FitnessBore - 2018 edition

[Cormacaroni]

that'll all change if/when you get off the blood sugar seesaw

People traditionally did not just fucking cease to function after a couple hours of inactivity

[TakingBackSunday]

yeah, hopefully!  I've already been in better moods with more energy these last two weeks, so there's that.

I do miss beer though.  Gonna have to start drinking wine I guess.

[Groogrux]

As of today, I've lost 26 lbs since starting CNS on 1/2/13.  It's not as much as I had hoped it would be, but I've had a bad week.  I didn't sleep well, I didn't exercise at all, and I didn't eat very well (even though I stayed under 30g carbs per day).

[Cormacaroni]

That's as much weight as I have ever lost, cumulatively, from my peak as a desk-riding fattie to right now. Pretty sick progress IMHO

[Eric P]

What's the matter with gluten free stuff?  I almost picked up some gluten-free bread at the store tonight but I was already wallet-deep in steaks, eggs, and veggies.  Plus the premise sounds disgusting anyway.

Also, what are some of the alternatives for burgers?  I made a pretty bitching turkey burger a half hour ago but I know bread shouldn't be consumed very frequently.

I do quite enjoy this diet so far.  It combines pretty much everything I love...while getting rid of some other stuff I love but eh fuck it.

Tomorrow's dinner is gonna be some steak and brocoli.  Mmmm.

most gluten free stuff is just more processed foods.  a lot of us feel you should focus on whole foods rather than processed foods.

the alternative to burgers is burgers.  burgers are typically ok, but make go for grass fed if you can.  Bison is pasture raised and is not much more expensive.

[Dickie Dee]

As of today, I've lost 26 lbs since starting CNS on 1/2/13.  It's not as much as I had hoped it would be, but I've had a bad week.  I didn't sleep well, I didn't exercise at all, and I didn't eat very well (even though I stayed under 30g carbs per day).

I wish I weighed myself on a reliable scale. I think I started on basically the same day you did. I didn't end up weighing myself until almost two weeks in.

Best guess is that I'm down ~20+ lbs.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

26 pounds in one month is fantastic.  Keep it up

[Cormacaroni]

that's pretty bitchin', good job

[Cormacaroni]

so are you two guys going insane from the 30g of carbs / day limit or what? how long do you plan on running this thing?

[Groogrux]

Honestly, it only bothers me every now and then.  I get jealous of my kid being able to get up and eat Fruity Pebbles in the morning sometimes.  But the only time I really feel like it's getting to me is the day right after the Carb Nite.  It's like being addicted, and just wanting to go back for more.  It passes soon after though.

As far as how long I'm going to do it?  The plan is to go the full 6 months and then take a break for a month.  I'll go back to the Primal Blueprint in my off-time, and reevaluate after that.  I just don't think that one cycle is going to be enough to make a big difference, but I also don't want to deprive my body from getting enough of the veggies, fruits, and SOME carbs that it needs.

However, if I feel that I've progressed enough -a little under- five months from now, I might consider going to CBL when I come back and giving that a shot.

[Dickie Dee]

I was seriously not adjusting well to the 30g/day. I think I'm somewhat slowly adjusting but talk of seeing an eventually overall energy boost from this diet seems wishful thinking at this point.

I've had a cold/flu this past week and think I've been eating more (still low carb and well below 100g but couldn't give you an exact count) - didn't see any big rebound of waterweight or anything, not that I trust my bathroom scale.

Long term...

Dunno if I mentioned I'm also Type 1 Diabetic.  I'd like to switch full-time to something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Bernsteins-Diabetes-Solution-Achieving/dp/B0054U581W

Essentially staying 30g/day to achieve extremely tight control. Don't know how realistic it is. I'll likely go 50-70g/day (or whatever's considered moderate LC).

[Cormacaroni]

I hear these miracle Type 2 diabetes cure stories from Paleo/low carb people which I am skeptical about but I think making the condition more manageable is a reasonable/worthwhile goal. Type 1 is a whole different ball of wax, as I found out from many discussions with a friend of mine who wants to go Paleo but is scared to death because of his Type 1. I assume you measure your blood sugar regularly? How does it respond to the carb nites?

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/type-1-diabetes-paleo-primal/

[Cormacaroni]

Also interested in how you respond to gluten. A disproportionate number of Type 1s are celiac and cutting out gluten seems to improve Type 1. If so, your carbs should be as gluten-free as possible (which goes for everybody really, including myself...). Sorry if I forgot the details but I recall you suffering pretty badly on the first carb nite?

[Dickie Dee]

I got tested for Celiac once (at least I got bloodwork done for the antibodies and I think nothing showed up - don't know if that's all there is to it). AFAIK Type 1's are disproportionally Celiac not so much due to a sensitivity to gluten as it relates to carbs (roughly speaking in Diabetes terms other than glycemic index a carb is a carb) but it's an auto-immune disease and people with T1 are much more prone to other autoimmune diseases.

On my carb nite's I mostly break out in sweats and my heart races for a while. Can't quite take anything away from it yet, if the point of carb nite is to throw a wrench into your bodies adjustment to LC - maybe it's just what that feels like.

I've only read the blurbs on Dr. Bernstein's book and his blood sugar targets may be too militant but his general point is spot on. I also agree that the ADA's recommendation of a high-carb/low-fat diet is INSANITY.

[Groogrux]

On my carb nite's I mostly break out in sweats and my heart races for a while. Can't quite take anything away from it yet, if the point of carb nite is to throw a wrench into your bodies adjustment to LC - maybe it's just what that feels like.

This is normal for most.  I usually just feel really warm on that night.  I don't know about the heart racing part, but I've never taken my pulse on carb nite.  I'm usually just sitting in a chair, trying to recover from what I've just done to my body. 

[Eric P]

i just did my first carb nite on Sunday and I actually hard trouble sleeping because my heart was racing a bit and I didn't even go crazy on the carbs.  I couldn't do 300.  I just....couldn't.

i'm generally fairly low carb to there was no transition period for me, just 10 days of feeling normal.

[Cormacaroni]

The sweats are a good sign - inefficient use of calories is what you want. Heart racing doesn't sound great though.

[Dickie Dee]

Oh yeah, I get really hot too. I usually like keeping a fan on me at home, even in winter - on carb nite I crank it to high

[Dickie Dee]

I assume you measure your blood sugar regularly? How does it respond to the carb nites?

They go wild, as somewhat expected. My control hasn't been great the past few years (variety of shitty reasons) so 1 shitty day out of 7 is better than 5-6 shitty days out of 7 as before.

[Eric P]

Heart racing doesn't sound great though.

yeah it was unusual.  i'm not talking "on speed" style here, just a bit more elevated than normal.

also Keifer loves his caffeine.  I don't think I can drink that much as late as he advocate without staying up until 3 am.

[Cormacaroni]

Poof

[Cormacaroni]

Though you only really need coffee prior to food and PWO on CBL I think

[Eric P]

it took me a second to realize you were calling me gay

[MyNameIsMethodis]

congrats everybody

if you can't do 30g I tried tos hoot for 50g a day for the past year and its made me lose alot of lbs.  granted I didn't have a "once a week" carb nite, I would usually have a once a week cheat day and I would still lose weight. so if you can't deal with 30g you can always try the 50g think. I just made sure to cut out all grains period no if ands or buts except for recently coconut flour and those josephs tortillas/pitas I found.

today should be my second carb nite but because im a idiot and didn't plan this out im pushing it to saturday so i can have my carb nites every saturday

[TakingBackSunday]

it took me a second to realize you were calling me gay

this made me chuckle in the office

[TakingBackSunday]

the shits of this thing, my god, the shits

[Groogrux]

I don't know if anybody else follows the DangerouslyHardcore.com posts or have memberships on the forum, but I'm starting to get the feeling that this whole thing is falling apart.

Kiefer has been surprisingly quiet, isn't finishing series (I really wanted to hear what he had to say about creatine), and keeps eluding to bigger and better things, but doesn't deliver.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

that forum reads weird to me theres like forums all over the palce and im not sure which one to read. sucks he went missing tho

[MyNameIsMethodis]

just gunan do my 2nd carb nite tonight. gunna change it up alot with some more "dirtier" carbs and less shit. so no pizza and valentines candy instead fruity pebbles and chinese food

[Cormacaroni]

surprise, you can't have everything at once

[Boogie]

Oh yeah?  Tell that to The Fuckin' Business. 

[Cormacaroni]

if you are ULC, eventually you will burn through stored glycogen, meaning workouts that employ the glycolytic pathway will suffer. Biz is still human as far as we know

[BlueTsunami]

HIIT destroys your stored glycogen. To the point where Kiefer suggests HIIT if you want to cut down the preliminary low carb diet before carb back loading.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

does anyone know if a a glass of red wine is part of "alcohol" on CN or is it like paleo where it's acceptable just as long as you don't go overboard or should I  "plan to not lose any weight this week" like CN book says 

[Cormacaroni]

look at the label on the bottle

do you see the word 'alcohol'

there you go

[MyNameIsMethodis]

ya but I wasn't sure if carbnite included wine cuz im p sure it didnt say in the book and only mentioned liquors oh well

e; dangerouslyhardcore forums said wine is ok based kiefer god

[Cormacaroni]

it's not like anybody's view of your intelligence was diminished in any way by that question, i mean why not just fire away at this point

[MyNameIsMethodis]

i love you carmac if you werent married i'd force you on me

[Groogrux]

New Shockwave Protocol is finally up!  It's in the form of an app on iPods, iPhones, and iPads.  It costs $9.99 because it's partnered with GainFitness, but IT'S FUCKING WORTH IT.  I tried it out yesterday and I loved it.

http://is.gd/p1EKHb

[Squiddy]

I'm doing three days of heavy weight lifting a week, in addition to two days of HIIT.
Low-carb is not a very good idea in my case, is it?

[Cormacaroni]

Are you fat

[Squiddy]

Are you fat

Nah.

[Cormacaroni]

well then

[Squiddy]

That's what I thought then.
Low carbers can be pretty convincing at time, but every bodybuilding site I've seen stresses the importance of carbs as fat alone won't work as fuel for your muscles.

[Mupepe]

HIIT is not fun when doing low carb. 

I started adding coffee with coconut oil to my preworkout/morning fast.  It definitely helps keep the lethargy off.  I've also started working out about 5 hours after I wake up instead of immediately after.

[TakingBackSunday]

do you mean coconut milk?

[Himu]

Yesterday for breakfast:

Perfect bacon four egg omelet with suateed onions, and green peppers with two strips of bacon.



Today for breakfast: fried egg inside avocado:

[Mupepe]

do you mean coconut milk?

Nope.  Coconut oil

[Beezy]

If that banana wasn't for breakfast, then what was it for Himu?

[Himu]

[Squiddy]

do you mean coconut milk?

I see you haven't met the paleo crowd yet.

[TakingBackSunday]

I have, many times.  but I didn't ever even think of putting oil in coffee.  sounds odd but probably tastes just fine.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

coconut oil isn't really oil oil.

just buy some of this stuff and put it in a black cup of coffee, you will never go back

http://www.torani.com/#/products/search/all/sugarfree

[Himu]

I should eat avocadeo for breakfast most often. Ate just one of those and have been full all day. Ate some celery for lunch. The paleo diet continues! PALEO TUNA SALAD FOR DINNER TONIGHT!

Worried the balsamic vinegar and dill recipe I'm thinking won't taste as good as traditional tuna salad without the mayo.

[Mupepe]

coconut oil isn't anything crazy in coffee.  It's already in a lot of pre packaged creamers (Coffee-Mate for example).

[Fifstar]

I should eat avocadeo for breakfast most often. Ate just one of those and have been full all day. Ate some celery for lunch. The paleo diet continues! PALEO TUNA SALAD FOR DINNER TONIGHT!

Worried the balsamic vinegar and dill recipe I'm thinking won't taste as good as traditional tuna salad without the mayo.

I like to make scrambled eggs and mix those just before I put the pan of the stove with avocado, tomatoes and some balsamico. Super delicious and a pretty complete meal, has been my go to breakfast for a while now.

[Groogrux]

I should eat avocadeo for breakfast most often. Ate just one of those and have been full all day. Ate some celery for lunch. The paleo diet continues! PALEO TUNA SALAD FOR DINNER TONIGHT!

Worried the balsamic vinegar and dill recipe I'm thinking won't taste as good as traditional tuna salad without the mayo.

If you want mayo, I'm pretty sure Mark's Daily Apple had a recipe for homemade paleo mayonaise that looked pretty good.

[Fifstar]

WHat kind of recipe is it? I've done self made mayo with olive oil before and while it turned out alright, it had too much own olive flavor and not the typical supportive taste of normal mayo.

[Cormacaroni]

coconut milk is mostly coconut oil anyway. I use that over oil because it's more readily available here.

Mayo is easy to do with olive oil...haven't tried any other varieties. Olive oil tastes pretty strongly and will come out green-colored but it's fine. It's still not something you should be eating regularly if you are upwards of 250lbs though, like nuts or flaxseed pizza or whatever else packs a ton of calories in a compact, tasty form

[Cormacaroni]

Fifstar - Macadamia oil doesn't have the strong taste of olive oil but it is pretty expensive.