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Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9720 on:** May 02, 2013, 11:49:05 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2013, 11:45:36 PM

Either he's ready to play or not. I haven't understand any of this to be honest. If he's not going to play then they should have shut him down for the playoffs. What magical moment are they waiting for him where it suddenly makes sense to play or not.

Well, opinions are divided. The team's doctors have cleared him to play, months ago. As far as the organization is concerned, he can play....but he disagrees. Because he is their franchise, they are giving him slack. If this was Royce White, he'd have been sent to the D-League or cut by now. So it seems to be some sort of game of chicken going on. The organization could save Rose some face by shutting him down, but they are putting the onus on him to say he won't. So I think there is some political bullshit going on that we just don't know about - maybe he's salty about Asik, Korver etc being sent away or them not signing LeBron or something

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9721 on:** May 02, 2013, 11:53:25 PM »

I like Derrick Rose but I think he has handled this situation awfully. He seems to want to come back at 100% being the exact same player he was before the injury without any sort of building back up to it. Well if that is the case then shut it down and wait for the pre-season. Or communicate what is going on.

It's not his obligation to do so of course especially if the franchise isn't putting pressure on him to do so but this whole thing is just weird.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9722 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:02:40 AM »

admittedly, these are ridiculous, arbitrary percentages but for the sake of argument:

let's assume he is at 90% of optimum right now

let's assume NO PLAYER in the playoffs is at 100% right now

let's assume that after playing hard for Thibs all of next season, he would be at about 90% again by the time the next playoffs started

So what does he gain by sitting out right now?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9723 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:10:07 AM »

Didn't Adrian Peterson come back faster than this, playing a tougher position, and nearly shatter the Holy Grail of football records? I like and respect Rose but he should probably be more honest about this. In general I agree with Brand Knew: he's the franchise, this is his career, and I wouldn't risk that just to get bounced by the Heat either. Nor would I be doing stuff like this though:

It just looks bad, PR wise. I'm not gonna go all Skip Bayless and question his heart, everyone knows he's a competitor. But he could have handled this much better.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9724 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:12:14 AM »

STEPH

Mandark · « **Reply #9725 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:18:14 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2013, 12:10:07 AM

Didn't Adrian Peterson come back faster than this, playing a tougher position, and nearly shatter the Holy Grail of football records?

This was actually brought up by a columnist, and a sports physician explained that vertical jumps put waaaaay more stress on the knee than running and lateral movement. So while he does seem to be goldbricking, you can't hold him to the Peterson standard (which no human other than Peterson himself has met, AFAIK).

Also, giving him a pass on what he does based on what "everyone knows" is precisely the Skip Bayless MO.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9726 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:18:45 AM »

How scared are Denver of Steph now

So scared

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9727 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:19:51 AM »

Bogut beasting

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9728 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:29:40 AM »

Mark Jackson is hilarious on the mic, he could make a Christian of me

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9729 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:32:28 AM »

Nuggets have one quarter to try to figure this out.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9730 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:33:22 AM »

Ain't happening

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9731 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:35:00 AM »

When Curry catches fire like that, the air just goes out of the Nuggets. They get this 'this is unfair' look

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9732 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:44:10 AM »

lol Draymond Green hitting threes, it's over

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9733 on:** May 03, 2013, 12:47:55 AM »

here's the crazy thing about Curry - he doesn't just extend the defense to the 3pt line, he forces it to extend to 28 FEET. The spacing it generates for everyone else is ridiculous, and even bad shooters can capitalize

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9734 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:00:03 AM »

I'm rooting for the nuggets just so we can have a 7 game series.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #9735 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:01:59 AM »

this game

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #9736 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:03:56 AM »

bogut with 20 rebounds, nice.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9737 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:08:38 AM »

weird just to see Bogut still on the floor.

Still think the Nuggets have this but the D from the Nuggets has been excellent. Not sure where Ty Lawson disappeared to though

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #9738 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:10:04 AM »

you mean the warriors

and wow, curry is sucking right now

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #9739 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:11:41 AM »

fuck this hero ball going on

sloppy as fuck end of the game

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9740 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:13:10 AM »

jesus christ they need to be careful with the ball

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #9741 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:14:36 AM »

that is some fucking embarrassing inbounding on display

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9742 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:18:27 AM »

turning into a crazy comedy of errors

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #9743 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:19:06 AM »

welp that was a shitty end of the game

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9744 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:19:29 AM »

Good series. Enjoyed it

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9745 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:27:35 AM »

well, Pop and crew will likely take them to school but it will be a learning experience and probably a fun one to watch. Some interesting matchups there for sure, with Bogut and Duncan, Steph and Parker...

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #9746 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:34:04 AM »

last game's fourth quarter:

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9747 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:34:46 AM »

Warriors haven't won in San Antonio since 1997.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #9748 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:43:47 AM »

BASED DRAYMOND

etiolate · « **Reply #9749 on:** May 03, 2013, 02:01:40 AM »

grats pilonv

Curious why Bogut wasn't the one throwing the ball in at the end. Seemed Warriors players couldn't see over the bigger Nuggets players to get the ball out.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #9750 on:** May 03, 2013, 02:13:34 AM »

Happy for Bogut

Dude has game and passion

It must have been hard for him to only play 44 combined games the last two years

pilonv1 · « **Reply #9751 on:** May 03, 2013, 02:17:33 AM »

Quote from: etiolate on May 03, 2013, 02:01:40 AM

Curious why Bogut wasn't the one throwing the ball in at the end. Seemed Warriors players couldn't see over the bigger Nuggets players to get the ball out.

Probably in case he ended up with the ball since his FT% is around 53.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #9752 on:** May 03, 2013, 01:39:35 PM »

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9753 on:** May 03, 2013, 04:21:17 PM »

4 close out games tonight.

Beezy · « **Reply #9754 on:** May 03, 2013, 09:56:35 PM »

etiolate · « **Reply #9755 on:** May 03, 2013, 10:13:23 PM »

Rooting for Cisco in the Rockets series.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9756 on:** May 03, 2013, 10:38:27 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on May 03, 2013, 09:56:35 PM

Yeah they almost gave it away there in the 4th but on to the second round.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9757 on:** May 03, 2013, 11:22:48 PM »

Clippers starting to lose it big time.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9758 on:** May 03, 2013, 11:24:23 PM »

Well, that is surely - finally - the end of the KG/Pierce Era in Boston. Thanks for the memories

On the plus side we totally destroyed everyone's confidence in JR Smith and Melo's willingness to play team ball

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9759 on:** May 03, 2013, 11:26:14 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 11:24:23 PM

Well, that is surely - finally - the end of the KG/Pierce Era in Boston. Thanks for the memories

On the plus side we totally destroyed everyone's confidence in JR Smith and Melo's willingness to play team ball

I've never really understood the Knicks desire to pair those two together. You are so flirting with danger every second. Which is the same problem they had together with the Nuggets.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9760 on:** May 04, 2013, 12:12:31 AM »

Zone defense giving Grizz problems at the moment.

edit: Then suddenly grizz hit 2 3's.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9761 on:** May 04, 2013, 12:15:27 AM »

Looks like OKC's got this on in-hand finally.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9762 on:** May 04, 2013, 12:18:54 AM »

I wonder if the clippers make a play for Phil Jackson?

Or maybe Phil is serious about this wanna be GM thing.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9763 on:** May 04, 2013, 12:23:05 AM »

sigh. Joey Crawford fucking up the ending of a game.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #9764 on:** May 04, 2013, 12:34:46 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 12:23:05 AM

sigh. Joey Crawford fucking up the ending of a game.

just another Friday then

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #9765 on:** May 04, 2013, 12:46:00 AM »

Thunder/Grizzlies

can't wait for that. griz played so well against the clips, I'm interested to see how they play against a thunder team without one of their best players. Griz/Spurs conference finals perhaps?

dat john hollinger

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9766 on:** May 04, 2013, 12:46:31 AM »

I don't "get" what Jackson is doing in Detroit. Advising..what? Why not go coach the Clippers.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9767 on:** May 04, 2013, 02:02:47 AM »

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/05/03/derrick-rose-hit-the-clubs-after-game-6-loss/
...

Mandark · « **Reply #9768 on:** May 04, 2013, 02:20:10 AM »

Remember when DRose got the MVP so voters could show their moral disapproval of LeBron? lulz

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #9769 on:** May 04, 2013, 01:17:07 PM »

"Being healthy, heath-wise," he said. "Where if I do take the whole year off, if I don't play anymore, I know I'm going to come back a better player but I guess my body would be healed more but who knows?"
~Derrick Rose

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9770 on:** May 04, 2013, 10:14:09 PM »

Thibodeaux such a good coach. No Rose, No Hinrich. No Deng.

No problem, still leading in the 4th.

Noah is playing like a Beast.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9771 on:** May 04, 2013, 10:58:19 PM »

Good thing Noah still has his muscle memory eh

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #9772 on:** May 04, 2013, 10:58:58 PM »

How much would Thibs be worth to the Lakers. About 15 mill a year?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #9773 on:** May 04, 2013, 11:01:10 PM »

I'm not sure if Derrick Rose is legit still hurt... but I think at this point he could probably play, right? And with the rest of his team as banged up as it is, his not playing kind of makes him look like a little bitch, right? Or am I missing something here?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9774 on:** May 04, 2013, 11:04:54 PM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 04, 2013, 11:01:10 PM

Or am I missing something here?

Nope. It's weird. He says he's not mentally ready but nobody will elaborate on what exactly that specifically entails.

Honestly I hope he doesn't come back against the Heat. If he doesn't I will just chalk it up to the idea that he probably shouldn't have played all season. Which I think most people would have been fine with going in. (Although why he's still activated I have no idea). If he does play against the Heat then I kinda lose a lot of respect for him. It's like I'm only willing to play if I can command the spotlight.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #9775 on:** May 04, 2013, 11:06:23 PM »

Is he signed long term with the Bulls? Could this be part of some sort of contract ploy, or maybe if he is signed he's looking to get traded?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9776 on:** May 04, 2013, 11:10:03 PM »

It's really all speculation. Some people think he's mad that the Bulls didn't aggressively pick up any free agents so why should go out there not at 100% percent when the bulls front office isn't trying 100%. This speculation is fueled by some tweets his brother made but its still pure speculation. There is some truth to the idea that the bulls probably wrote this season off early from the management side but Thibs is such a good coach he's going to get the best out of whatever he has.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9777 on:** May 04, 2013, 11:17:49 PM »

Plus if he comes back he could destabilize the team's chemistry; they've gotten by with him all season/playoffs, it might take some time to get him back into to the speed of things.

Still when I look at banged up guys like Deng and Hinrich giving their all, trying to win...I can't help but lose respect for Rose. Even if I agree that him risking his career for one playoff series isn't worth it.

Mandark · « **Reply #9778 on:** May 04, 2013, 11:24:24 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 11:10:03 PM

There is some truth to the idea that the bulls probably wrote this season off early from the management side but Thibs is such a good coach he's going to get the best out of whatever he has.

I think this is the big factor. Neither Bulls management or DRose would say this out loud, but they're not really competing for a championship this year. It's just the team is overachieving enough that they made it to the second round.

Rose might be at the point where he could physically come back, but he's being super cautious, which isn't insane after a knee injury. Gilbert Arenas went from being a top-10 offensive player to being out of the league by rushing back (I'm glad Simmons cited this, so it's not just homers like me making the comparison) and the Bulls care a lot more about the next 4-10 years for Rose than this year. I don't have a big problem with his decision but if Dwight had done this? Or LeBron immediately post-Decision? Skip Bayless would have gone from six to midnight.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9779 on:** May 04, 2013, 11:29:47 PM »

Here is my take. I think the whole problem has been one of communication rather than Derrick Rose being willfully disrespectful or anything. I feel like there are right words to be said to defuse this situation from both his side and the bulls side but nobody is saying them for whatever reason.

And note this all based on the idea that we take Rose on his word. And that Rose has a reputation as a good guy and fierce competitor and not a knucklehead or anything.

Rose is 24. He is recovering from a major injury. The truth is there have been players who have come back from injuries too soon only to really damage themselves. And people need to knock it off with this Adrian Peterson stuff. Everybody is different. Because one athlete recovered from injury in one manner does not mean another athlete will do the same. That being thrown out is getting tiresome.

I don't know what Rose is feeling with his body. He says its mental but maybe its something related physically that he's just not articulate enough to put into words that is stopping him from getting there mentally.

The reality is even with Rose the Bulls are extremely unlikely to beat the heat. So if he says he not ready then why toss him out there in this environment when he's the entire franchise. Just wait.

That's the devil's advocate approach although I think there is at least some truth there. Personally I would have just shut him down for the playoffs. I don't understand if there is some riff between the bulls and him on this issue or that they didn't understand that the general public would not understand why a player who is activated on the roster isn't playing.

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