Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba baaaa

[The Fake Shemp]

New slogan.

JOHN McCAIN: WTF?

[cool breeze]

Such charming people at McCain-Palin rallies!

[youtube=425,350]KjxzmaXAg9E[/youtube]

wow

[MrAngryFace]

hahahah thats so awesome. John McCain WTF?!

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/palin-stumped-again-on-he_n_133449.html

[huckleberry]

Everytime I see one of these signs my blood boils. 


We need real leadership and these idiots want to elect the court jester.

[Mr. Gundam]

Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.

I'm heading out to the middle of nowhere and hanging out at a cabin with friends all weekend around 2pm PST. No radio, no TV, and our only electricity is from a gas powered generator. I sure hope it comes out before then!

You may be the EB'er best-positioned to get through this depression. have you considered just staying there and learning to hunt?

There are 14 adults, one baby and three dogs in our group. Hell, we might as well just start our little militia.

edit: Holy shit, we totally could start our own little society in the Central Washington wilderness. We have a nurse, an elementary school teacher, a psychologist, two construction managers, a geologist, a video game designer, a bioethicist, an economist, a graphic designer, and a bass guitarist.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

...

Everytime I see one of these signs my blood boils. 

We need real leadership and these idiots want to elect the court jester.

I saw that banner a couple places IRL and thought it was a joke.  I had no idea it was real  :'(

[Cormacaroni]

Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.

I'm heading out to the middle of nowhere and hanging out at a cabin with friends all weekend around 2pm PST. No radio, no TV, and our only electricity is from a gas powered generator. I sure hope it comes out before then!

You may be the EB'er best-positioned to get through this depression. have you considered just staying there and learning to hunt?

There are 14 adults, one baby and three dogs in our group. Hell, we might as well just start our little militia.

edit: Holy shit, we totally could start our own little society in the Central Washington wilderness. We have a nurse, an elementary school teacher, a psychologist, two construction managers, a geologist, a video game designer, a bioethicist, an economist, a graphic designer, and a bass guitarist.

wow, it's gonna be like Lost with less monsters!

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100903429.html?hpid=topnews

[Howard Alan Treesong]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/10/palin_preempts_state_report_cl.php

"Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing."

Everyone at The Onion should just quit now.

[MrAngryFace]

hahahaha, we'll just say what they say, but opposite

[demi]

Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.

I'm heading out to the middle of nowhere and hanging out at a cabin with friends all weekend around 2pm PST. No radio, no TV, and our only electricity is from a gas powered generator. I sure hope it comes out before then!

You may be the EB'er best-positioned to get through this depression. have you considered just staying there and learning to hunt?

There are 14 adults, one baby and three dogs in our group. Hell, we might as well just start our little militia.

edit: Holy shit, we totally could start our own little society in the Central Washington wilderness. We have a nurse, an elementary school teacher, a psychologist, two construction managers, a geologist, a video game designer, a bioethicist, an economist, a graphic designer, and a bass guitarist.

The school teacher always dies first, dude

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27108342#27108342

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I'm a producer, so I am best suited to be president of our new commune

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27108355#27108355

lol, guess the Palin was a bit more involved than previously reported. Hope this gets some play.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

http://clapboard.org/temp/SarahPalinReport.pdf

Repost?

If it is, sorry.  If not, some pretty interesting stuff.

My favorite part was:

Bristol Palin's Boyfriend Posts Violent Rhetoric on MySpace Page

Bristol Palin's boyfriend, the father of her unborn child, refers to himself as
proud to be a "fuckin' redneck" on his MySpace page (before his profile was
removed). He also said if anyone “messes” with him, he would "kick their fuckin'
ass." He uses the N-word freely, and under hobbies, says “I like to shoot shit" for
fun.

[MrAngryFace]

haha awesome

Palin Left Behind Almost $19 Million In Long-Term Debt, Compared to
None Before She Was Mayor.

Jesus, her spending record as Mayor is a nightmare

[Howard Alan Treesong]

lol I missed Biden taking off his jacket

SAY IT TO HIS FACE

I love how the Republicans are like, "if only be bring up Wright and Ayers again, we can win!"

not realizing the rest of the country got this shit out of their system like 4 months ago

[Tristam]

http://clapboard.org/temp/SarahPalinReport.pdf

Repost?

If it is, sorry.  If not, some pretty interesting stuff.

My favorite part was:

Bristol Palin's Boyfriend Posts Violent Rhetoric on MySpace Page

Bristol Palin's boyfriend, the father of her unborn child, refers to himself as
proud to be a "fuckin' redneck" on his MySpace page (before his profile was
removed). He also said if anyone “messes” with him, he would "kick their fuckin'
ass." He uses the N-word freely, and under hobbies, says “I like to shoot shit" for
fun.

 

I knew her educational record was piss-poor, but holy FUCK:

1978-1982: Wasilla High School, diploma, 2.2 GPA
1982: Hawaii Pacific College (dropped out)
1983: North Idaho Community College (dropped out)
1984-1985: University of Idaho (dropped out)
1985: Matanuska-Susitna Community College, AK (dropped out)
1986-1987: University of Idaho, BA Communications

Her GPA can be blamed on a gotcha educational curriculum.

[Fragamemnon]

Seeing the kind of hate rallies that are coming out of the McCain/Palin camp really give a authentic flair to my recent description of their campaign as some sort of political Götterdämmerung. The GOP's voter rolls should be confiscated and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid should hold open the House and Senate until their "Purge Here, Purge Now" plan passes so we can remove these people from our country for good.

[Fragamemnon]

Sarah Palin, high school scholar:

[Howard Alan Treesong]

wait, look at that

she got an 841 combined SAT?

[Fragamemnon]

wait, look at that

she got an 841 combined SAT?

I think this was back when it was out of 1600. Dubya, for comparison, got a 1200 or so. Yes folks she is JUST THAT DUMB.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

wait, look at that

she got an 841 combined SAT?

I think this was back when it was out of 1600. Dubya, for comparison, got a 1200 or so. Yes folks she is JUST THAT DUMB.

...back when it was out of 1600? did they change it? 1600 has been the magic number to me forever.

minimum to compete in NCAA is 820, and those people are dumb as ROCKS.

I'm actually kind of retroactively impressed by her debate performance!

[Van Cruncheon]

it's 2400 now

[Fragamemnon]

yep, it's a three part test out of 2400 now, 800 apiece.

[Van Cruncheon]

she is fuckall DUMB

[Howard Alan Treesong]

huh, I had heard about them discussing that but didn't know they went through with it

I suck at standardized test essays, I always get middling 80th percentile scores on em despite being a REALLY good writer

I think I don't write to the 30-second essay scanner

FUN WITH GOOGLE:
Average SAT Scores for 1981 Females
Verbal: 496
Math: 473

wait, that's "recentered" - let me try to find the actual numbers

Unrecentered:
Verbal: 424
Math: 466

[Van Cruncheon]

getting a 2.2 gpa in ANY high school is kinda impressive -- it takes dedication to be that functionally incapable

[Fragamemnon]

she got a b in biology! SHE MAKES BABBYS GOOD.

foriegn language, D, apparently this includes speaking with the news media

[Tristam]

wait, look at that

she got an 841 combined SAT?

I think this was back when it was out of 1600. Dubya, for comparison, got a 1200 or so. Yes folks she is JUST THAT DUMB.

...back when it was out of 1600? did they change it? 1600 has been the magic number to me forever.

minimum to compete in NCAA is 820, and those people are dumb as ROCKS.

I'm actually kind of retroactively impressed by her debate performance!

HOLY SHIT!   Her composite score is well below the 1981 national average (or any year's national average for that matter).

But yeah, they changed it a few years ago and added a writing section. I actually took the first administration of the new SAT. I scored a 2060 IIRC, but I took the ACT a few months later and scored a 31, which is comparatively better if you look at CollegeBoard's unofficial conversion chart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#SAT-ACT_score_comparisons).

EDIT: Whoops, wrong anchored link. Jesus it's late.

EDIT 2: Oh fuck, IQ score of 83. In fairness an IQ test merely measure your ability to take an IQ test, but that's spectacularly low.

[Fragamemnon]

You know, when this whole financial crisis unwinds I am wondering if the Democrat's insistence that a equity warrant/direct capitalization option in the bailout package might be the thing that saves us all from selling apples on street corners.

I expect Bush at this point to announce tomorrow morning (it's scheduled already) that Paulson is going to start partially nationalizing some of the biggest US banks. I am going to watch it live-it's probably the closest thing in my lifetime to seeing America's terrible brand of capitalism unconditionally surrender to superior European economic ideas, and having it come from Dubya makes it all the more awesome.

[Mandark]

The low SAT is more striking than the low GPA, which you could get by ignoring homework assignments.


Patel: Standardized essays means overworked sweatshop graders, who basically look for length, really obvious structure, length, a lack of spelling mistakes, and length.


Frag: Krugman's been hammering on the recapitalization thing since this began.  Big ups to Barney Frank if that's how it plays out.

[Van Cruncheon]

socialism

the retardicans are STILL trying to pin the blame on ACORN (aka the dirty greedy poors) and the CRA (aka the bleeding hearts that gave the dirty poors a chance), ignoring credit default swaps and fraudulent lending practices across the board altogether. oh, how they FEAR the indictment of the free market ethos that MUST come to pass

[Howard Alan Treesong]

EDIT 2: Oh fuck, IQ score of 83. In fairness an IQ test merely measure your ability to take an IQ test, but that's spectacularly low.

Where are you getting this?

socialism

first we'll take all their money 
then we'll take all their guns 
then we'll make them homo marry their next door neighbors

[Mandark]

EDIT 2: Oh fuck, IQ score of 83. In fairness an IQ test merely measure your ability to take an IQ test, but that's spectacularly low.

Where are you getting this?

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/769c3/sarah_palins_iq_and_sat_scores_lets_just_say_that/

Looks like it's fake.

[Van Cruncheon]

holy shit, when i was 11, i was almost 100 iq points smarter than sarah palin

shit, my bratty ass was twice the intellect of the retardicans' jesus-in-high-heels

me

edit: boo

[Howard Alan Treesong]

holy shit, when i was 11, i was almost 100 iq points smarter than sarah palin

shit, my bratty ass was twice the intellect of the retardican's jesus-in-high-heels

me

you were only smarter than fake Sarah Palin

[Mr. Gundam]

Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.

I'm heading out to the middle of nowhere and hanging out at a cabin with friends all weekend around 2pm PST. No radio, no TV, and our only electricity is from a gas powered generator. I sure hope it comes out before then!

You may be the EB'er best-positioned to get through this depression. have you considered just staying there and learning to hunt?

There are 14 adults, one baby and three dogs in our group. Hell, we might as well just start our little militia.

edit: Holy shit, we totally could start our own little society in the Central Washington wilderness. We have a nurse, an elementary school teacher, a psychologist, two construction managers, a geologist, a video game designer, a bioethicist, an economist, a graphic designer, and a bass guitarist.

The school teacher always dies first, dude

I'm the psychologist, not the teacher.

edit: A standard score IQ of 83 isn't mentally distinguished mentally-challenged or anything. The age-appropriate range where 50% of all people score is 85-115, so it's not that far out of that range. Still, that's ridiculously low for someone who could possibly run the country.

[Fragamemnon]

mandark: yeah, Paulson's plan as originally written assumed that the problem was illiqiudity, but in reality it was that plus fear of insolvency. Only the government can step in at this point and provide the kind of backing that will get banks looking past that fear. Simply buying assets doesn't cut it, and honestly never really did-I mean, look at the Notorious A.I.G, they through they needed "just" a $40 billion credit line and now they are running a $120 billion tab.

The partial nationalization has to happen, and there's a thought that it needs to probably happen over the weekend at the latest. Gordon Brown led the way yesterday and his action gives "free market" cover to justify it to most Americans...

...except the movement conservatives,which will go absolutely apoplectic tomorrow. Want to depress huge swaths of the GOP base right before an election? Have your Republican administration nationalize banks en masse four weeks before the elections.

[Mandark]

socialism

the retardicans are STILL trying to pin the blame on ACORN (aka the dirty greedy poors) and the CRA (aka the bleeding hearts that gave the dirty poors a chance), ignoring credit default swaps and fraudulent lending practices across the board altogether. oh, how they FEAR the indictment of the free market ethos that MUST come to pass

The centrist Georgetown neolibs are scrambling too.  Check this out from Sebastien Mallaby:

So blaming deregulation for the financial mess is misguided. But it is dangerous, too, because one of the big challenges for the next president will be to defend markets against the inevitable backlash that follows this crisis. Even before finance went haywire, the Doha trade negotiations had collapsed; wage stagnation for middle-class Americans had raised legitimate questions about whom the market system served; and the food-price spike had driven many emerging economies to give up on global agricultural markets as a source of food security. Coming on top of all these challenges, the financial turmoil is bound to intensify skepticism about markets. Framing the mess as the product of deregulation will make the backlash nastier.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/05/AR2008100501253.html

I like how he concedes that most Americans have valid gripes about the system, but rather than seeing it as a reason to rethink his own laissez faire dogma, he says the job of the president is to protect the market from the people (rather than vice versa).

The paragraph before he quotes the American Enterprise Institute blaming Fannie and Freddie, sort of admits they're full of shit, then does the old Andy Kindler "Even if he's lying it's 50% the truth!" bit.  Sheesh.

[Tristam]

Too bad the IQ 'scan' was fake.  

It leads me to doubt the PDF's info on her high school record and SAT scores, but a lot of the stuff there is public information -- e.g., she really was a four-time college dropout before she finally graduated with a degree in one of the easiest majors possible (communications).

[Van Cruncheon]

i am totally cribbing that "notorious a.i.g." line for tomorrow

[Van Cruncheon]

you were only smarter than fake Sarah Palin

me

[Fragamemnon]

hrm, outside of corn prices ( a problem we need to beat  longterm via technology for better ethanol, and short-term is a good deal for the American farmer ), wasn't most of the wild run up in raw food prices due to the rampant run-up in the commodities market? That bubble, which included oil, was just hedge funds looking for their next quick fix.

the harsh reality of the medium to long term situation is tht the global economy simply cannot support a chinese or indian middle class without a revolution in technology in energy and agriculture and massive government investment to accelerate discovery and adoption. This needs to be borne collectively by the G8 countries IMO.

[Fragamemnon]

fuck, I really should have been an economist instead of a techie. It's infinitely more interesting. I even had a scholarship in hand if I did decide to go into economics!  :'( :'( :'(

[Mandark]

This needs to be borne collectively by the G8 countries IMO.

Yep.  The advanced economies of the world all got the benefit of a development path which relied on cheap fossil fuels.  Besides which, they're best equipped to create efficient new technologies and the methods for mass producing them cheaply.

People who argue that China, India, etc. need to equally share the burden of transitioning to renewable energy are usually just making a reflexive argument against anything that would constrain or place blame on American industry and capitalism.

[TVC15]

I'm a producer, so I am best suited to be president of our new commune

But producers don't actually do anything, silly!

[Fresh Prince]

That NPR program is really quite good. I wish more people outside the internet took the time to listen to it so they don't look like uneducated morons spouting out bullshit.

[Fragamemnon]

This needs to be borne collectively by the G8 countries IMO.

Yep.  The advanced economies of the world all got the benefit of a development path which relied on cheap fossil fuels.  Besides which, they're best equipped to create efficient new technologies and the methods for mass producing them cheaply.

People who argue that China, India, etc. need to equally share the burden of transitioning to renewable energy are usually just making a reflexive argument against anything that would constrain or place blame on American industry and capitalism.

Thankfully, both countries have such massive infrastructure needs that provided we have the technology around, they'll be willing to implement it. Heck, they can probably build most of it themselves. And in a way, they sort of have to-the population will demand clean air and clean water and the newer tech is the only way they are going to get there.

[Mandark]

Thankfully, both countries have such massive infrastructure needs that provided we have the technology around, they'll be willing to implement it. Heck, they can probably build most of it themselves. And in a way, they sort of have to-the population will demand clean air and clean water and the newer tech is the only way they are going to get there.

Yes yes yes.

This isn't a matter of dragging China and India towards sustainable development policies, kicking and screaming.  It's a matter of creating the new technologies and economies of scale that make it possible for them to do what they'd want to anyway.

If they have the option of building affordable, sustainable industrial and urban infrastructure that won't cause massive public health or quality of life issues, they'll jump on it.  The R&D phase is the only part being subsidized by developed nations, and I figure they'd make it back via exports anyway.

[Flannel Boy]

Palin's SAT score, which is probably a fake, translates into an IQ score of 90.

[Mandark]

[youtube=425,350]VySnpLoaUrI[/youtube]

An aide to Minnesota Norm Coleman repeating the same two or three non-answers to the press for almost four minutes as they ask about possible ethics issues.  Pretty mesmerizing/amusing/depressing.

[Fragamemnon]

Coleman was already on the way down aboard the sinking titanic that is the Republican Party, but the suit stuff has gotten some play and is the kind of insider shit that people from the midwest despise. He's cooked, and the youtube when Fox News declares Senator-Elect Al Franken is going to be amaazing.

BTW, there was another poll out of KY with Mitch McConnell all tied up with Lunsford. If the national GOP outlook, which is almost completely dependent on the competency of John McCain's campaign, doesn't improve, then I am pretty sure that one of the three GOP-leaner senate races (MS, KY,GA) is going to break our way and give us 60. I hope it is Mitch because the GOP leadership vaccuum in the Senate would be enormous.

Speaking of leadership vaccuum, the GOP is really going to have to shake up the House leadership some if they lose the 20-odd seats that people are expecting them to lose. I bet they fall into the trap of blaming their losses on "not being conservative enough" and put folk like Shadegg (assuming he can beat Bob Lord, not at all certain) at the helm, making the tattered remnants of the moderate GOP caucus easy pickings for Obama to poach for votes for bipartisan legislation.

[Snuflupagulus]

Among the many fuck-ups of the DFL, I'll never forget the nastiness they portrayed towards Republicans at Wellstone's funeral.  Sure, Trent Lott was an asshole racist deserving of scorn, but time and place people...please.

Pretty much fucked Mondale against Coleman.  It will be particularly sweet for the DFL if they pick off Coleman.  I wonder if Coleman will decide to flip back to being a Democrat; might be able to afford his own suits and Caribbean vacations.

[Mandark]

The House GOP does have a recent history of leadership challenges from the hardline backbenchers.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them in disarray no matter which faction wins out.

More generally, the soul-searching from a crumbling GOP will entertain me to no end.  There will be a ton of discussion dedicated to answering the question "How do we get back on top?"  I predict it will break into two camps:

1) We betrayed our conservative principles, and need to rededicate ourselves to gutting the welfare state, something which in reality is so unpopular even Reagan didn't make a real dent.  Example.

2) We need to move forward by following this 10-point program of boutique issues which have no connecting thread, no grassroots support, and almost no relevance to the biggest issues the country is facing.  Example.

[Human Snorenado]

If we're seriously thinking that one of the KY, GA or MS Senate races is going to flip to the Dems, we might as well hope for two so we can still tell Lieberman to fuck off and take his chairmanships away.

Also, I now plan on primarily watching Faux News for election coverage on the 4th.  The tears will be delicious.  I hope Hannity breaks down on air and starts crying or something.

[Human Snorenado]

Only a crazy old woman could get away with saying stuff like this.

[youtube=425,350]TxL7MKsGoPo[/youtube]

[Tauntaun]

 

[huckleberry]

My wife just sent me that clip...awesome stuff.