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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2760 on: October 28, 2022, 03:18:57 PM »
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« Reply #2761 on: October 28, 2022, 03:31:44 PM »
David Depape

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He also has a blog

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Literally Gamer Gate
https://twitter.com/boruszak/status/1586054846754562050

Dude don't doxx magus like this

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2762 on: October 28, 2022, 03:44:52 PM »
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In videos circulating on Twitter Friday morning, two men carrying boxes are seen standing near the entrance to Twitter’s San Francisco building, claiming to have been laid off by Elon Musk, who officially took over the company Thursday evening.

There are plenty of problems with what these two men say to reporters. The most glaring is that one man identifies himself as a software engineer named “Rahul Ligma.” The Verge has confirmed that name does not exist in Twitter’s Slack or email system. There is also no evidence that the employee exists on LinkedIn.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2763 on: October 28, 2022, 03:45:20 PM »
https://twitter.com/JamesPindell/status/1585786042388553730

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And he's hinted to colleagues that he has achieved all that can be reasonably accomplished in the current political environment — both domestically and internationally.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2764 on: October 28, 2022, 03:54:30 PM »
John Kerry list of accomplishments:

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2765 on: October 28, 2022, 03:55:20 PM »
Wrong thread
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2766 on: October 28, 2022, 04:13:10 PM »
Biden needs to act NOW.

1. Declare the attack domestic terrorism
2. Declare that the GOP will be investigated as state supporters of terrorism, including their Supreme Court affiliates
3. Set up speedy trials in Guantanamo
4. Cancel the November elections until everything can be sorted out
5. Put Bernie, AOC, and Obama on the Supreme Court

Its the only correct course of action
Trials for people we already know are guilty and who will just deny it and try to sabotage us achieving justice? And putting somebody that old who literally is an agent of Putin and denied Her her Presidency on the Supreme Court? :jeanluc

John Kerry list of accomplishments:
There is that one time he invaded another country on the orders of a man who wasn't President yet. Allegedly. It was seared in his memory supposedly.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2767 on: October 28, 2022, 08:41:55 PM »
Great week for hot mics

https://twitter.com/FrischReport/status/1586050516710195203

Now this is the guy, press seems confident this time. Guess third time is the charm?
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2768 on: October 28, 2022, 09:28:26 PM »
I don't need to see anymore, that's the guy, they've got him. Lock him up.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2769 on: October 28, 2022, 10:49:45 PM »
He's white.

IS HE RIGHT WING?!?!
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2770 on: October 28, 2022, 11:48:32 PM »




https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/federal-judge-merges-arizona-drop-box-cases-weighs-decision/

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PHOENIX (AP) — A federal judge Friday refused to bar a group from monitoring outdoor ballot boxes in Arizona’s largest county where watchers have shown up armed and in ballistic vests, saying to do so could violate the monitors’ constitutional rights.

U.S. District Court Judge Michael Liburdi said the case remained open and that the Arizona Alliance for Retired Americans could try again to make its argument against a group calling itself Clean Elections USA. A second plantiff, Voto Latino, was removed from the case.

Liburdi concluded that “while this case certainly presents serious questions, the Court cannot craft an injunction without violating the First Amendment.” The judge is a Trump appointee and a member of the Federalist Society, a conservative legal organization.

Local and federal law enforcement have been alarmed by reports of people, including some who were masked and armed, watching 24-hour ballot boxes in Maricopa County — Arizona’s most populous county — and rural Yavapai County as midterm elections near. Some voters have complained alleging voter intimidation after people watching the boxes took photos and videos, and followed voters.

Arizona law states electioneers and monitors must remain 75-foot (23-meter) from a voting location.

“Plaintiffs have not provided the Court with any evidence that Defendants’ conduct constitutes a true threat,” the judge wrote. “On this record, Defendants have not made any statements threatening to commit acts of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals.”
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2771 on: October 28, 2022, 11:55:49 PM »
Make it illegal to stand within 100 feet of a drop box, place drop boxes every 50 feet. Probable cause to detain and search any person. :rollsafe

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2772 on: October 29, 2022, 05:04:03 AM »
He's white.

IS HE RIGHT WING?!?!
Black lives matter sign and pride flag on his house.
 :doge
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2773 on: October 29, 2022, 06:16:29 AM »
How do we know the guy just didn’t want some ice cream? A little hospitality goes a long way.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2774 on: October 29, 2022, 02:23:22 PM »
How do we know the guy just didn’t want some ice cream? A little hospitality goes a long way.
He was fighting over a hammer apparently.

Anyway some folks noticed how the Pelosi's live in a community that has quite a bit of security in general.
One internet theory is that it was Paul Pelosi's grindr date gone wrong.  :dead

It's very strange, that blog wasn't active for a while and he suddenly started posting again in 2022.
His house has all the signs of the radical left as opposed to the radical right.

His fellow Castro Nudists post anti-Trump messages so he seems to be a schizofrenic MAGA tankie or maybe the CIA mixed up 2 covers :trumps


My my how the turn tables
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« Reply #2775 on: October 29, 2022, 04:19:48 PM »
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One internet theory is that it was Paul Pelosi's grindr date gone wrong.  :dead

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2776 on: October 29, 2022, 05:44:30 PM »
It doesn't help that police found them both half naked and paul called him a friend :trumps

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1586144536408883205

This shit would be censored to hell and back if Elon didn't own Twitter right now  :lol

https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1586439674973007873

This story is so fucking weird


https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1586479705062244352
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2777 on: October 29, 2022, 06:46:43 PM »
Sounds weird :hump
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2778 on: October 29, 2022, 07:13:06 PM »
Definitely something "kinky sex games" going on
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2779 on: October 29, 2022, 07:20:05 PM »


"It reminds me of that time all the boys got hammered by the Castro Nudist at Nancy Pelosi's house"
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2780 on: October 29, 2022, 07:29:47 PM »
Why was Paul Pelosi in his underwear? Oh I don't know...because it was 5AM and he was sleeping. The fuck are you talking about.  :lol

The wild thing is that people are saying this guy is a radical extremist but...just about everything he believes is pretty standard republican shit these days. Replacement theory, communists taking over government, dems want to take all your guns away, trans people, left wing media etc etc...dude sounds like Himu.
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Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2781 on: October 29, 2022, 07:34:21 PM »
Nah, I disagree on most of those.

Replacement theory for instance is stupid but let's be honest, the left plays their part in propagating it. Stuff like "Republicans won't be elected because of demographics!" is basically the same as Replacement Theory. Many people on the left outright say white people will be outnumbered by minorities or "x got more brown/black!" pretty much all the time. X being education, some hobby, whatever. It's always comical seeing people on the left scream at replacement theory while at the same time saying the equivalent in the side of their mouths. Meanwhile, I completely deny that demographics will change the parties. On the contrary, more black and brown people are shifting to the GOP. Thank God.

On the other hand, got to love the cute arrogance "standard Republican viewpoints these days" when your flock is currently WAH-ing about Musk taking over Twitter. You can say,"those don't represent all Democrats" but for whatever reason, someone like Boebert or MTG represents the full circumference of the Republican Party. Anyone on my side of things could point to whatever dog whistle or conspiracy theory Democrats lobby at their opponents, whether it's stating Trump helped Russia steal the election in 2016 or whatever. Both sides have whackos.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2782 on: October 29, 2022, 07:45:47 PM »
I like how the reaction is always not "no, this is clearly not a regular Republican person, so I a regular Republican person should not have my worldview be threatened by this event" but "this was some leftist BLM nudist sex thing proving that it's actually the Democrats who are wrong and also that they deserved this for being freaks" and the story will probably only grow from there.

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« Reply #2783 on: October 29, 2022, 07:50:15 PM »
I like how the reaction is always not "no, this is clearly not a regular Republican person, so I a regular Republican person should not have my worldview be threatened by this event" but "this was some leftist BLM nudist sex thing proving that it's actually the Democrats who are wrong and also that they deserved this for being freaks" and the story will probably only grow from there.

I agree. The opposite is also true. Both sides don't want to be represented by some crazy person because they know it will give points to the enemy. It's why any time there's some tragedy, like a mass shooting or something, both sides are quick to dig their heels in supporting why it was a political rival. The black shooter that shot up the subway I was almost in was a "black supremacist" according to conservative media, while this guy was clearly a Qanon flunky according to the left. Meanwhile, a Democrat literally shot up a GOP event, some guy was going to assassinate Kavanaugh, and now this guy wanted to kill Nancy and her beautiful grandma milkers. But for some reason both parties want to be quick to point fingers even when we have zero facts.
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« Reply #2784 on: October 29, 2022, 07:54:54 PM »
Nah, I disagree on most of those.

Replacement theory for instance is stupid but let's be honest, the left plays their part in propagating it. Stuff like "Republicans won't be elected because of demographics!" is basically the same as Replacement Theory. Many people on the left outright say white people will be outnumbered by minorities or "x got more brown/black!" pretty much all the time. X being education, some hobby, whatever. It's always comical seeing people on the left scream at replacement theory while at the same time saying the equivalent in the side of their mouths. Meanwhile, I completely deny that demographics will change the parties. On the contrary, more black and brown people are shifting to the GOP. Thank God.

On the other hand, got to love the cute arrogance "standard Republican viewpoints these days" when your flock is currently WAH-ing about Musk taking over Twitter. You can say,"those don't represent all Democrats" but for whatever reason, someone like Boebert or MTG represents the full circumference of the Republican Party. Anyone on my side of things could point to whatever dog whistle or conspiracy theory Democrats lobby at their opponents, whether it's stating Trump helped Russia steal the election in 2016 or whatever. Both sides have whackos.

Do you understand how unhinged and objectively stupid this sounds? A white nationalist racist theory about a political party destroying white power in order to take over the country is the same as...acknowledging the reality of demographic shifts in this country and that the country will be majority brown in 30 years or so?

When you aren't shooting off the most basic right wing talking points word for word, you're trying to "both sides" everything else to make yourself seem more balanced. It's laughable.
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Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2785 on: October 29, 2022, 08:02:22 PM »
Nah, I disagree on most of those.

Replacement theory for instance is stupid but let's be honest, the left plays their part in propagating it. Stuff like "Republicans won't be elected because of demographics!" is basically the same as Replacement Theory. Many people on the left outright say white people will be outnumbered by minorities or "x got more brown/black!" pretty much all the time. X being education, some hobby, whatever. It's always comical seeing people on the left scream at replacement theory while at the same time saying the equivalent in the side of their mouths. Meanwhile, I completely deny that demographics will change the parties. On the contrary, more black and brown people are shifting to the GOP. Thank God.

On the other hand, got to love the cute arrogance "standard Republican viewpoints these days" when your flock is currently WAH-ing about Musk taking over Twitter. You can say,"those don't represent all Democrats" but for whatever reason, someone like Boebert or MTG represents the full circumference of the Republican Party. Anyone on my side of things could point to whatever dog whistle or conspiracy theory Democrats lobby at their opponents, whether it's stating Trump helped Russia steal the election in 2016 or whatever. Both sides have whackos.

Do you understand how unhinged and objectively stupid this sounds? A white nationalist racist theory about a political party destroying white power in order to take over the country is the same as...acknowledging the reality of demographic shifts in this country and that the country will be majority brown in 30 years or so?

When you aren't shooting off the most basic right wing talking points word for word, you're trying to "both sides" everything else to make yourself seem more balanced. It's laughable.

Unhinged. That's quite a liberal definition of the word. Yes, I think it's the same thing. When you hear white nationalists talk about replacement theory they often cite Democrats saying exactly this. The overall point is that people continue talking about some white minority looming while also painting it as some positive for the country and then being shocked that a bunch of white people take that very discussion up to 11. My postulation is that both parties have their own version of it. You can't deny Dems are obsessed with demographic changes as a political totem pole.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/democrats-and-demographic-change-tracing-the-lefts-decades-long-shift-toward-cheerleading-white-decline/

Also Demographics aren't really destiny and the assumption people will vote for you just because of the color of their skin is pretty assumptive and insulting. Also, arrogant, like most Democrat talking points.

Nah, both sides have issues. It's simply a reality you refuse to see. You're deep plugged into the Democratic Party's matrix. You can continue to enjoy being a prop for the Dems, I won't.

Frankly, for the all the talk about conservatives being obsessed with replacement theory absolutely none of the cons I know give a fuck about it. Most are pissed off that Biden ran saying,"fundamentally nothing will change" while operating the most progressive presidency since FDR. Others hate the student loan forgiveness shit, increasing crime, trans and their demonic ideology, economy, liberty, free speech;etc. Almost half the conservatives I talk to are black or non-white of some kind. No one cares about replacement theory for such a "normalized" concept within the Republican Party. It's the equivalent of calling the entirety of the Democratic Party socialist because of AOC's existence. Absolute banana factory.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2786 on: October 29, 2022, 08:21:59 PM »
I like how the reaction is always not "no, this is clearly not a regular Republican person, so I a regular Republican person should not have my worldview be threatened by this event" but "this was some leftist BLM nudist sex thing proving that it's actually the Democrats who are wrong and also that they deserved this for being freaks" and the story will probably only grow from there.

I agree. The opposite is also true. Both sides don't want to be represented by some crazy person because they know it will give points to the enemy. It's why any time there's some tragedy, like a mass shooting or something, both sides are quick to dig their heels in supporting why it was a political rival. The black shooter that shot up the subway I was almost in was a "black supremacist" according to conservative media, while this guy was clearly a Qanon flunky according to the left. Meanwhile, a Democrat literally shot up a GOP event, some guy was going to assassinate Kavanaugh, and now this guy wanted to kill Nancy and her beautiful grandma milkers. But for some reason both parties want to be quick to point fingers even when we have zero facts.
This is the same kind of thing. The "opposite" is not true because "Democrats are also nuts" isn't the "opposite" of what I said. Of course, there are conspiratorial loons who are Democrats too, the White House just invited the worst accounts of BlueAnon Twitter to visit*, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying. You're pretty much just instinctively reacting in defense because for the example I used was what the tweets Nintex shared were saying.

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https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1583506007564906496

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« Reply #2787 on: October 29, 2022, 08:27:47 PM »
Fair enough. I just find Dems like PD funny.

"Republicans are full of conspiratorial nut jobs"

Imagine thinking such a large part of the population are that steeped in conspiracy. How would you even live your life? At what point does "Republicans are full of conspiracy theorists" eventually become its own conspiracy theory?

I just find it funny how Republicans are pointing at one shooter for being a black supremacist and then then Democrats are pointing at one shooter for possibly being a right winger. It's all one big game of musical chairs.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2788 on: October 29, 2022, 08:33:08 PM »
I don't know, I'm starting to get the impression that far more of the population than I once assumed are fully on board with conspiracies. It being a majority or a supermajority of the population wouldn't surprise me at all.

It may even be totally normal. What's the easiest way to explain how despite you being in the "silent majority" or on the "right side of history" you lost an election to avoid cognitive dissonance? It was obviously stolen by a nefarious force that performed near impossible tasks perfectly and in secret.

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« Reply #2789 on: October 29, 2022, 08:41:06 PM »
I don't know, I'm starting to get the impression that far more of the population than I once assumed are fully on board with conspiracies. It being a majority or a supermajority of the population wouldn't surprise me at all.

It may even be totally normal. What's the easiest way to explain how despite you being in the "silent majority" or on the "right side of history" you lost an election to avoid cognitive dissonance? It was obviously stolen by a nefarious force that performed near impossible tasks perfectly and in secret.

This is why I point to both parties regarding certain things. Both parties link outside forces for their losses. It's not me "both sides"-ing, it's just being realistic, just like acknowledging the fact that both voted for war in Iraq and the War on Drugs.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2790 on: October 29, 2022, 08:44:46 PM »
But it does seem to be a form of it if when someone says "Republicans bad" you feel you need to say "Democrats also bad!" You're arguing not against what was said but what you think the other person secretly meant by what they said.

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« Reply #2791 on: October 29, 2022, 08:52:00 PM »
It's reflex at this point. I'm not a loyal partisan. I just think the gop are better than the Democrats and the lesser evil.
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« Reply #2792 on: October 29, 2022, 09:00:36 PM »
That's a fine position to take and argue, but I think one of our collective issues is the notion that we're constantly in an existential war and everything is part of the battlefield. A sense that if you allow a criticism of Republicans to go undefended or without a corresponding attack on Democrats that the field will shift slightly in their favor and possibly decide the entire war. I think this is a large part of Trump's appeal to Republicans, he  basically would never turn off.

For example, you fit PD into your standard narrative about the Democrats but of all Bire posters past and present I would not put PD near the top of the list for "loyal Democrats" especially on certain issues. If Rick Snyder announced a 2024 campaign tomorrow, PD would have probably already sent in $2800 and volunteered.

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« Reply #2793 on: October 29, 2022, 09:08:31 PM »
That's a fine position to take and argue, but I think one of our collective issues is the notion that we're constantly in an existential war and everything is part of the battlefield. A sense that if you allow a criticism of Republicans to go undefended or without a corresponding attack on Democrats that the field will shift slightly in their favor and possibly decide the entire war. I think this is a large part of Trump's appeal to Republicans, he  basically would never turn off.

For example, you fit PD into your standard narrative about the Democrats but of all Bire posters past and present I would not put PD near the top of the list for "loyal Democrats" especially on certain issues. If Rick Snyder announced a 2024 campaign tomorrow, PD would have probably already sent in $2800 and volunteered.
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He was a nerd and CPA. I had no choice.

I'm not a democrat, I'm a liberal. Nor do I sit around repeating basic ass talking points for my side or react to attacks with "but the others guys did xyz."
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2794 on: October 29, 2022, 09:08:58 PM »
I don't know PD but just based on random posts here he has always seemed on the reasonable and thoughtful side, willing to shake his head at dumb shit on the left-leaning side even if prevailing narratives would cast him as "disloyal" for doing so
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« Reply #2795 on: October 29, 2022, 09:15:54 PM »
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He was a nerd and CPA. I had no choice.
People really forget how popular he was in 2010. I remember lots of Democrat cope that they were going to pull it out because Obama had won by 16 points in 2008, the D nominee never polled over 40% and fell short of that in the election. Snyder almost got 40% in Wayne County!
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« Reply #2796 on: October 29, 2022, 09:22:50 PM »
That's a fine position to take and argue, but I think one of our collective issues is the notion that we're constantly in an existential war and everything is part of the battlefield. A sense that if you allow a criticism of Republicans to go undefended or without a corresponding attack on Democrats that the field will shift slightly in their favor and possibly decide the entire war. I think this is a large part of Trump's appeal to Republicans, he  basically would never turn off.

For example, you fit PD into your standard narrative about the Democrats but of all Bire posters past and present I would not put PD near the top of the list for "loyal Democrats" especially on certain issues. If Rick Snyder announced a 2024 campaign tomorrow, PD would have probably already sent in $2800 and volunteered.

Here's what I think is happening.

I hate the Democratic Party.

PD hates the Republican Party.

We aren't party loyalists (I voted Green in 2012, and only voted for Hillary and Biden because Trump).

BUT we have our own pre conceived preferences and therefore biases.

I think PD is a Dem knob slobberer. For all the talk he's more reasonable and moderate he doesn't scrutinize his side nearly enough.

PD thinks the same of me.

So we both assume of each other's viewpoints on certain issues because we presume the others bias. If we talked issue by issue and tried to find common ground I think we would find a lot in common. But we don't, I mostly presume everything PD says to me to be an attack. He drops subliminals. Thinking I support white replacement theory is actively insulting so I naturally go on the defense and attack him.

It's an example of polarity. Neither side wants to talk and just assumes the worst about the other. If PD actually talked to me he could probably see the logic in my rationale. I tried laying it out straight last year on this site but got a big nah. I've been shit posting politics ever since.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2797 on: October 29, 2022, 10:03:20 PM »
I think if someone criticized me for being too harsh on Democrats or rather too lenient on Republicans that would be a fair criticism. My defense would be that I perceive the Democrats to often be claiming to be better even, perhaps especially, when they're far worse and that my larger interest is poking at this rather than the specifics. Republicans to me, until recently, tended to appeal more to a transactional notion between their coalition parts. (Now that coalition has agreed on a single core issue: Trump good.) But I would absolutely agree this isn't a perfect framing and much of it is based on my perceptions, as well as I often assume most people here are (or were) Democrats and so will have already seen many of the "other side" things so I think less about sharing them.

But rarely do people go "yeah, but Republicans" or "yeah, but Trump" to me because most recognize that I'm obviously independent of that battle and aren't usually trying to score points that way so they need to act as if the enemy is encroaching especially if they know I don't even vote for moral reasons. I think it's important to keep in mind that even people who appear less clearly independent as me in that regard are not always lockstep partisans. We have people sometimes reflexively defend Biden (either correctly or incorrectly) but many of these people were nefarious Russian Bernie agents or patriotic Warren supporters, their loyalty to Biden (and beyond that Democrats as a whole) is more complex. We have members who are with the Democrats on nearly everything but are more in line with you on stuff like trans issues or some COVID measures. Even a Nintex is more complex than it would seem because nobody really logs it in their mind when he doesn't talk about a topic so his position goes unknown and you can only go off what he does seem to say and support.

When you boil things down to a binary choice and then demand people choose one or the other you're really just encouraging the mentality you're then using to justify disliking the "unified" other and supporting the superior one. Especially as an election approaches are we encouraged to think of deviations as possibly harming the total galactic effort. That person might switch to vote for Oz! That Ryan supporter might stay home! This is completely irrational because people engaged enough to talk about politics, especially to the extent we do, are not people like this in the first place. And the idea that the other kind of people are going to hop on to get informed and read your posts is our standard online scourge: narcissism. (Except in my case since I mail every undecided voter bound monthly digests of all my posts.)

I don't claim to be perfect in recognizing this myself obviously but I do think it's important to try not to read possible intents into rhetoric, especially rhetoric that can often be more hyperbolic than realistic. If somebody says Trump is the worst President ever, I'm going to disagree since it was clearly and objectively Woodrow Wilson and I also feel some chagrin when the person seems fine with what the Obama Administration did, but rarely is the person making an objective claim and more just saying he really really sucked. It's fair to say I'm also doing that mind reading thing but I prefer to think of it as trying to place a check on myself rather than trying to infer the bad faith of the other person even if that person is a known sociopath or dishonest or whatever.

I'll also note that everything I said here and in the earlier post about things I think should often be kept in mind is that some people don't give a shit at all. They want the partisan fighting, seeing enemies everywhere and feeling of constant combat that doing stuff like making complete fools of themselves daily in public on Twitter gives them. I AM LITERALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN ALL PEOPLE'S LIVES THIS IS NOT IRRATIONAL OBSESSIVE NARCISSISM SEND TWEET

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« Reply #2798 on: October 29, 2022, 10:05:16 PM »
I think if someone criticized me for being too harsh on Democrats or rather too lenient on Republicans that would be a fair criticism. My defense would be that I perceive the Democrats to often be claiming to be better even, perhaps especially, when they're far worse and that my larger interest is poking at this rather than the specifics. Republicans to me, until recently, tended to appeal more to a transactional notion between their coalition parts. (Now that coalition has agreed on a single core issue: Trump good.) But I would absolutely agree this isn't a perfect framing and much of it is based on my perceptions, as well as I often assume most people here are (or were) Democrats and so will have already seen many of the "other side" things so I think less about sharing them.

But rarely do people go "yeah, but Republicans" or "yeah, but Trump" to me because most recognize that I'm obviously independent of that battle and aren't usually trying to score points that way so they need to act as if the enemy is encroaching especially if they know I don't even vote for moral reasons. I think it's important to keep in mind that even people who appear less clearly independent as me in that regard are not always lockstep partisans. We have people sometimes reflexively defend Biden (either correctly or incorrectly) but many of these people were nefarious Russian Bernie agents or patriotic Warren supporters, their loyalty to Biden (and beyond that Democrats as a whole) is more complex. We have members who are with the Democrats on nearly everything but are more in line with you on stuff like trans issues or some COVID measures. Even a Nintex is more complex than it would seem because nobody really logs it in their mind when he doesn't talk about a topic so his position goes unknown and you can only go off what he does seem to say and support.

When you boil things down to a binary choice and then demand people choose one or the other you're really just encouraging the mentality you're then using to justify disliking the "unified" other and supporting the superior one. Especially as an election approaches are we encouraged to think of deviations as possibly harming the total galactic effort. That person might switch to vote for Oz! That Ryan supporter might stay home! This is completely irrational because people engaged enough to talk about politics, especially to the extent we do, are not people like this in the first place. And the idea that the other kind of people are going to hop on to get informed and read your posts is our standard online scourge: narcissism. (Except in my case since I mail every undecided voter bound monthly digests of all my posts.)

I don't claim to be perfect in recognizing this myself obviously but I do think it's important to try not to read possible intents into rhetoric, especially rhetoric that can often be more hyperbolic than realistic. If somebody says Trump is the worst President ever, I'm going to disagree since it was clearly and objectively Woodrow Wilson and I also feel some chagrin when the person seems fine with what the Obama Administration did, but rarely is the person making an objective claim and more just saying he really really sucked. It's fair to say I'm also doing that mind reading thing but I prefer to think of it as trying to place a check on myself rather than trying to infer the bad faith of the other person even if that person is a known sociopath or dishonest or whatever.

I'll also note that everything I said here and in the earlier post about things I think should often be kept in mind is that some people don't give a shit at all. They want the partisan fighting, seeing enemies everywhere and feeling of constant combat that doing stuff like making complete fools of themselves daily in public on Twitter gives them. I AM LITERALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN ALL PEOPLE'S LIVES THIS IS NOT IRRATIONAL OBSESSIVE NARCISSISM SEND TWEET
lmao you posted this on a Saturday night NERD

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« Reply #2799 on: October 29, 2022, 10:14:17 PM »
I don't think "yeah but the other side does X" is the actual problem

the problem is the implied "...therefore I'm right" or "...therefore it's a wash and I can continue uncritically supporting my side"


recognizing issues on both sides (if we must deal with a binary) is important, as long as the issues are presented honestly, in good faith, and with enough context to understand them, which admittedly never happens

I'm just not comfortable poisoning the well against the idea of rebuttal, as so much online discourse already has, where offering the mildest "yeah, but" for anything has people pointing and shrieking at you like donald sutherland
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« Reply #2800 on: October 29, 2022, 10:28:40 PM »
And yet virtually every post you make is this weird collection of Fox News primal screams and cheerleading. I would have dismissed it if not for it following the pattern of literally the last decade plus of you jumping from one obsession to another. Where you become extremely passionate about something on a surface level and it becomes your personality until the next New Thing arrives. In this case it just landed on something I find to be odious. I'm an accountant, so if we were discussing the merits of higher or lower taxes - or monetary policies, or finance etc - I'd be cool with that even if we were in complete disagreement. But the conservative things that animate you tend to boil down to...Q-adjacent delusions (gay/trans stuff is a demonic agenda), immigration and Fox News talking points (inflation). That's corny to me.

Literally in the span of our last few convos on twitter, before my recent return to The Bore, you went from being trans to being a dude focused on performative masculinity and attracting/marrying a submissive woman. What are we doing here fam.
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« Reply #2801 on: October 29, 2022, 10:38:12 PM »
I don't think "yeah but the other side does X" is the actual problem

the problem is the implied "...therefore I'm right" or "...therefore it's a wash and I can continue uncritically supporting my side"


recognizing issues on both sides (if we must deal with a binary) is important, as long as the issues are presented honestly, in good faith, and with enough context to understand them, which admittedly never happens

I'm just not comfortable poisoning the well against the idea of rebuttal, as so much online discourse already has, where offering the mildest "yeah, but" for anything has people pointing and shrieking at you like donald sutherland
I do in reality think, from experience, that most people who respond with "BOTH SIDES DURRR" are also being instinctively defensive and essentially revealing that they did intend that "hidden" message. I'm mostly saying yet again "be the change that you seek" since I think it's very important to always consider what things are actually within your control. At the same time, I think going into those weeds grants the argument to that person, you're now debating who is less bad rather than what is correct. That may be the "realistic" choice implied by having two parties but your debate isn't deciding the election it's attempting to pursue the truth of the issue. "Yes, both ideas suck, but those are our choices." They aren't! You aren't actually choosing!

I also want to make this distinct from pointing out the "other side" does the same exact or broadly similar thing. I see that as directly challenging the person's overall claim and asking the person to reconcile the disconnect. Like if someone is saying "the Republicans want to drown kittens" and the Democrats also voted for their own bill to drown kittens or never stopped drowning kittens after the Republicans started to the person is just being incoherent. It's often valid to suspect the partisan will try to make some kind of explanation that one is actually good or how it was out of their hands and that can help you to realize a dead end discussion. Stuff like how the capital gains tax rate has never gone back up after Clinton and the Republicans cut it in 1997 or how Gitmo still seems to be open.

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« Reply #2802 on: October 29, 2022, 10:47:21 PM »
For me politically, I haven't spent much of any time defending Biden outside of some foreign policy stuff. The Afghanistan pullout was sloppy but yea I'm gonna give the dude credit for having the balls to pull the plug on that shit. I'm not sure any other president besides Old Man Biden would do that, because he didn't give a fuck. I've supported his actions on Ukraine and have found the administration's response to be...really good. I like many things he's doing regarding China/Xi. Domestically I thought he handled the pandemic well in terms of vaccine availability and pumping enough money into the economy to avoid implosion. I'll vote for him again if he's the nom...but hope he's not.

I've been pleasantly surprised at some of the things he's done given the weak position he's in (50+1 senate, inflation, etc). Biden being such a heavy union supporter (overall) wasn't on my bingo list. Flip side there have been some laughable fuck ups on the legal end of things, and the feet dragging on student loans was idiotic and likely hurt the economy.

I'm the liberal guy who gets shit on for laughing at leftists and socialists but I've never been some dem slappy.
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« Reply #2803 on: October 29, 2022, 11:05:23 PM »
Even though I come from a completely different position, I half-seriously called Biden the best President of this century a while ago, and I don't really think that's wrong yet... I'm lenient on the spending thing because the party wanted more and Biden let Manchin set the price. Plus I'm pretty sure Trump would have done the same thing had the election not been stolen from him, especially with a D Congress. (OH WOW, BOTH SIDES HUH?)

Bill Clinton's 19 days is second because of those fucking pardons on the way out. :lol

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« Reply #2804 on: October 29, 2022, 11:48:55 PM »
And yet virtually every post you make is this weird collection of Fox News primal screams and cheerleading. I would have dismissed it if not for it following the pattern of literally the last decade plus of you jumping from one obsession to another. Where you become extremely passionate about something on a surface level and it becomes your personality until the next New Thing arrives. In this case it just landed on something I find to be odious. I'm an accountant, so if we were discussing the merits of higher or lower taxes - or monetary policies, or finance etc - I'd be cool with that even if we were in complete disagreement. But the conservative things that animate you tend to boil down to...Q-adjacent delusions (gay/trans stuff is a demonic agenda), immigration and Fox News talking points (inflation). That's corny to me.

Literally in the span of our last few convos on twitter, before my recent return to The Bore, you went from being trans to being a dude focused on performative masculinity and attracting/marrying a submissive woman. What are we doing here fam.

You're right. Virtually every post lately has been Fox News cheerleading. I can't help it! :lol They hate me so much I can't help but continue. :lol

But since we are old friends I feel like I can talk to you and not these people. I'll make you a long, serious post once I'm free.
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« Reply #2805 on: October 30, 2022, 12:05:50 AM »
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1586494196117958656

Remember that first debate that Biden attended during the primaries, where candidate after candidate took weird swings at Obama, and Biden by association. To me that marked the clear takeover of democrat messaging by younger aides and advisers who were completely consumed by twitter-brain. No matter how much Elon and others claim Twitter is the public square for humans, less than 30% of Americans use it. In the real world, Obama was and remains pretty damn popular. On leftist twitter, Obama is a neolib loser who never got anything done (beyond using drones to murder brown people).

Just wild to see republicans completely beholden to Trump irl and online, vs democrats becoming this leaderless herd obsessed with every twitter grief issue that regular people don't care about. Just as an example, the last few months of "cars are bad, public transportation spending needs to increase, get rid of parking lots etc" stuff. You can certainly build a coalition behind "we need better public transportation" but good luck getting Americans to care about your weird anti-car shit. Yet I see that daily from Noteworthy Liberal/Leftist People On Twitter.

Biden basically won a primary by saying "I like Obama and unions" and nobody got the message.
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« Reply #2806 on: October 30, 2022, 12:18:27 AM »
Yeah, like we should listen to Biden, the guy who literally said all marginalized people can go fuck off and die rather than ending capitalism and outlawing living in rural areas without public transportation so we can get rid of cars which are outdated and that nobody wants. :social

Just say you want Black, brown, uterus-having, LGBT and disabled bodies to die, PD. Our democracy is literally at stake and you're worrying about cars. :social2

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« Reply #2807 on: October 30, 2022, 12:42:49 AM »
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1586494196117958656

Remember that first debate that Biden attended during the primaries, where candidate after candidate took weird swings at Obama, and Biden by association. To me that marked the clear takeover of democrat messaging by younger aides and advisers who were completely consumed by twitter-brain. No matter how much Elon and others claim Twitter is the public square for humans, less than 30% of Americans use it. In the real world, Obama was and remains pretty damn popular. On leftist twitter, Obama is a neolib loser who never got anything done (beyond using drones to murder brown people).

Just wild to see republicans completely beholden to Trump irl and online, vs democrats becoming this leaderless herd obsessed with every twitter grief issue that regular people don't care about. Just as an example, the last few months of "cars are bad, public transportation spending needs to increase, get rid of parking lots etc" stuff. You can certainly build a coalition behind "we need better public transportation" but good luck getting Americans to care about your weird anti-car shit. Yet I see that daily from Noteworthy Liberal/Leftist People On Twitter.

Biden basically won a primary by saying "I like Obama and unions" and nobody got the message.

See? I agree with pretty much all of this. The Democratic Party has been consumed by the Twitter addled re re's. This is central to my story. What you don't realize is I'm reacting progressivism.
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« Reply #2808 on: October 30, 2022, 12:52:43 AM »
As opposed to Republican voters who are sane and reasonable.

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« Reply #2809 on: October 30, 2022, 01:54:49 AM »
And yet virtually every post you make is this weird collection of Fox News primal screams and cheerleading. I would have dismissed it if not for it following the pattern of literally the last decade plus of you jumping from one obsession to another. Where you become extremely passionate about something on a surface level and it becomes your personality until the next New Thing arrives. In this case it just landed on something I find to be odious. I'm an accountant, so if we were discussing the merits of higher or lower taxes - or monetary policies, or finance etc - I'd be cool with that even if we were in complete disagreement. But the conservative things that animate you tend to boil down to...Q-adjacent delusions (gay/trans stuff is a demonic agenda), immigration and Fox News talking points (inflation). That's corny to me.

Literally in the span of our last few convos on twitter, before my recent return to The Bore, you went from being trans to being a dude focused on performative masculinity and attracting/marrying a submissive woman. What are we doing here fam.

New York City changed me.

I used to have a bleeding heart. It beat hard, vomiting so much red that I could paint with the world with it. I truly care about other people and always have. It's the characteristic that made me a progressive to begin with and yet, surprisingly, is the characteristic that made me conservative. I've realized my heart doesn't have to bleed to beat.

I'm originally from Texas. But then I moved to Brooklyn, NY in the pandemic. Living in Texas and identifying as a Progressive is like living in a bubble. You haven't really had your views battle tested. You can go around prancing about talking about Republicans are wrong without having your viewpoints directly challenged because you do not live in the government or type of environment you crave. So imagine my shock when I finally moved to a blue city in a blue state. At first Ioved it and I felt I was finally home - feet kicked back. But then trouble brewed. Have an opinion that went against left orthodoxy. Everything was framed from some Twitter oriented perspective.

I began to notice a pattern. Post an article by someone a leftist or liberal disagreed with and they'd remind me that oh,"that's written by Glenn Greenwald." It didn't matter what Glenn said in that particular article or tweet. The person himself was poison and never capable of saying anything of substance. As if an entire person, flesh and blood, and was declared anathema, and never given due diligence no matter how wrong or right he was. The person himself was crossed off. It's not just Glenn Greenwald. I could any assortment of journalists or writers to prove this point.

That's one thing, but the left always takes it further and shames you for daring to share the same opinion or even sharing the article to begin with.

Groups always have a pressure to conform. Even conservatives do in a way. But left politics takes this further because they argue their conformity from a position of morality.

If you're not wearing a mask you're a super spreader. A murderer.

If you're not vaccinated you're a murderer.

If you are vaccinated and think it's important to be but think people should be allowed to choose (me) you're an anti-vaxxer and a murderer by extension.

If you're not vaccinated you earn the right to lose your livelihood.

At the start of this I expressed how much I deeply care about others and it shocked me how the very people that said they care about workers, poor people, and the most vulnerable seemingly didn't.

I learned that liberal moralism isn't about the value of the virtue. It's about control in the guise of safety. New York subways are full of mask signage. One has two umasked people talking with a label reading "worst"; further down two masked riders are chatting and it's labeled "better"; the final two riders aren't talking, they're reading a book or staring at a phone - it's labeled "best." Control. Even the suggestion of wearing masks isn't enough. No, you have to suggest behavior as well even if it's something that has nothing to do with safety. Control.

If you can't tell, I really, really disliked the New Yorker (and therefore Dem) response to Covid. Seeing businesses shuttered because they weren't allowed to be open because they were forced to operate at 20% capacity or be closed for months on end was the first domino in how I started to view Democratic policy. It was a huge contrast because one time I time flew in to Texas for Thanksgiving and we were allowed inside the coffee shop and live life normally and there weren't capacity numbers or being forced to show an ID just to do something normal. I particularly found the disconnect between Dems saying they're pro-worker while also operating on policy like this. It was like a massive case of cognitive dissonance for me.

For months New Yorkers had to show vaccination proof to do things inside despite having mask mandates. But, I thought masks protect and stop the spread? My ex-partner and I couldn't go to the zoo and fully enjoy each other because the zoo insisted that indoor exhibits required vaccination proof. She was unvaccinated. I am vaccinated. We couldn't even go on a coffee shop date because coffee shops would require vaccination proof to sit inside. All of this despite New York City having a vaccination rate of nearly 80% and yet despite that had high numbers during Omicron at the height COVID Theatre. Control.

The left is completely unable to admit when they're wrong even while moralizing about it.

This goes further than the pandemic. My photography mentor on July 4th told me,"we don't celebrate that here" to shame me for going out and take photos of Independence Day. We are both black. Control through peer pressure. Fall in line. As a corollary, I dislike equity and how so much is being given to black and brown people as if we are incapable of working hard.

Look at the new Democrat take on climate change policy. Oh, you can't have the choice of driving a traditional gas-powered car. They have shame you with a full on anti-car perspective even if your livelihood revolves around the very conceit of cars. They force their perspective onto the entire population and enact this with actual policy, limiting options. Progressives in NYC protested to have natural gas removed from new NYC buildings. California has said it will make it illegal to sell fossil fuel cars by the year 2035. Illegal. Control.

Liberals and progressives routinely strip people of their individuality.

My time in grad school pretty much changed my entire perspective on individualism vs collectivism. The progressives would brow beat and were obsessed with inserting identity politics into every single conversation or solution. You and I talked about this and how this impacts art. It's a big part of my shift: seeing the dangers of collective thought which strips people of their individuality absence their identity.

I moved to Brooklyn because I truly believed in something and had a dream. Lots of liberals told me I'd fail, that there's no hope. I found over and over again how little they believe in themselves much less the American promise. I'd sit gazing at the Brooklyn Bridge in all of its majesty, hopeful of a better life. When I mentioned how the bridge inspired me to fellow progressives and socialists they'd just mention how people died building it in the name of profit. Even symbols don't make them dream harder. They were unable to picture a world without clutching for vials of victimization and never gave a second thought to instead lift themselves up. Yet despite the left cries I got it. I achieved everything I came to New York for. Our country wasn't built on mediocrity, wearing pajamas to work, or excuse making. It was built on grit, sacrifice, and hard work in the hopes of a better life. Given all of their excuse making I question what the left even lives for. Certainly not hope. This is perfectly articulated by the way in which so many black people I know cry about how America lacks opportunity when we have full on immigrants coming here and the next generation becoming huge successes and finding opportunity underneath damn rocks. Through life experience, I became more practical and reasoned to take good points about the system and rather than feel I was owed.

It was a complete change in mindset and it was really rewarding in terms of how I saw myself.

You can see some of that mindset here in this Black Conservative vs Black Liberals video. In NYC I noticed everyone and their mother was overly concerned with being some victim, especially black people. They relished it. Fear was their main modus operandi and highly risk averse despite the fact that reward does not come without risk. Notice that the black conservatives in the video tend to be more well to do, hard working, and positive they can do shit. I just noticed a change in my perspective as I gained confidence in what I was doing versus my peers and their mindset. The liberals in the video are obsessed with victimization. Imagine dealing with that every day. This was extremely true in grad school.



Once I started to notice my mindset change I never really looked back and embraced it. I simply do not think that the liberalism of the Democratic Party is good for our community any longer. End of. You can disagree with that. Liberalism is pacifying and weakens communities. That's my conclusion. Feel free to disagree.

Then there's the actual liberal policies like taxes. Paying all those taxes in NYC when I realized I didn't have to really put me in the low taxes group. Having all that money come out of my check made me feel like a sucker. At the same time I still have views that go against conservative orthodoxy like support for universal healthcare. I'm even willing to pay a higher (high-ER, not necessarily high) tax for it despite hating high taxes. Personally, I do not consider Universal healthcare to even be against conservative thinking or values. Even Japan, a nationalistic and conservative country, has universal healthcare. I just think it's obvious. So I'm still not a Republican partisan either.

I thought I was trans because I was sexually abused and emotionally abused. In my pain, I ended up thinking I wasn't that much of a man. So I reasoned I wasn't one. Detransitioning has been an adventure. By detransitioning I've been learning what it means to be a man. In the process I've hurt a lot of people as I've tried to figure that, including many here. I'm sorry for that. I've been going through therapy for Childhood PTSD and trauma and it's been helping a lot and I've fallen into a confident stride where I no longer feel the need to conform to anyone else's definition of masculinity but myself. In that confidence, I've really gained and embraced a certain self sufficiency. A year ago as I was reeling from the mental fatigue of my traumas I was really mad at women. I've let that anger go, and forgiven the women that hurt me. Letting go of that really helped me a lot.

There's so much to unpack here and I've focused on a lot so these thoughts are scattered. But I haven't even mentioned their stances toward children and gender/sexuality issues. As a detransitioner you should probably picture why I would disagree with children being taught trans ideology. Their distaste for guns and self defense. You can say,"not all Democrats are anti-gun, but the Democratic Party overwhelmingly tend to trend anti-gun. Their getting in bed with corporations while at the same time wailing about corporate greed. The fact that none of their fiscal ideas work. That they spend billions on social programs with little return or people actually get out of poverty. Over the past year I've talked about how NYC had a huge homeless issue despite the fact we paid 3-4 billion in taxes to help this issue not get solved. The liberals/progressives here gave me opposing viewpoints I simply disagreed with. I greatly dislike how the Democrats misuse my money especially in programs like that. It seems as if so much of Democratic strategy tends to be the solution of "let's throw money at it" ad nauseum. Democrats, as they are now, make America weak and I do not think leftist policies work.


On the issues:

Taxes - Taxes should be low or medium. I even hate Texas' high property taxes.
Medical - Universal healthcare should be a human right. A public option should always be available.
Equity - No.
Abortion - Legal, safe, and rare.
Drug War - End it.
Social Media and first amendment - Let people say what they want.
Guns - Let the people shoot.
Bootstraps - Yes.
Leftists - Ew.

TLDR - Midwest is the American holy land. I considered Michigan but now I'm considering Indiana. After my stint in NYC I never want to live in a city ever again. I've fallen in love with the safety of the suburbs. I still love NYC. I just don't want to live there. I realized that I had become what I always hated: a 2000's Democrat, but that party is dead. I feel without a party. I lean libertarian but that party is crazy and I'm not a pure libertarian either. You could say,"Not all Dems are like this!!!" and that's true, but you can't ignore the overwhelming shift in their policy and rhetoric and they're refusing to back away from it. Look at Beto O'Rourke and his campaign. He campaigns like a Californian in Texas. Even he doesn't back away. A big part of the reason I'm rooting for GOP to rout them is for Dems to backtrack from progressivism.
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« Reply #2810 on: October 30, 2022, 09:04:23 AM »
Strength vs weakness

A lot of my positioning revolves around the idea of strength. I respect what's strong. I do not respect what's weak.

Why does this matter? The black community in America is only 12-13% of the American population. At one point, despite being literal second class citizens, pushed to the margins in a Jim Crow America we made our own stuff. There is a historicity of being strong in our community, Phoenix. Slaves? Join the Union and fight for your freedom. Look up the story of Robert Smalls. We fought for our own freedom. Not allowed to go to university? Fuck that, we made our own. Spelman, Morehouse, Howard are nationally recognized universities and there's more. The likes of MLK were educated in those systems, who attended Morehouse. When we decided to end segregation after the experiences of a desegregated Europe and Asia in WWII, we forced the literal laws of this country to change once again. The Black Panther Party needs no introduction. Strength allows the ability for a smaller minority to have power, self confidence, and independence. Through the sacrifices of our ancestors and their strength you and I both experience tremendous reward.

Can you really say the modern liberal thought is strong, Phoenix? Its idea of independence is turning traditionally white fictional characters black rather than creating your own black characters. In a way, by turning Ariel black you're just borrowing power - temporarily - through capitalistic forces. The only reason they change Ariel's race or this characters race is because they view diversity to be profitable. What happens when it suddenly isn't considered to be profitable? Oopsie. Less black faces in art.

The collectivism in modern liberal/progressive politics is bad for the black community because it creates a narrative of victimization so high it makes people think success is impossible. It goes completely against the tradition of strength in our community and turns what was once a highly forward minded people into lap dogs for the political left.

Everything is seen through the lens of identity politics.

Biden just said airline fees harm "people of color". I cannot think of a single person, regardless of race, that likes airline fees.

https://abcnews4.com/amp/news/nation-world/biden-claims-hidden-airline-fees-disproportionately-affect-people-of-color-president-joe-low-income-marginalized-junk-airplane-flight-cost-money

When does this type of rhetoric end up being seen as pacifying? Weak? It's not aspirational in any way. It doesn't improve my life. It just turns society into a giant victim circus. It helps the black community remain weak and forever suckled to the teet of government. It is a betrayal of the independence our ancestors fought for, and an insult to the self respect they strove to achieve.

I personally find it insulting.

By contrast, the conservative ethos is one of individualism, making your own way, having your own voice. I find it far more empowering. I find it strong and what is needed. Look at immigrant Africans and Carribbean black folks. They're some of the most hardest working people I know and they make zero excuses for themselves. I also don't find it a coincidence that they're extremely conservative, even when voting Democrat, they still have a pro-American, we can do it mindset. What we've got now in our community will not promote a healthy and strong black community that has its own independence. I think voting Republican can help promote that.

I think the mindset of conservatives is needed in our community and what is best for it. At the end of the day only the strong survive. Strength is right.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2812 on: October 30, 2022, 09:41:27 AM »
As a guy who spent nearly a decade in corporate security where millions of dollars were poured into it I’ll say - security is mostly a show to make people feel safe. It’s designed to detect the obvious and stereotypical security threats. It’s always the weird folks who make no efforts to actually elude security to pull off strange stunts that make it past. A question I’ll never forget that I had to help answer “how did we miss a dozen topless protesters walking through a gate and across campus in the middle of the day?!”

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2813 on: October 30, 2022, 10:01:07 AM »
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1586494196117958656

Remember that first debate that Biden attended during the primaries, where candidate after candidate took weird swings at Obama, and Biden by association. To me that marked the clear takeover of democrat messaging by younger aides and advisers who were completely consumed by twitter-brain. No matter how much Elon and others claim Twitter is the public square for humans, less than 30% of Americans use it. In the real world, Obama was and remains pretty damn popular. On leftist twitter, Obama is a neolib loser who never got anything done (beyond using drones to murder brown people).

Just wild to see republicans completely beholden to Trump irl and online, vs democrats becoming this leaderless herd obsessed with every twitter grief issue that regular people don't care about. Just as an example, the last few months of "cars are bad, public transportation spending needs to increase, get rid of parking lots etc" stuff. You can certainly build a coalition behind "we need better public transportation" but good luck getting Americans to care about your weird anti-car shit. Yet I see that daily from Noteworthy Liberal/Leftist People On Twitter.

Biden basically won a primary by saying "I like Obama and unions" and nobody got the message.

Oh my God. The Obama video. That's what I'm talking about. That strength of character, the will to do attitude, the positive self assertion and belief - emphasis, belief - that you can work hard and get turned into diamond through nothing but grit and hard work. THAT is what I respect. The modern Democratic party topples over itself to be the next victim. People in fucking GRAD SCHOOL, a position of privilege, found anything possible to complain about despite being handed wonderful opportunities to make something happen.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2814 on: October 30, 2022, 10:33:19 AM »
Obama's act still works.  :lol

Who's got your backs? That's right the guy that bailed out the banks and greenlit their plan to evict you from your homes.

Who's got your backs? The guy that used big tech to collect all your personal data for his campaigns.

Who's got your backs? The guy that handed Crimea to Putin.

Who's got your backs? The guy that toured the entire Middle East to promote Democracy in stable yet autocratic countries and then threw the protestors under the bus.

Who's got your backs? The guy that told you there was lead in all the water and you shouldn't complain about it.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2815 on: October 30, 2022, 11:38:41 AM »
By contrast, the conservative ethos is one of individualism, making your own way, having your own voice. I find it far more empowering. I find it strong and what is needed. Look at immigrant Africans and Carribbean black folks. They're some of the most hardest working people I know and they make zero excuses for themselves. I also don't find it a coincidence that they're extremely conservative, even when voting Democrat, they still have a pro-American, we can do it mindset.
Yet you say you were changed by NYC, which is filled with the people you mention probably more than any other US city. When you lived here, were you spending most of your time with the many white midwestern transplants who've made BK their home over the past decade?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2816 on: October 30, 2022, 11:53:58 AM »
Obama's act still works.  :lol

Who's got your backs? That's right the guy that bailed out the banks and greenlit their plan to evict you from your homes.

Who's got your backs? The guy that used big tech to collect all your personal data for his campaigns.

Who's got your backs? The guy that handed Crimea to Putin.

Who's got your backs? The guy that toured the entire Middle East to promote Democracy in stable yet autocratic countries and then threw the protestors under the bus.

Who's got your backs? The guy that told you there was lead in all the water and you shouldn't complain about it.

Still love this clip

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2817 on: October 30, 2022, 01:30:21 PM »
By contrast, the conservative ethos is one of individualism, making your own way, having your own voice. I find it far more empowering. I find it strong and what is needed. Look at immigrant Africans and Carribbean black folks. They're some of the most hardest working people I know and they make zero excuses for themselves. I also don't find it a coincidence that they're extremely conservative, even when voting Democrat, they still have a pro-American, we can do it mindset.
Yet you say you were changed by NYC, which is filled with the people you mention probably more than any other US city. When you lived here, were you spending most of your time with the many white midwestern transplants who've made BK their home over the past decade?

Nope, Iived in Little Carribbean in Flatbush. My time was spent with Africans, Latino blacks, and black Muslims. Just because they're in NYC doesn't mean they wanna stay. Most of the Muslims I knew wanted out :

After NYC I went to Dearborn, MI. Among the biggest Muslim population in America. NYC doesn't own immigrants just because it's a popular destination and not all Midwesterners are white.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2818 on: October 30, 2022, 01:37:05 PM »
Obama's act still works.  :lol

Who's got your backs? That's right the guy that bailed out the banks and greenlit their plan to evict you from your homes.

Who's got your backs? The guy that used big tech to collect all your personal data for his campaigns.

Who's got your backs? The guy that handed Crimea to Putin.

Who's got your backs? The guy that toured the entire Middle East to promote Democracy in stable yet autocratic countries and then threw the protestors under the bus.

Who's got your backs? The guy that told you there was lead in all the water and you shouldn't complain about it.

Yeah, Obama is the type of politician that says one thing but then has a completely different mindset. He's a great orator and it's easy to get sucked into his crap. He likes using force to shove down his agendas despite his image of a softie. I do not like Obama but you must admit that the speech was good and the polar opposite of the usual modern Dem victimizing squelch.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #2819 on: October 30, 2022, 01:46:19 PM »
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