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ToxicAdam · « **Reply #15900 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:11:47 PM »

History doesn't work that way. No one takes away the Rockets titles because MJ was gone and no one takes away Buffalo's four straight SB appearances because the AFC was garbage.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15901 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:17:21 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 26, 2015, 11:08:17 PM

As long as Kyrie is healthy, the Cavs have a shot to win.

If they do win, you would have to say those mid-season trades were some of the most impactful ever? Not a big NBA historian, but I can't recall any off hand that gave swung a teams fortunes do dramatically.

Pau Gasol trade was pretty big as I remember but yeah it was the trade and Lebron being able to play like Lebron that turned things around.

I'm really curious how all this impacts Love. He keeps saying he wants to be back but every single leak says he wants to leave. I can't really get a grasp on whether he wants to contribute to this situation or be the man somewhere else.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #15902 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:24:10 PM »

From what I understand, it makes more sense for Love to come back next season and then really cash in in 2016 as teams get more money to spend on FAs. So, that probably explains the "I want to be back" but not really stuff.

benjipwns · « **Reply #15903 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:24:22 PM »

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LeBron James goes back to the Finals for the fifth consecutive time, the first player to do that since Bill Russell in 1966.

benjipwns · « **Reply #15904 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:26:24 PM »

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2015, 11:24:10 PM

From what I understand, it makes more sense for Love to come back next season and then really cash in in 2016 as teams get more money to spend on FAs. So, that probably explains the "I want to be back" but not really stuff.

Yeah, unless he definitely wants out because fuck Cleveland, he should punt and not opt-out. Especially if the Cavaliers are a contender and he can be a key contributor on another Finals run. That erases all the lack of playoff experience magically. And if they win a title?

Then he can sign with Durant and Rondo in LA.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15905 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:29:07 PM »

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2015, 11:24:10 PM

From what I understand, it makes more sense for Love to come back next season and then really cash in in 2016 as teams get more money to spend on FAs. So, that probably explains the "I want to be back" but not really stuff.

Makes sense. I just have a feeling that if he signs a contract with a 1 year option, it's so obvious that that's all anyone is going to talk about. Lebron can get away with it because he's Lebron. But maybe every one already realizes what's going on and would be fine with it.

But yeah just playing out his current contract is probably the smart short term move.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15906 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:40:54 PM »

Shaq just threatened to punch Charles Barkley in his face.

In his defense, I'm sure he would say he was joking but all you had to do was hear him and know it was his petulant childish side lashing out like always. Get him the fuck outta there.

Anyway Charles picked the Cavs over the Warriors just now. I don't agree. But at least if the Warriors win, I no longer have to hear this crap about a jump shooting team can't win a title. (Despite all the jump shots the Spurs hit last year)

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15907 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:47:01 PM »

And now the cast of Entourage is on the set of Inside the NBA

Shutitdownlizlemon.gif

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #15908 on:** May 27, 2015, 12:10:03 AM »

Warriors in 6, but really really close games.

Love will be back for one more season. Let Kobe retire, then explore the Lakers in FA. Lakers trade a couple picks and Lin/Young for Westbrook in 2016, that means they'll have:

Westbrook
Clarkson
Love
Randle
Okafor

Ain't bad for rebuilding

eleuin · « **Reply #15909 on:** May 27, 2015, 12:42:51 AM »

Nobody in that frontcourt plays defense

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15910 on:** May 27, 2015, 05:36:39 AM »

Cavs in 6.

Team of destiny here boys.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15911 on:** May 27, 2015, 10:06:48 AM »

I imagine we're done with Walrus in this thread until next year. Unless he's going to play the sore loser role and continually attack Lebron during the finals.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #15912 on:** May 27, 2015, 10:52:07 AM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 10:06:48 AM

I imagine we're done with Walrus in this thread until next year. Unless he's going to play the sore loser role and continually attack Lebron during the finals.

Oh, he will. Have no fear.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #15913 on:** May 27, 2015, 01:19:07 PM »

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 24, 2015, 01:32:12 PM

Can't wait for Walrus to sport a Warriors avatar

It's like I'm a psychic or something

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15914 on:** May 27, 2015, 01:24:12 PM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 27, 2015, 01:12:25 PM

I'm in this until the bitter end.

You have GOT to be fucking kidding me.

Nothing worse than a front runner.

Karma alone now guarantees Cavs in 6 because Walrus hasn't called anything right all playoffs long.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15915 on:** May 27, 2015, 01:35:01 PM »

He's not really a front runner. He doesn't have any interest in basketball really outside of hater Lebron posts.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15916 on:** May 27, 2015, 01:35:40 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2015, 01:35:01 PM

He's not really a front runner. He doesn't have any interest in basketball really outside of hater Lebron posts.

So he's a typical Kobe stan then? How depressing.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15917 on:** May 27, 2015, 01:41:16 PM »

JR in the post-season.

FG: 46%
3pt fg: 40%
pts 13.5
rebs: 5

And I wanted to keep Dion Waiters.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15918 on:** May 27, 2015, 01:41:47 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2015, 01:41:16 PM

JR in the post-season.

FG: 46%
3pt fg: 40%
pts 13.5
rebs: 5

And I wanted to keep Dion Waiters.

What will really bake your noodle is if you look up his contested shot FG%....it's like 52%

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #15919 on:** May 27, 2015, 01:49:35 PM »

JR and Shump have been huge for the Cavs. But even bigger? Fuckin' Tristan Thompson.

He gon' get paaaaaaaid

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15920 on:** May 27, 2015, 01:51:28 PM »

So looking ahead to 2016, finals win or not, the Cavs have some decisions to make.

Tristan: No brainer. Lebron's company is his agency. He'll get a large deal (Bet he gives a hometown discount though so probably a few mil below max) I'm thinking 4 years 52 million

Andy: He's gonna have to walk because he takes a very large hit salary and is damaged goods or not you just know Atlanta will give him 8+ million and extend him.

JR Smith: He'll opt in

Love: The tough one...I don't think he'll opt in and I'm not sure I'd max him if LMA is serious about coming to the Cavs

Shumpert: No brainer, find a way

Mozgov: See above

Delle: See above above

Man there are going to be a lot of moving parts this off season

Mandark · « **Reply #15921 on:** May 27, 2015, 01:59:29 PM »

You realize Varejao's got 2 more years and $19 million left on his contract with the Cavs, right?

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15922 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:03:18 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2015, 01:59:29 PM

You realize Varejao's got 2 more years and $19 million left on his contract with the Cavs, right?

Yes they are going to trade him for a backup PG or possibly a 3 to replace Miller/Marion . They can't keep two guys doing the same thing now that they have Mozgov who is clearly a much better defender than both.

Ah, I worded that wrong. Will correct.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #15923 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:04:23 PM »

No one knows how much luxury tax Gilbert will be comfortable paying. So, who they keep could vary wildly.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15924 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:05:15 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 27, 2015, 02:04:23 PM

No one knows how much luxury tax Gilbert will be comfortable paying. So, who they keep could vary wildly.

Dude he's getting investigated for predatory lending AND his casinos are doing shit business. Know how I know? I just met with him a few hours ago on the expansion for Cleveland which he just tabled, again.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #15925 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:07:06 PM »

Just because you meet someone doesn't mean you know what they are thinking. Quit with the appeal to authority horseshit.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15926 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:09:30 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 27, 2015, 02:07:06 PM

Just because you meet someone doesn't mean you know what they are thinking. Quit with the appeal to authority horseshit.

I'd argue that because I do meet with him I probably know more than you, asshat.

Quit acting like you have one fucking clue how Cleveland works internally. You're embarrassing yourself.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/us-department-of-justice-files-lawsuit-against-quicken-loans

Edit: Oh and I never refuted your point. I was just giving you what is on the table for him right now. One thing I do not know is how profitable the Cavs are as a business unit. So I'll give you that one.

Start there.

Mandark · « **Reply #15927 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:13:58 PM »

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:05:15 PM

Dude he's getting investigated for predatory lending AND his casinos are doing shit business. Know how I know? I just met with him a few hours ago on the expansion for Cleveland which he just tabled, again.

Both of those things are public knowledge. Just saying.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15928 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:15:00 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2015, 02:13:58 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
Dude he's getting investigated for predatory lending AND his casinos are doing shit business. Know how I know? I just met with him a few hours ago on the expansion for Cleveland which he just tabled, again.

Both of those things are public knowledge. Just saying.

Never said they weren't and considering I just provided a link I'm not sure what you're getting at.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #15929 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:15:05 PM »

I didn't act like I did. I specifically said that "No one knows ... "

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15930 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:17:01 PM »

Anyways we are going on useless tangent here. My bad.

I just hope this time off gets Kyrie back to 75% because currently he couldn't guard Curry (well then who really can) or Thompson.

Mandark · « **Reply #15931 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:25:25 PM »

It's just odd to present it as something gleaned from your connections, is all. I know a guy who does some business with the Redskins, who keeps sharing "inside info" a day after it's on PTI. When this gets pointed out to him, he says "Yeah, but I knew about it for weeks!"

Anyways, the new TV deal is going to jack up revenues by a ton, and the value of the Cavs franchise is probably three times what he paid for it a decade ago. He might choose to avoid the luxury tax, especially with all the new provisions making it harder to acquire players, but I don't think he'd be forced into lower spending unless his other business prospects are really dire.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #15932 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:31:14 PM »

Not only that, but he's the only guy who knows the "Lebron effect" on his tertiary businesses related to Cavaliers basketball. He's owned the team with and without him. Those financial benefits of keeping Lebron a Cav could outweigh whatever luxury tax he would have to endure in keeping Lebron happy.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15933 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:32:26 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2015, 02:25:25 PM

It's just odd to present it as something gleaned from your connections, is all. I know a guy who does some business with the Redskins, who keeps sharing "inside info" a day after it's on PTI. When this gets pointed out to him, he says "Yeah, but I knew about it for weeks!"

Anyways, the new TV deal is going to jack up revenues by a ton, and the value of the Cavs franchise is probably three times what he paid for it a decade ago. He might choose to avoid the luxury tax, especially with all the new provisions making it harder to acquire players, but I don't think he'd be forced into lower spending unless his other business prospects are really dire.

Oh I'm not that guy. Hell when I was playing I was the last to know. My family use to ask me all the time about free agents and shit and my customary answer was "just let me know if it's a secondary dude." And that was in the mid 90's. With the media blurring more and more with the internet I guarantee you that there are guys who know more about what's happening with the Browns that never played a down of football than the players.

I just spend a lot of time with the Cavs/Quicken loans guys at a higher level and as per normal life, some of them love to talk.

As for the salary cap increase, I wonder how the owner will collaborate on how to minimize the impact. The players have spoken but their union is about as weak as ours was. We should all be taking lessons from the baseball guys.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #15934 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:51:07 PM »

We're comparing insider dicks now? Dan Gilbert is a jerk irl and Quicken officials are too.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15935 on:** May 27, 2015, 02:51:43 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2015, 02:51:07 PM

We're comparing insider dicks now? Dan Gilbert is a jerk irl and Quicken officials are too.

You and dicks nicca. What the fuck?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #15936 on:** May 27, 2015, 04:26:12 PM »

Tell me I'm wrong tho. Not a fan of Gilbert.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15937 on:** May 27, 2015, 04:37:30 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2015, 04:26:12 PM

Tell me I'm wrong tho. Not a fan of Gilbert.

Napoleon syndrome bro.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15938 on:** May 27, 2015, 05:48:11 PM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 27, 2015, 01:12:25 PM

I'm in this until the bitter end.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15939 on:** May 27, 2015, 11:29:38 PM »

James Harden

2-10

12 turnovers.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15940 on:** May 28, 2015, 05:39:33 AM »

For once most pundits got it right. Warriors vs Cavs.

At the very least the should be a hell of a series and it's nice to see two new teams get a shot at the title!

That said, GO Cavs! Warriors can eat a whole bag of dicks.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #15941 on:** May 28, 2015, 12:49:01 PM »

Honestly I just can't see the Cavs beating GS, but since I'm invested in seeing the Walrus Curse reach its climax I'll have to go with the Cavs in 6.

Beezy · « **Reply #15942 on:** May 28, 2015, 12:54:39 PM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 28, 2015, 12:44:59 PM

We're in the Finals!

Change your fucking avatar.

benjipwns · « **Reply #15943 on:** May 28, 2015, 01:08:52 PM »

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Chicago Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf said, “The Chicago Bulls have a history of achieving great success on and off the court. These accomplishments have been possible because of an organizational culture where input from all parts of the organization has been welcomed and valued, there has been a willingness to participate in a free flow of information, and there have been clear and consistent goals. While the head of each department of the organization must be free to make final decisions regarding his department, there must be free and open interdepartmental discussion and consideration of everyone's ideas and opinions. These internal discussions must not be considered an invasion of turf, and must remain private. Teams that consistently perform at the highest levels are able to come together and be unified across the organization-staff, players, coaches, management and ownership. When everyone is on the same page, trust develops and teams can grow and succeed together. Unfortunately, there has been a departure from this culture. To ensure that the Chicago Bulls can continue to grow and succeed, we have decided that a change in the head coaching position is required. Days like today are difficult, but necessary for us to achieve our goals and fulfill our commitments to our fans. I appreciate the contributions that Tom Thibodeau made to the Bulls organization. I have always respected his love of the game and wish him well in the future.”

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15944 on:** May 28, 2015, 05:21:44 PM »

Thibs is a very good defensive coach but he does burn those guys out.

That being said, I hate Paxon, Reinsdorf, and Forman, so team Thibodeaux for me. Good luck to him finding another good situation.

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #15945 on:** May 28, 2015, 06:01:39 PM »

I'm hearing they're interested in Alvin Gentry?

way better than picking up Fred Hoiberg imo

benjipwns · « **Reply #15946 on:** May 28, 2015, 11:04:34 PM »

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MIAMI -- For the first time, the relationship between Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat seems murky at best.

And his future with the team is now in doubt.

Contract talks between Wade and the Heat are at an impasse and the three-time NBA champion is preparing himself for possibly leaving the team this summer, a source confirmed to ESPN.com.

Wade is under contract for the 2015-16 season, and would earn about $16.1 million. He also could opt out and become a free agent. Wade has said many times, including in an end-of-season interview with The Associated Press, that he wants to remain with the Heat for the remainder of his career.

But Wade has not decided anything, including whether he will opt out, the person said on Thursday.

"He's trying to figure out how things should transpire and if he can reach another agreement with the Heat," the person said.

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Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15947 on:** May 28, 2015, 11:05:50 PM »

Based cavs starting 2 guard :-)

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #15948 on:** May 28, 2015, 11:31:44 PM »

"the person"

fuck happened to "an anonymous source"?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15949 on:** May 29, 2015, 01:27:09 AM »

Weird. I don't understand the conflict. I mean I know he got screwed with his contract situation when Lebron left but does he really think anybody is going to pay him mega bucks at this stage in his career.

benjipwns · « **Reply #15950 on:** May 29, 2015, 01:28:38 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2015, 05:21:44 PM

Thibs is a very good defensive coach but he does burn those guys out.

There were stories put out this week that players (including long-termers, not just new guys like Gasol) were very negative about Thibs in exit interviews and that many of them had taken to practicing/working out away from the Bulls official facility because Thibs basically lived there and he would more or less nag the players even if they were just popping in to work on their jumper or whatever.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #15951 on:** May 29, 2015, 05:14:04 PM »

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/05/29/golden-state-warriors-klay-thompson-concussion-rockets

[walrus]Looks like Stern successfully paid off Ariza for the knee to the head[/walrus]

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15952 on:** May 29, 2015, 06:14:58 PM »

It was pretty clear the Warriors were hustling out Klay and Curry back onto the court so they wouldn't have to deal with the concussion protocol. It's pretty sketchy that team doctors are in control of that stuff when the winning imperative is that strong.

It fell apart when Klay started bleeding from the ear.

benjipwns · « **Reply #15953 on:** May 30, 2015, 01:54:02 AM »

Magic have hired Scott Skiles.

Bulls want Fred Hoiberg.

Alvin Gentry is going to have a second interview with the Pelicans...although now that Thibs is out there...

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15954 on:** May 30, 2015, 05:00:32 AM »

Seems to be a lack of black head coaches in the NBA at the moment for a league that has been generally good about that.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15955 on:** May 30, 2015, 08:12:05 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2015, 05:00:32 AM

Seems to be a lack of black head coaches in the NBA at the moment for a league that has been generally good about that.

I ain't really made about it though. Outside of Gentry and Lue there doesn't seem to be an assload of talent out there.

Hoiberg is eerily reminiscent of the bulls chasing jackson out of town for Floyd though. It doesn't make any sense.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #15956 on:** May 30, 2015, 10:23:05 AM »

Since when it Gentry talented?

Seems like a lot of black coaches he placeholder jobs in the NFL and NBA. Take over a shitty team for a couple years the get booted.

Am_I_Anonymous · « **Reply #15957 on:** May 30, 2015, 11:27:54 AM »

He had some good years with the suns.

Trying to figure out walrus' hate for Lebron is harder than trying to find a snickers bar a whole foods.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #15958 on:** May 30, 2015, 01:36:34 PM »

@beezy
https://vine.co/v/ebQvKAJYF7t

benjipwns · « **Reply #15959 on:** May 30, 2015, 02:53:34 PM »

All Gentry did really was reverse Terry Porter's attempt to make the Suns play more like the Pat Riley Knicks. Nash mostly ran that show. And Amare was back.

Gentry seems to be a well respected assistant, but he hasn't exactly done anything of note as a head coach. The Pistons under performed under him and he seemed to not like Grant Hill as a point-forward. Then went nowhere with that Clippers team that had Brand, Odom, Q Rich, Andre Miller, Corey Maggette, etc. And never really seeming to develop guys. Especially Darius Miles.

I think you need somebody who will let that Pelicans team run while giving them an actual defense. And who isn't afraid to use Tyreke Evans as his "point guard" no matter where he "plays" something Monty Williams figured out when Jrue went down and the team sparked their run to the playoffs.

Maybe Scott Brooks. Or Mike Brown. Perhaps Larry Drew.

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