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[Phoenix Dark]

It's weird that they made the same mistake twice: launching a system with no memorable software. The 3DS quickly rebounded though, and I figured the WiiU would have a killer app from Nintendo, plus a big third party title. Nope...

What if they launched with Mario Kart, and an exclusive third party fps for NA/EU instead of the pos Zombie game.

[ToxicAdam]

Wasn't the DS the same way until NintenDogs came out?


DS Launch

Asphalt Urban GT (Gameloft)
Feel the Magic: XY/XX (Sega)
Madden NFL 2005 (Electronic Arts)
Ping Pals (THQ)
Ridge Racer DS (Namco)
Spider-Man 2 (Activision)
Sprung (Ubisoft)
Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt (Nintendo)
Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour (Electronic Arts)

[MyNameIsMethodis]

It's weird that they made the same mistake twice: launching a system with no memorable software. The 3DS quickly rebounded though, and I figured the WiiU would have a killer app from Nintendo, plus a big third party title. Nope...

What if they launched with Mario Kart, and an exclusive third party fps for NA/EU instead of the pos Zombie game.

Unless they managed to get THE Call of Duty and it didn't show up on any other platform, a exclusive third party FPS would've been just as pointless / floppy

[Tasty]

Wii U will do fine in Japan, probably PS3 levels if not more, which is about as much as you can expect home consoles to do there nowadays. They'll sail the sales sea smoothly on the back of MH HD ports, Animal Crossing, Kirby, Mario, DQ, and if they're lucky some exclusive Tales games.

Nintendo really only has to worry about the west, and man, they definitely have to be sweating.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

It won't do PS3 levels. The second the PS4 comes out in Japan, as long as Sony don't fuck it up, the Wiiu will do 360 levels.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Wasn't the DS the same way until Nintendo Dogs came out?

DS is before smartphones.

People won't pay 40 dollars for Brain Training/Nintendo Dogs and a 150 dollar console to play that shovelware now (in the west).

Wii U will do fine in Japan, probably PS3 levels if not more, which is about as much as you can expect home consoles to do there nowadays. They'll sail the sales sea smoothly on the back of MH HD ports, Animal Crossing, Kirby, Mario, DQ, and if they're lucky some exclusive Tales games.

Nintendo really only has to worry about the west, and man, they definitely have to be sweating.

Why would it do PS3 levels? 

[Great Rumbler]

Wasn't the DS the same way until Nintendo Dogs came out?


DS Launch

Asphalt Urban GT (Gameloft)
Feel the Magic: XY/XX (Sega)
Madden NFL 2005 (Electronic Arts)
Ping Pals (THQ)
Ridge Racer DS (Namco)
Spider-Man 2 (Activision)
Sprung (Ubisoft)
Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt (Nintendo)
Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour (Electronic Arts)

Yes, and it sold rather poorly until then. And as Lager pointed out, we're now in the era of smartphones and sagging console sales. How Nintendo thought their 3DS/Wii U launch lineup would suffice in this environment, I can't imagine.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I dunno if you guys are joking but it will do massively better than PS3 and massively worse than the Wii.

But Wii did 12 million and PS3 is at 9 now.

So not that far apart.

[Tasty]

Why would it do PS3 levels? 

Why wouldn't it? PS3 succeeded in Japan despite Sony's homeland "efforts," while Nintendo has pretty much staked their flag on the island nation.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I jsut dont' see why anyone in their right mind would buy super outdated tech in the WiiU once the PS4 comes out. If Sony manage to get the same price / cheaper than a WiiU then its game over for nintendo in japan

[Tasty]

I jsut dont' see why anyone in their right mind would buy super outdated tech in the WiiU once the PS4 comes out. If Sony manage to get the same price / cheaper than a WiiU then its game over for nintendo in japan

Just like the 3DS when the Vita hit.

This might be close to rocket science, but games sell hardware. PS3 got a second wind midway through this gen that has been carrying it very well.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

The 3DS had a price cut before the Vita hit and it's backwards compatible hth

[Tasty]

The 3DS had a price cut before the Vita hit and it's backwards compatible hth

You don't think PS4 will be more expensive than Wii U? Wii U can also pricecut before the PS3 launches. It probably will.

You think PS4 is going to have backwards compatibility? Wii U does, like 3DS.

Best we can expect is Sony using Gaikai but I'm doubtful that'll be at launch, or for non-PS+ members.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Also the PS4 will get so many more games then Wii U 

The reason why PS3 is still selling now.

This second wind is called GAMES

[Tasty]

Also the PS4 will get so many more games then Wii U 

The reason why PS3 is still selling now.

I don't understand this post. PS3 is selling on the back of... nonexistent games for an unannounced system?

PS3 is selling because it has games Japanese gamers want, shocking I know.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

is that a compliment or a iunsult

[Eel O'Brian]

$50 price drop at e3, all models come with nintendoland...maybe pro controller pack-in?

[Tasty]

They'll probably give some more digital incentives.

Also if they don't announce the VC by E3 I'm going to cut someone.

[Tasty]

This second wind is called GAMES

Right, that's what I said...

[Don Flamenco]

$50 price drop at e3, all models come with nintendoland...maybe pro controller pack-in?

i'm not in unless they bow apologetically in unison.

[maxy]

Why would it do PS3 levels? 

Why wouldn't it? PS3 succeeded in Japan despite Sony's homeland "efforts," while Nintendo has pretty much staked their flag on the island nation.

I that case Nintendo would have to get current PS3 demographics.You know,people that buy Yakuza,Tales and that sort of stuff and they are currently deeply rooted to PS3.
Why would they move to WiiU?

Sony fucking up PS4 like Vita + Nintendo plan B is a different thing though.

[Tasty]

We'll probably see more of Bayo at E3, and maybe some Smash if we're lucky. Both are almost definitely 2014 though.

Possibly a DQX announcement as well, and maybe Retro's game.

[Tasty]

I that case Nintendo would have to get current PS3 demographics.You know,people that buy Yakuza,Tales and that sort of stuff and they are currently deeply rooted to PS3.
Why would they move to WiiU?

Sony fucking up PS4 like Vita + Nintendo plan B is a different thing though.

Nintendo getting Tales wouldn't be some massive deal, they've pulled off more shocking things before. Actually, I remember Iwata spotlighting Graces before it even had a name. Shame it didn't sell that well (or did it?)

Nintendo's been pretty aggressive at courting the "PS demographic" lately. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but I'd be more surprised if they didn't attempt anything.

[Cerveza mas fina]

How is nintendo targetting that demographic? Re6 on wiiu? Ffxiii LR?



Crysis 3?

Is there something like Gran Turismo?

[Tasty]

How is nintendo targetting that demographic? Re6 on wiiu? Ffxiii LR?



Crysis 3?

Is there something like Gran Turismo?

I meant on the 3DS, which gave hints at their current strategy.

MH, RE, MGS. All games which were traditionally associated with PS in Japan all got entries on 3DS, while the Vita didn't (well, it got MGS HD Collection.)

So far, Nintendo seems to be continuing this with Wii U. Publishing Bayo 2 and NG3+, collabing with the Tekken team, etc.

This isn't the same Nintendo as the one from the GameCube era which truly didn't care about third parties enough to actually reach out to them.

[maxy]

I that case Nintendo would have to get current PS3 demographics.You know,people that buy Yakuza,Tales and that sort of stuff and they are currently deeply rooted to PS3.
Why would they move to WiiU?

Sony fucking up PS4 like Vita + Nintendo plan B is a different thing though.

Nintendo getting Tales wouldn't be some massive deal, they've pulled off more shocking things before. Actually, I remember Iwata spotlighting Graces before it even had a name. Shame it didn't sell that well (or did it?)

Nintendo's been pretty aggressive at courting the "PS demographic" lately. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but I'd be more surprised if they didn't attempt anything.

Dunno,but there is one more thing you have to consider,

Third party has pretty much avoided Wii in Japan even when it was selling much much better than PS3.

[Tasty]

I that case Nintendo would have to get current PS3 demographics.You know,people that buy Yakuza,Tales and that sort of stuff and they are currently deeply rooted to PS3.
Why would they move to WiiU?

Sony fucking up PS4 like Vita + Nintendo plan B is a different thing though.

Nintendo getting Tales wouldn't be some massive deal, they've pulled off more shocking things before. Actually, I remember Iwata spotlighting Graces before it even had a name. Shame it didn't sell that well (or did it?)

Nintendo's been pretty aggressive at courting the "PS demographic" lately. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but I'd be more surprised if they didn't attempt anything.

Dunno,but there is one more thing you have to consider,

Third party has pretty much avoided Wii in Japan even when it was selling much much better than PS3.

They weren't hot on the PS3 for a while. I'm still unsure what turned it around for that system, but I do remember Wii and PS3 both getting somewhat tepid responses at first.

[maxy]

Games,what else.Guaranteed main entries in popular franchises.

[Eel O'Brian]

I that case Nintendo would have to get current PS3 demographics.You know,people that buy Yakuza,Tales and that sort of stuff and they are currently deeply rooted to PS3.
Why would they move to WiiU?

Sony fucking up PS4 like Vita + Nintendo plan B is a different thing though.

Nintendo getting Tales wouldn't be some massive deal, they've pulled off more shocking things before. Actually, I remember Iwata spotlighting Graces before it even had a name. Shame it didn't sell that well (or did it?)

Nintendo's been pretty aggressive at courting the "PS demographic" lately. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but I'd be more surprised if they didn't attempt anything.

Dunno,but there is one more thing you have to consider,

Third party has pretty much avoided Wii in Japan even when it was selling much much better than PS3.

I'm still unsure what turned it around for that system

price drops

[maxy]

Yeah,games combined with that.

[Mr. Gundam]

I that case Nintendo would have to get current PS3 demographics.You know,people that buy Yakuza,Tales and that sort of stuff and they are currently deeply rooted to PS3.
Why would they move to WiiU?

Sony fucking up PS4 like Vita + Nintendo plan B is a different thing though.

Nintendo getting Tales wouldn't be some massive deal, they've pulled off more shocking things before. Actually, I remember Iwata spotlighting Graces before it even had a name. Shame it didn't sell that well (or did it?)

Graces on the Wii sold alright, but Graces f on the PS3 thumped it.

[Tasty]

Games,what else.Guaranteed main entries in popular franchises.

Well that's part of my confusion, as to why the games started coming and why they started selling.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Bayo and NG sell like dogpoo no?

[Steve Contra]

I think Bayo sold decent (maybe million+ worldwide?) but not enough to justify it's existence.  NG3 had a shit taken on it's face, for good reason.

[Mr. Gundam]

Games,what else.Guaranteed main entries in popular franchises.

Well that's part of my confusion, as to why the games started coming and why they started selling.

1. MS exclusivity windows were up and they could start work on PS3 versions.
2. Fanbase was there, but buying into the system very slowly. The sales of certain titles (RGG series, One Piece Musou, Hokuto Musou, Gundam EXVS, MGS4, SRWOG, FFXIII, Tales) would back this up.
3. Devs didn't want to make Wii games. Although, they did try. Wii got Super Robot Wars and Tales titles, so someone tried.

I don't know, I'm sure Oscar can fill you in.

[archnemesis]

Bayonetta did alright, but on Wii U they'll both do worse.

[maxy]

Games,what else.Guaranteed main entries in popular franchises.

Well that's part of my confusion, as to why the games started coming and why they started selling.

1. MS exclusivity windows were up and they could start work on PS3 versions.
2. Fanbase was there, but buying into the system very slowly. The sales of certain titles (RGG series, One Piece Musou, Hokuto Musou, Gundam EXVS, MGS4, SRWOG, FFXIII, Tales) would back this up.
3. Devs didn't want to make Wii games. Although, they did try. Wii got Super Robot Wars and Tales titles, so someone tried.

I don't know, I'm sure Oscar can fill you in.

You also have to consider that Sony(PS3) had a lot of goodwill from publishers because of PS2.Just look at PSP early Western support.

[Tasty]

MS exclusivity window is as convincing a theory as anything I've thought of, guess it could be that. Hmm...

Bayonetta did alright, but on Wii U they'll both do worse.

Hmm, I dunno. Bayo 2 I can see doing well, Nintendo's usually a good publisher if anything else.

[Huff]

depends on what you mean by well. it ill probably hit 150k ww

[Mr. Gundam]

For the most part, people also seem to buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.

[Tasty]

For the most part, people also seem to buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.

Less true in Japan.

depends on what you mean by well. it ill probably hit 150k ww

Depends on the amount of time given. Should be a nice leggy game.

[maxy]

I think you have way too much faith in people,most of the will probably just bitch bitch bitch.

[Momo]

For the most part, people also seem to buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.

I'd kinda rebuy another Wii for Dokapon Kingdom alone, well or a PS2. Cant find that game in print anywhere reliable :/

[AdmiralViscen]

Is DQX considered an uber flop?

[Rahxephon91]

Is DQX considered an uber flop?

Isn't it an MMO? Don't think it has to do the usual DQ numbers to be successful. Plus it can continue to be a source of revenue long after its release. Like FFXI.

[AdmiralViscen]

Yea, FF sure has been doing great since FF11

[Himu]

How is nintendo targetting that demographic? Re6 on wiiu? Ffxiii LR?



Crysis 3?

Is there something like Gran Turismo?

I meant on the 3DS, which gave hints at their current strategy.

MH, RE, MGS. All games which were traditionally associated with PS in Japan all got entries on 3DS, while the Vita didn't (well, it got MGS HD Collection.)

So far, Nintendo seems to be continuing this with Wii U. Publishing Bayo 2 and NG3+, collabing with the Tekken team, etc.

This isn't the same Nintendo as the one from the GameCube era which truly didn't care about third parties enough to actually reach out to them.

Monster Hunter had an entry on Wii. It is not associated with Playstation as it has appeared on more platforms than Playstation.

Resident Evil hasn't been associated with playstation since the fucking Dreamcast with Code Veronica. Mix in Gamecube getting exclusive Resident Evil content in the likes of Zero and Remake and exclusive 4 deal until the ps2 version dropped, and your argument falls through a massive, massive hole. That's without mentioning that Resident 1 (psx/saturn/pc/ds), 2 (psx/n64/pc/gc/dc), 3 (psx, pc, dc, gc), 4 (gc/ps2/360/ps3/pc), 5 (360/ps3/pc), and 6 (360/ps3/pc) are all multiplat titles. Actually, every RE aside from REmake and Zero (again, for Nintendo platform) are multiplat. And RE is a Sony franchise? LOL

Metal Gear Solid is a Sony franchise? I don't even have the time to go over this one.

You really don't know what you're talking about. Your definition of "traditionally a Sony franchise in Japan" seems to "anything that Nintendo didn't get regularly" which is hilarious.

[Tasty]

I wasn't really being specific, but I don't think you really comprehend what I meant by "PS franchise." In Japan, if it isn't Nintendo, then it's Sony. Those franchises are not really something you'd associate with Nintendo systems.

As for MH specifically, Tri was the start of it being non-PS based and it was fairly recent, and in terms of the MH playerbase, not really worth noting until it came to the PSP as Portable 3rd.

Thinking about it, my only really poor example was RE. That's always been whored around and Nintendo-friendly.

The point of my post is that Nintendo is really going after the teen market. They've always had children, but now they're going after the market that Sony has traditionally had.

[Rahxephon91]

Yea, FF sure has been doing great since FF11

It has, but I thought you were asking about sales and since it's an MMO a decent player base can generate a lot of money. XI has had a decent playerbase and made more money then any other FF. I don't know what the quality opinion on DQ is since I don't like the series. The people at 8-4 seem to like it though.

[DCharlieJP]

The thing is that MH is going to be a multiplatform game whether fans of either side of the trenches like it or not.

This whole fake concern about splitting the fan base? Lol - Capcom don't give a flying toss. Their remit is to expand everywhere.

Timed exclusivity is almost up - bidding war will start all over again and whoever wins gets MH. Capcom will not give a fuck if that turns out to be MS or Sony, and it might not even matter what the installed username of the winning platform is.

[Father_Brain]

The thing is that MH is going to be a multiplatform game whether fans of either side of the trenches like it or not.

This whole fake concern about splitting the fan base? Lol - Capcom don't give a flying toss. Their remit is to expand everywhere.

Timed exclusivity is almost up - bidding war will start all over again and whoever wins gets MH. Capcom will not give a fuck if that turns out to be MS or Sony, and it might not even matter what the installed username of the winning platform is.

Did you time-travel here from a year ago or what?

[Tasty]

Ah, good analysis Oscar. I guess I was surprised because there was a gap in the middle of this gen when I didn't care about sales, so when I came back and saw the PS3 doing very well in Japan I was pretty perplexed, because I knew it wasn't Sony's doing. I guess it shows that it's never too late to turn a system around, or rather, it's never too late to get lucky.

[Tasty]

The thing is that MH is going to be a multiplatform game whether fans of either side of the trenches like it or not.

This whole fake concern about splitting the fan base? Lol - Capcom don't give a flying toss. Their remit is to expand everywhere.

Timed exclusivity is almost up - bidding war will start all over again and whoever wins gets MH. Capcom will not give a fuck if that turns out to be MS or Sony, and it might not even matter what the installed username of the winning platform is.

You think MS is going to bid for MH? Lol.

Sony must have seen by now how bad the lack of MH is hurting them, but so has Nintendo. I wonder which will be hungrier. I'm also wondering if Sony has given up on the Vita at this point in terms of paying cashola for games, or even if MH is enough to save the Vita. With a price drop, it may be enough to pull it up to respectable levels, but I almost think it could do long term damage to the series by not only continuing the sales decline but accelerating it sharply.

A Vita MH wouldn't likely come out until 2014 or 2015 anyways, unless it's something like 4G or Portable 4th. Even then, it'll probably be a while after 4, which is only coming out later this year... By the time Vita gets even a scrap, I wonder if its stomach will even be able to digest it or if it will just vomit it back up.

[Father_Brain]

I agree with some of what he's saying.  I mean, it's Capcom.  They're going to put the games where the cheddar is.  If they even have a passing thought about splitting the user base, they'll just separate the line again (a la Tri/3rd Portable/Frontier).  This is the company that gave a timed exclusive on their biggest franchise to the Gamecube.  This is the company that put a ton of exclusive games on the Dreamcast.  Monster Hunter  is WiiU/3DS-only today.  Tomorrow, things could entirely change, and it's not even something you can guess at by just looking at install bases, given their history.

Capcom Ports Everything really doesn't apply to their historical handling MH, though.  Until now, they've never supported either of the main series (MH, MHP) concurrently on multiple platforms, and while they've partly broken that pattern with MH3U, it seems to me that that's only because they've killed MHP as a separate series.

[Father_Brain]

Capcom "ports" everything doesn't apply to their handling of Monster Hunter (well, aside from MHP, MHP2, MHG Wii, MH Frontier, MH Tri G U, well, okay, it sometimes applies), but I don't see why we would restrict our prediction of Capcom's behaviour to a single series.  As a company they tend to spread their IPs out over multiple platforms and outside of Nintendo paying an inordinate amount of money, I can't see any reason to think they'll do anything different with MH.

I should stress, I don't see them porting 4 outside of its ecosystem for the time being.  But I certainly could see them reviving the Portable brand.  Even on a dying Vita, they'd get enough sales to make it worth their while, and it would have very little chance of disrupting their "main" MH business, just as Tri Wii didn't disrupt sales on Portable.

If they really wanted to put it on Vita, they could revive the Portable brand, but why?  As a charity donation to Sony?  It's not as though Vita is some enormous untapped market that they're overlooking, or that Capcom as a whole isn't extremely bearish on Vita (they haven't announced anything for the platform since TGS 2011).

Now, if we're talking about the inevitable MH4 HD, a multiplatform release is at least somewhat more plausible, since the split-userbase issue wouldn't be as much of a factor with online, and PS3 is obviously much more viable than Vita if Wii U fails to take off in the Japanese market.

[maxy]

3DS broke 10 million barrier in Japan,98 weeks.
 
10,068,192 sold as of 1/6/13.


That puts last week sales around 305k

[DCharlieJP]

You think MS is going to bid for MH? Lol.

 

[Tasty]

Seriously, you do? MS stopped caring about Japan a long time ago.

[DCharlieJP]

 

Oh man, next gen is going to be hilarious

[Tasty]

word.

Andrex, think about it this way: Did Nintendo at one point give up on the Gamecube?  Did that mean they weren't going to try ever aga-

wait, that's a bad example.

I don't think MS is going to toss the sacks of cash around in the same ways they did last gen, but there's no way they're not even going to try.  Japan's home console market may be smaller than it once was, but it's still pretty large by world standards.

OK, better question: why would MS bother moneyhatting MH when they don't even make a handheld? They'd be paying for table scraps.