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Amanpour Taking 'This Week' Job On ABC
Christina Bellantoni | March 18, 2010, 3:37PM
   
Longtime CNN foreign correspondent Christiane Amanpour will become the new anchor on ABC's political Sunday Show "This Week," the network announced this afternoon. She replaces former host George Stephanopoulos, who joined ABC's "Good Morning America" show.

In an email, ABC News president David Westin told the network's staff that Amanpour will begin in August. "A highly respected journalist recognized around the world for her reporting, she brings to her new position a wealth of experience and knowledge, as well as a deep commitment to bringing news of the world to the American people," Westin wrote.

The network also posted the details here.

Amanpour's CNN colleague Wolf Blitzer tweeted his congratulations. "I want to wish Christiane Amanpour all the best as she gets ready to leave CNN for ABC News," he wrote.

ABC's White House correspondent Jake Tapper will remain as the interim "This Week" host until she begins.
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I wonder how long until she has President McCain on.
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Amanpour Taking 'This Week' Job On ABC
Christina Bellantoni | March 18, 2010, 3:37PM
   
Longtime CNN foreign correspondent Christiane Amanpour will become the new anchor on ABC's political Sunday Show "This Week," the network announced this afternoon. She replaces former host George Stephanopoulos, who joined ABC's "Good Morning America" show.

In an email, ABC News president David Westin told the network's staff that Amanpour will begin in August. "A highly respected journalist recognized around the world for her reporting, she brings to her new position a wealth of experience and knowledge, as well as a deep commitment to bringing news of the world to the American people," Westin wrote.

The network also posted the details here.

Amanpour's CNN colleague Wolf Blitzer tweeted his congratulations. "I want to wish Christiane Amanpour all the best as she gets ready to leave CNN for ABC News," he wrote.

ABC's White House correspondent Jake Tapper will remain as the interim "This Week" host until she begins.


Sadly I'm willing to bet they will drag her down to the usual shitty level of Sunday news shows. But I agree. That is one of the rare bits of good news regarding news I've seen in a long time.

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It would be awesome if everyone on NBC's roster other than Maddow died in a fire and they were forced to use her on MtP.  Gawd Gregory sucks balls.
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If today doesn't prove the tv media isn't left leaning, I don't know what will. I don't even have cable and have still seen multiple stories along the lines of "is the CBO credible? Does the bill really lower the deficit? Americans don't believe the CBO. etc." It's beyond baffling seeing talking heads carry water for republicans. Today should have been a day of grown ups laughing at the children. Instead all I've seen are questions about what the CBO score "really" means, back door deals, procedural trickery, etc.

It shouldn't be hard to tell this thing is almost over.
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Mandark, even if he's wrong about the actual procedure of reconciliation, his thesis on a number of Dems, including Obama himself, not wanting to actually support the PO, and just put on a show isn't too far off the mark, is it?

No, cause his thesis rests on framing the question as "Do they want a public health insurance option to exist?"* and treating votes and legislative haggling as if they reveal the pure end-state preferences of the people involved.  Obama hasn't treated the PO like a primary goal, much less sine qua non for health reform, therefor he must secretly oppose its existence.

Look, every Democrat in the Senate and most of them in the House voted for very similar bills.  That doesn't mean this is the bill they all wanted.  It means it's the bill they were all willing to settle for, given a bunch of different and overlapping incentives, and what they could guess about each other's behavior.  No way does Bernie Sanders imagine an ideal health care distribution system the same way Ben Nelson does, but they both voted Aye.

More likely explanation is that Obama prefers a PO to no PO, but considers it a low priority compared to other aspects of reform, and thus is willing to jettison it for better odds of passing the larger bill.  Maybe you disagree with that judgment strongly, but the scenario's a lot simpler than Obama and his corporate masters at AHIP pulling some complicated double-reverse.

For figuring out what all the maneuvering means, I'd recommend Jonathan Bernstein's blog.  I'm gonna keep pimping it here until I see other people quoting his posts.

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*Actually, the question for Greenwald goes something like "Is he one of us, or is he a bad guy?"  I'm being kind of mean to him, but the dude is getting deep into the dolchstoss narrative and it grates on me cause I expect him, unlike your average Red State poster, to know better.
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nah, dems are fucked. just a question of how much bleeding they'll do. I don't see how they don't lose at least 20 seats in the house, and a couple senate seats. but overall they'll probably keep control in both
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Looking at the Senate, I expect them to lose in Arkansas, Nevada, North Dakota, Indiana, and probably Delaware sadly.  Might also lose in Colorado and maaaaybe Pennsylvania.  These could potentially be offset by wins in Ohio, New Hampshire, Missouri and if they're really lucky Kentucky and North Carolina.  All depends on how much unemployment goes down between now and then and if anyone actually notices that omg, we haven't suddenly woken up in a godless socialist distopia or whatever is supposed to have happened.
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What a farce this whole process has been. I've become completely disenchanted with public office as a result, rapidly leaning towards the apathy my brother and many of his peers have for government.

I went through this during Clinton's second term, when I read some pieces about the legislative process and for the first time realized how selfish, parochial, and outright dumb our elected officials can be.  That got compounded by the farce of an impeachment trial.

Apathy just lets them get away with more bullshit, though.  Activism is pretty Sisyphean by nature, but you have to remember that it's important because of the people who are affected by the government, not because of the people who run the government.

It's an ugly process, but it's the only one we've got and the results do matter.
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well fucking said Mandark.

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I'm going to celebrate HCR's passing on Sunday by drinking champagne in a 2 person hot tub with my wife in a castle overlooking Seneca lake.

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Actually, I was going to be doing that anyway. But it makes it just that much sweeter.
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Peggy Noonan is so high on beltway ganja this video is staggering
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/anthony-weiner-smacks-down-peggy-noonan-on-health-care.php?ref=fpb

She's like a parody character from The Daily Show, seriously

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The followup segment is the ultimate :smug
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789//vp/35946508#35946508

"it's like the civil rights bill lol, where lbj said you get yer rights...in 1974 amirite :smug"
"yea cuz the bill doesn't go into effect until 2014 amirite :smug"
"should have done everything in reconciliation amirite :smug"
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Jesus

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and you just know his shitheel constituents will eat that up
« Last Edit: March 19, 2010, 03:35:47 PM by Mamacint »
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nah, dems are fucked. just a question of how much bleeding they'll do. I don't see how they don't lose at least 20 seats in the house, and a couple senate seats. but overall they'll probably keep control in both

Every mid-term election usually has a big swing towards the other way. It's tradition.

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Yea, and like previous losses, they'll be blamed on some scapegoat. This time: health care.

It would be interesting if dems lost like 20 seats in the house say 3-4 senate seats while gaining 1-2. I'd love to see the media and republican response to that.
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The 2010 election is too far away for the health insurance debate to be a major factor.  It sounds pretty unlikely for a candidate to dig up some 6 month old talking points when people are likely going to be most concerned about the economy by then.

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Would you agree that republicans will be coming out due to health care (among other things), whereas independents will be more concerned with the economy? The bill certainly isn't going to fuck people over for months, so it's on their mind daily as they count the days down to November. Hell many small business owners and seniors will be pretty happy with the bill by then. I think the benefits will be easier to spot for many people, whereas with the stimulus it was harder for people to see something that didn't happen (economic collapse). Unless they were in the construction business.

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If this goes through and Harry Reid gives a good shot at the public option it could reinvigorate Dem voters. Who knows.

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lol i'd bet money they don't touch the public option

I wish they would have just tried Grayson's Medican expansion idea. I'd imagine that could pass through the senate with at least 50 votes
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Would you agree that republicans will be coming out due to health care (among other things), whereas independents will be more concerned with the economy?
I think some repubs will try to act like they gave a fuck when they inevitably get questioned about how they voted on healtchare reform but everybody's only going to really care about the economy.  There's no magic issue that will grab every American's vote but people most likely won't trust themselves to vote based on healthcare reform from 6 months ago since they probably will have forgotten most of the facts.

I'd love to see Tea Baggers cannibalize some of the redder states and become more aggressive tho.  They would be too small to matter but big enough to screw the republicans.

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The economy will drive the 2010 elections.  The better the economy does this year, the fewer seats the Democrats will lose.  The people running around screaming that Obama is a "socialest" were never going to vote for him anyway.  Instead, it is going to come down to the independents and apathetic Democrats and whether they'll go the polls at all this fall, let alone vote for Democratic incumbents.
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Stupak's finished.

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Too bad I don't live in that bastard's district to help vote him out
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what kind of district does he represent?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan%27s_1st_congressional_district

$34,000 medium income. So he'll be voting against his constituents best interests, not that he cares
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Funny story, Stupak is actually Michael Moore's congresscritter and could have been mind if I'd moved to Traverse City.
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Clyburn: I heard people saying things today I've not heard since Mar 15th, 1960 when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus.
http://twitter.com/RussertXM_NBC/status/10789565455

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/tea-partiers-call-lewis-nr-frank-ft-at-capitol-hill-protest.php?ref=fpb

Keeping it classy
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so is this shit passing? Stooge on GAF seems to be confident.

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how much are they likely to get to pass anyways?

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so is this shit passing? Stooge on GAF seems to be confident.

pretty sure it's gonna happen at this point.  preferably without having to get Stupak and his last couple dead enders on board, cause fuck that dude.
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Clyburn: I heard people saying things today I've not heard since Mar 15th, 1960 when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus.
http://twitter.com/RussertXM_NBC/status/10789565455

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/tea-partiers-call-lewis-nr-frank-ft-at-capitol-hill-protest.php?ref=fpb

Keeping it classy
I'm actually really impressed that a bunch of white crackers have the cojones to toss around the N word in DC., shouldn't at least some of them have been vicously murdered by the majority black population of the town they shoved aside to protest improved medical care for America?  Hell, I'm white and I would have felt justified turning a fire hose on the crowd, just for irony's sake.

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Glad that old white codgers aren't going to be the one determining a woman's right to choose on a goddamn health insurance plan.

I just wonder, what happened to the people who opposed social security and medicare. Now that people use and depend on them, aren't they going to be the same ones 10-20 years from now (if they live long enough) who need and make use of it and love it?

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trig palin tweet, 2030: dont want guvmunt messing wth my obamacare
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The Tea Party people represent the heart and soul of America!


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Goddam.  PD just made the exact same point I was going to, and in a much more succinct and clever way than I would have.

I should just hang up my forum boots now.

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The Tea Party people represent the heart and soul of America!

Sadly, this is mostly true. 
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Also suck it liberals. Cindy Sheehan just nailed your failed messiah!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/thousands-protest-in-dc-f_n_507159.html

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so is this shit passing? Stooge on GAF seems to be confident.
pretty sure it's gonna happen at this point.  preferably without having to get Stupak and his last couple dead enders on board, cause fuck that dude.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pelos-no-separate-vote-for-stupak.php

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House Democratic leadership has apparently told Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) to go take a hike--and they'll move forward without him, or any other anti-abortion Dems threatening to switch their votes from 'yes' to 'no.'

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so is this shit passing? Stooge on GAF seems to be confident.
pretty sure it's gonna happen at this point.  preferably without having to get Stupak and his last couple dead enders on board, cause fuck that dude.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pelos-no-separate-vote-for-stupak.php

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House Democratic leadership has apparently told Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) to go take a hike--and they'll move forward without him, or any other anti-abortion Dems threatening to switch their votes from 'yes' to 'no.'

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I haven't been to church in 5 months due to the absolute hostility and distinguished mentally-challenged during homilies. The catholic church has been forcing the 'kill the bill' narrative down our throats. Absolutely disgusting how much an agenda these people have. Then they go and rape little children.


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*lapsed Catholic*

honestly, the institution is hanging on by such bare threads I'll love just watching it evaporate

*can't speak about it's status in latin america, might still be going strong

** prolly big enough to keep it's rome base intact but LOLOLOL will enjoy watching it wither

*was burdened with taking his crazy aunt to church in an hour and a half*
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Michael Steele is a black Michael Scott.

Real talk.

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I haven't been to church in 5 months due to the absolute hostility and distinguished mentally-challenged during homilies. The catholic church has been forcing the 'kill the bill' narrative down our throats. Absolutely disgusting how much an agenda these people have. Then they go and rape little children.



Where do you live? I've never been to a Catholic church that opposed government aid to the poor. But I'm in NY

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NY also Admiral.

Maybe your priest is less conservative. For awhile it was weeks of anti abortion homilies.
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Stupak's a yes.

America has Health-Care in t-minus 5 hours(?!)

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Does the Senate have to scrounge up 60 votes to pass the House's changes, or are they going to do that by reconciliation?

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Does the Senate have to scrounge up 60 votes to pass the House's changes, or are they going to do that by reconciliation?

Reconciliation.  And by my understanding, the President can go ahead and sign the shitty Senate bill into law as soon as the House passes it, then can sign the changes after the Senate passes them through reconciliation. 

Suck it down, 'pubs.  SUCK. IT. DOWN.
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I haven't been to church in 5 months due to the absolute hostility and distinguished mentally-challenged during homilies. The catholic church has been forcing the 'kill the bill' narrative down our throats. Absolutely disgusting how much an agenda these people have. Then they go and rape little children.



Where do you live? I've never been to a Catholic church that opposed government aid to the poor. But I'm in NY

The US Conference of Catholic Bishops is actively opposing the bill on antiabortion grounds.  The nuns support it, though.

I've got an older relative who's thinking of leaving the church because her parish has moved so far to the right, or at least the priest is being much more blunt about it now.  There's definitely some conflict among Catholics about whether the traditional social justice issues should remain a priority or whether they should take a backseat to the sexual morality stuff.

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Does the Senate have to scrounge up 60 votes to pass the House's changes, or are they going to do that by reconciliation?

Reconciliation.  And by my understanding, the President can go ahead and sign the shitty Senate bill into law as soon as the House passes it, then can sign the changes after the Senate passes them through reconciliation. 

Suck it down, 'pubs.  SUCK. IT. DOWN.

yep, tea party is going to become T.T party lolz
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How much clearer can it be that the bill is not some massive abortion giveaway? Dunno what's up with Stupak and these priests :piss2
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It must seriously piss off certain members of the internet political community to see all these fair-weathers show up again to celebrate once there's good news. 

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Cheebs in 3...2...1..
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the BEST BEST part is not having to endure cheeb's triumphalism over a totally pyrrhic victory -- the bill sucks ass as far as real reform goes, with its only upside being the blown minds of teabaggers and maybe ending recission
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I go to HuffPost: huge-ass pro-HC picture, Dems = Saints etc.

So I go to Drudge: typical anti-HC picture, Reps = Saviours etc.

Is there any place for non-biased US political news on the internet?


Probably CNN.com. They tend to play it down the middle.


But as far as a pure aggregator of news links and opinion blogs? They are all biased to various degrees.

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Cheebs is probably getting crunkd TONITE
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I go to HuffPost: huge-ass pro-HC picture, Dems = Saints etc.

So I go to Drudge: typical anti-HC picture, Reps = Saviours etc.

Is there any place for non-biased US political news on the internet?

http://www.newsmax.com/

So, it passed?

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that's that LOL