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« Reply #3420 on: September 18, 2017, 11:56:55 AM »
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« Reply #3421 on: September 18, 2017, 02:11:28 PM »
Such big talk for people who end up doing nothing.
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« Reply #3424 on: September 22, 2017, 04:39:05 AM »
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« Reply #3425 on: September 22, 2017, 05:19:45 AM »
And with Trump lambasting the Iran deal, he's also weakening his diplomatic options to get out of this NK crisis.
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« Reply #3426 on: September 22, 2017, 05:23:04 AM »
Time to stock up food and fuel boys

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« Reply #3429 on: September 22, 2017, 03:53:56 PM »
So a small update on French politics :

- Though Macron had a lot of missteps, fact is that on the labor reform he played the union for fools. The CFDT (in short, Christian Democrat tradition) was already on board as the most reform inclined union (they're big on "more democracy inside companies"). Macron sort of snobbed them and mollified the leader of FO by having the most secret meetings with him. As a result, only the communist CGT is calling for protests. A memo written by all 3 major unions has leaked with all sorts of "red lines" they agreed upon and most of them have been crossed. The leader of FO had a rough meeting with his council and the CFDT accepted very watered down baby steps for "work democracy" (smoothed a bit by he fact they're apparently the biggest union in the private sector since last week). Macron even reintroduced some of the most controversial bits of the reform attempted last year, like having a ceiling to the indemnity a labor court can award an employee over his firing. The truth sadly is that there's a lot of weariness and people are tired of protesting every 6 months. But people are pissed too and the unions are never seemed so useless and out of touch as of now.

- By the way, it's not a reform (because our wise president stated that France cannot be reformed) but a "transformation" or a "revolution" according to the majority.

- So 10 days ago the big discussion was whether the 12 September protest (jointly managed by the CGT and Mélenchon's party of la France Insoumise) was a flop or a hit. It drew a similar crowd to 2016 protest and considering only one major union (against 3) are calling for it this time around, it was well above average.
Alas, as you can guess, opposition is a mess : CGT can't suffer Mélenchon anymore, Communists can't suffer Mélenchon anymore (he made a big show of his absence at the Fête of the Humanité, the communist yearly festival -top billing Iggy Pop-, the 1st Secretary had a few choice words for that who created a furor) so Mélenchon is having his solo protest tomorrow. Former Socialist candidate for the Presidency Benoit Hamon (now an independent) still can suffer Mélenchon and will be there Saturday. Much to the delight of Mélenchon that couldn't help himself, however, to remind that if Hamon had forfeited his bid, Mélenchon would have been Président de la République  ::).

- The Socialist party is selling its headquarter building in the Solférino street (which they bought in 1981), close to the National Assembly, to save their cash flow. They should move into Paris suburbs.

- Right wing LR is a mess, with dissident conventions all over the place. It seems the next party head will be Laurent Wauquiez, yet another living dead "Sarkoboy" so expect more explicit dogwhistles to the far right soon.

- Florian Philippot just left the far right Front National. I probably talked about him quickly before but in short : he's young (born 1981), his parents worked for publcic schools, he graduated from some of the best schools (ENA, HEC, Dauphine) directly into the nobility of career public servants, he drifted from supporting former Socialist / Left independent "sovereignist" Chevénement (and even, according to wiki, attending to Mélenchon's meeting in Paris in 2005) to joining the far right party and Marine Le Pen's inner circle in 2011. He was a prominent figure of the "FN cleaned of its black legend" but with the thorough discredit suffered by Marine Le Pen in the campaign (people, including her supporters, are still speaking to this day of her horrible performance at the debate), she is returning to appeal openly to her party's base of racists she pretended not to see.
Philippot bailed with a handful of office holders and a few others to fund hiw own micro-party. The FN survived bigger splits in the past and might well be in a strong position come the next major national election but they're headed for a couple of rough years.

TLDR : Macron is a megalomaniac, Mélenchon is a dick, Socialists are clinically dead, the conservatives and far right are experiencing molecular division.
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« Reply #3430 on: September 24, 2017, 05:42:37 PM »
Merkel got back into office but her party dropped 8 points, her partner SPD dropped to its lowest point post World War II and the far right AfD came into the government for the first time with 87 seats. The SPD has broken away from the grand coalition to be the official opposition party in part cause of their poor showing and not to have the AfD be the official opposition party.


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Turnout was up on the previous election, public broadcaster ZDF reports: from 71.5% to 76.5%. And here’s the broadcaster’s latest projection for the number of seats each party will hold in the Bundestag:

CDU/CSU: 218

SPD: 138

Left: 60

Greens: 60

FDP: 68

AfD: 87

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« Reply #3431 on: September 24, 2017, 06:12:48 PM »
Apparently not the best results for Macron or any Eurozone reform...
Wasn't the AfD supposedly in disarray ? Incredible how the same mistake is made again and again.
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« Reply #3432 on: September 24, 2017, 07:40:17 PM »
Wasn't the AfD supposedly in disarray ? Incredible how the same mistake is made again and again.
Leadership shuffles, questionable personell and all minor scandals obviously didn't matter enough. The refugee crisis and the most recent terror attacks are still fresh in people's memory. The perceived failure of the established parties to deal with these is probably what accounts for most of their gains.

Keeping their newfound support is going to be much harder. Now they actually have to deliver solutions, which is where I hope their dysfunction at the core will come to bear. Merkel has already announced that they will take a very lose look at the causes, but I don't know if her government undermining them in the usual manner (appropriating their positions and policies) is going to work this time.

At least we're avoiding another great coalition. Maybe this time the SPD wakes up to how much lasting damage Schröder caused.
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« Reply #3433 on: September 24, 2017, 07:56:23 PM »
Yeah that old brand of Socialism is pretty much dead under this form and there's no reviving it.
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« Reply #3434 on: September 25, 2017, 01:30:04 AM »
German polling was mostly stagnant because like most of Yurop only a few pollsters continue polling outside the declared election dates, so when SPD collapsed in the Spring there were tons of misallocated voters. They got lucky because the AfD surge started right as everyone else hopped back into polling.

Either YouGov or somebody else said months ago that the polls they were putting out essentially made no logical sense unless there was a AfD surge (or even larger FDP one) hiding in the "Others", because the SPD collapse didn't boost either Linke or Greens but also didn't change anyone else's rank. Statistically we should have seen one of the groups leapfrog the others even if temporarily, that was both AfD and FDP and it showed up late in the polls to where I think YouGov said a CDU-FDP with AfD support was the most likely projected coalition last week. (They do them with every set of parties even ones that realistically would never actually form a coalition.)

That SPD collapse at the start of the year was something else in terms of polling and nobody in the English media was paying any attention to it. (My major issue with Nate Silver and co. is how little they pay attention to non-English elections they aren't paid to cover. Not Nate but one of the others who bombed 2016 hard said once there's no info to be gained from them, but there is if your model cares about tracking small trends across multiple elections. Which is what the U.S. holds during its "national" elections...)

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« Reply #3435 on: September 25, 2017, 01:41:56 AM »
New Zealand had a last minute "reversal to the right" as well, but I think it actually was people voting for Labour which took out the smaller parties they voted for in recent elections. It's the fewest parties in Parliament since 1996 and the Greens lost half their seats and the fifth party, ACT, held onto their one seat because he's elected personally.

People going from Greens to Labour almost assuredly shuffled seven of the 13 seats Labour picked up, and the two Maori seats are almost most likely the same situation. None of the other parties had any significant change in their popular vote. So the "left gained" 4 seats. Two weeks ago they thought they were going to hit +15 and a guaranteed majority with Labour equal with National for the first time since 2005.

Instead, NZ First is kingmaker. And Labour needs the Greens too.

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« Reply #3436 on: September 25, 2017, 05:06:25 AM »
Less important than the Bundestag elections, France had a renewal of (half) her senate yesterday. As I said a number of times, Senators are chosen by the other elected office holders (from mayors to the National Assembly). Senate is very much the minor half of our bicameral system, opposition can obstruct through it but not to the point of gridlock. The government is probably going to try to reach out to centrist senators on a case by case basis and is probably going to have to tilt right another notch on its bills. It happens that the center-right group of senators has both in its midst the Modem ones (allied to Macron) and the UDI ones (Closer to traditional right wing opposition LR) so they may be amenable, at least on certain types of reforms.

As expected, it's the first major wrench in the Macronist narrative, they won 15 seats (out of 170 up yesterday) but had 18 incumbents facing polls, so they're even regressing to an estimated total of 24. But the public doesn't care about the Senate results much. I mean Europarliament elections even bgets more in the whole post-polling night and horserace narrative. Probably because the senate vote is indirect. The "POOR OPTICS" for Macron should be limited and not too catastrophic.

The traditional right wing parties gain seats (+30 or +40), traditional left wing is declining but in less dramatic fashion than in the latest Legislative election. Communists lost seats but have enough senators to form a group. Mélenchon's FI didn't run, both because their program calls for ending the Senate and for lack of any solid electoral support among grand electors. Far right FN keeps its 2 seats (no new senators).

The new full senatorial composition (348 seats total) should look roughly like this (some individual and independents may join one group or another) :
- Right wing LR / right wing independents : 170
- Socialist PS / Center left PRG / left wing independents : 96
- Center-right UDI-Modem : 41
- Macron's LREM : 24
- Communists PCF : 10
- Far right FN : 2
- Others : 4

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« Reply #3437 on: September 25, 2017, 05:26:29 AM »
Also listening to my weekly liberal milkshake duck debate with a decent intellectual bar had me :trigger
The presenter of nearly 20 years was not retained / sort of fired (it's public radio) over some fuss in the kitchen which was never made clear to the audience (started with one of the regular guests being booted by the direction because he was participating in Macron's campaign and held office IIRC). The format is mostly the same but the tone has lost some edge and spontaneity. Anyway that's not the issue. One of the new guests is former Foreign Affairs Minister Hubert Védrine (a fixture of Socialist presdent Mitterrand's reign, by all accounts an excellnt diplomat and intelligent guy, also implicated in nasty shit WRT to Rwanda) and for 3 weeks straight he's been shilling for Macron's labor reform in the most obnoxious way repeating that opposing the reform is being PRO MASSIVE UNEMPLOYMENT, WAKE UP SHEEPLE. Supporting the reform is a valid opinion to have but GTFO with this shit.

EDIT : Apparently the former host & founder decided to keep doing his show in podcast form n(before a live audience) and outside of any radio network. Some of his guests followed (including the FAZeitung Paris office chief) while other opted to keep appearing in the show aired by France Culture. Also collected 48k Euros so far via a crowdfunding campaign.

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« Reply #3438 on: September 25, 2017, 07:31:47 AM »
Apparently not the best results for Macron or any Eurozone reform...
Wasn't the AfD supposedly in disarray ? Incredible how the same mistake is made again and again.

Yeah, the AfD was in disarray, but so were the CDU and SPD...

AfD got voters from almost political parties except for the FDP and the Green party. And that isn't really surprising. While I dislike the "left/ right" categorization, I'll use it for simplicity's sake: AfD voters didn't move to the right, the CDU moved to the left under Merkel and left a vacuum. The AfD promised to fill that vacuum, so the largest part of AfD voters are former CDU/CSU who kept their positions and feel no longer represented by the CDU. Workers are traditionally conservative (contrary to popular belief), so the SPD lost quite a few voters to the AfD as well. And the former Left voters, especially in Eastern Germany, aren't actually far left, and never were. They were really just protest voters. And the AfD is a protest party that's much closer to what they actually want, so percentage wise, the Left had the biggest losses in favor of the AfD.

It's also worth noting that most AfD voters disagree with their more extreme elements and would like to see them removed, but that's unlikely to happen (especially after Petry announced her departure a few hours ago). In fact, a majority of AfD voters would have preferred to vote for the CSU, which is closer to what the CDU used to be, but couldn't because the party has no presence outside of Bavaria. So it's obvious people don't really want the AfD, they want the CDU - just not Merkel's CDU.

While this election has far reaching consequences, I think the AfD itself is pretty much irrelevant. They are just a catalyst. At least for now, depending on what lessons the CDU in particular learned. The one thing they should have learned is that they need to get rid of Merkel ASAP, but I don't see that happening as Merkel removed almost all internal opposition.

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« Reply #3439 on: September 25, 2017, 07:09:08 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/europe/german-election-result-afd-walkout/index.html

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The leadership of the hardline Alternative for Germany party was in disarray Monday, a day after its historic breakthrough in the German elections delivered a stinging blow to Chancellor Angela Merkel's authority.

At a press conference in Berlin that was intended to burnish the AfD's success, its chairwoman Frauke Petry walked out. She declared that she would not sit with the party in the Bundestag and said it had to address dissent within its own ranks.

Petry wanted to moderate the party saying they couldn't win or govern with their hard right stance.. The results said differently though and realizing she had zero leverage within the party, she bolted vowing to make a less hard right party...

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« Reply #3440 on: September 25, 2017, 09:24:40 PM »
"fine i'll start my own welfare state but not for immigrants party...with blackwhitejack...and hookers!"

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« Reply #3441 on: September 26, 2017, 07:30:44 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/europe/german-election-result-afd-walkout/index.html

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The leadership of the hardline Alternative for Germany party was in disarray Monday, a day after its historic breakthrough in the German elections delivered a stinging blow to Chancellor Angela Merkel's authority.

At a press conference in Berlin that was intended to burnish the AfD's success, its chairwoman Frauke Petry walked out. She declared that she would not sit with the party in the Bundestag and said it had to address dissent within its own ranks.

Petry wanted to moderate the party saying they couldn't win or govern with their hard right stance.. The results said differently though and realizing she had zero leverage within the party, she bolted vowing to make a less hard right party...

That's a very creative interpretation. This had been planned quite some time ago, weeks or months prior to the election. Petry was pretty much the last moderate in the AfD leadership, and the rest of their leadership wanted her gone. She wouldn't have remained chairwoman, she had no leverage to begin with. And everybody knew they'd win big, but the party never had any plans to actually govern. Except for Petry, who knew that would never work with the current leadership. So she played along to get a seat for herself and some of her followers. It was a long con.

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« Reply #3442 on: September 28, 2017, 07:18:23 PM »
That's good. I've been of the opinion that iterative progress is the best long term strategy in the modern world. I'm glad this happened, and hoping more good changes come your way!

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« Reply #3444 on: October 01, 2017, 10:06:47 AM »
Spain could not have fucked up the  Referendum any worse short of bringing in tanks...

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« Reply #3445 on: October 01, 2017, 10:45:35 AM »
Spain’s actions will be used to paint the EU as violent reactionaries hiding behind smiling faces.

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« Reply #3446 on: October 01, 2017, 07:06:36 PM »
Do those Spaintards not realize the divisions will be worse if they do shit like attack the Catalan folks? Fucking embarrassing.

So many 'leaders' around the world right now fucking up so many basic things.

Meh. The whole "the divide will get worse" line seems pretty hollow when you're at the point a non-authorized, apparently unconstitutional referendum is being -somewhat hastily but I may be wrong- held and that the pro-independance leaders are drafting a bill to unilaterally secede 48 hours after the potential "yes" vote, which is a fairly likely scenario. I don't have a dog in this fight and it's not to condone Madrid's management but really what would you expect Spain to do otherwise ?

Spain’s actions will be used to paint the EU as violent reactionaries hiding behind smiling faces.

Not sure I follow ? Regardless of the right of people to self-determine which indeed looms large in international parlance (though in practice is somewhat elusive), a country breaking up, especially one as major and important as Spain, is always rife with potential major issues.
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« Reply #3447 on: October 01, 2017, 07:10:09 PM »
Can you blame Catalonia for wanting to split from Spain?

It is a much more economically sound part compared to the rest of a country which seems incapable of change.

It never fails to amaze me how backwards much of Southern Europe continues to be after decades and trillions of Euros. Fuckers, change and make an effort.

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« Reply #3448 on: October 01, 2017, 07:15:44 PM »
Can you blame Catalonia for wanting to split from Spain.

It is a much more economically sound part compared to the rest of a country which seems incapable of change.

Fortune comes and goes. I hope Catalans, Flemish or Northen Italians motivated by that do realize it. This whole "economic angle" has never been flattering (it basically amounts to "Got mine, fuck u") and I also tend to think it's incredibly reductive of national aspirations. I'm sure (and I hope) the Catalans have a better case than that.
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« Reply #3449 on: October 01, 2017, 11:03:48 PM »
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Catalan officials later said 90% of those who voted backed independence in Sunday's vote. The turnout was 42.3%.

Given the low turnout, I don't think there's any clean takeaway from these results. Could be that the other 58% mostly want independence, but stayed home because of all the violence and chaos. On the other hand, it's also likely that people who are against independence aren't as fervent in their beliefs and didn't want to put in the effort to get out and vote to maintain the status quo.
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« Reply #3450 on: October 01, 2017, 11:12:17 PM »
The government of Catalonia reported 57% turnout.

Of course, the government of Spain has said for years now that it considers such a referendum itself to be illegal.

Though the Spanish Prime Minister himself seems to be of the opinion that no referendum was even held. Which I guess is one approach.

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« Reply #3451 on: October 02, 2017, 03:21:54 AM »
Can you blame Catalonia for wanting to split from Spain?

It is a much more economically sound part compared to the rest of a country which seems incapable of change.

It never fails to amaze me how backwards much of Southern Europe continues to be after decades and trillions of Euros. Fuckers, change and make an effort.

And after all that helpful austerity Northern Europe imposed on them, too. Ingrates.

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« Reply #3453 on: October 03, 2017, 07:17:16 AM »
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https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/913801918174121984


The collapse of Monarch might also be one of the first big Brexit disasters - although the airline was already shaky, so it's a bit more complicated than that.

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« Reply #3454 on: October 04, 2017, 06:14:16 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech





https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/03/sirte-can-become-a-holiday-destination-if-it-clears-the-dead-bodies-says-johnson


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There’s a group of UK business people, wonderful guys who want to invest in Sirte, on the coast, near where Gaddafi was actually captured and executed as some of you may have seen. And they literally have a brilliant vision to turn Sirte, with the help of the municipality of Sirte, to turn it into the next Dubai. The only thing they’ve got to do is clear the dead bodies away and then they’ll be there.

The Tories :whew Fuckery in countries other than my own :whew

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« Reply #3455 on: October 05, 2017, 04:29:03 AM »
Macron still working hard on endearing himself to the proletariat...

So a little bit of context : President Macron was on a visit in Corrèze (which stands in the center of France). The visit was formerly perturbed by a loud protest of GM&S employees : GM&S is an external supplier for autoparts working for Renault and PSA which has been in protacted bankruptcy for months now including the workers rigging thes factory with makeshift bombs and the courts finally settling on a buyer which will only keep half the jobs there.

Emmanuel Macron was speaking to the Elected Head of the Region who mentioned a nearby foundry had trouble finding the needed workforce. Which prompted the President to respond : "Instead of stirring shit up, some should maybe looks for jobs [at the foundry]. They may have the qualifications for it.". A line obviously aimed at the GM&S delegation that was standing a few couple dozen meters from him, cordoned by cops and didn't get to meet Macron despite a formal demand. Not an industrial expert, but I'm not sure sought out posts in French foundries (typically specialized craftsmanship) can just be filled willy nilly by a guy making auto parts.

Macron has already have a fairly impressive collection of similar blunders along the same lines of mixing vulgarity with contempt. You'd think someone would have pointed to him already.
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« Reply #3458 on: October 05, 2017, 03:12:13 PM »
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« Reply #3459 on: October 05, 2017, 03:21:39 PM »
Macron still working hard on endearing himself to the proletariat...

So a little bit of context : President Macron was on a visit in Corrèze (which stands in the center of France). The visit was formerly perturbed by a loud protest of GM&S employees : GM&S is an external supplier for autoparts working for Renault and PSA which has been in protacted bankruptcy for months now including the workers rigging thes factory with makeshift bombs and the courts finally settling on a buyer which will only keep half the jobs there.

Emmanuel Macron was speaking to the Elected Head of the Region who mentioned a nearby foundry had trouble finding the needed workforce. Which prompted the President to respond : "Instead of stirring shit up, some should maybe looks for jobs [at the foundry]. They may have the qualifications for it.". A line obviously aimed at the GM&S delegation that was standing a few couple dozen meters from him, cordoned by cops and didn't get to meet Macron despite a formal demand. Not an industrial expert, but I'm not sure sought out posts in French foundries (typically specialized craftsmanship) can just be filled willy nilly by a guy making auto parts.

Macron has already have a fairly impressive collection of similar blunders along the same lines of mixing vulgarity with contempt. You'd think someone would have pointed to him already.

I can't really fathom that guy. I mean I get that he wants to separate himself from his clownish and bumbling predecessors but declaring himself God Emperor almost without any hint of irony, talking down to the unemployed and generally being as condescending as possible? These people will surely vote for Jupiter come next election, labor law reforms be damned lol

Although I can see how some middle class people and upwards would lap up phrases like "You lazy bum, just get another job. What's so wrong about shoveling shit anyway?"


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« Reply #3460 on: October 05, 2017, 03:33:22 PM »
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lol at not only having it on the podium but also framing the speech so they can put it on one tiny portion of the wall

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« Reply #3461 on: October 05, 2017, 04:04:40 PM »
I can't get over the irony of a sign about "building a country" falling apart within hours.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech




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Was really hoping that the letters would fall off so that it spelled out "HE THICC".

Only one C breh.
"B A Cunt" could have happened tho.

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« Reply #3462 on: October 05, 2017, 04:39:11 PM »
I can't really fathom that guy. I mean I get that he wants to separate himself from his clownish and bumbling predecessors but declaring himself God Emperor almost without any hint of irony, talking down to the unemployed and generally being as condescending as possible? These people will surely vote for Jupiter come next election, labor law reforms be damned lol

Although I can see how some middle class people and upwards would lap up phrases like "You lazy bum, just get another job. What's so wrong about shoveling shit anyway?"

It's easy to believe it's premeditated with how controlled the PR is in general. But considering some of the earlier mistakes not playing up the lazy unemployed poor archetype (like his horrendous joke on boat people), I don't know...
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« Reply #3463 on: October 05, 2017, 05:28:01 PM »
It's easy to believe it's premeditated with how controlled the PR is in general. But considering some of the earlier mistakes not playing up the lazy unemployed poor archetype (like his horrendous joke on boat people), I don't know...

I have a hard time believing that he would stoop to the level of lazy populism which is why his behavior in public baffles me so much. Maybe it's simply a case of thinly veiled arrogance and elitism but I don't want to presume too much. I still wish him the best in his endeavors.

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« Reply #3464 on: October 07, 2017, 07:14:29 AM »
The Parquet National Financier (public ministry for financial crimes) is following suit on judges and is of the opinion that Former French President Sarkozy should go on trial for corruption.

Sarkozy had opened a mobile line under a pseudonym (lol) "Paul Bismuth" which justice tapped. Apparently Sarkozy promised a magistrate he would get him a post in Monaco in exchange for information on another ongoing investigation.

That's a fairly big deal if the courts act on it.

That's not the end of his problems as the Bigmalyon case (occult financing of his party) is pending.
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« Reply #3465 on: October 07, 2017, 07:28:37 AM »
That's not the end of his problems as the Bigmalyon case (occult financing of his party) is pending.

 :rofl what is that about?

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« Reply #3466 on: October 07, 2017, 07:43:19 AM »
That's not the end of his problems as the Bigmalyon case (occult financing of his party) is pending.

 :rofl what is that about?

Bygmalion was a company set up by someone close of Sarkozy's party and specialized in organizing events. They ended up being contracted quite a bit during Sarkozy's 2012 failed campaign for reelection (for meetings and such). Investigation uncovered a pattern of discrepancies in the payments, with bills issued for never performed duties. Writing from memory here so hazy on the details but the suspicion is, IIRC, funneling money from the party to the occult coffers of his campaign (as you imagine, campaign books are under tight scrutiny) via kickbacks.

And yeah the name of the company is the funniest thing about it.
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« Reply #3467 on: October 07, 2017, 08:58:23 AM »
I love your frenchisms, Vom. <3 I think Punk pictured something more literal there.

Our outgoing finance minister Schäuble has concrete experience with dodgy financing. :shh

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« Reply #3468 on: October 07, 2017, 09:13:05 AM »
Lol yeah "occult". I certainly imagined something similar to this:



My French sadly doesn't amount to much :-\

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« Reply #3469 on: October 07, 2017, 10:40:35 AM »
The original meaning of "occult" (still used in french) is "secret/hidden". Nothing to do with witches and whatnot.

You still have that meaning in english when it's used as a verb (especially in astronomy).

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« Reply #3470 on: October 07, 2017, 11:20:48 AM »
Thanks! Yeah it dawned on me after reading VomKriege's reply. While I can't say the same for other languages, I don't think that anyone is using "occult" in German in any other context than the supernatural these days. But maybe I'm mistaken and too warped by pop culture to know it better.

Was just hoping that Sarkozy embroiled himself in some Eyes Wide Shut/Traumnovelle-kind of shenanigans at least :P

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« Reply #3471 on: October 07, 2017, 11:32:42 AM »
Oh. I guess English only use "shadow" as a synonym.
Mitterrand supposedly was seeing a medium. Or was just fucking her depending on who you talk to.
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« Reply #3472 on: October 07, 2017, 12:46:46 PM »
Oh. I guess English only use "shadow" as a synonym.
Mitterrand supposedly was seeing a medium. Or was just fucking her depending on who you talk to.

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Thanks! Yeah it dawned on me after reading VomKriege's reply. While I can't say the same for other languages, I don't think that anyone is using "occult" in German in any other context than the supernatural these days. But maybe I'm mistaken and too warped by pop culture to know it better.

Was just hoping that Sarkozy embroiled himself in some Eyes Wide Shut/Traumnovelle-kind of shenanigans at least :P

Well I suppose that's where english got it from. Germanic language and all that.

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« Reply #3473 on: October 08, 2017, 04:51:58 AM »
Oh. I guess English only use "shadow" as a synonym.
Mitterrand supposedly was seeing a medium. Or was just fucking her depending on who you talk to.

I would expect a British politician to hide his lechery by pretending that his mistress is a medium.

I would expect a French politician to hide his superstitions by pretending that his medium is just another mistress.


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« Reply #3474 on: October 08, 2017, 03:35:44 PM »
Can't keep up with handle changes.

Is Vomkriege Karakand?

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« Reply #3475 on: October 08, 2017, 04:24:46 PM »
Can't keep up with handle changes.

Is Vomkriege Karakand?

Nah never changed my handle.
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« Reply #3476 on: October 08, 2017, 08:05:15 PM »
Can't keep up with handle changes.

Is Vomkriege Karakand?
no :fbm

but he's cool too :itagaki

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« Reply #3477 on: October 09, 2017, 05:17:05 AM »
Another important thing in light of the meager performance of Macron's party in the french Senate election : Macron is farther away than ideal of the 3/5 Parliament majority he needs for the planned Constitutional reform (reducing the number of MP, among other things) he wants for next year. The executive can still bypass this process by holding a referendum but it's apparently not the favorite option of the government, given the recent occurences in Europe.
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« Reply #3479 on: October 09, 2017, 01:52:08 PM »
How does the EU have anything to do with this :lol