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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3900 on: January 04, 2023, 04:49:40 PM »


(The Trump statement might be a fake but no one knows for sure)

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3902 on: January 04, 2023, 05:54:54 PM »
Is the speaker like where it is in Britain where it's just some dickhead shouting order? If so why does anyone care :heh
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3903 on: January 04, 2023, 06:01:49 PM »
Is the speaker like where it is in Britain where it's just some dickhead shouting order? If so why does anyone care :heh

Third in line of succession apparently...
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3905 on: January 04, 2023, 07:41:28 PM »
Is the speaker like where it is in Britain where it's just some dickhead shouting order? If so why does anyone care :heh
No, it's not at all like the Commonwealth Speakers (the Speaker of the House actually rarely presides personally), it's effectively the PM stripped of the executive functions. The Speaker has control over all business in the House, although it's not technically true because of rule changes, you basically do not get to bring something up for a vote in the House without the Speaker's permission.

One thing that is common is that the Speaker usually does not vote except to break ties or other procedural votes.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3906 on: January 04, 2023, 08:17:39 PM »
So many non-Americans here :existential

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3908 on: January 04, 2023, 08:52:16 PM »
benji, how likely is it we get to the next election cycle and there's still no speaker

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3909 on: January 04, 2023, 09:29:52 PM »
So many non-Americans here :existential
We can't help it if your parliament is where the best laughs are to be had...
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3910 on: January 04, 2023, 09:34:01 PM »
So many non-Americans here :existential

Should invade their countries for natural resources tbh. That’ll show ‘em.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3911 on: January 04, 2023, 10:11:53 PM »
benji, how likely is it we get to the next election cycle and there's still no speaker
Probably pretty unlikely, there's been much more contested elections in the past, though only one after the Civil War. After the 1854 election it took 133 ballots and two months with 135 different people getting votes and they had to change the rules to allow a plurality.

20 votes isn't a lot, they're basically going to have to decide if they'd prefer Jeffries over McCarthy.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3914 on: January 05, 2023, 12:05:37 AM »
So many non-Americans here :existential
We can't help it if your parliament is where the best laughs are to be had...
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The hell is a "parly-ment"? :rage

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3915 on: January 05, 2023, 01:08:35 AM »
that's not an original superman #1 is it...?

he's supposed to be throwing a car and there's an extremely distraught man in the corner
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3916 on: January 05, 2023, 01:24:38 AM »
that's not an original superman #1 is it...?

he's supposed to be throwing a car and there's an extremely distraught man in the corner
That's Action Comics #1:

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3917 on: January 05, 2023, 06:55:36 AM »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3918 on: January 05, 2023, 10:32:33 AM »
Jfc

The House Republicans are incompetents. We should have figured this out after the midterm that the far right people in the GOP are cunts destroying us. Instead the GOP has gone FURTHER right in the last 72 hours and refuses to concede with reasonable centrist Dems.

I'm yelling AUGH!!!! like Charlie Brown.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3920 on: January 05, 2023, 01:44:16 PM »
lol gaetz

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« Reply #3922 on: January 05, 2023, 02:44:55 PM »
:neogaf
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3923 on: January 05, 2023, 03:22:33 PM »
"we must hold the repub.....biden administration accountable"

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3924 on: January 05, 2023, 03:31:12 PM »
Every day this goes on is one less day to get to the bottom of the Hunter Biden laptop. Dont they know whats at stake???
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« Reply #3925 on: January 05, 2023, 04:05:22 PM »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3927 on: January 05, 2023, 04:36:58 PM »
i want to share that because of it's ludicrousness but I can't in good faith share that drivel.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3928 on: January 05, 2023, 04:51:11 PM »
Every day this goes on is one less day to get to the bottom of the Hunter Biden laptop. Dont they know whats at stake???
THANK YOU JAMES LISTEN TO THE MAN:
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3929 on: January 05, 2023, 04:52:02 PM »
In fact if I was in the House I would vote for Hunter Biden's Laptop. Where does it say you can't vote for an inanimate object?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3930 on: January 05, 2023, 05:15:52 PM »
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“Are you guys watching the Speakership fest?” comedian Kathy Griffin, a vocal critic of former President Trump, said in a video posted on Tik Tok. “I know it’s bad for the country, but it’s good for us.”

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3931 on: January 05, 2023, 05:17:47 PM »
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3933 on: January 05, 2023, 05:44:34 PM »
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?
It is?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3934 on: January 05, 2023, 05:48:06 PM »
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3935 on: January 05, 2023, 05:53:18 PM »
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?

Sigh, if only...

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Nobody got a majority on any of those ballots.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3936 on: January 05, 2023, 06:00:25 PM »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3937 on: January 05, 2023, 06:02:16 PM »
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?
It is?

Isn't a simple majority the most votes?

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« Reply #3938 on: January 05, 2023, 06:03:16 PM »
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?

Sigh, if only...

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Nobody got a majority on any of those ballots.

OK but like I took an edible tonight give me a mulligan on this one

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3940 on: January 05, 2023, 06:05:39 PM »
Oooooh!

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« Reply #3941 on: January 05, 2023, 06:08:21 PM »
Isn't a simple majority the most votes?
That's a plurality.

And you can't have a minority party organize the body, Occam will call you a threat to democracy.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3942 on: January 05, 2023, 06:22:53 PM »
Isn't a simple majority the most votes?
That's a plurality.

And you can't have a minority party organize the body, Occam will call you a threat to democracy.

This just clicked me for me.

I pride myself in being condensing and this is embarrassing.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3943 on: January 05, 2023, 06:23:14 PM »
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?
It is?

Isn't a simple majority the most votes?
Depends on your definition.

In some countries, a "simple majority" is whoever gets the most votes. Then you have an "absolute majority" which is when you require more than 50% of votes.

https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/in-parliament-which-votes-require-a-simple-majority-and-which-votes-require-an-absolute-majority/
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« Reply #3944 on: January 05, 2023, 06:23:19 PM »
The biggest argument against McCarthy for speaker is that he is so stupid he really thought Trump supported his bid for speaker.
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« Reply #3945 on: January 05, 2023, 06:29:44 PM »
This just clicked me for me.

I pride myself in being condensing and this is embarrassing.
I'm actually seeing a lot of people elsewhere not getting it, so I'll put it another way. If it was just a plurality/most votes, it wouldn't matter anyway. Jeffries can be Speaker and nothing will happen because the Republicans still have a majority so the Democrats will lose every vote. Democrats can have every chair of every committee if they want, the Republicans will still be the majorities in those and nothing can be done without the majority. The only instances where anything would happen would be all the unanimous random shit they do like name some bathroom in some park after some guy or whenever enough Republicans split off which could happen in committees because you only need a couple but once it advances to the floor that's not enough votes.

The more likely scenario (after the insurgents just giving up at some point) is the Republicans find a compromise candidate enough Democrats can support but at the moment the Democrats have no incentive to break ranks to start the session when the Republicans can look stupid and nothing of value is being lost anyway. The Democrats crying to the media about "what if there's an emergency? We won't be able to hold a hearing" should be obvious for what it is. (Say there was an emergency that needed the House to actually do something, the House can at any time vote to suspend the rules, unanimously declare war on Canada and then go back to casting ballots for Speaker.)
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« Reply #3946 on: January 05, 2023, 06:48:57 PM »
This just clicked me for me.

I pride myself in being condensing and this is embarrassing.
I'm actually seeing a lot of people elsewhere not getting it, so I'll put it another way. If it was just a plurality/most votes, it wouldn't matter anyway. Jeffries can be Speaker and nothing will happen because the Republicans still have a majority so the Democrats will lose every vote. Democrats can have every chair of every committee if they want, the Republicans will still be the majorities in those and nothing can be done without the majority. The only instances where anything would happen would be all the unanimous random shit they do like name some bathroom in some park after some guy or whenever enough Republicans split off which could happen in committees because you only need a couple but once it advances to the floor that's not enough votes.

The more likely scenario (after the insurgents just giving up at some point) is the Republicans find a compromise candidate enough Democrats can support but at the moment the Democrats have no incentive to break ranks to start the session when the Republicans can look stupid and nothing of value is being lost anyway. The Democrats crying to the media about "what if there's an emergency? We won't be able to hold a hearing" should be obvious for what it is. (Say there was an emergency that needed the House to actually do something, the House can at any time vote to suspend the rules, unanimously declare war on Canada and then go back to casting ballots for Speaker.)

Look

I already said I was embarrassed. I don't need all these words just to put me down.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3947 on: January 05, 2023, 07:00:54 PM »
If the R's don't elect Trump as speaker on January 6th to 'own the libs' they might as well just disband the Republican party.
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« Reply #3948 on: January 05, 2023, 07:42:12 PM »
If the R's don't elect Trump as speaker on January 6th to 'own the libs' they might as well just disband the Republican party.


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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3949 on: January 05, 2023, 08:07:13 PM »
Depends on your definition.

In some countries, a "simple majority" is whoever gets the most votes. Then you have an "absolute majority" which is when you require more than 50% of votes.

https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/in-parliament-which-votes-require-a-simple-majority-and-which-votes-require-an-absolute-majority/
A simple majority is still a majority, not a plurality. As your own link says:
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Most ideas – motions – are agreed to by a simple majority. A simple majority is when a majority of those who are present agree to the idea.
This isn't just the "most votes" though I certainly do not know if either house of the AU Parliament can have motions with more than two options like in the case of this Speaker vote the wording seems to indicate that if this was possible a majority would still be needed.

From a corresponding question:
The Australian Government is part of the Australian Parliament. After a federal election, the party or coalition of parties with the support of the majority – more than half – of members elected to the House of Representatives becomes the government.

To remain in office the government must keep the support of the majority in the House of Representatives.

I can't seem to find out at the moment how Australia does it. Do they up/down vote a single PM candidate until someone gets approved or are all the parties leaders (plus randoms) nominated and there's a single ballot? Some countries (typically the French-Spain sphere) do one way and others (typically the UK sphere, which is why the US Speaker vote and the Electoral College is like this) do the other way.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3950 on: January 05, 2023, 08:50:38 PM »
They should nominate "Generic Republican" that guy always does well in polls but never actually runs, he can probably bring the party together.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3951 on: January 05, 2023, 09:37:39 PM »
Depends on your definition.

In some countries, a "simple majority" is whoever gets the most votes. Then you have an "absolute majority" which is when you require more than 50% of votes.

https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/in-parliament-which-votes-require-a-simple-majority-and-which-votes-require-an-absolute-majority/
A simple majority is still a majority, not a plurality. As your own link says:
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Most ideas – motions – are agreed to by a simple majority. A simple majority is when a majority of those who are present agree to the idea.
This isn't just the "most votes" though I certainly do not know if either house of the AU Parliament can have motions with more than two options like in the case of this Speaker vote the wording seems to indicate that if this was possible a majority would still be needed.

From a corresponding question:
The Australian Government is part of the Australian Parliament. After a federal election, the party or coalition of parties with the support of the majority – more than half – of members elected to the House of Representatives becomes the government.

To remain in office the government must keep the support of the majority in the House of Representatives.

I can't seem to find out at the moment how Australia does it. Do they up/down vote a single PM candidate until someone gets approved or are all the parties leaders (plus randoms) nominated and there's a single ballot? Some countries (typically the French-Spain sphere) do one way and others (typically the UK sphere, which is why the US Speaker vote and the Electoral College is like this) do the other way.
Australian parties go to an election with a "nominated" leader.

If that person wins their seat at the election, the parliament meets and it is usually a formality for that person to be nominated by the house to sit as Prime Minister and to form government. As long as they have an absolute majority in the lower house (MPs rarely cross the floor and they would never cross the floor when deciding who will be PM). That nominated PM then goes to visit the Governor-General who will swear in them and their cabinet (must be MPs/Senators from the lower and upper house) in as a government.

If the party with the most lower house seats does not win an absolute majority (what we refer to as a simple majority), they must govern with the support of minor parties or independents (forming a minority government). They have the numbers only because there is an agreement with the independents to guarantee supply. This has happened quite often in federal and state parliaments. Until a new PM is sworn in, the old PM remains in a caretaker capacity.

If no party can get the support needed to guarantee supply, or they lose the support of the minor parties/independents during their term, then we go back to another election.*

*I am 99% sure this is how all this happens. It's been a while since I learned all this stuff.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town
« Reply #3952 on: January 05, 2023, 09:41:20 PM »
They should nominate "Generic Republican" that guy always does well in polls but never actually runs, he can probably bring the party together.

I don't think they can nominate Colin Powell on account of him being dead, but I'm not a lawyer.
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« Reply #3954 on: January 05, 2023, 09:53:15 PM »
A simple majority is still a majority, not a plurality. As your own link says:
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Most ideas – motions – are agreed to by a simple majority. A simple majority is when a majority of those who are present agree to the idea.
This isn't just the "most votes" though I certainly do not know if either house of the AU Parliament can have motions with more than two options like in the case of this Speaker vote the wording seems to indicate that if this was possible a majority would still be needed.

All major decisions must be decided by an absolute majority (i.e. >50% of the seats). This includes voting for speaker, PM (we do not have direct vote for PM), legislation etc. An MP/Senator missing a vote is pretty major and people have been hauled out of their sick beds to vote. Pretty sure they all are yea/nay votes.

Motions are not major decisions. I don't know if there are situations where they have more than two options, btu they probably do.

There is no reasonable situation in Australian politics where the position of PM or speaker has not already been negotiated within parties before taken to a vote.
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« Reply #3955 on: January 06, 2023, 09:32:35 AM »
The fallout of this spat between MAGA and RINO is quite remarkable.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1611338935384543233

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John Bolton is running for President, Trump's first Primary Challenger.

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« Reply #3956 on: January 06, 2023, 10:04:35 AM »
Happy insurrection day to those who celebrate
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« Reply #3957 on: January 06, 2023, 10:26:06 AM »
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1611164100884860931

Did he just literally m'lady CNN  :lol

Say what you will about the January 6th rioters it took them only about 30 minutes to elect a speaker.
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« Reply #3958 on: January 06, 2023, 02:34:58 PM »
"young lady"
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« Reply #3959 on: January 06, 2023, 04:37:54 PM »
I wish my queen would have responded more harshly.