That's about as much as you can expect against Joe himself, his core audience knows 1 guest doesnt matter as next time Joe's opinions would have flip flopped to match whomever is on. His core audience, of which I consider myself a part, does shit on him for having on people like Jack Dorsey, the cia guy etc and letting them just say whatever the fuck, he should be used to this stuff enough where he realises he's not actually having a conversation but being fed PR.