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[Phoenix Dark]

I don't think their strategy runs that deep. It seems to me as if they are trying to create the illusion of there being a minor split between the two to keep McCain separate from the hate campaign. I don't think people are stupid enough to buy into that.

You may be an Sfag but it's good to see you understand politics my man

This is nothing more than a facade, not only to make Palin seem competent but to also keep McCain's hands as clean as possible. Palin does what she's told. McCain seems to disagree with his campaign every now and then, usually when they aren't directly in his ear (rallies and debates); he's a joke.

My post-election prediction, based on the assumption that Obama wins: Rove is going to move in early and take a lot of interest in Palin. If she's smart she'll block all of McCain's advisers from her phone and instead ally herself with Bush's folks.

[Beardo]

My post-election prediction, based on the assumption that Obama wins: Rove is going to move in early and take a lot of interest in Palin. If she's smart she'll block all of McCain's advisers from her phone and instead ally herself with Bush's folks.

Thats never gong to happen. When Obama wins nobody will want to touch Palin.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

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[Howard Alan Treesong]

My post-election prediction, based on the assumption that Obama wins: Rove is going to move in early and take a lot of interest in Palin. If she's smart she'll block all of McCain's advisers from her phone and instead ally herself with Bush's folks.

Thats never gong to happen. When Obama wins nobody will want to touch Palin.

Yeah, Palin is going to be toxic after this election (she already is). She'll try to run in 2012 but get knocked out in the debates.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I don't think their strategy runs that deep. It seems to me as if they are trying to create the illusion of there being a minor split between the two to keep McCain separate from the hate campaign. I don't think people are stupid enough to buy into that.

I think it does.  Part of it is because they are still trying to create Palin's image to be one other than a total clusterfuck in high heels.  Secondly, it also helps to create some preliminary propaganda for a 2012 campaign.  This assumes McCain knows he is going to lose and I think he knows that by now.

McCain is smart not to bring up Ayers because it is an economic debate.  If he brings it up, then that means that he is unwilling to talk about one of the most uncertain events going on since 1929.  It also reinforces the image that McCain has nothing except character attacks.  So if McCain were that dumb to bring up Wright and Ayers, he would lose a lot of support from the remaining moderates and center-rights who might consider themselves a conservative but aren't going to waste time pinning their hopes on a guy that can't give a straight answer.

Sarah Barracuda is going to have to take a backseat here.  Although I do want her to attack more because all it does is make McCain spend more time on damage control for his unruly, incompetent VP, whose ass he has been wiping now since the Couric interviews.

[Phoenix Dark]

My post-election prediction, based on the assumption that Obama wins: Rove is going to move in early and take a lot of interest in Palin. If she's smart she'll block all of McCain's advisers from her phone and instead ally herself with Bush's folks.

Thats never gong to happen. When Obama wins nobody will want to touch Palin.

You couldn't be more wrong. The conservative parts of the party (Newt and other old-wigs) will blame McCain's weakness and Palin's craziness on a loss. But unfortunately for the GOP, the crazies still run the mad house. 2012 is going to be all about introducing a candidate "in tune" with American values to take back the white house from the dirty liberals; in other words the party is going to nominate an extremist conservative. Who better than Palin? She's the perfect dough girl candidate, a pretty face trojan horse which can be molded into anything by her handlers. Just like Bush. Bobby Jindal may be respected by the crazies and the true conservatives but he's too exotic if you know what I mean.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Whenever I read about McCain "hitting the reset button" on the campaign, I picture him holding a PS2 controller, trying desperately to get that one Persona fusion he needs to defeat Obama.

[Human Snorenado]

Oh hell naw, Christopher Hitchens endorses Obama.

(Ok, it's more of a knock on McCain and Palin but he does say you should vote for Obama.)

On "the issues" in these closing weeks, there really isn't a very sharp or highly noticeable distinction to be made between the two nominees, and their "debates" have been cramped and boring affairs as a result. But the difference in character and temperament has become plainer by the day, and there is no decent way of avoiding the fact. Last week's so-called town-hall event showed Sen. John McCain to be someone suffering from an increasingly obvious and embarrassing deficit, both cognitive and physical. And the only public events that have so far featured his absurd choice of running mate have shown her to be a deceiving and unscrupulous woman utterly unversed in any of the needful political discourses but easily trained to utter preposterous lies and to appeal to the basest element of her audience. McCain occasionally remembers to stress matters like honor and to disown innuendoes and slanders, but this only makes him look both more senile and more cynical, since it cannot (can it?) be other than his wish and design that he has engaged a deputy who does the innuendoes and slanders for him.

[Phoenix Dark]

hasn't hitchens been a big fan of the Iraq War?

[Human Snorenado]

hasn't hitchens been a big fan of the Iraq War?

Yeah, but that's just because he's an evil atheist that thinks crazed radical muslims are the biggest threat to civilization.

[Human Snorenado]

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

^^^ Where is the maverick option?

As mentioned earlier, Palin will still be viable after 2008.  There will be a lot of conservatives that believe McCain lost because he didn't go far enough to the right.  Palin in the past week has tried to assert herself as the conservative attack dog and her base is lapping it up.  All she has to do is keep doing little stories like this to differentiate herself from McCain.  I doubt McCain is too happy with what she is doing but considering all the effort he's had to take to make sure that she looks as good as possible, I don't think he likes her at all because she's given little benefit and a lot of liability.  It would definitely be a Reagan/Bush situation if McCain were to win.

So all she has to do is keep making a name for herself and in the true media fashion, they will forget all about her numerous fuck ups.  All she will do then from 2008-2011 is go on the circuit, rally up her base, and talk about how McCain never gave her a fair shot.  She will make her rounds to right wing media, The View, and any media source that is toothless, which are plentiful enough to get her message for 2012 across.  Then she will garner enough popularity to make serious headway in the GOP caucuses.

I expect her to lose very easily though in 2012.  It would almost be like giving the election to Obama.  All Obama/Biden has to do is prove to the public and show them just how far to the right and outside of mainstream values they really are.  Palin also lacks the tact to really conceal what she does.  Since she has a vagina and is pretty, the media will overlook a lot of her gaffes but not all of them.  She will make too many mistakes and after 2012, she will be as good as dead in the GOP.

[Bloodwake]

Oh wow, there's a porno with a girl dressed like Palin?

Jesus Christ.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Her jaw is much more prominent these days than it was when she was in her teens and 20s.  Maybe she sucked a lot of dick in her lifetime.


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[Phoenix Dark]

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[Phoenix Dark]

Article on the due who created the "Obama's a secret muslim" meme
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5124&en=f925b91b314e4141&ex=1381636800&partner=digg&exprod=digg

I don't understand how someone could hold such contradicting opinions: "Jews own the media/world, put Israel above all" and "Obama's a secret muslim Manchurian candidate" don't quite mesh. If Obama was a secret muslim he wouldn't be where he is today

[Van Cruncheon]

it's easy to understand:

He (Andy Martin) is a law school graduate, but his admission to the Illinois bar was blocked in the 1970s after a psychiatric finding of “moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character.”

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/how-mccain-will-steal-the_b_133989.html

Another article on ACORN and the inevitable right wing spin we'll see in the event of an Obama win. It's very important the democrats push back on this bullshit. I hope to god that McCain brings up ACORN at the debate tomorrow, and Obama puts it to bed with a bit of humor ("If I register Micky Mouse and Donald Duck to vote will they show up on November 4th?")

[Flannel Boy]

it's easy to understand:

He (Andy Martin) is a law school graduate, but his admission to the Illinois bar was blocked in the 1970s after a psychiatric finding of “moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character.”

Wait, your admission into the bar can be blocked on psychological grounds. Shit, I'm wasting my time.  :'(

[Howard Alan Treesong]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/how-mccain-will-steal-the_b_133989.html

Another article on ACORN and the inevitable right wing spin we'll see in the event of an Obama win. It's very important the democrats push back on this bullshit. I hope to god that McCain brings up ACORN at the debate tomorrow, and Obama puts it to bed with a bit of humor ("If I register Micky Mouse and Donald Duck to vote will they show up on November 4th?")

Obama's already promised to go on the offensive on the ACORN bullshit. The best thing about McCain's distinguished mentally-challenged campaign is they like to telegraph their moves a day or two in advance, so it looks like the story is "building" or "has momentum" - but really this just gives the Obama campaign 48 hours to rapid response before they start the attack.

[Bloodwake]

Wow, McCain really IS grasping for straws now.

[Phoenix Dark]

Something is a little bit funny when Matt Drudge is treating 1-2 point gains for McCain in the Rasmussen and Zogby tracking polls as "BREAKING" news. Naturally, Drudge ignores other results like the just-released ABC/WaPo poll that show Obama continuing to gain ground.

Drudge has a nose for news, and he knows that a one-point gain in a tracking poll is not news -- unless someone desperately wants it to be.

So here's what I think is going on.

The McCain campaign is planning on a major "reboot" of its campaign in some point in advance of Wednesday night's debate. This will take on something of the form that Bill Kristol advocates in his must-read Monday AM piece in the Times, including some combination of (i) pledging to run a positive campaign; (ii) firing/demoting Steve Schmidt and or/Rick Davis; (iii) apologizing for his campaign's tone. In fact, Kristol's column may be something of a trial balloon for this strategy.

What the McCain campaign really, really doesn't want is for this move to be portrayed as desperate stunt. McCain has already developed a reputation for being a bit erratic under pressure -- the ABC/Post poll now shows that a 48-45 plurality of voters trust Obama to handle an "unexpected major crisis" -- and Bill Burton and Robert Gibbs must be foaming at the mouth waiting to spin something like this.

The only way for McCain to do that is for him to convince the media that he already had the momentum. The campaign will probably try and claim the moral highground, perhaps contrasting McCain's repudiation of the woman who called Obama an "Arab" on Friday against John Lewis's comments from Saturday. They will suggest that McCain found his voice, and made the "maverick" move of telling off the Beltway Republicans who were urging him to go for blood. They will suggest that the reboot is a continuation of this strategy, and that -- as the Zogby poll so obviously attests to! -- voters were already responding favorably to McCain's new tone.

It won't be an easy spin war for them to win. But they'd seem to have little left to lose, and if the media is reminded of the "old" McCain, they may tend to give his narrative the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/is-drudge-priming-mccain-reboot.html

Good points. McCain did a similar thing during the primaries when he revamped his campaign staff. Dunno how that'll work on a national stage but more importantly I really doubt this "new McCain!" narrative will work.

Unless he pulls off a major punch or victory in the debate I just don't see him having a real comeback

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I called it!

In all fairness though, a reboot is what McCain needs right now.  It will reek of political opportunism and that is exactly what it is.  It still is a better alternative to continuing the terrorist angle, which has done nothing but bring out the wrong support.  Not only that but Obama is still making gains in the polls, with only a few here and there showing +1 gain for McCain, which will be very brief, seeing as how this debate is over economics.

So with this reboot Hail Mary, McCain may lose -2 or -3 overall but if he keeps going with the Ayers/ACORN angle, he will lose over 5 points, maybe 10, before the 4th hits.  It is better to salvage some kind of victory in some respects rather than Obama getting over 400 EVs and obliterating the GOP.

Although I think that is going to happen anyway.  McCain's campaign is so much in tatters now that it is doing whatever it can try to do to slow down the mass exodus of the moderates and center rights to Obama.  I don't think the public is going to take anything McCain does seriously any more.  Now it will look like he is turning his back on his base, who clearly wants blood.

[Human Snorenado]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/how-mccain-will-steal-the_b_133989.html

Another article on ACORN and the inevitable right wing spin we'll see in the event of an Obama win. It's very important the democrats push back on this bullshit. I hope to god that McCain brings up ACORN at the debate tomorrow, and Obama puts it to bed with a bit of humor ("If I register Micky Mouse and Donald Duck to vote will they show up on November 4th?")

Obama's already promised to go on the offensive on the ACORN bullshit. The best thing about McCain's distinguished mentally-challenged campaign is they like to telegraph their moves a day or two in advance, so it looks like the story is "building" or "has momentum" - but really this just gives the Obama campaign 48 hours to rapid response before they start the attack.

Or, you know, he could just point out that McCain attended an event organized by ACORN in 2006.

The rally will feature Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) as the headline speaker along with elected officials, immigrants and key local and national leaders.  Sen. McCain is one of the chief sponsors of the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act; bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform legislation introduced last Congress and scheduled for consideration by the Senate in the coming weeks.  A similar rally with Sen. McCain is planned for New York City on February 27.

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The rally in Miami is being sponsored by the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN, Catholic Legal Services - Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia Vota en Acción, Service Employees International Union, and UNITE HERE.

DOH.  But then again, this was about immigration reform, which McCain has been extremely consistent on.  Uh, except for the part where he said earlier this year he wouldn't even vote for the bill that he helped sponsor on immigration reform. 

I'M JOHN MCCAIN, AND I APPROVE THIS CONFUSED AND CONFLICTING MESSAGE.

[MrAngryFace]

Mexican-Americans dont totally dig McCain these days

[laesperanzapaz]

now now

stereotyping entire 'voting blocs' as homogenous does you no good

[MrAngryFace]

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_camp_were_doing_big_eco.php

[hyp]

flip flop ya don't stop

[Brehvolution]

I don't understand the argument against Obama's 401K withdrawal plan.

1) It's that persons money and essentially a loan from yourself.
2) It will probably be enough to:
     A) Catch up on a mortgage.
     B) Pay off a credit card.
     C) Pay off unexpected medical bills.
     D) Put a down payment on a car to widen the radius of job prospects.

IMO, this could be just the thing to get millions of families back on their feet.

[Brehvolution]

McCain hears the same stuff yelled at Obama speeches as his own.
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[Akala]

McCain hears the same stuff yelled at Obama speeches as his own.
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[Howard Alan Treesong]

STOP LYING

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/how-mccain-will-steal-the_b_133989.html

Another article on ACORN and the inevitable right wing spin we'll see in the event of an Obama win. It's very important the democrats push back on this bullshit. I hope to god that McCain brings up ACORN at the debate tomorrow, and Obama puts it to bed with a bit of humor ("If I register Micky Mouse and Donald Duck to vote will they show up on November 4th?")

Obama's already promised to go on the offensive on the ACORN bullshit. The best thing about McCain's distinguished mentally-challenged campaign is they like to telegraph their moves a day or two in advance, so it looks like the story is "building" or "has momentum" - but really this just gives the Obama campaign 48 hours to rapid response before they start the attack.

And on this note, Tucker Bounds says McCain will challenge Obama on Ayers at the debate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/mccain-aide-i-expect-ayer_n_134259.html

More leaks than a Microsoft conference

[Van Cruncheon]

well, i'd rather mccain bring up an issue that had no real traction beyond the wishful rantings of the freeper set (ayers) than try to pull his usual wibbling economic defenses

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

So despite the debate topic being about the economy, McCain is going to talk about Ayers?

[Brehvolution]

I really hope Obama nails him if he does bring it up. Since Ayers is a professor at the U of I, does that make it a terrorist training ground?
Ayers was never charged with anything, just like McCain in Keating 5. Obama and Ayers worked to help poor people in Chicago some how leads to Obama palling around with terrorists?
I really hope McCain gets put in his place. But what would Fox cover then?

[TVC15]

My brother has successfully brainwashed his child.



smh at my brother for politicizing a child, but at least this is much less revolting than raising him in an organized religion.

[Phoenix Dark]

That picture has convinced me that Obama needs a high top fade

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I really hope Obama nails him if he does bring it up. Since Ayers is a professor at the U of I, does that make it a terrorist training ground?
Ayers was never charged with anything, just like McCain in Keating 5. Obama and Ayers worked to help poor people in Chicago some how leads to Obama palling around with terrorists?
I really hope McCain gets put in his place. But what would Fox cover then?

The right wing media will be obsessed about it well after the election.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

McCain bringing up Ayers would rule

Obama's team is probably already crafting a thermonuclear "bitch, please" retort as we speak

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[Phoenix Dark]

The best thing is that Obama gets to address the issue in front of millionnns of people, and put it to bed. I hope they have a witty retort in the making. The truth will suffice of course, but I want a memorable ownage; same with Acorn.

Also I wonder if McCain will truly bring it up. I wouldn't be surprised if he forgets or refuses to

[Brehvolution]

New McCain attack ad.
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[Human Snorenado]

So despite the debate topic being about the economy, McCain is going to talk about Ayers?

It was never about "the economy" solely.  It's about domestic affairs.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/mccains_fight.php

McCain advisers say they're saving their best material for the last ten days of  the race, when, the campaign hopes, three quarters of the remaining undecided voters will make up their minds, and their minds will be concentrating on Barack Obama. When the urgency of the presidential election impresses itself, the hope is that these voters will swing back to the familiar, rather than the unknown.  The last ten days, according to a McCain aide, are when the "imponderables" come into play.

[Van Cruncheon]

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/mccains_fight.php

McCain advisers say they're saving their best material for the last ten days of  the race, when, the campaign hopes, three quarters of the remaining undecided voters will make up their minds, and their minds will be concentrating on Barack Obama. When the urgency of the presidential election impresses itself, the hope is that these voters will swing back to the familiar, rather than the unknown.  The last ten days, according to a McCain aide, are when the "imponderables" come into play.

"hey, undecideds: he's BLACK."

[Howard Alan Treesong]

"At this dark time in American history, the last thing we need is another black spot on the White House. America needs a white knight to lead them out of the shadows, not colorful words. Sunny growth is just around the corner, just don't be niggardly with your vote this November 4th."

[Van Cruncheon]

"At this dark time in American history, the last thing we need is another black spot on the White House. America needs a white knight to lead them out of the shadows, not colorful words. Don't be spooked by the economic chatter; one candidate has the experience necessary, and in spades. Sunny growth is just around the corner, just don't be niggardly with your vote this November 4th. Remember: states' rights! States' rights!""

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[Human Snorenado]

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Oh hell naw!  Funkmaster Bob Barr is in your hizouse, encouraging you to trust in the invisible hand!  Word!

[Van Cruncheon]

"a darkie...? behind me...?"

[Phoenix Dark]

"Very frankly, Dana, I don't give a damn about an old unrepentant terrorist."

-- Sen. John McCain, in an interview with Dana Base on CNN, obviously getting tired of talking about Barack Obama and 1960s radical William Ayers.

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[Human Snorenado]

[demi]

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[Flannel Boy]

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ToxicAdam looks sad.

[MrAngryFace]

McCain bringing up Ayers would rule

Obama's team is probably already crafting a thermonuclear "bitch, please" retort as we speak

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There's a good newsweek article about how Axlerod prepares for all of this shit

[Howard Alan Treesong]

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is it wrong that I'm impressed he properly hyphenated "baby-murdering"

[Human Snorenado]

McCain bringing up Ayers would rule

Obama's team is probably already crafting a thermonuclear "bitch, please" retort as we speak

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There's a good newsweek article about how Axlerod prepares for all of this shit

Yeah, Axelrod is pretty gnarly.

Patel- no, I for one am impressed with his spelling and grammar.  He does look unhappy to be there, tho.  Probably something about a baby-murdering muslim about to be his President.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

McCain bringing up Ayers would rule

Obama's team is probably already crafting a thermonuclear "bitch, please" retort as we speak

policy by e-mail forward

There's a good newsweek article about how Axlerod prepares for all of this shit

Yeah, Axelrod is pretty gnarly.

Patel- no, I for one am impressed with his spelling and grammar.  He does look unhappy to be there, tho.  Probably something about a baby-murdering muslim about to be his President.

Obama's campaign gives me huge poliboners. It's been so mediated and awesome. They know what the shit they're doing. I mean, in 2008, a black man named Barack Hussein Obama is going to be our next president. If his campaign was running Jake Smith, white man from whiteytown, they would be up by 25.

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[Phoenix Dark]

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[Van Cruncheon]

<3 rachel maddow <3