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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1020 on: September 28, 2019, 03:21:34 PM »
Crash Dummy, we're going to hate read all of these  :vr
well that's a given right? i'm not enamoured by his methodology and i think you're being too kind with the evola comparison

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« Reply #1021 on: September 28, 2019, 03:24:57 PM »
i'm not enamoured by his methodology
ha, if you can even call it "methodology"
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I think you're being too kind with the evola comparison
Being kind certainly wasn't my intention. Julius Evola was a disgusting human being.
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« Reply #1022 on: September 28, 2019, 03:40:46 PM »
oh evola was a huge piece of shit, i didn't mean to make light of that and i don't think of him as just a slightly loony rightwing occultist but at least you get some insight into european fascism through his work; i genuinely don't see the value of moldbug at all

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« Reply #1023 on: September 29, 2019, 01:05:00 AM »
How about, The Conquest of Head, and it's an anarcho-PUA guide to having sex in communes
i want this written by someone like irvine welsh from the pov of those guys who go undercover investigating cults but by the end have joined the cult and are fully indoctrinated. the twist would be he's a deep state agent with a vd

The book would be called Mutual AIDS, and it starts off with the main character dropping off assault rifles in Venezuela for compradores.
so I saw an ad for the new Jack Ryan show again and, I gotta ask: Esch, are we gonna watch it? Because I think we have to hate watch it
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« Reply #1027 on: September 29, 2019, 11:29:14 AM »
new moldbug doing the rounds on twitter even anyone cares about nrx shit https://americanmind.org/essays/the-clear-pill-part-1-of-5-the-four-stroke-regime/

good lord that's some teenaged nihilism peppered with a grad student's latin
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« Reply #1029 on: September 30, 2019, 01:18:41 AM »
filler, what do you think this thread is?
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« Reply #1030 on: September 30, 2019, 02:02:13 AM »
He’s trying to make it readable.
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« Reply #1031 on: September 30, 2019, 03:12:47 AM »
all these threads meld together as tweet sharing threads anyway

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« Reply #1032 on: September 30, 2019, 09:17:20 AM »
filler, what do you think this thread is?
I can't read portugeuse  :trumps
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« Reply #1033 on: September 30, 2019, 11:34:36 AM »
^liked for zizek video, but those quotes reminded of something eric hoffer wrote about traits of leafers and makes me think we're not going to see the kind of leaders the writer of that article would like if people are vulnerable
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« Reply #1034 on: September 30, 2019, 11:52:21 AM »
filler, what do you think this thread is?
I can't read portugeuse  :trumps

Assimilate (PBUH) probably could :tocry

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« Reply #1035 on: September 30, 2019, 02:12:05 PM »
The social and economic issues inherent to liberalism are acknowledged as a constant factor throughout the history of liberalism, but there is no vision to resolve them aside from the application of Strong and Stable Leadership.
she also brings up an educative dimension though. The liberal fascination with heroes is completely pathetic, but the failure to form liberal citizens is a legit macro-problem and I find it really hard to believe that the over-prioritization of technical, professional education doesn’t have at least something to do with it. So I think she’s right about that much.

She’s also right about liberals failing to offer a compelling moral vision (I think we agree on this?). If you’re right, and liberals do actually offer a moral vision, I think it’d reduce to: empathy with the dispossessed and indigent. And I think where liberals fail in communicating this is in explaining why exactly empathy is owed to such people and how to identify them (and obv, what this empathy will amount to in material terms, but I think liberals do talk about this frequently). And I think those failures have been shown up by reactionary judo flipping of the terms of moral discussion by redefining desert and moral worth to redirect things like entitlements, state largesse, and party patronage towards hegemonic groups.

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Liberalism as a moral vision, at least under one construal, might just be inherently unstable, and at a pretty fundamental level. It starts from the twin assumptions of a free and equal citizenry and pluralism, or, everyone’s right to the pursuit of their own good (consistent with a set of everyone else’s right). It aims to defend both and how it manages to get off the ground is by placing the Right over the Good. Questions over what it would be good for everyone to do (sometimes called perfectionist theories) can’t be resolved by state coercion; that’s held as much by lockean propertarians on the right as it is by Rawlsian/Dworkinian market socialists on the left. What can be the object of legitimate violence is the policing of what’s owed to people as members of a free and equal citizenry. So the boundaries liberals draw for themselves wrt moral discussion are narrower than other groups who are ok with ditching pluralism. One example that I think articulates the implicit logic in a lot of liberal thinking is Shklars liberalism of fear. But this kind of defense of liberalism as the least worst option is obv not an inspiring moral vision. No one would die for it. While we’ve seen plenty of people kill for their particular illiberal visions.
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« Reply #1037 on: September 30, 2019, 10:55:59 PM »
Because people so often use "a truly remarkable story" in purely a positive connotation I was reading that tweet as approving of the valuable cost saving for taxpayers at first.

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« Reply #1038 on: September 30, 2019, 11:02:46 PM »
Hey Jake, the lost history of liberalism author:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1178146718380113920
It's true, the Justice on the far right of that picture had to recluse himself from a Supreme Court case because it stemmed from that time in California he had been arrested for murder. None of the justices today can inspire me like that.

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« Reply #1039 on: September 30, 2019, 11:04:04 PM »
Just like how they killed Gramsci :goty2
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« Reply #1041 on: October 01, 2019, 05:30:21 AM »
I've finally been reading Schumpeter's book on socialism since I brought it up a few pages ago.

"Perhaps some readers feel that a proviso should be added about the distribution of the total monetary income. Until about forty years ago, many economists besides Marx believed that the capitalist process tended to change relative shares in the national total so that the obvious inference from our average might be invalidated by the rich growing richer and the poor growing poorer, at least relatively. But there is no such tendency. Whatever may be thought of the statistical measures devised for the purpose, this much is certain: that the structure of the pyramid of incomes, expressed in terms of money, has not greatly changed during the period covered by our material—which for England includes the whole of the nineteenth century—and that the relative share of wages plus salaries has also been substantially constant over time. There is, so long as we are discussing what the capitalist engine might do if left to itself, no reason to believe that the distribution of incomes or the dispersion about our average would in 1978 be significantly different from what it was in 1928."

Oops! :heh
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« Reply #1042 on: October 01, 2019, 09:12:59 AM »
Hey Jake, the lost history of liberalism author:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1178146718380113920
It's true, the Justice on the far right of that picture had to recluse himself from a Supreme Court case because it stemmed from that time in California he had been arrested for murder. None of the justices today can inspire me like that.

And the guy that was killed was his predecessor on the California Supreme Court, who had been kicked out for killing a US Senator in a duel.
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« Reply #1044 on: October 01, 2019, 07:09:29 PM »
Lol. That's just lazy when you have Atlanta in your state.  :lol :lol

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« Reply #1045 on: October 01, 2019, 08:02:56 PM »
I just learned that technically, employment discrimination against CPUSA members is still perfectly legal because their exemption from title vii of the civil rights act was never repealed :lol

Would be an interesting court challenge  :hmm
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« Reply #1046 on: October 02, 2019, 10:36:50 AM »
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/39/19392.short?rss=1
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The Chinese Communist Revolution that culminated in the 1949 founding of the People’s Republic of China fundamentally transformed class relations in China. With data from a nationally representative, longitudinal survey between 2010 and 2016, this study documents the long-term impact of the Communist Revolution on the social stratification order in today’s China, more than 6 decades after the revolution. True to its stated ideological missions, the revolution resulted in promoting the social status of children of the peasant, worker, and revolutionary cadre classes and disadvantaging those who were from privileged classes at the time of the revolution. Although there was a tendency toward “reversion” mitigating the revolution’s effects in the third generation toward the grandparents’ generation in social status, the overall impact of reversion was small. The revolution effects were most pronounced for the birth cohorts immediately following the revolution, attenuating for recently born cohorts.
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« Reply #1047 on: October 02, 2019, 06:50:03 PM »


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My father was a devout libertarian. My dad was raised to be, is still, and will likely die a very rich man. He failed to ask for the perspective of the actual human beings who were being affected by the system he loved to complain about.

When my parents divorced two years ago, I was no longer constantly expected to uphold the same ideology as my father. I could express nonlibertarian opinions in my own home without being accused of being a socialist/communist sympathizer or an enemy of the poor. It was also the first time that I could openly question my gender, and I realized that I was (and still am) trans. I could say, as I always wanted to, that I wanted there to be laws in place protecting the LGBTQ+ community — my community — from workplace discrimination.

Then I got into the punk scene. That was like putting gasoline on a campfire. I had only known anarchism as the more extreme sect of libertarianism, anarcho-capitalism. I now understood anarchism to be much more vast than that. Anarchism inspired my belief that a just world could be created through communities that were wholeheartedly interested in and able to support their fellow people once they are no longer held down. In order to shift power from those that hold it, we need to destroy the pieces of the system that hold capital where it is. But if a politician were to introduce good policies, I would be in support of that.

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My politics have always been vaguely on the left, due in part to having a father who wrote songs about the war in Iraq and how he hated George W. Bush. I was brought deeper into politics by the 2016 Democratic primaries. Bernie Sanders stood out to me because he offered policies that would be beneficial to students and workers and was not afraid to use the word "socialism," something I didn't expect. I was frustrated by how everything turned out.

I started studying more history and reading theory. I could never understand why I should identify less with an Iraqi child than a U.S. soldier. I went to a few meetings of local organizations and demonstrations against ICE. I began to consider myself a committed leftist. I also listened to a lot of Phil Ochs.

I spent a few months in France in the fall of 2018, and happened to be there during the gilets jaunes (yellow vest) demonstrations, one of which I attended. It was the first truly mass demonstration I'd been to. I met many communists and anarchists in Paris. When I got home, I was determined to study as hard as I could. I read through [Karl Marx's] Capital, Volume 1, most of [Vladimir] Lenin's works, some [Peter] Kropotkin, [Rosa] Luxemburg, some [Leon] Trotsky, some works by historians, and many articles and online texts. I joined discussion groups and met a lot of other leftists.

I consider myself a Marxist but am still sympathetic to anarchism in the sense that I do think there is a meaningful distinction between libertarian and authoritarian conceptions of communism, and that the need to abolish the state must be emphasized. I'm still learning a lot, and I want to work with others to understand how to liberate humanity and abolish class society and wage labor.

I can't believe chapo trap house literally radicalized a significant portion of gen z
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« Reply #1049 on: October 02, 2019, 07:52:26 PM »
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« Reply #1051 on: October 03, 2019, 11:10:27 AM »
"Drops" was a bad choice of words. He's enacting it, not abandoning it.

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« Reply #1054 on: October 03, 2019, 09:33:22 PM »
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Asked to respond to Sen. Sanders’s comment that billionaires should not exist, Zuckerberg offered an unexpected viewpoint, considering his Facebook ownership makes him worth over $69 billion.

“I understand where he’s coming from,” Zuckerberg said. “I don’t know that I have an exact threshold on what amount of money someone should have but on some level no one deserves to have that much money.”
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« Reply #1056 on: October 04, 2019, 03:19:57 AM »
I remember Titan Quest :aah
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« Reply #1057 on: October 04, 2019, 08:41:49 PM »
I started reading Caliban and the Witch and on one hand there are a lot of really interesting ideas but on the other key parts of the history seem pretty shaky even to a layman like myself and it's souring me on the whole thing.
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« Reply #1058 on: October 04, 2019, 09:13:36 PM »
It's just disappointing that there wasn't a mass rebellion of witches against feudalism


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« Reply #1061 on: October 05, 2019, 03:02:10 PM »
nvm already posted bless up

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« Reply #1062 on: October 05, 2019, 06:17:59 PM »


Whatever this is, it is the opposite of Praxis.


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« Reply #1064 on: October 06, 2019, 02:02:53 AM »
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« Reply #1065 on: October 06, 2019, 02:49:30 AM »


Whatever this is, it is the opposite of Praxis.

I saw a clip yesterday of Michael Brooks getting ill at watching this :lol
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« Reply #1066 on: October 06, 2019, 03:59:41 PM »
I miss Kara  :(

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« Reply #1067 on: October 07, 2019, 02:49:08 AM »
Random thought but my problem with Jacobin even more than it's politics is that there needs to be a leftist publication somewhere between unreadably dense academic language on one hand and basic propagandising on the other and it consistently fails to be that.

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« Reply #1068 on: October 07, 2019, 10:04:51 AM »
Random thought but my problem with Jacobin even more than it's politics is that there needs to be a leftist publication somewhere between unreadably dense academic language on one hand and basic propagandising on the other and it consistently fails to be that.
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« Reply #1070 on: October 07, 2019, 04:26:44 PM »
https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1180575947856236545
What if the petty bourgeoisie were the most reactionary class? :ohhh

Wait, where have I heard that before? :hmm
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« Reply #1071 on: October 07, 2019, 08:59:47 PM »
To riff of this old post i went into a bookstore today and all the anarchist lit was thrown into a kook section. Kropotkin, Graeber, Bookchin etc next to books about peyote, magic, aliens and  LSD astral projection from the 60s.

There was a Western Philosophy section next to it with other left lit. The disrespect is real :whew

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« Reply #1073 on: October 09, 2019, 11:27:02 AM »
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« Reply #1075 on: October 09, 2019, 01:26:41 PM »


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« Reply #1076 on: October 09, 2019, 01:34:22 PM »
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« Reply #1077 on: October 09, 2019, 07:46:18 PM »
Random thought but my problem with Jacobin even more than it's politics is that there needs to be a leftist publication somewhere between unreadably dense academic language on one hand and basic propagandising on the other and it consistently fails to be that.
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« Reply #1078 on: October 09, 2019, 09:00:38 PM »
I'd catch a ball game with hitler  :smug
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« Reply #1079 on: October 09, 2019, 09:06:49 PM »
I'd catch a ball game with hitler  :smug
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