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MrAngryFace

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Yeah, I'm somewhat impressed with the interview, although the problem is that these interviews tend to work on the assumption that the viewers/readers are capable of filling in the blanks, and as such they give themselves a bit too great of a margin. Though, if this is how Palin performs during arranged, directed interviews, I don't think she's going to do well in the wild.


Sadly i think there is only so much the media can do in an interview. if the viewers are stupid, theyre stupid.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #481 on: September 11, 2008, 08:49:48 PM »
"if she had given birth during that interview the child certainly wouldn't be a downie. Impressive performance"
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is rachel a blowhard like hannity/olbremann
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is rachel a blowhard like hannity/olbremann

Nah, she doesn't shout people down like Hannity, she will correct people who are trying to sell some BS but she's polite about it.  And unlike Olbermann she doesn't bloviate and actually has people on her show with opposing viewpoints- Pat Buchanan, writers from conservative magazines, etc.
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On the day her son leaves for Iraq, its almost unconscionable that she doesn't know the meaning of the Bush Doctrine.

That said, Obama didn't know Russia was on the UN Security Council. So...

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Good grief, this woman is going to get eaten alive in debates. Hell, in interviews too. And this was a soft one! Although it remains to be seen if people have the ability to connect the dots.

Anyone who still thinks this woman should be second in command after watching that spectacle of an interview should be sent to sea.

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And yet, nearly 50% of people do think that.

Fuck this country, ugh
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That Palin interview was awful. Also the 'hmph' from her was funny, like a mother waiting for her son to explain how to use a computer.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRVQ4xwwmQ

"If you don't vote, you're a moron."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRVQ4xwwmQ

"If you don't vote, you're a moron."

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He reminds me of Eddie Izzard in that, especially the little digression when he accidentally says "you can put a pig..."  I was pretty surprised how good he turned out to be hosting that show.

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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #492 on: September 12, 2008, 10:43:54 AM »
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Obama, like Jesus, lived on Planet Earth.  The similarities are striking.  Is that the best your beltway brothers can come up with? 

wow, angry much? Here I thought Jesus..err Obama..err Jesus (yes i'm messing with you guys) taught a message of turning the other cheek.

The comparison to Jesus of Obama doesn't annoy me. Its the comparison of Palin to the guy who ordered Jesus's execution that annoys me.



Edit: Man dude the popcorn gif is awesome.
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she mooshes her boob a little putting the popcorn in her mouth

i approve
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #495 on: September 12, 2008, 10:48:31 AM »
Our lord and Savior Obama Christ.

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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #496 on: September 12, 2008, 10:50:29 AM »
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« Reply #497 on: September 12, 2008, 10:51:30 AM »
We already have a Ron Paul card, can anyone shop up an Obama Christ card and a POW McCain card?  Then we can play political poker.
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« Reply #498 on: September 12, 2008, 10:52:33 AM »
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I dont agree with that either. Obama may be a lot of things, but not a terrorist as far as I can tell.
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« Reply #499 on: September 12, 2008, 10:56:38 AM »
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Please tell me that pic isn't real.  If so WOW at Fox News.
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« Reply #500 on: September 12, 2008, 11:01:20 AM »
It's not real.

I dont agree with that either. Obama may be a lot of things, but not a terrorist as far as I can tell.

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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #501 on: September 12, 2008, 11:03:05 AM »
We already have a Ron Paul card, can anyone shop up an Obama Christ card and a POW McCain card?  Then we can play political poker.

We could almost do a whole deck from Palin alone.  The "blatant cynicism" card, the "false outrage" card, the "false sexism" card, the "false reformer" card etc etc.

And no that's not real, someone shopped it.
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« Reply #502 on: September 12, 2008, 11:04:12 AM »
Please tell me that pic isn't real.  If so WOW at Fox News.
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Here's the video
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #503 on: September 12, 2008, 11:04:35 AM »
It's not real.

I dont agree with that either. Obama may be a lot of things, but not a terrorist as far as I can tell.

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Well you never know who could be a terrorist! It could be anybody lol.

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In case you don't get the idea, I don't actually think he is a terrorist. lmao.
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« Reply #504 on: September 12, 2008, 11:09:40 AM »
We already have a Ron Paul card, can anyone shop up an Obama Christ card and a POW McCain card?  Then we can play political poker.

We could almost do a whole deck from Palin alone.  The "blatant cynicism" card, the "false outrage" card, the "false sexism" card, the "false reformer" card etc etc.

And no that's not real, someone shopped it.

We can call that a Royal Straight Flush if you like.  Cause we can't find anything wrong with Obama amirite?


Please tell me that pic isn't real.  If so WOW at Fox News.
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Here's the video

I don't do shops/gifs dude sorry.  But hey I applaud your pixel eyes.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #505 on: September 12, 2008, 11:17:54 AM »
Obama, like Jesus, lived on Planet Earth.  The similarities are striking.  Is that the best your beltway brothers can come up with? 

wow, angry much? Here I thought Jesus..err Obama..err Jesus (yes i'm messing with you guys) taught a message of turning the other cheek.

The comparison to Jesus of Obama doesn't annoy me. Its the comparison of Palin to the guy who ordered Jesus's execution that annoys me.


So then you're a troll?   And me = angry over this?  Nah, what gets me angry is that there's a large chunk of our country that would repeat your post, yet they wouldn't be kidding.

I like the way things are going.  I'm starting to get slightly optimistic again.  If Obama loses, my mood would be much closer to apathetic or depressed than angry.  I've had the last 8 years of this administration to go through my angry and cynical stage and they're just not worth that anymore. 



I don't consider myself a troll per-se. I just happen to lean conservative in most of my views (but I do have some moderate/liberal views). In reality, no matter which is elected we the people will get screwed over. Its just a matter of voting for your views/ideas/etc.



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Yeah, the LOL OLD PEOPLE ad is useless. I get it he's old. The second one isnt as bad.The better ad is from planned parenthood group:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/plannet-parenthood-defend_n_125911.html

Article on Obamas two ads with video links:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/obama-ad-goes-after-mccai_n_125896.html

And the McCain camp is busy too, here's another wah wah Palin is a woooman ad:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/mccains-new-ad-calls-obam_n_125897.html

Issues McCain, PLEASE.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/mccain-last-year-mayors-a_n_125944.html -- suddenly being gov 'for a short time' is good enough
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #508 on: September 12, 2008, 11:46:18 AM »
I don't think there is a job that can truly prepare someone to be president, because no one knows what that person is going to face when they get there.  I agree Palin is inexperienced, but I don't think Obama is anymore experienced/qualified.  But hey Bush had experience governing and look where that got us eh?

I'm starting to think McCain's pick of Palin was brilliant though because the far left are so fixed on her, McCain isn't having to debate the issues.  Maybe that was his plan all along?
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Palin has Bush motives MINUS experience. Thats even more terrifying.
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« Reply #510 on: September 12, 2008, 12:08:06 PM »
I don't really care so much about experience as I do about eloquence, intelligence, and honesty.  No politician (or person, for that matter) is going to score an A+ across all 3, but it's a rare thing to see that combination in a politician running for office.  Perhaps my misty-eyed adoration for Obama is blinding my judgment, but I really do feel he'll make things better.  More than just from politics and policy, but from inspiration. 

If he was simply a charismatic person that I could be fond of but didn't believe  he'd move the country in the right direction, he'd be Mike Huckabee. 

I don't think either guy would make as bad a president as the pundit's smears would have you believe for a couple of reasons.  1.  If the dems hold congress, I think they and McCain will work together, similar to the way Clinton worked with the republican congress.  2.  They are both running for their first term so neither can afford to fuck things up too bad or they could easily loose round two.  No matter which one wins, it's not gonna force me to move to Canada or anything.

Oh yeah and Huckabee, I liked his tax plan, it was something different, and if there is one thing we do need it's some fresh ideas.  Problem is he got smeared for his religion just like Romney, Obama, and now even Palin to an extent.
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I dont think people so adept at making bad lies over and over should be president.
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If McCain was running a different kind of campaign, I would agree with you that he could work across the aisle if he won, certainly more effectively than the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow we've got in the office now.  But with how he's choosing to conduct his campaign I think there'd be a big, big backlash against him to the point that it would actually make congressional dems grow a spine.  First time for everything, I know.
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I was watching the Charlie Rose show on DIRTY SOCIALIST PBS last night and he had Jonathan Alter, Bob Scheiffer and Paul Begala on.  They were actually talking about that very hypothetical- could McCain go and govern with what is almost certainly going to be an even larger Dem majority in both houses.  Alter had a really good take on it- he said that he thinks McCain figures he can do what he did in 2000 after he flamed out of the primary.  Go back and apologize for doing shit like saying that the confederate flag should still be flown in South Carolina, etc.  But Alter and Begala both think that a McCain victory would be so dirty and deceptive that it would leave a lot of Dems (and Alter included the media as well) feeling like they absolutely WOULD NOT work with a McCain administration, even on issues where they could find common ground.
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I'd believe McCain was for change if he was consistent in the message. Flopping around on the issues, ignoring them when these manuevers dont work, and then repeating lie after lie to glorify ones own record and tear down another's? Thats bullshit.
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Unfortunately for Obama not every democrate is happy with his non-attack. Kerry took too long to respond to this kind of crap and the dumbass voters let the bullshit seep in. So he's been getting A LOT of pressure to fire back.
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Yeah, the HE'S OLD angle is like 'what?'. Its like the nerdy kid on the playground telling his first insult to get back.

McCain: HEY OBAMA U FUK YER MOM!

OBama: OH yeah! Stupid....YOURE OLD!
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FA, I disagree.  Paul Begala (former Clinton campaign official from 92) brought up a good point when he said that a popular misconception from the 92 election was that Clinton had a good rapid response team.  Begala said, "No, we had a RAPID ATTACK TEAM.  The whole point of how we ran our campaign was to keep the other guy on the defensive and responding all the time, because then they couldn't set the narrative.  We called it 'Kind of hard to talk with my fist in your mouth, isn't it?'"

And I think that's some of what Obama's missing.  However, Begala also brought up a great point.  One of Obama's biggest sports heroes is Michael Jordan, who would turn it on in the 4th quarter to win.  Begala says that Obama thinks that's the way to do this- move when it's time to move and not before.  While I'm not too sure of the intelligence of playing rope a dope with a newly feisty McCain campaign, I do think that McCain can overextend himself and we've been seeing that.  If the press does their job, McCain can be painted as a liar and mudslinger.  I mean shit, if Al Gore got the liar label from the press in 2000, McCain deserves a Museum of Lying built in his honor.
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God, its just so depressing to see so much lying after being lied into a war last presidency.
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Obama's ground game's ultimate impact might be underestimated in all this talk about ads and so on.  This is simply anecdotal evidence, but I see his campaign outside the metro station near my work in Alexandria, VA pretty much every day for weeks now, and I've never seen a McCain campaigner, even though they're based two metro stops away.

Though I worry that this possible impact might be mitigated by all the voter-purging and driver's-license-requiring shenanigans going on.

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« Reply #520 on: September 12, 2008, 12:48:48 PM »
In this election, McCain is hardly what I'm worried about.  It's the members of his cabinet, the supreme court, and Palin that terrify me.  However, I don't believe McCain2000 is suddenly going to rise from the dead once he's done campaigning either.

This is a concern for me for either candidate.  Like what if Obama appoints William Ares to a position?  This is one mistake Bush made if you look at a lot of the corrupt members that were part of his administration (some still are) they were old buddies of his, looking out for the good ol boys the Texas Mafia if you will.  Not all that different from Carter's Georgia Mafia. 
While they often pretend they are interviewing multiple people for these positions, deep down inside they already have their mind made up who they are going to appoint.

I think a lot of promises are made when receiving donations/support.
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McCain lies, people pay attention. However, if Obama fires back as quickly as McCain lies, it becomes noise. Doesnt matter what message either is pushing really.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #522 on: September 12, 2008, 12:55:04 PM »
In this election, McCain is hardly what I'm worried about.  It's the members of his cabinet, the supreme court, and Palin that terrify me.  However, I don't believe McCain2000 is suddenly going to rise from the dead once he's done campaigning either.

This is a concern for me for either candidate.  Like what if Obama appoints William Ares to a position?  This is one mistake Bush made if you look at a lot of the corrupt members that were part of his administration (some still are) they were old buddies of his, looking out for the good ol boys the Texas Mafia if you will.  Not all that different from Carter's Georgia Mafia. 
While they often pretend they are interviewing multiple people for these positions, deep down inside they already have their mind made up who they are going to appoint.

I think a lot of promises are made when receiving donations/support.

If you seriously, seriously think that Obama is going to appoint William Ayers to a position in the federal govt... I really don't know what to say to you.  Really.  It would be like me worrying that McCain is going to appoint his new buddy James Dobson to a federal post.  It's absurd.

Now, there are realistic picks on both sides to have issues with.  I don't like some of Obama's Chicago University educated economist buddies.  And Phil Gramm as Secretary of the Treasury would have been one of the biggest fucking boondoggles EVER.  While it's good that he's eliminated himself from consideration by opening his big dumb mouth, McCain still has 130 something lobbyist scumfucks that he he supposedly hates and wants to destroy running his campaign.  So yeah.
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« Reply #523 on: September 12, 2008, 01:15:47 PM »
No man I don't think he is going appoint Ayers, it'd be political suicide at this point, that may have been a bad example.  What I'm saying is he has a history of bad judgement too as does McCain, so that concern should be a concern for both candidates. 

This...

Now, there are realistic picks on both sides to have issues with.  I don't like some of Obama's Chicago University educated economist buddies.  And Phil Gramm as Secretary of the Treasury would have been one of the biggest fucking boondoggles EVER.  While it's good that he's eliminated himself from consideration by opening his big dumb mouth, McCain still has 130 something lobbyist scumfucks that he he supposedly hates and wants to destroy running his campaign.  So yeah.
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« Reply #524 on: September 12, 2008, 01:35:09 PM »
Obama's ground game's ultimate impact might be underestimated in all this talk about ads and so on.  This is simply anecdotal evidence, but I see his campaign outside the metro station near my work in Alexandria, VA pretty much every day for weeks now, and I've never seen a McCain campaigner, even though they're based two metro stops away.

Though I worry that this possible impact might be mitigated by all the voter-purging and driver's-license-requiring shenanigans going on.

I saw more Ron Paul campaigners than anyone and obviously we all know how that turned out.

In all probability, McCain is going to win.  As stated earlier, people want so desperately to find reasons not to vote for Obama that it is almost depressing.  I will say that a lot of it has to do with race ultimately.  He won't play the race card but I will.  Obama is just too different from the middle class whites (the largest bloc of voters) to be elected.  It is just that the GOP is in such a bad position from Bush that Obama had a chance in the first place.

Obama's time was the summer.  The GOP had nothing.  They pretty much left themselves wide open for attack.  However, Obama seemed to just ignore them entirely.  I suppose he believed that he wanted to run a Kennedyesque campaign that ignored the GOP but as history shows, Kennedy barely won and thanks to the many payoffs from Joe Kennedy, Nixon probably would have won.  The Wright thing was done, Hillary bowed out, bittergate was months past, etc.  He didn't capitalize on the GOP inactivity.  Once the GOP wagons circled, Obama's lead dropped like a sack of bricks.  It was the same problem with the Kerry campaign.  The problem ultimately was that they were never aggressive enough.  Bill Clinton, although a moderate, knew how to attack the GOP jugular: the economy.  He made it, along with foreign policy, a Democrat issue and let the GOP try to scramble to find something else (ultimately, they stuck with family values)

What made the gains in 2006 for Congress were the DINOs, the center-right Jim Webbs.  Obama's mistake is that there was little effort to bring in the center-right, the same people that voted Democrat in 2006.  Failing to capture that was a tremendous mistake because they're all going to McCain and will ultimately cost him the election.

Saying that the polls are inaccurate reeks of Ron Paul style delusion.  They were convinced there was this huge pool of Paul supporters that never materialized.  Unsurprisingly, the poll numbers accurately reflected his primary performance.  I'm not going to pin Obama's future on the possibility that all these polls are wrong.  Its fantasy and little more.

Sarah Palin has been set up as unattackable (not a real word but you get the point).  The bar is so low for her that she can do no wrong.  Palin makes the right foreign policy choices because her son is enlisted.  Palin makes the right social issues because she has a pregnant daughter and a child with Down's.  Palin makes the right economic decisions because she is a governor.  It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong because every angle will eventually be defended by her family or her brief position.  The more the media attacks her, the better off she looks.  McCain has chinks in his armor where Palin is such a wild card that she can play off of that and reconstruct herself as a soccer mom/political genius.

At this point, I'd just make sure that the Democrats have a solid majority in Congress.  This will stop some of the more insane measures that McCain/Palin will try to push through.  There might be that possibility that McCain was just chest thumping and will be willing to work with Democrats more than he suggesting.
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neither of them can handle the russia situation well, gonna be bad
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« Reply #526 on: September 12, 2008, 01:53:02 PM »
Cold War 2 is inevitable.  Believe it.
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Last week somebody on MSNBC (Todd I think) went through the various elections back to the 70s to show how the country likes being in the center. I'm butchering how he said it, but it was amazing how just about every time the electorate corrects itself to the center.

His basic point was that maybe the DEMs peaked in the 2006 election by winning both the House and Senate. And as a result McCain will may be the beneficiary of that victory.

It was a great analysis. Maybe someone can find it on YouTube or something.

That said, I still think Obama will win because of some combination of CO/NM/NV.  

Also, I was wrong in my earlier post about Iowa having 3 EVs. They have seven. So the tie scenario can't happen how I stated.

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« Reply #528 on: September 12, 2008, 01:55:09 PM »
I saw more Ron Paul campaigners than anyone and obviously we all know how that turned out.
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« Reply #529 on: September 12, 2008, 01:55:54 PM »
 :lol  More like Ron Pwnd!

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« Reply #530 on: September 12, 2008, 02:04:44 PM »
neither of them can handle the russia situation well, gonna be bad
Agreed we are in no position as a nation really atm to deal with Russia.  Europe may cry.
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You know America is fucked when the ladies of the View (3 of em anyhow) are doing journalists' jobs in taking on McCain's horseshit.

Part 1 of 3
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Part 2 of 3
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Part 3 of 3
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In news that should surprise absolutely no one, Sean Hannity has been granted the second Palin interview.
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oh the lolz that will be
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The fact that these candidates, or their parties, are in a position that allows them to pick and choose who should interview them, that's disturbing enough.

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The could make it less obvious id think
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A McCain presidency wouldn't be that bad, Palin would be pushed back into a corner and McCain will hopefully revert to the center.
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« Reply #537 on: September 12, 2008, 05:40:18 PM »
A McCain presidency wouldn't be that bad, Palin would be pushed back into a corner and McCain will hopefully revert to the center.

McCain dies and it's Palin/Pelosi.
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Palin would be Bush 2.0. It wouldn't be *that* much worse since he's already screwed most of it up. I also expect her to be controlled more.
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A McCain presidency wouldn't be that bad, Palin would be pushed back into a corner and McCain will hopefully revert to the center.

It really would be.  This is a time when bold, new solutions are needed to serious problems, or America seriously risks becoming a second rate country.  Those solutions aren't coming out of John McCain.
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