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[cool breeze]

was Sega that bad of a third party publisher during the PS2 generation sale-wise? 

they put out some great stuff during those initial few years

[Stoney Mason]

Maybe it's just because 10+ years have passed, and Nintendo have released more installments in their tentpole franchises, but I just don't see Sega circa Dreamcast death having titles with the same clout as Mario, Zelda, or even Donkey Kong. What franchises did they have back then that had that sort of clout? Sonic? The 2k sports games? Waning interest in arcade type games helped kill Sega too.

But seriously... if Knack can sell 100k outside of bundles on PS4, how much would Mario 3D world do? Anyone wanna wager a guess?

Mario would definitely do well or at least better than Sonic has simply because they are better and deeper games than Sonic ever was.

MarioKart and Zelda would probably do fine but I have a feeling they would do less than people expect and be less of a big deal once that system exclusive cache has been removed.

Smash Brothers would do fine.

The thing is while they have plenty of other franchises in addition to these like Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong Country, Metroid, Kirby etc those are the franchises that would become a lot less of a big deal no longer being exclusive.

It's like the way people always talked up Sega's rich history of ip's but beyond a really small niche group, nobody cares about Shinobi, Golden Axe, etc. You can maybe turn those into something if you own the platform and market them well but when you don't have the platform to push their importance, they kind of stop being important. They become just relics of a past age.

[hampster]

Now that I have an ipad I'm more open to the idea of Japan moving to mobile.  But when will we get a Bravely Default, good epic single player jrpg for mobile?

I'm hoping the PC kickstarter RPG scene can spill over to tablets since many of them would probably work well, I enjoy playing games on my tablet and hopefully games like x-com and shadowrun prove there is a market there. That doesn't address the jrpg situation obviously but its a start. I figure some niche devs in japan will eventually just start including mobile in their multiplatform handheld releases

Wasn't there an article the other day that Japan spends more on mobile that the US? God I hope they are ready for premium price points (outside SE's milk machine) and not just f2p stuff

[bachikarn]

Nintendo isn't making money of the Wii U right? Especially if you account for the R&D costs?

I'm basing this off nothing, but I just feel that if they were to drop out of making consoles, it'd be better for them to make console games as a third party than not make console games at all. I'm assuming the will be able to keep on trucking with handhelds.

[Positive Touch]

  at sega first party having anything other than small niche appeal after the 90s

nintendo is getting trash sales right now because no one wants to invest in their shitty system. put new games on systems people want/own and they will sell again. they still have plenty of cultural cache. not saying a new metroid or animal crossing will light up the charts, but they could be modest success. hell, nintendos already got that "unambitious and cheap" low-risk mindset when it comes to development; they just need to follow thru with some titles. im sure theyll do it in the next few years as their current consoles become increasingly worthless.

[Smooth Groove]

at Japanese gamers' tastes.  10x worse than dudebros.  Glad they're not driving the direction of mainstream gaming. 

yeah, me too, i've been looking forward to the market crash for too long to have it ruined by a sudden shift to a financially-sustainable model.

Isn't it relatively easy to keep making money off rehashes of sports, FPS, Ass Creed franchises?

I'd rather play those than what you said is popular in Japan. 

[Smooth Groove]

It costs that much to make a Madden?  Seems like all they do is just update the rosters every year and add some superficial tweaks. 

[Stoney Mason]

Sonic, 2K, Shenmue, Crazy Taxi, Virtua Fighter, etc would see a major uptick in sales.

They certainly had a rich history of arcade properties but unfortunately the arcade was dying/dead at that moment. And the console market was moving toward story driven cinematic games (Shemnue aside). How do you evolve Crazy Taxi when the market is completely moving away from the conditions that made something like Crazy Taxi possible? It was a painful problem they weren't able to solve without becoming something completely different now than what they were.

[Smooth Groove]

Also, PSX stole many of Sega's fans.  People probably didn't care that much about Sega IPs after not having played them for years. 

OTOH, N64 had some of the best selling games of all time. 

[Stoney Mason]

OTOH, N64 had some of the best selling games of all time.

One bit of irony I look towards is that Nintendo had the best console single player and multiplayer shooter of its era with Goldeneye.

And then they pissed it all away over the years and have become the console no hardcore shooter fan would ever purchase.

[hampster]

Most 3rd party publishers seem pretty shitty so its reasonable to think if Nintendo became one they would probably become shitty too. In general, making good video games seems like a terrible way to create year over year shareholder growth. Anyway its a pointless discussion since I'm sure the egos are way too big at nintendo to ever drop console or handheld hardware. They'll cling to it to the bitter end

[Smooth Groove]

Nintendo should just jump ship like they did with the Virtua Boy.  This is not really like a Saturn situation since Wii U is doing even worse.  Sure there will be some disgruntled fans but it would be worth it in the long term to have something that can compete with PS4/Xbone.  Maybe they could keep the tablet compatible just to appease the Wii U owners a little. 

[Himu]

To be fair, VF4 DID see an uptick in sales, no? I never saw as many people caring about VF as I did when VF4 hit ps2.

[Smooth Groove]

Maybe in Japan but over here, I'm pretty sure that PS2 Tekken games were still killing VF. 

[Himu]

No doubt it would be. But Oscar said uptick, as in, better than what they were before.

[Smooth Groove]

Kinda sad but I think VF would have done much better if they had ditched the no-frills fighting simulator approach. 

[Smooth Groove]

Didn't all 3D fighting franchises drop in sales last gen?  If so, maybe VF5's decline wasn't that bad. 

[Himu]

Well, no. VF4 EVO didn't do that great iirc.

Also, VF5 did poorly. SF4 created a new interest in fighting games and unfortunately VF5: FS was released on consoles right when that bubble just about burst.

And I'm surprised VF4 was outsold by 2. But 2 WAS a big deal back in the day - if you had a Saturn at least.

[Smooth Groove]

It's interesting how MK and Injustice were able to have some success the last few years even though MK and American fighters in general became irrelevant for years. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Nintendo is finally dead. Good job Nintendo.

[Cerveza mas fina]

If Mario, zelda and pokemon dont chart... How much will bayonetta and x sale?

Im looking forward to picking up a wii u with a game in 2015 for 99 euro to play the one or two games I want.

[Cascade]

Call of Duty: Ghosts platform split:
XBO - 6.42%
PS4 - 7.39%
360 - 55.45%
PS3 - 30.42%
Wii U - 0.33%

  :deadpos :deadpos

I just don't understand. How?

 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Nintendo is a toy company, they will do fine if they close the home console market and focus only on handhelds.

Hell, if they close handheld market as well they can make Pokemon toys.

This would actually be a great time for nintendo to grow, if they released pokemon on phones with some iap.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Sega games werent big sellers before they went 3rd party.

At least I think I saw numbers and it was all in the 200/300k range (saturn and DC).

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nintendo is so fucked.  In the past, if they were in a corner, they'd just pump out Mario games to get them out of there.  It seems like we're hitting a point where Mario isn't enough and since Mario is the only trump card Nintendo has (or had), this is where things get really interesting.  Is Nintendo's solution to push out even more Mario games?  Wouldn't be surprised if we get Galaxy 3, Mario Sunshine HD, Paper Mario, Mario Kart 8, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Basketball, Mario Soccer, and Mario Baseball in 2014 and 2015.

[magus]

how does pokemon x/y compare to previous game? i always tought that was nintendo savior and i don't care about sales enough to understand if 400.000 copies between the two version is good or bad

[MCD]

Fastest selling console, bitches.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Seriously? Good to hear <3

I did my part as far as the Saturn is concerned.

[AdmiralViscen]

Sonic, 2K, Shenmue, Crazy Taxi, Virtua Fighter, etc would see a major uptick in sales.

They certainly had a rich history of arcade properties but unfortunately the arcade was dying/dead at that moment. And the console market was moving toward story driven cinematic games (Shemnue aside). How do you evolve Crazy Taxi when the market is completely moving away from the conditions that made something like Crazy Taxi possible? It was a painful problem they weren't able to solve without becoming something completely different now than what they were.

They were also a financial wreck, which Nintendo is not, or at least not yet.

[cool breeze]

looking at the rest of the numbers, Killzone ended up as the best selling exclusive and at around what the last two PS3 games sold.  I hope they don't take it as a sign that people want more Killzone.  Dead Rising 3 is the best on Xbox One, which I was sure would be the best period.   

and I don't know how they'd measure it but I want to know how the next gen upgrade stuff went.  technically anyone who did it on the xbox would have been counted twice.

[Brehvolution]

[Shaka Khan]

Sega games werent big sellers before they went 3rd party.

At least I think I saw numbers and it was all in the 200/300k range (saturn and DC).

SEGA had a few first party million-sellers in NA alone on DC.  Most of their stuff sold between 300k and 600k in NA though, but seriously, they were moving like half a million units of stuff like Virtua Tennis and Bass Fishing.

Worldwide they had at least 15 million sellers on DC, with a few of them over 2 million.  They had a similar number worldwide on Saturn.  This revisionist history stuff is hilarious.  They were pretty much the #3 publisher in software sales when they checked out of the hardware business.

Schooled.

[Himu]

Sega games werent big sellers before they went 3rd party.

At least I think I saw numbers and it was all in the 200/300k range (saturn and DC).

SEGA had a few first party million-sellers in NA alone on DC.  Most of their stuff sold between 300k and 600k in NA though, but seriously, they were moving like half a million units of stuff like Virtua Tennis and Bass Fishing.

Worldwide they had at least 15 million sellers on DC, with a few of them over 2 million.  They had a similar number worldwide on Saturn.  This revisionist history stuff is hilarious.  They were pretty much the #3 publisher in software sales when they checked out of the hardware business.

Schooled.

Dick sucked.

[Shaka Khan]

Jelly I don't suckle your clit, sis?

[Himu]

Jelly I don't suckle your clit, sis?

No. I just miss you.

[Bebpo]

Killzone SF will have no legs considering it's fucking terrible.


Also it's crazy that SF sold in the hundreds of thousands considering there's like 2-3,000 players online.  Guessing most people bought it as the graphic showcase FPS, then they played it and it was terrible and it went on the shelf.

[Smooth Groove]

Killzone has never been particularly popular.

It's weird why Sony would spend so much effort and money on shoving it down gamers' throats.  Sony would probably be better off putting those resources into a new IP. 

[Smooth Groove]

It's interesting how MK and Injustice were able to have some success the last few years even though MK and American fighters in general became irrelevant for years.

MK has literally never not sold well.  Yes, even when you thought it was selling badly, it was still moving more than SF4 ended up with.

Good catch.

I guess that's why gaming forums and podcasts really can't be trusted when it comes to judging commercial success.  It seemed like I've heard for a decade that MK was basically dead. 

[Mupepe]

Oh god. That sub zero game was so bad ( I beat it )

[Steve Contra]

[magus]

ehy oscar i was hoping you would answer my pokeyman question

[Tasty]

Willing to bet 35% or more of Pokemans was digital.

how does pokemon x/y compare to previous game? i always tought that was nintendo savior and i don't care about sales enough to understand if 400.000 copies between the two version is good or bad

Previous game? Black 2/White 2? Not sure that's a good comparison. Are we comparing second months here? LTD by the second month? What?

[magus]

just how it did compared to other pokemon launches... for example i tought B/W was like 1 million?

In the US, Black and White sold more than 1.08 million copies on day one

wikipedia says so

[Tasty]

X/Y sold 1.7 million units in the US in October. (Black/White sold 2.4 million copies in their first month in the US.)

Globally, X/Y sold 4 million copies in the first two days.

Global LTD's:

Pokémon Diamond and Pearl:             17.57 million
Pokémon Platinum:                            7.43 million
Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver:    11.90 million
Pokémon Black and White:                 15.42 million
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2:            7.81 million

My butt feeling is that XY are currently at around 6 million WW right now.

[magus]

ooohhh i see then i guess it doesn't really matter if they didn't chart on november uh....

[Tasty]

At the very least, it's easily the fastest selling 3DS game worldwide to-date.

[Takao]

At the very least, it's easily the fastest selling 3DS game worldwide to-date.

I thought you stan for Google and Nintendo, why are you trying to apply for a job at Microsoft?

[Tasty]

[maxy]

I think he is referring to "fastest selling console" MS PR.

[Tasty]

Oh, I don't read MS PR shyt.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Oscar how much did GOW3 sell?

[Cerveza mas fina]

[Rufus]

Christmas is going to be interesting.

[Shaka Khan]

Horrible. But to be fair, it surpassed the DC in Nov.

(But not by much lol)

[Raban]

Is it possible to add the Virtual Boy to that chart? At this point, it's probably more appropriate to compare the WiiU to that as opposed to consoles that actually moved units.

[Shaka Khan]

I'm sure if we factor inflation, we'll discover the Virtual Boy actually earned more revenues and caused less losses.

[Himu]

I don't remember vb lasting even a year.

[archie4208]

DayZ sold 172k copies in its first 24 hours.

RIP in peace PC gaming.  :'(

[archnemesis]

It's an alpha and it's not on sale. I might buy it in 6-12 months.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Apparently 92% of the revenue from the App store is from IAP

you know what this means  :'(