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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5340 on: September 16, 2009, 11:14:04 PM »

Obama  :lol
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« Reply #5341 on: September 16, 2009, 11:35:10 PM »
:lol Obama's such a dork. 

Ta-Nehisi Coates over at the Atlantic had a pretty astute blog entry on all of the the white rage at Obama earlier today:

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Barack Obama, bourgeois in every way that bourgeois is right and just, will not dance. He tells kids to study--and they seethe. He accepts an apology for an immature act of rudeness--and they go hysterical. He takes his wife out for a date--and their veins bulge. His humanity, his ordinary blackness, is killing them. Dig the audio of his response to Kanye West--the way he says, "He's a jackass." He sounds like one of my brothers. And that's the point, because that's what he is. Barack Obama refuses to be their distinguished black fellow. And it's driving them crazy.

It's about time.

Impotent rage is definitely less seemly than righteous rage, and creating a fiction that pretends your anger is truly righteous might give you traction among likeminded people, but it's also leaving everyone else just scratching there head. Maybe some of the more intelligent (and cynical) among them realize that if they kick up enough smoke there are some out there that will believe there's actually fire.

It's just all so silly.
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« Reply #5342 on: September 16, 2009, 11:40:01 PM »
Obama. He's just this guy, you know?
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« Reply #5343 on: September 16, 2009, 11:58:12 PM »
I want my white privileges back.

Socialism is a conservative/libertarian code word for millionaires make less money. Poor them.
Communism is code for common sense which they know their loyal idiots will use to vote against their own self interests.
It's worked for 200+ years. Do you expect them to change? They are called conservatives for a reason.
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« Reply #5344 on: September 17, 2009, 01:08:43 AM »
socialism is a codeword for "the terrifying other" which can include both eastern europeans and black folks
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« Reply #5345 on: September 17, 2009, 01:10:22 AM »
Also jewz
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« Reply #5346 on: September 17, 2009, 02:36:32 AM »
I'm pretty sure that CZAR MADNESS is the new hottness.
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« Reply #5347 on: September 17, 2009, 02:43:56 AM »
I don't have cable so I dunno if any "journalists" have asked these clowns why they didn't object to Bush's czars, or HW's, or Reagan's, etc
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« Reply #5348 on: September 17, 2009, 02:53:09 AM »
What power do they have again

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« Reply #5349 on: September 17, 2009, 03:25:11 AM »
What I celebrate, pausingly, is the end of the career of a horrible human being, through and through, and if Obama et. al are so keen to tie their project to him, then I would like to see it die as he did.

I think this is pretty telling.

JD's political beliefs are usually pretty consistent.  Everything flows from the single axiom of absolute individual rights (including property rights) that exist independently of human society.  So you get positions that could normally be called "left" or "right".

But it's pretty obvious where his passions are.  The strongest language and the most emotional outbursts are generally reserved for people who used the power of the state for left-liberal ideas of social and economic justice: spending money to aid the poor, elderly, sick, marginalized, etc.  Those are the "horrible human beings".

Sure, he'll denounce corporate welfare, statist racism, and warfare if you prompt him.  But compared to his tirades against the Kennedys of the world, it's perfunctory.  When he makes exceptions, it's usually in one direction.  Presumably the humanity of DC's residents entitle them to the natural right to vote, but it's not something he wants to see delivered.  Ditto illegal immigrants, for whom deportation is apparently just a minor nuisance.

Contrast Kennedy's death, which JD's gleeful about, with Pinochet's.  He didn't endorse the guy, but felt it was important to say that he was better than other, socialist rulers, and to muse about the counterfactual.  "What if Allende had declared himself a dictator?  Guess we'll never know..."





re:  Taxachussets, seven time winner of the nation's Annual Worst Portmanteau Contest.

The state has a lower tax burden than the US average, as a percentage of per capita income.  The main source of revenue is a flat income tax.

You can find the links for yourselves.  I've decided to spend my time more productively, raising funds to sponsor week-long field trips to Earth for underprivileged libertarian children.

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« Reply #5350 on: September 17, 2009, 03:46:41 AM »
... to Earth? ???
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« Reply #5351 on: September 17, 2009, 03:56:44 AM »
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A Long Island Jewish newspaper reports that a prominent religious leader chided White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in a speech last Tuesday at a local synagogue.

“They all say he’s a foul-mouthed person and as a Jew, a menuval [a disgusting person]," Orthodox Union President Stephen Savitsky said, according to The Jewish Star. "I find it offensive. He’s a mishneh l’melech [advisor to a king], the language he uses… I think it’s very unbecoming as a Jewish person.”

Savitsky said, via email, that he had been misquoted, and that he did not use the term "menuvel."

His actual quote, he said, was less biting, though still disapproving: "It has been broadly reported in the media that Emanuel uses foul words and, from a religious Jewish point of view, that is unbecoming for anyone, let alone an adviser to the president (mishneh l'melech)," Savitsky said he told the audience.

By his account, "there were questions about Rahm Emanuel and in the course of the discussion, [Savitsky] was asked whether Emanuel is a 'self hating Jew' and [he] rebutted that charge flatly." He mentioned that his group was welcomed "graciously" at the White House yesterday.

The Jewish Star's publisher and editor-in-chief, Mayer Fertig, said he paper "absolutely" stands by the quote, and added that Savitsky had asked before publication that it be omitted, but not disputed its accuracy.

Emanuel, in any case, has not shown any embarassment about his language, which is famous to the point of caricature. He reportedly keeps in his office a nameplate reading, "Undersecretary for Go F*** Yourself.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Jewish_leader_rebukes_Rahm_on_language.html

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« Reply #5352 on: September 17, 2009, 04:11:24 AM »
"Do you see this nameplate?"
"... Yeah."
"What does it say?"
"..."
"What does it say, Larry?!"
"Undersecretary of Go Fuck Yourself."
"That's right, so you better get to it."
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« Reply #5353 on: September 17, 2009, 08:35:31 AM »
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/

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Tea Party Protesters Protest D.C. Metro Service

Protesters who attended Saturday’s Tea Party rally in Washington found a new reason to be upset: Apparently they are unhappy with the level of service provided by the subway system.

Rep. Kevin Brady called for a government investigation into whether the government-run subway system adequately prepared for this weekend’s rally to protest government spending and government services.

Seriously.

The Texas Republican on Wednesday released a letter he sent to Washington’s Metro system complaining that the taxpayer-funded subway system was unable to properly transport protesters to the rally to protest government spending and expansion.

“These individuals came all the way from Southeast Texas to protest the excessive spending and growing government intrusion by the 111th Congress and the new Obama administration,” Brady wrote. “These participants, whose tax dollars were used to create and maintain this public transit system, were frustrated and disappointed that our nation’s capital did not make a great effort to simply provide a basic level of transit for them.”

A spokesman for Brady says that “there weren’t enough cars and there weren’t enough trains.” Brady tweeted as much from the Saturday march. “METRO did not prepare for Tea Party March! More stories. People couldn’t get on, missed start of march. I will demand answers from Metro,” he wrote on Twitter.

Brady says in his letter to Metro that overcrowding forced an 80-year-old woman and elderly veterans in wheelchairs to pay for cabs. He concludes that it “appears that Metro added no additional capacity to its regular weekend schedule.”

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« Reply #5354 on: September 17, 2009, 09:45:10 AM »
I enjoyed this article:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/index.html

I think it is a pretty good article explaining why Glenn Beck thinks the way he does.


Just finished reading the article.  That Beck gushes so much over those Skousen books make alot of sense. My wife has an insane uncle who never leaves me alone every time I go with her to see her family ( I try not to cause trouble with her family so I leave my opinions to myself).  He brings me all kinds of literature to read; the kind of stuff that only an insane person could believe in.  One of those books that he had was a Skousen book "The Naked Communist". He told me all about the intellectuals arming the Soviets with uranium and all that other bullshit.  Now I wish I had actually read it.....
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« Reply #5355 on: September 17, 2009, 09:47:26 AM »
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/

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Tea Party Protesters Protest D.C. Metro Service

Protesters who attended Saturday’s Tea Party rally in Washington found a new reason to be upset: Apparently they are unhappy with the level of service provided by the subway system.

Rep. Kevin Brady called for a government investigation into whether the government-run subway system adequately prepared for this weekend’s rally to protest government spending and government services.

Seriously.

The Texas Republican on Wednesday released a letter he sent to Washington’s Metro system complaining that the taxpayer-funded subway system was unable to properly transport protesters to the rally to protest government spending and expansion.

“These individuals came all the way from Southeast Texas to protest the excessive spending and growing government intrusion by the 111th Congress and the new Obama administration,” Brady wrote. “These participants, whose tax dollars were used to create and maintain this public transit system, were frustrated and disappointed that our nation’s capital did not make a great effort to simply provide a basic level of transit for them.”

A spokesman for Brady says that “there weren’t enough cars and there weren’t enough trains.” Brady tweeted as much from the Saturday march. “METRO did not prepare for Tea Party March! More stories. People couldn’t get on, missed start of march. I will demand answers from Metro,” he wrote on Twitter.

Brady says in his letter to Metro that overcrowding forced an 80-year-old woman and elderly veterans in wheelchairs to pay for cabs. He concludes that it “appears that Metro added no additional capacity to its regular weekend schedule.”

:rofl

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« Reply #5356 on: September 17, 2009, 10:50:06 AM »
That is pretty funny. :lol
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« Reply #5359 on: September 17, 2009, 02:52:38 PM »
The Republican CT Senate primary for 2010 just got a whooooole lot more crazy.

First, wife of WWE owner Vince McMahon Linda McMahon announced her candidacy yesterday.

Then today on Morning Joke noted glibertarian financial analyst Peter Schiff, who was right in predicting a lot of the financial disastrophe but wrong for the reasons, announced his candidacy.

I wonder who Chris Dodd would rather face- a circus sideshow lunatic like McMahon, a glibertarian idiot like Schiff or your average former Republican Congressman like Rob Simmons.  Sadly he's likely to lose against any of them so I'm kind of flipping a coin between Linda and Schiff, just for the entertainment value either would afford.
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« Reply #5360 on: September 17, 2009, 03:41:53 PM »
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/

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Tea Party Protesters Protest D.C. Metro Service

Protesters who attended Saturday’s Tea Party rally in Washington found a new reason to be upset: Apparently they are unhappy with the level of service provided by the subway system.

Rep. Kevin Brady called for a government investigation into whether the government-run subway system adequately prepared for this weekend’s rally to protest government spending and government services.

Seriously.

The Texas Republican on Wednesday released a letter he sent to Washington’s Metro system complaining that the taxpayer-funded subway system was unable to properly transport protesters to the rally to protest government spending and expansion.

“These individuals came all the way from Southeast Texas to protest the excessive spending and growing government intrusion by the 111th Congress and the new Obama administration,” Brady wrote. “These participants, whose tax dollars were used to create and maintain this public transit system, were frustrated and disappointed that our nation’s capital did not make a great effort to simply provide a basic level of transit for them.”

A spokesman for Brady says that “there weren’t enough cars and there weren’t enough trains.” Brady tweeted as much from the Saturday march. “METRO did not prepare for Tea Party March! More stories. People couldn’t get on, missed start of march. I will demand answers from Metro,” he wrote on Twitter.

Brady says in his letter to Metro that overcrowding forced an 80-year-old woman and elderly veterans in wheelchairs to pay for cabs. He concludes that it “appears that Metro added no additional capacity to its regular weekend schedule.”

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I came in here to post this. :rofl


Instead, have this:

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« Reply #5361 on: September 17, 2009, 04:35:20 PM »
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« Reply #5363 on: September 17, 2009, 07:48:02 PM »
Democrats should take advantage of this brief upswing in confidence to do a full court press of the public option.  No pussy co-op "alternative."  Get that shit passed finally.
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« Reply #5364 on: September 17, 2009, 08:02:44 PM »
I kind of wish that Obama had the balls to let them actually stand up in the Senate and filibuster it- read Roberts Rules of Order and the phone book, have them sleeping on cots to go and keep stopping progress in shifts and such.
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« Reply #5365 on: September 17, 2009, 08:55:12 PM »
saw a guy with an Obama poster with a hitler 'stache in front of DePaul today.   ::)

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« Reply #5366 on: September 18, 2009, 12:17:18 PM »
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]
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« Reply #5367 on: September 18, 2009, 03:14:48 PM »
Looks like The Kids in the Hall were doing Glenn Beck 20 years before Glenn Beck was.
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« Reply #5368 on: September 18, 2009, 05:13:53 PM »
I was laughing at this uncontrollably and I don't know why:

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]
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« Reply #5369 on: September 18, 2009, 05:41:27 PM »
I was laughing at this uncontrollably and I don't know why:

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Those are some awesome talks. Sounds like the shit I'd hear out of a convalescent home.

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« Reply #5370 on: September 18, 2009, 06:30:03 PM »
By the way, I do think linking czars to communism in the USSR has merit.  The period in which Russia had a czar directly preceded -- and, one could argue, was a major factor in precipitating -- their later adoption of communism.  Since we now have 32 czars, it's not irrational to fear that we may be en route to adopting 32 times the communism of the USSR.
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« Reply #5371 on: September 18, 2009, 09:39:01 PM »
By the way, I do think linking czars to communism in the USSR has merit.  The period in which Russia had a czar directly preceded -- and, one could argue, was a major factor in precipitating -- their later adoption of communism.  Since we now have 32 czars, it's not irrational to fear that we may be en route to adopting 32 times the communism of the USSR.


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« Reply #5372 on: September 19, 2009, 05:05:15 PM »
WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW

Today at the "Values Voters Summit" MO Rep. and 2010 Senate candidate Roy Blunt had a pretty incredible macaca moment where he compared Obama to a monkey.

[youtube=560,345]fwA8_TA-0Rg[/youtube]

But they're totes not racists or anything!
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« Reply #5373 on: September 19, 2009, 05:50:38 PM »
Where exactly does he compare Obama to a monkey?
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« Reply #5374 on: September 19, 2009, 06:13:25 PM »
[youtube=560,345]uH8owcMHc34[/youtube]

:lol :lol :lol
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« Reply #5375 on: September 19, 2009, 06:19:06 PM »
:lol

One of the ticker items read: "Michael Bay embarks on new project solely to piss off New York Times film critic, A.O. Scott" :lol
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« Reply #5376 on: September 19, 2009, 11:01:15 PM »
[youtube=560,345]xdVzDjYpDLs[/youtube]

Holy fuck I'm shocked. SMH x 100  :'(
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« Reply #5377 on: September 20, 2009, 12:44:05 AM »
I kind of wish that Obama had the balls to let them actually stand up in the Senate and filibuster it- read Roberts Rules of Order and the phone book, have them sleeping on cots to go and keep stopping progress in shifts and such.

Not sure where I read this, but during the stimulus fight it was reported that Reid (I think) had looked into the parliamentary rules and there's no feasible way to do this.

Senate am wannabe House of Lords failure total.

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« Reply #5378 on: September 20, 2009, 01:15:31 AM »


Sick burn from CNN :lol
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« Reply #5379 on: September 20, 2009, 01:23:34 AM »
ALL THE NEWS


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« Reply #5380 on: September 20, 2009, 01:43:28 AM »
What interests me is how the Fox ad feeds the fears of their target audience.  They really feel that mainstream news organizations deliberately marginalize them as part of a movement to put them under the power of un-American (socialist/Muslim/latino/whatever) forces.

A lot of Obama's book was about how to make people see their political opposition as real people, rather than some alien conspiracy.  The people at Fox, who have to know they're being dishonest, are more than happy to fuel people's worst impulses.





PS  Your daily Glenn Beck update:  He says that liberals making accusations of racism are using the same type of tactics as suicide bombers.  Remember that Beck Obama has a "deep seated hatred of white people" blah blah Beck's an idiot and a hypocrite yadda yadda.

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« Reply #5381 on: September 20, 2009, 01:49:16 AM »
Has the right let go of those ridiculous assertions that the were a million people in D.C. last weekend?
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« Reply #5382 on: September 20, 2009, 02:06:00 AM »
I was at Michigan's game today alongside 107,000 other folks. I didn't need to see that in order to realize Beck and his "university" numbers were bullshit, but it really just drove home the point that he's created an alternative reality where his followers dwell exclusively.

Oh yea, speaking of which

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Last week, a video of a school bus beating showing two African American children assaulting a white student began circulating the internet. Despite claims by authorities that the attack was not necessarily racially motivated, hate radio host Rush Limbaugh jumped on the story and claimed that in “Obama’s America the white kids now get beat up.” Yesterday, Limbaugh proposed a solution to this problem — a return to segregated busing:

LIMBAUGH: I think the guy’s wrong. I think not only it was racism, it was justifiable racism. I mean, that’s the lesson we’re being taught here today. Kid shouldn’t have been on the bus anyway. We need segregated buses — it was invading space and stuff. This is Obama’s America.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/17/783372/-Does-The-Republican-Party-Support-Segregation
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« Reply #5383 on: September 20, 2009, 02:07:35 AM »
:lol Rush Limbaugh
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« Reply #5384 on: September 20, 2009, 09:25:02 AM »
Speaking of Glenn Beck, here is the wasteland of remaining advertisers on his show:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909180039

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    * Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. (The Informant)

    * Roche Diagnostics (Accu-Chek Aviva)

    * Carbonite

    * News Corp. (The Wall Street Journal)

    * Foundation for a Better Life

    * The Law Office of Pulaski & Middleman

    * Toyota (Lexus)

    * Bruce Hornsby & The Noisemakers

    * Nutramax Laboratories, Inc. (Cosamin)   

    * The Villages (A Retirement Community)

    * Liberty Medical

    * Citrix (GoToMeeting)

    * The National Republican Trust PAC

    * LifeLock

    * FEMA (National Flood Insurance Program)

    * ExtenZe

    * AmMed Direct

    * National Review

    * GetaRoom.com

    * Department of Health and Human Services (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration)

In other words, a bunch of shit you see on daytime TV, the government (lolz), and penis pills.
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« Reply #5385 on: September 20, 2009, 01:52:24 PM »
The bigger advertisers pulled their adds, but their money is still pumping into the show iirc

The of the worst things about Obama Fever is that it turns people you know to be normal into raving lunatics. A couple folks I know have jumped on the czar outrage bandwagon. Of course, they had no idea Bush also had czars, as well as most presidents since FDR. And when I asked them what they thought czars did they stumbled over themselves before arguing "tax payers pay them and we don't even know what they do!" SMH  :-\
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« Reply #5386 on: September 20, 2009, 04:18:41 PM »
The bigger advertisers pulled their adds, but their money is still pumping into the show iirc

The of the worst things about Obama Fever is that it turns people you know to be normal into raving lunatics. A couple folks I know have jumped on the czar outrage bandwagon. Of course, they had no idea Bush also had czars, as well as most presidents since FDR. And when I asked them what they thought czars did they stumbled over themselves before arguing "tax payers pay them and we don't even know what they do!" SMH  :-\

At least they're being honest when they ramble on about that garbage. They don't even know what the President does, only what Fox says the President does.

Also, Limbaugh will be on the Jay Leno Show on Friday, I think. (Because a lot of his audience doesn't leave the house after 6PM anyway)
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5387 on: September 20, 2009, 09:32:46 PM »
I don't see how the federal government has the authority to compel people to buy health insurance. Pretty sure this will get challenged and overturned by the Supreme Court if that provision passes.

How do you figure? Please cite actual reasons besides ur freedom gut.
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5388 on: September 21, 2009, 12:57:31 AM »
Well if we're taking things literally John McCain might want a recount, since a bunch of votes probably only should have counted as 3/5 of a vote, and should have been cast by their rightful white male owners.
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5389 on: September 21, 2009, 01:06:45 AM »
Broad reading of the commerce clause.  There's nothing in the Constitution that specifically says the federal government gets to regulate product safety or environmental impacts, but here we are.  The Lochner era is long past.

Besides, there are multiple other ways to implement it.  Tell states they get no Medicaid money unless they implement mandates themselves.  Raise the payroll or income tax but exempt people from the hike if they have insurance.

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5390 on: September 21, 2009, 01:15:23 AM »
Broad reading of the commerce clause.  There's nothing in the Constitution that specifically says the federal government gets to regulate product safety or environmental impacts, but here we are.  The Lochner era is long past.

Besides, there are multiple other ways to implement it.  Tell states they get no Medicaid money unless they implement mandates themselves.  Raise the payroll or income tax but exempt people from the hike if they have insurance.

Is there any other way to read the commerce clause?!
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5391 on: September 21, 2009, 01:18:39 AM »
Now you're just trolling for libertarians.

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5392 on: September 21, 2009, 01:41:56 AM »
Well, as I understand it, people aren't forced to buy insurance, and for many lower and middle income people they won't actually pay anything or much of anything for it thanks to subsidies.

Anybody who wants to go uninsured can, but they will pay a significant tax for it, moreso then they would if they opted out of any coverage whatsoever.  Think of it all as a realignment of healthcare taxation and it makes more sense.

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5393 on: September 21, 2009, 01:50:46 AM »
what, laws should be eternal and immutable? that goes against the very spirit of the constitution.

are you SURE you aren't religious
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5394 on: September 21, 2009, 01:51:27 AM »
How do you figure? Please cite actual reasons besides ur freedom gut.

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to compel citizens to purchase health insurance?

That has never, and will never, work on a "progressive."

Rule of law?  They don't give a fuck.

I wonder if you're as verklempt about all the torture and illegal wiretapping that was done... probably not, as it didn't result in money being given to poor people.
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5395 on: September 21, 2009, 01:54:33 AM »
what, laws should be eternal and immutable? that goes against the very spirit of the constitution.

are you SURE you aren't religious

There's absolutely NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE between a libertopian/randroid and a fundamentalist whackjob.  One worships the invisible hand of the free market and a crappy author who couldn't write worth a damn, the other worships an invisible space fairy and a book they don't bother to understand.  Neither is capable of thinking for themselves.
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5396 on: September 21, 2009, 02:06:34 AM »
I'd like to point out again that a lot of the protections libertarians like (especially in the areas of free speech and defendants' rights) were created by court rulings that provided new interpretations of constitutional law, with no change in the text.

Judicial review is like federalism.  People act like they care about them for their own sakes, but 99% of the time the result is the most important thing.

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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5397 on: September 21, 2009, 02:13:39 AM »
laws are created based on agendas. society -- gasp -- progresses. i, for one, am glad that we aren't ruled by the status quo of 1776
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« Reply #5398 on: September 21, 2009, 02:25:39 AM »
JayDubya :lol
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Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
« Reply #5399 on: September 21, 2009, 09:53:49 AM »
what, laws should be eternal and immutable? that goes against the very spirit of the constitution.

are you SURE you aren't religious

There's absolutely NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE between a libertopian/randroid and a fundamentalist whackjob.  One worships the invisible hand of the free market and a crappy author who couldn't write worth a damn, the other worships an invisible space fairy and a book they don't bother to understand.  Neither is capable of thinking for themselves.

Then you combine the two and you get...
my ex girlfriend.

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