"A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics

[Van Cruncheon]

i suppose by jaydubya logic i can't abrogate a fetus' right to be human

[FlameOfCallandor]

i'm still racking my brain to think of a single facet of the human condition that i can't abrogate! i'm expecting to be AMAZED

So your response is, because I can kill you nothing should be a "right"

[FlameOfCallandor]

Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

Democrats

[Brehvolution]

Does that mean muslims have no rights?

republicans

[FlameOfCallandor]

Does that mean muslims have no rights?

Not sure what you're talking about.

distinguished mentally-challenged liberals.

[Brehvolution]

Does that mean muslims have no rights?

Not sure what you're talking about.

distinguished mentally-challenged liberals.

Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

Democrats

[FlameOfCallandor]

Still have not clue what you're trying to say. 


Perhaps if you just say it?

[Human Snorenado]

Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

Democrats

I would say that no one can be this obtuse, but I have your entire post history across multiple forums to contradict me here.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

Democrats

I would say that no one can be this obtuse, but I have your entire post history across multiple forums to contradict me here.

I would say that no one can type soo much without actually saying anything, but I have your entire post history across multiple forums to contradict me here.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Go ahead tell me what's wrong with this

Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

You can't, because your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.

[Brehvolution]

Which is the party that starts all the wars?

[Human Snorenado]

Go ahead tell me what's wrong with this

Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

You can't, because your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.

Right, because "rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you" is exactly equal to "rights are not inherent and dependent upon what society at large chooses to believe is a right"

Honestly, I don't know why anyone talks to you.  I think that there should be a filter that turns all of your posts into "PROOF!", "Ron Paul!" or "Gold!"  It's not like anyone could notice a difference.

[Barry Egan]

your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.

the question isn't whether or not its depressing but whether or not it's true.  The basic idea is to have a political system founded on the world as it is, however scary, and not on comforting fictions.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Which is the party that starts all the wars?

WW1 - Woodrow Wilson (D)
WW2 - F.D.R. (D)
Korean war - Harry Truman (D)
Vietnam war - L.B.J. (D)


hmmmm

[FlameOfCallandor]

your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.

the question isn't whether or not its depressing but whether or not it's true.  The basic idea is to have a political system founded on the world as it is, however scary, and not on comforting fictions.

I'll give you props for at least admitting this.

[Brehvolution]

Democrats started ww1 and 2? 

[FlameOfCallandor]

Right, because "rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you" is exactly equal to "rights are not inherent and dependent upon what society at large chooses to believe is a right"

I was replying to this.

i'm still racking my brain to think of a single facet of the human condition that i can't abrogate! i'm expecting to be AMAZED

Prole is arguing that there is no such thing as inherent rights because we can all kill you and take them away.m

[Barry Egan]

How is that not the case?

[AdmiralViscen]

Who set the requirements of the contract in question?

The parties entering into the contract.

And what gave these unemployed people, about to enter into a contract with Walmart, any say in what they were about to sign? They're jobless, at the end of their rope, being offered a job by one of the largest corporations on Earth. What established not only their capability to demand anything, but set down what they could expect to receive at minimum?

What changed from 1850 to the modern day that gave them such a cocky self-entitled attitude? Like you said, it's not like a thousand other uneducated, unemployed poor people wouldn't trip over themselves to work at Walmart even if they have to skip lunch. Why shouldn't Walmart just choose to hire those people?

[Brehvolution]

[Van Cruncheon]

your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.

the question isn't whether or not its depressing but whether or not it's true.  The basic idea is to have a political system founded on the world as it is, however scary, and not on comforting fictions.

yup. we can decide at any time that all film students are not worthy of life, abnegating even conscience in the pursuit of a new societal norm. read "hitler's willing executioners" if you want to see this principle of the human social condition in action!

[Van Cruncheon]

Prole is arguing that there is no such thing as inherent rights because we can all kill you and take them away.m

yup. who grants these so-called "inherent rights"? people. why can't we kill you and take all your self-assumed property if not for the fact that the mob, as of this very moment in time, is feeling lazy, largely satisfied, and/or generous?

hell, i remember SOMEONE who, just a year or three ago, considered all muslims to largely disposable on account of their conflicting beliefs!

[FlameOfCallandor]

And what beliefs were that?

[Van Cruncheon]

you tell me, you were the one all gung-ho for killin' 'em!

[FlameOfCallandor]

you tell me, you were the one all gung-ho for killin' 'em!

I was never arguing to kill mass Muslims or some bullshit. I was probably arguing against the fanaticism of rioting over fucking cartoon.

[Phoenix Dark]

plus there are hotter chicks on that side

[FlameOfCallandor]

Finally a government program that EB can get behind.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/08/fistgate-ii-high-school-students-given-fisting-kits-at-kevin-jennings-2001-glsen-conference/

In March 2000 the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) organization of Massachusetts held its 10 Year Anniversary GLSEN/Boston conference at Tufts University. This conference was fully supported by the Massachusetts Department of Education, the Safe Schools Program, the Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, and some of the presenters even received federal money. During the 2000 conference, workshop leaders led a “youth only, ages 14-21″ session that offered lessons in “fisting” a dangerous sexual practice. During another workshop an activist asked 14 year-old students, “Spit or swallow?… Is it rude?” The unbelievable audio clip is posted here. Barack Obama’s “Safe Schools Czar” Kevin Jennings is the founder of GLSEN. He was paid $273,573.96 as its executive director in 2007. Jennings was the keynote speaker at the 2000 GLSEN conference.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I thought we got behind all government programs

Mostly government is the one behind us.

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butt secks

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[FlameOfCallandor]

Fisting in the real world, for the most part, is girl on girl.

See, now I wouldn't know that since the Liberal fisting party bus never came to my school. 

[brawndolicious]

I don't really get the problem though.  I have no idea how the average gay teen's sex life is, but it just seems like this type of information will lead to less hospital visits.  It probably won't be any more graphic than a condom demonstration that we all saw our science teachers do.

[Barry Egan]

inside the mind of FoC - "but if what prole is saying is true then my entire political sys--LOL LIBERAL FISTING BUS!!!!"

[FlameOfCallandor]

We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I thought maybe we could find some common ground on teaching fisting in schools but I guess not. At least you guys continue to amuse me by defending stuff like that.

[Phoenix Dark]

fist gate>>>crash gate>>>>>>tiger gate

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Fistings disgusting

[FlameOfCallandor]

Fistings disgusting

Not if you do it safely. YOu just need the fisting party bus to teach you how to fist appropriately. 

[Ganhyun]

Tiger's story hasn't gotten to fisting yet, but it will.

I figured the porn star would have been involved in that

[Flannel Boy]

If only I knew how to use photoshop.

[Barry Egan]

We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I think both you and I agree that politics should be rooted in reality, so there is a common ground.  The problem is that you believe natural rights are real, and most of us haven't yet seen the evidence that you've seen.  So present your evidence.

[Barry Egan]

must you mock my quixotic attempts at actual discussion?   

[Human Snorenado]

must you mock my quixotic attempts at actual discussion?   

You'd get better discussion out of my dog.

[Van Cruncheon]

we stopped taking libertarians serious eons ago, and now we just push their hot buttons.

for example, i really do believe that a fetus is a lump of useless chemicals without any numinous "human" characteristics or qualities

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i also think that applies to most human organisms as well

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[FlameOfCallandor]

we stopped taking libertarians serious eons ago, and now we just push their hot buttons.

for example, i really do believe that a fetus is a lump of useless chemicals without any numinous "human" characteristics or qualities

See, common ground. I knew we could find it.

[Dickie Dee]

Don't wanna short-circut a healthy argument if that's what's happening, but arguing with FoC or JayDubya about inherant rights is just pretty much just arguing about which brand of Pixel Feed to give your Unicorn. Yes you can, but what do you really hope to accomplish?

[Barry Egan]

a miraculous surge in self-awareness from the other party.  Isn't that the secret wish underlying all internet politix? 

[Phoenix Dark]

We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I think both you and I agree that politics should be rooted in reality, so there is a common ground.  The problem is that you believe natural rights are real, and most of us haven't yet seen the evidence that you've seen.  So present your evidence.

Trying in vain to find common ground with distinguished mentally-challenged fellows? Chipopo=Obama confirmed

[Van Cruncheon]

we stopped taking libertarians serious eons ago, and now we just push their hot buttons.

for example, i really do believe that a fetus is a lump of useless chemicals without any numinous "human" characteristics or qualities

See, common ground. I knew we could find it.

no, you believe in "rights"

[Van Cruncheon]

Don't wanna short-circut a healthy argument if that's what's happening, but arguing with FoC or JayDubya about inherant rights is just pretty much just arguing about which brand of Pixel Feed to give your Unicorn. Yes you can, but what do you really hope to accomplish?

HOPENCHANGE

[Van Cruncheon]

a merry christmas to foc: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/books/200911/ayn-rand-dick-books-fountainhead

[Mandark]

From a Politico story on gold sellers advertising on right-wing shows:

But the retailers have nearly saturated some Fox shows, particularly Beck’s ratings juggernaut, which this summer maintained a handful of gold advertisers – including Goldline, Rosland Capital, Superior Gold Group and Merit Financial – even as dozens of other advertisers joined a boycott after Beck called Obama “a racist.”

“I could care less what people think of him,” Merit’s Epstein said of Beck. “We advertise on Fox because it makes the phone ring.”

Though Epstein’s firm has advertised on CNN, he said gold resonates more with Fox’s viewers “because it’s the angry white man audience - it’s the conservative audience. … They are distrustful of the government, of the regime.”

Indeed.

[Human Snorenado]

a merry christmas to foc: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/books/200911/ayn-rand-dick-books-fountainhead

None of this matters, right? We're talking about a phase, no different from purple hair and lip rings, right? Well, yes, it's true that in most cases, the fever breaks. That kid stands up, walks outside, and reflects on the 727 pages of Fountainhead and 1,168 of Atlas he's just wolfed down. And realizes: That was nearly 2,000 pages (more, really, given that Rand's loathing of collectivist parasites is matched only by her loathing of paragraph indents) without a single instance of irony or humor. Or subtlety. Or grace. Nearly 2,000 hectoring, brook-no-ambiguity, you're-either-a-lion-or-a-leech pages of breathtaking psychological obtuseness.

ETHER OMG ALL OVER YOUR FACE

[Barry Egan]

But they also tend to be people who—unlike all those semiotics majors who'd written off Rand as Nietzsche in a bra even before they'd graduated—impact our lives in direct ways.

 :'(

[Flannel Boy]

Atlas Shrugged (re)cracked Amazon's top fifty; early estimates place its 2009 sales at 400,000 copies—about double its 2008 total.

FoC's lucid arguments are having a huge impact. 

[AdmiralViscen]

We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I thought maybe we could find some common ground on teaching fisting in schools but I guess not. At least you guys continue to amuse me by defending stuff like that.

You could have tried responding to my post.

[Human Snorenado]

We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I thought maybe we could find some common ground on teaching fisting in schools but I guess not. At least you guys continue to amuse me by defending stuff like that.

You could have tried responding to my post.

PROOF

[brawndolicious]

nm wrong thread`

[Dickie Dee]

Oh God, the founder of Conservapia is the guest on Colbert

Edit: LOL, there's that open-source Conservative Bible they're working on and Colbert is chewing him out for removing the reference that Colbert was Moses.

[Oblivion]

Oh God, the founder of Conservapia is the guest on Colbert

Edit: LOL, there's that open-source Conservative Bible they're working on and Colbert is chewing him out for removing the reference that Colbert was Moses.

That guy was an amazing tool.

"Actually, what Jesus was trying to say was that the filthy poors are the ones that are going to hell!"

[Brehvolution]

Oh God, the founder of Conservapia is the guest on Colbert

Edit: LOL, there's that open-source Conservative Bible they're working on and Colbert is chewing him out for removing the reference that Colbert was Moses.

That guy was an amazing tool.

"Actually, what Jesus was trying to say was that the filthy poors are the ones that are going to hell!"

I grew up in a christian family. Went to christian school k-6. Today's christians are nothing like what I grew up around. In fact, I was shown plenty of videos showing how the media will try to manipulate you to do "satan's work". I remember it pretty vividly and see it all the time on Fox news. Which leads me to believe that in the past 15 years, at some point, christians were tricked into doing satan's work thinking it was god's.

[Brehvolution]

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/grayson-to-cheney-stfu.php?ref=fpb

"Well what about Bush Junior?" said Grayson. "I remember Bush Junior kissing Prince Abdullah on the cheek, and then holding his hand for an extended period of time. Maybe if he'd let him get to second base, then gasoline would be a dollar a gallon."

[Mandark]

Alan Grayson's the same one with the "Die quickly" and "K street whore" quotes, right?

I'm liking this guy.