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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #10560 on: September 24, 2010, 02:03:11 AM »
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #10561 on: September 24, 2010, 11:19:21 AM »
except Armageddon :lol

hessian anchor babies :rofl

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« Reply #10562 on: September 24, 2010, 11:37:55 AM »
- A repeal of the health-care law signed by President Obama this year.  Repeal doesn't go far enough, they should move to nullify it at the State level.

-- Keeping in place for all Americans, including the wealthy, tax cuts passed under President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003. President Obama has proposed getting rid of tax cuts for household income above $250,000.  Fine, now cut spending.

-- A ban on any federal funding for abortions.  Agreed.

-- A hiring freeze on all federal agencies except those charged with keeping Americans safe. (Agencies could hire employees only to replace people who leave.) Check.

-- A requirement that Congress post all bills online three days before a vote and that lawmakers cite the specific constitutional authority that enables the legislation.
  This is the best part and the way it should be, they have no authority to pass any law not authorized in the constitution. How about also requiring them to read the bill.  How about a test before a bill is passed to ensure they've read it?  We can do multiple choice, it'll be fun like school and we can air it on CSPAN.

-- A stop on all unspent money authorized as part of last year's stimulus bill or the 2008 legislation that aided failing Wall Street firms.  Check.

-- A tax deduction for small businesses on up to 20 percent of their business income. Check.

Now a few things they could have added...

Audit the Fed.
End the department of education.
Shut down the military bases in Europe/Asia.
End all foreign aid.  (Yes this includes Israel)
Leave Iraq.
Stop nation building in Afghanistan.  (Build a school, they blow it up)
Reel in the executive branch, it's been too powerful for decades.
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« Reply #10563 on: September 24, 2010, 01:01:58 PM »
http://crfb.org/stabilizethedebt/

Fix the debt issue yourselves!

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« Reply #10564 on: September 24, 2010, 01:21:42 PM »

-- A spending freeze for most domestic programs, exempting some programs for seniors, such as Social Security, and others that affect veterans and the military.

:teehee
I'm pretty sure I covered military spending.  Also the DOE.  I could have made a longer list, but why bother really?
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« Reply #10565 on: September 24, 2010, 01:24:04 PM »
- A repeal of the health-care law signed by President Obama this year.  Repeal doesn't go far enough, they should move to nullify it at the State level.

-- Keeping in place for all Americans, including the wealthy, tax cuts passed under President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003. President Obama has proposed getting rid of tax cuts for household income above $250,000.  Fine, now cut spending.

-- A ban on any federal funding for abortions.  Agreed.

-- A hiring freeze on all federal agencies except those charged with keeping Americans safe. (Agencies could hire employees only to replace people who leave.) Check.

-- A requirement that Congress post all bills online three days before a vote and that lawmakers cite the specific constitutional authority that enables the legislation.
  This is the best part and the way it should be, they have no authority to pass any law not authorized in the constitution. How about also requiring them to read the bill.  How about a test before a bill is passed to ensure they've read it?  We can do multiple choice, it'll be fun like school and we can air it on CSPAN.

-- A stop on all unspent money authorized as part of last year's stimulus bill or the 2008 legislation that aided failing Wall Street firms.  Check.

-- A tax deduction for small businesses on up to 20 percent of their business income. Check.

Now a few things they could have added...

Audit the Fed.
End the department of education.
Shut down the military bases in Europe/Asia.
End all foreign aid.  (Yes this includes Israel)
Leave Iraq.
Stop nation building in Afghanistan.  (Build a school, they blow it up)
Reel in the executive branch, it's been too powerful for decades.

hey look a white person
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #10566 on: September 24, 2010, 01:40:22 PM »

hey look a white person

Hey look a materialistic, consumptive, illusionary-intellect!   :smug
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #10567 on: September 24, 2010, 02:38:23 PM »
i am also white, yes
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« Reply #10568 on: September 24, 2010, 02:44:50 PM »
Can someone explain what "audit the fed" means?

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« Reply #10569 on: September 24, 2010, 02:55:42 PM »
it means "ron paul makes sure the few remaining government functions keep the browns in their economic place, because privatizing education can only do so much"
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« Reply #10570 on: September 24, 2010, 03:33:45 PM »
it means "ron paul makes sure the few remaining government functions keep the browns in their economic place, because privatizing education can only do so much"

SomeDude on neogaf is that you?  HR1207 ring a bell?  It had bipartisan support - 23 Democrats including the ever emotional Grayson. 

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« Reply #10571 on: September 24, 2010, 03:45:09 PM »
HR1207 ring a bell?  It had bipartisan support - 23 Democrats including the ever emotional Grayson. 

Oh good, that answers my question.  It's all much clearer now.

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« Reply #10572 on: September 24, 2010, 03:46:22 PM »
it means "ron paul makes sure the few remaining government functions keep the browns in their economic place, because privatizing education can only do so much"

SomeDude on neogaf is that you?  HR1207 ring a bell?  It had bipartisan support - 23 Democrats including the ever emotional Grayson. 



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« Reply #10573 on: September 24, 2010, 03:51:34 PM »
It had bipartisan support

Just like the Iraq War!  Fantastic!


But seriously, can someone explain to me what "audit the fed" means?

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« Reply #10574 on: September 24, 2010, 03:53:35 PM »
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here is your answer

RON PAUL

RON PAUL

RON PAUL
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« Reply #10575 on: September 24, 2010, 03:55:33 PM »


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« Reply #10576 on: September 24, 2010, 03:57:16 PM »
we as libtards are somehow supposed to be on the side of these "democrats," as if they weren't a loose -- very loose, like meghan mccain -- coalition of dingbats from across the political spectrum whose ideological coherence is roughly equivalent to the epicurean experience of a golden corral buffet

ah, politics-as-a-sporting-event

and the paultards squawk because they didn't get to pick the referee

i just want mandatory abortions for all pregnant teenagers, is that so wrong
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« Reply #10577 on: September 24, 2010, 03:58:23 PM »
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End the department of education.

Dude, seriously?

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« Reply #10578 on: September 24, 2010, 03:59:19 PM »
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End the department of education.

Dude, seriously?

let the free market educate our children!

each child can work in the evenings to pay for their own K-12 schooling
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« Reply #10579 on: September 24, 2010, 04:00:09 PM »
government is universally bad, and business is universally meritocratic even if it seems cruel to soft-hearted libthings

therefore, the free market selects and validates those with the greatest potential

you know, white people, especially rich ones
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« Reply #10580 on: September 24, 2010, 04:01:05 PM »
i just want mandatory abortions for all pregnant teenagers, is that so wrong

depends

are we talking medically safe procedures profesionally performed by trained medical personnel in a supportive environment

or FALCON PUNCH
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« Reply #10581 on: September 24, 2010, 04:03:11 PM »
which will cause more government bureaucracy and give ron paul a heart attack? that's the one i want.

falcon punching is too populist and too efficient
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« Reply #10582 on: September 24, 2010, 04:04:14 PM »
while we're talking about hilarious abortions

a "Planned Parenthood Express" just opened up here in Orange County

everytime I see the sign I read "Drive-Thru Falcon Punch"
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« Reply #10583 on: September 24, 2010, 04:06:03 PM »
that is awesome

drive up in your mazda 3, lift the hatchback, spread your legs aaaaaaand back on the 405 in 10 minutes or your fetus back
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« Reply #10584 on: September 24, 2010, 08:33:32 PM »
Audit the Fed.
End the department of education.
Shut down the military bases in Europe/Asia.
End all foreign aid.  (Yes this includes Israel)
Leave Iraq.
Stop nation building in Afghanistan.  (Build a school, they blow it up)
Reel in the executive branch, it's been too powerful for decades.

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« Reply #10585 on: September 24, 2010, 09:08:37 PM »
I'm in favor of auditing the federal reserve system only because such a system needs transparency, not potential butt buddy deals and backroom handjobs that may or may not fuck over the populace at their will (nor be obligated to show anyone how it works, who is doing what, etc.).  Not that Obama would object to that (fucking over the populace, not transparency, something he has shown not to give a rat's ass about).

A shame that Libertarians still believe that free market uber alles, considering how prominent Randtard Greenspan denounced such an ideology.  I even heard Libertardians say that the reason the recession happened was because the market was not free enough.  I don't get these people and don't care to get them.  Most of them have the freedom to talk from their asses because of the tremendous contributions from things like labor and government which provide a relatively decent transportation system, a middle class (one that is shrinking but still...), etc.

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you know, white people, especially rich ones

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a "Planned Parenthood Express" just opened up here in Orange County

Sweet.  As a pro-abortionist, any system in place to make abortions as easy and cheap as possible gets my thumbs up.  It's only a shame there isn't some assembly line styled abortion factory.
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« Reply #10586 on: September 25, 2010, 09:26:52 AM »
Definitely not.

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« Reply #10587 on: September 25, 2010, 11:41:47 AM »
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End the department of education.

Dude, seriously?

Why not?  There is no support for it within the text of the Constitution. 

Conversely, there is support for running school systems within the text of the constitutions of the various states. 

By the rule of law, the Department of Education should not exist.  The United States should not have an education system.

More accurately: The United States federal government has little to no role to play in the education systems of the constituent states, should the people of those states invest that power with their respective states (and they have, as evidenced by the constitutions of those states).  If the various state constitutions did not grant the individual states authority to run an education system in some capacity, the various states also would not have the authority to do so.

If and only if a Constitutional Amendment were passed to authorize such a thing would the federal government have a legitimate basis for involvement under the rule of law.

How can this even be a controversial statement?  There is no rational counter-argument.

So we should keep the people dumb so they don't have to be paid shit?

Conservatives shall now be labeled regressionists!
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« Reply #10588 on: September 25, 2010, 12:37:10 PM »
[youtube=560,345]KB0TLgcNesU[/youtube]

You know you done goofed when even Andrew Breitbart can't defend you immediately
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« Reply #10589 on: September 25, 2010, 03:19:04 PM »
http://crfb.org/stabilizethedebt/

Fix the debt issue yourselves!
There was no option to pump more money into federally funded abortions :'(
:lol :lol

Honestly though, I made cuts and tax increases in there that beat the current target goals and I could live with it, goddammit.  a lot of these programs are super expensive and benefit only a few.  and there are much better deals on the table.  too bad they're "socialist"

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« Reply #10590 on: September 25, 2010, 03:25:04 PM »
[youtube=560,345]KB0TLgcNesU[/youtube]

You know you done goofed when even Andrew Breitbart can't defend you immediately
SMH

I had a dude ask the other day when I brought up the masturbation point "Are you afraid she's going to pass anti-masturbation laws or something??" NO DIPSHIT!  But I'd like someone who has a position of power to be a little intelligent.  she's distinguished mentally-challenged.

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« Reply #10592 on: September 25, 2010, 04:44:33 PM »
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Fox News is watching out for America.  :american

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« Reply #10593 on: September 25, 2010, 05:45:34 PM »
JD talking about the Constitution is like an adolescent girl mooning over a dark, brooding (possibly vampiric) romance protagonist.

"He's so misunderstood.  I'm the only one who gets what he really means.  Sigh..."

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« Reply #10594 on: September 25, 2010, 08:48:17 PM »
[youtube=560,345]bWdyf9eSkqQ[/youtube]
holy shit
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« Reply #10595 on: September 25, 2010, 09:34:15 PM »
So we should keep the people dumb so they don't have to be paid shit?

There's nothing in what I said for you to draw that inference.
There should be an American standard of education. Taking that away only accelerates our demise.
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« Reply #10596 on: September 26, 2010, 01:04:59 AM »
Nah, fuck it.  Then all of the poor states that get more money back from the federal govt. than they pay in can start having better distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, and NY and California can have awesome schools.  Everyone who has the money and is able will move to the swank 1st world states, and the middle of the country will continue to have sloping brows and low iqs.  Sounds awesome.
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« Reply #10597 on: September 26, 2010, 02:02:25 PM »
Nah, fuck it.  Then all of the poor states that get more money back from the federal govt. than they pay in can start having better distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, and NY and California can have awesome schools.  Everyone who has the money and is able will move to the swank 1st world states, and the middle of the country will continue to have sloping brows and low iqs.  Sounds awesome.
Agreed.  Also, cut off all federal funding to Alaska.

Might as well cut defense while you're at it. Alaska is the first line of defense against Russia  :ussrcry
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« Reply #10598 on: September 26, 2010, 03:17:17 PM »
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« Reply #10599 on: September 26, 2010, 04:38:02 PM »
This is an honest question, JD.  I oftentimes see this line of reasoning from the libertarian set on most matters, and the general republican set on matters they disagree with.  So, if they believe there is a legitimate claim that all these things are unconstitutional, why don't we more attacks mounted in the courts against them, since that is the ultimate arbiter for these matters?

Answer JD's gonna give:
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The judiciary has adopted activism and the "living Constitution" as a way of stripping all meaning from the document and ruling however they want.  So it's pointless to appeal to judges who have already endorsed a false constitutional interpretation.
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There's no political will for it.  Sometimes (like now) mainstream conservatives pay lip service to an extremely narrow interpretation of the Constitution, but look at the decisions they make when in power.  Ron Paul's the only one even close to acting like he believes that shit.

American movement conservatism is willing to pick constitutional fights where it thinks it could get a favorable result (affirmative action) but no way are they following that principle to political annihilation (dissolving Social Security and Medicare).
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« Reply #10600 on: September 26, 2010, 06:30:23 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-rich-people-who-_b_737429.html

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New Rule: The next rich person who publicly complains about being vilified by the Obama administration must be publicly vilified by the Obama administration. It's so hard for one person to tell another person what constitutes being "rich", or what tax rate is "too much." But I've done some math that indicates that, considering the hole this country is in, if you are earning more than a million dollars a year and are complaining about a 3.6% tax increase, then you are by definition a greedy asshole.

And let's be clear: that's 3.6% only on income above 250 grand -- your first 250, that's still on the house. Now, this week we got some horrible news: that one in seven Americans are now living below the poverty line. But I want to point you to an American who is truly suffering: Ben Stein. You know Ben Stein, the guy who got rich because when he talks it sounds so boring it's actually funny. He had a game show on Comedy Central, does eye drop commercials, doesn't believe in evolution? Yeah, that asshole. I kid Ben -- so, the other day Ben wrote an article about his struggle. His struggle as a wealthy person facing the prospect of a slightly higher marginal tax rate. Specifically, Ben said that when he was finished paying taxes and his agents, he was left with only 35 cents for every dollar he earned. Which is shocking, Ben Stein has an agent? I didn't know Broadway Danny Rose was still working.

Ben whines in his article about how he's worked for every dollar he has -- if by work you mean saying the word "Bueller" in a movie 25 years ago. Which doesn't bother me in the slightest, it's just that at a time when people in America are desperate and you're raking in the bucks promoting some sleazy Free Credit Score dot-com... maybe you shouldn't be asking us for sympathy. Instead, you should be down on your knees thanking God and/or Ronald Reagan that you were lucky enough to be born in a country where a useless schmuck who contributes absolutely nothing to society can somehow manage to find himself in the top marginal tax bracket.

And you're welcome to come on the show anytime.

Now I can hear you out there saying, "Come on Bill, don't be so hard on Ben Stein, he does a lot of voiceover work, and that's hard work." Ok, it's true, Ben is hardly the only rich person these days crying like a baby who's fallen off his bouncy seat. Last week Mayor Bloomberg of New York complained that all his wealthy friends are very upset with mean ol' President Poopy-Pants: He said they all say the same thing: "I knew I was going to have to pay more taxes. But I didn't expect to be vilified." Poor billionaires -- they just can't catch a break.

First off, far from being vilified, we bailed you out -- you mean we were supposed to give you all that money and kiss your ass, too? That's Hollywood you're thinking of. FDR, he knew how to vilify; this guy, not so much. And second, you should have been vilified -- because you're the vill-ains! I'm sure a lot of you are very nice people. And I'm sure a lot of you are jerks. In other words, you're people. But you are the villains. Who do you think outsourced all the jobs, destroyed the unions, and replaced workers with desperate immigrants and teenagers in China. Joe the Plumber?

And right now, while we run trillion dollar deficits, Republicans are holding America hostage to the cause of preserving the Bush tax cuts that benefit the wealthiest 1% of people, many of them dead. They say that we need to keep taxes on the rich low because they're the job creators. They're not. They're much more likely to save money through mergers and outsourcing and cheap immigrant labor, and pass the unemployment along to you.

Americans think rich people must be brilliant; no -- just ruthless. Meg Whitman is running for Governor out here, and her claim to fame is, she started e-Bay. Yes, Meg tapped into the Zeitgeist, the zeitgeist being the desperate need of millions of Americans to scrape a few dollars together by selling the useless crap in their garage. What is e-Bay but a big cyber lawn sale that you can visit without putting your clothes on?

Another of my favorites, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann said, "I don't know where they're going to get all this money, because we're running out of rich people in this country." Actually, we have more billionaires here in the U.S. than all the other countries in the top ten combined, and their wealth grew 27% in the last year. Did yours? Truth is, there are only two things that the United States is not running out of: Rich people and bullshit. Here's the truth: When you raise taxes slightly on the wealthy, it obviously doesn't destroy the economy -- we know this, because we just did it -- remember the '90's? It wasn't that long ago. You were probably listening to grunge music, or dabbling in witchcraft. Clinton moved the top marginal rate from 36 to 39% -- and far from tanking, the economy did so well he had time to get his dick washed.

Even 39% isn't high by historical standards. Under Eisenhower, the top tax rate was 91%. Under Nixon, it was 70%. Obama just wants to kick it back to 39 -- just three more points for the very rich. Not back to 91, or 70. Three points. And they go insane. Steve Forbes said that Obama, quote "believes from his inner core that people... above a certain income have more than they should have and that many probably have gotten it from ill-gotten ways." Which they have. Steve Forbes, of course, came by his fortune honestly: he inherited it from his gay egg-collecting, Elizabeth Taylor cigarillo-hagging father, who inherited it from his father. Of course then they moan about the inheritance tax, how the government took 55% percent when Daddy died -- which means you still got 45% for doing nothing more than starting out life as your father's pecker-snot.

We don't hate rich people, but have a little humility about how you got it and stop complaining. Maybe the worst whiner of all: Stephen Schwarzman, #69 on Forbes' list of richest Americans, compared Obama's tax hike to "when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939." Wow. If Obama were Hitler, Mr. Schwarzman, I think your tax rate would be the least of your worries.

Bill Maher did one of his worst performances on his show, as far as dealing with ihs panel went, but his new rules segment was awesome.

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« Reply #10601 on: September 26, 2010, 06:43:58 PM »
I swear there needs to be a revolution.
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« Reply #10603 on: September 26, 2010, 11:36:22 PM »
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« Reply #10604 on: September 27, 2010, 11:25:58 AM »
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« Reply #10606 on: September 27, 2010, 05:05:04 PM »
Remember, all of these Tea Party enthusiasts are just concerned about excessive spending, deficits, and big gubmint.  Keep telling yourselves that, distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.
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« Reply #10607 on: September 27, 2010, 05:19:54 PM »
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/cartoons/092410_Tea_Party/


Awesome.

In return, I bring Facebook comments with the word "mosk" (scroll down or search on page for "pictures").  A bit old, but a great link if you haven't started hating humanity yet today.

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« Reply #10608 on: September 27, 2010, 06:27:31 PM »
If you look hard enough you'll find drew
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« Reply #10609 on: September 27, 2010, 06:30:00 PM »
Report: US would make Internet wiretaps easier

WASHINGTON

Broad new regulations being drafted by the Obama administration would make it easier for law enforcement and national security officials to eavesdrop on Internet and e-mail communications like social networking Web sites and BlackBerries, The New York Times reported Monday.

The newspaper said the White House plans to submit a bill next year that would require all online services that enable communications to be technically equipped to comply with a wiretap order. That would include providers of encrypted e-mail, such as BlackBerry, networking sites like Facebook and direct communication services like Skype.

Federal law enforcement and national security officials say new the regulations are needed because terrorists and criminals are increasingly giving up their phones to communicate online.

"We're talking about lawfully authorized intercepts," said FBI lawyer Valerie E. Caproni. "We're not talking about expanding authority. We're talking about preserving our ability to execute our existing authority in order to protect the public safety and national security."

The White House plans to submit the proposed legislation to Congress next year.

The new regulations would raise new questions about protecting people's privacy while balancing national security concerns.

James Dempsey, the vice president of the Center for Democracy and Technology, an Internet policy group, said the new regulations would have "huge implications."

"They basically want to turn back the clock and make Internet services function the way that the telephone system used to function," he told the Times.

The Times said the Obama proposal would likely include several requires:

--Any service that provides encrypted messages must be capable of unscrambling them.

--Any foreign communications providers that do business in the U.S. would have to have an office in the United States that's capable of providing intercepts.

--Softward developers of peer-to-peer communications services would be required to redesign their products to allow interception.

The Times said that some privacy and technology advocates say the regulations would create weaknesses in the technology that hackers could more easily exploit.


  Civil liberties take another hit.   :(

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Van Cruncheon

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« Reply #10610 on: September 27, 2010, 07:10:58 PM »
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #10611 on: September 27, 2010, 07:16:32 PM »
tea partiers and liberals hang their heads and collectively grumble "and he claims to be a constitutional scholar"

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« Reply #10612 on: September 27, 2010, 07:32:03 PM »
Let's see the repubs vote en mass to kill this bill.
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« Reply #10613 on: September 27, 2010, 07:48:08 PM »
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #10614 on: September 27, 2010, 08:25:40 PM »
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« Reply #10615 on: September 27, 2010, 08:37:28 PM »
Okay, I'll play to my professional stereotype and ask:

what's so wrong with that legislation?  It seems to me that all it is doing (as the FBI lawyer argues in the article) is requiring online companies to be able to comply with existing law enforcement powers regarding interception of communications.  The legal safeguards of requiring law enforcement to get a judicial authorization after proving reasonable and probable grounds and investigative necessity are still in place.  Civil liberties are taking no more of a hit than they were in providing law enforcement with a mechanism to intercept private communications in the first place.

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« Reply #10616 on: September 27, 2010, 10:00:37 PM »
the fact that nobody's actually gonna go through the official channels and instead use this as an awesome wowsome way to go on a drunk bender and look at your cock pics

and then we'll slap them on the wrist and say we've weeded out the bad apples, but oh we haven't
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« Reply #10617 on: September 27, 2010, 10:00:59 PM »
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gotta love his smug laugh at the notion that poor people with multiple jobs work harder than rich people
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« Reply #10618 on: September 28, 2010, 12:33:08 AM »
One of the clients at work earned 1.5 million dollars last year and paid 10% tax, including California's 1% tax on millionaires.

Wish I could be British and lie on TV and make mad money. I'd be elbow deep in pussy.

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« Reply #10619 on: September 28, 2010, 05:50:06 AM »
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