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Boredfrom

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7860 on: December 31, 2019, 04:27:45 PM »
RESET ERA: The Old Gaf

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7861 on: December 31, 2019, 04:33:42 PM »
:social SHIPPING SUMMIT NOW :social
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7863 on: December 31, 2019, 04:39:48 PM »
Lmao getting mad about a pg rated sex joke 😂

some of these dudes need to just come to Jesus and install net nanny and set google to safe mode 😂
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7864 on: December 31, 2019, 04:42:03 PM »
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There's a vast difference between making a comment on the ship and saying Finn should've 'laid the pipe' to Rey. One is an opinion, the other makes you sound like your character just wanted to fuck Rey.
Ohh lawd I’m getting the vapors 😂
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7865 on: December 31, 2019, 04:42:47 PM »
nobody on era actually gives a fuck someone used the term 'laying pipe' - because there's yet another fucking star wars thread talking about creaming the twinkie on the front page right fucking now.

The threads only existence is to get people riled up, get reports flowing, and get some bans out of it.

Happy fucking new year restarea, you absolute fucking dregs of human sputum.

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Tripon

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7867 on: December 31, 2019, 04:44:52 PM »
nobody on era actually gives a fuck someone used the term 'laying pipe' - because there's yet another fucking star wars thread talking about creaming the twinkie on the front page right fucking now.

The threads only existence is to get people riled up, get reports flowing, and get some bans out of it.

Happy fucking new year restarea, you absolute fucking dregs of human sputum.

This would make more sense if the site was some large ass site and bans were treated as some temporary thing that you went past the normal established rules. But it's a small site and you don't know what the rules actually are except there's protected users. And I doubt that everyone knows there's protected users so you're dealing with a minefield set in a small area.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7868 on: December 31, 2019, 04:45:00 PM »
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Well then it sure is a good thing he didn't say that to a woman then isn't it? He made the comment about a fictional character that does not exist. Not to Daisy Ridley.

  :curious

thisismyusername

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7869 on: December 31, 2019, 04:47:39 PM »
I am low-key loving the leads being fucking tired of Star Wars and having none of it's bullshit. Has Daisy popped-off/masked off yet?

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7870 on: December 31, 2019, 04:49:05 PM »
Damn John boy really doesn't want to be Disney+'d.  :lol

nudemacusers

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7871 on: December 31, 2019, 04:49:46 PM »
The more I read this demented thread the more I laugh 😂

Get a fukkin life jfc these meltdowns  😂 😂 😂

If you spent more than ten minutes of 2019 thinking about your “ship” do 2020 a favor and jump in the ocean 😂
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7872 on: December 31, 2019, 04:52:16 PM »

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7873 on: December 31, 2019, 04:52:18 PM »
I will pissed too if I was demoted from being the main male lead to  doing Uncle Tomfoolery.

He should have been the main character, btw. He was the best part of Force Awakens and his chemistry with Poe and Rey was good enough. Finn should ended the trilogy as a Jedi.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7874 on: December 31, 2019, 04:53:01 PM »
It's great seeing a lot of these guys experiencing the "debate tactics" they use against others on the regular to get people banned and marked. Being purposely obtuse; misreading arguments on purpose; being disingenuous; reading "hidden meaning" in a person's post instead of the plain, clear reading of it, etc...Pretty frustrating being on the receiving end of that for once, isn't it?  :lol

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7876 on: December 31, 2019, 04:59:50 PM »
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can you people not disregard the thing because rey is a "fictional character"

thats a slippery slope >_>

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7877 on: December 31, 2019, 05:02:10 PM »
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"In the case of the LGBTQ community, it was important to me that people who go to see this movie feel that they’re being represented in the film."

Yeah except all the gay people in Singapore and Dubai

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7878 on: December 31, 2019, 05:02:28 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/american-embassy-in-iraq-attacked.162206/

The geopolitical braintrust of poliera strikes again  :brain

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Why the fuck is there an American embassy in Iraq?
:dead

Lol this can't be real. :dead
better is the only reply he got on the first page:
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Because America is heavily invested in the Iraqi government since the invasion?
:doge :doge :doge :doge

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7879 on: December 31, 2019, 05:04:33 PM »
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The timing seems WAY too convenient. Smells false-flag-y.
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Just call it an intuition. A new years eve siege on the US embassy in Iraq creates a crisis that would be all too beneficial to Trump in his time of great weakness and vulnerability as a recently impeached president, staring down the barrel of a Senate conviction. I recon we'll someday learn about an orchestration with Iran to manufacture the whole thing. There is precedent for these types of actions from the Trump admin, as we all know.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7880 on: December 31, 2019, 05:04:55 PM »
Quote from: Gustaf
  yeah i agree with what you just said. dont think is a big issue.

BUT...

saying is a "fictional character" so it doesnt matter. its a slippery slopeeeeeee

 :sheik

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I do think on some level people are being a bit obtuse to try and pretend that sexualizing a fictional character isn't at least sort of sexualizing the real flesh and blood person who looks exactly like the character because they play them.

Because you guys never do that. I’m right?  ::)

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7881 on: December 31, 2019, 05:05:36 PM »
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You’re seriously going to call me racist over not liking a guy? Fuck outta here. You don’t know shit about me and I’m not about to take that label. 

Quote from: TheAdder
Outed yourself way too early in the conversation to try feigning indignation now.

 :money

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!

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benjipwns

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7883 on: December 31, 2019, 05:06:40 PM »
When I was a kid, my neighbor's house was burned down from a falling firework that another neighbor had shot off.

r/thathappened
read that as "finale fireworker, another neighbor"

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7884 on: December 31, 2019, 05:06:53 PM »
I will pissed too if I was demoted from being the main male lead to  doing Uncle Tomfoolery.

He should have been the main character, btw. He was the best part of Force Awakens and his chemistry with Poe and Rey was good enough. Finn should ended the trilogy as a Jedi.
fin should have been revealed as a windu  :lawd
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benjipwns

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7885 on: December 31, 2019, 05:09:15 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-telegraph-the-best-games-of-the-decade.162197/
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Fuck the Telegraph.
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Yeah fuck the Telegraph
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i wasn't aware that telegraph is problematic. should i ask for the thread to be locked?
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It is a right leaning newspaper (UK Right not US Right). To my knowledge it is no more than that although I don't read any of the UK Newspapers they are all terrible.
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More like the Torygraph
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They have Farage and Johnson frequently write in the paper.
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This paper is a Tory propaganda machine, like most major papers in the UK at the moment. There’s a reason it’s referred to as the Torygraph.
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They’re just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Tory/right wing political editorial representation in the Telegraph tbh.
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They used to be right leaning, now they're bordering on far right loonies. I personally feel that they don't deserve their own thread (in the same way the Daily Mail wouldn't if they did a list) but others may feel differently
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The Telegraph is nothing but far right trash these days, a propaganda paper for the Tories.
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i did ask for the thread to be locked, but it was rejected. i now feel bad for making the thread :(
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It’s a conservative newspaper so you might get accused of supporting bigotry. Wait for a sanctioned list.
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Any attempt for them to appeal to a younger audience shouldn’t be signal boosted imo. Better that they die with their ageing readership.
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benjipwns

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7888 on: December 31, 2019, 05:14:37 PM »
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lmao it seems like boyega is over this star wars shit
I don't blame him, racists were out to get him as soon as they saw him take off that Storm Tropper helmet
:hitler

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7889 on: December 31, 2019, 05:15:30 PM »
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I mean, there's a big difference between having personal feelings and putting it out there in public, especially when it's about a co-worker (and the 'but Rey isn't a real person' argument doesn't really hold water) where it can make people uncomfortable. I also think, while it's also less problematic due to our patriarchal society, the tweets from women about various Marvel stars are a little off-putting and weird as well, but it'd be even weirder and more off-putting if say, Brie Larson made a thirst tweet about say, Sebastian Stan, for obvious reasons.
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Boredfrom

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7890 on: December 31, 2019, 05:16:43 PM »
The woke squad is here to damage control but RedMercury ‘bothsides’:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/boyega-hamill-jj-and-isaac-on-star-wars-romance-and-a-gross-comment-by-boyega-open-spoilers.162286/page-12#post-27844654

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I don't think it's cool to put people down like that, I don't think anyone has a negative intention if they characterize things in a way you disagree with, I don't think it's coming from a bad place to be concerned about objectification and stuff.

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It just seems like kind of a reach for me personally because that's not how I look at media. I worked in pro wrestling for years, so I'd like to think I have a good grasp on the distinction between a character and the individual, but maybe you're right in that some people may not be able to make that distinction.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7891 on: December 31, 2019, 05:17:06 PM »
Quote from: CoyoteStark
Well then it sure is a good thing he didn't say that to a woman then isn't it? He made the comment about a fictional character that does not exist. Not to Daisy Ridley.

  :curious

"Women criticizing..." thread annihilated

benjipwns

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7892 on: December 31, 2019, 05:19:09 PM »
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resetera is woke high school
I don't think it's cool to put people down like that, I don't think anyone has a negative intention if they characterize things in a way you disagree with, I don't think it's coming from a bad place to be concerned about objectification and stuff.

Boredfrom

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7893 on: December 31, 2019, 05:19:58 PM »

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7894 on: December 31, 2019, 05:21:02 PM »
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lmao it seems like boyega is over this star wars shit
I don't blame him, racists were out to get him as soon as they saw him take off that Storm Tropper helmet
:hitler

FACTCHECK  :bolo

Quote from: Cheebo
Nearly all of the racism is targeted at Kelly Marie Tran not Boyega in my experience.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rian-johnson-on-those-who-didn%E2%80%99t-like-tlj-because-of-its-diversity-%E2%80%9Cfuck-them%E2%80%9D.152260/post-26451843

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7895 on: December 31, 2019, 05:23:43 PM »
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lmao it seems like boyega is over this star wars shit
I don't blame him, racists were out to get him as soon as they saw him take off that Storm Tropper helmet
:hitler

FACTCHECK  :bolo

Quote from: Cheebo
Nearly all of the racism is targeted at Kelly Marie Tran not Boyega in my experience.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rian-johnson-on-those-who-didn%E2%80%99t-like-tlj-because-of-its-diversity-%E2%80%9Cfuck-them%E2%80%9D.152260/post-26451843

:delicious
Woke impossible pretzel logic.
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benjipwns

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7896 on: December 31, 2019, 05:24:41 PM »
Wouldn't Boyega be "punching up" with his joke anyway making it properly comedic?

ResetERA.com needs to put a copy of their Progressive Stack next to all the banned sites/sources/persons in the General Guide.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7897 on: December 31, 2019, 05:26:24 PM »
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This is true explicitly in the comments that led to her quitting Instagram and social media. Same with Leslie Jones in Ghostbusters. That's the loud version of racism.

The room volume version of it is a little more subtle. The Canto Bight scene is the rorschach test. That is the heart of the movie, it's why the coda returns to the Canto Bight stables to show what Luke was teaching us -- the Force is everywhere and within everyone and no one can claim the Force any more than they can claim Life -- the bad guys will try, but they'll never win in the long run. It's an exciting sequence, in a new and imaginative world, where we get a perspective on class differences in the SW universe in the most direct way since Episode 1. In the long view of the saga, the stable kids call back to Anakin and Luke and Rey who each came from versions of poverty. In the short view of it, they're hunting for a macguffin in a casino -- half of the Bond movies have used a version of this scene, but here we're in Star Wars so it's fun weird aliens. What's not to like, I don't see it? It seems to me the reason people think it's pointless, or boring, or whatever complaint I've never seen a particularly good argument against the scene other than "I didn't like it" and what reason is there really other than it's Rose leading us through it?

 :whatisthis :idont

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7898 on: December 31, 2019, 05:29:23 PM »
Imagine being in a "shipping community" fucking LOL.

Boredfrom

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7899 on: December 31, 2019, 05:31:59 PM »
Quote from: CoyoteStark
The fact that people are genuinely trying to take this comment and use it to paint Boyega as unprofessional and sexist is fucking ridiculous.


What is it with people's rampant desire to absolutely bury a good person over next to nothing?

 :thinking

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7900 on: December 31, 2019, 05:34:23 PM »
Quote from: CoyoteStark
The fact that people are genuinely trying to take this comment and use it to paint Boyega as unprofessional and sexist is fucking ridiculous.


What is it with people's rampant desire to absolutely bury a good person over next to nothing?

 :thinking

Imagine if they and everyone on Reee apply this level of self-awareness to other people on the regular.

Boredfrom

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7901 on: December 31, 2019, 05:36:25 PM »
Quote from: JessieEwiak
Quote from: Randomdude
Because it’s totally sexism and not a sarcastic joke at all and we’re totally a ok going after this black guy for his harsh comments and totally not racist an any way shape form or suggestion.
So, if it's OK for black men to make harsh sarcastic jokes about women, then it should be totally OK for women to make racist jokes about black guys, as long as they're sarcastic and if you criticiaze them alll, that just proves you're a sexist, right?

Yes... Yes... Let the hate flow through you.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7902 on: December 31, 2019, 05:36:37 PM »
After further extensive research I have determined that their Progressive Stack basically is only based on gender:
Transgender
Moderator
Women
Men

Then the rankings within those four categories are decided by race, although this is almost purely based on US/Canadian/UK norms unless someone from another place can stand their ground long enough to resist.

benjipwns

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7903 on: December 31, 2019, 05:39:52 PM »
We should have seen the warning signs when Shy was repeatedly banned simply for posting an image without any context but which was really a clever trap to reveal that insidious fact that white women, including ResetERA.com moderators such as Morrigan, chose racial solidarity over stopping fascism by not preventing other white women from voting for Donald J. Trump. Something that simply isn't allowed within the British people of colour community.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7904 on: December 31, 2019, 05:40:38 PM »
Quote from: JesseEwiak
Plenty of people in this thread seem to think repeating 'racist' over and over again makes something racist. 

 :delicious :curious

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7905 on: December 31, 2019, 05:41:44 PM »
Quote from: JesseEwiak
I just want to know - if BlackERA has seemingly agreed that it's totally OK to talk about 'laying the pipe' to any woman and that it's not sexist at all, after all.

 :fabulous


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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7906 on: December 31, 2019, 05:42:16 PM »
Imagine being in a "shipping community" fucking LOL.
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7907 on: December 31, 2019, 05:42:24 PM »
Quote from: JesseEwiak
Plenty of people in this thread seem to think repeating 'racist' over and over again makes something racist. 

 :delicious :curious

JesseEwiak is getting DRAGGED. lol.

When even REE is tired of your woke garbage takes, you know you fucked up.

benjipwns

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7908 on: December 31, 2019, 05:45:36 PM »
Quote from: JesseEwiak
Plenty of people in this thread seem to think repeating 'racist' over and over again makes something racist. 
Quote from: JesseEwiak
I just want to know - if BlackERA has seemingly agreed that it's totally OK to talk about 'laying the pipe' to any woman and that it's not sexist at all, after all.
These aren't dog whistles these are dog cross burnings.

Boredfrom

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7909 on: December 31, 2019, 05:47:12 PM »
Quote from: Einchy
Saying something sexual about a fictional character is the same as being racist against real people.   

 :awesome

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7910 on: December 31, 2019, 05:52:19 PM »
Quote from: Einchy
Saying something sexual about a fictional character is the same as being racist against real people.   

 :awesome
:mindblown

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7911 on: December 31, 2019, 05:54:12 PM »
Quote from: Einchy
Saying something sexual about a fictional character is the same as being racist against real people.   

 :awesome
:mindblown

Being fair, pretty sure he was being sarcastic, but the thread has been such a shitshow if hypocrisy and stupid hot takes that who the fuck knows anymore.  :lol

I just pointed out because he is usually in the woke brigade circle jerk.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7912 on: December 31, 2019, 05:57:03 PM »
What the hell is even going on in this thread?
"POSTING IN A LEGENDARY THREAD" - The Blood God

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« Reply #7913 on: December 31, 2019, 05:58:44 PM »
And thread closed.

Who is going to win? Morrigan and her Tumblerinas or Slayven and BCT ?

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7914 on: December 31, 2019, 05:58:59 PM »
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #7916 on: December 31, 2019, 06:02:01 PM »

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« Reply #7917 on: December 31, 2019, 06:03:26 PM »
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Star Wars was a mistake, what is happening in this thread lmao
nah dude the spergs on Era were all mistakes

Just look at them

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OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION

There is a conversation to be had about the intersectionality of how black men are disproportionately targeted for comments that are otherwise perceived as innocuous, and for how women are made to feel about objectification.

This thread has demonstrated a severe lack of nuance with regards to this conversation, and it has now been hopelessly derailed beyond salvaging.

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« Reply #7918 on: December 31, 2019, 06:05:17 PM »
They should make a new thread for that conversation then  :marimo
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« Reply #7919 on: December 31, 2019, 06:05:29 PM »
And thread closed.

Who is going to win? Morrigan and her Tumblerinas or Slayven and BCT ?

It looks like it was a draw  :lol

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There is a conversation to be had about the intersectionality of how black men are disproportionately targeted for comments that are otherwise perceived as innocuous, and for how women are made to feel about objectification.

This thread has demonstrated a severe lack of nuance with regards to this conversation, and it has now been hopelessly derailed beyond salvaging.