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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21840 on: October 18, 2019, 05:30:40 PM »
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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21841 on: October 18, 2019, 06:21:33 PM »
Unfortunate. Was looking forward to seeing him play.

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21843 on: October 19, 2019, 12:34:41 PM »
48 wins, tops

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21844 on: October 19, 2019, 04:22:03 PM »
More extensions!
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Forward Pascal Siakam has agreed to a four-year, $130 million maximum rookie contract extension, agents Todd Ramasar and Jaafar Choufani told ESPN.
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Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder has agreed to a long-term contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Snyder had two years left on his deal, and a new contract extends multiple years beyond that term, sources said.
Could be a bunch more, October 21st is deadline for a whole bunch of players. Jaylen Brown, Buddy Hield, Domantas Sabonis, etc.

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21846 on: October 21, 2019, 02:51:56 PM »
Combined ESPN/538/Vegas/Pelton/BPI projections are out:

Eastern Conference:
1. Milwaukee Bucks (55-27)
2. Philadelphia 76ers (52-30)
3. Boston Celtics (48-34)
4. Toronto Raptors (46-36)
5. Indiana Pacers (45-37)
6. Miami Heat (43-39)
7. Brooklyn Nets (43-39)
8. Orlando Magic (42-40)
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9. Detroit Pistons (38-44)
10. Chicago Bulls (34-48)
11. Atlanta Hawks (33-49)
12. Washington Wizards (30-52)
13. New York Knicks (26-56)
14. Charlotte Hornets (25-57)
15. Cleveland Cavaliers (24-58)

Western Conference:
1. Houston Rockets (54-28)
2. Denver Nuggets (53-29)
3. Los Angeles Clippers (52-30)
4. Utah Jazz (51-31)
5. Los Angeles Lakers (49-33)
6. Golden State Warriors (47-35)
7. Portland Trail Blazers (45-37)
8. Dallas Mavericks (43-39)
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9. San Antonio Spurs (41-41)
10. New Orleans Pelicans (39-43)
11. Minnesota Timberwolves (38-44)
12. Sacramento Kings (38-44)
13. Oklahoma City Thunder (35-47)
14. Phoenix Suns (32-50)
15. Memphis Grizzlies (29-53)

Only real disagreement among them in terms of which team tops their conference is 3-2 Rockets over Nuggets (Bucks went 5-0), Pelton has Sixers, Clippers and Jazz all closer to 47 wins.

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21847 on: October 21, 2019, 03:07:12 PM »
I think Mavs a bit too high but it's not really worth griping. There will be 1 or 2 good teams that don't make the playoffs in the West.

Pretty excited for the season, it's wide open. I have money on GSW but official prediction for finals is Bucks v. Jazz in the lowest-rated finals in history.  :shh

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21848 on: October 21, 2019, 03:08:27 PM »
35 wins for Oklahoma City is just a little bit generous

and honestly so is 25 wins for charlotte

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21849 on: October 21, 2019, 03:09:20 PM »
one day before I start losing money again :rejoice
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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21850 on: October 21, 2019, 03:48:16 PM »
The Mavericks are scoring high in a bunch of the stat-heavy models. I don't have my databases in any shape to mess with, but I expect they're actually pretty noisy. You have one year of Doncic, KP's data is from some time ago, they overhauled the roster at midseason last year and many of those parts (or their FA replacements like Delon Wright and Seth Curry) should be also noisy.

OKC is probably a tad high because nobody wants to predict Paul and Gallinari deals (and maybe also Adams and Schroeder ones) and there's not much to replace them with. Zach Lowe pointed out that a lot of teams might just wait on the Thunder and try to pluck the players in the offseason, unless it's a contender trying to get Paul/Gallinari/Adams as the "one last piece" addition ala Gasol last year.

The Nets and Spurs were both really noisy datasets coming into last season, but everything worked out, and with Carlisle and the whole staff still in place it looks really similar to those two situations.

For what it's worth, Pelton's system put the Mavericks in the playoffs but he said everyone from the Blazers down to Suns (in the combined prediction ranking) were sneaking in enough times in the simulations to suggest it could be whoever gets "hot" enough (going like 10-5 over a span) to end the season.
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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21851 on: October 21, 2019, 04:15:35 PM »
More extensions!
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Forward Pascal Siakam has agreed to a four-year, $130 million maximum rookie contract extension, agents Todd Ramasar and Jaafar Choufani told ESPN.
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Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder has agreed to a long-term contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Snyder had two years left on his deal, and a new contract extends multiple years beyond that term, sources said.
Could be a bunch more, October 21st is deadline for a whole bunch of players. Jaylen Brown, Buddy Hield, Domantas Sabonis, etc.

And another one:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27897038/jaylen-brown-agrees-4-year-115-million-extension-celtics also I think Hield has an offer as well.
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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
« Reply #21852 on: October 21, 2019, 04:18:14 PM »
Yep:
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Sacramento Kings guard Buddy Hield has agreed to a four-year, $94 million contract extension, league sources told ESPN.

The deal includes $86 million in guaranteed money, $8 million in exceedingly reachable bonuses and another $12 million in incentives that could elevate the deal to $106 million over its term, league sources said.

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
« Reply #21855 on: October 22, 2019, 01:31:54 PM »
I like Jaylen Brown but four-years, $115M seems like a lot for him.

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
« Reply #21857 on: October 22, 2019, 10:37:34 PM »
Win or lose Pelicans looked really good tonight. Got a lot from their bench.

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
« Reply #21858 on: October 22, 2019, 11:48:23 PM »
Just choked in OT. I think pretty good foundation at first glance.

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
« Reply #21859 on: October 23, 2019, 12:09:41 AM »
Things the Clips need:

1. Doc Rivers to trust someone as the fourth guard
2. Rim protection
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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
« Reply #21860 on: October 23, 2019, 01:05:57 AM »
oldbron  :yuck
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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
« Reply #21861 on: October 23, 2019, 01:21:19 AM »
Welp one game down. The Clips looked really good. Gave the Lakers a lot of problems. We'll see how they adjust as things go on.

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Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
« Reply #21863 on: October 23, 2019, 02:04:54 AM »
Yeah, KCP is a whole lotta

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Re: The NBA thread
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21867 on: October 24, 2019, 12:29:39 AM »

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21871 on: October 24, 2019, 01:28:41 AM »
This season's already off to a great start :lol
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21872 on: October 24, 2019, 01:55:44 AM »
the 12-man league i signed up for is h2h points plz kill me

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21873 on: October 24, 2019, 05:03:51 AM »
Heat is gonna be good this year.  8)

But now I have to also become a fake Wizards fan  :popular

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21874 on: October 24, 2019, 07:22:01 AM »
Bulls season already over before it began and with no hope to really get better for at least 3 or so years.  :fbm

Saving the money on NBA League Pass :rejoice

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21875 on: October 24, 2019, 08:42:57 AM »
Luka and his hot mom continue to look great. Porzingis looked rusty, but he still put in 23.
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21877 on: October 24, 2019, 10:29:51 PM »
Rockets looked Basura.
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21878 on: October 24, 2019, 11:28:08 PM »
The Warriors have 2.5 NBA caliber players right now.
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21879 on: October 25, 2019, 12:27:52 AM »
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21880 on: October 25, 2019, 12:35:54 AM »
The Clippers are the new Warriors.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21881 on: October 25, 2019, 01:09:04 AM »
Doc Rivers before the game said Terance Mann probably wasn't getting in. Thanks to the blow out, he did!
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« Reply #21883 on: October 26, 2019, 01:05:02 AM »
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21886 on: October 26, 2019, 10:39:31 PM »
He plays such bitch ball. At the end of the game he is literally just hunting for fouls rather than trying to make baskets. I find him impossible to root for.

https://twitter.com/TheRenderNBA/status/1188282126799659009


The Kings fans are already furious at Walton.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21887 on: October 26, 2019, 11:34:07 PM »
There's actually a piece of new commentary in NBA2K20 where Chris Webber mentions that the Warriors don't play a full-on metric game, but what used to be known as "the passing game" on top of having great shooters, it's the Rockets who play the insufferable full-on metric style and he stops himself just before saying Harden is impossible to enjoy. :lol

Getting guys who shoot 85+% to the line a bunch has been old old metric ball going back to Rick Barry. Then Utah designed an entire offense for Adrian Dantley around this and his ability to post-up despite being 6-5, hell a lot of what Chuck did was based around similar stuff. It's why Chauncey Billups was one of the most efficient scorers of his era* despite a FG% of 39-42%, half his shots were FTs at near 90%. (Reggie, Magic and Bird probably don't get enough credit for propping up their scoring this way so often when their shooting was otherwise off.)

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Quote from: old Bill Simmons column, the argument started months earlier with him criticizing Billups as useless on offense
Q: Why won't you understand shooting percentages? 33 percent from beyond the arc is the equivalent of 50 percent from within. If a guy shot 50 percent from the field, would you be killing him for shooting? Of course not. You obviously realize how stupid that would be. Yet that's what you've been doing -- FOR YEARS -- with your mind-boggling argument against 3-point shooting unless the guy can hit 75 percent of his 3s. Just think about it for a couple of seconds. Please ... we are begging you.
-- Nick, New York

SG: Dozens of readers e-mailed me Nick's same stupid argument in a similarly condescending way, which is what makes the following so much fun: I'm not stupid, YOU'RE STUPID. That 33/50 logic only makes sense in a professional basketball league in which they aren't calling fouls and you aren't allowed to pass to a teammate ... which, as far as I can tell, doesn't currently exist.

Let's say that one player attempts 12 3-pointers and makes four (for 12 points). His teammate attempts 12 2-pointers and makes six, but during that time -- because he's not standing 25 feet away jacking up 3s like an idiot -- he also draws three fouls on his defender, creates two assists for teammates, makes three of four free throws, turns the ball over once, and misses one layup that gets tapped in by a teammate (we'll call it 19 points). You're telling me those two scenarios are equal? If I'm playing LeBron (a 31 percent 3-point shooter), ideally, I want him jacking up contested 3s because that means (A) he's not getting to the line, (B) he's not getting my guys in foul trouble, and (C) he's not potentially creating shots for someone else. I can't defend LeBron when he's going to the basket, especially if he's getting calls. But you know what? If he's happy shooting 3s from 25 feet with a hand in his face, then I'm delighted. This is great. I want him to do that. And if he's doing something that the other team WANTS him to do, then he's doing the wrong thing. I'm fine with shooting 24-footers over 20-footers, but getting into the paint will always be more valuable than jacking up 3s. It's just a fact.

(Note to Nick and everyone else who mailed me the 33/50 argument: I'm doing the Dikembe finger wave at you. Don't come into my house.)
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21888 on: October 27, 2019, 12:53:01 AM »
Suns beat Clippers

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clippers defense  :mjcry
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21891 on: October 27, 2019, 05:12:12 PM »
OKC:89
Golden State:56

3rd quarter 4:36

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21892 on: October 27, 2019, 05:21:16 PM »
Based on a SSS the Phoenix Suns are a better team right now than the Warriors.

He plays such bitch ball. At the end of the game he is literally just hunting for fouls rather than trying to make baskets. I find him impossible to root for.

https://twitter.com/TheRenderNBA/status/1188282126799659009


The Kings fans are already furious at Walton.

Free throws are the only thing keeping Harden from being total trash this year.
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21893 on: October 27, 2019, 06:20:52 PM »
The thing about Harden isn't that he does things that no other player does. Any superstar or player worth his salt has his own bag of dirty tricks and moves to play the margins. Normally you kind of respect that stuff because its shows a smart dedication to the craft.

But Harden has COMPLETELY crafted his game around this kind of stuff. And its not like he's 40 or something and needs every cheating edge he can get. I remember when everybody got all outraged about flopping a few years ago. ( I didn't personally.) But flopping is no worse or different than everything Harden does to sell every single one of his drives.

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21894 on: October 27, 2019, 08:54:29 PM »
wow doubt anyone was watching it here but that Grizz nets game was crazy. Ja Morant is gonna be good. I'll find twitter link for final shot in a sec

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1188619660737957888

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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21895 on: October 27, 2019, 11:53:14 PM »
Dare I actually say it. Dwight Howard was key tonight. Against bad teams he's gonna be pretty decent.


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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21898 on: October 30, 2019, 12:33:55 AM »
Just in case you forgot, Anthony Davis is really, really good.
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Re: The NBA thread
« Reply #21899 on: October 30, 2019, 12:34:21 AM »
Anthony Davis is a god damn monster. End of third quarter.


40 pts. 2 blocks. 20 rebounds. 26-27 at the free throw line.