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TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #6300 on:** June 17, 2012, 05:29:11 PM »

I been schooled

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6301 on:** June 17, 2012, 06:23:13 PM »

Should be a fun game tonight. Lots of pressure on different people.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #6302 on:** June 17, 2012, 06:33:10 PM »

Got the Thunder stealing it tonight

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6303 on:** June 17, 2012, 07:48:49 PM »

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there is being in the room with the game on, and watching the game

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6304 on:** June 17, 2012, 07:50:27 PM »

Expect a few more minutes for Collison tonight, as Brooks inches towards the inevitable benching of Perkins. Probably won't do that 'til they lose the lead though.

Otherwise I have no idea what to expect and I'm pumped!

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #6305 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:00:31 PM »

The Crown jewels on display:

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #6306 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:01:04 PM »

Playin' a Vita?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6307 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:04:02 PM »

LeBron needs a crotch headband

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6308 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:09:50 PM »

27, 8 and 9 so far in the Finals and Westbrook is getting shit for a few bad shots

Brooks talked again about the poor starts for OKC, but it looks like he's still starting Perkins. That one game where Perkins and Ibaka shot lights out against the Spurs is killing them now, 'cause it induced false confidence. I can see how it would be tough to try to bench a player like Perkins but come on, the plus-minus is startling. They can't keep ice skating uphill like this and hope to win.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6309 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:13:20 PM »

Wade-Bosh pick and roll - that could work!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6310 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:15:12 PM »

Heat strolling into the paint at will, OKC need faster rotations

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #6311 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:17:10 PM »

I see your PT but it's usually bad for team morale to mess around with the rotation this late in the game.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6312 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:21:07 PM »

oh hi there Jeff Van Gundy

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6313 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:21:38 PM »

you know what's bad for team morale? LOSING

you know what's good for team morale? WINNING

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6314 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:22:48 PM »

Mike Miller is basically paraplegic, sad to watch. Amazing that he's still getting burn

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #6315 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:24:35 PM »

I don't think the players should be affected by rotation changes but they seem to bitch a lot about it.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6316 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:27:43 PM »

what is the point of going big if they can't keep the Heat out of the paint? Now they have Fisher in with Perkins for worst of both worlds.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6317 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:28:15 PM »

Plastic Man dunk there, wow

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6318 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:31:10 PM »

Sefolosha, Collison in together at last...but with Fisher. Let's see if OKC can make a run here.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6319 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:39:38 PM »

10 makes in the paint for the Heat in the 1Q, tell me why Perkins is so important to morale again

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6320 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:40:01 PM »

Sefolosha will never actually convert a fast-break dunk ever again, will he

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6321 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:41:01 PM »

Miami just looks like the better team

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6322 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:44:56 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 08:41:01 PM

Miami just looks like the better team

OKC've won or tied all but 3 quarters of the series so far - Miami has only led in the 1Qs.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6323 on:** June 17, 2012, 08:57:28 PM »

Nice to see a tied game so early, hope it stays close all the way.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6324 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:11:18 PM »

LeBron does the Euro two-step; must have been taking lessons from Wade

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6325 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:13:25 PM »

ugh, Westbrook stops dead to do the gun-holster instead of getting back with time left for the Heat to get the last shot

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #6326 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:14:17 PM »

Heat should be up by more than 1. Wade has his legs tonight but has completely lost his touch outside of 1ft away from the rim.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6327 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:21:41 PM »

He looks better but not great to me. LeBron is tip-top though

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6328 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:23:10 PM »

Hard to believe any team shooting this much from the paint isn't romping

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #6329 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:23:35 PM »

Both Wade and Bosh have missed a bunch of easy 3-5 ft floaters in this series.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6330 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:23:50 PM »

1 assist for Westbrook lol

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #6331 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:25:26 PM »

I haven't scrutinized Westbrook's game that much but he doesn't seem very good at finding people once he starts driving.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6332 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:31:46 PM »

He's good at finding himself

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6333 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:41:40 PM »

Personally I think the westbrook isn't a pg criticism is overrated. He is what he is. A shooting guard playing ostensibly the point for that team. It's odd to criticize a player for not being something we know he isn't.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6334 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:45:56 PM »

So that's a foul, but LeBron grappling Durant's entire arm at the end of game 2 wasn't?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6335 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM »

Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6336 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:48:45 PM »

Great reaction shot of Spoelstra shitting his pants there

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6337 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:52:04 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM

Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.

There is definitely a problem when the game is analyzed solely through the prism of 5 textbook basketball
positions.

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201206/muthuball-mit-sloan-sports-analytics-conference

Not that this is solely the answer. But the idea is correct. There are more than 5 positions.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6338 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:53:22 PM »

yep, that's why Ibaka is not an elite defensive player.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6339 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:54:23 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 09:52:04 PM

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.

There is definitely a problem when the game is analyzed solely through the prism of 5 textbook basketball
positions.

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201206/muthuball-mit-sloan-sports-analytics-conference

Not that this is solely the answer. But the idea is correct. There are more than 5 positions.

I did see that, and it's been on my mind. But it made more sense to me in theory than the actual chart did. I don't know how it is supposed to help you build a winning team.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6340 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:57:31 PM »

Yeah that part didn't really interest me as it seems more like a money making gimmick. I just like the idea of discussing players without necessarily always comparing them to the alpha prototype at their position.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6341 on:** June 17, 2012, 09:58:23 PM »

what the fuck Fisher, that's TERRIBLE

etiolate · « **Reply #6342 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:05:02 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM

Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.

Dearth of shooting guardings have to do with guys who should be playing SG being pushed into PG role due to size, ball handling or speed. Some of them are PGs like Tebow is a QB. I'd include Westbrook in that circle, along with Tyreke Evans. I do feel that at times Westbrook holds the Thunder back.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #6343 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:06:30 PM »

crazy good game so far

LOL @ Fisher trying to be a shot blocker

Is Wade the best cherry picker in the league?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6344 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:06:58 PM »

Vince Carter

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6345 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:08:15 PM »

Yeah, Wade just isn't running back. He's not anywhere near his best.

Fantastic game though, still have no idea what'll happen (other than LeBron will either do the most amazing things ever, or get killed for not doing so)

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #6346 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:09:52 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM

Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.

SG was never really that important a position until Jordan came along. The lack of pass first PGs is more glaring, imo. It's really odd to see so many starting PGs who don't even keep their heads up when they dribble.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6347 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:13:07 PM »

Well, there is no point comparing the current situation to your platonic ideal of what the game should or needs to be....PGs these days are required to penetrate and score more than they are required to dish. The removal of the hand-check rule means PG now is just a different position than it was then.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6348 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:13:41 PM »

Man Durant is a scorer. That dude is so offensively skilled it's crazy.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6349 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:13:59 PM »

no fear from the Thunder. This series is the BOMB

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6350 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:22:56 PM »

Wade playing like shit. $:-\$

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6351 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:29:31 PM »

Doesn't matter, Heat have this

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6352 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:31:41 PM »

Huge wade and 1 and that Lebron one also.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6353 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:35:36 PM »

why is LeBron backing up to halfcourt again

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6354 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:37:17 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:35:36 PM

why is LeBron backing up to halfcourt again

That has to be a spolestra thing. He should call plays and force them to initiate the offense. Not just let them freelance and iso. What else is a coach there for.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6355 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:37:48 PM »

LeBron is just romping into the paint, has been all game. Perkins has no deterrent value whatsoever against him. Ibaka can threaten to block his shot at least.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6356 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:38:22 PM »

Whoa, Sefolosha picked a hell of a time to finish a break!

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #6357 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:39:36 PM »

Wade has made so many critical turnovers.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #6358 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:39:53 PM »

Who is more scared, Spoelstra or PD

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #6359 on:** June 17, 2012, 10:45:45 PM »

I'm not scared. OKC's offense looks so stagnant outside of the bursts they pull off. There's almost no movement and instead it's just iso

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