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Olivia Wilde Homo

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McCain won't be Armageddon.  The GOP exists to serve big business interest and a lot of big businesses are getting uneasy at the shaky financial situation of the US.  I actually expect McCain to start rolling back some of the things Bush has done.  In fact, he doesn't have much choice but to.  National debts are running too high and banking interests are getting uneasy.  Same goes for the Saudis, an ally of the US.

Bush put McCain into such a corner that he can't really go full steam with the Bush Doctrine.  Bush has spent a lot of political capital, especially with Iran.  Finances are too strapped to go in there.  So they will have to revert to the dreaded diplomacy.

My beef is that Obama will probably begin rolling back far more of Bush's fuckups, where McCain will remove far fewer, probably just enough to ensure a little stability.
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What can you really do now though (economically)? Rolling back the Iraq War is one. Stopping unnecessary government spending i.e subsidies for lobbyists is second. 

The only thing different I see is Obama talking about reverting globalisation as well as eventually stopping the war outright.
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Fun fact- all federal earmarks account for .6% of the BUDGET DEFICIT.  That's just the DEFICIT we're talking about.  Of the entire budget it's such a low percentage they don't really bother to keep track of it.  So all the energy that's being poured into the issue of earmarks by McCain is kind of laughable.  It would be like a baseball manager basing his entire resume on the idea that bunting was so totally awesome.
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I didn't realise that. I guess it's a good issue to rally the GOP's troops though.
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I didn't realise that. I guess it's a good issue to rally the GOP's troops though.

I mean, don't get me wrong.  The government wastes plenty of money on really dumb shit, and to us saying "3 million was spent to study the mating habits of bears" sounds like a lot of money and is insane, but to the govt. it's not really.  Also, it creates the false idea that because the govt. spends money on this spurious shit that doesn't appear to help anyone, ALL govt. spending is spurious and won't help you.  Which is dumb.
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It's more the principle than the actual dollar amount. Didnt congress fund money to study cow farts at one time?

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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #546 on: September 12, 2008, 07:32:04 PM »
Earmarks don't actually add to the budget.  They just redirect funds that otherwise would have been doled out by bureaucrats, who we're meant to hate.  Anyway it's not like even the most ridiculous projects are as bad as the war.

The government spent hundreds of billions of dollars to kill four thousand American soldiers, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, displace ~5 million people from their home and empower Iran!

I fucking WISH that money had been spent analyzing animal semen.

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Don't forget that we enabled Iraq to bank about 80 billion in oil revenue while we bankrupted ourselves and future generations for whatever the fuck reason it is now that we went in there.
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Palin would be Bush 2.0. It wouldn't be *that* much worse since he's already screwed most of it up. I also expect her to be controlled more.

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Bush has done the main damage, really what else could she do? From what I've seen she a little bit more pragmatic (or politcally cunning) than democrats have given her credit for on domestic or social issues. She'd be controlled more because frankly I think even the GOP doesn't relish the thought of this woman with any real power finacially or militarily. Hopefully they've toned down from one administration to the next.
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Wha...?

She's even WORSE!
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Sarah Palin is the distilled essence of wingnut. She has it all. She is dishonest. She is a religious nut. She is incurious. She is anti-science. She is inexperienced. She abuses her authority. She hides behind executive privilege. She is a big spender. She works from the gut and places a greater value on instinct than knowledge.

And most dangerous of all, she is supremely self-confident to the point of not recognizing how ill-equipped she is to lead the country.

I didn't say that.  A former Republican did.  She is worse than Bush.
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IMO she's similar to Bush. If she's ever in power she might be worse, she might be better.

Nice fuck up Obama

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Bad on the democrat part McCain = PoW again. I guess most of the general population doesn't know about diability tools.
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she'll be leading the country further into retardism - intelligent design in more schools, less funding for science, destroying women's rights, being all anti-envioronment, etc.  she's a fucking idiot who can and will do major damage to this country if she gets into the white house.
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What can you really do now though (economically)? Rolling back the Iraq War is one. Stopping unnecessary government spending i.e subsidies for lobbyists is second. 

The only thing different I see is Obama talking about reverting globalisation as well as eventually stopping the war outright.

If you start trimming the Iraqi War effort, that is hundreds of billions alone.  Permanent bases aside, hundreds of billions are spent there annually.  I heard it was about $12 billion a month but it could very well be more (Nobody ever wants to give the straight up numbers and that is for a reason).

I think that McCain will begin the withdrawal.  The US has no financial flexibility anymore.  Iraq is now getting to be old hat.  Iran and Russia are the new big things.  What is worse for the hawks is that the US is cash strapped.  If the US didn't have that Iraq monkey on our back, we'd be rolling around in Tehran right now.

I also believe McCain will increase taxes.  With Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, that is trillions of dollars.  They can't just make more bonds or try to rack up more debt because that will push them well past the 100% GDP limit or very close to that, which will make investors extremely nervous, namely foreign investors who are already starting to move to the Euro anyway.  McCain knows this, even though he is an economic buffoon.  He no longer has the flexibility Bush had in just piling up debts.  He's going to have to get the money somewhere and the answer is with the taxpayers.  That or risk hyperinflation.

I think that in the name of reducing costs, McCain will start slashing any Democratic initiatives, unfortunately.  Education will get cut, scientific research will get cut, the EPA will be reduced to an OSHA like organization (little enforcement).  I could see the government selling environmental credits and selling them off and allowing businesses to trade.  I know they do that already but it isn't to the fullest extent and they can skim a little off the top, bringing in billions.

There is no guarantee that Obama wouldn't do this either though.  The US is in bad financial situations and will have to take some cuts on programs no matter where.  It is that Obama would probably be more likely to keep the education and research grants and more likely to take more money away from defense.  As for socialized medicine?  Not a chance.

Administration wise, I think McCain and Obama will operate in similar fashions.  Of course, another issue is possible SCOTUS and middle level cabinet positions.  McCain might be more likely to put in more religious fundamentalists in these positions than Obama.  Then again, Obama may put them in as an olive branch to the fundies.

Either way, I'm not too optimistic.  I hope I'm wrong about all this though.
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I also believe McCain will increase taxes.

That's a given - the Bush tax cuts automatically expire sometime in 2010.

Just about every tax proposal McCain has made can be thrown out the window. They're not happening with this Congress. And they probably shouldn't if that graph GAF likes to post is in any way true.

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argh, why does Palin say nuclear like bush. goddamnit youre supposed to be SUPER AWESOME ENERGY EXPERT
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #559 on: September 13, 2008, 03:45:05 AM »
I know the conventions were a billion years ago, but I skipped most of the GOP's and missed this:

“134 men lost their lives. John McCain’s life, was somehow spared. Perhaps, he had more to do.”  From the biographical video.  Later: “What fortune, that America will choose this leader, at precisely this time. The stars are aligned, change will come.”

This + Obama messiah accusations = head asplosion

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haha, I was listening to local talk radio and they were playing the Gibson interview, and hearing her actually say that since she could see russia from some places in alaska she had insight as to their intentions in Georgia. Then the Nuclear thing haha.
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That stuff really bothers me.  Do they think we're that dumb?  Are THEY that dumb?  Do they have any shame at all?

She's so willing to say ridiculous and untrue things and might wind up being president.  That's kind of scary.

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It just baffles me. All she has done is convince me that I could probably manage the VP role, which is just wrong. I've been trying to take a few days off of this crap. I can't believe anyone can listen to that interview and defend her as someone fit for the role :(
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here is ratings of obama interviews maybe posted ???
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/9/fox-news-o-reilly-stomps-msnbc-s-olbermann-with-obama-interview

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So much for home field advantage. Cable news outlets shouting from opposite ends of the political spectrum both aired sit-downs with Barack Obama on Monday night. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly aired the second part of a four-part interview (!) at 8pm against MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, which had a live interview with Obama on "Countdown."

Winner? O'Reilly, in a landslide. O'Reilly's "Factor" drew 4.6 million viewers for the hour, more than twice Olbermann's 1.9 million, according to Nielsen. It was a bit of a come-down for O'Reilly, though. The first part of his interview, which aired Thursday, drew 6.6 million viewers, his second-biggest audience ever.

The two interviews could have hardly followed different scripts. Excerpts: O'Reilly called the candidate "Robin Hood Obama" and called his tax plan a "socialist tenet." Olbermann asked Obama, "have you thought about getting angrier?"
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I have no idea whether her incompetence gets through to the audience from that interview, though.

This isn't a lulz americans dumz comment.  It's just that most people won't see the interview themselves, and most people don't know a lot about foreign policy.

If a candidate tries to bullshit on domestic issues it's harder.  You can't tell the American public that the economy is doing well because they live and work in it and they know otherwise.  But you can tell them that Iran and Al Qaeda are best buddies and have half the people believe it.  How many of us speak Farsi?  How many would be regularly exposed to these countries except when someone's trying to scare us?*

She really deserves the liar label that Gore got back in 2000.  The problem is that he got it because it was repeated ad nauseum, not because of actual lies.  It's a question of whether Obama's willing to push this and if the media will bite.



* The Bush doctrine deer-in-headlights moment and the "you can see Russia" bits are pretty obviously dumb though and I hope they get spread around.

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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #565 on: September 13, 2008, 05:01:05 AM »
She also argued that her energy experience is foreign policy experience cause our energy policy is the foundation of foreign policy. Whats worse is the talk radio guy is like, I could see that, if we didn't need foreign oil we'd be done with wars, which means he conveniently forgot 9/11. 9/11 never forget!

Then again what kind of experience is that, really, if she cant say nuclear correctly.
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here is ratings of obama interviews maybe posted ???
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/9/fox-news-o-reilly-stomps-msnbc-s-olbermann-with-obama-interview

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So much for home field advantage. Cable news outlets shouting from opposite ends of the political spectrum both aired sit-downs with Barack Obama on Monday night. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly aired the second part of a four-part interview (!) at 8pm against MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, which had a live interview with Obama on "Countdown."

Winner? O'Reilly, in a landslide. O'Reilly's "Factor" drew 4.6 million viewers for the hour, more than twice Olbermann's 1.9 million, according to Nielsen. It was a bit of a come-down for O'Reilly, though. The first part of his interview, which aired Thursday, drew 6.6 million viewers, his second-biggest audience ever.

The two interviews could have hardly followed different scripts. Excerpts: O'Reilly called the candidate "Robin Hood Obama" and called his tax plan a "socialist tenet." Olbermann asked Obama, "have you thought about getting angrier?"

Oreilly also spoke fairly favorably of Obama in an interview after his interview with Obama. Tho I detected a backhanded compliment in there.
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She really deserves the liar label that Gore got back in 2000.  The problem is that he got it because it was repeated ad nauseum, not because of actual lies.  It's a question of whether Obama's willing to push this and if the media will bite.

I think the media is more willing to bite than Obama is to push it.  Honestly, the media should be pissing all over McCain and Palin.  If it was ever time for someone to have a Howard Beale moment, that time is now.
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Also, there's a rumor going around now that the reason Track Palin enlisted was to avoid jail time after vandalizing forty school buses.  So much for patriotism!

Seriously, does anyone really WANT a family of backwoods, shitkicking Alaskan rednecks a heartbeat away from the Presidency?  Call me old fashioned, but I'd kind of like to have the people running the country not be total dumbasses.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #570 on: September 13, 2008, 10:40:02 AM »
Link?

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« Reply #571 on: September 13, 2008, 11:01:17 AM »
Also, there's a rumor going around now that the reason Track Palin enlisted was to avoid jail time after vandalizing forty school buses.

In haven't heard that. Is there a legitimate source?

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I have no idea whether her incompetence gets through to the audience from that interview, though.

Entertainment Tonight last night snipped together various pieces and she sounded great. So, if you're just the average person that only turns in here and there, then she's probably fine.

I still can't believe she didn't know the meaning of the Bush Doctrine on the day her son was deployed to Iraq.

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I have no idea whether her incompetence gets through to the audience from that interview, though.

Entertainment Tonight last night snipped together various pieces and she sounded great. So, if you're just the average person that only turns in here and there, then she's probably fine.

I still can't believe she didn't know the meaning of the Bush Doctrine on the day her son was deployed to Iraq.

Who cares?  You're in LOVE!
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #574 on: September 13, 2008, 11:26:03 AM »
Also, there's a rumor going around now that the reason Track Palin enlisted was to avoid jail time after vandalizing forty school buses.

In haven't heard that. Is there a legitimate source?

No, which is why I called it a rumor and didn't bother to put a link to a BS source.
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I have no idea whether her incompetence gets through to the audience from that interview, though.

Entertainment Tonight last night snipped together various pieces and she sounded great. So, if you're just the average person that only turns in here and there, then she's probably fine.

I still can't believe she didn't know the meaning of the Bush Doctrine on the day her son was deployed to Iraq.

Who cares?  You're in LOVE!

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Serious question, sd- would you vote for her for President, even knowing that she's in no way qualified for the job?  Is America really that eager for George W. II:  Electric Bugaloo?
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Russian editorial: "Palin – the Devil in disguise"

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So Sarah Palin, Mrs. Hockey Mom housewife-cum-small-town gossip merchant and cheap little guttersnipe, suppose you shut up and allowed real politicians and diplomats to do their work? Threatening Russia with a war is perhaps the most irresponsible thing anyone could do at this moment in time. Have you any idea what a nuclear holocaust is? Have you any notion of the power of Russia’s armed forces? Did you know that Russia has enough missiles to destroy any target anywhere on Earth in seconds?

And have you not forgotten, you pith-headed little bimbo from the back of beyond, that small detail about the slaughter of Russian citizens by Georgians, which started the whole debacle? So next time suppose you keep your mouth shut and while you’re at it, make sure the members of your family keep their legs shut too. Your country has enough failed mothers as it is.

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Head over heels...  :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
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The worse Palin performs in an interview, the better off she is politically.

Palin supporters believe the media is thoroughly left wing.  By flubbing the interviews, if Palin isn't providing what the librul media demands of her, she is doing something right according to her base.
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Dear lord that's so horrible.
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Nastiness aside, the writer has a point. This woman isn't qualified to make statements on international security, that much should be clear to anyone.

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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #582 on: September 13, 2008, 02:20:26 PM »
i have a bunch of hipster/folkie quasi-friends from Alaska and they are AWESOME, especially the women (even though she won't call me).  targeting Palin is cool and all, but Alaska is not acceptable collateral damage :maf
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Just a cursory peak on Google and it looks like the Track Palin rumors are false. Just more smearing. But, what else is new?

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Just a cursory peak on Google and it looks like the Track Palin rumors are false. Just more smearing. But, what else is new?

Oh don't give me that shit.  That smear comment goes both ways, pal.
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Two high ranking McCain campaign officials lobbied for companies in the Dept. of Interior scandal

"Vote for me!  I know how to change the culture of corruption, my campaign is immersed in it!"
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #586 on: September 13, 2008, 03:24:10 PM »
i have a bunch of hipster/folkie quasi-friends from Alaska and they are AWESOME, especially the women (even though she won't call me).  targeting Palin is cool and all, but Alaska is not acceptable collateral damage :maf

Selection bias.  You probably know ~30% of the cool people in Alaska.

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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #587 on: September 13, 2008, 03:26:45 PM »
everybody in Alaska is cool

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So Sarah Palin, Mrs. Hockey Mom housewife-cum-small-town gossip merchant and cheap little guttersnipe, suppose you shut up and allowed real politicians and diplomats to do their work? Threatening Russia with a war is perhaps the most irresponsible thing anyone could do at this moment in time. Have you any idea what a nuclear holocaust is? Have you any notion of the power of Russia’s armed forces? Did you know that Russia has enough missiles to destroy any target anywhere on Earth in seconds?

And have you not forgotten, you pith-headed little bimbo from the back of beyond, that small detail about the slaughter of Russian citizens by Georgians, which started the whole debacle? So next time suppose you keep your mouth shut and while you’re at it, make sure the members of your family keep their legs shut too. Your country has enough failed mothers as it is.
holy shiiiiiiiiit :rofl
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Activists at a conservative political forum snapped up boxes of waffle mix depicting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as a racial stereotype on its front and wearing Arab-like headdress on its top flap.

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Republican Party stalwarts Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney were among speakers at the forum, which officials said drew 2,100 activists from 44 states.

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Asked if he considered the pictures of Obama on the box to be racial stereotypes, Whitlock said: "We had some people mention that to us, but you think of Newman's Own or Emeril's — there are tons and tons of personality-branded food products on the market. So we've taken that model and, using political satire, have highlighted his policies, his position changes."

The socially conservative public policy groups American Values and Focus on the Family Action co-sponsored the summit.
that is amazing.  yet why am i not surprised
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After about 6+ months of using 538 as the definitive polling analysis source, GAF has decided they suddenly don't like their methodoly. Ah...good times.

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haha. Oh gaf.

THEY ARENT SAYIN WHAT WE LIKES 2 HERE! ABANDON SHIP!
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After about 6+ months of using 538 as the definitive polling analysis source, GAF has decided they suddenly don't like their methodoly. Ah...good times.

When Obama goes up again in a week or two right before the first debate they'll start slurpin' on Nate's cock again.
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Hey guys, is this the thread where we make wholesale accusations of hypocrisy against vaguely defined groups?

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Who does this remind you guys of?

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WASILLA, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin lives by the maxim that all politics is local, not to mention personal.

 So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency.

Ms. Havemeister was one of at least five schoolmates Ms. Palin hired, often at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages.

When Ms. Palin had to cut her first state budget, she avoided the legion of frustrated legislators and mayors. Instead, she huddled with her budget director and her husband, Todd, an oil field worker who is not a state employee, and vetoed millions of dollars of legislative projects.

And four months ago, a Wasilla blogger, Sherry Whitstine, who chronicles the governor’s career with an astringent eye, answered her phone to hear an assistant to the governor on the line, she said.

“You should be ashamed!” Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. “Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!”

I for one can't wait for Secretary of the Interior Todd Palin and all sorts of other Wasilla cronies being appointed to the federal govt.  Perhaps she can find someone more unqualified to run FEMA than a horse show judge. 
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You're doing a hell of a job Brownie Havemeistery.

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nvm!
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just because the balloons all pop, doesn't mean you're going to see any cooch
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