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« Reply #2820 on: January 23, 2017, 05:12:23 PM »
I believe the story was on the Sun (the British tabloid)
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« Reply #2821 on: January 23, 2017, 06:02:37 PM »
It's been circulating around the last couple of days.
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« Reply #2822 on: January 23, 2017, 06:08:06 PM »
Circulating around where? You secret alt-right?

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« Reply #2823 on: January 23, 2017, 06:12:19 PM »
Nope.

Edit: The BBC has a story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38717186

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« Reply #2824 on: January 24, 2017, 08:47:55 AM »
Just a little over a couple weeks until the tough Turkmenistani presidential election. Incumbent Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow is facing eight opponents.

He hasn't been as popular with the people as his predecessor President Saparmurat Niyazov. Berdimuhamedow has only received 97.1% and 89.2% in the last two Presidential elections. Niyazov got 99.5% in his only election fifteen years earlier, he was so popular he was later elected President for Life by 99.9% of the vote.

If no candidate gets a majority there will be a second round.

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« Reply #2825 on: January 25, 2017, 06:22:25 AM »
Shit-flinging is starting in the French election :rejoice :goty

Le Canard Enchainé, both a satiric and investigative newspaper (one of the best really, fully self funded by physical sales), has published an article about how the wife of François Fillon -conservative candidate and potential future president- was paid over years half a million euros from his parliamentary funds for work no one seem to be able to prove the existence of.

Meanwhile two right-wing MPs are saying Macron -independent center left surfing on hype right now- used 120k in funds from the Finance Ministry, when he was heading it, to fund his then nascent party/organization supporting his presidential run (by way, if I heard correctly, of using public facilities for meetings and such).

It's still unclear if Francois Bayrou, center right christian democrat, will maybe run his own bid for the election. Wisdom has it he can't gather the 500 signatures of elected officials needed without the help of François Fillon's party, and they might not be inclined to do that unless they're really afraid of Macron accomplishing the ever mythical "third way" through a wide centrist coalition AND they're really confident Fillon will take votes on his right from Le Pen.

I was skeptical of Macron's bid, if you cared for the whole thing : outsider bids always sound better than they really fare in France (despite the fact that De Gaulle conceived the presidency like the meeting of the man with the people outside of parties), but one can't deny Macron has gained some traction; he's attracting large crowds both in Paris and Province (relative to other politicians). He's pulling a couple of shrewd moves too : he's asked for people willing to run for National Assembly to send their resumes now as a way to say "You know I'm the winning bet but I won't give you the luxury of waiting from your safe spot : come to me now". He maybe learned the lesson from Bayrou who when asked who he would govern with, as he only had a small limited party, responded "With everybody" to which everybody promptly said "Ah ah. No.". It seems to work in some capacity : some Socialist local figures in northern Lille (former mining and industrial country, strong Socialist presence) are already backing him, and former Socialist runner to the presidency (Current Environment Minister, former SO of President Hollande, brother of one of the spy divers who sunk the Rainbow Warrior  :doge) Ségolène Royal is starting to send some signal she would too.

Still there's a lot of debate over the fact he should have tried to run in the Socialist primary to implode them from inside and be the only moderate-left candidate. It's hard to tell if it was really the correct choice because so much of his popularity rests on his outsider status.
I still think there's a fad/hype element to it and that his bid has weaknesses (national security is a big blind spot in his platform) but it doesn't seem so ludicrous now he could be the best placed left candidate in the election. Especially if the Socialist ends up choosing Hamon as their own candidate as he's perceived radical-leaning and freeing up space in the center.
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« Reply #2826 on: January 25, 2017, 11:48:59 AM »
Economic anxiety has not reached everyone : French Ministry of Defense claims 2016 was a record year with 20 billions in arms export.

Speaking of which, French DCNS should work with Poland to develop submarines. They're also supposed to be a minority partner in buying back the Saint Nazaire naval yard (largest in Europe) along with italian Fincantieri. The "Atlantic Yard" was part of the korean STX group that recently filed bankruptcy in Seoul. Saint-Nazaire is mostly a civil yard (they built the Queen Mary 2 and Harmony of the Seas) but has recently been constructing the 2 Mistral helicopter-carriers originally bought by Russia and is the only french yard that could be used to make a new aircraft carrier (it's been a fugitive talking point for years but the budgets aren't there).
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« Reply #2827 on: January 25, 2017, 01:26:14 PM »
Please continue these updates.
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« Reply #2828 on: January 25, 2017, 01:32:28 PM »
Wilco.
Expect more flippancy as the election approaches though.  :doge
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« Reply #2829 on: January 25, 2017, 01:38:39 PM »
was paid over years half a million euros from his parliamentary funds for work no one seem to be able to prove the existence of

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« Reply #2830 on: January 25, 2017, 06:26:49 PM »
I probably already said that, but the Saint-Nazaire yard is in a bit of an absurd place : they have work lined for the next 10 years and are turning a profit (though not a fat one) and yet the workforce is pressured, hirings are constrained and it have a reputation of cheapening on wages (therefore losing highly qualified prospects to the nearby Airbus factory).
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« Reply #2831 on: January 26, 2017, 03:42:46 AM »
The CFR "President's Inbox" podcast just aired an episode of the Trump-May meeting coming up and the British expert there was skeptical the UK could strike some giant US bilateral deal that would offset the Brexit :
- With the WTO, tariffs are already low, most of the areas where things can get much improved are deep integration "below the border" (harmonizing safety standards, rules & regulation, more freedom to move and exercice...). Those kind of deals are not negociated in a year.
- It's doubtful that a new trade deal could be implemented or even discussed before the exact terms of agreement between UK and EU are settled (to avoid things like EU-imported products being exported from the UK to the US under the bilateral agreement ).
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« Reply #2832 on: January 26, 2017, 06:27:44 AM »
What would the US (or any other country for that matter) want tax-free from the UK anyway. Marmite?

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« Reply #2834 on: January 26, 2017, 03:16:00 PM »
I'll let a German expand but the German Socialists decided to field Martin Schulz (former president of Euro parliament) in a semi-surprise bid. Polls seem to suggest he could be a credible challenger to Merkel.

Otherwise Mediapart (investigative french website, paid subscribers only, founded several years ago by former collaborators at Le Monde newspaper, reliable source) just published a paper on how a hundred or so close relatives of MPs are currently employed in French Parliament.
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« Reply #2835 on: January 26, 2017, 03:27:02 PM »
I'm way too much of a lazy POS commited to shitposting to be covering our elections in the same way you do the French. Sorry, Boritos. :shaq2

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« Reply #2836 on: January 27, 2017, 04:52:36 AM »
The high observer for the french Socialist primary claims they were cyberattacked from abroad and that he will detail further Monday, after the election is done.
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« Reply #2837 on: January 27, 2017, 08:01:24 AM »
Will penelope-gate sink fillion?

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« Reply #2838 on: January 28, 2017, 03:53:02 AM »
Will penelope-gate sink fillion?

My guess is probably not. It's a fairly run of the mill scandal, especially compared to Strauss Khan (lol) or Sarkozy who is under justice review for occult financing via Pakistan's kickbacks, taking advantage of the senile billionaire owner of l'Oréal or generous Kadhafi donations...

Still it does tarnish his image. Fillon's schtick is fiscal conservatism and AFAIK he didn't have a lot of personal skeletons exposed til now.
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« Reply #2839 on: January 29, 2017, 10:11:06 AM »
Bit lttp on this, but the UK Supreme Court has (obviously) backed up the High Court, ruling that the government does need the greenlight from Parliament to trigger Article 50.

The Commons session on this was hilarious, a constant back and forth between

- the MPs not particularly excited by the prospect of leaving the EU saying "you already tried to sideline us, now we're going to need a detailed whitepaper about your Brexit plans before the vote"

- the government and their followers being all "no no no we didn't try to sideline you! We just wanted to be sure the High Court wasn't full of shit!
Whitepaper? Theresa gave a speech a few days ago, that's all you need.
Plus we don't want to make the bid too complicated. Or reveal our supah sikrit Brexit plans, this would hurt negociations".


This gun be gud.

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« Reply #2840 on: January 30, 2017, 03:28:52 AM »
Benoit Hamon will be the socialist candidate for the upcoming french presidential election after winning the primary runoff yesterday (58% as per current count, turnout slighty up from first round) over former PM Valls. Minutes before first estimations were made public last evening, Socialists of variable prominence (including the mayor of Lyon) started advocating for Emmanuel Macron, the independent center left candidate (and there was speculation Valls could ultimately do that). The primary in this respect already failed.
Unsure those socialist supports are the best for Macron : It reminds everyone that while independent, he is now the de facto candidate of the current government continuity.

Hamon isn't inactive either as he want to initiate talks with the Green Party (Regular but uneasy socialist ally, fielding a candidate as of now) and radical left Mélenchon. Hamon's platform is the closest to theirs it could be out of all the socialist candidates and they are more amenable to his person. But as I said earlier, it's very hard to imagine Hamon and Mélenchon could strike a deal for a single candidacy (Greens too, but slightly less so) despite this being the only viable strategy. Too much (party) ego at play. And the Socialists remember that's how they themselves "killed" the Communist Party back in the 70's...
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« Reply #2842 on: January 31, 2017, 10:58:48 AM »
Benoit Hamon will be the socialist candidate for the upcoming french presidential election after winning the primary runoff yesterday (58% as per current count, turnout slighty up from first round) over former PM Valls. Minutes before first estimations were made public last evening, Socialists of variable prominence (including the mayor of Lyon) started advocating for Emmanuel Macron, the independent center left candidate (and there was speculation Valls could ultimately do that). The primary in this respect already failed.
Unsure those socialist supports are the best for Macron : It reminds everyone that while independent, he is now the de facto candidate of the current government continuity.

Hamon isn't inactive either as he want to initiate talks with the Green Party (Regular but uneasy socialist ally, fielding a candidate as of now) and radical left Mélenchon. Hamon's platform is the closest to theirs it could be out of all the socialist candidates and they are more amenable to his person. But as I said earlier, it's very hard to imagine Hamon and Mélenchon could strike a deal for a single candidacy (Greens too, but slightly less so) despite this being the only viable strategy. Too much (party) ego at play. And the Socialists remember that's how they themselves "killed" the Communist Party back in the 70's...

Forgive my immense ignorance, but why does it matter who is the socialist candidate in this election?

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« Reply #2843 on: January 31, 2017, 12:20:16 PM »
I'm not sure I understand the question ? Do you mean with regards to its current standing in polls ? Polls are polls, things look dire now for the Socialists in the Presidential election but a lot of things can happen in 3 months. Also don't forget the National Assembly is voted for in the wake of this election and that even if a defeat looms, parties on the left are also keeping on eye on being the biggest bird on that opposition perch. For all its internal crisis, the Socialist party is still by far the most robust party on the left, with a lot of local clout and ubiquitous presence. You want to get a hand on that if possible. It's not a given Macron or Mélenchon can field good vetted candidates or have any decent ground game in every county and that local Socialists (or Communists in selected areas) will just bow down.

As I said some Socialists already sided with Macron... but they did not defect from their party.

The result of that primary is, in a way, seeing how the internal pendulum tilt inside the party. The so called "hard left" wing won this one and it means they should have the upper hand in keeping some of the inheritance in the worst case scenario.

In any other election since 1974, the name of the Socialist candidate was a major deal too so it warrants some of the coverage even if they might play a very small part in this one.
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« Reply #2844 on: January 31, 2017, 12:45:15 PM »
"United we stand, divided we fall": letter by President Donald Tusk to the 27 EU heads of state or government on the future of the EU before the Malta summit
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/01/31-tusk-letter-future-europe/

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Let us show our European pride. If we pretend we cannot hear the words and we do not notice the decisions aimed against the EU and our future, people will stop treating Europe as their wider homeland. Equally dangerously, global partners will cease to respect us. Objectively speaking, there is no reason why Europe and its leaders should pander to external powers and their rulers. I know that in politics, the argument of dignity must not be overused, as it often leads to conflict and negative emotions. But today we must stand up very clearly for our dignity, the dignity of a united Europe - regardless of whether we are talking to Russia, China, the US or Turkey. Therefore, let us have the courage to be proud of our own achievements, which have made our continent the best place on Earth. Let us have the courage to oppose the rhetoric of demagogues, who claim that European integration is beneficial only to the elites, that ordinary people have only suffered as its result, and that countries will cope better on their own, rather than together.

We must look to the future - this was your most frequent request in our consultations over the past months. And there is no doubt about it. But we should never, under any circumstances, forget about the most important reasons why 60 years ago we decided to unite Europe. We often hear the argument that the memory of the past tragedies of a divided Europe is no longer an argument, that new generations do not remember the sources of our inspiration. But amnesia does not invalidate these inspirations, nor does it relieve us of our duty to continuously recall the tragic lessons of a divided Europe. In Rome, we should strongly reiterate these two basic, yet forgotten, truths: firstly, we have united in order to avoid another historic catastrophe, and secondly, that the times of European unity have been the best times in all of Europe's centuries-long history. It must be made crystal clear that the disintegration of the European Union will not lead to the restoration of some mythical, full sovereignty of its member states, but to their real and factual dependence on the great superpowers: the United States, Russia and China. Only together can we be fully independent.
We must therefore take assertive and spectacular steps that would change the collective emotions and revive the aspiration to raise European integration to the next level. In order to do this, we must restore the sense of external and internal security as well as socio-economic welfare for European citizens. This requires a definitive reinforcement of the EU external borders; improved cooperation of services responsible for combating terrorism and protecting order and peace within the border-free area; an increase in defence spending; strengthening the foreign policy of the EU as a whole as well as better coordinating individual member states' foreign policies; and last but not least fostering investment, social inclusion, growth, employment, reaping the benefits of technological change and convergence in both the euro area and the whole of Europe.

We should use the change in the trade strategy of the US to the EU's advantage by intensifying our talks with interested partners, while defending our interests at the same time. The European Union should not abandon its role as a trade superpower which is open to others, while protecting its own citizens and businesses, and remembering that free trade means fair trade. We should also firmly defend the international order based on the rule of law. We cannot surrender to those who want to weaken or invalidate the Transatlantic bond, without which global order and peace cannot survive. We should remind our American friends of their own motto: United we stand, divided we fall.
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« Reply #2845 on: January 31, 2017, 12:49:38 PM »
"Who ?"

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I mean... you know. European technocrats are not arousing passions. But it's an hopeful sign that the EU and and its members will push back with enough force.
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EDIT :
Fillon and his wife were interrogated by the financial crimes police today as agents went to the Assembly investigate her supposed work as a parmalientary assistant : apparently they couldn't find any access badge or email adress setup for her despite alleged years of work. The suspected sum has now increased to over 800.000 euros.
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« Reply #2846 on: January 31, 2017, 01:13:18 PM »
He said he'd drop out if charges are brought up, right?

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« Reply #2847 on: January 31, 2017, 01:31:19 PM »
He said he'd drop out if charges are brought up, right?

If he's "mis en examen" ("put under examination" = indicted), yes.
There's some skepticism on this happening before the election though. Police investigation for this type of suspicion can last a long time. There's also a lot of legalese that means police can continue its findings in some shape or form without indicting him up to a point, if they want so : Authorities wouldn't want to appear as meddling with the campaign. The variable unknown, as always in democracies, is public outrage and pressure.

If he's elected, any action against him in justice could only resume a month after he's leaving office.
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« Reply #2848 on: January 31, 2017, 02:33:35 PM »
Tusk did an interview with Der Spiegel years ago, I always remember this from it.

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When I hear the tone of some in the European debates, I get the impression that the idea of the union needs to be explained again and again. The European Union wasn't only designed for good times. We believe it was also designed to withstand the bad times. It is the principle of solidarity that has made it so interesting. The new member states understand that better than the old ones.

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« Reply #2849 on: January 31, 2017, 03:50:40 PM »
I don't know which new members he was thinking about back then but it's a debatable assertion.
Though a wake up call in favor of more solidarity (including debt sharing and refugee asylum) would be welcomed.
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« Reply #2850 on: January 31, 2017, 04:30:33 PM »
I don't know which new members he was thinking about back then but it's a debatable assertion.
Does look like a fair weather estimation now, especially in regards to his native Poland. But this renewed call to unity from him impressed me. Let's just hope something comes of it. I really hope Germany pulls the stick out of their ass here and gives up trying to out-export everyone.
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« Reply #2851 on: January 31, 2017, 06:16:31 PM »
I'm not too worried about the EU. The shit show that is Brexit (and it hasn't even really started yet) certainly has had an impact on people on the fence.

The UK has always been one foot in, one out, so it was only a matter of time. Using the EU as a scapegoat for their internal issues was just too easy, and they just love blaming shit on others. It's nothing new. It'll take a couple of years until they realize that taking back control did fuck all to fix the issues.

Although I'm not holding my breath yet. They'll probably blame it on the evil EU being meanies during Brexit or something.

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« Reply #2852 on: January 31, 2017, 07:14:40 PM »
Lol @ Tusk.
Only thing he has going for him is that he's not Van Rompuy
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« Reply #2853 on: February 01, 2017, 12:39:27 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-mexico-trade-idUSKBN15G4EX

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The European Union and Mexico have set two new rounds of trade talks in the first half of 2017, an acceleration of negotiations to deepen economic ties in the wake of Donald Trump's inauguration as U.S. president.

The European Commission said on Wednesday that EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom and Mexican Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo had scheduled subsequent rounds for April 3-7 and June 26-29.
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« Reply #2854 on: February 01, 2017, 12:59:13 PM »
Lol @ Tusk.
Only thing he has going for him is that he's not Van Rompuy

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« Reply #2855 on: February 01, 2017, 03:18:56 PM »
Edit: Wikileaks dumping info on all the French candidates

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« Reply #2857 on: February 01, 2017, 03:54:54 PM »
Trudeau kind of reminds me of Obama in that liberals love him despite some decidedly anti-liberal shit he does. He also publicly pulled his bombers out of Iraq to concentrate only on humanitarian aid only to secretly increase special operations presence and send them on combat missions with Kurdish fighters. He also had no problem approving the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain oil pipeline.

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« Reply #2858 on: February 01, 2017, 07:32:29 PM »
I like him but I has have a lot of central leanings. 

Also electoral reform is better left until you are going to get voted out anyways. 

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« Reply #2859 on: February 02, 2017, 02:23:23 AM »
So, not really a surprise, but the Commons have voted overwhelmingly in favour of triggering article 50.

As if it wasn't already enough of a shit show, a fifth of labour MPs (including several front benchers and shadow ministers) have defied Corbyn's three-line whip and voted against, either resigning just before the vote, or not even bothering to do so. I don't necessarily agree with the traditional (european) left on all issues, but maybe it'd be time they got their shit together, because they're completely imploding in most of western europe. The UK and France being prime examples.

As per the usual process in parliament, it's going to go through several other rounds for the "details", including at the Lords who are expected to not play nice, at least at the beginning.

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« Reply #2860 on: February 02, 2017, 04:50:57 AM »
Trudeau kind of reminds me of Obama in that liberals love him despite some decidedly anti-liberal shit he does. He also publicly pulled his bombers out of Iraq to concentrate only on humanitarian aid only to secretly increase special operations presence and send them on combat missions with Kurdish fighters. He also had no problem approving the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain oil pipeline.


Yeah, I'm fond of Obama's statesmanship and the ACA (despite its horrible compromises, it has helped many friends), but his record on privacy is a shit show.

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« Reply #2861 on: February 02, 2017, 09:50:12 AM »
Well, not to break tradition, I was probably wrong on Fillon weathering the storm. His two children are now being brought on the scope of the investigation (they were paid too). A few days before taking function as a MP he also created a counselling cabinet and those activities are being looked by the press (though so far not illegal per se). Fillon and his supports are denouncing a libellous campaign and orchestrated maneuvers but you know... He may not have to withdraw but that stuff will probably stick.

Alain Juppé, the loser in the runoff round of the primary that selected Fillon, has said he don't want to be the "backup plan". Guess it's up to the party now.

Speaking of : Serge Dassault, oldest senator and CEO of the fighter plane maker Dassault (founded by his father, an engineer) was barred of seeking office for 5 years ans fined for 2m for tax evasion. He's also been suspected for years of buying votes.
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« Reply #2862 on: February 03, 2017, 03:03:50 AM »
Things ate going from bad to worse for Fillon. Envoyé Spécial, one of the biggest investigative shows on TV (public channel France 2) aired a 2007 clip from an interview Pénélope Fillon gave to the Daily Telegraph where says : "I never was [my husband's] assistant or anything like that".

He'll probably won't get indicted before the election however.
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« Reply #2863 on: February 03, 2017, 03:07:53 AM »
Haha yeah I read that  :lol

But I also read he is getting support from this Kosciuscko lady, got to love a polack backing the right wing candidate  :lol

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« Reply #2864 on: February 03, 2017, 03:26:47 AM »
She's 150 years removed from her polish ancestor who moved into France, so you know...
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« Reply #2865 on: February 03, 2017, 04:12:02 AM »
Philippines are only getting better and better. Duterte now wants to resume fighting with a communist insurgency :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15I0R0?il=0

So in a matter of a few weeks and on top of all the killings of alleged "drug dealers", the police has been found to abuse the liberal use of violence (duh !) and possibly so crooked that Duterte basically disowned them from his war on drugs to give that to the army who will also resume active counter-insurgency.

What could possibly go wrong ?

Meanwhile, Toshiba is suffering badly under the weight of its nuclear business :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15I0VG?il=0

Nuclear sector is not doing great nowadays, with french conglomerate Areva recently going on with a split between its lucrative mining arm and a struggling power plant engineering division (for which they seek chinese participation). It's problematic because the engineering arm is also in charge of the maintenance of all plants (and France has over 50) and the poor management last few years is really playing a nasty trick on instructing and keeping the specialized workforce.
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« Reply #2866 on: February 03, 2017, 05:12:10 AM »
She's 150 years removed from her polish ancestor who moved into France, so you know...

So yeah she should know better. Not everyone that arrives in a new country is part of the fucking nobility.

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« Reply #2867 on: February 03, 2017, 09:02:16 AM »
Well blimey, would you look at this! A detailed, 70+ pages long whitepaper from the UK government about Brexit. Published one day after the vote on A50 in the Commons :lol

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/589191/The_United_Kingdoms_exit_from_and_partnership_with_the_EU_Web.pdf

Still reading through it, but I absolutely love this part.

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Parliamentary sovereignty
2.1
The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst
Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always
felt like that. The extent of EU activity relevant to the UK can be demonstrated by the fact
that 1,056 EU-related documents were deposited for parliamentary scrutiny in 2016. These
include proposals for EU Directives, Regulations, Decisions and Recommendations, as well
as Commission delegated acts, and other documents such as Commission Communications,
Reports and Opinions submitted to the Council, Court of Auditors Reports and more.



Whilst Parliament has REMAINED SOVEREIGN THROUGHOUT OUR MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU, it has not always felt like that.

:rofl

Guys guys, vote leave plz.

WE NEED TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR OWN DESTINY AND REGAIN SOVEREIGNTY.

FREE US FROM THE SHACKLES OF THE SUBMISSION TO THE UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS LIVING IN THEIR IVORY BELGIAN TOWER.

WE NEED TO MAKE OUR OWN LAWS. THIS IS ENOUGH. VIVA LA REVOLUCION.


...

THANKS GUYS WE DID IT!
Oh yeah so btw we always had sovereignty, but it just didn't feel that way. Someone had to think of our feels.


GTFOH :rofl :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #2868 on: February 04, 2017, 04:30:00 AM »
The latest War College podcast (on "Russia's hybrid warfare" & interpretation of soft power) features Mark Galeotti again, an academic specialized in Russia and security and who always has enlightening things to say : he has good sources, is now stationed in Prague and I learn from him more than a couple of things (the creation of a "national guard" to reform interior security troops, the state of conscription and the modernization of the infantry force and structure still being limited to only a segment of the army, etc...).

http://www.reuters.com/podcasts/war-college/

Recommended.
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« Reply #2869 on: February 04, 2017, 06:58:12 AM »
In France : Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right Front National, is officially launching her campaign in Lyon this weekend.

You probably kow that the Front National is the leading far right party in France, has had strong presence in the last thirty years and is now almost on an equal footing, as an individual party, with the Socialist Party and whatever the main right wing party inherited from De Gaulle is called this cycle (Les Républicains now). The FN already tried to claim being the "biggest/first party in France", and expression commonly used for the Communist Party back after the war, obviously to invoke the same refusal to compromise with the current establishment though the goals and ideological cues differ.

It's maybe not useless to take a quick look at the history of the party. The FN was founded in 1972 by the French neo-fascists of group called Ordre Nouveau (New Order, the student arm GUD is still active today) taking their inspiration from the italian MSI (the logo was lifted wholesale, swapping the colors from those of the italian flag to french) to give them a broader base outside of the narrow spectrum of fascism with a ore inclusive "national right" label (geared toward other extreme conservative demographics : fundamentalists christians, supporters of a French Algeria...). However none of those shadow ideologues felt like becoming the face of that movement and they started shopping around for a figure head, finally settling on Jean-Marie Le Pen.

Jean-Marie Le Pen is a veteran of the Indochina and Algeria war where he served as part of an airborne regiment -the elite military component in both wars, especially in Dien Bien Phu and the Battle of Algiers-. As such, he basically admitted he was among the many soldiers to use torture in Algeria, a fact for which he was apologetic ("a necessity") though not gloating about. Back to France, his political debut was made thanks to Pierre Poujade, the leader of a short lived populist outburst in the mid-50's around the core theme of defending small commerce and artisans. Thanks to that he was elected twice as a MP, then took a step back from politics before being brought in the FN.

Things get tense very early on, as Le Pen didn't really deliver on bringing in a wave of militants from the traditionalist far right/vanilla nationalists all on top of some of the fascist revolutionary radicals still trying to impose a militant, violent platform. Ordre Nouveau itself, due to its violent leanings, is dissolved by authorities in 1973 and Jean-Marie Le Pen takes the opportunity to seize total ownership of the party, ousting his handlers. The seventies are tough years for what amounts to a mostly irrelevant fringe movement and things only really get rolling in 1981-82 after the election of Mitterrand, France first socialist President under the Gaullist Vth Republic founded in 1958.

Maybe as a backlash to the Socialists in power, maybe because of the oil crises, the end of systemic high level of yearly growth, globalisation and immigration... Anyway the FN make considerable headway in the first half of the 80's and in 1986 manages to elect 35 MP (out of 577 total) to the National Assembly. It should be noted that it's by far the high peak of their representation in the lower chamber of parliament (since then they only managed to elect 3 MPs, 2 sitting currently, probably because of the bipartisan coalition to keep them out of office). It also fares well in cantonal (indirect), regional, european parliament (proportional) elections rather consistently. Less so, until recently, in mayoral ones with relatively few offices held (only 27 mayors out of roughly 36000, and only one over 100k inhabitants -one of the district of Marseilles- and that's a big progress from before). Roughly speaking the party treaded mostly between 10% to 18% and now has raised its roof to 25-27%.

Jean-Marie Le Pen made the party his thing, to the point of building his personal fortune on the captation of a few inheritances from militant millionaires, and imposed a rather loud and vulgar style as his trademark, with an impressive collection of lawsuits brought against his statements : he called the Jewish extermination a "footnote in the war's history" or made an infamous joke on "Durafour crématoire" (A rather hard to explain wordplay on the nazi cremating ovens and the name of then minister Durafour). Antisemitic undercurrents always were nurtured -it's in there in the ideological melting pot- but by far the most popular theme for the party has been the condemning of the political establishment, globalisation and muslim immigration (a famous slogan read : "3 millions unemployed means 3 millions of immigrants too much. France and French people first"). Roughly speaking, the key proposition of the party is instituting "National preference" aka more discrimination (in accessing jobs & benefits, education, entering the country...).

The FN also proved very resilient : in 1998 the party was splintered by its then number 2 which founded its own concurrent party. In the next election, the far right only gathered 8% of the vote, split between the FN and the FN-MN. But the spell was short lived and by 2002 Jean-Marie Le Pen performed his biggest coup by managing to finish second in the first round of the Presidential election with 17% and thus qualifying for the runoff, eliminating in the process socialist Prime Minister Jospin (probably a result of low charisma, complacency and the vote spread over a myriad of leftist candidates). Le Pen then went to lose the election 18 to 82% in front of Jaques Chirac who didn't even accept to debate him in-between rounds as customary (a refuse to normalize, sounds familiar ?). The FN still had a long way to go not to appear as a fringe group but still, the internal strife had been tamed and things were back to normal : the voting bloc didn't went anywhere. The following years were up-and-down but within expectations.

Finally in 2011 Jean-Marie Le Pen stepped down after making sure his daughter, Marine Le Pen, took the reins.

Marine whole schtick is to normalize and destigmatize the party. She's careful to appear as a credible alternative, more level headed than her father. In fact, she stripped him of his title as an honorary president of the party in 2015 when he expressed disbelief at the current strategy and insisted on the whole "Holocaust is a footnote" thing. Marine is also running under the banner of the "Marine blue movement" instead of the party official name (and recently adopted a rose in her logo, a rather confusing choice as the flower is the traditional symbol of socialists). To offset the systemic lack of seasoned political operatives which has plagued the FN forever, she's trying to bring in more traditional types : one of her closest advisors is Florian Philippot which was taught in the most prestigious french schools (notably HEC, commerce school, and ENA, the factory for "hauts fonctionnaires" upper crust career public servants) which was an avowed Gaullist and supporter of Chevénement (Former Socialist, Former Interior Minister, Statist-sovereignist left). On the whole, she tried to tone down the outspoken racism and pretend to run on a secular nationalist platform (on the local level, the discipline is often not that great, so there's still plenty of clear as day terrible things being said) because that's the only way they could hope to gather enough votes to win the presidency, overcome coalitions against them in other elections and maybe lure some of the so called "republican right" in alliances.

There's been some internal pushback against this move to the center, notably by her niece Marion Maréchal-Le Pen (Did you catch that some neotism is going on here ?), one of the two current MP and the young, good looking darling of rancid fascists. But despite doubts by all observers that Marine's precampaign was all that good, she's still supposed to be a lock for the second round of the presidential election (anything less would be a real blow to her, in fact). Fillon's recent entangling in a scandal is mana from heaven for a party that loves to rail on corruption (despite being as, if not more, crooked than your usual politician) and the left is still in total disarray with the most optimistic issue being a popular wave for independent, mostly without solid party support, Macron. One can hope (and I certainly do), but even if Le Pen probably can't win a second round yet (My own, baseless, gut feel is that she can do 30 to 40%) the FN won't suddenly collapse and will continue to grow strong on other elections. I long suspected that it will in fact outlive the strict "cordoning off" strategy and that some on the "normal" right will grow tired of losing elections in the name of containment and would rather win them with the votes of "deplorables".

My other, purely anecdotal and biased, impression : if things don't change for the better in France in the upcoming mandate, Marine Le Pen has a real shot at the presidency in 2022 (she's only 48 years old, her niece 27). Since the presidential mandate has been shortened to 5 years and tied to the election for the National Assembly (which happens shortly after), she would in all likeliness be able to have the biggest bloc in the Assembly if not a majority. The level of diffuse exasperation of the population with government is really, really high already. The (socio-)economic model is depressed and prospects need to get more positive real fast : I don't think it's a coincidence than most of the major candidates are running with somewhat radical platforms (Fillon : Thatcherite deregulation, Macron : a pseudo Scandinavian flexi-security model, Hamon : Universal income, Mélenchon : A new constitution for a social republic).

TLDR : LOL France
Reuters has the election manifesto
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15J0GB?il=0
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« Reply #2870 on: February 05, 2017, 08:53:56 AM »
Listening to political commentary here and Fillon is probably toasted.
His party's MP were back in their electoral district this weekend for a massive distribution of leaflets for the election and the feedback is pretty bad : a lot of hostile reactions.
Of course the party is in a difficult position, as Fillon was designated in an open primary : whoever they would replace him with wouldn't have that kind of legitimacy. Most obvious solution is taking Juppé (though his score in the primary runoff was a clear loss) but he's playing a bit of theater and wants to be called instead of throwing himself in. There's really not a lot of credible alternatives except Sarkozy, and his judicial baggage is far worse...
Of course the longer he is refusing to step down, the shorter a replacement would have to actually campaign (election is in 77 days). This whole hubbub has sucked the air out of any debate for the last 13 days.

Another telling thing I didn't think about but was said in the radio debate I was listening to : since the beginning, Fillon has been outraged at a so called conspiracy but never once did he comment about the substance of the work his wife has done for him which is the fact of the matter (that she was employed and paid wages has been plainly established).
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« Reply #2871 on: February 05, 2017, 01:28:39 PM »
Lol @ Tusk.
Only thing he has going for him is that he's not Van Rompuy

tusk is alright man

Of all the countries in Europe, I can't think of many where it's more inexcusable than Poland to be a politician and anti-refugee, which Tusk is.

He sometimes says things that makes you wonder what the world would be like if Poland had actually become a global embodiment of solidarity after 1990, which is what that quote I posted is an example of.

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« Reply #2872 on: February 05, 2017, 01:42:57 PM »
Listening to political commentary here and Fillon is probably toasted.
His party's MP were back in their electoral district this weekend for a massive distribution of leaflets for the election and the feedback is pretty bad : a lot of hostile reactions.
Of course the party is in a difficult position, as Fillon was designated in an open primary : whoever they would replace him with wouldn't have that kind of legitimacy. Most obvious solution is taking Juppé (though his score in the primary runoff was a clear loss) but he's playing a bit of theater and wants to be called instead of throwing himself in. There's really not a lot of credible alternatives except Sarkozy, and his judicial baggage is far worse...
Of course the longer he is refusing to step down, the shorter a replacement would have to actually campaign (election is in 77 days). This whole hubbub has sucked the air out of any debate for the last 13 days.

Another telling thing I didn't think about but was said in the radio debate I was listening to : since the beginning, Fillon has been outraged at a so called conspiracy but never once did he comment about the substance of the work his wife has done for him which is the fact of the matter (that she was employed and paid wages has been plainly established).

So.... is Le pen actually going to win?

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« Reply #2873 on: February 05, 2017, 01:53:40 PM »
Did the Quebec terrorist get a lot of attention in France? Positive or negative?

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« Reply #2874 on: February 05, 2017, 04:27:14 PM »
So.... is Le Pen actually going to win?

Fillon freefall seems to mostly benefit Macron at this point.
I am also cautiously optimistic (and going by FN history and polls) that not 50% of french voters are ready to embrace this shit yet.
There will surely be a surge for the opposing candidate, if Le Pen is in the runoff, in name of the so called "Republican Front" though probably a weaker one than in 2002. A lot of leftist voters are still sore in the ass from voting Chirac and I suspect quite a few right wing ones won't return the favor.

Keep in mind however it's a fairly eventful and unpredictable election : Voters in some shape or form sent into the bin the incumbent president Hollande, his last major prime minister Valls, his one term predecessor Sarkozy, Juppé (and by extension Chirac). Add to that the sustained surprise of Macron's bid and now the supposed frontrunner being dead in the water and his party in a pickle (do you really want to run Juppé when it's obvious people are tired of old faces ?) and it's hard to have any certainty.

Did the Quebec terrorist get a lot of attention in France? Positive or negative?

I'm not really in my local media cycle but I don't think it got a lot of play. The Fillon affair, presidential election Trump circus and the Louvre agression dominated airtime.

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« Reply #2875 on: February 05, 2017, 06:01:23 PM »
Did the Quebec terrorist get a lot of attention in France? Positive or negative?
eiffel tower lit up and im sure people changed their FB profile pics
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« Reply #2876 on: February 05, 2017, 06:08:29 PM »
Did the Quebec terrorist get a lot of attention in France? Positive or negative?
eiffel tower lit up and im sure people changed their FB profile pics

They shut down the lights of the Eiffel tower actually but yeah.

EDIT :
If I am to believe the French office head of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Germans are making  :omg faces at some of the debates in France over Europe, especially Hamon's rather casual handwave of Maastricht guidelines of a 3% deficit.

A journalist at Le Monde was also saying that Northern Europeans were  :wtf in a recent get together at the whole Fillon affair, one Swedish counterpart asking if there was even any vetting beforehand (hint : No).

EDIT 2 :
The leaflets I mentioned earlier that were distributed by Fillon's party -that I thought were standard "vote for us" fare- were actually reading :
"Stop the manhunt !" (...)
"Enough is enough !" (...)
"The masks are off : the left, in all of its forms, only has one objective now : to stop the sole candidate able to defeat it and Marine Le Pen"

They printed 4 millions (!)
No wonder citizens gave MP a mouthful :neogaf
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« Reply #2877 on: February 06, 2017, 04:56:20 AM »
Meanwhile...

Mass demonstrations in Romania against the newly-elected government which had the weird idea to try to pass a decree to ease anti-corruption laws (because of the strain on overpopulated prisons, among other justifications). Decree was withdrawn but the protests keep going.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-romania-government-idUSKBN15L0OK?il=0

Protests too in Spain as the former head of the Catalonia region is on trial for trying to push a consultative referendum on separatism. Catalan independence has long been a thing and the chance of a breakup are fairly real.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia-idUSKBN15L0V3?il=0

Apparently quite a few social media postings were deleted in China, all pertaining to the mysterious vanishing of one of the country's richest men in an Hong Kong hotel a week ago. Speculation of a kidnapping and of Chinese involvement on HK's soil, which is still supposed to enjoy a fair bit of autonomy frommainland.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-billionaire-socialmedia-idUSKBN15L0LJ
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« Reply #2878 on: February 07, 2017, 04:22:52 AM »
Fillon did a press conference yesterday to play us some sad violin. Excuses, regrets (to have used ambiguous practices from the past) and he will disclose some of his personal estate fillings. Claims his wife did work but very discreetly. None of it really mitigates the suspicions.

What's clear is that he won't step down. Hubris of almost tasting supreme success two weeks ago and being incapable to let go of his last shot at this, I'd guess...
Besides Trump got elected, so the odds of the voters having the memory of a goldfish are up and rising.
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