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Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
« Reply #13200 on: July 12, 2014, 06:25:52 PM »
lol

I can't imagine him leaving again, it would fuck up this "coming home" narrative, and what I assume his long term goals are (owning the city, state, and eventually the Cavs organization).

but then again in two years Kobe will be outta LA...
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Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
« Reply #13201 on: July 12, 2014, 06:50:52 PM »
I'm looking at Julius Randle highlights and feeling cautiously optimistic about him.

He's a god damn beast. Great footwork, very strong

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Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
« Reply #13202 on: July 12, 2014, 07:28:48 PM »
Also, it looks like we lost Pau. This team is going to be horrific.

Yup.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pau-gasol-tweets-hes-joining-220357041--nba.html

But hey, at least you'll have a (maybe) healthy Kobe, amirite???

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Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
« Reply #13203 on: July 12, 2014, 07:39:34 PM »
It's sad but I'm going to long for the Smush / Kwame Lakers very soon. :beli

At least Melo isn't a Laker. :rejoice

And the shittier the team goes, the more impetus it gives Jeanie Buss to stage a coup and kick her dipshit brother out of non-voting decision making. :lawd

Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
« Reply #13204 on: July 12, 2014, 07:47:30 PM »
them jews about to body dwight  :whew
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Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
« Reply #13205 on: July 12, 2014, 07:50:55 PM »
Supposedly Love would sign a long-term deal with the Cavs if he got traded there. So shitty  :goty

I don't think AEG is going to put up with the Lakers being bad for a prolonged period of time, especially without Dr. Buss to smooth them over.

At least until they get an NFL team in LA. (:heh)

Them buying out the Buss family would be the best option after Jeanie being dictator imo.

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Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
« Reply #13206 on: July 12, 2014, 08:10:40 PM »
Love strong arming his way out of a small market team? What a selfish thug.
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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13207 on: July 13, 2014, 12:02:14 AM »
Interesting day. If Rose can be anywhere close to what he was the Gasol pickup is really nice. I always wished the Heat had him.

The Haywood thing seems even more absurd a day later. And I don't think Parsons is worth his money either. Whatever I guess.


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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13208 on: July 13, 2014, 12:07:00 AM »
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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13209 on: July 13, 2014, 12:11:28 AM »
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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13210 on: July 13, 2014, 04:25:57 AM »
Ugh... I really grew to like the Wizards during this past season. But Paul Pierce is the one player in the league that I hate. :-\

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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13211 on: July 13, 2014, 04:35:15 AM »
Ugh... I really grew to like the Wizards during this past season. But Paul Pierce is the one player in the league that I hate. :-\


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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13212 on: July 13, 2014, 06:42:14 AM »
Ugh... I really grew to like the Wizards during this past season. But Paul Pierce is the one player in the league that I hate. :-\

What? Why?
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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13213 on: July 13, 2014, 02:22:02 PM »
Could someone explain why the draft system was chosen in american sports? Does it apply in your football too or are you following the European style there? I realise the biggest reason is franchises (probably) but i'd be interested to see why this was thought to be the best system.

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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13214 on: July 13, 2014, 02:58:23 PM »
Because one team using their owner's wealth/influence to bogart all the available talent is not generally a good way to maintain long-term interest in the sport. A league-wide draft, especially one that favors teams on the losing end, helps maintain some balance.
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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13215 on: July 13, 2014, 03:50:05 PM »
Could someone explain why the draft system was chosen in american sports? Does it apply in your football too or are you following the European style there? I realise the biggest reason is franchises (probably) but i'd be interested to see why this was thought to be the best system.

It helps to balance out the league and prevent richer teams/owners from pooling talent nonstop, and helps small market teams; this year the second pick went to a small market team (Milwaukee). In football (NFL) the top picks goes to the worse teams; if your team has the worst record in the league you get the first pick. In NBA they have a lottery, where the worst teams have a better % chance of winning the top picks, but anything can happen. So purposely tanking in the NFL is a surer bet to get the top pick, whereas you could be the worst team in the NBA and still fuck around and get the 5th pick or something.

I selfishly prefer the NFL way, simply because I would have tanked to get a once in a generation talent

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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13217 on: July 13, 2014, 04:23:49 PM »
Damn, that's not a bad team.

Napier
Wade
Deng
Bosh
Birdman

McBob and Granger off the bench.  That'll at least be a 5 seed in the east.
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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13218 on: July 13, 2014, 04:52:43 PM »
How do you guys handle foreign players then? And are college American players compelled to go through the draft?

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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13219 on: July 13, 2014, 04:59:07 PM »
How do you guys handle foreign players then? And are college American players compelled to go through the draft?

Foreign players often enter the draft. Older ones can be signed as free agents. In baseball, a team might buy a foreign player and place him in the "farming" system of AA baseball, before "calling up him" to play in the big leagues.
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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13220 on: July 13, 2014, 05:03:40 PM »
So, the Miami Heat lets say, cant just go raid the Greek league of their talent without going through hoops?

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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13221 on: July 13, 2014, 05:05:32 PM »
A player must declare himself eligible for the draft to enter the NBA. If they go undrafted then they are a free agent and can accept invites from any team.

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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13222 on: July 13, 2014, 06:33:43 PM »
Damn, that's not a bad team.

Napier
Wade
Deng
Bosh
Birdman

McBob and Granger off the bench.  That'll at least be a 5 seed in the east.

I'm very curious to see them play.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat)
« Reply #13223 on: July 13, 2014, 06:35:12 PM »
Rockets will not match the parsons offer to mavericks.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13224 on: July 13, 2014, 06:51:11 PM »
The Tyson Chandler/Chandler Parsons double-team is just gonna be too much Chandler for anyone to handle.
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Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
« Reply #13225 on: July 13, 2014, 07:38:43 PM »
Damn, that's not a bad team.

Napier
Wade
Deng
Bosh
Birdman

McBob and Granger off the bench.  That'll at least be a 5 seed in the east.

There's still a chance that they lose Birdman. I'd put Chicago, Cavs, Toronto, Pacers & Wizards above them right now. And this is pure bias, but I put the Knicks with a competent PG above them also.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13226 on: July 13, 2014, 08:55:25 PM »
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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13227 on: July 13, 2014, 09:14:29 PM »
Well that's that.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13228 on: July 13, 2014, 09:48:48 PM »
It's gonna be:

Chicago
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Cleveland
Washington
Miami
Toronto
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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13229 on: July 13, 2014, 11:25:47 PM »
Yeaaaaah I'm not gonna do this.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13230 on: July 13, 2014, 11:48:21 PM »
Cavs will be #1 seed in the east and reach the finals.
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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13231 on: July 14, 2014, 12:55:29 AM »
At least the Heat are gonna stay competitive. Almost feels like post 2007 in a a way.

Though 2008/2009 had Wade in his absolute prime though. :tocry

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13232 on: July 14, 2014, 01:14:06 AM »
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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13233 on: July 14, 2014, 01:40:09 AM »
It's funny. When the Cavs were looking for a new coach, didn't a lot of coaches turn them down? Bet that wouldn't have happened if they knew they were getting Lebron.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13234 on: July 14, 2014, 03:00:24 AM »
A player must declare himself eligible for the draft to enter the NBA. If they go undrafted then they are a free agent and can accept invites from any team.
I feel this system is going to bite you guys in the ass long term

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13235 on: July 14, 2014, 03:06:11 AM »
What bites the league in the ass is its officiating problems and Stern's Jordan-based approach to promoting the league.

It may be transitioning itself out of that, but who knows. Certain cities have no hope of fielding a competitive team through Free Agency and the draft is the only route they really have. 

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13236 on: July 14, 2014, 04:09:33 AM »
Nobody wants to live in Manchester, but they have a TOP 3 in the world club  :yeshrug

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13237 on: July 14, 2014, 04:17:57 AM »
Having been to both places, I can tell you that Manchester is Paris compared to Sacramento.

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« Reply #13238 on: July 14, 2014, 04:23:56 AM »
et, what specifically is wrong with the rules that govern player movement?  What do you think the NBA's goals should be regarding player movement, and how should it achieve those goals?

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13239 on: July 14, 2014, 04:39:12 AM »
Just to note, a player doesn't have to declare for the Draft. They're automatically entered at some point based on varying circumstances, four years of college play completed, played pro ball somewhere, hit age 22 for "international" players, etc.
I feel this system is going to bite you guys in the ass long term
Define "long term."  Is 64 or 43 years enough?

The Tyson Chandler/Chandler Parsons double-team is just gonna be too much Chandler for anyone to handle.
They need to swing a deal with Denver for Wilson Chandler. And sign Matthew Perry as an assistant coach or something.
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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13240 on: July 14, 2014, 04:45:16 AM »
OH GOLLY IS THIS WHERE MANDARK IS THINKING HE DONE SOMETHING

anyways

Momo- You could have owners with money in smaller markets, but there's extra exposure and thus extra money with certain cities and teams. You can be a top player on a winning team, but you'll struggle to get exposure on the level of a middling team in the major markets. I feel the players understand the food chain. You get more exposure in a city/team the NBA likes to promote. Beyond the contract money, you're making more sponsor money and increasing the value of your brand as a player.

On top of that, more media attention has meant the NBA is more invested in you as a player/team and that means you will get more favoritism from officials in the league. Also, older players that have played at a higher level are more likely to go to winning market because whatever they lose in contract money, again, they gain in exposure. You have to be a really top tier small market team for multiple years in a row to garner attention and counter-act this.

With that many advantages to start with, letting any team go after any new player would take all these problems and likely make them worse. And the states are large, and regional investment matters. If it was just a handful of competitive teams and the rest was fodder, fans would leave and the sport would suffer as it would the sport as a business.

There's just major cultural differences.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13241 on: July 14, 2014, 04:49:11 AM »
It's a sincere question, et.  You talk about the "star system" a lot, but I don't think you've ever explained what you think a healthy NBA contracting system would look like, and I'd be interested to hear it.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13242 on: July 14, 2014, 04:50:11 AM »
It's not a sincere question. It's not actually relevant to what I had said. It tries to reframe the conversation into something else to try to dismiss the person you aim to attack. Your baiting is pretty obvious. You're internet old and your tricks are tired.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13243 on: July 14, 2014, 04:56:52 AM »
Um, okay?

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« Reply #13244 on: July 14, 2014, 05:10:21 AM »
Could someone explain why the draft system was chosen in american sports? Does it apply in your football too or are you following the European style there? I realise the biggest reason is franchises (probably) but i'd be interested to see why this was thought to be the best system.

This is basically it.  US sports are just organized radically differently from European soccer leagues.  Not just the draft, but salary caps, the lack of promotion/relegation, the league acting as a cartel that limits the number of teams, the threat of franchise relocation from city to city (yeah, I know about MK Dons, but still), the presence of high school and college sports as incubators, etc.

A draft wouldn't make sense if you implemented it in the EPL, but it fits in the broader scheme of what the NFL/MLB/NBA/NHL are trying to do.  Interestingly (or not!) the MLS has a draft for American players, but the draft has become less important as more academy-style youth development has been allowed/encouraged.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13245 on: July 14, 2014, 05:28:46 AM »
et, what specifically is wrong with the rules that govern player movement?  What do you think the NBA's goals should be regarding player movement, and how should it achieve those goals?
I think allowing free-er flow of talent will end up making it more interesting to watch anyway

Define "long term."  Is 64 or 43 years enough?
When your population shifts around more and they realize they cant have teams because franchises,

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13246 on: July 14, 2014, 05:30:31 AM »
I think the whole thing is counter-intuitive, especially in the land of freedums to have such a socialist system

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« Reply #13247 on: July 14, 2014, 05:31:19 AM »
I don't know the history of football too well, but just from the current organization I would speculate that it stems from basically local towns and villages creating teams to play other nearby ones. And that spun into the creation of all the different leagues, and within each country and so on.

American sports either because of competition among the sports or distances very quickly went to centralized models around either traveling teams or college sports and the leagues, at least the NBA, formed out of the traveling teams realizing it made more sense to have some home games and play regular opponents. And also copied the colleges setup of leagues.

The later recognition of the cartel system was that you could put together fewer but better teams with more stars on each. So that Rockford, Joliet, Springfield, Peoria, etc. no longer have to struggle to sustain teams that can compete with ones based in Chicago. The league then moved away from that as the cities are arguably less important institutions than the teams are.

The NBA is a late comer to the minor league system, MLB and NHL have used ones for sometime. The dominance of college sports has had a lot to do with that especially in basketball and handegg.

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« Reply #13248 on: July 14, 2014, 05:38:39 AM »
When your population shifts around more and they realize they cant have teams because franchises,
Well, the teams can move too. Many cities in the U.S. have some kind of minor league team in a number of sports, even the 100,000 pop type.

The real hurdle is that you have the powerful major leagues which are a cartel designed to limit the number of teams for various reasons. And then at the other end you have college sports which for many locations ARE their major/middle league sports. So you cut out the "middle class" of teams. And leave the ones that get like 500 fans to show up to some old arena built years ago.

To take Lansing, Michigan as an example, a minor league basketball or handegg team has to compete with the Michigan State University Spartans so they've never taken off. The Lugnuts baseball team took advantage of a general lack of interest in college baseball and has been the only really sustained minor league team in the city. (The stadium really helps probably.)

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« Reply #13249 on: July 14, 2014, 05:45:18 AM »
I'd guess that football and basketball haven't traditionally had minor leagues because the college leagues predated the professional ones, as opposed to hockey and baseball.

That's kinda speculation, of course.

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« Reply #13250 on: July 14, 2014, 05:46:24 AM »
A sort of interesting blog post on the amount of US vs. UK sports teams (with the idea that American leagues are limiting the supply).

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« Reply #13251 on: July 14, 2014, 05:47:21 AM »
Even the minor leagues are tied to franchises. There's not a AAA team that can move up to the majors. They're just farm systems for the major league franchise they are tied to.

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« Reply #13252 on: July 14, 2014, 06:16:32 AM »
That's kinda speculation, of course.
I think it's pretty good speculation. Other theories don't seem as cohesive.

I think one other key which I sorta mentioned but not clearly, is that in the U.S. it appears you have stronger competition between the four "major" sports (plus increasingly soccer) and when players reach a certain level they generally have to pick. If you just had everybody playing football I'd imagine there'd be much more of a support system for lower level teams all over outside of college.

NBA teams aren't just competing with each other for talent but also the NFL, MLB, etc. With foreign players they're competing with soccer to an extent, Hollinger was always fond of the theory that the lack of international point guards is due to soccer with the idea that usually a Tony Parker level athlete heads that path instead of staying with basketball.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13253 on: July 14, 2014, 07:16:01 AM »
It's funny. When the Cavs were looking for a new coach, didn't a lot of coaches turn them down? Bet that wouldn't have happened if they knew they were getting Lebron.

The biggest loser here is John Calipari, who turned down about 80mil/multi year contract and some GM powers.
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« Reply #13254 on: July 14, 2014, 07:17:39 AM »
That's plausible.  You can also flip it and say it's a glut of foreign big men, rather than a dearth of PG's.

I figure that someone has to start getting high-level coaching by a certain age (late teens?) to have a shot at playing at the pro level, and to get into the foreign academies or an NCAA scholarship they have to demonstrate at least some elite (for their cohort) skills.  For a 6'1" player, unless they have insane athleticism, they're going to have to show some serious proficiency in ballhandling, shooting, etc.  But big men?  Height is their elite skill.

So you get big men who started playing the game late, or who weren't really committed, while guards who wind up in the NBA tend to be guys who have played basketball fanatically since they were nine.  Which is sort of the reverse of the discussion in the soccer thread: in this case the US has much more of a street sport culture with basketball than Europe, at least so far.

Another fun link: An old New Yorker story about Yao Ming and Chinese basketball.  The part that stuck with me:

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After our conversation, I wandered around the basketball courts of Shanghai’s No. 54 Middle School, where the Xuhui Sports School holds some of its practices. I watched a group of young girls performing basketball drills, then introduced myself to the coach, a tall woman named Tao Yanping.

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The Chinese national team is notorious for its gruelling practice schedule—twice a day, six days a week. Fear shapes the routine; coaches know that they will be blamed if the squad loses, so they log countless hours and resist innovation. Before games, the Chinese men’s team warms up by conducting the same rudimentary ballhandling drills that I watched the third-grade girls perform in Shanghai.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13255 on: July 14, 2014, 07:17:51 AM »
Etiolet: so you'd prefer if NBA teams could franchise players, like the NFL?
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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13256 on: July 14, 2014, 07:27:03 AM »
But big men?  Height is their elite skill.

So you get big men who started playing the game late, or who weren't really committed,
This is why the obscure foreign big man will always have a role as a draft and stash player. Resulting in a lot of the marginal U.S. talent to slip through out of the draft.

Which I remember Dick Vitale bitching about one year as if it was some kind of war crime for teams to bypass PROVEN FOUR YEAR SENIORS for guys with no vowels in their names.
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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13257 on: July 14, 2014, 07:40:04 AM »
Vitale:  "It is OUTRAGEOUS that my meal ticket is being marginalized by foreigners and disrespectful kids going straight to the pros!"

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13258 on: July 14, 2014, 07:58:37 AM »
I would prefer the NBA would give more even coverage. My point is that salary rules are neutered when players gain a lot via market value that doesn't count in the salary or cap situations. If a talented player felt they. Would get TV time in their drafted market then things could really change. This is the most mainstream coverage kevin love has gotten  and it has nothing to do with his current play. In fact he is not even playing right now. Its all due to the fact he may go play for a team the NBA and media may cover. If you can't figure out how that nullifies the good of salary rules than go fuck yourself.

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Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
« Reply #13259 on: July 14, 2014, 08:21:22 AM »
Kevin Love has received quite a lot of media coverage, before the Lakers/Cavs rumors. I barely watch NBA shit and I know that.

It shouldn't be surprising why the league focuses on stars though. You're not going to get people to care about a Bucks game unless they have a player you can sell. If Parker becomes a great player than I'd expect the team's current situation to improve. Likewise if the Kings were good, or had a star player (like they did in the early 00s) their situation would be better. I just don't see the point in expecting the league to treat teams "evenly" when no sport does that.

A better argument would be to give teams more power to help deter players from leaving, ie a franchise tag.
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