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Your Stalker · « **Reply #11640 on:** January 28, 2014, 04:47:08 PM »

he's up to 240 now?

etiolate · « **Reply #11641 on:** January 28, 2014, 09:40:34 PM »

http://www.nba.com/kings/high-res-esc-renderings

Rendering of new Kings arena.

benjipwns · « **Reply #11642 on:** January 29, 2014, 01:53:35 AM »

Number one pick had a breakout game:

pilonv1 · « **Reply #11643 on:** January 29, 2014, 06:11:41 AM »

Fucking Wizards

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11644 on:** January 29, 2014, 04:49:04 PM »

Thunder versus Heat tonight. 7:00 PM EST.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11645 on:** January 29, 2014, 04:56:43 PM »

Excite. Going to the bar to watch it with some friends. One friend is wearing her Perkins celtics jersey

Your Stalker · « **Reply #11646 on:** January 29, 2014, 05:15:25 PM »

they've been replaying the 2012 finals on nbatv today

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11647 on:** January 29, 2014, 05:52:32 PM »

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/food-for-men/chris-bosh-cooking-interview

You know it just goes to show how much winning colors everything and how phony it can all be. Chris Bosh is the same dude he always was. But now that's he winning everybody is sort of embracing his quirky nature. When it should have been that way all along.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11648 on:** January 29, 2014, 07:21:02 PM »

Miami off to a hot start. 15-2.

edit 18-2.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11649 on:** January 29, 2014, 07:26:04 PM »

Bosh

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11650 on:** January 29, 2014, 07:47:13 PM »

Heat apparently don't want to cover fisher.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11651 on:** January 29, 2014, 07:56:49 PM »

You can tell both teams are actually up for the game and want it which is nice for a regular season game.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11652 on:** January 29, 2014, 08:09:55 PM »

Sweet ass move by Durant there.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11653 on:** January 29, 2014, 08:12:58 PM »

Thunder up by 5 at half. 55-50.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11654 on:** January 29, 2014, 08:28:09 PM »

At this point I'm never surprised when Miami gives up nearly a 20 point lead

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11655 on:** January 29, 2014, 08:34:49 PM »

Thunder up by a dozen. Miami 3 point defense is awful.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11656 on:** January 29, 2014, 08:51:57 PM »

After that 22 to 4 start Miami has looked flat out awful tonight.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11657 on:** January 29, 2014, 09:00:32 PM »

Lebron and Durant both heating up.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11658 on:** January 29, 2014, 09:02:58 PM »

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11659 on:** January 29, 2014, 09:04:50 PM »

Some nice Lebron and Durant one on one going back and forth at each other.

Thunder up 16 going into the 4th quarter.

Miami has been alright offensively but their transition defense and 3 point defense has doomed them.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11660 on:** January 29, 2014, 09:13:06 PM »

Well if you want a game to cement the idea that Durant is just as good as Lebron, this would be that kind of game.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #11661 on:** January 29, 2014, 09:14:45 PM »

Heat is not gonna win with this group. The media always give the reigning champs too much benefit of the doubt.

Right now, the Heat look like the Lakers when they last attempted a 3-peat. Everyone thinks they'll just turn it up in the playoffs but it's not gonna happen.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11662 on:** January 29, 2014, 09:19:41 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 29, 2014, 09:14:45 PM

Heat is not gonna win with this group. The media always give the reigning champs too much benefit of the doubt.

Right now, the Heat look like the Lakers when they last attempted a 3-peat. Everyone thinks they'll just turn it up in the playoffs but it's not gonna happen.

Thunder are definitely making them look like a flawed team. And every flaw is being exploited. They also look slow compared to the Thunder.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #11663 on:** January 29, 2014, 09:21:00 PM »

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #11664 on:** January 29, 2014, 09:32:35 PM »

It's easy to chalk the Heat's performance this season to lack of motivation during the regular season but there are legit reasons for their recent losses. The big three played well tonight and the Heat still got destroyed. Is it really reasonable to think that Chalmers, Battier, Beasley, etc. will suddenly become significantly more productive in the playoffs?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11665 on:** January 30, 2014, 01:35:18 AM »

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11666 on:** January 30, 2014, 10:25:39 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 29, 2014, 09:32:35 PM

It's easy to chalk the Heat's performance this season to lack of motivation during the regular season but there are legit reasons for their recent losses. The big three played well tonight and the Heat still got destroyed. Is it really reasonable to think that Chalmers, Battier, Beasley, etc. will suddenly become significantly more productive in the playoffs?

I wouldn't put it past them, honestly. Battier was pretty much an offensive liability most of the regular season and part of the playoffs, yet he stepped up in the Finals. Chalmers had a great playoffs last year too.

I'm not concerned with the Heat quite yet. They have shown many cases in the last three years of malaise and lazy play during the regular season and even the playoffs. But they've always gotten it done when they need to. I'll be worried when its Game 5/6/7 versus Indiana, or Game 4/5/6 against the Thunder if they get to the Finals this year. And if they don't get to the Finals this year? It's not that disappointing considering they've been in the last three Finals.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11667 on:** January 30, 2014, 02:59:39 PM »

Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 30, 2014, 10:41:39 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 09:13:06 PM
Well if you want a game to cement the idea that Durant is just as good as Lebron, this would be that kind of game.

Like that was seriously in doubt.

Well according you all that matters is rings so Durant is complete and utter shit until he wins one.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #11668 on:** January 30, 2014, 03:02:06 PM »

Darko>Durant

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11669 on:** January 30, 2014, 05:22:33 PM »

Quote

How hot are the collective seats of Chris Grant and Mike Brown? And who do you think the Cavs are most likely to target at the deadline?
Chad Ford (1:05 PM)

Virtually every GM in the league believes that Grant will be gone this summer if things don't get turned around this season. He doesn't have much time. The thinking is that there's no way Dan Gilbert is going to let him make another lottery pick if that's the direction the Cavs end up heading. Grant's goal (via his owner) is to get this team competitive and into the playoffs. The Deng move was supposed to help. But so far ... nothing. Chemistry is a major issue there and some of that is on Mike Brown. But more of it is on the collection of players in Cleveland at the moment. Something has to happen quick. Kyrie Irving has been telling people privately he wants out. Cleveland can't afford to lose him and LeBron. They know the urgency. I expect them to be major players at the deadline.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49933

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #11670 on:** January 30, 2014, 05:26:04 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2014, 05:22:33 PM

Quote
How hot are the collective seats of Chris Grant and Mike Brown? And who do you think the Cavs are most likely to target at the deadline?
Chad Ford (1:05 PM)

Virtually every GM in the league believes that Grant will be gone this summer if things don't get turned around this season. He doesn't have much time. The thinking is that there's no way Dan Gilbert is going to let him make another lottery pick if that's the direction the Cavs end up heading. Grant's goal (via his owner) is to get this team competitive and into the playoffs. The Deng move was supposed to help. But so far ... nothing. Chemistry is a major issue there and some of that is on Mike Brown. But more of it is on the collection of players in Cleveland at the moment. Something has to happen quick. Kyrie Irving has been telling people privately he wants out. Cleveland can't afford to lose him and LeBron. They know the urgency. I expect them to be major players at the deadline.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49933

The luster of Anthony Bennett's 15 point game is already starting to fade.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11671 on:** January 30, 2014, 05:46:30 PM »

Move Kyrie and Deng to the Knicks. Knicks get rid of yet another pick, JR Smith, Felton, Hardaway, and Metta. Knicks starting five:

1. Irving
2. Shumpert
3. Deng
4. Melo
5. Chandler

I just fixed the knicks

slash not really, but hey that team would be fun

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #11672 on:** January 30, 2014, 08:28:11 PM »

Makes sense for a Kobe fanboy to be stanning KD. KD is playing the quality of basketball that Kobe fans imagined Kobe to have played.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #11673 on:** January 30, 2014, 08:34:10 PM »

Cavs should ship out Irving if they can get something good in return. He's been like the Melo of PGs and is probably never gonna be worth more while he is in Cleveland.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11674 on:** January 30, 2014, 11:31:59 PM »

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11675 on:** January 31, 2014, 12:46:42 AM »

also, the all star rosters are typically bullshit

no Lance, no Lowry, no Dragic, No Cousins

but they put Harden, Paul and Kobe in

Beezy · « **Reply #11676 on:** January 31, 2014, 12:48:35 AM »

THEY PUT JOE FUCKIN JOHNSON IN WHAT THE FUCK

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11677 on:** January 31, 2014, 12:49:35 AM »

And no Anthony Davis despite having a PER of over 26. Only Kareem has had that sort of number and not gotten into the all star game

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #11678 on:** January 31, 2014, 12:56:48 AM »

Kobe basically got the equivalent of a life-time achievement Oscar this year. Everybody knows that he's done and won't ever come close to being all-star level again.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11679 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:14:44 AM »

No Cousins is pretty dumb. As are some of the others. What can you say.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11680 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:19:39 AM »

Kobe played in a grand total of, what, 6 games this season? Oh yeah all-star for sure

On the other hand, you don't really have many strong SGs...but the all-star game just picks general back court and front court players. Load up on fucking PGs, it seems like every team these days has an awesome PG.

After thinking bout it a bit more, West should've been:

1. Curry
2. Lillard
3. Durant
4. Love
5. Aldridge
------
-Dragic
-Cousins
-Davis
-Paul
-Griffin
-Dirk
-Dwight

East should have been:

1. Wall
2. DeRozan
3. Lebron
4. George
5. Hibbert
------
-Lowry
-Lance
-Kyrie
-Bosh
-Melo
-Noah
-Wade

etiolate · « **Reply #11681 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:33:36 AM »

Cousins is a historic snub. There's still at least one injury replacement choice to happen though.

Mandark · « **Reply #11682 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:36:56 AM »

Lowry's a pretty huge snub, but in the West I don't see a lot of obvious outrage. Kobe's the obvious one to leave out (though I have no problem with a fan vote for an exhibition game lineup being a popularity contest), but after that you're dropping Harden, Parker*, Dirk, etc. who have all been playing at a very high level for winning teams.

No matter what adjustments you make, the biggest unfairness is going to be the much lower standards for being an all star in the East.

*Good luck convincing the coaches to vote for a team where San Antonio has no representatives whatsoever, BN.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11683 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:39:06 AM »

I still got Dirk in there!

Mandark · « **Reply #11684 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:45:17 AM »

I know, just listing the more "obvious" guys who would have to be dropped to include the guys who were left off. There isn't a Jamal Magloire in the bunch.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11685 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:48:46 AM »

Do you think that Dragic, Davis, and Cousins should be on the all-star team? I'm actually genuinely curious what you think.

etiolate · « **Reply #11686 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:50:26 AM »

There's really no big man having a better year than Cousins. Not Dirk and especially not Howard. LMA and Love are closest. Stat-wise the only big man to produce at Cousins level and not make the All Star list was Kareem in the year he got injured.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11687 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:53:22 AM »

and davis

Mandark · « **Reply #11688 on:** January 31, 2014, 01:58:45 AM »

Yeah, Davis has a better efficiency rating THIS YEAR. Plus Dwight's a way better defender, and Dirk probably gives a bigger boost to his team's offense. I'd have no problem at all with Cousins making the squad, but this isn't exactly Kissinger getting the Nobel.

etiolate · « **Reply #11689 on:** January 31, 2014, 02:10:55 AM »

Davis and Cousins have flip-flopped in PER throughout the year. Wouldn't be surprise if Cousins would have been ahead at this point had he not been injured. Of course, this is Mandark I'm talking to so it's a waste of my time.

It's a historic snub stat-wise and a joke that the best center in the game is left off.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #11690 on:** January 31, 2014, 02:14:50 AM »

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_leaders.html

Cousins is doing well in PER but not so much in Win Shares and WS/48 mins which are arguably better evaluators of performance. Love, Griffin, Deandre Jordan, Nowitzki, Davis, David Lee, and even Pekovic all post better win shares numbers than Cousins.

So Mandark actually has a legit point.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=313&f=2178&t=8977326

Mandark · « **Reply #11691 on:** January 31, 2014, 02:15:45 AM »

Point is if they're both roughly equivalent stats-wise, snubbing just one of them can't really be "historic."

It's not even much (or at all) worse than Brook Lopez being left off of the East team last year, especially considering Deng was a much weaker candidate that year than Dirk, LMA, etc. are this year.

etiolate · « **Reply #11692 on:** January 31, 2014, 02:18:51 AM »

Cousins has a higher value added and estimated wins added than Dirk, Davis and LMA.

If we're just pulling random stat measurements out of our arse.

Mandark · « **Reply #11693 on:** January 31, 2014, 02:32:31 AM »

Um, VA is explicitly a function of Hollinger's PER and minutes played* and EWA is quite literally just VA divided by 30 (so the rankings for the two stats will be, by definition completely identical). They were designed to represent aggregate value for a season rather than per-minute value, but it's literally just a small modification to PER, and does nothing to change the underlying formula.

Saying someone has a high EWA is just saying "he has a high efficiency rating and played a lot of minutes." Which isn't nothing, but if you already knew both of those things it doesn't really add to the conversation.

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*With a small boost for centers and wing players to reflect scarcity of talent, IIRC.

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pilonv1 · « **Reply #11694 on:** January 31, 2014, 05:16:56 AM »

Quote from: etiolate on January 31, 2014, 02:10:55 AM

It's a historic snub stat-wise and a joke that the best center in the game is left off.

I agree, Bogut should have made it.

etiolate · « **Reply #11695 on:** January 31, 2014, 05:19:43 AM »

This is not the all-goon squad!

benjipwns · « **Reply #11696 on:** January 31, 2014, 06:20:34 PM »

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #11697 on:** January 31, 2014, 11:09:44 PM »

benjipwns · « **Reply #11698 on:** January 31, 2014, 11:19:18 PM »

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #11699 on:** January 31, 2014, 11:47:58 PM »

Dirk’s last three games: 33.3 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 61 FG%, 100 FT%

The fuck.

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