Other Forums Containment Thread

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-i-created-a-facebook-page-years-ago-forgot-about-it-and-now-is-kinda-famous.618933/

So I created a Facebook page about World War II years ago. I was updating it daily and forgot about it. Logged back in today and found out that it has more than 10k followers. Not super famous but what a surprise lol

The page is called World War II In Pictures

Weird flex but ok

[TacoWallace]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ezra-miller-they-them-crimes-ot-the-stories-go-here-and-nowhere-else.617877/page-3#post-91406154

Having a single thread for this makes sense. Pretty much makes it impossible for any misgendering to be an accident at that point.

That’s the important takeaway here 

Having a single name for your Patreon account makes sense too. Unfortunately this guy shows up in credits of youtube videos as <real first name> 'ZeoVGM' <real last name> so his resetera name gets remembered by as many people as possible.

[Lonewulfeus]

Think of the fatwa sex though

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Surprised this doesn’t have a Demi like tbh

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Its crazy that you can opt-in to the progressive stack just by decalring yourself non binary (and then fuck it up by not even getting your pronouns fucking right) and then get to act mortally offended by people talking about someone else who you don't even fucking know and have no idea if they even care that much.

IF you're 'non-binary' you're either, neither, or both. You're not being fucking misgendered in a way someone refusing to call ellen page, she, her is.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Its crazy that you can opt-in to the progressive stack just by decalring yourself non binary (and then fuck it up by not even getting your pronouns fucking right) and then get to act mortally offended by people talking about someone else who you don't even fucking know and have no idea if they even care that much.

IF you're 'non-binary' you're either, neither, or both. You're not being fucking misgendered in a way someone refusing to call ellen page, she, her is.

this is the post that will prevent me from office

[Joe Molotov]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-i-created-a-facebook-page-years-ago-forgot-about-it-and-now-is-kinda-famous.618933/

So I created a Facebook page about World War II years ago. I was updating it daily and forgot about it. Logged back in today and found out that it has more than 10k followers. Not super famous but what a surprise lol

The page is called World War II In Pictures

Weird flex but ok

Would recommend going through and checking for any Nazi dogwhistlers tbh

WWII is pretty sus, bro. You got any pictures of WWII German leaders on that page, by chance?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I can only assume bitch-dubs made it a containment thread because he realised how fucking stupid it is throwing bans around like candy just to appease people like astro and zerovagine who want to make it all about them, but is also too much of a bitch to tell high grossing informants to fuck off

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Miller came out as queer in 2012,[32] but avoids the use of the label "queer".[33] They had also said in 2018, "Queer just means no, I don't do that. I don't identify as a man. I don't identify as a woman. I barely identify as a human."[34] Miller uses they/them pronouns, which GQ wrote in 2020 was "a pointed refusal to be gendered".[33] They previously used all pronouns interchangeably[35][36] but, as of 2022, use they/them, it, or zir pronouns.

So we're allowed to call ezra 'it' as a preferrd pronoun, and it made this choice as a 'pointed' effort to reject societal norms. Like age of consent and personal boundaries.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I can guarantee if you refer to ezra as 'it' - ONE OF THEIR STATED PREFERRED PRONOUNS - on era, you're getting a perm for 'dehumanising'

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/salman-rushdie-attacked-at-a-lecture-in-new-york.618873/

Considering how they all reacted to Dave Chappelle almost getting stabbed the thread just feels two faced to me

Also waiting for Kyuuji to make her great appearance

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/10/07/salman-rushdie-makes-gender-reassignment-warning/

I can't help but feel rustynails is lurking that thread and seething at no opportunity (yet) to jump in and complain about islamophobia

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/website-to-track-sexual-assault-and-details-in-different-media.618975/

[Nintex]

Of course some Ree members know to find shit no normal person would consider curating for 5 seconds 

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/website-to-track-sexual-assault-and-details-in-different-media.618975/

(Image removed from quote.)

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pixivs-idea-of-adult-content-seems-kind-of-strange-post-is-sfw.618963/

I mean this the country that censors holding hands in cartoons

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-her-ass-is-part-of-her-character.275780/
 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/salman-rushdie-attacked-at-a-lecture-in-new-york.618873/page-3#post-91479108

User banned (3 months): islamophobia, framing religious fundamentalism as an exclusively Muslim problem

But like...

The Satanic Verses is a fictional book right?

This makes no sense to me. Which I guess is the point.

Incidents like this really shouldn't be shocking to anyone at this point. We had the Charlie Hebdo massacre a bunch of years back, Jyllandsposten, the Asia Bibi case, Samuel Paty. Those are the big ones. In Sweden we had a guy who lived under 24/7 police protection over some dumb drawing (he died in a car crash just recently).
I feel like the question of blasphemy and free speech has become one of the biggest points of contention between the west and the islamic world, certainly a very symbolically loaded one, and at least in Europe it's come to animate a lot of the far right discourse. The Salman Rushdie case is pretty much where this conflict started.

[Uncle]

 

[HaughtyFrank]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Muslims seem to be the only modern religious group who is killing people over simple speech...

[Nintex]

Them and Apple fans

[Polident Hive]

tbh I’m just learning how far reaching the fatwa is. Always thought it was was. But they’ve kept the bounty rolling since 1989, occasionally adding to the pot, and extending it past Rushdie.

The fatwa also applied to anyone involved in publishing the book. In 1991, two translators of The Satanic Verses were attacked: Its Japanese translator, the Islamic scholar Hitoshi Igarashi, was stabbed and killed at a university near Tokyo; the book’s Italian translator, Ettore Capriolo, was attacked and stabbed in his home in Milan, but survived. In 1993, a large mob targeting the Turkish translator, the leftist author Aziz Nesin, set fire to a hotel in Sivas, Turkey, killing 37 people (Nesin escaped). And later that year, a gunman in Oslo opened fire on the book’s Norwegian publisher, William Nygaard, who was shot three times in the back but survived.

[Potato]

whatever remnant of the BCT remains no longer has any power

most of the prominent rabble-rousers were banned over the years, and also they got fed up with having to police themselves so they mostly moved to a discord treehouse

ACAB

[Nintex]

tbh I’m just learning how far reaching the fatwa is. Always thought it was was. But they’ve kept the bounty rolling since 1989, occasionally adding to the pot, and extending it past Rushdie.

The fatwa also applied to anyone involved in publishing the book. In 1991, two translators of The Satanic Verses were attacked: Its Japanese translator, the Islamic scholar Hitoshi Igarashi, was stabbed and killed at a university near Tokyo; the book’s Italian translator, Ettore Capriolo, was attacked and stabbed in his home in Milan, but survived. In 1993, a large mob targeting the Turkish translator, the leftist author Aziz Nesin, set fire to a hotel in Sivas, Turkey, killing 37 people (Nesin escaped). And later that year, a gunman in Oslo opened fire on the book’s Norwegian publisher, William Nygaard, who was shot three times in the back but survived.

Like I said in the other thread, god willing someone's gonna get paid

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/salman-rushdie-attacked-at-a-lecture-in-new-york.618873/page-3#post-91479108

User banned (3 months): islamophobia, framing religious fundamentalism as an exclusively Muslim problem

But like...

The Satanic Verses is a fictional book right?

This makes no sense to me. Which I guess is the point.

Incidents like this really shouldn't be shocking to anyone at this point. We had the Charlie Hebdo massacre a bunch of years back, Jyllandsposten, the Asia Bibi case, Samuel Paty. Those are the big ones. In Sweden we had a guy who lived under 24/7 police protection over some dumb drawing (he died in a car crash just recently).
I feel like the question of blasphemy and free speech has become one of the biggest points of contention between the west and the islamic world, certainly a very symbolically loaded one, and at least in Europe it's come to animate a lot of the far right discourse. The Salman Rushdie case is pretty much where this conflict started.

Protecting religion is job #1 at Resetera

framing religious fundamentalism as an exclusively Muslim problem

Uh, the killing part?  It is.  Then again, words are violence so it all blends together these days.

[Uncle]

weirdly I was thinking about drawings of The Prophet earlier today before this happened

was wondering what would happen if you draw a nondescript middle eastern man with the caption I REFUSE TO CLARIFY THE INDIVIDUAL WHO THIS IS A DRAWING OF

are you still getting murdered

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[Potato]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Muslims seem to be the only modern religious group who is killing people over simple speech...

Hindus are doing a great job of being extremist at the moment

[Uncle]

wait what if you use a fucking AI art generator



do they have to murder the computer and the engineers who developed it

[Propagandhim]

wait what if you use a fucking AI art generator



do they have to murder the computer and the engineers who developed it

A competing AI must issue a Fat32wa  :O

[Polident Hive]

The Catholic Church was pretty upset at Marty Scorsese over The Last Temptation of Christ. Not trying paying out to murder him mad. Normal boycott shit. Marvel fans held a grudge longer than them. Jewish folk couldn’t even keep Mel down

[Uncle]

the first temptation of christ was to bite mary's nipple (he abstained)

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I can't help but feel rustynails is lurking that thread and seething at no opportunity (yet) to jump in and complain about islamophobia

Oh, my bad.

He's lurking that thread furiously mashing the report button.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

3 months is pretty severe for citing relevant examples relating to the topic at hand.

Its not like he was bringing up the fact Mohammed is canonically a paedophile apropos of nothing

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/forspoken-is-getting-memed-on.618105/page-3#post-91373436

User Banned (1 Month): Trolling; Inflammatory Generalization; History of the Same

If you don't like the game you're racist

[HaughtyFrank]

3 months is pretty severe for citing relevant examples relating to the topic at hand.

Its not like he was bringing up the fact Mohammed is canonically a paedophile apropos of nothing

I'm getting the impression they're dishing out a lot more 3 months Bans than before.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/forspoken-is-getting-memed-on.618105/page-3#post-91373436

User Banned (1 Month): Trolling; Inflammatory Generalization; History of the Same

If you don't like the game you're racist

Repeatedly and condescendingly calling people racist over a stupid ad is cool but don't you dare call it out.

Btw. I think it's hilarious they're complaining about how "no one does this with male characters". Meanwhile anytime the main character from Jedi fall order is posted it's filled with pages and pages of disgust

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghost-of-tsushimas-director-chad-stahelski-wants-to-make-the-film-with-an-all-japanese-cast-and-in-japanese-language.618966/#post-91482516

User Banned (2 weeks): Thread derailing; history of similar infractions

What a hilarious turd this IP is

What? Wrong thread?

I mean these laughable claims to authenticity amidst a culturally appropriative hodgepodge of a game made by Western creatives

Are you Japanese?

No? Are you?

Is this a relevant question in my response to my argument? No, it isn't. There are plenty of good pieces out there written both by people who are and aren't Japanese about the issues with Ghost of Tsushima. I'd encourage you to read them rather than just playing the 'outraged weeb' card.

I am as a diaspora and with family in Japan. I've read them as well, and have differing opinions given my conversations with friends & family back in Japan and with family that lives in the West. So kindly piss off with the "weeb outrage" energy card out the gate.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fbi-searched-trump%E2%80%99s-home-to-look-for-nuclear-documents-and-other-items-sources-say.618657/page-35#post-91484421

True story: I unwittingly mis-typed that third code number into Google and got "18 U.S. Code § 1591 - Sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud, or coercion". Just about had a heart attack.

[Straight Edge]

Reee is already working themselves into another "got him" ferver.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hogwarts-legacy-will-launch-on-february-10-2023-for-playstation-xbox-and-pc.618891/
Goddamn TERF Joanne, took down that user!
https://www.resetera.com/threads/hogwarts-legacy-will-launch-on-february-10-2023-for-playstation-xbox-and-pc.618891/#post-91475376

Play Strive instead

Linking to Bridget dlc but not Testament.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/disney-price-raising-to-10-99-ad-free-7-99-with-ads-from-december-2-hulu-ad-free-14-99-with-ads-7-99-from-oct-10.618195/
3 bucks more is too much for Ree

[HaughtyFrank]

The funny part is how ridiculously, comically historically inaccurate Tsushima is in basically every single conceivable way, but the production values are so high that people generally overlook that. What we now consider the archetypal "katana" didn't even exist yet at the time of the first invasion and the game is like "HERE, JIN, TAKE YOUR FAMILY'S ANCESTRAL KATANA AND ARMOR"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghost-of-tsushimas-director-chad-stahelski-wants-to-make-the-film-with-an-all-japanese-cast-and-in-japanese-language.618966/post-91484247

Oh, so now it's crucial that a game is historically accurate.

I thought historical accuracy is a white supremacist dog whistle

[Lonewulfeus]

The funny part is how ridiculously, comically historically inaccurate Tsushima is in basically every single conceivable way, but the production values are so high that people generally overlook that. What we now consider the archetypal "katana" didn't even exist yet at the time of the first invasion and the game is like "HERE, JIN, TAKE YOUR FAMILY'S ANCESTRAL KATANA AND ARMOR"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghost-of-tsushimas-director-chad-stahelski-wants-to-make-the-film-with-an-all-japanese-cast-and-in-japanese-language.618966/post-91484247

Oh, so now it's crucial that a game is historically accurate.

I thought historical accuracy is a white supremacist dog whistle

Asians are white-adjacent so it still works

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fox-news-breitbart-has-obtained-the-trump-raid-search-warrant-being-investigated-for-violating-the-espionage-act.618999/page-6#post-91489050

Anyone visited the old place to see the cope and mental gymnastics? I haven't yet, but I can only stay strong for so long

[BrokenVerses]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/salman-rushdie-attacked-at-a-lecture-in-new-york.618873/page-3#post-91479108

User banned (3 months): islamophobia, framing religious fundamentalism as an exclusively Muslim problem

But like...

The Satanic Verses is a fictional book right?

This makes no sense to me. Which I guess is the point.

Incidents like this really shouldn't be shocking to anyone at this point. We had the Charlie Hebdo massacre a bunch of years back, Jyllandsposten, the Asia Bibi case, Samuel Paty. Those are the big ones. In Sweden we had a guy who lived under 24/7 police protection over some dumb drawing (he died in a car crash just recently).
I feel like the question of blasphemy and free speech has become one of the biggest points of contention between the west and the islamic world, certainly a very symbolically loaded one, and at least in Europe it's come to animate a lot of the far right discourse. The Salman Rushdie case is pretty much where this conflict started.

That ban is not going over well at all lol.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/salman-rushdie-attacked-at-a-lecture-in-new-york.618873/page-4

[HaughtyFrank]

I’d love to read a further justification of that ban, not that I’m entitled to it or anything. All I read was fact, fact, fact, informed opinion, neutral observation and fact.

There’s definitely a mod here who lacks any semblance of objectivity and is prone to childish knee jerk reactions whenever something they don’t personally like has been posted.

They'll probably lock the thread because now it's "derailed" and say that the poster can appeal the ban (which will of course be rejected but without annoying public witnesses)

[Uncle]

That ban is not going over well at all lol.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/salman-rushdie-attacked-at-a-lecture-in-new-york.618873/page-4

holy shit

this page will be blank shortly

[Joe Molotov]

Lot of secret racists coming out of the woodwork in the thread. Ladies and gentlemen, we got ‘em!

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/salman-rushdie-attacked-at-a-lecture-in-new-york.618873/page-3#post-91479108

User banned (3 months): islamophobia, framing religious fundamentalism as an exclusively Muslim problem

But like...

The Satanic Verses is a fictional book right?

This makes no sense to me. Which I guess is the point.

Incidents like this really shouldn't be shocking to anyone at this point. We had the Charlie Hebdo massacre a bunch of years back, Jyllandsposten, the Asia Bibi case, Samuel Paty. Those are the big ones. In Sweden we had a guy who lived under 24/7 police protection over some dumb drawing (he died in a car crash just recently).
I feel like the question of blasphemy and free speech has become one of the biggest points of contention between the west and the islamic world, certainly a very symbolically loaded one, and at least in Europe it's come to animate a lot of the far right discourse. The Salman Rushdie case is pretty much where this conflict started.

That ban is not going over well at all lol.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/salman-rushdie-attacked-at-a-lecture-in-new-york.618873/page-4

Luckily, the essential diplomat Poodlestrike is there to de-escalate the issue.

Guys, let me point out that the user literally says, "I feel like the question of blasphemy and free speech has become one of the biggest points of contention between the west and the islamic world." We have this same issue IN the western world. It manifests itself as transphobia, homophobia, book bannings across America, anti-choice rhetoric, misogyny, and various other bigotries. A vast majority of it is religiously driven. Violence against LGBTQ+ people is religiously driven.

The poster was banned because they implied the religious fanaticism that results in violence was just a problem in Muslim countries. They said it was a point of contention between the West and the Islamic word. It very clearly isn't, we have the same issues to an extent, and the implication that it is exclusive to the Islamic world, is kinda bigoted.

If you'll notice, plenty of posters talked about religious fanaticism and didn't get banned. It's more than possible to have this discussion without white washing anything or implying that the problem is exclusive to one group of people.

Salman Rushdie did not deserve to be attacked and Iran was in the wrong for putting out a hit on the man just because he criticized their leader. What's happened to him after writing that book is unconscionable and indefensible, but that doesn't make bigotry ok. We can criticize the actions that led to this attack without being bigots. It's not a high bar to clear and pretty much everyone else in this thread has managed to clear it. We aren't asking a lot.

As expected, its helping to calm down the other posters tremendously.

literally grasping at straws.

Nowhere in Acetown's post is it framed as being 'exclusive to the Islamic world.' You're imagining something that isn't there.

Nothing about the quote you're focusing on implies anything else you said to be untrue.

How hard is it to admit that a mod fucked up? This is a dogshit reply.

Here’s a thought, maybe instead of dropping a 3 month ban over something you feel was implied, ask the user to clarify first. Holy shit.

Nowhere in the posters comment did they imply religious fanaticism was a solely Muslim problem.
The ban makes no sense at all.

I am really sorry, but this is absolutely insane. Both the initial ban and this awful response.

The logical outcome of the justification for the ban would be that in any discussion of the growing threat and reality of neofascist, Christian-inspired violence against marginalized groups in the United States would have to be accompanied by a disclaimer about Islamist-inspired violence elsewhere. Which is simply ludicrous.

I don’t see this whatsoever. I understand what you’re saying, but it is simply not true. He does not deserve to be banned.

He should not be banned. Not that it should matter but I am a Muslim and what he said I agree 100%. There are bad apples in my "community" and no one here said they are significant number of among my group. I am not shocked what someone thought Islam allowed him to do (stab a man in this case) which is 100% opposite of my understanding of my religion. Please unban him.

So you made an assumption and instead of asking the person in question to clarify themselves they immediately got banned. Not a very healthy or constructive way of doings things tbh.

Unless there's something else in their posting history to confirm otherwise, that feels like a huge assumption of bad faith.

The poster is discussing blasphemy in particular, the implication that he was referring to all religious violence is a major stretch here

Absolute nonsense. None of this was implied in that post.

Well done, Chief. Mission accomplished.

 

[HaughtyFrank]

Poodlestrikes response is a great insight into the mod process

Guys, let me point out that the user literally says, "I feel like the question of blasphemy and free speech has become one of the biggest points of contention between the west and the islamic world." We have this same issue IN the western world. It manifests itself as transphobia, homophobia, book bannings across America, anti-choice rhetoric, misogyny, and various other bigotries. A vast majority of it is religiously driven. Violence against LGBTQ+ people is religiously driven.

The poster was banned because they implied the religious fanaticism that results in violence was just a problem in Muslim countries. They said it was a point of contention between the West and the Islamic word. It very clearly isn't, we have the same issues to an extent, and the implication that it is exclusive to the Islamic world, is kinda bigoted.

If you'll notice, plenty of posters talked about religious fanaticism and didn't get banned. It's more than possible to have this discussion without white washing anything or implying that the problem is exclusive to one group of people.

Salman Rushdie did not deserve to be attacked and Iran was in the wrong for putting out a hit on the man just because he criticized their leader. What's happened to him after writing that book is unconscionable and indefensible, but that doesn't make bigotry ok. We can criticize the actions that led to this attack without being bigots. It's not a high bar to clear and pretty much everyone else in this thread has managed to clear it. We aren't asking a lot.

Here’s a thought, maybe instead of dropping a 3 month ban over something you feel was implied, ask the user to clarify first. Holy shit.

So you made an assumption and instead of asking the person in question to clarify themselves they immediately got banned. Not a very healthy or constructive way of doings things tbh.

I also like poodlestrike's condescending "Just don't be a bigot" as if it was just established that the banned poster is absolutely a bigot

[Uncle]

Guys, let me point out that the user literally says, "I feel like the question of blasphemy and free speech has become one of the biggest points of contention between the west and the islamic world." We have this same issue IN the western world. It manifests itself as transphobia, homophobia, book bannings across America, anti-choice rhetoric, misogyny, and various other bigotries. A vast majority of it is religiously driven. Violence against LGBTQ+ people is religiously driven.

The poster was banned because they implied the religious fanaticism that results in violence was just a problem in Muslim countries. They said it was a point of contention between the West and the Islamic word. It very clearly isn't, we have the same issues to an extent, and the implication that it is exclusive to the Islamic world, is kinda bigoted.

If you'll notice, plenty of posters talked about religious fanaticism and didn't get banned. It's more than possible to have this discussion without white washing anything or implying that the problem is exclusive to one group of people.

Salman Rushdie did not deserve to be attacked and Iran was in the wrong for putting out a hit on the man just because he criticized their leader. What's happened to him after writing that book is unconscionable and indefensible, but that doesn't make bigotry ok. We can criticize the actions that led to this attack without being bigots. It's not a high bar to clear and pretty much everyone else in this thread has managed to clear it. We aren't asking a lot.

mother fucker



if I say "the question of condiment usage is one of the biggest differences between hamburgers and hot dogs" I haven't made the claim that there is no contention about what condiments to use just among burgers

when you compare two things, YOU ARE COMPARING TWO THINGS, YOU'RE NOT EVEN IMPLYING ANYTHING ABOUT JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS UNLESS YOU EXPLICITLY SAY SO

 


and Poodleshit literally says there that it's not a point of contention, because it's a problem within one culture also, as if that's evidence of anything happening or not happening between two different cultures

[Propagandhim]

The logical outcome of the justification for the ban would be that in any discussion of the growing threat and reality of neofascist, Christian-inspired violence against marginalized groups in the United States would have to be accompanied by a disclaimer about Islamist-inspired violence elsewhere. Which is simply ludicrous.

Lol at thinking these hypocritical, double-standard-loving shitheads would ever use logic. 

[joeboy101]

Oh shit, gold mine territory. They should put that thread in the Hall of Fame now.

Even if you want to ban someone for making a clumsy association, 3 months is over the top. It's not evidence of someone being a shitheel if they acknowledge a specific strain of murderous fundamentalism. I decry white supremacist and Christian fundamentalist violence all the time, I'm not *simultaneously suggesting* that other extremist violence doesn't happen or isn't a problem when I do that. That's the kind of argument that right-wingers use all the time. It's tribal politics and we can and should be above that.

 

HECHT ALERT

Ok look.

What is the common thread between the examples Acetown listed:

Charlie Hebdo
Jyllandsposten
Asia Bibi case
Samuel Paty

If they want to appeal to discuss what they MEANT, then fine, we can talk about it.

Tbh what wasn’t taken into account was the “this shouldn’t be shocking” line, which is borderline victim blaming and/or inherent disregard for Islam.

Let’s get back on topic.

Always circle the wagons.

Always.

EDIT: And HOW is "this shouldn't be shocking" victim blaming? The VICTIM is Rushdie, NOT Islam.

[BisMarckie]

The victim is always the mod team

[HaughtyFrank]

Oh shit, gold mine territory. They should put that thread in the Hall of Fame now.

Even if you want to ban someone for making a clumsy association, 3 months is over the top. It's not evidence of someone being a shitheel if they acknowledge a specific strain of murderous fundamentalism. I decry white supremacist and Christian fundamentalist violence all the time, I'm not *simultaneously suggesting* that other extremist violence doesn't happen or isn't a problem when I do that. That's the kind of argument that right-wingers use all the time. It's tribal politics and we can and should be above that.

 

HECHT ALERT

Ok look.

What is the common thread between the examples Acetown listed:

Charlie Hebdo
Jyllandsposten
Asia Bibi case
Samuel Paty

If they want to appeal to discuss what they MEANT, then fine, we can talk about it.

Tbh what wasn’t taken into account was the “this shouldn’t be shocking” line, which is borderline victim blaming and/or inherent disregard for Islam.

Let’s get back on topic.

Always circle the wagons.

Always.

EDIT: And HOW is "this shouldn't be shocking" victim blaming? The VICTIM is Rushdie, NOT Islam.

What is the common thread? Blasphemy you absolute idiot 
Almost like that was the point of his post

[Propagandhim]

"Inherent disregard for Islam"

ITS A FUCKING RELIGION.  Nobody needs to have any regard for any religion, you fucking antediluvian psychopaths.

[joeboy101]

Oh, boy. Hecht's calm discourse is definitely doing the trick.

I mean you have more people disagreeing with you and the ban then the topic at hand. That says enough, The examples relate to the attack at hand. Just if another abortion clinic or doctor gets attacked I’m going to discuss the radicalism of far right Christianity and a “this shouldn’t be shocking” statement would absolutely fit in that same scenario

So just lock the topic if you don't want any one discussing this. He brought up a perfectly valid interpretation of this issue and nowhere implied it was all Muslims. Just take the overzealous ban L and free him.

Blasphemy... in a thread about someone trying to kill Salman fucking Rushdie. Again.

The common thread is the murder of innocent people by Islamic fundamentalists. It's a pattern of killing originating from a specific extremist, right-wing ideology that once again has reared its ugly head in this very case. Acknowledging that pattern is no more an indictment of Islam or Muslim people than acknowledging a pattern of white supremacist terrorism is an indictment of white people, or what

 

[samir]

Islam should be ridiculed at all times.

[HaughtyFrank]

"Pretty Islamophobic to only cite Islamic blasphemy murders while talking about an attempted blasphemy murder. Meanwhile the US discriminates transgender people and abolished Roe v Wade! Why aren't you talking about that, huh??"

[joeboy101]

Oh lord, man. There are some posters fed up with the bullshit it seems.

Wait wait wait. So is your argument that there is NO connection between these events?
Or is it that suggesting any connection between them is Islamaphobic?

What is even going on here.

I dont know whats worse. The 3 month unwarranted ban or the administrator response doubling down in one of the worst posts i have ever seen in this forum thats not basically insulting, bigot or racist.

Just said you guys made a mistake and unban the guy damn, is not that hard and you will be wiser.

The common thread you are trying to get people to find is the very same thing this entire thread is about, because that's what has made Salman Rushdie a target for years.

That ban is a total embarrassment

It's OK to hold your hands up and admit you made a mistake, character building even.

Please take a second to read what you've just written.

You clearly didn't take any time to consider it while typing.
 

 

I’m with every single other person replying in this thread. The poster made very valid points. Sorry, but the ban was ridiculous and the replies have been too.

WHAT.

This is a discussion board…maybe they could have “discussed what they meant” if they we’re banned because of a knee jerk reaction from a mod? Nothing in the poster’s comment was worth a ban. You’re just making assumptions.

This has become a ban searching for a justification. Creating contexts that Acetown never conveyed and then expecting them to address them in appeal is so unfair.

[HaughtyFrank]

This thread has been a real jump the shark moment. If mods and admin can just read whatever they want into a post then damn near any post can be misinterpreted into something ban worthy, at which point how can any sort of genuine conversation occur. 99 percent of people would not read that post in a negative way.

It's almost as if the mods aren't moderating...

*puts on sunglasses*

in good faith

 

[Uncle]

This thread has been a real jump the shark moment. If mods and admin can just read whatever they want into a post then damn near any post can be misinterpreted into something ban worthy, at which point how can any sort of genuine conversation occur. 99 percent of people would not read that post in a negative way.

man that would be terrible if that started happening at a site like resetera

can you imagine what it would be like?  if they just started misinterpreting people into bans whenever they wanted?

[joeboy101]

Sorry but not sorry, gotta keep going.

Staff response in this thread is disgraceful, do better.

If I pointed out a bunch of well known examples of Christian extremists being transphobic when another Christian extremist is transphobic, should I be banned? Should posts about fascist Christians in the US make sure to give a disclaimer about other religions and not all Christians are like this?

So when discussing terror attacks by extremist members of one religion we must now include examples from others? What?

how come people get shorter bans for racism or transphobia than that lol

This an embarrassing look for resetera and its admins. And no amount of “get back on topic” will make this go away. Fucking sickening.

Regarding the ban and the bullshit reasoning from the mods, do better - You keep trying to create reasons for it instead of maybe realizing oh we fucked up. our bad. Literally a thread about Salman Rushdie getting attacked, and blasphemy laws

It's extremely worrying that a 3 month ban was given out with out even a clarification asked on a form of communication meant for discussion.

There's only one solution. A calm hand to help moderate the situation.

NepNep, I choose you!