The PS4 has sold three times the amount of the Xbox One in Europe, according to Sony exec Jim Ryan. "It's been pleasing that in North America, we've been 2-to-1 against Xbox,"
Coming out of the PS4 as the clear winner, some feel like 'arrogant' Sony is back.
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At this point I'm happy to play wait and see. Neither console is offering anything compelling and both are absurdly priced. I don't really care much for AAA bullshit or Sony's interactive movies, so their appeal is very limited.Bought an RTX 3060 notebook for an employee the other day. She can play pretty much anything now. I told her battery life would be an issue but she believed the 4 - 6 hours from the specs :trumps
My laptop is well past its replacement date and I'm thinking a mid-range gaming PC might be the best solution once it shits itself.
Until then, Switch and PS4 are still satisfying my gaming habits.
SIMP.At this point I'm happy to play wait and see. Neither console is offering anything compelling and both are absurdly priced. I don't really care much for AAA bullshit or Sony's interactive movies, so their appeal is very limited.Bought an RTX 3060 notebook for an employee the other day. She can play pretty much anything now. I told her battery life would be an issue but she believed the 4 - 6 hours from the specs :trumps
My laptop is well past its replacement date and I'm thinking a mid-range gaming PC might be the best solution once it shits itself.
Until then, Switch and PS4 are still satisfying my gaming habits.
It's called working from home. I'd rather have her productive with a decent setup than dropping out of ZOOM or Discord when screen sharing with more than 2 people. :dogeSIMP.At this point I'm happy to play wait and see. Neither console is offering anything compelling and both are absurdly priced. I don't really care much for AAA bullshit or Sony's interactive movies, so their appeal is very limited.Bought an RTX 3060 notebook for an employee the other day. She can play pretty much anything now. I told her battery life would be an issue but she believed the 4 - 6 hours from the specs :trumps
My laptop is well past its replacement date and I'm thinking a mid-range gaming PC might be the best solution once it shits itself.
Until then, Switch and PS4 are still satisfying my gaming habits.
Rooting for MS. Sony needs to be humbled. Nintendo has done a great job in making themselves the platform for Japanese exclusives, something Sony doesn't care about anymore, which gave them much leeway over MS. Now all MS has to do is take their western game lunch and outflank them. They're doing a good job instilling good will with gamers while Sony is cashing that shit in as if at a pawn shop. Sony deserves to be humbled. They think they are owed service but have done jack and shit to sell the Ps5 as a system besides brand power.
I say this as someone with a vast PlayStation collection which apparently PlayStation thinks doesn't count for much. Fuck them.
Nintendo is peak anti-consumer right now,
Nintendo is peak anti-consumer right now,
Right now? Nintendo's been peak anti-consumer since the NES...
Really taking a wait and see approach. I'll probably default to PS5 again since even though Sony killed their Japanese first parties, I don't see the mid-sized Japanese third parties that made the PS4 so enticing (and whose games I mostly am interested in) moving away from Sony. Falcom in particular. Also, Sony owns Evo so that'll ensure the fighting game genre is dominant on PS5, and FF16/7r are coming as timed exclusives.
I do have to say that the Series X is much more enticing than the One ever was. I really like MS actually attempting to respect their legacy with their BC, even if overall their legacy doesn't appeal to me the way Sony's and Nintendo's do. And Phil S seems to be intent on fixing the largest criticisms of the Mattrick era - namely the lack of exclusives. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried the early 360 era of moneyhatting Japanese games again (my favorite period ever in Xbox history). Say, Lost Odyssey 2 and an exclusive Tales game would be fry_shutupandtakemymoney.gif
Do we know the PS5 vs Series X sales ratio at this point? I haven't seen anything. Anecdotal evidence for me is that the PS5 has a lot more hype with the casual fanbase.
Microsoft is future proofing Xbox as a whole, Nintendo has the best and most first party games combined with a form factor people love, Sony is reliant on their biggest first party games and brand recognition to carry their platform.
All three will coexist this gen and all will be successful. Sony's handling of it's older libraries and software stuff as a whole has been pretty shitty, but that isn't affecting them with short term stuff. Long term, they will most likely suffer some consequences.
If games like Elden Ring are day 1 Game Pass games, but cost $60 for the PS5 version, stuff like that is gonna hurt Sony more and more as time goes on.
Switch getting Rise was a natural outcome of Sony contractually locking Nintendo out of getting World when they gave Capcom cash for that back in the day. There was no way the dominant "portable" system in Japan wasn't getting a MH game, and I'm sure Capcom told Sony as such lol.
So because of Sony, instead of Switch getting a late, graphically inferior port of World that few people cared about, it's getting a buzzy console exclusive with all new monsters and mechanics, and is seen internally as Monster Hunter 6. I wonder if Sony has reflected and realized they were being shortsighted with that Capcom deal ("we don't care about Microsoft, just don't let Nintendo have it.")
(The Sony/Capcom stuff is rumor/speculation I should say.)
Agree with the rest of your post. :)
Nintendo is peak anti-consumer right now,
Right now? Nintendo's been peak anti-consumer since the NES...
Sony? Exclusives? Pretty much every game that interests me isn't exclusive to PS.
Nintendo makes games that you don't have to just press up to beat.
We should’ve known Sony was headed into the dumpster as soon as they began putting euros in lead positions. I mean, look at the kind of janky and floaty platformers they used to make on their amigas and whatnot. They were a harbinger of doom to come.
Nintendo must be doing something right, if they were the smelliest and most sickly dog in the room, 70 million Switches wouldn't have been sold. If you wanna guage the actual man babies, it would be anyone that bought a Wii-U.
Nintendo must be doing something right, if they were the smelliest and most sickly dog in the room, 70 million Switches wouldn't have been sold. If you wanna guage the actual man babies, it would be anyone that bought a Wii-U.
Good for their marketing team. Doesn't change the reality that you won't be playing big mainline 3rd party Japanese games on Switch in the years to come, just like you couldn't in the last four years. Because apparently publishers view it as a port dumpster, while the main teams at FROM, Square, Capcom, etc. who did PS4/Bone games seem to continue doing next gen development, only now dropping a side game like Rise for a change.
The Gamecube was down to $100 by late 2003 and you could buy the most popular games for $20 if they had the Player's Choice label.
Nintendo must be doing something right, if they were the smelliest and most sickly dog in the room, 70 million Switches wouldn't have been sold. If you wanna guage the actual man babies, it would be anyone that bought a Wii-U.
Good for their marketing team. Doesn't change the reality that you won't be playing big mainline 3rd party Japanese games on Switch in the years to come, just like you couldn't in the last four years. Because apparently publishers view it as a port dumpster, while the main teams at FROM, Square, Capcom, etc. who did PS4/Bone games seem to continue doing next gen development, only now dropping a side game like Rise for a change.
This seems like an issue for Switch only owners that, for some reason, are expecting ports of mainline games to come out even if a Switch version is never announced.
Why do you think the Switch is successful? Has Nintendo done absolutely nothing right in your opinion, and somehow fell into global success due to.....what exactly?
The Gamecube was down to $100 by late 2003 and you could buy the most popular games for $20 if they had the Player's Choice label.
That was when I grabbed a Gamecube and shitton of games for cheap. I was pretty stunned when I got a Switch and all the three year old games were still $60. RIP Players Choice.
Sony? Exclusives? Pretty much every game that interests me isn't exclusive to PS.:comeon
Nintendo makes games that you don't have to just press up to beat.
Sony? Exclusives? Pretty much every game that interests me isn't exclusive to PS.:comeon
Nintendo makes games that you don't have to just press up to beat.
Nintendo must be doing something right, if they were the smelliest and most sickly dog in the room, 70 million Switches wouldn't have been sold. If you wanna guage the actual man babies, it would be anyone that bought a Wii-U.
Good for their marketing team. Doesn't change the reality that you won't be playing big mainline 3rd party Japanese games on Switch in the years to come, just like you couldn't in the last four years. Because apparently publishers view it as a port dumpster, while the main teams at FROM, Square, Capcom, etc. who did PS4/Bone games seem to continue doing next gen development, only now dropping a side game like Rise for a change.
If you mean playing the latest Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Nier, Nioh, Sekiro, or even small shit like Yakuza, etc., then that doesn't seem to be happening.
Microsoft doesn’t make games I care about
Microsoft published Doom Eternal. The best FPS I've played in years, would love to see Sony's attempt at publishing a game like that.
Trust me, buying Bethesda, I company who’s output I don’t give a shit about, isn’t changing anything.Microsoft doesn’t make games I care about
Yet
Microsoft published Doom Eternal. The best FPS I've played in years, would love to see Sony's attempt at publishing a game like that.Sure fits the MS mo of buying somebody else’s work and taking credit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_Switch-only_games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_Switch-only_games)
Looks like the Switch that has no games had more exclusives so far than the PS4?
The advantage of the PS4 is sony will bribe companies to guarantee that your friends on PC have to wait six months :heartI feel this is Sony's shtick lately, and it totally works for me. Getting first call on a release is a big deal to a lot. Death Stranding, FFVIIR, REVII(VR)... There's a bunch of folks that don't care and would rather wait for the "superior" PC version, and that's fine, but getting a chance to play a bigger named title first elsewhere is kinda awesome. They may not be buying up studios and destroying them like MS, let them money hat certain titles.
The biggest strength of PS4 was you didn't have to care about exclusives, because it simply had every relevant game of its time, mostly guaranteed day1. Monster Hunter World released also on Bone, but way late on PC. Nier on PC, but like a year late on Bone. Yakuza only 3 years later on Bone. Other variations of split releases for Nioh, Crash Bandicoot, etc. Get a PS4 and you didn't need to ever care about that. I was surprised browsing Amazon and seeing even games I thought were exclusive to PC or Switch or whatever actually being silent multiplats too. When MS showed many interesting games a few years ago at E3, it was like, thanks for the great PS4 lineup.
Other things were released PS4/Switch, PC/PS4, or in other combinations, but it almost always contained PS4 last gen if it wasn't 1st party. If you wanted to have last gen in a single library, you get a PS4.
Microsoft doesn’t make games I care about
Yet
Microsoft published Doom Eternal. The best FPS I've played in years, would love to see Sony's attempt at publishing a game like that.Sure fits the MS mo of buying somebody else’s work and taking credit.
The biggest strength of PS4 was you didn't have to care about exclusives, because it simply had every relevant game of its time, mostly guaranteed day1. Monster Hunter World released also on Bone, but way late on PC. Nier on PC, but like a year late on Bone. Yakuza only 3 years later on Bone. Other variations of split releases for Nioh, Crash Bandicoot, etc. Get a PS4 and you didn't need to ever care about that. I was surprised browsing Amazon and seeing even games I thought were exclusive to PC or Switch or whatever actually being silent multiplats too. When MS showed many interesting games a few years ago at E3, it was like, thanks for the great PS4 lineup.
Other things were released PS4/Switch, PC/PS4, or in other combinations, but it almost always contained PS4 last gen if it wasn't 1st party. If you wanted to have last gen in a single library, you get a PS4.
Pretty sure we've had this discussion already- when I look back at the games I own or owned on PS4, the vast majority are all available on PS3, Vita, Xbox One, PC, and/or Switch. I could have not owned a PS4 and played just about everything I would have wanted to. The exceptions are pretty much the few Sony-published games I care about, like Uncharted. Unsure if those games are on PS Now. If they are, then that's irrelevant too.
The one single platform that has massively improved in terms of its library "competing" with other platforms is PC. The last 10 years especially have seen things change quite a bit and now it's normal for console games to see PC releases. "Exclusive" console games also come out on PC.
Seriously, what exclusives besides Bloodborne? Persona 5? Uncharted 4? The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that.
It ran games better than Xbone and that's about it. But most games were on other systems.
Looking forward to SaGa Frontier HD, which is coming out on ps4. Oh wait, I'm getting that on my Swtich.
The only reason people settled with ps4 was because the used game shit that turned the tide away from Xbone, which at the time was seen at the system projected to get. But most games on ps4 are on other platforms. The only reason we went with ps4 was because it was convenient. Console gaming is convenient.
Seriously, what exclusives besides Bloodborne? Persona 5? Uncharted 4? The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that.
It ran games better than Xbone and that's about it. But most games were on other systems.
Looking forward to SaGa Frontier HD, which is coming out on ps4. Oh wait, I'm getting that on my Swtich.
The only reason people settled with ps4 was because the used game shit that turned the tide away from Xbone, which at the time was seen at the system projected to get. But most games on ps4 are on other platforms. The only reason we went with ps4 was because it was convenient. Console gaming is convenient.
Winning the goodwill back is difficult though. Sony is making it easy for Microsoft right now though, they are making sll the right moves (and I dont see a lot of stupid ones, if any)
Seriously, what exclusives besides Bloodborne? Persona 5? Uncharted 4? The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that.
Console gaming is convenient.
In the end, I think ps4 might go down as most overrated system of all time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_4-only_games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_4-only_games)13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim
Which of these are the amazing exclusives PS4 actually had? Exclusive wise all consoles have been pretty slim pickings the last generation.
Yes, because nobody else ever does this. :brainI mean Sony and Nintendo have seemingly built a first-party, unlike MS who just decided to buy Bethesda and several mediocre developers. I also don't remember going into this gen thinking Xbox was the system to get. What I remember was that Sony had gained a lot of momentum thanks to its first-party offerings. Meanwhile, Xbox had thrown out having a first-party, got on the Kinect train, and relied on Call of Duty deals to keep the system exciting. Even without the used game shennagians. You had the awful TV stuff E3 showing and the general lack of "hardcore gaming" focus.
Pre-ordered Famicom Detective Club while Spieler was bitching about Nintendo.I definitely see this as the Switch... Mines only 4 weeks old and I can't bring myself to play it. Overwhelmed by my PS collection already.
Feels good to be a Nintendo fan. :)The biggest strength of PS4 was you didn't have to care about exclusives, because it simply had every relevant game of its time, mostly guaranteed day1. Monster Hunter World released also on Bone, but way late on PC. Nier on PC, but like a year late on Bone. Yakuza only 3 years later on Bone. Other variations of split releases for Nioh, Crash Bandicoot, etc. Get a PS4 and you didn't need to ever care about that. I was surprised browsing Amazon and seeing even games I thought were exclusive to PC or Switch or whatever actually being silent multiplats too. When MS showed many interesting games a few years ago at E3, it was like, thanks for the great PS4 lineup.
Other things were released PS4/Switch, PC/PS4, or in other combinations, but it almost always contained PS4 last gen if it wasn't 1st party. If you wanted to have last gen in a single library, you get a PS4.
Pretty sure we've had this discussion already- when I look back at the games I own or owned on PS4, the vast majority are all available on PS3, Vita, Xbox One, PC, and/or Switch. I could have not owned a PS4 and played just about everything I would have wanted to. The exceptions are pretty much the few Sony-published games I care about, like Uncharted. Unsure if those games are on PS Now. If they are, then that's irrelevant too.
The one single platform that has massively improved in terms of its library "competing" with other platforms is PC. The last 10 years especially have seen things change quite a bit and now it's normal for console games to see PC releases. "Exclusive" console games also come out on PC.
In the end, I think ps4 might go down as most overrated system of all time.
Also see that as the Switch... it's an old port dumping ground. With 9/10 of the time, being the inferior port.The biggest strength of PS4 was you didn't have to care about exclusives, because it simply had every relevant game of its time, mostly guaranteed day1. Monster Hunter World released also on Bone, but way late on PC. Nier on PC, but like a year late on Bone. Yakuza only 3 years later on Bone. Other variations of split releases for Nioh, Crash Bandicoot, etc. Get a PS4 and you didn't need to ever care about that. I was surprised browsing Amazon and seeing even games I thought were exclusive to PC or Switch or whatever actually being silent multiplats too. When MS showed many interesting games a few years ago at E3, it was like, thanks for the great PS4 lineup.
Other things were released PS4/Switch, PC/PS4, or in other combinations, but it almost always contained PS4 last gen if it wasn't 1st party. If you wanted to have last gen in a single library, you get a PS4.
Pretty sure we've had this discussion already- when I look back at the games I own or owned on PS4, the vast majority are all available on PS3, Vita, Xbox One, PC, and/or Switch. I could have not owned a PS4 and played just about everything I would have wanted to. The exceptions are pretty much the few Sony-published games I care about, like Uncharted. Unsure if those games are on PS Now. If they are, then that's irrelevant too.
The one single platform that has massively improved in terms of its library "competing" with other platforms is PC. The last 10 years especially have seen things change quite a bit and now it's normal for console games to see PC releases. "Exclusive" console games also come out on PC.
The biggest strength of PS4 was you didn't have to care about exclusives, because it simply had every relevant game of its time, mostly guaranteed day1. Monster Hunter World released also on Bone, but way late on PC. Nier on PC, but like a year late on Bone. Yakuza only 3 years later on Bone. Other variations of split releases for Nioh, Crash Bandicoot, etc. Get a PS4 and you didn't need to ever care about that. I was surprised browsing Amazon and seeing even games I thought were exclusive to PC or Switch or whatever actually being silent multiplats too. When MS showed many interesting games a few years ago at E3, it was like, thanks for the great PS4 lineup.
Other things were released PS4/Switch, PC/PS4, or in other combinations, but it almost always contained PS4 last gen if it wasn't 1st party. If you wanted to have last gen in a single library, you get a PS4.
Pretty sure we've had this discussion already- when I look back at the games I own or owned on PS4, the vast majority are all available on PS3, Vita, Xbox One, PC, and/or Switch. I could have not owned a PS4 and played just about everything I would have wanted to. The exceptions are pretty much the few Sony-published games I care about, like Uncharted. Unsure if those games are on PS Now. If they are, then that's irrelevant too.
The one single platform that has massively improved in terms of its library "competing" with other platforms is PC. The last 10 years especially have seen things change quite a bit and now it's normal for console games to see PC releases. "Exclusive" console games also come out on PC.
The biggest strength of PS4 was you didn't have to care about exclusives, because it simply had every relevant game of its time, mostly guaranteed day1. Monster Hunter World released also on Bone, but way late on PC. Nier on PC, but like a year late on Bone. Yakuza only 3 years later on Bone. Other variations of split releases for Nioh, Crash Bandicoot, etc. Get a PS4 and you didn't need to ever care about that. I was surprised browsing Amazon and seeing even games I thought were exclusive to PC or Switch or whatever actually being silent multiplats too. When MS showed many interesting games a few years ago at E3, it was like, thanks for the great PS4 lineup.
Other things were released PS4/Switch, PC/PS4, or in other combinations, but it almost always contained PS4 last gen if it wasn't 1st party. If you wanted to have last gen in a single library, you get a PS4.
Pretty sure we've had this discussion already- when I look back at the games I own or owned on PS4, the vast majority are all available on PS3, Vita, Xbox One, PC, and/or Switch. I could have not owned a PS4 and played just about everything I would have wanted to. The exceptions are pretty much the few Sony-published games I care about, like Uncharted. Unsure if those games are on PS Now. If they are, then that's irrelevant too.
The one single platform that has massively improved in terms of its library "competing" with other platforms is PC. The last 10 years especially have seen things change quite a bit and now it's normal for console games to see PC releases. "Exclusive" console games also come out on PC.
Likewise, PC centric games have been coming out for consoles since last gen. PC as a platform still has the most exclusives (literally thousands of free or cheap indie games exist and get released all the time), but every platform has tons of games.
If you told people Planescape Torment and Sim strategy games will be coming out on a Nintendo console during the 360/Wii/PS3 generation, people would scoff at that and wouldn't believe it.
There's good reasons to own any platform.
Yeah. Right now I'm going to get a ps5 because I never had a ps4 pro and I still haven't played some games from last gen.
These days if you heavy into of gaming there's only reason to get one console between PS/XB and the Nintendo system on the side. I don't see the benefit of the multi console thing we grew up on.
The funny thing about Sony is that unlike Microsoft they've got a vast catalog of riches to tap into and they're doing jack shit. They could easily revive Jet Moto, Mark of the Kri, modernize Parappa to take advantage of raps modern ubiquity, revive Jak or Sly for the kids.
They have so many options to make their system worth owning and unique. .
I think Sony treats its library, history, and legacy with less respect than Sega does theirs. It's truly pathetic lmao.
Pre-ordered Famicom Detective Club while Spieler was bitching about Nintendo.I definitely see this as the Switch... Mines only 4 weeks old and I can't bring myself to play it. Overwhelmed by my PS collection already.
Feels good to be a Nintendo fan. :)The biggest strength of PS4 was you didn't have to care about exclusives, because it simply had every relevant game of its time, mostly guaranteed day1. Monster Hunter World released also on Bone, but way late on PC. Nier on PC, but like a year late on Bone. Yakuza only 3 years later on Bone. Other variations of split releases for Nioh, Crash Bandicoot, etc. Get a PS4 and you didn't need to ever care about that. I was surprised browsing Amazon and seeing even games I thought were exclusive to PC or Switch or whatever actually being silent multiplats too. When MS showed many interesting games a few years ago at E3, it was like, thanks for the great PS4 lineup.
Other things were released PS4/Switch, PC/PS4, or in other combinations, but it almost always contained PS4 last gen if it wasn't 1st party. If you wanted to have last gen in a single library, you get a PS4.
Pretty sure we've had this discussion already- when I look back at the games I own or owned on PS4, the vast majority are all available on PS3, Vita, Xbox One, PC, and/or Switch. I could have not owned a PS4 and played just about everything I would have wanted to. The exceptions are pretty much the few Sony-published games I care about, like Uncharted. Unsure if those games are on PS Now. If they are, then that's irrelevant too.
The one single platform that has massively improved in terms of its library "competing" with other platforms is PC. The last 10 years especially have seen things change quite a bit and now it's normal for console games to see PC releases. "Exclusive" console games also come out on PC.
In the end, I think ps4 might go down as most overrated system of all time.Also see that as the Switch... it's an old port dumping ground. With 9/10 of the time, being the inferior port.The biggest strength of PS4 was you didn't have to care about exclusives, because it simply had every relevant game of its time, mostly guaranteed day1. Monster Hunter World released also on Bone, but way late on PC. Nier on PC, but like a year late on Bone. Yakuza only 3 years later on Bone. Other variations of split releases for Nioh, Crash Bandicoot, etc. Get a PS4 and you didn't need to ever care about that. I was surprised browsing Amazon and seeing even games I thought were exclusive to PC or Switch or whatever actually being silent multiplats too. When MS showed many interesting games a few years ago at E3, it was like, thanks for the great PS4 lineup.
Other things were released PS4/Switch, PC/PS4, or in other combinations, but it almost always contained PS4 last gen if it wasn't 1st party. If you wanted to have last gen in a single library, you get a PS4.
Pretty sure we've had this discussion already- when I look back at the games I own or owned on PS4, the vast majority are all available on PS3, Vita, Xbox One, PC, and/or Switch. I could have not owned a PS4 and played just about everything I would have wanted to. The exceptions are pretty much the few Sony-published games I care about, like Uncharted. Unsure if those games are on PS Now. If they are, then that's irrelevant too.
The one single platform that has massively improved in terms of its library "competing" with other platforms is PC. The last 10 years especially have seen things change quite a bit and now it's normal for console games to see PC releases. "Exclusive" console games also come out on PC.
With the GPD Win getting more and more awesome, not sure what the excitement for the Switch is...
There's good reasons to own any platform.
The funny thing about Sony is that unlike Microsoft they've got a vast catalog of riches to tap into and they're doing jack shit. They could easily revive Jet Moto, Mark of the Kri, modernize Parappa to take advantage of raps modern ubiquity, revive Jak or Sly for the kids.I'm gonna have to disagree. Sega is distinguished mentally-challenged with their IPs...
They have so many options to make their system worth owning and unique. .
I think Sony treats its library, history, and legacy with less respect than Sega does theirs. It's truly pathetic lmao.
Your bias is almost as bad as Spieler's, though- you've been hating on that thing since it came out. :PI will... But I'm gonna have to rearrange a sound setup for the entertainment area before I do. I want to play it on my tv, but with headphones.. Switch doesn't allow it because whatever.
GO PLAY ODYSSEY ALREADY.
:bolo
The funny thing about Sony is that unlike Microsoft they've got a vast catalog of riches to tap into and they're doing jack shit. They could easily revive Jet Moto, Mark of the Kri, modernize Parappa to take advantage of raps modern ubiquity, revive Jak or Sly for the kids.I'm gonna have to disagree. Sega is distinguished mentally-challenged with their IPs...
They have so many options to make their system worth owning and unique. .
I think Sony treats its library, history, and legacy with less respect than Sega does theirs. It's truly pathetic lmao.
This is Sega's behavior...
(Reemer is Sega, Cain is the rest of the world...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-4nVSV1LeU
And I say this as a Golden Age of Gaming Console War vet. Sega or nothing else back then... Granted, there's some hope with the likes of SOR4, but they have a long, LONG way to go to earn back my trust. .. Remember Shenmue 3? Sony hasn't flopped like that (yet). Where's Skies?? Panzer Dragoon Saga?? Sega Rally?? OutRun?? After Burner?? VF?? Golden Axe?? Altered Beast?? A real Phantasy Star?? Shinobi?? A real, non-waifu Shining game??
Sony knows they have good things too... Astro's Playroom gave me much hope to their legacy (granted it's just one little game, but it's that damn charming)... And yes, I may be a bit on the Sony high horse, but I've been very happy with everything they've put out. I wish I could say the same for Sega.Your bias is almost as bad as Spieler's, though- you've been hating on that thing since it came out. :PI will... But I'm gonna have to rearrange a sound setup for the entertainment area before I do. I want to play it on my tv, but with headphones.. Switch doesn't allow it because whatever.
GO PLAY ODYSSEY ALREADY.
:bolo
I've already dumped so much into that thing, not sure if I'm ready to dump into a receiver or some other sound alternative, whether it's bluetooth earbuds or what. Just more damn hurdles and money for a convenience. The Switch actually works against me in convenience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_4-only_games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_4-only_games)
Which of these are the amazing exclusives PS4 actually had? Exclusive wise all consoles have been pretty slim pickings the last generation.
Edit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_Switch-only_games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_Switch-only_games)
Looks like the Switch that has no games had more exclusives so far than the PS4?
I will... But I'm gonna have to rearrange a sound setup for the entertainment area before I do. I want to play it on my tv, but with headphones.. Switch doesn't allow it because whatever.
I've already dumped so much into that thing, not sure if I'm ready to dump into a receiver or some other sound alternative, whether it's bluetooth earbuds or what. Just more damn hurdles and money for a convenience. The Switch actually works against me in convenience.
Where's Jumping Flash? Where's Legend of Dragoon? Where's Tomba? Where's Colony Wars? Where's Jet Moto? Where's Parappa, Umjammer Lammy, Intelligent Qube, Mark of the Kri, Echochrome? Loco Roco? Sony has its own VR and hasn't even made a Jumping Flash VR game. That's utterly ludicrous.
Sony is far worse regarding their history. Their treatment of their digital storefronts confirms that.
I know you're high on PS, but as a Sony fan for nearly 25 years this is my personal assessment of them.Agree to disagree. :) This was me with Sega back in the day. The bias was impenetrable. I was anti-Nintendo everything. Now, I'm on the other side of the wall.. Even though I have a deeply embedded ancient "hate" for Nintendo, I still love them for what they are and have pulled off...
I will... But I'm gonna have to rearrange a sound setup for the entertainment area before I do. I want to play it on my tv, but with headphones.. Switch doesn't allow it because whatever.
I've already dumped so much into that thing, not sure if I'm ready to dump into a receiver or some other sound alternative, whether it's bluetooth earbuds or what. Just more damn hurdles and money for a convenience. The Switch actually works against me in convenience.
If it's bluetooth, you can get a cheap wireless dongle that you can plug in via USB.
This one includes a USB-A adapter for the dock.
https://www.amazon.com/HomeSpot-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Compatible-Headphones/dp/B07L9SL7ZT
The biggest strength of PS4 was you didn't have to care about exclusives, because it simply had every relevant game of its time, mostly guaranteed day1. Monster Hunter World released also on Bone, but way late on PC. Nier on PC, but like a year late on Bone. Yakuza only 3 years later on Bone. Other variations of split releases for Nioh, Crash Bandicoot, etc. Get a PS4 and you didn't need to ever care about that. I was surprised browsing Amazon and seeing even games I thought were exclusive to PC or Switch or whatever actually being silent multiplats too. When MS showed many interesting games a few years ago at E3, it was like, thanks for the great PS4 lineup.
Other things were released PS4/Switch, PC/PS4, or in other combinations, but it almost always contained PS4 last gen if it wasn't 1st party. If you wanted to have last gen in a single library, you get a PS4.
Pretty sure we've had this discussion already- when I look back at the games I own or owned on PS4, the vast majority are all available on PS3, Vita, Xbox One, PC, and/or Switch. I could have not owned a PS4 and played just about everything I would have wanted to. The exceptions are pretty much the few Sony-published games I care about, like Uncharted. Unsure if those games are on PS Now. If they are, then that's irrelevant too.
The one single platform that has massively improved in terms of its library "competing" with other platforms is PC. The last 10 years especially have seen things change quite a bit and now it's normal for console games to see PC releases. "Exclusive" console games also come out on PC.
GTA 6 won’t be coming to Switch (or Switch Pro) so it loses the console wars by default.
The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that.
Seriously, what exclusives besides Bloodborne? Persona 5? Uncharted 4? The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that.
It ran games better than Xbone and that's about it. But most games were on other systems.
Looking forward to SaGa Frontier HD, which is coming out on ps4. Oh wait, I'm getting that on my Swtich.
The only reason people settled with ps4 was because the used game shit that turned the tide away from Xbone, which at the time was seen at the system projected to get. But most games on ps4 are on other platforms. The only reason we went with ps4 was because it was convenient. Console gaming is convenient.
Seriously, what exclusives besides Bloodborne? Persona 5? Uncharted 4? The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that.
It ran games better than Xbone and that's about it. But most games were on other systems.
Looking forward to SaGa Frontier HD, which is coming out on ps4. Oh wait, I'm getting that on my Swtich.
The only reason people settled with ps4 was because the used game shit that turned the tide away from Xbone, which at the time was seen at the system projected to get. But most games on ps4 are on other platforms. The only reason we went with ps4 was because it was convenient. Console gaming is convenient.
And the always online shit. And the $100 more shit. That E3 was nothing but MS shooting themselves in their own dick and Sony dunking on them. The fact that Xbox is still a thing afterwards is a minor miracle and probably only because MS has mountains of money.
PC is different altogether with its ridiculous hardware cost, no physical games, etc.
And for last generation, PS4 is the only console that basically had all games. XBone might miss two or three important titles from last gen one might find interesting, Switch the majority. If I want to play a notable 3rd party release (i.e. excluding whatever indies flood Steam with) released between 2013 and 2020, I don't even have to think about it, I can find it for PS4. The last generation is the PS4 - which was even more true when it was still going. Which is crazy, because in the first years it looked like a continuation of the incredibly dire PS360 days, so I kept playing PS3, until around 2015/16 when PS4 exploded.
cringe thread. take it to twitter
Seriously, what exclusives besides Bloodborne? Persona 5? Uncharted 4? The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that.
It ran games better than Xbone and that's about it. But most games were on other systems.
Looking forward to SaGa Frontier HD, which is coming out on ps4. Oh wait, I'm getting that on my Swtich.
The only reason people settled with ps4 was because the used game shit that turned the tide away from Xbone, which at the time was seen at the system projected to get. But most games on ps4 are on other platforms. The only reason we went with ps4 was because it was convenient. Console gaming is convenient.
And the always online shit. And the $100 more shit. That E3 was nothing but MS shooting themselves in their own dick and Sony dunking on them. The fact that Xbox is still a thing afterwards is a minor miracle and probably only because MS has mountains of money.
Seriously, what exclusives besides Bloodborne? Persona 5? Uncharted 4? The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that.
It ran games better than Xbone and that's about it. But most games were on other systems.
Looking forward to SaGa Frontier HD, which is coming out on ps4. Oh wait, I'm getting that on my Swtich.
The only reason people settled with ps4 was because the used game shit that turned the tide away from Xbone, which at the time was seen at the system projected to get. But most games on ps4 are on other platforms. The only reason we went with ps4 was because it was convenient. Console gaming is convenient.
And the always online shit. And the $100 more shit. That E3 was nothing but MS shooting themselves in their own dick and Sony dunking on them. The fact that Xbox is still a thing afterwards is a minor miracle and probably only because MS has mountains of money.
Yes, but the used games thing was the biggest deal breaker, hence how Sony was allowed to dunk on them..
This video is what turned the tide of last gen.
https://youtu.be/kWSIFh8ICaA
GTA 6 won’t be coming to Switch (or Switch Pro) so it loses the console wars by default.
The Xbox One and Wii-U being disasters helped Sony immensely. Just like the PS3 being a disaster helped the 360 and Wii. Shit, the original Playstation did so well in a way because the Saturn was a disaster, and the N64 using cartridges meant missing out on tons of games at that time.Yeah, there is a lot of truth here. If anything, Wii and Switch sales are what modern Nintendo's baseline potential is when they aren't tripping on their own dick. MS fucked up by focusing on Kinect, w/ an underpowered console plus the dumb TV "entertainment hub" bullshit. The PS3 launch price + Cell was a disaster. All 3 companies paid for their mistakes during their respective down years.
This is the first gen in 20 years where Microsoft and Nintendo aren't shitting the bed in some way.
Seriously, what exclusives besides Bloodborne? Persona 5? Uncharted 4? The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that.
It ran games better than Xbone and that's about it. But most games were on other systems.
Looking forward to SaGa Frontier HD, which is coming out on ps4. Oh wait, I'm getting that on my Swtich.
The only reason people settled with ps4 was because the used game shit that turned the tide away from Xbone, which at the time was seen at the system projected to get. But most games on ps4 are on other platforms. The only reason we went with ps4 was because it was convenient. Console gaming is convenient.
And the always online shit. And the $100 more shit. That E3 was nothing but MS shooting themselves in their own dick and Sony dunking on them. The fact that Xbox is still a thing afterwards is a minor miracle and probably only because MS has mountains of money.
Yes, but the used games thing was the biggest deal breaker, hence how Sony was allowed to dunk on them..
This video is what turned the tide of last gen.
https://youtu.be/kWSIFh8ICaA
The OG Xbox One was one of the most dissapointing consoles for me and it followed right after the Wii U (which I actually enjoyed more at the time :doge ).
All the TV features were undercooked/unavailable. I remember buying the Xbox One with Destiny and the only 2 games that excited me during that time were Quantum Break and Forza Horizon 2.
The hardware also completely sucked apart from the controller, especially the very slow UI. New entries in their long running series like Gears of War were very uninspired and more interesting IP's like Ninja Gaiden had dissapeared.
Xbox was a complete loss between 2012 and 2017 if you also owned a PC and PS4 was better in nearly every way.
Xbox One X is one of my favorite consoles though it fixed everything that sucked about the original console and is a great and at the time fairly cheap 4k blu-ray player.
Talking about the console wars, sounds like Kojima is going to sign with Microsoft for his next game.
The Xbox One and Wii-U being disasters helped Sony immensely. Just like the PS3 being a disaster helped the 360 and Wii. Shit, the original Playstation did so well in a way because the Saturn was a disaster, and the N64 using cartridges meant missing out on tons of games at that time.Yeah, there is a lot of truth here. If anything, Wii and Switch sales are what modern Nintendo's baseline potential is when they aren't tripping on their own dick. MS fucked up by focusing on Kinect, w/ an underpowered console plus the dumb TV "entertainment hub" bullshit. The PS3 launch price + Cell was a disaster. All 3 companies paid for their mistakes during their respective down years.
This is the first gen in 20 years where Microsoft and Nintendo aren't shitting the bed in some way.
Honestly, there is room for Ninty, Sony and MS to co-exist. We have 3 generations to prove it even when one or more of them are taking missteps. If you're a console gamer, you should want all 3 companies succeeding and this might be the first generation where that happens simultaneously.
The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that. ...
The only reason people settled with ps4 was because the used game shit that turned the tide away from Xbone, which at the time was seen at the system projected to get. But most games on ps4 are on other platforms. The only reason we went with ps4 was because it was convenient. Console gaming is convenient.
That video I linked single handedly won Sony the console war of last gen. You are underestimating the effect of watching something like that live.I'm going to suggest that the lower price (and as importantly being under $400) had more to do with it than a game sharing "meme" video. Especially considering how fast Microsoft moved to murder the Kinect in order to get their price competitive.
GTA 6 won’t be coming to Switch (or Switch Pro) so it loses the console wars by default.
GTA 6 ain't ever coming out breh :dead
GTA 5 on Switch Pro though... and victory is complete :obama
GTA 6 won’t be coming to Switch (or Switch Pro) so it loses the console wars by default.
GTA 6 ain't ever coming out breh :dead
GTA 5 on Switch Pro though... and victory is complete :obama
Sure it is, launches next year.in may trust.me bro
The only reason PS4 took off was because the Xbox used game fuck up. Remember that. ...
The only reason people settled with ps4 was because the used game shit that turned the tide away from Xbone, which at the time was seen at the system projected to get. But most games on ps4 are on other platforms. The only reason we went with ps4 was because it was convenient. Console gaming is convenient.That video I linked single handedly won Sony the console war of last gen. You are underestimating the effect of watching something like that live.I'm going to suggest that the lower price (and as importantly being under $400) had more to do with it than a game sharing "meme" video. Especially considering how fast Microsoft moved to murder the Kinect in order to get their price competitive.spoiler (click to show/hide)Same way they killed the Saturn early on the last time two major consoles released together into the same market targets, cheaper, better and more games... :doge[close]
The OG Xbox One was one of the most dissapointing consoles for me and it followed right after the Wii U (which I actually enjoyed more at the time :doge ).
All the TV features were undercooked/unavailable. I remember buying the Xbox One with Destiny and the only 2 games that excited me during that time were Quantum Break and Forza Horizon 2.
The hardware also completely sucked apart from the controller, especially the very slow UI. New entries in their long running series like Gears of War were very uninspired and more interesting IP's like Ninja Gaiden had dissapeared.
Xbox was a complete loss between 2012 and 2017 if you also owned a PC and PS4 was better in nearly every way.
Xbox One X is one of my favorite consoles though it fixed everything that sucked about the original console and is a great and at the time fairly cheap 4k blu-ray player.
Talking about the console wars, sounds like Kojima is going to sign with Microsoft for his next game.
lmao, there have been rumours about ms acquiring kojima studios for ages and they're as yet unfounded. are you just going off this dumb tweet?
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1364259070094446595
:heh :neogaf
And that skull behind his head!!?!The OG Xbox One was one of the most dissapointing consoles for me and it followed right after the Wii U (which I actually enjoyed more at the time :doge ).
All the TV features were undercooked/unavailable. I remember buying the Xbox One with Destiny and the only 2 games that excited me during that time were Quantum Break and Forza Horizon 2.
The hardware also completely sucked apart from the controller, especially the very slow UI. New entries in their long running series like Gears of War were very uninspired and more interesting IP's like Ninja Gaiden had dissapeared.
Xbox was a complete loss between 2012 and 2017 if you also owned a PC and PS4 was better in nearly every way.
Xbox One X is one of my favorite consoles though it fixed everything that sucked about the original console and is a great and at the time fairly cheap 4k blu-ray player.
Talking about the console wars, sounds like Kojima is going to sign with Microsoft for his next game.
lmao, there have been rumours about ms acquiring kojima studios for ages and they're as yet unfounded. are you just going off this dumb tweet?
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1364259070094446595
:heh :neogaf
What about the Switch on the top shelf? :o
:tinfoilspoiler (click to show/hide)Microsoft has Minecraft on Switch and Death Stranding came out for a Microsoft Platform- PC. Or maybe Phil just likes all this shit?
:whatsthedeal[close]
I'd totally forgotten about kinect being a big part of the boner at launch :heh
by the time i got one on the cheap a year or so after release it wasn't part of the package :trumps
No, the source is Jeff GrubbThe OG Xbox One was one of the most dissapointing consoles for me and it followed right after the Wii U (which I actually enjoyed more at the time :doge ).
All the TV features were undercooked/unavailable. I remember buying the Xbox One with Destiny and the only 2 games that excited me during that time were Quantum Break and Forza Horizon 2.
The hardware also completely sucked apart from the controller, especially the very slow UI. New entries in their long running series like Gears of War were very uninspired and more interesting IP's like Ninja Gaiden had dissapeared.
Xbox was a complete loss between 2012 and 2017 if you also owned a PC and PS4 was better in nearly every way.
Xbox One X is one of my favorite consoles though it fixed everything that sucked about the original console and is a great and at the time fairly cheap 4k blu-ray player.
Talking about the console wars, sounds like Kojima is going to sign with Microsoft for his next game.
lmao, there have been rumours about ms acquiring kojima studios for ages and they're as yet unfounded. are you just going off this dumb tweet?
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1364259070094446595
:heh :neogaf
"How many times have you been watching an episode of South Park and thought, I'd like to be able to watch this on my television while hooked into my mobile device, which is being controlled by my tablet device which is hooked into my oven, all while sitting in the refrigerator?" - Trey Parker, E3 2012 (https://youtu.be/CVzzwUGiK9E?t=115).I'd totally forgotten about kinect being a big part of the boner at launch :heh
by the time i got one on the cheap a year or so after release it wasn't part of the package :trumps
Allegedly they couldn't release the Xbone without the Kinect because it was so integral to the Xbone Xperience, which involved a lot of movie and tv watching. :lol
We're remaking 7 year old games now? :infoThis is what happens when you put the guy who produced Killzone in charge of your first party studios.
Fuck Sony.
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1380476925811032065
Fuck Sony.
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1380476925811032065
No way will having all your exclusives be the same genre (dad simulators) backfire.
A Last of US remake sounds pretty lame and unesccary.
But all this doom and gloom over Playstation is getting annoying.
GTA 6 won’t be coming to Switch (or Switch Pro) so it loses the console wars by default.
GTA 6 ain't ever coming out breh :dead
GTA 5 on Switch Pro though... and victory is complete :obama
Sure it is, launches next year.in may trust.me bro
I don’t care.A Last of US remake sounds pretty lame and unesccary.
But all this doom and gloom over Playstation is getting annoying.
Some PlayStation fan you are.
https://twitter.com/JonComms/status/1380482854291922948
A Last of US remake sounds pretty lame and unesccary.
But all this doom and gloom over Playstation is getting annoying.
Meanwhile Nintendo releases Super NintendoLand and Kirby Air Ride: DX and sells 60 million copiesWith both being available for a limited time for some reason.
For a limited time, with the physical version of the second one only in Japan and half the content of the first one locked behind Amiibo :trumpsQuoteMeanwhile Nintendo releases Super NintendoLand and Kirby Air Ride: DX and sells 60 million copiesWith both being available for a limited time for some reason.
Some PlayStation fan you are.
twitter.com/JonComms/status/1380482854291922948
I don’t care.
Killing the Vita has been in the cards since 2016 or 2017. I'd wager that both the store shutdown and nixing the sales ability are steps to get people off the platform, just as the cessation of manufacturing carts/consoles.
Sony views the Vita as a failure. It missed pretty much every sales target they had and for a for-profit business that's about as bad as it gets. They were content with it as a small stream of passive income, but when the firmware was broken they were nailing the coffin.
It had some strong proponents internally, especially on the JP side, but that just served as a "told you so" in the culture wars Sony's been not-so-quietly having for the past decade.
Is it possible for you to elaborate on said culture wars?
There's a lot to it, some I'm going to simplify it at the cost of some nuance.
Playstation is a historically Japanese brand. In the time since Playstation debuted, America has grown to be the largest video game market. There's been a lot of internal competition for the "control" of the Playstation brand and over the past several years you can clearly see where America has been winning. Relocation of HQ, shutdown of most of Japan Studios, and the DualSense's X default confirm (as a final "fuck you") are some of the notable examples off the top of my head.
Most of this took place far above my level - think officers and the like.
So Sony today is kind of like Sega was in the early 90s with the Genesis?
I think from the moment Phil has taken charge of Xbox, things have been heading in the right direction.Phil has been head of Xbox for 7 years. He was lead of Xbox Game Studios for many years before that. He's been with the company since the 80s.
It's taking them some time to steer the ship straight again, but Xbox is coming back I believe. Sony is fucking up in a lot of directions.
I think they still had issues with development during the Xbox One times. They started on some projects that didn't make the cut and had to restart development with a few studios. Also the failing Xbox One sales might have been enough to make them say fuck it, push on for Series X.
I think from the moment Phil has taken charge of Xbox, things have been heading in the right direction.Phil has been head of Xbox for 7 years. He was lead of Xbox Game Studios for many years before that. He's been with the company since the 80s.
It's taking them some time to steer the ship straight again, but Xbox is coming back I believe. Sony is fucking up in a lot of directions.
For comparison, Peter Moore was only with MS for 3 and a half.
I'm not arguing Xbox isn't in a much better place than it was in 2014 (it is), but this like "up and coming" Phil needs time to fix all of Mattrick's fuck ups narritive...like, how long does it take? Modern Xbox is Spencer's baby, both the good and bad.
Keep in mind for the 360 generation, that leadership as a whole was okay selling a console that would experience critical hardware failure at a consistent and terrible rate. There was no way the RROD came as a surprise.Moore talked about it a bit in some roundtable years ago.
https://twitter.com/ComicBook/status/1381005510313410560 (https://twitter.com/ComicBook/status/1381005510313410560)
:thinking
It is always great to see what a charismatic presence and great story teller Peter Moore is.Keep in mind for the 360 generation, that leadership as a whole was okay selling a console that would experience critical hardware failure at a consistent and terrible rate. There was no way the RROD came as a surprise.Moore talked about it a bit in some roundtable years ago.
nevermind, got it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMe9EoZAeyo
hold on, do microsoft own double fine? :hhh
have they even has a game
Tim Schafer did some cult classics for Lucas Arts like Monkey Island and Full Throttle. And although he's made some 6's and 7's he never shit the bed the likes of Warren Spector have nor did he show hubris like Cliffy B. His games are still pretty good and he's a likeable dude.
Fuck Sony.
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1380476925811032065
PS3 game patches have already been pulled from the store it seems.
A growing thread on ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/psa-various-ps3-updates-no-longer-downloadable-patch-games-now.408426/) is corroborating the list, with some users confirming that their owned games are not receiving updates. "Just popped in Lords of Shadow and sure enough, no update. This sucks because I literally just bought the DLC for it last week," Liam Allen-Miller said.
Wii eshop is closed too.. A system clearly better than the WiiU (and was BC even!), but people moved on and didn't care. This really just looks like the same scenario from my perspective :doge
Wii eshop is closed too.. A system clearly better than the WiiU (and was BC even!), but people moved on and didn't care. This really just looks like the same scenario from my perspective :doge
Except you can still redownload the games you already own on the Wii.
Wii eshop is closed too.. A system clearly better than the WiiU (and was BC even!), but people moved on and didn't care. This really just looks like the same scenario from my perspective :doge
Except you can still redownload the games you already own on the Wii.
https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27560/~/wii-shop-channel-discontinuation
In the future, we will be closing all services related to the Wii Shop Channel, including redownloading purchased WiiWare, Virtual Console titles, and Wii Channels, as well as Wii System Transfer Tool, which transfers data from the Wii console to the Wii U console.
Wii eshop is closed too.. A system clearly better than the WiiU (and was BC even!), but people moved on and didn't care. This really just looks like the same scenario from my perspective :doge
Except you can still redownload the games you already own on the Wii.
https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27560/~/wii-shop-channel-discontinuation
In the future, we will be closing all services related to the Wii Shop Channel, including redownloading purchased WiiWare, Virtual Console titles, and Wii Channels, as well as Wii System Transfer Tool, which transfers data from the Wii console to the Wii U console.
Wii games didn't have DLC or full game downloads though. The max on each download was like 40 MB.
Nor does it have some asinine forced-obsolescence DRM check on your own disc games. :doge
Also Nintendo giving a public heads up years ahead of time is MILES ahead of Sony's sneaky shit. Short of Svejk's theory about an architecture move being true, this is incredibly shittier than how Nintendo's handled their shop wind-downs. Not sure how that's arguable...
Sony are pissing away the good will they've accumulated over the past gen by the day it seems :neogaf
krazy Ken back in charge by e3 2022 :rejoice
Also Nintendo giving a public heads up years ahead of time is MILES ahead of Sony's sneaky shit. Short of Svejk's theory about an architecture move being true, this is incredibly shittier than how Nintendo's handled their shop wind-downs. Not sure how that's arguable...
And I thought I had a hate boner for Nintendo. :lol Again, this is me just being optimistic, but it seems like they're doing something to redistribute a revised infrastructure. It's too early to tell. From the surface, yeah, it does look like they're shutting it all down, but let's wait and see.Maybe but I have a feeling they'll lock it behind a paywall. Maybe a revised PSNow thing with lots PSX, 2 and 3 games added in.
Oh they absolutely will put it behind a paywall.. But that's the only way they'll be able to compete in this generation of KONSULL HWARZ it seems. I hate the paid subscription route, but it is what it is.And I thought I had a hate boner for Nintendo. :lol Again, this is me just being optimistic, but it seems like they're doing something to redistribute a revised infrastructure. It's too early to tell. From the surface, yeah, it does look like they're shutting it all down, but let's wait and see.Maybe but I have a feeling they'll lock it behind a paywall. Maybe a revised PSNow thing with lots PSX, 2 and 3 games added in.
PS4 doesn't play ANY legacy PS games and it still sold a metric ton... some people complained, but it didn't seem to matter in the overall grand scheme of things.. I think the alarm bell is getting hit a bit too early... Sure, on the surface, it looks fucked up (especially with the lack of communication. sounds like my employer), but surely there's a reason.. First, why would Cerny even mention how the PS5 is capable of legacy play and how it would achieve that?
But mostly, thanks to a wonderful, little game called Astro’s Playroom, never before has there been such a showcase honoring the PS legacy than before… I feel there’s a reason for that. They've even restructured their studios to focus all on Team Asobi.spoiler (click to show/hide)BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1[close]
PS4 doesn't play ANY legacy PS games and it still sold a metric ton... some people complained, but it didn't seem to matter in the overall grand scheme of things.. I think the alarm bell is getting hit a bit too early... Sure, on the surface, it looks fucked up (especially with the lack of communication. sounds like my employer), but surely there's a reason.. First, why would Cerny even mention how the PS5 is capable of legacy play and how it would achieve that?
But mostly, thanks to a wonderful, little game called Astro’s Playroom, never before has there been such a showcase honoring the PS legacy than before… I feel there’s a reason for that. They've even restructured their studios to focus all on Team Asobi.spoiler (click to show/hide)BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1[close]
I am, that's why i was defending Last of Us 2 so much.PS4 doesn't play ANY legacy PS games and it still sold a metric ton... some people complained, but it didn't seem to matter in the overall grand scheme of things.. I think the alarm bell is getting hit a bit too early... Sure, on the surface, it looks fucked up (especially with the lack of communication. sounds like my employer), but surely there's a reason.. First, why would Cerny even mention how the PS5 is capable of legacy play and how it would achieve that?
But mostly, thanks to a wonderful, little game called Astro’s Playroom, never before has there been such a showcase honoring the PS legacy than before… I feel there’s a reason for that. They've even restructured their studios to focus all on Team Asobi.spoiler (click to show/hide)BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1BUHLEE (https://media4.giphy.com/media/QzdJer4CUPGheUFa1n/giphy.gif) :hans1 :hans1 :hans1[close]
Any time anyone resorts to "but it sold well" argumentative metrics they've already lost. I'm not a Sony board member. I don't give a shit how much it sold.
On the whole I doubt many people use BC
I have the old bc ps3
Sony is stupid. MS isn’t working on BC because they care about their legacy or whatever shit. They are doing it because it helps them. Gamepass wouldn’t have shit if it was just current MS first party which is laughable. Having BC boosts the library of what’s possible on Gamepass. It allows them to have a digital copy of something whenever a dude watches a YouTuber talk about some hidden gem.
On the whole I doubt many people use BC. I think this whole outrage over BC is a enthusiasts concern and honestly kind of a fake one. The people that really care have the old hardware, already have the game, and or also know how to emulate it. It’s a shame maybe new fans won’t be able to play Lunar for cheap, though they will because PC emulation can come through. But what Sony should realize is having BC means you can have your sub and that dude is going to subscribe to it because he can play Lunar and Digital Devil Saga, Dark Cloud, and God of War. Unlike MS, Sony has the games and the relationships to get them.
Follow the Marvel Unlimited idea. New first party games debut 3 months later. Yeah it won’t be as good as Gamepass in that regards, but people will be fine because your first party is stronger and the possible legacy of games is greater.
Sony is stupid. MS isn’t working on BC because they care about their legacy or whatever shit. They are doing it because it helps them. Gamepass wouldn’t have shit if it was just current MS first party which is laughable. Having BC boosts the library of what’s possible on Gamepass. It allows them to have a digital copy of something whenever a dude watches a YouTuber talk about some hidden gem.
On the whole I doubt many people use BC. I think this whole outrage over BC is a enthusiasts concern and honestly kind of a fake one. The people that really care have the old hardware, already have the game, and or also know how to emulate it. It’s a shame maybe new fans won’t be able to play Lunar for cheap, though they will because PC emulation can come through. But what Sony should realize is having BC means you can have your sub and that dude is going to subscribe to it because he can play Lunar and Digital Devil Saga, Dark Cloud, and God of War. Unlike MS, Sony has the games and the relationships to get them.
Follow the Marvel Unlimited idea. New first party games debut 3 months later. Yeah it won’t be as good as Gamepass in that regards, but people will be fine because your first party is stronger and the possible legacy of games is greater.
A PS5 that allows you to play everything from PS1 onwards, disk based, would be an absolute dream for me.
It's a trite statement to call Microsoft a software company and Sony a hardware company, but there is something to viewing this discussion through that kind of ideological lens. BC is where Microsoft's advantages as one of the world's most powerful software companies allows them to outperform Sony in a battlefield that Sony doesn't want to expend the cost to fight on. If we use this lens we can see where Microsoft might inherently view software as hardware independent because that's their ultimate model for Windows and everything else. Sony sees it all tied to the hardware because that's what they can control most easily. It's a fun ideological gambit by Microsoft that they can ultimately make Xbox into something that you just get a new revision of every so often and still can play all the stuff on. Not dumping the old hardware install base and offering GamePass services gives the impression that they're pumping value into their hardware for down the road when that won't actually be the case, it's a win-win for those of us who do want to always play that old stuff and Microsoft even if most people will just upgrade anyway.lol GAMEPASS go brrrrrr
The original Xbox One pitch was almost 180 degrees opposite from this, Microsoft wanted the Xbox One to be the center of everything, now they want the Xbox to just be another addition to your TV setup almost on the sly. Where you're like "okay, I've got Netflix setup and Disney+ setup, now I need to setup Xbox (Live) for games" and then you get the hardware for that rather than buying the hardware and then hopping into the ecosystems down the road. Microsoft is arguably faster to realize the software possibilities even when and where they fail and discard them.
Sony, by contrast, still seems to view the PlayStation venture as ultimately something that will sit at the center of your entertainment. It makes plenty of sense because the PS2 got there as a DVD player and a games player. But they still see the hardware as the key thing and they're less willing than Microsoft to simply eat the costs on the hardware to push the software. (Ironic considering this is what Sony famously did to both Nintendo and Sega!) This factors into the BC discussion because Sony sees each generation as separate because I assume they ideologically look at the specific hardware first and Microsoft much more easily sees the "software" sitting on top of all that hardware. Sony, if we apply this lens, would feel it's a waste to chase old and outdated hardware for fringe profits when they can push the newest hardware, Microsoft sees the potential advantages from having all that software available like software is available on Windows and especially the ability to sell it again for fringe profits.
As for exclusives, Microsoft has always gone through droughts where it loses the first-party push before going on a binge, buying up a bunch of developers, and "committing" to a round of releases just to let the developers "slack off" on Microsoft's dime. I'm not talking about just their Xbox stuff, look at Microsoft in the PC gaming sphere too, before Xbox even, they had this cycle ever since Ed Fries left. Hell, they had it with Ed Fries on PC. I think it's a factor of that "slacking off" which doesn't actually happen but because these developers no longer have the outside pressures, the standard time tables of getting releases out every two to three years slips and slips. And then when Microsoft has a corporate directive like "cancel everything on PC we're starting Xbox" or "cancel everything we're doing sports" or "cancel sports we're doing the 360" it creates another void and pushes things out further. I'd like to think that Xbox Games Studio is simply too large for this now, especially with Bethesda added, so we can have the best of both worlds in terms of Microsoft funding and quality releases at a good time table for PC/Xbox.
It's a trite statement to call Microsoft a software company and Sony a hardware company, but there is something to viewing this discussion through that kind of ideological lens. BC is where Microsoft's advantages as one of the world's most powerful software companies allows them to outperform Sony in a battlefield that Sony doesn't want to expend the cost to fight on. If we use this lens we can see where Microsoft might inherently view software as hardware independent because that's their ultimate model for Windows and everything else. Sony sees it all tied to the hardware because that's what they can control most easily. It's a fun ideological gambit by Microsoft that they can ultimately make Xbox into something that you just get a new revision of every so often and still can play all the stuff on. Not dumping the old hardware install base and offering GamePass services gives the impression that they're pumping value into their hardware for down the road when that won't actually be the case, it's a win-win for those of us who do want to always play that old stuff and Microsoft even if most people will just upgrade anyway.lol GAMEPASS go brrrrrr
The original Xbox One pitch was almost 180 degrees opposite from this, Microsoft wanted the Xbox One to be the center of everything, now they want the Xbox to just be another addition to your TV setup almost on the sly. Where you're like "okay, I've got Netflix setup and Disney+ setup, now I need to setup Xbox (Live) for games" and then you get the hardware for that rather than buying the hardware and then hopping into the ecosystems down the road. Microsoft is arguably faster to realize the software possibilities even when and where they fail and discard them.
Sony, by contrast, still seems to view the PlayStation venture as ultimately something that will sit at the center of your entertainment. It makes plenty of sense because the PS2 got there as a DVD player and a games player. But they still see the hardware as the key thing and they're less willing than Microsoft to simply eat the costs on the hardware to push the software. (Ironic considering this is what Sony famously did to both Nintendo and Sega!) This factors into the BC discussion because Sony sees each generation as separate because I assume they ideologically look at the specific hardware first and Microsoft much more easily sees the "software" sitting on top of all that hardware. Sony, if we apply this lens, would feel it's a waste to chase old and outdated hardware for fringe profits when they can push the newest hardware, Microsoft sees the potential advantages from having all that software available like software is available on Windows and especially the ability to sell it again for fringe profits.
As for exclusives, Microsoft has always gone through droughts where it loses the first-party push before going on a binge, buying up a bunch of developers, and "committing" to a round of releases just to let the developers "slack off" on Microsoft's dime. I'm not talking about just their Xbox stuff, look at Microsoft in the PC gaming sphere too, before Xbox even, they had this cycle ever since Ed Fries left. Hell, they had it with Ed Fries on PC. I think it's a factor of that "slacking off" which doesn't actually happen but because these developers no longer have the outside pressures, the standard time tables of getting releases out every two to three years slips and slips. And then when Microsoft has a corporate directive like "cancel everything on PC we're starting Xbox" or "cancel everything we're doing sports" or "cancel sports we're doing the 360" it creates another void and pushes things out further. I'd like to think that Xbox Games Studio is simply too large for this now, especially with Bethesda added, so we can have the best of both worlds in terms of Microsoft funding and quality releases at a good time table for PC/Xbox.
Sony is stupid. MS isn’t working on BC because they care about their legacy or whatever shit. They are doing it because it helps them. Gamepass wouldn’t have shit if it was just current MS first party which is laughable. Having BC boosts the library of what’s possible on Gamepass. It allows them to have a digital copy of something whenever a dude watches a YouTuber talk about some hidden gem.
On the whole I doubt many people use BC. I think this whole outrage over BC is a enthusiasts concern and honestly kind of a fake one. The people that really care have the old hardware, already have the game, and or also know how to emulate it. It’s a shame maybe new fans won’t be able to play Lunar for cheap, though they will because PC emulation can come through. But what Sony should realize is having BC means you can have your sub and that dude is going to subscribe to it because he can play Lunar and Digital Devil Saga, Dark Cloud, and God of War. Unlike MS, Sony has the games and the relationships to get them.
Follow the Marvel Unlimited idea. New first party games debut 3 months later. Yeah it won’t be as good as Gamepass in that regards, but people will be fine because your first party is stronger and the possible legacy of games is greater.
Speaking as someone who plays retro games more than most on this forum...
I have PS1 and 2 (of course), but only have my PS3 hooked up and play PS1/2 BC on the PS3, just because the space under my TV is already a mess of wires and consoles.... and in fact I think PS3's upscaling makes PS1/2 look better than even the original hardware with RGB and an OSSC.
Of course, due to my genre tastes I have way more games for PS consoles than Xbox, but it's super appealing that I can run the og Xbox copy of Burnout 3 (which I recently purchased thanks to watching an interesting youtube on Criterion and Burnout) on a Series X... and I won't need to have my Scorpio and og Xbox up (still need the 360 hooked up since I don't think a lot of the Cave shmups are BC compatible yet). A PS5 that allows you to play everything from PS1 onwards, disk based, would be an absolute dream for me.
And Rahx, the physical retro market has been hot for a while, though post pandemic it exploded even more, although Xbox games are still overall pretty cheap. Even the ones you think would be more sought-after like Panzer Dragoon Orta. Ironically enough I was looking through my FB memories and one of them was me complaining in 2013 about how overpriced retro games were getting... if only I knew :P Even the fucking Pokemon games, which sold gazillions of copies, are soaring. Even DS is going crazy now (I saw a DQ5 DS recently go for $200!)
I'm acquaintances or friends with a lot of local retro store owners and resellers, the most popular/fastest-value-accumulating retro games tend to be:
-shmups
-survival horror
-Japanese RPGs
-first party platformers (especially anything Nintendo)
So I think that's why people don't care about Xbox/360/One retro as much since MS consoles aren't known for aforementioned genres. Which is ironic, since right now MS has the best BC.
they've had a big hand in gaming even before Sony entered the market too. for as good as xbox is, it's baffling how the platform is still so bland
I'm going with Xbox for next gen. I regret buying every single PS4 game I bought due to the CMOS scandal.That can still be patched out, as far as i understand.
I'm going with Xbox for next gen. I regret buying every single PS4 game I bought due to the CMOS scandal.That can still be patched out, as far as i understand.
In that case, you'd just need to swap the dead battery for a new one.
I'm going with Xbox for next gen. I regret buying every single PS4 game I bought due to the CMOS scandal.
An eventual issue
None of this is a huge problem for most PlayStation owners right now. Yes, the 10- to 20-year lifespan on your average CMOS battery is slowly running out, especially for the earliest PS3 hardware. But replacing the battery and resyncing the internal timer with PSN is a relatively minor annoyance for the time being (assuming you can find a Wi-Fi hotspot and PSN isn't suffering one of its rare outages).
But nothing lasts forever, as Sony's recent decisions regarding older PlayStation online stores show. At some point in the future, whether it's in one year or 100 years, Sony will shut off the PSN servers that power the timing check for hardware it no longer considers important. After that, it's only a matter of time before failing CMOS batteries slowly reduce all PS3 and PS4 hardware to semi-functional curios.
Sony could render the problem moot relatively easily with a firmware update that limits the system functions tied to this timing check. Thus far, though, Sony hasn't publicly indicated it has any such plans and hasn't responded to multiple requests for comment from Ars Technica. Until it does, complicated workarounds that make use of jailbroken firmware are the only option for ensuring that aging PlayStation hardware will remain fully usable well into the future.
Nintendo MindFuckUThis is great.
I'm going with Xbox for next gen. I regret buying every single PS4 game I bought due to the CMOS scandal.
Would recommend a new PC instead- it will get all the same games, plus the stuff Xbox won't get.
i wouldn't be overly shocked if they sold off their western trash division (eidos) tbh :winBravely Default on Eidos. :trumps
??? With the only saving grace for xbox right now being GamePass... Unless you already have a giant XB physical collection already, I wouldn't put your eggs in that basket....I'm going with Xbox for next gen. I regret buying every single PS4 game I bought due to the CMOS scandal.
Would recommend a new PC instead- it will get all the same games, plus the stuff Xbox won't get.
I prefer physical so that leaves me to Xbox.
??? With the only saving grace for xbox right now being GamePass... Unless you already have a giant XB physical collection already, I wouldn't put your eggs in that basket....I'm going with Xbox for next gen. I regret buying every single PS4 game I bought due to the CMOS scandal.
Would recommend a new PC instead- it will get all the same games, plus the stuff Xbox won't get.
I prefer physical so that leaves me to Xbox.
Nintendo shit otherwise? Sure.
Well Yeah, no, I wouldn't do that either if you have physical PS games. :ahnuld2??? With the only saving grace for xbox right now being GamePass... Unless you already have a giant XB physical collection already, I wouldn't put your eggs in that basket....I'm going with Xbox for next gen. I regret buying every single PS4 game I bought due to the CMOS scandal.
Would recommend a new PC instead- it will get all the same games, plus the stuff Xbox won't get.
I prefer physical so that leaves me to Xbox.
Nintendo shit otherwise? Sure.
And trust Sony with the games I own and want to play?
Nah, I'm good.
Batteries go off all the time, Rah. How do I know when my system battery will die?Thats correct. Batteries die off all the time. That’s never stoped you from buying any electronics before. You also have no real reason to believe that the simple server that handles this check will ever go offline or if it does the PS4 wouldn’t already be patched by then. This issue is being wrapped around the PS store issue, but they are not 100% the same. Right now and for the foreseeable future if your cmos were to die, you could replace it no problem.
Also, this impacts PS3 too. The very system that is having its servers cut off within months and is a decade old system. Given the combination of Sony cutting off servers, the cmos battery issue, Sony not respecting their overall history and BC, and I have no reason to want to invest in their platforms going forward. My ps3 is what, a decade old? How much time does it have left 5 years?
Also, the entire idea of "no one cares about bc lol" is just bad argumentation. I very much do. I replayed FFVII on my ps2 last year. Speaking of PS2, I have had it hooked it up every tv I have owned since 2001. The only reason it's not hooked up to my current tv is because my ps2 is literally across the country. Last year I played Mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie on real N64 hardware. I have a crt and very much play and buy old games. I very much care and have invested hundreds of games into Sony hardware. Hell, I still play physical NES and SNES games and have been building a collection. I very, very, VERY much care about BC.The counter argument of “I have everything from the nes to the PS5 hooked up through my framemister so clearly people care about BC” is a better argument?
I didn't say "everyone", just that many care about it. To wave it off with,"no one cares except a minority of people lol" is bad.
I didn't say "everyone", just that many care about it. To wave it off with,"no one cares except a minority of people lol" is bad.
“No one cares” is hyperbole clearly. People obviously care, but it’s arguable that it’s a pretty small core gamer group only.
But you know you’ve been high on the Switch. Which is a system with known controller issues, which you have no idea if the next system will be BC thanks to its cartridge format, and made from a company with a very spotty BC legacy as well.
Like this is why I’m taking the stance that right now there’s a whirlwind of seemingly bad press about the PlayStation that is taking hold. Bad stuff that I don’t think most would give a shit about if it wasn’t just a conclave of bad stuff. This cmos stuff is being magnified by the store going down. But there’s nothing that really supports the cmos issue being this console shattering issue.
How are they making it harder? This is a pure what if situation.
Well what if the Series X has another RROD.
What if MS stops Gamepass?
Cindi, what about where FGC goes with consoles? Xbox is still getting less fighting games compared to PS4/5 and PC- look at Guilty Gear Strive, for example.
the FGC being PS centric doesn't make sense anymore given that moving to PS5 means: upgrading your console, rebuying all your peripherals, paying console tax on new releases, paying a monthly fee to play online, having to cart a giant monstrosity around with you when you could build a mITX PC that's half the size and twice as powerful, and you'll need a different console for older games (or a laptop for MAME era stuff)
Xbox S is also smaller and cheaper and includes BC so people can play old games more easily.Not if your collection is physical.
Xbox S also seems like the most pointless console so far. Weaker and digital only. I’m good.Xbox S with GamePass is actually a very compelling product if you're still stuck on a 1080p screen or just want a gaming machine with a small footprint.
the FGC being PS centric doesn't make sense anymore given that moving to PS5 means: upgrading your console, rebuying all your peripherals, paying console tax on new releases, paying a monthly fee to play online, having to cart a giant monstrosity around with you when you could build a mITX PC that's half the size and twice as powerful, and you'll need a different console for older games (or a laptop for MAME era stuff)
Xbox S is also smaller and cheaper and includes BC so people can play old games more easily. Most have accepted ps5 as the next fgc console though, but many are still sticking with pc. People hate playing fgs on psn. Literally. Hate. And most players I play with just play on PC. So console choice doesn't affect me.
series s is a complete piece of shit :lol
series s is a complete piece of shit :lol
What do you think the S stands for? :rodney
Imagine the suckers who bought ps3 games on ebay in these past few weeks. :lol
Imagine the suckers who bought ps3 games on ebay in these past few weeks. :lolAnd the surge of digital software sales in the process. :money :putin People should be even more pissed now. :lol
People should keep bitching so they expand BC to everything on PS3/Vita to PS5. Id buy a PS5 in a heartbeat if I could play all the digital versions of PS1 JRPGs on it.
One of many Ls for idiot fanboys who demonize everyone who is not content with their favorite company's "genius" marketing plans. Actual fans always need to voice concerns and discontent, so maybe some kind of change might happen. Doesn't matter how troll-ish these concerns might look.
Sadly, it's not like that corporate sluts of any kind ever remember these things. The idiots who now said "who needs old games anyway, good move / have you played old things recently???" are the same kind who sperge over Demon's Souls and Xenoblade in their list wars, but back in the day also boot-licked their favorite CEOs' decision not to localize the originals out of "rational" marketing reaons.
One of many Ls for idiot fanboys who demonize everyone who is not content with their favorite company's "genius" marketing plans. Actual fans always need to voice concerns and discontent, so maybe some kind of change might happen. Doesn't matter how troll-ish these concerns might look.
Sadly, it's not like that corporate sluts of any kind ever remember these things. The idiots who now said "who needs old games anyway, good move / have you played old things recently???" are the same kind who sperge over Demon's Souls and Xenoblade in their list wars, but back in the day also boot-licked their favorite CEOs' decision not to localize the originals out of "rational" marketing reaons.
Why does my PS5 need to know the time?
DRM, or digital rights management, is used to protect copyrights on digital media. Technologies like DRM require internet connections to ensure a person is playing a legitimate piece of media. Because Sony wraps PS5 games in this protective bubble to prevent theft, the system needs to know the time or it upsets the DRM and it locks you out of the game.
It’s also possible that Sony could, if it wanted to, send a final patch out to consoles when it’s going to stop supporting them that would remove all of these restrictions. That would mean that any games on your console would continue to work with or without the internet. Will Sony do that? Unlikely.
There's also the issue of trophy synching. For trophies to sync properly with Sony's servers, it requires the CMOS battery to be alive. If trophies don't properly sync, gamers will run into errors.
The big argument here is that many people want their current consoles to be like the NES, which you can plug in and use right now. Modern consoles are too reliant on DRM and connecting to the internet for that to be guaranteed in the future.
this is just how modern consumer tech works m8s.
i doubt nintendo is exempt from these issues either.
But it's true unfortunately. We all get a $500-$1000 cellphone that will last 5 years (if you're lucky) and we just all take that pill up the ass... Is it disgusting? Yes.. but what other choice do we have to get our fix? And I know it's apples and oranges (cellphones vs. gaming hardware), but we shouldn't be surprised they are no longer making things to last. That age has long gone for electronics. Something drastic has to change, but I wouldn't hold my breath.Quotethis is just how modern consumer tech works m8s.
This is such a bullshit cop-out lol.
Didn't the Switch (or was it the Wiiu?) have the problem of not being able to carry over an account/saves from one machine to the next?Quotei doubt nintendo is exempt from these issues either.
They are. Or at least, these specific issues.
Trophies are stupid bullshit and requiring extra hardware to make sure "the time is tip-top perfect and no bad smelly hackers have EVER changed it" is fucking overkill.
I will die on this hill. Fuck system-level trophies and achievements, especially if this is the outcome.
Also fuck MS's new Xbox sign-up process. Google enforces something similar for Chromebooks and it's not cool there either. Microsoft keeps prompting me to add an account to Windows 10 and won't even let you activate a new computer without an MS account now unless you physically disconnect from the internet (https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-10/how-to-setup-windows-10-without-a-microsoft-account/). I hate this direction for hardware you ostensibly own.
Didn't the Switch (or was it the Wiiu?) have the problem of not being able to carry over an account/saves from one machine to the next?Quotei doubt nintendo is exempt from these issues either.
They are. Or at least, these specific issues.
Trophies are stupid bullshit and requiring extra hardware to make sure "the time is tip-top perfect and no bad smelly hackers have EVER changed it" is fucking overkill.
I will die on this hill. Fuck system-level trophies and achievements, especially if this is the outcome.
Also fuck MS's new Xbox sign-up process. Google enforces something similar for Chromebooks and it's not cool there either. Microsoft keeps prompting me to add an account to Windows 10 and won't even let you activate a new computer without an MS account now unless you physically disconnect from the internet (https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-10/how-to-setup-windows-10-without-a-microsoft-account/). I hate this direction for hardware you ostensibly own.
But i agree with the general sentiment.
Didn't the Switch (or was it the Wiiu?) have the problem of not being able to carry over an account/saves from one machine to the next?
My entire Steam library still works (as far as I know anyway).
So I'm not that worried about digital PC games.
Consoles is a different matter. My physical copy of Super Mario 3D All-Stars will likely still work in 10, 20 or even 30 years if I can find a working Switch.
Not sure if people that bought the digital version will have the same luxury once Nintendo shuts down this 'iteration' of the eShop.
My entire Steam library still works (as far as I know anyway).Let's be honest.. Nintendo will sell all these games to everyone again in less than 10 years, on a new system, at an even higher price, and even more people will buy it because they're suckers, so it doesn't matter. It's the Nintendo way.
So I'm not that worried about digital PC games.
Consoles is a different matter. My physical copy of Super Mario 3D All-Stars will likely still work in 10, 20 or even 30 years if I can find a working Switch.
Not sure if people that bought the digital version will have the same luxury once Nintendo shuts down this 'iteration' of the eShop.
I'm tired of attempted gotchas like this tbh. Did I ever say that was a good thing?Calm your tits Tasty, it was a genuine question, i even said i agree with the general sentiment.
cindi
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anyway, you can replace your cmos battery in a ps4 just like you would a pc's. how would you recommend a device keeping it's date/time when unplugged without using a CMOS? guess it sucks the console is all but bricked without it or an internet connection, but the fix is extremely simple and only something you'd have to do every 10 to 20 years. all for complaining about stuff, but this seems like a bit of a non event.
I'm tired of attempted gotchas like this tbh. Did I ever say that was a good thing?My general opinion about game preservation is that it's a lost cause.
Even taking into consideration wild dreams of piracy, online integration nowadays is so intrinsic to the experience, that it's just not realistic to think you'll be playing these games 20 years from now.
Might as well consider them as some kind of live performance, you can capture a video of it, but not the experience itself.
So i'm not shocked that game companies don't give a shit about your PS4 library 10 years from now.
MS is doing fan service because they lost the generation, but when they were successful they wanted to limit how you play even new physical games. i.e. All this can completely change every few years. And tbf, the more you talk about preservation, the less I like how MS does it. Because it all relies on downloads instead of actual things you have. It's absolutely nice that they are remastering some games and giving you the downloads you for free if you have a disc. But that seems like a bonus feature that skips the most important part, i.e. have all your old shit running first without anything fancy attached. Now "bc" just concerns a small percentage of their old games portfolio. Even on 360 you can't just pop an OG XB disc in, but download a file first.I'm tired of attempted gotchas like this tbh. Did I ever say that was a good thing?My general opinion about game preservation is that it's a lost cause.
Even taking into consideration wild dreams of piracy, online integration nowadays is so intrinsic to the experience, that it's just not realistic to think you'll be playing these games 20 years from now.
Might as well consider them as some kind of live performance, you can capture a video of it, but not the experience itself.
So i'm not shocked that game companies don't give a shit about your PS4 library 10 years from now.
Maybe that's true another generation from now when everything goes Gamepass, but currently that's overly dramatic. There's no doubt you will be able to play current games until discs decay, at least PS4 titles. Not so much digitally, but then again, even on Steam I consider everything I have a play permission at best. But physical PS4 games already work without the internal clock on PS5. It's apparently super simple to remove that restriction on PS4 too. If Sony for some weird reason decides to turn the switch back on for PS5 and then also refuses to update the PS4 firmware when the problems start, then I'm sure there quickly will be someone out of 120 million PS4 users to make an idiot-safe instant-hack in a day. You might be concerned for the lack of patches in the future, but out of like 200+ HD games I'd played (unpatched), there's been less than five I considered unplayable or too rough. The biggest deficit will be DLC.
Quotethis is just how modern consumer tech works m8s.
This is such a bullshit cop-out lol.
MS is doing fan service because they lost the generation, but when they were successful they wanted to limit how you play even new physical games. i.e. All this can completely change every few years. And tbf, the more you talk about preservation, the less I like how MS does it. Because it all relies on downloads instead of actual things you have. It's absolutely nice that they are remastering some games and giving you the downloads you for free if you have a disc. But that seems like a bonus feature that skips the most important part, i.e. have all your old shit running first without anything fancy attached. Now "bc" just concerns a small percentage of their old games portfolio. Even on 360 you can't just pop an OG XB disc in, but download a file first.I'm tired of attempted gotchas like this tbh. Did I ever say that was a good thing?My general opinion about game preservation is that it's a lost cause.
Even taking into consideration wild dreams of piracy, online integration nowadays is so intrinsic to the experience, that it's just not realistic to think you'll be playing these games 20 years from now.
Might as well consider them as some kind of live performance, you can capture a video of it, but not the experience itself.
So i'm not shocked that game companies don't give a shit about your PS4 library 10 years from now.
Maybe that's true another generation from now when everything goes Gamepass, but currently that's overly dramatic. There's no doubt you will be able to play current games until discs decay, at least PS4 titles. Not so much digitally, but then again, even on Steam I consider everything I have a play permission at best. But physical PS4 games already work without the internal clock on PS5. It's apparently super simple to remove that restriction on PS4 too. If Sony for some weird reason decides to turn the switch back on for PS5 and then also refuses to update the PS4 firmware when the problems start, then I'm sure there quickly will be someone out of 120 million PS4 users to make an idiot-safe instant-hack in a day. You might be concerned for the lack of patches in the future, but out of like 200+ HD games I'd played (unpatched), there's been less than five I considered unplayable or too rough. The biggest deficit will be DLC.
Really bad point to make. It's like you just finally solved the riddle to video games. I hope that statement doesn't make me sound like a jerk. I don't mean it like that, but the reality is this applies to any console maker. They're always begging and listing good reasons to join them when they're down or on the way up. But once they're on that high they chase it straight to Gravy Town and get fat on their own chewy arrogance. It always happens to every company. We saw it with Sony with ps3, Nintendo with N64, and MS with Xbone. They always show their ass and then have a big, ugly spill. Once they get up, they brush their knees off, and beg for scraps till they're on top again.
Will happen with Sony once they've experienced their next down.
Will happen to Nintendo.
And yes, it will also happen with Microsoft.
This is why I don't get myself overly committed to a hardware manufacturer although it's obvious my preference is Sony. A lesson learned from being a prior Sega kid.
Quotethis is just how modern consumer tech works m8s.
This is such a bullshit cop-out lol.
why? walled gardens, vendor lock-in, drm, built-in obsolescence. every software and hardware company, especially the ones we're discussing, engages in these practices. sony might be the worst? idk, the criteria seems vague. i could point out a host of issues with every platform.
That's what I'm saying, so I don't see the point in giving MS credit for a theoretical future proof strategy that could change any other year. They care about BC now. When it matters even more in the future? Maybe. Or not. It's even more moot if you actually look at what their bc is. Ok, I'll take Banjo Kazooie HD and 4K Ninja Gaiden, that's nice. But that's just a couple of games out of thousands that won't be remastered individually. And they are all depending on an online service that current leadership deems worthy, while they don't actually seem to step away from all these online setups required on XBones. As more details emerge around all these things, I'm actually feeling safer about my PS4 collection.
Calm your tits Tasty, it was a genuine question, i even said i agree with the general sentiment.
there are maybe 1 or 2 companies in the world capable of competing with m$ on that level. virtualization tech is more important to m$ bottom line than the entire xbox brand. expecting sony to compete with ms on that level is a little wild imo
Most likely: xcloud on Switch, Game Pass on SwitchMy money is on xcloud. I don't see how Game Pass would work unless they completely overhaul their specs.
Likely: Master Chief Collection on Switch, Rare Replay, Forza Horizon 4
Not gonna happen but would cause meltdowns: full blown partnership and collaboration between Microsoft and Nintendo. Xbox gets Nintendo games, Nintendo gets Xbox Live and all services attached to it.
Really bad point to make. It's like you just finally solved the riddle to video games. I hope that statement doesn't make me sound like a jerk. I don't mean it like that, but the reality is this applies to any console maker. They're always begging and listing good reasons to join them when they're down or on the way up. But once they're on that high they chase it straight to Gravy Town and get fat on their own chewy arrogance. It always happens to every company. We saw it with Sony with ps3, Nintendo with N64, and MS with Xbone. They always show their ass and then have a big, ugly spill. Once they get up, they brush their knees off, and beg for scraps till they're on top again.I dunno, I feel like they've moved to a point that console generations are sort of fluid and their business model is resistant enough to not be put down by a single failed console.
Will happen with Sony once they've experienced their next down.
Will happen to Nintendo.
And yes, it will also happen with Microsoft.
This is why I don't get myself overly committed to a hardware manufacturer although it's obvious my preference is Sony. A lesson learned from being a prior Sega kid.
I genuinely don't know what this implies, that i have a beef against you or against Nintendo? ???Calm your tits Tasty, it was a genuine question, i even said i agree with the general sentiment.
But what's the point in asking that question at that point in the discussion? Should we start bringing 64DD and Setallaview into things too? :thinking
My tits became agitated because if bork or Cindi had posted that post on trophies, would you have even thought to bring up the Wii U and 3DS in your reply? My belief is no.
Should be pointing the finger at Capcom, not Sony... They're the ones that accepted the bags of money Sony offered them to lock it lower. Capcom could've chose to laugh them out of the room like Nintendo did to MS back in the day, but they said "sure" instead.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Should be pointing the finger at Capcom, not Sony... They're the ones that accepted the bags of money Sony offered them to lock it lower. Capcom could've chose to laugh them out of the room like Nintendo did to MS back in the day, but they said "sure" instead.Isn't Rise exclusive and then later only on PC because Nintendo paid them? Didn’t they also pay to keep it off the Vita back then?
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
I'm really trying to see what it'd take to migrate my ps4 collection to Xbone for most of my favorites at least like Dark Souls Trilogy and Sekiro.
MH World is also on Xbox! *dances*
My shift from the PS ecosystem might be way easier than I thought. :) Main concern is arcade stick.
Noting every single game that interests me to see if it's on X.You're not interested in Guilty Gear Strive?
:rejoice
This fall I get XSX. :rejoice
I’d be fully recommending the same except for one really unfortunate problem at the moment: pc hardware prices are out of control fucking bonkers at the moment, and I doubt they’ll normalize anytime this year. If you can get most of what you want with a series s or x and don’t want to wait all that long, I feel likes it’s an alright purchase as a stopgap.
I’d be fully recommending the same except for one really unfortunate problem at the moment: pc hardware prices are out of control fucking bonkers at the moment, and I doubt they’ll normalize anytime this year. If you can get most of what you want with a series s or x and don’t want to wait all that long, I feel likes it’s an alright purchase as a stopgap.
IIRC Cindi is interested in a new laptop (and might have already gotten it?) where this isn't as much of an issue.
So because of an issue, you have convinced is bigger than it is, you're going to change plans and also rebuy all your games and switch to a console that also may have issues in the far future.
ok.
Strive is on PC? Yeah so is everything the Xbox offers.
In fighting games, most players have migrated to PC already.
In fighting games, most players have migrated to PC already.
:confused
I genuinely don't know what this implies, that i have a beef against you or against Nintendo? ???Calm your tits Tasty, it was a genuine question, i even said i agree with the general sentiment.
But what's the point in asking that question at that point in the discussion? Should we start bringing 64DD and Setallaview into things too? :thinking
My tits became agitated because if bork or Cindi had posted that post on trophies, would you have even thought to bring up the Wii U and 3DS in your reply? My belief is no.
The former just isn't true, the latter is, but i also hate MS and Sony equally. :-*
I also can't stand Steam, Oculus, Twitter, Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Wacom, Adobe... come to think of it, i hate a lot of companies. :thinking
I brought it up because the ability to retain you library was relevant to the idea of retaining your purchases past your immediate hardware's life span.
In fighting games, most players have migrated to PC already.
:confused
The players I play with at least. My group and people I play with play on PC. Doesn't matter the game or community: 3S, ST, GG, Tekken. They all prefer PC. The entire rollback thing from the past year is a big example. GG +R and KOF02 have been having a massive revival. Why? Rollback. Where? PC. The PC playing FG community is fucking huge.
-The people you like to play with game on PC.
-All the games you're interested in are on PC.
-Everything on Xbox is also on PC.
...Why do you want an Xbox again?
Yeah im pretty happy I got my RTX 3070 at fucking launch for 649 euros, which seemed like a lot of money at the time but now its like double that priceThat's what you would pay for a GTX 1660 or RX580 now, if you can find one and that's a big if :doge
-The people you like to play with game on PC.
-All the games you're interested in are on PC.
-Everything on Xbox is also on PC.
...Why do you want an Xbox again?
Because fighting games aren't the only genre I play, I prefer physical, and generally also prefer consoles. Fighting games are also not that resource heavy.
It cant be that much lmao... I saw some shit cards having 250 bids tho..I wish I was joking
shouldnt have sold my 1060 3gb for 125 when I got this card but eh fuck it
-The people you like to play with game on PC.
-All the games you're interested in are on PC.
-Everything on Xbox is also on PC.
...Why do you want an Xbox again?
Because fighting games aren't the only genre I play, I prefer physical, and generally also prefer consoles. Fighting games are also not that resource heavy.
It's pretty clear that you've made up your mind. Just hope you don't regret it when something you want inevitably comes out for Playstation that's not on Xbox or the FGC decides to go with PS5 for local play.
Shit is nuts! I feel more and more lucky I got what I got when I got it.It cant be that much lmao... I saw some shit cards having 250 bids tho..I wish I was joking
shouldnt have sold my 1060 3gb for 125 when I got this card but eh fuck it
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If this whole cmos issue is such a big deal to you and your concerned that one day possibly the authentication server, why aren’t you worried by the Series X needling an online authentication for BC games, even disc. So why isn’t that a big issue?
And what is Xbox offering?
Did you also predict the trend where 360 threw away first party and went kinnct focused?
Or that PS3 would course correct?
Or that the Wii would double down on things like Wii music?
Can you name a single noteworthy fighting game not available on PC? Street Fighter V is on PS4 but it's also on PC. I'm not sure what your point you're trying to make. At most, I'd have to get an arcade stick that supports PS5 support.
I'm showing I'm willing to play on PC, but not make it my main platform. Take Demons Souls. It's on PS5, yes. But it's also coming to PC.
Pretty bizarre suggestion to want to make me commit to PC, a mostly digital platform, when we have been talking about Sony closing their PS store for multiple systems.
It cant be that much lmao... I saw some shit cards having 250 bids tho..I wish I was joking
shouldnt have sold my 1060 3gb for 125 when I got this card but eh fuck it
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My outlook is I have Series X for current gen AAA games and gamepass, a Switch for Nintendo games/JRPGs/Weeb stuff, and I'm going to build a PC for emulation and revisiting older games that haven't been ported or random indie games.
This hobby has a lot versatility with what platforms offer.
A bigger conundrum this gen is what TV/Monitor to use and what features you wanna prioritize. I always fuck with budget stuff and try to get bang for my buck without spending too much.
At this point, 144HZ/240HZ is more alluring than 4K. Not many console games offer 120HZ as an option yet, but the ones that do plus freesync with 144/240HZ has impressed me way more than 4K. OLED tvs with decent HDR isn't something I've experienced, but gaming monitors right now are plentiful, are super cheap dollars wise, and offer amazing color and performance at the cost of grayish black levels.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/acer/nitro-xf243y-pbmiiprx
I got this recently and for $200 it's amazing.
PS5 has Astrobot; one of the greatest 3D platformers in existence, and the DualSense; The greatest controller to date with it's haptic responses and a d-pad rolled back to perfection like the OG PS controllers. Plus my hundreds of $$ spent on my PS library have now all been improved, breathing new life into the hundreds of games I have... All for $400..:doge :doge :doge
No losing detected.
:win
Plus my hundreds of $$ spent on my PS library have now all been improved, breathing new life into the hundreds of games I have... All for $400..*PS1, PS2, PSP, PSVite and PS3 excluded :brain
Ain't nobody got time to go back and play those. I don't even have time to go back and play the mass of PS4 games I have. If I really felt I needed to go back and try a PS1, PS2 or PSP game, I can play it on my phone with upscaled resolution and save states. :bettyPlus my hundreds of $$ spent on my PS library have now all been improved, breathing new life into the hundreds of games I have... All for $400..*PS1, PS2, PSP, PSVite and PS3 excluded :brain
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2021/04/21/ps4-ps5-cmos/Sony actually listening to people and looking to do something about it?! The gall! :info
https://twitter.com/DoesItPlay1/status/1384278650485231623
:thinking
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2021/04/21/ps4-ps5-cmos/
https://twitter.com/DoesItPlay1/status/1384278650485231623
:thinking
She extracted what info she could pull out of them. :popularhttps://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2021/04/21/ps4-ps5-cmos/
https://twitter.com/DoesItPlay1/status/1384278650485231623
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Damn I guess Jessica really was on top of things!
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2021/04/21/ps4-ps5-cmos/
https://twitter.com/DoesItPlay1/status/1384278650485231623
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https://twitter.com/DoesItPlay1/status/1384278650485231623
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Ain't nobody got time to go back and play those.Plus my hundreds of $$ spent on my PS library have now all been improved, breathing new life into the hundreds of games I have... All for $400..*PS1, PS2, PSP, PSVite and PS3 excluded :brain
I know that's not that's not the point of all this, but I certainly don't care. :trumps Looking back, I pretty much never played PS1 games on my PS2... Never played PS2 or PS1 games on my OG PS3 60GB... Even though I couldn't go back to play my PS3 on PS4, but didn't care... Only now does it matter some, because times have changed and my time to play is much shorter, so PS4 backlog is real. And I'll be honest, If PS5 wasn't PS4 BC, I'd be ok with that too (my kids wouldn't though).Ain't nobody got time to go back and play those.Plus my hundreds of $$ spent on my PS library have now all been improved, breathing new life into the hundreds of games I have... All for $400..*PS1, PS2, PSP, PSVite and PS3 excluded :brain
:iface
I know that's not that's not the point of all this, but I certainly don't care. :trumps Looking back, I pretty much never played PS1 games on my PS2... Never played PS2 or PS1 games on my OG PS3 60GB... Even though I couldn't go back to play my PS3 on PS4, but didn't care... Only now does it matter some, because times have changed and my time to play is much shorter, so PS4 backlog is real. And I'll be honest, If PS5 wasn't PS4 BC, I'd be ok with that too (my kids wouldn't though).Ain't nobody got time to go back and play those.Plus my hundreds of $$ spent on my PS library have now all been improved, breathing new life into the hundreds of games I have... All for $400..*PS1, PS2, PSP, PSVite and PS3 excluded :brain
:iface
Overall, there's really nothing for gamers to complain about in the grand scheme of things.
I know that's not that's not the point of all this, but I certainly don't care. :trumps Looking back, I pretty much never played PS1 games on my PS2... Never played PS2 or PS1 games on my OG PS3 60GB... Even though I couldn't go back to play my PS3 on PS4, but didn't care... Only now does it matter some, because times have changed and my time to play is much shorter, so PS4 backlog is real. And I'll be honest, If PS5 wasn't PS4 BC, I'd be ok with that too (my kids wouldn't though).Ain't nobody got time to go back and play those.Plus my hundreds of $$ spent on my PS library have now all been improved, breathing new life into the hundreds of games I have... All for $400..*PS1, PS2, PSP, PSVite and PS3 excluded :brain
:iface
That would be like defending Nintendo saying, "Hey, I have a hankering for some Goldeneye64" But nothing of Nintendo's hardware can play it other than a busted ass N64. But it's ok. It was just a fun game to play back then. But in spite of everything else y'all mentioned, the big difference is that I'm done with physical games (except Switch, but that's a beast of it's own that my kids want), hence my stand on the situations of late.. I would be even sold on streaming games with no hardware, if the quality was there. Only a matter of time. Stadia was almost too good to be true, but we all see how their doodoo support was.Overall, there's really nothing for gamers to complain about in the grand scheme of things.
:cac
I think "Hey, at some point this game system is going to be completely useless and you won't even be able to play physical copies" is a pretty valid thing to have a complaint against.
That said, this is ultimately going to end up being a problem on all consoles at varying degrees. Even if you have nothing but physical copies of games, patches and DLC are not going to be available at some point, and it's going to depend on the games individually for how much or how little that might matter.
For example, if theoretically PS4 and Xbox One game content is unavailable 15-20 years from now and you've got a craving to play some Tekken 7, popping that disc in is going to get you the launch version without all the years' worth of updates, new content, new moves, and all the new roster additions.
This is one of the big reasons why a lot of people are still into physical game collecting and get kind of heated when something is released "incomplete," particularly when it's something from one of the limited game publishers who claim to release titles as complete on cart/disc.
I'm playing Drakengard 3 in preparation for the Nier remake tomorrow.Im sorry.
That would be like defending Nintendo saying, "Hey, I have a hankering for some Goldeneye64" But nothing of Nintendo's hardware can play it other than a busted ass N64. But it's ok. It was just a fun game to play back then.Overall, there's really nothing for gamers to complain about in the grand scheme of things.
:cac
I think "Hey, at some point this game system is going to be completely useless and you won't even be able to play physical copies" is a pretty valid thing to have a complaint against.
That said, this is ultimately going to end up being a problem on all consoles at varying degrees. Even if you have nothing but physical copies of games, patches and DLC are not going to be available at some point, and it's going to depend on the games individually for how much or how little that might matter.
For example, if theoretically PS4 and Xbox One game content is unavailable 15-20 years from now and you've got a craving to play some Tekken 7, popping that disc in is going to get you the launch version without all the years' worth of updates, new content, new moves, and all the new roster additions.
This is one of the big reasons why a lot of people are still into physical game collecting and get kind of heated when something is released "incomplete," particularly when it's something from one of the limited game publishers who claim to release titles as complete on cart/disc.
But in spite of everything else y'all mentioned, the big difference is that I'm done with physical games (except Switch, but that's a beast of it's own that my kids want), hence my stand on the situations of late.. I would be even sold on streaming games with no hardware, if the quality was there. Only a matter of time. Stadia was almost too good to be true, but we all see how their doodoo support was.
https://majornelson.com/fpsboost/?ocid=Platform_soc_omc_xbo_tw_Photo_lrn_4.22.2Meh seems like a waste to me.
120fps for your Xbox EA games
Mirrors Edge and Titanfall 2 at 120fps mmmm goddamn thats good if u own an Xbox
https://majornelson.com/fpsboost/?ocid=Platform_soc_omc_xbo_tw_Photo_lrn_4.22.2Meh seems like a waste to me.
120fps for your Xbox EA games
Mirrors Edge and Titanfall 2 at 120fps mmmm goddamn thats good if u own an Xbox
Maybe not a gimmick, but I doubt there’s many who can take advantage of it. Titanfall 2 and ME already looked and ran great on the One X. Would rather have these efforts put forward on games that can use it like say Lost Odyssey and so on.
How is 120fps a gimmick lmao
Maybe not a gimmick, but I doubt there’s many who can take advantage of it. Titanfall 2 and ME already looked and ran great on the One X. Would rather have these efforts put forward on games that can use it like say Lost Odyssey and so on.
Gaming monitors as a whole are either 4K, or 1080P/1440P 144/240HZ. It's been this way for years at this point. Top end TVs last year were all about high refresh rates and adaptive sync.
Refresh rates aren't a gimmick. Might as well say game performance or feel as a whole doesn't matter. Higher refresh rates feel better to play. Tons of videos detail this. It isn't just about some sort of competitive edge, game feel benefits a fuck ton from high framerate and refresh rates.
You have the choice of games looking better (4K), or running/feeling better (144/240HZ)
A solid 120/144fps in fast-paced games is fantastic.
I hope to someday actually experience 120fps. :-[
That's probably 120fps / 1080p (or a lower dynamic resolution)
Is that true? I hooked my Series X up to my 1440p 175hz monitor and it wouldn’t allow that.
“1440p can only do 1440p @ 60hz. The monitors are not equipped with HDMI 2.1 to allow for 1440p @ 120hz. You can only get 1440p @ 120hz if you use the display port, which the Xbox does not have.Nov 10, 2020“
Either way it’s a feature I bet about 90% of the users can’t use.
A solid 120/144fps in fast-paced games is fantastic.I hope to someday actually experience 120fps. :-[
My experience with it is that it's hard to tell a difference once you're over 100 frames or so, but regardless, it's pretty awesome- everything just feels so incredibly smooth. It's mainly a bigger deal in competitive FPS games and the like because with a good, fast monitor, you're getting insanely smooth motion and minimal input lag.
Don't ask me how it would work, but a fighting game designed specifically for high refresh rate monitors would be cool.
Don't ask me how it would work, but a fighting game designed specifically for high refresh rate monitors would be cool.The current crop of games I think already have issue with motion clarity at 60 fps. Having the extra tween frames in fast games like SF, smash and guilty would really make things more readable, I think
How is 120fps a gimmick lmao
I just don't see the point in it as someone satisfied with 30.
Rah is referring to Lost Odyssey's myriad of flaws like long load times and frame rate.
idgaf about 30fps, as long as the game doesn't turn I to a slide slow I'm gucci :trumps
How is 120fps a gimmick lmao
I just don't see the point in it as someone satisfied with 30.
Rah is referring to Lost Odyssey's myriad of flaws like long load times and frame rate.
I uh what
Satisfied with 30?????? Are u ok?
The thought of 120fps sounds almost inhuman, as light bulb flashes at 60 times a second. It's not even noticeable to the human eye. I can't imagine I'll ever have the need for 120fps.
In fairness to Cindi, I think what she’s touching on is that not having a faster frame rate isn’t a detriment to her enjoyment of most good games, which I would agree with pretty much entirely.
Its kind of a waste when there plenty of other 30fps BC games that could be updated instead of adding a feature that most can't use.You do realize they're not done adding FPS boost to games, right? Maybe it was just easier/quicker to do on these EA games.
I doubt most people have HDMI 2.1 TVs. Updating an already perfect running game like Titanfall 2 is boring.
Battlefield 4 runs at 120fps. Does it still have a sub 1080p Rez?
Catalyst runs at 120fps. Does it still look like crap?
Even though I have yet to see 120fps, 60fps to 120fps seems to be only for the e-sport extremists type.. The thought of 120fps sounds almost inhuman, as light bulb flashes at 60 times a second. It's not even noticeable to the human eye. I can't imagine I'll ever have the need for 120fps. It would be nice to have the option I suppose... just seems unnecessary for 95% of gamers out there.
I doubt most people have HDMI 2.1 TVs. Updating an already perfect running game like Titanfall 2 is boring.
You can definitely tell the difference between 60 and 120, even just in the mouse cursor moving around more smoothly.
That said, it's a diminishing return thing, so it doesn't feel as drastic as the jump between 30 and 60, even though it's double the amount of frames being added.
240fps, now that's probably just for esports types, LinusTechTips had a video testing that:
https://youtu.be/OX31kZbAXsA
How is 120fps a gimmick lmao
I just don't see the point in it as someone satisfied with 30.
Rah is referring to Lost Odyssey's myriad of flaws like long load times and frame rate.
I uh what
Satisfied with 30?????? Are u ok?
Fighting, racing, and fps are the only games I demand be 60. Played Bloodborne, which is 30, and loved it just fine. It's not that important to me.
In fairness to Cindi, I think what she’s touching on is that not having a faster frame rate isn’t a detriment to her enjoyment of most good games, which I would agree with pretty much entirely.
Playing Control on PS5 was a unique experience. I jumped between graphics mode and performance mode way more than expected. When going around environments with heavy reflections and lighting, graphics mode... Tougher, more intense boss fights, performance mode. This becoming a thing now is definitely welcome... at least for Control. With games like Demon's Souls, there's very little reason to play in graphics mode... Toggled it once.. :kobeyuck won't do that again.
120fps is pretty nice. Playing Doom Eternal on those framerates is godly. But 60 > 120fps is not as big a difference for me as 30 > 60fps is.
Still if we get higher framerates or better looking games I'm all for it.
I think we've sort of hit the ceiling with resolutions anyway. Post 4k it really becomes a matter of screen size not resolution.
The way I see it up to 32" you're ok with either 1080p or 1440p. Then between 32" and 65" you definitely want at least 4k or something close to it.
4K/HDR OLED really is a blessing. Whether it is Lord of the Rings or Tennet in 4k, Xenoblade upressed or RTX enabled games like CONTROL. Everything looks so smooth :whew
In that sense I feel that we really hit a golden age of video games and movies in terms of availability of content at the best possible quality.
Playing Control on PS5 was a unique experience. I jumped between graphics mode and performance mode way more than expected. When going around environments with heavy reflections and lighting, graphics mode... Tougher, more intense boss fights, performance mode. This becoming a thing now is definitely welcome... at least for Control. With games like Demon's Souls, there's very little reason to play in graphics mode... Toggled it once.. :kobeyuck won't do that again.
This is why I've become a bigger fan of playing on PC- I can run Control with all the crazy 'graphics' mode stuff enabled and at a better framerate than what 'performance' on a console offers.
:lawd
Will be interesting to see if devs can get the consoles to do 4K/60 FPS/Full detail/RTX on by the end of the gen.
Even though I have yet to see 120fps, 60fps to 120fps seems to be only for the e-sport extremists type.. The thought of 120fps sounds almost inhuman, as light bulb flashes at 60 times a second. It's not even noticeable to the human eye. I can't imagine I'll ever have the need for 120fps. It would be nice to have the option I suppose... just seems unnecessary for 95% of gamers out there.I doubt most people have HDMI 2.1 TVs. Updating an already perfect running game like Titanfall 2 is boring.
These are very "old man yelling at the clouds" type responses. :doge Rahx, you've said "I doubt most people have HDMI 2.1 TVs" multiple times in this post. Doesn't matter- it's a new standard that more and more TVs and monitors are going to have going forward.You can definitely tell the difference between 60 and 120, even just in the mouse cursor moving around more smoothly.
That said, it's a diminishing return thing, so it doesn't feel as drastic as the jump between 30 and 60, even though it's double the amount of frames being added.
240fps, now that's probably just for esports types, LinusTechTips had a video testing that:
https://youtu.be/OX31kZbAXsA
Some of you guys might want to check out your phone screens and see what they're running at- my Pixel 4 XL is 90hz and the difference when just scrolling up and down with it enabled is pretty noticeable versus 60hz. So you may already have something like this available to compare.How is 120fps a gimmick lmao
I just don't see the point in it as someone satisfied with 30.
Rah is referring to Lost Odyssey's myriad of flaws like long load times and frame rate.
I uh what
Satisfied with 30?????? Are u ok?
Fighting, racing, and fps are the only games I demand be 60. Played Bloodborne, which is 30, and loved it just fine. It's not that important to me.
Looks pretty awesome at 60 fps to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0tqppZDYxw
I'd certainly want to play it this way if given the choice. Ditto for 120 fps- I'm sure Devil May Cry 5 SE on the next-gen consoles is amazing with 120 fps enabled.In fairness to Cindi, I think what she’s touching on is that not having a faster frame rate isn’t a detriment to her enjoyment of most good games, which I would agree with pretty much entirely.
Definitely- just don't see a reason to be against having better framerate options is all.Playing Control on PS5 was a unique experience. I jumped between graphics mode and performance mode way more than expected. When going around environments with heavy reflections and lighting, graphics mode... Tougher, more intense boss fights, performance mode. This becoming a thing now is definitely welcome... at least for Control. With games like Demon's Souls, there's very little reason to play in graphics mode... Toggled it once.. :kobeyuck won't do that again.
This is why I've become a bigger fan of playing on PC- I can run Control with all the crazy 'graphics' mode stuff enabled and at a better framerate than what 'performance' on a console offers.
:lawd
Will be interesting to see if devs can get the consoles to do 4K/60 FPS/Full detail/RTX on by the end of the gen.
BB 60 fps looks good but I honestly don't see how the original BB is unplayable because it's 30. Just something I don't care about unless I'm playing a fighter or arcade game.Just to clarify, i finished the game so obv. it's playable, i'm saying the bad framepacing (causing constant hitching and stuttering) annoys me and gives me a slight motion sickness, too.
This is tested on the video i posted and yes, even at lowers refresh rates, high FPS still reduces input lag and outdated information.I doubt most people have HDMI 2.1 TVs. Updating an already perfect running game like Titanfall 2 is boring.
Battlefield 4 runs at 120fps. Does it still have a sub 1080p Rez?
Catalyst runs at 120fps. Does it still look like crap?
Even if your tv doesnt support 60fps im still sure 120fps gives you better performance even if your tv doesnt display 120fps
but maybe im talking outta my ass but Im pretty sure I looked that up once
BB 60 fps looks good but I honestly don't see how the original BB is unplayable because it's 30. Just something I don't care about unless I'm playing a fighter or arcade game.Just to clarify, i finished the game so obv. it's playable, i'm saying the bad framepacing (causing constant hitching and stuttering) annoys me and gives me a slight motion sickness, too.
So it put me off playing it again.
Since they could easily patch it for 60fps on PS5 there's really no excuse for Sony to keep ignoring one of their most iconic games, when they seem to patch everything else (they patched fucking Days Gone, ffs).
4K? 120 fps? Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario Kart, and Street Fighter II Turbo are all in 224-240p and most are probably under 30 fps. And probably zero of them run on the base silicon of the SNES. You kids these days with your PlayBox Series 5 and your 144hz TVs... :hmph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ErBf409DkYeah they fixed it later.
:kobeyuck
did they fix the music being tied to the lesser framerate in the ps1/n64 era cos I don't remember that any songs from Tony Hawk 1 or 2 sounded all wrong (it has been over 20 years tbf :doge)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ErBf409Dk
:kobeyuck
Yes kids are dumb, this is well-known.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ErBf409Dk
:kobeyuck
did they fix the music being tied to the lesser framerate in the ps1/n64 era cos I don't remember that any songs from Tony Hawk 1 or 2 sounded all wrong (it has been over 20 years tbf :doge)
Another problem of PAL games (at least some of them) was the black bars on top and bottom, squishing the image vertically. :-\
Most sprite games from that era were 60 fps. :PThat's why I picked pinnacle genre games that all have slowdown in them. I should have included Mega Man X too! :P
"Zero of them run on the base silicon of the SNES"The games I picked, and most SNES games IIRC, run with extra chips inside the carts. The SNES CPU is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ... it's not fast ... ooooooowwwwwwwwwwww. Any game with SuperFX, for example, runs mostly on that rather than using the far slower SNES CPU. (You can't run them in parallel, the SNES bus isn't fast enough.) Most every game has a DSP of some type in the cartridge. It's like including a USB dongle with every game!
Wat
Pretty sure Unreal Engine didn't exist back then benji, they were still coding ASM to the metal. :wtf
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Super_NES_Programming/Introduction_to_assembly
did they fix the music being tied to the lesser framerate in the ps1/n64 era cos I don't remember that any songs from Tony Hawk 1 or 2 sounded all wrong (it has been over 20 years tbf :doge)Yes, especially PS1 which plays that stuff off the CD tracks. PAL consoles in the earlier generations were clocked differently which affected the entire system's overall speeds and nobody would bother to adjust the music for playing at a different speed for whatever reason.
Guess those potential acquisition talks with MS didn't go so well :lolDiscord probably thinks they can still make more money on their own and they aren't wrong if they pursue partnerships like this.
https://www.sie.com/en/blog/announcing-playstations-new-partnership-with-discord/
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Sony is charging devs for crossplay
For the payers
Guess those potential acquisition talks with MS didn't go so well :lol
https://www.sie.com/en/blog/announcing-playstations-new-partnership-with-discord/
microsoft should bring TEAMS to xbox :lol :-XThere are always big glass soulless buildings that BLOCK everything except for software released by Microsoft Corp even if it is a shitty clone of something else.
i dont understand why ms don't just lift the ideas other, better software has fixing their own shit instead of these constant acquisitions. what's the point of paying 7 billi for a company like skype when they barely make use of the tech and end up just dissolving shit anyway. teams could and should be great, but it's such a goddamn turd.
Whoever is leaking that shit might get in a world of trouble. Those are all from the lawsuit with Apple, so the list of suspects can't be that long.I'm leaning towards Apple, these leaks hurt Epic the most.
Having to read more then 3 lines of text is illegal.
https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1389281643798704132Having to read more then 3 lines of text is illegal.
That's why you just wait for the funny parts to get highlighted, like "Tim Sweeney asked under oath if he can identify a PS5 for some reason (he could)".
THE COALITION MOVING TO NEXT-GEN DEVELOPMENT, UNREAL ENGINE 5I would say Gears 6 by 2025?
At The Coalition, we pride ourselves on delivering the best possible Gears of War games and the best possible game performance using cutting-edge tools like Unreal Engine. We wanted to update our fans on both of those things.
Thank you to all the fans out there who have been on this journey with us. During a worldwide pandemic and working from home, the team launched a first strategy title, Gears Tactics; re-launched Gears 5 and Tactics on Xbox Series X|S hardware with performance upgrades and features; revamped Gears 5 multiplayer with a ton of content and updates; and capped the year with the first mainline campaign expansion – Gears 5: Hivebusters – in almost a decade. As we look to future games, we’re excited to start shifting our resources to next-gen development using Unreal Engine 5. Gears of War has always been at the front of Unreal Engine development – as a breakout 720p title for Xbox 360 through last year’s 120FPS multiplayer update for Xbox Series X|S – and we’re excited to continue that tradition by developing on UE5 for multiple new projects in the coming years.
What does this mean for our current titles?
Gears 5 has content on the way, and we’ll continue to release new operations through Operations 7 and 8. Each Operation will have two drops including new characters, new maps, and special events. Through the end of the year, we will have store updates with exciting new content as well as featured playlists.
Shifting to a new engine is a big undertaking, so we want to be clear that we will not be announcing any new projects or titles for some time.
Last, our amazing team needs more exceptional professionals to help us continue to push the envelope, so, we’re hiring!
Thanks again to all of our fans. We’re eager to get to work and show you what we’re working on when the time is right.
The Coalition
Can't wait till Retro makes a modest-looking Samus and the ghouls at neogaf and co cry about sjw pandering female character designs.
Zero Suit Samus? ZSS has always been fucking stupid.Can't wait till Retro makes a modest-looking Samus and the ghouls at neogaf and co cry about sjw pandering female character designs.
Modest compared to what?
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what are ya some kinda finook? defined abs and biceps, oof madone. ever heard of an exoskeleton?
https://twitter.com/JeffGrubb/status/1391223951225876483
tbh, would be pretty comfortable betting MP4 becomes the best selling entry in the series. even if it isn't rated a top tier entry w nerds, it will smash 3 million units simply because it's on a popular console, will have a decent marketing budget and is guaranteed to be more focused on accessibility
Why not have a proper AAA open world (as in MetroidVania open world, not GTA open world) 3rd person Metroid? ???I think it could work as a sort of Nier Automata type game, where Samus lands on a planet and has to figure out through logs and exploring the environment (much like Prime 1) what the hell happened.
When MP1 was announced, people were skeptical about the first person, but then it worked, no? They could go ahead and try something new again.
Why not have a proper AAA open world (as in MetroidVania open world, not GTA open world) 3rd person Metroid? ???
When MP1 was announced, people were skeptical about the first person, but then it worked, no? They could go ahead and try something new again.
I remember Nintendo releasing a Metroid quake mod for Nintendo DS with a character that was both a sniper and invisible. :dogeI spent more time online with that game than anyone should. :lol
All major platforms are successful and every major publisher is doing well. Gauging different elements, Nintendo imo has "won" the war. They manufacture a console that is inexpensive to manufacture that continues to sell.Nintendo is rolling out the T34's while Sony can't find parts for their Tigers
The Switch will most likely reach PS2 level sales when it's all said and done. Bouncing back like that after the Wii-U is astonishing.
All major platforms are successful and every major publisher is doing well. Gauging different elements, Nintendo imo has "won" the war. They manufacture a console that is inexpensive to manufacture that continues to sell.
The Switch will most likely reach PS2 level sales when it's all said and done. Bouncing back like that after the Wii-U is astonishing.
A new challenger approaches
https://twitter.com/arstechnica/status/1397272770220806159 (https://twitter.com/arstechnica/status/1397272770220806159)
That's the thing- everything is getting made right now. EVERYTHING. Every indulgent niche whatever is out there. CRPGs in the mold of Torment to dumb shit that should be incinerated rather than played like Shenmue III, it's all out there. There's no reason for any segment of video game fandom to be sad right now, unless you want to play shit that's only on the new hardware and you can't buy a PS5 or Xbox series whatever
That's the thing- everything is getting made right now. EVERYTHING. Every indulgent niche whatever is out there. CRPGs in the mold of Torment to dumb shit that should be incinerated rather than played like Shenmue III, it's all out there. There's no reason for any segment of video game fandom to be sad right now, unless you want to play shit that's only on the new hardware and you can't buy a PS5 or Xbox series whatever
Not everything is made now. I hate this cliche modern gamers say. There's plenty to buy but not every niche is filled.
I feel like the statement "there is a greater variety of games being made now than ever before" is true.That's the thing- everything is getting made right now. EVERYTHING. Every indulgent niche whatever is out there. CRPGs in the mold of Torment to dumb shit that should be incinerated rather than played like Shenmue III, it's all out there. There's no reason for any segment of video game fandom to be sad right now, unless you want to play shit that's only on the new hardware and you can't buy a PS5 or Xbox series whatever
Not everything is made now. I hate this cliche modern gamers say. There's plenty to buy but not every niche is filled.
You're probably mad because major publishers aren't doing weird shit, which, like, fair. But it's out there, maybe not with the budget you want it to have. *shrugs*
You probably still just big mad because you got your wish with a Shenmue III release and it sucked big fucking donkey balls, just like I told you it would.
But what if I just want a traditional FF experience that's not trying to be an action game? I'm shit out of luck.
But what if I just want a traditional FF experience that's not trying to be an action game? I'm shit out of luck.
It's called Bravely Default 2 which released not too long ago. It's the spiritual succesor to the Four Heroes of Light DS game that in turn was a title based on the first 3 Final Fantasy games.
Your rpg examples just prove you're given scraps these days. No offense to Atelier series or Trails series. Trails games are not gameplay focused romps. They're 100 hour long story games. The fact I have to settle Atelier just makes my point for me. Ten years ago Atelier was bottom feeder rpg status. Now it's something you have to play if you want a semblance of turn based RPG gameplay. Yakuza 7 looks good though and is the most interesting jrpg I've seen in years. Unfortunately my PS4 is still in another state.
A panzaer dragoon remake means jack shit to me. Panzer 1 has been released how many times? I'm glad Zwei is being remade but like :yeshrugn These are dead genres. Light gun games are okay, but I prefer rail shooters, which is why I said those and not light guns.
I find it hard to go back to certain genres I adored back in the PS1 era... Some have evolved greatly... some, not so much. That being said, a lot of people's tastes and expectations have evolved greatly too. I get flippy floppy on wanting to stick with classic, tried and true gameplay, but I want those built on too at the same time. Guess it's hard to find that balance to tick all the boxes.
3D Action games have evolved nicely I'd say, but that genre was in it's infancy during the PS1 era. But like Cindy mentioned, JRPGS were practically all rock solid and stunning during that era... Now, I can't even stand to look at the art direction of some... Like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for example. FFVIIR is one exception where they successfully tied in everything that was great from the OG and built on top of it with great strides.I find it hard to go back to certain genres I adored back in the PS1 era... Some have evolved greatly... some, not so much. That being said, a lot of people's tastes and expectations have evolved greatly too. I get flippy floppy on wanting to stick with classic, tried and true gameplay, but I want those built on too at the same time. Guess it's hard to find that balance to tick all the boxes.
What genres? Some games haven't aged well, but I dunno about entire genres.
3D Action games have evolved nicely I'd say, but that genre was in it's infancy during the PS1 era. But like Cindy mentioned, JRPGS were practically all rock solid and stunning during that era... Now, I can't even stand to look at the art direction of some... Like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for example. FFVIIR is one exception where they successfully tied in everything that was great from the OG and built on top of it with great strides.I find it hard to go back to certain genres I adored back in the PS1 era... Some have evolved greatly... some, not so much. That being said, a lot of people's tastes and expectations have evolved greatly too. I get flippy floppy on wanting to stick with classic, tried and true gameplay, but I want those built on too at the same time. Guess it's hard to find that balance to tick all the boxes.
What genres? Some games haven't aged well, but I dunno about entire genres.
It's not, but it feels like all my younger days, favorite JRPG series have for the most part; Phantasy Star, Shining Series, Xeno series...3D Action games have evolved nicely I'd say, but that genre was in it's infancy during the PS1 era. But like Cindy mentioned, JRPGS were practically all rock solid and stunning during that era... Now, I can't even stand to look at the art direction of some... Like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for example. FFVIIR is one exception where they successfully tied in everything that was great from the OG and built on top of it with great strides.I find it hard to go back to certain genres I adored back in the PS1 era... Some have evolved greatly... some, not so much. That being said, a lot of people's tastes and expectations have evolved greatly too. I get flippy floppy on wanting to stick with classic, tried and true gameplay, but I want those built on too at the same time. Guess it's hard to find that balance to tick all the boxes.
What genres? Some games haven't aged well, but I dunno about entire genres.
Oh, you mean anime tiddy.
:exxy
That's not applicable to the entire genre.
It's not, but it feels like all my younger days, favorite JRPG series have for the most part; Phantasy Star, Shining Series, Xeno series...3D Action games have evolved nicely I'd say, but that genre was in it's infancy during the PS1 era. But like Cindy mentioned, JRPGS were practically all rock solid and stunning during that era... Now, I can't even stand to look at the art direction of some... Like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for example. FFVIIR is one exception where they successfully tied in everything that was great from the OG and built on top of it with great strides.I find it hard to go back to certain genres I adored back in the PS1 era... Some have evolved greatly... some, not so much. That being said, a lot of people's tastes and expectations have evolved greatly too. I get flippy floppy on wanting to stick with classic, tried and true gameplay, but I want those built on too at the same time. Guess it's hard to find that balance to tick all the boxes.
What genres? Some games haven't aged well, but I dunno about entire genres.
Oh, you mean anime tiddy.
:exxy
That's not applicable to the entire genre.
Rail shooters have never been a particularly-huge genre.
No arcade racers is the only thing I'm irritated about.
It's not, but it feels like all my younger days, favorite JRPG series have for the most part; Phantasy Star, Shining Series, Xeno series...3D Action games have evolved nicely I'd say, but that genre was in it's infancy during the PS1 era. But like Cindy mentioned, JRPGS were practically all rock solid and stunning during that era... Now, I can't even stand to look at the art direction of some... Like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for example. FFVIIR is one exception where they successfully tied in everything that was great from the OG and built on top of it with great strides.I find it hard to go back to certain genres I adored back in the PS1 era... Some have evolved greatly... some, not so much. That being said, a lot of people's tastes and expectations have evolved greatly too. I get flippy floppy on wanting to stick with classic, tried and true gameplay, but I want those built on too at the same time. Guess it's hard to find that balance to tick all the boxes.
What genres? Some games haven't aged well, but I dunno about entire genres.
Oh, you mean anime tiddy.
:exxy
That's not applicable to the entire genre.
Phantasy Star IV featured a half-nekkid catgirl. Shining went full uguu~ for sure, will give you that, but it's not really so pervy from what I remember? Xenosaga featured half-nekkid androids. Some of the character designs were tamer back then, but they were 'pervy' for the time.
I imagine Phantasy Star 4's Rika is probably too hot nowadays.
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If it's doing exactly what those original games are doing and you figure out it wasn't actually that good. Maybe the originals weren't that good to begin with?
Cindi also seems to be forgetting that when you look backwards you see everything all at once.
Phantasy Star
Dragon Warrior
Phantasy Star II
Final Fantasy
Destiny of an Emperor
Dragon Warrior II
Final Fantasy Legend, The
Sword of Vermilion
Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom
Final Fantasy Legend II
Final Fantasy II
These were released from 1988 to 1991 so a span of 4 years.
Kemco RPG Omnibus
Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore
Snack World: The Dungeon Crawl Gold
Persona 5 Royal
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition
Little Town Hero
Paper Mario: The Origami King
Fairy Tail
Nexomon: Extinction
Death end re;Quest 2
Moon: Remix RPG Adventure
CrossCode
Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV, The
Yakuza: Like a Dragon
Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition
Witch Spring 3 Re:Fine -The Story of the Marionette Witch Eirudy-
These were released in 2020.
(Special thanks to Landail for doing his insane Twitch run of all console rpgs ever released.)
Because you're talking about the flood of jrpgs we used to have. The yearly releases barely ever ran as high they do now. The years in which they did during the PS2 era they were also packed with the same b-tier shit you're talking about now.
I don't even understand your first point. "I want classic FF." They literally do exactly that and then you complain and when they do new shit you complain about that. I can't believe a spinoff series retains aspects of the series it is part of.
Is FF12 turn based? Then FF14 and FF7 Remake are turn based as well. Both are even getting new content this year.
Right, so I mean I guess give a shit about this "war" if you want? It's dumb. I'm still of the opinion that more people overall want Sony's exclusives but MS will sell a shit ton of gamepass subs to people who hate themselves enough to play like, infinite B tier games. It's whatever. The switch is obviously outselling everything but it's on older hardware so is this even a war? How do you score it?
i dont think we're ever going to get really streamlined focused JRPG's light on story and dialogue like FFV or early DQ's outside indie studios and remakes. even at the time FFV was originally released it was appreciated for it's gameplay but the story considered forgettable. i barely remember anything about it's world despite only playing it a few years ago, though anyone who's played VI remembers that game (and it defined a generation). i have quite specific critiques of the modernisation of FFVIIr that kinda apply to rpg's generally like the pacing is kinda thrown off at a few points with extremely dull fetch quests and some of the voice acting in towns is repetitive and triggered so frequently to the point i muted voices at a few points (when the game "opens up" after the plate falls).
still, for a style that was really borne from technical limitations that don't exist anymore there's still a lot of recent games pandering to it's fans; that new yakuza game, dq11, atelier, trails in cold steel, FFVIIr and some indie stuff like sea of stars or the upcoming suikoden successor eiyuden chronicle.
FFVI is also a bad example. FFVI is famous for giving the player control. Yes, it has more story than FFV, but because it's not to the point where it hampers the gameplay. FFVI is actually more open and has more freedom than FFV. WoR can be beaten with four party members, you don't even have to collect all of them. The problem with modern jrpgs is that story gets in the way of gameplay. They're constantly telling you what to do, where to go, what you can do, what you can't do so they can dictate your game experience. Jrpgs have turned in VNs.
eh, it's a superficial control at best. they let you miss characters but the game is very linear scenario wise.
i think a big part of this is videogames being defined significantly by their technical limitations and ambition. big budget games are required to be graphical showcases and assets need to be so much more complex, you're not going to get much random content thrown in that you could just miss entirely. who knows, maybe the DQ creators have always wanted to communicate the characterization you loathe but haven't been able to, due to technical hurdles and smaller budgets. also time, success, big teams and money warps everything it touches. it's amazing to me these franchises have held up to this day and continue to be critically acclaimed. almost unheard of in other mediums
Meanwhile you can still make a great movie with 1 million bucks and make a profit.
also, it's not westerners it's capitalism and capitulating to market forces "destroying" your weeb games. and wrpg's are stronger and more complex than they've ever been. i've read you complaining about shit like the witcher 3 specifically like 1) that defines wrpg trends or 2) is a simple game (the build diversity and ways you can approach different scenarios is huge)Meanwhile you can still make a great movie with 1 million bucks and make a profit.
comeon. only incredibly small, independent films are made on this kind of budget
DQ11 is one of the best in the series and 7 is one of the wordiest. :doge
DQXI had a new director and team. Essentially Horii is retiring. It's the new guard. I'm fucked.
FF12 is turn based.
FF12 is turn based.
It's not. Then any game with cooldown timers on special attacks is turn based. God of War 2018 was my favourite turn based rpg.