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[shosta]

people other than me ruining this thread for once

[Madrun Badrun]

PogiJones quickly filling the Assy-shaped void in this thread. 

Why is it everytime we ban or run off a conservative another takes their place?

[agrajag]

PogiJones quickly filling the Assy-shaped void in this thread. 

Why is it everytime we ban or run of a conservative another takes their place?

So it is written. It's like the Rule of Two in the Lucasfilm Star Wars property, kiddo.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Safe to say that bernie's grass roots won the house?

[Himu]

There’s nuance here.

the irony

For me gun control isn’t a moderate position and that was the basis of this discussion. So this entire thing depends on our definitions, but since everything you ever present is ever an insult or snark I’m proud to add your ass to the ignore list. I can’t think of anything of note you’ve contributed that I’ve read anyways. You fucking suck.

[PogiJones]

Always awesome to welcome new contributors from the other forums thread.

they'll crawl back to their hole once the excitement wears off

Lol, "Your post count in this [thread] is so low, you're so suspect!" Where have I seen that before?

Yeah, don't worry, I don't plan on sticking around. You guys are fun to make fun of RE with in the other thread, but while most of you are cool to talk about whatever with, a few of you (shosta, cauliwhatever, Mandark (from what I've seen)) are pretty insufferable.

Just excited about the night is all. Take care, dudes.

[curly]

There’s nuance here.

the irony

For me gun control isn’t a moderate position and that was the basis of this discussion. So this entire thing depends on our definitions, but since everything you ever present is ever an insult or snark I’m proud to add your ass to the ignore list. I can’t think of anything of note you’ve contributed that I’ve read anyways. You fucking suck.

[Nola]

Let me put it this way:

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

That's the only time "race" should factor in: Convincing the rural whites that they'll be better off than the other races. Meanwhile, telling those other races "hey, you'll be better off, ignore what I'm saying about this since lol dem cacs amirite?" (paraphrased) would be better. It's a "balancing act" in a sense of trying to convince those rural whites that the policies you're proposing better them than the other races, while not really doing that.

I mean I have a deep-fried red voting police person on my Facebook that continues to support Trump while the world goes to hell because "lol at least those poor black folks don't get my shit from my tax money." That's the sort of person you have to convince while not alienating the other races.

You aren't convincing that person is the point. It's a fools errand. Beto won 48% not because he tried to jerk off the Trump supporters but because he mobilized the base while maintaining a relatively moderate outward facing platform. If there is a theme emerging of how Democrats are gaininng traction in formerly solid red states, that seems to be a good chunk of it. Your strategy has been tried tbh and Kansas is still red. Why bother with a half assed racist Democrat that says their economic policies are better when you can get the full racist saying the same thing that your preacher, radio, community, and tv back them up with?

You aren't going to out-Republican the Republican's on race and social issues 9 times out of 10 and you aren't going to beat the combined power of the political community culture built up over decades, the pulpit, or the firebrands they put their trust into. The more apt modern comparison to that quote is that the vast majority of Republicans have been largely successfully conditioned to see the best Democrat as worse than the worst Republican.

I certainly don't have the strategy figured out but some of you all are fooling yourselves into thinking it is some simple snap of your finger when pretty much exactly what has been offered has been tried.

[shosta]

mandark and I both appalled to be on the same list.



youngest woman ever elected to congress. crowley: annihilated

[Cauliflower Of Love]

= /

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1060022696703070208

 

[Mandark]

Safe to say that bernie's grass roots won the house?

Not really, but there are probably a ton of campaign staffers and volunteers who cut their teeth on Bernie's campaign (and/or Occupy before that).

[agrajag]

Always awesome to welcome new contributors from the other forums thread.

they'll crawl back to their hole once the excitement wears off

Lol, "Your post count in this [thread] is so low, you're so suspect!" Where have I seen that before?

Yeah, don't worry, I don't plan on sticking around. You guys are fun to make fun of RE with in the other thread, but while most of you are cool to talk about whatever with, a few of you (shosta, cauliwhatever, Mandark (from what I've seen)) are pretty insufferable.

Just excited about the night is all. Take care, dudes.

Breh, how the fuck are you going to passive aggressively object to what I said and then verify the accuracy of my statement in the same post?

It's like when MGK tried to diss Eminem by saying he's the greatest of all time.

[Phoenix Dark]

Lot of focus on rural votes but to me the big takeaways tonight: GOP collapse in the Midwest and GOP dominance in the south. Media tends to ignore complex issues or stories that play out over a period of time...and clearly they missed the boat on what's happening here. The economy is doing good yet Trump's numbers have collapsed throughout the Midwest. Because this trade war is fucking over multiple businesses and farmers. The Midwest is the one place Trump can't afford to lose ground, and yet he's digging his own grave.

In the south...I'm bummed Gillum lost but it makes sense. DeSantis was a terrible candidate yet clearly did his job: turned race into an issue and voters rewarded him. Republican turnout is very impressive throughout the red parts of the state; that's been true all night in the south. It's clear his message is resonating. Trump will never lose his base, or the ability to turn them out for elections.

[Himu]

Always awesome to welcome new contributors from the other forums thread.

they'll crawl back to their hole once the excitement wears off

Lol, "Your post count in this [thread] is so low, you're so suspect!" Where have I seen that before?

Yeah, don't worry, I don't plan on sticking around. You guys are fun to make fun of RE with in the other thread, but while most of you are cool to talk about whatever with, a few of you (shosta, cauliwhatever, Mandark (from what I've seen)) are pretty insufferable.

Just excited about the night is all. Take care, dudes.

I just put curly, agrajab, stro, and shosta on ignore.

Join me breh. They're all shit level RE taco leftovers.

Now we dance into the night and celebrate this glorious win for our country against pulp orange juice.

[Mandark]

Dems gonna pick up close to 40 seats and wake up miserable the next day.

Pretty on-brand.

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1060022696703070208

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

pogi just worming through as usual

[agrajag]

Mods, something's wrong with Cindi's ignore button, she's put me on ignore multiple times and it doesn't seem to be working

[Nola]

Dems gonna pick up close to 40 seats and wake up miserable the next day.

Pretty on-brand.

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Lot of focus on rural votes but to me the big takeaways tonight: GOP collapse in the Midwest and GOP dominance in the south. Media tends to ignore complex issues or stories that play out over a period of time...and clearly they missed the boat on what's happening here. The economy is doing good yet Trump's numbers have collapsed throughout the Midwest. Because this trade war is fucking over multiple businesses and farmers. The Midwest is the one place Trump can't afford to lose ground, and yet he's digging his own grave.

In the south...I'm bummed Gillum lost but it makes sense. DeSantis was a terrible candidate yet clearly did his job: turned race into an issue and voters rewarded him. Republican turnout is very impressive throughout the red parts of the state; that's been true all night in the south. It's clear his message is resonating. Trump will never lose his base, or the ability to turn them out for elections.

Desantis pounced on the racist hispanic vote in south florida. I know the margins were large in south florida, but they should have been much much higher.


So Pelosi is having a celebration party in DC with a bunch of people who should be in their own states celebrating?

[PogiJones]

Always awesome to welcome new contributors from the other forums thread.

they'll crawl back to their hole once the excitement wears off

Lol, "Your post count in this [thread] is so low, you're so suspect!" Where have I seen that before?

Yeah, don't worry, I don't plan on sticking around. You guys are fun to make fun of RE with in the other thread, but while most of you are cool to talk about whatever with, a few of you (shosta, cauliwhatever, Mandark (from what I've seen)) are pretty insufferable.

Just excited about the night is all. Take care, dudes.

I just put curly, agrajab, stro, and shosta on ignore.

Join me breh. They're all shit level RE taco leftovers.

Now we dance into the night and celebrate this glorious win for our country against pulp orange juice.

(Image removed from quote.)

Nah, I like agra. And I don't ignore unless it's really an extreme case. I think people need to be exposed to people they don't particularly get along with. It's good for you.

Breh, how the fuck are you going to passive aggressively object to what I said and then verify the accuracy of my statement in the same post?

It's like when MGK tried to diss Eminem by saying he's the greatest of all time.

That was more directed at Mandark than you. Sorry dude. And I wasn't contesting that I wouldn't stick around. Mostly just the imagery of crawling into a hole being derogatory. But again, mostly Mandark, which was straight up post-count nonsense right from RE.

[agrajag]

Cindi has a hate boner for me, Pogi 

[Himu]

Lot of focus on rural votes but to me the big takeaways tonight: GOP collapse in the Midwest and GOP dominance in the south. Media tends to ignore complex issues or stories that play out over a period of time...and clearly they missed the boat on what's happening here. The economy is doing good yet Trump's numbers have collapsed throughout the Midwest. Because this trade war is fucking over multiple businesses and farmers. The Midwest is the one place Trump can't afford to lose ground, and yet he's digging his own grave

Yeah he's done if he loses the midwest. Think they'll flip in 2020? The midwest is still pretty red if you look at the map. Can you explain how the GOP is collapsing? I haven't been able to look too deeply at the midwest yet as I've been looking at Texas.

[agrajag]

this supports Nola's point

https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1060005925233270784

[Mandark]

Lot of focus on rural votes but to me the big takeaways tonight: GOP collapse in the Midwest and GOP dominance in the south. Media tends to ignore complex issues or stories that play out over a period of time...and clearly they missed the boat on what's happening here. The economy is doing good yet Trump's numbers have collapsed throughout the Midwest. Because this trade war is fucking over multiple businesses and farmers. The Midwest is the one place Trump can't afford to lose ground, and yet he's digging his own grave

Yeah he's done if he loses the midwest. Think they'll flip in 2020? The midwest is still pretty red if you look at the map. Can you explain how the GOP is collapsing? I haven't been able to look too deeply at the midwest yet as I've been looking at Texas.

Trump co-opted some popular Dem policy goals during his campaign: big infrastructure spending, protecting Medicare and Social Security, lowering drug prices, etc. Even repealing the ACA was described as a step towards something which would get everybody covered for cheap. He had no record as an elected official on those things to call out and the Clinton campaign ran ads targeting his moral character rather than those issues.

As president he signed a big corporate tax cut, imposed some tariffs, jacked up rates for people who get coverage through the exchanges, and supported a lawsuit trying to get rid of protections for people with pre-existing conditions.

Maybe his force of personality wins back those areas once he's on the ballot again, but he conceded a lot of policy direction to the Paul Ryan wing of the party and that shit ain't popular.

[Nola]

On another positive note, we managed to finally overcome one of the original vestiges of Jim Crow in Louisiana in the year of our lord 2018.

We will no longer have non-unanimous jury convictions on felony charges. Yes, that was a thing until now.

[agrajag]

Lot of focus on rural votes but to me the big takeaways tonight: GOP collapse in the Midwest and GOP dominance in the south. Media tends to ignore complex issues or stories that play out over a period of time...and clearly they missed the boat on what's happening here. The economy is doing good yet Trump's numbers have collapsed throughout the Midwest. Because this trade war is fucking over multiple businesses and farmers. The Midwest is the one place Trump can't afford to lose ground, and yet he's digging his own grave

Yeah he's done if he loses the midwest. Think they'll flip in 2020? The midwest is still pretty red if you look at the map. Can you explain how the GOP is collapsing? I haven't been able to look too deeply at the midwest yet as I've been looking at Texas.

Trump co-opted some popular Dem policy goals during his campaign: big infrastructure spending, protecting Medicare and Social Security, lowering drug prices, etc. Even repealing the ACA was described as a step towards something which would get everybody covered for cheap. He had no record as an elected official on those things to call out and the Clinton campaign ran ads targeting his moral character rather than those issues.

As president he signed a big corporate tax cut, imposed some tariffs, jacked up rates for people who get coverage through the exchanges, and supported a lawsuit trying to get rid of protections for people with pre-existing conditions.

Maybe his force of personality wins back those areas once he's on the ballot again, but he conceded a lot of policy direction to the Paul Ryan wing of the party and that shit ain't popular.

Good news: now he can concede policy direction to Nancy Pelosi and win back those midwest voters!

[shosta]

jfc CURLY. Check out the chapo livestream right now. Matt is so fucking plastered he was blurting out that Measure B song again and is completely incomprehensible.

edit: ok they cut off the stream so they could put him to bed

[Himu]

All the D's I voted for lost besides local elections. Maybe PD's right and it's just the fact that Texas is red. I don't know anymore.

Lot of focus on rural votes but to me the big takeaways tonight: GOP collapse in the Midwest and GOP dominance in the south. Media tends to ignore complex issues or stories that play out over a period of time...and clearly they missed the boat on what's happening here. The economy is doing good yet Trump's numbers have collapsed throughout the Midwest. Because this trade war is fucking over multiple businesses and farmers. The Midwest is the one place Trump can't afford to lose ground, and yet he's digging his own grave

Yeah he's done if he loses the midwest. Think they'll flip in 2020? The midwest is still pretty red if you look at the map. Can you explain how the GOP is collapsing? I haven't been able to look too deeply at the midwest yet as I've been looking at Texas.

Trump co-opted some popular Dem policy goals during his campaign: big infrastructure spending, protecting Medicare and Social Security, lowering drug prices, etc. Even repealing the ACA was described as a step towards something which would get everybody covered for cheap. He had no record as an elected official on those things to call out and the Clinton campaign ran ads targeting his moral character rather than those issues.

As president he signed a big corporate tax cut, imposed some tariffs, jacked up rates for people who get coverage through the exchanges, and supported a lawsuit trying to get rid of protections for people with pre-existing conditions.

Maybe his force of personality wins back those areas once he's on the ballot again, but he conceded a lot of policy direction to the Paul Ryan wing of the party and that shit ain't popular.

I read that Trump's ratings have tanked with independents so there's hope down the line. But it's not a guarantee either.

[Himu]

CNN is reporting that Democrats could be +35, PD.

[curly]

jfc CURLY. Check out the chapo livestream right now. Matt is so fucking plastered he was blurting out that Measure B song again and is completely incomprehensible.

edit: ok they cut off the stream so they could put him to bed

lol I was just watching, he's gonna die

[shosta]

pretty sure he had that entire bottle of rum to himself

[Mandark]

Banter heuristic dictates that in 2020:

Trump loses the popular vote by even more than he did in 2016 but still wins.

OR

Dem beats Trump while GOP picks up Senate seats, is hit with a huge recession in January 2021 and confirms literally no judges.

[Nola]

Lot of focus on rural votes but to me the big takeaways tonight: GOP collapse in the Midwest and GOP dominance in the south. Media tends to ignore complex issues or stories that play out over a period of time...and clearly they missed the boat on what's happening here. The economy is doing good yet Trump's numbers have collapsed throughout the Midwest. Because this trade war is fucking over multiple businesses and farmers. The Midwest is the one place Trump can't afford to lose ground, and yet he's digging his own grave

Yeah he's done if he loses the midwest. Think they'll flip in 2020? The midwest is still pretty red if you look at the map. Can you explain how the GOP is collapsing? I haven't been able to look too deeply at the midwest yet as I've been looking at Texas.

Trump co-opted some popular Dem policy goals during his campaign: big infrastructure spending, protecting Medicare and Social Security, lowering drug prices, etc. Even repealing the ACA was described as a step towards something which would get everybody covered for cheap. He had no record as an elected official on those things to call out and the Clinton campaign ran ads targeting his moral character rather than those issues.

As president he signed a big corporate tax cut, imposed some tariffs, jacked up rates for people who get coverage through the exchanges, and supported a lawsuit trying to get rid of protections for people with pre-existing conditions.

Maybe his force of personality wins back those areas once he's on the ballot again, but he conceded a lot of policy direction to the Paul Ryan wing of the party and that shit ain't popular.

Good news: now he can concede policy direction to Nancy Pelosi and win back those midwest voters!

It is going to be interesting to see where Trump bends(or refuses to) given the Republican gains in the Senate.

Pelosi can probably get passed quite a lot of popular legislation(drug price negotiation, ACA stability, superficial pre-existing condition protections, infrastructure spending, creative tax bills, immigration reform etc.) and Trump is either going to have to go to war with his party(unlikely) or continue bending over backwards to the Republican hardline and play the tribalism game into 2020 and hope his culture wars(and a healthy economy) can overcome all else....Or maybe Mitch sees it through a Newt style zero sum lens and he lets moderates vote on a bunch of legislation, and because Dems still aren't that cynical or smart to play the game the way it is played today, will basically let Trump get all these easy wins thinking it will demonstrate why they are fit to govern and in reality is just used as evidence to support Republican governance. Like has basically always happened.

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I'm just rambling, really

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[Himu]

Stacey Adams won her primary which was obvious. She will lose the race though. This factors into what TVC and I were talking about earlier. Her words:



I guess this raises a philosophical quandry:

Do you go 100 and wear your heart on your sleeve to cater to your base to appear authentic orrrrr do  you maybe reduce it a bit and play to moderates? What's the better strategy? Is it better to lose as a progressive than win as a moderate?

[Mandark]

My prediction: Dems are gonna subpeona Trump's tax records, he's gonna take that very personally, and it's trench warfare from there on out.

[shosta]

why would pelosi push through drug price negotiation when she didn't in 2008
 

[Madrun Badrun]

Guys, I think I got it figured out.

What Democrats need to do to win is what I would want them to do anyway, and it would be easy.

Why would it help Dems if they introduced a constitutional amendment to make you a Bore mod?


Saw this post like an hour ago but couldn't think of a good joke then.  Came back 4 pages when I thought of one.

[Nola]

why would pelosi push through drug price negotiation when she didn't in 2008
 

My feeling? Same reason Republicans passed 257 ACA repeal bills from 2010-2016

Shit is a lot easier to get popular support from your party when its viewed as entirely symbolic, or it's pretty much all win/win.

[Himu]

Because it was 2008 and the Democratic party is different now. What a dumb shit question. "Why would Democrats support marriage equality? Obama didn't support it in 2008! In 2008 Democrats were strongly anti-illegal immigrant, why would they support illegals more now?"

Unfortunately saw that Shosta post from Nola's quote!

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Hearing van jones reciting bernies talking points from his early presidential run days is hilarious.

[Madrun Badrun]

Because it was 2008 and the Democratic party is different now. What a dumb shit question. "Why would Democrats support marriage equality? Obama didn't support it in 2008! In 2008 Democrats were strongly anti-illegal immigrant, why would they support illegals more now?"

Unfortunately saw that Shosta post from Nola's quote!

Had Dems not pushed for gay marriage, 2018 would have looked a lot like 2008.  This is why backing down on unappealing social issues and just focusing on what appeals to locals would be bad.

[Himu]

Because it was 2008 and the Democratic party is different now. What a dumb shit question. "Why would Democrats support marriage equality? Obama didn't support it in 2008! In 2008 Democrats were strongly anti-illegal immigrant, why would they support illegals more now?"

Unfortunately saw that Shosta post from Nola's quote!

Had Dems not pushed for gay marriage, 2018 would have looked a lot like 2008.  This is why backing down on unappealing social issues and just focusing on what appeals to locals would be bad.

That's a fair point, but just because something is unappealing social issue doesn't mean it's right or worth pursuing. Sometimes you're just wrong on the issue.

[Mandark]

Reminder: there's a non-negligible chance that Robert Mueller pops back up and says "the president's son did some crimes" and things get really nuts.

[shosta]

Ok, Mandark. You win. The investigation isn't coming to a close and it will be buttressed by auxiliary house investigations now.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I think santorum is still trying to run for president. He just tried to throw both obama and trump under the same bus. yikes

[El Babua]

South Florida pls secede from the rest of Florida

[Mandark]

Ok, Mandark. You win. The investigation isn't coming to a close and it will be buttressed by auxiliary house investigations now.

Probably House investigations into multiple cabinet members too. Ross, Zinke, Carson, am I missing anyone?

[shosta]

Probably House investigations into multiple cabinet members too. Ross, Zinke, Carson, am I missing anyone?

https://www.propublica.org/article/democrats-vow-investigation-of-va-shadow-rulers-after-propublica-story

wilkie

[thisismyusername]

Always awesome to welcome new contributors from the other forums thread.

they'll crawl back to their hole once the excitement wears off

Lol, "Your post count in this [thread] is so low, you're so suspect!" Where have I seen that before?

Yeah, don't worry, I don't plan on sticking around. You guys are fun to make fun of RE with in the other thread, but while most of you are cool to talk about whatever with, a few of you (shosta, cauliwhatever, Mandark (from what I've seen)) are pretty insufferable.

Just excited about the night is all. Take care, dudes.

I just put curly, agrajab, stro, and shosta on ignore.

Join me breh. They're all shit level RE taco leftovers.

Now we dance into the night and celebrate this glorious win for our country against pulp orange juice.

(Image removed from quote.)

Nah, I like agra. And I don't ignore unless it's really an extreme case. I think people need to be exposed to people they don't particularly get along with. It's good for you.

Breh, how the fuck are you going to passive aggressively object to what I said and then verify the accuracy of my statement in the same post?

It's like when MGK tried to diss Eminem by saying he's the greatest of all time.

That was more directed at Mandark than you. Sorry dude. And I wasn't contesting that I wouldn't stick around. Mostly just the imagery of crawling into a hole being derogatory. But again, mostly Mandark, which was straight up post-count nonsense right from RE.

Eh, stick around. Mandark is abrasive, but your posts are generally pretty even-headed, and people will get over you posting in the trash-fire thread eventually if you post elsewhere.

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Plus how else am I going to get nudes from you.

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[Himu]

Texas News:

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/11/06/greg-abbott-lupe-valdez-dan-patrick-justin-nelson-texas-midterm-2018/

Closest state race in two decades

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/11/06/sylvia-garcia-veronica-escobar-first-latina-texas-midterm-election/

First latinas to ever represent Texas elected.

Democrats also flipped two districts in Texas.

[Mandark]

In Maryland our moderate Republican governor got reelected easily but with no coattails.

Corey Stewart getting smoked in Virginia, which is nice.

[kingv]

realistically, this is a pretty good night for Dems.

Only big disappointment is FL.

[kingv]

also surprised how many of these red states voted for medicaid expansion.

Shit doesn't really make sense.

[Himu]

Yeah I can’t come away disapppointed here. Democrats gained actual government power which is what they needed.

[Nola]

And Beto can run for president now.

So solid night given what Dems were up against.

[Mandark]

also surprised how many of these red states voted for medicaid expansion.

Shit doesn't really make sense.

One thing the poli-sci nerds got right back in the day was that once the ACA was implemented, people would gradually start to take its benefits for granted and associate those less with Obama.

Not just the Medicaid expansion, but the attempt to roll back pre-existing conditions coverage, which blew up in the GOP's face so badly you had candidates just flat-out lying about their position.

[Nola]

also surprised how many of these red states voted for medicaid expansion.

Shit doesn't really make sense.

One thing the poli-sci nerds got right back in the day was that once the ACA was implemented, people would gradually start to take its benefits for granted and associate those less with Obama.

Not just the Medicaid expansion, but the attempt to roll back pre-existing conditions coverage, which blew up in the GOP's face so badly you had candidates just flat-out lying about their position.

Speaking of this, the imminent ruling that seems likely to strip those protections should add to the looming fireworks.

Probably one of the early tests with how this Congress/presidential relationship is going to play out.

[Mandark]

And that's a reminder that the Medicaid expansion was designed to be mandatory but was changed to an opt-in by the SCOTUS ruling where they almost struck down the mandate, based on reasoning which gives me a headache to this day (and I think Kagan joined with as some horse-trading to get Roberts on the main issue).