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Rep. Jane Harman , the California Democrat with a longtime involvement in intelligence issues, was overheard on an NSA wiretap telling a suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department reduce espionage-related charges against two officials of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful pro-Israel organization in Washington.

Harman was recorded saying she would “waddle into” the AIPAC case “if you think it’ll make a difference,” according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript.

In exchange for Harman’s help, the sources said, the suspected Israeli agent pledged to help lobby Nancy Pelosi , D-Calif., then-House minority leader, to appoint Harman chair of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections, which the Democrats were heavily favored to win.


Seemingly wary of what she had just agreed to, according to an official who read the NSA transcript, Harman hung up after saying, “This conversation doesn’t exist.”
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What is new is that Harman is said to have been picked up on a court-approved NSA tap directed at alleged Israel covert action operations in Washington.

And that, contrary to reports that the Harman investigation was dropped for “lack of evidence,” it was Alberto R. Gonzales, President Bush’s top counsel and then attorney general, who intervened to stop the Harman probe.

Why? Because, according to three top former national security officials, Gonzales wanted Harman to be able to help defend the administration’s warrantless wiretapping program, which was about break in The New York Times and engulf the White House.


As for there being “no evidence” to support the FBI probe, a source with first-hand knowledge of the wiretaps called that “bull****.”

“I read those transcripts,” said the source, who like other former national security officials familiar with the transcript discussed it only on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of domestic NSA eavesdropping.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=hsnews-000003098436&cpage=1
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Israel agents have to ask US politicians to help them, and promise possible rewards? What happened to them being in control of Washington, bribing people with gold, etc  :(
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President Obama plans to convene his Cabinet for the first time today, and he will order its members to identify a combined $100 million in budget cuts over the next 90 days, according to a senior administration official.

Although the budget cuts would amount to a minuscule portion of federal spending, they are intended to signal the president's determination to cut spending and reform government, the official said.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042000641.html?hpid=topnews

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That $100M is .003% of the $3.5 trillion budget just passed. I remember people here ripping McCain over earmarks because it represented such a small portion of the total money spent. Good times.


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. I remember people here ripping McCain over earmarks because it represented such a small portion of the total money spent. Good times.



Yeah because McCain was OBSESSED with earmarks/pork. Every single answer at the debates tended to be answered by cutting earmarks. Obama hasn't obsessed over this nonstop like McCain. Stop making useless comparisons.

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Obama was just as critical of pork. That is until he had to actually back up that criticism when he signed the pork-laden $410B spending bill last month.

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Obama was just as critical of pork. That is until he had to actually back up that criticism when he signed the pork-laden $410B spending bill last month.
He was critical of pork but to equal it to McCain?  :lol McCain wouldn't talk about ANYTHING other than pork in those debates pretty much.




Oh and wtf at GOVER NORQUIST making sense and defending Obama over Conservatives attacking him for being friendly with Chavez.  :o ???
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FDR shook hands with Stalin, a mass murderer and tyrant. Nixon shook hands with the leadership of communist China with a similar amount of blood on their hands. The stated ideology of both nation's ruling communist parties at the time called for the destruction of liberty in the United States.

What to do? "Recognize" all governments that are truly in power. Recognition is not approval. Talk to all foreign leaders regularly.

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Nah Obama was the one constantly pointing out how pork spending was so small (compared to the total bill/budget/etc) it was not worth the outrage, SD. Remember the debates?
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Nah Obama was the one constantly pointing out how pork spending was so small (compared to the total bill/budget/etc) it was not worth the outrage, SD. Remember the debates?
Yes that is true, Obama always retorted McCain's masturbation over cutting pork with that while he doesn't like it either it is minuscule and cutting it won't do much.

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So while SD is wrong about that, I suppose he's right that Obama making a big deal about cutting $100 million is more for show than anything. But who knows, maybe he'll do something like this every month or something like that
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FWIW, Martin Armstrong's Economic Confidence Model turn date is today. Doesn't bottom until June 2011.

Not implying its accurate. But, read some of his works. Pretty interesting.

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Feel the dumb:

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STEPHANOPOULOS: So what is the responsible way? That’s my question. What is the Republican plan to deal with carbon emissions, which every major scientific organization has said is contributing to climate change?

BOEHNER: George, the idea that carbon dioxide is a carcinogen that is harmful to our environment is almost comical. Every time we exhale, we exhale carbon dioxide. Every cow in the world, you know, when they do what they do, you’ve got more carbon dioxide.

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Obama was just as critical of pork. That is until he had to actually back up that criticism when he signed the pork-laden $410B spending bill last month.

Hey hey, it's another lie!




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Watch the whole thing.  The tagline at the end is the best part.
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Looks like Ron Paul is on the secession bangwagon now too
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So the UN is now saying Obama is violating international law for not pursuing prosecution on the CIA toture goons.  This being a direct result of the the declassification of the torture memos, not like the UN has any clout about enforcing these things.

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So while SD is wrong about that, I suppose he's right that Obama making a big deal about cutting $100 million is more for show than anything. But who knows, maybe he'll do something like this every month or something like that

That wouldn't be a great approach.

Long term, we know where the bills are going to come due:  health care.  Medicare and Medicaid costs are going to explode over the next few decades and everything else is small beans by comparison.

The first steps towards health care reform in Obama's budget are way more important than whatever cuts this turns up, or even the big-ticket military boondoggles they're scrapping.



Rman:  Not the UN so much as one UN official.  I see his point, but I think the truth-and-reconciliation process is the way to go.

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Looks like Ron Paul is on the secession bangwagon now too
He called secession patriotic and American. When it is the complete opposite.  :lol

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I'll conceed its misrepresentative.  >:(

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So Giuliani is gonna go on a crusade to defend traditional marriage.

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you forgot to include the pics of him at gay pride parades and in drag
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Word has it he is going to run for Gubna next year.

Also, Tapper fucking annihilated Gibbs today on the $100M vs. the $8B in earmarks. One is small and the other is large. I'll let y'all figure out which is which.

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« Reply #3680 on: April 20, 2009, 05:07:45 PM »
The $100 million, because the earmarks don't represent an increase in spending, just a shift in who allocates the money?

Wakka wakka.

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Word has it he is going to run for Gubna next year.
He'll be crushed by Cuomo who is going to primary David Patterson (and poll data shows Cuomo crushing our favorite blind governor by like 30 points).

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Why We Should Banish Larry Summers From Public Life

By Naomi Klein, Washington Post, April 19, 2009

I vote to banish Larry Summers. Not from the planet. That wouldn't be nice. Just from public life.

The criticisms of President Obama's chief economic adviser are well known. He's too close to Wall Street. And he's a frightful bully, of both people and countries. Still, we're told we shouldn't care about such minor infractions. Why? Because Summers is brilliant, and the world needs his big brain.

And this brings us to a central and often overlooked cause of the global financial crisis: Brain Bubbles. This is the process wherein the intelligence of an inarguably intelligent person is inflated and valued beyond all reason, creating a dangerous accumulation of unhedged risk. Larry Summers is the biggest Brain Bubble we've got.

Brain Bubbles start with an innocuous "whiz kid" moniker in undergrad, which later escalates to "wunderkind." Next comes the requisite foray as an economic adviser to a small crisis-wracked country, where the kid is declared a "savior." By 30, our Bubble Boy is tenured and officially a "genius." By 40, he's a "guru," by 50 an "oracle." After a few drinks: "messiah."

The superhuman powers bestowed upon these men -- and yes, they are all men -- shield them from the scrutiny that might have prevented the current crisis. Alan Greenspan's Brain Bubble allowed him to put the economy at great risk: When he made no sense, people assumed that it was their own fault. Brain Bubbles also formed the key argument Greenspan and Summers used to explain why lawmakers couldn't regulate the derivatives market: The wizards on Wall Street were too brilliant, their models too complex, for mere mortals to understand.

Back in 1991, Summers argued that the subject of economics was no longer up for debate: The answers had all been found by men like him. "The laws of economics are like the laws of engineering," he said. "One set of laws works everywhere." Summers subsequently laid out those laws as the three "-ations": privatization, stabilization and liberalization. Some "kinds of ideas," he explained a few years later in a PBS interview, have already become too "passé" for discussion. Like "the idea that a huge spending program is the way to stimulate the economy."

And that's the problem with Larry. For all his appeals to absolute truths, he has been spectacularly wrong again and again. He was wrong about not regulating derivatives. Wrong when he helped kill Depression-era banking laws, turning banks into too-big-to-fail welfare monsters. And as he helps devise ever more complex tricks and spends ever more taxpayer dollars to keep the financial casino running, he remains wrong today.

Word is that Summers's current post may be a pit stop on the way to the big prize, Federal Reserve chairman. That means he could actually make "maestro."

Mr. President, please: Pop this bubble before it's too late.
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Jaw dropping chart of the day:


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Not surprising. It's pretty shitty to see that so much value was a fabricated fantasy. Oh well... so much wealth was grown over the past 8-10 years that it is too bad to see the wealth of a few was at the expense of a nation.
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jesus fucking christ people, they can't buck up and toe the line for a month?

      
About 20 probes of bailout underway
by Matt Kelley, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — A government watchdog has launched "almost 20" criminal investigations related to the $700 billion financial bailout program, according to a report to Congress to be released Tuesday.

Neil Barofsky, the special inspector general for the rescue program, says in the report that the probes involve possible public corruption; corporate, stock and tax fraud; insider trading; and mortgage fraud. Barofsky provided no information on who is being investigated or why, saying details will not be released "until public action is taken."

SORTABLE LIST: Companies receiving bailout money

The special inspector general's office is focusing on possible wrongdoing by recipients of money under the Treasury Department's Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).

"Those who make intentional misrepresentations in the TARP application process or in their financial reporting to Treasury may be in violation of several criminal statutes," the report says.
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In an interview with National Public Radio this month, Barofsky said one probe involves bank officials who were allegedly "cooking their books" to qualify for rescue funds. He did not name the bank.

Charles Clark, a lawyer with the firm Kirkland & Ellis, said banks that got TARP money worry that they could be prosecuted for conduct they thought was legal at the time. "Companies are fearful that the regulatory structure could be built on the backs of criminal defendants," said Clark, who helped direct the Securities and Exchange Commission's investigation of Enron eight years ago.

The report, the most extensive account of Barofsky's work since he took office in December, also provides new details on the agency's audits, which are separate from criminal investigations. A previously announced audit of the Treasury Department's decisions to invest $45 billion in Bank of America will be expanded to include the first nine firms that got taxpayer money, the report says.

In addition, the inspector general's report says an audit of the $165 million in bonuses to executives at American International Group also will examine Treasury's oversight of bonuses and other executive perks at all firms that received bailout money. News of the bonuses created a furor in Congress and prompted the company to call on its executives to pay the money back. Another audit by Barofsky's office is examining AIG's payments to its partners in some risky investments — mostly banks and other financial companies, including some foreign firms.

AIG said in an SEC filing Monday that it had complied with unspecified requests from Barofsky's office.

The Treasury Department has committed to spend $590.4 billion of the $700 billion allocated to the program since it began in October, Barofsky's report says. Firms receiving rescue money have paid more than $3.1 billion in dividends and interest to the government so far, the report says.
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I fucking hate the financial sector.
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Piggybacking off that:

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Taxpayers are increasingly exposed to losses and the government is more vulnerable to fraud under Obama administration initiatives that have created a federal bank bailout program of "unprecedented scope," a government report finds.

In a 250-page quarterly report to Congress, the rescue program's special inspector general concludes that a private-public partnership designed to rid financial institutions of their "toxic assets" is tilted in favor of private investors and creates "potential unfairness to the taxpayer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bank-bailout-may-hurt-apf-14979409.html?.v=8



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Remember when everyone chided McCain for "impeding" the progress of the TARP program? How he was grandstanding for political gain? How every wasted day was another step towards "the end"? hahahaha

Not that it would have made a difference. Politicians were shitting bricks and would have rubber stamped any program the banking sector dreamed up.



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So he wasn't grandstanding for political gain?

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How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.
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How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.

I read 100 Bullets over the weekend and I think the sour taste it left in my mouth is due to the fact that the central premise - politicians are powerless, and America is really run by a cabal of wealthy families who divied up America like so much sweet potato pie several hundred years ago - was too believable.
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maybe it's not a heist, but identity theft!
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How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.

I read 100 Bullets over the weekend and I think the sour taste it left in my mouth is due to the fact that the central premise - politicians are powerless, and America is really run by a cabal of wealthy families who divied up America like so much sweet potato pie several hundred years ago - was too believable.

i'm reading that now as well

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If I remember correctly, McCain didn't have an alternative, his argument was that there wasn't a need to rush this through. Allow it to have the proper gestation time like other matters of legislation.

Then, of course, he was labeled as being out of touch. Especially on economic matters. I believe around that time the Phill Gramm connection to his adminstration was being floated out there.

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How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.

You get Jason Statham for the lead and I'd watch that.

But seriously, there's an amazing amount of chutzpah here.  It's like nobody involve understands that they screwed up, or that they're going to have to take some lumps.  They still expect to keep the same status, get the same size paycheck, play by the same rules, etc. as before.

I've read that FDR came into office thinking he could work with the bankers, because he was the main obstacle between them and populist outrage.  They didn't see it that way.

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You don't think that more time spent on the legislation would've just resulted in more loopholes and outs for the Banks?
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If I remember correctly, McCain didn't have an alternative, his argument was that there wasn't a need to rush this through. Allow it to have the proper gestation time like other matters of legislation.

Then, of course, he was labeled as being out of touch. Especially on economic matters. I believe around that time the Phill Gramm connection to his adminstration was being floated out there.

Wait, what?  Are we talking about the same thing, that went down in September?  I remember McCain saying the bank bailout was urgent business ("inaction isn't an option"), suspending his campaign to go to Washington, attending a meeting at the White House where he wouldn't say what he actually supported, then making a big show of working the phones to get a deal done.

And he wasn't out of touch on economic matters?

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obama was friends with bill ayers

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Then, of course, he was labeled as being out of touch. Especially on economic matters. I believe around that time the Phill Gramm connection to his adminstration was being floated out there.

Whoa wait, WHAT?  McCain backed Gramm in the 96 primaries.  McCain has ALWAYS had a love affair with Gramm, it's pretty common knowledge.  Gramm wrote most of McCain's economic program and almost certainly would have been TreasSec had McCain won... at least pre "nation of whiners" gaffe, anyway.  It's not like McCain's economic team inspired a lot of confidence- he had the idiot that wrote DOW 36,000 in there too.
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If I remember correctly, McCain didn't have an alternative, his argument was that there wasn't a need to rush this through. Allow it to have the proper gestation time like other matters of legislation.

Then, of course, he was labeled as being out of touch. Especially on economic matters. I believe around that time the Phill Gramm connection to his adminstration was being floated out there.

Wait, what?  Are we talking about the same thing, that went down in September?  I remember McCain saying the bank bailout was urgent business ("inaction isn't an option"), suspending his campaign to go to Washington, attending a meeting at the White House where he wouldn't say what he actually supported, then making a big show of working the phones to get a deal done.

And he wasn't out of touch on economic matters?

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How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.

I read 100 Bullets over the weekend and I think the sour taste it left in my mouth is due to the fact that the central premise - politicians are powerless, and America is really run by a cabal of wealthy families who divied up America like so much sweet potato pie several hundred years ago - was too believable.

i'm reading that now as well


I liked it, I think, but the series is rather brutal in its characterization and plotting. It's like watching the sausage factory and the sausage is our modern society. I'm curious what your more crime-fiction soaked mindset is making of it so far. Feel free to take it to gmail.
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no.  fuck everyone else.  we'll have this out here in this thread.

i'm actually only on issue 13 so the big mysteries haven't been revealed.  but as a crime comic, it's so goddamn good.  like the early issues with the dice swindler, the guy in the shooting gallery (junkie house, not firing range), i've only hit a few of the "mythology" issues again so i'm not super up to snuff on that.

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The government's complaint describes Muse as the ringleader among the pirates.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/04/21/ST2009042101514.html?hpid=moreheadlines

gosh, how convenient that the one person not shot happens to be the ringleader of the whole operation.
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The somali pirate thing is the biggest non-story in a while.  It's like baby Jessica down the well kind of shit. 


I mean, come on....what the fuck?! He doesn't even have an eye patch or knee high boots.
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The somali pirate thing is the biggest non-story in a while.  It's like baby Jessica down the well kind of shit. 


I mean, come on....what the fuck?! He doesn't even have an eye patch or knee high boots.

i think it's important, i just think that the way the media handles stories like this that it isn't designed to really convey the right information regarding the subject.
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The somali pirate thing is the biggest non-story in a while.  It's like baby Jessica down the well kind of shit. 


I mean, come on....what the fuck?! He doesn't even have an eye patch or knee high boots.

What?!

They got paid over $80M in ransom last year. Raising the cost of goods to a lot of countries. These aren't small vessels they are taking control of. They are huge freighters with millions in cargo on them. They need to be defended.
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The somali pirate thing is the biggest non-story in a while.  It's like baby Jessica down the well kind of shit. 


I mean, come on....what the fuck?! He doesn't even have an eye patch or knee high boots.

i think it's important, i just think that the way the media handles stories like this that it isn't designed to really convey the right information regarding the subject.

I am in absolute agreement actually. 


It becomes a tabloid story.....sensational bullshit.




Zero Hero - I think you might have missed my point (not very well written, or even thought out maybe). I am talking about how everyone is handling the story and how I hear people all of a sudden talking about how to fix the Somali pirate problem like it is some kind of world wide crisis....which it is not. $80 million in ransom is a drop in the fucking bucket to some of these companies....not to say that it is at all right what the pirates are doing.
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Had to more time to research the timeline around McCain's triumphant return to DC in September to fix the TARP problem and I was wrong.

He came in all mavericky, but quickly changed his tune a day later. He was dead set against an AIG bailout, then about a week later said they were a critical part of the world economy.

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Well, gracious of you to say so.  (Not sarcasm)

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« Reply #3712 on: April 22, 2009, 01:29:46 AM »
The next hot rightwing folk tale:  ZOMG an Obama judicial nominee wants to ban "Jesus Christ" from public prayers but says "Allah" is OK!

The actual facts of the case.  (spoiler alert)

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If they don't televise the George W. Bush/Bill Clinton debate this may I am going to kill someone. Even though it will be friendly Clinton will still wipe the floor with Bush. I want to see that. :(

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I'll conceed its misrepresentative.  >:(

Why no props?

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Freddie Mac CFO commited suicide this morning. There have been inquiries into possible accounting violations. Suspicions pretty much confirmed now. Wonder how bad the losses actually were?

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I'm guessing he had a copy of Obama's birth certificate
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So apparently having tortured prisoners give false information was a feature, not a bug:

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Report: Abusive tactics used to seek Iraq-al Qaida link

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WASHINGTON — The Bush administration applied relentless pressure on interrogators to use harsh methods on detainees in part to find evidence of cooperation between al Qaida and the late Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's regime, according to a former senior U.S. intelligence official and a former Army psychiatrist.

Such information would've provided a foundation for one of former President George W. Bush's main arguments for invading Iraq in 2003. In fact, no evidence has ever been found of operational ties between Osama bin Laden's terrorist network and Saddam's regime.

The use of abusive interrogation — widely considered torture — as part of Bush's quest for a rationale to invade Iraq came to light as the Senate issued a major report tracing the origin of the abuses and President Barack Obama opened the door to prosecuting former U.S. officials for approving them.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney and others who advocated the use of sleep deprivation, isolation and stress positions and waterboarding, which simulates drowning, insist that they were legal.

A former senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the interrogation issue said that Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld demanded that the interrogators find evidence of al Qaida-Iraq collaboration.

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GM says they will default on a $1B loan due June 1st.

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You don't get to see smackdowns like this everyday
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