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Cormacaroni

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2940 on: November 26, 2011, 10:39:01 AM »
I'M SO EXCITED!

Could there be a better Christmas present than say, finding out that Kobe got fat? I just don't think so!
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2941 on: November 26, 2011, 11:35:50 AM »
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Black Friday, true to form, was a day for deals.

With the prospect of Christmas games as the carrot and the players' antitrust lawsuit as the stick, a tentative agreement has been reached in the NBA labor dispute. If all goes according to plan, teams will be able to sign players beginning Dec. 9, and opening day will be Dec. 25.

Much work remains to be completed in what NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver described as an "incredibly tight schedule." The tentative agreement emerged as the result of a mammoth 15-hour negotiating session Friday, the first official face-to-face meeting since the players disbanded their union and filed an antitrust suit earlier this month.

"Despite some bumps in the road, even this evening, the greater good required us to knock ourselves out and come to this tentative understanding," commissioner David Stern said.

Those bumps in the road included a "take-it-or-leave-it" offer from the league on Nov. 10, with the threat of the league's proposal resetting to where it was last June should the players decline to accept. The players responded by dissolving their union on Nov. 14 -- a precursor to shifting the venue from labor law to antitrust law -- and filing two federal lawsuits, which were later consolidated into a single suit in Minnesota.

At the time Stern declared that the NBA was headed into a "nuclear winter."

"For us the litigation is something that just has to be dealt with," Stern said. "It was not the reason for the settlement. The reason for the settlement was we've got fans, we've got players who would like to play and we've got others who are dependent on us."

Technically what transpired in a Manhattan conference room Friday were lawsuit settlement talks, and not labor negotiations. With the union disbanded, the players' association was no longer the negotiating unit for the 400-plus NBA players. Billy Hunter officially was there as one of the litigators in the Minnesota lawsuit and not as the executive director of the union, but his role was the same: to bring home a deal. This was underscored by the presence of union president Derek Fisher, who was not one of the named plaintiffs in the lawsuit.
Conspicuously absent from the room was Jeffrey Kessler, the union's outside counsel and a participant in all negotiating sessions leading up to the dissolution of the union. The pugnacious Kessler had been a thorn in Stern's side throughout the process, with the commissioner calling Kessler "the single most divisive force in our negotiations" and referring to his conduct as "routinely despicable." However, Kessler did participate in Friday's negotiations via conference call at key junctures.

Friday's tentative agreement is merely the first in a series of events that now need to occur in order for the season to start according to plan. The next step is for the negotiators to brief their own constituents. "We have a conference call set up with the Labor Relations Committee tomorrow morning," Stern said.

Hunter had a similar plan: "I haven't had a chance yet to speak to the plaintiffs in the case. I think I owe it first to them to discuss the tentative settlement with them before we disclose it to the press and public."

Assuming there are no snags, players' attorney David Boies will ask the Minnesota court to dismiss the lawsuit early next week. The league will also request the dismissal of the federal lawsuit they filed in New York earlier this year. But before the sides can officially negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement, the players will need to re-certify their union. This will require a vote, but is expected to pass -- with the players likely following the recommendation of Hunter, Fisher and the union's executive committee.

According to Gabe Feldman, director of the sports law program at Tulane University, the league will also need to recognize the reconstructed union. "That will truly be a formality," he said, adding that the union does not also need to file a petition with the National Labor Relations Board.

But before an agreement can be voted on, the two sides also will need to resolve a litany of what have come to be known as "B-List" issues, including the age limit, the rookie salary scale, player discipline and drug testing. The players presented the league with a list of these unresolved issues, totaling six pages, during a negotiating session earlier this month. Stern was careful to note that these issues still need to be resolved before the league's Board of Governors can vote on the deal. "We'll call a board vote in due course, because we want to do that at such time that our understandings are adequately represented on pieces of paper," he said.
A quick resolution of these B-List items is not necessarily a foregone conclusion. A number of these issues -- including the age limit for league eligibility -- have been contentious. "It ain't over 'til it's over," cautioned one source connected to the players' side.

Once these issues are resolved, the two sides will each vote to ratify the agreement. A "yes" vote is needed from 15 of the 29 owners (the league owns the New Orleans Hornets) and from a simple majority of the approximately 450 NBA players. "We're confident once we present it, they will support it," Hunter said. Stern said it could take three days to a week for this vote to occur.

The new collective bargaining agreement will need to be written, proofread and signed. It is only when this happens that the lockout will officially be lifted and teams will be allowed to sign players and make trades. If everything proceeds according to plan the league will officially open its doors to the players on Dec. 9.

Training camps will open the same day, with camps and signings occurring in parallel. It is also possible (although not yet confirmed) that teams will be allowed to conduct informal workouts soon after the voting is complete.

"We're optimistic that will all come to pass, and that the NBA season will begin on Christmas Day with a tripleheader," Stern said.

A number of players signed to play overseas during the lockout, and now have to book their returns to the United States. Any player under an NBA contract had to have language in his overseas contract stipulating that the contract becomes null and void when the NBA labor dispute is settled. This is true for any NBA players playing in Europe. The Chinese basketball league would not allow contracts to be signed with these out clauses, and were limited to signing players who were NBA free agents. NBA players who signed in China, such as J.R. Smith and Wilson Chandler, are not expected to return for the start of the NBA season.

Details of the new agreement have yet to emerge, partly due to the unresolved B-List issues and partly due to the sides needing to present the details to their own constituents before commenting further. The new agreement is said to include a 50-50 split of revenues, which could climb as high as 51 percent or drop as low as 49 percent should revenues exceed or fall short of projections.

The agreement is also said to include a relaxation of many of the system issues from the league's Nov. 10 proposal -- issues that led to the union's disclaimer and subsequent lawsuit. The league sought to control spending and improve competitive balance through a highly punitive luxury tax and further spending restrictions to be imposed on taxpaying teams, which the union considered unacceptable. Friday's compromise included the elimination of the smaller mid-level exception for taxpayers, the restoration of sign-and-trade and extend-and-trade transactions, and the removal of the harsher tax penalties for teams that are taxpayers four times in a five-year span.

"It's not the system we sought out to get in terms of a harder cap," Silver said, "but the luxury tax is harsher than it was in the past deal, and we hope it's effective."

With the elimination of the harsher penalties for taxpaying teams, the union hopes it is able to preserve the freedom of movement that is the lifeblood of free agency. It is over this issue that the players rejected the owners' proposal even after agreeing to a 50-50 revenue split, and the players would not have dissolved their union and filed a federal lawsuit just to accept a proposal that closely resembled the deal that was already on the table.

The players also reportedly asked for their split of the revenues to be raised to 51 percent -- with the league rejecting this proposal and nearly ending the discussions. Instead, the two sides agreed to a 49-51 banded split, with a formula that made it easier for the players' share to exceed 50 percent.

Summarizing their agreement, Silver said, "We feel ultimately it will give fans in every community hope that their teams can compete for championships, and a basis for believing their team [success] will be a function of management of the team rather than how deep the owner's pockets are or how large their market is."

Perhaps the two sides got the best anyone can hope for in an extended and contentious negotiation: a deal neither side is happy with, but one that both sides can live with.

The rest of us got a new present to unwrap on Christmas morning.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/lockout-111126/analyzing-new-nba-labor-agreement

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2942 on: November 26, 2011, 01:02:54 PM »
Awwwwwwwwwww yeah.  First time I've been really excited for Christmas since I was a kid.

I imagine teams doing those "get the gang back together" montages, tracking down the players all over the globe and letting them know the news in person.

I have a feeling it'll look morel like this


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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2943 on: November 26, 2011, 05:44:26 PM »
For me, the only small downside is that we'll miss out on NBA stars rampaging through foreign leagues.  Some more games like this and I wouldn't have to listen to any Euro partisans explain how international competitions proved that the NBA isn't the gold standard any more, or how Euro-style basketball relies on a different skillset.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2944 on: November 26, 2011, 05:56:32 PM »
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NBA owners won. Big. But the players can live with it.
Kurt Helin Nov 26, 2011, 12:04 PM EST

As the talk starts to build of all the little concessions the NBA players got in the last week to make an NBA labor deal happen in time for games on Christmas day, remember this:

The owners won.

In a massive way. This is an Attila the Hun sweeping through Eastern Europe kind of win — devastating and total.

David Stern and the owners came into these NBA labor talks saying they lost more than $300 million last season and $400 million the year before that. By getting the players to agree to what is in practice a 50/50 split of basketball related income (although the deal allows the players to get to 51 percent if revenue increases enough) the owners got the players to essentially accept a 12 percent salary cut that will cover those losses.

This will come to more than $3 billion back in the owners’ pockets if the deal lasts the full 10 years (both sides can opt out of the deal after six years). What’s more, the deal means the players will have shorter contracts with lower raises going forward. Plus, the system now ties the hands of larger market, bigger spending teams helping depress salaries that way.

The owners will tell you they didn’t get everything they wanted, some will vote against this deal. Those guys are fools — they got more than enough to balance their books. Combined with more robust revenue sharing — soon to be triple what it was — small market owners should be able to break even or turn a profit. They should be able to compete (they could before, ask San Antonio and Oklahoma City). If they can’t, well, it’s on them now. It’s not the system.

All that said, the players got enough small victories — and a couple key ones — that this is a deal they can live with.

Early in the lockout, PBT spoke with former NBA players union president Charles Grantham and he said the smartest move the union ever made, the thing they could not give up in these talks, was keeping the salary cap tied to league revenue. Early offers from the owners wanted to detach the two — players salaries would stay flat at about $2 billion a year and all of the money from expected growth in the league (such as a new national television deal coming in 2016) would go straight to the owners pockets.

The players won that fight. They will get a smaller share of that revenue, but as the league’s revenue grows player salaries will go up. Grow the game and grow how much money you make.

The other two hills the players were willing to die on were guaranteed contracts and a hard salary cap. The owners relented on those as well. Yes, the owners now have more ways to get out of bad contracts faster, and yes the new luxury tax rules make it much more costly for high-revenue teams to spend big, but the players won those fights on principle.

There were other small victories, such as getting the threshold to get to the 51 percent of revenue lowered to a makeable goal. The players got the extend-and-trade so their biggest stars can better control their exits from teams. They got a solid mid-level exception for tax paying teams.

That was enough. It needed to be enough because the players were going to start losing more money in salary than they were making back fighting over the scraps of this deal.

But this negotiation was all about the money, and the owners got a lot more of it. They won. The small market owners in particular should now be able to turn a profit. The players got a way to save face at the end but the owner won and won big.

With this caveat…

In 1999, after a lockout that lasted into January, the owners were thought to have won. They got a cap on max salaries, so that there would be no more deals like the one Kevin Garnett and Shaquille O’Neal had gotten. They got a percentage that capped players’ salaries in total at 57 percent. Everyone said the owners won, including the players.

A dozen years later, the owner were crying that the deal was unfair and killing them. You never know how things will play out. And you can bet in 10 years, when this deal formally ends, there will be owners saying what a bad deal this is for them and how it is killing them. Even if the fault is their own management.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/26/nba-owners-won-big-but-the-players-can-live-with-it/related

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2945 on: November 26, 2011, 06:37:21 PM »
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Top 10 free agents when the lockout ends
Matt Moore Nov 26, 2011, 5:30 PM EST


On December 9th, assuming the deal is approved by both sides, players will re-enter training facilities for the first time since last spring to being working towards the NBA season. At the same time, NBA free agency for the 2011-2012 season will open, and all hell will break loose as teams scramble to sign their guys and whatever players are available. With that in mind, here are the top 10 free agents this season.

1. Nene, C, Nuggets, UFA: Nene is a veteran without being too old, a dynamic defender while having scoring ability, a tough competitor without an injury history, and a locker room leader who can also produce. The Pacers, Heat, and Nuggets are expected to vie for his services.

2. Marc Gasol, C, Grizzlies, RFA: Gasol is restricted, and every indication is that the Grizzlies plan to re-sign him. If he hits the open market he’ll attract a swath of offers. He’s the most versatile center available, with great perimeter defense, passing, low-post scoring, and basketball IQ. He’s coachable and liked by teammates, and tougher than his more gifted brother. Memphis losing him would be devastating, but OKC and New York are both expected to express interest.

3. David West, PF, Hornets, UFA: An aging former All-Star coming off knee surgery. Yikes. But West is consistent, reliable, and provides a scoring punch to any team. Indiana is expected to make a strong push for West, to pair him with Darren Collison. His strongest attribute is the mid-range jumper off the pick and pop, which shouldn’t be affected by age, but if anyone needed that decrease in contract years, it’s whoever signs West.

4. Tyson Chandler,  PF, Mavericks, UFA: World Champion defender and elite center in a league weak on them. Chandler was the difference for the Mavericks last season and his impact was what lead them to the title, in part. If the Mavericks let him get away, expect half a dozen teams to pull for him, including offers which don’t make sense given his age and injury history. But he’s still one of the biggest impact players in the class.

5. Thaddeus Young, SF, Sixers, RFA: The Sixers are unlikely to let Young out of their sights, but given their cap space, if they for some reason don’t clear Andres Nocioni off their cap via amnesty, they could be tight on funds for him. Young has become a versatile combo forward who is able to play more power forward the older he gets. He would be a premium free agent if he leaked to the market, given that he’s only 23.

6. J.R. Smith, SG, Nuggets, UFA: Assuming Smith returns from China via some shady “release” arrangement, he’s going to be the best shooting guard on the market. A sixth-man-of-the-year candidate with range and athleticism, the Bulls would very much like a crack at Smith but he may be too expensive. The Nuggets will be in a bind to re-sign him given their need to also re-sign restricted free agent Aaron Afflalo. The Knicks may also be in the market for Smith.

7. Jason Richardson, SG, Magic, UFA: This year’s likely ring-chaser. Richardson is 31 with declining athleticism and coming off a poor showing in the playoffs. But he’s a veteran who can hit from range, defend decently and contribute to a veteran squad. The mid-level playoff teams should be very interested in his services, but if he decides to take less to get the ring, he could be a game changer in this market.

8. DeAndre Jordan, C, Clippers, RFA: Jordan is the perfect partner to Griffin, able to rebound and clean up after the attention paid to the ROY. The Clippers shouldn’t let him out of the stable, but if they do there will be a fleet of suitors. He’s still raw, still young, and has added a huge amount of bulk and strength to go along with his length and athleticism. Jordan could be the steal of this class.

9. Glen Davis, PF, Celtics, UFA: Big Baby is expected to be sacrificed to the market by the Celtics in an effort to clear room both for Jeff Green and 2012. He’s a great defender who has learned a ton in Boston, but too often gets his head screwed on wrong on offense, thinking he’s a mid-range shooter like KG when he’s a pure mash-and-dash guy. He could wind up with a head-scratcher deal.

10. Jeff Green, PF, Celtics, RFA: As opposed to Green, who undoubtedly will end up with a head-scratcher deal. Green doesn’t excel in any particular area, isn’t a great shooter, rebounder, defender, scorer, passer, or glue guy. He’s athletic and young, and has the potential to do a lot of things well, and that will drive his value up and the Celtics seem intent on paying the inflated market value for him.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/26/top-10-free-agents-when-the-lockout-ends/

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2946 on: November 26, 2011, 07:25:45 PM »
I'm surprised Dalembert isn't on there. He's got to have more value than Glen Davis. You'll also have all the amnesty guys available. Likely Gilbert, Lewis and Hamilton.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2947 on: November 26, 2011, 07:48:25 PM »
This J.R. Smith-in-China thing is going to have Ch1nchilla sawing at his wrists before long, bank on it :lol

If he has no null-and-void clause in his contract, he's going to have to buy himself out, or get fired. Either option would be hugely entertaining, I wager. Popcorn time.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2948 on: November 26, 2011, 07:53:31 PM »
also, lol at Nene having 'no injury history'
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2949 on: November 26, 2011, 10:49:32 PM »
Finally.
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Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
« Reply #2950 on: November 26, 2011, 11:18:16 PM »
That's the thing about 7 game series: you only really have a chance at winning if you're legitimately good.  If an 8 seed outright sucks, all they're getting is a chance to be called "turrible" by Sir Charles on national TV.

Anyway, could be worse.  Ask any crotchety hockey fan about the NHL in the early 80's.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2951 on: November 27, 2011, 10:37:44 PM »
Since nothing in the new CBA really changes anything I was interested in, I'm most excited to see Durant keep developing as a player.  He has the potential to end up being really, really special/good imo. 
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2952 on: November 27, 2011, 10:38:20 PM »
That's the thing about 7 game series: you only really have a chance at winning if you're legitimately good.  If an 8 seed outright sucks, all they're getting is a chance to be called "turrible" by Sir Charles on national TV.

Anyway, could be worse.  Ask any crotchety hockey fan about the NHL in the early 80's.

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(okay, I concede the point on the proportion of teams making the playoffs.....)

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2953 on: November 27, 2011, 11:21:54 PM »
since the system wasn't really fixed isn't this just a 6 year hiatus until the next lockout?

I hope fans hold back, but I doubt that they do.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2954 on: November 27, 2011, 11:38:03 PM »
Since nothing in the new CBA really changes anything I was interested in, I'm most excited to see Durant keep developing as a player.  He has the potential to end up being really, really special/good imo.

Yeah, I'm really interested to see what Durant's year is like.  The two big subplots are whether he and Russell Westbrook can coexist productively and how he adjusts to being played more physically, like in the Grizzlies series where they seemed to figure him out.  He needs to either bulk up a bit, or if he feels that would hurt the rest of his game, hire Reggie Miller to teach him the art of off-the-ball movement.  Perkins could definitely be setting some nice screens for him.

Speaking of the Grizzlies and Thunder...

Chicago Bulls:

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DERRICK ROSE, PG
 Projection: 27.4 pts, 4.1 reb, 7.8 ast per 40 min; 23.4 PER
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• Dynamic scoring point guard with good size and superb athleticism.
• Outstanding finisher, especially in transition. Average shooter. Excels at runners.
• Rebounds well for size. Improved defender. Killer left-to-right crossover.

The league's reigning MVP -- let's not go there again -- enjoyed a breakout campaign that showcased his shot-creating abilities and several subtle efficiency improvements. The one that drew all the attention was Rose's becoming a somewhat viable 3-point shooter, as he made 33.8 percent of his triples. That's not exactly fearsome, but it's an upgrade. He shot in the 20s his first two seasons. However, he gave that gain back on his long 2s. Rose had made 44.5 percent the previous season; last season he slumped to 39.8 percent. The biggest difference for him, efficiency-wise, was that more of his shots were 3s and fewer were long 2s, which helped due to the extra point.

Of more lasting value, perhaps, was that Rose began drawing a lot more fouls as the season went on. Despite his penetration skills he was a fairly low free throw player his first two seasons, and in the first two months of 2010-11 he showed a similar pattern with just five free throw attempts a game. Over the rest of the season he upped that average to eight, and for the season he was 12th among point guards in free throw rate.

All this was more impressive because of the sheer volume of shots Rose created. He took the highest percentage of his team's shots of anyone in the league and was second in the NBA in usage rate behind Kobe Bryant. He also helped on the boards (18th among point guards) and, while he'll never be mistaken for John Stockton, he had a decent pure point rating even with all the shots he took (28th).

Defensively, Rose showed considerable improvement in his effort level, although he still gets hung up on ball screens way too easily and doesn't get his hands on many balls (56th out of 68 point guards in steals per minute). His recovery ability helps, as he finished fifth among point guards in blocks per minute -- several of them coming after he was beat on an initial drive and then stormed back to deny the shot at the rim.

For the season Rose had the worst defensive plus-minus of any Chicago regular, but partly that's because the Bulls' subs were better defenders than the starters. His opponent PER and Synergy numbers were better; on balance, he was a middling defender last season, which is a huge improvement over where he was before.


KEITH BOGANS, SG
 Projection: 8.9 pts, 4.3 reb, 2.6 ast per 40 min; 7.91 PER
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• Role-playing wing who defends, shoots open 3s, and does little else.
• Tough, focused defender. Short arms but strong and competes. Bad rebounder.
• Very limited offensively. Good handle for size but no burst. Poor finisher.

Despite his modest individual stats, Bogans rather surprisingly ended up as a full-time starter on a 62-win team, not to mention the go-to closing line for Derrick Rose's MVP supporters ("They start Keith Bogans!"). He was 63rd among shooting guards in PER and averaged just 9.8 points per 40 minutes, but he did the two things Chicago needed: He was fairly efficient and played good defense.

Bogans shot 3s almost exclusively -- 77 percent of his shots were triples, the most among shooting guards -- and made a respectable 38 percent. Among shooting guards he was 19th in TS% and ninth in pure point rating, so at least the rare possessions he used were effective.

Still, offensively he was a burden. Bogans can't create shots at all, can't finish and doesn't rebound, and that's why he was never on the floor at the end of games. Defensively, he was solid but hardly spectacular. The Bulls played better when he was off the court, although in general Chicago's subs at the other four spots were better defenders than the starters. But also, his Synergy and opponent PER numbers were ordinary. Subjectively he was better than those numbers, but his biggest asset as a player was that he knew exactly what his strengths and limitations were and never, ever, EVER went beyond those boundaries.


LUOL DENG, SF
 Projection: 17.8 pts, 6.2 reb, 2.8 ast per 40 min; 15.70 PER
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• Big, long wing who can shoot over the top of defenders. Good athlete.
• Likes to go right off one dribble for jumper. Not a creative offensive player.
• Excellent defender due to size, mobility and effort. Average shooter.

A not-quite-All-Star who has quietly become one of the game's best two-way wings, Deng earned new appreciation during the Bulls' renaissance last season. While his basic stock in trade offensively is providing a lot of middling efficiency shot attempts, he's above average in a few subtle areas. First, he draws a lot of fouls for a jump shooter; second, he cut his turnovers last season and took more 3s. The 3-pointer didn't offer dramatic help -- he made only 34.5 percent -- but with the extra point that's still better than the 40.4 percent he shot on 2s beyond 16 feet. Finally, Deng is a good short-range shooter on runners and pull-ups; he made 44.4 percent between 3 and 15 feet.

His limitation is a lack of offensive creativity. Deng doesn't offer a lot of deception or variety; most of the time, he's taking a hard dribble right and shooting over the top of his defender. It's an effective way to create shots, but those shots aren't of the highest quality.

Deng's rebound rate dropped dramatically last season for reasons that aren't entirely clear, but defensively he may have had his best season as a pro. His on-court versus off-court and Synergy ratings were some of the best in the league, while opposing small forwards mustered just an 11.3 PER against him according to 82games.com. The Bulls' team concept and quality bigs helped, but Deng's size, mobility and effort all were major advantages.


CARLOS BOOZER, PF
 Projection: 20.3 pts, 11.9 reb, 3.4 ast per 40 min; 17.15 PER
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• Bruising, high-scoring forward who is best weak-hand finisher in game.
• Shoots high-arcing midrange jumper to 18 feet. Can score in post. Injury-prone.
• Excellent rebounder but a subpar defender. Lacks both length and intensity.

The most interesting statistical morsel from Boozer's season is that defensively, he had much better results as a center than a power forward. Boozer played a lot of minutes alongside Taj Gibson in the frontcourt, especially when Joakim Noah was out, and surrendered a 14.2 opponent PER, according to 82games.com; as a power forward, that figure was a more problematic 17.6.

In fact, the defensive dominance of Chicago's other big men served to underscore all of Boozer's deficiencies at that end. He was 64th out of 70 power forwards in blocks per minute, had by far the worst Synergy stats of any Chicago frontcourt player, and according to basketballvalue.com the team gave up 6.36 points per 100 possessions more with him on the court. Subjectively, it was just as bad -- Boozer doesn't rotate well, doesn't bring a lot of energy, and is fairly short-armed. The one thing he does extremely well is rebound, where he was fifth among power forwards in defensive rebound rate.

Offensively, however, he more than offsets the defensive shortcomings -- even during a down season in 2010-11. Boozer's midrange J didn't find the net as often as in previous seasons (39.4 percent from beyond 10 feet) -- he'd made 45.5 percent of his long 2s over the previous two seasons -- but he was eighth among power forwards in points per minute with a solid TS%. He took more shots for the offense-deprived Bulls than he had in Utah and made fewer, but his percentages should bounce back next season on the jumpers. And at the rim he's still very solid, with an amazing left hand for a right-handed player.

Boozer's other issue is all the injuries. Last season he missed 23 games due to a broken hand, the fourth time in seven seasons he's played fewer than 60 games. His lack of durability and toothless defense have made him a scapegoat in both Utah and Chicago, but even with those shortcomings he's one of the most productive 4s in basketball.


JOAKIM NOAH, C
 Projection: 13.5 pts, 12.8 reb, 2.9 ast per 40 min; 17.87 PER
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• Energetic, hustling center who crashes boards, runs floor and defends.
• Strong help defender and great teammate. Emphatic finisher around basket.
• Poor shooter with side-spinning delivery. Good passer and ball handler.

Although Noah missed 34 games due to injury, he continued his steady development into one of the game's best centers. Noah couldn't maintain the prodigious rebound rate of a season earlier, but still ranked 10th among centers in that category. Meanwhile, he doubled his rate of steals and improved his shooting percentage; moreover, despite his awkward shooting stroke he's a solid free throw shooter and gets to the line regularly.

Defensively, Noah strives so much to help teammates that it sometimes leaves his own man free. He had the second-best Synergy rating of any center -- only Dwight Howard outrated him -- which is indicative of how active he was in pick-and-roll defense and switches. However, 82games.com tells us opposing centers posted an 18.2 PER against him.

The most underrated part of Noah's game, however, is his lack of weaknesses -- he ranked in the top 36 centers in every statistical category. While he's not much of a shooter, few centers are, and as I mentioned he makes his freebies. In terms of intangibles he's strong as well -- a hustling, high-energy player who is well-regarded in the locker room.



RESERVES

TAJ GIBSON, F
 Projection: 12.9 pts, 10.4 reb, 1.4 ast per 40 min; 14.13 PER
| Player card

• Athletic, lean forward who can finish around basket and run floor.
• Excellent defensive player who can block shots, help guards and rebound.
• Limited offensive player. Lacks great feel and a mediocre shooter.

One of the most underrated factors in Chicago's renaissance last season was the monstrous combination of Gibson and Omer Asik off the Chicago bench. When those two played, the opposing team didn't score; according to basketballvalue.com, the three most frequent lineup pairings with those two held opponents to a paltry 88.0 points per 100 possessions. One can easily argue Gibson was the more impressive of the two; Gibson had the best Synergy rating of any power forward and ranked third among power forwards in blocks per minute. He's also very solid on the boards, ranking 16th at his position in rebound rate.

Offensively, he remains raw. Gibson was well below par in all the main offensive metrics, with a 50.2 TS% being particularly poor. While he can finish at the rim he doesn't have great offensive instincts, and he shot only 35.2 percent from beyond 10 feet -- and he had more shots from there than at the rim. Gibson's poor free throw shooting is another vexing factor; he's shot 67.6 percent and 64.6 percent in his two pro seasons.

Gibson is entering only his third season, but he's already 26 years old so he's not likely to progress much further from this point. Barring the periodic spectacular dunk, he'll probably be something of an offensive liability his whole career. But defensively he's way ahead of the curve, and his rare combination of shot-blocking, mobility, strength and rebounding will keep him in the league for a decade.


KYLE KORVER, SG
 Projection: 15 pts, 4 reb, 3.1 ast per 40 min; 12.00 PER
| Player card

• Long-range shooting wing with good size. Good shooter off curls.
• Struggles in one-on-one defense but solid overall. Strong and has fast hands.
• Won't create own shot but can post up small wings. Good court vision.

Korver got a lot more scoring opportunities in Chicago than in Utah, as the Bulls were so desperate for offense from their second unit that they'd often run him off multiple screens as the first option. Additionally, his spot-up shooting threat provided a floor-spacing component none of his teammates offered, which is why he usually finished games for Chicago even though he didn't start them.

That intro explains a lot about Korver's statistical changes last season -- scoring and usage up, percentages down. He's still a devastating shooter, but was "only" 14th at his position in TS% last season because so many of his shots were high-difficulty releases. Nonetheless, he shot 45.7 percent from 16 to 23 feet and 41.5 percent on 3s; what really hurt Korver was how rare his layups were. Korver had only 27 shots inside 10 feet the entire season; in a related story, he virtually never went to the line either. He had 87 free throw attempts in 82 games, and many were of the "unearned" variety on illegal defenses or technical fouls.

Korver rarely penetrates, but he's a deft passer and often came off screens firing to an open man when the defense overreacted. For the season he was sixth among small forwards in pure point rating, an impressive accomplishment for a player who rarely probed off the dribble.

Less impressive were his rebounding numbers. Korver is 6-7 and strong, so ranking second to last among small forwards in rebound rate was pretty pathetic; he shattered his career low in the category. As for his defense, Korver's stats were padded by the great defenders around him on the Bulls' second unit, but he's not bad himself. Putting him one-on-one on LeBron James isn't advisable, and his lateral movement is a weakness, but he's strong, smart and a good team defender with surprisingly fast hands.


OMER ASIK, C
 Projection: 10.0 pts, 11.8 reb, 2.5 ast per 40 min; 12 PER
| Player card

• Mobile big man with great defensive awareness and shot-blocking skill.
• Mistake-prone offensive player. Brings ball down around basket. Can finish.
• Outstanding pick-and-roll defender. Limited post game and ball skills.

The Chef Linguini lookalike quickly became one of my favorite players to watch last season because of his vastly underrated defensive prowess. Asik fouled too much (once every 6.5 minutes) and seemingly committed a defensive three-second violation every game, but he blocked shots, crashed the boards (15th among centers in rebound rate) and, more than anything, stymied countless opponent forays with his length and unusually sharp defensive awareness for a rookie.

The combination of Asik and Taj Gibson, in particular, proved stifling; the Bulls gave up 9.7 fewer points per 100 possessions with Asik on the court, according to basketballvalue.com, while 82games.com tells us opposing centers had just a 12.3 PER against him.

Offensively, Asik can best be described as "mistake-prone." Only two centers had a worse turnover ratio thanks to his jittery hands and hazy understanding of what constitutes a legal screen. While he led the NBA in free throw attempts per field goal attempt at 1.03 (see Chris Andersen comment), that was mostly a conscious choice by opponents since he made only 50.4 percent from the line. Additionally, many times he was slow to gather and go up after receiving a pass at the rim, giving opponents time to hack him and prevent a dunk.

Another stat shows more clearly that he kept getting his shot blocked because he wasn't going up quickly enough. Asik is a good leaper and threw down some impressive dunks, but it took him an eternity to wind up. As a result, only Toronto's Reggie Evans had more of his shots sent back (see chart).

Highest percentage of own shots blocked, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pct. Blocked
Reggie Evans   Tor   20.4
Omer Asik   Chi   19.1
Zaza Pachulia   Atl   19.0
Chuck Hayes   Hou   15.6
Ryan Hollins   Cle   14.2
Source: Hoopdata.com. Min. 20 shots blocked

RONNIE BREWER, SG
 Projection: 15 pts, 4.4 reb, 2.5 ast per 40 min; 11.4 PER
| Player card

• Long-armed wing who gets hands on lots of balls. Disruptive defender.
• Good cutter off ball, especially along baselines. Good finisher at basket.
• Poor shooter with terrible form. Quality ball handler for size. Rebounds well.

One of the many surprises in Chicago's breakout 2010-11 season was Brewer morphing into a defensive ace after he'd struggled mightily in the same role in Utah. Coming off the Chicago bench, he didn't have to check as many A-list scorers as he'd done with the Jazz, but his impact was palpable. Quick and long-armed, Brewer was a constant pest who ranked third among shooting guards in steals per minute, and amazingly did it with the third-lowest foul rate. Synergy rated him second among 2s and opponents had a 12.7 PER against him according to 82games.com; like most of the Bulls' subs he also had an outstanding defensive plus-minus.

As a side benefit, Brewer crashed the boards. He ranked ninth among shooting guards in rebound rate, far exceeding his output in the previous four seasons. In retrospect, it's surprising he'd never rebounded well before, as he's tall for a 2 and athletic.

Offensively, Brewer's inability to shoot continues to hamper him. He made only six 3-pointers all season and shot just 36.3 percent on 2-pointers beyond 10 feet; his form makes the reason for his struggles obvious, with his elbow flying out to the side while he pushes the ball out from under his chin. Although Brewer handles the ball well for his size and ranked ninth among shooting guards in pure point rating, he averaged only 11.2 points per 40 minutes because of his anemic jumper. Brewer is an exceptionally good cutter off the ball and can finish chances around the basket, although one wishes he wouldn't shy away from contact so much. However, that was of far greater value in Utah's motion offense than in Chicago's more iso-heavy attack.

That inability to space the floor is why he usually didn't finish games, instead using his defense and energy to overwhelm opposing second units. As good as he was defensively, that's probably his upper limit unless he gets more jumpers to fall.


C.J. WATSON, PG
 Projection: 14.7 pts, 3.5 reb, 6.1 ast per 40 min; 12.89 PER
| Player card

• Adequate backup point guard with scorer's mindset. Can create shots.
• Can pressure ball and has fast hands, but struggles in half-court defense.
• Improving distributor but not an instinctive one. Subpar finisher.

Watson had to play a greater offensive role with Chicago's defensive-minded second unit than he'd done in Golden State, and it crushed his percentages. While his usage rate shot up, he made only 37.1 percent from the floor and had by far his worst TS%; overall the decline was so sharp that his scoring rate didn't improve at all despite the uptick in shots. Watson's main salvation was that he improved as a distributor, averaging a solid 6.8 assists per 40 minutes.

Watson was also unusually bad on short-range shots. He shot 34 percent inside 15 feet, and because he had to force the action at the end of the shot clock fairly often he shot only 33.7 percent on long 2s. He actually had a decent season with the long ball (39.3 percent on 3-pointers), but making just a third of his 2-point shots isn't acceptable.

Defensively, Watson had very strong on-court versus off-court numbers, as did the entire Bulls second unit. He wasn't the major engine behind that performance, however; he was just along for the ride. His individual defensive stats support that conclusion, with average Synergy numbers and a good but not great opponent PER according to 82games.com; again, one that came with Omer Asik and Taj Gibson having his back.

Subjective observation supports that conclusion; Watson was better than he'd been in Golden State, but mostly succeeded by trying to pressure the ball and cause havoc (he was sixth among point guards in steals per minute) and otherwise letting the Bulls' strong team concept work for him when he was beaten.


KURT THOMAS, C (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 6 pts, 9.6 reb, 1.7 ast per 40 min; 9.09 PER
| Player card

• Cagey, tough veteran who competes as undersized center. Low-mistake player.
• Can make open 18-footer but has no offensive game otherwise. Slow.
• Looked heavy and not a leaper, but strong and an excellent team defender.

In a stranger-than-fiction tale, the 38-year-old Thomas started 37 games for a 62-win team. In doing so he became this season's Juwan Howard -- a faded vet whose play as an emergency starter became a big deal because the expectations were so low. Thomas finished with a single-digit PER and averaged just 7.2 points per 40 minutes, but his solid defense made him a serviceable stopgap while Joakim Noah was injured. While opposing centers posted decent numbers against him, Thomas was a very effective team defender and the Bulls defended just as well with him on the court as with their other centers -- not too shabby when the other centers are Joakim Noah and Omer Asik.

Thomas helped space the floor by shooting 46 percent on long 2s; he also rarely turned the ball over and never took bad shots. That said, offensively, he was basically a nonfactor, scoring double figures twice all season. His main function was to stay out of the paint so Derrick Rose would have driving lanes. For a center his paint points were shockingly scarce; he scored 23 times at the basket the entire season, and only two centers drew fouls less frequently.


JANNERO PARGO, PG
 No projection
| Player card

• Small, quick, shoot-first guard with no court vision. Can't play point.
• Has hard time matching up defensively; needs point guard to defend the 2.
• Creates shots, but shoots nearly all jumpers. Middling 3-point shooter.

Pargo missed most of last season after having knee surgery; he was on the Bulls' roster for the final three weeks of the season and the playoffs, but didn't play in any games. He can be useful if a team is desperate enough for shot creating that it doesn't really care so much about the accuracy of said shots, especially if there's a big point guard on the court with him to cover the opposing 2. In most cases, however, he's a pretty marginal player.


JIMMY BUTLER, G
 No projection
| Player card

• Big, overachieving wing who can play tough defense. Smart, great attitude.
• Middling outside shooter and not a great athlete. May struggle to score.
• Solid rebounder. Drew fouls in college. Amazing backstory.

Butler's life story is fascinating -- think "The Blind Side," but for basketball -- as our Chad Ford detailed this spring. His career may be less so. A good defender who will probably be confined to a spot-up shooting role as a pro, Butler shapes up as a modern-day version of his namesake Rasual Butler. He can rebound and appears to have a decent feel for scoring around the bucket, so perhaps he'll surpass that projection; either way, he may have a long career simply because coaches love having guys like this around.


RASUAL BUTLER, SG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 No projection
| Player card

• Tall spot-up shooter who does virtually nothing else offensively.
• Only average accuracy but a low-mistake player. Bad rebounder.
• Length an asset on defense, but a subpar athlete. A 12th man.

Butler suffered through a miserable half season with the Clippers before they cut him, and at 32 his career is in jeopardy. He hardly played for the Bulls after they picked him up, and finished the season with a 32.3 percent shooting mark -- one that was just as bad on 2s as 3s. It was a broad-based awfulness, too, as Butler ranked in the bottom 10 small forwards in 11 different categories -- shooting percentage, free throw percentage, points per minute, TS%, PER, assist ratio, defensive rebound rate, offensive rebound rate, total rebound rate, free throw rate, and steals.

Surprisingly for a strict catch-and-shoot player, his turnover ratio wasn't even that good. Overall, his PER was the second worst among small forwards. Defensively, Butler can still function because he's long and knows what he's doing, but between the anemic offense and the lack of rebounding it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify keeping him on a roster.


BRIAN SCALABRINE, PF (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 No projection
| Player card

• Slow-footed combo forward with extremely limited offensive game.
• Can't create own shot or rebound. Average perimeter shooter at best.
• Good team defender. Has strength to defend 4s. Won't take a bad shot.

Scalabrine played only 88 minutes all season, only 11 of which came after Christmas. An end-of-the-end-of-the-bench player kept around for his character and familiarity with Tom Thibodeau's system, Scalabrine did nothing in his limited chances last season that was any different from the previous six, once again finishing with a PER below 8, a low scoring rate and an embarrassing rebound rate for a 6-9 forward.


JOHN LUCAS, PG
 No projection
| Player card

• Small, quick point guard with good outside shot. Lacks great court vision.
• Size a major impediment on defense. Decent athlete but not a great one.

Lucas played just 10 minutes for the Bulls after signing late in the season. He hasn't seen significant action in a North American league since the 2008-09 D-League campaign, in which he posted decent enough numbers; he's shot 43.7 percent on 3s in his D-League career.

Unfortunately he's a 5-11, 165-pound point guard, which means he has to be a ridiculous athlete to compete at the NBA level. Lucas is merely a very good one. Additionally, his assist rates throughout his career have been disappointingly low, as his instincts are more as a scorer. As a result, he's a 10-day fringe player.


NIKOLA MIROTIC, F
 No projection
| Player card

• Tall, highly skilled wing who can handle, shoot and pass. Good feel for game.
• B athlete who may struggle to finish and defend. Could play 4 as body fills out.

Mirotic was an excellent "stash" pick by the Bulls, as he's one of the most talented young players in Europe. He's 6-10 and he has the ball skills of a much small player. He has a good feel for the game, too. His translated European stats show he'd be a decent rotation player right now, and he's young enough to still improve significantly. However, he may not be coming over for a while. He has a long contract with a big buyout in Spain, so it could be as long as five years before he's in uniform.
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RUSSELL WESTBROOK, PG
 Projection: 26.1 pts, 5.2 reb, 9.5 ast per 40 min; 24.60 PER
| Player card

• Freakishly athletic shoot-first guard with great burst to basket. Penetrates at will.
• Shaky outside shooter. Rarely goes left. Decisions, in-between game need work.
• Could be excellent defender, but effort has slackened. Great offensive rebounder.

The regular season highlighted all the progress that Westbrook has made in turning from a wild, turnover-prone rookie into an All-Star point guard at just 22. The postseason showcased all the work that remains: Westbrook shot 39.4 percent in the playoffs while taking a staggering 20.2 field goal attempts per game; in playoff usage rate he was second only to Chicago's Derrick Rose, and Rose didn't play with a two-time scoring champ.

While Westbrook is a magnet for criticism and Rose appears immune, their games are actually quite similar. Westbrook makes more turnovers but earns them back with more rebounds. In terms of shooting and passing they're extremely similar. In fact, Westbrook's PER (23.63) and Rose's (23.62) couldn't be closer.

The difference is that, aesthetically, Westbrook leaves a lot more to be desired. The end result may be the same, but Westbrook's mistakes are more visibly frustrating -- his shot selection is questionable, he has no in-between game (he was the third-worst shooter in the league from 3 to 9 feet, at just 26.6 percent), and his game comes across as more selfish. If he fixes these shortcomings he's first-team all-world, but last May was pretty rough on the eyes.

Defensively, Westbrook also needs to recommit. Based on his physical skills, he should be awesome. He's plainly not. While Westbrook won't be overpowered by anyone and ranked fourth at his position in steals per minute, his effort needs to be more consistent. Additionally, he's so focused on crashing the boards (first among point guards in offensive rebound rate, second in overall rebound rate) that at times he leaves the backcourt exposed for easy run-outs.


THABO SEFOLOSHA, SG
 Projection: 8.0 pts, 7.1 reb, 2.3 ast per 40 min; 10.00 PER
| Player card

• Strong wing defender with good size and lateral movement. Very good rebounder.
• Handles ball well for size but has poor offensive instincts. Turnover-prone.
• Effective in open court but a mediocre outside shooter. Struggles in spot-up game.

Sefolosha's defensive chops are well-earned; he's not quite in the elite category, but he's very good. Statistically, the Thunder played better when he was on the court, and all the sources one can use -- Synergy, 82games.com, adjusted plus-minus, and good ol' subjective evaluation -- point to him as a positive force. He ranked seventh at his position in both blocks and steals per minute and had the fourth-best rebound rate among shooting guards. His lone negative was a fairly high foul rate.

The most interesting nugget lies in his 82games.com numbers, however. Sefolosha did well defending shooting guards, holding them to a 13.2 PER, but was amazing against small forwards -- just a 10.7 mark. He's had similar differentials his entire Thunder career, leading one to wonder if he'd be more effective playing small forward full-time. Obviously that won't happen in Oklahoma City, but it's food for thought if he ever changes teams.

The other reason to chew on that idea is because offensively, well, he's not good. The Thunder were a shocking 20.2 points per 100 possessions worse with Sefolosha on the floor, even though nearly all his minutes were played with Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook on the court. The issue here is that Sefolosha magnifies weaknesses already present up and down the starting five -- he's not a good shooter, he's a sloppy ball handler and he doesn't move well without the ball.

With a different team or a different role it wouldn't be such a problem; in a backcourt with Russell Westbrook, it's fairly glaring. Sefolosha was dead last among shooting guards in both scoring (7.8 points per 40 minutes) and usage rate; he shot 27.5 percent on 3s; and he didn't make up for lack of quantity with quality, as even his career-high TS% barely beat the league average for the position.


KEVIN DURANT, SF
 Projection: 29.3 pts, 7.7 reb, 2.9 ast per 40 min; 24.74 PER
| Player card

• Tall, long-armed scoring prodigy with unblockable release. Deadly in transition.
• Great foul shooter. Lacks strength. Struggles to get open against physical D.
• Good handle but must improve passing. Length an asset on defense and boards.

It's really amazing that a player could lead the league in scoring while being so terrible at getting open, and one shudders to think what Durant might accomplish if he ever gets good at it. While Durant won another scoring title last season, his usage rate declined -- partly because teams realized that physical defense off the ball makes it a real challenge for the wiry Durant to receive the ball.

Once he catches it, though, you're pretty much cooked. Durant isn't just a volume scorer, he's efficient too, with a scintillating 58.9 TS%. In particular, Durant scores virtually every time when he can push the ball up in transition -- there's just no way to stop a fast 6-10 guy who can shoot, handle and finish once he has a head of steam. Partly as a result, Durant shot a ridiculous 77.2 percent at the rim, the second-best mark in the league among players with at least 100 attempts (see Tayshaun Prince comment).

He also hit over 40 percent from all three ranges between the rim and the 3-point line, and had one of the best free throw rates at his position at 0.44 per field goal attempt. His TS% may rise, as he had an off season on 3s last season, hitting 35 percent.

The one weakness for Durant is his court vision. He was only 55th among the league's 67 small forwards in assist rate; improving in that area might deflect some of the attention he's now given and make him even more effective.

Defensively, Durant is pretty solid. He can play a low-risk style and rely on his length to contest shots, meaning he virtually never fouls, and he was eighth among small forwards in defensive rebound rate. While he's rarely asked to guard elite wings, his Synergy and adjusted plus-minus the past two seasons are very solid.


SERGE IBAKA, PF
 Projection: 16.3 pts, 12.0 reb, 0.5 ast per 40 min; 18.28 PER
| Player card

• Athletic, long-armed, shot-blocking ace still learning fundamentals.
• Good outside shooter and excellent finisher at rim. Very good rebounder.
• Very poor instincts for passing and dribbling. Still a work in progress.

Ibaka's rapid evolution into a star continued last season, as he filled out physically, hit 40.5 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet, and led the NBA in blocks per minute (see chart) ... and yet somehow spent two-thirds of the season backing up the thoroughly mediocre Jeff Green.

Most blocks per 40 minutes, 2010-11
Player   Team   Bk/40 min
Serge Ibaka   OKC   3.57
JaVale McGee   Was   3.52
Ekpe Udoh   GS   3.34
Darko Milicic   Min   3.32
Larry Sanders   Mil   3.30
Min. 500 minutes
Green's trade allowed for Ibaka's long-overdue promotion to the starting five, where he seems likely to be a fixture for the next decade despite his raw offensive game. While Ibaka is very good at midrange catch-and-shoot situations and will finish dunks at the rim (he shot 73.6 percent in the basket area), anything that involves creating on his own or reading a defense casts a harsh light on his inexperience. He has 32 total assists in his two-year NBA career, and his pathetic 2.8 assist rate in 2010-11 was the worst among power forwards and the second-worst in the entire league (see Robin Lopez comment). His rawness also explains why he's not an offensive threat from the post, and why he averaged a modest 14.6 points per 40 minutes last season.

Additionally, some of the more subtle aspects of defense remain lost on Ibaka -- he's a great athlete and plays hard, but will get caught out of position or overpursue plays. Dirk Nowitzki's immolation of Ibaka in Game 1 of the Western Conference finals was the most prominent example, but as with all aspects of his game the fundamentals are still coming around. So despite his shot-blocking and rebounding, opposing big men could score on him -- according to 82games.com, he allowed a 17.1 PER to opposing power forwards, and 21.6 to opposing centers.

Ibaka is a very good rebounder, however, and getting better as the skinny frame he brought to the league three years ago evolves into something sturdier. Given that he's only 22, had virtually no high-level game experience when he arrived, and is already among the top third of players at his position, an All-Star Game seems possible in his future.


KENDRICK PERKINS, C
 Projection: 9.6 pts, 12.1 reb, 1.4 ast per 40 min; 10.04 PER
| Player card

• Tough-as-nails post defender who likes physical play. Very strong.
• Plodding low-post game. Lacks elevation and takes forever to gather and go up.
• Sets bone-jarring screens but prone to offensive fouls. Loses cool with refs.

Perkins played on a still-mending knee for the second half of the season, and his numbers bore the brunt of his willingness to play through pain. His scoring rate dropped to a measly 9.4 per 40 minutes, and his always-high turnover rate went up even higher to an indefensible 23.0, the second-worst mark in basketball last season (see chart).

Worst Turnover Rate, 2010-11
Player   Team   TO Rate
Joel Przybilla   Por-Cha   29.6
Kendrick Perkins   Bos-OKC   23.0
Omer Asik   Chi   21.3
Nikola Pekovic   Min   21.1
Joey Dorsey   Tor   20.1
Min. 500 minutes
Perkins' post-up efforts in the playoffs were near comic given his missing explosiveness. Never the most graceful of interior players, he was so floor-bound that his normally high-percentage short-range shooting became a much shakier proposition.

Fundamentally, one way Perkins could improve is by learning to go up off one foot. Any time he gets a rebound or close-in catch he brings the ball down, stops to gather himself, and then goes up off two feet in a power jump. This gives defenders plenty of time to react and catch up, and the ball often gets either knocked away before he can elevate or blocked by a recovering big man.

Otherwise, the Thunder are mainly depending on his knee continuing to recuperate. Even on one leg, his defensive numbers after the trade were very solid, so there's little doubt he can provide the bulldog post defender they needed. The only question is whether he can recover enough of his preinjury offensive game to remain a viable starter.



KEY RESERVES

JAMES HARDEN, G
 Projection: 19.7 pts, 5.1 reb, 3.4 ast per 40 min; 16.75 PER
| Player card

• Skilled left-hander who excels at pick-and-roll game. Draws lots of fouls.
• Left-dominant. Sees court well but turnover-prone. Good set shooter from 3.
• Improving defender who rebounds well. Good hands, but fouls too much.

Despite all the other talent on the OKC roster, at times you feel like Harden is the only guy on the team who actually knows how to play offense. Westbrook and Ibaka dominate solely on sheer athleticism, and while Durant is a scoring savant it's painful watching him try to get open or create for others. Harden, while less overwhelming talentwise, is much easier to appreciate -- a poor man's Manu Ginobili who generates offense for both himself and others off of actual basketball plays.

Harden's biggest skill is his ability to draw fouls on his drives, nearly all of which are on pick-and-rolls on the left side of the court. He ranked second among shooting guards in free throw attempts per field goal attempt, shot 84.3 percent at the line and had one of the highest 3-point rates at his position. So pay no mind to that low shooting percentage; Harden was sixth among shooting guards in TS% thanks to the third-best secondary percentage at his position. He likely will get better, too -- despite a good-looking stroke he made only 34.5 percent of his 3s in 2010-11.

Harden's post-trade numbers last season are particularly promising. After Jeff Green was shipped out and Harden became the third option, the Thunder guard averaged better than 22 points per 40 minutes and nearly five free throw attempts per game.

At just 22, he appears to be a rising star. One bugaboo left is his foul rate; while Harden's activity results in a high rate of steals, only five shooting guards fouled more frequently -- making it harder for him to play big minutes. Most notably, his wholly unnecessary sixth foul in Game 4 of the conference finals was the catalyst in the Thunder's shocking fourth-quarter collapse.


NICK COLLISON, PF
 Projection: 9.4 pts, 8.7 reb, 1.6 ast per 40 min; 11.60 PER
| Player card

• Plus-minus superstar who is among game's most underrated frontcourt defenders.
• Excels at taking charges, helping guards. B-level athlete. Undersized for the 5.
• Decent midrange shooter but rarely shoots. Will crash offensive boards.

Collison's plus-minus numbers defy explanation -- the list of the top players in adjusted plus-minus over the past few years is essentially a bunch of superstars and Nick Collison. According to this site, using the more advanced "regularized" adjusted plus-minus, Collison was fourth in the NBA last season at plus-5.0 points per 100 possession; of the top dozen players, he was the only one who hasn't been to at least one All-Star Game. He was 13th in 2010, so it's no fluke. In fact, according to basketballvalue.com over the two-year period, his plus-8.11 raw adjusted plus-minus ranks fifth in the league.

That doesn't make his game wartless. For one, his high foul rate makes it difficult to play him extended minutes. Moreover, Collison's offensive productivity took a worrying turn south last season. He scored only 8.6 points per 40 minutes, and while he at least contributed a high shooting percentage, his rates of rebounds and blocks also declined.

But he's still an ace defender, especially in help situations. In particular, Collison has become a master at taking charges over the past two seasons. While he's a bit of a tweener between 4 and 5, he makes up for it with preparation and good quickness for his size, and as a result is one of the most effective defenders in the game.


ERIC MAYNOR, PG
 Projection: 11.9 pts, 4.0 reb, 7.9 ast per 40 min; 12.48 PER
| Player card

• Steady PG with pass-first mindset. Good handle and size but B-grade athlete.
• Average outside shot, and struggles to get to rim. Must improve floater.
• Decent position defender. Has thin frame but moves well and competes.

Maynor certainly has the résumé to play the point: He was 10th in pure point rating and eighth in assist rate last season, with a special knack for throwing lobs. Unfortunately, he's going to be a career backup unless he starts scoring more effectively. Maynor averaged a meek 11.6 points per 40 minutes, and did it with one of the worst true shooting percentages at his position.

Maynor wasn't awful in any one category, but he struggled to generate shots at the rim because of his lack of explosiveness. He has tried to compensate by shooting floaters but didn't shoot them particularly well, and he doesn't draw fouls. He needs to either improve his 3-point shot or juice up his in-the-paint game to be a real offensive force. He'll stay in the league for a dozen years because of his steadiness at the point, but he might not ever be a starter.


NAZR MOHAMMED, C
 Projection: 14.9 pts, 11.2 reb, 0.8 ast per 40 min; 14.72 PER
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• Clever big man with knack for below-rim rebounding and short-range scoring.
• Mediocre mobility, limited leaping ability. Struggles in one-on-one defense.
• Ugly behind-head jumper with 12-foot range. Never passes. Bad hands.

Probably the best player in history with a first name ending in "zr," Mohammed is a sneakily effective scorer thanks to his offensive rebounding acumen. He ranked eighth among centers in offensive rebound rate, helping him score 16.7 points per 40 minutes -- big numbers for a center. He'd average even more if he could catch everything that came his way, but once a game a pass will fall harmlessly off his mitts and out of bounds. Off the catch, his mindset is strictly about scoring; Mohammed virtually never passes, as his assist ratio was the second worst among centers and the third worst in all of basketball.

Mohammed is a solid team defender and will rebound, but he can't be asked to guard good scorers. Even average players turn into stars against him -- opposing centers had a 23.1 PER against Mohammed in Oklahoma City and a 20.7 in Charlotte, according to 82games.com.

Between that and a high foul rate (one every 6.9 minutes), it's tough to give Mohammed extended burn. But few backup centers provide such an offensive boost, helping him retain value into his 30s despite limited athleticism.


DAEQUAN COOK, SG (FREE AGENT -- RESTRICTED)
 Projection: 15.7 pts, 5.0 reb, 1.7 ast per 40 min; 11.92 PER
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• Jump-shooting wing with strong catch-and-shoot game. Elevates well on jumper.
• Quality athlete, but a weak ball handler. Never ever ever goes to the basket.
• Solid, unspectacular defender but a bit undersized for the 3. Not a rebounder.

Cook shot horribly on 2s in his three seasons in Miami, so the Thunder had a novel solution: removing the 2s from his arsenal entirely. This is exactly what Jason Kapono should have done about half a decade ago, and you could see the benefits for Cook -- for the first time in his career, he was a useful rotation player.

Cook did what was asked of him, hitting 42.2 percent of his 3s and providing a much-needed floor-spacing component, but his shot chart was fairly amazing to behold. He took five shots at the rim the entire season. Five. All but nine of his 172 shots were outside 15 feet, and nearly all of those were 3-pointers -- only two players had a higher proportion of their shots from beyond the arc (see James Posey comment), and they were 30-somethings with careers on their last legs, not a 24-year-old.

Cook's catch-and-shoot focus yielded the highest TS% among small forwards and a low turnover rate, and he made enough shots that he averaged a solid 16.0 points per 40 minutes. None of this makes him a star, but it does make him a lot more useful than when he was taking half his shots inside the arc -- and shooting under 40 percent on them -- in Miami.


NATE ROBINSON, PG
 Projection: 16.7 pts, 3.6 reb, 4.7 ast per 40 min; 11.52 PER
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• Flaky, emotional, pint-sized guard with explosive hops. Aggressive scorer.
• Good outside shooter but shot selection an issue. Gets out of control.
• Strength, athleticism partly offset size on D. Loses focus, gambles and fouls.

Robinson really struggled in the Boston half of his season, which explains why the Oklahoma City portion was largely spent at the end of the bench. He only played 30 minutes in four garbage-time appearances for the Thunder and doesn't appear to be in the team's plans.

In 55 games with Boston, Robinson's shot betrayed him. He made only 32.8 percent of his 3s and 36.0 percent of his long 2s, and since he wasn't about to stop shooting -- Robinson had the fourth-worst pure point rating among point guards -- this became a problem. Quietly, he also has stopped drawing fouls. Robinson had the third-worst free throw rate among point guards, partly because more than half his shots were 3s and partly, one fears, because he's lost a step.

Defensively, Robinson is a mess. Only one point guard fouled more frequently, and he didn't offset it with steals; in fact his steal rate was painfully low. Again, one wonders if a loss of quickness is partly to blame; at 5-9, he can't afford to drop off much in that department, which explains why a lot of small guards fade quickly in their late 20s. Robinson is 27 and his chunky build probably isn't helping him any, so the clock is ticking.


COLE ALDRICH, C
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• Long big man who was a step slow on virtually everything as a rookie.
• Offensive skills and finishing instincts a major question mark.
• Needs to improve defensive reactions and reduce fouls. Must add strength.

Aldrich played only 142 minutes, but he was bad enough in that time for the "b" word to form on people's lips. It's still too early to proclaim him a bust, but for a three-year college player who was drafted in the lottery, that was one ugly rookie season. Aldrich committed 30 fouls in his limited run, an amazing rate of one per 4.7 minutes, and had as many turnovers as baskets. Subjectively, he seemed overwhelmed by nearly everything, especially on defense.

In 21 D-League games he showed more promise. Aldrich blocked a shot every 11 minutes, cut the fouls to a more reasonable level and did solid work on the boards. Offensively, however, he still has a long way to go. Even against D-League competition he had a high turnover rate and barely averaged double figures.

If he can turn into a young Joel Przybilla clone -- which is certainly possible -- the Thunder won't sweat the lack of offense. But for a 23-year-old lottery pick, he's more of a project than advertised.


BYRON MULLENS, C
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• 7-foot project with decent athleticism and a decent midrange jumper.
• Few other basketball skills. Needs to improve strength and get more reps.

Mullens played 85 NBA minutes all season, 29 of which came in a meaningless season-ender against Milwaukee, and his results were no better than his limited run a season earlier.

In 14 D-League games, however, he showed considerable improvement from the season before. Mullens showed some of the scoring ability that made him a first-round draft pick, averaging better than a point every two minutes while shooting 53.1 percent. His rebounding and shot-blocking were average at best, but the 22-year-old has shown he may yet become an effective pick-and-pop big man.


ROYAL IVEY, PG
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• Defensive-minded combo guard with good lateral movement and intensity.
• Decent midrange shooter but struggles from distance.
• Below-average ball handler and decision-maker. A stopgap-only point guard.

Ivey played only 25 games for the Thunder and didn't dramatically alter his career prospects with his performance. Essentially, he was about what they expected -- a useful fifth guard because of his defense and the fact that he can make a 17-footer, but one who is utterly unsuited for any duty beyond that because of his grave offensive limitations.
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MIKE CONLEY, PG
 Projection: 16.5 pts, 3.3 reb, 7.9 ast per 40 min; 17.17 PER
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• Low-key lefty point guard with great straight-line speed. Good spot-up shooter.
• Undersized. Mediocre one-on-one defender but gets hands on the ball a lot.
• Improved right hand. Straight-line driver to rim; needs more moves, variety.

It wasn't quite a breakout year, but Conley finally established himself as a solid starter. He ran the team more confidently, improved his right hand, got his hands on the ball more and generally was more involved at both ends, leading to career bests in PER and in his assist and scoring rates.

Conley still struggles with his in-between game. He took nearly three shots a game between 3 and 15 feet but made only 33.8 percent of them; that was a huge drag on his field goal percentage. Despite his size, he shot 60.3 percent at the rim, and his marks from the perimeter (41.0 percent on long 2s, career 38.0 percent on 3s) are very solid.

However, he needs to either shoot more 3s or draw more fouls. Conley shot 3s unusually rarely for such a good shooter, and he tends to avoid contact on his drives. As a result, he was only 56th among point guards in secondary percentage.

Defensively, Conley struggles in one-on-one coverage, especially against bigger guards, but, off the ball, he's very good at getting deflections and creating havoc. He was seventh among point guards in steals per minute, and he did it without overt gambling -- one of several reasons the Griz led the NBA in forcing turnovers.


TONY ALLEN, SG
 Projection: 16.1 pts, 5.3 reb, 2.8 ast per 40 min; 15.94 PER
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• League's best perimeter defender. Smothering, handsy approach can yield fouls.
• Athletic; can get to rim and make plays. Poor ball handler prone to turnovers.
• Awful shooter with penchant for blowing layups. Disastrous decision-maker.

Zach Randolph is the Grizzlies' best player, but it was Allen who defined their season. His relentless defensive energy turned around what had been one of the league's most listless defensive squads a year earlier, and he proved surprisingly effective offensively despite often appearing on the brink of disaster.

Allen is simply the best perimeter defender in the game. He led all shooting guards in steals per minute and was second in blocks per minute, combining an in-your-face approach to one-on-one defense with a sixth sense for helping teammates. At times, he seemed to defend all five players by himself, most notably on one play in a regular-season game against the Thunder when he got two deflections outside the 3-point line, then raced back to reject a stunned Russell Westbrook at the rim.

The numbers back this up. According to Synergy, Allen was the most effective wing defender in the league and the third best overall; according to 82games.com, the Grizzlies gave up 5.7 fewer points per 100 possessions with Allen on the court. The cost of his aggression, however, is a sky-high foul rate. Allen had the third-highest rate among shooting guards at one every 9.3 minutes, so fouls took him off the court at times.

Offensively, Allen is a train wreck waiting to happen, but he's so athletic and relentless that he's still effective. Allen has a high dribble and makes terrible decisions, plus he misses a phenomenal number of layups. He's also a terrible outside shooter with a hitch in his delivery, which is why he had the second-worst secondary percentage at his position. However, he gets to the basket so much that he shot 51 percent.

Alas, he might not shoot as well this coming year. Allen is one of the Fluke Rule players for 2011-12 (see Lamar Odom comment), so we can expect his numbers to decline this coming season.


RUDY GAY, SF
 Projection: 20.0 pts, 6.0 reb, 2.6 ast per 40 min; 17.43 PER
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• Athletic, long wing with unblockable rainbow jump shot.
• Tools to be great defender. Effort improved considerably in 2010-11.
• Needs to improve passing and draw more fouls. Too reliant on midrange J.

Statistically, Gay's season wasn't all that different from the previous three, but move in for a closer look. Before a shoulder injury prematurely ended his season, he was finally starting to get it. Gay's assists jumped to 2.8 per 40 minutes from his formerly pathetic numbers in the 1s, and although he still relies too much on simply outjumping defenders to get away a midrange jumper, he shot a career-best 47.1 percent from the floor.

The big change, however, was at the defensive end. Gay has always had the ability to excel but often sleepwalked at this end; last season, his focus was much better and allowed his talent to shine. Gay finished among the top 10 small forwards in blocks and steals per minute, and he did it with the 13th-lowest foul rate at his position. Gay also ranked in the top quarter of small forwards in Synergy's stats and permitted just a 12.6 opponent PER; Tony Allen aided that latter number very little, if you're curious, as the two were in the same starting lineup for only a handful of games.

To become an All-Star, the next step for Gay is to work more 3s and free throws into his scoring. His secondary percentage of 7.8 was only 48th best among small forwards; he's a good shooter, too, so taking more 3s (of which he made 39.6 percent last season) and earning more freebies would pad his numbers considerably.


ZACH RANDOLPH, PF
 Projection: 20.4 pts, 12.1 reb, 2.0 ast per 40 min; 20.75 PER
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• Ace low-post scorer with wide base, great hands and lefty rainbow J to 20 feet.
• Improved passer but still looks shot-first. Excels at rebounding own misses.
• Excellent rebounder but subpar help defender. Character still a question mark.

Randolph passed another phase in his increasing maturity by showing strong improvement as a passer. Formerly a black hole in the post, he constantly hit cutters in Memphis and ranked just above the average for power forwards in assist rate.

Randolph's other stats jump off the page. He shot 50 percent as the go-to guy on an otherwise very average offensive team, floating in lefty rainbows when he wasn't overpowering opponents closer to the rim.

The most amazing part was his rebound rate, a career-high 20.1. Despite spending so much time with his back to the basket, Randolph's phenomenal 14.2 offensive rebound rate was second among all power forwards; his overall rate was third. He is the best in the league at rebounding his own miss, with an almost supernatural instinct for where the carom will come.

I don't think people understand how unusual this was. The last player to have a usage rate as high as Randolph's and an offensive rebound rate as high was Moses Malone in 1987-88. Shawn Kemp had three seasons in the early '90s that very nearly matched those levels, and nobody since has come close. The only four players in post-merger history to match what Randolph did last season, or even come reasonably close to it, were Kemp, Malone, Charles Barkley and Hakeem Olajuwon.

Defensively, Randolph's effort is subpar. He owns the glass but rarely helps teammates at the rim; he also appears to avoid fouling at all costs, having the third-lowest foul rate among power forwards. He doesn't move particularly well defending the pick-and-roll, either, although his size is useful for guarding the block.

Randolph signed a four-year, $71 million extension toward the end of the season that amounts to a giant dice roll on his staying out of trouble. Randolph is 30, but his floor-bound post game shouldn't suffer much from the ravages of age; Memphis just has to hope that age continues to leave him wiser off the court.


MARC GASOL, C (FREE AGENT -- RESTRICTED)
 Projection: 14.4 pts, 9.1 reb, 3.1 ast per 40 min; 16.54 PER
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• Skilled, unselfish center who can score from left block with hook or baseline J.
• Average defender and rebounder. Gained weight; conditioning an issue.
• Good foul shooter but average midrange J on floor. C athlete; plays below rim.

You can't take your eyes off Gasol because of the unintentional comedy -- the pre-tip stretching routine where he looks like a weekend hack at the Y, the awkward fist bumping and assorted winking and nodding, the free throw routine where he stares down and slaps the ball into the floor a few times before shooting ... it's endless.

What was less amusing was his notable weight gain from the previous season; that and an early-season ankle sprain conspired to taper his production a bit from a breakout 2009-10 campaign. Although he still had a solid campaign, Gasol's rebounding and shooting numbers suffered.

Gasol has a tendency to pass up shots, and although his pass-first instincts make him a good high-post distributor, one wishes he would call his own number more. On the block, he has a running skyhook and a turnaround to the left baseline, but he will pass at the first hint of a double.

Despite his girth, Gasol is a pretty solid defensive player. He knows where to be, takes care of the boards and is more nimble than he looks. If he keeps gaining weight, however, this is going to change rather quickly. Gasol was flabby as a younger player but got into great shape in 2009-10; the worry is that he'll sign a big contract before the season, then start packing on the pounds.




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O.J. MAYO, SG
 Projection: 18.5 pts, 3.6 reb, 3.6 ast per 40 min; 14.22 PER
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• Scoring wing with accurate jumper. Good off curls. More scorer than shooter.
• Good ball handler but lacks burst. Average passer. Has strength to finish at rim.
• Average at best defensively. Struggles against size, doesn't always play hard.

Mayo had a rough year that included a drug suspension, a benching and an in-flight butt-kicking from teammate Tony Allen. Mayo's shooting numbers also continued their puzzling downward trajectory, as he set career lows in shooting from the field, on 3s and at the line. He landed a mere 58th out of 66 shooting guards in TS%, a disastrous standing for a player whose shooting ability is his main differentiating talent.

Mayo, surprisingly, didn't shoot 3s particularly often, ranking 32nd in 3-point attempts per minute despite playing for a team that desperately needed a steady perimeter threat. He didn't shoot well on long 2s either (37.8 percent), although he is very good coming off left-side curls going to his right. One suspects his shooting numbers will right themselves this season.

Mayo fans sometimes talk him up as a point guard, but frankly, I don't see it. He's a good ball handler but has trouble beating 2s off the dribble, let alone 1s, and he doesn't have much in the way of court vision. He could succeed at playing the point only as a caretaker and spot-up shooter, the way the Lakers use their point guards.

Defensively, Mayo doesn't always play hard and lacks size, but he picked up his energy toward the end of the season and proved useful against Oklahoma City's Russell Westbrook in the playoffs. On the other hand, his regular-season production was pretty awful -- opposing shooting guards posted a 19.6 PER against him, and Synergy ranked Mayo near the bottom of the shooting guard heap.


SHANE BATTIER, SF (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
  Projection: 9.5 pts, 6.1 reb, 3.1 ast per 40 min; 11.47 PER
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• Heady defender who takes advantage of length, rarely makes mistakes.
• Good corner 3-point shooter but slow, low release. Good at post entry.<
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Stoney Mason

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2955 on: November 28, 2011, 12:16:41 AM »
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The NBA regular season would run through April 26 and require teams to play at least one set of back-to-back-to-back games if a new labor deal is ratified in time to start on Christmas.

The league posted an outline of what the schedule would look like on its Twitter pages Sunday. The plan is a 66-game regular season, ending about 10 days later than usual. The last possible day of the NBA finals would be June 26, two weeks later than the championship series ended last season.

Teams would play 48 games within their conference and 18 nonconference games. Teams will not visit every NBA city.

Teams will play about two more games per month, but no team would play on three straight nights more than three times.

Back-to-backs might also be played during the second round of the postseason.

Owners and union officials reached agreement to end the 149-day lockout on Saturday following a marathon bargaining session. Players must still approve the deal, and once they do, training camps and free agency will open simultaneously on Dec. 9.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2956 on: November 28, 2011, 12:37:33 AM »
Hmmm.  Before, I was thinking that the shorter season would help the older teams that wanted to avoid wear and tear, like the Mavs, Celtics, etc.  Might be the opposite, sounds like.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2957 on: November 28, 2011, 06:54:00 AM »
The injury spread will be wider than ever, I think. Guys that stayed in shape/younger players should do well with the short season. Older guys/guys who didn't stay in shape will suffer and get hurt.

Still, savvy coaches like Carlisle and Rivers know how to rest their vets on back-to-backs. They'll just have to crack the whip a bit.

I'm finding myself rooting for the Mavs to repeat, unusually. Pity their free agency status is so wild though. Makes it tough to get a read on them. So many teams will be wanting Chandler now - imagine him on the Heat!

Oh yeah, i just realized that Blake Griffin is in line for 5% more money from the Clips if they re-sign him than before this CBA. There are some legit winners in the new system.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2958 on: November 28, 2011, 05:22:41 PM »
Nene to heat, plz
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2959 on: November 28, 2011, 07:21:42 PM »
Thunder and anyone playing the Heat.  I'll root for the Hawks in their first round, six game playoff loss too.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2960 on: November 28, 2011, 07:30:28 PM »
Rooting for Mavs repeat and the Heat to lose again.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2961 on: November 28, 2011, 07:42:45 PM »
Rooting for Mavs repeat and the Heat to lose again.

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Getting harder to root for the Celtics as that window slams shut. They'll still be very good but unlikely to be great again, even if Rondo continues to improve.

It's impossible to root for the Heat - even if you were a bandwagon fan last year, losing the way they did has got to place some deep deep doubts in the minds of all their fans.

And the Lakers...? What a pack of punk bitches. Every fan of basketball should be united in their despite of that team.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2962 on: November 28, 2011, 08:24:52 PM »
For all the talk about LeBron embracing the Heat's image as the bad guys, all it consisted of were a few quotes to the media and some of the least convincing facial expressions since Kobe's "stick my jaw out to show you I'm determined" a few years ago.  The Lakers, on the other hand, acted like complete bullies on their way out against the Mavs.

I'd like to see the Mavs or Spurs make a final run, or for the Thunder or Grizzlies to step it up.  Not as psyched for the East, though there will probably be a bunch of competitive series there too.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2963 on: November 28, 2011, 08:29:49 PM »
I'm ready, my body is ready.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2964 on: November 28, 2011, 09:06:12 PM »
I understand where it came from too? Could there possibly be any confusion on the part of any viewer? Anyone out there who thought it was an attempt at a legit foul that went wrong? No, didn't think so. Everyone understands that it was out of frustration - that's one half of why it's so bad. The other half is that it could have broken Barea's neck.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2965 on: November 28, 2011, 09:53:44 PM »
Definitely rooting for the Heat but then I'm allowed to since I'm a Florida dude.  :P

They still have major flaws just like I said they did last year but with a few adjustments they should in theory be the team to beat again. I can't see a Celtics team one year older winning the title. And I think Chicago's flaws kinda got exposed.

Not sure about the West. Should be the year the Thunder step up but I don't know if that team will ever be tough enough.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2966 on: November 28, 2011, 10:14:20 PM »
Perkins on 2008 form and a more experienced, bulked-up Ibaka should be plenty of toughness really...especially if they end up going against the Heat in the finals. Who the Heat add at PG and Center is really key to the whole season I think. They can't stand still.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2967 on: November 29, 2011, 12:38:55 AM »
I was going to buy a new pair of Lebrons to celebrate the season but they freaking cost $175.  Shouldn't he be trying to make his products more mainstream after the damage to his image?   ???

Can someone please post Laker's Hollinger profiles?

Btw, there's a nice clip of Bill Walton's career on NBA.com?  http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/11/28/20111117_walton_broll.nba/

He really was pretty awesome in his prime.  It's too bad that most younger fans think of him as an underserving hall of famer. 

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2968 on: November 29, 2011, 01:02:05 AM »
Have you read 'The Breaks of the Game', Smooth? That book really turned me around on Walton, who previously I only knew from his broadcasts. I watched a ton of Blazers clips on youtube after that. He was a beast, no question. That he never got to play healthy for very long is almost as sad as Len Bias' tragically short career (that guy would have been LeBron before LeBron basically...with a jump shot).

I think twitter may be his definitive medium of expression though - he is frequently hilarious.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2969 on: November 29, 2011, 03:27:51 AM »

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2970 on: November 29, 2011, 05:59:34 AM »
oh yeah, my other big rooting interest this year is obviously gonna be the Clips. Griffin will be in the playoffs for the 1st time, bank on it.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2971 on: November 29, 2011, 06:02:47 AM »
haha, when Durant crosses you over with those Plastic Man arms, he leaves you like 5 meters away
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2972 on: November 30, 2011, 12:09:40 AM »
Have you read 'The Breaks of the Game', Smooth? That book really turned me around on Walton, who previously I only knew from his broadcasts. I watched a ton of Blazers clips on youtube after that. He was a beast, no question. That he never got to play healthy for very long is almost as sad as Len Bias' tragically short career (that guy would have been LeBron before LeBron basically...with a jump shot).

No, I haven't read the book but I've heard it's really good.  What era does it cover up to?

NBA channel actually had two full playoffs games of young Walton yesterday.  I guess yesterday was NBA's unofficial Bill Walton Day. 

He really was a monster.  Dude was basically a longer, more athletic version of Duncan with better court vision and more range.  If he had continue being healthy, at the worse, he would have been the 2nd best center of his era behind Kareem and most likely a top 5 all-time center. 

I also saw a ridiculous move from Dr. J that I've never seen before.  He basically posted up on Walton, turned around and just dunked in his face.  Given the size difference, it's insane that he would even try something like that. 

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I think twitter may be his definitive medium of expression though - he is frequently hilarious.

Bill is indeed hilarious.  He used to call Clippers' games and he would always yell "throw it down, big man" whenever a big guy goes up soft.  Also, he would insist every year that MJ, and then Kobe should be the most improved player every year.  Some players used to be mad at Bill for being overly critical but I think he just tells like it is. 

 

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2973 on: November 30, 2011, 12:13:26 AM »
Also, you guys with NBA channel should check out a new show called "my generation".  It's really cool.  It's basically a bunch of stars from the 90's and early 2000's talking about the greatest players that they ever faced. 

It's pretty cool how they break down why a certain player was so great.  Like how Olajuwon was basically unstoppable because he had almost no tendecies from either side and he would make even the tough shots that the D intended him to take.   

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2974 on: November 30, 2011, 01:08:00 AM »
Breaks of the Game is just one season - the one after their big 'Blazermania' breakout year, and unfortunately, the year it all fell to shit for them. It looks back and forward quite a bit though.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2975 on: November 30, 2011, 10:47:21 AM »
I think twitter may be his definitive medium of expression though - he is frequently hilarious.
Are you thinking of the parody one that twitter banned?

The real one barely tweets: http://twitter.com/#!/BillWalton

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2976 on: November 30, 2011, 06:36:45 PM »
For me, the only small downside is that we'll miss out on NBA stars rampaging through foreign leagues.  Some more games like this and I wouldn't have to listen to any Euro partisans explain how international competitions proved that the NBA isn't the gold standard any more, or how Euro-style basketball relies on a different skillset.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/11/deron-williams-jersey-retired-after-just-15-games-in-turkey/1

Hey, Cedric Ceballos and Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf scored 50 in the NBA!
Alternative: 99% of Turkey is located in Asia.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2977 on: November 30, 2011, 11:03:23 PM »
Tony Delk also scored 50.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2978 on: November 30, 2011, 11:10:44 PM »

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2979 on: November 30, 2011, 11:36:51 PM »
Tony Delk also scored 50.

I think that game may have sucked all the ballin out of Delk. He vanished after that.


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« Reply #2980 on: November 30, 2011, 11:52:36 PM »
This one is pretty neat too: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199802100GSW.html

Jesus, I remember that game.  Partly because the Wizards (first season post-name change) were coming off their first playoff season in forever with a young, promising roster, but also because that was my 16th birthday.  Check Rod Strickland's line that game; dude went nuts.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2981 on: December 01, 2011, 12:05:24 AM »
Yeah I remember seeing that Willie Burton one on NBA Action, I knew that would be it

:gloomy @ that Tracy Murray one, fucking look at that Warriors roster :gloomy
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« Reply #2983 on: December 01, 2011, 12:19:48 AM »
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2985 on: December 01, 2011, 12:46:53 AM »
I wonder where Tyson is thinking of going. People seem to want to play with Blake. Kings have salary space and want him, but I'm not sure he'd want to go there after experiencing what he did in Dallas.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2986 on: December 01, 2011, 01:07:53 AM »
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7300682/tyson-chandler-dallas-mavericks-says-expects-a-new-team-come-training-camp

And there goes any hope of Dallas repeating.

Not if they get Dwight Howard. 

Chandler may just be playing the game to get the Mavs to commit. Cuban can go either way - bizarre overspending (if you're a back-up center) or seemingly-prudent parsimony (if you're a soon-to-be 2-time MVP point guard). Who knows which way he'll go. ESPN indicates that he wants to be a player next year in free agency (Howard, D-Will, CP3 etc) but I'm pretty sure all those guys will be locked up by somebody before then anyway.

The more reasonable replacement would be Nene. Haywood and Nene could be a pretty solid rotation.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2988 on: December 01, 2011, 07:47:27 PM »
So now Paul's agent has asked for a trade to the Knicks. 2 days ago Paul was saying the usual 'I don't care about any of that stuff. My heart is in New Orleans' :lol

Why do they even bother asking players what they think these days? It's only the occasional weirdo like Ron Artest that will ever slip from the pre-prepared speeches penned by the agents and handlers.
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« Reply #2989 on: December 01, 2011, 08:54:29 PM »
So now Paul's agent has asked for a trade to the Knicks. 2 days ago Paul was saying the usual 'I don't care about any of that stuff. My heart is in New Orleans' :lol

Why do they even bother asking players what they think these days? It's only the occasional weirdo like Ron Artest that will ever slip from the pre-prepared speeches penned by the agents and handlers.
It would be cool if he came here, but isn't getting a big man way more important for the Knicks?

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2990 on: December 01, 2011, 09:12:51 PM »
I think Billups has another good season in him, yeah. Chander, Howard, Gasol, Nene are probably more important targets for them next season. But for longer than that, Paul is going to add more wins.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2991 on: December 01, 2011, 09:55:25 PM »
Hollinger on why CP is unlikely to go to the Knicks

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Consider Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony just ships passing -- there's little chance they play together. We've been hearing since the infamous wedding toast of last summer that Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and Chris Paul want to play together for the Knicks. We're two-thirds of the way there. Melo and Amare are already Knicks, and CP can become a free agent after the season and sign with New York. Looks like a slam dunk, right?
Not so fast.
It appears the only realistic way that Paul can end up in Gotham would be if he is willing to take a massive pay cut. He would likely make about 60 percent as much in New York as he could make in New Orleans and, even in the best-case scenario, forego tens of millions of dollars compared to playing in other markets.
Let's quickly follow the salary-cap logic involved in Paul moving to the Knicks as a free agent:
• The current salary cap is at $58 million with the players taking a 51.1 percent share of BRI.
• Next year, the players' share goes down to 50 percent, likely offsetting any increase in BRI itself. In other words, one can reasonably expect next season's salary cap to be right around $58 million.
• The Knicks have $39.5 million committed just to Stoudemire and Anthony. (And before you ask, they cannot renegotiate their contracts downward.)
• Even if the Knicks got rid of everybody else and just had those two on the roster, the 10 "cap holds" for minimum salary players would occupy another $5 million in salary cap space.
• That means the Knicks have an absolute minimum of $44.5 million committed.
• Which, in turn, leaves the Knicks with an absolutely best-case scenario of a $13.5 million starting salary for Paul.
Paul will make $16.4 million this year and would be opting out of $17.7 million in 2011-12. Should he opt out next summer, a new five-year contract with the Hornets would start at $17.177 million and pay him as much as $22.3 million by the end -- a total of $98.8 million. In comparison, over the life of the maximum allowable four-year deal with the Knicks, he could get only $57.6 million.
So if Paul really wants to go to New York, he can go -- as long as he's willing to give up, at a minimum, forty million dollars to do it. (The same, incidentally, applies for Deron Williams or Dwight Howard.)
In fact, even this scenario seems optimistic as far as Paul's New York earning potential; it would basically involve New York giving away Iman Shumpert, Toney Douglas, and Landry Fields, not to mention whatever players the Knicks sign this offseason or draft next June. The Knicks would have only the "mini" mid-level and a bunch of minimum contracts to use to surround Paul, Anthony and Amare -- they'd have vastly less, in other words, than even the Heat had to work with last summer.
Should the Knicks keep Shumpert and Douglas around, New York would have just $11 million for Paul's starting salary, and the total value of the contract would be half what he could get by staying a Hornet; even compared with leaving the Hornets and signing with another team for the full maximum, he'd be leaving about $30 million on the table.
Around this point, Knicks fans will point out that a free-agent signing isn't the only way Paul can end up in New York. He could also try to force a trade, and that wouldn't be as financially damaging. Paul's potential earnings improve somewhat if he wants to do a sign-and-trade or an extend-and-trade, although they still lag behind what he can make by staying.
Alas, there's one little problem with that: The Knicks would need something worth trading. Sorry, New Yorkers, the Hornets aren't giving away their superstar for Chauncey Billups' expiring contract and Douglas. They can't even trade a draft pick, as their 2012, 2014 and 2016 first-round picks are all owed to other teams and the league forbids teams from trading picks in consecutive years. In other words, if New Orleans decides to pre-emptively trade CP to avoid losing him as a free agent, there's a zero percent chance of his landing on the Knicks to join Amare and Melo.
Moreover, if the Hornets are convinced CP is leaving, it's hard to imagine them passively waiting around for Paul to ditch them in the summer. Especially after that whole LeBron thing two summers ago.
This is why I argued the Knicks overpaid in the Anthony trade with Denver rather than being patient and signing him outright over the summer -- they have no assets left to make a deal for Paul, and yet from a financial standpoint, trading for Paul is the most realistic route to bringing him on board.
Or rather, they do have one asset if it's important enough to them: They could trade Anthony for Paul.
No matter how you slice it, it seems somewhere between highly unlikely and virtually impossible for Paul to end up with Amare and Melo on the Knicks. He can't force a trade there, he'd take a financial bath signing there as a free agent, and the Hornets aren't going to sit idly by and lose him for nothing. The CP-to-New York talk to match Miami's Big 3 makes for fun conversation for this winter, but the Knicks lost hope of this happening the day they made the Anthony trade.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2992 on: December 01, 2011, 10:54:23 PM »
so it's LOL@KNICKS business as usual
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« Reply #2993 on: December 01, 2011, 11:02:19 PM »
I think Paul can still veto any trade pretty much by declaring that he won't re-up. So if he remains staunch until next year and becomes a FA, he can in theory take a 50% paycut to go to NYC and hope the marketing bucks offset the difference (which they should). But how many superstars actually do that? Even then, he'd have to wait another 1 or 2 years before the Knicks had enough pieces to really compete.
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2994 on: December 02, 2011, 01:28:10 AM »
If he does then as Hollinger sez they'll be in worse shape than the Heat. At least LeBron plays some defense, and they had Haslem and Chalmers

Knicks will have to renounce everyone to get Paul at even a modest contract for his stardom. And then they'd only have that shitty new exemption ($3mill/3years). No Landry Fields, no Shumpert, no Turiaf, no Toney Douglas.

Who are they going to beat?
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« Reply #2995 on: December 02, 2011, 01:32:30 AM »
If he does then as Hollinger sez they'll be in worse shape than the Heat. At least LeBron plays some defense, and they had Haslem and Chalmers

Knicks will have to renounce everyone to get Paul at even a modest contract for his stardom. And then they'd only have that shitty new exemption ($3mill/3years). No Landry Fields, no Shumpert, no Turiaf, no Toney Douglas.

Who are they going to beat?

No-one of consequence
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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2996 on: December 02, 2011, 01:32:24 PM »
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« Reply #2997 on: December 02, 2011, 03:25:31 PM »


He learned to that while watching passes meant for him being intercepted by Russell Westbrook.

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Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
« Reply #2998 on: December 03, 2011, 10:55:49 PM »
:lol dagger

Can't wait to see how Brooks deals with Fraudbrook this year
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« Reply #2999 on: December 03, 2011, 11:10:20 PM »