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HyperZoneWasAwesome · « **Reply #14460 on:** October 15, 2011, 01:49:34 PM »

if a person's brow pops up when surprised, what was Ron Paul feeling when his fell off?

Mandark · « **Reply #14461 on:** October 15, 2011, 02:16:02 PM »

Quote from: Billy Rygar on October 15, 2011, 01:16:03 PM

Why don't people protesting Wall Street bailouts OFFER A LONG TERM SOLUTION TO CUT THE DEBT.

Also I'm talking about the latest, latest Brooks piece. In which he compares the World Trade center construction to...something.

Well, I guess I have to go read that now.

...

Okay, so the column is about how people need to stop assigning larger meaning to mundane, practical matters. An idea Brooks supports by deriving a grand, universal lesson from a single construction project.

Herp de goddam derp.

Mandark · « **Reply #14462 on:** October 15, 2011, 08:14:25 PM »

I just wanna say that I was never alerted to rightwing chain emails by people who believe them until I got on Facebook.

Social network. $:-\$

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #14463 on:** October 15, 2011, 08:33:56 PM »

I find myself getting inadvertently "unfriended" from those people due to my failure to keep my big fat honky mouth shut.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14464 on:** October 15, 2011, 08:40:40 PM »

I rarely talk politics on facebook, too many conservative...acquaintances. Although when I do post something, it's often not particularly positive on Obama.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #14465 on:** October 15, 2011, 08:46:35 PM »

My opinion on that sort of thing is that if someone says/believes something that is obviously FACTUALLY WRONG, it does no one any good to let them go on believing it. So I tend to at first try to politely link them to something that disproves what they're talking about, which gets me labeled a commie or some shit by their gaggle of idiot friends, and eventually unfriended when I won't back down or shut up and inevitably start throwing insults back. It's all rather predictable, really.

Mandark · « **Reply #14466 on:** October 15, 2011, 10:20:23 PM »

Almost all the time, if someone's repeating crazy stuff I don't bother arguing, regardless of the social situation. If it's a friend who's sorta apathetic and uninformed and is freaked out by something they got emailed, sure, explain to them that it's overblown and they don't need to worry. But almost all the time the people repeating this stuff get a steady stream of it and it's a big part of their identity. You can't expect a productive reaction in those cases.

Also, I kind of lied when I said Facebook was my first exposure to this. Not necessarily rightwing emails, but you work with seniors, and it's like everything they know about the world they got through a game of telephone. Heard one old man explaining to another that the point of the 999 plan was to make sure rich people had to pay their share by including a sales tax.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14467 on:** October 15, 2011, 10:22:43 PM »

I only step in when I see sheer madness. Like a couple years ago when birthism was at its peak, and the various "the IRS will break down yer door and fine you if you don't buy insurance" stuff last year.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #14468 on:** October 16, 2011, 10:26:43 AM »

trying to have productive, intellegent debates is usually pointless, but how can you not enjoy poking the crazies' hornet nest sometimes? i dont want to get on facebook every day and let loony religious shit and casual racism sit on there without ripping in to whoever said it at least a little bit. its fun to make them feel uncomfortable instead of having it the other way around all the time.

plus seeing people's reactions when you post shit like "be sure to celebrate National Thank Your Abortion Doctor Day!" is priceless

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #14469 on:** October 16, 2011, 11:35:28 AM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on October 16, 2011, 10:26:43 AM

trying to have productive, intellegent debates is usually pointless, but how can you not enjoy poking the crazies' hornet nest sometimes? i dont want to get on facebook every day and let loony religious shit and casual racism sit on there without ripping in to whoever said it at least a little bit. its fun to make them feel uncomfortable instead of having it the other way around all the time.

plus seeing people's reactions when you post shit like "be sure to celebrate National Thank Your Abortion Doctor Day!" is priceless

oh lawd

Anyway, I don't debate on Facebook. The more you argue with someone over Facebook, the dumber you look, even if it is over some copypasta of a chain e-mail with numerous fallacies.

I work with a lot of right wing teabaggers and I usually just tell them that I don't want to hear their dumbfuckery because I prefer not to talk politics while working. They usually respect that and leave me alone about those kinds of things. Besides, I doubt I can convert some 50 year old upper middle class middle manager woman into thinking that Michele Bachmann isn't the future ("It's time we had a woman in office!" verbatim quote) nor do I feel obligated to do so. Haranguing people you know and work with leads to resentment and I'm not going to sacrifice working relationships because they have different political views.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14470 on:** October 16, 2011, 12:37:04 PM »

What about arguing on other people's walls? I got banned from someone's wall for arguing on it over health care. I was very cordial and mainly posted link. Probably not a good idea

Positive Touch · « **Reply #14471 on:** October 16, 2011, 01:09:40 PM »

Quote from: The Experiment on October 16, 2011, 11:35:28 AM

oh lawd

ITS A WEBFORUM I DONT NEED TO USE SPELLCHECK JESUS

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #14472 on:** October 16, 2011, 02:14:39 PM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/long-ties-to-koch-brothers-key-to-cains-campaign/2011/10/16/gIQAKTLPoL_story.html

Boogie · « **Reply #14473 on:** October 16, 2011, 04:47:50 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2011, 12:37:04 PM

What about arguing on other people's walls? I got banned from someone's wall for arguing on it over health care. I was very cordial and mainly posted link. Probably not a good idea

I'll argue on facebook and other people's walls, i don't give a fuck

archie4208 · « **Reply #14474 on:** October 17, 2011, 01:07:03 PM »

http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2011/10/17/herman-cain-sings-an-ode-to-pizza.html

I'm glad our next president can sing.

fomalhaut · « **Reply #14475 on:** October 17, 2011, 01:36:52 PM »

I've always wondered to those of us relatively 'versed' in Politick and keep noting the OWS movements lack of cogent and concise leadership, etc etc. Do YOU think you would be capable of heading such a project? As in acting as the symbolic and intellectual head of the movement? or at least a sub-chapter? To give legitimacy to the movement in the eyes of those who are imo unfairly critical because of the perceived 'stupidity' of many of those participating? I've heard that a lot and it bothers me, idk.

I've been wondering that myself lately, and it's gotten me into this reading frenzy because my knowledge base is so limited when considering the vast reformation project the nation needs to go through in almost every facet of itself.

It goes beyond simply the rigged financial system and clear cases of collusion and corruption, but an increasingly indistinguishable border between the whims of the government and that of the financial institutions and corporations.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #14476 on:** October 17, 2011, 04:29:58 PM »

no, because i'd turn it into my personal sex cult.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #14477 on:** October 17, 2011, 04:34:51 PM »

Cruncheon's in collusion with Big Sex.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #14478 on:** October 17, 2011, 04:42:39 PM »

occupy orifices

Brehvolution · « **Reply #14479 on:** October 17, 2011, 05:14:52 PM »

That's something I could get behind.

Oblivion · « **Reply #14480 on:** October 17, 2011, 05:35:15 PM »

I saw Herman Cain's interview with David Gregory, and gotta give Greggers credit for pushing back a bit on his idiotic 9-9-9 plan. He got him to admit that certain people's taxes will go up under his plan. Sadly, the rest of the interview was pretty much 'so like what's ur fav color Mr. reverse Obama?'.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14481 on:** October 17, 2011, 05:45:23 PM »

I heard Cain admitted some people's taxes will go up. How can he possibly admit that while arguing his plan lowers taxes for the middle class? A NATIONAL SALES TAX raises most people's taxes.

jeez if all it takes for conservatives to accept a tax hike is for a charismatic black guy to pimp it, how come they don't like Obama?

Oblivion · « **Reply #14482 on:** October 17, 2011, 05:49:18 PM »

Yeah, he did admit that. One of the most amusing parts was when Gregory asked him how taxes would be lowered when his sales tax would be added on to whatever other taxes that a state imposes. Cain's answer was pretty much saying that taxes would go down be state taxes don't count or some shit.

HyperZoneWasAwesome · « **Reply #14483 on:** October 18, 2011, 02:12:19 AM »

also, don't state and smaller governments pretty much depend on sales tax more so then any larger entity. If 9% got slapped onto my existing sales tax it would be well over 15% on every damn thing I buy.

which is of course the simplest argument against a national sales tax, but that assumes that anybody is really taking this doofus seriously. Which I still doubt.

Oblivion · « **Reply #14484 on:** October 18, 2011, 02:19:23 AM »

So Bill O' did one of my favorite right wing slip of the hands. He had some black professor or something on, and was asking if the OWS protestors are racists cause there aren't many black people out protesting, and thus, OWS are just as, if not MORE racist than the tea baggers. Later on in the debate, O'reilly says that Republicans can't be racist cause Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14485 on:** October 18, 2011, 02:44:36 AM »

Meh, just the right regurgitating the same talking points the left hurled at the Tea Party initially

"all white people, must be racist!"
"they have no plans, they're just angry!"

I've seen some black and Hispanic people in OWS pictures though. At the end of the day OWS won't have nearly the impact the Tea Party had/has. Populist movement that benefits corporations>populist movement that doesn't benefit corporations

Oblivion · « **Reply #14486 on:** October 18, 2011, 04:16:15 AM »

Tea bagger Nation founder Justin Phillips: OWS have the support of both the communists AND the Nazis!

Quote

ot only the Communist Party but also the American Nazi Party has endorsed OWS as well.

The media has been falling all over itself to spin OWS as the newest liberal movement, just like the Tea Party. They have done their best to hide videos that show what the Occupy movement really believes.

Both Communists and Nazi’s are socialists. They hate freedom and liberty and both want to see freedom and liberty replaced with tyranny.

OWS claims to be a leaderless movement, yet no one involved with the movement is willing to denounce the Nazis or the Communists. Contrast that to the Tea Party movement, which went overboard to make sure no one involved with the Tea Party movement was a racist or a Nazi.

OWS seems to have no problem with Nazis or the Communists. OWS supports forms of totalitarianism that directly killed about 250 million people in the last century and enslaved billions in poverty and tyranny.

The OWS movement, contrary to the media myth that is being spun, is not just a spontaneous uprising, but rather a well-planned event. It is not simply a group of dissatisfied Americans seeking redress of their grievances. It is a well thought out plan by far left wing groups.

…

The far left knows as well as well as we do that 2012 will be the ultimate battle between freedom and tyranny. Either real Americans win the battle of 2012 and we will save liberty for our nation or they will win and America will slide into socialism.

Good and evil cannot coexist. One must prevail and the other must fail. Freedom and socialism cannot co-exist. Either we totally defeat the far left in 2012 or we lose.

Losing is not an option.

Himu · « **Reply #14487 on:** October 18, 2011, 06:54:48 AM »

We definitely need to keep America safe from the nazis in case Hitler ever makes a comeback like that Napu...Nape...Neopolitan guy did.

Occupy Wall Street is the enemy and we cannot afford to fail.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #14488 on:** October 18, 2011, 08:34:41 AM »

I love listening to people who say how other people hate freedom while advocating abortion bans and being anti gay marriage.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #14489 on:** October 18, 2011, 09:17:28 AM »

Political debates on facebook are a good way of weeding out idiots in your extended circle.

tiesto · « **Reply #14490 on:** October 18, 2011, 11:15:14 AM »

Dr. Paul is at it again:

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=23349

Pretty typical of Paul - some stuff I agree wholeheartedly on (pulling out of the middle east, slash congressional pay/perks, ends personal savings taxes), and some stuff that is so pie-in-the-sky crazy (abolishing Departments of Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and

Education

... along with allowing young people to opt out of SS).

Barry Egan · « **Reply #14491 on:** October 18, 2011, 12:07:45 PM »

David Brooks' delicious op-ed on why he holds the OWS movement in contempt. If only the pained masses would keep their filthy maws shut and suffer in silence than the authentic historical process can take place. The one in which nearly everyone learns to enjoy the turkey baster being squirted in their fuzzybear.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #14492 on:** October 18, 2011, 12:46:02 PM »

Way to go, Tiesto, you basically flashed the JD signal.

Chipopo, I'm not allowed to read Brooks anymore. Doctor says it's bad for my blood pressure.

Mandark · « **Reply #14493 on:** October 18, 2011, 12:51:00 PM »

I like to think that big geysers of steam actually erupt from Triumph's ears, cartoon-style, and his physician has warned him about the potential for long-term hearing loss.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #14494 on:** October 18, 2011, 12:52:50 PM »

Which sounds more Communists?

A) Protesting corporate greed/influence in government

B) Defending the uncompetitive, inflexible plutocracy?

Mandark · « **Reply #14495 on:** October 18, 2011, 01:11:01 PM »

Shorter David Brooks: "According to ~~Paul Krugman~~ ome economists, deficit spending is needed to support aggregate demand, but I think people should spend less and save more, and the polls show people agree with me. I win! Neener neener neener."

Crowdsourcing oughta be a fireable offense.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #14496 on:** October 18, 2011, 01:33:52 PM »

Because labeling something that doesn't suit your agenda preserves the status quo.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14497 on:** October 18, 2011, 01:35:04 PM »

Quote from: Spencer on October 18, 2011, 01:29:40 PM

I'm sure this will get me a reprimand from Mandark, but so fucking what if a plan or idea sounds socialist or communist. Doesn't it stand to logic that pulling some ideas from different political ideologies would be a healthy thing for the system? I guess I just don't get how politicians get away with shooting things down just because "sounds like socialism to me!!"

There's a difference between constructive discussion of political idealogy and callin' people Nazis

Barry Egan · « **Reply #14498 on:** October 18, 2011, 02:09:54 PM »

If you're a decent critical thinker than a good policy is good because it gets results, not because of where it was adapted from. If you're a wretched seething primitive that needs All Of Us to do the thinking for It, than socialism is bad because it's Other Than. The question of why it's such a successful political trick is really a question for group psychology.

Mandark · « **Reply #14499 on:** October 18, 2011, 02:20:21 PM »

Quote from: David Brooks last Thursday

Maybe it’s part of living in a postmaterialist economy, but nearly every practical question becomes a values question. You get politicians and commentators whose views are entirely predictable because they don’t care about the specifics of any particular issue.

...

At the national level anybody who tries to zig and zag gets regarded as weak and traitorous by the economic values groups. There are rewards for those who fight over symbols, few for those who see the thing itself.

Quote from: David Brooks today

But that doesn’t mean people are just shrinking back. Quietly but decisively, Americans are trying to restore the moral norms that undergird our economic system.

...

These majorities are focused on the fundamentals. They say that repairing the economic moral fabric is the essential national task right now. They are suspicious of government action in general, saying that government often undermines this fabric.

I've been trolled, haven't I?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #14500 on:** October 18, 2011, 02:22:56 PM »

urge to kill... rising...

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14501 on:** October 18, 2011, 02:24:42 PM »

Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on October 18, 2011, 02:09:54 PM

If you're a decent critical thinker than a good policy is good because it gets results, not because of where it was adapted from. If you're a wretched seething primitive that needs All Of Us to do the thinking for It, than socialism is bad because it's Other Than. The question of why it's such a successful political trick is really a question for group psychology.

remember back in 08 when Rush was slobbering over Romney? Then Obama passed a health care bill and conservatives casted Mittens out of the party. Whereas they had little problems with MA's health care plan back in 07

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #14502 on:** October 18, 2011, 02:28:05 PM »

Well that was all before the fabric of America was destroyed because OMG BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE

Barry Egan · « **Reply #14503 on:** October 18, 2011, 03:48:27 PM »

merely rest assured that traditional conservative ethics are sweeping the nation and the particulars about whether it be in a tenacious political fashion or through an imperceivable private coup it will surely be an enjoyable read when david brooks writes a self indulgent psychological fantasy novel about it.

Oblivion · « **Reply #14504 on:** October 18, 2011, 07:23:42 PM »

Just gonna leave this right here...

http://dailykos.com/story/2011/10/18/1027737/-Tea-Party-Nation-asks-businesses-to-stop-hiring-as-expression-of-tea-party solidarity?detail=hide&via=blog_1

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #14505 on:** October 18, 2011, 07:26:39 PM »

Quote from: Green Man on October 18, 2011, 05:13:30 PM

Roemer is doing an AmA on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/lgklh/iama_2012_gop_presidential_candidate_i_believe_in/

I like Roemer- too bad his own party doesnt like him

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14506 on:** October 18, 2011, 08:53:34 PM »

Perry attacks Romney on immigration, audience boos Perry. Yea, he's finished

Oblivion · « **Reply #14507 on:** October 18, 2011, 09:01:35 PM »

From what I've seen, the audience is very pro-Romney and this shouldn't be taken as a sign that the rest of the tea bagger set approves.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #14508 on:** October 18, 2011, 11:22:00 PM »

I find "illegals" is really ugly comng out of the mouth

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #14509 on:** October 19, 2011, 12:50:22 AM »

Charles Pierce disembowels David Brooks and wears his guts like a trophy in this here blog post.

fomalhaut · « **Reply #14510 on:** October 19, 2011, 03:03:20 AM »

so do the reactions against the movement really just show the abyssal straits we are in, as a united nation? i mean, all the players are acting exactly according to their scripts and any chance of rhetoric or hope is crushed often enough in my mind.

How is it possible to remove the effects of 40 years of propaganda and cultural narrative completely controlled by media?

and a note, since i've moved to Europe i've found all these notions of 'socialism' and other vague and meaningless blanket statements which are meant to simply scare a paranoid populace even more comical than before, i mean my lord, these are capitalist nations to the core, just with restraints and concepts of social justice mixed into the pot and the result is pretty decent for the most part. No death panels here... but i knew that all along

benjipwns · « **Reply #14511 on:** October 19, 2011, 04:15:21 AM »

Quote from: Oblivion on October 18, 2011, 09:01:35 PM

From what I've seen, the audience is very pro-Romney and this shouldn't be taken as a sign that the rest of the tea bagger set approves.

Romney's big in Nevada. He got 51% of the vote there last time. There's a solid amount of Mormons there, either second or third with Idaho. (Harry Reid of course being one of them.) Although back in 2008 I read that a lot of his goodwill came from the 2002 Olympics as it boosted tourism in Nevada, for obvious reasons. Plus, it's a convention selected caucus, not a primary. (Angle won in a primary.)

Brehvolution · « **Reply #14512 on:** October 19, 2011, 02:04:44 PM »

Mupepe · « **Reply #14513 on:** October 19, 2011, 03:29:06 PM »

I was talking to my wife about that yesterday.

Her father has a mortgage with Bank of America. BofA purchased it from Countrywide. He has terrible credit and is always behind at least 1 payment.

They got a letter yesterday saying that they had transferred the loan to another company. I have been reading for the last few weeks about the shady shit BofA has been doing with their toxic assets. I have a feeling his home is getting repossessed very soon.

Oblivion · « **Reply #14514 on:** October 19, 2011, 05:22:25 PM »

Charlie Pierce's summary of the debate yesterday:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/republican-debate-6518814

The Iran-Contra thing was fucking amazing.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14515 on:** October 19, 2011, 07:07:49 PM »

BoA might go belly up soon. It's like they want to crash, with this bullshit $5 fee shit next year. I'll move my money out in December

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14516 on:** October 19, 2011, 07:18:05 PM »

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #14517 on:** October 19, 2011, 08:08:22 PM »

The cult set will get pissy about this but fuck em: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/10/19/Obama-pulling-in-Wall-Street-donations/UPI-18421319065415/?spt=hs&or=tn

Oblivion · « **Reply #14518 on:** October 19, 2011, 08:15:42 PM »

Quote from: The Experiment on October 19, 2011, 08:08:22 PM

The cult set will get pissy about this but fuck em: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/10/19/Obama-pulling-in-Wall-Street-donations/UPI-18421319065415/?spt=hs&or=tn

Somewhat surprising. I read a report the other that said Obama was being outspent in Wall Street donations 5 to 1 against Romney.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #14519 on:** October 19, 2011, 08:54:46 PM »

Pretty much all the big banks are going to have some sort of monthly fee for using debit cards, just a matter of time.

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Author Topic: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics (Read 1866609 times)