THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Tasty on October 13, 2015, 08:35:20 PM
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Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and The Wind Waker have had their moments in the sun.
Now it seems like its the best 3D Zelda's turn to shine. :rejoice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPmR2kAvrqo
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Been released on PC for about 4 years now. (https://dolphin-emu.org/)
Step your game up, Nintendo.
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lmao Nintendo trying to take Sony's crown for most useless uprezzed overpriced ports available
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lmao Nintendo trying to take Sony's crown for most useless uprezzed overpriced ports available
The Shadow of the Colossus one was worth it, the PS2 version has N64 levels of performance.
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Been released on PC for about 4 years now. (https://dolphin-emu.org/)
Step your game up, Nintendo.
WW HD had a bunch of small tweaks that made the game so much more playable. It's safe to assume it won't just be graphical enhancements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajndmZ5B3a8
Though the Dolphin version of TP does look absolutely amazing.
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Well to be fair at least Nintendo's HD remakes weren't previously already in HD.
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Is there any way they can make it less boring without completely redoing the game design? It needs to be about 50% shorter.
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Is there any way they can make it less boring without completely redoing the game design? It needs to be about 50% shorter.
:kobeyuck
Uhh no. Maybe the intro. The game's depth and length are pitch-perfect (far better than Okami, anyways. That game should have been half as long.)
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Oh wait, TP is not Skyward Sword.
My bad, I actually like TP. All those dungeons. Good times. Thought this was a Skyward Sword remaster.
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They should have remastered Mario Galaxy first
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Oh wait, TP is not Skyward Sword.
My bad, I actually like TP. All those dungeons. Good times. Thought this was a Skyward Sword remaster.
I doubt SS will be ported anywhere because of the sword combat. If it is it'll be completely overhauled.
Also: :wtf at thinking this was about SS when I posted a bigass pic of TP art in the OP, plus the trailer. :wtf
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They should have remastered Mario Galaxy first
That's a game that playing on Dolphin will be the best experience. There's almost nothing Nintendo could change other than graphics to enhance it, it's basically perfect.
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Oh wait, TP is not Skyward Sword.
My bad, I actually like TP. All those dungeons. Good times. Thought this was a Skyward Sword remaster.
I doubt SS will be ported anywhere because of the sword combat. If it is it'll be completely overhauled.
Also: :wtf at thinking this was about SS when I posted a bigass pic of TP art in the OP, plus the trailer. :wtf
SS and some of the DS Zeldas turned me off the series so much that I'm not really much of a Zelda fan anymore and it all kind of blends together.
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Some of the graphical changes to Wind Waker make it look worse than the GC version running in Dolphin. Nintendo, like every developer did ten years prior, went overboard with crap like bad HDR. A lot of the real time lighting/shadowing makes it look less "animated" than the original ones did. And stuff like "real" explosions vs. the cartoon ones. It messes up the composition of the scenes.
And I've read people happy about this because it's "cleaner", but they fucked up the debris and heat haze combination on Dragon Roost by getting rid of the former and way toning down the latter. When it's one of the best fucking effects of that generation and made me wet myself back in 2003 or whenever it was.
That said, TP wouldn't face many of these issues. Would be cool if they added a "flip back" option so you could play it HOW IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED WITH LEFT-HANDED LINK.
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It was meant to be played on the Wii with right-handed Link. :umad
The only thing that annoyed me about WW HD's graphics were the diffused lighting from the Moblin lanterns. Otherwise, it's a gorgeous game and I like the look while sailing on the Great Sea more than the original.
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Twilight Princess is boring for the first 3 hours, but gets real güd when you get to the far north of Hyrule field.
I hope the HD remaster is real. Things I'd like:
- Retinkered inventory system (I dig the circle interface, but using the Gamepad might be easier)
- Completely new soundtrack. Hopefully a few key themes are orchestrated
- Ditch ugo-mud filter and try and play up the art style a bit more with the HD visuals. It doesn't need to be Skyward Sword style, but something that fits the original art style more.
- Make getting the Magic Armor easier and NOT a hassle to use. Remove the rupee depletion bullshit when wearing it
- Hero mode
- Item use improvements.
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It was meant to be played on the Wii with right-handed Link. :umad
The only thing that annoyed me about WW HD's graphics were the diffused lighting from the Moblin lanterns. Otherwise, it's a gorgeous game and I like the look while sailing on the Great Sea more than the original.
Why was the GC version better then?
:smug
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It was meant to be played on the Wii with right-handed Link. :umad
The only thing that annoyed me about WW HD's graphics were the diffused lighting from the Moblin lanterns. Otherwise, it's a gorgeous game and I like the look while sailing on the Great Sea more than the original.
Why was the GC version better then?
:smug
Better at being in 4:3 you letterboxed pleb? :umad
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Just realized next month is this game's 9th Anniversary.
Fuck I'm getting old. :brazilcry
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I hated the Wolf Link sections. Game was good other than that.
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Lack of waggle > *.
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Shooting arrows and the Clawshot in the Wii version. :preach
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this game suckled because it made me realize once and for all that Zelda would never move beyond "oot + gimmick" formula
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this game suckled because it made me realize once and for all that Zelda would never move beyond "oot + gimmick" formula
You gotta play Link Between Worlds breh
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Like them or not, MM, SS, and LBW were all substantial twists on the Zelda "formula."
(Which btw started with LttP, not OoT.)
WW and TP were similar to OoT but fairly different, especially compared to some game sequels. C'est la vie. No one's forcing you to play 'em.
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this game suckled because it made me realize once and for all that Zelda would never move beyond "oot + gimmick" formula
You gotta play Link Between Worlds breh
o yeah i keep forgetting that exists
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They've shown like 10 minutes... almost a year ago.
And I thought you quit Zelda? :hitler
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ALBW :yuck
Let's make a Zelda where its piss easy to rent every item within an hour and have no real feeling of accomplishment or discovery.
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Wow an HD version of a game that originally came out when HD was already the norm. Maybe Nintendo should start releasing their games in black and white so they can sell a coloured version a decade later.
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Wow an HD version of a game that originally came out when HD was already the norm.
On consoles? :teehee
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Rumor is there will be a Nintendo Direct on Friday, and it seems likely it will feature this game.
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They need some content out there, desperately, the Wii U's 2016 retail slate seems to consist of only three titles at this point. Hexadrive did Wind Waker, right? I wonder what they've been up to since then.
Still can't believe they passed on a retail release for Fatal Frame. It might not have sold much, but at least it'd be something to stick on shelves.
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Couldn't get into TP at all. The intro just so zzzzzzzzz
Hoping the remake fixes this, if not, I guess I'll just deal with it and force my way through the dumb intro. I heard the rest of the game was good.
Some of the graphical changes to Wind Waker make it look worse than the GC version running in Dolphin. Nintendo, like every developer did ten years prior, went overboard with crap like bad HDR. A lot of the real time lighting/shadowing makes it look less "animated" than the original ones did. And stuff like "real" explosions vs. the cartoon ones. It messes up the composition of the scenes.
And I've read people happy about this because it's "cleaner", but they fucked up the debris and heat haze combination on Dragon Roost by getting rid of the former and way toning down the latter. When it's one of the best fucking effects of that generation and made me wet myself back in 2003 or whenever it was.
That said, TP wouldn't face many of these issues. Would be cool if they added a "flip back" option so you could play it HOW IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED WITH LEFT-HANDED LINK.
I agree as I really dislike WWHD's graphics too. It just looked so out of place and just completely fucks up the art style they were going for.
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That's not to say it doesn't look good, if it was a brand new game, it'd be hard to complain. But the original has a very specific composition to its design that you're stuck comparing it to, and tossing in all the new tech and stuff messes with that. Creates areas of disconnect which changes the mood and such of scenes.
Whereas when you run it through Dolphin you're just upping the resolution and smoothing it out.
It's a small thing, but somewhat annoying none the less. I can't imagine TP would run into many of those problems though as it was already going for that kind of look. Skyward Sword might be a different story.
Though Nintendo, if you really want to draw me in, let's start talking about a Metroid Prime Trilogy HD. I don't know if I can resist buying those games yet a third time. Especially since Corruption already tries to fake all kinds of shader effects that could be done properly. And you could bring back the stuff you dumped from Trilogy's versions of 1 and 2 since we're back to gamepads.
I won't even complain if you wanted to toss in Other M. That disc can accidentally get lost somewhere.
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Wii version fishing mini game 4 life
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no
why
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ALBW :yuck
Let's make a Zelda where its piss easy to rent every item within an hour and have no real feeling of accomplishment or discovery.
I don't think thats a fair critique, personally. Nintendo finally shakes the game up by making it fairly open-world, with the ability to get the full inventory whenever you want. The sense of discovery and accomplishment comes from upgrading your items and the secrets you find via the wall mechanics.
Its a welcome innovation, I'd say. Only thing I would prefer is to keep some powerups within dungeons.
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I beat this game and remember like nothing about it, so I guess I'd be down to play it again. Especially without motion controls.
Now if they can give me a version of Skyward Sword that is playable as well that'd be great.
They need some content out there, desperately, the Wii U's 2016 retail slate seems to consist of only three titles at this point. Hexadrive did Wind Waker, right? I wonder what they've been up to since then.
Still can't believe they passed on a retail release for Fatal Frame. It might not have sold much, but at least it'd be something to stick on shelves.
Hexadrive did the asstastic FFT0-HD port, two mobile games and are apparently helping out with Final Fantasy XV.
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Hexadrive didn't do Wind Waker, they simply assisted with it
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This game was such a disappointment I sold my Wii
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This game was such a disappointment I sold my Wii
Cool story bro
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2016 BAYBEH!!!!
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Hexadrive did the asstastic FFT0-HD port, two mobile games and are apparently helping out with Final Fantasy XV.
I mean I don't know how it was asstastic. They did pretty much the best job they could making a PSP game from 2011 look like a 2015 PS4 game.
Yet they also have done things such as:
Fixing the ZoE2 HD port.
The PS3 Port of EX Troopers.
The actual development part of The Third Birthday.
REZ HD
They are pretty competent on the tech side.
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Sigh
guess I'll buy this shit again
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Amazon link
http://amzn.to/1kQJzof
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Might get it. I wasn't able to get into it on the Wii when it first came out, but I wasn't into Zelda at the time. Maybe I'll get through the longgg intro of the game this time.
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Link is holding his sword in his left hand in that cover art. This is a good thing.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSjP7qxsSzk
Thankfully it does seem like they've upresed a lot of textures (look at Midna's helmet, Zelda's cloak and Zant's mask.)
Though the textures were never the issue with TP (aside from the ground textures in Hyrule Field); the issue was the low-poly jagged edges on everything, and to that end TP HD doesn't look any better. Then again, it kinda can't without actually being fully remade (like OoT 3D and MM 3D were.) Considering how massive TP is, not sure I can really blame Nintendo here.
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The only HD remasters I own are the Metal Gear HD Collection and Wind Waker HD. Coming off of playing the former, I'm not too surprised they didn't go out of their way to remake the whole game.
Still a bit disappointed but eh what can you do? Least I can play this with Off TV play.
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I'm not really impressed with this. The improvements seem absolutely minimal at best.
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Link is holding his sword in his left hand in that cover art. This is a good thing.
Link swings both ways. This is the 21st century dude.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSjP7qxsSzk
Thankfully it does seem like they've upresed a lot of textures (look at Midna's helmet, Zelda's cloak and Zant's mask.)
Though the textures were never the issue with TP (aside from the ground textures in Hyrule Field); the issue was the low-poly jagged edges on everything, and to that end TP HD doesn't look any better. Then again, it kinda can't without actually being fully remade (like OoT 3D and MM 3D were.) Considering how massive TP is, not sure I can really blame Nintendo here.
Holy shit, that guy's voice :neogaf
Is this Zelda closest thing to OoT? If so, I'll probably like it.
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Lol, not at all.
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Link is holding his sword in his left hand in that cover art. This is a good thing.
Link swings both ways. This is the 21st century dude.
Pick a team, Link!
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Lol, not at all.
I mean, it's probably a close second to OoT after ALttP.
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Looks good. Hope they add a Hero mode, varying control methods, and maybe adjust some of the timing issues in the game.
But really, just hoping for the hero mode
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Lol, not at all.
lol wut
this game is Nintendo going "well everyone looked oot so let's do it again!" even the damn map is the similar
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAAsrC4C-Ts
Tears of Light cut down from 16 to 12.
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FANKII AKUSHON SUPAA FAMIKOMU~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv5OIvwqkvM
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That Ganon puppet is really really rad.
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i might give TP another chance if they tone down the padding, ESPECIALLY the intro
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Biggest reason why I love Twilight Princess and Windwaker is how big the adventure is and how it feels. Both games have really long tutorial sections that really kill what the games are about.
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I have a feeling the tutorial was lengthened after they added the Wii version to ease people into the motion controls, and that it thus won't be as long in the GamePad/Pro Controller-controlled HD release. We'll see. I doubt the devs could replay up past the first dungeon and think "Yep, nothing wrong with this, onto the next area for potential improvements."
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wind waker had that bullshit stealth section tho. did the fix that in the remake?
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wind waker was awesome if you're the type to methodically hunt down every treasure chest. which i am
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Windwaker is the best Zelda game when it came to exploration and discovery. Not in the traditional sense, where you find loot and get better shit. But in the sense that you see something in the distance and have no idea what it is.
Besides Windwaker and Twilight Princess, every other 3D Zelda game seems puny and lacks the excitement of exploring the world. I think a lot of people forgot how big Twilight Princess is.
It turns out scale is what makes 3D Zelda games great to me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxoAYD8ZW68 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxoAYD8ZW68)
Zelda series Amiibo (Toon Link, Ganon, Zelda, Sheik, etc.) give you free arrows and hearts.
Wolf Link Amiibo gives access to A NEW DUNGEON apparently called the Twilight Cave. Whatever you do/get there seems to transfer to Zelda Wii U too.
The GamePad touchscreen can be used for inventory management like Wind Waker HD, and there will be an added Hero Mode that wasn't in the original game which doubles the damage you receive.
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Windwaker is the best Zelda game when it came to exploration and discovery. Not in the traditional sense, where you find loot and get better shit. But in the sense that you see something in the distance and have no idea what it is.
Besides Windwaker and Twilight Princess, every other 3D Zelda game seems puny and lacks the excitement of exploring the world. I think a lot of people forgot how big Twilight Princess is.
It turns out scale is what makes 3D Zelda games great to me.
No, that's Majora's Mask. Seeing a fairy tower and not knowing what it is, "where's Epona?", finding the ranch;etc. Majora's Mask is pretty much tops when it comes to exploration because everything adds something to the game and has a purpose.
In Wind Waker, it's usually nothing of worth and a couple hundred rupees at best.
I loved exploring Wind Waker because I was just OCD like that and I had about every tile on that map filled out by the time the triforce hunt occurred. Not sure I'd get the same enjoyment out of it now, though.
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This sounds like a great remaster, which is surprising.
Is it? WW HD was great. Loads of great tweaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajndmZ5B3a8
OoT 3D and MM 3D were good too.
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There's something about being at sea that does it for me. That combined with the visual style and how the audio design really stuck with me ever since. Majora's Mask has more significant exploration and discovery, but the Termina doesn't draw me in nearly as much as the world in Windwaker.
I think a lot of people are going to be surprised how well Twilight Princess has aged. I played the Gamecube version in 2010, long after the hype and backlash completely died down. Was probably the best way to experience it honestly.
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Twilight Princess also has a severely underrated soundtrack.
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I agree with morma. WW and TP are the epitome of vast exploration for me. It's why I don't care if Zelda U is barren overall, cause the stuff they showed ("look at a mountain and you can go there") sound perfect to me and the evokes the original Zelda game pretty well.
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TP owns. The backlash should have only been in relation to the story because that dungeon design was amazing. Remember dungeon 5 (I think?) and there's a billion bats in that tomb? Hell yes.
TP is much better than WW and anyone who argues otherwise really...well...I'll disagree wholeheartedly. :P
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Another thing Twilight Princess did really well was Midna and her role as a supporting character. Navi wasn't really that much of a character. Tatl in Majora's Mask was actual character, but was still a glowball light thing with no visual definition.
Midna is a really important character, along with having a ton of character. It felt like you had a legit buddy for the entire adventure, rather than a hidden character that pops up once in a while or a guide that has little to no characteristics.
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Never played SS. Always looked like shit. :P
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TP owns. The backlash should have only been in relation to the story because that dungeon design was amazing. Remember dungeon 5 (I think?) and there's a billion bats in that tomb? Hell yes.
TP is much better than WW and anyone who argues otherwise really...well...I'll disagree wholeheartedly. :P
TP is the much better game but there's something to be said for the presentation of Wind Waker. I might say it's a better experience for a lot of people. The story has more impact and the lore, visuals, and music are all incredibly top-notch. It's just a little insubstantial compared to its big brothers.
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Presentation is good but means very little I think, when comes to measuring a games true worth. It adds to the enjoyment for sure but it's ultimately just gravy.
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Biggest reason why I love Twilight Princess and Windwaker is how big the adventure is and how it feels. Both games have really long tutorial sections that really kill what the games are about.
Yeah, I've heard a lot of good about TP and it feels like I've been missing out.
I have a feeling the tutorial was lengthened after they added the Wii version to ease people into the motion controls, and that it thus won't be as long in the GamePad/Pro Controller-controlled HD release. We'll see. I doubt the devs could replay up past the first dungeon and think "Yep, nothing wrong with this, onto the next area for potential improvements."
I hope you are right.
Although I am a bit worried at the fact the remake is apparently handled by Funky Barn devs (yes, seriously). :-\ Such an odd choice.
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Ehh gotta give Nintendo some credit here. No one knew who the fuck Grezzo was but they pulled off a good remake of one of the top three highest-rated games of all time.
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[Amiibo Functionality]
Wolf Link unlocks the Thorough Battle: Trial of the Beast area. Clearing this area with the giant's wallet increases your maximum rupee count to 9999.
Link and Toon Link fully replenish your arrows once per day.
Zelda and Shiek fully replenish your hearts once per day
Ganondorf makes you take double damage.
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lol at the Ganondorf amiibo
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hard mode paid dlc is some serious bullshit
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so wtf happens when you use the ganondorf amiibo in hero mode? would it stack the difficulty?
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so wtf happens when you use the ganondorf amiibo in hero mode? would it stack the difficulty?
I think the Ganondorf amiibo is the hero mode :-\
Actually Hero mode is available from the start.
Apparently there was footage of TPHD amiibo usage, I didn't catch it myself since it was taken down. According to some tweets, Ganondorf amiibo stacks the difficulty?
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so wtf happens when you use the ganondorf amiibo in hero mode? would it stack the difficulty?
I think the Ganondorf amiibo is the hero mode :-\
Actually Hero mode is available from the start.
Apparently there was footage of TPHD amiibo usage, I didn't catch it myself since it was taken down. According to some tweets, Ganondorf amiibo stacks the difficulty?
Sounds like what I expected.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGvAte-D-P8
Damn, Link's model looking mighty fine.
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wolf link dungeon only
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it sounds like its just another cave of ordeals but for the wolf
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I don't think Nintendo is as of yet not selling an amiibo/game pack. The only way you'd miss out on it is if you bought it digitally.
at least, so it seems so far at least.
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the dolphin HD texture pack looks way better than Nintendos efforts, but of course fanboygaf side with nintendo 100 times out of 100.
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the dolphin HD texture pack looks way better than Nintendos efforts, but of course fanboygaf side with nintendo 100 times out of 100.
the dolphin pack looks atrocious.
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TP HD looks like the original textures at original resolution
Dolphin pack looks like fan textures imported from ESIV Oblivion
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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what a surprise, two of the biggest ninthings come here and defend shitendo immediately
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what a surprise, two of the biggest ninthings come here and defend shitendo immediately
I don't really see them as defending Nintendo here in as much as stating that the Dolphin pack doesn't look great. Andrex's post in particular says that Twilight Princess HD doesn't look HD at all.
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what does the dolphin texture pack look like anyways?
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what a surprise, two of the biggest ninthings come here and defend shitendo immediately
I haven't defended Nintendo in ages brah
You continually only come into Nintendo threads to shitpost though
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rs8_hSfSCs
New Poe's Lantern item (potential reward for catching 20 Poes, which might make it possible to catch Poes in human form. That's all just speculation though.)
Also various models have been enhanced with added polygons, which shows they're tweaking the graphics beyond a mere texture swap. (Lol Dolphin once again.)
Edit- Also you can switch to/from Wolf form with one tap on the GamePad instead of having to talk to Midna every time.
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what a surprise, two of the biggest ninthings come here and defend shitendo immediately
I don't really see them as defending Nintendo here in as much as stating that the Dolphin pack doesn't look great. Andrex's post in particular says that Twilight Princess HD doesn't look HD at all.
I didn't mean to imply that. What I meant was that the TP HD textures seem like what the artists originally created in an uncompressed format (assuming they were downsampled for the original release, which I think is a safe bet.) Same case as WW HD I believe.
Edit- Interesting, in some cases this definitely isn't the case, like the street in Castle Town:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwCj5CtydyU
Completely different pattern altogether. I would say that overall most of the new textures look like the originals, just uncompressed.
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what does the dolphin texture pack look like anyways?
Like a shitty Oblivion.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dwD0CPth7M
Sideways vine climbing is 33% faster (THANK GOD.)
Link doesn't lose his grip when clawshotting to vines.
Hyrule Field -> Castle Town Square load time is 14% faster.
Castle Town Square -> Castle Town Road load time is 25% faster.
Castle Town Road -> Castle Town Square load time is 30% faster.
Castle Town Square -> Malo Mart load time is 22% faster.
Malo Mart -> Castle Town Square load time is 33% faster.
Not sure whether the Nintendo Minute version was disc or digital though. If disc, then the digital version should be even more improved when it comes to load times.