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« Reply #2880 on: November 15, 2011, 02:35:31 AM »
I've never run into someone as shitty at assumptions about others as you Mandark.

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« Reply #2881 on: November 15, 2011, 02:36:23 AM »
Yeah, for real.  When the hell were the Kings ever good to begin with?
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« Reply #2882 on: November 15, 2011, 02:45:51 AM »
Shorter PD:  Make it more like college hoops.

Shorter etiolate:  Fix it so the Kings are good again.

Shorter Cormac:  More teams, less carbs.

I meant 'I have NO problem with contraction' above :lol

I don't mind 30 teams though - it's all part of a rich tapestry. Again, no-one is forced to watch those games apart from Etiolate.
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« Reply #2883 on: November 15, 2011, 03:06:36 AM »
I meant 'I have NO problem with contraction' above :lol

Yeah, but that's harder to fit into a slogan.

What's the actual goal of the armchair commissioners in this thread?  NFL-style "parity"?  I don't know if you could do something like that with a basketball league without some crazy rules, and I don't think I'd want that anyway.

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« Reply #2884 on: November 15, 2011, 03:22:41 AM »
Less of an emphasis on superstars and more on team play.  Also defense.  Also having David Stern thrown into the Sun.

...basically I'm the only person who wants what I want. :P
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etiolate

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« Reply #2885 on: November 15, 2011, 03:28:24 AM »
More parity, changes to the way the game is officiated so that it won't be so star dominated and starting to rework the system from college and up to have better prepared players. I really like the game of basketball but have long felt that you don't get the best basketball from the NBA. I want pro basketball to be the best basketball and not just the best selection of players playing basketball.

All the problems with the league are pretty interconnected right now. You'd have to address them all to help with competitive balance.

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« Reply #2886 on: November 15, 2011, 03:35:09 AM »
I meant 'I have NO problem with contraction' above :lol

Yeah, but that's harder to fit into a slogan.

What's the actual goal of the armchair commissioners in this thread?  NFL-style "parity"?  I don't know if you could do something like that with a basketball league without some crazy rules, and I don't think I'd want that anyway.

I don't think anything that affects me is broken. If owners want to slit their throats with bad contracts, I don't care. If they bankrupt themselves and ruin the franchise, ok. We have a few to spare. (I was pissed about the Sonics, but the Thunder are all the proof you need that any situation can be turned around).

Bottom line is I think the current product is pretty f'in awesome and I would like them to hurry up and TAKE MY MONEY.
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« Reply #2887 on: November 15, 2011, 03:40:04 AM »
The Thunder kind of got lucky w/ Durant being a ball playing lunatic, tho.  Take him out and they suck.  Well, maybe not suck but are certainly mediocre.
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« Reply #2888 on: November 15, 2011, 03:45:06 AM »
Take him out and they're still good enough for the playoffs, smh

...and that's how every team gets good, pretty much. They bottomed out to get the #2 pick - they had a great shot at getting an All Star.
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« Reply #2889 on: November 15, 2011, 03:46:55 AM »
Crap, that reminds me of another complaint re: the NBA- TOO MANY FUCKING TEAMS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.  More than half the league?  Fucking joke.  Sure they'll make the playoffs, as a .500 or sub .500 team. 
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etiolate

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« Reply #2890 on: November 15, 2011, 03:51:42 AM »
You have to A) Win the lottery when a bonafide star is there or B) Overpay some all-stars and sub-allstar talent to come to your city. A lot of teams do a bit of both, like Orlando, but they're window is closing with Dwight getting closer to free agency, and overpaying for that talent now makes it hard for them to make the needed improvements. Establishment teams don't have to worry about these things as much.

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« Reply #2891 on: November 15, 2011, 04:22:35 AM »
Important to understand that the star system is endemic to basketball, not the NBA.  There are only five guys on the floor, and the team gets to choose (within the choices allowed by the opposing defense, yadda yadda) who takes the shot, so an exceptionally talented player is going to have a huge impact on the result.  Only a QB or a hot goalie in hockey are comparable in the big American sports.  On top of all that there's no headwear.

It's silly that you need to win the lottery in a good year to land a great player, but there's a limited number of them and they have to get distributed some way or another.

The parity of the NFL isn't really parity, but churn.  Teams get better or worse more quickly and less predictably.  That's a result of 1) a hard cap that breaks up teams when too many players exceed expectations, and a sport that 2) involves 30+ contributing players and 3) is so violent that players' bodies break down sooner and with less warning.  Plus the NFL skews the schedules so teams that sucked the previous year play each other and pad their records.

Some cities are going to be more attractive to more players than other cities, and you know what?  Them's the breaks.  You can only stop that from being a factor by implementing some sort of career-long restrictions on player movement and I think everyone agrees that at some point, these guys should have a say in where they live and work.

Anyways, it's not like free agents flocking to nice cities has completely changed the flow of players in the league.  MIA and NY and that's it.  The bigger lesson from recent years is that players don't want to get stuck pulling deadweight rosters.  Kobe demanded a trade before Kwame Brown magically turned into Pau Gasol, and I don't remember anyone saying LA needed help attracting players away from more glamorous locations.

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« Reply #2892 on: November 15, 2011, 05:12:46 AM »
listen to your Uncle Mandark kiddies
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« Reply #2893 on: November 15, 2011, 05:14:22 AM »
hmm, is it too late in the season for LeBron to join the NFL?
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« Reply #2894 on: November 15, 2011, 05:38:15 AM »
I don't buy that being star driven is endemic to basketball. There's stars in college hoops but they don't bring home the championship the way they do in the NBA. The rules DRIVE the NBA as a star league. The Thunder organize their offense around getting to the free throw line because they have a star ticket and that sort of philosophy is pretty common. The LA/Boston Final was all about who got the game called to their way. The problem is this degrades the level of basketball. It's the NBA that is star driven, not basketball. So that is ..just bullshit to say basketball is by nature star driven. Look at other basketball and it's not all that true.

Fuck, the NBA talent had a hard time in the WCs because they got so used to the NBA style that saw and protected star talent that the NBA players struggled against lesser international talent. The next year the league acts like they'll start calling traveling and a bunch of rules they hadn't for years because those very things got exposed in NBA players playing international rules. The league called traveling for a season just to not look so obvious about how conditioned the NBA is to create a certain star-driven environment for success.

Player movement would increase because of shorter contracts and harder caps. Players can still go to where they prefer to go to, but still have to deal with a competitive job market.

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« Reply #2895 on: November 15, 2011, 11:09:47 AM »
Less of an emphasis on superstars and more on team play.  Also defense.  Also having David Stern thrown into the Sun.

...basically I'm the only person who wants what I want. :P

Basketball is dominated by star players in a way more team oriented sports like football and baseball aren't though. So while I do agree I'd like to see more team oriented play...this is professional basketball. Unless we see major rule changes it's moot.
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« Reply #2896 on: November 15, 2011, 12:27:46 PM »
Does anyone want to defend more than half the league making the playoffs or do we all agree that's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?
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« Reply #2897 on: November 15, 2011, 12:33:42 PM »
Does anyone want to defend more than half the league making the playoffs or do we all agree that's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?

It's a money thing. More revenue. More games. I can't honestly say that it really bothers me. Sometimes (rarely) you get a great upset that is exciting. But I'm a diehard NBA fan so it doesn't really bother me.

I'm personally an odd duck in that I don't like the NCAA basketball tournament format even though clearly most people do.

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« Reply #2898 on: November 15, 2011, 05:10:35 PM »
(I was pissed about the Sonics, but the Thunder are all the proof you need that any situation can be turned around).

It still hurts.  :(
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« Reply #2899 on: November 15, 2011, 06:32:38 PM »
Does anyone want to defend more than half the league making the playoffs or do we all agree that's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?

Compared to what? When the league only had like 7 teams and they played each other all season long and the Celtics won every year?
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« Reply #2900 on: November 15, 2011, 07:00:21 PM »
Does anyone want to defend more than half the league making the playoffs or do we all agree that's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?

Compared to what? When the league only had like 7 teams and they played each other all season long and the Celtics won every year?

I don't know, something like the NFL has?  Makes a fuckton more sense than letting shitty teams make the playoffs.
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« Reply #2901 on: November 15, 2011, 07:09:38 PM »
again, shitty teams like the Grizzles that end up going all the way to the WC finals and entertain the crap out of everyone along the way? Why wouldn't you want that?

And if it bugs you, just skip the 1st round of the playoffs. Or tune in if you hear of a series that sounds like it's fun/going the distance. I admit, I preferred 5 game series' for the 1st round but the economic reality is that playoff games are big money-makers and the owners want as many of them as possible, especially the ones who own marginal teams who aren't guaranteed 15-plus playoff games every year.
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« Reply #2902 on: November 15, 2011, 07:23:35 PM »
I don't mind the 16-team playoffs.  A 7-game series means the best team almost always wins, so if the low seeds are really that mediocre they'll get rolled by the top seeds, who earned that easy matchup during the regular season.  If you get a sneakily good team with a middling record that's only now gelling because of injuries/figuring out the player rotation/breakout seasons by young players, then I like that the system gives them a shot to make some noise and disrupt things.

I don't buy that being star driven is endemic to basketball. There's stars in college hoops but they don't bring home the championship the way they do in the NBA. The rules DRIVE the NBA as a star league. The Thunder organize their offense around getting to the free throw line because they have a star ticket and that sort of philosophy is pretty common.

By all means, let's look at Kevin Durant.

His one year in college: 25.8 ppg, 57% FTA/2PFGA ratio, 32% of his team's scoring.

Last year in the NBA:     27.7 ppg, 60% FTA/2PFGA ratio, 26% of his team's scoring.


It's not as if Durant's a huge anomaly as a high-scoring college star.  Kemba Walker, Jimmer Fredette, Michael Beasley, Adam Morrison (lolz), JJ Reddick, Stephen Curry, Larry Bird, etc.  If you're way better at scoring than most players in your league are at defending (and than your teammates are at scoring), you'll probably get a lot of points.

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« Reply #2903 on: November 15, 2011, 08:15:24 PM »
'sneakily good team with a middling record that's only now gelling because of injuries/figuring out the player rotation/breakout seasons by young players, then I like that the system gives them a shot to make some noise and disrupt things.'

i.e. Miami Heat, 2006
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« Reply #2904 on: November 15, 2011, 08:26:10 PM »
16 teams playoffs are great although I preferred having 5 games in the first round.  A big part of winning about a NBA championship has always been about endurance.  If some favorites waste too much energy in the early round, then the less talented teams who went through quicker, have better chances in the conferance finals and the finals.  It makes for more exciting competition than 1 and out or just 2 to 3 rounds of playoffs. 

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« Reply #2905 on: November 15, 2011, 09:00:50 PM »
I get why people like one-game single elimination tourneys like the NCAA's.  Every match is do or die and there's a bigger chance of an upset.  There's a pretty clear appeal to that.

But I really like the back and forth of a long series, the adjustments and subplots (the year the Suns beat the Lakers and Clippers in the first couple rounds without Amare zomg).  Plus with the way the other sports' playoffs sometimes feel like a crapshoot, I like having one area where the road to the finals feels like proof of excellence, rather than a run of good luck.

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« Reply #2906 on: November 15, 2011, 09:05:31 PM »
I like 7 game series, I just find it insane to reward teams that aren't REALLY GOOD with a shot at winning, cool storylines be damned.
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« Reply #2907 on: November 15, 2011, 09:21:41 PM »
That's the thing about 7 game series: you only really have a chance at winning if you're legitimately good.  If an 8 seed outright sucks, all they're getting is a chance to be called "turrible" by Sir Charles on national TV.

Anyway, could be worse.  Ask any crotchety hockey fan about the NHL in the early 80's.

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« Reply #2908 on: November 15, 2011, 09:23:34 PM »
Are you implying that hockey is a sport, Mandark?  I know you're liberal and all but this is a step too far.
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« Reply #2909 on: November 15, 2011, 09:34:24 PM »
Aside from what I said about endurance being part of winning a NBA championship, the 7 and 8 seeds also allow younger teams to learn what it takes to win in the playoffs.  Like Mandark mentioned before, because of the nature of a long series, players' weaknesses are much more easily exposed in the playoffs  (see 2011 MVP, Derrick Rose). 

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« Reply #2910 on: November 15, 2011, 10:03:42 PM »
Aside from what I said about endurance being part of winning a NBA championship, the 7 and 8 seeds also allow younger teams to learn what it takes to win in the playoffs.  Like Mandark mentioned before, because of the nature of a long series, players' weaknesses are much more easily exposed in the playoffs  (see 2011 MVP, Derrick Rose).

Rose didn't need to be exposed in the playoffs: I called him being a bum the night he was drafted!
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« Reply #2911 on: November 15, 2011, 11:49:29 PM »
I like 7 game series, I just find it insane to reward teams that aren't REALLY GOOD with a shot at winning, cool storylines be damned.

well uh, to my mind the Thunder and the Grizzles and the Mavs all proved they were better than the Spurs and the Lakers in the playoffs (who had better reg season records and / or all the experts picked to win the WC). Playoff success counts for more than regular season success with anybody who follows the league, so by that token they WERE 'really good' regardless of seeding. Sometimes it takes teams longer to come together, for the reasons Mandark described...

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« Reply #2912 on: November 16, 2011, 12:09:00 AM »
NEEDS MOAR TACKLING

...both leagues are being ruined by floppers
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« Reply #2913 on: November 16, 2011, 12:10:40 AM »
we can all agree the NBA would be better with Roger GODell as the commish'
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« Reply #2914 on: November 16, 2011, 12:13:25 AM »
we can all agree the NBA would be better with Roger GODell as the commish'

I don't think changing the rules so that Lebron can drive for 40pts a game would be much fun in the long run. 

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« Reply #2915 on: November 16, 2011, 12:15:01 AM »
I'm not sure the NBA can encourage teams to play LESS defense, so we're probably alright there.
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« Reply #2916 on: November 16, 2011, 12:25:17 AM »
They could make this be the standard for all fouls:

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« Reply #2917 on: November 16, 2011, 12:31:32 AM »
Are you implying that hockey is a sport, Mandark?  I know you're liberal and all but this is a step too far.

Hockey is about the only sport white people in the DC area are watching right now.  The Skins too, but that's some sort of ritual penitence through suffering, I think.

I hope the NBA doesn't adopt a hard cap.  The Bird rule is the biggest advantage in the system right now for smaller market teams trying to hold on to star players and it sucks to see a great team get broken up, regardless of how rich the team is.

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« Reply #2918 on: November 16, 2011, 01:50:06 AM »
Not all leagues would benefit from a hard cap; the NBA certainly wouldn't I don't think.  MLB maaaaaaybe, if only because it would piss off Yanks/SAWX fans.
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« Reply #2919 on: November 22, 2011, 04:04:44 PM »
ESPN has started to post John Hollinger's annual player profiles.  Aw yisss.

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« Reply #2920 on: November 22, 2011, 10:06:04 PM »
feel free to post 'em in spoiler tags for the non-Insiders!
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« Reply #2921 on: November 22, 2011, 10:44:47 PM »
Some of them are pretty good

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+ Quick, shoot-first guard who can push tempo. Poor decision-maker.

+ Decent defensive mobility but undersized and needs to play harder.

+ Doesn't draw fouls. Poor outside shooter. Floater, midrange game need work.

Flynn didn't just take a step back last season, he did the moonwalk. After missing the first third of the season with a hip injury he came back to play 53 excruciatingly awful games, in which he showcased a near total inability to run an NBA offense. Flynn ranked among the bottom six point guards in six different categories -- PER, TS%, shooting percentage, free throw rate, turnover ratio and pure point rating. Ouch.

The biggest problem is his poor decision-making on the move, which resulted in an astronomical turnover rate for a shoot-first point guard. Flynn's other problem is nearly as serious, however -- he's a scoring guard who can't score. Flynn can create shots, but he's neither a good outside shooter nor adept at drawing fouls, and his size is a problem when he goes into the paint to finish. Even if his percentages improve, his shockingly low free throw rate will have to improve dramatically if he's going to offer much in the way of an offensive boost.

The defensive end did Flynn no favors either. Opposing point guards had a 17.4 PER against him and Synergy rated him among the league's worst performers. He also had the eighth-worst rebound rate among point guards.

If there's good news, it's that his shooting percentage will almost certainly improve from last season's disaster, and that he's likely to be used differently in Houston than he was in Minnesota. Flynn still has some potential as a Bobby Jackson-type third guard who can create a lot of shots at middling efficiency for the second unit, but to get there he'll have to make more shots, draw more fouls and throw the ball to the correct team.

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+ Bruising wing with a point guard's handle and a center's body. Deadly at rim.

+ Average outside shooter. Can pass and create but tends to stop ball.

+ Outstanding rebounder. Excellent defensive player who can guard 1 through 5.

In three short games, James' postseason went from "greatest of all time" to "what was that?" just when it seemed he would unburden himself of the title of the league's No. 1 villain. After a sizzling 13-game stretch that saw him shove aside Boston and Chicago and win two of the first three against Dallas, James' puzzling lack of aggression and bizarre post-defeat comments left him as vilified as ever.

James showed he's the best player in the league in the Eastern Conference playoffs -- when he shredded the league's two best defenses while smothering MVP Derrick Rose at the other end -- but the Finals served to show off all his remaining imperfections. In particular, it highlighted his penchant for holding the ball and for "flaming bag" assists, in which he sends the ball around the perimeter to a player who isn't particularly open and has very little time to make a play. If the guy hits a shot it's an assist for LeBron, and if it misses it counts only against the shooter, but basketball-wise it's not much of a play. Of his six assists in the deciding Game 6, for instance, none were inside 18 feet.

I bring this up because the research I did on assist quality (see also the comments on Chris Paul and Baron Davis) supports the idea that James' passes aren't always the most incisive. Using data from Hoopdata.com on the location of player assists, the average assist from James was worth considerably less than those from most other players, because they were far more likely to be a low-percentage shot.

While the average assist is worth about 0.67 points, my research indicates that an assist from James was worth more like 0.58 points because so many of them were midrange jumpers. For the season, 42.6 percent of his assists produced a 2-point jumper away from the rim, one of the highest rates in the league. Conversely, only 29.6 percent of his assists led to a dunk or a layup; among players with at least 200 assists, only four players were worse.

Based on shooting percentages at each distance, I calculated that the marginal value of an average dunk/layup assist is about 1.329 points in 2010-11, whereas the marginal value of an assist on a long 2 was just 0.356 points. Make this adjustment for all the league's playmakers and it becomes clear that James' assists were worth a lot less than most other players'. Among those with at least 300 assists, only two players had lower-value assists (see chart).


I don't want to overstate the impact of this -- even if we adjusted the value of his assists, James still would have led the league in PER. But the passing data is important because, although a small forward, James effectively plays point guard; he, not any of Miami's nominal guards, led the team in pure point rating.

James, incidentally, made quite a bit of progress as a midrange shooter last season, a fact that should worry the entire Eastern Conference. He shot only 33.0 percent on 3s, but made 44.6 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet. He's still ridiculous at the rim -- he shot 72.1 percent at the basket, in addition to drawing multitudes of fouls -- but his midrange game is now a threat too. It's only from long range that conceding the jumper to James still makes sense.

A few other notes on James. First, he doesn't get nearly enough credit for his defense. Before he swallowed Rose whole in the conference finals, Synergy rated James as the league's second-best defender behind Dwight Howard. He allowed an 11.9 PER to opposing small forwards according to 82games.com, while basketballvalue.com says Miami gave up 4.51 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court. And finally, here's a James stat that may surprise you: The man renowned for the chase-down block was below the league average for small forwards in blocks per minute.
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« Reply #2922 on: November 22, 2011, 11:14:19 PM »
feel free to post 'em in spoiler tags for the non-Insiders!

Don't mind if I do!

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JASON KIDD, PG
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• Big, savvy point guard who rebounds very well. Great open-court passer.
• Struggles to check quick guards, but excels at defending wings and team defense.
• Will make careless turnovers. Can hit spot-up 3s but can't shoot on move.

Kidd's offensive numbers undeniably regressed last season -- he slumped to 34 percent on 3s and averaged only 9.2 points per 40 minutes -- but his defense was a major reason the Mavs were able to win the championship. The key was Dallas' realization that Kidd, while a point guard on offense, no longer had the wheels to defend the position. Instead, his size and savvy made him a very good defender against wing players. He spent the entire Finals doing battle with Dwyane Wade and LeBron James and held his own.

Kidd, of course, remains a great passer, ranking fifth in pure point rating last season, although his tendency to commit utterly preventable turnovers appears to be only worsening. In the half court, he is content to spot up on the perimeter and virtually never seeks out offense otherwise; two-thirds of his shots were 3s (the highest rate among point guards) and he took only 50 shots at the rim the entire season (only three players played at least 2,000 minutes and took fewer).

What's more amazing, however, is his energy level at age 38. Kidd was second among point guards in defensive rebound rate, fifth in steals and 10th in blocks, all while having one of the lowest foul rates in basketball. As long as his secondary skills remain so strong, he can be an effective player despite rarely scoring.


CARON BUTLER, SG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
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• Volume scorer who likes to take line-drive, midrange jump shots.
• Good build and can score in traffic. Quick release. Doesn't see floor.
• Good hands on defense but middling effort. Uninspired team defender.

I had felt Butler's volume shooting style was a deterrent to Dallas offensively because it subtracted touches from more efficient players; that Dallas replaced him after his injury with three players (Peja Stojakovic, J.J. Barea and DeShawn Stevenson) who shot far less but with a greater true shooting percentage dovetailed nicely with my theory.

Nonetheless, Dallas played extremely well for the 28 full games Butler was around. He averaged a point every two minutes and showed, at the very least, that his scoring could be an effective weapon on the right team. The rest of his sheet was largely empty, however. Butler had an unusually high turnover rate for a jump shooter and rarely set up teammates (he was 60th among small forwards in assist rate). His main feat was shooting 45.3 percent on long 2s -- a shot he took, on average, once every five minutes.

Butler's defensive reputation is poor, but it appeared he tried harder in Dallas than he did in Washington. His stats in a limited sample of games last season were very strong -- an opponent PER of 10.5, one of the highest ratings among small forwards by Synergy, and a 5.3 points per 100 possessions differential. Given his unimpressive results in Washington, that's likely just a small-sample outlier, but we should keep an open mind if the same data crops up again this season. That will be more difficult, alas, as Butler tries to recover from a serious knee injury. As a jump shooter, his offense might not suffer too much, but it might be increasingly difficult for a 31-year-old with a bad wheel to defend the position.


SHAWN MARION, SF
 Projection: 14.9 pts, 8.9 reb, 1.8 ast per 40 min; 14.23 PER
| Player card

• Quick-leaping combo forward who is very effective on short-range shots.
• Bizarre, low shot release. Has stopped taking 3s. Excellent quickness for size.
• Can post up smaller wings. Good rebounder. Runs floor and handles ball well.

One twist that's always fun to watch is when coaches take plays from a new player's previous team that had worked well for him. For example, last season Dallas began running a weird play Phoenix had used with great success with Marion -- a 3/5 pick-and-roll at the top of the free throw line between Marion and the center. In Phoenix, it was Amare Stoudemire; in Dallas, it was Tyson Chandler. Each was able to catch opponents off guard with that play a couple of times a game, generating either an easy short-range look for Marion or a dunk for the center.

Marion has changed up his game quite a bit in Dallas, and it helped him to a major bounce-back season that received little fanfare but was a crucial part in the Mavs' surprise title. He no longer shoots 3s and posts up considerably more often, which boosted his shooting percentage to last season's 52 percent. He also picked up his rebounding after it fell off considerably in 2009-10, ranking second among all small forwards in rebound rate.

Marion remains a capable defender, too, who can move up to the 4 spot and wreak havoc in small lineups. While there's a fair amount of risk that his performance will regress -- he is 33 and just had his best season of the past three years -- the adjustments he's made in his game have helped him hold off Father Time a bit longer.


DIRK NOWITZKI, PF
 Projection: 24.6 pts, 7.8 reb, 2.8 ast per 40 min; 21.09 PER
| Player card

• Nimble 7-footer with devastating midrange jumper and unblockable fadeaway.
• Moves well on defense but lacks strength. Not a leaper.
• Great going left and quickly pulling up for shot. Rarely turns ball over.

Nowitzki's 2010-11 postseason actually wasn't out of line with what he's done in several other playoff seasons; it just had a much happier ending. He's been doing this for years -- his career playoff PER is higher than his regular-season mark, a boast very few players can make. However, because he finally won a title after countless years of falling short, everybody was looking for "the difference" … but Nowitzki didn't really do anything different.

Nowitzki remains among the game's most devastating offensive weapons thanks to the relatively simple concept that he generates a lot of points from relatively few possessions. It's not just that he averaged 26.9 points per 40 minutes, a fearsome stat in itself, but that he did it with such staggering efficiency. Nowitzki again had among the lowest turnover rates at his position, and his true shooting percentage of 61.7 is mind-boggling for a midrange shooter. He basically turns the game's normal percentages on their head.

I can't stress this enough: You're not supposed to shoot this many long 2s and still have good percentages. For every other player in every other league in the entire world, the long 2-pointer is the worst shot in basketball. But it's not if you're Dirk Nowitzki. He was the second best in the league at shooting from 10-23 feet last season (see chart), but the even more amazing part is in the "attempts" column -- he took nearly 10 a game. Well more than half his shots were long 2s.

Top midrange shooters (10-23 feet), 2010-11
Player   Team   Att.   Pct.
Al Horford   Atl   492   51.2
Dirk Nowitzki   Dal   723   50.8
Luke Ridnour   Min   293   47.8
Elton Brand   Phi   561   47.6
Anthony Morrow   NJ   245   47.3
Source: Hoopdata.com. Min. 150 attempts
Unlike the rest of the planet, Nowitzki is so uncannily accurate that he can dominate games this way. Defenders routinely foul him trying to pressure his shot or by leaving their feet due to the threat of the shot. Opponents send double-teams to prevent it, creating openings for others. And as a result, he was arguably the most valuable offensive player in basketball last season. Certainly he is for Dallas' system -- the Mavs scored 10.27 points fewer per 100 possessions when he left the court last season, a staggering figure that's been pretty steady over the past half-decade.


TYSON CHANDLER, C (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 13.2 pts, 13.1 reb, 0.8 ast per 40 min; 16.70 PER
| Player card

• Long, mobile big man who alters shots and controls defensive boards.
• No post game. Improved foul shooter. Strong finisher around basket.
• Runs floor well. Injury-prone. Can't handle ball.

Chandler was the key to Dallas' emergence as a champion-caliber team last season, turning the Mavs' center position from a glaring weakness into a solid positive. While they were fortunate his acquisition worked out so well, they put the odds in their favor by taking a calculated risk -- a high-character, professional player with an expiring contract and a high ceiling.

The risk, obviously, was that Chandler had missed 68 games over the previous two seasons and was at considerably less than full strength in several of the other seasons he played. But his toe and ankles didn't bother him last season, and he put in the effort to greatly improve himself as a shooter. Chandler shot a career-best 73.2 percent from the line -- important because of his high free throw rate -- and knocked down 24 of his 51 shots beyond 10 feet.

Combined with his usual great finishing skills, Chandler led the NBA in true shooting percentage (see chart). Less widely discussed, though, is that he also trimmed his formerly prodigious turnover rate. That had been one of his major offensive limitations with the Hornets, but he reduced the illegal screens and ballhandling blunders enough to post a career-high PER.

True Shooting Percentage leaders, 2010-11
Player   Team   TS%
Tyson Chandler   Dal   69.7
Shaquille O'Neal   Bos   65.9
Nene   Den   65.7
DeAndre Jordan   LAC   64.8
Ronny Turiaf   LAL   64.8
Min. 150 "shots" (FGA + (FTA*0.44))
Defensively, Chandler has blocked fewer shots in recent years and has focused more on using his length and mobility to alter them while keeping his defensive position. He dominated on the glass last season, ranking sixth in rebound rate among centers, and both his Synergy and on-court versus off-court numbers confirm the subjective conclusions that he was one of the league's better defensive centers.

Chandler is unlikely to match last season's productivity going forward, as he was a Fluke Rule player in 2010-11 (see Lamar Odom comment). For Dallas, however, it's much more important that he merely stay on the court. The Mavs can live with some decline in his shooting percentages, but they won't win another title without his defense.



RESERVES

JASON TERRY, SG
 Projection: 19.0 pts, 2.3 reb, 4.8 ast per 40 min; 15.14 PER
| Player card

• Fast combo guard with deadly midrange jump shot, especially going right.
• Not a true point guard but capable of creating off dribble. Abysmal rebounder.
• Lacks size, strength on defense but has fast hands. Better in cross-matches.

Everyone knows the Mavs have one great midrange shooter, but in the playoffs, Terry reminded everyone they have two. He shot 46.6 percent on 2-pointers from beyond 10 feet last season, the 11th-best mark in the league, and threw in enough 3-pointers to have a decent true shooting percentage despite all those jumpers.

Terry also proved useful starting trouble in pick-and-rolls; while he doesn't have great court vision, he can play the point in a pinch and ranked seventh among shooting guards in pure point rating. However, he did see a spike in turnovers -- his highest mark in six years -- and that was the main reason his PER fell.

Terry can be a bit high-strung, for both good and bad. Even last season, he had several bizarre incidents (in a two-week stretch at the end of the regular season, he took a cheap shot at Steve Blake, got in a fight on his own bench and celebrated a missed free throw at the buzzer because he didn't know the score), but his unshakable confidence also helped him step up with a series of killer shots in the Finals.

Defensively, Terry's value is linked with that of Jason Kidd. As long as they share the court, they can switch men on defense and Terry can guard the opposing point guard. But against most 2s, Terry is dead meat, so these matchups need to be monitored very carefully. Terry's rebound rates are annually among the worst in basketball, and last season was no exception -- for the second year in a row, he had the league's second-worst mark (see Jamal Crawford comment).


J.J. BAREA, PG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 18.2 pts, 3.7 reb, 7.2 ast per 40 min; 14.39 PER
| Player card

• Tiny pick-and-roll expert with explosive first step, especially going right.
• Strong and great at taking charges, but lacks size and is beatable off dribble.
• Has scorer's mentality. Mediocre outside shooter. Can make runners in lane.

Barea emerged as a key rotation player during the Mavs' championship run, using his expertise creating offense in the pick-and-roll to add some zing to Dallas' second unit. He's become incredibly skillful at running his defender into the screen and giving himself a free run at the opposing big man, and with his burst, he has no trouble getting around the corner.

Barea's shot creation is better than his shot-making -- his efficiency rates are nothing special, and although he's clever at looping runners over bigger opponents, he's not a particularly accurate shooter. While his mentality is more to score than pass, he's become a credible shot creator for others, ranking 29th in pure point rating. Barea also is the master of another category: self-created layups. Only 12.5 percent of Barea's baskets at the rim were the result of an assist, the lowest percentage in the NBA last season (see chart).

Lowest percentage of at-rim baskets assisted, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pct.
J.J. Barea   Dal   12.5
Chris Paul   NO   12.9
Jameer Nelson   Orl   13.1
Raymond Felton   NY-Den   14.0
Baron Davis   LAC-Cle   16.7
Defensively, Barea's size lures opponents into backing him down. Wrong approach -- Barea is a flopper par excellence and invariably baits opponents into a charging call. He's beatable off the dribble, however, and relatively easy to shoot over the top against. In other words, the less obsessed an opponent is with taking advantage of him, the more easily it does so.


PEJA STOJAKOVIC, SF
 Projection: 15.6 pts, 4.3 reb, 1.8 ast per 40 min; 12.18 PER
| Player card

• Tall, accurate, long-range shooter with difficult-to-block release.
• Slow-footed. Plagued by back problems. A defensive liability.
• Struggles to create own shot but rarely turns ball over. Poor rebounder.

One of Dallas' best and most unheralded moves was spiriting Stojakovic away from Toronto in early February to add another wing shooter to the bench. Plagued by back and leg problems the past two years, Stojakovic suddenly emerged spry and fit in March, and never looked back, hitting 41.9 percent of his 3s and blistering Portland and the Lakers in the first two rounds of the playoffs before he finally cooled off.

For the season, Stojakovic took more than half his shots behind the arc and turned it over on just 6 percent of his possessions. More impressive was his movement -- he was able to get free often enough to average 18.2 points per 40 minutes, an unusually high rate for a sniper. That alone was ample evidence that the stiff back was feeling much better.

Stojakovic's rejuvenation ended in the Oklahoma City series, and, at 34 with his health history, it's an open question whether he has another season like this left in him. He's also a huge defensive liability whose matchups must be slotted carefully. But few players in history have shot better, and he showed last spring his shooting stroke is still a weapon with which to be reckoned.


BRENDAN HAYWOOD, C
 Projection: 9.1 pts, 11.2 reb, 0.9 ast per 40 min; 12.46 PER
| Player card

• Big center who can finish dunks and short hooks. Limited low-post game.
• Horrendous foul shooter. Has few ball skills. Solid rebounder.
• Size, shot-blocking make him plus defender but motivation comes and goes.

Haywood led the league in the percentage of his shots that were basket-and-1s, at 11.2 percent (see chart). This might be more encouraging if he hadn't also led the league in wasted free-agent dollars. Dallas gave him a five-year, $43 million deal in the offseason, and then won the Finals with minimum-wagers Ian Mahinmi and Brian Cardinal taking his place.

Highest percentage of shots as basket-and-1s, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pct.
Brendan Haywood   Dal   11.2
Nene   Den   9.9
Kwame Brown   Cha   8.0
Dwight Howard   Orl   7.9
Tyson Chandler   Dal   7.1
Min. 20 And-1s
I know the Mavs were willing to burn money to get a ring, but man, that's one hell of a bonfire. The championship halo shouldn't overshadow how badly it will sandbag their cap planning (although the amnesty clause may save them) -- in 2014-15, he'll be 34 and make $10 million. (The total contract value could be more if he achieves some unlikely incentives and Dallas picks up the nonguaranteed final year at $10.5 million in 2015-16, but one can comfortably rule out both possibilities at this point.)

Even Haywood's biggest positive was a negative. He was fifth among centers in free throw attempts per field goal attempt, but that was intentional -- he shot an embarrassing 36.2 percent from the line. This earned him the distinction of the lowest secondary percentage in basketball, as his trips to the line actually dragged his true shooting percentage down (see DeAndre Jordan comment), one of only six players to land in the negatives.

Defensively, he was still fairly solid. Haywood is 7 feet with a solid build, blocks shots and has decent mobility for a player of his size. That makes him a useful backup center, especially against bigger opponents such as the Lakers and Magic. That's why Dallas wanted him, and it was a valid reason. But the Mavs grossly overpaid for him.


DeSHAWN STEVENSON, SG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 11.3 pts, 3.6 reb, 2.7 ast per 40 min; 8.01 PER
| Player card

• Strong wing defender with toughness. Spot-up 3-point shooter. Slow release.
• Handles ball well but has no burst or leaping ability. Very poor finisher.
• History of back problems. Good shot selection. Questionable tattoo selection.

At the 2010 trade deadline, the Mavericks were stoked that they acquired two players from Washington they thought would put them over the top -- Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood. The only drawback was that, as part of the trade, they had to eat the final year and a half on Stevenson's contract.

Funny how things work out. Butler and Haywood were injured in the Finals, while Stevenson shot 13-of-23 on 3s for the series, committed one turnover in 93 minutes and ably defended LeBron James. To say this was unexpected is an understatement: Stevenson had shot 28.2 percent and 31.2 percent the previous two seasons. No, no, not on 3s -- I mean overall.

However, last season he rediscovered his jump shot. Stevenson took three-quarters of his shots behind the arc and made a solid 37.8 percent, raising his offensive value enough that the Mavs could leave him on the court for his defense. He'd been plagued by back trouble the previous few years, and last season's results were pretty consistent with what he had done earlier in his Washington career. So there's at least some hope that this wasn't a fluke (his season, that is, not his Finals) and he can remain a useful role player going forward.


BRIAN CARDINAL, PF
 Projection: 8.8 pts, 3.9 reb, 2.6 ast per 40 min; 8.94 PER
| Player card

• Floor-spacing big man who is strictly catch-and-shoot 3-point threat.
• Slow, undersized defender, but smart and physical. Gives fouls freely.
• Nonfactor on boards. Can't create own shot or finish in paint.

Cardinal set a record that will never be broken -- he was assisted on every single basket he made last season. Yes, that's easier when you make only 43 of them, but still. Amazingly, 42 of those makes were 3-pointers, nearly all coming from spot-ups in the corner. Essentially, Dallas found the one thing Cardinal could do and didn't ask him to do anything more; he shot 48.3 percent on those triples, nearly leading the league in true shooting percentage in the process, and contributed two big ones in the Finals.

Highest percentage of baskets assisted, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pct. Assisted
Brian Cardinal   Dal   100.0
James Jones   Mia   98.6
Keith Bogans   Chi   93.5
James Posey   Ind   91.4
Daequan Cook   OKC   91.1
Min. 500 minutes
Cardinal was another spot-up shooter the Mavs had to manage carefully at the defensive end. While he's a clever team defender who takes charges and is more than happy to maim an opponent to prevent a layup, Cardinal is hopeless in individual defense. That, plus his paucity of rebounds, his complete and utter inability to create his own shot, and his limited likelihood of shooting in the 40s on 3s again are some of the reasons he's unlikely to relive his glory of this past postseason.


RODRIGUE BEAUBOIS, G
 No projection
| Player card

• Speedy guard who can shoot and score. Penetrates but doesn't see court well.
• Gets out of control on drives. Must improve handle. Good rebounder for size.
• Good defensive quickness but needs to improve strength and fundamentals.

The inadvertent catalyst for Dallas' championship run, Beaubois started 26 of the Mavs' last 27 games until injuring his ankle on the final day of the season. He never got back on the active roster, as Dallas' guard rotation suddenly clicked without him.

This isn't all Beaubois' fault, of course -- his presence gave the Mavs one small guard too many. But he also had a rough second season. After missing most of the year with a foot injury, he struggled to regain the scoring prowess he showed as a rookie. Beaubois slumped to 42.2 percent from the floor and 30.1 percent on 3s, while his erratic ballhandling made little progress and doomed him to the "2 in a 1's body" archetype.

Still, even last season Beaubois could fill it up, averaging 19 points per 40 minutes, and one presumes the poor shooting percentages had much do with rust from his long layoff. If so, his scoring boost could prove incredibly helpful to another team if he's ever traded. But it's difficult to find playing time for a poor man's Jason Terry when you already have the real one.


IAN MAHINMI, C
 No projection
| Player card

• Athletic big man and high-percentage finisher near basket. Draws lots of fouls.
• Has limited perimeter game and very poor ball skills. Lacks strength for a true 5.
• Passable defender but uncoordinated; has sky-high foul rate. Injury-prone.

Dallas fans can pinpoint the exact moment in Game 6 of the Finals when they knew it was their night: the one-legged, Dirk Nowitzki-esque fadeaway Mahinmi made at the end of the third quarter. No, he does not normally do this. Nonetheless, he represented a good value pickup for the end of the Mavs' bench based on his solid numbers in previous NBA minutes and in the D-League.

Mahinmi certainly has his issues -- he fouled at the obscene rate of one every 4.6 minutes, he was far too turnover-prone for such a low-usage player and he has had trouble staying healthy.

However, he can get some points. Mahinmi is very active and efficient around the basket, shooting 56.1 percent from the floor and backing it up with an amazing 0.84 free throw attempts per field goal attempt; he made his freebies, too. As a result, his true shooting percentage of 64.5 was among the best at his position … and yet it brought down his career average. To find a fifth big man this productive on a minimum contract was a quiet coup for Dallas, and one reason among many it emerged victorious in June.


RUDY FERNANDEZ, SG
 Projection: 14.8 pts, 3.9 reb, 4.0 ast per 40 min; 14.06 PER
| Player card

• Athletic wing with very slight build. Handles ball well for size and sees floor.
• Very good moving without ball. Overrated shooter but makes free throws.
• Moves well on D; quick enough to check 1s. Eviscerated in strength matchups.

Our J.A. Adande came up with an archetype called "shooters who can't shoot" -- i.e., players with a reputation as good distance shooters even though they aren't terribly accurate. Fernandez has to be near the top of the list -- he made 32.1 percent of his 3s last season and is at 36.4 percent for his career. Over his past two seasons he's shot a gruesome 37.4 percent total.

There's a reason for this. Fernandez struggles keeping his balance on his jumper, almost always drifting to one side or another depending on which way his momentum is going, and that tends to throw off what is a very accurate release when he's set (witness his 85.5 percent career free throw mark).

What Fernandez can do is handle the ball and create, although he didn't have many opportunities to do so in Portland. He has very good court vision off the dribble and ranked sixth among shooting guards in pure point rating. He also draws fouls with his off-ball movement and quick drives, and that left him with a halfway-respectable TS% despite his miserable shooting percentage.

Defensively, Fernandez becomes more valuable the quicker and lighter the opponent. He had productive stretches against J.J. Barea in the playoffs, checking him closer than you might expect and getting away with it. But he's best off switching men with a big point guard; against traditional 2s he can get flattened because it's such a strength mismatch. Although it was a small sample, opposing point guards had only a 13.5 PER against Fernandez. Now that he's been traded to Dallas, he has the perfect cohort for that strategy in Jason Kidd, and may be able to check point guards much more often.


COREY BREWER, SG
 Projection: 15.0 pts, 4.4 reb, 2.5 ast per 40 min; 11.40 PER
| Player card

• Slender, athletic wing defender. Great in passing lanes. Fouls too much.
• Horrifying half-court offensive player. Can hardly dribble without falling down.
• Must upgrade catch-and-shoot game. Positive locker room guy -- always smiling.

Brewer went back to shooting bricks in 2010-11 after showing some signs of developing a reliable perimeter game the previous season. That said, the perception of his decline was far greater than the reality -- his other stats hardly changed, and he partly offset the shooting decline by drawing more fouls.

Still, his offense might be charitably described as a work in progress. Brewer shot 26.8 percent on 3s and 33.3 percent on long 2s, and those comprised nearly half his shots. The shot mix is unlikely to change because Brewer is such a lousy ball handler, so he has to develop a reliable catch-and-shoot game and take his wayward dribbling out of the equation. It also might help Brewer to get more minutes as a 3, which might be a better long-term position for him. Minnesota played him mostly as a 2, and that only further exposed his low skill level.

Defensively, Brewer's antenna for steals is remarkable. He was second among shooting guards in steals per minute and has become very opportunistic at stealing inbound passes when opponents aren't paying attention. With his length and quickness, he could emerge as a wing stopper. However, his lack of strength and overaggressive play contribute to a very high foul rate -- only three shooting guards were whistled more often.


DOMINIQUE JONES, SG
 No projection
| Player card

• Big, strong wing who rebounds very well for his size. Good passer.
• Quick and can get to basket, but outside shot needs improvement.
• Physical player but a B athlete. Unclear what offensive role he can fill.

Jones barely got on the floor for Dallas, playing only 135 minutes in his rookie season. He showed his one definitive NBA skill, rebounding, by grabbing 7.4 boards per 40 minutes, but shot 31.1 percent from the floor and didn't make a 3-pointer.

In 10 D-League games, it was a similar story. Jones got to the basket, set up teammates and drew fouls, but at a high cost in turnovers. His rebounding wasn't quite as phenomenal, and considering the level of competition, his overall performance was pretty borderline. He'd be best served by going to a bad team and playing 1,000 minutes off the bench, but on this roster he'll have to prove himself defensively and show he can make a few spot-up 3s to earn minutes in a crowded backcourt.
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MARIO CHALMERS, PG (FREE AGENT -- RESTRICTED)
 Projection: 11.5 pts, 3.4 reb, 4.3 ast per 40 min; 10.26 PER
| Player card

• Spot-up shooting point guard who rarely penetrates. A 3-point threat.
• Average at best as ball handler. Throws away passes. Professionalism a concern.
• Good size for guard and great hands, but average defender overall. Foul-prone.

Chalmers once again struggled with inconsistency in his third pro season, somehow losing a starting job that was waiting for him on a silver platter and failing to take advantage of the myriad open looks that came his way. Chalmers shot 35.9 percent on 3s and 39.7 percent on 2s beyond 10 feet; that's not good enough for a spot-up shooting specialist playing with two All-World wingmen.

Three-fifths of his shots were 3s and he rarely created shots on his own, ranking 62nd out of 67 point guards in usage rate. His distribution at the point was nonexistent, averaging just 4.2 assists per 40 minutes and somehow posting one of the worst turnover ratios at his position despite the limited role asked of him.

Defensively, Chalmers has good size for a point guard and is active, but not always in a good way. He has lightning-quick hands and ranked ninth among point guards in steals per minute, but he also fouled too often (only five point guards fouled more per minute) and took poor gambles. Overall, he's an average defender, which is fine if he's making shots. If he's not, like last year, it's tough to justify playing him.


DWYANE WADE, SG
 Projection: 26.9 pts, 6.3 reb, 5.5 ast per 40 min; 25.03 PER
| Player card

• Electrifying wing with blinding quickness and quick leaping ability.
• Great at splitting pick-and-roll. Poor shooter but draws heaps of fouls with fakes.
• Ball-hawking defender but gambles too much. Good on ball. Rebounds well.

As expected, Wade traded in some of his usage rate for a higher shooting percentage once LeBron James came aboard, shooting a career-high 50 percent but losing nearly two points and more than two assists off his 40-minute average. He still was a brilliant player, but he spotted up more often and shot more jumpers, which dimmed his luster a bit. Wade shot 30.6 percent on 3s and 37.5 percent on long 2s; of more concern was that these shots comprised nearly half his attempts.

Initiating offense less frequently, Wade also had fewer assists, but the big shock was the spike in turnovers. Wade was 53rd among shooting guards in turnover ratio; while he's always been a high-turnover player, last season's spike was unexpected given how much less was expected of him as a distributor. This applies more generally to all the Heat players -- nearly all of them had far higher turnover ratios than one would have imagined given their roles, and Miami as a team was only 17th in this category.

Wade did take advantage of his off-ball time by crashing the boards, ranking third among shooting guards in offensive rebound rate. And as usual he drew better than a free throw attempt for every two field goal attempts, a ratio that placed him third at his position. Once again, Wade's ability to get defenders to buy fakes is a big reason; even though he's not a good outside shooter, opponents somehow feel compelled to come flying at him as though he's Reggie Miller. If there's a concern, it's how much longer he can keep doing this; Wade is 29, has taken a beating with all the contact he draws and has already had several notable injuries.

Defensively, Wade is the best 6-foot-4 shot-blocker ever. Last season he averaged 1.2 blocks per 40 minutes, which not only led all shooting guards but was better than the league average for power forwards. He's the only player 6-5 or shorter to average more than a block a game in two different seasons; last season was the fifth time he's done it. Wade's biggest problem is staying at home; he still gambles himself out of position at times. However, he's a good one-on-one defender thanks to his superior athleticism. While his defensive stats weren't overwhelming last season, subjectively he's one of the better defenders at his position.


LeBRON JAMES, SF
 Projection: 28.7 pts, 7.8 reb, 7.2 ast per 40 min; 27.39 PER
| Player card

• Bruising wing with a point guard's handle and a center's body. Deadly at rim.
• Average outside shooter. Can pass and create but tends to stop ball.
• Outstanding rebounder. Excellent defensive player who can guard 1 through 5.

In three short games, James' postseason went from "greatest of all time" to "what was that?" just when it seemed he would unburden himself of the title of the league's No. 1 villain. After a sizzling 13-game stretch that saw him shove aside Boston and Chicago and win two of the first three against Dallas, James' puzzling lack of aggression and bizarre post-defeat comments left him as vilified as ever.

James showed he's the best player in the league in the Eastern Conference playoffs -- when he shredded the league's two best defenses while smothering MVP Derrick Rose at the other end -- but the Finals served to show off all his remaining imperfections. In particular, it highlighted his penchant for holding the ball and for "flaming bag" assists, in which he sends the ball around the perimeter to a player who isn't particularly open and has very little time to make a play. If the guy hits a shot it's an assist for LeBron, and if it misses it counts only against the shooter, but basketball-wise it's not much of a play. Of his six assists in the deciding Game 6, for instance, none were inside 18 feet.

I bring this up because the research I did on assist quality (see also the comments on Chris Paul and Baron Davis) supports the idea that James' passes aren't always the most incisive. Using data from Hoopdata.com on the location of player assists, the average assist from James was worth considerably less than those from most other players, because they were far more likely to be a low-percentage shot.

While the average assist is worth about 0.67 points, my research indicates that an assist from James was worth more like 0.58 points because so many of them were midrange jumpers. For the season, 42.6 percent of his assists produced a 2-point jumper away from the rim, one of the highest rates in the league. Conversely, only 29.6 percent of his assists led to a dunk or a layup; among players with at least 200 assists, only four players were worse.

Based on shooting percentages at each distance, I calculated that the marginal value of an average dunk/layup assist is about 1.329 points in 2010-11, whereas the marginal value of an assist on a long 2 was just 0.356 points. Make this adjustment for all the league's playmakers and it becomes clear that James' assists were worth a lot less than most other players'. Among those with at least 300 assists, only two players had lower-value assists (see chart).

Lowest average assist value, 2010-11
Player   Team   Avg. assist Value
Joe Johnson   Atl   .572
Darren Collison   Ind   .577
LeBron James   Mia   .581
Brandon Jennings   Mil   .588
Jordan Farmar   NJ   .590
League average       .667
Source: Hoopdata.com. Min. 300 assists
I don't want to overstate the impact of this -- even if we adjusted the value of his assists, James still would have led the league in PER. But the passing data is important because, although a small forward, James effectively plays point guard; he, not any of Miami's nominal guards, led the team in pure point rating.

James, incidentally, made quite a bit of progress as a midrange shooter last season, a fact that should worry the entire Eastern Conference. He shot only 33.0 percent on 3s, but made 44.6 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet. He's still ridiculous at the rim -- he shot 72.1 percent at the basket, in addition to drawing multitudes of fouls -- but his midrange game is now a threat too. It's only from long range that conceding the jumper to James still makes sense.

A few other notes on James. First, he doesn't get nearly enough credit for his defense. Before he swallowed Rose whole in the conference finals, Synergy rated James as the league's second-best defender behind Dwight Howard. He allowed an 11.9 PER to opposing small forwards according to 82games.com, while basketballvalue.com says Miami gave up 4.51 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court. And finally, here's a James stat that may surprise you: The man renowned for the chase-down block was below the league average for small forwards in blocks per minute.


CHRIS BOSH, PF
 Projection: 21.0 pts, 9.6 reb, 2.2 ast p/40 min; 19.82 PER
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• Lanky, left-handed high-scoring forward who can shoot, drive and finish.
• Excels at taking opposing bigs off dribble to draw fouls. Has 20-foot range.
• Mobile defender but not particularly tough. Lacks strength. Rarely fouls.

In some ways Bosh was the Heat's most indispensable player. If LeBron James or Dwyane Wade checked out, there was still an All-Star wing on the floor, but when Bosh left, the Heat frontcourt immediately became the league's worst. That's why it was Bosh, not Wade or James, who had the best raw adjusted plus-minus on the team, at 9.86 points per 100 possessions. With Udonis Haslem back, the differential may be less pronounced this season.

Nonetheless, Bosh had a disappointing first season in Miami. While it was unrealistic to expect him to repeat the heights of a career year in Toronto in 2009-10, his vertiginous drop of 6.0 points from his 40-minute scoring average was all the more shocking because it came with no gains in efficiency. Additionally, he disappeared on the glass, with his 9.2 boards per 40 minutes being his worst since his rookie year.

He's still a deadly pick-and-pop weapon who made 45 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet, and he wasn't too shabby at the rim either (69.9 percent). Bosh has also mastered the free throw game -- he was seventh among power forwards in free throw attempts per field goal attempt, but hardly ever fouled himself; only one power forward was whistled less often.

Despite that, he was solid defensively. While Bosh has a reputation as a shrinking violet because he doesn't play physically, his length and mobility are very helpful, and he put a lot more effort into it than he'd done in Toronto.


JOEL ANTHONY, C
 Projection: 4.0 pts, 7.2 reb, 0.6 ast per 40 min; 6.55 PER
| Player card

• Undersized, energetic center with excellent mobility and shot-blocking skill.
• Brutal offensive player. Can't shoot, has terrible hands and no instincts.
• Poor rebounder despite athleticism, especially on defense. Poor finisher at rim.

Anthony is a useful defensive player; let's start with that. Miami gave up fewer points with him on the court, he was 11th among centers in blocks per minute, and Synergy graded him well ahead of the curve. But let's not get carried away; opposing centers still had a 14.2 PER against him, he had the fourth-worst defensive rebound rate among centers, and for a guy whose mobility is an asset, it was bizarre to see him sport the lowest rate of steals per minute in the NBA -- Anthony had only 10 in 1,463 minutes (see Joey Graham comment).

His defensive value, however, is more than offset by the fact that he is the single worst offensive player in basketball. Instead of his name and number, Anthony's jersey should have just said "AVOID." For the most part, that's what the Heat did. His 4.9 usage rate was not only the lowest in the NBA, it was the lowest in the league in nearly two decades; not since Charles Jones was playing dodgeball for the Bullets in the early '90s has a player been this adept at uninvolvement. Anthony scored 53 baskets in 75 games, even though nobody was guarding him; normally a player like this at least gets some second shots, but Anthony wasn't good at offensive rebounding either.

Lowest Usage Rate, 2010-11
Player   Team   Usage Rate
Joel Anthony   Mia   4.9
Joel Przybilla   Por-Cha   7.0
Erick Dampier   Mia   7.4
Ben Wallace   Det   8.1
Jared Jeffries   Hou-NY   8.5
Min. 500 minutes
Fewest Points Per 40 minutes, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pts/40
Joel Anthony   Mia   4.2
Joel Przybilla   Por-Cha   4.9
Jared Jeffries   Hou-NY   4.9
Ben Wallace   Det   5.0
Erick Dampier   Mia   6.3
Min. 500 minutes
Overall, then, he was a real drag. The Heat gave him a five-year contract last summer because he was something of an organizational teacher's pet, doing everything asked of him. Given the other dregs the Heat had available at center, I'm sure Miami felt that since at least Anthony could do something -- defend -- he was the least bad option.

To an extent they're right -- Anthony is a valuable defender. He's just so awful offensively that his only usage should come as an end-of-quarter defensive replacement.


KEY RESERVES

MIKE MILLER, SG
 Projection: 10.4 pts, 9.0 reb, 2.8 ast per 40 min; 10.68 PER
| Player card

• Big wing with textbook shooting form. Excellent, underrated rebounder.
• Reluctant shooter who rarely attacks and forces passes. Good right-hand driver.
• Solid defender against most 3s thanks to size, but too slow to defend 2s.

Miller damaged both thumbs and it cost him his main differentiating skill, his deadly set shot off the catch. His struggle shooting was evident in the numbers: he shot just 36 percent on 3s and was 12-of-40 on long 2s.

But even worse were the shots he didn't take at all. With little confidence in his loosely attached digits, Miller constantly passed up shots and had the fourth-lowest usage rate of any shooting guard. Often, instead of shooting, he'd try to force a pass into traffic; as a result, he had the second-worst turnover ratio of any shooting guard.

The worry is that he'll continue doing this even when healthy, as Miller exhibited similar signs in Minnesota and Washington. If the thumbs are at full strength and Miller can be cajoled into shooting, however, he can make the Heat a much more potent offensive outfit than they were last season.

What did stand out is what a hellacious rebounder Miller has become. Ask 100 basketball fans whether LeBron James or Mike Miller had a better rebound rate last season, and at least 98 of them will get the wrong answer. Miller's awesome 13.0 rate was not only better than LeBron's, it was the best of any shooting guard in the NBA and better than that of 19 centers, including two on his own team.


UDONIS HASLEM, PF
 No projection
| Player card

• Tough, smart, pick-and-pop power forward who rarely makes mistakes.
• Not a great athlete but a solid defender and rebounder. Rarely creates own shot.
• Has 18-foot range. Limited post game. Undersized 4 but strong, physical.

Haslem missed nearly the entire season with a foot injury, but his return in the playoffs solidified the frontcourt rotation and gave Miami the upper hand on Chicago in particular. He played only 347 minutes before checking out so there isn't a ton to discuss, especially since, statistically, he did the same things he does every other season.

Of note, however, is that he continues to rip the nets on long 2s. He shot 46.6 percent in 2009-10, and made 49.2 percent in his brief 2010-11 cameo.


JAMES JONES, SF
 Projection: 11.4 pts, 4.2 reb, 1.2 ast per 40 min; 9.58 PER
| Player card

• One-dimensional corner 3-point shooter. Has no idea he's allowed to dribble.
• Poor athlete, but has good size for 3 and plays passable defense. Bad rebounder.

The ultimate Johnny One-Note, Jones did nothing but shoot 3s from the corner, except for that one time he tried a shot at the basket. No, seriously -- he took one shot at the basket all season. In 1,551 minutes.

Needless to say, Jones had the league's lowest rate of shot attempts at the rim last season (see chart). In a related note, Jones had 98.6 percent of his baskets assisted, the most of any perimeter player except Brian Cardinal.

Fewest shots at the rim per minute, 2010-11
Player   Team   Shots at rim/min.
James Jones   Mia   .025
Brian Cardinal   Dal   .065
Carlos Arroyo   Mia-Bos   .160
Steve Blake   LAL   .177
Daequan Cook   OKC   .200
Source: Hoopdata.com. Min. 500 minutes.
Jones' other stats similarly highlight his offensive extremes. He had the second-lowest turnover ratio, because all he had to do was catch and shoot. He took five shots inside 15 feet all year. He led the NBA in secondary percentage, because nearly all his shots were 3s, and was second among small forwards in TS%. He was last among small forwards in usage rate, because he just stood in the corner all game.

Somehow, Jones drew a decent number of free throw attempts, as he has become very good at pump-faking the 3 and drawing contact -- most memorably on the play that led to his playoff fracas with Paul Pierce.

Defensively, he wasn't bad; his biggest shortcoming was a pathetic rebound rate. Opposing small forwards mustered just a 13.2 PER against him according to 82games.com, and his Synergy and plus-minus data were solid. Overall he's an extremely limited player, but one whose strengths fit in quite well with Miami's roster.


EDDIE HOUSE, SG
 Projection: 13.3 pts, 3.6 reb, 2.5 ast p/40 min; 10.41 PER
| Player card

• Small, shoot-first guard with quick, accurate jumper. Good at getting open.
• Awful ball handler for size. Can't bring ball up against pressure.
• Good defensive effort but lacks size and athleticism. Never draws fouls.

In retrospect, it's surprising that House didn't play more, given what a threat his weak-side long-distance sniping can be. Miami didn't need him to bring the ball up, which is good because he can't, but House can competently defend opposing point guards and he can score. House averaged 14.8 points per 40 minutes -- solid, but also the fewest since his rookie year -- and did it with the lowest turnover ratio among point guards.

He could have done better, as House actually had a tough shooting year by his standards. He made just 38.9 percent of his 3s and 39.5 percent of his long 2s. Of course, that's a glass-half-full view; it was also his second straight year of shooting in the 30s, and he's 33 years old, and his scoring rate declined for the third straight year.

Defensively, House is light and a B athlete who can be bullied by big guards, but he's quick and competes. His Synergy grades were shockingly good; while I'll take that with a grain of salt or 10 given the limited minutes, his other numbers weren't bad either. All told, he might have been Miami's best option at the point, even shooting 39 percent and not being able to get the ball upcourt. If he makes more shots, he certainly is.


NORRIS COLE, PG
 No projection
| Player card

• Solid point guard with broad-based skills and excellent handle.
• Not great at any one thing, but few weaknesses. Lacks elite athleticism.
• Mediocre long-range shooter. Better at midrange pull-ups. Thin frame.

Cole didn't get a lot of national hype playing for tiny Cleveland State, but scouts in the know salivated over him all season. He's a rock-solid pick-and-roll point guard with a lot of subtle moves to free himself, one of those guys who just knows how to play.

He's not a super athlete and he'll have to improve his 34 percent mark on 3-pointers in his final two collegiate seasons, but he improved steadily throughout his college career and earned rave reviews for his work ethic along the way. Given Miami's needs, I thought he was great value for a late first-round pick; if he hits 3s he could be starting by the time the playoffs roll around.


MIKE BIBBY, PG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 11.9 pts, 3.4 reb, 4.8 ast per 40 min; 10.70 PER
| Player card

• Small, steady jump-shooting point guard with low release point. Quick trigger.
• Low-mistake player. Rarely penetrates or draws fouls.
• Poor defensive player. Lacks both size and quickness. Doesn't rebound.

Despite making 44 percent of his 3s, Bibby's steady decline continued -- culminating in a DNP in the decisive Game 6 of the Finals. Bibby can space the floor and handles the ball well enough to orchestrate offense, but between his small stature and lack of athleticism he's a liability in every other area. He can't create his own shot or finish anything besides an open jumper, which is easily seen in two stats: his usage rate, the fifth-worst among point guards, and his free throw rate, the second-worst.

Bibby struggled even on long 2s (36.4 percent on 2s beyond 10 feet), and virtually never got into the paint -- in addition to the anemic free throw rate, he had only 52 attempts inside 10 feet in 2,286 minutes.

And defensively, it was a constant game in both Atlanta and Miami to hide him on the weak side against bad offensive players. But even so Bibby contributed little from the help side -- he was only 62nd among point guards in steals per minute, and Synergy gave him poor grades in both Atlanta and Miami. Bibby likely can stick around in the league another year or two because of his perimeter shooting threat, but his days as an NBA starter ended the second Miami turned in its lineup sheet for Game 6.


ERICK DAMPIER, C (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 7.5 pts, 8.4 reb, 1.4 ast per 40 min; 9.41 PER
| Player card

• Formerly active offensive rebounder whose zeal has greatly diminished.
• Average defensive center. Has good size but not terribly mobile or active.
• Has no post game or ballhandling skill. Won't shoot from outside.

Here's all you need to know about Dampier's tenure in Miami: His defining skill his entire career has been his offensive rebounding, and he ranked 51st among centers in offensive rebound rate last season. All that goes to explain why he averaged a pathetic 6.3 points per 40 minutes, and why he had a single-digit PER, and why he's probably about at the end of the line.

Defensively, Dampier wasn't bad in Miami. He's still big and he can move around fairly well, ranking 16th among centers in blocks per minute. Synergy graded him among the league's best centers in his limited minutes; while the other defensive stats weren't as effusive in their praise, it's clear he retains some value at this end.

But offensively? Egads. Dampier's main job was "stay out of the way," yet he still posted one of the highest turnover ratios in basketball. His rate of 6.3 points per 40 minutes was the fifth-lowest in the league (of course, in Miami this made him the Heat's "offensive" center), and the mysterious disappearance of his offensive boards left him without a function since he has no post game or jump shot.



JUWAN HOWARD, PF (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 8.2 pts,7.9 reb, 1.4 ast per 40 min; 7.63 PER
| Player card

• Limited veteran big man who shoots line-drive, double-clutching 15-footers.
• Has lost athleticism. Poor finisher at rim and subpar rebounder.
• Physical defender but can't jump, and never blocks shots. Low-mistake player.

The canary in the coal mine for the Heat's bench woes, Howard was the first sub off the bench in one of the Boston games and played regularly in the Finals even though he's 38 and hasn't been good in five years. He averaged 9.4 points per 40 minutes, had a TS% under 50, and in his specialty of midrange shooting shot 39.0 percent. Also, Synergy rated him as one of the worst defenders at his position. Other than that he was great.


JAMAAL MAGLIORE, C (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 No projection
| Player card

• Long-armed, slow-footed center who can barely jump. Strong post defender.
• Excellent rebounder. Little offensive value, but crashes boards and draws fouls.

Magloire played only 158 minutes, operating as a bit of a poor man's Joel Anthony in that his value at the defensive end was more than offset by his utter uselessness when Miami had the ball. While Magloire can't outjump a Pop-Tart, his size and long arms make him a very good rebounder; last season's prodigious rebound rate of 22.9 not only provided nearly all of his rare points, but gave him a defensive impact because he limited second shots.


DEXTER PITTMAN, C
 No projection
| Player card

• Powerful physical force around basket. Overweight but got in better shape.
• Short for a center but long arms. Good hands. Poor foul shooter.
• Can defend post but lacks mobility. Liability in pick-and-roll defense.

A second-round project, Pittman played only 11 minutes for the Heat last season, but he played 22 games in the D-League for South Florida and put up serviceable big-guy stats. The biggest red flag was that he committed a foul every seven minutes; if he's hacking that much at that level, he's going to be a whistle magnet in the NBA. At the other end he'll draw a fair number of fouls himself because of his sheer size and strength, but he made only 54.8 percent of his freebies in the D-League.

The most notable development, however, was that Pittman got into much better shape as the year went on. He was over 300 pounds when Miami drafted him, but if he can keep the weight off he could evolve into a decent backup center.
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Even more than the focus on stats, it's the sheer attention that Hollinger pays to the NBA that wins me over.  He's a great resource for learning about role players, teams that don't get on national TV a lot, weird little statistical anomalies, etc.  I don't know that there's a mainstream basketball writer/reporter out there who obviously watches so many games.

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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2923 on: November 22, 2011, 11:17:47 PM »
Lebron's analysis sounds much like my game, minus the size and ball-handling.  Also, I don't choke because I hog it until I hit the game winning shot. 

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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2924 on: November 23, 2011, 01:06:51 AM »
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Nowitzki remains among the game's most devastating offensive weapons thanks to the relatively simple concept that he generates a lot of points from relatively few possessions. It's not just that he averaged 26.9 points per 40 minutes, a fearsome stat in itself, but that he did it with such staggering efficiency. Nowitzki again had among the lowest turnover rates at his position, and his true shooting percentage of 61.7 is mind-boggling for a midrange shooter. He basically turns the game's normal percentages on their head.

I can't stress this enough: You're not supposed to shoot this many long 2s and still have good percentages. For every other player in every other league in the entire world, the long 2-pointer is the worst shot in basketball. But it's not if you're Dirk Nowitzki. He was the second best in the league at shooting from 10-23 feet last season (see chart), but the even more amazing part is in the "attempts" column -- he took nearly 10 a game. Well more than half his shots were long 2s.

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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2925 on: November 23, 2011, 01:11:27 AM »
Maybe Hollinger will release his own NBA 2011 season fanfic, complete with write ups of all 82 games of all teams, describing in the most accurate statistical detail what would have happened if games were played.
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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2926 on: November 23, 2011, 01:37:21 AM »
You know, an idea like that actually occurred to me.  I figured it wouldn't be too hard to find the official NBA 82-game season schedule, and then to write an alternate-universe blog as if it were being played, or start a forum thread with the same intent.

All I'd need is the talent and work ethic to pull it off.

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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2927 on: November 23, 2011, 01:40:48 AM »
People do that kind of thing with associations and franchises. Some of those even cover other games that happened, invent locker room and coaching drama, trade rumors, all-star balloting, etc.

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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2928 on: November 23, 2011, 03:20:22 PM »
Are you implying that hockey is a sport, Mandark?  I know you're liberal and all but this is a step too far.

What are you talkin' aboot?



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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2929 on: November 23, 2011, 08:48:20 PM »
yo, are we getting the Hollinger bit on the Bulls? I wonder who their best player was!
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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2930 on: November 26, 2011, 03:41:40 AM »
Season back on lololo
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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2932 on: November 26, 2011, 04:05:08 AM »
I am ready to piss on their season!


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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2935 on: November 26, 2011, 07:27:22 AM »
that winners losers article is hilarious

quick summary: everyone won! WEEEEE

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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2936 on: November 26, 2011, 07:42:46 AM »
Legit excited. Go Warriors :rock
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2937 on: November 26, 2011, 09:52:40 AM »
I'm curious to see the final details and what got the ball rolling.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2938 on: November 26, 2011, 09:56:02 AM »
I'm curious to see the final details and what got the ball rolling.

Probably just the realization by all parties that they were all gonna lose a shit-ton of money and create increased bad will amongst their fans during a shitty economic recession.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2939 on: November 26, 2011, 10:31:46 AM »
Awwwwwwwwwww yeah.  First time I've been really excited for Christmas since I was a kid.

I imagine teams doing those "get the gang back together" montages, tracking down the players all over the globe and letting them know the news in person.