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[Stoney Mason]

Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.

[Joe Molotov]

[Brehvolution]

Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.

His body plays fine. It's the knees that pose the problem. He kneeds a kneeodomy.

[Stoney Mason]

Well this seems to have turned into a disaster.



http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12378645/rajon-rondo-coach-rick-carlisle-shouting-match-dallas-mavericks-win

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Detroit has been playing Cleveland pretty well this year, so I wouldn't be that confident in the Cavs tonight.

I think the Cavs will still win but I see it being a 103-96 affair.

I wasn't far off

Yeah good call man.


Atlanta is no threat to Cleveland, they don't have a bench.

[jakefromstatefarm]

Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.

you think this has a lot to do with the mileage Thibodeaux puts on his starters? Rose spent a good, what, 3-4 seasons playing 35-40 minutes a game not including the postseason.  Seeing him do the same thing with Butler is making me kinda sick

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.

you think this has a lot to do with the mileage Thibodeaux puts on his starters? Rose spent a good, what, 3-4 seasons playing 35-40 minutes a game not including the postseason.  Seeing him do the same thing with Butler is making me kinda sick

No so much that as bad genetics/luck.

[Stoney Mason]

Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.

you think this has a lot to do with the mileage Thibodeaux puts on his starters? Rose spent a good, what, 3-4 seasons playing 35-40 minutes a game not including the postseason.  Seeing him do the same thing with Butler is making me kinda sick

It probably doesn't help but looking at the minutes this year Butler seems to be the only one who seems to be playing too many minutes. He also has had nagging injuries all season.

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/larry-sanders-exclusive-interview/

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Yeah, okay, he has the same problem Josh Gordon has. He can't stop puffing dank for 4 months a year.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm sick about Derrick Rose.  Brandon Roy 2.0

[Stoney Mason]

[Am_I_Anonymous]

[Steve Contra]

Tomorrow's game

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Tomorrow's game

Some sort of avatar wager, sir?

Cavs win you rock lebron for a month, GS wins and I'll rock Curry?

[Steve Contra]

Done.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Done.

Excellent, here is my selection for you good sir.

[Steve Contra]

I'll need to find the softest focus, dreamiest picture of Curry I can

[TakingBackSunday]

Cavs are gonna get rocked

 115 - 92

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Cavs are gonna get rocked

 115 - 92

I got your schtick by now, if I were a GS fan because I played in Oakland you'd say Cavs would win...../old


Cavs 105  GS 95

Perkins will bodyslam Bogut back to rehab within the first 2 quarters.

So Green will have to cover Lebron, which leaves who on Love? Because if you guys think Klay Thompson is locking down LBJ y'all crazy.

[Phoenix Dark]

GS 110
CLE 97

expect lots of fast breaks off turnovers with LeBron not getting back to the opposite end of the court

[Am_I_Anonymous]

GS 110
CLE 97

expect lots of fast breaks off turnovers with LeBron not getting back to the opposite end of the court

You haven't predicted a single game in any sport correct all year, I am now extremely confident Cavs will win by 20.

[TakingBackSunday]

AiA I'm a Lebron fan, I want the Cavs to win just like you do.  But GS is just too good.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

AiA I'm a Lebron fan, I want the Cavs to win just like you do.  But GS is just too good.

I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised tomorrow. We haven't won 17 out of 19 because we aren't playing well my dude.

GS is a great great team, but I'm telling you, when the Cav's are clicking with the present roster nobody is on their level....too much scoring....too much defense (look at our rating last 20 games)

[Stoney Mason]

It's hard to imagine the Cavs being on the level of the Warriors during a 7 game series currently but one individual game prediction during the regular reason is pretty much pointless as any team can win in that situation. It should still be a fun game, but if the Cavs win or the Warriors win, I don't think it necessarily means much in either case.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

It's hard to imagine the Cavs being on the level of the Warriors during a 7 game series currently but one individual game prediction during the regular reason is pretty much pointless as any team can win in that situation. It should still be a fun game, but if the Cavs win or the Warriors win, I don't think it necessarily means much in either case.

Good point but never underestimate that Cleveland has what, 5 or 6 guys with rings on their team? I don't think they are as likely to fold under pressure as golden state.

Scratch that, trust me both teams are taking this seriously. At this point in the season you can consider this a crucial game in terms of setting expectations for the rest of the year. If Cleveland beats GS media will hype Cleveland....if GS beats Cleveland they will be considered the favorites to win it all. So yeah, I think this is the game to watch this year if you're an NBA fan.

[ToxicAdam]

Whoever has a higher 3 pt % wins the game. Plain and simple.

[Stoney Mason]

If Cleveland beats GS media will hype Cleveland....if GS beats Cleveland they will be considered the favorites to win it all. So yeah, I think this is the game to watch this year if you're an NBA fan.

It's a good game to watch because its a good game. The media stuff and who is the favorite I don't care at all about.

[benjipwns]

I'll need to find the softest focus, dreamiest picture of Curry I can

[Phoenix Dark]

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I'll need to find the softest focus, dreamiest picture of Curry I can

(Image removed from quote.)

That one won't work at all. I don't even think it's a bad pic.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

VS



With




Does it get any better than this, boys?




Doing Battle with




Season Records:

Cleveland  36-22 (20-8 at home)  (Won 17 of last 19)

Golden State 44-10 (21-9 away)  (Best Record in league)


Starting 5 projected:

Cavs:

PG: Irving  21.6 PPG 5.3 APG  3.3 RPG   
SG: Smith  11.7 PPG 3.0 APG  2.7 RPG
SF: James  25.7 PPG 7.3 APG  5.6 RPG
PF: Love    16.9 PPG 2.3 APG  10.4 RPG
C: Mozgov  9.3 PPG 0.5 APG    9.3 RPG

Warriors

PG: Curry          23.8 PPG 7.9 APG 4.6 RPG
SG: Thompson  22.3 PPG 2.9 APG 3.4 RPG
SF: Barnes        10.4 PPG 1.4 APG 5.7 RPG
PF: Green         11.0 PPG 3.6 APG 8.1 RPG
C: Bogut            6.3 PPG  2.8 APG 8.2 RPG


----------------------------------------------------------------------

1 Avatar bet  (AiA vs Steve Contra)

  vs

8:00 PM EST on TNT

Line:  Cavs - 4.0

The Beast of the East takes on the Best from the West.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Predictions:

AiA:              Cavs 105   GS 95
Brand New: GS 115   Cavs 92
PD:              GS 110  Cavs 97

[Joe Molotov]

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba-trade-value-part-2-the-temple-of-doom/


Finally got part 2.

[Beezy]

Tonight's game would be a lot better without having to listen to Charles. Reggie Miller better not be included too.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Tonight's game would be a lot better without having to listen to Charles. Reggie Miller better not be included too.

Barkley is awesome

Miller is

[Stoney Mason]

Tonight's game would be a lot better without having to listen to Charles. Reggie Miller better not be included too.

I prefer Charles in the studio. I'm not a fan when they bring him to the commentary table. A little of charles is fine. A lot of Charles can be very grating.

[Beezy]

Tonight's game would be a lot better without having to listen to Charles. Reggie Miller better not be included too.

I prefer Charles in the studio. I'm not a fan when they bring him to the commentary table. A little of charles is fine. A lot of Charles can be very grating.

Agreed. He's great to me at the TNT table. During actual games though? Terrible. There's no one worse than Miller though, fucking hell.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Ah you're talking him calling the game, yeah his garbage at that. He needs to be in the studio.

Miller needs to stop starting every sentence with "When I played"......yeah we know dude.

[Human Snorenado]

I hope GS beats the Cavs, so I can point out to AiA that the Hawks handled GS since he keeps shit talking them

(...we've been playing like shit for a while now, tho )

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I hope GS beats the Cavs, so I can point out to AiA that the Hawks handled GS since he keeps shit talking them

(...we've been playing like shit for a while now, tho )

Just saying we beat you guys earlier this year without Lebron. Not really afraid of the Hawks

[Phoenix Dark]

Miller always sounds like Randall from Recess. "You can't say thaaaaatttt, are you serrioooous? I caaan't beeeelieeeve what you just saaaaid. I'mmm teelllingggg."

[TakingBackSunday]

CLICK CLICK, THIS IS YOUR KOOOODAAAAAAAK MOMEEENNNT

kill me

[Stoney Mason]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2378041-nba-insider-is-it-numbers-or-talent-sorting-fact-fiction-in-nba-stats-wave

[Steve Contra]

112-107 cavs is my prediction.

Or one team will embarrass the other and get the punditry all in a tizzy.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2378041-nba-insider-is-it-numbers-or-talent-sorting-fact-fiction-in-nba-stats-wave

I'm firmly on team "shut the fuck up math nerd, learn to box out before you tell me I rebound 1.7% better when it's humid"

[Am_I_Anonymous]

112-107 cavs is my prediction.

Or one team will embarrass the other and get the punditry all in a tizzy.

Meh, either way it's fascinating theatre on a cold ass Ohio day. Got my beer and kid muting device (bringing chicken home) ready.

[Stoney Mason]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2378041-nba-insider-is-it-numbers-or-talent-sorting-fact-fiction-in-nba-stats-wave

I'm firmly on team "shut the fuck up math nerd, learn to box out before you tell me I rebound 1.7% better when it's humid"

Or you could be on the reasonable logical side that incorporates all knowledge to make an informed decision versus the silly world Barkley has imagined in his head.

The idea that basketball management is all in on its only the numbers or some wise old wizard who can magically see everything a player is in all situations makes for lame black and white arguments.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2378041-nba-insider-is-it-numbers-or-talent-sorting-fact-fiction-in-nba-stats-wave

I'm firmly on team "shut the fuck up math nerd, learn to box out before you tell me I rebound 1.7% better when it's humid"

Or you could be on the reasonable logical side that incorporates all knowledge to make an informed decision versus the silly world Barkley has imagined in his head.

I was being sarcastic.

There is clearly a use for statistics to spot tendencies and identify areas that need improvement. However, someone who played the game will be able to spot future growth which is not something stats are going to do for you.  And before you reply, did any math nerd in the world predict Hassan Olajaside would turn into a A+ center? How long can he maintain it? Simple fact is you can't.

I actually think both sides need to work together because Billy in Oakland ain't winning a world series with a calculator (looking at you, houston) and neither are the old school Met's scouting department.

[Steve Contra]

Well to be fair if Billy's calculator started him off with double the money he might be able to do it

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Well to be fair if Billy's calculator started him off with double the money he might be able to do it

See the Houston Rockets as an example of money buying a nice calculator team that won't be worth shit in the playoffs.

[Stoney Mason]

The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them but want to use their playing career to defend their positions.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship

Well to be fair if Billy's calculator started him off with double the money he might be able to do it

See the Houston Rockets as an example of money buying a nice calculator team that won't be worth shit in the playoffs.

As opposed to all the hardcore non-metric teams that are going to do awesome in the playoffs?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship

I get that. However are you going to tell me which college player is going to hit the most clutch corner threes or are you going to have to take a scout's word for it?

PS the "3" is ruining the game in college and the NBA....needs to be extended about a foot.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them but want to use their playing career to defend their positions.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship

Well to be fair if Billy's calculator started him off with double the money he might be able to do it

See the Houston Rockets as an example of money buying a nice calculator team that won't be worth shit in the playoffs.

As opposed to all the hardcore non-metric teams that are going to do awesome in the playoffs

Cavs aren't ran by metrics they are pretty much ran by Lebron and I have a gut feeling they'll do pretty well this year.

Look you want to get your anger up about stats, do it. Just be sure to understand there use only extends so far.

[Stoney Mason]

The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship

I get that. However are you going to tell me which college player is going to hit the most clutch corner threes or are you going to have to take a scout's word for it?

PS the "3" is ruining the game in college and the NBA....needs to be extended about a foot.

Read the bleacher report article. None of those people say that stuff. The people who say that stuff are Barkley and his types. Every reasonable metrics person says its a mix and tool. Barkley is the one with the rigid position. Not the other side.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship

I get that. However are you going to tell me which college player is going to hit the most clutch corner threes or are you going to have to take a scout's word for it?

PS the "3" is ruining the game in college and the NBA....needs to be extended about a foot.

Read the bleacher report article. None of those people say that stuff. The people who say that stuff are Barkley and his types. Every reasonable metrics person says its a mix and tool. Barkley is the one with the rigid position. Not the other side.

I concur.

Stats can't tell me if the player is a dick, or if he fails under pressure if he's playing against a vocal player, or how much drive he has to be better. You're always gonna need a former player/coach/nba career guy to do that type of duty.

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/02/26/jennings-van-gundy-meet-discuss-jackson-future/24066631/

[T-Short]

Heat signed up Beez Nuts for a 10-day

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/02/26/heat-sign-beasley-10-day-contract.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts

[benjipwns]

Cavs aren't ran by metrics they are pretty much ran by Lebron and I have a gut feeling they'll do pretty well this year.

Look you want to get your anger up about stats, do it. Just be sure to understand there use only extends so far.

Cleveland was one of the first teams to hire a full-time statistical analytics staff. Notably Dan Rosenbaum creator of the fancy regression run adjusted plus/minus.