-On Vol.2 last night.
That was actually a pretty good step up from their first volume. Only 1 or 2 kinda wonky articles. Very thick volume, some interesting write ups like:

Kenji Eno biography (I'd played D2 and Enemy Zero growing up and I knew his name but didn't know much about him until this)
Ratchet & Clank series breakdown, including a cool article on Ratchet 1 speedrunning hacks
Bit on the history of Jack & Daxter
Nier series breakdown
Zelda series breakdown
Interview series on Mundaun
Interview series with Keita Takahashi
Interview series with Suda51 on NMH
Short breakdown on the history of Rockstar Games (nothing really new, but some interesting takes)
Article on the whole cyberpunk genre of games like Shadowrun
Too many articles on actual Cyberpunk 2077
Plus a nice article on Spiritfarer which reminded me that I should give it another shot and am currently playing it.

All in all it was a good read. Looking forward to vol.3 and vol.4 when I get to them.

Also despite the Hollow Knight softcover and some great HK fan art, the actual article on HK was kind of whack.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on April 21, 2023, 02:00:36 AM
Finished up Galaxy in Flames by Ben Counter which is the third volume in the Warhammer 40K Horus Heresy series.

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I just love this series. The Grim Dark setting is wonderful and the characters are all so well realised, especially for a series that was essentially written like a TV show with a writers room and all.

I am not really into 40K, but I do admire the attention to detail and the worldbuilding. The best praise I can give the series is that it would be just as enjoyable in an original setting.


https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/815091
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: NekoFever on April 27, 2023, 06:00:27 PM
They occasionally do a big Horus Heresy ebook Humble Bundle where you can get like 20 of them for next to nothing. They’re trash but it’s entertaining trash.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on April 27, 2023, 08:35:25 PM
They occasionally do a big Horus Heresy ebook Humble Bundle where you can get like 20 of them for next to nothing. They’re trash but it’s entertaining trash.
That's how I got them a few years back.

Trash is good sometimes. You need comfort food in your life to contrast to the times when you eat like a king.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 05, 2023, 03:49:17 AM
Finished Discworld #7 - Pyramids

That was a good book. Felt like the most fleshed out and accomplished novel in the Discworld series so far. Has a good structure that comes together, lots of characters, good story and fairly humorous, lots of great takes on society and humans, and some good running gags like Hat, the Vulture Headed God. It's a bit messy, but overall it's a legit great book.

Not sure if I'd say it's my favorite Discworld book so far, but I think it's objectively the best one. It's probably a book I wouldn't mind re-reading someday.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 10, 2023, 01:40:48 AM
Finished the audiobook of Bobiverse #1 - We Are Legion (We Are Bob)

Really enjoyable book for about the first 60-70% until caveman tales and gorillas, at which point that subplot became the "boring subplot" where the rest of the book was interesting sci-fi and that was kinda zzz and brought down the pacing each time it jumped back there. It was still ok, and the other subplots were still great, but I thought it brought down the last 30% because of that subplot.

Also the ending felt a bit abrupt, and because there's all these storylines going on separately, the final chapters didn't feel like a real "come together wrap it up satisfying conclusion" but rather moving all the story arcs forward a little bit. The end.

I get that works in that there's more books in the series, but yeah, felt like a Season 1 vs a self-contained thing.

But that all sounds more negative than I actually am on it. I thought it was really entertaining, especially outside of the gorillas sub-plot, and as someone that's not really into sci-fi, I thoroughly enjoyed it. A really solid 8.5/10.

I'll continue with the series unless it gets bad. Probably stick with the audiobooks because I thought the narrator did a good job with the various characters making them sound unique.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on May 10, 2023, 02:25:36 AM
Finished up Strange Dogs which is a novella in The Expanse series and have dived straight into book #7 (Persepolis Rising).

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Strange Dogs was a great little novella giving a bit of prep for the big time jump between book #6 and #7.

I already knew the basics of the story because this novella was part of season 6 of the TV show.

Something I am always impressed with is the way each of the multitude of characters in The Expanse, even the bit part players, always have excellent characterisation and feel like unique personalities. It's amazing what the two authors achieved with this series considering the level of output they had.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 12, 2023, 03:06:34 AM
Started listening to Dresden #1 - Stormfront

Seems solid so far. I think I just really enjoy Noir gumshoe detective audiobooks. Like I really enjoyed Red Harvest. Hearing the gumshoe self-narrator just seems like a good fit for audiobook narrators.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on May 12, 2023, 03:49:01 AM
I read that a while ago. I really enjoyed it but haven't managed to get onto the second book yet. I might pick that up once I'm done with the Expanse.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on May 12, 2023, 10:40:45 PM
There are some tonally problematic things with Stormfront, but from book 2 or 3, it's just fantastic. Butcher said he was writing for a certain audience, and then abandoned that as he progressed.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 12, 2023, 10:56:19 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Mordew.jpg)

Picked it up on a whim because the cover looked cool and the synopsis sounded neat.

Quote
GOD IS DEAD, his corpse hidden in the catacombs beneath Mordew.
In the slums of the sea-battered city a young boy called Nathan Treeves lives with his parents, eking out a meagre existence by picking treasures from the Living Mud and the half-formed, short-lived creatures it spawns. Until one day his desperate mother sells him to the mysterious Master of Mordew.
The Master derives his magical power from feeding on the corpse of God. But Nathan, despite his fear and lowly station, has his own strength and it is greater than the Master has ever known. Great enough to destroy everything the Master has built. If only Nathan can discover how to use it.
So it is that the Master begins to scheme against him and Nathan has to fight his way through the betrayals, secrets, and vendettas of the city where God was murdered, and darkness reigns...

I assume this is just a historically accurate portrayal of living in Britain.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2023, 11:00:34 PM
There are some tonally problematic things with Stormfront
Quoting this out of context to signal my agreement.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 13, 2023, 12:07:39 AM
There are some tonally problematic things with Stormfront, but from book 2 or 3, it's just fantastic. Butcher said he was writing for a certain audience, and then abandoned that as he progressed.

Yeah, I can see that even early on. The main guy is kind of overly try hard macho and dismissive of women. There's kind of an occasional cringe line or two but otherwise it's good so far.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 14, 2023, 01:06:51 PM
There are some tonally problematic things with Stormfront
Quoting this out of context to signal my agreement.

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:teehee
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:lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 14, 2023, 01:10:18 PM
Dresden is pretty cool in that the first 12 books basically just continually get better and better.  The series doesn't really launch off until the last half of book 3 though.       


I read a cozy fantasy just to see what the hype was about -- it's not my thing.  But the book, 'The Bookshop and the Barbarian', had a pretty good joke in the first chapter.  The main character, Maribelle, buys a bookstore and finds it's infested by Goblins, and then gets told by the town guard that they can't help her because it is illegal to remove them as they are an endangered species due to to many adventures killing them for experience.  Then, in Always Sunny fashion, the next chapter is titled 'Maribelle hires a murder hobo'.

Also listening to 'Hardwired' and it is pretty cool so far. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 22, 2023, 11:28:37 PM
Almost done with Dresden #1. This book moves so fast. Really breezy read/listen. Pleasantly surprised by this. Was expecting just an alright series that gets good after a few books, but this is a great exciting fun book outside some problematic elements. Feels like it'd make a great movie adaptation. Reminds me of Constantine. Definitely will add this series to my First Law, Discworld, Sanderson, Wheel of Time fantasy book rotation.

Also finishing up tonight John Scalzi's The Kaiju Preservation Society which I started last week for a book club I'm going to on Friday. Wasn't sure about the intro, was a bit too zoomer speak, but once it got past that I like the way Scalzi writes dialogue. Feels very much like TV show quipping. I've just got a bit left to finish tonight but the book's been pretty funny. Laughed quite a bit throughout. More than I do from your average Discworld book. Also like Dresden #1 it's short and paced quickly, so was easy to blow through and very enjoyable. Will probably try more of Scalzi's novels.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on May 23, 2023, 01:43:00 AM
Old Man's War series is good. Got a bit silly by the end, but definitely a good guilty pleasure kind of series.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 23, 2023, 10:23:24 AM
So yeah, finished The Kaiju Preservation Society. Good book, would make a fun TV series.

The thing is though that the book is great for like the first 80% of it when it's a comedy about office workers in Jurassic Park. Funny stuff. Good writing. Then the last 20% finale when it tries to have an action adventure summer movie finale it's just...boringly generic.

At least in this book Scalzi's strength is his dialogue and humor and his weakness is his plot and action. Still a good short read.


Is Old Man's War or any of his other stuff humor?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on May 23, 2023, 04:32:31 PM
Old Man's War is pretty funny, but it's not outright comedy. More cynical and sarcastic. I haven't read Kaiju Preservation Society for reference, but it is definitely on the lighter, funnier side of sci-fi.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 24, 2023, 08:51:21 PM
Finished Dresden #1. Was great outside the finale which dragged out with action and the whole everything going wrong until the very last second thing.

Also, at least book #1 felt more like a horror detective book than a fantasy series. Felt like tons of point n click adventure games that are supernatural murder mysteries like Gabriel Knight and Wadjet Eye stuff like Unavowed or Blackwell series. Considering that's my favorite genre of PnC, it's probably why I enjoyed this one so much.

Is the series generally more horror (gore, demons, ghosts, vampires, spooky stuff) or fantasy (fairies and wizards v wizards)? I always thought this was a fantasy series, but for my tastes I'd prefer more of a Stephen King detective series.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 24, 2023, 08:54:16 PM
Actually caught up with my audiobooks now. About halfway through Sanderson's secret project #1 Tress of the Emerald Sea in physical.

When I finish that I'll figure out some next reads. Probably Abercrombie on physical. Maybe Bobiverse #2 on audiobook, or maybe something else there like a horror book.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 25, 2023, 03:18:12 PM
Also, now that I finished Stormfront, can someone go into the tonally problematic issues with the book? Honestly I expected something pretty bad from that warning, but the only thing kind cringe was a love potion which he didn't make on purpose (horny skull forced him), and he didn't use on purpose (Susan grabbed the wrong potion) and nothing came out of it. So it seemed mostly harmless?

I mean Harry's descriptors of when he meets women tend to describe their eyes and sometimes their bust, which is slightly cringe, but pretty typical of late 90s/early 00s as typical male written writing. Was expecting something a lot worse with the tone warning.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 27, 2023, 02:37:59 PM
So this seems like a good deal for the Murderbot audiobooks

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/marthawells-agriddle-and-more-audiobooks-books

But since I'm new to audiobooks, I don't even know how to listen to mp3s on my phone anymore since all the cloud services where you upload your own stuff shut down. With audiobooks on Audible or Spotify even if I go listen to other stuff it keeps track of where I was in the audiobook when I come back to it. Not sure it's worth the savings in the bundle if I need to find my place each time with an mp3.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 27, 2023, 02:53:31 PM
Ended up buying, it, getting a book app BookPlayer that reddit recommended, getting the cloud drive working and getting the file over and importing it

...only to find out that HumbleBundle fucked this bundle up and all the downloads are just the 1 chapter samples and not the actual books  :awesome


I'm sure they will fix this quick. Will check back again tonight.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 27, 2023, 05:51:31 PM
So are any of the other books in that bundle worth reading besides the murderbot ones?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on May 27, 2023, 06:03:45 PM
So are any of the other books in that bundle worth reading besides the murderbot ones?
Never heard of any of them. Even allowing for not judging books by their covers, none of them fill me with confidence.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on May 27, 2023, 08:53:22 PM
So are any of the other books in that bundle worth reading besides the murderbot ones?
Never heard of any of them. Even allowing for not judging books by their covers, none of them fill me with confidence.

$20 still a good deal for all those Murderbot audiobooks, so I don't mind.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Potato on May 27, 2023, 11:20:37 PM
Definitely
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 31, 2023, 06:49:10 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/13wfo8t/will_wight_giveaway_all_ebooks_free_for_the_next/
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 31, 2023, 06:50:43 AM
Bebpo and chrono you guys got Goodread accounts?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 01, 2023, 12:51:25 AM
Bebpo and chrono you guys got Goodread accounts?

Nah, I try to minimize internet accounts these days. Don't have time for more than an inactive forum.

What's your Goodreads? Maybe I'll follow it after this place dies.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on June 01, 2023, 06:22:12 AM
Read that Joe Abercrombie's Best Served Cold is getting a movie adaptation. They best not fuck this up. (They will.)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 02, 2023, 10:34:30 PM
Over halfway through Murderbot #1 All Systems Red and idk

The first quarter when it was a dry humor piece about an antisocial murderbot dealing with humans was pretty funny. Good stuff.
The 2nd quarter when it's like 100% serious action sci-fi plot....eh, I find this really dry and boring and hard to get through.

Basically I have zero interest in this series as a legit plot focused sci-fi series,
but I'm down for it if it's just a dry comedy series.

Will see how the book/novella turns out by the end and if I'm interested in continuing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2023, 05:31:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/MLXeXU3l.png)

Finished Sanderson's Tress of the Emerald Sea

It's a good enjoyable Princess Bride-esque pirate adventure. Likeable characters, interesting world that's lightly explored, and a few Cosmere teases, but overall nothing really stood out and has a bit of a fluff feel to it.

It's better than Skyward #3 and Mistborn Era 2/Book 4 The Lost Metal, so it's a step back in the right direction. But just doesn't have the compelling writing of Sanderson's better books like Warbreaker or Stormlight. It's also written in a very YA tone like Skyward so that might be it too.

Enjoyed it. *** out of **** stars. The hardcover is gorgeous with amazing illustrations and coloring and it's a good length.

Fingers crossed some of the other kickstarter secret project books are a bit better though. Or at least I hope some of them aren't YA tone.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2023, 05:35:17 AM
The book club I try to make it to if I can, which read The Kaiju Preservation Society last month (and I missed the damn book club event because I was too knocked out from surgery  :maf ), is reading This is How You Lose the Time War by Amal El-Mohtar for the June book.

So I think I'll give that a try next, otherwise next book I'm reading is Best Served Cold. Keep meaning to get to it and with the news of the film adaptation, I think it's time to read it.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 03, 2023, 02:15:08 PM
Audible US sale is crazy for any of the 85% off series.  Could easily spend 500$.  Debating which series I should pick up.

edit:  bought 20 books for 80$.  Half The Laundry Files series and the full Sun Eater novels plus others
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 04, 2023, 06:29:52 PM
Listening to Will Wight's youtube stream.  The giveaway this last time was almost half a million books and was about the same as all the other giveaways combined  :o  Pretty cool to see how popular he has gotten given he is probably the best-known self-published author. 
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 07, 2023, 04:12:55 AM
Finished This is How You Lose the Time War by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone alternating chapters. About two time agents going back and forth between time strands to change history.

I really didn't enjoy the prose and stream of conscious style it was written in. Especially in such a weird world lore setting. There's no time spent establishing anything and it's just really confusing to follow and would work better as a visual medium piece I think.

Eventually it starts to click and the last 1/3rd where there was actually "some" plot was mildly enjoyable. But so much of the 200 page book is just poem-like ramblings of time period events over a single page.

The first half definitely got me feeling like "at this point in my life, why should I be wasting any reading time on books that aren't 'fun'", but it was short and part of a book club. Having finished it, it was maybe worth the time, maybe. Definitely not my kind of thing. I'm a boring old fogey who likes my prose straight forward and understandable.

Looking forward to jumping into Best Served Cold tomorrow. Almost done with Murderbot #1. Will listen to Dresden #2 next on the audiobook side.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 07, 2023, 11:52:17 PM
Ok, finished Murderbot #1. Was good.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 08, 2023, 12:06:13 AM
Audible US sale is crazy for any of the 85% off series.  Could easily spend 500$.  Debating which series I should pick up.

edit:  bought 20 books for 80$.  Half The Laundry Files series and the full Sun Eater novels plus others

Oh shit, I hadn't paid attention to this since I wasn't caught up in audiobooks yet.
Now I am and wow, glad I didn't miss this. Bobiverse books are $2.50.

*edit* Ok, didn't grab too much since I don't go through audiobooks that quickly.

Grabbed Bobiverse #2-#4, Dresden #2/#3 and Project Hail Mary. Between those and the rest of the Murderbot audiobooks I got from the humble sale that should last for about a year.

Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 09, 2023, 05:06:55 AM
Best Served Cold is super fucking good so far. Abercrombie writes so damn well and his characters are extremely enjoyable.

I looked him up and saw he did a YA series in 2014/2015.
...I can't imagine him doing YA. All the First Law stuff is very, very mature writing and very, very adult everything.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2023, 02:10:17 AM
Yeah, I'm going to blow through all the rest of Abercrombie's bibliography pretty quickly after this. Makes me remember how much I liked reading the First Law trilogy even if I was kind of disappointed in its nihilistic conclusion. His characters are A++ and everything is so well written.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2023, 01:28:36 AM
I'll spare you guys my normal lengthy unfunny obvious commentaries (I posted those in the .net thread) and make just short comments about these:

Quite good, many of the Goodreads reviews stupidly accuse him of political bias (and one of "hating America") because he accurately mentions Trump on one page of the conclusion as someone who also likes "law and order" and is "suspicious of immigrants" when his real bias is just that he accepts the standard popular narrative of history:
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Adequate, the Ford one is the clear superior, the Reagan one suffers because he didn't really integrate any challenges to his thesis except from pro-Reagan sources upset at his lack of use of force and he turns to ad hoc explanations sometimes because his thesis is that everything Reagan did was connected to some kind of master plan:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1657982770i/61469398.jpg)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1645020154i/60429551.jpg)

Bad, not even about corporations but select big businesses, he even starts out his book on the "history of corporations" by defining out the bulk of corporations existing today and probably in human history from even being corporations, and this guy is a law professor who then goes on to fail describing the law accurately in a number of other ways:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1647264648i/60568507.jpg)
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 12, 2023, 02:44:21 AM
My only gripe about Abercrombie's Best Served Cold is that the main two characters and their interactions feel like a rehash of the main two from the First Law trilogy, which makes me wonder about Abercrombie's range a bit.

Shivers PoV seems like the exact same PoV as Logen was. Naive fish out of water Northman, humble natured, always trying to be a better man and bring some camaraderie to the party. Monza being a hard assed antisocial murder machine basically like Ferrio. Just feels kind of samey even if it's still very entertaining.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 12, 2023, 07:52:26 PM
American Midnight is a good book about a time period very few know much about. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 12, 2023, 08:39:43 PM
Read that Joe Abercrombie's Best Served Cold is getting a movie adaptation. They best not fuck this up. (They will.)

That was my first books by that author and I really love it. I think there is room to do it right!
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 13, 2023, 12:40:16 AM
Audible US sale is crazy for any of the 85% off series.  Could easily spend 500$.  Debating which series I should pick up.

edit:  bought 20 books for 80$.  Half The Laundry Files series and the full Sun Eater novels plus others

Shit, looks like I slept through the sale.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 15, 2023, 12:11:33 PM
Best Served Cold

The brothel scene was A+++
Book is like Dark Fantasy x Ocean's Eleven x Tarantino


Though I will nitpick more and say the massive re-use and shoving in your face constantly of stuff from First Law is a bit overkill. Like a small character like Shivers, ok, that works. But like

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Vitari, Cosca, Carlot de Eider, Jezal, etc... everyone yelling THE CRIPPLE, THE CRIPPLE RUNS IT ALL, etc...
[close]

It's kind of a bit too much fanservice? Like it feels detrimental to the plot standing on its own with its own characters. It really doesn't need all these connections, not too mention it's kind of a ridiculous coincidence all these characters are just happening to show up again in the same spot.

I think the original characters in Best Served Cold are great. Morveer and Day the poisoners are so, so good. Friendly is uh, interesting lol. Just doesn't need all the connections in your face imo.

But it's very entertainingly written and plot-wise, so it's fine.

It definitely feels like it's written for film/TV, but the biggest hurdle of a film will be truncating what is a pretty long fucking book into a 2 hour medieval Tarantino film.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 17, 2023, 12:27:40 PM
Best Served Cold

Damn, this book got dark in the Visserine arc.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 17, 2023, 10:15:10 PM
Best Served Cold

The brothel scene was A+++
Book is like Dark Fantasy x Ocean's Eleven x Tarantino


Though I will nitpick more and say the massive re-use and shoving in your face constantly of stuff from First Law is a bit overkill. Like a small character like Shivers, ok, that works. But like

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Vitari, Cosca, Carlot de Eider, Jezal, etc... everyone yelling THE CRIPPLE, THE CRIPPLE RUNS IT ALL, etc...
[close]

It's kind of a bit too much fanservice? Like it feels detrimental to the plot standing on its own with its own characters. It really doesn't need all these connections, not too mention it's kind of a ridiculous coincidence all these characters are just happening to show up again in the same spot.

I think the original characters in Best Served Cold are great. Morveer and Day the poisoners are so, so good. Friendly is uh, interesting lol. Just doesn't need all the connections in your face imo.

But it's very entertainingly written and plot-wise, so it's fine.

It definitely feels like it's written for film/TV, but the biggest hurdle of a film will be truncating what is a pretty long fucking book into a 2 hour medieval Tarantino film.

Because I was unaware of First Law, I started with this book and loved it. What seems like fanservice for you was my introduction to the characters. Maybe it’s better that way?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 17, 2023, 10:49:32 PM
Best Served Cold

The brothel scene was A+++
Book is like Dark Fantasy x Ocean's Eleven x Tarantino


Though I will nitpick more and say the massive re-use and shoving in your face constantly of stuff from First Law is a bit overkill. Like a small character like Shivers, ok, that works. But like

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Vitari, Cosca, Carlot de Eider, Jezal, etc... everyone yelling THE CRIPPLE, THE CRIPPLE RUNS IT ALL, etc...
[close]

It's kind of a bit too much fanservice? Like it feels detrimental to the plot standing on its own with its own characters. It really doesn't need all these connections, not too mention it's kind of a ridiculous coincidence all these characters are just happening to show up again in the same spot.

I think the original characters in Best Served Cold are great. Morveer and Day the poisoners are so, so good. Friendly is uh, interesting lol. Just doesn't need all the connections in your face imo.

But it's very entertainingly written and plot-wise, so it's fine.

It definitely feels like it's written for film/TV, but the biggest hurdle of a film will be truncating what is a pretty long fucking book into a 2 hour medieval Tarantino film.

Because I was unaware of First Law, I started with this book and loved it. What seems like fanservice for you was my introduction to the characters. Maybe it’s better that way?

Did you feel like reading Best Served Cold first spoiled too much of the First Law Trilogy? For something that's standalone it references everything so much I feel like it would kind of ruin a lot of the plot points in that trilogy if someone read it after.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on June 18, 2023, 04:56:13 AM
The writing just has to be good. Everybody knows the main outline for Lord of the Rings, but I'm still enjoying reading the books in 2023.

How does knowing outcomes ruin the plot points anways. You got 3 whole books to find out how things came out to be the way they are. People put way too much weight on spoilers. If the only thing keeping you interested in books/movies/games is the surprise of the next plot point I'm going to assume they aren't very good on their own.

Do you ever reread books you like? If spoilers are that important why ever reread anything.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 18, 2023, 09:17:06 PM
The writing just has to be good. Everybody knows the main outline for Lord of the Rings, but I'm still enjoying reading the books in 2023.

How does knowing outcomes ruin the plot points anways. You got 3 whole books to find out how things came out to be the way they are. People put way too much weight on spoilers. If the only thing keeping you interested in books/movies/games is the surprise of the next plot point I'm going to assume they aren't very good on their own.

Do you ever reread books you like? If spoilers are that important why ever reread anything.

I don't think I've ever re-read a book.

I agree with what you're saying, I'm just iffy on Best Served Cold being a good jump in point since it feels like so much of it needs having read the prior three books.
I mean I'm at the part where there are eaters in Puranti, and if I hadn't read the previous books and known what eaters are, I think it'd be kind of confusing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 19, 2023, 10:10:15 PM
Best Served Cold

The brothel scene was A+++
Book is like Dark Fantasy x Ocean's Eleven x Tarantino


Though I will nitpick more and say the massive re-use and shoving in your face constantly of stuff from First Law is a bit overkill. Like a small character like Shivers, ok, that works. But like

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Vitari, Cosca, Carlot de Eider, Jezal, etc... everyone yelling THE CRIPPLE, THE CRIPPLE RUNS IT ALL, etc...
[close]

It's kind of a bit too much fanservice? Like it feels detrimental to the plot standing on its own with its own characters. It really doesn't need all these connections, not too mention it's kind of a ridiculous coincidence all these characters are just happening to show up again in the same spot.

I think the original characters in Best Served Cold are great. Morveer and Day the poisoners are so, so good. Friendly is uh, interesting lol. Just doesn't need all the connections in your face imo.

But it's very entertainingly written and plot-wise, so it's fine.

It definitely feels like it's written for film/TV, but the biggest hurdle of a film will be truncating what is a pretty long fucking book into a 2 hour medieval Tarantino film.

Because I was unaware of First Law, I started with this book and loved it. What seems like fanservice for you was my introduction to the characters. Maybe it’s better that way?

Did you feel like reading Best Served Cold first spoiled too much of the First Law Trilogy? For something that's standalone it references everything so much I feel like it would kind of ruin a lot of the plot points in that trilogy if someone read it after.

The references to Firsy Law had no context for me, so it was like saying “many Bothans died to bring us this information.” It was world-expanding by hinting at a larger picture, but I didn’t know it was pointing at specific things at that time.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on June 21, 2023, 07:29:12 PM
Huh.

https://collider.com/rebecca-ferguson-best-served-cold-movie-tim-miller/
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on June 26, 2023, 06:44:27 AM
Alright, finished Best Served Cold - Great book

I think the first half is 10/10 goofy horrible fucked up fun, and then the second half is considerably less fun but still pretty good. I liked First Law Trilogy a bit better than this because I preferred the PoV characters more and the larger scope story with more magical/world lore stuff, but then I was really underwhelmed by the final in First Law Trilogy whereas Best Served Cold lands the finale. Everything comes together great and satisfyingly.

It's almost ironic in that Best Served Cold which is a more "bad people doing bad shit and this can only end badly" kind of thing, that Best Served Cold's endings are more traditional structure satisfying endings with deus ex machina saves and stuff, whereas First Law Trilogy is like some decent people trying to do good things and it pretty much just ends badly for everyone which I found unsatisfying, but I guess that was also more daring I suppose because it bucked being a crowd pleaser. Especially since basically the ending for First Law Trilogy is that

spoiler (click to show/hide)
the bad guy wins.
[close]

I can definitely see how Best Served Cold can work in live-action, especially given the character endings, but yeah it is a big ass book and I don't see how you do that in a single movie and make it work. At minimum I think you'd need to do it Kill Bill style with two films that are like 2-2.5 hours each.

Since that was pretty lengthy, going to take a break from Abercrombie for a bit before I read the next book in the series. Looking forward to it though, but mostly just hoping at some point the books get more into the magi and eaters and stuff. I'm guessing that stuff is probably saved for the main series sets and not the standalones. I think one of the best scenes in First Law Trilogy was in like book 2 where one of the magi runs into two eaters who just wiped out a group of soldiers and the two eaters go after Ferro and the magi with all their super magic abilities and then the magi just fucks them up real fast in messed up ways like turning one's bones into water and the body just flaps down. I want to see more scenes like that later in the series.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Transhuman on June 26, 2023, 03:19:25 PM
Are there any scenes in the book where Rebecca Ferguson's character bares her breasts?
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on July 06, 2023, 01:56:25 AM
Finished Dresden Files #2 - Fool's Moon - This is a bad book. Apparently it's the worst in the series, so at least got it out of the way. It somehow manages to be 25% a repeat of the first book (police/Murphy not trusting Harry), 50% overcomplicated mess of a dozens of characters and factions who are all underdeveloped, and 25% filled with Harry being an annoying dickbag white knight and almost dying every other page while getting BS saves. By the finale was very checked out on this and barely paid attention because couldn't really care.

Hopefully book #3 is much better. People seem to like book #3 Grave Peril.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2023, 04:26:30 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1568838053i/51579799.jpg)

I liked this. Basically, when he started out as President Washington didn't have a cabinet. The British Cabinet was hated in the U.S. so the idea of recreating it was a non-starter. Overtime, Washington tried alternatives and he hated them all and decided to recreate the kind of advisory body he had as a general. One of the biggest was he took the "advise and consent" of the Senate literally and went there about a foreign policy issue, and they had nothing to say and decided to refer his questions he had sent weeks before appearing to a committee they'd form after he left. Washington then decided to never physically visit Congress again. So the entire reason that clause of the Constitution means nothing more than "Senate votes yes or no" is because the first Senators were a bunch of lazy idiots. :lol

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1575341040i/48889991.jpg)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1649029959i/60279788.jpg)

These two have somewhat of the same premise though they go about it in very different ways, the question is essentially when did Americans start thinking of America as one unified thing rather than a bunch of joined states. The first book offers one choice of answer (World War I more or less), the second book completely ignores the question it posed.

The first book is more of a set of biographies of historians who overlapped and had theories about American's historical purpose. Since I like that kind of thing I liked this well enough, it somewhat helped that the historian who sounded like the biggest jerk (and also the biggest racist) kept having all kinds of problems and failures in his life from his own doings. Although the author didn't seem to notice what I liked about the end is how every historian basically got it wrong. All their theories of what America means to Americans and how they would think about America was completely and utterly off. And I have to give absolute props to the author because unlike almost everyone else ever he notes that Woodrow Wilson's PhD was basically fraudulent and all his academic research was similar. A few errors here and there some which might just be typos, only real serious one was that he spends time talking about how one work was influential to the leaders of Confederacy but it was written years after the Civil War, so while I can't pronounce on how influential it was I can say I don't think it was that influential.

Second book is weird in more ways than just ignoring its own premise and never developing a thesis of any kind. The subtitle purports to be about Daniel Webster but a condensed biography is maybe a third of the book and his "nationalist idea" is never even described other than his own words where he says the Constitution should be paramount. The bulk of the book is just an overview of historical events which is fine enough and I enjoyed reading it but something I could get from Wikipedia. And Wikipedia would be better because it wouldn't try to connect events from two hundred years ago to being exacting parallels of Donald Trump who the author seems to see everywhere. (I've since discovered that he posts about his Trump visions regularly in strange formats to zero likes on Twitter.) Nor would Wikipedia digress by sharing the plots of a bunch of 1850's novels including over two pages about Moby Dick. Wikipedia would also cut down on the weird unsourced claims he makes. Some of them are understandable in that they're obviously from his very parochial knowledge of history and politics such as when he describes someone as "paradoxically" opposing slavery, monopoly and socialism. Others vary from his strange attempts to fit 250 years of American history and politics into two and only two camps, the "constitutional nationalists" (never defined) and the "populists" (also never defined) which basically breaks down to Good Guys (Daniel Webster, Lincoln and Obama) versus Bad Guys (Jefferson, Jackson, Calhoun, Trump and Putin) with the Bad Guys constantly forcing the Good Guys to do bad things. Some of these claims are just strange asides that I think the guy just made up for some reason. Lastly, three times he writes "explicitly" when he meant "implicitly" including once for a quote that didn't even explicitly say the word "slavery" let alone what he said it "explicitly" said about slavery.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on July 22, 2023, 02:28:42 AM
Murderbot #2 - Artificial Condition was great. Liked it a good amount more than the first novella, which was already enjoyable. Good robo characters.

Started on the audiobook of Between Two Fires that was recommended here. Pretty good so far. The narrator Steve West is excellent.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2023, 03:05:22 AM
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This is a great book and I recommend it if you can read it for free. One caution, you have to want to read a hundred some pages where a really stupid man brags about how much smarter than everyone else he is while he constantly says obviously wrong things. Much of Scott's theory for why he's brilliant is that he makes such accurate predictions, such as his "famous" prediction that Trump would win in a "landslide" in 2016. (Ignore that there was no landslide.) After about fifteen pages of talking about how smart and accurate he is for saying Trump would win to his "100,000 followers and blog visitors" (a "huge" number he says since "almost nobody pays attention to politics") he makes his first new prediction of the book (which is from 2017 btw) that because Donald Trump is such a detail guy he will solve immigration (Scott, not being a detail guy, does not explain how it would be solved) and also that The Wall will go down in history as one of the greatest achievements by any President. About halfway through the book Scott covers some of his many failed predictions about who Trump's VP would be, noting that he did not predict Mike Pence because he had never heard of him. (And may still not have, calling him both a Senator and one of the "most experienced politicians" in American history. He then says that Dan Quayle, an actual Senator from Indiana, was not on the 1992 Republican ticket.)

One of my favorite chapters is about cognitive dissonance where despite copy/pasting paragraphs from Wikipedia (he admits it at least) he then spends the rest of the chapter and book using an entirely different definition. In Scott's world if you like pickles and I say I don't like pickles you'll suffer cognitive dissonance. He also says that multiple explanations for something is a sign of cognitive dissonance because everything has one correct explanation. Also that groupthink is actually a "mass hallucination" that only people like trained hypnotists aka Scott are aware of. There's also a chapter on the science of hypnosis, a "superpower", Scott learned from a ten week course forty years ago* so you know you're getting top notch academic information from a "weapons grade" skeptic who is also a body-language expert. He mentions confirmation bias as another thing people suffer from, not Scott of course, while not realizing how much of his book is based around Scott not recognizing his own confirmation bias because he also defines it differently from everyone else. (A good example is Scott describing how he didn't understand criticism of The Wall because he always pictured it as a "tourist destination" with "special trade zones" for people of both countries, which doesn't sound like very much of a wall to me since my "confirmation bias" of "walls" is a barrier not a mall or bazaar.)

Scott's favorite analogy (something he says using is a sign you've lost a debate, but we'll ignore that too) says that most people live in a 2D world and that he lives in a 3D world because of how much more of reality he sees (this is not me paraphrasing he really says he's aware of more of reality; later he explains that reality may actually just be a simulation, something he tweets about often), if this is true then I at least live in a 4D world like we actually do because a cartoonist saying a bunch of weird nonsense while bragging about being a stupid wrong weirdo isn't very persuasive about how persuasion really works. Another analogy he uses a bunch is how we view reality like movies, three acts and all, and that Scott could predict accurately because in all of his "movies" (visions) Trump always won. (In a similar vein, though he means it seriously, he wrote a few times in 2016 that if people turned to violence to resist Trump he would be a top assassination target.) In another analogy Scott turns to his simulation idea and that events repeat because of "code reuse" in the simulation programming, a hilarious analogy that Scott refuses to drop no matter how many times programmers and others tell him about routines.

He's also got tunnel vision of parochial knowledge, when he's talking about why he thinks Trump's insults were so great he seems unaware that Pocahontas was a popular Disney movie, nobody is looking up the historical person. (He later says nobody thought the Clintons were "crooked" until Trump created the insult.) In another instance he has a very weird secret theory of how guest hosting on SNL works and seems to base it on how his own talking head appearances on TV have worked which he claims is "deep industry knowledge" when you can just find out how SNL works online. At the end, Scott considers if maybe he actually caused Trump to win by writing about Trump winning, while he says he can't be sure he proceeds to outline what he thinks is evidence that he did and though he doesn't mention it in this book I will mention that Scott believes affirmations can change reality and ascribes his success to them. Also, almost all of one of the chapters is indented like it's a blockquote when only one of the paragraphs is a quote from his blog. Worst of all, he never once in the book mentions that he created the Dilberito.

Finally, he seriously posted the newsfeed thing on his blog back in 2016, he quotes it in the book:
Quote from: https://web.archive.org/web/20170701000000*/http://blog.dilbert.com/2016/07/18/how-persuaders-see-the-world/
Have you ever noticed that professional sports teams are great at overcoming racism and getting everyone to play together? That’s because the coach has persuaded the players to see the team as their dominant identity. Trump can do the same with America.

*Scott also relays a story about how when he was going through this "hypnosis school" he gave a woman twenty orgasms just with words and has since done this many times because of the real power of hypnosis. (If hypnosis doesn't work to get you girls, later Scott says negging works with all women. Scott has since got married and divorced again btw.)
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Post by: Bebpo on July 27, 2023, 11:38:38 PM
House of Windows by John Langan (The Fisherman, lit-horror short story collections).

Finished up John Langan's first book from 2009. Like The Fisherman and his short stories, it's very much a high-lit book. A haunted house story where the two main characters are English Professors. It's pretty lengthy and a good deal ambiguous, and falls much further on the lit genre side than the horror genre side, but in exchange you get a very well written book with well developed interesting characters. It's creepy at parts, but it's more a drama about relationships, family, etc... that has some creepypasta mixed in.

I wouldn't say it's one of my favorite horror books, but it was worth the page count and always enjoyable to read thanks to Langan's excellent writing. Very good 3/4 book. I'll definitely check out the couple of remaining short story collections of Langan's that I haven't read at some point. I very much enjoy his output.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 08, 2023, 01:25:46 PM
The Frugal Wizard's Guide to Medieval England - Sanderon's 2nd standalone book in his four book kickstarter project.

I...really liked this one. It was closer to Scalzi's Kaiju Preservation Society than Sanderson's Cosmere universe stuff. Was a fun isekai mashup of sci-fi and fantasy told in first person through an amnesiac MC figuring out who they were. Lots of fun stuff. Between the first Skyward book and this, I'm starting to feel that Sanderson writes better without the weight of like 15 books/novellas of Cosmere world lore that everything has to fit into and slowly advance.

So of course, it seems like most Sanderson/Cosmere fans don't like this one :derp
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Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2023, 03:08:11 AM
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This is fine (and long) but there are some strange things about it. The title is very misleading, as it's not about any of this, it's a biography of three people somewhat related to the Plessy case and covers their lives since birth including their romances, careers, etc. The entire thing is a prelude to the Supreme Court case which takes place entirely in the last chapter and quickly covers over the decision on a couple pages. Then it ends immediately. Also strange is the guy seems to have used very few secondary sources at all, he instead went to the archives and read diary entries and newspaper articles to construct his narrative with almost no content from what anyone else has published about this. Maybe it's because he's a journalist instead of a historian but it is a bit odd, though he didn't make too many historical errors just a couple that I recall. He especially enjoys making "images of how location were" that he footnotes by noting that he "synthesized" them from reading newspaper articles from the time, which okay, whatever you tell yourself buddy.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 20, 2023, 04:51:29 AM
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Not necessarily terrible but there's some things about this, the biggest one is that the guy (writer of Forrest Gump) read only a handful of biographies about the three and then abridged them into this. Which is fine I guess but a bit odd for a book. He also organizes each chapter by person, which again is fine but the way he does it is that he redescribes events in each chapter. So for example he talks about things that led to the Boston Tea Party and how Hamilton reacted. Then he does it again for Adams and again for Jefferson, could have just mentioned the event again! Lastly it has a number of temporal oddities, my favorite is that George Washington leaves Philadelphia for Boston on July 3rd. He then spends some pages describing events that happen as Washington travels before Washington arrives in Boston on July 2nd. Now, we know George Washington was a time traveler who could also move faster than light, but he never gets into how Washington solved the resulting time paradox.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 23, 2023, 12:44:50 PM
The Malazan Book of the Fallen is on Humble Bundle. Like 18 dollars for all the Steven Erikson books. Pretty good deal if you're a digital reader.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 23, 2023, 12:47:38 PM
The Malazan Book of the Fallen is on Humble Bundle. Like 18 dollars for all the Steven Erikson books. Pretty good deal if you're a digital reader.

Yeah, I want to read Malazan and that's a steal.

But...I don't like reading big books digitally. I'm more ok with digital for short stuff, but with larger books I'm going to spend weeks/months on I prefer the physical book.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2023, 11:56:31 PM
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Liked this a lot, but I've got some problems AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT EM. First, the book is supposed to be about the supposedly timeless wisdom of the classical era that the Founders tapped into but the entire book is framed as the authors personal existential crisis about Donald Trump winning in 2016. Along these lines the final chapter is about what we can do to stop Trump which is even worse than that part. (Even more so by the fact that the book came out after Trump lost in 2020.) The author spent 300 pages on how brilliant the Founders were and then says they were so stupid they would shocked and appalled at modern politicians and society for its self-serving focus on personal or factional benefit. Buddy, did you even read any of the shit you wrote let alone the sources you used?

He makes a list of ten things we can do against Trump but two of them contradict, #2 says the state needs to suppress freedom of speech, press and assembly to the point that any organization of individuals needs to be outlawed and the corporate form to be abolished entirely since the Founders wouldn't have recognized it even though it was a central component of common law for centuries and two of the four in the book were actual trained lawyers and a third simply did not pass the bar. As if this was not bad enough then #8 says that in the time of Trump's evil ways we need to defend freedom of speech and press more than ever before. Pal, buddy, friend, you just said the state needs to suppress it and borderline totally.

Lastly, he uses "First Peoples" for Native Americans, cites a source that does not at all remotely speak for all of them to justify this as he claims, is ahistorical and erases their tribal individualities, which I bring up mostly because he erases actual tribe names to insert First Peoples. The founding generation understood the tribes were separate and distinct rather than a homogenous "Indigenous" and this was important to basically all their dealings with them. (Something the author comes close to accidentally stumbling upon when he mentions the different ways the French and British treated them and how it determined what side they fought on in the numerous wars.) Tribes today absolutely do not consider themselves to be one large demographic group outside of the shared (yet still distinct, look at how the different tribes in different locations were treated) experience, they even less did back then.

Amusingly, in the preface of the next book I'm reading the author muses about the insatiable modern need for historians to engage in presentism to show they're on the right side of history and that he won't be doing it so suck it up.
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Post by: Bebpo on August 30, 2023, 02:30:44 AM
Finished Discworld #8 - Guards!Guards! - Fun book. It's very much divided into two halves with the first being the evil brotherhood summoning a dragon plot and the watch, second half being terror dragon king, and the first half is the better and more fun for sure, but the ending/epilogue are great and overall it's solid and the Watch characters are great.

I read Men at Arms a few years back before starting this Discworld read, and I think I liked that one better. Will re-read it when I get to it in sequence.

So far, I'd rank the first 8 books:

Pyramids > Equal Rites > Mort > The Light Fantastic > Wyrd Sisters > Guards!Guards! > Colour of Magic > Sorcery.

I guess next up is Eric/Moving Pictures/Reaper Man. Looking forward to Reaper Man, don't know anything about the Death books after Mort.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2023, 04:29:03 AM
Finished Arc of Scythe #2 - Thunderhead by Neil Shusterman.

Was entertaining, YA but read well and quickly, but wtf this is the worst cliffhanger ending I've seen in a book. Guess I need to read the final book next.
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Post by: team filler on September 13, 2023, 05:07:54 AM
about to start reading dune for the first time
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Post by: Bebpo on September 24, 2023, 05:50:40 PM
A Profound Waste of Time #2 - Great issue, though I think the first one was better. What mostly stands out about APWOT vs. other zines is most of the articles are very game developers or industry people, vs. zines where the articles are mostly written by players and journalists. Just gives it a different feel.

Discworld #9 - Eric - The novella sized one about the dorky demonologist kid and his three genie wishes and the demons of hell. Cute story, fun and quick read. Nothing really stood out, but wasn't bad either. Just a fun novella. The parrot was fun. Next up is Moving Pictures...
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Post by: Bebpo on September 24, 2023, 05:56:14 PM
Also had one of my favorite Death gags so far

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[at the end of the universe and all things]
“Have you seen anybody?”
YES.
“Who?”
EVERYONE.
Astfgl sighed. “I mean anyone recently.”
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Post by: chronovore on October 01, 2023, 07:58:32 AM
Finished KAIJU PRESERVATION SOCIETY by John Scalzi and moved directly into A LIFE OF THE MIND, which is set the the Old Man’s War continuity. Both are good, but probably need to switch away from Scalzi for a bit afterwards.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 01, 2023, 03:04:56 PM
Finished Between Two Fires by Christopher Bhuelman.

Ya, was well written in kind of an Abercrombie way, and ya, was basically a western writer doing Berserk/Souls with a more biblical angle. Great characters, some gnarly good episodic adventures, cool monsters.

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Ending was just kind of ok.
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Liked it enough that it's an easy recommend. Audiobook was fantastic.

Picked up Bhuelman's most recent book The Black Tongued Thief to see how he's writing these days.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 01, 2023, 04:20:22 PM
Also I need to pick up some books with my audiobook credits. I glanced at my book library and this is basically my general backlog of books. I go through physical books quick, audiobooks slowly.

Physical Book backlog:

Abercrombie - The Heroes and onward
Sanderson - Yumi and the Nightmare Painter, Sunlit Man
Pratchett - Discworld #10 (Moving Pictures) - #41
Jordan - Wheel of Time #3 on onward
Schultzman - Scythe #3
Lock-On Gaming Zine Vol #3-5
Malazan book #1
The Belgaraid #1
Inkheart #1

Audiobook backlog:

Project Hail Mary
Dresden #3
Murderbot #3-6
Bobiverse #2-4

Plan to pickup/read at some point:

-Rest of John Langan I haven't read (I think just 2 short story collections)
-Some more Scalzi
-Dresden #4+ if Dresden #3 makes me like the series again
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Post by: chronovore on October 06, 2023, 07:38:33 PM
Are you Old Man War centered, or are you up for The Collapsing Empire? (which I liked)
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Post by: Bebpo on October 07, 2023, 02:58:34 AM
Are you Old Man War centered, or are you up for The Collapsing Empire? (which I liked)

The only Scalzi I've read is that Kaiju book. I'm open to other books of his since I enjoyed his writing style. Old Man's War just sounded like the most well known of his works?
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Post by: chronovore on October 10, 2023, 10:03:10 AM
It was his first novel and won a Hugo or something. It’s basically Heinlein without the Korean-War-influenced fascism. It’s great.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 10, 2023, 10:13:14 AM
God, Dresden Files books are so dull. Thought I was at the end of book 3 Grave Peril, snoring through the audiobook on a road trip but I’m only halfway and have six hours left??

I think I’m going to switch over to Murderbot #3 and come back to Grave Peril later. I’ll finish it up but then I’m out on the series.

I’m even liking Wheel of Time far better than Dresden. Dresden is just boring cliche Saturday night fantasy x-files and Harry Dresden is an boring ass character. It’s too bad because I liked the first book and thought it was a good setup for a new series.
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Post by: chronovore on October 11, 2023, 09:48:57 PM
Your reaction to Dresden is just about the polar opposite of what everyone else does. I couldn’t stand the first book, it looked borderline incel to me, and I was accurately told from the second book forward he begins shifting the character away from that. I have read through book 5 or six and enjoyed it, but haven’t been in a hurry to keep up.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2023, 02:16:29 AM
I forgot to post some last month so I have a number to inflict on friends here as well:
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Amusingly, in the preface of this book, the author muses about the insatiable modern need for historians to engage in presentism to show they're on the right side of history and that he won't be doing it so suck it up. It's also a lie as he drops in a number of them, but nobody's perfect. That's not one of my serious complaints about this book, of which I basically have none, though there are a few errors related to these. My only real complaint is that the endnotes are one after another on the same line which makes it really hard to look at them. This was a necessity since even doing this left like 100 pages of them. :lol

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Pretty meh, especially after the first few as they increasingly become less friends and more like staff aides or something. The author worked for Bill Clinton and was able to talk to Bill, Hillary and Vernon Jordan and the extent of the "friendship" we learn about Bill and Jordan is that they liked to play golf and Vernon gave him advice a few times. Amazing stuff! They're just like me except for the golf thing! It's pretty trite in general but the chapter about Woodrow Wilson doesn't dance around how much of a weirdo asshole he was and I don't want to be too critical now that people are finally catching up to me on that.

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This was okay but it feels like he abridged a longer book or two. But too much because it starts repeating itself and skipping over events as it goes on after spending way too much time on earlier ones. I didn't necessarily set out to learn an extended description of the Battle of New York but that's what I did since it's a central part of this. I thought there'd be more about the conflict with Loyalists based on the subtitle but he spends like two pages on it. Funniest part is he opens a chapter by talking about the importance of looking at maps and how one of the British war planners didn't do this, then later on in the chapters wonder why a British general didn't take a route through Delaware. If you look at a map you'd see that he could have been locked on a peninsula if he went that way and Washington had merely moved south. The British may have had sea superiority but it still would not have been a great idea since the goal was to get back up to NYC. :derp

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Since I obviously believe that "social justice" is a conservative and regressive reactionary ideology to justify oppression I intended to savage this book on principle alone. But he tricked me and legitimately looked at the literature on the original Puritans. While he gives too much of a pass to many Republicans in the conclusion, in a form of "less worse", the bulk of the book was limited in this regard and the conclusion avoided (though maybe not enough) endorsing them as the alternative so I unfortunately cannot rage about it. Another trick on me. If I have a major complaint it's that he didn't put enough of the big picture together on the original Progressive Era, he hits on a number of examples including the Temperance movement but he didn't delve into it like he did the Puritans so he missed the connecting tissues you can trace from the New England colonies through that period and on. I guess I can't entirely complain since he didn't promise to do this.

Since it's a "modern" politik book I looked at the negative reviews on Goodreads and laughed about all the people who missed the point and got very angry because it hit too close to home. Almost all of them completely bent out of shape about a single specific thing he mentioned to the exclusion of the overall thesis. Lots of opportunities to drink at the "it's called being a decent person" justifications for oppressing others. Best one attacked him for being "porn sick" and obsessed with "degrading pornography" because he mentioned on two pages feminist efforts to ban pornography. And one of those pages was merely contrasting those feminists with other social justice people who uphold sex work and everything related to it as revolutionary and important. I bet the sick freak was masturbating while he wrote it! The pervert!
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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 12, 2023, 09:06:32 AM
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Michèle Barrett and Mary McIntosh argue in The Anti-Social Family that while everyone deserves "love, kinship, and nice things to eat," the (mid-20th Century Western [British] concept of the) family is not necessarily the ideal way to obtain them. In four parts, they argue that the more a society depends on the family to provide these things, the weaker the society becomes at providing these things for all in an equitable way.

First published in 1982, the argument -- at times -- feels as modern and controversial as any contemporary leftist writing: "Marx and Engels may have called . . . for the abolition of the family, but socialists have long regarded this as a flight of utopian fancy." They acknowledge from the start that the book concentrates on a white, hetero-normative understanding of family and that this decision is both purposeful and yet lacking.

The next two parts are about defining this concept of family. They describe both how it only exists as a construct (i.e. the idea of the family as a natural phenomenon) and how that construct fails many -- especially those oppressed by it through unequal cultural and political means by the ideology of famialism -- namely women and children.

The third section is devoted to analysis of then-contemporary philosophy on family. This is in reference to Jacques Donzelot's "The Policing of Families" and Christopher Lasch's critique of it, but also references Freud and Focault. Having never read any of the texts I found this section difficult, but I appreciated the authors' style of critique -- naming both what they saw as flawed and what they felt should be praised despite those flaws.

The final section on strategies for change might be what most readers are eager to get to. In summation, they are that we should work toward any change that gives people choice in their living arrangements but that we should also be striving toward collectivism and away from individualism.

With that in mind, the personal politics they prescribe are thus:

1. Encourage variety. The authors take care here to list some alternative family structures that will likely not end familialism outright (like open marriages and women's separatism) but remind the reader that while it may be easy to dream up alternatives to the family, "it is even easier to ridicule other people's dreams."

2. Avoid oppressive relationships. Here they name what it seemed to me they were orbiting the whole book. "We believe socialists and feminists should not get married themselves and should not attend or support the marriages of any who can be convinced of our critique of family," (They make an exception for paper marriages as immigration loopholes.) Married myself, I still appreciated the point that "nobody, man, child, invalid, or woman needs a long-term 'house-wife' or has a right to one." After all, exploitative unpaid labor by any other name is still just that.

3. Beware of domesticity. They argue against making the home and the child-rearing life the sources of your deepest satisfaction. Homes should have private spaces for all occupants (including children who might be considered occupants with "full-membership rights.") If dad has an office, mom deserves one too (before devoting an empty room to the idea of future guests). Fight the idea that public spaces are simply places you shop for commodities to bring back to your private space. And what would a leftist book be without a hint to attend public meetings?

They list some things they think you should fight for, e.g. good wages for women and young people, much more robust social security, better housing for all, and parents' rights -- by which they mean not simply the limited choice to raise your child in a way that benefits the state (by producing a mild-mannered worker) but more that all parents should have the same choices for raising their child that the wealthy do.

There are as many great points in this book as there are less strong, outdated arguments by the nature of this book being 40 years old. The post-script, written in 1991, can be perhaps be summarized as "oops, we forgot about racism." But if we critique this book in the way they show how to critique interesting yet problematic texts, I think we will find much to appreciate even as we acknowledge what is missing or no longer relevant.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 12, 2023, 06:08:38 PM
Your reaction to Dresden is just about the polar opposite of what everyone else does. I couldn’t stand the first book, it looked borderline incel to me, and I was accurately told from the second book forward he begins shifting the character away from that. I have read through book 5 or six and enjoyed it, but haven’t been in a hurry to keep up.

Ya, I hear this, but I don't see it.

All 3 books have these mysterious lady's that show up and are playing Harry, and all three books he very detailedly description's of every woman's physique.

But at least book 1 had an avenging angel with a sword over his shoulder wanting to kill him if he steps out of line, gruesome horror murders, mafia showdowns and police stuff, fairy circles and wizard battles. It setup a lot of different lore things and executed them all together pretty well. The first book was more a horror noir and I like my horror.

Now it's just CW fantasy and the bad guys shout "I'm going to make you pay Dresden! (shakes vampire fist)" before they leave. Michael and his holy sword in book 3 is like no personality robot, but most of all Harry just sucks. Terrible lead and extremely unlikeable, plus a mi'lady type.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2023, 06:01:10 PM
I finished Dresden #3
The back half was better for sure, but man, I do not like this series and am getting out now for good.

#1 - I don't really enjoy Jim Butcher's writing style
#2 - I dislike how everything always constantly goes wrong and Harry's plans always fail and he almost dies like 42 times per book but LUCKILY somehow deus ex machina's out everytime until the very end 20 pages when his plan works and he wins
#3 - I just seriously hate the character of Harry Dresden. I hate that Butcher writes him as if he is some COOL BADASS WHITE KNIGHT DUDE ALL THE LADIES LOVE. Like his character feels like what the internet M'lady redditors want to be. Some dorky gumshoe who never backs down and is secretly a total badass saving the day every time. He's just kind of a gross unlikeable person. He's way too goodie two shoes and moral high points while being a total grandizing asshole. I don't want to read any more stories told from this character's point of view. In the back half Michael was a better character slightly (still has the same issue of moral high point and infallible, only this time with FAITH POWER) and Tom the vampire bastard was more fun than either of them but still pretty generic. Everyone in these stories is generic.

So my only remaining question about Dresden Files as a series is which came first? Bob or Planescape's Mort? Because one of them was obviously based on the other.
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Post by: chronovore on October 16, 2023, 09:49:02 PM
I need to read more Pratchett. I don't know which was first.

I suggest you also avoid Richard Kadrey's Sandman Slim. I made it 3 books in before the deus ex machina hit me so hard my head rang like a bell.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2023, 03:04:25 AM
Listening to Murderbot #3 Rogue Protocol and this is the funniest shit ever. I like how the novellas are getting more humor/less story.

I love Murderbot.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2023, 02:49:57 AM
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It's not exactly a straight forward history but each chapter has something more like a theme that ties in certain years or awards. For example there's chapters that involve the transition into talkies, Weinstein's campaigns to win awards, the Blacklist or New Hollywood. Only a couple chapters focus on any one Oscars award show, though only one really covers the presentation and show itself with the other focusing on the wrong winner getting named. Some of the reviews on Goodreads bitched that he provided too much background information to where the setup sometimes swamps the actual "Oscars drama" but I had no problem with that at all, many of those same reviews complained about the length of the book but that's also not something I generally complain about but yeah, it's almost 600 pages. I think the general aspect he takes of the Oscars within the context of the industry is the proper way to go and I don't really give a shit about it ruining the "mystique" and "drama" like who seriously thinks the Oscars are some kind of pure merit awards or some grand cultural event. The funniest part is that one of the worst and most cynical movie moguls of all time, Louis B. Mayer, was maybe the most serious of all the founders about it actually being that. He thought maintaining the legitimacy of the awards would help justify film as art which would ward off the attacks that began in the silent era (and have never left us) from conservatives worried about social justice that film was corrupting and from Satan unlike books or music or stage plays. All of which was bad for business.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 25, 2023, 02:02:30 AM
Finished Wheel of Time #3. Long fucking book where not much story happened and I still have no idea what the story of the series actually is.

It's kind of crazy to me that three huge long books in, the reader still has no idea what the plot of the series is. Obviously the "Dragon fights and defeats the Dark One" thing is a red herring, as evidenced by the end of every book having some bad guy go "you have no idea what's really going on", but like, again, asking an audience to go 90 hours of audiobooks in, with no real idea what the actual plot of the series is...sure, is something.

I give book #3 some credit for cutting the main character out of the book, that's kind of ballsy. Also since Rand was very whiney and annoying, removing him actually improved the book! Perrin was a much better lead and probably the best and most interesting character in the main PoV group.

I enjoyed it enough to keep reading and no one annoyed me greatly, even if there were definitely instances of Mat or the girls being annoying. I feel like Book #2 had more plot and was more exciting, but Book #3 had better character stuff. Book #3 has so little story. Basically just everyone finding their way to Tear, so the finale can happen.

Was a decent book. I was kind of iffy on continuing after book 1/2, but I'm at least enjoying it enough to be non-hate train onboard with it, even if I find it kind of really slow paced and a bit dull in the writing. I'm curious at where the real story is going. Hopefully books 4-6 which are supposedly the "great ones" go more into the bigger plot and get me more onboard.

Was doing one book per year, which means a 14/15 year read time, since they take me like a whole goddamn month to get through since they're so slow and long, but I guess if it picks up at book #4, maybe I'll start reading at least like two a year, so I can get through the series in 6-7 years.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 27, 2023, 04:58:36 PM
I got WoT #4 in the mail and started laughing hysterically

WoT #1-3 were BIG BOOKS, like 900-1,000 page books that took me a month to read and are like 30 hour+ audiobooks.
WoT #4 just grew another 30% page count. It's a fucking tome.

This series is scary  :lol
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: team filler on October 27, 2023, 08:10:51 PM
Have you seen the show? I know someone who read the books and they don't care for the show at all.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 28, 2023, 06:33:00 AM
I didn’t want to quote the whole benjipwns post but the Goodreads community is utterly cancerous in terms of comments and reviews. However there are some occasional insightful reviews and the books people have read in their profiles are fascinating at times, so it’s still worth participating in.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 28, 2023, 06:37:52 AM
I just use the site as a reading list. When you look at the ratings it'd seem like some shitty flavour of the week young adult novel is the best book of all time.

The site is basically useless on that front.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on October 28, 2023, 03:06:18 PM
Have you seen the show? I know someone who read the books and they don't care for the show at all.

From what I get, the show isn't the books. Because the books are insanely long and they don't have 30 years to adapt it in 15-20 seasons. So the show is it's own story picking plots/sub-plots/characters from the books and doing its own thing.

Because of this, some people who really like the books, hate it. And people who don't like the books see this as an improvement.

S1 of the show just on its own merits was a pretty mediocre CW kind of show. Not well directed, some iffy casting and story was kind of meh. I read the first book afterwards and the book, which had a pretty different story, was a lot better in comparison.

But I hear S2 was a big improvement in the show.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 28, 2023, 03:41:49 PM
Ok, finally spent me damn Audible credits so I can cancel this recurring charge until I catch up on audiobooks.

Grabbed:

Scalzi - Old Man's War + Starter Villain
Gaiman - Stardust (only novel of his I haven't read, though I've seen the movie version)
Illluminae - Some YA series that has good reviews and full cast audiobook
A Wizard's Guide to Defensive Baking by T.Kingfisher - Since I just finished The Twisted Ones by her and really enjoyed the light humor writing and want to read more of her stuff and that's a great title.

Was tempted to grab Hyperion and King's 2008 Duma Key, but both are super fucking long and I'd rather read physical for super fucking long because I get like 20 mins every few days maybe in audiobook progress (hence why the 3-4 hour Murderbot novellas still take me 2-3 weeks to get through).


I think I'm good on audiobooks for like 3 years now lol. Will resub to audible then.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 28, 2023, 03:45:25 PM
And yeah, I guess I forgot to give my write up of The Twisted Ones because I finished it in 2 days while on vacation.

Great fast fun horror/dark fantasy fan-fiction take on Arthur Machen's "The White People" with a bit of Lovecraft influence (Lovecraft made a comment about Machen's story and this book expands that comment into the basis for an original novel). Good lead character, great lead doggo  :doge, some creepy stuff, not too scary/horror overall, but just a quick enjoyable macabre tale. Reminds me of bit of Amensia a Machine for Pigs but if it was YA and told through a light humor lead.

It looks like all T.Kingfisher's novels are basically fan-fiction takes on established classics. Like she just won the 2023 Hugo for best novel for a book that's a re-telling of The Fall of the House of Usher. Will give that a read after I watch the latest show take on that story.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 28, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
I didn't even realize the final Skyward book is out in less than a month. Will be interesting to see that story to a conclusion soon.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2023, 03:46:39 AM
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Meh. It was okay to start when LeBron is a kid and then becomes a high school star, though the book explains everything with NO FATHER and curiously never mentioning the far more unique ONLY CHILD. But when he hits the NBA it basically becomes about the Business of LeBron and less and less basketball as it goes on. Trump gets more pages than the Cavs 2016 title run. There's essentially no criticism of LeBron in the book, Maverick Carter takes the fall for The Decision but generally his inner circle is treated as perfect too. The most insane thing is that this book came out this year but it ends with LeBron signing with the Lakers. The basketball talk is highly questionable at times, suggesting that the Cavs did nothing to surround LeBron with talent (except getting Shaq) when the 2010 team was pretty clearly better than the 2011 Heat. It took another year for the Heat to figure out how to surround LeBron and Wade with multi-position 3 and D guys rather than ancient veteran names. My favorite parts were mentioning a since deleted Marco Rubio tweet where he says Cleveland is never getting LeBron back a couple weeks before he went back and some classic Stephen A. Smith takes about how LeBron wasn't a leader and even that the Heat needed to break up the Big Three right before they won their title too.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on November 12, 2023, 11:21:34 PM
After enjoying T.Kingfisher's The Twisted Ones in her "adult" lineup (which still basically read like YA), I listened to the audiobook of one of her YA books, A Wizard's Guide to Defensive Baking

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I guess her YA line of books are for little kids. Like it was ok, but there was zero depth to anything and it was just kind of boring. Bad guys were bad, good guys were good, nameless bad scary barbarian army, pretty boy perfect general is just pretty boy perfect general, etc... there weren't any twists and there was very little defensive magic baking despite the title.

If I had a kid it'd probably be an ok read for them. It's not a bad book, but it's too simple and boring to enjoy as an adult. Will stick to her adult lineup of books.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 18, 2023, 04:10:34 AM
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A Darker Shade of Magic by V.E. Schwab.

Was ok, had a good setup but the actual plot in the back half was pretty by the books and shallow. The whole book also felt really inspired by Sanderson's Mistborn series to the point where it actually felt kind of derivative. I peeked around online about books 2/3 in this trilogy and I don't think I'm interested enough to read them.

I might read one of her other books though as I enjoyed the writing. Just need something a bit more adult or with some depth. It's weird to me when authors do this whole "I have one penname for my YA and one for my adult books" and I read the adult book and it's 100% YA. It's like there needs to be 3 levels of writing: kids, YA, adult.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2023, 06:37:17 PM
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It only gets worse. First of all, this guy writes like you'd expect an upper class British journalist named Simon Winchester to, especially constant personal digressions about conversations he's had that add nothing. It starts as an entirely superficial brief history of writing and schools before spending the entire second half worrying that we're at the end of knowledge itself. He refers to absolutely nothing from epistemology or the philosophy of knowledge or anything like it except an early reference to Marshall McLuhan's most widely known phrase. Essentially he reasons that thanks to Google there's no need to ever learn anything ever again since you can just type whatever you want in and it'll give it to you. As a result nobody will ever bother to learn anything. And so this is how history finally ends.

He laments the loss of elites who knew everything there is to know though he can't come up with any examples. He fears that allowing anyone to publish whatever they want will undo all the great achievements of the BBC forcing people to enjoy opera, that without elites giving people what they need to know people will only enjoy what they want to rather than what's best for them. The result will be an endless spiral to nothing. He laments the loss of polymaths preceding to give examples of some half of which he describes as learned in only a single thing and the rest who are reduced like Richard Feynman to the "guy who solved Challenger" (something he would have objected to) ignoring everything he himself wrote about philosophy of knowledge.

All this is despite opening the book with Socrates famous remark on knowledge that he seems ignorant of what it means. Additionally early on he absent mindedly mentions the most obvious objection, along similar lines as Socrates, to his thesis while fearing libraries will go away. Namely the curiosity of wandering the stacks and finding something you didn't know you wanted. How can you look up something on Google if you don't know what to look up? How can you know how to use what it tells you? Never does he ponder this in any way. His entire conception of how we "know what we know" is that someone tells us, learning is almost an entirely passive process in his imagination. He barely even approaches the idea that freeing up "knowledge" like using calculators frees you to know even more than you knew before, instead he only laments the "loss" of knowledge from being able to do math instantly whenever you want. He's excessively fascinated by how people navigated on the ocean and laments the knowledge that GPS has forever "destroyed", literally worrying that that the men moving shipping containers around the globe will no longer know how to find land as if everyone on the ships has always learned it and could use it at any moment. (He explains at length how he once went on a boat trip in the early 1980's in the Indian Ocean and the boat had a problem and needed to find the closest land so they got out the ancient Greenwich Mean Time Rolex watches and ancient up-to-date yearly ocean maps, you see.)

Finally, perfectly so, his conclusion ends with some classic conservative racism (though he identifies as a proper procrustean progressive including taking pains to introduce Trump and Brexit for no reason simply to explain that he doesn't approve of either) where he name drops a bunch of so-called backwards tribes from around the world (though curiously not the Amish despite their lack of calculators and Google) then imagines them remembering life "before white people began the slow but ever accelerating process of ruining our planet" and admonishing us that "the Earth is in peril; moderate your behavior and help maintain it in the condition that we inherited, long before you came." That ancient wisdom that says never advance out of step with the elite's divine knowing, it's sinful and we'll all pay for your sins. Though it makes you wonder why he laments all those unwashed out there who won't know anything but what Google tells them since we could just have the elite run Google so it gives people opera and ship navigation courses like they fucking deserve.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2023, 03:50:32 AM
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I liked it but it's basically about all the infighting of The New York Times from 1976-2016. Almost everybody in this book is both a journalist and a petty back stabber who is constantly plotting against everyone else. Except Arthur Sulzberger Jr. who seemed to think he was in charge of a newspaper for some odd reason. Every story about some journalism they do is really a setup for some drama that leads to people being forced to resign or something. Especially the failures like Jayson Blair and WMDs but even the successes are part of somebody's powerplay at some point. I liked the part where one of the guys who fails to catch Jayson Blair (who apparently was known to have a cocaine habit) worries about the internet allowing people to post stuff without oversight from editors and so wants the NYT to not really have a website except for telling people how to buy the print edition.

Like the LeBron book I mentioned above, this is a (late) 2023 book but it stops in 2016. Stuff like the 2020 revolt or how the NYT became financially viable on subscriptions from a self-described far-left audience is just mentioned in the epilogue.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on December 06, 2023, 04:44:47 AM
Finished Skyward #4 and yeah, I think Stormlight Archives #5 is fucked.

Skyward #4 was pretty junk. Maybe the worst book Sanderson's put out and Skyward #3 was already mediocre filler.

If you don't count Sanderson's 4 self-contained kickstarter books he wrote in 2020 and released this year, his output has been:

2020 - Stormlight #4 - weak
2021 - Skyward #3 - mediocre
2022 - Mistborn2 final book - bland and unambitious
2023 - Skyward final book - bland and tropey

I really think Sanderson is off his game and past his peak and unless something turns around his stuff is just going to keep getting worse and worse until it's not even worth reading. I think all his other stuff with running conventions and working on film/tv and other projects have really knocked down his writing ability.

Forget the prose, he's just not telling interesting stories anymore. Very disappointing.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on December 09, 2023, 01:51:33 AM
Murderbot #4 - Exit Strategy

Very good finish to the four novella series. Not much to say other than Murderbot is great. Give me more Murderbot any day.


I hope they are making a TV series out of this. And the TV series better have a narrator.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: Bebpo on December 09, 2023, 01:58:18 AM
I also appreciate that Murderbot #1-4's run is pretty much flawless. Not a bad story/cast in any of them. The first novella is the weakest for me because it took me a while to get into the style.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2023, 06:06:42 AM
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This was a good idea but is really bad execution. Although the thesis isn't really no mindblowing, Hong Kong worked because it wasn't China and allowed immigrants to get ahead because everybody was immigrants, especially the British who thought they ruled but really just held dinner parties and did little that was important. The problem is that half of it is about family trees of people that read like the begets in the Bible. And another good chunk involves referencing things in Hong Kong like the reader lives there and knows what the streets are or even where things used to be until recent construction. Lady, I'm trying to learn about Hong Kong so I obviously don't know any of this and your map in the book has like two things labeled! Also sounds like you could do a Deadwood like series on early Hong Kong where all the characters are brothel or bar operators plus smugglers and a bunch of British elite (many of whom are failures dumped there because of what they did back home or in the more important colony of India) who think they run the place.

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I liked this but it's not too entirely exciting if you want to hear about the technologies. It's written entertainingly at least and the guy talked to lots of people and unlike the other recent 2023 books I read didn't stop five years ago. Basically Walmart is slowly becoming Amazon and vice versa. In many cases literally as they've been poaching each others executives for a long time. My favorite part was how every single story about one of the companies buying some startup is the same, the owners want to cash out and not fight with bureaucracy, none of the bureaucracy knows what to do with the company now that they own it, it loses money and gets shut down or folded into existing operations with some executive giving an epigraph of "I think it still has value we can use down the road" and nobody ever hears from it again. It pairs fairly well with that Amazon Unbound book I read a bit back especially because it's one of the main sources but also because the book leans a bit more towards Walmart in its focus, presumably because those are the sources who were more willing to talk to him. Even as it's short it repeats a few things, one woman gets introduced twice just so she can semi-paranoid complain about Amazon trying to sell her stuff she's searched for. :lol
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Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2024, 11:45:24 PM
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finished Discworld #10 - Moving Pictures

Overall was good. I think I was going to be so-so on this until the end because it's kind of a long book for discworld and the middle, while entertaining, takes a while for much to happen and tend to
be just short riffs on Hollywood.

I do think it all ties together pretty well in the end, and the book is even a bit abstract in concept and Holy Wood dreams..., but there's some great characters in there like taking sausage seller
Dibbler from Guards!Guards! and making him a major characters as Cut Me Own Throat Dibbler here. And the talking animals. The opening was also a good hook. Overall solid book.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2024, 08:56:06 PM
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This is kind of like a slightly more lively textbook. It covers stuff with a few paragraphs, some things get a few pages. It's just sort of general history too, nothing too specific though the source list could be used for that since he claims basically every popular history work for the period as a source. That's fine but still somewhat disappointing because of the lack of any thesis or argument really.

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Exactly what it says on the tin and written fairly short for a "film fan" type of audience rather than history or business or whatever. As much as Hollywood is known for stuff like the casting couch, some of the stories in this struck me as possibly embellished legends and myths of Hollywood versus literally true. I'm not saying Darryl Zanuck didn't stand up from behind his desk to show his erect penis to people, I'm saying that from the person described in the rest of the book the skeptic in me wonders if this story was "improved" like the scripts he was famous for improving.

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I liked this well enough but the title is a complete lie. This book has almost nothing about anything in the title. Unless by Patriots vs. Loyalists you mean Ben Franklin and his loyalist son. And by "civil war" you mean them writing letters to each other until they stopped during the Revolution. There's an actual story here about this stuff, especially things like the illegal seizing of loyalist property, but the book sort of summarizes it on a few pages and spends the rest of its time talking about Ben Franklin, John Adams and George Washington doing the things you can read in any history about the Revolution.

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Great for me, horrifying for the normal type of person. I, of course, loved many of the descriptions of the kafka-esque system of doublespeak of the paranoid totalitarian state. One small section made me laugh because it sounded like it was describing the ResetERA.com staff rather than a real world totalitarian bureaucracy in terms of its obsession with irrelevancies over the proper purpose of the job.

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There's some enjoyable Fox News personalities gossip in this, especially about Hannity (while Tucker Carlson comes off as almost too normal to work there), but the overall thing is amusing in the negative way. First, did you know that the hit TV show Succession is based on the Murdochs? It is, and this is like a real life version of the hit TV show Succession. Second, it proudly talks about how they rushed this book to get it out in a "timely" fashion. The bulk of the book is focused around what will happen when Rupert Murdoch gives up control, which he literally did a couple weeks after the book was published lmao. Third, you may have noticed that Fox News did not end and still exists, the book never explains this or even attempts to suggest what it could allude to except for a brief mention of The Daily Wire raising $100 million and Tucker signing with Twitter. Which I think would argue less for Fox News being pushed out of a market and more that there's a market for 24/7 conservative and/or MAGA programming to an extent that even Fox wouldn't ever go to. Something that's not exclusive to Fox News but any cable news network in a more general way about how we all consume news, much as cable news both displaced and added onto the network news. Anyway, you know this Murdoch family drama sure is like hit TV show Succession. That makes sense since it's based on them, the hit TV show Succession that is, and the Murdochs. Lastly, this guy seemingly gets paid by the comma based on how many tortured overwrought sentences that are in this thing. His book about the Murdochs who were the basis for the hit TV show Succession.
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Post by: Bebpo on February 26, 2024, 11:45:12 PM
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This was a great novella. Mashup retelling of The Fall of The House of Usher and the Prisoner of Zenda and a few other bits.

Anyone that likes fun books with some macabre should give this a read.
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Post by: Bebpo on February 29, 2024, 09:06:11 PM
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Finished John Langan's Corpsemouth and other Autobiographies.

Pretty solid collection of weird horror. I preferred his other collection The Wide and Carnivorous Sky as well as his two novels The Fisherman and The House of Windows, but this was a solid B+ collection with some A- stories. His writing is a bit wordy, but his concept ideas are cool and all his writing is very well written.

There's a neat Dark Tower short story in there too.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 01, 2024, 04:15:13 PM
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Hide - A friend in my bookclub got this as a gift and recommended it for horror books. Read the whole thing in a single 4-5 hour session. It's alright. It's basically a 2 hour slasher Death Game kind of movie in book form. Bunch of kids in a shady "hide and seek" contest in an abandoned amusement park.

The kids are all shallow like your average horror flick, and the lore is solid but ending is a bit abrupt. Writing is mostly YA level. Was entertaining but pretty popcorn throwaway.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2024, 09:30:21 PM
I finished Scalzi's Old Man's War

I don't know if I just don't like Sci-fi or I just don't like Scalzi writing sci-fi.

This book was weird. It felt like it was directionless with no point other than to be a horror book about all the ways humans can die in space. The end swerve in the last quarter to give the book an ending point felt really fucking weird and I didn't like it. Basically main character runs into someone who was grown in the body of his dead wife's DNA clone, but is not his wife and it becomes this whole romance story about him basically putting his vision of his dead wife on her and her accepting that and wanting to be his wife and it was all kinds of gross and nonsense and then it ends.

Like the whole concept sorta bothers me and I don't get where Scalzi was coming from. If you took my DNA and made a clone and it lived its own life separately, it would be its own person. Maybe I'm the only one that just sees a body as a physical thing. Scalzi basically trying to make it like a person's personality is in their physical body, which I find really weird.
Title: Re: What book(s) are you reading?
Post by: chronovore on March 21, 2024, 05:59:38 AM
Well, the clone of his wife uses portions of her personality as the substrate for the Ghost Brigade specialist that uses it.

Sad you didn't enjoy it. I just re-read it recently and found it as charming as ever. An update on Heinlein's aesthetic, without all the pesky fascism.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2024, 11:59:14 PM
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I'll keep my remarks shorter than normal about these except one because they were fine. The Amazon book is the first part of the one I read last year or year before. Founding of Amazon up through Kindle or so. I just read it to be complete. A short comment about the Apocalypse Never book is this is from pre-pandemic, Shellenberger lost his mind and interest in the environment to be a lunatic about homeless people and drugs. It makes the one chapter ironic because he doesn't see how he's slipped into the very thinking he was condemning in it.

The book I have to comment on is the Buffy one which is just terrible. Dude writes endlessly about himself in that obsessed media writer style like people should care. He gives an overly long yet full of gaps summary of every season of the show where you learn nothing except which episodes he likes even if he only names them not tell you which they were. The main chunk of the book is dedicated to either whining about how Buffy fails to meet 2020s Twitter social justice standards for anything or handwringing about whether or not you can like Buffy considering Joss Whedon exists.

All the actors/show writers/set designers/etc. interviewed say "yes, of course you can, TV shows are not a single person." While everyone else media writers/podcasters/PhDs/politicians/etc. struggle with the idea that Buffy and Joss Whedon are not the exact same thing in every way. If you want to read this book to find out what Joss Whedon did that's so awful you won't learn it either because every single person says "it's not my story to tell." Which, great, thanks. The closest you get is someone recounting that Joss once said a mean joke about somebody during season five. The most absurd is that James Marsters mentions that Joss once got in his face during a discussion about a character point. Marsters immediately frames this as passion for the material and that he respected it and it helped him understand the point. The author asserts that Marsters is sympathizing with his dangerous abuser and likely has Stockholm Syndrome from how terrible Joss was to him. Which ignores not only what Marsters directly said but also earlier when Marsters talked about how before doing Buffy (and Angel) he thought TV work was just a paycheck, that the only real place you could do the craft of acting and have passion was on stage, so he did TV and Spike just for the money. But it was in doing Buffy that he realized just how much there could be in acting on TV. So to me, not the author, it sounds like Joss and James were connecting over shared passion for the work even if Joss may have been a bit of a jerk about it. The author denigrates this into James being abused by Joss.

The book actually never makes any kind of resolution about whether or not you can like Buffy since Joss Whedon exists. After pages and pages of this the author just simply says it means too much to him so he's not going to stop loving Buffy (although it sounds more like a stalker obsession with Sarah Michelle Geller) but he can't answer for anyone else. Wonderful, it was all useless.