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« Reply #2760 on: December 29, 2016, 03:51:25 PM »
I've got nothing against American Jews or the people of Israel and want nothing more than for them to be able to live in peace with their neighbors, but watching Bibi implode over this issue gives me life.
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« Reply #2761 on: January 01, 2017, 07:18:56 AM »
Will 2017 see the end of the "Russia is playing well a weak hand" talking point ?
I've heard it across a collection of different observers and programs and while I don't disagree with the core of the statement, constant negging seems a bit of a childish & passive reaction.
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« Reply #2762 on: January 03, 2017, 05:02:07 AM »
omg how did i ever miss this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdStone
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« Reply #2763 on: January 03, 2017, 05:03:38 AM »


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« Reply #2764 on: January 03, 2017, 05:11:51 AM »
I really thought the Giant Stone Tablet was going to put them over. Now all of Milliband's staff seem to be resigning.
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« Reply #2765 on: January 03, 2017, 06:32:50 AM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-attack-idUSKBN14N0S8?il=0

Just a thought for the terrible Istanbul attack that happened on Nex Year's Eve.
It's been a terrible year for Turkey and the fact that post-crackdown, state of emergency has seen several attacks in Istanbul itself isn't really a good look. All the more if taking at face value Erdogan's statement, you accept those attacks were carried out by Gulen followers, PKK activists, Daech breaking an unofficial "truce" and an unhinged police officer.
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« Reply #2766 on: January 03, 2017, 09:55:30 AM »
It's been a terrible year for Turkey and the fact that post-crackdown, state of emergency has seen several attacks in Istanbul itself isn't really a good look. All the more if taking at face value Erdogan's statement, you accept those attacks were carried out by Gulen followers, PKK activists, Daech breaking an unofficial "truce" and an unhinged police officer.
The couple stories I saw about it on German news seem to emphasize how the gunman still isn't caught, likely for the same reasons. Enough to rub me the wrong way a bit, but hopefully not enough for anyone in the Turkish government to go "see, they want us to fail".
Though I shouldn't talk, given that I didn't bother to post about it.


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« Reply #2768 on: January 06, 2017, 04:38:43 AM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38528654

Russia withdrawing some of its forces from Syria ?
Smart move to get out at the possible highest point, I guess.
I get it that it feel like shit to admit it, but Assad the lesser will stay in place, won't he ?
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« Reply #2769 on: January 06, 2017, 08:17:14 AM »
hadn't watched one of these since she took over

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« Reply #2770 on: January 06, 2017, 08:39:26 AM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38528654

Russia withdrawing some of its forces from Syria ?
Smart move to get out at the possible highest point, I guess.
I get it that it feel like shit to admit it, but Assad the lesser will stay in place, won't he ?

We already did a fake Russian withdrawal. The carrier is leaving before it catches on fire.

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« Reply #2771 on: January 06, 2017, 11:13:27 AM »
French President Hollande, making his 2017 to the armed forces in Mont-de-Marsan in the Landes, said that he wanted the defence budget to reach 2% of the yearly budget. It currently stands at 1,8% and his administration did make some efforts to avoid some cuts (obviously in the wake of the Paris attacks doing anything else would have been a bad idea).

French armed forces have been long under strain especially in procurement, with hardware divided between top of the line systems in the front and some old old stuff at the rear (some copters, APC, tanks...), the most recent arm systems being kept in rather middling numbers : An example might be that France only maintain a single aircraft carrier when she had two previously, with all the downtime in dock it implies. Or the long awaited replacement of the standard assault rifle (at last going on with a contract won by H&K, France mass small arms industry having died a few decades ago).

Some traditional weaknesses have lingered, like limited air cargo capacities (Just like over Dien Bien Phu !) and any prolonged air bombing operation seems to call for quick delivery of new bombs by the USA. Drone capacities have been neglected at one point though things are speeding up here with French crews becoming autonomous to use the bought Reapers (recon only IIRC) and the defence industry finally on track.

The force is also fairly active with thousands projected on a permanent basis in overseas territory, peacekeeping, Africa and the recent Abu Dhabi base. France has conducted over 200 military expeditions since 1963 and following the Paris attacks the infantry has been deployed on patrol missions on the metropolitan territory despite the dubious efficiency.

Something that might have contributed to this intent to finally reach 2% is the fact that earlier this year it was estimated that France must plan on spending an additional 50 billions over 20 years to maintain, modernize and replace her current nuclear deterrent (including new submarines and new missiles).

Reaching 2% was long overdue, especially considering how prospects became more somber and the fact that EU defence will long continue to rely on willing members (France is daydreaming it can get some financial relief for its military expeditions supposedly beneficial to the EU, like the Sahel security operation, but it's a bit of a fantasy. Germany seems to be getting slighty more proactive on those issues though).
 
It doesn't signal any major overhaul however : it can maintain the force at the level it should roughly be, and still at the lower end of the scale of the latest strategic review.
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« Reply #2772 on: January 06, 2017, 11:15:51 AM »
2% lol

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« Reply #2773 on: January 06, 2017, 11:36:09 AM »
2% lol

Well :yeshrug
France is still in the top 10 of military spenders in absolute and per capita terms, so you know.
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« Reply #2774 on: January 06, 2017, 11:43:10 AM »
2% of the us budget would drop us to third behind China and Saudi Arabia :usacry

but still above Russia :american

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« Reply #2775 on: January 06, 2017, 11:57:06 AM »
Happy France is stepping up to the level of Poland, Estonia, Greece
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« Reply #2776 on: January 06, 2017, 12:07:21 PM »
2% of the us budget would drop us to third behind China and Saudi Arabia :usacry

but still above Russia :american
Russians don't really need to spend much.  A lot of their equipment is built to last and still works.  Take Cherno Alpha for example.  It's the only Mark-1 Jaeger still in service and has been hugely successful.  Under guard by Sasha and Aleksis Kaidonovsky the Siberian Wall went unbreached by a Kaiju for six years.

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« Reply #2777 on: January 06, 2017, 12:18:58 PM »
I didnt get it till Siberian Wal and Kajiu :lol

I was like, I don't know any weapon system called jaeger in russia has mupepe gone senile?

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« Reply #2778 on: January 06, 2017, 12:29:02 PM »
Happy France is stepping up to the level of Poland, Estonia, Greece
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As I said, it is my opinion it is overdue and that's mostly the level it needs to be at to keep current capacities which are still needed. But money doesn't grow on trees.

However, if I understand this correctly, those numbers (the one used by NATO) do factor in pensions and healthcare. And nuclear-armed countries like France, Great Britain and the USA do spend quite a lot on their deterrence (It's estimated to account for 10 to 20% of the French budget, roughly). So on purely conventional forces the number is quite a bit lower. EDIT : It also probably includes for France the Gendarmerie force, in charge of law enforcement outside of urban centers.

Within the limits of national sovereignty, the way forward to leverage better bang for the buck is probably to work at increased polling of resources... within or outside NATO. It would probably work better with a more solid and smaller core of states.
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« Reply #2779 on: January 06, 2017, 03:00:23 PM »
A Euro army is long overdue, I imagine the core to be Germany and Poland with smaller neighbours joining too. Dunno if France would accept German lead here

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« Reply #2780 on: January 06, 2017, 05:32:05 PM »
2% lol

Quite dumb yeah. All that taxpayer money wasted on stupid stuff like education and healthcare  :teehee

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« Reply #2781 on: January 06, 2017, 05:33:04 PM »
2% lol

Quite dumb yeah. All that taxpayer money wasted on stupid stuff like education and healthcare  :teehee

A Euro army is long overdue, I imagine the core to be Germany and Poland with smaller neighbours joining too. Dunno if France would accept German lead here

I think they'd have to convince the german people first.

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« Reply #2782 on: January 06, 2017, 06:59:08 PM »
A Euro army is long overdue, I imagine the core to be Germany and Poland with smaller neighbours joining too. Dunno if France would accept German lead here

A Euro army, as in one where forces of two or several nations are integrated/meshed under a single political command, is not happening anytime soon bar being imposed by necessity (actual war). Article 5 of the NATO charter has some wiggle room to that effect, with each member state deciding what is the appropriate assistance to give to its allies.

It's all a bit of a pipe dream. Polling means in logistics (and procurement) is a much more reasonable objective and a huge force multiplier. The modern EU have in part its roots in the Allied Maritime Transport Council after all.

Also Germany cannot provide the backbone of European military effort as long as it hasn't come to terms with its own past and doesn't develop more of an habit at projecting force (though there's been some progress with the Afghan mission and increased participation in peacekeeping). So far Germany is still living the dream (both admirable and incomprehensible this side of the Rhine) of being a civil superpower. I'm not sure I'm too eager to see them transition to a more classical conception of international might, too.
Shooting non-whites while simultaneously lecturing them about the superiority of our ways (which at its core is still what we're doing now) is an art, one at which France and Great Britain have been at for several centuries now and are still very proficient in.

EDIT : Realistically, the only two cores making sense now is France-UK or France-Germany. I'd prefer the former, but the latter is most likely because it's still one of the major working axis in the EU.
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« Reply #2784 on: January 07, 2017, 01:27:03 PM »
That piece has more depth than the usual fair but the problem with it and others like it is reductionist hindsight analysis. Gulf States foreign policy not producing desired outcomes does not mean everything they did with reckless or stupid.

The conclusion especially is melodramatic:

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The attempt by Saudi Arabia and Gulf oil states to achieve hegemony in the Arab and Sunni Muslim worlds has proved disastrous for almost everybody.

I am not intending to defend the Gulf States, but that opinion piece reads like Russian propaganda. Obviously lots of actors have contributed to the state of the Middle East, so what benefit does Cockburn get from attributing all the problems on the Gulf States?

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« Reply #2785 on: January 11, 2017, 09:10:54 PM »
isidewith added other countries beyond just English speaking ones (though they have English versions of the polls...since like same data and all) for this year, it also now saves your responses (even temporarily as a guest if allowed to) for questions that are the same across countries (same-sex marriage, abortion, general questions about taxes, etc.)

i'm even more out of touch with French politics than UK politics than US politics

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45% Democratic Movement
43% The Republicans
40% New Centre
39% Left Front
38% Left Party
37% Socialist Party
37% The Greens
34% National Front

UK has the same nice flat distribution:
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51% Conservative
50% UKIP
49% Green
48% Labour
46% Liberal Democrat

the other "big two" nations that are holding elections this year:

Nederlands:
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46% People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy
41% Democrats 66
38% Socialist Party
34% Party for Freedom

Deustchland:
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60% Free Democratic Party
43% The Left
41% Alliance '90/The Greens
40% Christian Democratic Union
37% Social Democratic Party
37% Alternative for Germany
36% Christian Social Union in Bavaria

Also New Zealand is supposed to:
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51% ACT
48% Green Party
42% Labour Party
38% National Party
29% New Zealand First

Moving into no scheduled 2017 election nations Spain is a lot like France:
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48% Citizens
45% United Left
44% United We Can
42% Union, Progress and Democracy
42% People’s Party
39% Socialist Workers’ Party
39% Popular Unity

outside of FDP, the highest party in any other country seems to be the Brazilian Social Democracy Party at 53% and Fine Gael at 54% :doge

worst country total seems to be Mexico with no party over 39%
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39% National Regeneration Movement
37% Institutional Revolutionary Party
33% National Action Party

for the US record (which has like three times as many questions as any other country):
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87% Libertarian
51% Constitution
48% Green
48% Republican
48% Socialist
44% Democratic
33% Working Families
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« Reply #2786 on: January 11, 2017, 09:32:57 PM »
also, if you score a really high match with Gary Johnson (95% or higher...to pick a...random...number) it should ask "What is Aleppo?" before showing your results

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« Reply #2787 on: January 13, 2017, 06:53:41 AM »
The first televised debate for the Socialist primary was held in France, but I didn't watch it so :yeshrug
Less successful ratings than the right wing debate.

Apparently the headline item was Benoit Hamon proposal for a Universal Revenue that would reach, ultimately, 750 euros per person. Not a very popular proposition with the other candidates, which are either questioning its funding or playing the work ethic card. Hamon, alongside Montebourg, is also being vocal about partly repealing the recent labor law reform.

Otherwise, there was wide agreement about education and security, most of the candidates being OK with "targeted strikes" on suspected terrorists abroad (France is not unlike the US with regards to this, a large discretion on the use of armed forces is allowed to the President and there's a cultural acceptance of normalcy in our involvement abroad). There was debate on extending once more the state of emergency. Something I find completely absurd -it's obviously meant to be used for emergencies, the shorter the better and it's really a half-assed one which seems mainly to be used out of the convenience of relaxing checks and balance on police action- but which sadly could continue. Following the series of attacks in 1995 by GIA cells, France enacted the Vigipirate plan (deployment plan for security forces, public coordination and a few measures like blocking parking in front of schools and sensitive public buildings) which was originally a temporary thing but has never been stopped.

Vincent Peillon made the mistake of mentioning that one of Mohamed Merah's victim was of "muslim origin", an expression that didn't fly too well with some of the commenters.

Considering that pollsters didn't really caught the Fillon wave in the Republicans primary (though registered in the last days that his score was rocketing), polls should be taken with a grain of salt. But apparently the perceived trend is that Valls is leading with 35%-40%, followed by both Hamon and Montebourg around 20%. However as it is a two-round election (unless a candidate get 50% + 1 in the first round) and given that Montebourg and Hamon have been in informal talks since before the primary and are holding somewhat similar lines, it's expected to be a rather close competition between the former Prime Minister and whoever representing the more leftist wing would come second.

So far polls say that the Socialist candidate, whoever he is, could only place fifth in the first round of the presidential election, trailing behind independent center-left E.Macron and radical-left J.L.Mélenchon. Valls would get 11% and all the other potential socialist candidates are polling below closer to 6% which would be a disaster close to the horrendous 1969 election (G.Defferre 5%) which prompted the transformation of the SFIO (French Section of the Worker's International, founded in 1905) into the Socialist Party. Some are already predicting that a similar implosion of institutional left is looming over the horizon.
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« Reply #2788 on: January 13, 2017, 10:43:57 AM »
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"Engineering graduates are more likely than. . .other disciplines to channel frustrations into violent extremism"

http://politicalviolenceataglance.org/2017/01/11/the-liberal-arts-as-antidote-to-political-extremism-in-the-middle-east/

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« Reply #2789 on: January 13, 2017, 11:01:03 AM »
Let me guess, there are barely any women getting engineering degress?  Sexual frustration as fuel for extremism. Pretty sad reflection on our fellow penis-havers.

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« Reply #2790 on: January 13, 2017, 11:21:36 AM »
I think that Freudian sexual frustration as a catalyst for extremism hypothesis is mostly touted by journalists and laymen like Bill Maher. Multiple studies suggest the number one reason for radicalization is friends/a sense of belonging (though no one considers them conclusive).

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« Reply #2791 on: January 15, 2017, 03:05:51 AM »
Philippines' Duterte says he may impose martial law if drug problem 'virulent'

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"If I wanted to, and it will deteriorate into something really very virulent, I will declare martial law," he said.
"No one can stop me," he said, referring to the Supreme Court and Congress.
"My country transcends everything else, even the limitations."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-drugs-idUSKBN14Z02O?il=0

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« Reply #2792 on: January 15, 2017, 03:13:31 AM »
Well, that didn't take long...

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« Reply #2793 on: January 15, 2017, 02:25:19 PM »
it's time to stop worrying about outdated concepts like laws and separation of powers

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« Reply #2794 on: January 15, 2017, 06:23:14 PM »
Thanks, American-led war on drugs

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« Reply #2795 on: January 15, 2017, 11:56:31 PM »
it's time to stop worrying about outdated concepts like laws and separation of powers
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« Reply #2796 on: January 17, 2017, 07:31:11 AM »
The UK will leave the single European market, as announced by PM May. I'm no expert but it always seemed to me it was a foregone conclusion once you basically put yourself in a position where you can't agree to free movement of people.

The UK will of course try to replace it with some sort of decent deal. It also wants to keep cooperation up to current levels in border control, customs, security & intelligence sharing.

Apparently the plan is if possible to layer the transition, in different domains at different lengths, out of the EU. So as to be orderly without being lulled into permanent transitional status.

Best of luck to the British, I'm (sort of) glad someone else is biting the bullet of trying to scale back some of the globalization and I find the extreme pessimism (borderline gloating) a bit ridiculous.
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« Reply #2797 on: January 17, 2017, 10:09:09 AM »
I don't understand the "oh noez, globalization" sentiment. This is nothing new, it started the day humans stopped being mostly isolated tribes. So we're talking some millenia here. Fast, affordable international transport and the internet pretty much finished making this a foregone conclusion. There's no going back.

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« Reply #2798 on: January 17, 2017, 10:36:58 AM »
Its because the western middle class people know it means erosion of their wealth and comfy life

People that benefit:
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-people in poorer countries
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« Reply #2799 on: January 17, 2017, 03:32:51 PM »
It's not "globalization" that hurt the middle class, it's a national issue. Every. Damn. Time.


Anyway, got around to listening to her speech. Fairly hilarious, as expected. It's besically Trump 2.0 with a british accent and less offensive rambling.

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« Reply #2800 on: January 18, 2017, 06:31:31 AM »
Over thirty dead in a car bomb explosion in Gao, Mali.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38663693

A point of context that may be important : joint patrols of the army and some of the opposition groups in Northern Mali are being implemented, painfully slowly, hopefully to lessen tensions and improve security.
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« Reply #2801 on: January 19, 2017, 09:08:42 AM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-may-businesses-idUSKBN15316P

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« Reply #2802 on: January 19, 2017, 09:44:52 AM »
Lol step out of the EU because of open borders, then ask multinationals to restore faith in globalisation.

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« Reply #2803 on: January 19, 2017, 01:05:49 PM »
BLM keeping up the good work.

http://www.servingwithpride.ca/news-release

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Tuesday, January 17th, 2017 marks a dark day for LGBTQ Law Enforcement professionals in the province of Ontario, the provincial capital and Canada’s largest city, Toronto. We are deeply disappointed and saddened by the Toronto Pride ruling to disallow uniformed police officers and floats in future Pride parades.

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« Reply #2804 on: January 19, 2017, 02:17:48 PM »
Thought that would end up in the cop thread, not here.

Yeah, the Canadian off shoot of BLM is a little way crazy.
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« Reply #2805 on: January 19, 2017, 02:58:07 PM »
My bad, forgot that whatever happens in Canada doesn't really belong in the international politics thread.

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« Reply #2807 on: January 19, 2017, 04:14:18 PM »
http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-to-order-mps-to-vote-to-trigger-article-50-10734496

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Jeremy Corbyn said the party "respects the decision of the British people" to leave the European Union and "we will not block Article 50".

He said his MPs would be asked to vote to officially trigger Article 50, which will start Brexit negotiations with the EU and set the clock ticking on the two-year departure deadline.


Well...


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« Reply #2808 on: January 19, 2017, 09:39:01 PM »
My bad, forgot that whatever happens in Canada doesn't really belong in the international politics thread.

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Kevin O'Leary, the business man-turned-reality TV star, announced Wednesday that he will stand in the now 14-person race to lead Canada's Conservative party.

The winner will likely challenge current Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in the country's 2019 federal elections.

"Canadians need a Prime Minister with a smart plan to kick start the economy; a Prime Minister who supports small businesses, who will fight for hard working Canadians and will stop wasting our money," O'Leary said in a statement on why he's running.
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« Reply #2809 on: January 20, 2017, 10:38:54 AM »
Canada aboot to get their own Trump?

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Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
« Reply #2810 on: January 20, 2017, 06:15:00 PM »
So, Germany anointed "Leader of the free world"™ today at 12:00...

Two german men are sitting on a bench outside of Frankfurt Börse :
- Did you hear there was a game of American Football yesterday ?
- No Helmut, and what was the result ?
- The Green Bay Packers won 34 to 31 over the Dallas Stars
- And is it good or bad for German car exports ?


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Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
« Reply #2811 on: January 22, 2017, 11:57:22 AM »
Filipino police kidnaps & kills South Korean businessman : Duterte stands by the head of police.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1560U0?il=0
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Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
« Reply #2812 on: January 22, 2017, 03:08:04 PM »
French Socialist primary first results are in :
Benoît Hamon 35,21 %
Manuel Valls 31,56%

Montebourg 18,7%
Vincent Peillon (6,48%), François de Rugy (3,49%) , Jean-Luc Benhammias (2,1%) et Sylvia Pinel (1,6%).

Hamon being so high is a mild surprise. My hunch is that his basic income / universal revenue support helped him. I'm skeptical it can be done but at least it's a real idea with an implicit alternative project for society, and god knows people are desperate for this. It helped him appear as the real champion for the left wing of the party and from there it's not shocking he's in the same bracket as Valls as the two trends within the party are fairly of equal weight.

And Valls maybe suffered from negative votes : Lots of people do not stand him.

Montebourg may appear as a kingmaker but wisdom is that quite a few of his voters will go to Hamon no matter what.

Turnout is between 1,5 and 2 millions. Less than in 2011 and less than the right wing primary held last year but not a disaster (though certainly a sign of the fatigue with Socialist governance).

Run off between Hamon and Valls next week.

Whatever the result, the PS candidate is between a rock and a hard place since it is currently trailing last of the three major candidates on the left. Macron is adamant on being an outsider and Mélenchon is all about rejecting the traditional compromises, so there's no easy deal to make, beyond the fact the PS would not stomach being a junior partner.

Edit :
Montebourg is calling for his supporters to vote Hamon.
Peillon didn't give any instruction.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
« Reply #2813 on: January 22, 2017, 10:41:15 PM »


Do you deport them or string them up by their balls?
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« Reply #2814 on: January 23, 2017, 02:24:46 AM »
Do you deport them or string them up by their balls?
Neither. The perpetrators are often too young to get jail time and if they're from an unstable country then we can't deport them.

Lately we've had several incidents where young Afghan men rape even younger Afghan men and the authorities are largely ignoring the problem.

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« Reply #2815 on: January 23, 2017, 05:19:57 AM »
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Do you deport them or string them up by their balls?


What are we looking at here?

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« Reply #2816 on: January 23, 2017, 12:12:03 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-22/china-slams-western-democracy-as-flawed-as-trump-takes-office
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China’s state media used Donald Trump’s inauguration as U.S. president to warn about the perils of democracy, touting the relative stability of the Communist system as President Xi Jinping heads toward a twice-a-decade reshuffle of senior leadership posts.

With ministries and senior officials stressing unity as a priority for China, smoothing the path for the party’s congress in the fourth quarter, state media were quick to highlight divisions within America shown by Trump’s elevation, without necessarily directly referencing the new president.

Democracy has reached its limits, and deterioration is the inevitable future of capitalism, according to the People’s Daily, the flagship paper of China’s Communist Party. It devoted an entire page on Sunday to critiquing Western democracies, quoting former Chairman Mao Zedong’s 1949 poem asking people to "range far your eyes over long vistas" and saying the ultimate defeat of capitalism would enable Communism to emerge victorious.
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the People’s Daily also used Trump’s inauguration weekend to tout the benefits of China’s political system. "The emergence of capitalism’s social crisis is the most updated evidence to show the superiority of socialism and Marxism," it said.

"Western style democracy used to be a recognized power in history to drive social development. But now it has reached its limits," said another article on the same page. "Democracy is already kidnapped by the capitals and has become the weapon for capitalists to chase profits."


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Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
« Reply #2818 on: January 23, 2017, 02:51:15 PM »
also it looks like the website in her profile links to a swedish nationalist website... :doge

Far-right activists in France, and I would suspect all of Europe, made an habit of propagating those stories (generally through their own "webpress outlets" applying the expected spin) for well understood reasons.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
« Reply #2819 on: January 23, 2017, 03:51:46 PM »
Yeah, that lady is super nuts. I wonder where MTW found the original picture.