Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster (Read 1312787 times)

kingv · « **Reply #8700 on:** February 28, 2020, 04:12:18 PM »

Russia and a Turkey fighting each other is awesome and everyone should just let it slide and kick Turkey out of NATO.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #8701 on:** February 28, 2020, 07:09:35 PM »

letthemfight.gif

Trent Dole · « **Reply #8702 on:** February 28, 2020, 09:27:56 PM »

VomKriege · « **Reply #8703 on:** February 28, 2020, 09:50:32 PM »

What does it even mean ? I imagine it's banning "displays" of signs and behaviors ?
Backwards as fuck.

Nintex · « **Reply #8704 on:** February 29, 2020, 12:42:43 PM »

Erdogan smiled as he announced 30k refugees would flood Greece.
Turks didn't like that he smiled and cracked jokes about his call with Trump.

https://twitter.com/cerenyurt_/status/1233779539777662978

Quote

Erdogan: Yesterday, Trump said, "What are they doing there?" I said, "There is oil in Kamisli". He said "Is there?", I said "Yes", but I said "not as much as Deyrezor."

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #8705 on:** February 29, 2020, 03:18:06 PM »

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #8706 on:** February 29, 2020, 05:28:36 PM »

I'd be worried if I was Margaret Thatcher.

team filler · « **Reply #8707 on:** February 29, 2020, 05:50:30 PM »

guess she is very lucky

Tripon · « **Reply #8708 on:** February 29, 2020, 06:01:40 PM »

Quote

Boris Johnson is asking the EU for a Canada-style trade deal but will consider whether to walk away from talks in June and prepare for an “orderly” exit from the transition period.

Setting out its negotiating mandate for EU talks, Downing Street said it wanted “regulatory freedom” from the EU and would not accept any role for the European court of justice (ECJ) in dispute resolution mechanisms.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/27/uk-says-it-will-consider-walking-away-from-brexit-talks-in-june

VomKriege · « **Reply #8709 on:** February 29, 2020, 07:45:19 PM »

To the surprise of no one (except for the timing, they slipped that in alongside a Corona virus emergency session), the French government is invoking article 49.3 for the controversial pensions reform. If you don't know already, article 49.3 basically forces a bill through as is and the only alternative is a vote of no confidence. 300 amendments have been included and supposedly some changes suggested in talks with unions (?) but basically it's fuck you with insufficient lube.

shosta · « **Reply #8710 on:** February 29, 2020, 07:53:01 PM »

I guess that article about centrists being the ones most likely to dispense with democracy really was right.

VomKriege · « **Reply #8711 on:** February 29, 2020, 07:59:50 PM »

Quote from: shosta on February 29, 2020, 07:53:01 PM

I guess that article about centrists being the ones most likely to dispense with democracy really was right.

It's been used 86 (well 87 now I guess) times since 1958, including 28 times by "Second Left" Socialist Rocard (in the span of 3 years) so it's not exactly new.

I guess the argument was that the opposition was flooding tens of thousands of amendments to obstruct, which is true, but it's doubly jarring since successive governments have decided to just ignore public demonstrations and protests.

shosta · « **Reply #8712 on:** February 29, 2020, 08:00:54 PM »

Honestly it just sounds like a formalized version of hostage taking

VomKriege · « **Reply #8713 on:** February 29, 2020, 08:12:01 PM »

Quote from: shosta on February 29, 2020, 08:00:54 PM

Honestly it just sounds like a formalized version of hostage taking

It's basically an automatic, guaranteed whip to the majority and a cheat code against any gaming of the technicalities. It's hilarious overkill because the system is set up from the ground up to ensure solid, obedient majorities in the Assembly already. At the end of Hollande's term, when he was in the absolute pits popularity wise and with leftists in particular, a lot of Socialist MPs got loud and brazen but even then there was no chance of a vote of no confidence passing.

benjipwns · « **Reply #8714 on:** March 01, 2020, 01:16:06 AM »

In today's random election news where benji discusses a country he barely knows the situation of but you might know less so trust him as if he's an expert.

Smer (the governing party most associated with Robert Fico) got beat in Slovakia. The "Ordinary People" (lol) who are sorta like christian democrats made a huge jump of 30+ seats (out of 150), the opposition in general seems to have won a majority. The "new parties" together gained like 25 points, although the new progressive/left party looks like it's short of getting any seats it was part of the "opposition" coalition in the campaign.

I did see a conservative American site tag it as a "Right defeats Socialists in Slovakia!" type election in a THIS MEANS TRUMP WINS OVER BERNIE sort of post. But it's more one of those Eastern European type situations where you have the "old" parties and the "new" parties, so there's a split more on "old corruption" and "new promises of anti-corruption" than ideological. I think the one coalition has the anti-Europe fascists, borderline libertarians and former communists now social democrats in it and the other has christian democrats, American-type progressives and pro-Europe neoneoliberals.

BisMarckie · « **Reply #8715 on:** March 01, 2020, 08:41:10 AM »

I am truly sorry that I can’t engage you in a discussion about Slovakian politics. :'(

Slovenia however....

benjipwns · « **Reply #8716 on:** March 01, 2020, 07:23:13 PM »

The "new democracies" are adorbs

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #8717 on:** March 01, 2020, 07:43:14 PM »

Quote from: BisMarckie on March 01, 2020, 08:41:10 AM

I am truly sorry that I can’t engage you in a discussion about Slovakian politics. :'(

Slovenia however....

ok melania

team filler · « **Reply #8718 on:** March 01, 2020, 10:53:16 PM »

shosta · « **Reply #8719 on:** March 02, 2020, 11:29:33 AM »

greek border guards shot a refugee in the throat when he tried to cross

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https://twitter.com/SharifMugh/status/1234392870062317568

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just brutal.

BisMarckie · « **Reply #8720 on:** March 02, 2020, 11:36:13 AM »

There are a lot of fake news out there, especially fueled by Turkish State media, I wouldn't believe pretty much anything tbh.

jorma · « **Reply #8721 on:** March 02, 2020, 12:25:41 PM »

Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 11:36:13 AM

There are a lot of fake news out there, especially fueled by Turkish State media, I wouldn't believe pretty much anything tbh.

You're not wrong, but this one is probably true though.

someone shot him, that's not fake news
the Turks probably didn't shoot him leaving the country because why would they?
he was shot with rubber bullets, and this isn't the first recent accusation of Greeks using them (on their own citizens)
the Greek police are using teargas against the refugees, that's not fake news either.
teargas and rubber bullets does feel like quite an "iconic duo" when it comes to crowd control

BisMarckie · « **Reply #8722 on:** March 02, 2020, 12:28:21 PM »

There are a lot of old videos out there claiming to be documenting clashes of migrants with the Greek border police.

BisMarckie · « **Reply #8723 on:** March 02, 2020, 12:34:35 PM »

Erdogan unleashed his troll army, but they are not as subtle as the Russians

Btw. that picture is 5 years old.

Kunai With Chain · « **Reply #8724 on:** March 02, 2020, 01:00:56 PM »

I mean Turkey is now threatening with letting millions of refugees attempt crossing into EU, unless Europeans help them out in Syria. What are European countries supposed to do? The last bout of refugee crisis already fucked them up, a new one could doom them.

Nintex · « **Reply #8725 on:** March 02, 2020, 01:14:52 PM »

Quote from: Kunai With Chain on March 02, 2020, 01:00:56 PM

I mean Turkey is now threatening with letting millions of refugees attempt crossing into EU, unless Europeans help them out in Syria. What are European countries supposed to do? The last bout of refugee crisis already fucked them up, a new one could doom them.

Erdogan apparently really, really, really wants the far right to take over Europe so they become bigger friends with Russia.

The Sultan is just constantly shooting himself in the dick at this point.
Kinda adorb

Nintex · « **Reply #8726 on:** March 02, 2020, 03:44:33 PM »

Thank you Jared

https://twitter.com/AmySpiro/status/1234570215201083393

Raist · « **Reply #8727 on:** March 02, 2020, 04:56:27 PM »

Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 11:29:33 AM

greek border guards shot a refugee in the throat when he tried to cross
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https://twitter.com/SharifMugh/status/1234392870062317568
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just brutal.

I, too, get my international news from random twitter accounts.

shosta · « **Reply #8728 on:** March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM »

Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!

curly · « **Reply #8729 on:** March 02, 2020, 05:08:08 PM »

social demokrats sucking on the teat of capital

jorma · « **Reply #8730 on:** March 02, 2020, 05:21:23 PM »

Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM

Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!

you could easily have gotten it from the swedish meps or msm because they all seem to think that this syrian dude was shot at the border today (of all days) instead of five years ago.

BisMarckie · « **Reply #8731 on:** March 02, 2020, 05:32:28 PM »

Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM

Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!

Could be because Turkish trolls are flooding social media channels with fake news or we caught the Trump virus from Nintex and want to #buildthewall.

btw. nothing about any deaths in any german news outlet, regardless of political leaning

Nintex · « **Reply #8732 on:** March 02, 2020, 05:33:47 PM »

Erdogan send his Grey Wolves goons out to chase people from refugee areas towards the borders and released human traffickers from jail as he says he's going to flood Europe with millions of refugees.
Erdogan says he rejected a money offer from the EU. The EU says they didn't offer him anything and he just needs to uphold the deal.

The Pentagon has said they will not give air cover to Turkey in Idlib. Leaving them to fend from themselves with their drones, which even though they have some success against Assad's forces are shot down frequently with their own "rebels" mistaking them for Russian planes.

Greece and Turkey are moving closer to a shooting war with the Turkish coastguard trying to escort refugee boats past Greek patrols.
The Greeks are pissed and reinforcing both their naval and border forces.

It is only a matter of time before the next 'Syrian' plane hits one Erdo's convoys and the Russians offer help and safety for Turkish soldiers in the form of a covered retreat.

jorma · « **Reply #8733 on:** March 02, 2020, 05:40:15 PM »

Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 05:32:28 PM

Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!

Could be because Turkish trolls are flooding social media channels with fake news or we caught the Trump virus from Nintex and want to #buildthewall.

btw. nothing about any deaths in any german news outlet, regardless of political leaning

According to swedish media, he was 22 years old, his name is Mohammed Al Arab and they also claim to have talked to his cousin about it.

shosta · « **Reply #8734 on:** March 02, 2020, 05:50:39 PM »

It's been hours so if it was true it would have been confirmed by now. My bad!

BisMarckie · « **Reply #8735 on:** March 02, 2020, 05:52:31 PM »

nope, nothing, even google news gives me nothing.

Mohammed Al Arab sounds like a fake name btw.

jorma · « **Reply #8736 on:** March 02, 2020, 06:00:29 PM »

Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 05:52:31 PM

nope, nothing, even google news gives me nothing.

Mohammed Al Arab sounds like a fake name btw.

it really does

or a really common one

https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1234456747504480257

Nintex · « **Reply #8737 on:** March 02, 2020, 06:52:08 PM »

Quote from: jorma on March 02, 2020, 06:00:29 PM

Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 05:52:31 PM
nope, nothing, even google news gives me nothing.

Mohammed Al Arab sounds like a fake name btw.

it really does
or a really common one

https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1234456747504480257

Jenan Moussa is the wife of a Dutch reporter she would never spread misinformation and is often reporting from first hand accounts

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #8738 on:** March 03, 2020, 01:07:45 AM »

Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM

Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/fcey3j/and_dont_even_get_them_started_on_the_gypsies/

team filler · « **Reply #8739 on:** March 04, 2020, 02:57:23 PM »

https://twitter.com/AlHadath/status/1235228164592459778

shosta · « **Reply #8740 on:** March 04, 2020, 03:01:31 PM »

Lebanon is probably going to have to take the IMF austerity package, Iraq is in a full blown political crisis since last December, Iran just released 54000 prisoners because of coronavirus... crazy times in the middle east

shosta · « **Reply #8741 on:** March 04, 2020, 03:16:04 PM »

Btw, Bellingcat is still running with the general story about violence against refugees.

https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1235277565046050816

Himu · « **Reply #8742 on:** March 04, 2020, 03:19:12 PM »

Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 12:34:35 PM

Erdogan unleashed his troll army, but they are not as subtle as the Russians

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Btw. that picture is 5 years old.

What a great photo.

That figure to ground.

I can only get a sense of what it was like taking that shot. Kudos to the photographer.

Nintex · « **Reply #8743 on:** March 04, 2020, 03:19:24 PM »

Caught on the radio that multiple EU countries will likely send troops and ships to the Greek border to help out defending it.

Seems like all Erdogan did is to make it harder for his smugglers and dealers to cross into Europe.

team filler · « **Reply #8744 on:** March 04, 2020, 03:27:25 PM »

bellingcat

VomKriege · « **Reply #8745 on:** March 04, 2020, 05:56:52 PM »

The Cassation Court, the highest judicial court in France, confirmed a ruling against Uber on behalf of one of its drivers (that they cut loose from the platform a few years ago) The court judges that working for Uber doesn't qualify as being an independant contractor and that the driver was in fact an employee with all the benefits and protections attached. The court judges that in almost every aspect the driver was a direct subordinate of Uber, "not constituting his own clients portfolio, not freely setting his prices, not choosing how to execute his assigned tasks". Apparently 150 drivers have a case going or threatened to do so in the past, according to Uber.

For the time being it means that any driver challenging Uber in courts to be requalified as an employee should win, which could collapse the whole Uber (& competitors & similar [food] deliveries platforms) business models.

shosta · « **Reply #8746 on:** March 04, 2020, 06:00:20 PM »

It won't collapse them but it'll definitely drive their prices up well beyond what they are now.

VomKriege · « **Reply #8747 on:** March 04, 2020, 06:06:26 PM »

Quote from: shosta on March 04, 2020, 06:00:20 PM

It won't collapse them but it'll definitely drive their prices up well beyond what they are now.

Which is kind of the same, really. Uber prices are 80% of the appeal (there's something to be said for the plentiful availability against taxis).
Enough drivers doing it would also mean a not minor backlog of settlements (and maybe retroactive, overdue, social security-pension-assorted payroll contributions) and probably force stricter legislation on the issue.

Tripon · « **Reply #8748 on:** March 04, 2020, 08:25:05 PM »

https://twitter.com/noa_landau/status/1235280755879809024

But this man isn't racist says AIPAC.

team filler · « **Reply #8749 on:** March 05, 2020, 01:06:19 AM »

jorma · « **Reply #8750 on:** March 05, 2020, 03:14:42 AM »

probably time to dust off an old classic:

shosta · « **Reply #8751 on:** March 05, 2020, 01:15:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1235515269356949505

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #8752 on:** March 05, 2020, 02:09:02 PM »

Bye-bye, Bibi.

Pissy F Benny · « **Reply #8753 on:** March 05, 2020, 02:41:06 PM »

people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation bodied

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #8754 on:** March 05, 2020, 02:50:07 PM »

Nintex · « **Reply #8755 on:** March 05, 2020, 06:30:36 PM »

Erdogan went to Moscow, talked to Putin for 3+ hours.

Outcome:
Ceasefire
There will be a corridor for a safe retreat for the Turks
Turks and Russians will do joint patrols along the contested Syrian roads into Idlib

The Ottomans surrender to Putin as Catherine the Great looks on

And after his failed stunt the Sultan is also telling the refugees to go back home
https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1235681822815772673

Nintex · « **Reply #8756 on:** March 06, 2020, 03:35:53 PM »

Those Tweets won't show.

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We can't show you everything!
We automatically hide video that might contain sensitive content.

EXCLUSIVE terrorists gotta terrorist and Trump doesn't care

https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1236016077588566019

This shit is gonna make the fall of Saigon look like a fire cracker
https://twitter.com/tamanaashna/status/1235828555457523714

shosta · « **Reply #8757 on:** March 06, 2020, 10:16:41 PM »

edit: why am I falling for fake news all the time

BisMarckie · « **Reply #8758 on:** March 06, 2020, 10:19:31 PM »

Fell for shosta posting fake news.

team filler · « **Reply #8759 on:** March 07, 2020, 01:52:02 AM »

News:

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