International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster

[Am_I_Anonymous]

If this failed rapper wants to be a martyr then he should just simply step outside and let a sniper put an extra breathing hole in his head already.

[Himu]

i used to be anti-caliphate, but in light of recent events I think I may be pro-caliphate. Muslims deserve to have a unified voice that speaks for their interests, and I feel like having someone who is similar to the Pope in terms of power and influence could really help Islam's image.

Whether or not this could help or make things worse, I'm not sure. But it's how I feel. The current status quo surely isn't working.

[T-Short]

They're dead

[Am_I_Anonymous]

i used to be anti-caliphate, but in light of recent events I think I may be pro-caliphate. Muslims deserve to have a unified voice that speaks for their interests, and I feel like having someone who is similar to the Pope in terms of power and influence could really help Islam's image.

Whether or not this could help or make things worse, I'm not sure. But it's how I feel. The current status quo surely isn't working.

I agree with this. However deciding who would be the voice of said caliphate will result in more violence I think

[Human Snorenado]

Pretending that having a PR talking head will help "solve" anything for Muslims is dumb- you're not going to get someone who represents a "majority" of Muslims, because Islam has major schisms and ignoring those is, as stated, dumb. At best you'd get a Shia Al Sharpton and a Sunni Jesse Jackson and they'd be outwardly polite to the other side while still throwing shade.

Also, pretending the Pope is some sort of Christian PR rep is insulting to non-Catholics for whom he does NOT speak, no matter how cuddly this Pope comes off as.

[Himu]

Maybe. But Islam without a caliphate is still harmful. An Indian muslim leader gave the guys who did the attack in Paris 8 million. With a caliphate, there would be someone to go to the media and denounce that. Without it, you have scared people like Lager-san who label all Muslims as violent lunatics. No united representation means no voice. I think that's much worse than the alternative. I never really said the pope speaks for all christians, but at the very least, he's a guy people can go to as a known leader and representative and helps people recognize that there are various viewpoints and ideas and schisms within Christianity. Islam, as it is now, is just seen as Islam without one care in the world towards differentiating Muslim viewpoints. Even if the caliphate doesn't represent all Muslim views, he doesn't have to. So long as he represents *a* view.

[Human Snorenado]

It would be helpful but it's not going to happen. For any influential guy that comes out and denounces stuff like this, you've got plenty of others like that fruitcake who wrote the op-ed that will say that you can't provoke Muslims by portraying Mohammed in any light, and sadly it's in the interest of the western media to focus on nuts like that anyway.

[Himu]

That much is true.

[Great Rumbler]

I don't even think most Catholics really care that much about what the Pope says/does. And when was the last time anybody asked the Pope to comment on something an ordinary Catholic in America did?

[Phoenix Dark]

But would the Muslim pope be Sunni or Shiite

[Am_I_Anonymous]

But would the Muslim pope be Sunni or Shiite

Wanna fight about it?

Signed,

A Baathist

[Brehvolution]

I don't even think most Catholics really care that much about what the Pope says/does. And when was the last time anybody asked the Pope to comment on something an ordinary Catholic in America did?

My Catholic father in law says the pope's comments on capitalism makes him sound like a communists. This pope can rub right wingers the wrong way.

[Human Snorenado]

Himu, this is a good piece on stuff.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/01/sharpening-contradictions-satirists.html

For those who require unrelated people to take responsibility for those who claim to be their co-religionists (not a demand ever made of Christians), the al-Azhar Seminary, seat of Sunni Muslim learning and fatwas, condemned the attack, as did the Arab League that comprises 22 Muslim-majority states.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/119710/Egypt/Politics-/AlAzhar-and-Arab-League-condemn-Paris-attack.aspx

[Great Rumbler]

Himu, this is a good piece on stuff.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/01/sharpening-contradictions-satirists.html

For those who require unrelated people to take responsibility for those who claim to be their co-religionists (not a demand ever made of Christians), the al-Azhar Seminary, seat of Sunni Muslim learning and fatwas, condemned the attack, as did the Arab League that comprises 22 Muslim-majority states.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/119710/Egypt/Politics-/AlAzhar-and-Arab-League-condemn-Paris-attack.aspx

*cut to Fox News host complaining that Muslims and Muslim groups never condemn terror attacks*

[Positive Touch]

jfc himu

it's not Muslims fault that millions of dipshits in the west want to view them as violent

[Great Rumbler]

jfc himu

it's not Muslims fault that millions of dipshits in the west want to view them as violent

But I bet Western conservatives would totally not have a complete freakout if an actual caliphate took over the entire Middle East to unite hundreds of millions of Muslims under a singular leadership!

[Himu]

jfc himu

it's not Muslims fault that millions of dipshits in the west want to view them as violent

That's a pretty fucking bad argument considering that we just had Muslims kill people in a newspaper building over making cartoons, sorry. Glossing over the problem by saying,"not ALL muslims aren't violent" is unhelpful and doesn't really correlate with reality in a world with ISIS and cartoon newspaper shootings. That's not to say that all Muslims are violent or extremist, because they aren't, but the idea that we should gloss over Islam's propensity towards extremism - because not ALL muslims aren't like that - is insane. I never said it was Muslims' fault at all, especially given the inerrant fact that there are economical and social reasoning discussed on this very page as to why that isn't, but acting like the current status quo of "let's not do anything" while cartoonists are being shot is fucking stupid.

[Positive Touch]

cool and all the western Christian nations can get together and apologize for their histories and current wars/violence against other nations and then we'll finally have world peace

[benjipwns]

*cut to Fox News host complaining that Muslims and Muslim groups never condemn terror attacks*

okay:

[Mr Gilhaney]

When T tries to rush CT spawn in CS

(video of shooting) http://s1.webmshare.com/LJ7OB.webm

[Cerveza mas fina]

cool and all the western Christian nations can get together and apologize for their histories and current wars/violence against other nations and then we'll finally have world peace

Which christian nations? Which wars are they fighting for religions sake?

All i see is muslim terrorists killing people

[Positive Touch]

gee I wonder why that's all you see

[Positive Touch]

ok lemme give a less glib response while I try to sort this out in my head

the us and European countries bomb the shit out of a lot of muslim countries daily, in addition to fucking with them in a lot of other ways. THAT'S ofc the main reason why there's so much rage. the cartoons and shit are like a daily "ha ha fuck you" to drive home the point.

again, not trying to make that an excuse, because there was no excuse for what those dudes did. but the narratives that emerged, about omg they can't handle cartoons or omg evil Muslims completely ignores the bigger context while fitting nearly into our existing Islamophobic narrative. that's what's getting on my nerves.

does that make sense? fuck it, I already typed too much

[benjipwns]

No, it's because they hate us for our freedoms.

Blowback theory is just a myth, which is why we need to turn the Middle East into glass for daring to launch terrorist attacks on U.S. soil.

[Cerveza mas fina]

So youre not making an excuse but you are.

If they are so pissed at the fighting against isis maybe they shoulf go join them instead of killing cartoonists. Fucking cowards.

Why are they even in Europe anyway? Why not go back to their dream muslim states if we are so rotten?

Oh wait...

[Cerveza mas fina]

Obviously im talkinh about extremists here not your average muslim that is part of society.

Door to go back to paradise is open and no one would stop them from leaving.

[Brehvolution]

Esch's bro spitting the ether.

[Phoenix Dark]

 

[doctavius bonbon]

fucking ethered

loved how they ended it with "just askin the questions!!!"

[Rufus]

https://storify.com/tometty/staunch-defenders-of-free-press-attend-solidarity

[Great Rumbler]

Boko Haram, man, I just can't even.

[Rufus]

If anyone deserves Ebola...

[Positive Touch]

https://storify.com/tometty/staunch-defenders-of-free-press-attend-solidarity

between this and the way French protesters are co-opting recent u.s. protest images/methods, the whole thing is looking like a huge fucking joke. je suis Charlie, indeed.

[Phoenix Dark]

No major US folks went to the big rally huh?

[Great Rumbler]

No major US folks went to the big rally huh?

Eric Holder

Edit: Hmm, apparently no US officials in Paris actually took part in the rally.

[Phoenix Dark]

He wasn't at the rally, he was at a summit in Paris.

just seems weird.

[Himu]

cool and all the western Christian nations can get together and apologize for their histories and current wars/violence against other nations and then we'll finally have world peace

Who said anything about Christianity? I'm not giving an excuse to Christianity at all.

[Himu]

Esch's bro spitting the ether.

[Madrun Badrun]

ISIS has finally gone too far

http://imgur.com/a/IoV1x
https://plus.google.com/+notepad-plus-plus/posts/btH6ttQ1Sud

[Himu]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/30777607

[Great Rumbler]

Remember how France had a huge rally in defense of free speech just a couple days ago? Well:

French comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala was arrested Wednesday for allegedly expressing sympathy for one of the Paris attack terrorists in a Facebook post, The Guardian reported.

“Tonight, as far as I’m concerned, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly,” the comedian allegedly wrote, as quoted by The Guardian. The post has since been removed, and it combined the slogan “Je suis Charlie" with the name of Amedy Coulibaly, who killed four people in a Paris kosher market.

An anonymous justice source told The Guardian that Dieudonné was arrested for being an "apologist for terrorism.”

Dieudonné — infamous for his "quenelle" gesture that critics say is reminiscent of the Nazi salute — attended the rally for free speech in Paris on Sunday, which he also called “a magical moment comparable to the big bang" in his Facebook post.

The French government had previously banned the comedian's show for anti-Semitism. The U.K. also barred Dieudonné from entering the country last year.

In a city still shaken after deadly Islamic terror attacks, authorities said 54 people had been detained for defending or glorifying terrorism.

 

[Positive Touch]

woah wait you mean to tell me is about Islamophobia and not free speech like all these enlightened-and totally-not-racist people had been telling me? WHO KNEW?!

[Joe Molotov]

Thanks, Obama!

[benjipwns]

"Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don’t give it any value. It’s not my job to give value to an American concept.’"

[Am_I_Anonymous]

cool and all the western Christian nations can get together and apologize for their histories and current wars/violence against other nations and then we'll finally have world peace

yeah but then we need to figure out where we have to displace the moors....I can't be assed to do that.

[Brehvolution]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/texas-gun-rights-group-reenacts-paris-massacre-with-armed-civilian-and-everyone-still-dies/

What was the point they were trying to make again? 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I'm a gun guy and even I don't get the point of that.

Assume arming everyone turns them into Arnold in Commando, brehs.

[Great Rumbler]

Assume arming everyone turns them into Arnold in Commando, brehs.

Do you mean to tell me that this doesn't represent reality?

[Mupepe]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/texas-gun-rights-group-reenacts-paris-massacre-with-armed-civilian-and-everyone-still-dies/

What was the point they were trying to make again? 

[benjipwns]

Do you mean to tell me that this doesn't represent reality?

No, this does:


(wanted the boat part too )

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I loved you in Wall Street!

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[Cerveza mas fina]

woah wait you mean to tell me is about Islamophobia and not free speech like all these enlightened-and totally-not-racist people had been telling me? WHO KNEW?!

Its the media amirite?

[Rufus]

Turkish military says MIT* shipped weapons to al-Qaeda
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/turkey-syria-intelligence-service-shipping-weapons.html#

*Turkey's National Intelligence Agency

[Madrun Badrun]

O, not that MIT

[EvilLore Killah]

Remember how France had a huge rally in defense of free speech just a couple days ago? Well:

French comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala was arrested Wednesday for allegedly expressing sympathy for one of the Paris attack terrorists in a Facebook post, The Guardian reported.

“Tonight, as far as I’m concerned, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly,” the comedian allegedly wrote, as quoted by The Guardian. The post has since been removed, and it combined the slogan “Je suis Charlie" with the name of Amedy Coulibaly, who killed four people in a Paris kosher market.

An anonymous justice source told The Guardian that Dieudonné was arrested for being an "apologist for terrorism.”

Dieudonné — infamous for his "quenelle" gesture that critics say is reminiscent of the Nazi salute — attended the rally for free speech in Paris on Sunday, which he also called “a magical moment comparable to the big bang" in his Facebook post.

The French government had previously banned the comedian's show for anti-Semitism. The U.K. also barred Dieudonné from entering the country last year.

In a city still shaken after deadly Islamic terror attacks, authorities said 54 people had been detained for defending or glorifying terrorism.

 

So be a Charlie or be arrested.
Fuck you France!

[benjipwns]

Greece is about to have an election:

SYRIZA 35.5% (Coalition of the Radical Left)
Nea Dimokratia 30.5% (New Democracy)
To Potami 7% (The River)
KKE 7% (Communist Party of Greece)
PASOK 5% (Panhellenic Socialist Movement)
Golden Dawn 6.5%
Independent Greeks 3%
To Kinima 2% (The Movement)
Other party 2%

KAPA Research

SYRIZA 31.2%
Nea Dimokratia 28.1%
To Potami 5.4%
PASOK 5%
KKE 4.9%
Golden Dawn 4.7%
Independent Greeks 2.7%
To Kinima 2.7%
Other party 3.6%
White/invalid 2.1%
Undecided 9.6%

You need 151 seats for a majority in the Greek parliament.

Communist Party of Greece is Marxist-Leninist. But not to be confused with the Communist Party of Greece (Marxist-Leninist) or Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Greece. Nor the Anticapitalist Left Cooperation for the Overthrow.

If you're looking for Maoism you want the Organization for the Reconstruction of the Communist Party of Greece.

If you'd like to restore the Monarchy, you want National Hope.

And if you're sane you can be one of the 1% to vote for the only liberal party, Drasi. Just like in America. 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I mean jesus fuck.....I wish the middle east would at least join us in thh 18th century.....

[Am_I_Anonymous]

So wait, who is the biggest offender over there now guys?

Gays?
Christians?
Atheists?
Women who dare show their legs in public?


I can't wait until shale oil bankrupts those fucking cunts.

[Great Rumbler]

Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo told CNN anchor Christiane Amanpour on Tuesday that the city plans to sue Fox News for its "prejudiced" coverage of the city.

"When we're insulted, and when we've had an image, then I think we'll have to sue," Hidalgo told Amanpour in the interview. "I think we'll have to go to court, in order to have these words removed."

"The image of Paris has been prejudiced, and the honor of Paris has been prejudiced," she added.

When Amanpour asked for a specific network among the American news outlets, the mayor answered with two words.

"Fox News," she said.

[Broseidon]

[Yeti]

Yemen had a pretty big day today

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_YEMEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-22-12-54-05